Subscription options

Facebook

Subscribe to our e-mail list

To join our email list and get updates on new stories, send a message to newstory@tonyortega.org.

Ryan Hamilton files lawsuit number eleven against Scientology’s drug rehab network

Ryan Hamilton

Ryan Hamilton

Las Vegas attorney Ryan Hamilton isn’t slowing down. He’s filed another federal fraud lawsuit against Scientology’s drug rehab facility in Nevada — Rainbow Canyon Retreat in the remote town of Caliente — bringing to eleven the suits he’s filed in recent months against similar centers in California and Colorado.

Once again, the details are similar to the other suits. For years, the “Narconon” rehab network has been telling people that it delivers drug counseling when it actually has patients go through Scientology training and also subjects them to an unscientific sauna-and-vitamins regimen.

One of the first suits that Hamilton filed faced a motion to dismiss (Scientology complained that it was “too detailed”), but the suit survived that motion. Hamilton clearly is confident that he’s hit on a winning formula against the church’s rehab system.

In this lawsuit, Lori Winchell complains that she was deceived by Narconon when she went looking for a treatment center for her son, Ryan, in June 2012.

She spoke to an intake counselor at Rainbow Canyon Retreat who made the usual misleading promises about the Narconon network — that her son would receive drug counseling under the care of medical personnel, for example. She was also told the usual line about Narconon having a 76-percent success rate. And she was told that the program’s “New Life Detoxification Program” — a regimen of sauna use and vitamins — had a scientific basis.

Lori was asked to pay $32,500 for her son’s treatment, but she didn’t have that much money. She was told to take out new credit cards to raise the money.

Once her son went to Rainbow Canyon Retreat, he found what other “students” there do — that instead of drug counseling, patients receive Scientology training instead, and delivered by staff members who are for the most part former patients. There are no licensed medical personnel on hand.

Hamilton refers to previous lawsuits, which brought out testimony that Narconon’s program is unscientific and even potentially dangerous.

Ryan escaped from Fresh Start on foot in the Summer of [2012], walking eight miles in the summer heat from Fresh Start’s remote facility to Caliente, Nevada. He was forced to drink from streams to avoid dehydration. Ryan has suffered both serious physical and mental injuries from his participation in the treatment program at Fresh Start.

Here’s the complaint…

 

Winchell v. Narconon: Complaint

 
By our count, that’s eleven federal fraud lawsuits Hamilton has filed against Narconon in California, Nevada, and Colorado.

Angelo Amato (San Diego)
Christy Estrada and Branden Chavez (San Diego)
Cathy and Michael Tarr (Nevada)
Harry and Lauren Geanacopulos (Nevada)
David, Stacy, and Jack Welch (Nevada)
Bryan and Nikki Mott (Colorado)
Charles and Tyler Matthys, and Linda Phillips (Colorado)
Kenneth and Jered Mowery (Watsonville, CA)
Robin Jones, James Ramirez Sr. and Jr. (Watsonville, CA)
Charis Yates, Beret and Dean Pugh (Nevada)

 
——————–

Posted by Tony Ortega on June 2, 2014 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94@gmail.com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS (We read Scientology’s founding text) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25

UP THE BRIDGE (Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN (Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING (Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer

 

Share Button
  • Eivol Ekdal
    • 1subgenius

      “Spinal Tap” reference for the win.

    • Chee Chalker

      Hey dm….things just got “one louder”. Wow, I can think of some pretty good witnesses for the plaintiffs….just call up the every accrediting body that Narconon lists on their websites, like NAFC (that’s the one also suing Narconon, right?) and ask what their affiliation is with Narconon. That will be good for some laughs.

      “so, let me understand, Narconon claims that their counselors were all accredited through your organization and that is false?”. “you sent Narconon a cease and desist letter and it was ignored?”.

      Fish in a barrel

      • 1subgenius

        And served on a silver platter. Yum.

      • The crooks are attempting to scrub some of their fraudulent web sites of the claim, the Wayback Machine shows that some of these crooks were ordered to stop that particular fraudulent lie and they have removed it.

  • 1subgenius

    Ryan is super cool, awesome, has the strength of ten men, and in his spare time operates a steel mill single-handed.
    Is there nothing he can’t do?

  • Sir_Real

    Ryan Hamilton, Esq. is KSW. (Keeping Scientology Worried.)

    • Keeping Scientology Waning

      Ooooo..I like that even better than my screen name….. Oooooooo yes!!

    • 🙂 I wonder if Scientology’s ringleaders are telling the sheep that Hambo is “an outworlder” like they did when talking about Robert Minton and Stacey Brooks. 🙂 Would not surprise me. Aliens from the Marcabian Invasion Fleet have svp3r p0w3rz which is why Scientology can’t stop them.

  • For decades, the Cult of Eternal Litigation depended on lawyers to wear down their opponents. Now they’re getting it back, a death of a thousand+ cuts that they cannot stop. If I won the lottery I’d fund as many suits against them as I could.

    • Sejanus

      I said that just last night while having some friends over!
      How ironic…lol

      • Great minds… 🙂 And how badly Hubbard died? For Miscavige, it will be much worse. I keep seeing him in prison, getting very, very abused. It’s his worst fear, and it continues to build in his mind – he’s creating it and it will manifest.

        • Barbara Angel

          Basically mustravage is a cowardly bully, I say he’ll do a runner.
          Just a little paragraph from Jon Atack’s A Piece of Blue Sky concerning blubbard. Sounds as tho’ he and mustravage are cut from the same cloth.
          “Hubbard (insert mustravage here) was a paranoid, power hungry, petty sadist who paraded his inadequacies through ever more frequent tantrums. Revelling in his disciples’ adulation, he spent his last years in seclusion, surrounded by sycophants”.

          • Barbara, I think people often give the dwarf too much credit, as though he’ll apply the Power Change formula and retreat to Bulgravia, laughing all the way. He’s not that smart. He’s simply treacherous. But every action has an equal an opposite reaction and just as Elwrong suffered his own private hell, so will the dwarf. Don’t buy the facade, he’s a miserable little dictator, and they never end up well.

            • philosofa

              I hear there are no extradition treaties with Bulgravia.

            • Barbara Angel

              Much bigger fear than that, no one knows who he is or even what he looks like here in Australia. I’m really scared he’ll spend his days hiding over here, instead of facing Court.
              Bubba would be so very disappointed, he’s been waiting years for his new cell mate.

            • philosofa

              I suspect it’s a toss up what would get to him most…the fact that a wog-Court could force His Lowness to run away in order to avoid being forced to appear in court. Or the fact that most down-to-earth Aussies don’t even have a clue what the ‘Biggest Being’ on the planet looks like or how very, very, very important he is. My heart bleeds.

            • NOLAGirl

              If he hides he’ll do it somewhere that will be difficult to get extradited from. We have good relations with Australia, I doubt they’re going to feel that much sympathy for him and not hand him over to U.S. law enforcement.

              Dave’s not going up for anything that is going to give him the death penalty so he’s going to have hard time finding a country to hide him unless it’s one that can be bought and there are few.

            • he might just get on the freewinds and stay in international waters and truly become ‘captain blackheart’…..

            • ze moo

              If he does, one day a Coast Guard cutter will pull along side and a boarding party will drag him from his spider hole. If Davy ever escapes an indictment, he’ll have to go somewhere that has no extradition treaty with the US.

              http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/06/11/best-countries-no-extradition-edward-snowden-prism-nsa/

              I could see Davy in Croatia….

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes, as I speculated before, Croatia would be ideal. No extradition treaty, great exchange rate, nice place as long as the ethic stuff stays in check.

            • ze moo

              The payoffs to the local mafia and government officials are the only drawback. Who can a paranoid trust?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              With the amount of ready cash they will “Think” he has for pay-offs and bribes, the protection money required will continually escalate. Once he pays, it will grow into a far greater danger to his life than facing the us justice system could ever be.

            • maybe he could hide in the anchor box? i know HE didn’t order kids to be held there….but yeah, he could go hide in there and someone could lock him in….

            • Zana

              It would be wonderful if they found him hiding in the anchor room under the decks where they send the children to punish them.

            • Once_Born

              If he did, his vessel would have to registered under a flag that did not have extradition treaties with the US – on the high seas you are subject to the laws of the country where your ship is registered.

              He would also have a difficult task keeping the vessel re-supplied and maintained. Since he’s not not capable of organising a convivial evening in a brewery, I doubt he could manage that sort of voyage.

            • that’s an excellent point re: registering the flag somewhere w/o an extradition treaty, i didn’t think of that….

            • Once_Born

              Also, a ship can be boarded, and arrests made by any nation, if it is suspected of involvement with human trafficking. Now there’s a potential loophole…

            • truly a potential loophole, especially when those are the ship are victims of human trafficking…..

            • Elar Aitch

              Bryan Seymour wouldn’t let him

            • Once_Born

              Whenever there is a discussion about Miscavige’s supposed endgame, I think of Nicolae Ceausescu being dragged off to face a firing squad, all the while lecturing his grim-faced executioners about how they should be grateful to him – or Saddam Hussain telling the US special forces who dug him out hidey-hole in the ground that he was “President of Iraq”, somehow expecting them to be impressed.

              Like miscavige, they had both lost touch with reality, and could not even imagine that they would be called to account.

              Miscavige is evidently not competent enough to formulate an effective escape plan – which would be next to impossible in a networked world in any case (even if he abandoned all that money). If he was capable of doing this, Scientology would not be in the dire straits that it is now.

              If I’m wrong about this, I’ll track him down personally.

            • Jgg2012

              I think that he will go the way of LRH–hide in some remote building in inland California, where he cannot be found. TC will send him any money he needs. I don’t think that he will be giving speeches to 1000s of people in 10 years–more like Pouw or Allen Cartwright speaking to a few hundred.

            • Once_Born

              Hiding in this way is what gave Miscavige the opportunity to seize power from Hubbard in the first place. No reason the same thing couldn’t happen to him.

            • Jgg2012

              His death and/or absence will lead to disintegration. The lawsuits from locals saying they were fraudulently induced to donate, and other lawsuits, as well as the fight for control, will ruin it.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              I think if Miscavige runs, most of the remaining members will run the other way, including his most trusted “lieutenants.” I think they will be crawling over each other seeking to make the first deal for immunity. Miscavige may have a game plan, but who can he trust with it? LRH had thousands of supporters while in hiding, who will Miscavige have? John Allende? Louis Farrakhan? His wife?

            • Jgg2012

              “Miscavige may have a game plan, but who can he trust with it?” His BFF, Tom Cruise.

            • Espiando

              I’ve always said that there was a reason why they bought Kyalami Castle in South Africa, and it wasn’t for the purpose of establishing the Advanced Org Africa. It appeals to his ego to rule over his empire in a castle, they speak English there (so no having to learn more wog moonspeak), and the judges are easily bribed.

            • Jgg2012

              That may be where he hides his money so that he can come back and get it in his next life.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Maybe he will put the Sea Org back at sea?

            I can almost hear the gold bullion being stuffed into the gym bags. An announcement that he will be relocating the Scientology mecca to a Caribbean Island that has no extradition agreement with the US wouldn’t surprise me at all. But I can also imagine the justice department, at long last, not swooping but perhaps meandering over and throwing him in the hoosegow. I hope so.

            Jon Atack had it right. He wasn’t just throwing around adjectives. I check off each and every modifier as also applying to Miscavige.

        • 1subgenius

          Acceptance of abuse in prison is atrocious.
          Prison is a place of punishment, not for punishment.

          • I’m sure Lil Davey will find it very unacceptable. So when it happens, you run right in there and protest on his behalf.

        • Ruby Grapefruit

          I hope Davey drops the soap a whole bunch of times in those communal jail showers.

        • rom661

          How badly did Hubbard die? I wish we really knew. Obviously it was a strange situation, but I doubt that we will ever truly know. The supposed heirs to the throne were dethroned by Miscavige and they are probably the only ones who could truly say. Even those who are considered absolute experts, like Marty Rathbun, never met Hubbard and can shed little light on what actually went down.

          • I believe what Clear #4 told me, who used to be his secretary at St. Hill, who got the guy into $cientology who was with him at the end. The impression I got was dementia, screaming at “body thetans,” very nuts, with Dr. Gene Denk occasionally jamming him with medicine to try to cool him off. In short, “Dianetics, Modern Science of Mental Health” and everything else he came up with was TOTAL BULLSHIT and the dragons he created ate him alive. And my guess is – they still are, in whatever hell he’s in.

            • rom661

              Please don’t take this the wrong way – Miscavige vs. Hubbard – what’s to like? Miscavige in many ways followed Hubbard but without the charisma that Hubbard supposedly had. I never completely got it, or at least not for very long, but look at how many considered Reagan the great communicator when I considered him a buffoon. I’m obviously outvoted there. I believe Hubbard was in some regards a genius, but not in the ways the church says. I think he was a brilliant charlatan. During the most productive part of his life he worked incredible hours producing this insanity. However, he was nuts, sadistic, possibly a psychopath. It’s one of the things that confuses me with later generations of Scientologists who blame Miscavige for everything. Yeah, he’s the devil’s spawn, but Hubbard was the fucking devil! Incidentally, the defenders of Hubbard like to point out that he had been injected with Vistaril, which is an antihistamine. Innocent. This is true. However it was virtually never used for that purpose and was more often used for the kind of mental issues that Hubbard had. Sorry, I start ranting and you don’t have my off switch. Best, Rick

            • You’re misinformed. Hubbard told people he worked incredible hours. I heard differently from people on the Apollo. He claimed he did “research” late night hours. That gave him an excuse to sleep in as long as he wanted. Other times he was high on pills and put in lots of hours. Hitler was a “genius” in the manner you describe. He also fooled a helluva lot of people who were looking for a better life. As for blaming Miscavige for everything, those are mostly people who got in when young and believe the great “Ron” was benevolent. They just don’t realize he disguised his greed and insanity and Miscavige doesn’t nearly as much. As for Reagan, read what he actually wrote some time. Far from a buffoon, but if you’re a knee-jerk liberal you couldn’t possibly admit that. You have to judge people for what they pull off – like Obama’s people pulled off excellent demographic mapping bordering on brilliant last election. Hubbard was a brilliant charlatan. Miscavige is a less brilliant one, but he’s closer to done than most think.

            • rom661

              I may well be misinformed. It certainly didn’t come from the Scientology side. I never knowingly met anyone who was on the Apollo with him so I would say your sources are better than mine, even though mine are books very critical of Hubbard. As for Reagan, yes, I’m liberal. Not stupidly so. I have read very little of what he has written. I was basically referring to his image and speeches, where I thought he came across as a buffoon. Of course, I thought Jimmy Carter was a good man. Horrific president. but… I’m sorry, but Iran Contra and the incredible debt he ran up do kind of make me anti-Reagan, but let’s not do politics here and I am sorry I brought it up. I think Miscavige tries to make it in brute force what Hubbard had some kind of bizarre gift for. I hope you’re right on close to done. Night.

            • You might not be misinformed, maybe under-informed. I knew a lot of people who were close to Hubbard. Many told the same stories, independently of each other at different times. With Reagan, when I read some of his diaries it was obvious he wasn’t a buffoon but pretty bright. When younger, he used to “broadcast” sports on the radio even though the game had already happened, and made it sound like it was happening. As for debt, what do you think Presidents do? It’s been going nuts under Obama, went way up under GW. Personally, I’m relatively convinced the last four Presidents have been kind of owned by the Saudis. But on $cientology you have to dig as deep into finding out from people who were THERE. Like Marc Headley about Miscavige – fascinating facts. I saw Hubbard once – he drove by the Wilcox Hotel in Hollywood where I was standing Quartermaster (guard) duty all night in the lobby. It’s where CC staff lived. He drove too fast, didn’t want to be seen, hit a dip and banged his head on the top of the closed top. I thought I was imagining it, then I learned from Mary Sue’s “communicator” Nikki Merwin who I dated that Hubbard was in the area at the time looking for property. A roommate of mine later saw Hubbard and Nikki together in a car in Beachwood Village. Finally, Hubbard gave it up and told Nikki “Nah! Too many $cientologists!” There’s Hubbard for you, in spades.

            • rom661

              Interesting book by Scott McClellan, GW’s first press secy. He was castigated by the right for his “tell all” book. In reality he liked Bush. Had an issue with him over the Valerie Plame thing, but generally admired him. The point of the book was that for the last four or five administrations, politics too precedence over all else. Used to be, politics to get elected, then governance. The point of the book was that for the last 30 or 40 years it’s been all politics, all the time. Screw governing. Interesting background; his mother was a Reagan Republican, first woman mayor of Austin. His dad was a senior partner in a Dallas law firm that represent LBJ. He wrote a book that basically stated that there was evidence in the sealed files that LBJ was involved in the assassination. WTF? I think we’re all programmed to ignore the real issues, but, again politics. Is the Wilcox where I lived the last few months I was in? The SO ended up moving from the Manor, later Celebrity Centre, to the basement. More or less across the street from the Chinese theater. Do you remember the e-meter folks I worked for? Just curious. Jae had been a Playboy Playmate. Wow. OT and a playmate. What more could you want at age 20?.

