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Did a fashion website give a big boost to a Scientology infiltrator of NYC schools?

City Councilman Dan Halloran (center), in 2013 with Bernard and Meghan Fialkoff

City Councilman Dan Halloran (center), in 2013 with Bernard and Meghan Fialkoff

See also: What’s in that ‘world exclusive’ in the National Enquirer?

Back in March of 2013, we told you about a sneaky Scientology infiltration of New York City schools. In a place like New York, Scientology doesn’t do very well — residents here are on to L. Ron Hubbard and his wacky organization, and this city has never had the kind of Scientology presence you see in places like California and Florida.

So that means Scientology has to try harder, and play things a little more under the radar. But thanks to our tipsters, we caught on to the sneaky attempts to get L. Ron Hubbard into the local schools through the efforts of a wealthy Queens dentist and his energetic daughter.

Bayside Hills dentist Bernard Fialkoff and his daughter Meghan for years have given presentations in local schools on behalf of Scientology’s front groups the “Foundation for a Drug-Free World” and “Youth for Human Rights.” Lately, Meghan has been showing up at NYC schools with the last couple of Miss New Yorks. We’ve reached out to the newest Miss New York, Jillian Tapper, to find out if she even realizes that Meghan and her father are longtime Scientologists, that their front groups operate out of Scientology’s Times Square facility, and that the drug concepts in the booklet they hand out are dated and unscientific. We’ll let you know if she gets back to us.

 

Meghan Fialkoff, right, with the past two Miss New Yorks -- Amanda Mason (left, 2013) and Jillian Tapper (2014)

Meghan Fialkoff, right, with the past two Miss New Yorks — Amanda Mason (left, 2013) and Jillian Tapper (2014)

 
Here’s what else we know about Meghan Fialkoff. She’s 30 years old. She is an event planner with her own company called “Meghan Fialkoff Event Productions,” and this past May, MF Events put on an art sale at the Scientology org which featured Israeli artists…

 
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The reason all this came up again is that earlier today, a profile of an unnamed Scientologist showed up at the fashion website Refinery29. Penned by Kelsey Miller and apparently edited by Mikki Halpin, it was an attempt to portray Scientology from the point of view of “Elaine,” a “typical millennial.” And while the piece featured numerous links that showed Miller had done substantial research on the subject, the story was so generous to “Elaine” and what sounded like standard Scientology PR, it was met by an enraged mob in its comments section.

Those comments featured numerous former church members who were outraged to see a piece accept so uncritically “Elaine’s” point of view, including her off-handed dismissal of stories of abuse in Scientology that have been well documented.

Other commenters were over the top, accusing Miller of being a Scientologist herself (she’s not), and otherwise accusing her of advancing Scientology’s agenda. (We don’t think that’s true, but we do wonder about the way the piece was written and edited.)

While we found the reaction fascinating, we were more interested in what clues Miller had included to the identity of “Elaine.”

— She’s 30.

— She lives in midtown Manhattan.

— She has an event-planning business.

— In “early summer,” she hosted an art sale featuring Israeli artists.

— “She also directs the Northeast chapter of a Scientology-sponsored drug education program.”

Hm. Sounds familiar.

We left a voice mail and sent an e-mail to Meghan Fialkoff, asking for her thoughts on Miller’s piece. We doubt that she’ll get back to us. More importantly, we sent an email to Miller and Halpin asking them why they would try to give anonymity to a person like Meghan Fialkoff.

Shouldn’t readers have been given the information that Meghan Fialkoff has dedicated much of her adult life to surreptitiously delivering L. Ron Hubbard’s ideas and forwarding his organization’s aims before accepting her portrayal as an average church member?

Miller tells us near the end of her piece, “Elaine knows she doesn’t fit the Scientologist stereotype, which is why she is all the more eager to tell you that she is one. She’s made a conscious decision to be open with friends and colleagues about her beliefs.”

But is that really true? Meghan Fialkoff tirelessly tries to get L. Ron Hubbard and his debunked drug claims into New York City schools — to children — and downplays her foundation’s connections to the Church of Scientology.

And now, a popular fashion website has given her aims a big boost.

We’ll let you know if we hear from either Miller or Halpin.

Meanwhile, on Twitter, a fascinating back-and-forth emerged between Miller and Amelia McDonnell-Parry, who had worked as Janet Reitman’s research assistant on her 2011 book, Inside Scientology. At The Frisky, McDonnell-Parry wrote a devastating takedown of Miller’s piece.

[UPDATE: And now McDonnell-Parry has written another great article about the Refinery29 item.]

The two then took to Twitter. We’ve put their tweets in chronological order.

Amelia started things off…

 

 
Then Kelsey spoke up…

 
And Amelia answered…

 
And Kelsey responded…

 
And Amelia got the last word…

 
Well, that was fun.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 20, 2014 at 21:30

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  • BTs2Free

    She was duped by a Scilon fashionista.

    • flyonthewall

      They are the worst kind of fashionista. Makes Zoolander look like Mother Teresa. PRIME MINISTER OF MALAYSIA IS BAD!

  • Anandamide

    I saw this earlier today and knew it needed some patented Bunker fact-checking(TM). Also never expected to see CO$ stuff on Refinery29. Worlds collide.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    That’s our man TO, always on it with the facts and the truth. Bravo!

  • Snippy_X

    😀

  • only one word for you Kelsey Miller:

    PWND !

    • Baby

      For not so hip people like me.. PWND means Owned..

      The word pwn most likely came about as a common typo of the word own because the “p” and “o” keys are adjacent on a standard English keyboard.

      Edit: Wiki

      • beauty for ashes

        thanks! remember taking typing class….on a typewriter? ****sigh***

        • Baby

          hahahha Me too beauty…

      • “Pawned”…. and I would say “totally owned”… the ownage quotient is relative to the ongoing stupidity of the person in the pawnage situation…. the fact that she thought she was being clever on twitter after the fact, ergo compounding her ownage quotient, only adds to the lulz

      • Robert Eckert

        The typo “pwn” occurred in an early video game. I forget the details but it might even have been the same game that contained “All your base are belong to us”.

        • Baby

          hmmm I ran across that too when searching Robert..

    • Baby

      OMG I was hoping you wouldn’t use the C word Lush! Thank you

      • rom661

        Hey Baby (that sounds kind of funny….) Although I’ve been told it is a very old word, actually not that bad, etc., etc., I’m with you on the C word. Only used it a few times in my life and it was because I needed something truly vile. Still felt kind of bad about it afterward.

        • Baby

          Hahah Room.. As a woman you are forgiven for your past sins..Your penance is chocolate.. lots and lots of it.. So don’t feel bad all is forgotten.. ( I’m keeping an eye on you) haha

          • rom661

            OK, apparently I’m out of it. As a woman…. I’m not and for some reason I’ve always assumed you were male. Apologies if appropriate. I always have trouble telling from a head shot at “your” age.

            • Baby

              That is Baby Ronnie smoking his Kools hahaa.. You know if ya don’t smoke enough ya get Cancer.. So he started very, very young.. xo

              Wait..are you a woman too? Or did I not read that right.. I’m old and it’s late..

  • Qbird

    Someone somewhere is cursing up a storm.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    DOXED

    Beautiful, Tony.

  • Baby

    We are informed.. Tony does his research and we are on board.. So much info so little time..but we are watching

    • Baby

      refresh

  • Science Doc

    DOXED indeed. Game over claministas.

  • beauty for ashes

    i think meghan fialkoff had a daddy size hole in her heart and she needed to fill it with scientology!
    there is something very telling about her conversion. i wonder if that was the first time her father showed empathy for her, and in order to please him and keep receiving his attention, she joined. and the people pleaser that she is, she is making it okay for everyone that she is a scientologist. just a little freudian analysis 🙂

  • BTs2Free

    A $cientology infiltration plan mixed with a New York fashion agenda can only mean one thing… Frankenfurter! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MHNvOVl8Y

    • Spackle Motion

      Thanks for the ear worm. I used to love this movie.

  • Abstergo Industries

    Mr. Ortega moves swift as the wind, attacks like fire, and is still as a mountain.

    • Science Doc

      The Internet moves quickly grasshopper.

  • Observer

    More importantly, we sent an email to Miller and Halpin asking them why they would try to give anonymity to a person like Meghan Fialkoff.

    I’m looking forward to this response! I hope there is one, but I’m not entirely sure there will be.

  • Science Doc

    Miss New York, Miss Delaware, and Miss Clamato walk into a bar….

    • Abstergo Industries

      New York and Delaware are Clamato states (Clamato was invented in NY)

  • well, we’re waiting Kim…..

    pic (latest comment from the original article)

    • Kim O’Brien

      keep trying and it’s being edited …

      • Kim O’Brien

        saying it needs to be aproved …and then i edit a bot and it says the same thing . YOu can go grab it and try to paste it .. ..i don’t hide …i think that has been determined by now

    • Science Doc

      Good luck with that.

      • Kim O’Brien

        Congrats to the ex scientologists here ..losing their minds , jumping to conclusions , posting wrong photos , ( talking to you Bunker posters from Tony’s ) and generally looking like crazy assholes . The dimwit “Elaine” is overshadowed and comes out looking the normal and well adjusted one ( i can’t believe i just said that ) …fucking brilliant move ( i will post this at Tony’s site too ..because ..srsly ..you look like twats

        • Science Doc

          Huh?

        • Kim O’Brien

          this is what i posted at the fashion blog and Lush thought i was not going to put it here ..so ..here ya go lush .

          • BTs2Free

            So you’re just a troll?

            • Qbird

              No BTs – long time bunker friend and a person who is unafraid to speak her mind.

            • Spackle Motion

              Her sentence phrasing reads that Bunker posters are crazy assholes. Last I checked Kim was a Bunker poster….so….hmmm.

            • Qbird

              Yep, Deck.

            • Kim O’Brien

              I am right here …you can even go read where i posted it .and yes ..i can also be an asshole ..but i have never been a scientologist . When you want other NON scientologists to know about scientology ..it might be best not to lose your shit on a fashion blog …just sayin. The dimwit reporter and ” Elaine” looked like the normal ones ( i just threw up in my mouth a little but it’s true )

            • Spackle Motion

              Kim, the point of my post was to point out a possible unintended inference from your phrasing choice. It isn’t entirely clear if your intent was to call all Bunker posters crazy assholes, but that’s how it reads. If that was your intent, then so be it. I’ll be the first to admit that many of my posts appear crazed and coming from an asshole. It’s one of many reasons why my posting frequency is lower than previous years.

            • Kim O’Brien

              ya …that’s it . All that scientology training made you sharp as a tac

            • BTs2Free

              I guess you didn’t read the other comments over there where the people who thought those photos of her realized they weren’t her had to eat crow on that. But still, some of us knew that regardless, she was either a shill, or working with somebody close who was a Scientologist due to her parroting exact Cult PR lines. And the fact that that’s turning out to be the case makes me definitely as sharp as a tac babe.

            • Kim O’Brien

              could not check BEFORE they posted it ?? Like ..over reacting maybe ? Like not thinking maybe ? Like that maybe ?

