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Ryan Hamilton files lawsuit 14 against Scientology’s drug rehab, and other updates

FiledOur legal helpers have been working overtime as it gets tougher and tougher to keep an eye on everything going on in Scientology litigation around the country.

Las Vegas attorney Ryan Hamilton keeps plowing away, and has filed yet another federal fraud lawsuit against Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon.

Once again, an unhappy former customer of Scientology’s Nevada rehab facility — Rainbow Canyon Retreat, also known as Narconon Fresh Start — is the plaintiff, in this case Ronald McClure and his son Jason, of Arizona.

Ronald called Narconon on May 19, 2013, and spoke to Dan Carmichael, who “made numerous material false representations” about the rehab center.

Ronald was told that his son would get drug counseling and would be treated by medical professionals. He was also told that the facility had a better than 76-percent success rate, and that Jason would go through a sauna program.

Ronald paid $33,000 up front to get Jason started, and when he got there, he realized that his father had been lied to. As we’ve seen in so many other lawsuits, patients at Narconon facilities receive Scientology training rather than drug counseling, there are no medical professionals on hand, and the sauna program is straight out of Scientology and has no scientific basis.

“Jason left Fresh Start early because he did not feel safe and the program bore no resemblance to what Plaintiffs had been promised. Jason left Fresh Start in worse condition than he entered.”

Here’s the complaint…

 

McClure v. Narconon: Complaint

 
By our count, that’s fourteen federal lawsuits Hamilton has filed against Narconon in California, Nevada, and Colorado.

Angelo Amato (San Diego)
Christy Estrada and Branden Chavez (San Diego)
Cathy and Michael Tarr (Nevada)
Harry and Lauren Geanacopulos (Nevada)
David, Stacy, and Jack Welch (Nevada)
Bryan and Nikki Mott (Colorado)
Charles and Tyler Matthys, and Linda Phillips (Colorado)
Kenneth and Jered Mowery (Watsonville, CA)
Robin Jones, James Ramirez Sr. and Jr. (Watsonville, CA)
Charis Yates, Beret and Dean Pugh (Nevada)
Lori, Ryan, and Jilliene Winchell (Nevada)
Ben Levy (Colorado)
Monica and Sean O’Connell (Watsonville, CA)

 
Also, perhaps a minor point, but in one of the suits, Amato, Narconon didn’t bother to oppose Hamilton’s request to file a fourth amended complaint, and so the court ordered that he do so.

 
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The Georgia class-action Narconon lawsuit: Scientology counters

Last month, we told you that Atlanta attorney Jeff Harris is trying to resurrect his federal class-action lawsuit against Narconon by appealing its dismissal by a district court.

Now, Scientology has answered his appeal brief with three of its own. US District Judge Steve C. Jones had dismissed the lawsuit because it didn’t properly present plausible claims for relief, so in Scientology’s briefs, they’re hammering that same point. In other words, Judge Jones was right, they say. In addition, the Religious Technology Center (RTC), Scientology’s nominally controlling entity, is saying that the district court doesn’t have jurisdiction over it (a common Scientology refrain). If you spot anything unusual in these documents let us know, but they seem pretty standard to us. The burden is really on Harris to convince the appeals court that Jones erred when he dismissed the lawsuit.

Appeal brief of Narconon Georgia
Appeal brief of Narconon International and the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE)
Appeal brief for the Religious Technology Center (RTC)

 
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First motion to dismiss in the giant NAFC lawsuit

With 82 defendants, there’s a lot to keep an eye on in the big National Association of Forensic Counselors lawsuit against Scientology and Narconon, filed in federal district court in Oklahoma. As we pointed out before, numerous defendants are choosing local representation, out-of-state defendants are filing “special appearances” to object that the court doesn’t have jurisdiction over them, and still others haven’t been heard from (including Scientology leader David Miscavige). And now, one defendant, David Lee, has already filed a motion to dismiss. Lee says that he did no business in Oklahoma, and does not operate any websites that the NAFC says were misusing its logo and certifications.

Lee has also been mentioned by our commenters, who say that a couple of years ago he became a whistleblower against Narconon and so they’re surprised to see him in this lawsuit. We’ve also included his affadavit to go along with his motion to dismiss.

A REMINDER to our great tipsters: We’d love to get our hands on the video of the 2002 LRH Birthday Event, which was referenced in this lawsuit.

 
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Scientology members agree to be kidnapped by contract

Another fascinating video by Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine, this time on Scientology’s draconian contracts.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 21, 2014 at 07:00

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  • J. Swift

    The Church of Scientology “kidnap contract” is very real. This contract allows the Church of Scientology to remove any of its parishioners from psychiatric confinement and lock then up in a Church
    of Scientology facility for an indefinite basis.

    This contract was what killed Lisa McPherson. After she had a mental breakdown the Church removed from the emergency roon and locked her up in the Fort Harrison. Badly in need of real medical care, Lisa McPherson
    was deprived any medical help and died 17 days later in confinement at the Fort Harrison.

    The contract is here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/221518045/Church-of-Scientology-Religious-Services-Contract

    • J. Swift

      From Wikipedia’s entry on Lisa McPherson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson

      “On December 5, 1995, the Church staffers contacted David Minkoff, a Scientologist medical doctor who twice prescribed drugs (Valium and chloral hydrate) for McPherson without seeing her. They requested for him to prescribe an antibiotic to McPherson because she seemed to have an infection. Minkoff refused and stated that McPherson should be taken to a hospital and he needed to see her before prescribing anything. They objected, expressing fear that McPherson would be put under psychiatric care.Janice Johnson stated that Lisa had been gasping and had labored breathing while en route. However they passed a total of four hospitals along the way to their ultimate destination. When they arrived at Minkoff’s hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater McPherson arrived without vital signs. They worked on her for about 20 minutes trying to resuscitate her, giving her CPR and antibiotics, but to no avail. She was then declared dead.”

      • http://www.tvtropes.org Tommy Svensson

        I’m not even sure they can sign away half of those rights, Particularly the one about seeing your file, That is a right by LAW at least here in Norway

        • Verve

          $ci doesn’t give a squat about legality. Minors (kids under 18) can’t sign contracts, you can’t sign away your right of freedom, freeloader debt, etc.
          The IRS needs to grow a pair.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Heh? Why would anyone administer antibiotics during an attempt to resuscitate?

        Then again, Minkoff…
        Public never warned about dangerous device November 19, 2007, Christine Willmsen, Seattle Times

      • El Con Blubbard

        After reading EVERYTHING about Lisa McPherson. It appears that Lisa was put in a locker in the bowels of the Fort Harrison and kept there because she was going crazy (and who wouldn’t) and refused to keep quiet.

        This explains the cock roach bites (imagine poor Lisa – what she went through) all over her body. The scratches and bruises.

        Nothing – nothing – nothing else explains her condition.

        When the staff checked up on her – They found her unresponsive. (GOAL ACCOMPLISHED….Lisa had reached the SP of Scientology’s Introspection Rundown – David Miscavige style).

        They drove her 4 hours in order for her to die.

        If she got better – she would have told on them…and the Church of Scientology simply can’t have any bad PR ….people may not come in.

        Before I joined the cult – I had questions about this from the internet. Very little was published – but her autopsy photos were online. I was given the bullshit pack about her dying from an embolism and the staff told me the photo was really Terry Shiavo doctored up by “the Psychs”.

        It was actually Scientologist’s that doctored up the photo’s. How convenient. Then I read somewhere that Terry’s husband was a Scientologist. No wonder he wanted her dead – she pulled it in and was a db.

        This was way to much for my mind to grasp so I figured no one would kill someone in a church. Boy – was I wrong!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      What percentage of people who sign these contracts actually read them?

      • J. Swift

        Eivol, Church of Scientology parishioners are required to sign four waivers, including the “kidnap contract” before beginning any religious services. Here is the Scientology Policy Directive on the four waivers: http://www.scribd.com/doc/229810938/Church-of-Scientology-Policy-Directive-Waivers

        • Eivol Ekdal

          What is defined as the start of religious services?
          Anything after the OCA?
          UP THE BRIDGE (Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19,20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47

          • J. Swift

            Eivol, it’s not as easy as what you’re asking. Follow the bouncing ball here:

            The Church of Scientology has no members. Technically speaking, there is no Church of Scientology. That is just a term of convenience used to refer to all legally separate corporate churches of Scientology. Therefore, one has to first join the IAS in order to become a member in good standing of the “Church of Scientology”, this because the IAS is the unincorporated membership organization of the “Church of Scientology.”

            Therefore, after a person has seen the mandatory Orientation video they are allowed to join the IAS, this assuming the Church deems them not to be a security risk, a plant, a Psych, an SP, etc., Per the Scientology Policy Directive I posted, a person must sign all four waivers before they get any services from any Org or mission. They must sign additional contracts to waive any damages that could be caused by whatever course they are routing onto. So, for example, if a new Scientologist is routing onto the Purif that person would sign a waiver holding the Church harmless for any injuries, up to and including death, that might happen on the Purif.

            It is only when the paranoid and greedy Church of Scientology has been paid money and legally held harmless from every possible thing that might go wrong are the contracted services delivered by members of Staff or Sea Org.

            Both Staff and Sea Org are members of their respective unincorporated religious orders and are classed as religious volunteers. They deliver services on behalf of whatever Org to which they have contracted as volunteers.

            The bottom line is that the psychotic business entity known as the “Church of Scientology” is designed to be as legally evasive as possible. The Church of Scientology wants all your money, and, it never wants to be held legally responsible for anything. That is the Church’s ideal scene.

            • 1subgenius

              A very clear and concise analysis.
              Please add detail on the commissions taken as the money flows upwards.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Thanks for the detailed explanation. I was thinking surely a newcomer would be frightened if they were immediately presented with the contracts straight away. But, you have confirmed that is a nuanced and convoluted seduction and that the subject is vetted to some degree before seeing the contracts.

            • Zana

              Also… the Newbies are made to believe that everyone in Scientology is their friend. And that a Scientologist ALWAYS tells the truth. And that they are the “right” side of whatever. I know that when I was taking courses, etc, I thought these people were the absolute authorities on just about everything. Therefore, they would NEVER scam me. That they were the most ethical people on the planet and would NEVER scam me. I wanted to learn all this great stuff that would make me “at cause over MEST” so that I could fulfill my potential in the world. And I truly thought that the Scientologists were the only ones doing anything about the drug companies, yaddah-yaddah. I actually believed it hook, line and sinker and told friends about it. I guess because I had been tossed round by a lot of craziness in my own world of show biz, a crazy childhood and some tragedy that struck. I was looking for stability. The fact that there was a group of people purporting that you could create a sane and stable life with predictable results was very seductive… and blinding, to say the least.

              Fortunately I had no inclination EVER to be in the Sea Org. I would tell them that the color of their uniforms were not in my color palate. Or that I was an artist and couldn’t dream of wearing the same thing every day. Even so… I never dreamed that they would treat their people so terribly. Never in a million years. The shock of discovering it all was profound and disorienting… my willingness to believe was such.

              Perhaps I was attracted to “the tech” and stayed because I met a few good people who really cared and who truly helped me — even though they were being duped themselves. They are still there working their asses off doing whatever… and yet, they reached out and helped me. Well… I actually paid them for the help, too. Wow… it is convoluted. What I am trying to say is — it’s that belief factor combined with a person’s naive unwillingness to examine the fine print that might make them sign something like that. (Think 7 or 8 year old kids and Newbies from Russia.)

            • Mark Foster

              Yes to all of that, and factor in-for me, anyway-the hypnotic effect of TR´s, the confusion technique employed in Hubbard´s writing, the thought-stopping effect of ¨study tech¨ and the moments of euphoria experienced when I had ¨wins´ or ¨cognitions¨ and…yes, I signed contracts without reading them thoroughly….

            • KNMF

              Certain faiths are called “legalistic” because there are rituals and traditions and commandments, but their adherents will live their whole lives in those religions and they’ll never, ever be asked to sign a single document.

              This is more like handing yourself over to a well represented mad scientist.

              If you’re going to give yourself to scientology and treat yourself like a lab rat, maybe you should let PETA take a look a look at the paperwork before you sign on.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Even if they did read them, then how many still feel forced or obligated to sign anyway?

      • villagedianne

        They may think the contract is just a formality, and that none of those bad things could ever happen to Them.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Read part of the contract so far….Holy Shit Swifty!!!
      In effect you sign over your mental and physical care to the church.
      They can easily exploit this by making you ill mentally and/or physically and then they got your ass.
      They do this under the guise of protecting the member’s religious rights even after the person may not currently hold those beliefs. They effectively get you to sign away the right to change your mind.

      • J. Swift

        Eivol, here is exactly how the Church of Scientology has created an extraordinarily well-oiled soul destroying machine: The Personality Test works on the front end to either find your ruin or discover what you what you want in order to succeed.

        Thus, the Church can bring some people to their ruin. These people are so fearful and desperate for help that they will sign anything, The young lady Kaja Ballo, the daughter of a Norwegian member of Parliament, killed herself after the Church of Scientology “found her ruin” and informed of it. This manipulation, based upon a phony OCA Test, seeks to crush people in abject obedience where they will give all their money to the Cult and sign anything. The story of Kaja’s tragic Scientology-caused 2008 suicide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kaja_Ballo

        Alternately, the Cult will promise a person that they can reach their dreams and goals if they sign. These false promises are often given to young aspiring actors, singers, dancers, artists. These young people are so desperate for the breakthrough Scientology promises that they too will sign anything. Steven Mango did an excellent job of discussing how Celebrity Centre preys on young peoples hopes and dreams.

        The Cult of Scientology always seeks to recover people who have left because they have signed these documents and are thus far easier to control and manipulate. It is hard for the Cult to get new members due to the gauntlet of insane waivers, the crush regging, etc, That is why David Miscavige wants to bleed dry the existing members who’ve allowed themselves to be controlled, manipulated, and spiritually crippled and blinded by the Church of Scientology, They are pathetic, whipped, cult members,

        • Missionary Kid

          Wow. I’ve added, “The Church of Scientology is an extraordinarily well-oiled soul destroying machine.” to the list, THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY & DIANETICS at http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059448

        • pluvo

          Great analysis and video.

          There is also the ‘Love Bombing’ which is used as a tactic to manipulate.

          (University of California at Berkeley (19 Characteristics) )

          “1. Deception – Group identity and/or true motives are not revealed. The group leaders tell members to withhold truth from outsiders.

