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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Ryan Hamilton files two new suits against Scientology’s drug rehab network — in California

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Ryan Hamilton is branching out.

We’ve reported previously about the two federal fraud lawsuits the Las Vegas attorney has filed against Scientology’s drug rehab facility in Nevada. Now he’s filed two more — against a Scientology facility in San Diego County, California.

Angelo Amato of Illinois is suing the Narconon Fresh Start of Warner Springs after he went there for an addiction to Vicodin. He’s a mixed martial artist who became addicted to the pain pills and in December 2013 he searched the Internet for a rehab center. He found a site that had an 800 number and he called. The site claimed to be an “independent consultant.”

When he called, he spoke to Narconon’s Dan Carmichael.

Carmichael told him the usual thing we’re used to hearing about Narconon’s come-ons, that there would be medical staff on hand, that Amato would get drug counseling, that Narconon staff are trained in addiction treatment, and that the facility had a 76-percent success rate.

As in his previous lawsuits, Hamilton points out that the Narconon contract conceals Narconon’s connection to the Church of Scientology by, in part, altering the title of a book by L. Ron Hubbard.

Amato paid $31,000 up front and began a detox period, and found that he was being monitored not by doctors or nurses, but by a 19-year-old staff worker.

Told he would get his own room, when Amato got to Narconon he found he was asked to stay in a small room with three other men.

Amato then learned what everyone else does in the Narconon program — that it’s not drug counseling but instead the same courses that beginning Scientologists go through in the church, including making clay models to illustrate ideas, and also exercises that has students yelling at ashtrays.

Central to the program is the sauna use, which has students sitting in a sauna for hours each day, and taking extremely high doses of vitamins, all without medical supervision.

“Contrary to Narconon’s claims, there is no scientific evidence that its sauna program flushes residual drug toxins out of students’ fatty tissue. Nor is there any scientific evidence for Narconon’s premise underlying the sauna program: That residual drug toxins stored in fatty tissue leak into the bloodstream and cause drug cravings,” the complaint says.

As in the previous lawsuit, Hamilton quotes Narconon Georgia’s own expert witness in another case, a physician who doubted the effectiveness of the sauna program.

He also shows that former Narconon official Lucas Catton has evidence that the network’s own legal affairs officer admitted that Narconon’s claimed high rate of success has no scientific basis.

“Narconon routinely lies, misrepresents, and conceals the Narconon program’s connection to the practice of Scientology and to the Church of Scientology. Defendant directs employees at individual Narconon centers to deny any connection to the Church of Scientology even when patients’ family members specifically inquire about this point.”

Amato alleges that Narconon had made representations about insurance coverage which turned out not to be true. He was unhappy that his phone calls home were monitored. He didn’t like that he wasn’t getting any drug counseling, and he felt that the staff “were unfit to treat him.” So he asked to leave.

He’s suing for breach of contract, fraud, and negligence

The second suit is also brought against the Narconon Fresh Start in Warner Springs, by Christy and Branden Chavez, who live in New Mexico.

In June 2012, Christy wanted to find a rehab facility for her son Branden, who was 19 and struggling with a heroin addiction.

She also was referred by a website, and was asked to pay $33,000 up front. She was asked to pay $23,000 of that in cash money.

In most other ways, the Chavez lawsuit is similar to Amato’s.

We can see that Hamilton’s strategy is to file many lawsuits by separate plaintiffs, and he’s also targeting more than one Narconon center. That’s different than the class-action approach, which hit a snag in Georgia.

Here are the complaints in the two new lawsuits…

 

Amato v. Narconon Fresh Start: Complaint

 

Estrada v. Narconon Fresh Start: Complaint

 
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A Friday for the ages

In case you weren’t with us yesterday, we just want to make sure you caught all the action. We had our usual Video Vault post for the morning, but then at the end of the day, we scrambled when we got the big news — Judge Dib Waldrip had denied Scientology’s ‘anti-SLAPP’ motion in Monique Rathbun’s harassment lawsuit against the church and its leader, David Miscavige. The church’s motion had upended the lawsuit over the past few months, but Waldrip finally killed it with a detailed 25-page order. As TX Lawyer pointed out in our comments, the church can appeal that decision, but that won’t keep the lawsuit from proceeding in the meantime.

A reminder: David Miscavige and the Religious Technology Center (RTC) have never accepted service in the lawsuit, filing instead what’s called a “special appearance” in which they argue the court has no jurisdiction over them. Monique’s side argued that in order to settle the question of whether the court does have jurisdiction over Miscavige in this lawsuit, she should get the chance to depose him. Judge Waldrip agreed with her, but Miscavige filed a petition to the Texas Third Court of Appeal. Monique should be filing her response to that petition soon, and on April 9 there will be a hearing for oral arguments. And again, that only pertains to Waldrip’s decision that Miscavige should be deposed.

In the meantime, in the main lawsuit, there’s still a sanctions order that Monique has filed for Waldrip to consider, and at some point we’re going to get back to the issue of converting a temporary restraining order to a temporary injunction. Remember, even though a lot of action has taken place in this lawsuit since it was filed in August, we’re still just in the preliminary phase of this thing. Stick with us as we navigate through the particulars.

Anyway, Friday was also notable because Marty Rathbun dropped another little bombshell at his website, revealing another internal document from Scientology’s spy corps, the Office of Special Affairs. In this case, it’s a fascinating look at the way Scientology gamifies evil — turning the stalking and destroying of perceived enemies into a quest for “points” to up your weekly “stats.”

Speaking of Rathbun, he’d shocked just about everyone with his stunning apology to Russell Miller the day before, after we’d posted our interview of the Bare-Faced Messiah author. (Was this a week, or what?)

And then late yesterday the other shoe dropped. Just minutes after we posted our big news about the anti-SLAPP denial, Joe Childs at the Tampa Bay Times posted his latest epic salvo of truth. When Sheldon and Sara Goldberg were expelled from Scientology last year, it was obvious there was a complex and heartbreaking story involved. And now, Joe Childs has gathered it up into a gut-wrenching story about disconnection, Scientology’s most toxic policy.

This was a story about how Scientology uses disconnection as “leverage” to enforce its Orwellian rules of “ethics,” and Joe has provided one of the best stories ever about that.

Now, what’s this week going to bring?

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 15, 2014 at 07:00

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  • DodoTheLaser

    “Now, what’s this week going to bring?”

    A whole lot of ethics interviews and sec checks, that’s what.

    Just so more people will blow for good and tell their stories.

    Thanks Tony and Everyone!

    • Ardent

      Yes, Dodo, I’ll bet a lot of innocent SeaOrg drones get roundly abused these days. It must be hell in there. If you’re reading, you naughty girl or boy, RUN AWAY – the freeloader debt is not enforceable. You will get a life. A really free life!

      • BumpIt McCarthy

        It’s not only unenforceable, but IMMORAL, lurkers. In case you are hesitant to escape because some part of you agrees with the “freeloader” label, the church actually owes you, not the other way around. Especially if you are Sea Org — indentured servitude is supposedly illegal, yet the “church” shamelessly operates on it.

        And no, just because you’re “clergy” is no excuse for overworking you. I’ve a friend who was a monk, and got enough food and sleep to be able to perform farm labor and his daily offices without falling over. He’s now happily married, btw, and still in good standing with the Catholic church, He didn’t have to rapel over the monastery wall!

        • Observer

          ^^Truth. Your 100-hour weeks of labor at pennies an hour has more than repaid any “debt” Scientology claims you owe (and really, how many services were you allowed to actually take?). In fact, Scientology owes you thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, in back pay and interest.

          • El Con Blubbard

            Bat shit crazy concept – you join staff or Sea Org, sign a one-sided contract with no promises of anything; pay or services. You are forced to never speak out against anything you SEE or experience in Scientology (gee – I wonder why?). You are forced to take courses that train you to work for Scientology for no pay and then if you don’t like the abuse and leave – you have a debt for taking the enforced training?

            Really? Does this make any sense to you lurkers out there.

            Just leave today – walk out the door. It is SAFE out here and very dangerous inside the Church of Scientology!! You are not crazy – yes the Church IS! You are not alone! GET OUT!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          And if you’re staying because the world is going to end any day now and you’re doing a scientology version of survival preps, important note: There is NO conspiracy out here in the real world. The only real conspiracy is inside your walls. It’s a whopping False Report designed to get you to agree to inhumane conditions and working for piss poor nothing. It’s an unforgivable lie to keep you from feeling your true emotions, numbing your innate survival instincts and poisoning your natural bonds of love and compassion.

          The SP’s aren’t outside, they’re all in your head. Turn off Auto Pilot settings, and take back control of your life. You are not evil or stupid or incompetent or unloved. You are just experiencing symptoms of sleep deprivation and intense, constant and perpetual stress and abuse. Take care of yourself and take a break. Help is out here waiting for you with no strings attached, unconditional compassion, long naps and no schedules. You are loved and you are missed.

          • Buttons72

            Don’t route out. Just blow.

        • Betsy

          I’ll bet the monastery wall didn’t have backwards razor wire all over it, either!

          • joan nieman

            or cameras and AK47’s aimed at you!

        • Buttons72

          Well said! This is the difference between an actual faith and a cultish-servitude.

      • El Con Blubbard

        yes – and the GAG order Staff Contract is not enforceable either. I think even Debbie Cook could come out of hiding and speak up again and nothing would happen. We would certainly have her back!!

        Speaking about “Speaking Out” – check out this awesome video for FLAG DOWN 2014 May 5-10th in Clearwater, Florida:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6JtHdp8ny3g

        BE BRAVE! Don’t let Scientology suppress you!

        • Lawrence deRoe

          Great music video

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And a whole lot of billable hours. I hope this means that this week will also bring Davey’s vicious flying sales monkeys to the land of the celebs and the ports of the whales for unprecedented straight up and vertical donate till it hurts donations.

    • Buttons72

      Hope you’re right, Dodo. I fear that the only ones that are left are the multi-generation kool-aid drinkers.

      • DodoTheLaser

        There’s that and also some staff and sea org members who feel they would be lost/unsuccessful in the real world outside the bubble. But there is a support network of exes, people of good will and society itself.

  • EnthralledObserver

    “Now, what’s this week going to bring?”
    I do hope that was less a question and more a hint of more news coming… ;)

    • Ardent

      I agree Obs. But it has been an interesting week. I’m just infuriated by that Tampa article. I’ll say hi and sign off. Also my now-ex is being really irrational these days and wearing me out with her bizarre actions. Ah, forget it. Best to all.
      I’ll see you guys tomorrow, I hope.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Hope you are ok. Drama you need help with, or just need to vent?

    • AnonRedX

      Good night Enthralled,
      the list is at wwp.
      would you like to try and post it here?

    • mirele

      I remember the weeks and months when we waited for the next tiny bit of entheta to trickle out. You young people don’t know how good you have it now! Entheta every day! Now get offa my lawn! :)

      • Robert Eckert

        We had to walk a mile to get to entheta, through snow drifts six feet high, uphill both ways!

      • EnthralledObserver

        lol… I remember waiting days between stories at VV. I guess we have become very spoiled. And I’m only gen x… imagine gen y or z!
        *gets off mirele’s lawn* ;)

  • Sejanus

    I suspect the week will bring more beatings, sub standard living conditions and generally more suffering within the Co$ walls for the SO sucker…uh members.
    So which country will Captain Davey McBlackheart run to?
    Or will he just weigh anchor on the Freewinds and stay in international waters when his time is up?

    • WildaBeast

      If he gets out of Dodge on the Freewinds, I hope they leave in such a hurry that they forget to pack his damned scotch. And the food. The thought of little Davey with the sweats and shakes, no food to be had, stuck out at sea and too scared to head into port for supplies makes me smile. It would be a drop in the bucket compared to all the suffering he’s caused, but it would be a start.

  • 1subgenius

    “Now, what’s this week going to bring?”

    That’s what Miscavige is thinking.

    • Missionary Kid

      May it be worse than the last one!

      • joan nieman

        Worse for them, victorious for us. Yes.

  • Ardent

    Well, after reading the Tampa Bay Times article, I once again feel loathing for the cult rise to an extreme level. And I become incredulous that this outfit of evil is actually allowed to keep operating. What the hell is wrong with the authorities? This ain’t no steenk’in church! This is a CULT, Mr. IRS! And evil, destructive pile of BS spewed from the mind of a complete charlatan/mad man. For heaven’s sake, revoke the tax exemption already?

    • chukicita

      Believe me I share your frustration, but let us recall that the IRS is not the arbiter of religiosity. Here’s a good article on what constitutes a church under U.S. federal law:

      http://www.legalzoom.com/taxes/other-tax-topics/what-constitutes-church-under

      “To clarify the federal government’s definitions of a churches and other religious institution, the Internal Revenue Service uses clearly-defined guidelines. *Over the years, the IRS has revised this
      list in response to various court decisions.* [emphasis mine. I wonder how many of those court decisions involve Scn, Inc?] To define churches and other religious entities, some of the IRS guidelines consider whether or not an institution has:

      a distinct legal existence and religious history,
      a recognized creed and form of worship,
      established places of worship
      a regular congregation and regular religious services, and
      an organization of ordained ministers”

      • EnthralledObserver

        None of those requirement extends for a need for financial assistance in the form of tax exemption. Tax dollars are supposed to go to the public’s benefit… just because someone wants to spend their time worshipping something why should tax payers subsidize it? Answer: they shouldn’t! The assumption that all ‘religions’ perform charitable duties and efforts is just that, an assumption. Tax exemption should then be reserved for organisations, religious or not, who can pass a public charity benefit test. Scam and Con problem solved!

        • Once_Born

          The way I understand it, the CofS was ruled in court to be a business liable to tax. Paying back taxes would have broken the organisation financially. Consequently, it specifically targeted at the IRS, using both legal and extra-legal tactics and forced not only into granting an exemption but also into keeping the conditions secret.

          In effect, they frustrated the law with ruthlessness, backed up by huge sums of money. One of the (theoretically) most powerful US government entities, with the law on its side, lost. They would probably game a public benefit test in the same way.

          This is the only tactic they know and, despite the occasional setback, it works. Worse yet, people are deterred from standing up to them for fear of having the big guns (endless litigation combined with dirty tricks) turned on them.

          It seems to me that what is required to bring the ‘Church’ down is a two-pronged attack. The ongoing court cases are crucial, but they will have no practical effect as long as the CofS has the resources to continue to fight dirty.

          Things will only change when the CofS starts to run out of money. It’s likely that recruitment is at a standstill, and that existing members are leaving, so income is falling. Applying their traditional ‘money no object’ to tactics to an increasing number of legal actions (e.g. Narconon) must be significant drain.

          At this stage, what matters is:

          a) Are they operating at a profit, or a loss?
          b) How large are the reserves?

          When the bully loses its strength, all those (from wronged individuals to the IRS) it has tormented over the years will surely gather, and start to circle. After that, collapse will be swift. The only open question is, how long will this take?

          • EnthralledObserver

            I reckon a few tweaks of the law to force disclosure of their bookkeeping might be beneficial too. If they want to play the religion/charity/tax exempt card so badly, then use that against them. Charities should be answerable to the Governments that are aiding their funding. ‘Rock’, meet ‘hard place’.

            • Once_Born

              Absolutely they should be accountable.

              What I am saying is that, in practice, they operate above the law because they have the financial resources (and the lack of scruples) required to frustrate the legal process at every turn (as demonstrated by the IRS debacle). The law is only as good as its enforcement.

              In the absence of the political will to address their abuses, legal changes will only bite when the CofS starts to run out of money.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Agree… I hear you.

            • joan nieman

              Indeed. There should be a record of charities assisted to warrant tax free exemption.