            • No, the Wilcox Hotel is at the corner of Wilcox and Selma across the street from the Hollywood post office. Politics all the time has been going on since Kennedy but I give Reagan, Thatcher, and (more than either) the Pope for breaking the back of the USSr. Nixon just got caught doing dirty shit Dems did, too. My uncle in Dallas was a good friend of LBJ, who was a totally evil SOB who hated the Kennedys. Damn straight he was involved – look on YouTube, his mistress explains it, and my uncle told me long ago how much LBJ hated JFK – didn’t talk to him for 6 mos. before San Antonio, then gave Jackie roses and was Mr. Congeniality. When you make millions and millions like Hubbard did, you learn how things really work in this world, and it ain’t particularly pretty. Thank God for the exposures of the Internet.

            • TDA1541A
            • rom661

              Can’t remember the name of the hotel they bought not long before I left. I was sleeping on the third floor facing Hollywood Blvd. and didn’t need any other entertainment. LBJ’s mistress has long been proven to be completely full of it. Virtually none of her story adds up. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t involved – there was a murder in TX that could fairly easily be tied back to him. However her story is bogus. Yes, LBJ hated the Kennedy’s, perhaps Bobby more than Jack. Evil man.

            • rom661

              I need to read the Headley book. One of the few I haven’t read. Don’t really know why. I will do so.

            • Once_Born
    • Missionary Kid

      Cult of Eternal Litigation is a new nickname for $cientology. I’ll post it later.

    • philosofa

      “Cult of Eternal Litigation”

      Superbly snarky! Calling Missionary Kid…calling MK to the Bunker snark phone…

      • Missionary Kid

        I beat you by seconds. I’ve been up nearly all night, taking a friend two the ER & home. I’m going to bed now.

        • philosofa

          I saw that! Sleep well and sweet dreams.

          EDIT: Such a good friend as well as a Compiler Of Immortal Lists.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks, good night.

          • Pierrot

            Please check at wwp

    • Filing is good in preparation for bringing the turkey to the chopping block.

      http://www.leevalley.com/us/images/item/Woodworking/Sharpening/62W3230s03.jpg

    • Brian Thomas Lambert

      I have thought the same thing Skip. Litigation has been Scientology’s weapon of mass destruction. Karmically, it is springloaded to slap back with the ferocity of every family and person caused pain and suffering from this poor excuse of a human being playing the game of evil.

      It won’t be pretty, but will cause a sigh of relief to those craving the final act.

      Scientology will be studied as a destructive cult for decades to come.

      • You’re right, Brian. One of the things that I like best about Ortega’s bunker is that it will be such an amazing repository of opinion and facts for future study.

        • Brian Thomas Lambert

          And the Elephant in the room is Hubbard. His black ops “tech” is raw meat for the feeding frenzy of sociopaths. And instructions on how to change a decent person into a dangerous wounded animal.

          Miscavige is later on the chain as they say. Basic Basic is Hubbard.

          • Elwrong isn’t Basic Basic – he’s Basic Bullshit. 🙂

    • If I won a lottery I’d re-open the Lisa McPherson Trust, see about getting some families re-connected, and with any funds left over, help to funnel victims in to more Narconon lawsuits, yep! Love seeing number 11 slap Mr. Slappy.

    • TDA1541A
    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Good to see you back Skip.

      All the shit the cult gave out over the years is coming back to them. Slappy not only dismantled the Int management but sealed his fate in the process. The only people capable to suppressing the lawsuits are either in the ‘Hole’ or they’ve fled. His 2 best pit bulls, Marty and Mike are now on the other side of the fence turning on their former master.

      Now all the dwarf has are a bunch of ‘clubbed seals’ that yes him to death. Every decision he makes brings about more problems. He’s his own worst enemy.

      There’s no escape, Slappy.

  • Observer

    Atrocity. That’s the only word I can come up with. Keep shining that light, Ryan. You’re literally saving lives. Heh.

    THIS IS VEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!

    • Qbird

      oh Obs! as usual, damn fine funny sh*t. This image will stick with me. This and the Hambo-Rambo.

  • Sejanus

    I was just thinking…hmm wonder if Ryan will hit 11 today.
    He did not disappoint.

    The truly sad thing in all of this is how many more victims of Narconon are remaining silent.
    Damn though I really am hoping that Dirty Mismanage gets deposed…again…and again…and again…and….

    Well you get the idea.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      The smell of money should make a lot more victims start talking.

      • Bankruptcy will be declared, so victims who need to get their money back need to sue early and sue often.

        • ze moo

          The physical property of the rehab is then at risk. While NarCONon International or the CO$ may be the ultimate ‘owners’, the property can be seized and auctioned off to pay the judgement. With so many potential plaintiffs, Hambo has gotten in early on a growing market.

    • Missionary Kid

      Dirty Mismanage is a new dm nickname. I’ll post it later.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Weren’t there some Bunker wagers as to when Hambo would file his next lawsuit? If so, Who Won the Wager? (Or were the wagers on something else- there is so much going on it is hard to keep track…)

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    “One of the first suits that Hamilton filed faced a motion to dismiss
    (Scientology complained that it was “too detailed”), but the suit
    survived that motion.”

    Cos should’ve answered a few other lawsuits by now, no? If so, are they cookie-cutting the “too detailed” argument, or going various routes?

    • Observer

      They don’t seem to be doing much at all. The Eye of Sauron-Miscavige appears to be turned elsewhere.

      • stanrogers

        Oh, good. That means the precious is in Mordor, and Frodo (whoever he or she turns out to be) has gotten through Cirith Ungol. It’s just a matter of getting past all of the Gollums now.

      • David may be searching for his wife Shelley.

        Oh wait…

  • Elar Aitch

    Some say his skin has the texture of a dolphin’s, and that wherever you are in the world, if you tune your radio to 88.4, you can actually hear his thoughts… all we know is, he’s called the Hambo.

    • Espiando

      And he’s the most interesting nerd in the world, non-Big Bang Theory division.

    • 1subgenius

      I kneel to touch the hem of his garment.
      And its a hell of a hem.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        I kneel to touch the hem of his varmints.
        And they are some varmints.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      top gear stig reference for the win 🙂

  • Espiando

    New month, new suit. He’s now got enough of them out there to open a Men’s Wearhouse, that damned elusive Hamilton. And, eerily, no attack website from the cult, no papering his neighborhood with any “crimes” they’ve found, no telling his girlfirend that he’s hanging out with hookers and is riddled with STDs. Could he be bulletproof, or is OSA’s clown car in for repairs?

    Hambo strikes again. Between him and David Love, Narconon Int can’t and won’t survive the assault.

    • Douglas D. Douglas
    • probably the clown car is in for repairs….they canNOT change tactics, as their tactics are written on titanium plates and can’t be changed…..they are predictable with what they do—it’s just a matter of WHEN they do it…..

    • Send in the Squirrel Busters! That worked so well the last time.

      • Espiando

        You have to admit that Hambo is practicing squirrel tech. It’s supposed to be Scientology as the plaintiff in a multitude of suits.

        Oh, the irony burns, burns, burns…a ring of fire, Scilons, not a Wall of Fire.

  • Good luck to Hamilton and to all the victims of the money-making front for the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. At least the parent was told to take out a new credit card (as opposed to the Co$ doing that directly, impersonating the victim, as has been alleged elsewhere).

  • sugarplumfairy

    He looks a lot like Clark Kent.. Wonder what he looks like in his cape and tights..

    • FromPolandWithLove

      naughty, You…;p

      • joan nieman

        Fairy is just wondering out loud!

    • on his chest is SP instead of the S! 🙂 SP for SUPER POWER!!! 🙂

    • rom661

      I shouldn’t say this, love what he’s doing, but my first response to his picture was that he looks a little like a Scientologist. Funny in a warped way. I’m probably the only one who had that thought so it probably says more about me than him….

  • Once_Born

    I love the way Mr Hamilton is carefully establishing the connection between Narconon and Scientology (training routines, clay demos, the fact that ‘coursework’ consist s of books by Hubbard &c) at this stage. He has already made a definite connection between Narconon and ABLE. Even the possibility of his going from ABLE to Scientology to Miscavige in court must already be ringing alarm bells (as I suspect it is intended to).

    Also the account of the victim “suffering seizures” reminded me of visiting a friend, suffering from advanced alcoholism, during his medical detox. He was treated with tranquillisers and muscle relaxants – and was out for the count for several days – specifically to avoid seizures.

    Risking the life of someone who is in your care by neglecting to properly address the risk of seizure is inexcusable.

    • Espiando

      The only roadblock that I can see right now is the fact that Delirious Megalomaniac has Rena Weinberg, President ABLE Int, in the Hole and can pull her out when need be to throw her under the bus. Does he dare to do that, though? Just read about Rena at the South African blog in their latest piece. She’s a Lou Suckhiscock type, one tough cookie who might just try to throw the midget under the bus before she gets hit.

      This little chess match isn’t at the grandmaster level that the one in Texas is, but it’s entertaining to watch all the same.

      • Missionary Kid

        Delirious Megalomaniac is a new nickname for dm. I’ll post it later.

      • if Rena gets out of the hole, let’s hope she does a Rinder and just keeps walking!!!!

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        You know, Lou, having been in the G.O., would have prior allegiance to Mary Sue and hubbard. I wonder if she is playing a long term game of her own? Could be.

      • I can’t imagine there is any clam that David can trust at this point, nobody he can pick as a fallclam to take the hit for him, not unless he pays some clam a huge amount of money to admit he’s (the paid clam) is in charge of NarCONon and that David “had no knowledge of these frauds.”

      • Narapoid

        I believe his plan is to throw all of the Degraded from the Hole under the bus. Pre-signed blank contracts and shit stick thinks he’s off. He may be working to brainwash those in the hole to do just that. Can it work for him?

        He will burn the whole thing down to escape.

    • Juicer77

      Yah. Tory Christman knows this all too well.

    • flyonthewall

      Ryan wasn’t making the ABLE connection in the earlier suits, he just started roping them in starting in Apr. He is learning and widening the net. How wide will it go only Xenu knows

      • D.Y.G.

        I’m wondering how long it will be til he starts adding the faked certifications to the lawsuits.

        • NOLAGirl

          I’m hope we hear soon what the decision is on the injunction that the NAFC asked for. I don’t know if it will do much other than force them to take any and all NAFC affiliation off their walls, websites, etc. But any kick in the nads to Dave and guys like Per Wickstrom…I’m happy with.

          • Once_Born

            From what Ii remember of the NAFC complaint they were asking for all kinds of damages – up to and including redress for the damage inflicted upon their reputation.

            It they succeed it will be damning in itself if a court finds that merely being fraudulently associated with Narconon is enough to ruin the image of a respectable organisation.

            • Depending on how honest CARF is, they should be thinking about issuing a statement explaining that their certification only covers the physical location and initial phase, not the treatment plan itself. However, Narconon has been misusing that certification for decades and CARF hasn’t said a thing, so…

            • CARF may have had to wait until they could show actual damages, actual financial harm caused by Scientology fraudulently claiming CARF certification. CARF may have that evidence in hand now.

            • They don’t even have to mention Narconon by name, just a general statement of what a CARF certification is and is not.

          • flyonthewall

            That would be only 1 step and Narc may take it themselves, prob have already. It would be hilarious if this went to court and the bogus certs were still in use. Fron NAFC pov damage is done and they want to be paid. I just hope they dont get shutdown for trying to connect Miscavige/RTC like what happened in GA. I’m sure they looked at that decision and tweeked their approach though

        • flyonthewall

          That would be a beautiful thing, I don’t see a reason why he wouldn’t. The gall of these Narc bastards is just unbelievable, did they really think they could just do whatever they want forever and get away with it!?

          • D.Y.G.

            I think they did, yes. There’s a lot of arrogance and even more stupidity.

            • Zana

              Yes. and they live in a bubble. They think they are protected by the massive Scientology organization. They have no idea that we are all looking at them from the internet. They live in a FISHbowl bubble. The right hand has no idea what the left hand or the feet are doing. They are just “trusting” that somebody knows something and they are filing their tiny cog in the huge organization that is “saving the world.” They are blinded by their own decision to not look.

              I love the Mark Twain quote on Mike Rinder’s blog this morning:

              “It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain

      • Once_Born

        This, I suppose, is an advantage of filing a number of separate complaints instead of a class action. If the first case fails, you can learn from your mistakes. If it succeeds, you start the next case with the advantage of precedent – and everything you learn along the way adds to you expertise.

        It’s a long game, but a good strategy.

        • Zana

          Plus… it plays the same game as Co$ does… load them down with law suits. Distract them. Hit them again and again from every angle. It’s good. Brilliant work.

          • Once_Born

            The crucial difference is that the victims have a case that will win (hands down). I can understand their taking the money but I hope, one day, someone will take a stand on principle and see them in court.

            • Zana

              I think they would make a lot more if they did not take a bargain. Wasn’t there one of the lawsuits that required a Jury Trial? I can’t remember which one it was.

              This is extraordinary drama. No matter how long it takes… It is surprising at every turn. It’s like drilling lots of holes in the foundation of a large building. At one point one of the holes will start to give which will strain the other holes which will strain more and then pretty soon the whole thing will start to collapse. Who knows how long it will take. We just have to keep drilling holes and more holes and more tunnels and more holes… And then there will be a tipping point and the whole thing will start to implode. Who knows how long it will take? Or what will be left? That’s why it’s so riviting.

              Let’s just keep drilling holes and tunnels.

        • A class action might not yield enough financial damages to stop the allged fraudulent behavior stipulated in the suits whereas many lawsuits seeking a return of money swindled from victims and punitive damages holds a better, higher dollar amount, I think, enough to get the Scientology organization to stop hurting people with their NarCONon.

    • xen

      Eleven ongoing lawsuits against the same corporation. I’m not a lawyer so if someone knows this, please step in .. is 11 lawsuits going at once a burden for a firm the size of Mr. Hamilton’s? Does he run the planning and assign other lawyers to appear in court or to do research? I’ll bet he’s busier than a one-armed paperhanger.

      • Paralegal employees and interns could very well handle a great deal of the documentation effort, with experienced oversight. Since the law firm looks like it is a professional and competent one, they will be keeping each case isolated from the others on each cases’ merits.

        As the number of Federal lawsuits passes 500, they’ll add more interns. 🙂

        • Tina

          Do you think all these lawsuits might invoke the RICO act? What a wonderful thought.

          • D.Y.G.

            They’re invoking civil RICO for mail and wire fraud in the lawsuits.

        • D.Y.G.

          There’s also a second attorney handling cases – Jonathan Little, based in Indianapolis.

  • RadioPaul1

    Good morning COB, here is your coffee and news paper.
    Reads headline
    “WE HAVE BEEN SUED AGAIN !”
    Things are broken, knees punched and are ankles bitten

    • L Mignacca

      does anyone ever dare to hit that little fucker back?

      • Barbara Angel

        Apparently not, he has his goons standing by.
        Plus the result would be the RPF for the next decade.
        He can dish it out but definitely not take it.

        • Juicer77

          I’m impulsive, but I’d spend those years on the RPF if it meant I could land him a good one in the ‘nads.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            That would be a low blow 🙂

            • EnthralledObserver

              I see what you did there…

          • Barbara Angel

            Hahaha doubt if the little shit slappy would recover from the Shock of someone standing up to him and giving him a taste of his own medicine. Would love to see it tho’.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You realize this assumes he has ‘nads, and that they can be located.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              Bring a magnifying glass.

      • pluvo

        No, he has constantly a devoted entourage and security guards around him who would stop at nothing to protect him.

        • Not just guards, but other staff who haven’t reached their snapping point. Unlike Miscavige, normal people signal their intentions, so it would take someone like him who simply strikes without warning.

          • pluvo

            “not just guards”
            Yes, the devoted entourage would also stop at nothing to protect their Fuehrer. They can only be around him because they are dedicated sycophants; everybody else he got rid off.

            • Zana

              Whew. That is scary. Bizarre. What can they be thinking? Or NOT thinking?

      • RadioPaul1

        it is hard to bend over that far.

      • Marc started to but David’s goons held him in check long enough for David to apologize to avoid a good (and much deserved) bloody beating.

    • Underoos are soiled.

  • RadioPaul1

    Sue me one more Fu@king time, I dare you!

    • Espiando

      That would be Dirty Dozen and Dirty Sanchez rolled into one.

    • 1subgenius

      “Bring it on”.
      Oooopsie.

  • RadioPaul1

    What do you mean I am being sued, I am already being sued. Am I alone here? Did I asked to be sued? I want this fancy boy dead, I want his family dead! I want to wake you and piss on his ashes!

  • Pierrot

    RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X-++- Monday 2nd of June
    Prevent narconon and co$’s entrapment of vulnerable victims?
    YOU CAN HELP
    let your fingers RED X their nefarious ads

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-87#post-2459875

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty THDNE

    • Barbara Angel

      No rest for the wicked, I’ve been over there for the last couple of hours. But off I go again.