          2. Emotional Leverage/Love Bombing – Instant friendship, extreme helpfulness, generosity and acceptance…Group recruiters “lovingly” will not take “no” for an answer-invitations impossible to refuse without feeling guilty and/or ungrateful. “Love”, “generosity”, “encouragement” are used to lower defenses and create an ever increasing sense of obligation, debt and guilt.”

          http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm

        • Exterrier

          Oh God, so true. I have a few friends, who I have little contact with, obviously, who are long timers, deeply “in”, and they do seem “pathetic and whipped” to me. Out of touch with the world, no clue as to anything regarding DM, the Narconon suits, the rush of brave defectors like Chris Shelton….they are walled off and helpless. And they screen their calls because they cringe from the constant regging for empty buildings. It is like the living dead. Twenty years ago they all seemed excited and vital. So sad.

      • Zana

        I thought the Co$ really knew something about sanity. My wins at the beginning were so wonderful. So, when I learned about Lisa McPherson’s mental breakdown, I found it difficult to believe. I just couldn’t “grok” it. How could Scientology make you go crazy? Scientology was the one thing in the world to help you go sane.

        It wasn’t till after I started examining everything I wasn’t supposed to read that I was able to start realizing that OTs were not OT. And that they might possibly be even MORE psychologically traumatized than regular folk. Perhaps that is why this is so fascinating to watch.

    • joeapple212

      Just like Jamie DeWolf said, Scientology works as intended.. it’s all about domination and control.. why let the mental health community get in the way of that?
      And, without getting into the Crowley connection, it all goes back to the medieval concept of authority. Only an authority can dictate to others, and they see themselves as ‘the only authority’.

      • Mark Foster

        Spot on. And…excuse my ferocity, but FUCK the notion that there are ¨parts¨ of the ¨tech¨ that are ¨good¨…Finally, it´s about control and enslavement, not about ridding the world of criminality and insanity and making beings more ¨able¨.

        • Robert Eckert

          No need to apologize, there are many who feel just as ferociously about it. Welcome to the Bunker!

          • Mark Foster

            Yeah, this blog, and a few others, snapped me out of the hypnotic trance of scientological bullshit 3 years ago…and life is soooo much better now. Thanks, Robert.

            • grundoon

              Welcome, Mark!

            • Mark Foster

              Thanks!

        • joeapple212

          It reminds me of the way Thelonious Monk would deconstruct a C major seventh chord..

          Let’s say a singer is singing a melody in C major. You play a simple C major seventh chord on the piano..

          C – E – G – B

          Sweet and harmonious!

          Now, you leave out the E and the G..

          C – – B

          That’s a little more dissonant.

          Now, play the C, but with the B just underneath it..

          B-C

          Now the singer is wondering what the fuck is going on.. but let’s say the show goes on..

          Leave out the C, just play B, but go down another octave.. put B in the bass..

          B

          A melody in C major over a B in the bass? Forget it! That’s a whole new world. That’s not what you signed up for.

          • Mark Foster

            yes!

    • Techie

      They didn’t have that when I started in ’79, I remember some big “re-sign your sea arghh contract” deal in around ’91 but no recall on any documents. I was at Gold during the Lisa McPherson incident, and remember what Dave told us about it. It is telling that he felt he had to tell us anything about it, guess he was afraid we would see protest signs at Flag and wonder what was up. He told us Lisa had been in an auto accident and died from her injuries. What is the big deal, people do die you know. Literally in that tone, no remorse. Those protestors are just in the pay of big pharma (there was a lot of blah-blah about CCHR “taking down” Eli Lilly during that time). Not a word about the “baby watch”, type III, Introspection Rundown etc. It was a while ago and I don’t remember every detail and name but I would have remembered that. Davey’s saucer religion is going down and Eli Lilly is still around last I checked. We can laugh about his lift heals and Hollywood movie star antics but this is a dangerous psychopath in full control of unquestioning followers in the thousands. My prayer is that the legal actions take it down peacefully bit by bit, without violence. May it be so, may the sheep look up, may the slaves shake off their mental chains and walk free. May it happen in my time.

      • Juicer77

        x1000. This is my prayer all the time.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        May it be so. Beautiful prayer.

      • Zana

        May they see the TRUTH about him… rather than just defend him as being attacked by “those enemy wogs who are trying to destroy their religion.” Is it possible that there are some still in who will NEVER see? Even when the truth of his insanity is literally laid out in front of them?

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        I like the “saucer religion” label.

        That old movie poster used as an advert for the Chaplain Movie, the one where Jason Beghe acted the space ship employee who “lost it” and was fixed by the Space ship Chaplain running some Scientology Rudiments processing on Jason, and then Jason donating huge sums of his space man pay for more auditing, is a classic L. Ron Hubbard!

        Wish someone would gather all the available Scientology “tech” movie adverts that did get released, and bundle it all up with some detailed descriptions and coverage of each of the “tech” films. And some of their advertisements, some of the ads that showed at the starts of these in house “tech” films were themselves revealing of Hubbard’s universe philosophy.

        The Jason Beghe film, Chaplain Film, showed in the ads the space ship, and clearly on the side of that space ship was the Sea Org symbol!

    • El Con Blubbard

      J. Swift – excellent post. I think the “Application for Enrollment” form needs a whole lot of light shone on it and kept on it and exposed to the media.

      This could be one of the many Achilles Heals of the cult – it is criminal.

      Who would sign these and why would they sign them.

      1. Ruin found and exploited. Regged for a huge chunk of money for services promising Scientology will handle Ruin. Receipt calls money – “donations” – this is the stage two of the scam.
      2. Person wants to start service – Routing Form (stage three of the Scam) Account is debited for service. Then we get to the “Application for Enrollment Form” aka slicked lawyered up contract where the finest attorney’s in the land have perfected the PERFECT CRIME – Scientology gets to always and everywhere KEEP YOUR MONEY. They use the term “donations” and they tell people “because we are a Church, we use that term on our paperwork and receipts”.
      One of the Staff’s ole time favorite justifications for these forms is the “Ole Psych Story” – the Psychs sent in crazy people who did Scientology and then went crazy and sued the Church.
      3. What they don’t tell the victim being bamboozled is that from past experiences – Scientology’s legal team of experts has figured out ways to always keep you in the Cult and/or keep your money. The services are delivered by Volunteer’s who don’t get paid much of anything.

      • El Con Blubbard

        Jeff – you need to do some videos on this Scam – not only would it be hysterical but it would drive the point home…..A Church using these types of contracts AFTER they have money on account.

        Scamonolgy – using your donations to hire the best attorney’s in the land to keep the money at all costs for 64 years!

      • J. Swift

        Outstanding analysis.

    • George Layton

      A wish that all the mind-mend magi could look beyond
      themselves and with the eyes of all those
      enslaved sailors see.

      Those trapped in lives of countless lies of endless work
      with nothing gained who’ll never have the choices of the free.

      To look beyond the magic words called life correcting, to
      those tortured souls who fell into that fate that follows after.

      The fate of spiritual poverty and the fate of failing health.
      A life devoid of loving family, devoid of caring spouse and devoid of children’s
      laughter.

      To look beyond the mind-made reasoning that validates for
      them those endless hours worked by slaves to further a false prophet’s vanity.

      Pushed past their limits every day and shored up by that
      mind-mend magic to bend their will, to kill their spirit, to feed chaos to
      their sanity.

      To see beyond the reasoning that explains away her death
      while assuring that her life was all and even more than any life could hope to
      be.

      And all of them in danger of becoming just another soon
      forgotten corpse that’s swept away, explained away, and hid away from any eyes
      to see.

      To look beyond self-satisfying praise, to all of those
      punished for the simple fact that they attempted and then failed at a task that
      couldn’t be done.

      And pushed again back to it on an early Thursday evening,
      staring to the great beast’s eyes and knowing once again they must fight a
      fight that can’t be won.

      To look beyond the monetary gain that comes to those gifted
      in mind-mend arts, to those who work for pennies beans and bread.

      Hard labor and 100 hours each and every week, with little
      rest, with little food, year in year out, no hope in sight and kept on till
      they’re dead.

      To look beyond and realize those magic mind-mend words, are
      the net that captures sailors be they born on land or out to sea.

      And they catch them and they hold and they bind them to a
      cause, that’s designed to steal their freedom and keep them from all they’re
      meant to be.

    • Anonymous

      I believe you are correct, however if I recall correctly, the contracts folks now sign to receive abuse (services) from Scientology were crafted AFTER and in response to the legal onslaught following the McPherson tragedy.

      The enabling horde of legal professionals were paid (and continue to be paid) to try and make legal the abuse and failed “help” that ultimately led to Lisa’s death. Apparently the events leading to Lisa’s death were seen internally as “successful actions” and the evolution was to memorialize those actions via the contracts all are now required so that they too can receive similar wins.

    • woodrose

      In the Woodward case (former Scilon seeking refunds) the attorney has written and submitted an excellent summary of why the Scilon “contracts” should be completely unenforecable. Among other things, they are unconscionable.

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/230202934/Woodward-v-Scientology-Plaintiff-Opposition-to-Motion-to-Compel-Arbitration

      It would be great if this legal case caused these ‘contracts’ to be thrown out and ruled invalid for everybody.

    • grundoon

      Wasn’t the “kidnap contract” put in place in the aftermath of Lisa McPherson’s death? Scientology lawyers realized that, without such contracts, the Chruch would be exposed to lawsuits each time they repeat their intended practice of intervening to withdraw Scientologists from medical care.

      • J. Swift

        Grundoon, L. Ron Hubbard introduced the Introspection Rundown in 1973. See “HCOB of 23 January 1974 “The Technical Breakthrough of 1973!” The very foundation of Scientology is its staunch opposition to Psychiatry and its need to cover up “Out PR” situations. This was entrenched and in place when Lisa McPherson had her mental breakdown.

        Also already in place was Scientology’s policy of “babysitting” people who went Type III In this procedure, a Scientologist who goes Type III is basically taken to
        a private home or some other private place and locked up until they were deemed to not be Type III. IMO, this is a form of false imprisonment and practicing medicine without a license.

        Therefore, the ideological machinery and policy, the “kidnap contract” was effectively in place on a de facto basis when when Lisa McPherson had her mental breakdown in public. Her fellow Scientologists went to the Morton Plant hospital and demanded to take her into custody. Lisa signed out of the hospital against medical advice and was locked up in the Introspection Rundown aka “Babysitting.”

        Whether Scientology wants to accept the fact or not, medicine is a
        science and Scientology is not. I would not even call Scientology a
        pseudoscience because it is not. It is a Cult.

        The Church of Scientology
        cannot even properly evaluate its own mental health let alone that of
        other people or groups.

        If the Church followed its own policies it would lock itself up in a mass Introspection Rundown for being Type III on its own Third Dynamic.

        • grundoon

          Thanks for recapping the history.

          As a result of their legal difficulties in the McPherson case, it came to the attention of the Chruch’s lawyers that the Chruch could actually get in trouble for snatching a Scientologist out of the hospital.

          It was then that the decision was made to require all Scientology customers to sign a contract with new terms granting advance permission for the Chruch at its discretion to kidnap, imprison and abuse them.

          Before then it was simply taken for granted that the Chruch would be able to keep a lid on its victims and their families and need not concern itself with wog law.

    • Narapoid

      What a bullet point in any discussion on Scio. There is just so much in the back story that it is difficult to get a good sketch into most total newbies as to WHY Scientology is so bad; that is within the attention span of most people.

      I am working on it, but I am afraid I will come out sounding like this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi1-IihX6yY

      • Mark Foster

        something like that :)

    • Exterrier

      Omygod. So this is what they are currently doing to Barbara Cordova Oliver. So upsetting. I know/knew her, and her life was signed away to a bunch of robotic rondroids and their drug and isolation methods.

  • Simi Valley

    Awesome vid! When I was still in the cult and living in an LA rooming house for Scientologists, I saw several Scientologists with mental problems. One was a housemate of mine for a while. She was an alcoholic with other issues, and one day she called a suicide hotline for help. Shortly thereafter, a van drove up to the house, and a couple of guys got out, went up to her room and led her away in handcuffs to the van and then drove her to a psychiatric facility. CCHR then intervened and got her out of there within a couple of days.

    • Simi Valley

      Now that I think of it, that rooming house had several other Scientologist residents over the years that I lived there who were alcoholics. So that is how a number of them deal with the dilemma of unknowingly being in a cult and living a very unhappy life.

      • joeapple212

        I lived in a Scientology rooming house.. it was called “The Ritz”. What a nut house.

        • Espiando

          If it was called the Ritz, it’s more likely that everyone in there was crackers.

          • 1subgenius

            Seconds. You beat me by seconds.

          • joeapple212

            You would have loved this place.. I would love to give you a tour of the insanity I witnessed living at that house.. Two Vietnam vets, both special forces.. nothing like hanging out with trained killers who believe they have super powerz! The ex-navy seal said, when he first got back from nam, he’d hit his mother when she tried to wake him up in the morning.. never touch a sleeping soldier with PTSD! After Scientology, he told a different story.. he’d hear the alarm clock go off, but he didn’t want to get out of bed.. so he would move the alarm clock with his mind.. He said the alarm clock would float across the room towards his bed, but just before he could shut it off, he’d ‘wake up’.. he was having some kind of lucid dream, but he thought he was OT.
            There was a genuis living there, too.. with an IQ of 161. She was paying for her bridge by dancing topless. We’d sit in the afternoon, and she’d tell me stories of how she avoided being sucked into becoming a prostitute.. although she was very bright, she was able to act like the most spaced-out person you ever met, too spaced-out to deal with, and that’s how she would extricate herself from a sticky situation.
            The Ritz.. were they crackers, or just nuts?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              How you been, dude?

          • joan nieman

            Ha ha ha! I like that one Espiando!

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        This has been posted in the Bunker before but your story about living in a Scientology rooming house reminded me of this video.

        Warning: This is a very sad, gut wrenching video and will make the viewer very angry that a human being was processed into insanity like this or, at the very least, had an existing mental illness exacerbated by it. I’m very hesitant to link to this but if it saves one person or helps someone get a family member or friend out of scientology sooner, then I can live with my moral dilemma over posting it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNy-4xvI47I&feature=youtu.be

        • Zana

          Wow. profound.

        • joan nieman

          What a waste of a life and many, many more. I wish somehow, one could just say” That’s enough” and shut of the destructive scientology machine.

      • A bird in the chimney

        I can see where there’d be need for ‘escapism’ of any sort. It’s also widely documented people suffering myriad mental disorders self-medicate with alcohol, even when alternative help is accessible. Alcohol is readily available, it’s inexpensive, and dulls the symptoms from mild depression, through acute anxiety, to bi-polar. And of course, while you’re ‘in,’ help isn’t accessible.