            • Abstergo Industries

              Peace, reset, it’s all good here…

            • Eclipse-girl

              Kim is snarky and will say her piece.
              She can be harsh. Sometimes we need that.

              She is a member of the bunker

            • BTs2Free

              Change the name Kim to Dave. It’s what we all said, and just put up with it for years. They still do. Does it make it okay?

            • Abstergo Industries

              Kim’s been around a long time. She’s bunker family.

            • BTs2Free

              “Bunker Family” hmmmm… I see how it is.

            • Eclipse-girl

              She is a long time poster here.
              Similar to Espiando.

              This is Tony’s space, no one else’s

            • Abstergo Industries

              “Similar to Espiando.”

              Haha, I’m glad you said it, since I was just about to:)

            • Abstergo Industries

              She hates Scientology more than almost anybody. Sometimes, this makes her seem less sympathetic. But I appreciate her hatred, of what I hate.

            • Baby

              I did not say that she was Bunker family. My family wouldn’t disrespect another family member out in public.

            • BTs2Free

              I guess I’ve been away too long!

            • Abstergo Industries

              Welcome back!

            • drunk then?

            • Eclipse-girl

              I was going to walk away from this fight.

              I went through a 2 hr teleconference today UGH

              Kin does not have sympathy / empathy for those who are in or for many exes.
              I do not share those views

              Kim has pissed me off at times.
              When that happens, I ignore her.

          • congrats on nailing your mast with Kelsey (lulz, btw)

        • Baby

          I disagree Kim. I find what you said quite offensive.

          • Kim O’Brien

            you will get over it . It’s a fucking fashion blog ..of course it is a fluff pice …ppl posted photos of someone else ..concluded it was the same person .( oops ..here comes the internet ..NOT the same person ) .called her a liar and a scio ..just like a pack of scientology wolves – and her editor had to ask ppl to not attack the reporter .

            Job well done

            • Baby

              WHAT IS FLUFFY ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY?

              You are rude. As a critic I take every opportunity to post on a blog discussing Scn. The door was open and I went in. How else are people going to learn the truth.

            • Kim O’Brien

              if you expect a hard hitting piece about anything ..on a fashion blog ..including fashion …i just don’t know what to say to make you feel better . You want ppl to know the truth ? Don’t jump to non truths about the fashion blogger in the comments section. Negates your leverage

            • Baby

              What is with putting everyone in the same pot? You don’t have to make me feel better. I didn’t ask you to. So you would recommend what? Not saying anything and letting it go around the net and to Cob without comments? We don’t have that many opportunities to inform.

            • Baby

              Your post reflected poorly. It could have been written more respectful to those hard working people who have given their time and energy with helping bring down this cult.

              You were very disrespectful..Me? I could care less.. but you were wayyyy over the top.

            • this reply over there is relevant, as is it’s response… you’re the one who’s “jumping”, and making yourself look a bit stupid with it really….

            • Kim O’Brien

              ok ..i can own that . But maybe you could use some of your media lushness and get it right next time . Just in case

            • attempting some kind of “moderator” status makes you look plainly ridiculous; it achieves the opposite of what you think you’re achieving.

              but hell, I think you and Kelsey make a great couple; the “slack-hack doesn’t even realise she’s been used as-a-cult-shill” and the “foul-mouthed deranged harpie-troll defending her”… sort of a modern day ‘Cagney & Lacey’ on the edges of the internet

            • Baby

              Lush.. OMG.. Enough..!

              That’s it.. night all..

            • Chee Chalker

              Idk….the Cagney and Lacey bit was pretty funny!

            • due to disqus moderation issues here’s my reply as a pic

            • Vaquera

              I apologized to her hours ago about the photo comparisons.

            • Kim O’Brien

              all you needed to do was take deep breath and fucking check/confirm before you did it . Takes you less than 5 min’s . Instead …you went full board on her . Now that stuff is out there ..twitter feeds …yadda yadda …if that were me ..” sorry ” would not really cut it and any desire to believe anything an ex said about scientology ..would be tarnished by the fact that they smear ppl for no reason …or are just too lazy to make sure they are at least smearing the right person .

            • Baby

              KIM .. Just STFU .. really.. You are angry.. We get it… You need to take a chill pill..

              It was confirmed that it wasn’t her. Vaquera apologized..Do you want her nailed on a cross..? Good God Woman

            • Kim O’Brien

              I’m sure the reporters editors , and the reporter , and her friends , and her twitter and facebook followers ..thought that very same thing after ya’ll went crazy on the wrong person …huh …that’s strange . Life is kind of ironic huh ?

            • your version of “went crazy” is obviously a special place that only you seem to understand… all things considered the whole discourse was pretty civilised. Suggest you go over to a few other sites and defend Cosby… seems more your style

              signed

              “twat” from the Bunker

            • Baby

              I’m done here.. I don’t like to argue with those who put my fellow supporters down.

              ” Come on you guys. You have written and posted some pretty outrageous information here. Let’s get back on topic. ”

              Would have gotten the same response. Or came over here and written your diatribe.

            • your version of “went crazy” is obviously a special place that only you seem to understand… all things considered the whole discourse was pretty civilised. Suggest you go over to a few other sites and defend Cosby… seems more your style

              signed

              “tw*t” from the Bunker

            • Kim O’Brien

              you just jumped the shark with the Cosby thing …truly ..

            • Robert Eckert

              Well you’re jumping a hammerhead or two yourself tonight.

            • yeah, that’s right… within the last couple of hours another woman has come forward; you can’t even get your self-satisfied smirk working properly

            • Kim O’Brien

              you think i believe Cosby ? Take the balls off your head

            • I find it delightfully ironic that your feeble attempt to defend the reporter for supposed behaviour by bunker commentators has backfired completely; I’d quit now as you’re only digging yourself a bigger pit of shame… in case you missed my previous comment I’ve come up a great new name for you “harpie troll” (for that is what she is, ed); from:

              “slack-hack doesn’t even realise she’s been used as-a-cult-shill” and the “foul-mouthed deranged harpie-troll defending her”

            • Kim O’Brien

              i am not defending the reporter ..i am scolding the ppl who fucked up and attacked her cuz they thought she was someone else and posted it on the internet and on her twitter feed and made her editor ask them to stop attacking her . Once again ..take the balls off your head .

            • so which part of “slack-hack doesn’t even realise she’s been used as-a-cult-shill” and the “foul-mouthed deranged harpie-troll defending her”” is wrong again?

            • stillgrace2

              Hi media_lush. I missed all the “fun” today (at school) and I haven’t had a chance to read the comments over at Refinery29 yet. I did read the article before I left the house. I agreed with Tony’s assessment and went on my way.

              So, I’m not yet up-to-speed to understand the nuances of what happened today. I’m heading over there now to check out the comments. However, I’m going to go out on a limb here and ask you not to call Kim names, despite your legitimate, different viewpoints right now. I like Kim and her unique comments always make me think (in a good way).

              It’s impossible for all of us to “get along” all the time, and our differences just add to the unique mix here in the bunker. I would certainly miss your ‘eye for stories’ if you weren’t here. I know Kim doesn’t need me to defend her and name-calling won’t faze her at all, I’m asking because the name-calling of long-time bunkerites upsets ME. I guess it’s a selfish request. Thank you. Now, I’m going to check out the brou-ha-ha!

            • Abstergo Industries

              Don’t bother with the article at Refinery29. It’s crap. The rebuttal Tony linked to is great.

            • stillgrace2

              Thanks for the tip.

            • when you end a comment here with “i will post this at Tony’s site too ..because ..srsly ..you look like twats” you’re obviously spoiling for a fight… and I think “foul-mouthed deranged harpie-troll” perfectly sums up the posture that she took on.

              Nearly all the comments here have refuted her points yet she continued to eff this and eff that; you reap what you sew here.

              Rather than defend/help this reporters case I think she’s just aggravated it and alienated a lot of regulars here. It would have been very easy to make her point without resorting to the name calling but as I said… you reap what you sew.

              And trust me, I’m only replied at about 30% of my troll response level.

            • Kim O’Brien

              You were wrong to attack an innocent person – just . plain. wrong. And saying ” gee ..my bad ” after hours of attacking her …is wet. You walked up to her and screamed ” WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES ” over and over again and then went ..oh sorry …i thought you were someone else .

            • nope, that wasn’t me…. either way she went on to make a few smug tweets after the initial clamour so, as far as I’m concerned, she serves to be called out as a hack… and if you bother to read all the comments that was the aspect she was confronted in. And BTW ‘you’ telling ‘me’ I was wrong to attack an innocent person is laughable…. as you have made numerous comments about farting on peoples heads here already you can add a “doubly” in front of that. Whatever credibility you think or maybe others here think you have is losing huge traction.

              You’ve become a laughing stock!

            • Synthia Fagen

              You must be really, personally cringing in embarrassment to be so hot on this for so long. It’s OKAY. People admitted error and apologies were made. Get over it woman! 🙂

            • Baby

              Thank you Snythia..

            • DeElizabethan

              Some ppl have a half empty glass! And cannot see the beautiful wine in the half full one!

            • Synthia Fagen

              Good lord! LOL. Relax Kim, my god. It’s okay.

              You are forgetting that she was the one that wrote the unsubstantiated puff piece, totally used by the cult. She’s a big girl. She can handle it. If she is going to be a journalist she’ll need thick skin.

            • DeElizabethan

              There ya go Kim “desire to believe anything an ex said about scientology .. would be tarnished” One thing, unless they say they are an ex, people generally don’t know critics from ex’s. I believe it’s about half and half with more on the never-ins side who are extremely educated on the subject.
              By stating that quote makes me wonder if you believe anything an ex says? Just curious.

            • Martha Greene

              All ex-scientologists are on different roads to recovery. I tend to cut them some slack. And some never in’s sympathize and have grasped the horrors many faced. A lot of emotions get stirred up as we have witnessed.

            • Chee Chalker

              Kim, you keep bringing up the fact that it was a ‘fashion blog’. Does that means you see the blog as fluff and not to be.taken so seriously? However, if its only a fashion blog, why did the author write the article.in the first place? The comments were only responses to the content of the ‘fashion blog’. Does that mean the truth should be glossed over?

            • Kim O’Brien

              the truth was glossed over by the fact that the commenters from here ..ya know ..the nice ppl ..posted photos pf someone they thought was the reporter , called her a scientology schill , put it here and in the comments of the fashion blog ..on her twitter feed ..and were wrong . Posted wrong person , identified wrong person , hammered wrong person …instead of educating the right person . Then , the comments got so bad ..her editor had to make a post to please ask them to stop . And these are ones that are supposed to be OUT . As a never in ..with no dog in this fight …i thought it was gross …just like i find scientology gross ….

            • Chee Chalker

              True they made a mistake, but they owned it and apologized. You didn’t really answer my question though…. I asked what difference it made that the article was on a fashion blog (you made that point several times)……again, the comments are responses to a particular set of allegations (that the co$ is a peaceful organization, that David Miscavige is a leader of leaders, etc). Its not like the comments were made in response to an article about the new winter boots…… (Article: “This season’s boots are fun and sassy!”. Response: The co$ is evil!!!!”). The responses were appropriate and on topic. The fact the article was on a fashion blog is irrelevant.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i don’t expect deep profiles about a cult from them ..so i don’t get mad when i don’t get one from them .