          • WildaBeast

            I wish we knew how money was taken care of in CoS. If accounting and financial management is done in-house, then there’s always a chance that their CFO (or whatever they call the person who plays that role) could tie up the money in knots – hide it, put it into bonds that can’t be accessed for 25 years, invest it in stocks that are bound to fail, etc. etc. – and then blow. Just don’t steal any of it. You can do a lot to make liquid assets as solid as concrete, and while you may look incompetent, they can’t say it was criminal.
            Of course, little Davey probably has the financial stuff taken care of entirely by external sources. Money is the true god of Scientology, and they’re serious about it. An overworked, underslept, underfed, under-educated Sea Ogre is unlikely to be put in charge of hundreds of millions of dollars.
            Still, I’m fairly sure they MUST be operating at a loss at this point. We’re watching the story of the dude who killed the goose and so lost the golden eggs. It just takes longer IRL than it did in the fairy tale.

            • Once_Born

              The way CofS money has been hidden away in a corporate maze, it’s likely administered by professionals. However, I wonder what would happen if (when?) the organisation comes under serious stress.

              There is a potential for internal fraud. Those professionals have control of a lot of money that has been made hard to find (and may be difficult for the CofS to admit to being in possession of) and no loyalty to the ‘Church’.

              If some of the less ethical professionals noted that their employer’s organisation was circling the drain, they might see it as an opportunity to make some of that money disappear. After all, who is going to catch them – an “overworked, underslept, underfed, under-educated Sea Ogre” (especially when they are running around like headless chickens)?

            • WildaBeast

              It could very easily happen that way, and it would be good and bad at the same time. Good, because I want the {church} to be broker than I am (this takes effort), but bad, because I want the people who the {church} has hurt over the years to be able to sue the dying wreck of it blind and actually be able to collect their judgments.

        • chukicita

          I totally agree. I just wonder how much Scientology litigation has influenced the status quo.

  • Missionary Kid

    To borrow a line that I once heard, I hope that David Mismanage is thinking, “Into every life a little rain must fall, but why do I have to be sitting under a waterfall?”

    • RMycroft

      He just postulates that it’s water pouring down.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        In fact, it is Faeces Falls, on the Swannee River, right next to Shit Creek.
        Paddles seem to be in short supply.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Shit Creek is very deep too, I hear.

        • Missionary Kid

          I laughed at your comment. They’re all good, but yours piled on with an appropriate addition.

        • RMycroft

          As does luck.

    • Drat

      More like he’s sitting under the sewage outlet.

      • WildaBeast

        The Angry Homunculus is so foul that he could be sitting under a pure-glacier-melt waterfall, and once it hit him, it would continue on its merry way – transformed into the sewage above-mentioned.

        • Drat

          It’s a kinda magic… ;)

        • Missionary Kid

          Angry Homunculus is another DM nickname. It’ll be on the posted list Monday.

  • aquaclara

    TWO MORE LAWSUITS! Davey, you have met the enemy, and it is you. Just read Angelo Amato’s case, the first one here, and I am sorry to hear how he was treated. Ryan Hamilton, you have an excellent grasp of the scam that is Scientology-not an easy task. I wish you and your clients well. Now jumping back in for more reading. First, finish the outstanding ruling from the very Honorable Dib Waldrup. Then onto case number two.

    What a week, indeed. I wonder if the newspaper box tech plans have been firmed up for tomorrow in Tampa, Clearwater and St. Pete, or if The Malevolent One is too busy trying to tell his lawyers what to do next. He has to do everything himself, you know.

    2 more suits. This is good. Thank heavens these patients are alive to sue. And to keep the pressure on the cult to stop this. Wow.

    • Missionary Kid

      Walt Kelly, the creator of Pogo would be proud of your second line.

    • media_lush

      I wonder if TB Times deliberately prints more copies for the Clearwater area knowing the clams always go out and buy up all the copies when a major anti scientology story comes out.

      • RMycroft

        If they think that no one is watching when they raid news boxes, they probably only pay for one copy to get the door open and grab the rest. That would be a nice photo op.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’s been reported before that’s exactly what they do. Perhaps they believe that only SP’s use the internet and pat themselves on the back for their success in keeping the public from the news, I mean entheta.

          • WildaBeast

            It’s really funny, though also kind of sad, to think of all these clams running around Clearwater during the small hours, buying up (stealing) the contents of newspaper boxes and running away again, filled with the warm satisfaction of removing the entheta from the world…and not thinking that print is (sadly) a dying medium, that Elron died too early to have anticipated the World Wide Web (Happy 25th!), and that many if not most of us now get most of our news online – where the clams can’t touch it. So sorry, folks, but your tech? It’s 30 years out of date in an era where half a decade is long enough to consign a piece of technology to the oblivion of the scrap-heap.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Tory doesn’t exaggerate with the Truman show analogy. For those of us wirelessly connected 24/7, it’s hard to imagine being cut off from the real world and nothing but propaganda being piped in. I think 1984 is more appropriate in scientology land today.

          • joan nieman

            I am sure they do.

          • RMycroft

            Well then, footage of them high-fiving, back-slapping and happy-dancing would make nice viral videos.

    • Betsy

      And thank heavens an attorney like Ryan H. can dedicate himself to the suits without suffering the fate of Michael Flynn.

  • Maradona is OT X

    Can i do narconon to get rid of scientology, the worst addiction ever?

  • RMycroft

    Just like how the Narconon promise of a private room turned into four men in bunks, their recent promises of Christian or New Age-y programs probably turns into “Hey you, swallow these and get in the sauna!”

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I went over to “moving on up a little higher”. It is about as solid an apology as a person could write. Thank you Marty.

    You caused a lot of grief, only a small part of which I have even been aware of.

    Beyond that, as L.Ron used to say, “We are winning on all fronts”. Thanks to those, including Marty, who are putting their bodies and their money on the line to end the destruction caused by this greedy cult.

  • media_lush

    I would love to see the NYFD put forward a similar suit for all the bullshit Narconon/sauna technique help Cruise was championing after 9/11…. there was another big Fire Department Chief in a puff PR piece with Travolta in Las Vegas I remember seeing awhile back also about drug rehab.

    Re the Tampa story I thought I’d share Jeb’s comment over there… it made me smile

    • EnthralledObserver

      Where the heck is Jeb… I wanna hear the end of that story/stories…

      • media_lush

        Exactly; Jeb, if you’re reading please finish this story

        • EnthralledObserver

          Especially as I can’t ‘go and see’ for myself…

        • sugarplumfairy

          Jeb left a great comment over at the Childs’ article.. Made me proud..

          • media_lush

            I screengrabbed it above

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            He’s been holding out on us.

        • RMycroft

          I want to see video of CoS security attempting to bring order outside of Scientology property. Also, in many states, security guards have to be licensed.

    • RMycroft

      Was this the Las Vegas puff, for the Utah Meth Cops Project?

      Shurtleff attends Heroes Health fundraiser in Las Vegas headlined by Travolta June 10, 2011, Nate Carlisle, Salt Lake Tribune

      Mark Shurtleff should have been tossed out on his bum for transferring state funds to that dangerous quackery without funding approval. He must have dirt on a lot of people.

      • media_lush

        Could well have been, the piece I saw was from pic heavy site that paid more attention to the shots of Travolta shaking hands with firemen in their dress uniform… Kelly was there, too

      • BigMcLargeHuge

        Shurtleff is not in office any more. His protege took over and then resigned due to an investigation of corruption. They are both still under investigation and are likely to be criminally indicted.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’s almost like anyone supporting scientology and its front groups has their own hidden agenda. Something about birds of a feather.

          http://i.imgur.com/Jbj9vEk.jpg?2

        • RMycroft

          I must say that I am shocked! Maybe he can get a job in private industry pushing the Purif under another label? (Like that defrocked judge in New Mexico who was pushing it as Second Chance.)

    • Elar Aitch

      I would like to see the article put down side-by-side with Tommy Davis’ (and all other official and celebrity) statements denying disconnection happens.

      More OT8 SPs….I guess this won’t happen anymore with GATII ;)

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Misread that – thought you were calling for Tommy Davis to be put down.
        Good idea.
        Davey’s rabid pit-bull ? In Texas? Hell, yes.

        • Elar Aitch

          Hmmm – not such a bad idea? Not really, he’s a pitiful little man whose only useful purpose is for people like me to learn to exercise compassion for nitwits.

          • Observer

            He seems to enjoy being punished too. The perfect Scientologist!

            • Elar Aitch

              ….imagines Tommy in Frankenfurter outfit…or is it Diminutive Miss in Frankenfurter outfit…?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hey Tommy Davis … you missed one:

              http://i.imgur.com/oe7yKrn.jpg?1

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Love it – Tommy Davis: Created so we could learn compassion

            • Betsy

              SKREEM! CHOKE! SELF-HEIMLICH!

      • TDA1541A

        SP’s are at least OT 9, to become an SP is graduating Scientology for sure

    • Axiom O’Brien

      We need to make sure all other news outlets get a hold of this story and publish it as well, worldwide.

      Called broad dissemination.

  • AnonRedX

    Thank you attorney Ray Jeffrey and his team, thank you Monique & Marty.
    All our best wishes are with you all.
    Judge Dib Waldrip, you are restoring our hope and trust in the justice system.

    Join the RED Xers and do your little bit by getting under the $cilon’s skin.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434381

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Man, oh Man…………I just got through yesterdays later post and read the Child’s piece.
    Holy Crap!

    THIS IS AWESOME!

    Suck it, …tiny fists!

    • Missionary Kid

      I imagined Kathy Griffin uttering, “Suck it, …tiny fists!”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Suckin’ on the scotch while he’s floating down shit creek. It’s a flood of entheta and this week is just the first wave. Tommy Davis, last week bug squasher, this week Davey’s ice boy.

      http://i.imgur.com/LgICgIR.jpg

      • joan nieman

        Perfect image for your statement!

  • baddog5623

    The point system explains a lot. I remeber things getting more deprate at the DC Org, the longer Sparrow picketed. They just kept getting more aggressive. It looks like there was an ever mounting pressure to make him go away. It must have been hell on the staff. Looks like some lawyers mentioned above are batting a 1000 points this morning.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The GO/OSA point system has been around from the beginning. I’ve posted here before about points per # of inches of entheta press and incremental increases from local to international. This updated issue has juicy reveals, like the internet system. Also, points if any action results in propaganda promotion of religious recognition, which is why you always see a blurb of that kind of propaganda tagged on to the end of any cherch response.

  • Techie

    These two suits are very important in the battle for truth. They are not about any unexpected bad result, they are about the actual fraud and deceit that is central to all Narconons everywhere. Put this together with the Current Affairs video yesterday morning. If these suits go through, it is not just a matter of the wheels falling off. It is more like a head-on into a tree. These plaintiffs experienced the normal, expected Narconon experience and found it to be not only a front for Scientology recruitment but also a case of false advertizing. Since there is no conceivable way that a good result is possible, given the nature of the treatment, at a cost of $30,000+, these suits cut right to the heart of the fraud and expose it. Almost any Narconon victim could press such a suit. As a believer, when I was still in, I welcomed the Tom Cruise project delivering Purification to the ground zero first responders. We were told that there were going to be actual scientific studies, verification and validation. I was not sure about the effectiveness of the Purif, having done it in truly awful conditions when it was first released (in the basement tunnels of Big Blue). We always went to at least 5,000 mg niacin per day. The main result I got out of it was a bad case of foot fungus from the constant wetness (which I did not report to the supervisors). I thought that maybe what I experienced was just first adopter trials and tribulations. Hope that the Purification Rundown could be validated died when we were not told of any results other than anecdotal accounts. There were lots of event videos featuring the blue stains on a towel that a fireman was sitting on in the sauna, the implication being that these were ground zero toxins coming out of his body. The real problem with these first responders were mostly lung issues. No amount of sauna and vitamins is going to get asbestos out of your lungs, even if the treatment actually worked as advertized. If there was a shred of actual evidence for the effectiveness of the Purification Rundown it would be promoted out of all proportion in Scientology literature and events. Since all we get is the old bromide about 78% effectiveness with no evidence, it is apparent that there is no outside validation for this dangerous and ineffective procedure even after 34+ years of application.These suits are a true effective blow against one of Lil Davey’s cash cows and could bring down the whole show. What if there were an actual precedent that showed Narconon to be a fraud, and tied it to Scientology?

    • media_lush

      Dear (puff piece) media journo’s who want to spice up their Narconon stories now would be a great time to bring in the Cruise angle …. watching that video where he says “we (scientology) are THE authority on drug rehabilitation” makes me gag

      • Betsy

        Gagging ditto. That and his assertion about knowing the history of psychiatry. Oh, and the insane laughter. And the part about being the only one who can help at an accident.

        Well, now that I think about it, the whole thing makes me gag from beginning to end.

        • joan nieman

          What a lot of information today! My Grandson is bugging me for breakfast and I am trying to read. He is here for two days so it should be fun! Go Mosey!!

          • Betsy

            If your grandson is young enough to think this would be fun, why don’t you train him to run around saying “Go Mosey!” and “Mosey Rules!” That will be fun for his parents when he goes home!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I want the counsels in the small towns in Australia where land is being purchased to read those these cases, and the stories of others who have DIED at NarCONon facilities.

      I want these Counsels to object to NarCONon and deny them the right to build in their areas.

    • Missionary Kid

      Look up the Wikipedia piece on niacin. Evidence of toxicity can start at 1000mg (1 gram). Anyone who told you it was harmless was flat out spreading misinformation.

      I believe that with Marty & Mike’s help, NarCONon can be tied to Co$. It will take a smart, well prepared attorney to do it.

      • Betsy

        Has there been any medical weigh-in about the blue sweat? It reminded me of porphyry…what George III supposedly had. His urine was blue. But blue sweat…doesn’t sound good to me.

        • Missionary Kid

          When anything strange like that happens, it’s your body trying to tell you something isn’t good.

          • Betsy

            Yes…that idiocy about leaking toxins was typical of Scientology’s efforts to make its results all good. “He voluntarily dropped his body because it had become unnecessary. He wanted to work in a different dimension.” Yeah, if that body had been mine I’d have dropped it too.

            • Missionary Kid

              That body was a real sack of shit and drugs.

        • joan nieman

          It sounds like a form of dye from a chemical reaction?

          • Betsy

            It must be something like that. In any case, (for George III) it wasn’t GOOD. And I doubt if it was good for the firemen. As M. Kid pointed out, niacin is TOXIC at lower levels than they were taking. I wonder where Elron got THAT hairbrained idea? Oh…scratch that question. The same place he got his other 8 billion hairbrained ideas.

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Because IANAL and second language issues, would someone be so kind to correct me if I’m mistaken.

    In the first paragraph of Judge Waldrip’s Conclusions of Law which ends with “Any conclusions of law below that may be deemed to constitute findings of fact shall be so considered and any conclusion of law that also constitutes a finding of fact is adopted as a finding of fact.”

    Is this another way for Waldrip to tell the scilon lawyer army that they can’t change and otherwise argue their narrative? (ie conveniently omit/alter facts in future motions and pleadings that are discussed here)

    • Observer

      Legalese isn’t exactly English either, haha.

      • Mooser

        Don’t be silly, everybody knows there’s no sanity clause!

    • Robert Eckert

      Appeals courts are not to disturb “findings of fact” made at the trial-court level. They may only decide that the trial court has made an error about “conclusions of law”.

      • Elar Aitch

        Thank you Robert – that sentence sounded a bit Marx brothers ‘party of the first party…’

        • Robert Eckert

          As in the rental agreement between Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton: “If the party of the second part– that’s you– shall throw a party, to which the party of the first part– that’s me– is not a party, and the police are called about the party of the party of the second part, then the party of the first part shall become a party to the party of the party of the second part.”

  • aquaclara

    Just want to add a tidbit to all this deliciousness. As I was reading the ruling from the Most Excellence Judge Waldrip, the banner ad that appeared was PAID FOR by our wee friends at the church of Scamatology. Gotta love that irony of ad placement. Davey, this is costing you much more than you could ever know.

