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Vivian Kubrick posts remarkable photos from the sets of her father’s movies

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What’s going on with Vivian Kubrick?

In November, we reported that she’d showed up at an Alex Jones rally in Dallas and appeared to be a big fan of the conspiracy-obsessed radio host. Why was that surprising? It was if you knew the backstory: Vivian is the daughter of Stanley Kubrick, and the great filmmaker appeared to be grooming Vivian to follow in his footsteps before his death in 1999: At only 17, Vivian made a documentary, Making ‘The Shining’, then seven years later composed the score for her father’s 1987 film, Full Metal Jacket. Then, sometime around 1995 we believe, Vivian became involved in Scientology. A year later, Kubrick began shooting his final film, Eyes Wide Shut.

“Stanley asked Vivian to compose the score, but at the last moment she said she wouldn’t,” Kubrick’s widow Christiane told the Guardian in 2009. “They had a huge fight. He was very unhappy. He wrote her a 40-page letter trying to win her back. He begged her endlessly to come home from California. I’m glad he didn’t live to see what happened.”

Vivian had disconnected from her family in the Scientology way. Kubrick died in March 1999, a few months before Eyes Wide Shut opened that summer.

In 2010, the Daily Beast’s Nicole LaPorte talked to Katharina Kubrick, Christiane’s oldest daughter and Vivian’s half-sister, who said that Vivian was still not talking to the family. All they knew was that Vivian had showed up at her father’s 1999 funeral with a Scientology handler.

“When his funeral was held in England, Katharina says that Vivian showed up with a Scientology member…The person sat on a bed, saying nothing, while Vivian complained of back pain that she said had been caused 10,000 years ago,” LaPorte wrote.

Ten years later, in 2009, Vivian didn’t come to England for the funeral of her sister, Anya, whom she had been extremely close with growing up.

“She has completely changed as a person. And it’s just very sad. We’re not allowed to contact her…Something happened to her. She has been changed forever,” Katharina told LaPorte.

When our story came out in November, it was the first time that Vivian had surfaced in more than a decade. We heard from a family friend that Katharina and her mother, Christiane, were stunned to see Vivian on the video, talking politics with Jones, who gushed about Vivian’s father, apparently clueless about the family history.

A few weeks before that Dallas event, Vivian had started a Twitter account. We’ve been following it since then. And we weren’t the only ones who noticed that beginning on Sunday, she’s been posting some remarkable photographs from her childhood and from her father’s sets. Let’s look at a few of them, each with the captions that Vivian put on them…

 
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2001: A Space Odyssey. Here’s another photo of me and baby Chimp : )

 
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The Shining: This is me in my ‘Making The Shining’ cutting room 1979

 
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‘Making The Shining’ Me 1980 at EMI studio’s in my cutting room, using 16mm Steenbeck … my Dad took this

 
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Full Metal Jacket: 1986 Dad and me on location. Me with Aaton Camera & my beloved dog Fanny, the brilliant&beautiful!

 
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Clockwork Orange: Me 1969 Pablo Ferro took this: I helped cut out those Styrofoam letters on the wall : )

 
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In Memory of my Dad, who I loved with all my heart and soul … Dad and Me 1979 on the back veranda of Abbots Mead.

 
After some 15 years separated from her family, Vivian is suddenly reminiscing about her dad. Could this mean that, at 54, she’s having second thoughts about disconnecting from him?

We traded messages with Katharina Kubrick yesterday, who confirmed that she was taken by surprise when we posted the video of Vivian in November. We asked her if anything had changed — did she have any knowledge of Vivian leaving Scientology or re-connecting with the family?

But Katharina told us that nothing has changed, and Vivian is still disconnected from her and her mother.

We’ve sent a message to Vivian, and we hope she’ll get in touch with us and explain what’s happening in her life. We’re burning with curiosity about her experience in the church, which seems somewhat odd.

LaPorte talked to a friend of Vivian’s who said she was living near Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre and leading a very quiet life. But we wonder about Vivian’s status as a Scientology “celebrity.” We’ve talked to many of our regular sources, some of whom held positions at the highest level in the church, and others who had experience at the Celebrity Centre, and none of them knew anything about Vivian and her involvement. She doesn’t seem to have been held up as a big celebrity ‘get’ by the church itself.

As for her current status, Vivian still sounds like a Scientologist. Just five days ago, she put out this tweet, railing against Scientology’s traditional bogeymen — psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry — and provided a link to CCHR, the church’s front group that attacks the psychiatric profession…

 
Hey, Vivian, drop us a line. Let’s talk about those amazing photos, your dad, and your journey in Scientology.