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t expect any kind of article about a cult on a fashion blog, certainly not a promotional piece for a cult. That was very sneaky of them to try to get their propaganda out where they didn’t think it was going to be rebutted.

            • Baby

              YEP!

            • Chee Chalker

              Fair enough, but when there are misrepresentations of any kind, don’t you think a person has the right to set the record straight? I’m not talking about the poster who thought the author was someone else (that person apologized) I am talking about the vast majority of posters who were merely stating their opinion that the author was incorrect or not taking an even handed approach.
              You may not expect much from a fashion blog, but Scientology is controversial….the author knew it going into this story. It is not unreasonable for the reader to expect an even handed accounting. Personally, I never thought the author was a scibot because a scibot would NEVER mention the Hole……but the piece was pretty one sided. The Cosby analogy (the hypothetical interview with a person who had lunch with Cosby and said he was a great guy) was spot on……
              Did some posters react strongly? Yes, but that is to be expected with a topic of this nature. You can’t hide behind shoddy journalism just because you write for a fashion blog.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i totally agree with you ..the piece was crap . The comments calling her a lazy reporter are fair ..the other stuff …creepy and weird

            • Chee Chalker

              I also think for some people, myself included at times, when they see something suspicious or ‘off’ they immediately jump to the conclusion that the co$ is behind it because, often times, the co$ IS behind it. Nothing about this organization surprises me anymore…they will stoop to the lowest level to protect David Miscavige. They think they are protecting their religion, but truly all they are doing is allowing one man to continue a crime spree. But its important to keep in mind the real enemy. Sure, we all may overreact at times, but after what some of these ex’s have been through, I don’t blame them. I’m sure many of them suffer from a type of PTSD. Us ‘never ins” should try to keep that in mind….. I know its frustrating at times, I still can’t read some of the posters at Marty’s blog (Mike seems to get less weirdos at his blog)….so many of these people are still drinking the Kool aid!

            • DeElizabethan

              Absolutely Chee. Those that have experienced and seen it first hand know how real it is and watches for this sort of thing. Yes, maybe they jump too fast but as you say, they have good reason to question. We all want the cof$ to be gone and we all are working towards that hand in hand and yet in different ways. When we fight with or put down our friends, it makes OSA very happy.

            • Baby

              Absolutely THIS Chee..

            • Synthia Fagen

              I didn’t get mad about it either. I found the whole thing rather amusing and that doesn’t take away from the seriousness of the subject that is always present. So, you can get off the high horse about it, you aren’t the only one. Again, get over yourself.

            • DeElizabethan

              Bump^^^^^^

            • Synthia Fagen

              I don’t expect ANY profile about the cult from a fashion blog BUT, if
              they’re going to enter that arena, does that then make it okay for them to get it all wrong just because they run a fashion blog? That’s just illogical.

            • beauty for ashes

              it did seem strange to me too kim, not a good look for everybody. although when i went back, there are a few of them that kept their heads above the water- especially baby.(which is maybe why she got so offended.) i think it was a cumulative effect too. there’s very few specific quotes or people i would call out. although, i wish everyone accusing her of not having journalistic integrity, would have done the same. that’s all i think you’re saying really, would you agree? i don’t think its a fight we should be getting so defensive about. and i hate to see y’all fight!

            • Kim O’Brien

              yes ..i agree …that was what i was saying ..i get fired up . She was innocent and the comments toward here were creepy and it creeped me out that some of them were made by ppl here ..and i really do not think that Baby was one of them ..but in about an hour ..that comment section turned into a strange attack on her . She checked out ..and my guess is , she freaked out and got creeped out . And it was not because of ” Elaine “.

            • Synthia Fagen

              She’s not entirely “innocent”. Get that. She’s still responsible for the piece. No one called her fat, a whore, a loser, a smelly bitch, a c&*t, a (fill in the blank). Please. Hopefully she learned something today. She was initiated in the fire of Scientology reporting. If you improperly handle fire, you’re going to get burned. She;ll laugh as this someday (maybe even tomorrow). Hopefully you will too.

            • Robert Eckert

              “She was innocent” No, that she wasn’t.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Really? You think a reporter who posts on the internet should somehow be treated with kid gloves? Or is it because she’s a gi-irl? As in, “Watch what you say, there’s a LADY present?”

            • Baby

              Thank you beauty.. I am Acking you..tee hee I’m back I needed a break..Damn

            • Synthia Fagen

              SO WHAT.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Tarring the whole group with a broad brush pretty much negates your point. There was a wide variety of reactions over there, but to hear you tell it, it was just some mindless, seething mob.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Kim does not have a good deal of empathy to those who are in, or newly escaped.
            It is how she has always been.
            Yes, he comments have pissed me off at time.
            I do get over it.

            • Baby

              Oh E.. There was nothing for me to get over.. It was like talking to a Scientologist.. Attack Attack Attack.. Jeeze..

              Night love..I’ll check back later..

        • BTs2Free

          So you’re the friend that shouts to the whole room pointing out that it was your buddy who accidentally farted? Smooth.

          • Kim O’Brien

            nope . i am the one that will hold your ass down and fart in your face . You attacked her , called her a scio , and looked like a whack job . Feel free to use your real name like i do ..anytime ..you made a mistake attacking her and you know it ..but stick with it ….i admire your commitment . Made you a good scientologist i’m sure

            • Baby

              Kim I have lost all respect for you. You think it’s cool to just say whatever you want..no matter who it offends.. because you look all tuff and powerful.

              You have crossed the line. BTs2Free is a respected ex who has been posting information on blogs for years. He is to be honored NOT ridiculed.

            • Kim O’Brien

              I tend not to just “honor” a person that i have never met because someone tells me to . Keeps me out of cults and saves me a ton of $$ …

            • Baby

              Wait.. You were Kim a little bit ago.. Hmmm why did you change it to guest?

            • Kim O’Brien

              it’s disques …duh . i would never post under ” guest” on purpose .

      • you have the power…. can you send me some luck for tomorrows £34m Eurolotto please?

    • Kim O’Brien

      Here you go ..yup ..i posted that ..bring it

      • Sherbet

        Kim, I don’t always agree with you or the way you say it, but, God bless you, girl, you’ve got the guts to say what you think, and I have to admire that.

        • Baby

          Sherbet.. Why does it take guts to say what you think? Espi was banned for that.

          Really.. first time I’ve disagreed with you. Night..PS I feel like she totally disrespected the efforts we are all trying to make.

          • Sherbet

            Wait, Baby. Everyone who voiced their disagreement on the Miller article or here has a lot of guts. But, as I said above, we all know we have a lot of people to agree with us. Kim doesn’t care if anyone agrees or not. She says what she wants.

            • Baby

              PS..I love your PS.. absolutely agree.

              I am glad that you wrote the PS Sherbet.. thank you.. Now I understand where you were coming from. Yes..let’s not wash our dirty laundry out like that. It is extremely polarizing.

            • Sherbet

              And when I talk about guts vs. no guts, I’m really talking about myself, because I’ve got that people-pleasing gene, where I don’t like to rock the boat. I admire frankness. I don’t admire rudeness or crassness or foul language, but I support anyone’s right to say what they feel. Tony’s the only one who can pull the plug. The rest of us can hit Ignore if we have to. I admire those of you who go out blasting with both guns. I never was able to. Hugs, my friend.

            • Baby

              ((HUGS)) It’s all good sweetie..

            • Sherbet

              Good. You nearly drove me to smoking your hookah.

            • Baby

              haha.. I would share..xo

            • Sherbet

              I know you would! 😀

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              The Big Lebowski – Cuss Words: http://youtu.be/efZQhYu1E5s

            • Kim O’Brien

              i come from a family that never aired their dirty laundry in public ..and it killed them . All it did was make the laundry filthy …the secrets more and more fucked up …and the ppl just shells . So …i overcompensate 😉

            • DeElizabethan

              I think I understand Kim, but when you take a whole group of people and say their laundry is all dirty, not the same as naming names or saying just some of those and specifying. What you wrote there was just a put down of the ex scios, to outsiders who would read that. That’s a bit like what scientology does. Peace!

            • Sherbet

              You can take the girl out of Chelsea, but you can’t take Chelsea out of the girl… 😉

            • Kim O’Brien

              yup …proudly too 😉

          • BTs2Free

            This sums it up…

            • Kim O’Brien

              i support any effort that does not smear an innocent person just doing her job ( how ever lamely as a reporter ) Marty’s minions did it to Tony after he named LRH on a top 10 list .. and he is an actual reporter …..some ppl here did it to the fashion reporter. I think it was gross ..both times …and i was a bitch about it ..both times . And i will stand by it ..both times

          • DeElizabethan

            I don’t mind being put down, am used to it as an ex, since it was meant for “the ex scios here” and I’m not surprised, only disappointed.

            “totally disrespected the efforts we are all trying to make.” I agree with you Baby and you are not even an ex, altho you have the understanding and knowledge of a true critic.

            • Baby

              Thank you Rev.. You are up late mama.. I’m just getting ready to snuggle with my furry babies and hubby..might sweetie

        • Guest

          How lovable.

          • DeElizabethan

            Smile

        • DeElizabethan

      • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

        Vulgarity

    • Abstergo Industries

      I think maybe you’re the one jumping to conclusions

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxqY4wuTHw

      • Spackle Motion

        useful for every situation (refresh)

        • Abstergo Industries

          Now that you said that, I will take it under serious Zen-like consideration, because I think you have a good point.

    • Artoo45

      Ooooh. Burn on us.

    • Ah. The “Collapse” button.

      Bye bye

  • Baby

    Poor girl.. She had a squirt gun.. We had cannons.. What cha goin to do.. sigh

  • Science Doc

    I’ve always wanted to be called part of an enraged mob. My work here is done.

    • Abstergo Industries

      LOL!

    • Sherbet

      You take a pitchfork, and I’ll grab this axe.

      • Robert Eckert

        You’re forgetting the torches!

        • Sherbet

          That’s your job. Man the torches. It’s getting rowdy.

      • LocalSP

        Torches, you’ll need torches.

        • Sherbet

          Robert Eckert has the torches. You bring chains to tie up the beast, when we find one.

        • Robert Eckert

          You owe me a Coke.

        • Lynn Fountain Campbell

          Don’t forget the tar and feathers and rail to be run out of town on.

        • Abstergo Industries

          And barrels filled with oil.

        • Luke Martinelli

          Let’s do this thing!

        • Artoo45

          And caek. Mobcaek.

      • Peas and carrots! Peas and carrots!

    • “A riot is an ukly think”!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazOmi4yIbU

  • Sherbet

    From media_lush on the Refinery29 comments: “seriously, this is like getting one of your ‘journalists’ to do a piece on the current Cosby train wreck and they file a report of an interview of someone who had a nice lunch with him once.” I’ve got to say it, lush, that’s very perceptive of you. I like it. Pat yourself on the back.