    And while treading the newest Narconon suits, the banner ad was for a real underground bunker. I know somebody who could use that right about now.

    • EnthralledObserver

      That is irony at its sweetest, for sure.

    • Missionary Kid

      Snickersnort.

  • sugarplumfairy

    The clock in the crocodile’s belly is getting louder and louder, cap’n dave.. Like Tory says, Tick Tock..

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Oh….LOL……..
      cap’n dave…..

      I just pictured the tiny twat on a cereal box!!!!!
      HAHAHA………..Thanks for that.

      • sugarplumfairy

        I picture this huge, slow moving croc wandering co$ properties, searching for tiny fists, getting closer and closer, every time Tory writes “Tick Tock..”

      • Missionary Kid

        Tiny Twat went on my list of Davy Mismanagement nicknames, but I’m keeping the at 666 for a while.

    • Miss Tia

      I’m thinking along the lines more of Poe with the beating of the heart under the floor……i think i can probably haiku something from that…..

      • Observer

        ..

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s so well done — and so sad.

        • Elar Aitch

          Another Obs classic!

        • Miss Tia

          yes! i was thinking of this one! so well done, as is all your work, and so sadly true!

        • NOLAGirl

          I love this Obs. :)

    • Observer

      ..

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol.. I love it.. Tiny Hook..

        • Observer

          This is, I think, the second or third one I ever did.

          • sugarplumfairy

            This is probably why I get that image every time I hear Tick Tock..

            • Elar Aitch

              Never smile at an MAA
              No you can’t get friendly with an MAA
              Don’t be taken in by their welcome grin
              They’re imagining how they will get your ethics in

          • WildaBeast

            If this is what your produced on your second or third attempt, then it’s pretty clear you had a gift from the moment you started. I’d never seen this one before. I had a most excellent chuckle.

        • Missionary Kid

          Tiny Hook just went on the list of DM nicknames. I’ll publish the list again on Monday, but for now, I’m letting Bernie Hadley get the credit for #666.

        • joan nieman

          Awesome!

      • EnthralledObserver

        I don’t even think we need the crocodile… I envision $cientology eating itself, in particular, a REG regging Davey Makemerich for his illegally gained inurement that feeds straight back to him, which each cycle gets smaller and smaller. It’s all a matter of time… looks at the clock. Tick, tock, tick, tock…

      • TDA1541A

        Bunkerites versus Scientologists: “keeping the kids safe”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRH7HyipqtA

  • Elar Aitch

    ….SNIP…….a fascinating look at the way Scientology gamifies evil — turning the
    stalking and destroying of perceived enemies into a quest for “points”
    to up your weekly “stats.”…..END SNIP…..

    Indeed – just the thing for paranoid, conspiracy theorist perpetual adolescents. Turn their whole reality into some kind of role playing game: the atrocities people can commit against others when they deny the humanity of the ‘other’ turning them into a faceless, homogenous enemy.

    And on a pedantic note, I wonder whether the formatting in the pdf Marty loaded is true to the original. It is all over the place. Looks like someone needs to do the hat on basic word processing.

    • Just Dee

      Great tweets as always, Tia. I am going to have to read posts later on this evening (and get caught up with yesterday afternoons great article by Tony.) But one of your tweets got me curious….. Does the IRS actually have the authority to audit a “cherch”? I don’t know the answer to that question and I am really curious.
      Have a good day all – I’ll be spending tonight and tomorrow, catching up! I am a Bunker addict, especially when it comes to court cases as well as NarCONon

  • ShevilKat

    Huh. L. Ron’s birthday week and the SP’s get the presents. Beware the Ides of March, Davey.

    • Miss Tia

      hah, i just did an ides of march haiku! :)

      • joan nieman

        And it’s a winner!

        • Miss Tia

          thanks! :)

    • Missionary Kid

      It was caek on pi day. I enjoyed it thoroughly.

      • ze moo

        I am now going to call March 14 ‘pi in the face day’.

        • Missionary Kid

          For Davy.

  • Observer

    Ryan Hamilton’s website may be goofy, but he appears to be one smart, fearless attorney.

    • D.Y.G.

      The way I see it, he’s creating a brand for himself that will set him apart from 10,000 other lawyers in Nevada. People will remember those goofy commercials and billboards.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        If he creams Narconon in a flurry of successful lawsuits, people will remember something else.
        Here’s hoping.

        • Miss Tia

          he’s doing to narconon what $cienos did the IRS! :)

          • Eclipse-girl

            Except Mr Hamilton’s suits are NOT frivolous.

            • Miss Tia

              of course not! i was referring to inundating them with suits though!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know and you know that your comment was excellent.

              That tactic by scientology still angers me deeply.

            • Miss Tia

              All their tactics anger me…abuse of the court system, abuse of people, abuse of the government….just an evil odious fruity little club…..but their chickens have come home to roost, as the saying goes!

            • WildaBeast

              *mental image of Big Blue, so covered in chickens that the awful paint job is completely invisible*

            • Miss Tia

              Big shit! :)

  • Miss Tia

    Beware Ides of March
    Back stabbers are all around
    Paranoid niblet
    @scientology #haiku #IdesOfMarch #paranoid #TechFail

    [In page 14 of the decision yesterday the Judge gets into how $cientology is like a business ...]
    Their words will hang them
    Claimed Marty took their “business”
    Wait, they’re not a ‘church’?!
    @scientology #haiku #NotAChurch #business

    A business not church
    Should not have tax exemption
    Audit their books NOW!
    @scientology @IRSnews #haiku #IRS #GrowAPair #TaxThem

    [in reference to the Tampa Bay Times story]
    $ci Church Sophie’s Choice
    Why is a church doing that?
    Abhorrently wrong
    @scientology @TB_Times @kirstiealley #haiku #DisconnectionExists

    $ci church full of hate
    Only shows interest in cash
    No interest in souls
    @scientology #haiku #NOTAChurch #CashOnly #Soulless

    No cease and desist
    Church just sent the ‘Squirrel Busters’
    Harassment their goal
    @scientology #haiku #TeamMosey #Doofus #ShowsTheirMotive

    [based on the doc Marty posted yesterday, several haiku on that...i link to the doc in the tweet in case it gets retweeted :) ]

    Invest Statistics
    Policy of the $ci Church
    Against Enemies
    @scientology #haiku #ReadItHere http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/invest-statistics.pdf

    Target Enemies
    If you can’t get them fired
    Destroy their family
    @scientology #haiku #ReadItHere http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/invest-statistics.pdf

    Obliterate them
    Make their life a living hell
    For freedom of speech
    @scientology #haiku #ReadItHere http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/invest-statistics.pdf

    $ci church gives out points
    For those handling ‘attackers’
    To them it’s a game
    @scientology #haiku #SickFucks #ReadIt http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/invest-statistics.pdf

    [From Panopea Abrupta]
    Unshakeable faith
    In the $cientology
    Unspeakable fake
    @scientology #haiku #fake #fraud #cult #brainwashing

    The planet needs cleared
    From the scourge that is $ci church
    People’s lives at stake
    @scientology #haiku #ClearPlanet

    [tweet by Eclipse-girl who was inspired by Natalia 2.0]
    It was all nonsense
    To them it made perfect sense
    $cientology
    @scientology #haiku #nonsense #gibberish #RamblingsOfAMadman

    [I believe it was THDNE who came up with 'trophy buyer's club'...]
    People holding up plaques
    Just paying for statuses
    Trophy buyer’s club
    @scientology #haiku #NotAChurch

    Abortion attempts
    Tried to kill his own children,
    Proclaimed ‘family man’
    @scientology @LRonHubbard #haiku #POS #Scum #fraud

    Small children locked up
    Kept in anchor box on ship
    What a twisted fuck
    @scientology @LRonHubbard #haiku #POS #Scum #fraud #ChildAbuse

    [by Sidney18511]
    L. Ron the madman
    Sold people past lives for cash
    And stole their futures
    @scientology @LRonHubbard #haiku #POS #fraud #Scam #Scum

    • joan nieman

      OMG Tia! The Haiku is flowing. I love the Ides of March. How appropriate!

      • Miss Tia

        had to include the ides of march! :)

    • Amovolare

      Kia at first I found yuur small pieces a little pedant But I found some of the above really beautiful . Grazie!

      • Miss Tia

        Thank you Amovolare!

  • aquaclara

    So I wonder how it feels to be a former member of the Texas Supreme Court after selling out completely as a shill to the scam cult, now reading the update to your case over breakfast this fine Saturday morning, seeing that your own words have been incorporated against you in a soundly worded, tight ruling from a deeply honorable judge. The one you tried to intimidate in his own court rom. And sued in that writ of mandamus.

    Now, hmmm, that’s 20 or so other lawyers on your own team reading that this morning, too. And all your former legal beagle friends in Texas, including all of Team Monique. And Davey, who can be none too happy this morning.

    Whom did I miss? Oh, yes. All of us.

    Yes, “ouch” describes this quite nicely.

    • EnthralledObserver

      That’s my second favourite part of Friday… the favourite, of course, is the CO$ must be a business.

      • aquaclara

        That’s great, too. And I like the part that says that Davey has to pay attorneys fees and other costs.

        • Miss Tia

          Make that check out to a RATHBUN niblet!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

          • WildaBeast

            I wonder how many pens he’ll snap in his tiny fist before he can finally get himself under control enough to sign the cheque…
            Okay I have to confess I slept in and am not yet awake enough to translate legalese. Does Davey have to cough up for the money Mosey had to spend on Jeffrey’s hours to deal with the anti-SLAPP motion? Like, now-ish? Or is this more of a, “If Mosey wins, Co$ is on the hook for all the billable hours on the other side” thing?

            • Miss Tia

              it’s for the anti-slapp motion……fees and costs for the defending the anti-slapp motion and you know that won’t be cheap! :)

            • WildaBeast

              Oh, how extremely excellent. Fuck yeah and hallejujah!

            • Miss Tia

              should bill ‘em for caek too!

            • pronoia

              CSI does. Since they brought the anti-SLAPP mottion.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Another ouch moment is Waldrip mentioning that Cedillo’s motion wasted the court’s time.

      Lawyers have no pride to bruise, but still humiliating, I think.

      • Eclipse-girl

        remember when Cedillo was arguing this motion, he mentioned how he was involved in crafting the law?

        Double ouch.

      • aquaclara

        Oh yes! Loved this! And written in permanent ink.

    • TX Lawyer

      Former judges are quite used to hearing variants of “As my esteemed once wrote for the majority in the case of Smith v. Jones . . .” It’s no big deal. If anything, it just draws attention to the ex-judge’s expertise and authority. Wallace Jefferson was brought into the case to head up the appellate efforts, so you can probably assume that he was expecting the judge to rule against CSI on this motion.

      • Mooser

        I still have trouble believing that Wallace knew what he was getting into. Sure, that’s go to be it.
        Or, on the other hand, perhaps he’s ambitious to “lift the light beside the golden door”. He is, after all, a proud Bush Republican.

        • TX Lawyer

          He’s old-school conservative, not a Tea Party nutter. And what he got himself into was an interesting lawsuit representing a litigious defendant with deep pockets. As I’ve mentioned before, the vast majority of people see Scientology as some dumb space cult that Tom Cruise believes in. They don’t know about all the internal abuses, and could basically give a rat’s ass about David Miscavige’s personal proclivities. This lawsuit only scratches the surface of that stuff.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            However, sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

            • TX Lawyer

              This lawsuit will not harm his reputation or his career in the slightest. Representing unpopular clients is part of the job. And by the way, he’s not even counsel of record for CSI, the defendant who filed (and will inevitably appeal) the anti-SLAPP ruling.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              I’ll take your word that it will not harm his reputation in legal circles, but I’m not convinced as much as far as the public is concerned.

              The public is more and more aware of scientology’s abusive practices from all angles. What 10 years ago might have fallen through the cracks of indifference isn’t a given anymore. Lawyers enabling scientology’s pugnacious pursuits might realize they have shitstains on their lapels that will never go away.

            • TX Lawyer

              The general public is not paying anyone $1000/hr (just a guess!) to do their legal work. The small number of businesses and individuals who can afford and are willing to pay such rates are interested in obtaining the finest possible legal representation for themselves. They do not give a shit about Scientology or anyone else their attorney has represented in the past, just the skills, knowledge, and ability to get results.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              I assure you, TX that I fully understand that perspective.

              What I’m saying is that from a non-lawyer perspective, we also understand that lawyers, especially in civil cases, can and do refuse clients if not on ethical grounds do so because the client is demonstrably unforthright and uncooperative with its own attorneys. “I’m the best there is” and “this client has deep pockets” is not an absolving excuse as far as public opinion is concerned.

            • TX Lawyer

              And once again, that’s a reason that I’m happy Wallace Jefferson is on the case. He’s well aware of the line between zealous advocacy and abuse of the system, and I have no doubt that he will do whatever he can to make sure that Miscavige is kept on the correct side of that line.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Fair enough :)

              I am concerned however with something you posted a few days ago expressing concerns (to my understanding) with the Appeals Court’s slightly hasty response and willingness to engage to Wallace’s Writ.

              Thanks for your insight.

            • TX Lawyer

              I’m not as familiar with the Austin COA as some of the other appellate courts around the state, so keep that caveat in mind. It could just be the recognition that this is a significant case and the issue needs to be resolved promptly.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              *crossing fingers*

              You know, I wouldn’t mind a solid legal challenge. It’d be more wore work for Monster Jeff but it’d be the sort of thing that gets cited in the increasing mountain of lawsuits against cos.

              I just don’t want a legal whitewash because cos bought the best influence money could buy. Let’s be Frank, TX, this is what we legitimately fear.

              XX Hotlips

            • Jgg2012

              Yes, when he loses, he will tell Davey “we lost–you have to testify”.

            • Mike Leopold

              That is good to know. If the Mafia, and Al Qaeda terrorists are entitled to legal defense, then so is the criminal cult of Scientology.
              I just hope that the cult is BURIED under multiple lawsuits.

            • pronoia

              So what will happen do you suppose when DM refuses to follow his advice? What does a lawyer do when his client refuses to obey a court order?

            • TX Lawyer

              If you can’t fix the problem (e.g., by settling the case so the issue goes away), you withdraw from the representation.

            • Missionary Kid

              By the time he does that, he’ll at least paid for a year of one of his kid’s college education at a very expensive private college.

            • Robert Eckert

              The correct side of the line is in the rear-view mirror and receding fast, as far as I am concerned.

            • Mooser

              ” He’s well aware of the line between zealous advocacy and abuse of the system,”

              Oh hell yes! He ought to know if anyone does. After all a guy who is both the first….Nah, I don’t want to develop this any further. You know what thery say: “Beware the ideas of March!” Heck, look what they do to hares!

            • TX Lawyer

              You seem to be suggesting that his ethnicity has something to do with something or other?

            • Juicer77

              Yes, but it’s ultimately the client’s final choice on how to proceed – correct? And the Midget probably doesn’t listen to anything except the voices in his head. Jefferson can provide all this good advice and be brushed aside, while collecting his handsome paycheck. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks for all your great commentary!

            • TX Lawyer

              Clients cannot direct their lawyers to act in a manner contrary to the lawyers’ ethical obligations. If Miscavige tells his lawyers to lie to the court, the lawyers’ duty of candor to the court is supposed to prevent them from doing so. If the client insists that the lawyer violate such duties, the lawyer would have to withdraw from the representation. Miscavige certainly knows that, so I would expect that he would be far more likely to withhold information from his lawyers, or flat-out lie to them about what the facts actually are, than to tell them to lie about things they know to be untrue.

            • WildaBeast

              True ’nuff. When you’re really up against it, you couldn’t give a flying fuck if your lawyer is the most personally repulsive entity you’ve ever dealt with, as long as he/she fixes the problem. God knows I’ve been there – and that was for pretty minor charges, with no previous criminal record.