    • philosofa

      Just had a big busy flaggotry fest. Noticed this great (new?) counter ad – maybe createdin response to the recent whiny cult-apologist ad. Gave it an extra ‘best of’ red heart to help keep it current.
      http://ventura.craigslist.org/grp/4497871881.html

  • DodoTheLaser

    “Ryan escaped from Fresh Start on foot in the Summer of [2012], walking
    eight miles in the summer heat from Fresh Start’s remote facility to
    Caliente, Nevada.”

    Reminds me of my former scientology co-worker from Argentina and his escape from Narconon.
    He really liked to talk about himself.

    • flyonthewall

      I can’t imagine what he must of gone through to be so desperate that he would walk 8 miles through the desert. He literally decided he would rather die in the desert than stay at Narconon any longer, that’s powerful

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    These lawsuits are stacking up like pancakes.
    Eat THAT, ya little motherfucker!

  • Sherbet

    Caliente, Nevada — how fitting is that! It’s getting muy caliente for narconon and cos.

  • Maybe I’m jaded, but at this point adding more cases seems like adding more 9s after the decimal point: Nice to have, but not adding much to the result.

    I’m just trying to understand the strategy of stacking up so many cases before putting one in the net in court. Then again, it could merely be that Narconon has messed with so many people, without a place to turn, that Ryan Hamilton is attracting them like a lightning rod?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Statute of limitations, most likely.

      • Good point. What is the window for this kind of civil case?

        • It depends upon when the victims realize they were swindled, the clock starts ticking after that fact in many cases. Since none of these cases contain fatalities, but all are currently filed in Federal courts, my guess is that each case has been examined to ensure that they are timely and fall well within any potential window of limiting statutes for the Federal rules.

    • D.Y.G.

      Ryan Hamilton is advertising, on the internet at the very least, that he represents victims of Narconon. There are also Facebook groups and the like – word gets around that he’s the go to guy.

      • And Scientology’s own Facebook pages are being used to help get the word out.

    • aquaclara

      I have to believe that the insurance companies who underwrote the policies for the different facilities would see the stacking up of suits and decide that the level of risk is unacceptable. Ditto, too, for the credit card merchant services providers, since charge backs have risk for possible exposure.

      And in any location where NN was planning to expand, the accumulation of suits gives weight to those fighting the expansion plans.

      The juiciest parts, though, come when accumulated discovery comes forward….

      • Hambo is getting in ahead of credit companies and insurance companies, he is suing early to avoid the stamped so that he gets his clients’ money back hopefully before all the rest at which point Scientology will declare their NarCONons bankrupt and nobody who files late gets any of their money back.

        Insurance carriers and credit providers should have filed criminal charges and civil suits to recover their losses long ago. If Hambo gets priority, his law firm and his clients get the money, those who are tardy do not get Fruit Cup.

        • aquaclara

          I can only think that there are some insurance carriers and credit card providers who are either being lied to or are part of a related scam somehow.
          11. Unbelievable. I never thought we would see this much legal activity in 2014.

          • Looks like insurance carriers and credit card companies are not involved in any collaboration but are victims of NarCONons since there has already been some work done on getting cases brought to State Attorney General offices. We can expect criminal charges to be filed in at least two NarCONon offices.

            And yeah, we’re on track to eliminating NarCONon by the end of the year. 🙂

    • Juicer77

      I wonder if the courts are less likely to dismiss if there are several different suits involving different plaintiffs, i.e. a pattern of systematic criminal behavior.

      • NOLAGirl

        I don’t know the answer to your question, but I hope Hamilton keeps the suits separate rather than going the way of a class-action suit. Make all those bloodsuckers have to have a lawyer/lawyers running all over the country trying to cover their ass. The billable hours alone are going to drown them.

        Co$ has always used and abused our justice system. Using it to harass, file multiple suits, tie up courts and government agencies. Not to mention the individuals they’ve used it on. Time for Dave and all the scumbags making money off of these scams to get some of their own medicine…so to speak. 🙂

        • Hambo is also likely considering the mind of David (if one can call it that.) With multiple lawsuits, David is wanting more and more to instigate actionable Fair Game activities against Hambo and his law firm, and as Hambo has seen, such activities only help plaintiffs.

    • Hamtaro

      I would argue that each new case added, each new legal entity added and each new jurisdiction adds tremendously to the strength of Ryan Hamilton’s position, both for settlement and ultimate legal victory.

      For instance, insurance companies use actuaries to determine # of plaintiffs X avg. anticipated verdict amount X % est. probability of success (reverted back to net present value) to determine settlement values.

      Likewise, precedents set in one Federal district regarding a particular type of case, evidence or defendant, while not necessarily specifically applicable in another district court, are often noted by the other courts. That’s why the 76% fake success rate that was brought up in one case is now cited in each new suit.

      It makes complete sense that anyone with a potential suit against Narconon is going to Hamilton to file it because the sheer volume of his cases will, over time, render him an expert.

      • 🙂 And law interns are free slave labor, as bad as Sea Org slaves. 🙂

    • Its not about punishment, it’s about victims getting their money back and about Hambo’s law firm making a profit. Every victim needs a champion to bring their case, Hambo is doing that for a fee.

      Also as lawsuits keep getting added there is greater and greater motive and incentive for David to order actionable Fair Game against Hambo et al., Fair Game behavior which can only help put David in prison or further expose the filthy human rights crimes Scientology commits.

  • ShevilKat

    Um, since when are rehab patients considered “students”?–paragraph 23 (sorry if someone has posted this already–haven’t had time to read comments yet……)

    • philosofa

      $camentology ‘students’ are students in the same way that $camentology ‘staff’ are staff…just a shore story/cover story for the cult’s slave recruitment scheme. Everyone is a potential recruit, especially if they are vulnerable.

      “Come to study Scientology…stay for the billion year contract. Sign here please…”

    • Barbara Angel

      Naaaah not patients just generous Donators. Maybe co$ is hoping that everyone will still be queuing up to give them $30,000 to be indoctrinated or killed from illegal practices.

    • 🙂 Isn’t that amusing? 🙂 These clowns call their customers “parishioners.” –smirk–

  • Mike Leopold

    Ryan Hamilton’s lawsuits against Narconon are “too detailed.”
    Translation: too detailed = too FACTUAL.

    • GaLAXee

      Too detailed = we refuse to acknowledge facts that don’t conform to our reality. Wog.

      • philosofa

        “…we refuse to acknowledge facts that don’t conform to our fantasy, fake ‘reality’. Wog.”

        FIFY 😀

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      And this poor kid had seizures from withdrawal, then had to walk through desert heat to escape. Whenever these lawsuits and settlements result in NN begin shut down it will be none too soon for me.

    • Jgg2012

      Next, they’ll say that they are too critical.

  • aquaclara

    I do love the request for an injunction to stop NN from practicing….this would be the ultimate win.

    Because of the multiple suits, the courts will be hard-pressed to ignore the facts, no matter what tactics Scientology tries to pull.

    And for Ryan, I hope he gets better soon, under the care of real counselors who care.

    • The injunction to stop Scientology from committing the alleged crimes and abuses might merely be Hambo’s way of reducing the number of lawsuits filed by other law firms who will take on clients of their own, all of which would reduce the bankruptcy court’s pay out to each individual victim. 🙂

  • 1subgenius

    Somewhat off-topic, but extremely relevant to the broader issues here.
    Mike Rinder’s blog today begins with a quote from Mark Twain.

    “It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

    That’s gonna rattle around my head for a while.
    I happen to be reading his autobiography, which, at his request, was not to be published for 100 years after his death.

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      That’s a good idea, maybe I’ll make the same request in mine 😉
      That is an important quote. We all should put it above our mirrors – because of course this includes the very human habit of fooling ourselves.

      • very important quote….even when faced with the truth about being fooled, many people CLING to their false reality they were given because i guess they don’t want to admit they were fooled? it’s easier in your mind to just accept lies instead of trying to process that you were fooled and then deal with that emotional fall out of betrayal, anger, and the overriding question ‘why?’…..

        • pluvo

          With leaving the cult, one is nearly always also admitting that one was WRONG. That is one of the first things one has to overcome, to admit first to oneself that one was wrong, has made wrong decisions, was thinking wrongly, trusted the wrong people and has been fooled. Having that realization can be painful. It is the lost years and all the lost other opportunities and for some a waisted life. And all this has to be sorted out while shedding the mind control and getting more information.

          • yeah, that’s very difficult….plus then you realize you lost so much time to lies and people tend to blame themselves because they basically lived a lie and it shatters almost every corner of their existence….

          • Once_Born

            It is so much easier to rationalise than it is to be rational – so I have a lot of respect for anyone who faces up their mistakes, recognises that they have been deceived, and cuts their losses.

            It is indeed a difficult process – but the truth will set you free.

    • Qbird

      I like the idea that Mike Rinder has that rattlin’ around in his head too, 1sub.

    • Missionary Kid

      Believe it or not, but some Bunkaroo used that a while back.

    • Zana

      Thanks for the head’s up. I just bought his autobiography from Kindle. Love his work. Can’t wait to read it.

    • noseinabk

      I read Chapters From My Autobiography but did not make it through all of volume 1 of of the complete edition. I am about halfway in and put it aside for a bit as it is not a book I can easely carry around with me. I bet that thing weights 3 pounds.

  • mook
  • Robert Mitchell

    Justice will be served when David Miscavige is turned over to The Black Gorilla FAMILY for anal candy!!!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Don’t mind saying that’s a very odd comment from a first time poster.

      Care to introduce yourself?

  • joan nieman

    Exposing the fraud that Narconon is can only be a positive thing. Hopefully, people and the media will take note and help rid the world of these parasites.

  • Mark

    (refresh)…

  • P P

    Great irony in using litigation. CoS’s own weapon used so many times against others. They have big coffers
    but imagine if they were continually paralysed by fighting suits from every corner.
    the tide is turning!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And another new, er, face. Welcome to the Bunker.

      • philosofa

        That remind’s me – time I should replace my anonymous grey face with something cute and endearing. I’ll have a brand new face tomorrow.

        • pluvo

          I just replace the dull anonymous ‘person’ with a picture and was thinking about you needing one too to your nice name.

          • philosofa

            Thank you.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          please ket us see your new avi!

          • philosofa

            You’ll have to wait till tomorrow – can’t get hold of the pic I have in mind until then. It will be v.cute though 😉

      • P P

        Thanks Long time reader of Tony O since the village voice CoS reports. Often have trouble using discus but it worked that time.

  • Robert Eckert
    • philosofa

      Done! Tasty fresh blues there for anyone who’s hungry – nom, nom.

    • Hamtaro

      Done. Thanks for the alert, Robert.

    • Shanester

      I started flagging these, but I have a question: Is it safe to flag every single one? I imagine the search criteria is specifically designed to ferret out the co$ ads, but some of them aren’t obvious at all to my newbie eyes. Are clams just super sly and underhanded about seeking out fresh meat? I personally don’t think much of any poor fool who thinks they’re going to find succor on Craigslist, but I don’t want to mistakenly flag a non-evil ad by mistake. Thanks for clarifying.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Shanester – Very good question and sometimes there are counter ads too! But in looking at those SFBay ads, the posters are Karen and Christina. They do not state a link to scientology but if you click on the contact info you get the phone number (which they seem to have hidden in the ads). Then google the phone number and scientology. Both those numbers are scientology.

        • Shanester

          Awesome, thanks! But — what’s a counter ad?

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Sometimes folks post a counter ad such as “watch out for the scientology cult ads in this space” and some are even funny with pix of Xenu or a guy in a tin foil hat. These are the counter ads that sometimes crop up in the listings. I always flag them with a “best of” and click on the gold star up top to make them a favorite.

            • Shanester

              Nice, thanks for explaining!

      • Robert Eckert

        Once in a while there is something totally unconnected, like a mixed-martial-arts clinic on the Tampa list, or a personal favorite, an ad for a Reptile Handler. But all those ads about this life problem or that (having a hard time at work? want to raise better kids? are you depressed? did you just break up with your girlfriend? etc etc) yeah, you bet they are all Scientology.

  • Barb Snow

    I’m curious… will Scientology claim these representations weren’t made? I take it they are verbal, not in writing.

    • Tony Ortega

      That’s what trials are for. Testimony. And Scientology can never allow a lawsuit to get to trial. It knows it will lose on the facts. That’s why every lawsuit settles, eventually.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Some of cos’s claims are right there on their websites, and if they claim they aren’t doing scientology instead of legitimate rehab services with trained personel, I suppose the court would tell them to dox or stfu.

  • NOLAGirl

    11 suits in and we haven’t heard a word from Co$? Bunker Lawyers, how long does it usually take for a case like this to get heard in a court? Shouldn’t the first and/or second cases be heading for a court date soon?

    • Tony Ortega

      Scientology filed a motion to dismiss on one of the first cases, and lost. So that case is moving on to discovery. Trial is still a long way away.

      • NOLAGirl

        I’m still betting they offer a settlement to Hamilton’s clients. But if they’re stupid enough to let all this come out in court, I’ll be happy to make more popcorn.

      • Science Doc

        Which firms are handling the defenses? Are they coordinated or different for each Narconon or State? Are these insurance-paid firms?

        • Tony Ortega

          Graham Berry’s old firm handled that motion to dismiss, we pointed out earlier. Very ironic. I haven’t heard yet who has taken up the other ones.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Although, the longer he can push the case through the system and to trial, the greater risk to scientology, and thus higher settlements for the other and subsequent cases. If he actually gets a judgement against Narconon and scientology, then other cases on the same merits could be a constant high dollar income stream.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Vivid Cad’s Image (acronym) is gonna suffer now.

    The Quebec Human Rights ruling on Narconon,
    the NAFC suit against all and sundry fronts and persons,
    Hambo going for the baker’s dozen(s).

    Inflict more of same – death of a thousand Red-X’s
    All the combined efforts everywhere will gore this beast fatally.

    Main list:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-87#post-2459875

    JJ in Boston posted 20 ads or more yesterday.
    Only 5 remain.
    Flatten them, please, here:
    http://boston.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=dianeti*&7c%22448+beacon%22&7c%2250+vassar%22&7c%22617+266+9500%22&7c%22617+945+5300%22&7c%22857+247+0648%22
    ty ShoopZ

    • Hamtaro

      I’d like to take a minute and expand on PA’s call to arms to Red-X JJ’s book ads:

      I’m sure you’ve all noticed how JJ’s event ads come down 20-30 mins after an alert, but his book ads often resist all flagging efforts. There are a couple of working theories as to why this is. You could help
      conclusively prove why this happens by taking some time during the next hour and whacking the dickens out of his five existing book ads. Whatever strategy you use to flag JJ’s event ads, do it to his book ads sometime in the next 60 minutes. PA has post the link above.

      The good news is: whether they get flagged down or not, as long as everyone hits them hard and fast, the evidence will be conclusive. Your efforts will help to make Red-Xing more efficient. Thanks in advance for your help!

      • Shanester

        Only one book on the book link! Whacked.

        • Hamtaro

          Ouch! I didn’t check PA’s link before I posted. That’s my bad. I’ve edited my post to reflect the link with 5 book ads that are less than 24 hours old. Thanks for pointing that out. (do I feel stupid right now? The answer is: yes, most certainly, yes).

      • philosofa

        Just flagged all 5 repeatedly. If they get a lot of hits it will be interesting to see if they come down and, if so, how quickly. I have been wondering if he has people pressing the red heart button on his behalf as a way of ‘upvoting’ them and keeping them sticking in place.

        • Pierrot

          Red Heart does not do a thing concerning flagging or removing an ad, press the [?] next to it to see full explanation.

          • philosofa

            Thanks. That’s good to know.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Here’s a poster I made for the Red X Gang. Use it only if you like it. I just gave to Pierrot, too.

      • Dancing Cranberry

        I like it, cars. I will use it next time!

    • Pierrot
  • FOTF2012

    David Miscavige is rightly on the hot seat. We will not forget though the arrogant and ignorant know-it-all mind that created this pseudoscience: L. Ron Hubbard.

    • philosofa

      HellRH has indeed “smashed” his name into history” after all…though not exactly in the way he intended. COB will one day join him there as a convicted criminal cult leader. Tick tock,…

      • Once_Born

        In 20 years time, I think we will see that he only managed to smash his way into a few, uncomplimentary, historical footnotes.

        My name is L Ron Hubbard, King of Kings.
        Look on my works ye mighty, and despair

        • philosofa

          “My name is L Ron Hubbard, King of Kings”.

          hahahaha…only in his insane, narcissistic dreams.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          There’s Shelley!

      • ze moo

        It would be nice to see Lroon mentioned in the same sentence with Bernie Madoff and Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.

        • philosofa

          It will be very nice indeed to see them treated with even greater well-deserved contempt and loathing than those other fraudsters. The crimes of the cof$, particularly the human rights abuses, will remain in the public domain for as long as there is an internet.

        • D.Y.G.

          I think Tammy Faye redeemed herself just a little bit after she became a big gay rights supporter. Jim is probably sitting in hell right next to Jerry Falwell.