  • BTs2Free

    Have you never read the comments, “in the real world” on “WOG” articles that are written from a one-sided issue? Just take the subject Pro Choice for example. I read articles from all over the web on many issues, and this was nothing new. In fact, that was a playground compared to the reactions on some political issues right now. You should read the comments sections on some of these immigration articles right now. Give us exes a break Kim.

  • Qbird

    I right here too Kim, I’m listening to what you’re saying.

  • BTs2Free

    Yep, she’s the same person who actually asked if there are any ex Scientologists who ever got a real job after leaving. Great question huh?

    • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

      Lame

  • Sherbet

    I’m getting out of here before Tony cranks up Bohemian Rhapsody and makes us play musical chairs. Playing nice will resume tomorrow.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      That could be fun, but as I bet most of the bunkerites are scrappy and not afraid to fight dirty who is going to patch us up afterwards?

  • BTs2Free

    Wow Kim, you should lurk more. Maybe you’d know who I am, but I guess you don’t get out of the bunker much do you?

    • Kim O’Brien

      According to you , for me to use my knowingness and stuff ..so i know who you are ( or care ) ..i need to either
      A.
      get out of the bunker more
      or B
      Lurk here more

      Scientology …awesome stuff

      • BTs2Free

        “(or care)” … Then why are you here? If not to shame ex scientologists for having been involved and wanting to expose the truth. Seems to me that you’re the one siding with the bully on the block. By the way, I haven’t been a Scientologist for 14 years and don’t believe in any of it anymore. I know the whole thing is a con, all the way back to Ron. So what’s with you? Why are you so angry?

    • Baby

      John thank you for all that you have done to bring the crimes of the cult to the forefront. I appreciate everything that you do and have done. I have read many words that you have written.

      You are a true warrior.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i love how you deleted the post where you told me i needed to lurk more and / or get out more cuz you are important and i am supposed to know who you are .

      • pronoia

        If you knew anything at all about Scientology criticism, you should damn well know who John Peeler is.

  • Qbird

    I do not think you or any of the ex-scientologists are crazy twats, not at all. Thems fightin’ words for sure, huh?!. Each person says what they have to say in their own unique way – we attempt to make our points; I listen to you as well BTs2Free.
    And yes, we carry on.

  • Marc Headley has just posted a zinger over there:

    I grew up in Scientology and spent 15 years working at their international headquarters before I escaped from there with the help of local police.

    I can tell you without a doubt that Scientology is a criminal organization that is dishonest with their employees, their members and most of all the general public. They will lie and encourage their members to lie in the case of the “greater good”. As long as scientology is taking money from someone somewhere, no matter how nefarious the means this money is obtained by, the moral compass of scientology points North.

    Imagine if you will that all members of Scientology were investors with Bernie Madoff. If Bernie Madoff told folks that when they gave him money they were not allowed to read about him on the internet, they were not allowed to associate themselves with anyone who had accused Bernie of ripping them off, If they did do anything to investigate or find out the truth about Madoff, they would lose all their money invested and never be able to talk to any other family members that were also investors.

    Now if you had been ripped off by Madoff and you KNEW that he was ripping more people off, you would try and warn anyone you knew that was telling others that Madoff was awesome. Well what would you expect Madoff to do? He is making millions and millions ripping people off and he will spend millions and millions to make it all look legit, to silence those who speak out, to get puff pieces done to show how awesome he is so that he can dupe others into giving him their money.

    This really is the case with Scientolgists, they are indoctrinated to distrust anyone not in scientology and to defend scientology at all costs or risk their future spiritual survival and all mankind’s future existence. This “future existence” is also directly tied to their bank account balance.

    Scientology is the Bernie Madoff of criminal cult businesses masquerading as a religion.

    Also, before Bernie Madoff broke the record for the biggest ponzi scheme in history, it was held by Reed Slatkin. Reed Slatkin was a popular Scientolgist that stole 593 million dollars from his investor clients. You want to know how ethical Scientologists are? A large amount of Reed’s clients were fellow Scientolgists! He not only stole from these people that he called friends, he donated a large portion of his booty to the scientology organization in order to continue to steal from them undetected. The scientology organization knew about his ponzi scheme and encouraged some members to get their money back before Slatkin was busted by the Feds.

    Speaking of records, do you know which organization perpetrated the largest criminal infiltration into the US government and its offices in history? None other than Scientology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O

    Let that sink in, Scientology criminally infiltrated the US government so that the government would not have any of the criminal information that had been gathered up on Scientology.

    There is one good thing about Scientolgists – they eventually become Ex-scientolgists and are able to get on with their lives. There are more ex-scientolgists than scientolgists.

    I realize this is a fashion blog and people may or may not take this article very serious.

    Since escaping the International scientology headquarters that I worked at for 100 hours per week, for 15 years at $45/week, I have not been able to speak to my mother, sister or brother that are still involved with scientology. That was almost 10 years ago. My mother is not really the grandmother of my three young boys – they do not even know she exists. My sister or brother have never seen their three nephews. My boys do not even know I have a sister or a brother. To me, Scientology is very serious.

    If telling what I know helps one person escape scientology’s clutches or prevents another person from getting involved, my horrible experience and most of the time wasted there will have been worth it.

    That is why I cannot just sit back and allow puff pieces like this give the impression that scientology is anything but a criminal organization that preys upon those who have good intentions and usually thicker wallets.

    Marc Headley

    (Marc – feel free to post it again here and I’ll edit mine to remove your comment so you get the upvotes if you want them)

    • Artoo45

      BAM!

    • stillgrace2

      Thanks, media_lush. Marc wrote an excellent comment. I just read Vistaril’s comment, too. Good stuff.

    • Charles Murdoch

      Go Marc!

    • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

      Great rebuttal.

    • Peter

      Thanks for posting this, Marc, and you, too, ML, for the repost here. Another trickle of “entheta” which may get to some of the ‘innies” but, more importantly, hopefully keep others from getting caught in the net.

    • Paul J Salerno

      BFG with his trademark Scientology neck snap 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh wow, that comment of Marc’s is one of the best I have ever read. Thank you for sharing it.

    • Cece

      Thank you for the re-post ML. I doubt if Marc cares about the up votes but considerate of you.
      Thank you Marc for the post and continuing to speak out with your heart-breaking story.

    • AintMizBahavin

      love it love it love it….Thank You media lush and Thank You Marc its because of ex cos members like you that i learned so much and was able to drag my God daughter out before she got in to deep again THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORIES AND EXPERIENCES

      • richelieu jr

        Wow, so great to hear a success story like yours! Congrats!

  • Abstergo Industries

    That’s crap

  • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

    We needed to known as a force to be reckoned with! The fringes of the internet are alive with the sound of discontent.

    • Jo

      O/T, your comment reminded me of one of my fav quotes from last year. “Now is winter of our discount tent.” I miss Sunny Sands.

      • stillgrace2

        I do, too, Jo.

  • Kim’s comment below condemning us, the R29 editor pleading for “a respectful conversation” and the Kelsey Miller fans accusing us of being a “lynch mob” confuses me.

    1. Kelsey Miller wanted attention so she picked a controversial topic and presented a highly controversial position on it. Then she didn’t back that tenuous position up with hard evidence or compelling writing. Her piece was weak. Why she is trying to garner sympathy for a situation she decided to set into motion is beyond me (see her Twitter feed).

    2. Mikki Halpin’s attempt to censor the disgust aimed at Miller’s journalistic abilities is also puzzling. What was her motivation? If it was true abuse they could have banned us all or deleted our comments. That would have been scandalous, but it’s also unethical to accuse us of attacking and abusing her in an attempt to shame us into silence.

    3. Just because it is a fashion blog (which makes the Scientology story an odd choice) doesn’t mean anything goes. Halpin’s statement that “At Refinery29 we tell young women’s stories, and this is the story of one young woman” doesn’t sway me to keep it light and “take a chill pill.” Young women have brains. They don’t deserve shoddy journalism or uncritical looks at complex issues anymore than anyone else. Also many young women have been victims of some of the most heinous crimes in the Scientology cult. Read about Lisa McPhereson’s negligent homicide, Laura Decrescenzo’s forced abortion, and the lives of Karen de la Carriere, Jenna Micavige Hill, Claire Headley, Maureen Bolstad, Tanya Neujahr, Astra Woodcraft and countless others.

    • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

      You ever “in”?

      • Nope. Born into a different cult.

        • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

          Really..? Sarcasticly?

          • (Non-sarcastically) Yes, really.

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              What one,if i may pry?

            • Baby

              sigh.. I didn’t understand a word, but poor baby girl.

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              I understand spanish. I speak Portuguese well.

            • Baby

              Wow.. I’m impressed..

              I’ve always said.. I speak 2 languages fluently

              English and Bitch

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              My wife and son speak Portuguese. It was, learn or be lost in their conversations.

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              We drift back and forth through the languages.

            • Baby

              That is so cool..really.. and that you drift back and forth is really fabulous. Your son is very lucky.

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              Yeah. My wife will tell a joke in Portuguese. And I will answer in English. Or they will be talking about some thing in English and I will say a phrase in Portuguese. Along the same lines.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              I speak English, Australian, Bitch and Major Bitch fluently too.

            • Me, age 7 (refresh)
              We had to sit through scary sermons for three hours every Sunday followed by marathon singing yourself into a trance and “dancing in the spirit” and “speaking in tongues” (none of which I ever did), plus two hours of Sunday school in the morning. Thursday preaching, Tuesday bible study, etc.
              Kids had to sit in the front pews so everyone could watch us. No talking, sleeping, fidgeting, reading or drawing. If you went to the bathroom and stayed in there too long ushers sent someone to go get you. I used to lock the stall and pull my feet up to have a few extra minutes of peace.
              I was known as a quiet well-behaved sinner with a black untouchable heart — the worst possible kind of person according to them.

            • Baby

              What a cutie pie.. awwwww… I can’t imagine in a million years.. Good God..Well we know we love you here! You still have the same grin..

              I miss your old picture avi.. you are so stinkin cute.. xo

            • Glad I found you guys to hang with. The people in my youth just couldn’t stand me for sticking to my logical instincts and not having any “faith”

            • Baby

              Oh so glad you are here..

              Well we all got Faith Nat.. FAITH THAT THIS F*CKIN CULT IS GOING DOOOOOOWN!

            • Lol. Goodnight crazy lovable little baby.
              This made me think of you http://www.emlii.com/fc3c18b9/21-Uncanny-Reasons-Why-Kids-are-Mini-versions-of-Drunk-Adults

            • Baby

              OMG hahahha You have NO idea Nat..Yes.. that is me to a T

              All of them!

            • Jo

              3 hours is a long time for any adult or a kid. I struggled being in church for only a hour. You have a kind ,beautiful and happy smile, I’m not surprised it drove them mad.

            • “a quiet well-behaved sinner with a black untouchable heart” sounds like an awesome line from a rock song, btw. So there is that 🙂

              I also think they were projecting, because you have the warmest most genuine smile ever!

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              That is not the face of a sinner. Looks like my niece in Brazil.