 
UPDATE: We see a lot of speculation about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman and Eyes Wide Shut in the comments, and we can understand why. It may be important to point out that when Kubrick began filming Eyes Wide Shut in 1996, Tom and Nicole were out of Scientology — but they kept that secret at the time. As former Scientology official Marty Rathbun has pointed out, when Tom and Nicole split up at the end of 2000, it became his job to bring Tom back into the fold, and he did such a good job of it, by 2004 Tom Cruise was the most gung-ho celebrity in the church.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 12, 2014 at 07:00

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  • J.W.

    Why were two Scientologists starring in his movie when she disconnected from him? Wouldn’t they have to as well? Or no because they’re celebrities so they get special treatment?

    • Jory

      Good question J.W.

    • WISEcracker

      I’ve thought about that too and I decided that maybe Kubrick intended for it to involve Cruise, knowing that his absurd ego and low intellect would prevent him from seeing the true meaning of the film, while being its star…Kubrick puts lots of layers into his movies…maybe this is just one more.

      • Shannon

        This is what I was thinking too. Damn I hope so.

        • joan nieman

          Now I am going to re watch the movie on Netflix later.

    • Sid_Snakey

      Kubrick first discussed the roles with Cruise and Kidman as early as 1995, but no later than 1996 (the story goes that Cruise was in England while Kidman was filming “Portrait of a Lady” which opened in 1996, and visited Kubrick). Eyes Wide Shut holds some kind of Guinness World Record for longest shoot or something, and took a couple of years to film, starting in November 96 and finishing in 98 before release in 99.

      So Tony’s statement that “a few years later” (after 95) Kubrick began filming EWS is slightly incorrect.

      So Cruise’s first 95/96 meeting with Kubrick is way before Cruise’s very public Scientology meltdowns, and is about the time Vivian got involved with Scientology, and is likely BEFORE she disconnected

      • Tony Ortega

        Yes, you’re right and I’ve made the change in the piece. Filming started in 1996. When exactly Vivian had got sucked into Scientology I haven’t figured out yet, but I’m working on it. And yes, at that time — mid 90s — Tom and Nicole were out of the church, but they kept that secret at the time. As Marty Rathbun has indicated, it was only after Tom and Nicole broke up, at the end of 2000, that it became his job to get Tom back in — and by 2004, Tom was the most gung ho celebrity of all.

    • Natalia 2.0

      Wasn’t Tom off-lines and drifting from Scientology during the filming of “Eyes Wide Shut”?

      “Cruise, the Church’s most visible adherent, had been drifting away. According to Rathbun, Miscavige — Scientology’s de facto head since Hubbard’s death — blamed the actor’s wife, Nicole Kidman, and viewed her as a gold digger who was faking Scientology. He says that Miscavige was hopeful that if they portrayed Nicole Kidman as a Suppressive Person, Cruise could be peeled away from her.” -Lawrence Wright, Going Clear

  • Adam Smith

    I’m all for raising your kids however you think is proper, but having a child on a movie set where fully nude women are being used as furniture and all sorts of psychosexual behavior is being discussed and portrayed is just bad, bad parenting.

    • richelieu jr

      You do those ‘fully nude women’ are made of plastic, right?

    • DamOTclese2

      Yeah, the girl has never seen a naked female before, huh? What a shock that much have been for her. (/sarcasm)

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      I understand where you’re coming from. I felt some horror seeing a young girl imitating those girl-tables.

  • Observer

    In Memory of my Dad, who I loved with all my heart and soul … back before Scientology turned my heart to stone and stripped my soul away so that I felt no compunction about discarding my family like so much trash …

    This is unbearably tragic–another family gutted by Ron’s Abomination.

    • D.Y.G.

      It brings to mind Tayler Tweed’s mother – “But I’m at peace with what happened.”

      • Buttons72

        I will never forget that either, DYG.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Yes, these photos and captions practically shout how unhappy she is with her life at 54, and how much she misses her dad. Miscavige seems to have the effect of making members’ lives loveless and very unhappy. All the crap being written by church members on Facebook or in emails about how happy they are re-doing basics, etc., is so empty and frantic. How many years can people live without their families, pretending to be helping humanity when they know in reality all they are doing is making money so Miscavige can live in luxury, and build empty mausoleums? I think it’s only a matter of time before the dam breaks and people go rushing back to their families.

    • DamOTclese2

      Vivian has been a customer long enough to realize that Scientology does not work. She may still buy the Scientology lunacy about the mental health industry while not buying the “tech” frauds. What a mess.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Brings me to tears to see the ‘In Memory of my Dad, who I loved with all my heart and soul’. IF this happened to my daughter, gee. I dont know what I would do. Yes OSA I have a daughter. Or do I? Yes I do. Actually no I dont. Maybe I do. You will never know. Rest assured I do though. (Not really)
    Dam you Scientology, sloth hubbard and bully boy miscavage

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Scientology; Bringing “hypocritical” to new heights since 1952.