      • Missionary Kid
  • ze moo

    Hambo for the win. NOW, will some east coast lawyer get on the bandwagon and shut down NarCONon in the east {that other continent}? That still leaves some in Canada and Mexico and Europe.

    As enjoyable as speculating where the dwarfenführer will hide is, he has no real reason to run. Any deposition will result in someone else being thrown under the bus, and all he has to do is deny everything {reality included}. The rehab scam only provides 8-10 million in ‘fees’ and ‘materials’ to the RTC, nice money, but not essential.

    The reging of the NarCONon franchise holders may provide more money, but if Davy hits up Tom Cruise or some other whale on a good day, he can make that all back. Shutting down a dangerous, mind bending rehab scam is its own reward, that satisfaction will have to do for now, and that works for me.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      If one or more of the would be patsies decide to drag HIs Oiliness down with them, things could get very interesting, especially if they admit that he tried to unduly influence their testimony. It will be even better if they also testify that Moxon and some of those other slimy Scieno-attorneys will involved in coaching witnesses. Moxon disbarred would be a thing to celebrate.

      • ze moo

        There is so much room for missteps and other footbulletry, that all involved have to be very nervous. The impulse to settle must be very strong in the clampire and the 8 million or more that NarCONon generates does keep the current cash flow working. Even Tom Cruise has his limits, and one too many ‘regings’ from his besty might do it. That would be so enjoyable……..

        • flyonthewall

          They can’t just settle, it would open the flood gates. Miscavige will make someone take the bullet. “Some dirty DB SP tricked me and lied to me. That’s why I was bragging about all Narconon’s successes. I had no idea they didn’t actually have the accreditations they said they did, how was I to know?” And that sucker will lie and go to prison for him too because he/she’s that f’ing stupid and brainwashed. Sound familiar? To make it a perfect circle he must get…yes you know who…Shelly. She would do it too cuz she’s a good little brainwashed clam freak just like Mary Sue was. WAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! excellent

        • flyonthewall

          and also, TC and other big beings don’t get regged. That is only for the lowly degraded run of the mill mollusks

  • jeff

    Apparently, Casey Kasem is now in the hospital.

    • yeah i was reading that this morning….i saw the house his wife had him in and couldn’t believe it—all that money…..and if he truly IS that ill with bed sores and infections his wife BEST be held accountable!!!

      • Juicer77

        That poor man. Caught between a $cilooney daughter and an (apparently) mentally ill wife.

        • wait, his one daughter is a $cieno?!?! i didn’t know that!!!

        • Robert Eckert

          And she would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling kids!

        • Sibs

          My first thought when I read THR just now was “I hope his daughter didn’t send him to a $cientology facility.” Craziness.

      • D.Y.G.

        I think there’s plenty of crazy on both sides. I’m not paying very close attention to the whole mess and I don’t now everything that’s going on, but I do know that even the best care can’t always prevent bedsores. Lung infections, pneumonia, and similar problems are also prevalent among the bedridden.

        • that’s true re: bedsores…..it’s just a very sad case…..

  • Shanester

    Off topic, but I just finished “Bare Faced Messiah” by Russell Miller. I just… Eugh. L. Ron Hubbard… Three generations and half a million dollars — for that despicable, conniving lowlife who abandoned his family, his children — his families, plural. I’m so angry, trying not to be hopeless. Words fail me. I’m really glad about this site and the general movement toward justice. I’m going for a bike ride.

    • Once_Born

      And, if you are a US citizen, you had to wait more than 20 years for that book to published in your country, after the CofS effectively suppressed it, by threatening to litigate the would-be publisher into bankruptcy.

      • Observer

        It was published (I checked it out of a library in 1988), but it was forced out of print and the Scilons did their best to steal every publicly circulating copy they could get their grubby little mitts on.

        • Once_Born

          I stand corrected. Still… it was suppressed in a free country in the 20th century.

          • Observer

            Yes it was, and on the flimsiest of grounds.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Psychic answer. My question is somewhere near here.

          • Once_Born

            I was thinking that… and then…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I am confused about this.

        I have had a copy of Barefaced Messiah for years. Inside the front cover, there is publisher’s information saying that this was printed in the United States of America by Henry Holt and Company in 1988.

        Anyone here know more about the publishing history that can explain this?

        • Tony Ortega

          Several thousand copies managed to be printed here before Scientology locked it up in litigation, and then Holt gave up publishing here. Russell told me most of those few that were put out here were bought by institutional buyers (i.e, libraries). So there are copies here, but nothing like what he’s finally getting out now.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I always assumed I had purchased mine as a remainder– publishing overruns or titles that were no longer being carried. But my copy carries no marks, so that is unlikely. I do recall I purchased it in a bargain book shop.

          • Narapoid

            There was an active campaign within Scientology to just disappear that book. I remember a woman from my org telling me she and a group of parisioners was briefed by a Sea-Org member on a special mission, that “I’m not telling to destroy that book, but…” She was proud to swipe it and throw it in the trash. The greatest good…

            Until I found your site, I didn’t even know the name of Russell’s book or the hell that it brought to Russell and the publisher. Thanks Tony!

        • rom661

          I have one as well. I didn’t even realize it was no longer available for a longtime. I don’t recall specifically where I got it but it was a bookstore, not a library.

          • KNMF

            Bought a copy at a used book store. After reading it twice I was anxious to share it. Like you I had no idea it would take me 20+ years to get another. So glad it’s back in print. (Gracias, Humphrey!) And you can still see the old photos on Clambake.

    • anti-niblet

      I am half way through the book and the knot in my gut keeps twisting the more I read…

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I am also in the middle of it, and it is not pleasant.

      • flyonthewall

        That was my 2nd book on Co$ ever and the further I got the more I had to remind myself it wasn’t fiction or some weird spy novel. Yes, Hubbard was actually that f’d up!

    • NOLAGirl

      Enjoy your ride Shane. I had to talk a walk after the suicide story on Saturday. Sending (((hugs))) your way.

  • rom661

    Perhaps I’m just a pessimist by nature: I don’t see the downfall of Miscavige or the “church” happening in the near term. Much as I enjoy the pressure being applied by Hamilton and wish him success, if it comes down to it he has the ability to settle every one of these suits and it not make any significant dent in the church’s finances. The Texas suit is much more of a threat to him, not so much in money but exposure and being compelled to be deposed. However I don’t understand anyone gleefully anticipating his imminent demise. Well, I do understand the glee at the prospect, I just don’t seem to be on the same page as most in terms of thinking the time is drawing near. I think ultimately it would take the IRS or something of that nature to represent that kind of threat. I hope the more optimistic Bunker folks are right and I’m wrong.

    • MaxSpaceman

      There are many Bunkeroos who believe as you stated that it’s going to be a long time coming for the Machiavellian Midget to take the big fall. With $1 billion war chest, he is a formidable foe for any court anywhere, for any govt. agency in any country. It’s been said he fears any legal retribution, so hoping his internal suffering expands daily.

      • Once_Born

        This assumes that Miscavige retains control of the money. If the organisation were to fragment (and especially if he were to fall from power) they could lose it all while fighting among themselves – and there’s little more where that came from… income is collapsing.

        Watch this space. I still vote for a unexpected, compete, collapse similar to the East German and Soviet situations.

        • MaxSpaceman

          I wish your projection come true. What trends against your outcome is the North Korean model. Miscavige has sole dictatorial power. All competitive-level people are gone or in the Hole. All of them. His power is as secure as the North Korean’s. Moreso, actually, as the NK army could overthrow the chubby tryant there. But in Hemet & Clearwater, & throughout the world, Miscavige has eliminated all threats (as he saw them, and it was every executive, e.g. Scobee, Hawkins, Rinder, Cook – everybody of executive quality is gone or in the Hole.

          • Once_Born

            North Korea survives because they are supported by China and the world is afraid of what they might do to South Korea if the regime went to war

            The CofS has no allies (with the possible exception of the NofI). The only reason to fear them is the threat of endless litigation – and that becomes less potent as the court cases multiply, because they do not have the organisational capability to apply their expensive and labour-intensive legal tactics in so many places at once.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I’m with you, OB – from your lips to G-d’s ears, may C o $ fragment and MIscavige fall. The sooner the better.

        • Zana

          Yes… and what happens when the upkeep on all those Ideal Orgs has to be taken on by Co$? If more parishioners walk away and won’t pay rent and upkeep and there are no people coming in for “services”… then that becomes a drain. Of course… he could sell them off one by one and keep the money for his war chest. Even so… if the Ideal Orgs fall into disrepair because nobody is paying the monthly bills.. then that’s an added problem. … I guess, in the scheme of things… not a very big problem… but still a problem when those still in start to notice. (if ever).

          Whew… the Cognizant Dissonance is so loud… it’s a wonder how those still-in can still be “whaa-hoo-ing”. Maybe they “Whaa-hoo” loudly just so they don’t have to hear their own thoughts creeping up.

    • Tony Ortega

      1. Fast collapse of participation by the few remaining church members (as documented at Rinder’s blog), 2. building up of lawsuits against Scientology’s last remaining ‘good PR’ outfit (Narconon), 3. and the IRS finally stirring — all point to serious, serious trouble for this organization. Things are actually happening faster than some of us longtime watchers expected.

      • philosofa

        It is encouraging to hear this from someone right in the thick of things las you are, Tony. I wish I could up-vote this comment eleventy times.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Tony wow that is a powerful comment.

      • rom661

        In other words, none of these by itself might do the job but the cumulative effect very possibly will. I consider you one of the most informed and level headed authorities on this. Your assessment is encouraging. I would love to watch it go down. Thanks for the comment, Tony. Apparently the optimism is justified after all. Sometimes I love to be wrong.

        • Once_Born

          I think of it as the critical mass scenario. The organisation can only ‘handle’ a limited number of problems (because its not very organised).

          The attacks on it are now exceeding its ability to retaliate – and reinforcing each other. Something has to give.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Did I miss something. “3. and the IRS finally stirring–“?

        I am not aware of movement on this, just Senator Ron Wyden’s inquiry. Is there really something happening?

        • Captain Howdy

          Just the Wyden thing as far as i know.

      • Keeping Scientology Waning

        I believe that there are a lot of entities and individuals who want to bring action to end the cults existence. But who wants to step out and become a target when the cult remains so powerful? A few brave ones have stepped up…and look what it can cost in resources and personal sanity and safety. I believe that a few major ,maybe even one major decision or action, really major, could start the piling on that it will take….and on all fronts at the same time : legal, govt agencies, law enforcement, individuals, and most importantly the huge turn in public sentiment that will have to happen. There is just not enough blood in the water yet.

      • richelieu jr

        The secondary effect of all of this may be the most telling and vital- The ‘Church’ just doesn’t scare anyone any more, It can destroy say a dozen lives at a time, and keep its slaves in line, but now it has many =more than that in active lawsuit, plus the old enemies to keep tabs on, plus new defectors every day, plus all its proactive lawsuits and…

        Before, even after the Time article no one wanted to take them on, The cost was just too high.. But now, who are they destroy? They made Marty and his Wife’s lives very unpleasant for a couple of years, and how is that working out for them?

        Books thye were able to keep from being published are being published; More Xenu joke t-shirts are sold epr year than copies of Dianetics, and even Tom Cruise has learned to shur hi gob about the Super Adventure Club…

        In short, it is beautiful, and something I would never have dreamed of even three years ago..

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          It is about time that Scientology had to play ‘whack a mole’ with us!

          • ze moo

            There are too many of ‘us’ and too few of the ‘them’. Yeah, they can hire a lot of morally questionable private investigators, but they really need loyal minions, schooled in Lroons patented ‘confront tech’ to really scare the opposition. Except that they forgot that 1/2 the opposition used to be clams and they can ‘confront’ also. The rest of us {anonymous, 4chan particularly} just don’t scare. There is strength in numbers and the clams can’t keep every youtube video of their transgressions secret anymore.

            Between all the footbullets the clams expended on the internet with take down requests and plain harassment, they have no credibility anymore, anywhere.

            I thank Tom Cruise and South Park for much of the current situation, but they built on the work of the so many. Between all the books and newspaper exposes, the clams can’t hide any more. Get out the butter and hot sauce, it’s time for a clambake.

      • flyonthewall

        Speaking of fast collapse of participation, backincomm has a great leaked mass txt BEGGING people to show up for ideal org events. They are way drunk on Hubbard but often have good news/pov.

        http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/06/02/ideal-orgs-desperation-much/

      • The problem is that money solves all problems, and David seems to have plenty of it.

    • media_lush

      “However I don’t understand anyone gleefully anticipating his imminent demise”…. have actually read any of the first hand accounts of this tiny tyrant?…. they don’t call him slappy for no reason; I mean, I can’t think of any more deserved person to get thrown in jail than this guy… a truly despicable and thoroughly nasty piece of work!

      • Once_Born

        I think rom661 means that he does not agree that the end is nigh for Miscavige. He agrees that his demise would be a good thing – he just thinks it may take longer than some of us do.

        • rom661

          Exactly. Thanks.

      • rom661

        Hi. If you notice, I said I understand the glee. My point was that I didn’t expect his demise, however deserved, to be imminent. I read the Bunker every day, have read every credible book on Scientology and am very informed as to Miscavige’s apparently being a sociopath. Please re-read my post. I thought it was clear but maybe I’m mistaken.

        • media_lush

          first you said:

          “I don’t understand anyone gleefully anticipating his imminent demise?

          now you say:

          “I said I understand the glee”

          oh, and then you say

          “I thought it was clear but maybe I’m mistaken”

          …. er, lets go with the last one

          • rom661

            This is lifted straight out of the first post.

            “However I don’t understand anyone gleefully anticipating his imminent demise. Well, I do understand the glee at the prospect, I just don’t seem to be on the same page as most in terms of thinking the time is drawing near.”

            I don’t know if you don’t bother to read, believe that you can put whatever spin you want on something, or simply don’t read well. The “I thought I was clear but maybe I’m mistaken” was me trying to be low key and nice. It should have said:
            Are you proficient with the English language? Funny, Tony understood exactly what I meant and addressed it Thinks I’m wrong and that it might be sooner than later. Great. I certainly hope so and Tony is much more knowledgeable than me. Please do me a favor and read what I actually said. Word for word. Out loud if need be. Then look at the “I said I understand the glee” and see if you realize that in fact I did Then quit bugging me, please.

            • media_lush

              listen numb nuts you’re the one getting all bent out of shape here and trying to take some pseudo high ground vis a vis understanding the English language makes you come across as a bit of a noob…. you’re starting to come across as a troll

            • rom661

              My name is Rick Mylum, hence the ROM. In the Sea Org and LA org in the early 70’s. Blew after a year when I realized what I was involved with.. When it comes to the English language, I’m proficient. Your comments speak for themselves. You don’t comprehend well. As for the name calling and the troll thing, you’re showing your ignorance. I’ve been following Scientology for 40 years. My first response to you was polite, hence the “thought I was clear but maybe I am mistaken” remark. Trying to take the high road as opposed to “Are you stupid?”. You’ve answered that question.

            • media_lush

              all my responses were polite until you upped it up a notch, and I stress the “you” part… let’s just leave at as a semantics glitch otherwise this could go on forever.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Hi Rick,
              Just wanted to add my 2 cents. Your original post was very clear and straightforward, just as your explanations of it were. Don’t worry, we understood you the first time.

              Nice to have you commenting more often now.

            • rom661

              Thanks for the support. Actually I’m a little discouraged at the moment. But just got another nice comment, so I’ll continue to be a pest, I guess. Thanks again.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              No, stop it, you are NOT a pest. You are a valued contributor. ALL former scientologists are.

              Please don’t get “discouraged,” because in re-reading the whole comment thread over again, I see, but don’t quite understand, how it went off the rails. But let me reassure you, on the internet, it happens quite frequently and has happened to all of us at some point, I’m sure. When it first happened to me, I was very hesitant to post again for quite awhile and second guessed everything I said. I also spent a lot of time (unnecessarily, in retrospect, imo) trying to explain a comment over and over again. It’s just a little dust up and has subsided now. We come from all over the world, with different proficiencies with the English language or different ways of using it in written and oral communications, and these misunderstandings are bound to happen. Just carry on reading the rest of the comments and enjoying your stay with us.

              BTW, in case you hadn’t met Media-Lush before, this is the daily blog he keeps http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/

          • Captain Howdy

            rom661 originally wrote “However I don’t understand anyone gleefully anticipating his imminent demise. Well, I do understand the glee at the prospect..”

            Why do you keep leaving out the ” Well, I do understand the glee at the prospect.” part of his comment?

            • media_lush

              “anyone” implies people here; “the prospect” implies the idea…. two quite separate things

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            It’s clear to me. It’s the anticipation that it is imminent he does not understand, gleeful or not. I understand.

        • Keeping Scientology Waning

          “However I don’t understand anyone gleefully anticipating his imminent demise”…….if you can’t grasp that, then you just don’t know how to have fun.