            • Stacy

              Jeez, Nat. My sympathies.

              This is why I have a hard time believing any religion is good.

              I hope you’re still able to connect with your family if that’s your desire.

            • Skallene

              I get restless if the preacher talks longer then 10 minutes, 15 minutes and my muscles start to twitch, 20 minutes and I leave. I can’t stand the pain, neither the physical pain nor the mental pain. I have not a clue how a child can stand 3 hours. If you can’t say what you need to say in 20 minutes, you probably can’t say it in 3 hours. College was a problem for me, 45 minutes and my attention span stopped.

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              My wife was born into the Charismatic Christian movemen in Brazil. Her father was not in, but her mother was gung ho. She was forced to fund raise on the street with grown ups watching from the side as the little kids proselytized.

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              Thank you for sharing. I have a friend in work that is Pentecostal. She answers the phone”Jesus is Lord, Hello?”.

            • We were supposed to answer it with “Paz de Cristo” and answer that with “Amen.” I never did.

            • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

              As a never in. I am a ex catholic. I have no god. I despise those that choose to enslave us to their dogma. I feel for all the true believers there are a few at the top that know FULL WELL that it is all a scam. Any religion is destructive. Call me a bigot if you will, but i am just a person. A small drop in a big bucket.

    • Sejanus

      I just wonder how a fashion blog could do a puff bit and NOT comment on the navy garb.
      Seems to me an obvious thing to have a go round over.

      • stillgrace2

        Your comment gave me a good laugh! What a missed opportunity … a glaring oversight for a true fashionista rag! heh heh heh

    • Stacy

      “Young women have brains. They don’t deserve shoddy journalism or uncritical looks at complex issues any more than anyone else.”

      Great comment. For this reason alone, puff-piece journalism sites need the heave-ho. Women journalists especially shouldn’t commit such a disservice to their female readers. And these young female readers need to speak up and indicate they won’t stand for it.

      • Yeah. I was actually quite impressed that the editor and readers at that female-centric site were committed to keeping it a bully-free zone (I myself have been shouted off, called fat on and threatened with rape on more blogs/message boards than I can count — mainly on political, atheist and gamer blogs) but the fact that they were being fed a load of crap and kinda saw calling someone out on that as rude or mean was disconcerting. I’m glad young women are finally on the net — I guess I just have to learn how to talk to them. We longtime female net users may have supressed some of our social skills in order to function online all these years.

        • Stacy

          Great points about the crap women get in male internet bastions. I’d actually forgotten what is was like to comment as a woman in those early days. Those kinds of ridiculous, bullying comments were what made me just stop much online social interaction for years and years, until I stumbled across the Bunker. Not so much because it was upsetting (though it was), but because it seemed pointless. More voices were needed. They exist now.

          Yes, what was going on at R29 was tough, but it wasn’t bullying. I’m as glad as you that young women are on the internet and that there are spaces just for them. But they do need to know how to handle difficult interactions. And obviously many of them don’t. Very sad.

  • Abstergo Industries

    Sleepy time, Kim

  • Artoo45

    Well, you certainly showed us, didn’t you? I’m sure I speak for all of us here when I offer you my deepest thanks for your insightful and piercing insight into our style of engagement. We do look like twats, don’t we? My goodness yes. Twats one and all. And crazy assholes. May I be so presumptuous as to add big dicks as well? That must be why we all get on so well here. Well, I’m sure we’ll all be headed off to think deeply on your shattering critique of our commentariat. Surely we’ll all be back in the morning, suitably shamed and humbled by your great mind. How can we ever repay you?

    • don’t forget her “Take the balls off your head” (I thought you preferred ‘throbbing testes’, ed)

    • Abstergo Industries

      Be nice. She won’t change for us. It’s like the Espiando situation. Take it or leave it.

      • Artoo45

        I still have my Snark Generator set on 11 from the R29 article. I was being nice.

      • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

        And look what happened there!

    • Kim O’Brien

      ppl here attacked an innocent person ..posted photos of her , called her a liar and a schill …said she was a scientologist..posted more pictures ..OF THE WRONG PERSON ..on her twitter feed …and when she said they were wrong …they called her a liar .Turns out ..they were wrong , she is not a liar , is not a scientologist ( you can imagine what else they called her ) and they were so quick to rush …they did not take 5 min’s to make sure they had the right person . Even when she sent them a link …to PROVE she was right …they called her liar again . So yeah …acted like assholes ( or scientologists …same diff )

      • Robert Eckert

        She was not a scientologist, but she was a liar and a shill, and certainly not an “innocent” person.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Sickening… working the NY Jewish angle. These people are reptiles.

    • 1.1

      Now now…there’s no need to insult reptiles.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Hey! I was a bitch too! I was very puffed-up over my
    little comment… which was a literary “masterpiece” of sorts.
    Hooray for me!

  • DeElizabethan

    What great reporting Tony and a nice surprise tonight. Thanks for all this and I’m sure more to come of this most interesting day. Just thrilled with the exposure.

  • Charles Murdoch

    Hella of a week! Tony, once again mad props for your true dedication to real research to obtain the indisputable truth and all my fellow exes and supports of us all to tell the truth. Now, off topic, but I’m going to take advantage of many “still ins” I know are lurking here because of this AMs Fluff piece:
    There are actual charities in need. As opposed to wasting your cash on unneeded shiny new blds, give to St. Jude’s Hospital, Red Cross, a rescue mission or even a toy drive. Help a vet in need. Please at least consider donating 10-20 percent of the donation that you will give to the church this holiday season to “up you status” and getting the commendation (I’ve received dozens of them) and instead of boosting your ego and “ethics protection” and just MAYBE give it to people who can actually use it.

    Despite my many years in the church I have volunteered countless hours to charity work and philanthropic endeavors since a young age. No pay and I loved it! I still do. Think about what is really “the greatest good…” Donating another 10 grand for a new “Ideal Org” that is completely unneeded, or donating even 10 percent of that to a children’s charity, feeding homeless, or donating gifts. There are women who need shelter who have been abused, etc….

    Please think about it. When I was a kid the Orgs were packed. They are desolate now…the Church of Scientology has enough in its war chest to buy 100 new bldgs, renderings, plans, construction and all. They don’t need your money.

    There are no jokes here. There’s a lot of damn good youth and families out here in the “real world” who could use your charity to eat, maybe get a toy, maybe help with a much needed operation or facility to teach the arts to help…

    My heart goes out to all this Holiday season who are in need. While working through my own decompression, confusion anger at Scientology and Hubbard, et al I am going to go back to my roots as ME in my post as much as I can. Thanks for reading this guys.

    • Baby

      Very nice Charles.. thank you for posting

      • Charles Murdoch

        Hi Baby! Welcome. Humbled…Easy to get caught up in the distraction of my own and others sorrows and rage. “All you need is love” I think is an appropriate quote in this immediate moment. Back to my fiery outrage later as I see friends still donating and attesting to new levels for their donations. NOONE benefits but Scn. It’s a crime

        • Baby

          It is a crime Charles. Love is powerful. Just spread it around and it comes back.

    • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

      Thank you. You sound like a great person. As a never in, I am trying to understand. But the more I read the more I begin to realize we are all just us. Real people, real opinions. We can let our opinions get the best of us and go beyond our boundaries sometimes. But as humans we make mistakes. What we learn and don’t learn from those mistakes shape our own world and therefore the world around us.

    • NOLAGirl

      *stands and applauds*

      Brava.

  • Lady Squash

    Great take down. Loved this comment: “If things don’t work out for Miller at Refinery 29, Freedom might just have a job for her.” Beautiful.

  • Baby

    sigh.. But she trashed us.. No excuse for the words that she wrote. None.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Oh brother. What comment thread were you reading?

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    So, how do you think Kelsey Miller likes her Regretburger after that article? Cold and raw or flame-broiled to coal with extra habanero? Super-sized with a side of crow?

    This illustrates the crux of Tony’s argument a few days ago in regards to Anonymous. Back in the day, people like Paulette Cooper, Richard Behar, and countless others up to John Sweeney in 2006 had the privilege of constantly watching their backs when they spoke up, along with all of their sources. These days, a staff writer for a local specialty publication (that at least 90% of us had never heard of until today) gets NAILED TO A CROSS for saying anything not explicitly condemnatory about our friends at Co$. Before I stopped reading the comments, several hundred in, I counted six examples of people taking Ms. Miller to task, correctly, for opening the door for a less informed reader of her article to consider heading down to NY Org to check it out. Think about that— It was stated, restated, seconded, and generally upheld—- that this writer has placed members of her readership in actual danger by her failure to apply appropriate caveats against this mind raping cult. While the most serious accusations of foul play against the hundreds (thousands?) of commenters were claims of bullying (huh) against the author, I saw not one comment to the effect that Scientology was being unfairly maligned. Clearly something in the dynamic has changed- even in the last few years- and I’m guessing there aren’t a lot of toes left on that foot for them to fight back. Game. Set. (some more time will go by). Then Match. Done deal.

    • Baby

      Get over and give me a big ol hug Hingle.. One of the best posts of the evening.. and with that..and a big smile on my face..I am going to bed..

      Thank you Thank you Thank you! xo baby

      • DeElizabethan

        Nite Baby. I have those dishes in the sink too. And work tomorrow, A great invigorating day what?
        Luv ya.

        • Baby

          Yawn.. Woke up too early..going back to bed! ha..

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        Hugs back. I dont comment every day, but I’m pretty much always reading. Your personal work in this matter is vital. You keep the morale up, pat the backs, and let the sunshine in. If I get one of those trophies (fingers crossed), I’ll chip off a piece just for you.

        • Baby

          Well Hingle.. I just woke up.. and read your nice post to me..
          That is possibly the nicest comment I have received on the Bunker. Thank you so much.

          (OH Yes just a tiny piece.. fingers crossed for you! ) Again thank you… ; D

    • DeElizabethan

      Excellent, especially that this article could open the door for more people to get enslaved, have ruined lives, bankruptcy and or lose family. It is necessary to find this drivel and correct it. We are up against an organization with billions of dollars to further it’s evil ways. Whatever we can do on the internet is extremely important, whenever we have the chance.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        Thanks for that. They’re dead already, just digging their fingers into the side of the grave DM dug up. The main idea evident here is that not only can they not proactively prevent dissent to their agenda in a public forum (or threaten it into submission), but their tactics to staunch the bleeding are now completely ineffective as well. Their only rational choice (which they probably will not identify), is to withdraw from public completely. This would run contrary to LRH and I’m not sure there’s enough leeway on this to bend his words.

        My last burning question is this: Is DM realistic enough to grasp the fact that the ship cannot be saved? Does he have a personal exit strategy to collect his bags of gold and prepare himself a comfortable and safe exile? I have no doubt he’d leave everyone else, even Lou, to burn. . . or might he really think he’s secure behind his walls in Hemet? Might be time to keep track of the tail numbers on any aircraft associated with Co$.

        • dagobarbz

          He’s a high school dropout living in a fantasy world. I think he’s gonna drive the ship right up on the rocks while postulating flotation.