            • Mooser

              So you anticipate Wallace Jefferson “fixing” this for Scientology, and enhancing his reputation thereby? Well, you’re the lawyer, I’m certainly not.

            • TX Lawyer

              No.

            • TDA1541A
            • WildaBeast

              *sigh* We all wish the law was a bastion of ethics and upright honesty, but it’s not. But that wish explains some of the hostility toward Jefferson, I think. He was kind of the ultimate arbiter of law in Texas and almost the first thing he does after resigning his seat is to take a job for some of the most unethical people on the planet. I can see where the anger comes from, though I can also see that what you do personally isn’t the same as what you do professionally (especially in law), that a judge has different standards than a lawyer, etc. etc. etc.

              Still, my hope is that some day Wallace Jefferson – all the Co$ lawyers, really – do a bit of research and realize exactly what it was they helped perpetuate.

              (Edited for repetitive phrasing.)

            • Mooser

              “Still, my hope is that some day Wallace Jefferson – all the Co$ lawyers,
              really – do a bit of research and realize exactly what it was they
              helped perpetuate.”

              I somehow don’t think that is Wallace Jefferson’s strong point. Oh, I’m not saying he doesn’t have lots of other important skills, but i don’t think that’s one of them.

            • El Con Blubbard

              Karma does have a way of sorting out justice when it comes to the law. Even if they get away with murder – like OJ Simpson – look at him now! In jail and suicidal. His attorney’s that used the “race” card had some strange things happen to them too. Kardashian died of cancer after his wife left him and Johnny Cochran is dead too! Interesting! I think these attorney’s that represent the cult of Scientology are criminals themselves – they love money and power and use the law to have it! SCUMBAGS!

            • Mooser

              “This lawsuit will not harm his reputation or his career in the slightest.”

              Yes it will, and Miscavige (and his cohort) will make sure of it. They have to find his “ruin” so they can hold it over his head. Damaging his reputation so Wallace will be stuck with them is the way they roll.

              Oh so Wallace is an “old time conservative”? As I remember, they supported segregation, didn’t they?

            • TX Lawyer

              So you’re accusing him of racism?

              Also, methinks you overestimate the power of Miscavige. Outside the context of Scientology, the guy can’t get a table at Denny’s.

            • Dancing Cranberry

              “Outside the context of Scientology, the guy (DM) can’t get a table at Denny’s.”

              that’s a good line!

            • Buttons72

              I’m late to the dance here, but ^^^ is the most heartening commentary on the person of COB that I’ve run into.

              I can’t get a table at Denny’s either, but I don’t try to be COB/Hitler.

        • TXCowgirl

          As is Dib Waldrip, who also endorses the whole GOP crew (per his twitter page). Just the same, Waldrip is proving his judicial worth.

          https://twitter.com/DibWaldrip

          • TX Lawyer

            Partisan affiliation doesn’t really tell you much about a judge’s temperament or outlook in a one-party system. If you want to be a judge in Dallas or Austin, you need a (D) after your name. If you want to be a judge in Fort Worth or New Braunfels, you need a (R).

            • TXCowgirl

              Partisan affiliation doesn’t really tell you much about a judge’s temperament or outlook in a one-party system.

              That is the point I was, ineffectually, trying to make above.

            • TX Lawyer

              Yep, got it.

            • TXCowgirl

              How about if you want to be a judge in Houston?

            • TX Lawyer

              Harris County has gone back and forth in recent years. The bench there is (last time I looked) fairly evenly split between D and R judges.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            I wish that wasn’t allowed, much less encouraged.

            When you go in a courtroom, you want your case to be heard on a “clean slate” basis and not with “this judge was elected and has already expressed views and political interests against your argument”

      • Jgg2012

        I really think they told Miscavige “you should have consulted us before you sent the squirrel busters in” and “we’ll try, but it’s a long shot.” Yes, murderers get due process, so the church does have a right to representation.

    • Jgg2012

      Yes, 3 or 4 lawyers working together beat a team of 20-plus lawyers who keep contradicting each other.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology:
    Miscavige follows Hubbard
    Bad seed, bitter fruit

    • Miss Tia

      Perfect! :)

    • Missionary Kid

      With the evil of disconnection, that brought to mind the Billie Holliday song, Strange Fruit. Both lynching and disconnection are evil. Lynching is one of few things that is more cruel.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Nailed it, Mish.
        That was a sense of what I was trying to get in my last line – that longing/understated keening/ineffable sadness in Lady Day’s voice.
        We are a strange species.

        • Missionary Kid

          Hopefully, Co$ will go the way of lynchings.

          • Once_Born

            The first time I heard “Strange Fruit” I had no idea what it was about, but there was something about the depth of emotion that went into its delivery that made me do a little research, and find out.

            Years later, I read a book by Prof. Philip Zimbardo entitled “The Lucifer Effect” (the associated website is here: http://www.lucifereffect.com/ ). This is a work of social psychology that develops Zimbardo’s classic ‘Stanford Prison experiment’ to explain the situational factors that lead to good people doing evil things.

            I thought at the time that Zimbardo’s theories could be productively applied to the closed, oppressive world of Scientology – and explained why good people trapped in that bubble found themselves doing cruel things that were totally out of character.

            One of the planks of Zimbardo’s argument is that, in order for an organisation to persuade good people to hate and abuse others, the perceived enemy must first be de-humanised (e.g. designated as an ‘SP’). Once this is achieved, Human empathy and civilised restraint can be bypassed… and terrible things can happen.

            Now we come full circle. In the section of Zimbado’s website that deals with de-humanisation is a link to a website called “Without Sanctuary: Photographs and Postcards of Lynchings in America”. Visit with care. There are disturbing images there. Strange fruit indeed. http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html

            Scientology’s present behaviour is bad enough. However, I think it worth saying that, without opposition, it could easily develop into something capable of even greater cruelty. Opposing the CofS is worthwhile not only to prevent abuses like ‘disconnection’, but also to prevent the ‘Church’ fulfilling its potential to become something even worse.

            • Missionary Kid

              My thoughts, too.With their penchant for bait and switch, thank goodness they would be even more hellish if they got anywhere close to power.

            • WildaBeast

              You make a very good point. I hadn’t thought of it that way but you’re dead right.

            • chukicita

              Check out Rene Marie’s version of the song here: http://www.npr.org/2009/06/22/105699329/evolution-of-a-song-strange-fruit

      • Betsy

        That song…impossible to her sing it without crying. What a masterpiece.

        • chukicita

          Try Rene Marie’s version. That she juxtaposes with “Dixie.” *shivers*

        • Missionary Kid

          Billie took the poem and made it her own. Soul, just soul.

  • Skwerl King

    Even though, It is an open and shut case of fraud… expect Scienarcanon to fight like hell.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    For the Pimp Imp

    Musical chairs game,
    Bohemian Rhapsody:
    Dib has one for you.

    • Miss Tia

      AWESOME!!! :) jotting that down and you know i’ll give you credit!

      What about ‘niblet’s turn to play’ for the last line?

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Yes – tho’ I’m not sure he’s a willing participant.

        • Miss Tia

          nor were the original players!

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Ain’t that the truth.
            He, on the other hand, has definitely pulled it in.

            • Miss Tia

              oh yeah he has!!

  • PickAnotherID

    Now if only the IRS would start paying some attention Judge Waldrip’s comment about $cientology being a business.

  • Mark

    I think the title of Mike Rinder’s second post yesterday sums up Shortarse’s present situation perfectly.

    (N.B. For those of delicate sensibilities, I should hasten to add that all the – ahem – objects in the present shoop are artificial ‘Naughty Fido Doggy Gets the Blame’-type objects, with the exception of the small turd in the bottom left-hand corner. Refresh):

    • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

      A turdnado!

      • Mark

        A turdphoon?

  • California

    I am pleased that Ryan Hamilton is addressing California Narconon cases. The California professional anti-substance abuse community came out strongly in support of stopping the Narconon Drug Education program for public and charter schools back in 2004-2005 and assisted and supported the California Department of Education’s findings recommending against its use in California public and charter schools. This story began with the 12 Nanette Asimov articles in the San Francisco Chronicle (from June 9, 2004 to March 2005) and quickly became a national and then an international story from the first published story. Many of the concerns expressed by the CDE findings are the identical concerns expressed in the law-suits about fraudulent claims, untrue “science,” and lack of common reasonable drug education standards in the Narconon Drug Education “program.”

    • Mooser

      That is a very interesting comment. Thanks. So Scientology was able to, at least, get itself considered for inclusion into the California school curriculum (In the form of Narconon) and a concerted effort was needed to prevent it? in 2004-5? Scary.

      • California

        ‘Twas.

        But successful. The CDE findings (still on the web-site) have been used many times over the years in challenges to the use of Narconon Drug Education, stopping Narconon rehab facilities from being started and as part of shutting them down.

        And OSA is still trying to cause problems.

        With California’s strong history of working with SAMHSA (federal) and state agencies to shut down many bad rehab programs (Narconon, unfortunately, is not the only one) during the past few years, I think the courts will give the cases individually a good hearing and a good result.

        • Mooser

          Thanks again for all those details. Fortunately, even tho drug rehab started out as a pretty intuitive thing, everybody did as they felt best, evidence based treatment becomes more and more possible as data (which is hard to get, and takes a long time) is accumulated.
          Somehow I doubt though, pretty much intuitively, that high doses of niacin will not be part of the more-successful regimen.

          • California

            Basically, substance abuse rehab started out almost a century ago with various groups, including physicians, trying to find the perfect program but without significant data collection or safe-guards for the clients except those in exceptional hospital settings.

            With the advent of the computer generation 30 years ago, there has been a large up-tick in well supervised rehab programs trying out various programs with constant data-collection and sharing of data among the programs. There is now documentation of “best practices” both in the educational and the rehab programs…. that was one of the purposes of the CDE findings for educational programs.

            There is NO one right rehab program for everyone but there are well-documented and researched programs that have a good success rate in the long-run. However, relapse is part of the healing process and “success” is constantly being re-defined … and it is increasingly obvious that recovery can be a life-long struggle… an aging population that returns to substance abuse is now a sub-set of elder research.

            Narconon drug rehab does not make the cut…. and increasing focus by the authorities and the law-suits are all helping to shut down the programs. This is over-due.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    If Tom Cruise defects and says something negative about Scientology, it ought be worth more than the 100 points that the Office of Special Affairs proposed statistics issue that gives only 100 points to someone like Cruise!

    I think international top celebrities ought to get MORE points, when they defect!

    Tom Cruise, only worth 100 points, he’ll be worth way more than 100 points if and when he defects!

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      A good protest sign:

      “Tom Cruise is worth more than 100 points when he defects you OSA people!”

    • Once_Born

      I wonder why they don’t give them air miles, instead of points. It would be a greater incentive, and… oh… yes. Maybe I can see why.

    • Phil McKraken

      Ever heard of a googolplex?

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Yea, Tom Cruise going public negatively against Scientology, someday, ought to be a googolplex (more long of a number than we have time and space to even write or think or write or think) value against Scientology.

        And Hubbard needs to stay on his OT running program a similar amount of time!

  • Sherbet

    Tony says: “…we’re still just in the preliminary phase of this thing. Stick with us as we navigate through the particulars.” Um, yeah. We’re not going anywhere, Tony.

  • Eclipse-girl
    • Eclipse-girl

      for protection

    • aegerprimo

      RED Xed! I’ll be back later.

  • Sherbet

    And cos in all its guises responds: “California? No, we don’t know anything about California. We’re based in Texas.”

  • aquaclara

    4 adults in 10×10 room. Filthy conditions. Underfed. Weeks in a sauna. Mega doses of vitamins. No medical supervision.

    I would like to see this in front of a judge. So all the Narconons get shut down.

    • Missionary Kid

      The local health department could be called?

      • Mooser

        In my experience, when somebody proposes setting up a medical drug rehab facility, you can’t keep the local, state and federal departments out of it. And, in many cases, anybody else who wants a shot at it (NIMBY!) That’s what is so alarming, in that even apart from the flawed basis, there are bunch’s of regular business and health reasons the state should be all over them.

        • Missionary Kid

          In California, group homes that cater to 6 and under are pretty much unregulated.

          • Mooser

            Aren’t all the Narconon facilities designed for, and anticipate, much larger numbers of clients? The hands-off policy toward Scientology is absurd. And it’s facilitating a great deal of harm.
            They’d never get away with it in Washington State, at least.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m glad they wouldn’t. In California, they’ve been forced to go to a series of 6-bed facilities to keep from being regulated.

              They need to have the light of exposure shined on them.

    • PRenaud

      In 2012 “$cientologist-run rehab centre ordered closed in Quebec – at least 4 clients taken to hospital in recent months…” but the freakish part is that when the facilities closed the students attending were sent to Narconon in the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/scientologist-run-rehab-centre-ordered-closed-in-quebec-1.1226881

    • Mooser

      There’s also the, and I think a big one, question, of whether the guy was ever properly evaluated in the first place! A $30,000 residential treatment program for a self-confessed “addiction” to Vicodin (And my God, if he was taking large quantities of Vicodin, with all that acetaminophen, and then goes to the ‘purif”, holy crap! Talk about chopped liver!).
      There are, these days, quite a few drug abuse treatment avenues to explore, (especially if the person’s life has not been ruined, and they are still able to work) before the most “invasive” (so to speak) a residential treatment is considered.

  • Missionary Kid

    I notice that online the comments on the Tampa Bay Times article has a few of the “all religions are bad” comments, but other than that, Co$ is getting their ass roasted.

    • Sherbet

      I miss seeing you in the Bunker, ‘Kid, although I know you often report on the tally of DM and sci names. You always have something good to add.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks for the kind words, Sherb.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I know. The “protector of the scam” are out, but I am glad to see that others are on to their tactics.

  • Science Doc

    Who pays for and controls the defense of these Narconon suits? Is it the individual Narconon entity until the inevitable amended complaint that names CoS entities, or does CoS control it and pay on day 1?

    • Missionary Kid

      I would imagine that their insurance company will pay, but then will turn around and sue NarCONon fot the money because of fraud.

      • aquaclara

        The fraud angle has deep potential for damage to Narconon.

        IANAIA (I am not an insurance agent), BUT I would hope that insurance companies run like the wind from having any Narconon as a client as a result of these lawsuits.

        Insurance agents are in the business of avoiding risk, and lawsuits just invite risk. I wonder if the NNs get covered through the umbrella organization or through a WISE company relationship (scummy if so), or truly on an independent basis.

        It is also possible that they have neglected to file for any insurance, if no one has ever verified that they have it.

        • Missionary Kid

          The more people in the industry that do risk assessment who know how exposed they are, the higher the premiums go. The policies don’t cover fraud, but the companies usually have to prove it before declining to pay off a law suit.

    • John P.

      I suspect that the individual organizations are involved in paying for their defense, but I would strongly suspect that Miscavige puts himself in charge of directly overseeing legal strategy for each case. I would also suspect that the main RTC or CSI entities pay most of the legal fees if they are joined to the suit. Narconon has to put up some sort of aggressive defense, because an individual location would be bankrupted by a default judgment (i.e., they didn’t show up in court).

      I would also suspect that an insurer would seek to be removed from the case at the outset if they sniff fraud because the odds of recovering a settlement that they pay on behalf of Narconon after the suit, particularly if that Narcnonon center is bankrupt, would be too small. As I recall, in the Narconon Georgia case, the insurer attempted to get out of having to pay for the defense early on.

      • Once_Born

        Sounds like a win-win. If the insurer successfully avoids paying legal fees, the cult coffers are drained just a little more. If they don’t, the ensuing damage is going to raise Narconon’s premiums.

        I’m astonished that they can get insurance in the first place – and that the insurance companies do not simply declare their cover void because they misrepresented themselves.