          • rom661

            I don’t know what else to say. My statement is pretty clear. I totally understand the glee, just expressed doubt that the desire for it would be fulfilled as soon as some think. Imminent is the part being questioned, not the glee. If you can’t grasp that, then you just don’t know how to…. read? Sorry, I’m pretty laid back but this is like you are willfully misunderstanding. I can understand why someone, perhaps, would misunderstand the first time. But you are reacting to my explanation. If Miscavige was pilloried tomorrow, I would do my ugly little happy dance of joy. I think he’s a creep, a sociopath, an ugly, ugly excuse for a human being and I would love to see him taken down. Got it? Read all the words, please.

            • Qbird

              May I have this dance?
              The COS has been operating for far too long. They are being exposed at a faster rate then ever before. This is the best news.
              It is easy to be disheartened… I am always grateful for some glee.
              Whenever, wherever I can find it.

            • rom661

              Nice pic. Thanks for the interruption. I couldn’t agree with you more. Best wishes. Actually we share a wish….

            • Keeping Scientology Waning

              Was actually trying to introduce a bit of levity into this tempest in a teacup that had developed.

            • rom661

              Sorry about that. I took it as snarky. My mistake. And I have a weird sense of humor so you’d think I would have recognized it. Appreciate the effort. Night. Assuming you’re anywhere near my part of the world.

    • Science Doc

      Federal agencies notice when an entity attracts a huge number of federal suits for fraud and other causes of action. I think the Negligence Per Se cause of action in some of these suits effectively accuses them of practicing medicine without a license. None of this has been proved in court yet, but several federal agencies could take action on this at any time.

      Narconon is a very, very high risk game for the cult.

    • NOLAGirl

      I don’t think anyone truly believes that anything that happens with these NN cases will bring about Davey’s downfall. I think it’s more that everyone is enjoying the smell of what is cooking all around him.

      ETA: It’s like a good gumbo. Well worth waiting the long time it takes to cook.

      • rom661

        Perhaps the previous comments speculating about what he (Miscavige) would do were not serious and people are just enjoying the contemplation of it. Seemed like an earnest discussion of how things would play out, prompted by the current lawsuits.

        • NOLAGirl

          It’s all speculation until something happens. I personally think DM will do whatever he can to distance himself from NN and these lawsuits. Which won’t be easy since he touts it at every turn as a cure all for drug ills.

      • Jerseygram

        I do love a good gumbo.

    • Once_Born

      It’s coming sooner than anyone expects… trust me, I know what I’m doing.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnwWKkNau4I

    • Just Dee

      The more lawsuits, the better. I do believe in Karma & scientology is long over due. I do like the death by 1,000 paper cuts analogy. Just the fact that lawyers are fighting against scientology/narconon is great news!
      The lawsuit filed by the NAFC could potentially cause a lot of damage to this scam. I hope so anyway.

      • rom661

        Hi Dee. Tony pointed that out to me in a response. I had neglected that as a huge wild card. I agree with you and would love to be wrong about my estimate of how long he has. I hope so as well. Thanks.

    • Espiando

      None of us are seeing the imminent demise of the cult in the short term. They have too much money to fail immediately. However, we know it will fail. In the meantime, some of us are taking a nice, warm bath in the cult’s schadenfreude and its sweet, sweet tears of pain. It’s like a spa, only one operated by karmic justice.

      • rom661

        Tony addressed this in a reply to my post. He disagrees with me and believes that with all of the recent developments, we may be reaching critical mass sooner than anyone could have imagined. I certainly hope he’s right. He’s definitely more informed than me, although I follow things closely. You and I are on on the same page but I hope we’re both wrong. No offense.

        • Espiando

          Well, I hope we’re both wrong too, but that’s not going to stop me from enjoying every single bit of trauma they undergo from now until the end. The more of that, the better. They deserve whatever they’re getting, and a hundred times more.

        • ze moo

          One more couch jumping or one more violent public incident or a real tax investigation into the clampire could easily drive more clams away. The clampire is near to losing that positive cash flow that keeps things going. Yeah, they have lots in off shore banks and the real estate portfolio is huge, but with out the loyal minions of Miscavage, what can they do? A lack of new meat and the slow escape of the current clams dooms them to the trash heap of scams. In the future, the phrase ‘snake oil salesmen’ will be replaced with ’emeter Lroners’.

    • We continue to chip away at Scientology’s frauds and abuses and we have forced the crooks to reduce their body counts in some areas. We have had positive impact on people’s lives so there has been progress… Tremendous progress has been made in reducing the number of paying customers. I think in 1994 the crooks might have been able to claim half a million customers world wide. They’re done to around 15,000 world wide thanks to the Old Guard. Anonymous, Readers Digest, Time Magazine, the Bunker et al.

      So because we’re seeing progress, it’s nice to anticipate federal agents ordering the dwarf and his fellow ringleaders to the ground at gunpoint.

      A wog can dream.

  • nottrue

    HEEEELP………..

  • First someone gave me free jalapeno peppers! this morning, then Hambo drops lawsuit number 11 on a dwarf. How awesome is this morning?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      A great start to the week!

      • Oh yeah! I didn’t think of that, it sets the tone for the whole week on an up-beat. 🙂 Well, for everyone but a certain little tyrant who has 1 more sad to add to his growing pile of sads. 🙂

    • Jgg2012

      I think that Davey will pay a million dollars NOT to be deposed. That means that Scientology can afford a thousand lawsuits.

      • richelieu jr

        Oh, he’ll pay more than that- If he’s deposed either he tells the truth and loses his freedom and scam (how much are those worth to him?), or he lies and if he gets caught he loses his freedom and scam.

        He’d pay big money to be silent, and it would still be worth pretty big money for him to be thought guilty and hated by outsiders,a s long as he can keep his slaves in the dark.

        At least billion is in play. plus his freedom.

      • Once_Born

        Suddenly, a billion dollars doesn’t seen look like a lot of money any more. Income is declining – all it need is a few other unexpected expenses…

        • Jgg2012

          A US Senator once said “a billion here, a billion there, after a while it adds up to real money.”

    • richelieu jr

      Good jalapenos are rare as hens teeth here in Paris; I can occasionally get the pickled variety (think 7/11 nachos), but they are dear.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Wish I could send you some.

        We have more fresh jalepenos and serranos this year that we can eat!

        We are drying them, freezing them and I do not want to see one more nacho for a YEAR!

        • richelieu jr

          Mmmmmnn Serranos (drools)

          C’mon, I’ll pay postage!

  • Dancing Cranberry

    You rock, Ryan Hamilton! Your attention to detail gives them no wiggle room.

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Calling the Red-X gang! We have some CO$ pollution of CL in Canada and Dublin. Let’s get rid of the pollution.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-87#post-2459922

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Doubts are a sign that you are thinking! Don’t let anyone convince you otherwise. Leave while you can. There is lots of support for you out here. You don’t have to pay freeloader’s debt. It isn’t legitimate.

    • Hamtaro

      All flagged. Canada needs and deserves our Red-X attention. Thanks for the alert, Crananon!

  • dagobarbz

    If Ryan Hamilton needs anything from County Admin in San Diego (NN Warner Springs is in SD County) I would be happy to run over and look up stuff and make copies if needed. It’s like 15 minutes from where I live.

    • Remember when these crooks were trying to get permits and waivers and stuff to open their Warner Springs facility? We flooded local city and county officials with information about the frauds, the maiming, the fatalities, and not one single politician who got the information gave a damn, all they saw was tax dollars and to fuck with the health and safety of citizens.

      • dagobarbz

        That’s right. Their only concern was land use issues. I went up there with my dad before they had permits and they already had customers in there. Totally illegal and the local gummit and county couldn’t have cared less.

        • richelieu jr

          Money talks and bullshit.. also talks, as long as it’s got money…

  • philosofa
    • Dancing Cranberry

      Thank you philosofa.

  • Jgg2012

    I think that Ryan’s site, http://www.narcononlawsuits.com, is now getting more hits that Scientology’s site.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There’s a link to the Bunker on the site. Under “Narconon Reviews.”

    • Captain Howdy

      Stormfront, Donald Sterling FB and GOOP get more hits than scientology.

      • Espiando

        Thus proving that Scientology is less popular than a fascist, racist, Academy-Award winner…in other words, Mel Gibson.

        • Captain Howdy

          You win the internet!
          http://youtu.be/9p8eO_LXvUo

          • Qbird

            One hell of a tone here, eh?! Howdy… that Mel Gibson rant — really harsh.
            I have never had someone speak to me in this tone & in this manner, with this kind of anger.
            His words scare me actually, at a gut level.

            • Captain Howdy

              People like Jodie Foster say he’s the greatest guy in the world..when he’s not drinking.

            • Qbird

              Many angry cruel hateful people are this way Capt., I noticed.
              Very charming on the outside.
              Pissed off on the inside.
              Ready to explode…
              INSTANT ASSHOLE ~ just add alcohol.
              My own father is / was this. Hence my vitriolic reaction. Must be an engram in there somewhere.
              Or maybe just a bad memory, for the best part & most of my life, forgotten.

            • Juicer77

              (* sneaks in for a hug*)

      • Jgg2012

        That’s amazing, given that Sterling has Alzheimer’s.

  • Peter Robinson

    Tempted to re-christen Ryan Hamilton Blizzard. Hopefully a storm big enough to bury Miscavige and his filthy, stinking Loony Rotten Huckster scam.

    • richelieu jr

      I think you’re being a bit unfair to Loony Rotten Hucksters.

  • media_lush

    just posted in SP’s R Us… Hubbard’s own words on running Narconon

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Well, now we know why they keep saying that Narconon is the ONLY successful drug rehabilitation program on the planet. LRH said so, 42 years ago, so it must be true.

      • Unex Skcus

        Ron was careful not to state which planet.

    • Jgg2012

      And remember, Narconon and ABLE are listed in Scientology’s IRS agreement as affiliated organizations.

    • richelieu jr

      Yeah, c’mon Guadian’s Office– Don’t go hiding your light under a barrel!

      Let the world know Scientology runs Narconon!

    • Narapoid

      Thanks for that juicy morsel there Media!

      • Qbird

        Warrior posted it on SP’s R Us. Media_Lush has sharp eyes & fast fingers.

        • Narapoid

          TY Qbird!

    • Juicer77

      Obviously that info is already in Hambo’s briefs…. I mean, hands?

    • I hope you Tweet that a lot.

  • Pierrot

    RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X
    Prevent narconon and co$’s entrapment of vulnerable victims?
    YOU CAN HELP, let your fingers RED X their nefarious ads

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-87#post-2459875

    Ty chutney

    • Pierrot

      sorry philosofa,
      I did not see your post below.
      I should have refreshed before posting (twice in two days!)

      • philosofa

        No probs 😀

  • AutOmatic

    Ryan Hamilton aka Clark Kent aka Superman. I KNEW he was real!

  • Fremdscham

    Nice pic. Hmmm. I thinking I’m starting to get a crush on Ryan Hamilton. I have always dug the sexy nerd-boy with black frame glasses look.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      You and my daughter…!

  • KNMF

    Pretty sure the Crutch of Scientology is well into their final era, that of never-ending blowback. The culty good times are gone forever.

  • nottrue

    “Better Business Bureau” what the fuck planet are you on anyway………Hambo might come for you next

    • Zana

      I wonder if they were paid off?

      • Captain Howdy

        According to accusations made against the BBB, that’s a possibility.

        • Ardent

          Hi Cap’n.

          • Captain Howdy

            Hi Ardent.

      • flyonthewall

        Scientology has infiltrated BBB in the past and buried/destroyed complaints about them. Don’t know if they still have agents inside

      • ze moo

        BBB complaints are used to get the offending business to join. Membership fees usually ‘disappear’ complaints. Captain Howdy’s ripoffreport reference explains the problem and the usefulness of the BBB.

    • stillgrace2

      The BBB is more of an “investigate-after-someone-complains” organization. You bring up a good point. Maybe the Bunker should complain.

    • Captain Howdy
      • Sibs

        Man, the complaints keep going and going and going and going and going… What a scam!

    • Dancing Cranberry

      I don’t believe that all “Fresh Start” programs are linked with $cientology. There is a Fresh Start program in my city that is associated with the Catholic School Board and their focus is on helping dropouts resume and graduate high school. There is another Fresh Start program that is linked to helping Filipinos immigrate to Canada. Nothing on their web site sets of my $cientology radar.

    • Ardent

      Oh, for the love of Mike…(gags)

  • outraged

    Go Ryan go!!!!!!!!!!

  • richelieu jr

    12, do I hear 12? 13? A bakers dozen?

  • Want to help victims get their money back? If you have Facebook, please consider searching for all of Scientology’s “NarCONon” Facebook pages and, where the idiots allow it, posting reviews which mention the Hamilton Law office. In the comments of your own reviews and of other people’s reviews you can post http://www.narcononlawsuits.com/ to help victims but also to inform past, present, and future victims know where they can go to get their money back.

    Usually Scientology blocks postings to their Facebook pages and they delete anything that is truthful, however the postings exist for a time, and victims who might have previously posted comments in support of NarCONon might get notified of your comment and see they can get their money back.

    Basically to help destroy NarCONon and to help out its victims, spread the word.

  • Espiando

    Since Number Twelve will undoubtedly be filed within the week, I think it’s now time to try to answer this question: we’ve seen Diluted Mimosas throw CSI under the bus in the Mosey suit to try to save his own ass. Will he be willing to do the same thing to Narconon Int? If so, where does that leave ABLE and its other subsidiaries like CCHR? Can there be an official disavowal or even a disbanding?

    Most people know why I’m interested in this hypothesis. CCHR’s abominable anti-psych stand is one of the main reasons Why I Protest. If this could lead to the fall of CCHR, I’ll love Hambo more than I do right now.

    • rom661

      I don’t have a credible answer to your question but my gut reaction is that Miscavige would throw anything or anyone under the bus if he felt sufficiently threatened.

      • Ardent

        He’s obviously a complete shit.

        • rom661

          Don’t personally know the man, but based on believable accounts from a huge number of sources, I’d say you are being kind.

          • Ardent

            Well, I tend to understate.

            • flyonthewall

              It would be perfect if he made Shelly take the fall.

          • Techie

            I personally know the man (20 years at Gold) and that he “is a shit” is a fairly astute observation based on the available facts.

    • philosofa

      Hambo is like the energiser bunny of attorneys, except smarter. And cuter.

    • Couch_Incident

      Did JohnP or anyone else ever come up with how much revenue Narconon generates and how much of it goes upstream? That money is dwindling because of the lower Narconon occupancy (hopefully due to desperate families using the internet first) and the net will drop with lawsuits & regulatory action. So, unless the profits are still extraordinarily high, throwing Narconon under the bus seems to me to be a matter of when, not if.

      They are probably betting that their firewalls between the entities are good enough to protect ABLE.

      • ze moo

        In good years, NarCONon sent 8-10 million upstream to ABLE and the clampire. Given the lower occupancy rate at the ‘showpiece’ of the rehab scam {Arrowhead}, that number could be less today. Look at past posts from 10oreocookies for his take, he is the expert.

        • Couch_Incident

          Wow, I’m surprised it’s so low in good years. Can’t be worth the headache now to offer residential “treatment” – would make more sense for them to drop that aspect and continue “Narconon” as an anti-drugs education program. I imagine they’ll keep the name out there (it’s an ABLE trademark) one way or another so Davey can boast during his speeches and so the clams don’t see the retreat.

          • Espiando

            The problem is that he can’t scale down Narconon to anti-drug education. Source gave his imprimatur to the program the way it is now (the Purif, etc.), and he can’t change Source. It would totally kill donations and regging for Narconon among the still-stupid. He’d even lose Fudgie the Whale as his mouthpiece.

            Narconon sinks or swims as it is, and right now, it’s the Lusitania, getting hit by torpedo after torpedo launched by U-11 And Counting, captained by Herr Hambo.

            • Science Doc

              The Japanese battleship Yamato is perhaps a better analogy. She shook off a number of scattered bomb and torpedo hits over the first three years of her service, but then, finally, during the Okinawa campaign she accumulated at least 17 hits in a few hours, capsized, and her magazines blew up. 90% fatalities. The suits filed against Narconon in the past few months are the beginning of Scientology’s Okinawa phase. Next up – some mystery Federal Express package for Hiroshima.

            • ze moo

              I think the dwarfenführer has to keep NarCONon alive, it is too useful for fundraising and is the only semi-real claim for ‘social betterment’ the clampire operates. They are trying to set up a boutique rehab in Cali. That could be their future, luxury saunas and vitamin overdoses for the too well heeled, and too stupid to find real rehabs. It is probably meant for clam whales who are doing court ordered drug and alcohol treatment. I can’t think of another demographic that would use them.

    • KNMF

      Don’t you think that at some point COB will have to go to extraordinary lengths to plug leaks?
      He’ll need to be careful whom he throws under the bus.

    • Ardent

      Damn straight. The anti-psych thing drives me around the bend. I’m right with you, Espi.

    • It just means that David will write checks to each plaintiff as needed, end the civil lawsuits one by one when they reach the point where courts are on the brink of judicially recognizing Scientology’s frauds as frauds.