        That makes for a potent combination of negative factors. Painful to think about.

      • joan nieman

        That is a sad story Simi. It is ironic that the scions repress and destroy lives and then profess to help others with addictions through a system that brings them into their destructive fold. A vicious circle and a damning result. Evil begets evil.

    • grundoon

      Handcuffs? You saw this?

  • Juicer77

    Does that kitten in the Pringles can predict sporting events, too? :)

  • Espiando

    Okay…so I predicted that Thirteen would come within two weeks of Twelve and would involve Narconon Nevada. Well, Fourteen came within two weeks of Twelve and involves Nevada. I’m going to count that as an Epic Win and blame triskadekaphobia for the minor counting error.

    • Robert Eckert

      And Espiando, you’re right.

      • Juicer77

        And Robert, you’re right.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      An SP in your life was probably emitting suppressive mental energy which interfered with your ESP.

    • Mark

      OoooOOOooohooOOOooo… Do you do palm readings as well?

      • Espiando

        No, but I do other things with my palm that can might be categorized as out-exchange.

        • Mark

          Rolling Cuban cigars?

          • Espiando

            You might call it that, but I haven’t been around that many Cubans.

            • Frodis73

              Espi, you crack me up. I’d love to buy you a beer someday.

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    I hope the McClures are recovering from the injuries caused by the narCONon doctor playing money making front for the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. Best of luck to Hamilton :)

  • Sejanus

    $cientology. Just sign on the dotted line.

    What kind of church has you sign away your life and well being…..

    oh right…a cult.

  • Sejanus

    This organization has a heck of a year to go with them averaging a new lawsuit every week from OUR LRH…Lawyer Ryan Hamilton.

    Hmmmmm has a nice ring to it
    LRH giving the scilons a smack down.
    Now that is a win I can get behind.

  • Sejanus

    May have to rename it Narcongone after Lawyer Ryan Hamilton gets done with them.

    LRH for the WIIIIIINNNNN!

    • joan nieman

      good one Sejanus.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    If only church members knew how unenforceable and illegal many of those contracts are. You cannot agree by contract to be kidnapped or starved or raped or murdered or tortured. A contract that forbids you from talking about being abused is ridiculous. The church would be even more insane than it is now if it tried to enforce those contracts through breach of contract lawsuits. Imagine Debbie Cook’s viral video testimony times ten. The church relies on members believing the church has the power to enforce illegal or absurd contracts, and the church reinforces that belief through Gestapo tactics.

    Notwithstanding, the last round of non-disparagement contracts show the church is increasingly fearful it is losing the battle of keeping its dirty laundry secret. It should be afraid, the half life of recovery after leaving the church has gone from years to weeks, and more people are telling their stories. In addition, the church’s dirty laundry is increasingly on parade in the 26 lawsuits against Narconon and the four lawsuits against the church. Using non-disparagement/confidentiality agreements to protect against the explosion of information coming out about the church is like using a toothpick in a sword fight. The only question I have is how many weeks or months remain before federal law enforcement takes action?

  • 1subgenius

    The “contract” In a nutshell:
    1. Scientology is the only thing that can save my eternal soul, and that of the entire universe, but I can’t get it unless I sign this contract…
    2. I may go nuts, and need reasonable and necessary medical care..
    3. Scientology may deny me such reasonable and necessary medical care.

    I cannot see how this is not unilaterally revocable at any time.
    It may be that the person, or third parties, comply because they think that it is enforceable, but it is not, because of.
    1. Duress, undue influence, void ab initio..
    2. 13th Amendment.

    Discuss amongst yourselves, as it is a lovely day and I am going to cycle to the farmers’ market to buy the world’s best spinach.
    This will be on the final.

    • Sunny

      The contracts are not legally enforceable, true, but for a Scientologist, that would not matter. Scn comes down hard on anyone bringing in courts and law into their internal dealings. Scn, as well, would not ever try to enforce these documents through legal system. If someone chose not to follow what they agreed to, they would be handled within the organization and no legal system would ever be used.
      On the subject of Narconon, the people coming in are not Scientologists and thus use the legal system, where in the case of Scn services, this would not be so much the case. The church does not have that same grip on people through Narconon as it has with its other sectors.
      I was the Div 6 (which is where introductory levels are in Scn) Case Supervisor for CC Int for several years. We would not accept anyone for services until those documents were signed. They also had to have a metered interview with very personal questions asked before they would be allowed on services. I am sure there were many that were quite taken aback with the questions they would be asked in that first interview.

      • midatlanticcoast

        I was thinking the same thing. If anyone who signs these contracts under duress has a mental health problem somewhere down the line, they’re screwed (for lack of a better word). If they are in an ER on a 5150 (?), especially in a sci hospital, they are in no position to try to challenge a contract even if they remember signing it or read it before signing. The sci’s will swoop in and kidnap them. Once the person is in their clutches, they are hidden and helpless.

      • Zana

        I was taken aback… however, I thought the church was just protecting itself from those hostile people out there who would try to sue it just to destroy it. I felt I was being “saved.”

      • grundoon

        Sunny, was everyone asked the same list of questions? Was there an HCOB or other reference for the list?

        • Sunny

          There is not one HCOB or policy that says what questions are to be asked. The first set of questions surround A – J (PTS – Potential Trouble Sources from A to J, which is covered in a bulletin), Illegal PC questions and, after that, it depends on what flaps have happened and what areas get checked into. They check for past criminal history (any convictions only), past connections to suppressive or government groups, and, since about 1995 they check into suicide thoughts or attempts as well. You cannot be on any Sea Org property if you have had thoughts of suicide. I don’t know if it is still like that, but when I got SP declared in 2004, it was still like that. It was the fastest way to get booted off staff. But for public, you would not be allowed to take services at a Sea Org building. Only in the Class V orgs.

          • grundoon

            Thanks!

  • MrsLurksALot

    *******Red X Red X Red X********

    There are lots of new deceptive CoS ads need flagging. They seek their prey on CL, pushing their con on the unsuspecting. If you have some time, pick a city and knock them out. Any help is appreciated.

    The full list, flag the blues:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466175

    (Refresh) https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14331227391/

  • aquaclara

    Each of these cases is a painful reminder that another person has been severely hurt by the Scientology. But people are taking action to end this scam for good, so let the cheering commence.

    Good luck, Jeff Harris and Ryan Hamilton. Taking on the cult in court is not for the faint of heart, and so we pop the champagne and the popcorn every time there is news. Your cases may well put Narconon out of business for good.

    For the families of those who thought Narconon held the answers to treatment, Thank you for filing, even though going up against Scientology is like fighting a posse of tough bullies on the playground. I truly hope you get well soon, with the help of experienced, trained, medical staff. That will be the best win of all.

  • 0tessa

    I can’t wait till Scientology collapses finally.

  • Phil McKraken

    The beauty of all these lawsuits is that there’s so much similarity and overlap in these filings that Ryan is probably able to keep average billings relatively low. Object-oriented lawyering.

    • 1subgenius

      Although these are likely to be on a contingency fee basis, he does need to track his hours for the inevitable awarding to him and his clients of costs when (not if) Defendants abuse law, procedure, and the orders of the court.

      • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

        Lying to the court worked out really well in Georgia. For a while. Meanwhile, narCONon Fresh Start apparently has never heard of narCONon International – this bodes well…

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          But Mary Reiser knew how to contact Narconon International and OSA at the local org and Church of Scientology International…

          Patrick Desmond OSA Report Oct. 2, 2012, Pete Combs, WSB Radio

          Created less than 24 hours after Patrick Desmond died of a drug and alcohol overdose while a patient at Narconon of Georgia, this memo, written by executive director Mary Reiser, is clearly routed to the legal director of Narconon International, the executive director of ABLE Eastern US, the Director of Special Affairs at the local Church of Scientology and the Office of Special Affairs at the Church of Scientology International. While Reiser never reported Desmond’s death to state regulators, this is her report to Narconon and church officials.

  • aquaclara

    Unlike Tony, The Chief Puppeteer must be finding it hard to keep up on all these court cases. In the Amato case above, Ryan files to amend the complaint. NN doesn’t respond, and so the court finds for Ryan. That was easy.

    Could it be that the Narconon lawyers might be having trouble hearing back in time from the Master String-Puller….?

    • joan nieman

      The Master String Puller is probably dumbfounded and really doesn’t know what to do. He’ll have to come up with a new plan. I want to see the little demon cringe.

  • Mark

    This is not just because I like irritating the hell out of ageing bed-hopping Lotharios… (refresh):

    • Captain Howdy

      YIKES!

      Silver bullets..hurry!

      ….

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yay….first coffee spray so far this morning.

        • Captain Howdy

          I’m honored.

      • Mark

        He was obviously quite the wolf in his day:

        • Espiando

          Well, he certainly fits Scientology’s alien theme, since he bears a huge resemblance to a Klingon.

    • Simi Valley

      I had a good friend who was in the SO, posted on the Freakwinds. Captain Napier hit on her but she said no. This was quite a few years ago, but I’m glad she declined his offer. Of course being on the Freakwinds, my friend could have experienced any number of nasty things after that.

    • 0tessa

      Is this supposed to be a RELIGOUS minister? Looks more like a WARHORSE to me.

    • TDA1541A

      Thank you Anonymous:
      Church of Scientology’s Freewinds Competence and Leadership Course Leak
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EffdfZ_32R8

      • Mark

        Eurgh! He’s got Hubbard-fangs! (and he sounds sozzled).

        • joan nieman

          I think he is soused.

      • Missionary Kid

        What a crock of shit.

  • Espiando

    The guy who invented Kevlar died. Danny Dungbeetle has asked DM for a leave of absence in order to properly mourn.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    I hope Scientology can help tiny fists to deal with his lawsuit ‘overwhelm’.
    Snicker.

    • Espiando

      He’ll confront the lawsuits, and then shatter a half-full bottle of Macallan, like he usually does.

  • Narapoid

    Got some things to do today, y’all have fun! *ref*

  • BosonStark

    Looks like JA got an XMO or at least some kind of PS — wow, VN. The only thing about this post that’s scientological is the use of acronyms.

  • Pierrot

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    They lurk in CL enticing and trapping the weak , the lonely,
    the depressed, the sick jn their web of false promises and hopes
    They claim to have the only real answers to the ills of the world.
    Join us and FLAG as PROHIBITED these fraudulent and evil adverts.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466175

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    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty AP

    • Graham

      Done. Blues purpled whilst drinking a nice cuppa tea.

    • NOLAGirl

      JJ has awoken. 12 minutes old in Boston.

      • Robert Eckert

        SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! Same ads over and over. Get him!

  • California

    Narconon: Someone posted a few weeks ago about how it seemed that dm/osa especially focused on individuals questioning/suing/talking to reporters/investigating/supporting people struggling against narconon drug education/drug rehab , etc. or anything about shutting down narconon and I concurred, after 12+ years of watching it all.
    Narconon was to be scn’s vehicle into social acceptance, in the minds of lrh/dm, and access to vulnerable people easily enticed into a bad relationship (financially and emotionally) with narconon/scn. Also, in the olden days, there was little scientific knowledge about what works with addictions…. thus Jim Jones, Tony Alamo, Synanon, the Moonies, TM, etc., groups trumpeted that their system had the answer: hand over your money and come right in…..

  • EnthralledObserver

    Someone please explain to me how they can so brazenly claim you are agreeing ‘by my own free will’ to do the Introspection Rundown, but when you say you don’t want to do it anymore, as in the case of Lisa and Scott, they don’t recognise your ‘own free will’ choice and let you walk away? This contract in itself should be deemed criminal and those that compiled it should be called in to question!

    • Captain Howdy

      You could say the same thing for someone being submitted to an exorcism.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Yes, I imagine you could.

        • Captain Howdy

          There’s a famous case that took place in Germany in the 1970’s where a young woman was forced to endure an exorcism by two catholic priests that lasted for weeks and ultimately resulted in her demise.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel

          • EnthralledObserver

            Same thing really, the IR and exorcism, both dealing with other entities inhabiting a body or controlling it, and trying to rid the body of such, all without caring or dealing with the body’s physical needs during the effort – same result, a dead person.

            • kemist

              And the perpetrators of both not getting the punishment they deserved.

    • aquaclara

      good point. I would love to see every Sea Org victim forced to sign these contracts file for a suit just like the NN ones accruing ever so well.
      Probably not the legal basis to file, but I still wish it, nonetheless.

      • NOLAGirl

        I hope the group that came out with Jillian (have we heard from any of the others yet?) will get together. They might have something with bogus contracts and the slave labor.

  • California

    Now, there is more than 15 years of hard, verifiable shared data about what works to help people with addictions and what does not with a wide variety of people and a wide variety of addictions. There is no one-size-fits-all program…. and as data keeps building, there is more information, programs and medical care available to the addicted and their famiies.

    Narconon was also supposed to be the means to access America’s (and other countries’) young people through the bogus narconon drug eduction. In the public educate access hey-day of scn (when dm had George Bush place scn’er John Danielson as Chief of Staff in Rod Paige’s federal department of education 2001-2005 and scn expanded, briefly, its access to kids via a variety of scn/a.b.l.e. programs with the blessing of the Republican establishment, some naive/some not), they were in fat city with reaping monies via Supplemental Educational Services ($30-$80 per child per hour) and other programs designed to get tax-payer monies and expand their access to the kids. Whistle-blowers soon sprung up, publicly and, much more frequently, privately and were viciously attacked professionally & personally by osa. The public education establishment had never seen anything like this. And ultimately, the establishment prevailed against this intrusion while also having to remain vigilant as Nanette Asimov’s last article demonstrated.

    • MaxSpaceman

      very cool to see this, Calif. $cientology Inc.’s profiting from George. Bush Jr.’s administration in those years is shameful. And detestable. Good to know it’s been curtailed. Thank you for that report.

    • Anonymous

      This is the referenced article by Nanette Asimov…a follow-up to her earlier articles. It’s now on SFGate, and not just behind the Chronicle paywall:

      http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Narconon-Misleading-antidrug-program-back-in-5504351.php

  • California

    Narconon was always the Achilles heel of dm/scn… too many non-scn’er families impacted too much public ed scrutiny. And narconon is going down. I hope to soon see that every single narconon (or its other named programs) receive the attention of Ryan Hamilton, the feds, NAFC, attorney generals, defrauded instance companies, attorneys, ex’s with insider knowledge going to the authorities and publishing their own accounts, fill-in-the-blank with your favorite consequence.