        • ze moo

          All NarCONon are individual corps that just pay franchise fees to the national org. Each individual CON location is on the hook for any lawsuit. It is possible, but unlikely that the national will have to pay anything for any judgement. If the local NarCOnon transfers assets to the national or to the franchise owners, or others, in order to hide assets from the suit, they might be on the hook for judgements, but otherwise they are usually not liable.

          The franchise owner is the one in trouble here and Ryan Hamilton has started what can easily become a national movement. There’s money to be made suing NarCONon and plenty of lawyers will want their cut.

          Georgia has not yet indicted any individual for the fraud at NarCONon Georgia. It has been 6 months since the corporate NarCONon Georgia surrendered their license. Are there going to be any individuals in court over that fraud? I would think that the insurance companies who were defrauded would be screaming for their 3 million back?

          http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/narconon-of-georgia-surrenders-license-avoids-pros/nZ7Sw/

          How many points get deducted, in the ‘birthday game’, for this weeks bad news? Someones going be overboarded with chains and cinder blocks on their feet for this weeks flubs.

  • John P.

    I am sorry to have been less active than usual in posting here, but I have been even busier than usual. The travel schedule has been a challenge for the last few days.

    A couple of thoughts, which may be redundant with other comments here:

    First, Ryan Hamilton’s litigation strategy is probably entirely appropriate for Narconon. The individual circumstances are different enough that Narconon cases may warrant filing separately. But main benefit of the strategy is that a large number of separate cases will likely take up all of the executive bandwidth in the cult and make it difficult for them to manage defenses. Recall that David Miscavige almost certainly micro-manages every detail of legal cases, in the (delusional) belief that he can singlehandedly affect the outcome. The more active cases are pending at a time, the more time Miscavige spends on legal affairs, and the less competent a job he does on any individual case, and the less time he spends on trivial administrative details like halting the slide in the cult’s finances, bringing in new members, or containing the fallout from last night’s Tampa Bay Times story.

    Second, the dismissal of the anti-SLAPP motion is a huge victory. I spoke last night with someone close to the case who had spoken personally with Ray Jeffrey after the decision was handed down. Apparently, the decision was even more favorable to Monique than Ray had expected (he was apparently confident that they would see the anti-SLAPP claim dismissed). The tone of the opinion is worth reading in detail even if you don’t normally read such things; Judge Waldrip is barely able to contain his snark and sarcasm. The only thing that Ray Jeffrey & Company didn’t get in their favor on the anti-SLAPP motion was a declaration that the motion was frivolous, which would have resulted in sanctions, which would have further blackened the cult’s eye.

    Third, I am glad that the Tampa Bay Times story is as epic as I had hoped. I had heard a couple times over the last two weeks that Joe Childs was working on a major story, that my sources thought would be “as big as ‘The Truth Rundown.'” It certainly seems possible that this will be the case.

    Finally, it appears that John P. and Global Capitalism HQ may see an elevated media profile in the next week or two. Given my life, with the swirling hubbub of private jets, tropical vacation spots, platoons of supermodels, five star restaurants and all the rest, you might have wondered just how amazing the life of upper management at Global Capitalism HQ might be. Who are these global managing directors who sit atop the apex of the global economy, you might wonder? You might just get a chance to meet one of these exalted economic overlords. And that is all I have to say about that right now.

    • Elar Aitch

      We’ve already seen the impact of Miscavige’s reduced executive band width when it comes to announcing event dates and times….ai yai yai

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve noticed that at the re-re-re opening last week, Davy Mismanagement only spoke for a short time. I’m hoping that it’s a measure of how distracted he is.

      I believe he’s in a positive feedback loop of anxiety, micromanagement, and anger. Since he eschews professional counseling, let alone auditing, and he trusts very few people, his anxiety level, IMO, will only increase. Because of his anger at Marty, he not only took unwise steps against him, but, I imagine, he has insisted that his attorneys take a self-destructive tack in their arguments and admissions.

      It’s his fault, yet I can imagine that he only tries to blame everyone else. He’s never admitted failure or a mistake.

      • Mooser

        “He’s never admitted failure or a mistake.”

        So he still has all six of his automatic “redemption Mulligans” every cult leader and mega-church minister is entitled to!
        Davey Miscavige comes out , spontaneously (in front of an elaborate tragic backdrop, and after several re-schedulings) and cries real tears, and apologizes to the dissembl….No, he apologizes to the ‘spirit’ of LRH’ and begs the brethren for another chance, and more money.
        That’s his best shot.

        • Missionary Kid

          It didn’t really work for Swaggart. The membership of his church dropped significantly afterwards.

          His cousin, Jerry Lee Lewis said that Jimmy was always the one he worried about.

          • Mooser

            “It didn’t really work for Swaggart. The membership of his church dropped significantly afterwards.”

            Well, that is one thing Miscavige doesn’t worry about. He doesn’t seem to care if there’s any reason to stay, and many reasons to go.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t know what his insanity is. He either has a huge blind spot, believes all the made up stats, or is totally incompetent or has a goal that has nothing to do with the continuation or growth of the cult.

              Since he only plays hardball and sucks money out of the cult, and isn’t providing even imaginary value the clams, he’s fucking up. The lies told to the clams are so outrageous in view of what they can see regarding the missing members, that even they have to start realizing there’s no truth.

              A while ago, we were wondering if he’ll try to disappear. I think he’s gonna pull the Hitler option and try to end his life if it looks like that’s where he’s going. He enjoys the power that he has over the remaining clams too much to flee. With the reserves of his wealth, he could hang on for a long time, but the legal thicket he’s going to face in the next coming months and years.

            • Ardent

              MK, I’ve worried about the Hitler option myself, especially given his personality. He has grandiose delusions, does not accept criticism, believes he knows better than anyone else, holds grudges beyond reason. That does remind me of a certain historical figure.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t think the Jonestown option is where he’ll end up, but I do think he’ll blame everyone else. He really fears jail, because he’s a little guy. I can imagine, he’ll try to buy protection there. He may suicide to avoid it, but the more I think about it, he’ll try to disappear.

            • Sejanus

              He would never off himself..too big a coward.

              I could see him faking his own death though.

            • Missionary Kid

              He’ll try to go where there isn’t an extradition treaty.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Good leaders, good motivators take responsibility for their mistakes, and the mistakes of the group.

        David (and Ron before him) were never able to admit their mistakes.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. $cion never defends, only attacks, and its leaders never admit fault, only attack. It’s scripture for them.

    • WhereIsSHE

      Astute, as always.

      Judge Waldrip couldn’t “pull the trigger” on the sanctions, but he fired a loud warning shot at the end of his opinion, concluding that the defendants had wasted hours upon hours of precious court time. I’d take that as a very good sign, were I Ray et al.

      Good to see you.
      Who ARE these people, I do wonder;)
      Welcome aboard, “exalted economic overlord”. (Speaking of wealth, …off to unload some of my personal coffers to the decent, local animal shelters.)

      • John P.

        The most obviously apparent difference between me (middle management) and a Global Managing Director at Global Capitalism HQ?

        My private jet only has two engines. The rich truly are different from you and I.

        • Once_Born

          We are obviously financial peers.
          Your private jet has two engines, and my bicycle has two wheels.

          • WildaBeast

            That makes me feel rich – my roller skates have eight!

        • chukicita

          My Rez Truck/War Pony *sounds* like it has a jet engine. I think it was made before there were jets, though. [opens another box of government cheese]

        • Artoo45

          Yes, but a 777 has only two engines . . .

        • WhereIsSHE

          Apparently, the truly rich are no different from YOU=)

          I fly commercial, thankyouverymuch.

    • Mark

      In other words: (1) Shortarse can’t keep all the legal plates spinning any more. (2) Yippee! Waldrip hates the $cibots almost as much as we do, but can’t look too biased. (3) Well said, and about time too, Joe Childs & the TBT. (Finally) Oh blast, one of the supermodels is bringing a paternity suit.

      Only joking – shall hold my breath until the reveal ;)

    • Robert Eckert

      Glad you’re back with us. We were worried you had flown to Beijing on Malaysian Airlines.

  • Anonymous

    The fabric of lies that has been weaved for decades and which has held Scientology together, is unraveling.

    The cause of the unraveling is not evil special interests or “psychs”…the cause of the unraveling is the picture painted via the stories told by real people who tried Scientology and found it wanting (or worse.)

    There is no going back….the actual truth about Scientology and its “products” has been laid bare by people who were in many cases deeply involved for decades and no longer want to participate.

    Those eye-witnesses cannot be silenced…justice will be served upon they who perpetrated the organized criminal behavior that IS Scientology.

    Lurkers…there is still time to become a witness…instead of a defendant.

    For those lurkers who have inside knowledge…go to law enforcement now with your truthful testimony of deliberate Scientology law breaking.

    Miscavige is headed for jail…would you like to visit with him inside the same prison…or from the outside as a cheerful well-wisher?

  • Gary

    Wow Stevens Creek alum making the news big today. I knew Mark Kimura in the early 80s there. Quiet, unassuming guy who Iater saw as the cook at the FH Lemon Tree. Can’t believe he has been there for so long. Boy they have warped his mind to go so far as to torture a family like this.

    And John Allender. His wife did my OCA in 78 and I was his first Comm Course reg sign up after getting ruined. He ended up being my senior in the Academy there. John was a good guy. Though his good intentions have turned him into a robotic zealot, not unlike a lot of us in our cultie days. I moved in with them and days later was sent to flag as part of the Kingsley Wimbush aftermath. The story has a happy ending as I met my soul mate of 30 years there. Two trips in and out of the SO. Two wonderful kids who we had to kidnap from the cult. We are all now very happy having found true freedom is right there for you to create. No gurus of any sort needed.

    Sara my heart broke for what you had to go through. I know you will be together again. Your daughter is too smart to continue living this lie. She can see what is going on around her. But we all must follow our own path and learn.

    Gary Sekigahama.

    • Lurkness

      Thank you for sharing and welcome to tne Bunker!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Welcome to the bunker.

      I am glad you have your family. I am glad you are out

    • Missionary Kid

      Welcome to the bunker.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Thank you for your testimony and I am happy that you and your family are well.

      Your comments about Allender triggered something in me. I usually mock and scorn him but it’s like I know this is a good man deep down. He’s so unconvincing as a Squirrel Buster thug, he’s so hysterical as an event enforcer. Despite his illuminated OT VIII status, he cannot make a credible case for himself in the most simplest of depositions. He’s lost.

      The cult cultured and exploited everything vicious and delusional out of him. On one hand I wish him to DIAF, on the other I ask, you must have it in you to surface and take a breath.

    • Sunny Sands

      Someday, if you feel like telling it, I’d like to hear more of your story of kidnapping your 2 kids from the cult.

    • D.Y.G.

      I’ve seen John Allender’s behavior in multiple videos and never came away with the feeling that he’s a “good guy”. A zealot for sure, along with pure, unadulterated meanness.

    • ShelGold

      Thanks for your kind words about my wife’s story. I also knew John Allender well in 1974. I audited him at San Francisco Org. Seemed like a pretty decent guy at the time. Barely recognized him in Squirrel Buster videos.

      • Mooser

        “I audited him…”

        What does that mean? You sat in his class, listened and got no credits? Or does it have another meaning I’m not aware of?

        • ShelGold

          Sorry.. It means I did Scientology counseling on him.

          • Robert Eckert

            he knows that, he’s just being mooser

            • Mooser

              “he’s just being mooser”

              No he’s not! I mean, well, yes I am, what else could I be. I just always find it funny when someone says “I audited him”. Can’t help it, the thought of two people sitting there with an e-meter, and what goes on, or doesn’t, is fascinating.

          • Mooser

            “I did Scientology counseling on him.”

            Ah, you “counseled’ him, with the aid of an e-meter. Of course. I can’t ask what you counseled him to do, that would be a violation of privacy, so I guess I’ll drop it.

      • Lurkness

        Sheldon, congrats to you, Sara and Nick for your integrity. I hope your daughter wakes up soon and rejoins her family in the real world. Thank you for sharing your experience so that others might be spared the evil that is the Radical Church of Scientology Cult. VWD. And welcome to the Bunker!!! Make yourself at home and do not mind the Mooser, takes a while to understand where he comes from if new here.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Welcome to The Bunker, Sheldon! I always read your insightful comments on other blogs.

    • Lurkness

      Based on your experience, Mark Kimura must be another of many prime examples of how the cult destroys good people. Mark’s response to the near suicide of the Goldberg’s son Nick is so cold and heartless it stuns. It is so outrageous and lacking in compassion that it makes you furious that the cult still gets away with so many crimes.

      For those who didn’t read the TBTimes, and to re-emphasize, here is Mark’s reaction to the scary and dangerous circumstances Sara, Nick and Sheldon found themselves that night. After their son is prevented from committing suicide, the IMMEDIATE church response by Mark and his concern is whether Nick (the SP) will now be moving out of the family home. SICK, I tell you. Scientology, always worse than you think. (refresh F5 for photo of Mark’s text to Nick’s Mother Sara).

  • mirele

    I rather like filing many lawsuits in different jurisdictions. It reminds me of what Scientology did to the IRS in the early 1990s. I am hoping that Ryan Hamilton has the manpower to push these things forward.

    • RMycroft

      Hopefully, once he wins a couple, most of Narconon’s standard roadblocks will be gone. IANAL, so I don’t know if settling will prevent any precedents from being set.

      • WildaBeast

        Okay, O/T, but every time I read the acronym IANAL, I cannot help but see it as two words first. I know, I’m a child, but it’s so strong that it actually kept me from seeing what it meant for a while. I don’t know whether to laugh or pity myself.

        • Miss Tia

          I do the same thing! :)

          • Ardent

            Me too! I had to stop and think, because surely that was not what was intended. : )

  • Intelligenceplus

    Sad news for the Victim who was duped, but GREAT NEWS that Scientology’s drug rehabs are being exposed and facing numerous Lawsuits. Good work, Tony!! Following a lengthy investigation at one Narconon by a persistent Investigator, I received a 4 Page Report on February 24, 2013. Details for the Public and Media are not available yet for several more days, but one comment in this Report is interesting, QUOTE: “Providing information, before and during treatment, which could be misleading as to the likelihood of a successful
    outcome, and which gave the impression that the results were guaranteed.” – UNQUOTE

    • scnethics

      That’s an accurate quote :)

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Some US state legislature should have a Sophie’s Choice law against ANY group that makes rules which result in family splitting.

    Make a test case, and run it to the Supreme Court, and if it stands, then official Scientology has to then follow the law.

    Make the law wide, so it covers NOT just religion’s which have institutional Sophie’s Choice behavior.

    This ought to be some kind of law in some country, and then become an international law issue also, so if the US stands in the country group that allows Sophie’s Choice behavior by groups that cause family splitting, then let that stain be on the US due to its self hand tying that allows their groups to do this family splitting behavior.

    Or, just the media keeps plugging away like this great Tampa Bay Times story, until it becomes common knowledge to LEAVE groups that enforce Sophie’s Choice behavior on their members!

    This is sick that society cannot semantically differentiate this behavior and outlaw it.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      SARA’s CHOICE

      • TDA1541A

        Angelina Jolie is a good choiche being an Unicef Ambassador

    • scnethics

      I agree with you that it should be done, and also believe it CAN be done. It would be very difficult, because there are millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses who would no longer be able to practice their religion in the way they are taught, but if we enforce laws against polygamy, we should be able to enforce this too. How it’s written will determine whether those opposing will be able to scare more legitimate religious organizations into thinking it’s an attack on them. If Christian churches feel like there’s a chance they could be targeted, it would be dead in the water.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        It’s been a tough one to deal with disconnection.

        Laws, I guess and country’s choices of dealing with extremism, whatever kind (religious and other group extremism) as it effects families, ought be laid out.

        Sticking to just the religious groups’ abuses, makes it a loss here in the US if one sticks to that.

        Best to go to wider group behavior that is institutionalized and so emotionally damaging to families.