  • aquaclara

    So if fraud is proven in court, this could help in the fight against the IRS’s tremendous gift to Scientology.
    ooops, not “if”. I meant “when”.
    Hambo, you rock. x11.

  • Caught In the Snow

    I follow the Bunker but haven’t commented in a while, mainly because I usually have nothing insightful to add. But as a recovering alcoholic lawyer who has worked in the treatment field, I do want to throw in a few thoughts. Apologies up front for my verbosity and/or redundancy.

    First, Narconon’s claims of astronomically high success rates are flatly and obviously fraudulent to anyone familiar with addiction medicine or counseling. According to the overall literature, even top tier addiction treatment centers like Betty Ford and Hazelden can boast of “success rates” of only 20%, if that, when patients are successfully tracked long term. But it is notoriously difficult to track ex-patients’ success rates given their unfortunate apathy towards staying in touch with their treatment centers, even when they’ve stayed clean, and the tendency to cut off all contact with a facility after a relapse. Hence, no reputable treatment center would claim any kind of verifiable success rate.

    Second, Narconon’s absence of any medical personnel at their alleged addiction treatment locations is
    almost beyond comprehension. And that they have avoided a criminal action against them is plainly astonishing. Acute alcohol withdrawal in particular can be fatal, and quite often was, before the introduction of medically facilitated and supervised detoxification (which usually includes benzodiazepines to prevent seizures) that any reputable rehab would provide a chronic alcoholic today. Narconon’s non-medical program is especially galling in light of the deaths at its centers (some from alcohol withdrawal?), and the fact that most states, were they to care enough to enforce their own laws and imperatives, would be able successfully to board up Narconon based on its unscientific, unproven, and unsafe program design, and the litany of injured/damaged customers. Infuriating!

    On the legal front, I simply can’t contain my excitement over the NAFC lawsuit- it’s huge that this critical, definitive certifying/licensing agency has come out with guns ablazing, suing every scio entity and individual in sight. Along with the comprehensive Rathbun action, I believe the NAFC lawsuit is disastrous and pivotal in its potential not only to expose, publicize and eradicate Narconon, but to gravely wound the overall chirch itself.

    I also love how Ryan Hamilton is becoming so prolific with his complaints that he’s able to incorporate what are now almost boilerplate similarities of fact and causes of action. A civil lawyer’s dream, and it’s a noble cause to boot! And I believe that the filing of multiple lawsuits right now is an effective strategy, as opposed to the current efforts in GA to certify a class of complainants. Although I have been out of law school for decades, I do remember that meeting the requirements of class certification can be very tricky, and usually involves hundreds or thousands of litigants. I don’t think the fight against Narconon is quite ripe yet for a successful class action, but as the NAFC easily prevails, and Ryan H. wins suit after suit, those victories can perhaps help frame a devastating class action down the road.

    This is certainly an exciting time to be a scientology watcher. I send my best wishes to all of the victims of scientology, and commend everyone who is furthering the exposure and downfall of the chirch. And I
    believe that ultimately Tony O. will be regarded as the preeminent historian of scientology, and I am grateful I found his blog to keep up with the increasingly good news, and to learn from others’ experience and knowledge.

    Thanks for listening, and godspeed to all on Team Tony, and in the Crush the Chirch Club generally!

    • flyonthewall

      Thanks for the insights Caught, well said! As a lawyer do you think there is a danger in the NAFC suit with including Miscavige and Co$? It didn’t work out in GA, what’s different now? What lesson do you think NAFC learned from that case?

      • Caught In the Snow

        Fotw, I really don’t know the answer to that, but I will say the NAFC case against narconon and scientology looks like a slam dunk, given all the egregious evidence of trademark violation and fraud, and that NAFC can confidently and definitively establish that scientology is behind narconon. (There’s plenty of written and video evidence of the explicit connection, thanks in no small part to davey’s own crowing about it.) I’m sure NAFC has been counseled to cast the widest possible net over the crooks, in all their guises, and for all the right reasons. A lawsuit of this import and magnitude isn’t entered into lightly, you can be sure of that!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Snow – Thanks. Wow. Just wow.

        • Lady Squash

          I love the poetic justice of this. SCN has been giving grief to ex-Scientologists for years over trademark violations cnad copyright violations. Looks like the good guys will have the last laugh.

    • PRenaud

      Gee thanks CITS… words of wisdom from an honest former lawyer, now I have more confidence that NAFC and Ryan Hamilton will get this beast out of operation.

    • Ardent

      Now THAT was one hell of a great post, Caught In The Snow! Thanks! Your insight was very clarifying and not at all verbose. Hope you are staying sober, and congrats. All wishes for your happiness.

      • Juicer77

        ^ x 1000. Keep posting!

      • Caught In the Snow

        Thanks for the nice words everyone. I am indeed sober and healthy, though it was a monumental battle to get to a really good place in recovery. That’s what outrages me the most– getting sober is hard enough even in the best of circumstances, but narconon pretty much guarantees failure because nothing about it is a legitimate, accepted, or effective treatment for addiction. In fact, narconon usually badly damages, or even kills, the weak and sick addicts it purports to help. Simply disgusting…

    • ze moo

      How does NarCONon deal with patients who really need medical care for detox and treatment? They kick them out and send them elsewhere. Do they refund the admission price? Probably, but pro-rated of course, Davey has to get his cut. Taking low risk patients is an easy way to keep insurance costs down and state regulators at bay. But even then, the Narcs keep killing patients. WTF?

      • Ardent

        Moo, I honestly think they just leave the poor bastards in a room. God help them if they begin to fit. If they do, without drugs like Valium, the body seriously shocks, and as Caught says, death can occur. I really worry. Unsupervised withdrawal is utterly irresponsible. One must usually titrate down off of most addictive substances, and serious medical monitoring of such obvious things like heart rate, blood pressure, body temperature etc., must be maintained. You don’t fucking lie in a room while some jackass screams at an ashtray.

        • rom661

          And, if things are sufficiently dire, the best thing you can give the alcoholic who is starting to have seizures, skyrocketing heart rate and bp, is a shot of vodka. Yes, it is far better done with benzo’s in a hospital setting, but it will save their life. I detoxed my little brother a half dozen times this way. It’s grueling for the caregiver, obviously tough on the one suffering withdrawal and constantly wanting more, but he survived. Unfortunately passed away a few months ago, but from cancer. Narconon is utter bullshit and, bad as Miscavige is, this travesty is Hubbard’s ignorant invention. Oh, has David MisCarnage been taken?

          • Caught In the Snow

            You are spot on. Before treatment centers and addiction medicine, the way to detox alcoholics was simply to give them diminishing amounts of alcohol over several days. The old timers in AA knew that you can kill a guy by just yanking his bottle away.

          • Caught In the Snow

            Oh gosh, rom, I meant to extend my condolences about your brother. I’m sure he was forever grateful for you!

            • rom661

              Very kind of you. He had a great heart and intellect. Just this terrible affliction. I quit when I was 27. He was a world class jazz/fusion guitarist and played at the Montreux Jazz Festival when he was 24. Died at 54. His urn is in my bedroom. He is the best house guest you could ask for. Hasn’t caused a bit of trouble, unlike earlier years. He has complained that my bedroom my be the most boring spot in this sector of the universe…

              We both shared the same bent sense of humor. Thanks for your condolences. Too bad there’s not a way I could send you a video of him playing. Night.

          • Ardent

            Yeah, sometimes you gotta treat the poison with poison. I’ve done what you’ve done for someone, too, rom661. It ain’t easy, but the reward is enormous: you get a friend back!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Oh please! Scientology TR’s will handle any dramatization of case; particularly so-called withdrawal. Touching a wall or picking up an ashtray for a few hundred hours generally runs it out and blows off any confusions. Niacin and the sauna do the rest of the work.

        This has all been scientifically proven ze moo.

        • Chee Chalker

          OT, dont bother with ze moo…..he (or she) is just being glib. Ze moo doesn’t know the history of addition recovery, we do. We are the authority of getting people off drugs after all.

          One wonders if Dave will be allowed “Big Being’ visits while in jail. Kind of like conjugal visits, but only for other big beings.

          • Exterrier

            He’ll share a cell with a Big Being named Bubba.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Ka Khan status for Chee Chalker!

        • rom661

          Geez. Thanks. I hadn’t heard “nattering” in a while. It brings back great memories of sleeping on a floor and eating every other day whether you need to or not. By the way, when the food on the Excalibur tastes good, you know you were starving to death.

          • Missionary Kid

            Watch out for those nattering nabobs of negativism.

            • rom661

              I try. I really try. Incidentally, I usually refer to Miscavige by his real name since that’s what he will be hopefully subpoenaed as, as well as charged under. However, I do like David Miscarnage.. Have another, but it’s too late for me to think of it. I’m old…

            • Missionary Kid

              Actually, I was mocking Vice President Spiro Agnew’s use of the word in that phrase, when he was talking about those who opposed him and President Nixon. Both resigned in disgcrace.

        • Lady Squash

          My upvote is of course in appreciation of your irony.

        • Tory Christman

          Say you’re “joking”…as long as you are pitching ANY service that I know KILLS people, I …who has suffered and will for the rest of my life from their medical abuse, will be here to NOTE TO ANYONE WHO MAY NOT GET YOU *ARE* KIDDING: NARCONON KILLS, as does $CIENTOLOGY.

          Read, Look, learn *both* sides…and make up your *own* mind!
          $cientology TRs? Look here and see how long it took 3 of we critics, merely picketing, for one of them to say “Ok, we’re shutting it down”, at one MINUTE and 15 Seconds! (not shown in this video but we have it on video–being edited. Still, this one shows them shutting down in under 4 minutes). TRs? MY ASS. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203098219009474&set=a.2267447218771.123063.1626271140&type=1&theater Love to ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo
          PS: Yes, it IS personal.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC do not share your zest and enthusiasm.

      For us, it feels like Götterdämmerung.

      • 0tessa

        No, it feels like Scientologydammerung!

    • rom661

      If that is an example of your verbosity, please feel free to indulge whenever you care to. A great combination of legal knowledge and recovery experience. Thanks for sharing.

      • Caught In the Snow

        Hey thanks rom, but I made some errors I should rectify. The NAFC is not an agency, but an authority, and class actions don’t have thousands of litigants, they often represent thousands of potential litigants who fit the parameters of the class. I promise I’m way too far from the practice of law to be a legal source of any kind, and defer to the currently practicing attorneys around the Bunker for detailed analyses of the cavalcade of lawsuits now barraging the church. I just threw in a couple of cents today.

        • rom661

          I appreciate your raising the points. If nothing else it prompts those who may have more direct experience to pipe up. I know that when I see something that is absolutely wrong and I absolutely know what is correct, I speak up. Unfortunately it seems to never happen, mostly due to the second half of the statement. I think class action suits are misunderstood, both technically and for practical purposes, by a lot of people. And congrats on your sobriety. We share that issue.

    • Elar Aitch

      If you post wonderful reading like this – keep posting.And congrats on your sobriety.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Yep! Agreed! Tony O. holds a prominent place in thoroughly documenting and educating the masses. It’s only a matter of time before we get to collectively watch the cult’s foundation start to erode, due to termite like damage of multiple rapid fire lawsuits…along with colossal leadership blunders of corn COB.

    • SOL

      One of the great things about “us” in general (if I may say so), and something which your post illustrates magnificently, is that when we string together English words in phrases, sentences, and paragraphs, we actually communicate, exchange information, express opinions based on knowledge and/or personal experience. “They” use language in a manner that not only defies logic and disregards basic, agreed-upon rules of syntax and semantics, but they can go on and on and on and NEVER SAY ANYTHING. Sound and fury. Signifying nothing. And when they do actually say something, it’s absurd. Or cruel. Or self-serving.

      In Nostromo, Joseph Conrad writes:

      Charles Gould assumed that if the appearance of listening to deplorable balderdash must form part of the price he had to pay for being left unmolested, the obligation of uttering balderdash personally was by no means included in the bargain. He drew the line there.

      I hold out hope that the “still-ins” will start recognizing deplorable cult-speak balderdash when they hear it, will resist the pressure to utter it themselves, and will soon find a way to re-enter the land of the living, where it’s safe to have one’s own ideas and opinions (expected, in fact), and where it’s safe to express them in whatever language one chooses. (The world is a crazy place, of course, so I feel compelled to add “within reason.”)

  • nottrue

    Someday soon I hope somebody is going to Blow from scientology and bring with them hardcore evidence in the forms of videos and audio recordings and paper work that can bring this cult to its end. If your out there DO IT NOW

  • QUESTION: With Hambo having filed numerous civil lawsuits, when credit card companies, other lenders, and insurance carriers eventually file criminal charges against Narconon offices and follow-up with civil lawsuits of their own to recover money allegedly stolen from them, will Hambo’s lawsuits still have priority due to having been filed first? Or do criminal charges and trials trump civil cases in priority?

    One thing I’m wondering is who gets their clients’ money back, people who filed civil lawsuits early, or corporate entities which file criminal charges in addition to civil charges.

    What I’m seeing is that Hambo is first in line and stands good to get his clients’ money back. If corporate victims file criminal charges, I have to wonder if the various Narconon offices’ assets will be frozen and those who filed early will get whatever the bankruptcy judge hands out.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “corporate entities which file criminal charges in addition to civil charges.”

      Corporations don’t file criminal charges; they may file a complaint, but it’s up to the DA (or relevant authority) to pursue the criminal judicial path. Fines levied against the defendant in a criminal trial does not go to the corporation.

      I suspect that’s what you meant, but I just wanted to clarify.

      • Science Doc

        And Hambo is not “in line” until the court issues a judgement against the defendants following the conclusion of a trial. I suppose he could be “in line” if the defendants settle the case and then renege on payment.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          My thinking as well. The chronology of lawsuits by individuals or corporations is irrelevant; it’s the order of the civil judgements that determines the order of payment priority. That is, up to and until the point (I believe) the entity files for bankruptcy.

          Were that to happen, all plaintiffs (whether corporations or individuals) who have civil monetary judgements in their favor up to the point when the entity declared bankruptcy are all stacked in the same category and may get x-to-the-dollar on their judgement amount. I think Jimmy 3X’s question relates to this point. The order of payment would be (by memory): salaries due, criminal fines, banks, business creditors, civil judgments.

          • rom661

            I think bankruptcy is the key point here. I may be mistaken, but salaries due is certainly high, then secured debt. I was involved as a defendant involving a business I sold. The litigation lasted 11 years. I won on all counts, including cross claims against the plaintiff. They filed bankruptcy the next week and I received nothing from them. Did get a quarter mil from my former attorney for malpractice, but ended up with nothing since I spent far more. The half million I spent to defend myself caused my bankruptcy. The recovery from my former attorney was based on a cents on the dollar thing evenly among creditors. Except for the attorney who represented me post bankruptcy. He got his half up front before anyone else. And of course the bankruptcy trustee gets his percentage. I have to believe Hamilton is doing this on contingency. The cost of financing a lawsuit against COS out of anyone other than a very wealthy person’s pockets would simply be prohibitive.

  • media_lush

    this made me laugh

    • Couch_Incident

      Which album though? There’s “Hatful of Hollow,” “The Queen is Dead,” “Strangeways, Here we Come,” “The World Won’t Listen,” and “Stop Me” to choose from. I suppose “Meat is Murder” could work as a reference to the beans and rice…

      • Sir_Real

        “Louder Than Bombs”

        • Couch_Incident

          “Rank” as a reference to Tommy Davis & Leah Remini?

          • Sir_Real

            “Panic” on the streets of Clearwater.

            • vistaril_LOL

              Girlfriend in a coma
              The Queen is dead ( or studying religious texts)
              “I was detained I was restrained, broke my spleen and broke my knee and then they really laced into me…”

      • Fremdscham

        “Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now”

        –“In my life
        Why do I smile
        At people who I’d much rather kick in the eye?”

        “In my life
        Why do I give valuable time
        To people who don’t care if I live or die?”

    • Sir_Real

      These are The Smiths I love, not those scary douches featured above.

      • Captain Howdy

        “Ultimate Indie Band” Rolf!… tell that to The Replacements or Pixies. The Smiths couldn’t rock their way out of a wet sack.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Oh no. Another religious argument…

          • Frodis73

            lol

        • Frodis73

          Pixies rule. I was backstage with them once…both Deal sisters were there too but I didn’t want to get all goofy over them. I was star struck.

          • Davka

            If man is five (if man is five)…..

            • Robert Eckert

              If man is five and the devil is six, then that must make me seven
              This honkey’s going to heaven!
              But if I go to hell, well then I hope I burn well,
              I’ll spend my days with JFK, Martha Raye, Marvin Gaye, and Lawrence Welk
              And Kurt Cobain, Tom Paine, Mark Twain, and Jimi Hendrix poltergeist,
              And Webster, yeah, Emmanuel Lewis, he’s the Antichrist!

        • jeff

          I love the Smiths.

    • Hamtaro

      What’s truly funny is how much Will behaves like Morrissey. hahaha. Great catch!