    • Captain Howdy

      Every time I see that AV I think “Kelly Manson”

  • D.Y.G.

    What a horrible, sad thing. It’s painful to think about her giving all her potential to Scientology. I wonder if she’s thinking about what might have been.

  • Captain Howdy

    I’m guessing that Vivian has some underlying issues that Miscavige has been exploiting all these years and now Whackman Jones is attempting to glom on to the family name and fortune also, sad.

    • kemist

      Scientology is like a trojan horse for your brain.

      Once infected all other sorts of shit can get in to transform you into a raving lunatic ready to infect other brains.

      • Narapoid

        Ewwwie Kemist, love it!

      • Miss Tia

        haiku inspiring! 🙂

        • joan nieman

          Ha ha Tia! Everything inspires your Haiku. What have you got today? Never mind, I am scrolling.

          • Miss Tia

            yeah, they’re somewhere around here….just a few today….. 🙂 working on some for l. ron’s birthday tomorrow! 😀

            ETA: yeah, a lot of different things will inspire a haiku!

            • Buttons72

              Woot! I nearly forgot! I might have to clap out my syllables and join you. 😉

            • Miss Tia

              Hell yeah!! I’ve jotted down pages of ’em today in my little notebook—I dunno what i’ll end up tweeting tomorrow but I have options! 🙂

              Let’s joke and degrade
              L. Ron Hubbard birthday boy
              And the $ci Church too! 🙂

      • Captain Howdy

        Like i said, I think Vivian probably had mental health issues before joining scientology and she was ripe for the picking when she ran into it. But that’s just a hunch on my part.

        This would explain why Miscavige keeps her on ice near the CC and doesn’t trout her out in public to exploit her name because even he knows it would be risky.

        • kemist

          Perhaps…

          There was a post on Mike Rinders blog a few days ago where Chris Shelton explained how the second gen scilons were recruited using various conspiracy theories… Which prompted a bunch of exes to start expound, in all seriousness, about Alex Jones, David Icke and other similar nutcases… The samples we get from FB are also replete with that kind of kooky thinking.

          A lot of scilons and exes swallow the conspiracy kool aid. The scientology mindset seems to be an excellent growing medium for all the crackpot conspiracy theories out there.

          The problem with Vivian is that she does not keep that quiet when in the presence of unenlightened wogs.

          • Captain Howdy

            The thing with her appearing with Jones is a recent development, before that she seems to have been living in total seclusion, not counting her handler, that is.

            • GalacticGreg

              “handler” – I hate that sh1t, the f*cking cult of $cientology

            • Barbara Angel

              Ditto X 1,000 they’ve caused Soooooo Much Harm to Soooooo many people and are still getting away with it. Grrrrrrrrrrrr

          • D.Y.G.

            Was it Sindy Fagen who was here in the comments talking about her jaunt into the Infowars message board? Whoever it was, I’m not entirely sure it was her, was shocked that those people rejected her and Scientology. She thought they were natural allies.

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s hard to say where Jones and the rest of the conspiracy cult stand on scientology as It seems to vary from moment to moment from what I’ve read.

              “Radio broadcaster Alex Jones promotes Dr. John Breeding on his infowars.com and prisonplanet.com websites and sells two of his books. Dr. Breeding is a
              Scientology-endorsed psychologist who warns about the dangers of Ritalin and other dangerous drugs that are being forced on children today, and offers alternatives. The alternatives spring forth from Scientology and are spiritually dangerous.”

              But I also seem to remember reading Jones and Icke describing CofS as being a mind control NWO CIA front group.

              These con men are all in competition, so who knows what they really believe.

      • Qbird

        Scn. brain infection – yup…

        • Panopea Abrupta

          You must keep this for Hallowe’en.
          Yeah !!!

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Maybe Scientology will cease to exist. A thetan can return at any point on the time track with each new incarnation, we all know this.. So if anyone here makes it back to March 13, 1911. You know what to do. R2 45. Or if you arrive 40 years later you could get rons 70- 200mm and ram it where so many things have been rammed before. (inanimate objects of course) ((i think inanimate anyway))(((ok maybe live things too))). You get the drift. Maybe the mexican stand off was really one of us, back on the time track, or is it, or was it, trying to get hubbard relieved of his command before he did something really scary. You know, like WW3. Just sayin…Have you watched the video of nibs stating hubbard wanted to steal an A bomb… thanks to the mexican stand off he was stopped from using it..