    • Pete Griffiths

      Regretburger hahahahaha 🙂

    • Sid

      This is a great comment. You’re right about the possibility of someone going into the Org to check it out. Dangerous road to get pushed onto.

    • scottishinlondon

      excellent point, and pleasant to think on

    • arcinva

      First, I love your comment. But, completely off topic, I have to say this is the first time I’ve noticed your user name here. Love me some Key & Peele and the East West Bowl has got to be some of my favorite sketches. Makes me chuckle to just think about it. 🙂

  • Baby

    Mr. Ortega.. before I go to bed.

    Because of you..I ate cold pizza ( from last night) ..There are dishes in the sink.. Neglected dogs..husband and laundry. I have stayed in my robe all day and only left the bunker to pee and get diet coke.

    I have ignored phone calls and have been totally engrossed on the Bunker .. in the Bunker..off the Bunker (R29)..back to the bunker ALL DAY.

    Thank you!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Get some sleep, baby. G’night!

    • madame duran

      Sounds like an typical Saturday morning come earlyto me. Did/will you call in sick to work?

      • Baby

        I am going back to sleep! ha

    • Lorelei

      May I ask you to tell me your story? I’m curious about what was REALLY going on in Scientology but never knew who to go to to ask. I’m just a housewife with a great deal of time on my hands and I’ve taken to learning more about different religions in depth to educate myself.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Lorelei,
        I would suggest reading books and asking questions
        I am similar to you except I always knew $cientology was never something to “dabble in.”

        Good reads for a novice include
        Blown For Good by Marc Headley
        Beyond Belief by Jenna Miscavige Hill
        Going Clear by Lawrence Wright
        Inside Scientology by Janet Reitman
        The Bare Faced Messiah by Russell Miller – a bio of L Ron Hubbard

        I would not consider $cientolgoy a religion. It did obtain tax exempt status in 1993. The US Gov’t does not distinguish between what is or is not a religion.
        My personal take on scientology is that is a ponzi scheme, a nefarious criminal enterprise masquerading as a pseudo – scientific philosophy that claims to be a religion

  • Ten Aug

    off topic… (and not to derail this important piece at all)… but did i just hear that our president has allowed illegal immigrants to become legal ones on the bases of not wanting their families to be ripped apart?

    “Are we a nation that accepts the cruelty of ripping children from their
    parents’ arms, or are we a nation that values families and works
    together to keep them together?”

    Um… I dunno Obama… I suppose it depends if your family is involved in an american, government protected cult that rips children from their parents arms any chance they get.

    Sheesh!!!

  • Truthiwant

    A message for Kelsey Miller and everybody at R29.
    Here are some fashion tips for your autumn/winter catalogue…

  • Graham

    Tony: thanks (yet again) for doing some real journalism and telling the story that Kelsey could, and should, have told.

  • Pete Griffiths

    It’s fun to see clams and their shills gets pwned.

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  • Dear OSA,
    Since there were three posts yesterday, Tony probably won’t post anything today.
    Feel free to take a time off and blow for good.

    • Hi, Nomm! Welcome to the Bunker!

      • Jimmy3

        Dodo, I am scared. There was a drama bomba done exploded in this bunker. Do you know if it is safe yet?

        • Andrew Robertson

          And now the Weather News:

          The Bunker today experienced squally showers with lightening and frosty temperatures.

          Tomorrow is expected to be calm and settled with bunnies and little kittens playing happily in the scented meadows.

          Andrew

          • Elar Aitch

            Ahh, bunnies

            • Sejanus

              Bunnoes and kittehz playing together…perfect harmony of squee!

          • Opal Lumen

            Andrew – Let’s hope so.

        • Never. If it would be safe, none of us would be here.
          Although, it’s pretty safe.

        • Jack99

          Where are you safe?
          Where are you safe?
          Where are you safe?

          • Jack99

            Etc.

        • Elar Aitch

          I’m right behind you Jimmy

      • L. C. Spencer

        I kind of hooted when I read that.

  • Jack99

    Off topic: Is it just me, or does the young Hubbard look a bit like Chris Nolan? [refresh]

    • Jimmy3

      Christian Slater plus 20 lbs is young Hubbard.

      • Jack99

        He would have to stop with the botox already.

      • You guys just want Nolan and Slater to read these comments,
        get real mad and make/participate in a “bigot” movie.
        Well played.

        • Jack99

          Hubbard Begins

        • Jimmy3

          You just made a potentially hilarious idea pop into my head. A cartoonish illustration of a light bulb actually appeared above my head for a second.

      • Chee Chalker

        +120

    • Nolan made made way more money though.
      Probably because his movies are way better than Hubbard’s films.

      • Jack99

        Dianetics and Memento are both a headfuck.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Yeah, except Nolan’s eyes shine with the light of humanity.

    • ze moo

      The chin cleavage is all wrong.

  • EnthralledObserver

    So… are we getting a new story this evening/morning… or do I consider myself spoilt enough already and meet back here tomorrow?

    • I ask Tony this question every day. I think he filed several restraining orders by now.

      • EnthralledObserver

        He never answers me either… but hey, I have to wait until 10pm to find out otherwise. It’s worth testing the waters every now and again.

  • Tony Ortega

    Hey, 7 am crew: We put up three stories yesterday, so we’re going to let this latest one ride for a while longer.

    If you didn’t see our other bonus story yesterday about the National Enquirer, please give it a look…

    http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/20/whats-in-that-national-enquirer-world-exclusive-about-scientology/

    • Sejanus

      Thanks Tony…stellar work yesterday btw!

    • Jimmy3

      I appreciate it when slackers are sincere and honest about their love of slacking. You’re good people, Tony Ortega.

      • Elar Aitch

        Maybe in this case it’s a love of sleeping

        • Jimmy3

          I took and am also napping the while typing this comment. Edit this later

          • NOLAGirl

            <<— Watch the doggy, you're getting very relaxed and sleepy. Breathe…..

            You want to bring Stephanie a cherry danish and a cup of coffee…. 😀

            Hehehehe!!

            • Jimmy3

              That doggie convinced me that I want a cherry Danish too. And that Drew Brees’ kids are actually puppy kids. wtf happening

            • NOLAGirl

              Bahahahaha!!!! I’m crying laughing over here.

      • National Enquirer is the one slacking for realz.

        • Jimmy3

          I know. I was thinking, like, so what if your lady was born with a dong? You can still swim pretty damn fast with a dong. It slows me down sometimes, but Phelps is an Olympian. So she’s probably an Olympian, too, right? Or at least related

          • How is the whole napping going..

            • Jimmy3

              I’ve only read the excerpts here and glanced at the cover, but you’re right… Even that was time I could’ve spent napping.

            • Good to see you here again.

            • Jimmy3

              dong

    • Graham

      Thanks Tony. It’s noon here in a miserable, rainy UK. Time to do me some Red-Xing!

    • L. C. Spencer

      YOU GO SLEEP NOW. Or… do your usual fantastic regular job, or… do you sleep? I kinda don’t think you sleep.

      • He takes naps.

        • L. C. Spencer

          And continues typing while napping. Without suffering any loss in accuracy.

  • NOLAGirl

    It’s apparent that Kelsey can only take criticism when it concerns Elie Saab, Cavalli or Gucci being more appropriate for a formal occasion.

    Sweetie, if you want to blog about things like Scientology, you better toughen up. This isn’t for the faint of heart. As I said last night, I hope she does some real research in to why people are so upset.

    • Richard Grant

      “Sweetie, if you want to blog about things like Scientology, you better toughen up.”

      I want to gay-marry the keyboard this was typed on.

      • NOLAGirl

        Me and my keyboard would gay-marry you any day love. ; )

    • Sejanus

      She should stick to fashion as that is basically infotainment anyhow.

      Her …ugh…”work” was fairly laughable.

      • Maybe she could get a fashion interview with Kim Jong-un? “I am not a stereotypical dictator…”

        • NOLAGirl

          “He’s the kind of guy you stick with at a party because…well, if you’re not in his group, you might be in the group that gets shot at the after-party.”

  • Richard Grant

    It’s amazing how the “enraged mob” has flipped the script on Scientology.

    No long ago, editors were nervous about running pieces critical of Scientology out of (well-founded) fear of the church’s reaction.

    Today, I should imagine, editors must be thinking twice about running anything that may seem too sympathetic to Scientology, out of concern that they’ll get pilloried on Twitter, and that their comments section will be overrun by an angry (though articulate) mob.

    Good work, y’all!

  • Truthiwant

    Kelsey Miller will be desperately wanting this whole story to blow over.

    I was looking at some of her past stories. She wrote one on masturbation. Now there was a golden chance for her to go down to the NYC Org and interview a Scientologist!

    Anyway, her stats for replies to her other articles are sort of like this 4,6,3,5,21,0,42,6. She once got 151, but regarding yesterday’s Scientology article, never ever has she got as many as the 441 replies and growing for any other article. She should be happy!

    • flyonthewall

      No such thing as bad press. That’s what we say in showbiz. I’m in showbiz. I wear a shiny jacket

      • Baby

        Ha.. Tell that to Bill Cosby Fly.. ; )

  • Sid

    There is nothing ever truthful in anything Scientology uses to (try to) expand their influence.

    Scientology is a lie factory where the workers eat their own product.

    • NOLAGirl

      Scientology is a lie factory where the workers eat their own product.

      Paging MK. This is list material here. 🙂

      • Sid

        I almost called them employees, but since they don’t really get paid whether on staff or not, I opted for ‘workers’.

  • Elar Aitch

    A few Scientologists have appeared lately in the Refinery29 comments, thanking Miller for her bravery in writing this article. Unbelievable.

    • NOLAGirl

      Bravery? *snort*

    • Sejanus

      Hey they should get her to guest lecture at one of their shindigs….”How I was Abused By The Evil Internet and Woggy World.”…lol

      • Elar Aitch

        Well, I’ve heard Scientology might need a new spokeshole…

        • Just Dee

          lol oops, should have scrolled a little before I commented 🙂

    • Jack99

      Well, she risked her integrity. That’s some form of bravery, I suppose…

      • Just Dee

        I think her integrity is shot as a journalist. She might make a good spokesman for scientology though. They seem to have a very hard time filling that position. Not sure why…….

        • Observer

          I can’t seem to consider a contributor to a fashion website a journalist, no matter how hard I try.

          • Just Dee

            True, but what was the purpose of that article? Seriously… trying to wrap my mind on why a story (not an article) was put up in the first place?

            • Observer

              IMO there are three possibilities:

              1. The idea was suggested to Kelsey by a stealth Scientologist looking for a good PR opportunity (possibly Megan herself, whom the Cherch was only too happy to provide when KM contacted them), and she naïvely took the bait

              2. Kelsey and/or her editor wanted attention, so they chose this as a way of generating it

              3. It was exactly what Kelsey said it was – she eanted to do something on a young successful Scientologist, and once she was into it decided to soft pedal either because she had been thoroughly safepointed and/or was charmed by Megan’s “i’m just a nice normal person like everyone else” valence.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I think we know Bruce from his visits here.