    Head of SF org/osa Jeff Quiros & second-in-command osa Karen deLisa, you flunked. And it is many cases your own bad behavior to those questioning/opposing your “main interest” narconon was what woke good people up to what narconon was all about. The osa tactics back-fired and are continuing to do so.

    Popcorn time.

  • EnthralledObserver

    How much longer does DM have to respond to the NAFC lawsuit? It’s interesting that there has been none yet… overwhelm, anyone?

  • Jimmy3

    Were you or a loved one scammed by a fraudulent organization posing as a drug rehabilitation clinic? Did a staff of sciloons with 0% qualification promise you a 70% success rate and deliver 100% bullshit? Did you spend more than $30 grand to learn how to yell at ashtrays?

    If so, you may have a severe case of Narconon, and the only prescription… is more Hambo.
    Contact Hambonon ASAP. If the Hambophone is busy, please hang up and try again.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for June 21: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #20,702 – down 116 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 23,031)
    Scientology: US rank #88,801 – down 9,947 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 60,135)

    Difference: 88,801 – 9,831 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 37,103)

    Lowest US rank for The Sprout since I started monitoring on Oct. 14 2013. Also biggest difference.

    Clicks from Taiwan – ?% today. No number on Alexa.

    EDIT: one of the numbers was wrong.

    • Robert Eckert

      Shall we take bets on how long before Scientology falls to six digits (#100,000 or worse)?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        By the looks of things, we could be talking this month.

        • Science Doc

          That far down and the number of clicks per ranking spot could be low single digits.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I actually think you could be right. That’s why we get the wild fluctuations.

            However, falling 10K places in one day… I mean, nobody can be going on their site at all!

            • Science Doc

              Yes. When you are down to the difference of one click then you get these thousand or ten thousand way ties. You might go from 80,000 to 90,000 by loosing one click.

        • Jgg2012

          When was the last time they updated that site?

          • Once_Born

            To find out, using Firefox:

            1) Visit the site
            2) Right click on the page, and select ‘View Page Info’
            3) A pop-up box appears. The information is just above the scrolling box after the heading ‘Modified:’

            Of course, this does not necessarily mean that a significant update was made – they may have just corrected a single misplaced semi-colon…

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Hopefully after GAG2 was released…

    • MaxSpaceman

      the additional 10,000 views must’ve come from the movie fan viewing sector of the Interverse (e.g. internet universe), wouldn’t you think? it’s the biggest spike since you began running the numbers.

      great to see this, Johnny T – with the numbers broken out. So much more powerful than a paragraph of words would be. You da man!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Actually, it’s not a spike, it’s a slump. The ranking has fallen with 10K places. The higher on the ranking the more popular. Google is no. 1 on the rankings, farcebook no. 2, Youtube no. 3, and so forth.

        So, being in the 88K range is considered really, really bad for the fastest growing religion in the universe, and it’s just getting worse and worse :-)

      • Missionary Kid

        That isn’t “10,000 views.” It’s an expression of rank. To get to the Google rank, I’m sure that there’s billions of clicks. To drop in rank to Facebook, there is probably a difference of many millions, if not close to a billion clicks.

        The further down that one goes in the ranking, the fewer clicks it takes to make a difference in ranking. It also means that the Bunker probably has, IMO, 10, if not more, times as many clicks as $cientology.

        It also means that it takes a difference of a lot more clicks for Tony to move up or down than $cientology. You’ll notice how jagged the line is for $cientology, and how relatively smooth it is for Tony.

        Does that give you an idea of how weak a presence Co$ has on the web?

        • Jgg2012

          Mike and Marty get more views than Scientology.

          • Missionary Kid

            In defense of $cientology’s status, (Not the concept or chirch itself), this site and Marty and Mike’s have news and comments, always more attractive for clicks, while Co$ doesn’t. All they have is SOS: Same Old Shit.

            • Jgg2012

              Perhaps a better comparison is twitter, where Scientology releases videos daily the way
              the Bunker releases articles. They have 12,000 followers there (Angry Birds has 500,000, whoever they are).

            • Missionary Kid

              Angry Birds is a game.

            • Jgg2012

              I was going to spend $300,000 to find that out.

            • Missionary Kid

              Sounds like $cientology prices: A lot for very little information. 😉

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              12K followers. Isn’t this a religion with eleventy billion members?

              Davey, it’s time for some more slapping!

            • Jgg2012

              Interestingly, Kirstie Alley has 1.2 million followers, so apparently no more than 1% of her followers follow Scientology.

        • MaxSpaceman

          I give up writing to and fro about the subject.
          :-)

          • Missionary Kid

            I didn’t mean to discourage you, just to point out that $cientology’s ass is getting not only kicked, but decimated, and ground up into fine powder and blown away by not only the Bunker, but all of the other anti-Co$ sites.

            Since people get their information not only from the internet, but TV, print, and word of mouth, this is only one indication of how badly Co$ is losing ground in one arena of the public eye.

            If another B list celebrity, like Lisa Marie Presley comes out publicly and denounces the cult, (and has taken the rest of her family with her so they can’t disconnect her from them), the process of collapse and disintegration that Cos is undergoing is going to take another, huge, hit. At that point, Johnny Tank’s charts will be even more downward and vertical.

            • Robert Eckert

              It can’t actually get much more downward. Past 100,000 Alexa doesn’t bother to count the ranks (there’s a million-way tie at “one click per day” or something of the sort)

            • Missionary Kid

              Wait a minute, we can’t put Johnny Tank out of a job! He’s done such a good job!

    • Juicer77

      I would like to hear Tony’s thoughts/research on this continuing trend.

    • Observer

      Soon Scientology will be able to truthfully say their clicks are off the charts.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      In the US – The Vatican is 8,433. Temple of the Jedi Order is 80,258. A small Zen group dhamma.org is 25,773. Just saying.

    • Walter Mitty

      Thank you COB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Thankee!

      That red line reminds me of an old hag’s gnarled finger, scratching along the bottom of the ratings.

  • TheCat’sKnees

    Found on Twitter today – looks like there is some Scientology in India: https://twitter.com/rohanchawla13/status/480329329662914560

    • Mark

      They’re going straight for the money, too – Dilli Haat is a posh farmer’s/handicrafts market in New Delhi http://www.delhitourism.gov.in/delhitourism/tourist_place/dilli_haat.jsp – but at least one local sounds reassuringly suspicious.

      • 1subgenius

        “Reassuringly suspicious”
        Not quite an oxymoron, but clearly paradoxical.
        Or vice versa.

    • Observer

      Haha, love your avi!

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Definitely not hot dogs (/maybe obscure reference)

      • TheCat’sKnees

        Ha, thank you! Cat’s knees are funny, and get funnier the more you contemplate them!

    • TDA1541A

      Good eye, good eye.

  • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

    Happy Belated,
    @GrantCardone, it was Summer’s
    Eve last night, you douche.
    #haiku #douche #belatedwishes #summerseve

    It’s summer Sea Org
    Do you remember seasons?
    Summer is for fun!
    @scientology #haiku #BLOW #summer #TheStaffLife #EnjoyLife

    $cieno summertime
    Slavery for Sea Org and
    Regging for the Whales
    @scientology #haiku #summer #TheStaffLife #ThisDoesNOTSoundLikeFun

    Davey’s fake navy
    Sailing ’round the Atlantic
    Just harpooning whales
    @scientology #haiku #Summer #TheFreewinds #HideYoWallets

    Harpooning the whales
    Get them trapped in enclosed place
    Can’t leave til check clears
    @scientology #haiku #NeedMoreMoney #AllAboutCASH

    narconon misleads
    defrauds and sometimes they kill
    they still exist how?
    @narconon #haiku @FBI #NarCONon #TeamHambo #ShutThisFRAUDDown

    Observer’s flickr
    You might have won battle $cis
    You won’t win the war!!
    @scientology #haiku #TeamObserver #OSAFAIL #StreisandEffect

    ‘Church’ based on money
    Bankrupted, destroyed families and
    Empty buildings, souls
    @scientology #haiku #SadlyTheTruth #ProfitOverPeople

    [This is a statement made by Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn) that I just converted to haiku format]
    $cientology
    Never have so few gave so
    Much for so little
    @scientology #haiku #truth

    [Slightly adapted haiku by Michael Leonard Tilse]
    Poor Distressed Master
    Damaged leader, damaged flock
    LISTEN!! Ticking clock!
    @scientology #haiku #ticktock

    [This is an adjusted Voltaire quote that Johnny Tank posted yesterday, I made it haiku-able]
    To learn who rules you
    find out who you aren’t allowed
    to criticize. TRUTH!
    @scientology #haiku #Voltaire

    [Another adjusted quote that Johnny Tank posted yesterday, this one by Orwell, original has society instead of ‘church’]
    The further a [church]
    drifts from the truth, it will hate
    those that speak it more.
    @scientology #haiku #Orwell

    • 1subgenius

      “…it was Summer’s
      Eve last night, you douche….”
      Oh shit, that is golden.

      • Frodis73

        That is the best ever! I bow at your feet MT& miss your great tweets. I’m still laughing at that one.

        • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

          thanks! :)

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        thanks! thought of that this morning when i realized it was the first day of summer! :)

        • 1subgenius

          I’m not gonna wait a whole year to use it.
          It can mean a summer evening, right?

          But, on a topic only related to that by way of feminine products, I am currently using pantiliners as sweatbands in my hats.
          I actually couldn’t find cheap disposible sweatbands, and these are that, and quite absorbent.
          So, that’s my little tip for the day. A gift to one and all.

          • Nibs Said

            Very innovative, 1sub! Thanks for the handy hint

            • 1subgenius

              You’re welcome. You gotta get the right kind, not thick, and no wings, although they’re easy to trim.
              I got mine at Walmart. 50+ and around $3. Oh yeah they got a stickum that holds it in place, but comes off easy.
              No more ruining good hats. You can use them to size a hat that’s too big, too.
              Just making the world a better place. Its what I do.
              Its not a game I play
              its in my DNA.
              Its what I do. (Donald Fagen)

          • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

            of course it can mean an summer’s ‘eve! :) how they did they abbreviate evening in old time poems? ‘eve? i think like that….

            Tonight is raining,
            damp, cold, a bad summer’s ‘eve,
            like douche grant cardone

            that’s an excellent solution you came up with!! very economical too!

      • richelieu jr

        ‘douche’..’ golden’… Shower?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Great job, Miss Tia! Love your haikus :-)

      • joan nieman

        Tia…you are getting too good at this! I bet you eat, sleep and think Haiku. My favorite this time is the reference of Davy whaling with a harpoon. Perfect. Just perfect!

        • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

          well no, actually i had about 6 weeks with basically no haiku thinkering at all due to the acute anxiety that creeper peeper was causing me….the mother’s & father’s day ones i did took a lot of effort…..i finally got a fence up to block that pervert though and amazing—-he is now RARELY over there!!! 😀 and viola!!! my creativity is returning!! YEAH!!! but thank you as always for your kind words and encouragement!!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Miss Tia, I am really sorry you had to go through all this. Sounds like the fence was a really good idea. Take care of yourself!

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              thanks! there was a chain link fence there, about 27′ long but this guy over there turned into a major creeper peeper PERVERT who would yell over horribly sexually suggestive things to me, then he’d hide behind a tree watching me when i was in my yard–a neighbor saw him do that and asked him what he was doing and he then put up a tarp to block her view of him!!! it took several weeks to get everything for the fence as i was operating on no money available but people generously donated some used fence panels, some pallet wood and someone donated their time to put it all together!! the wood fence is placed in front of the chain link fence and it’s even booby trapped if he tries to climb it into my yard (he had come into my yard a few times and moved things)….. there’s even wood put up to block his view from his kitchen window—he’d watch me as i would sit on my back steps…..he lives in another city but would come here EVERY DAY….since that fence got put up he is RARELY here!!! YEAH!!!!!!!! :)

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              OMG. That is terrible. That is so illegal it sounds like what our favorite cult would do. I assume you reported this pervert?

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              he fit the legal defintion of voyeurism….to make it ‘more’ interesting he has prior convictions for gross sexual imposition, public indecency and assault! EEK!!! not much scares me, but HE DID…..i believe a police officer had a talk to him as i emailed the ward captain…..i was going to go to the prosecutors but then broke out in shingles….then was dealing with getting the fence up–that kept getting delayed due to rain for a few days…..now i’m getting over strep…..since he is staying away and NOT staring over—if he tries to look over now it will be REALLY obvious—-i won’t take any action (i really don’t want any more stress or anxiety, i seriously cannot handle it nor can i afford it financially)….but if he starts again, then off to the prosecutor i go…..i have the email to the police, i have photos of him hiding (i took them from up here whre you could clearly see him), my neighbor is a witness to him staring at me, etc….so if he had HALF a brain cell, he should know he’d be in pretty deep crap….

              just leave me alone dude….just leave me the fuck alone….ya know?? why i would be so interesting to stare at pulling weeds i have no clue….let alone why he thought yelling those things would be appropriate (i never said anything to those things)…..

            • richelieu jr

              That’s so awful… I am so sorry…

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              thanks, it’s okay….there’s a wooden fence (booby trapped!!!) in front of the chain link now…..i think he’s pretty well blocked off now but when he is there—-very rarely now—i do sort of raise my ‘alert’ level a bit just to be safe…..

            • Sandy

              I am extremely pissed over this. If you need $ to fight this asshole, tell BTN to get in touch with me. I WILL help.

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              i do not like to ask for help!! hell, i felt bad asking a friend for $10 to get my RXs for my strep! i didn’t even feel comfortable when people volunteered wood, fence sections, labor as i had nothing in return for them, but i was pretty desperate and they said it was okay, they were helping me i didn’t owe them anything….i believe that’s a product of my childhood—not being able to accept things, ya know?

              the day the fence got put up, he wasn’t there (i thank whatever deity or divine being intervened there) but the next day?? oh was he MAD!!! i was up here and i have to confess to being anxious about his reaction (the lunatic has a CCW!!!! despite being a FELON, someone told me he could have a weapon with disability) so i didn’t go outside that day even though i had the fence and it was nice out…..i heard his gate open—-his side yard is all fenced in with a wood fence—and then i heard the gate SLAM, then i heard his van door SLAM, then the house door SLAM, then doors in the house SLAM…and i never EVER heard such things before over there!!!! part of me found it amusing—like fuck you pervert but part of me found it scary…..like the day (before the fence was up obviously and i had tried to put up a ghetto fence with clothes line and tarps but didn’t really work but i did try) and he was talking loudly–probably to himself—how some women REJECT HIM and PUT UP BLOCKS so HE CAN’T SEE THEM and i seriously froze and my blood turned to freon….he had to have know i was out cuz i was using noisy clippers…..he kept going on and i quietly snuck into my house as i was scared and didn’t want to hear anymore!!!!

              i’m just happy my neighbor saw him staring at me while he was hiding behind a tree in what i dubbed ‘stalker’s corner’ and asked him what he was doing and then BOOM! within a couple hours he put up a tarp to block her view!!! he would strut around in 10X too small underwear too (you’d be blind if you didn’t notice)—yes OUTSIDE…..he said a few remarks to my neighbor but nothing to the level he said to me….she said she’d be happy to be witness…..i’m just happy he is not there as often!!!! and i know damn well i got shingles and then strep due to all the fucking stress…..fucking pervert…..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              What a sick fuck!