        In the meantime, just the media so plainly showing how deep official Scientology is, is the best warning and public service that the media do!

        And publicizing the freezone and independent and Ron’s Org Scientology splinter group people who don’t do this obnoxious disconnection like institutionalized official Scientology. So people can quit official Scientology until official Scientology straightens itself out!

        • Mooser

          Wait a minute. If “disconnection” is a basic part of Scientology doctrine, why wouldn’t the Freezone or Ron’s Org start practicing disconnection (as detailed, if I’m not mistaken, by L Ron Hubbard?) when they feel they have to? After all, isn’t disconnection the way the Source, L Ron Hubbard, dealt with congregational problems? So why wouldn’t the Freezoners and Indies adopt it as readily, and with as little thought, as they adopted the e-meter and “auditing”?

          Or are you contending there is a scientifically, or even empirically valid practices within Scientology which will stand scientific scrutiny, and then can be separated from Hubbard?
          I couldn’t say, of course, lacking experience with it.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            I’ve noticed that Scientologists who lived before disconnection, who got involved in the 1950s up to when disconnection came into being in 1965ish, that they remember how people blowing even in the late 1950s, wasn’t even totally bad and banishable for!

            It’s those newer more “standard” Scientologists that even Marty has been critical of their dogmatism, who are people that would logically agree with you.

            The Ron’s Org people, they abide more, from my observation in the earlier pre disconnection atmosphere of membership tolerance of each other’s behavior.

            So there are different groups and mostly overall the Indies can still use SP theory to denigrate one another more, and the older Scientologists who are freezone and Ron’s Org do less of.

            Ron’s Org is the group I most think sensible, even though they have had and even some might still do the Bill Robertson additional OT levels, compared to the new Indie Scientologists who would never even try the Captain Bill Robertson OT levels.

            But I’ve noticed Ron’s Org people’s behavior as a group is pretty mellow and tolerant.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      It is most certainly a sad commentary on the state of society when such behavior is allowed to exist under the nose of the law. And in the case of CO$, flaunt it in fact.

  • TDA1541A
    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks.

    • GalacticGreg

      This is a fantastic video Td#A. Very interesting. Good show!

  • nottrue

    Taken a few min. ago at Porland org. Dead as a doornail…………

    • aquaclara

      Oh, look. No crowds of people swarming at the door, and the trees are all back in their unstretched out position.
      Thanks! This is fun.

      • Miss Tia

        perhaps we’re unable to see all the thetans swarming around?

        • Missionary Kid

          There certainly aren’t any people swarming to get in.

    • Captain Howdy

      You should stop in an ask Gwen “Prunes” Barnard if she has any candy left.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr2LErKVFHc

    • Missionary Kid

      Let her know that she can walk by as if she’s a tourist and peer into the windows, while looking around as if she’s only casually interested and on her way to somewhere else. If the building is as empty as usual, nobody will even notice her, or, if they do, as long as she isn’t visibly trying to take a picture (if she takes a picture with her phone, she can hold the phone up to her hear as she walks by).

      If somebody comes out, she can say that she’s fascinated by all of the video screens she can see in the window and ask what they’re for. If they want her to come inside, have her make sure that she has a good story in advance, like she’s waiting for someone and maybe she’s got the wrong block, and to never give her real name.

      The Portland building, however, has a lot of reflection off the glass from the street, so the only way that she’ll get a good shot from the sidewalk of the interior is by putting the camera or phone up against the glass to avoid the reflection.

      • Once_Born

        A better (and less attention-getting) solution is to use a polarising filter.
        Then you can take your reflection-free photographs from a distance.
        http://www.phototechnique.com/kit/polarising-filters/

        • Missionary Kid

          You’re right. I wasn’t even thinking of it because most camera and small cameras don’t have filter attachments. Next time I’m in Portland, I’ll just use one of my polarized glasses.

        • Mooser

          “A better (and less attention-getting) solution is to use a polarising filter.”

          There’s way, way too much of that these days. Even if it has been, as you say, almost normalised. People should try to find consensus, and make reasonable compromises!

      • Mooser

        I stopped at the Seattle Org, on Thursday and gawked like a hick tourist. Nothin’ doin. I sort of thought, from reading The Bunker, that scads, hordes, of nubile adolescent womens would try to inveigle me in. Love bomb me, baby! Nothin’ doin’. The place is deadsville, man, no inveigling whatsoever. I eventually trotted off to continue my day.
        Anotherwords (I hadn’t thought of this till now, damn it) not even Scientology sees me as a viable candidate or acceptable recruit. I can’t say I blame them, really.

        • Missionary Kid

          Was there even someone inside, or was the door locked? As I remember it, you said it’s not in a high foot traffic part of town. Is it an ideal org, or just plain empty? The Red X people seem to say that most of the CL posts come from Redmond, which is where Microsoft has its headquarters.

  • joan nieman

    It has been an exciting week for sure. All to the good for the antii cherch community! Ya!!

    • Betsy

      It’s a good thing I have a new hip, because I keep needing to dance!

      • joan nieman

        Ha ha! Betsy you make me laugh!

  • AnonRedX

    RED X ALERT, Aurora at WWP signals new ads in boston (go to the list, as discus is not happy with complex links)
    and new ads in Nasville with this simple link:

    https://nashville.craigslist.org/search/ccc?catAbb=eee&query=1130+8th+ave

    • AnonRedX

      Credits to aegerprimo

  • Mike Leopold

    Multiple lawsuits! Wonderful.

    Soon Miscavige will know exactly what the IRS experienced.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Is Sheldon Goldberg also long ago nicknamed Jed Goldberg?

    When I trained as a Dianetic auditor on the FSO TTC (auditor training) in 1975-76, Jed Goldberg was one of the Dianetic auditor/interns that was on the Apollo and he transferred with the Apollo en masse to Daytona and then to Clearwater.

    If so, that’d be an interesting person to someday for someone like Karen Delac to interview his views over the decades as a Scientologist.

  • WildaBeast

    Having finally consumed enough coffee to take it on, I read the Waldrip judgment on anti-SLAPP. It really is a huge victory. I think I might love this man. When this lawsuit is finally well and truly done with, the Bunker should get some money together and send him flowers or something. Certainly a mighty collection of thank-you cards.
    The Joe Childs story made my heart ache. Damn disconnection. Damn the {Church} of Scientology – although heaven knows it’s damning itself quite effectively all on its own, through policies this stupid and inflexible. I hope that Ashley’s love for her mother wins out over the fear that Scientology has put into her heart.
    The new Hamilton lawsuits are fantastic news. May another two dozen be filed each month until the Demon Micro-Manager is smothered under the weight of legal briefings. Individual lawsuits really do seem to be the way to go with NarCONon – and the faster NarCONon goes down, the happier I will be. I take great personal umbrage at the thought of the entire setup. I’ve lived with and seen the effects of drug addiction for too long to be able to take it anything but personally. I want Narconon crushed, I want them publicly exposed and shamed, and I want them forced to make financial amends to every former client who is still alive (and to the families of those who aren’t). I want every facility of theirs shut down, preferably on legal grounds so they can never re-open again. Right now Ryan Hamilton looks like the best hope to make that happen, so I’ll cheer him on every step of the way.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    No news on the Eckerd Hall birthday event still? Must have been spectacular then.

    • Missionary Kid

      You jest.

      • GalacticGreg

        Shirley?
        (btw, where *is* Shirley Eugeste?)

        • Missionary Kid

          I almost wrote that. I dunno where they are. Probably busy.

          • GalacticGreg

            Shirley was daily on for a while there. And then poof ! Vanished.

            • Missionary Kid

              Did a troll attack them?

            • Mooser

              “Did a troll attack them?”

              Hopefully, if an unkind or unruly poster hassled her hard enough to make her leave, somebody would have noticed. I’d hate to think it happened in the far reaches of the night, and nobody came to her aid, assuming it was needed.

            • GalacticGreg

              not that I saw. but there’s so much Bunker during a 24 hr cycle, that doesn’t mean it dint happen. But it didn’t arise in comments so I don’t know . . .

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      We’re just not getting that straight up and vertical enthusiasm feel, are we?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Way things have been, maybe DM cancelled at the last minute.

    • Miss Tia

      i keep checking WWP for a new blackrob thread! :)

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Narcanon – as deadly as the drugs they purport to fight!

    • WildaBeast

      More so. It is also more expensive. I’ve BEEN a hard drug addict. It took me over two years to go through $70,000 with a gram-a-day heroin habit, plus I was using that same 70 grand to feed, clothe, and educate myself AND for part of that time to support a second person’s habit.
      Narconon hits you for 30 grand for a couple of months. I literally don’t think I could have spent that much money that fast on drugs, even at my worst.

      • Dancing Cranberry

        Sorry you had to go through that, WildaBeast.

        Edit: Narcanon – as deadly as the drugs they purport to fight! AND, they’ll empty your wallet and the wallets of all of the people who love you enough to want to help!

        • WildaBeast

          Thanks, DC. Fortunately I’m not in that place now. God bless bupenorphine (aka Suboxone and Subutex), the first viable alternative to methadone since WW2!
          Mind you, I try very hard not to think about that money :|

  • pronoia

    A few years ago I met a woman (in a class I was taking) whose heroin addicted husband was sent to narconon Arrowhead by his desperate family — the result being that when he came out he was even more messed up than when he went in. They knew they had been ripped off, but did not have the emotional or financial resources go for some sort of refund or redress fo their grievances. I suspect that this is the case with a lot of families who have been victimized by Narconon. They invest so much hope and money into it at such a desperate time that when it falls apart, they are really scrambling to hold it together. Which is why these lawsuits filed by Ryan Hamilton are such a wonderful thing — hopefully other people will take note, and other attorneys will be able to follow his lead. If enough victims go after narconon for financial redress, it would not be long before the mother ship cuts them loose, at the point at which they become more of a financial liability rather than an asset.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Which is why it’s important to spread the word that resources and help is available:

      http://narcononreviews.net/

      • pronoia

        Yes, that is a wonderful website. If it had existed back when I met this woman — I would definitely referred her. I think it would’ve meant a lot to her to learn that there were others out there who had been through something similar. But by the time I met her, she was in the process of a wacky divorce from the addict — she was done trying to fix him and just wanted her life back!

  • Narapoid

    Another potential source of Law suits against COS in disconnection cases.

    I’ll bet that in the states where it is still on the books, the CO$ could be sued for Alienation of Affection. It is typically used on a cheating spouse’s lover (or alleged). Or an a THIRD PARTY, like the controlling fiends in the cult, anyone who worked to break them up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienation_of_affections

    • ze moo

      New Jersey (USA) was considering a law that allowed civil suits against anyone ordereding ‘disconnection’. Not only the $cientology version, but shunning and the like. I don’t know if the law passed or not.

  • iCandy

    Please bear with me as I’m kinda broken when it comes to keeping up with blogs – especially ones that use Disqus. I’m reposting something I placed in yesterday’s blog post, because I fear it may be forgotten down there. Sorry for the lameness. Here’s that post:

    As a belated birthday present to LRH, I would like to post a link to The Squirrel Watcher, very entertaining stuff. If you’d like to read the ramblings of David Miss Cabbage, skip to Volume Two, Issue One, “The Wit and Wisdom of David Miscavige”. This issue provides a transcript of DM’s court ordered deposition in a law suit. I’m sure many of you are familiar with these documents, but they were new to me, and I wanted to share them for your amusement. By the way, when I go to this link using Firefox, the browser automagically downloads a PDF file entitled SquirrelWatcher.pdf. There doesn’t seem to be a way to read it online. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Here’s the link: http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientology.org/text/Documented_anonymous_letters_by_the_Squirrel-Watcher

    Edit: When I view the above link using Internet Explorer I’m able to view the documents online.

    • Miss Tia

      I have firefox and could view it online and not as a PDF. WOW, those were great!!! I was reading niblet’s answers and i just wanted to buy a bottle of johnnie walker to whomever was asking them because i’d have throttled him after about the 3rd “I don’t know what you mean” !!

  • Lurkness

    “A Friday for the Ages” sums it up well. Happy Birthday LRH!
    I think we are experiencing what a certain cult calls AFFLUENCE. Postulating that it continues and even more strongly.

  • Dancing Cranberry

    For some reason, Disqus does’t want me to post these links. Or is it OSA? (Hi, OSA!!)

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434381

    • Dancing Cranberry

      maybe it worked this time?

      • WildaBeast

        I think I ‘safed’ it in time this time.
        We aren’t sure if the links are being auto-banned as spam, or if OSA is pulling a Big Brother act here and reporting the links.

    • WildaBeast

      for safety

      • Dancing Cranberry

        thanks, WildaBeast! Please stand by to reply to my next link!

    • AnonRedX

      Ty Mark

  • Troy MacGyver SP

    At first when I saw this lawyer’s bizarre web site I doubted that he could handle the $cion’s team of lawyers. But he really has grown on me. I think this is clear and straight to the point. Overt Fraud,point after point. I’ve called over the years just to hear their sales pitch and wish I had written them down. They’d say anything to get that,”sale” like psycho, $cion reg’s on Thursday morning.

    “90. Before calling his family from Narconon, staff members warned Branden not to sayanything about Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard. Further, staff members monitored his phone calls by sitting right next to him during his conversations.”
    Having worked in mental hospitals and treatment centers in my past this sounds like,cruel and unusual torture to someone who is going through such an awful experience as heroin withdrawal. And sharing soap in an abandoned barn sounds like something out of an early, John Water’s movie. I can’t believe they have been allowed to continue and expand. Does anybody know if it recruits many members into the cult?

    • Jgg2012

      “Before calling his family from Narconon, staff members warned Branden not to sayanything about Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard. Further, staff members monitored his phone calls”
      Ignore that man behind the curtain!

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Canada and Dublin have only a few ads on CL. Let’s get ‘em!

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434429

    With many thanks!! Every blue ad that you turn purple means one more poke in their sides.

    • WildaBeast

      for safety

      • AnonRedX

        Thank you Mark

    • AnonRedX

      When you have finished with Dublin and Canada, scroll up a bit for the USA list.

    • Toni m

      I just have the time to X the blues today. I check too the long list that was put this AM. Still behind with the yesterday’s good news and the article from the newspaper. So happy and so sad.
      Is my time to go to work. Have a good rest of the day Bunkeritos.

  • WhamBham

    Hello tiny dave….pinky on a dam…you have your pinky on a dam…and it is about to burst…..

  • Jo

    Riverpark Mission, Purification Program FB pic. They are using matchstick men instead of using staff or extras. Strange?

    • Captain Howdy

      They were using kirlian photography and those are body thetans.

    • cdub

      As strange as the other brochure someone showed a few days ago with photos of well maintained but totally empty course rooms etc.

      Maybe they need an “ideal advertising campaign” too instead of all this home made stuff.

      • Jo

        Yes, usually all the pics are devoid of humans.

    • Miss Tia

      Guess they wanted to ensure they pictured ‘individuals’ who wouldn’t escape anytime soon?

      • Dancing Cranberry

        I like your idea, Miss Tia! Best to have photos with nobody in them. That way, they don’t have redo them every time someone blows!

    • Natalia 2.0

      (refresh)

      • Natalia 2.0

        (refresh)

      • Jo

        I shouldn’t laugh, but I couldn’t help it, funny.

        • Natalia 2.0

          Oh go ahead and chuckle — my hope is to get the Scientologists to see the absurdity of it all (and entertain ourselves as well)

      • GalacticGreg

        C a u s e R e s u r g e n c e itself !
        Amazing to see $cientology Inc. processing in action.

    • Natalia 2.0

      Stick RPF :(
      (refresh)

      • Jo

        Reminds me of Pink Floyd, The Wall.