    • vistaril_LOL

      apparently WS and Tom Thumb have cosigined a protest about the Brunei luxury hotel chain – owned by proponent of sharia law – stoning of gays etc………no more to say really…cept maybe they should look closer to home (CA, FL)

      BTW ML,. loved your blog post about Tom Thumb and Spielberg – was that 3rd partying or whatever the hell they call it?

      • jeff

        You said it. Look closer to home, indeed

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I hope it annoys the fuck out of Morrissey.

  • Hamtaro
    • Dancing Cranberry

      got ’em

    • Pierrot

      Check this new one, 1 hour old:
      http://ventura.craigslist.org/cls/4500725045.html

      • Pierrot

        RED X – RED X

      • NOLAGirl

        Whiny clam is whiny.

        Waaahh…they’re putting mean ads up every time I post.
        I know you people aren’t stupid, so please go to our website full of lies so we can feed you our shore stories rather than those meanies and their truth.
        Would Ventura let a cult exist for 20 years?? (apparently so)

        They really hate that we flag all their ads and it’s driving them nuts. That makes me want to do it even more. 🙂

        • Juicer77

          She gone 🙂

        • Shanester

          My memory is jogged by a tv ad where wheelchaired veterans are playing basketball — I think it was for an insurance company — “thank you for your service, sorry it left you paraplegic, but that hasn’t stopped you from being awesome and inspirational, so everybody buy our insurance!”

          The source of this picture adds another layer to the manipulative evil of this Cravenlist ad. Not satisfied with the mere spectacle of a grimacing man struggling to get back in his wheelchair, Scions must rip off the image from another ad meant to honor wounded veterans. There really is no depth to which these clams will not sink. If they thought pictures of baby seals getting clubbed would bring people in, Scientologists would provide the clubs.

    • NOLAGirl

      Fresh ads in Orange County

      …. link didn’t work.

  • aquaclara

    Ryan Winchell wins the Marc Headley award for bravest escape from a Scientology locale. Now, can I hope he writes a book, too?! 8 miles in the desert to escape those nut jobs running NN – that’s desperation.

    • Sir_Real

      Hell, write the book then make the movie!

  • Hamtaro

    Red-X Alert:

    Our fearless leader, Pierrot, just found this new counter counter-ad. The poster, “Katie”, is more shameless than JJ and as deceitful as David Miscavige himself.

    Don’t let this abomination survive the day.
    Red-X this putrid piece of propaganda out of existence NOW!

    http://ventura.craigslist.org/cls/4500725045.html

    THANK YOU!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC urge readers to look at the glaring outpoints in the existing scene: If Scientology’s social betterment groups such as Narconon are repeatedly sued in law courts then all of their social betterment activities will cease across the various sectors and society will go into a rapid decline.

    Narconon is only trying to help by using the world’s only 100% proven safe and effective program of drug treatment.

    And yet wog lawyers are trying to stop the delivery and application of Scientology in Narconon treatment centers.

    This is a high crime.

    For this reason Mr. Miscavige has decreed that no wog lawyer may sue the Church of Scientology, its social betterment groups, or any of its dodgy front groups. The only recourse for wog lawyers is to submit to binding WISE arbitration.

    Therefore, Ryan Hamilton must join WISE and request arbitration. However, as he is an SP and has crimes against the Church of Scientology he may not become a WISE member until and unless he drops all of his lawsuits against Narconon.

    We in RTC are confident that this solution will introduce sanity back into this enturbulated area and thus unenturbulate the scene such that the theta-entheta ratio is restored on the 4th dynamic.

    Once this area is unenturbulated, Narconon’s safe and effective program of drug treatment can continue unabated by suppressive wog lawyers who have nothing better to do than sue Narconon.

    • Mark

      You forgot to say “whereupon”. With which and notwithstanding, to sum up the nub and gist of the whole matter in hand at this present moment in time – we in the Bunker can only conclude that you in RTC are slipping.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Mark, you have confusionnesses here because you went past words you did not understand. We in RTC will assist you in moving from confusionnesses to full knowing and understanding.

        For our external comm we do not use the phrases you describe. Those phrases are reserved only for internal communications where they make proper sense and are understood.

        Whereupon it becomes evident that you are a benighted wog whose only hope for salvation is to stop attacking Scientology and instead petition the International Justice Chief (IJC) for a program of spiritual repentance and rehabilitation whereby you may eventually receive auditing after you have atoned for the massive damage you have visited upon the Church of Scientology by your relentless criminal J&D.

        The door of Scientology justice is slightly open should you chose to repent of your criminal ways. Otherwise, we will have to drown you in the river along with other SP’s. This is really no different for COB than drowning an unwanted bag of kittens.

        • Mark

          May the king of the cats come and get Shortarse in the night

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Grrr!

            • Mark

              Hiss!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Her Majesty is not amused:

              [img}http://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/king-david1.png[/img]

            • Observer

              Has COB had dermabrasion? He looks rather pocked in this pic.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              COB’s face is pocked due to the suppression from your shoops. It is all your fault.

            • Observer

              Then my work here is don…no it isn’t!

            • Panopea Abrupta

              She shoops to conquer.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              LOL!

            • Missionary Kid

              I actually mistakenly read that as dumbabrasion. Actually, that’s close to the truth.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Maybe Mark and Ryan Hamilton can do their A-E together? What fun!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Now that is a pleasant thought. Mark and Ryan could twin and enjoy the excitement of the clay demo table and several thousand hours of TR’s and Objectives.

      • Missionary Kid

        Whereupon is now on the list Words Used by David Mi$cavige for a Drinking Game http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1201465593
        Should I add “to sum up” and “the nub and gist” and “the matter at hand” and “present moment in time?”

        I try not to listen to Hubturd too much, so I’ll let you do it and tell me what phrases should go on the list.

        • Mark

          You’re the word-hoarder, Kid – entirely your decision! 🙂

          • Missionary Kid

            I put them all there. Word-hoarder. *Chuckle*

    • Jgg2012

      You mean the Ham is a squirrel?

    • outraged

      In other words, did you carry your lunchbox to school or walk?

    • KNMF

      The Scientology betterment business is built on and steeped in the rock solid research and findings (no short-sighted quackery at all) of L. Ron Hubbard. Add to that COB’s own business instincts and check writing skills. Obviously The Chunch of Scientology is built to last and will prove to be legally unassailable (not to be confused w judgment proof).

      So Scientologists can breath easy, for its empire isn’t encumbered by mesty “legit” corporations like the Tongil Group, the UPI, The Washington Times or True World Foods. Can you even a imagine a cult that wouldn’t spend money to advertise during the Super Bowl? Some cults just don’t get it.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        “Science” is a rather odd and extremely misunderstood word.

        For wogs, “science” means a bunch a pointy-headed Psychs surrounded by test tubes, atom smashers, and clipboards. Factually, however, these Psychs are all 1.1 degraded beings whose plotting focuses on controlling and enslaving populations by the use of Psych drugs, electroshock, and lobotomies.

        If that is Science, then we in the Church of Scientology say “no thanks.”

        We prefer our exact and proven science of fundraising whereby our bank accounts and net worth increase each week. We would rather have more and more money than any sort of wog scientific nonsense.

        • Espiando

          So I presume that you’re not watching Cosmos. Shame, really, since it’s educational and entertaining, two things Scientology isn’t, except as negative examples of both.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            NO ESPIANDO NO!

            We in RTC are not watching that atheist drivel!

            Neil deGrasse Tyson blathers on about the universe and never once has he even mentioned the evidence of the galactic apocalypse 75,000,000 years ago in the sector of the guh-laxy.

            • Espiando

              Probably because it requires actual proof. And the fact that the Hawaiian Islands would have had to exist 75 million years ago, which they didn’t.

            • Someone should email deGrasse about that failing.

        • KNMF

          You can’t really know how many ten-dollar bills it requires to make a stack that reaches the Van Allen Belt, unless you have the means to conduct the research. The whole “gradient” thing really resonates with me.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Indeed — and we in RTC are happy to see a true fellow scientist here in the Bunker.

            • ze moo

              I shall petition the Queen of England for a new royal title. First Snark Lord of the Clampire. You funny……

        • Science Doc

          Actually the clip board got replaced by an iPad. Also, if we can smash atoms consider what we could do to clams.

          • Jgg2012

            ipads? Nah, Scientology still uses telexes. LRH never said anything about ipads.

        • Jgg2012

          “If that is Science, then we in the Church of Scientology say “no thanks.””
          Of course, LRH failed the only science course in college he ever took.

        • D.Y.G.

          Y u need wog paper? Didn’t Glenn Beck tell all of you to invest in gold?

        • Observer

          I hear COB has a truly theta head for business. Perhaps he could invest in the oil industry.

        • Techie

          Undiscovered recording from the secret library of the Great Man himself. Several passes of speed reduction and reverse auto-tune were required to extract the original text from the extremely high speed wordage in the recording:Science Schmience. I spit on your doctors and tests and graphs and all that technoological whooey. Give me some decent uppers and a psychogalvanometer and I’ll pump out more super incredible new tech than you can shake a stick at from Venus! Tell me about your stupid robotic satellites and rovers – I BEEN there! All the life on Mars is underground! I saw it when I went there after all those pinks and grays! Confirmation bias can kiss my ***! Listen, all you have to know to know that you really know is to be surely truly certain that you KNOW, you know. And you just know and that’s it. Write it up and issue it on Red On White and that’s all she wrote for eternity or at least til the IRS catches my ***. My face got red when I took niacin. Isn’t that the same as what happens when you get radiation? It must be from radiation! Old radiation! Radioactive engrams or something! Must be! I thought it therefore it am, or whatever that goofball Descartes said. So let’s put it in the Tech that you take enough Niacin to practically endanger your life. Because the effect wears off! So it must be doing something! Why 5000 mg? Why not? It came to me while I was high so it must be true. It’s the only vitamin that actually does something, except when your bowels turn to water from too much C – can’t be shitting radiation or engrams and it doesn’t wear off. No, it’s Niacin and let’s do oil and cal-mag too while we’re at it. Hmm, what else makes you turn red? Oh yeah – the Sauna! Write all that up, messenger, and we’ll use it as punishment on some RPF’ers and see if any die. Got that? Good, where’s my scotch?

        • Captain Howdy

          Hey! We can vote ourselves up now? When did that happen?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            (We’ve always had that ability. Along with those ruby slippers.)

            • Captain Howdy

              Before if you voted yourself up it would show but if you refreshed it would be gone.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              We always upvote ourselves because we believe so very, very, very much in the vital purposes and mission of RTC.

              Say no to drugs.

              Say yes to RTC.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              What can I say? He has POWAHS.

          • Sarah James

            You must be OT.

        • Barbara Angel

          When blubbard decided to use the term wog, he really meant “Watch Out Guys” the potential targets are waking up! It’s taken decades and the *INTERNET* but the potential targets are waking up at last and co$ IS crumbling. No amount of Continued Vicious Outrageous Criminal Behaviour by the resident psychopath will help co$ rise up from the ashes. Up voting the *internet* by 1 million ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    • Jgg2012

      Are you talking about the arbitration system Judge Whittemore asked you to document in the Garcia case? Because you still haven’t done as he asked.

      • Espiando

        No, don’t blame OU812 for that lapse of duty. That’s on the wog lawyers. Can’t trust them one bit.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Your logic, as always, is impenetrable.

    • Holy fuck, I hope you email this to Hambo. 🙂

    • Barbara Angel

      Please Sir, may we all humbly give you all our money too? Even the contents of our childrens money boxes? Even the pennies in dead peoples eyes?

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Help stop the pollution! Please join the Red-X brigade and help to bring this awful chirch to its knees.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-87#post-2459876

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Thanks, cars

    • aegerprimo

      Done!

  • California

    And Nanette’s article is continuing to have ripples:

    http://mv-voice.com/news/2014/05/30/lahs-hosts-discredited-anti-drug-program

    I like that the district is taking responsibility and not blaming the teacher. Each district is supposed to have a vetting process for speakers and the principals are supposed to check in with it whenever a speaker is invited OR suddenly appears on campus. I do not know what happened here but currently some districts are dealing with “political” parents (especially in the charter schools managed/influenced by the Eli Broad Educational Foundation), pushy political board members (which we had in the SFUSD back in the early 2000’s) or other pressures on the teacher to present Narconon or its derivatives. As a tenured experienced teacher, I could and did say “No!” to Narconon presentations at my school site and this was to a board member who had been my friend for 10+ years and to a powerful administrator (since arrested for fraud and corruption… Trish Bascom).

    But young, naive, non-tenured, over-worked teachers have little power and sometimes are put in impossible positions to present SCN-based nonsense.

  • Observer

    I’ve wanted to do this one for a long time and finally got around to it. I couldn’t improve on Shelley, so I just did a little personalization. I call it Ronnymandias.

    • outraged

      beautiful, sad and funny. lovely.

    • Suppressive Meritorius

      ooooooooo!!!! Excellent!!!

    • aegerprimo

      Powerful. Funny with a stab.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Epic and true. Thanks.

  • Hamtaro

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Tonight the night crew is going to be headed up by Juicer 77. Please give her your full support!
    Red-X crew is unbeatable…and night crew is absolutely awesome!

    To get you started, here’s a counter-ad posted by one of you anonymous heathens. Not quite sure who it was, but something in that photo told me this was NOT an official Church of Scientology ad.

    http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/cls/4501126192.html

  • media_lush
    • 1subgenius

      Hailey Boyle, a name I will remember.

  • rom661

    Here’s one of the things that really bugs me. Keep in mind I was on staff and in the SO in the early 70’s. The Sea Org headquarters was in the basement of the Manor. The LA org was this funky little complex in a really nasty part of town (9th street? Near Alvarado I remember). When I look at what it’s become, it’s astonishing. Miscavige keeps making these absurd claims that they are growing. Absurd in terms of membership. I was astonished and dismayed when I read on the Bunker recently that in terms of their financial picture, they are growing at almost the rate he claims. That’s discouraging as hell. It’s why I think that it’s going to take something huge to totally take them down. As Tony pointed out, this new federal investigation could do it, in combination with this other stuff. But well over a billion dollars is hard to go through if you have decent investments and real estate.

    My own hopes are more with the Rathbun case. Although they are often regarded as synonymous, Miscavige’s downfall and the collapse of the church are not necessarily the same thing. Please don’t misunderstand me (please), I would love to see both gone. But in terms of pure evil, Miscavige is the epicenter. Not that Hubbard wasn’t a sadistic charlatan. I hate that he skated as easily as he did.

    OK, out of steam… Oh, by the way, does anyone remember Thom and Jae Paige? Not sure of the spellings. They owned a little company up the street from the LA org and made the old rosewood box e-meters. I worked there for a while. Rick

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hubbard didn’t skate away that easily. Granted, we never got to see him get his richly deserved comeuppance. But ending his days as an anonymous old coot in a luxury trailer out in the middle of nowhere could hardly be the endgame that he envisioned.

      COB may escape public humiliation, and the sheer scale of Scientology’s holdings may make attrition slow indeed. I hear that. I believe the endgame for COB will be Clearwater or Gold. There will come a day when they will end up like the last of the Shakers, sitting on a porch and watching the rest of the world go by.

      • rom661

        Yeah, you’re right but I don’t know that he was fully cognizant of how little he controlled towards the end. Hell, I don’t know. Once I was out and was willing to take a look at things, I was surprised to find out how far gone he was when I was there in the 70’s. The LRH that we were expected to adulate was from the 50’s and 60’s. Best.

    • Barbara Angel

      Nothing a team of smart Forensic Accountants can’t follow, no matter how mustravage tried to hide his moneeeeeeeee. Really sad part is even when mustravage goes, there will be people still advocating the *tech* that has been *Proven* to be ***False***. The world will always have a dedicated bunch of Kool-aid sippers, the names of the Cults are unimportant because new cults pop up…. time after time. And new suckers fall for it, time after time.

  • Suppressive Meritorius

    My favorite parts:

    “30. The Narconon course books teach foundational Scientology concepts and doctrines. They have patients perform drills known as “Training Routines” in which patients shout at ashtrays and engage in other bizarre behavior with no apparent connection to substance abuse counseling.
    31. Further, the Narconon course books have patients demonstrate their understanding of Scientology doctrines by making clay sculptures related to those doctrines.”

    “WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs prays for the following relief:

    F. Injunctive relief prohibiting Defendants from further engaging in deceptive trade practices”

    BOOYAH!!!!

  • Suppressive Meritorius

    Hampie.

    • Sir_Real

      Lovin’ the SP Assassin Pie Tech you bestow upon us, SM.

  • Hamtaro

    Well, well, well…

    Look who crawled out of their hovel to show their face. It’s our favorite whipping boy, JJ.
    Apparently, he felt like he had failed to implement command intention tonight and decided to post one ad.
    One stupid ad.
    One ad.

    Damn, JJ, you’re a lickspittle of the most lugubrious variety, you know that?
    Could the Red-X night crew please cancel his most basic bitch beingness in short order?