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              VERY sick fuck!!! i was putting together some solar lights i had gotten last year–you know they have those stakes, right? and he yelled over “did you throw sex toys out your window?” i didn’t say a word…..but was thinking WTF?!?!? i was picking up branches one day and stepped on a locust branch (they have thorns) and said “fuck” and was pulling the thorn out (i’m always barefoot in the warm months) and he yelled over “do you like pain?”….totally ignored it….i was on my knees taking photos of my speckled violets one day and he yells over “you need knee pads or do you have a pair?”….i ignored it…i mean just stuff like that…..how/why would you just start saying shit like that to someone??? it’s one of those things you can’t figure out…..

              thank GOODNESS and all those wonderful peoples for the fence!!!!

          • richelieu jr

            ‘Viola’? As in famed film and video artist Bill Viola?

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              i confess to not knowing who that is….i also really suck at french so i probably spelled that word wrong! :)

            • Robert Eckert

              “voila” (pronounced vwah-lah)

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              yep!! that’s how i say it! 😀
              ETA: now i see i spelled it viola originally—gosh i type too fast at times!!! D’OH!

            • richelieu jr

              Just ribbing you— It is ‘Voilà’ (I happen to be pretty good at French, but probably should work no my English! 😉 )

            • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

              i just realized i spelled viola in the original post—i type too fast at times! 😀

            • Missionary Kid

              For years, I had heard “Voila” but I had read it as Viola. One day, in front of my friends, I did something cool, and with a flourish, said “Viola.” They laughed a bit harder than usual, and I realized that I had said the wrong word, which made it funnier.

              I had to let them in on my mistake, even though it made me look a little dumb.

      • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

        thank you and thank YOU for inspiring/proving some! :)

  • Anonymous

    Slowly but surely Scientology is devolving into a small, indentured group of staff with few other options in life, a shrinking group of public supporters who chose to remain willfully ignorant of the decades long pattern of organizational abuse and criminality, a large pile of cash and real estate assets, and a growing horde of enabling professionals (attorneys, PI’s, lobbyists, etc.) who are feeding on that pile of cash via defensive maneuvers while the wheels of criminal and civil justice relentlessly grind away at the fraud and deceit that has thus far prevented Sea Org Captain David Miscavige from being held accountable.

    The above is a very long sentence, but we are closer to the end than the beginning of the pitiful hoax that is Scientology.

    • 1subgenius

      That IS a very long, yet well composed sentence.
      I would hate to have to diagram it though.
      (Do they still do that in school?)

      • California

        Yes.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Beautifully writ!

      • NOLAGirl

        Just responded to your emails luv. :)

  • aquaclara

    It’s time to stop this.

    • Sunny Sands

      Is there a larger version of this online somewhere? So the names show up larger.

      • aquaclara

        Sorry for the late response, but just wanted to reply – see if this helps. The poster came out during the Suppressalooza tour, but you can find it on google images under cult. cult and narconon would probably bring it up faster. also, try http://www.reaching4.info, which is at the bottom of the poster.
        I think it might be a piece Colin Henderson did.
        Hope this helps!

        • Sunny Sands

          Thank you for responding, aquaclara. I went to google images and searched narconon cult, but so far the one there is the same size. It’s such a great image, I’ll keep looking.

  • Pierrot
  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Off Topic

    Aquaris, a new drama that will be on NBC about Charles Manson. No mention of his involvement with scientology – yet.

    See the lead in to two articles about it – http://tvline.com/tag/aquarius/

    NBC has ordered a “…13-episode drama, which is set in 1967, stars David Duchovny as LAPD Sgt. Sam Hodiak, who is hunting the small-time jailbird [Manson] with designs on heading up a cult.”

    Others actors confirmed are: Game of Thrones’ Gethin Anthony, Friday Night Lights’ Grey Damon and Bunheads’ Emma Dumont. Gethin Anthony will play the part of Manson.

    (refresh) actors’ photos

    • Frodis73

      I’m excited about D Duchovny coming back to tv…that’s a good thing.

      • Espiando

        Isn’t he still on Californication?

        • Captain Howdy

          I also read today that Bret Easton Ellis & Rob Zombie are going to have a limited series about the Manson Family on Fox.

        • Frodis73

          Yes, should have said network…I don’t have cable so I wasn’t thinking of Californication. It’s also ending really soon (I think).

    • Captain Howdy

      They should have gotten Giovanni Ribisi to play Charlie.

    • Sunny Sands

      It is newsworthy to sci watchers about the Manson-scientology connection. But sometimes people are just evil whatever their affiliations are or are not. Jim Jones was a Christian minister, but obviously his actions were evil personified.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Totally off topic, but related to OP: I have been following Fabien Coustea on http://www.mission-31.com the last week. Not that much action, but to me it’s interesting. Fabein, grandson of the legendary Jacques Cousteau, and 5 other aquanauts are staying in an underwater lab, 63 feet below sea level for 31 days straight. This has not been done before since 1964, when Jacques stayed underwater for 30 days.

      The relation to OP: the name of the underwater research lab is Aquarius.

    • richelieu jr

      Who was he on GoT?

      • Captain Howdy

        Renly Baratheon.

        • richelieu jr

          OMG, you’re right!

          This news is rubbing me the wrong way— I spent much fo the 90s trying to sell 2 Manson-related projects, with no success, and now there are two on TV at the same time?
          AAAARRRGGGH!

          • Captain Howdy

            It doesn’t matter..no one could ever top Steve Railsback..he was more Manson than Manson. The re-make of Helter Skelter sucked mainly because the guy playing Charlie was all wrong.

            • richelieu jr

              Yeah, Railsback had a certain sum thin’, didn’t he?

  • nottrue

    Sign a contract allowing yourself to be kidnapped……

    • Sunny Sands

      People are too trusting.

  • media_lush

    FTR it’s Juliette Lewis’s 41st birthday today….. maybe some might like to pass on their wishes to her twitter @JulietteLewis

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Dear OSA,

    Please advise uplines that “insouciance” clearly does not mean what Miscavige thinks it means.

    Thanks.

  • i-Betty

    I’m waving a flag this afternoon for The Hambo, The Harris and the Heroic Karen & Jeff.

  • Intelligenceplus

    I hope David Lee, ‘whisteblower’, comes out of all this ok? :> “June 21, 2114 – TRAILER CLIP of David Lee exposing the lies and fraud inside Scientology’s Narconon network. Film footage by David Love on the Suppressa Polooza Documentary Tour with Bert Leahy and Colin Henderson. This 6 minute Teaser will be produced into an approximate 45 minute FULL VERSION when published in a few days.:>>> http://youtu.be/4eQlViTYunQ

    • aquaclara

      Hi, David Love! Hope things are going swimmingly in Montreal today.
      *waving*

    • Sunny Sands

      I hope David Lee will receive special treatment, forgiveness, or dropped from the suit because of his whistleblowing, thereby encouraging others to become whistleblowers.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I hope that NAFC gets smart about David Lee. Instead of suing him, it should ask him to help the lawsuit. Great video!

    • Baby

      Thank you David Love.. Prayers and thoughts to David Lee for his bravery…

  • A bird in the chimney

    Hey, Bunkaroos. I wanted to share that I passed along all your good wishes and sentiments to my friend and she was moved and incredibly grateful. She’s also continually heartened at the progress being made against the cherch on so many fronts, and hearing about others’ stories of getting ‘out’ and into better lives. Today’s Hambo Makes It 14 news was much cheered. Thanks so much everyone!

    Relating to getting out and into better lives, I recently watched one of Karen’s great video interviews with Chris Shelton (Meet Chris Shelton, posted to surivingscientology on Feb 7th). It included Anonymous-filmed footage of him looking gaunt and stressed. Compare that to how he looks today–wow. (Love both of your work! My friend watched Chris’ ‘what ex-$cientologists say’ video and she thought it was a hoot and incredibly affecting. Thanks. :)

    • Baby

      Woo Hoo..thanks Bird.. Tell your friend once she goes down the rabbit hole to hold on to her big girl pants.. Amazing shit..

      but tell her to just take it slow and enjoy the ride..xo

      • A bird in the chimney

        I for sure will! She’s up to the challenge and is sensible about where she treads. And I vet if she’s ever unsure. It helps she’s a tough ‘bird.’ Thanks!

        • Baby

          Good to hear bird.. and one day when she is ready she can join us on the Bunker!

  • Mark

    • Sir_Real

      I hope the Doomed Munchkin meets this or a similar fate sooner rather than later.

    • Observer

      Hahaha!

    • TDA1541A

      *splut*

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X ***
    More ads in Boston;
    go and get them while there still fresh
    Direct link to the full Boston’s list

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466243

    Ty AP

    • Captain Howdy

      Boston..done.

  • Observer

    And now a long-distance dedication to Johnny Tank …

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      It’s funny because it’s true.

      Love it, Obs :-)

      • Observer

        Thank you for posting them. :-)

      • Baby

        Oh we love our Johnny Tank! Go Johnny Go..

        • Robert Eckert

          …Johnny be good

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Thanks, Glibby. Love you too :-)

          • Baby

            xo smooches and hugs to our guy that is in charge of the REAL STATS!

    • Jgg2012

      To put this in perspective, http://www.theflatearthsociety.org is sometimes in the top 100,000, and its average readers stay for 4 minutes (vs. 2.5 for Scientology).

    • Baby

      Fabulous Obs.. Lovin it! Between you and Johnny Corn on the COB is exploding into Poop corn..

      • Baby

        Narapoid.. Thank you for your Pity Upvote..hahahhaa

  • woodrose

    Headline in the San Francisco Chronicle: Narconon: Misleading antidrug program back in public schools

    http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Narconon-Misleading-antidrug-program-back-in-5504351.php

    California Dept of Education studied and rejected Narconon back in 2005, but the sneaky bastards have slithered back into lots of schools. Contact your local school board and demand Narconon be thrown out FOR GOOD!

    • grundoon

      Good article by Nanette Asimov from May 27.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    So, this alliance has been getting a lot of press on CNN lately (that’s where I have seen them). I hope none of the member organizations are somehow connected to scientology.

    http://www.endslaveryandtrafficking.org/

    Maybe we should inform them of the slavery that goes on in scientology. They have Twitter as well (Miss Tia). Their e-mail is info@endslaveryandtrafficking.org if anyone wants to drop them a line or two.

  • Illinoisian

    Do we have a name for the long, slow collapse of Scientology that we are all watching from our front row seats in the Bunker? (And which — in the area of web ranking — is so nicely made visual in Johnny Tank’s reports.) I’ve been using SciDemise as a name on folders I use to save stuff, but also thought about: SciRot, SciBlight, and DiSCIntegration.

    • NOLAGirl

      That’s funny to me because I have an “SP Folder” in my email folders. :)

      • Illinoisian

        Is it your folder for all Co$, Bunker, etc. related stuff? When I wanted to have a place for all that, I didn’t think of SP, and didn’t want the word ‘Scientology’ on a folder (to see every time I filed away an email or added to my web ‘favorites’), so, I came up with SciDemise. Then began to think that this period of slow decline should have a name like other historic time periods.

        • NOLAGirl

          That’s exactly what I use it for. Also, I’m behind anything labeled SciDemise. :)

    • outraged

      The best name for the long slow collapse of Scientology is David Miscavige.

      • Illinoisian

        You have an “amen” from me.

      • Missionary Kid

        *Laughs out loud*

    • Captain Howdy

      Apocalypse Meow
      ….

    • Jgg2012

      inevitability.

    • SOL

      SciBuhBye?

      • SOL

        ScientAllWashedUp?

        • SOL

          Dyin’-Tology?

    • pluvo

      ‘The Karmic Vortex’

      From J. Swift, 30 March 2008: “The human and technological wreckage of a collapsing Scientology is beginning to emerge in a very striking and real way. The evidence that we have entered the edge of the debris field is undeniable. The evidence of collapse is strewn across the internet landscape, in the media, and in Scientology itself. This is the real thing, for we see real people, the actual leaks, the technological
      debris, and the hard, factual evidence of a collapse in progress. Consider the evidence that we have entered the edge of the debris field of a collapsing Scientology….”

      http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=26890
      http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?highlight=debris+field&t=26573

      • Espiando

        Well, fuck, I totally forgot about Suzanne Marie. She was so brain-dead she made Marco and Val look like Nobel winners.

      • SOL

        It seems like one of the awesome features awesome Hubbard built into his awesome make-believe religion is that adherents are inculcated with the belief that the world is full of sociopathic, doom-loving agitators who will stop at nothing in their efforts to thwart Scientology’s planet-saving tech. The more successful Scientology is, the louder the hue and cry from without the castle walls. The fact that the infidel hoards are growing in number and raising holy hell all over the place clearly indicates, as any moron can see, that Scientology is bigger and badder than ever before. We are Linda Blair and the infallible tech of LRH is holy water. They may not be able to admit to themselves that we are in the process of a geomagnetic reversal, but that doesn’t change the fact that the poles are shifting as we speak. Rude awakenings are never pleasant, but are nonetheless preferable to never waking up at all. And, hopefully, when at last the remaining members come shuffling wearily into the Freedom Breakfast Nook of Valor, they’ll discover for themselves that fresh orange juice is exponentially better than orange-colored Kool-Aid.

    • Narapoid

      They are all of merit. I like your codification, it warms my heart.