        • Natalia 2.0

          I was trying for the inside of a medical waste incinerator like the one Scott Campbell was in

    • Natalia 2.0

      Okay, last one — these were just too fun
      “The Truth about Scientology Stick Life”

      (refresh)

  • outraged

    Just can’t help it…yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayayay!!!!!!!!!

    you rock Judge Double You!!

  • Captain Howdy

    Paying thirty grand out of your own pocket to go to detox seems highly unusual to me to say the least. I’ve been to detox at least…let’s just say a few times, and it never cost me a dime. The first time my insurance covered it and after that it was a “free bed” which all detoxes, including private ones, are required to provide.

    • GalacticGreg

      This is the Malibu type of joint where Hopkins went, Lohan went, like Betty Ford isn’t free it costs big bucks. There are tons of em you don’t want me to list.

      • Captain Howdy

        I’m aware of the upscale detoxes and rehabs that if you have insurance they will even pay for a plane ticket for you to go, but it’s covered by insurance, no cash exchanges hands.

        And by “free bed” I meant that by law – at least in Massachusetts – all detox facilities. including private, are required to keep a few beds open for the uninsured.

        • GalacticGreg

          Yes, Howdy, but you know there’s a whole strata of upper class substance use disorder ‘clinics’ that *dont* take insurance. And are much more expensive than the upscale ones that *do* take insurance.

          But, one thing I know, none of them take cash – that’s unheard of. Except for Narco Non.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      But did it include the shared bar of soap in an abandoned barn. I bet you were there without all the whacky twin shit. All that staff adds up,too. You most likely didn’t leave with a crate of books to keep you sober either,Cappin’ Your detoxed sucked.

  • Science Doc

    I remembered that I know someone who does insurance defense litigation in California. Here are some pertinent details:

    The insurer will probably deny the claim immediately, but since California has a Duty to Defend law, the defendant can have an attorney write them and put them on notice. The insurer will probably then accept the tenders for the two cases under a Reservation of Rights. From that point on the insurer is looking for an excuse to file against their client in State court asking to be excused from their obligation to defend. Strong evidence of fraud would be persuasive. In the mean time the insurer does not pay for the defendant to defend the claim, the insurer defends the claim using a law firm hired from a stable of insurance litigation firms. The firm will work for the insurance company but represent the client. The difference is crucial. If other entities appear responsible in part or whole, and the cases can be won or liability can be reduced by blaming those entities, the wishes of scientology be damned. Insurance litigators of this sort in CA probably have a sticker price of $250/hr but discount to $175 for preferred insurance companies. If RTC or any other entity gets named, they will have a lot of trouble coordinating with the insurance attorneys.

    This is a major strategic problem for Scientology, and permitting the individual Narconon franchises to defend each case using insured defenses one by one will end badly.

  • TXCowgirl

    OT: This Fort Harrison photo was posted on Instagram 16 hours ago. Pretty posh! What was going on at Flag yesterday? Perhaps it was taken during the StuporPowerz Flag grand opening, but just recently posted?

    • Dancing Cranberry

      LRH birthday celebration?

      • TXCowgirl

        Indeed it was.

    • TXCowgirl

      • Sir_Real

        It should read “flourish” not florish. Their ignorance never ceases to amaze, doesn’t it?

        • TDA1541A

          It is fitting none the less:

          florish

          When somebody shows unnecessary signs of rudeness, grumpiness or
          stubbornness. Over competitiveness is also a symptom of florish behavior
          and they will rarely admit they are being florish. Florish behavior can
          come without warning and there are few cures to this behavior. It can
          last for minutes, hours and sometimes days.

          OMG did you see Alan today?

          No why?

          He was being so florish with me….

          http://nl.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=florish

        • TXCowgirl

          I found a couple more photos from last night. They are shots of couples: not all that interesting and the compassionate side of me does not want to get them into trouble.

          • Sir_Real

            No, Cowgirl, no need to get victims of the cult in hot water. Let’s hope they soon blow and be liberated from the evil clutches of Prince Tiny Meat’s corporate cult.

            • TXCowgirl

              I don’t disagree. The atmosphere pics are more interesting, anyway.

            • Sir_Real

              Indeed, love those glimpses into their rarefied world. Truth is stranger than fiction as the old adage goes.

          • aquaclara

            You could share with Black Rob at WWP if you just wanted to keep things quiet……
            *happy, evil grin*

            • TXCowgirl

              heh-heh-heh…..

        • GalacticGreg

          what with all the word clearing study tech student hat and all, yes

      • Miss Tia

        damn, i wish i had an instagram, i’d be messing with those tags!! :)

        • TXCowgirl

          Your messing is an art form, Miss T! You da’ queen!! I’m more comfortable in an observational mode and I’m going to be observing tonight. #PatronsBall2014

          • Miss Tia

            Yeah, I wish I still had my tablet….had to sell it back in October when my brakes went out….can’t get on instagram via a PC…..sucks when PCs are excluded from stuff! PCs count too dammit!!

    • TXCowgirl

      This was the table for the Belleair, FL mission

    • Observer

      And all that fanciness was the result of slave labor. Sickening.

      • TXCowgirl

        That was my first thought. Has there been any word on whether the little man actually made an appearance last night?

        • Miss Tia

          Lou probably had to put a diaper underoo on him and he had to be put in restraints after the legal info and then the Tampa Bay Times story went online.

          • TXCowgirl

            Maybe ingesting high doses of niacin will help to calm him down. The Twinky Tike couldn’t get any redder than his flush of anger.

            • Miss Tia

              The remaining bits of his liver would explode.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              I think it’s a combo of various Benzo’s and scotch.

        • aquaclara

          I heard a rumor that Davey did in fact show up at Ruth Eckerd Hall last night. I don’t know any more.

        • Lurkness

          Yes, DM showed up for the Birthday event. Announced he is bringing Golden Age of Tech to Narcon/Crimon/etc. But I thought they were not controlled by DM and the cherch?

          • TXCowgirl

            True dat! Thanks for the 411.

          • Sibs

            Sure. And David Miscavige has no business in Texas.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Gotta get those Whales drunk to get their check books out. Probably has musak w/ hidden subliminal messages.”Up your IAS,need more Ideal,buy more books..”

  • Sir_Real

    An end to this quackery known as Narconon now! Keep the lawsuits a-comin’!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Mar. 15: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #17,156 – down 344 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 15,995)
    Scientology: US rank #38,634 – down 564 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 40,301)

    Difference: 21,478 – 220 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 24,305)

    Clicks from India – 3,3% today.

    Lowest US rank for Tony since I started monitoring on Oct. 14th 2013.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Thanks, Johnny Tank, for keeping us informed. I’m going to postulate a further downward trend in that red line.

    • aquaclara

      I just love that Tony, with the Bunker, trumps Davey and his magic carpet cult of eleventy-billion members. Every day.

      Thanks, J.

  • Cymboli

    Honor is something that I feel is lost in America today. One’s honor used to be something cherished and protected as priceless. I have often questioned Marty’s motivations and how he views his relationship with all of the abuse that has taken place within the church. I read his blog fairly regularly and over the past few years he has clearly been actively engaged in soul searching. He is a seeker and that is something I very mugh appreciate. Some may disagree but personally I see this apology and encouragement to/for Miller as showing character and most definitely honor.

    • Mooser

      Mister Rathbun? May he live a long life.

    • Robert Eckert

      It has moved him up in many people’s esteem including mine.

  • AnonRedX

    RED X alert from ForLease at WWP, Boston (again) and SFBAy,
    Please check them on the Daily list.
    The link is below with Dancing Cranberry 4 scrolls down

    • AnonRedX

      TY aegerP, I really fancy this one

  • deanblair

    I am glad to see that Scientology and their front groups are being sued and I have an on going prayer that they lose every case they try to defend. It makes me happy to see Scientology losing $ from their billion dollar war chest.

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Time to poke the beast! If you haven’t flagged ads yet
    today, please spend a few good minutes doing so. If you have flagged, check
    back to see if there is anything new/blue.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434381

    • Dancing Cranberry

      For safety. And thanks to our talented graphics artists.

      • BumpIt McCarthy

        Another great graphic, DC. Anyone interested in frontiers of shameless emotional exploitation should take note of the “ONLY FRIEND YOUR DOG???” come on. Wow!

        Also, to lurkers: “freeloader debt” is unenforceable and IMMORAL. You don’t owe the church; the church owes you. Even indentured servants were given their freedom after three years, if they survived.

        Don’t route out, get support to get out. 1 866- 973-2674 1-866-XSEAORG

        • Dancing Cranberry

          Not mine. Aegerprimo and Mark have been busy – as have others.

          I love the dog ad. When I have a little more time, I’d like to write some counter ads. One would definitely be in response to the dog ad. If you have a choice, choose the dog!!!

          • aquaclara

            Davey should take a few of these himself. Here are some I think are perfect for him: Anger problems? No friends? Trouble at work? Organizational problems? Are you happy? Depressed? Can’t sleep?

            Miscavity is a walking ad for the BIG FAILS of Scientology….

            • NOLAGirl

              The ad that always gets me is “Are You Tired of Being Human?”

              I think Toy Dictator teaches that one himself.

        • Frodis73

          I can’t find the dog ad…can somebody give me the link? I want to see it…I obviously love dogs…my avatar is my dog, who is the best dog in the entire world, ever. Ha,ha.

          • aquaclara

            Easy to find. Top of the list at Chico. Click the WWP link to the Craig’s list ads, and Chico is the first. Don’t forget to flag.

            • Frodis73

              Thank you. As if I needed another reason to dislike the church. I’ll take any dog over the *real* friendship being offered by these wackos. I’m offended on behalf of all dogs worldwide.

            • aquaclara

              I know. Is that your labby? So cute. My lab/greyhound mix is right here with me – he’s blond, too. He puts up with my laughing at the computer, since on big days (like live blog court days) he gets a few extra treats for the especially funny things that crack me up. While I am working, of course. ;)

              These people have no business mentioning pets. And the parenting ads get to me, too.

              Sick cult.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, that’s my baby. He actually isn’t with me anymore. He was 11 yrs when I had to put him down. Hands down, the best dog ever. I do have another mix of some type (maybe an Australian Kelpie) who gives me funny looks when I “talk” to the ‘puter. Also have cats…I just love their reactions when I get excited or laugh at stuff here.

              This cult doesn’t leave any stone unturned…they just have to bring dogs into the mix! Can’t even have the decency to leave kids & animals alone. And trees! Jeez! Suck it DM.

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            I’ve been flaggin’ again and didn’t see it. Really terrible,which is good for us.

    • Freethinker

      Done. I hate $cientology ads. HATE THEM.

  • BumpIt McCarthy

    The first couple of ads are a HALF HOUR old!

    http://boston.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=scientolog*|dianeti*|%22448+beacon%22|%2250+vassar%22|%22617+266+9500%22|%22857+247+0648%22

    • Dancing Cranberry

      got ‘em. Thanks Bumpit.

  • Jimmy3

    Hambo fears no Narconon scum. He will take them all down.
    http://www.hamlegal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Billboard-Hambo-Web.jpg

    • Dancing Cranberry

      I wonder if Hambo knows about the Bunker?

      • Jimmy3

        I would say yes, as I’m assuming he’s spoken with Tony Ortega. And if not, anyone thoroughly researching Narconon and Scientology is sure to find articles written by Tony Ortega. Whether he’s an avid reader or not, I have no idea.

    • Captain Howdy

      Scientology only has 8 levels

      Hambo has OVER 2000!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wABUxt1CZ8E

      • Jimmy3

        I counted at least three Wilhelm Screams AND one Darth Vader “noooooo!!!” That alone makes for a great trailer.

    • aquaclara

      Jimmy, this is great. I hope Ryan Hamilton sees it. You’re talented.

      (If you’re feeling creative and/or bored, David Love might just appreciate a pic.)

  • Jonathan Cummings

    I read that story about the Goldberg’s and it just makes me so angry. This abusive, money hungry cult must be stopped from breaking up more families. It is heartbreakingly sad.

    • Sir_Real

      Damn them for what they do, despicable, deranged tyrants.

  • AnonRedX

    WWP is down for me !

    • NOLAGirl

      Me too.

      • AnonRedX

        they are back

        • NOLAGirl

          Thank you AnonRed

    • Robert Eckert

      It’s been happening to me off and on the last couple days but usually if I try a little later everything is fine. They may just be having bandwidth issues when too many log on at the same time.

      • GalacticGreg

        who has band width issues anymore, it’s approaching the roaring 20s of the 21st century for keereist’s sake. unless they own their own servers and networking themselves, that can’t be the issue.

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t know that WWP has bandwidth issues, but even professionally hosting can struggle to handle traffic. Even twitter was temporarily brought to its knees by a selfie. We’re still closer to 2010 than we are to 2020.

          • Mooser

            “Even twitter was temporarily brought to its knees by a selfie.”

            You should see some of mine. They’ll leave you flat on the floor, gasping for breath.

          • GalacticGreg

            quibbling over a few years- the 20s are coming sooner than later.
            WwP isn’t getting anything like Twitter traffic on the Ellen post. They can certainly rent enough server bandwidth to withstand the post traffic they get; but they may not want to spend the money. If they own their own hardware which a lot of URLs do, then negotiating even the kind of traffic they get can be tricky when it spikes.

            • Jimmy3

              I was only addressing “who has band width issues anymore.” The answer: many.

            • GalacticGreg

              of course. In the early 90s, lots of people were hosting their own URLs, using a PC or 3 on bandwidth speeds @ 1200 baud. Today it’s much easier to get a big pipeline that would handle their traffic. It’s odd, is all I’m saying, that they ‘don’t’ ‘n I wonder why- you’d think they would. But who knows what goes on with their planning what with hackers abilities nowadays taken into consideration.

            • Jimmy3

              I said “I don’t know that WWP has bandwidth issues,” and then was speaking in general, not about WWP. Again, I was only responding to “who has band width issues anymore.” Which you seemed to believe was not a problem because we’re approaching the “roaring 20s.” You’re the only one who’s assumed that WWP might be running on some Anon’s Windows XP machine with a cable connection.

            • Jimmy3

              And that was a joke about what you’re assuming, I know you didn’t say that, so you before you continue this stupid line of conversation, let’s just drop it.

            • GalacticGreg

              ‘Who has band width issues anymore’ is for any enterprise putting out a product where they are anticipating a lot of traffic, uploading pictures et al. And I made no assumption about wwp; I suggested a possibility. I don’t know nor do you.

              The comment stands solid as very few sites go offline for bandwidth issues anymore, as large bandwidth is a cheap commodity moving towards the 20s of the 21st century. Which makes the default point that for wwp, might be something else. Like hackers.

      • Mooser

        “It’s been happening to me off and on”

        In that case, keep your eye on spring, and run when church bells ring! All I wondered, was how her arms might be, and it happened, to me!

  • Observer

    This is OT but OMG, someone wrote a book based on the Tone Scale called “How to Choose Your People.” The book is online and there’s more info on the WWP thread.

    http://www.whale.to/a/minshull_b.html

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/ruth-minshull-in-the-encyclopedia-of-american-loons.117430/

    • GalacticGreg

      Good find, thanks!

    • Ruby

      This is the first scientology book I ever read and is what got me interested in looking for more information. It was later “banned” from the cherch because it was not written by Ron.

    • Jimmy3

      Based on the introduction and first chapter, there is comedic gold to be found here. Bookmarked it for future mining.

  • IBBy

    I like watching the dominos fall, one by one. Soon scientology. Soon.

    • Mooser

      I really do think 2014 will be about it for them. Yes, it may take years to wind up the legal stuff, but I can’t help thinking that this year will be about it for Scientology as a viable organization.

  • AnonRedX

    RED X ALERT from Dolly, Burbank mission is trying a new trick.
    But we are on top of them

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/eve/4376730586.html

  • TXCowgirl
    • Frodis73

      Yay! I was hoping this would be picked up by others for more exposure.