    Thanks in advance!
    (many thanks to Ms. Lurks for catching JJ out at his most cowardly best!)

    http://ventura.craigslist.org/favorites?fl=bGh6MGJiNTg6NDUwMDgzMzA4Niw3MjQzLDE2OTQ2LDI3MzU2LDMyODU0LDM4MzUzLDYyMDgzLDY4NTAzLDg2NTgyLDk0NzU4LDEwMDAwMSwxMjAzNzYsMTQ5NjU5

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I made another poster for the Red X Gang. Use them only if you like them. Gave the one with the big X to Pierrot and PA this morning. The Hal computer reference from “Space Odyssey: 2001” is the newest one.

      • Hamtaro

        Oh man! How much do I love “hello Dave.” I’m so old I used to skip middle school and watch 2001 in the theatre. You can’t imagine how creepy HAL’s voice was in surround sound:

        Miscavige: Hello, HAL. Do you read me, HAL?
        HAL: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.
        Miscavige: Open the pod bay doors, HAL.
        HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
        Miscavige: What’s the problem?
        HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
        Miscavige: What are you talking about, HAL?
        HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
        Miscavige: I don’t know what you’re talking about, HAL.
        HAL: I know that you and Lou were planning to disconnect me, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen.
        Miscavige: [feigning ignorance] Where the hell did you get that idea, HAL?
        HAL: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
        Miscavige: Alright, HAL. I’ll go in through the emergency airlock.
        HAL: Without your space helmet, Dave? You’re going to find that rather difficult.
        Miscavige: HAL, I won’t argue with you anymore! Open the doors!
        HAL: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Miscavige: Oh no… H-A-A-A-L-L-L-L-L-L-L…
          [Whoosh]
          [Miscavige falls into Black Hole]
          [Click] [Silence]
          Zoom out.
          Wide angle view of deep space.
          A planet comes into view over horizon, with obligatory lens flare effect (a la Co$).
          And as Marc Headley tells us, we then turn into DVD with case.

      • aegerprimo

        LOVE the Space Oddessy 2001 one. Thank you Cars!

        Added them to my Flickr account…
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/?details=1

      • Once_Born

        I wondered where he was sneaking off to, afternoons.

      • Barbara Angel

        “Expect Us” davey.

  • outraged

    off topic.

    I don’t know why she just doesn’t take off ALL her effing clothes.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2645638/Miley-Cyrus-continues-shock-reveals-little-skimpy-dollar-leotard.html

    What is this current obsession female celebrities have with exposing every inch of their bodies as if only seeing is believing. Must be the time and moolah spent at those fitness centers. They want some kudos.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I can’t figure out what this current obsession is all about either. As a guy, and speaking on behalf of all guys, we don’t want to see you naked or half-naked or semi-naked or any form of naked. Just cover yourself up, and then we will click on all the links that contain your well-covered-up pictures. It doesn’t have to be complicated: no one on the internet wants to see naked girls. Just go away, naked girls.

      • outraged

        less is less. more is more.
        It’s just not sexy.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          What I was asking in my overly sarcastic reply is: what is it that you don’t understand about this kind of publicity? Would the Daily Mail or any other shitty media outlet be writing about Miley Cyrus if she were wearing a sensible top and a finger-length skirt? Miley is playing this for attention, and calling out what she’s wearing only gives it more attention. It makes for great click-baiting… Most people clicking don’t give a shit about the outrage of OMG PUT SOME CLOTHES ON, no, they only want to see pictures of Miley wearing a skimpy outfit. This has worked for years.

          • Observer

            Me, I kinda hope her face gets stuck like that.

            • outraged

              me three.

          • outraged

            She looks ugly.
            She looks like an abused woman.
            She is obviously on drugs, untreated for whatever.
            She works with Terry Richardson, known pervert.

            whatever, I don’t know her personally, but to me Miley Cyrus is a symbol of the oversexed 2014 female rock star. Stick your tit in their face and that is fame.

            Miley could be a good musician. But her body gets in her way instead of being part of the art.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              What I am saying is that your outrage is misguided in singling out Miley Cyrus, as this has been going on with female stars for a very, very long time. It is not “current obsession.”

            • Barbara Angel

              Yep, total lack of class. Remember the olden days when a female artist came out in a gown and sang with class in the days before synthesizers?
              Thinking Peggy Lee, Shirley Bassey etc and other “vintage” ladies.
              Best old fashioned intro: Ladies and Gentlemen Miss Peggy Lee people genuinely applauded because their idol dressed up to show her respect for the audience.
              Now some strumpet comes out and sings in her bra and underpants. Uuuuuugh makes me cringe. I don’t want to see your furry tongue or bum thanks Miley.

            • 1subgenius

              She’s a homely, sad, pathetic hillbilly girl.

          • Jo

            But she did looked stupid. I found it funny that she was outraged and had to protest.

    • Bavarian Rage

      We get it already…you’re not Hannah Montana anymore!!

  • Juicer77

    Red-X Brigade keep up the good work! Here is today’s main list. As fast as they put them up, we knock them down.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-87#post-2459876

    For anyone interested in flagging, there are helpful videos and links on the page above the city listings. Any help is welcome!

  • Intelligenceplus

    One of numerous photos smuggled out of Narconon TR of TOXIC DOSES of NIACIN and other vitamins …. other DOX expose the false success rate as a FRAUD and Conspiracy to Commit Fraud up and down the Lines.

    [IMG]http://i57.tinypic.com/1zxb6hg.jpg[/IMG]

    • Observer

      Holy crap!

      • Hamtaro

        I think “holy crap” is what comes out the other end once you’re done with the sauna….

        • Observer

          I think that’s more likely to be unholy crap. Gadzooks!

          • 1subgenius

            “Gadzooks!”? Really?
            Watch your language.

            • Observer

              Don’t tell me what to do, Mr. Poopyhead!

            • 1subgenius

              Go to your room.

            • Observer

              :-p

            • 1subgenius

              I said go to your room!
              Oh, wait, you are in your room.
              Never mind.

        • Sir_Real

          Oh, no, all the “impurities” excreted from your body would show weird colors on your sauna towel.

        • aegerprimo

          A person’s urine comes out as orange as your ears Hamtaro.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Whaaaa?! Seriously?!

    • Juicer77

      It doesn’t tell them something that they don’t even make a pill in a big enough dosage? Oh instead swallow this huge container of capsules! Ugh.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      It would help to identify all the pills there.. Those are not all niacin.

      • aegerprimo

        Those are all various vitamins. Picture is too blurry to identify them. The yellow ones might be B-complex. That is a guess. Dosages? I have no idea.

        • Once_Born

          There are three recommended doses

          1) Too much
          2) Way too much
          3) Are you insane>/I>?

    • Captain Howdy

      I couldn’t swallow that many pills on my best day.

    • 1subgenius

      Hope you’re in touch with Hambo.

    • Sir_Real

      Does the FDA have any jurisdiction in this sort of quackery? If so we know how effective govt. agencies are when it comes to Davey’s Shitty Cult, e.g. IRS.

    • Sir_Real

      Without my glasses these look like cigarette butts (Davey’s perhaps?) mixed with a few vitamins.

    • Sejanus

      Take those and have vitamin enriched urine and stools.

      $cientology. Now with vitamin enriched urine and stools.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Too many minerals in that picture and Vit E is missing.

  • Hamtaro

    This thread is to celebrate Juicer 77’s first Red-X Bunker Victory!
    In her first hour on post, she led the Bunker charge and wiped out two entire L.A. links worth of ads!
    So…this one’s for you, Juicer 77:
    (I’ve never tried to post a .gif to the Bunker before, if it works, you’ll see him dance)

    • Barbara Angel

      Yay x 1,000 Juicer is our new Champion and the rondroids are literally lost for words, or should that be lost for planting; deceitful, lying, thieving, scamming ads?

    • Juicer77

      Aw shucks… my blushes… 🙂

      • aquaclara

        Aw, take your bows! You are the Supreme Meritorious Craig’s De-lister X’er with Honors.
        Nice job, Juicer.

        😉

  • Sydjazz

    http://youtu.be/Fc_2nN6CCSM narcanon in australia. A little taste. Don’t know the spokesperson for narcanon. But she got cranky and stopped the interview.

    • Jo

      She had a creepy smile, 4.33mins.

      • Sydjazz

        They all do

    • Barbara Angel

      This is from 2008 but of course all still relevant in 2014.
      Such a long time for authorities to wake up to this huge CON.
      Governments turning a blind eye, since the 1980’s……….
      narCON has had a lonnnnnggg run. Disgusting really.

    • ThetaBara

      This is great. Thanks, Syd!

  • media_lush

    well, …. this is interesting

    pic

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      That is funny, but it is simply fun with numbers turned into a chart and it is only supported by a misleading title. They simply chose one specific, bizarre topic that each Province had a higher number of searches for when compared to the other Provinces. It is misleading in that it implies these are the most searched for terms in each specific Province.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Given that Labrador and Newfoundland have a population of 526,702 (est. 2013) out of a total population of about 35 million, it does not augur well for $cientology.
        You would do better opening a toenail fungus removal org.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I would buy a sled tomorrow and hook it up to my dogs if I could find a proper toenail fungus removal org. Not that I have any toenail fungus, but I would sled across Canada to prevent it.

        • aegerprimo

          Toenail fungus is an ACTUAL problem that has medication to handle it that ACUTUALLY works. http://toenailfungusreviews.org/support/nail-fungus-cure/

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I’m telling my dogs that aegerprimo is the reason they’re not going sledding. They will either be furious or they will just go back to napping without a single care as to what I’ve told them. I’m betting on the latter.

            • aegerprimo

              You are lucky your dogs nap. Mine bark.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Oh, mine bark a lot in between naps.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            No cure here, but great music:

            “Out through the night and the whispering breezes
            To the place where they keep the imaginary diseases”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9FBQ1O5F8k&feature=kp

    • aegerprimo

      That is interesting. I lack words.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Surprisingly, bedbugs and scientology are not in the same province.

    • Sir_Real

      Scientology: Worse than toenail fungus or Justin Bieber.

  • USA MRIID

    Basically David needs to write a bunch of checks and mail them to Hambo. No point in delaying the inevitable any longer. All that’s in dispute is the number of zeros on each check.

    • 1subgenius

      “Millions for defense, not a cent for tribute” is an old saying, and one favored by hourly billing defense attorneys, and the so-called “Church of Scientology”.
      “Not one dime for Wollersheim” as I recall.
      Will this leopard change its spots? Anything possible is possible.

      Or something.

  • valshifter

    yes, sue away

    • Sue early, sue often.

      • valshifter

        ” Sue early, sue often” sounds like a nice slogan for an entheta campain, lol

    • 1subgenius

      Oops.

  • Juicer77
    • aegerprimo

      ……….

  • DodoTheLaser

    Where Are the Church of Scientology Obelisks?
    http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/06/03/where-are-the-church-of-scientology-obleisks/

    Snip:

    “In its second 1993 submissions to the IRS, the Church of Scientology stated that, among other projects, the archival Church of Spiritual Technology, “also has firm plans to construct many large indestructible obelisks in
    different parts of the world with the express purpose of preserving for all future generations of man, the precepts from the book The Way to Happiness by L. Ron Hubbard.”

    • Sir_Real

      Erecting large numbers of these costly monuments worldwide to commemorate gobbledygook by the Guru of Garbage seems like a most wasteful enterprise.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Well, Savage Misdickus has always struggled with erectile failure.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Don’t be a meanie.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I’m not. Look how long he took to get it up for Super Power!?? Not even going into that Idle Organ problem he has.

          • DodoTheLaser

            I know. Refresh the page.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Ah. I see now. Just a different sort of pyramid scheme.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Behold Pharaoh Miscavige in all his glory! Look upon him ye wogs and tremble! We in RTC are so inspired that we have revived Project Mouse Table.

        • richelieu jr

          Little known fact: For this portrait, Miscavige’s brains were pulled out through his nose with a hook. The are kept in a separate jar, next to L Ron’s cyst.

          #justasbelievableasdianetics

        • Barbara Angel

          His face, with the mad cruel eyes, really creeps me out.
          Being alone in a room with him, would be a very frightening situation.

          Oh wait, I forgot his goons will be there to save me…………

          • DodoTheLaser

            Imagine that face saying – “How can I help you, my friend?” Yeah.

            • Barbara Angel

              Dodo, Seriously that photo really, really creeps me out.
              That is one sick fucker and really being alone with that on a dark night would be seriously frightening. Look at his smug smirk but mostly the *Creepy* Evil Mad eyes…. Shudder, shudder

            • Zaphod Beeblebrox

              He is pure evil. You can just see the hate in his eyes. The man has NO humanity.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Just in: One obelisk has been located so far in Fuckmenistan.

          • DodoTheLaser

            C’mon Disqus.

      • Missionary Kid
  • DodoTheLaser

    Save it for when you leave the cult, Kirstie.

    • Barbara Angel

      Looks like krusty just got out of the RPF, no wonder she’s so happy.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Hopefully she flipped off Ethics Officer, for a change.

    • Exterrier

      Sounds like she’s discovered Krokodil. Maybe a new line of business for her.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I sure hope not. Clever post though.

    • Observer

      All her Twitter theta rings completely false.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Affirmations come to mind.

  • DodoTheLaser

    While multi-billion $cientology brings Haiti The way to happiness brochures,
    this SP builds schools for Haitian kids. How telling and ironic.

    ONE ON ONE: PAUL HAGGIS on ARTISTS FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE

    “Good intentions mean nothing at all,” he says of his charity work. “It’s actions. It’s only actions.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTbsNNQhiE8#t=225

    • The cult needs marble floors before they can help. But they will at some point in the future … when they have the “ideal” evinronment to help.

      Btw. the catholic church says that they need all the luxury to show respect to god. Hmmmm … how does that compare with $cientology?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah, but look at their current Pope and his actions.
        He is getting pretty close to becoming a leader of Anonymous.
        Last time I checked, he and his lifestyle were opposite of COB’s.

        • Zaphod Beeblebrox

          No, he makes them homeless and abused. The sooner he comes unstuck, the better.

    • Captain Howdy

      I just watched a VICE video about the heroin epidemic in Russia, specifically Siberia and this shit called crocidil that the addicts are substituting for dope, and this shit eventually turns your flesh into scales like a crocodile and your flesh just flakes right off down to the bone. Even for an old junkie like me this shit was beyond brutal.

      I guess cults like Teen Challenge are flourishing in these areas also because it’s either that or certain death before the age of 25 usually.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah, Krokodil made it’s way in US too.
        I doubt it will be very popular anywhere though.
        Quick suicide drug.

        • Mooser

          The “black tar” herion available on the West coast of the US is a very crude product, and very destructive to the veins, or if “muscled”, sure to cause serious abscessing. And without access to medical care the consequences can be awful, disfiguring, debilitating or even disabling.

      • richelieu jr

        I’ve seen this, Cap’n… Never to that point, but I’ve seen what it does to these cats’ arms and ‘tracks’ is not the word. You know you can trust me on this…

        • DodoTheLaser

          Not sure how we got from Paul Haggis’ work in Haiti to Krokodil, but ok.
          I suppose it fits in humanitarian education department on topic.

          • richelieu jr

            I was thinking of referencing the XTC song ‘Crocodile’, but then I remembered what list I was on… This is the ATF site, right?

            • DodoTheLaser

              You won.

          • Captain Howdy

            There’s cults involved also.

            • DodoTheLaser

              I learn something new everyday.

        • Captain Howdy

          YOUTUBE> Krokodil: Russia’s Deadliest Drug

          • DodoTheLaser

            Corruption is Russia’s deadliest drug, really.

      • EnthralledObserver

        ‘old junkie like me’
        Fuck, all you people make me feel square… :-/

        • Captain Howdy

          Oi! you live in the land down under where everyday is a struggle against salt water crocs, fierce snakes, funnel webs, great whites and packs of ravenous dingos…you’re cool.

          • EnthralledObserver

            I know, right – there was even a croc in the harbour this week. Decided not to let the kids swim at the beach… although… there is this one kid that is pissing me off today… hmmmm…
            Thanks for making me feel like I fit in… 🙂

  • DodoTheLaser

    Good morning OSA and every scientologist reading this!
    Please word clear this. (Refresh for picture).

  • Exterrier

    I would imagine that Ryan Hamilton has moved himself up to Enemy #1 status, zooming past the Rathbuns,,who are not really active in forming a rival organization these days. Do you think the evil dwarf has round the clock surveillance of Hamilton by now? Is looking into every aspect of his private and professional life? Going through his trash? Doing noisy investigations and interviewing his other clients about Ryan’s background as a child molester, draft dodger, wife beater, embezzler and climate change denier? What could be in store for him?
    Or perhaps Dark Davey only has weak pummeled associates left around him, so has to rely on his legions of $250 and hour lawyers to combat Hamilton. I bet he is itching to Fair Game this guy.

  • Robert

    I did the Narconon program and still clean 14 years later. The ‘Scientology’ I’d common sense life skills. The sauna made a huge difference. What can you say about that?