    • richelieu jr

      “Hammer of the Clods”

    • Elar Aitch

      Clam-ageddon

  • Frodis73

    OT: I thought this might be of interest to a lot of young folks here…or their parents dealing with financial aid issues with college. It’s not just an LGBT issue either. Financial Aid can be hell jumping through hoops, esp if you don’t have a “traditional” family situation.
    https://www.change.org/petitions/polly-hayes-allow-case-by-case-evaluation-of-fafsa-dependency-status-for-lgbt-college-students?alert_id=lvflVmCRkY_R56ZGXw8xI%2Bu%2F8r4V9C36cEGaYaELus9ttylx6%2Fre6E%3D&utm_campaign=82755&utm_medium=email&utm_source=action_alert

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    O/T

    Pete Griffiths, of Flag Down 2014 fame, has a Facebook site announcing Feb 7, 2015, as a global, anti-scientology picket. The slogan is “Enough is Enough” – https://www.facebook.com/events/1456241244619345/ Please share the link.

    • Espiando

      That is the closest Saturday to February 10th, which will be the 7th anniversary of the first Anon picket. Good choice, Pete.

  • outraged

    This is a stunner, reading about Casey’s death on CNN I find a link to a lovely website about how to have The Conversation about end of life with your loved ones. My beloved aunt is dying of a particularly horrendous disease (PSP) which leaves the mind active but the body dead. Her family is afraid and reluctant to have any discussions about death. I have seen far too much death in my life but as a consequence I am all too aware of the end of life. My brother has passed over that bridge and unfortunately DID NOTHING for my sister in law so she now has no home, no job.

    When we are close to death I believe at that point we have a choice when to let go. Many people stay around only because they know their loved ones would be devastated. But holding on to someone who has no quality of life is also devastating.

    http://theconversationproject.org/

  • Captain Howdy

    I just watched the vid and I have to say “Holy Shit!”..Jeffery, you look so much better without the stache. You look like a completely different person. A slight trim on the length in the back and you’re ready for your close-up dude.

    • Espiando

      Complete lie. Every man looks better with a ‘stache. Proof: me.

      • Captain Howdy

        You don’t have the William Macy/Sam Elliot doofus ‘stache .

        • Espiando

          I do keep it trimmed to military standards. Maybe, in a sense, that makes it something for semioticians to debate about: is it punk or anti-punk, or is it something different altogether? Jon Savage could probably get a whole fucking book out of my ‘stache.

          • Captain Howdy

            Jon Savage would say at the end of 600 pages that it was obviously well past it’s sell date and start raving about some post punk dance shit.

          • 1subgenius

            Its always funny when you shave a stache off and your upper lip area looks freakishly huge.

            • Sidney18511

              Mr. Sidney has NO top lip under his stash. The only time I hoped there was a god was when I prayed for him to please allow my 3 daughters to get MY lips.

              I’m still not a believer but things worked out well in the lip dept.

      • TDA1541A

        Freddy Mercury ?

        • Espiando

          Much better with the ‘stache. Especially when he dressed in drag for the “I Want To Break Free” video.

      • Mark

        I agree – Jeff looked better with his soup-strainer! :)

        • Captain Howdy

          As someone who grew duly impressed with the sartorial style of the S.S and later on as a punk rocker it was more of the same all I can say about facial hair is..”Nein, Nein, Nein, Nein!”

          • Espiando

            I’d just like to say that I had no trouble at all with the ‘stache in the punk clubs in a location that was greatly influenced by the sartorial style of the SS, Frankfurt. But then again, they are German, so maybe they were too polite to say anything.

            • Captain Howdy

              If you showed up at the Mab or the On Broadway w/ facial hair you were definitely looking for an ass kicking..not that i approved of that. I use to wear wear my hair longer a la rockabilly style and even I got gruff for that from some of the little hardcore shitheads.

            • Espiando

              San Francisco late 70s and Frankfurt late 80s were two vastly different milleus. Proximity to hippies will do that to a movement. Even your hair provides a demonstration of differences with closer proximity: in LA punk, the quiff would have gone over well, especially during the whole neo-rockabilly phase LA went through.

            • Captain Howdy

              Ever read “Subculture:The Meaning of Style” by Dick Hebdige? You’d love that book.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subculture:_The_Meaning_of_Style

            • Pierrot

              *milieux* peut etre Monsieur Espiando?

            • richelieu jr

              “peut-être”, s’il vous plaît….

            • Espiando

              Since my second language is those of the people who kicked your ass twice in a quarter century (plus or minus one Miracle of the Marne), and not your froggy moonspeak, I’ll just say that “milleu” is the standard spelling in English, Do You Speak It, Motherfucker?

            • 1subgenius

              I always admired the Ramones for doing their own thing.

            • Captain Howdy

              Well, they stared it, so they had no one to follow.

            • 1subgenius

              Yes and no. Not to start a debate, but your statement is true and not so much.
              It made me think of the Stooges’ first album and cover as examples of “it”. (Pronouns will be the death of me)
              But things were certainly not going the way the Ramones went when they went where they went, and for that I admire them doing their own thing.
              I am pissed. You can’t get those shoes anymore. I loved those shoes.

            • Captain Howdy

              I disagree. Even though the Ramones were obviously influenced by the Stooges and the Dolls, the actual music that they created had no musical precedent.

              As Johnny would point out there were no blues progressions in the Ramones music unlike all the rockers who came before them including the Stooges and the Dolls.

            • 1subgenius

              “…no musical precedent.”

              While it sure seemed, and seems like it, I am not sure that’s possible, as well as sartorially, which is where this started. Not sure how a thing can be influenced, yet have no precedence. But I love a paradox, and I think I know what you’re saying.

              Man, I miss those guys. It was always a good day when there was a new Ramones album out. Or show. 2,260+ shows. I remember the first I went to. Magical, religious, white hot. On no budget.

              When you’re doing it and not getting paid shit, its obviously for the love of it.

              I don’t know whether I’m sad or happy when I hear a Ramones song used in something mainstream long after it should have been.
              Man, Joey had the best voice ever (OK, just my favorite) in rock and roll.

              This was one of the shows I was at. I think I’m gonna cry:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NgD7n58S68

          • stillgrace2

            I usually vote for clean shaven! But it’s really a matter of personal taste. There are exceptions: I can’t imagine Tom Selleck without his trademark stache! I used to know someone with a very large moustache and he impulsively shaved it off one day. Everyone (including me) was totally repulsed! Nobody had ever noticed how big his nose was or how incredibly thin his lips were and how his eyes were slightly crossed and he had knock knees, too! So … I guess it depends. I like Jeff clean shaven.

    • Baby

      OMG… Howdy Thank you ..thank you.. I was just watching and came to newest first..and thought..” Hmmmm why does Jeffery look 15 years younger?” Hell to the yes.. Much better.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X ***
    Boston is spamming more BS, go to Boston direct short list here:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466243

    If you have been through the Daily list earlier check the updates and alerts before & after Boston list.
    If you have not please do go through it, every little bi helps.
    Here is the link to today’s daily list

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466175

    Ty Ap

    • Espiando

      Yes, every little bi helps, but Pride isn’t until next weekend.

      • TDA1541A

        Are there many lions ?

        • Espiando

          Not many lions, but loads of bears and otters.

    • NOLAGirl

      Thanks for the link directly to the Boston posts Pierrot. JJ & Co. have posted even more fresh ones.

      • Pierrot

        Thank you Nolagirl, it is a realy busy evening for them in Boston, RED Xers please do revisit this Boston link regularly.
        It is now close to 1am here and I wish you all good night.
        Nolagirl if you are staying, do remind the bunker about RED Xing from time to time.
        Thanks

        • NOLAGirl

          Sleep well friend. I will be in and out of the Bunker this evening but I will post a reminder if no one else does. Thanks again.

  • Jimmy3

    This Disqus update is pretty slick.

    • Captain Howdy

      Huh?

      • Jimmy3

        They updated the user home page with a new UI and some slick new features. You can now see replies and discussions from different Disqus-enabled sites right from one page without having to load the entire page. I’m not even on tonyortega.org as I type this, I’m on Disqus.com

        • Captain Howdy

          How about a link explaining these slick new features?

          • Jimmy3
            • Captain Howdy

              The only thing I want from disqus is to bring back the downvote, make the AV image bigger and make the youtube video image much smaller.

            • stillgrace2

              I didn’t even realize downvote counting was taken away.

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes, now we’re down to level of little kids who play sports and they don’t keep score because they think it will permanently affect the little urchins self esteem.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I rather liked it when we WERE affecting some self esteem!

            • stillgrace2

              I don’t get it. How can we register our displeasure now?

            • Captain Howdy

              Now we have to tell people they suck straight to their face. How uncivilized is that?

            • stillgrace2

              Can I use a cat meme instead?

            • Captain Howdy

              Of course..we missed your cat memes.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OH HELL YES!!!!

              I have had to use a few in your absence!

            • stillgrace2

              Here’s one for you! (refresh)

            • stillgrace2

              Did it show up? All I see is a little blue question mark in a box! If I click the box, it shows up in a separate window. Has DicksUs changed how we post pictures?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yay. Yeah, you have to refresh for yourself now.

            • Jimmy3

              No, it showed up.

            • Jimmy3

              What they should do is allow individual sites the option to hide or display them, and they should be viewable in the same way upvotes are. I’ve never understood why Disqus thought down votes should be anomymous. Everyone here made such a huge deal out of down votes ONLY because you could not see who they were from. It’s OSA! Scilons need stats! I’m being down vote stalked! That got annoying fast.

            • Observer

              I only made a deal out of downvotes because getting them made me happy. :-(

            • Captain Howdy

              I don’t know what Jimmy’s talking about. I found the downvote a pleasant diversion..

            • Jimmy3

              First of all, Captain (If you really are a Captain…), no one ever knows what Jimmy is talking about. But Jimmy is talking about when, on popular articles, every other comment was along he lines of “Hah! I got down voted for what I said about puppies! What an insane cult!” And then replies off that are about garnering stats or whatever. Those kind of comments were repetitive to the point that they were annoying. And wasn’t there a commenter who admitted here that he was fooling around with scripts that automate upvote/downvote? I wonder if that guy still posts here.

            • Captain Howdy

              “no one ever knows what Jimmy is talking about. But Jimmy is talking about when”

              http://youtu.be/Apa0nG1OfUc

            • Jimmy3

              That’s what I was hinting at there. I knew you’d get it :)

            • Missionary Kid

              We sic Captain Howdy and Espiando on them, then pile on.

            • Jimmy3

              Isn’t that the worst? My cousin’s 5 year old son played in a soccer league that didn’t keep score, goalies were not allowed and the coaches (parents of the kids) are on the field to run alongside the kids and help them. At five years old I played soccer in a league with standard rules, the parents and coaches stood on the sidelines and let us play. There were scores and win/loss records.

            • Captain Howdy

              When i played sports if you started whining the coach would smack you and If you went home and whined to your father he would smack you to.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Me too. And I growed up just fine!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              Me too!..anybody know where I can score some smack?

            • Missionary Kid

              The answer to that is at the smack store, isn’t it? 😉

            • Jimmy3

              I’ll never forget my dad’s encouragement after a tough loss in that league. He said “Don’t worry about it, kiddo. You played hard. How does Dairy Queen sound?” It sounded amazing. So we get to the drive-thru..

              DQ lady: Welcome to Dairy Queen, may I take your order?
              DAD: No thanks, no order for us today. LOSERS DONT GET ICE CREAM!

              And he sped off, laughing like a maniac. Shit, now that I think about it, maybe we shouldn’t keep scores in sports…

            • Vaquera

              That is SO wrong!

            • Jimmy3

              I’m only kidding, my dad is the kindest person you could meet. I have trouble with Poe’s Law.

            • Vaquera

              Whew. Otherwise I’d say your dad was a socio-pathetic.

            • Jimmy3

              Far from it. My mother, on the other hand… We’d go to DQ, she’d order one of the pre-made birthday cakes and excitedly tell them that it’s my birthday! All smiles and happy birthdays :))) usually a discount on the cake too, since I was so cute. She’d ask for some plain waffles cones to put the ice cream cake in later and they’d oblige. After all, it’s my birthday.

              But out in the parking lot, mom would eat the entire cake while I was just happy with my plain waffle cone.

            • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent
        • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

          Do we get notified if we get downvoted? Downvote this comment please

          • Captain Howdy

            You’re downvoted

          • Espiando

            I actually felt mildly guilty about doing that to you, Nat. Try it out.

            • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

              Nothing! No email notification, no change in my vote counter next to the arrow. There are no consequences of any kind for writing something dumb. The button does nothing but give the downvoter a false sense of accomplishment.

              THE DOWNVOTES ARE A LIE

            • Espiando

              So is the caek. We’ll survive this somehow.

            • Captain Howdy

              This is why we haven’t won a war since the Big One.

          • Jimmy3

            I don’t know, because about a half hour after I started playing around with the new Disqus, I noticed it wasn’t working right. New replies weren’t showing up, the upvotes notification thing was buggy as hell, it just wasn’t working right. So I logged out, cleared cache and logged back in to find the same old layout, the same old system. I think they rolled it back temporarily to bug fix the new version.

            • Jimmy3

              And so that no one gets the wrong idea, they’re not changing how the comment system wiill work here on tonyortega.org. If you only come here to post, you probably won’t even notice a change. This update has to do with the Disqus user home page, which you have because you have a Disqus account. The changes they’re trying to implement will make it much, much easier to comment on multiple Disqus articles on different sites. It is especially great for mobile users, where it’s really annoying to load multiple pages and tab back and forth between them. You won’t have to do that anymore.

              If you only use a PC or Mac, it will be more convenient to find and respond to discussions and replies that you missed while you were away. So overall, it should be good.

      • Jimmy3

        Upvote me please to test

        • Espiando

          Okay, just so you can get your jollies, one upvote.

          • Jimmy3

            Thanks. Someone was complaining that they get notifications every time they’re upvoted, which would be extremely annoying. But that doesn’t seem to be the case.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              That’s it! I want my upvote back!
              😉

            • Robert Eckert

              If you downvote him, the up and down just cancel.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Robert……….I was kidding 😉

            • A bird in the chimney

              But he is right. ;]

        • stillgrace2

          I upvoted you, too.

  • Captain Howdy

    This is the new home of legendary anti-cult activist and expert Rick Ross. Please visit his site. It is a veritable plethora of anti-cult info and he could use the hits after having financial troubles.

    http://culteducation.com/

    • Jimmy3

      Everyday that guy is hustlin’

      • Captain Howdy

        First the rap dude came out so every search for “Rick Ross’ went to him and then he was broke so some gambling site offered him some money for his domain name and poof no more rick ross org.