    • cs sarabia

      The Daily News is owned by Mort Zuckerman who also owns US News & World Report. I searched their website but it’s not there. I really hope they pick it up, too. It’s THE paper distributed at hotel room doors every morning so it could reach a larger audience that doesn’t follow stuff like this on the internet and only knows about Co$ through Tom Cruise who most people regard as a harmless, if kooky Hollywood actor.

      • TXCowgirl

        Good to know. I expect more news outlets will cover it on Monday. Friday night-Sunday night news is kind of a dead zone unless a crisis is breaking.

    • TXCowgirl

      The article gives Tony O a shout out and there is a comment from Mr. Goldberg at the bottom.

    • GalacticGreg

      you are some savvy media buster down Meh hee coh way, thar in Tejas, Texas G. Always appreciate your on-the-moment snippet from the Interwebz.

      Max Spaceman-Galactic Greg

      • TXCowgirl

        Well, bless your galactic heart, honey. Thx!

        …I didn’t realize you were one in the same with Max. Didn’t you have a previous moniker to Max Spaceman?

        • GalacticGreg

          Yes. I *so* wanted to get off having to use ‘Asthmatic Dwarf’ !! I just couldn’t be meself !

  • TXCowgirl

    Narconon victim agrees today to tell story of human rights abuses
    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=11659

    • aquaclara

      More great work by David Love. He builds trust and reports what he sees. I have so much respect for all the hard work done by the entire NN-busting crowd. Let this be the year……

  • WhereIsSHE

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579712/Church-Scientology-hires-Olympian-Scott-Miller-recruiter-controversial-drug-rehab-centre-gold-medallist-underwent-intensive-sauna-vitamin-therapy-ice-addiction.html

    My apologies if this has previously been linked, but if not…. enjoy.
    CoS (Miscavige) hires Olympian Scott Miller as a recruiter for Narconon.

    Way to go, LOSERS.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I could not comment.

  • Sibs

    Damn, I travel and get sick for one day and this is what I missed. So… getting caught up now… is there any possibility of someone in the government taking notice of all of these different Narconon suits and putting some big picture pieces together? Not that I’m sure what they can do.

    • TXCowgirl

      I”ve been wondering why you had not been commenting during the breaking news of the past 24 hours. Glad you’re back. Baby has been conspicuously absent, as well.

      • Sibs

        I’m home now, but I may get off again soon because I’m still somewhat sick. Some really exciting news yesterday and today, huh?

        • TXCowgirl

          Tuck in and join back tomorrow for the Sunday Funnies.

        • aquaclara

          Feel better, Sibs! This is all great stuff, isn’t it?! Go find a pillow-we’ll all still be here when you are better!

          (And I will admit that after being away for much of Thursday and Friday, I fell sound asleep right over my iPad last night, reading the fine words of the most honorable Waldrip. I have a crappy phone by way of the sacrifice for the iPad purchase.)

        • Missionary Kid

          Hi Sibs. That news can really cheer anyone up.

      • Mooser

        Did Baby say she had things to do which would take her away from the internet for a bit? I have a faint memory of that?

        • TXCowgirl

          I didn’t read that, so it’s not “true” for me! :)))))

          • Mooser

            Well, I hope it’s true, that all is fine, just not connected.

            • TXCowgirl

              Me too. I was being scio-silly.

            • Mooser

              Let us say that we will see her tomorrow, when she gets around to looking in, and everything will be oojah-cum-spiff (I hope that’s clean, cause I don’t know!) again.

              True story (they all are!): I lost phone touch with someone, and repeated calls went unanswered. About the time I was going to search the Hospitals and Ideal Morgues, the phone rang, it was him! He had his phone in his shirt pocket, he was in the bathroom, he leaned over at the wrong moment and the phone, it got flushed!.

      • Missionary Kid

        She’s now working several days a week. These could be them.

  • GalacticGreg

    Never seen a huge general public news paper coverage like this. Can only hope it spreads to every major-selling paper in every city across the globe. Yes! Thanks to Texas Cg for the link/post.

    • DodoTheLaser

      I am pleasantly surprised other media picking up this story.
      Looks like this became scientology’s own Ides of March.

      I said yesterday it will create ripples and then WAVES.
      We are looking at them now.

      • Elar Aitch

        Fingers crossed for Sara, Lori and others that this does become a huge change in the tide

    • Sir_Real

      One of the sadder posts I’ve seen on here lately. Please may her babies, yes babies, escape back to her loving arms soon. This makes me sad, but my sadness could not possibly match this poor mother’s sorrow. Damn, now i’m further outraged by those cultist bastards.

  • Dancing Cranberry
    • Dancing Cranberry

      safe

    • Mooser

      Wow, that “does your child get bad report cards” ad piss me off!

      The ad is so bad, so transparently fraudulent on so many levels, I can see how it works. If I placed that ad, I would feel very sure I could put anything over on anybody who answered it.

      • Dancing Cranberry

        I agree, Mooser. They really target people who are anxious and vulnerable. I do love flagging!

        • sumdayiwill

          I hate with a passion the parenting ads..it keeps me going for the pathetic ones.

  • Eclipse-girl
  • Troy MacGyver SP

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlRGTIFC9-k#t=60 Clam party. Leave those youtube comments!

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Stream
      Troy Macgyver1 second ago

      Remember to bring your credit cards to upgrade your IAS membership! Drawing fora,Honda scooter to those who donate the top ten amounts! We’re gonna have so much fun!! Stan Gerson is incredible! Book Sale to follow..Get those extras for our library program!!! Very special guest Star!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Regging in style. Also, masked, so you don’t know who’s your reg. Seems legit.
      At least there was nudity in that Eyes Wide Shut masquerade with Tom Cruise.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      I’ve got my mask ready

    • GalacticGreg

      What is it with Clams and their belief system – and their chirch management and their Organization locally nationally globally – EVERYTHING has to be called IDEAL. They have Ideal saunas for purif rundowns. They even throw Ideal Masquerade Balls.

      Clams and The Cult of $cientology Inc. are fucked-up-to-the-gills arent they.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Hubbard talked about the “Ideal Scene”, which in a real world is equal to a desirable state of affairs. May be that’s where it comes from. Only on kool-aid and PR steroids.

        • GalacticGreg

          It does sound like Davey the runt punk could’ve run across that comment and had 1 of his lower middle class South Jersey/So. Philly made-man fake phony ‘brillian’ ideal ideas. And threw the word at his entire freakin’ chirch.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Yep. The Ideal Douchebaggery.

  • WhamBham

    Call me bitter or heartless….I do not feel sorry for Scientology “victims” (except for the kids)…sorry but after this many years there is no excuse to not know what is going on…I’ve been following the cult for 20 YEARS…it’s not possible that people that are in are suddenly “surprised” or “shocked” by what is really going on…

    These are adults that have minds of their own…if they didn’t take it upon themselves to read or research, then I don’t feel bad for them. Tired of the “they’re not allowed to read entheta” excuse…

    ok, rant over….

    • Elar Aitch

      These adults had a mind of their own at one stage – then at a time of vulnerability they were exposed to mind altering effects of a cult. They become spiritual salvation addicts. The psychological processes at play ay differ in degrees between people, but we all share the cognitive biases that keep people enraptured for so long (cognitive dissonance, sunk-cost bias etc)

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Ok, I’ll play. You are bitter.

    • Missionary Kid

      Remember that the censorship, and especially the self-censorship is very powerful. Their entire world view was shaped to a particular story, then every bit of news coming in is attached to that story. Both types of censorship are some of the first things that a clam learns as they are hypnotized and seduced into the cult.

      What the person starting out in $cientology doesn’t realize is that whatever goal they hoped to achieve when they joined will be gradually moved further away, and efforts are made to interpret those goals to match those of Co$.

      Isolated from the rest of society by the group they are surrounded by, as well as their own minds, what do you expect from them? if they are confronted with facts that contradict what the cult tells them, they have learned to disregard facts.

      I do have sympathy for those victims, as I do the fundamentalist Christians who reject scientific evidence of the world around them.

    • 0tessa

      These are adults that ‘had’ a mind of their own, I would say.

    • Chub Rub

      Anyone of us can leave our religions or jobs and not lose everyone we
      know in the process. Our churches and jobs don’t keep secrets on us to use later. I have sympathy for anyone who has been lied to
      and duped and can’t leave or suffer from a type of Stockholm Syndrome. Who cannot have sympathy for those who
      suffer? How is that being a kind fellow human? How is someone who is trapped and reads your words to feel encouraged to leave this vile cult when people like you publicly blame them?

  • GalacticGreg

    “The locations for this ‘movie’ are a former mansion of a maharaja in deepest Sussex, an ocean- going yacht where punishments akin to keel-hauling are ordered by the cult leader for those who disobey his whim; a sleepy Florida town which is taken over by the church; and sumptuous Los Angeles properties where movie celebrities are lionized by the cult. Behind it all is the guru, described by his estranged son as a sadist, a debauched devotee to occultism, and yet seen by his followers as a genius who discovered a religion that combines the ancient mysteries of the East with Western technology and psychotherapy. He is denounced by judges as a ‘charlatan’ and in 1980 he disappears with lawsuits pending against him and accusations by his followers that they are being persecuted for their religion.” — by Lamont Stewart, Religion, Inc. (1986) http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/lamont/lamont.htm

  • cs sarabia

    It would be so great if the Goldbergs could go on the morning show or talk show circuit to discuss their situation. Leah Remini has appeared so the ground is watered. Heck the Today Show flies that circus of a family, the Duggers, out to NY twice a year. This is a more newsworthy. And since the show has become mostly “infotainment” they can work in the Cruise, Kidman, Holmes, Haggis angles.

  • DodoTheLaser

    With revelations like this, it’s no surprise someone at RTC is very anxious about current affairs:
    “ENEMIES OF SCIENTOLOGY DEPOPULARIZED TO THE POINT OF TOTAL OBLITERATION”
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/03/14/enemies-of-scientology-depopularized-to-the-point-of-total-obliteration/

  • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

    okay Bunkerites and Bunker Lurkers! Help us flag those COS CL ads!
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434381

    Sea Org Members: Your doubts ARE valid.
    The freeloader debt is legally UNenforceable.
    You don’t have to route out just BLOW.

    Thx THDNE

  • DodoTheLaser

    Apparently, Hubbard’s Bday event was really extra boring this year.

    “No need to wait. The reports came in last night. Miscavige was there and
    announced he was going to come out with a new GAG lineup for the SBCs.
    Sherman gave his “source” presentation of indecipherable shermanspeak.
    And then “the French guy” handed out the bday game awards.”

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-otc-minutes/#comment-39239

    • Elar Aitch

      SBC’s?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Social Betterment Corporations (groups), like ABLE, WISE, IHELP, CCHR.
        Basically – front groups.

        • Elar Aitch

          How are you Dodo….I’ve been MIA for a month or so. Good to see you’re still here to stoke the bunker fires, ready for the new post.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Pretty good, thanks. You doing well?

            • Elar Aitch

              Great thanks. Having a glorious Indian summer

            • DodoTheLaser

              Wonderful! Always great to hear from you.

            • Robert Eckert

              Over here we’re getting Indian winter. Not nearly so glorious.

            • Elar Aitch

              Maybe a sunnier avatar as a postulate ?!

  • AnonRedX

    My Post has been swallowed up, I will try again.
    I am early as we will be out for the next 5 hours.
    Go and do some flagging on thenew list while you wait for sunday’s funnies and maybe more good news.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434950

    • Chub Rub

      I’m a nube and just began helping with the flagging. I was wondering if anyone has a form letter to send as a “reply” to these ads as well with “Leave Scientology….there is help” types messages with links for them to follow and read. Whoever is opening the replies has internet access. Maybe this can help someone? Has this been tried? I can do some test ones and see what replies come back.

      • Pierrot

        That would be interesting, keep us informed.
        Personally, I do not have nor do I know of anything like that having been tried.
        Hopefully somebody here will come with some ideas, there are quite a few bunkerites with a good imagination for this kind of rescue mission.
        Thanks and catty on flagging

        • Chub Rub

          What sites do you think I should include? This site, Mike Rinders Blog, Why we Protest and a link to Going Clear? I was thinking of creating a form letter with interesting links w/photos of headlines and sending to the items I redflag. Should take just another 20 seconds to attach and send. Since I’m new here and never-in, I’d like to use something simple, yet strong. Is Operation Clambake over the top? (I have followed this site for 10 years.) Ideas that would make an impression to someone opening these replies would be great info. Thx! I’ll do a test run on 200 flags. I’ll post what happens.

          • Frodis73

            Check the comments section here http://tonyortega.org/2013/09/22/the-scientology-guide-to-craigslist/ for some funny examples of spoofing the ads by somebody named peakofelephants. This person came up with some great stuff. I want to set up another account over there and post some warning & get out/get help ads myself, but I just have not gotten around to it yet.
            ETA get help

            • Chub Rub

              Thanks for the ideas. I thought sending ads to their ads is free access to someone lower down. A headline like “Society Misses You…Come Home….Everyone Else Is”. I’m barely employed right now and in marketing. I have a little extra time. I could come up with something compassionate for the slaves opening the replies. Just want to get the buzz words right. I’ll check out that link and the work of the creative peakofelephants! Thanks.

            • Frodis73

              Share what you come up with with us-I’m sure others will want to cross post in their cities.

            • AnonRedX

              Sorry I had to go.
              and only now do I remember you.
              I see what you want to do.
              Do not rush, get advice and think about it, I do not think that you will have many chances to get these people to look.

              If you mock them or their faith, you will lose them.
              Do not be critical, tell people that they can preserve their eternity outside, that the tech and the bridge exists outside, friend of LRH, Free Zone, Indies …

              Speak to karen de laCarriere, Torry Mangoo, Chuck Beatty, they do post here, catch them and explain your ideas, and ask for advices.

              Here are some websites to recommend. check them get the feelings about these sites from the people I mentioned.

              Maybe it is better to choose the website that give the best hope to be able to carry on being a scientologist. It is generally a halfway house and eventually they wean themselves away from corporate and fundamental scientology.

              Thanks for trying.

              friendsoflrh dotorg/
              possiblyhelpfuladvice dotcom/
              iscientology dotorg
              freezoneearth dotorg/
              milestonetwo dotorg/
              milestonetwo dot wordpress dotcom/

              sorry about the cloak & dagger but discus does not like me to post urls

              good luck

  • El Con Blubbard

    The Narconon Lawsuits recently filed are filled with the scamming techniques used in the “Church” of Scientology. When does the government step in and protect innocent victims of this BUSINESS ORGANIZATION that calls itself a Church so as to be immune from WOG laws and not pay taxes? Enough is enough!

  • DamOTclese2

    Lawsuits against these fucking criminals is expanding! Straight up and vertical!

  • Jack L.

    Man, some of you guys are just plain stupid. Narconon and the church are completely separate!!! You should know, Narconon graduates aren’t even wanted by the Church. The church does not want people that have used heavy drugs especially mind altering drugs. They are not the right “public”. So, they sure as hell don’t recruit or brainwash. Narconon doesn’t use an e-meter or believe/educate/use any of the spiritual beliefs the church has. They just fucking use similar terminology which has roots in regular english words. Narconon was awesome for me. Cheap too considering other places like promises. I stopped using drugs, I’m a catholic/Buddhist and don’t follow the spiritual beliefs of scientologists. When I was at the center, none of the staff members were even scientologists or had any consideration for it either. You guys are dumb enough to believe whatever your doctors tell you, take all the fucking meds that are forced on us by OUR GOVERNMENT and target a great rehab center that tries to do things holistically. Whatever happens at the church has nothing to do with Narconon and all churches have shady methods. Just look at the Vatican!!! We really should be focusing on our government and the messed up shit they are doing instead of targeting Narconon which has helped people like me and a few of my good friends. Hamilton looks like he likes to touch little boys and he’s just going for an easy target. He’s a four-eyed loser.