    • Sid

      Brave? Interesting how the ‘disconnect’ works. As a Scientologist you kind of know that half the people who’ve heard of Scientology think it’s a crazy cult, and the other half think it’s a dangerous con. So it might be viewed as brave to write a pro-Scientology piece against that. But, but, but we’re expanding 47X and the world loves us.

  • Sejanus

    Even reading Kelseys “comebacks” to various tweets she reads like a stereotypical privileged person.
    Kinda out of step with real life.

    Just astonishing who can call themselves journalists now.
    Charles Kuralt must be rolling over.

    • Elar Aitch

      I think like most people her cognitive dissonance has kicked in. As no doubt a decent person she can’t deal with the fact that she has done something to deeply upset a large number of people. It is a natural reaction to start pushing that back, or to be flippant about the whole thing as a way to protect her self esteem. Hopefully over the coming days and weeks she will be able to process the hurt and learn from this.

    • Observer

      The Twitter exchange shows she’s no intellectual match for Amelia!

  • flyonthewall

    oh poo, I was hoping Tony had got in touch with “Jimmy” who posted in the comments at R29. Apparently he is ex -SO and related to Meghan aka “elaine” and was effected by disconnection. That was an exciting comment. Hope we hear more of his side of the story

    • Jimmy3

      I sent Tony a few emails just in case Jimmy #1 doesn’t respond. We’ll meet our quota.

      • flyonthewall

        I haven’t run into my doppleganger yet. Consider yourself fortunate

        • Jimmy3

          … I’m kinda bummed about breaking this to you, but many of your doppelgängers were smashed by rolled up newspapers. Ironically, some of them were killed with their own 4-5 star horoscope prediction.

          • flyonthewall

            That is…disheartening…excuse me

            • Jimmy3

              That’s one way of putting it, I guess.

    • L. C. Spencer

      I can no longer see the replies to Jimmy’s comment (Tony’s, mine and one other). Am puzzled as to whether it’s “just Disqus” or if they were deleted, and if so, why those were singled out for deletion.

      • flyonthewall

        prob just Discus being banky. Either that or the psychs

  • Elar Aitch
  • Draco

    “Elaine knows she doesn’t fit the Scientologist stereotype” – now that’s a strange thing to say. What does she mean by that? That the Stereotypical Scientologist is somehow defective? That she is so much better than they are, so she goes out of her way to tell people she is a Scilon, presumably to give them a better impression of scn? Really weird statement – if I were a still-in, I would be feeling a tad miffed about that!

  • Mike Leopold

    The Fialkoff’s were enlisted by OSA to inoculate Scientology against accusations of anti-Semitism, since the cult is now inseparably joined with Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam. Meghan Fialkoff’s each and every step has been orchestrated by Scientology’s Intelligence apparatus, and it is wonderful to see it publicly exposed for all to see.

    The truth is that Jewish Organizations and congregations have stood in the forefront of warning the public about the dangers of Scientology for many years, and will continue to do so.

    • Juicer77

      That would make an interesting article for the Bunker – if it hasn’t been covered already? (Longtime readers please let me know).

    • Observer
      • Mike Leopold

        You are absolutely correct. This shameful example of Cruise purchasing this otherwise wholly undeserved honor, along with the sub-text of his speech, which equated criticism of (his) religion with bigotry and intolerance dishonored the true message and courage of Simon Wiesenthal: To oppose evil, and always side with truth and justice.
        In the wake of the outcry that followed this debacle, one would hope the SWC learned a valuable lesson about the corruptive nature of Scientology.

  • Tony Ortega

    I’m still seeing people (at other forums) accusing Kelsey Miller of either taking money from Scientology to do this piece or some other nonsense. Such accusations really don’t do any favors to the accuser.

    It’s pretty obvious what went on here — Miller and her editor, Halpin, work for a sad excuse for a website that panders to a particular audience — women in their 20s and early 30s — and they look for stories that will feature a young woman as a protagonist, and in a positive “empowering” light. That’s the site’s business model, and it’s probably not one that Miller or Halpin had much hand in shaping. They just work there. With that aim in mind, they set out to find a young female Scientologist who fit that bill. (And we’re really looking forward to Miller’s follow-up profiling a 28-year old Syrian rebel fighter: “ISIS, the Story You Haven’t Heard.” Heh.)

    While it was disappointing to see them dismiss the well-documented evidence of abuse in Scientology, my main concern is that they chose someone who actively promotes Scientology with subterfuge, and yet they decided to hide that by allowing Meghan anonymity. They really deserve to be roasted for that.

    And let me point out one additional wrinkle that I feel compelled to bring up. I really enjoyed Amelia’s takedown, and it’s nice to learn who helped Janet Reitman on her book, Inside Scientology. But did anyone else remember that Janet attempted something somewhat similar in her book?

    If you recall, Inside Scientology ends with a chapter which came in for a lot of criticism from readers. Janet profiles a young Scientologist named Natalie Walet, and, perhaps a bit more artfully, attempts pretty much what Kelsey Miller was doing — promoting a young woman as the unrecognized, friendlier future of Scientology.

    That chapter was a real clunker in what otherwise was a really well researched and well written book, I thought. It felt forced, and it ignored the basic nature of Scientology — that it doesn’t evolve.

    Anyway, I thought that was a bit ironic. Your mileage may vary.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I do remember that profile of Natalie Walet in Reitmans book. And I have to say, while it was forced, It made me feel as though Reitman was trying to show a positive opinion even though we all know the whole thing is an evil sham. By bending over backwards to show a young (an in my opinion, naive and ignorant) Scientologist…..I think it enhanced (through contrast) the realities in the rest of the book.
      So from my perspective, I was glad she tried to put a weight on the other side of the scale.
      It certainly didn’t tip the scales toward Scientology in my opinion.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Has anyone done a follow up on Natalie Walet?

      • Tony Ortega

        She went to law school and doesn’t mention Scientology on her Twitter feed or personal website. Not sure if she’s still in or not.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          On November 17 of this year….one “Sylvia Stanard” posted on Natalies profile picture on facebook.

          She wasn’t calling her a bitter defrocked apostate or an SP………so…………

          That pretty much sums it up for me.

          • Eclipse-girl

            BTN,
            I have no idea who Sylvia is.
            I take it to mean that Natalie is still in.

            In Reitman’s book, I thought Natalie spoke of her parents being able to stop some type of an ethics investigation.
            I wonder how deep her parents are in.
            They did not send Natalie to a sci-lon school.
            If her parents ever become dissatisfied, would Natalie be willing to look at information from the “fringes?”

            • Sejanus

              Off the top of my head wasn’t Sylvia Stanard the lady who did the blundering address to Chautauqua Institute a few months back. She fielded questions about the organization, lied through her teeth (not surprisingly)about various policies and beliefs and was generally mauled by her well read audience.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Thanks.

      • richelieu jr

        “Has anyone done a follow up on Natalie Walet?”

        I followed it up all right- It is official: No one has ever seen Natalie’s Wallet again (except for a certain Miscaivge who was seen cackling and removing paper from it the enxt night under the bridge,beofrehowlingat the moon, then scurrying bnder the edge of a dime that had rolled from her change purse….

    • ze moo

      Elaine/Meghan Fialkoff’s identity became apparent with the ‘event planner’ and other identify info we saw last night. The Israeli art exhibition just confirmed it. Miller deserves a little education, but not some of the vitriol that was apparent in the comments. And yes, calling someone a closet $cieno is an insult.

      When the Drug Free World and Applied Scholastics stuff came up I sent emails to as many school principals (http://schools.nyc.gov/contactdoe/) as I could find. Hopefully, they are now forewarned, but recognize that they may not be the ones setting the schedule.

      I thought Reitman’s bit on Natalie Walet was an attempt to humanize current CO$ members. I came out that chapter thinking, ‘how deluded is this woman’? (not Reitman, Walet)

      The Refinery 29 story hasn’t reached Atlantic proportions yet, but that is because R29 doesn’t have the reputation or reach of the Atlantic. We’ll see what the next few days bring,

    • flyonthewall

      It’s not rain on your wedding day ironic but still, pretty ironic

      • Jack99

        It’s more like a no smoking sign on your cigarette break ironic.

        • Robert Eckert

          …at the Philip Morris company.

        • Stacy

          I thought it was “a traffic jam when you’re already late” ironic.

          • Sid_Snakey

            That’s not irony.

            It would be ironic if, for example, you were a city planner, stuck in traffic on your way to a meeting where you were due to present on how you had dramatically reduced traffic in your city.

            (c) Ed Byrne

      • Sid_Snakey

        That’s not ironic.

        It would be ironic if you were marrying a weather forecaster who had chosen that date to get married.

        (c) Ed Byrne.

    • L. C. Spencer

      “With that aim in mind, they set out to find a young female Scientologist who fit that bill.”

      This is the part I don’t get. WHY? Who sits down in the morning and says, “I bet a great story would be a Scientologist who fits our demographic!” To whomever came up with that, I would say, “what is your damage?”

    • Kim O’Brien

      i heart you

  • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

    Welcome home. I will put another log on the fire. Do you want some banana bread with your coffee?
    Really good to have you here.

  • The Fialkoffs are very good at working politicians and peripheral press without them seemingly twigging to the Scientology connection.

    State senator presents proclamation to Fialkoff Dental Study Club December 17, 2013, Dental Tribune International

  • L. C. Spencer

    I doxxed her over at R29. Well, not definitively doxxed her, since I can’t PROVE it’s Megan; but I posted the link to this story, Tony’s other schools story, Dave T’s Narconon link and Nanette Asimov’s SF Chronicle articles, and asked readers to look into it for themselves.

    Casual readers need to understand that this is part of a bigger pattern, not just some happy-go-lucky wannabe Carrie who volunteers in schools ’cause she’s chirpy and nice.

  • Sherbet

    Re the Enquirer story: Regardless of how earth-shattering those “new” documents are or are not, the cover is awesome, just what we would expect from the Enquirer. Sensationalist, truth-bending headlines graced with the smiling (implied sinister) grins of our scientology boys Tom and John. It’s just enough to nurture some well-deserved suspicion among people who wouldn’t necessarily know what scientology is but who do their reading at the supermarket checkout.

  • Science Doc

    OSA is starting to wake up and someone sent them to post over at R29. Usual stories. We’ve got a former Muslim clam this time.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Yep. And a couple of hand wringers. OSA has become so toothless any more.

  • Pierrot

    Good morning still for you in the Americas. I would have used wwp for this message but I can’t access it, anybody else have this problem? Do not expect any reminder from me until tomorrow, We are going for a night out.
    But the trawling continues, visit the RedX spreadsheet and flag all you can.
    Check the “Daily Wip” regularly after 12pm (est) to flag the new catches.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    Ty Grace & Car

    • Sherbet

      A good way to karmically undo yesterday’s bad Bunker juju — flag some ads.

  • Robert Eckert

    And there don’t seem to be any “ex-Dudes” or “bitter, defrocked Dude apostates” either.

    • richelieu jr

      Well, you know, tere are–t hey just can’t be bothered to get out of the bath and do anything about it– they’re defrocked after all– and you can’t go out in public like that!