    • Jo

      I’m going to sound really stupid but I didn’t know the Mormons were a cult. They try to knock my door at least once a month. I thought they were strange but harmless. My dog barks when anyone rings the doorbell, so I use the excuse, he’s an angry dog so I can’t open the door. The one time I spoke to them, it was an old lady and a glassy eyed child. The kid said wouldn’t it be nice if there was no religion in Northern Ireland and wolves could make friends with sheep? I felt sorry for the kid, she should of been playing the xbox etc, not looking at a disturbed stranger. Anyway turns out they have a church just down the road. Thanks for link.

      • Captain Howdy

        Next time they come by invite them in to watch this video.

        http://youtu.be/mh9kLK7fFqs

        • Jo

          I was always curious how they got their shirts so white.

          • Captain Howdy

            Elohim is their co-cleaner.

            • Jo

              I want to buy that god damn cleaner, maybe?

        • Espiando

          Upvote for Orgazmo.

      • noseinabk

        We only get only get Jehhova witness people but it’s not a problem. We just don’t answer the door.

      • Qbird

        Hi Jo. The Witnesses have within their organization, something they call a “No Call” List.
        (well, they do around here in my part of the world)
        People who are extraordinarily angry, mean, cruel (threatening) to them go on this list.
        and also, you just have to ask them to put you on that no-call list & they will not return. They are bound by G_d to honor your request. Maybe the Mormon folks have a thing like this too?

        • noseinabk

          Last time the jw knocked on my door at 8am when I was very ill with the flu. That is the first time I was ever rude to them. She told me I looked like I could use someone to talk to. I shut the door in her face.
          I never understand why they still come down my driveway when Christmas decorations are up? Is that not a clue that I am not going to go along with the jw Way?
          I need to ask them to put me on that list since I don’t have the nerve to answer the door at 8am with a beer and cigarette in my hand. That would do it too.

          • Missionary Kid

            Xmas decorations just mean that you’re one of the unanointed, and hence a prime candidate.

            They feel that god has told them to minister to the unwashed, and you’re one of them.

            Someone else may have a better idea, but why don’t you tell them that you’ve been disfellowshipped? (That’s their version of disconnection.) Then tell them that you want nothing to do with them, and not to come back. They may ask from what Kingdom Hall you were kicked out of, but don’t answer any questions. Just tell them to go away.

            • noseinabk

              I wanted to be kind to them because my daughter’s guitar teacher is one. We only have one jw church here so I was not wanting to be the talk of the jw community. It doesn’t help that my husband, the social butterfly, is always nice to them.

            • Missionary Kid

              I usually just say, “No thanks,” and shut the door, but in the past, when they said something like, “The bible says…” I came back with “Which bible?” Then I went on a dissertation of how the bible was changed when the decision was made what would go into the canon at around the 3rd century, how apocrypha was decided on, and how other texts were banned and destroyed. I threw in that the gospels were written after the epistles, and were the result of an oral tradition.

              Today, I could add Bart Ehrmann’s commentary on how the bible was mistranslated and all the mistakes that were made, as well as the Greek texts that various versions of the bible are based on have no punctuation or even separation of words, so interpretation is done on what they mean, depending on how the words or sentences are parsed.

              If they want to talk about evolution, I’ll take them on there, too, because they have little idea of what Darwin actually said, or that he’s buried in a crypt in a Church of England.

              Usually, it’s two rookie salespeople at the door, and if I engage them, pretty soon the head salesperson comes back to see what the holdup is, and quickly realizes that they aren’t going to make a sale, so he pulls them off.

            • Nibs Said

              and by then their heads are spinning! Thanks for this, MK

            • Missionary Kid

              Not really. They’ve drunk the Kool Aid, so I’m looked upon as a heretic and unbeliever who stilll needs saving, but it’s more important for them to try to save as many as possible, so they’ll move on to a more likely prospect.

            • Jimmy3

              That’s cool and all but scaring them off with a dog is a more efficient use of time and also it is more hilarious.

            • noseinabk

              I could not argue the Bible with them as I only have limited, Sunday school knowledge of it. I could argue that if they believe that we should not celebrate birthdays or Xmas, why is it OK that church elders are given deference at feast. I have a hard time with any group that puts an elder, priest, minister as a god like figure.

            • Missionary Kid

              They actually put their interpretation of the bible first, and that means, to them, Jesus, and their interpretation of what Jesus said, not what a leader or minister said. There is little emphasis on who heads up things. Decisions are made by committee, after much prayer on the part of the group, but guided by what they believe is in the bible.

              Jesus actually said very little. In the New Testament, most of it is about what Jesus inspired people to say or write. That means what Paul and other followers wrote.

              If I were you, I’d simply say, “Thank you, but no. I have other things to do. Goodbye, and please don’t come back.”

              If I were you, I wouldn’t discuss anything. They’ve got all the stock answers, and what they do is to get people to accept their underlying propositions, so you’ll lose any argument. That is very similar to what happens if you get into a discussion with a $cion. To them, it’s all about the words of lrh.

              Both the jw’s and $ciontology are fundamentalist “religions,” referring back to the “scripture,” which is treated as immutable “truth.” On the face of it, they appear to be quite reasonable, but there are underlying assumptions that must be attacked if you’re going to discuss things.

              The problem with $cientology is that if you argue or disagree with them, their assumption is that you don’t respect or like or love them, so you aren’t worth the time of day because you hate them. That’s the argument underlying disconnection, and it’s a total falsity. Co$ trains everyone to think that if someone disagrees with their beliefs, that person doesn’t like them. They get people thinking that way, so if their parents disagree, then their parents don’t really love them, so it’s OK to disconnect.

              If you’re a wog, then it’s OK to lie to you, etc., because you don’t have the special knowledge they do.

            • Nibs Said

              Thoughtful and interesting comments, MK, thank you – am always learning new things here.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.

              There’s a lot that I don’t know, but in a discussion, I don’t accept the other person’s definitions until I understand what they are. In $cientology, they’ve redefined words so that you and they are not talking about the same thing.

              In a discussion with a JW, what I do is to take them out of the theological arena, and into the logic and definition of the rest of the world, where they are ill equipped to operate.

              When they say, “Jesus said…” I say, “That’s nice, so what?” I don’t accept Jesus’ words as being the arbiters of absolute truth. I accept him as a wise man, but wise men aren’t always right. Once he is placed into the wise man category, the absolutism of their arguments disappears.

              The same thing happens when someone starts to quote lrh, but I don’t even treat him as a wise man, and I point out all of his failures as a liar, thief, and con man.

            • Nibs Said

              Great argument; I totally agree. This is OT a bit but your phrase “rest of the world,where they are ill equipped to operate” took me back to an article I read earlier this morning, Tony’s interview w/John Brousseau where JB discusses taking DM fishing for the first time. DM was like 20 yrs. old? Who doesn’t fish until age 20? That seems freakish to me.

              Guess we could tie it in to the earlier discussion about Jesus with the “give a man a fish” story . . .

            • Missionary Kid

              A city kid, or someone who has spent all their time in the sea org would be a person who didn’t fish.

            • Nibs Said

              : )

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              The average JW would wholeheartedly agree with you, I would think, since they believe their “New World” translation of the Bible is the only one that is correct…

            • Missionary Kid

              No, they wouldn’t agree, because, under that theory, their translation has the same errors and misunderstandings. There is no way to definitively ascertain exactly what Jesus actually said. Ultimately, their argument boils down to the idea that the Holy Spirit is guiding them, and, since you don’t have the Holy Spirit, you’re wrong, and of the devil.

              They only accept their own beliefs, just as $cions do, and you can’t argue beliefs. I only get into that sort of discussion because I happen to know the bible as well as the history of its interpretation fairly well.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Are you familiar with the JW “New World Translation?” They believe it is completely accurate, because it “corrects” all he errors that have crept in. Unfortunately, the JW have refused to reveal any of the “scholars” who worked on this tome, or their source material.

              Doesn’t matter, though, as it is transparently a paraphrase in which they have simply inserted words and phrases to bolster their more esoteric beliefs.

            • Missionary Kid

              All they’ve done is simply the same thing that everyone else has: translated it according to their beliefs. Bart Ehrman covers this very well at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfheSAcCsrE

              It’s actually in some ways the problem that $cientologists have when they try to get to what lrh said.

              Chuck Beatty covers this real well in a couple of posts to me at http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/17/rare-tape-reveals-how-l-ron-hubbard-really-came-up-with-scientologys-space-cooties/#comment-1443187549 It turns out that lrh babbled, and his minions were supposed to rewrite it so it made sense according to guidelines he’d set out. The problems were that some of the people doing the editing were incompetent, others were stupid, the guidelines weren’t well written (after all, it was lrh who wrote them), and what he babbled was sheer nonsense.

              Basically, what Chuck is saying is that the indies who want to get back to the original texts don’t understand that it’s all bullshit.

              I’m not saying that what Jesus said was BS, but I am saying that how someone’s works are interpreted as their passed along isn’t as simple as followers would have everyone think.

          • Jimmy3

            Even Godless, evil, bound-for-a-lake-of-fire, blaspheming atheists put up Christmas lights. Colored lights are pretty and festive! I’ve actually never had a visit from JWs. They don’t come around here for whatever reason. But there are always solicitors here wanting you to sell you something or sign something, and Jo is absolutely right. Dogs are the best excuse to just slam the door without seeming rude.

            My dogs lose their minds when a stranger comes to the door. On one occasion, I opened the door halfway, pretended to restrain the larger dog with every ounce of strength that I have, and shouted, “I don’t what he’s capable of!! You need to go!! Quickly!! Now! Run!!!” You’ll never see a Girl Scout run any faster than this girl did.

            • noseinabk

              Hahaha! My 150pound black newfie did not intimidate those jw at all. Now all I have is a passive black lab who couldn’t care less who comes to the door.

            • Frodis73

              Dogs are great for getting rid of people. Lol.

            • Captain Howdy
            • Qbird

              Jimmy. you did it again.

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t know what I did but if it’s bad I didn’t do it.

            • Qbird

              You instigated in me a paroxysm of wild laughter – AGAIN. I actually had to leave the room (AGAIN – same thing happened the night before with your Trollmobile quip) as my giggling was a-gonna wake up Mr. Q. It is a good thing, and you know it.

            • Jimmy3

              You can’t prove that I know anything Q!

        • Jo

          Thanks Q, I’ve never been angry towards them, I just don’t open my door. They usually then post a leaflet and that’s it till next month. There’s a new series starting on ch4 this thurs called, meet the Mormons, looks interesting.

      • Missionary Kid

        A friend of mine will have nothing to do with his sisters because they were such bitches when his parents died. That was prior to them joining the Mormons.

        He says that it’s the nicest cult he knows, and at least they’ll take care of them.

        • Jo

          I don’t know anything about them, they are always polite and friendly. I am curious now.

          • Missionary Kid

            Read up on them. They maintain that Joseph Smith found some silver tablets that set forth their cosmology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism

            It’s an outgrowth of the Second Great Awakening, which also spawned the JWs and 7th day Adventists, IIRC. It was, IMO, the silly season of protestantism in America that was filled with all sorts of weird cults.

            After persecution (and doing their own persecuting) they eventually ended up in Utah, where, IMO, they have pretty much set up their own theocracy in the U.S., as far as it is possible.

            They refer to all non-Mormons as gentiles, a fact that amused a Jewish woman I met who lived there.

            They have their secret rituals, (which everyone knows about), they are clannish, and they support each other economically, while sometimes freezing out “Gentiles” by not patronizing their businesses. They think that they are the true Christians, and everyone else is apostate, which is true for a lot of sects.

            It is a cult, IMO.

    • Baby

      Very interesting Howdy..thank you..

      Well, Thanks alot Mr. another site I can add to my obsession list.. errrrrrrrrrgh..

    • Baby

      If anyone is bored..

      Since it is slow.. I clicked under a thread..( I just escaped) and a poster was commenting about the Abuses in the New Harvest Church.. blah, blah…

      Here is a response that the Pastor’s daughter posted..

      Hello I am Traci Salazar YOUR EX PASTOR’S DAUGHTER…. you know richard
      salazar from new harvest yah him. Okay first off MY CHURCH is not
      authoriative okay?! They follow the principles from the B.I.B.L.E you
      know what that is right?? Okay and the whole people escaping not wanting
      to tell their story yah it’s because IT’S A LIIIEEEE! Alright that’s
      why! Okay and you don’t touch God’s annointed it’s in the bible dear
      alright. So if New Harvest was really that bad then…. wouldn’t he have
      already exposed it???? Ahahaa! Okay now for the whole no accountability
      and all alright there are a board of chairmen there that actually do
      make decisions to oh yah and we have accountants and auditors who see
      all the books because YOU CHURCH PEOPLE love to talk so we make sure
      that everyone knows that companies get to see our books.. now you think
      that if you’d worked there for 8 years you would know that right?! Oh
      yah and we don’t pay under minimum wage darling okay we pay minimum wage
      and OVER MINIMUM WAGE…. the only reason you probably made minimum
      wage was because you didn’t finish high school but it’s okay I’ll
      forgive you for that and God will to hun okay okayyy and if it was so
      depressing you could have left! Many people come and go my parents are
      okay with it they don’t care honestly. By the way congratulations for
      stopping us cause our attendance has grown since you’ve left… like the
      bible says…. “HE CLEANSE HOUSE, ONE WILL LEAVE AND I SHALL SEND TEN
      FOR IT’S PLACE” So thank you so much you’ve actually helped us instead
      of hurting us =D May God have mercy on you honestly and may he bring you
      to repentance and soften your heart. It hurts me and breaks my heart
      hearing you talk about my church and father like that and all we want is
      for respect. I ask that you will just move on and leave us alone, we
      don’t talk about you and your parents so I would like for you to just
      respect us, you don’t have to like us but respect us. I’m sorry if I or
      my family has done anything to you but please just leave us alone.

      • Narapoid

        The last line…. Scientology would had him waive his rights.

      • Robert Eckert
        • Jimmy3

          Holy hell that thread blew up… I commented there on Wednesday and it had plenty of responses, but there a ton of new replies from yesterday and today.

          • Jimmy3

            oh3fiftyone
            Today 8:20pm
            Just a warning. Takei shared this on Facebook. Your comment board might start to look like Facebook threw up on it.
            Well that explains it

        • Baby

          Robert..OMG I was laughing so hard I had tears running down my face..OMG HILARIOUS..

          All they needed was Espi posting about ” Goats..” hahah

      • NOLAGirl

        “..and all we want is for respect.”

        “..because YOU CHURCH PEOPLE love to talk..”

        …the only reason you probably made minimum wage was because you didn’t finish high school..

        So warm, fuzzy and church-like. A cackling bitch acting like a teenager, just what you want in a fellow parishioner.

      • Vaquera

        Baby, now I’m totally sold; Going down that rabbit hole now. I needed something to occupy my mind while making five hour 7-Chili Texas Chili (no beans, no tomatoes) for tomorrow’s World Cup USA v Portugal game.

        • Jimmy3

          How long does that take to make? Also, USA USA USA USA USA USA

          • Vaquera

            Ha! If you count the time it takes to go the North Houston hispanic market for all seven dried chills and hit the local favorite butcher shop…..mmmmm, I’d say it’s a 7 hour 7-chili chill. :-)))))

            • Baby

              Hahahahhaa OMG yes USA for the WIN

            • Vaquera

              ^^^^^ xoxo

            • Missionary Kid

              I take it that it’s also a 7-alarm chili.

    • Vaquera

      Thx CH. I was wondering what I was going to do with my Saturday evening.

    • 1subgenius

      Thanks for this.

      • Captain Howdy

        You’re both very welcome

    • Vaquera

      This new site is so much better than his previous one. Kudos to Mr. Ross.

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    Number 14! YES! Take THAT you fucking crooks!!! Ha ha. I had been hoping for an even 14 for a couple of days, glad to see the scientific experiment to see how many lawsuits will fit up a shitting dwarf’s ass continues. What fun!

    And tomorrow we have Sunday Funnies. :) Life is good!

    • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

      and he’ll file 15 when? sometime in the next 2 weeks?

      • Espiando

        Gotta be this week if it happens. Nobody in a public office does shit Fourth of July week.

      • Sejanus

        My money is riding on him filing one this Thursday.

        • http://www.misstia.com/ Miss Tia

          right before 2pm? :)

          • Sejanus

            Yup..lol

    • 1subgenius

      There’s a mini-fuck-ton of them cases out there.
      A few years back I was contacted to try to find someone an attorney to sue Narconon.
      Much to my regret I failed.
      Humorous story: When the Freewinds/asbestos story was fresh, I contacted the most prominent admiralty firm in Detroit, which also did asbestos cases. Perfect! I thought.
      I found out later that one of the lawyers there is a Scientologist! (Alan Kelman, by name)
      Later still I ran into him as I was raiding an event at the Detroit Ideal Org.

    • Sejanus

      3172 will fit in his ass….

      I hear it is a TARDIS.

      • Espiando

        I’m going for 8472, after the species that Scientologists most resemble in their real form.

        • Captain Howdy

          Huh,I learned something new today.

          • Qbird

            well crap. I got no idea what you guys are talkin’ ’bout here
            .
            A customer at work this evening told me that the mosquitoes were worse in the twin Cities than there were here.

            I down-voted him. But smiled big. hello people.

            • noseinabk

              Google 8472.

            • Qbird

              GTFO – googled those 4 #’s! tks nose – wouldn’t have done that.

            • Nibs Said

              Hey Qbird – Curious to know where the mosquitoes are worse than in the twin cities, but not if it’s none of my beeswax, though.
              Also, what is the bird in your avi?

            • noseinabk

              Kingfisher?

            • Jimmy3

              There are more Mosquitos where there are more and larger bodies of water. Find the Twin Cities on a map and look north of there. The blue is water.

            • Qbird

              i live in up north there then yah sure — in the middle of a wilderness on the CA/USA
              border… in the center of a Trail, in the center of the North American
              continent, at the height of the land, on a lake, next to a bog… just inland of the Great Lake Superior.
              Water, water everywhere, pure sweet water. A lot
              like Alaska in the world class buggage department.
              Funny, I spent a lot of years working / living on the Ocean, when i was young and tough, but ended up living as far from the salt water you can get – ha!

              Kingfisher bird there – a true little fishing bird.

              What about you Nibs – you a city girl?

              And last, how is Ryan Hambo gonna be able to manage all the cases?
              Hell of a job.

            • Nibs Said

              Thank you for the lovely response, Q – yes, a city gal here, So. Cal. Read a bit real quick about the kingfisher, sounds like an interesting bird.
              Like your question about Mr. Hambo – maybe he needs some volunteers?

            • Jimmy3

              You’re a woman?

            • Nibs Said

              Yes. Does it matter?

            • DodoTheLaser

              It’s doesn’t matter to me. Just puzzled how Qbird knew. :)
              I guess woman can spot each other on the internetz.

            • Nibs Said

              I wondered that myself but yeah, it’s funny. So you and Jimmy3 are not female?

            • DodoTheLaser

              lol We are undecided.

            • Nibs Said

              Ha! You’re a funny one

            • DodoTheLaser

              As long as it makes you smile!

            • Nibs Said

              Me and my Nibs avi

            • Qbird

              You’ve seen this Nibs? You must.
              http://youtu.be/Mi6aTe6T5LE

            • Nibs Said

              Qbird – I actually had seen that; thank you for pointing it out, though. There are so many things online to read and watch, and now so many books, too . . . There just aren’t enough hours in the day.

            • Qbird

              I know exactly what you mean Nibs. It is very involved & time consuming, trying to understand the COS, how it came into being, why it exists still today, and then watch how it attracts its prey to this very day.
              However, it is important to ‘find out for yourself’. Ha!
              I admire only one thing about LRH <— that mean, cruel, fucked up sumbitch left a grand paper trail. Study at will.

              Listen, Nibs, you & I have one very important thing in common – besides us being what's called here, never-inz an' all – we both read (saw) Junior's words in that penthouse interview 1983 and everything changed for us right then & there, didn't it? Stumbling upon that document, leading us to other DOX… hearing what the son had to say about the father… listening to real live people here in the bunker telling what they can of their experiences… pretty much told us what we were suspecting all along, given ALL the evidence, that ol' L.Ron was a crappy example of a human being – a mortal, fallible POS man, a bum, a monumental grifter. Not a fine or great leader. He was NOT a gift to mankind. Hubbard was just a person who got filthy rich off of fucking over anyone & everyone that ever had the misfortune to get close to him. Bah! Money lover. User & abuser. Some will to emulate him. That is always of concern. Powerful bad mojo in that dude. The attempted abortion business done kilt me, deep inside Nibs — what he did to his wives, his children, and so so many others, my god, I can't stand it sometimes, because this shit still goes on today.
              His organization IS being exposed tho, every day & this is good news.
              Rest assured, Tony's on it.

              Take it easy Nibs ~

            • Jimmy3

              Not at all, just surprised me. The avatar and the name threw me. I thought I remembered you saying that you started reading about Scientology after reading Nibs’ interview in Penthouse Magazine. I think anyone’s guess would be that you’re a guy. Sorry about that.

            • Nibs Said

              Guess I should have said “interview Nibs gave to Penthouse Mag.” No, haven’t seen an actual Penthouse for many years

            • Jimmy3

              Same here. I used to read them for the articles when I was younger. I guess all the articles are archived online now… But how did you randomly come across a Penthouse article from 1983?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Playboy had some nice articles too. But Internet corrupted it.

            • Nibs Said

              That’s a shame – they only add value to their current product by having a good archeive, IMO

            • Nibs Said

              J3 – Learned about LRH’s sex magick background from, I think, Hollywood Babylon II by Kenneth Anger and wanted to learn more about that early background. When I saw Nibs had given these couple of print interviews, I read them with interest to learn what he had to say about the early days. That lead me to reading Bare-Faced Messiah.

            • Jimmy3

              Ahh. But at first you said Nibs’ interview was what got you interested. That’s why you choose the name “Nibs Said Better Than 90%”. That’s why I was confused.

            • Nibs Said

              Yeah, those two interviews (Nibs’ Penthouse & Washington Post interviews) were the first internet documents I read that started me “down the rabbit hole”

            • Jimmy3

              That makes sense. Whenever I read about a crazy sex magickian cult founder, I think “I better go research his son!” and then I fall into all sorts of holes.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Who knows, Jimmy. With that line of logic, nearly 50% of commenters here fall in that category. Including you. Time tells best.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m not sure which category you mean. When I read something kooky about LRH, I started reading more about LRH, and that’s how I wound up here. But the funnies are here. Enough playing with puppets, for now.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Yeah, funnies.

        • Sejanus

          OK hats off to ya for the win.
          Bioships baby and a liquid universe.
          Infinitely more believable than a 75 billion year old story with H Bombs and DC 8’s and space ghosts.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Now iam all puckered up thinking of how much paper cuts hurt.

  • Espiando

    Oh, God, another day of airport and hotel wi-fi tomorrow. Please, Tony, no Grant Cardone material tomorrow. I know I’ll see his fucking books in a display window at the airport, and that’s enough to make me apply great effort in keeping down my skim latte, extra shot.

    • NOLAGirl

      I noticed a few of your comments at Rinder’s that were not so LRH-friendly. Is this a good sign or did you have more that were not allowed through?

      • Baby

        I’ve had 2 not gone through.. 1 last week..

      • Espiando

        Good sign. I did two LRH-unfriendly posts, Mike cleared two posts. However, I did keep them clean and didn’t directly attack Robin Remoteviewed. My criticism of Margaret Lake was a little oblique and, for me, mild (I didn’t call her “Margaret Flake” or state she was fucking nuts). I’ve even been able to get posts past scnafrica over at the South African blog. I’ve figured out their limits, and I found out that I could work inside of them.

        • NOLAGirl

          Well done. I’m glad Mike is letting your posts through, shows the progress in his thinking.

    • Missionary Kid

      Steal a barf bag from the plane. That might help.

  • Ruby

    Karen and Jeff, great video. Thank you.
    Scott, I am so glad you are here to tell the story. I love your sparkly eyes and spirit.

    • Espiando

      I love Scott’s mustache.

  • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

    . . .

  • Captain Howdy

    Goodnight Davey..Don’t worry..We haven’t forgot about you..It’s coming
    http://youtu.be/ESYEod6c12E

    • noseinabk

      I hesitated to click this link since I had Lullaby of London stuck in my head for days after you posted it. I did maybe replay it 50 times, but blame you anyway.
      Gnight howdy.

      • Captain Howdy

        I changed it to another version. Refresh and check it out

        • noseinabk

          The first one played. This one is not working for me.

          • Qbird

            same here. hear it. like it. gonna listen to it again.

            i got a song for ya ~

            http://youtu.be/hQo347UXkpY

            • noseinabk

              I wanted to replay howdys song and listen to what you posted. Neither link is working now. Anyone Else? My tablet is acting strange, so am going to restart and try again.

            • noseinabk

              Now working for me Q. Pretty.

        • noseinabk

          Oohh. “This is what you’ll get if you mess with us”. Nice.

          • Captain Howdy

            And the beginning is D.M and his numbers game.

            “Karma police, arrest this man
            He talks in maths”

    • Frodis73

      Too perfect.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Thanks for the ear-worm…I’m gonna be singing this all night now :)

  • Frodis73

    OT: I had to share this for all of you who love doggies!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DePFiF-nNoE&list=LL5tWPFlrD9TPzJpetY4ZmWA&feature=share

    • TheMirrorThetan

      So cute.The kitty with them cracks me up :)

  • DodoTheLaser

    One of the perks of being declared SP, if I ever go nuts, I will be treated by real doctors.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X ***
    While we wait for Tony O’s Sunday’s funnies coffee is served at wwp

    Boston has been spamming their BS, go and get them
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466243

    If you have flagged the daily list, browse through the alerts and whack them.
    If have not yet been through Saturday’s daily list you will find it here:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466175

    OBSTRUCT / PREVENT / RED X, these nefarious and fraudulent adverts.

    Ty Chutney

  • DodoTheLaser

    28 minutes ago from Karen De La Carriere:

    “Coming soon… amazing INT Base stories and anecdotes from Steve Hall for YouTube and podcasts.
    Also coming other Sea org members, (Int Base) interviews fresh faces not previously interviewed!
    Wow on some of the stories…”

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Sunday the 22nd of June

    While we wait for Sunday’s funnies, come for coffee at wwp.
    Today’s list of nefarious co$ adverts is ready for your attention,
    Join us and FLAG as PROHIBITED these fraudulent and evil adverts.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-94#post-2466351

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty AP

  • Patty Moher

    I don’t have a video of the 2002 Birthday event, but here’s a report I wrote about it.

    http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/cult-birthday2002.htm

  • TDA1541A

    Somebody remarked that the picture of David Miscavige shooped as a hooker was gone of the internet. It could be that the woman in the original picture gott fed up on it.

    I traced the picture back to a 2001 joke about a girl sending in a job application:

    Job Application

    Deer Sir,

    I waunt to apply for the
    secritary job what I saw in the paper. I can Type real
    quik wit one finggar
    and do sum counting.

    I think I am good on the phone and no I am a people
    person, Pepole really
    seam to respond to me well.

    I´m
    lookin for a Jobb as a
    secritary but it musent
    be to complicaited.

    I no my spelling is not to good but find that I
    Offen can get a job thru my
    persinalety. My salerery is open so we can
    discus wat you want to pay me and
    wat you think that I am werth,

    I can start imeditely. Thank you in
    advanse fore yore anser.
    .

    hopifuly
    Yore best aplicant so farr.

    Sinseerly,

    Peggy May Starlings

    PS :
    Because my resimay is a bit short – below is a
    pickture of me taken at my last
    jobb.

    http://www.garysdetecting.co.uk/fun_stuff.htmgirl.jpg

    Employer’s response:……

    Dear Peggy May,

    It’s OK honey, we’ve got spell check

    • Missionary Kid

      Yup, that’s the picture, but it had Mustravige’s face shooped on it.

    • media_lush

      I think that it might have been one of mine… I’ll have to check….

      • TDA1541A

        The whole 2001 website or the shoop ?

        • media_lush

          Just that shoop… I’m on iPad … It would be on my iMac so will check later

    • Mooser

      Why do I hear Bob Hope singing a slightly-altered version of his signature song? Oh well, I haven’t got time to worry about it.

  • FOTF2012

    Another hard hitting video from Karen de la Carriere. My only concern was that Carol Nyburg appeared to be saying that all the harsh treatment of Sea Org members was coming from David Miscavige, and that everyone was afraid due to Miscavige.

    While I think that is true, I am convinced, by a number of firsthand reports, that the horrid treatment began with the “Founder” — L. Ron Hubbard.

    Miscavige can be described as the EP (“end phenomena, or desired outcome) of Hubbard’s “technology.”

    • Mark Foster

      Yes, there are tons of accounts of abuse in various Scientology organizations from LRH´s time. It´s a matter of POLICY. Yeah, in Scientologese, Fuckedbaggage is dramatizing the winning valence…