      Plus, another white russian should take that bitter taste away for a while, anyway…

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST IS UP

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Another one? What is this, a news site or something?

  • Mooser

    There are three posts this morning! By the time I read them all my lips will be tired.

  • i-Betty

    I can’t believe how quickly Tony dug this out. What am I saying? Of course I can!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Oh brother. There was just a “Big Hello from Bulgravia” over at the R29 comment board. Commence incoherence…

    • Sherbet

      I’m staying away from the place today, like whistling past a graveyard.

  • BTs2Free

    Hey guys, feel free to cut and paste this little ball of theta on any article that supports the Cult:

    Regarding OT III and the origin of Guhlactic Overlord Xenu

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

    Religious Technology Center director Warren McShane testified in a 1995 court
    case that the Church of Scientology receives a significant amount of its
    revenue from fixed donations paid by Scientologists to study the OT
    materials. McShane said that Hubbard’s work “may seem weird” to those
    that have not yet completed the prior levels of coursework in
    Scientology. McShane said the story had never been secret, although
    maintaining there were nevertheless trade secrets contained in OT III.
    McShane discussed the details of the story at some length and
    specifically attributed the authorship of the story to Hubbard.

    Ref:
    (testimony under oath by Warren McShane of the Church of Scientology
    in RTC v. FactNet, Civil Action No. 95B2143, United States Courthouse,
    Denver, Colorado, September 11, 1995)

    • Charles Murdoch

      That little piece of theta was my final coffin nail & closure of my pursuit of a higher state of existence through Scientology. I was just astonished that, that was what I was waiting for, for over 30 years to achieve??! And then the real research into my own memories of abuse, lies and fraud perpetuated on me, studying the rest of the OT levels, complete disconnection and removal of over 30 years implanted, brainwashed Hubbard thinking began! I think I’m doing alright tho…

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    A fashionista promoting Scientology? Perhaps she thinks the rice and beans starvation diet is good for the figure? Or perhaps it’s that shabby, ill-fitting, fake military outfit members of the Sea Org wear? I thought “heroin chic” would have been enough of a scandal to warn fashionistas about making death and distaster chic. Guess not, now there is some crappy, half-literate writer extolling “cult chic.”

  • brendon

    (This is a copy of a comment I just posted on that Refinery 29 site.)

    I’ve been an open COS critic since the early days of alt.religion.scientology, read Ortega’s site daily and have followed the topic for over 40 years. I accept the stories of Headley, Scobee, Hawkins, Marty and Mike, et al, as being the truth. There is a lot to dislike about the COS, and plenty of reason to actively work against what the COS tries to do in society, either directly or through its various front groups.

    That said, I am troubled by how Kelsey Miller is being attacked for this story. It’s clear she made some attempt to create balance (she linked to xenu.net for heaven’s sake, and even an Ortega article on the Village Voice site). I do think she failed by simply accepting “Elaine” as an average Scientologist.

    But it brings me to this question: Can an article ever be written (outside of Freedom mag) about a Scientologist who is happy to be a Scientologist and happy to be part of the COS? We know these people exist, (many would call them deluded and yes their numbers are dwindling but they DO exist). To what extent should a journalist deny an interviewee’s reality on a subject?

    What are the lessons here? The problem is that the topic is extremely complicated and tackling an article like this requires having an extensive, not just cursory understanding of it. This is primarily where Kelsey failed in my opinion. “Elaine” could have been pressed on topics harder without basically telling her “you’re an idiot.” “Elaine’s” reactions would have been telling; a better journalist wouldn’t accept an interviewee dismissing legit, well founded questions so easily.

    Balance could have been further achieved by working harder to find Scientologists who are still “in” but are very unhappy with DM’s leadership. A tall order, of course, that would probably have to end up in a compromise of seeking someone in the independent field.

    I see what Kelsey tried to do here and I agree she came up short; I just don’t think she should be pilloried for it. I would be curious what, if anything, she has learned from this experience.

    Finally, I don’t think anyone has to worry that this article is going to lead to more people becoming Scientologists. The comments are too plentiful and so overwhelmingly negative that the net effect is that more people will become inoculated against walking into their local mission or org…if they can find one still open. This was at best a Pyrrhic PR victory for the COS.

  • Cece

    Yup, all fun.
    Thanks for everyone digging in on this as always. In view of current events, there just is no way Scientology executives in the ‘know’ are not all thinking “Shit. What are we going to do?” And if there is there is still any remaining compassion for the subject they might come up with “Oust DM”. Not that that will help much but I’ll look forward to the “Under new management” announcement anyway. Then since SO members are known for above normal endurance and persistence and “making it go right”, they might come up with a program:
    1) “Let’s (pay for) 500 good PR articles a week printed with thousands of our workers/resources posting positive comments
    2) Allow justice system to complete all the legal cases (instead if forever stopping/extending them)
    3) Knock off the constant ‘Attack” mode” i.e. call off PIs and OSA ops.
    4) Cancel disconnection and do rescue on those that have been harmed by it.
    5) Cancel all SP/Expels and send out apology letters
    ….. Whatever
    They will still fail. There are just too many humane compassionate people on this planet for them to get away with exploiting their faulty ‘Admin and Technical Policies’ any longer IMO
    Yup all fun ~ for today anyway.
    By one of many who have been hurt by this group.
    If not for reporters, commenters, exes, Anons, etc. I’m not sure I would be still around. But I’m healing up just fine. Hugs and have a nice weekend (smile)

    • Missionary Kid

      No! Please, no! Don’t “Oust DM.” Currently, he’s doing more to destroy Co$ than anyone else. His footbullets are turning into footnukes.

      • Cece

        MK – I have hundreds of friends there, most that I worked with 20 years. I have 3 family members in. I don’t wish to see them under duress any longer then necessary. So I was just wishing. Not a big deal.

        • Missionary Kid

          I apologize because I should have included an emoticon to let you know I was half-kidding. DM, whether he’s in charge or not, is a menace to everyone who is in or out.

          As long as he’s in charge, your friends still trapped in the system of belief are in for a difficult time. That is to be balanced against the damage he wreaks on $cientology that helps it towards its death throes.

          $cientology has always damaged people and families, but under DM, it has become even more pernicious. The cost of the torture to the trapped people still in that are your friends is incalculable. When DM is gone, probably $cientology will become less damaging, but it still will be damzging, IMO.

  • Eclipse-girl

    No it isn’t presumptuous.
    Feel free to ask questions.
    Feel free to ask “What should I read next?”
    As people put various links to Youtube ,watch them

    I spent one day watching every video that Karen de la Carierre has done.
    Her Channel in Surviving Scientology.
    Also look for videoa by ToryMagoo and Mark Bunker

    All new people go through a learning curve to get the scieno – lingo.
    Their language is acronym dense.

    Missionary Kid used to have a list of common acronyms.
    Its helps.

  • Stacy

    “Why would someone who normally writes about diets and fashion take on one of the most controversial subjects, and just take a one-sided view like she did?”

    Maybe Kim has dreams of being a real journalist and this was the only way her puff-piece of a site employer would let her work in an actual weighty topic.

    I’m not defending the crappy work she did; just pointing out there might be motivations beyond money from CoS or ties to the CoS PR machine.

  • romanesco

    It’s one thing when somebody uses an obvious wisecrack of yours against you as though it weren’t meant as such, but things get scary when that same individual doesn’t make a distinction between a popular uprising against a dictator and an opportunistic force co-opting it. Back to the real news for me.

  • I’m very late to this conversation, and don’t think I have anything to add that probably hasn’t been said a hundred times over already. Except, perhaps, that the editorial decision to feature a puff piece on a controversial religion for a lifestyle/fashion blog probably wasn’t the smartest of moves in the first place.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    I don’t speak it often, but when I do the claws come out and fur flys 🙂
    I also learnt French Italian and Indonesian 20yrs ago but have forgotten most of it, perhaps I should do some refresher courses one day.

  • The Dude(Golden Age of Blech)

    I am a little late with this reply. I work crazy hours. I read a lot, I have read 1984 three times. Years ago. I was always fascinated with the whole concept of the world he envisioned. Then I stumbled on to Tony at VV and jumped headlong into it. I have read Miller,Hawkins,Cooper and Headley. Hawkins was the best of them all. But I have to say that Hubbard molded his whole world after Orwell’s dystopian fantasy. Language, Big Brother’s face everywhere. To actually “Clear the planet”, KSW, would be to bring about a world just like the novel that taught me what a world should never be. That is why I am so against the cult.

  • richelieu jr

    Honestly– This is just what we’ve come to expect from the Flakeoffs!

    They’ve given all their dandruff commercial money to Davey Miscavige’s pretend Church for the Morally and Vertically Challenged, and now they skulk around furtuvely, a;ways flicking away at ther shoulders in the official, ‘Unwashed SeaOrg Salute’ and looking or gullible journalists.

    • Missionary Kid

      4I’ve either been working a lot, and now have a bad cold, so I haven’t been reading the Bunker much, but “Davey Miscavige’s pretend Church for the Morally and Vertically Challenged” is a great nickname for Co$. I’ve collected it for my list.

      • richelieu jr

        Why thank you, but you realize it is only on loan to Davey from ‘Elron’s Big and Small-(minded) Attitudes for Self-Impressed and Easily Deluded’, so you know;.. credit where credit is due!

  • richelieu jr

    OK, stop me if you’ve heard this one before– Two Miss New Yorks and a Shitheel walk into a public high school… What’s that? Not funny? How dare you?!!!

  • valshifter

    how do you make a Guess up vote in here does anybody knows?

    • Qbird

      I believe if you go to the article without logging in, you may upvote only and it shows up as ‘guest’.
      You cannot reply however without logging in.
      I learned this by accident. could be wrong.

  • Qbird

    Okay, I took a deep breath.

    I read here every day Kim… I see intense well informed opinions expressed.
    Strongly felt opinions are the norm & they are posted across the internet.
    I like opinion. But, I like facts even more.

    I know you’ve been Scn, Inc. watching for a long time. That’s a fact.
    You are outspoken, fierce & fearless, a tough & strong woman. Fact.

    My opinion: “You have to listen to the people who have a negative opinion as well
    as those who have positive opinion. Just to make sure that you are blending all
    these opinions in your mind before a decision is made.”

    Anyone can be an asshole. You, me, anyone. Sometimes it takes an asshole to point out a fact. And sometimes, truth stings. What you do, what you say… does have an impact on other people.

    I spoke to you directly only once before, Kim O’Brien – had to do with Monkeyknickers. You never replied to me. And why should you? I ain’t no heavy-hitter commenter; in truth, I am ill-equipped to discuss anything with you, after all, full disclosure, the only thing keeping me together is the glue on a zig-zag.

    Now, I am just saying directly to you, I value your opinions Kim, even
    when I don’t like how you say it. And that’s it. I got nothing else for you.
    Well, maybe a song.
    Gimme Shelter… http://youtu.be/GJtq6OmD-_Y

  • arcinva

    The Operation Clambake web site has a good dictionary of acronyms and terms. I’ve been following all this for a while now but still have to turn to it occasionally.