  • TickTockDM

    Stanley Kubrick suffered because Scientology led his daughter to disconnect from him. The title “Eyes Wide Shut” indicates that Tom Cruise’s film character was “willfully ignorant” about the reality around him, as Jenna Miscavige Hill later suggested about Cruise in real life.

    • Barbara Angel

      “Wilfully Blind” is a legal term, still used in the Highest Court in Australia. Meaning their are no excuses if the person, “knew or should have known” that a situation was not quite legal or right in some way. So TC will have a lot to atone for ‘one day’, but who can say when or if he will eventually wake up and cease to be “Wilfully Blind” to the damage Co$ does and continues to do? Oh hang on a minute Co$ rules don’t appear to apply to him as he is allowed contact with Suri and Katie, in theory they are both SP’s….

    • cdub

      It sure seems intentional that his daughter is a Scientologist and he brings in Tom Cruise for a film. Maybe Kubrick was also trying to reconcile with his daughter.

      • Tony Ortega

        See my update to the story.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    I HATE SCIENTOLOGY

    • Barbara Angel

      Ditto X 1,000……. What’s not to hate about this CRIMINAL organisation?

      • Betsy

        BA, I’m finally reading Bare-Faced Messiah. (It was hard to get a decent copy!) I think you said you had read it…that spoiled narcissist boiled the best away from everyone he got close to, including his aunts and parents, and didn’t look back. And then to have the nerve to proclaim that he was “Freeing” the universe…

        • Buttons72

          Sociopath. It’s what they do.

        • Barbara Angel

          Lest we forget, LRH was ***Barking Mad*** and had serious Mental Health issues and was an extremely successful Con Artist. All people were viewed in his sick mind as a mark, therefore he took as much as he could get from ‘everyone’ which included anyone who could be useful toooooo him. Sadly tooooooo many people were too happy to give away their personal power and all the money they had & then some. Look how easily he tossed his wife under the bus and left her in prison only to ignore her later. “Freeing the Universe” is just one of the MANY, many, many ***OUTRAGEOUS*** claims from this soul destroyer and Black Magician. He was certifiably insane it’s just that no one had the guts to lock him up. By the time the law enforcement went after him he was hiding in a drug induced stupor.

          • Betsy

            So true. He is seeming more detestable with every page I turn, and Miller is actually careful not to write with a particularly biassed tone. As with Lawrence Wright’s book, the truth, just left to sit there and moulder on the page, is enough. The lies! And no one ever seemed to check…

    • Xen

      I hate the Ginger Pig and all the demons infesting the organization, may he roast in Hell.

      • Sejanus

        Hell didn’t want him, he was sent to Venus…Uranus…or someones anus..something like that…lol

        He also gives gingers a really bad name..which is saying a lot..considering they steal souls and all that 🙂

        • WildaBeast

          He was shoved up his own arse after death to become a bad, pustulent imitation of Ourobouros :p

      • Missionary Kid
        • My name is Larry Lester

          From here on in . Thou old man shallest be knownest as the Ginger Pig

          • Barbara Angel

            Please don’t insult gingers or pigs. lol

  • cs sarabia

    I wonder why Scientology doesn’t encourage the children of wealthy individuals to maintain contact with their parents. Putting on a face for them, so to speak. That way there is a better chance that they’d still be named in their parents’ wills and the cult can eventually hit them up for the money.

    • Captain Howdy

      They do encourage this by telling them to use the “Good Roads, Fair Weather” routine when talking to their parents.

      But then the parents start questioning why their children can’t make it home for the holidays..and inevitably their children start bringing up scientology in the conversations they do have..then the parents become even more alarmed because of the crazy shit they’re hearing..then CofS steps in and pulls the plug.

  • Narapoid

    I think she has an automatic “memory edit” program running in her head. Make all new data fit Scio paradigm. And God help her if she were to fully appreciate the pain her disconnection brought to her father.

    She is not alone in this affliction.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Bizarre… it’s as if she’s, at some points in her life, not actually been in control of her decisions. Which points in time, of course, are still to be determined.

  • BosonStark

    There are three elements of Scientology that may hold some attraction for Vivian, and some others, to some degree, who become clams. Instead of it just being Scientology imposing these things, some people in their late teens or twenties go in wanting some of these things.

    1. Disconnection. Some people — not kids who grow up in it, obviously — get in Scientology in late adolescence when they are rebellious and looking for reasons to disconnect from their parents or group of friends.

    2. Past lives. It’s a whole realm most people don’t explore, because we have enough on our plate dealing with the present, the future, and our own past during this lifetime. Yet, some people latch onto this idea of thousands or millions of years of past lives and it makes them feel eternal and expansive, and alienates them from the “one-lifers,” which is a terms clams sometimes use to disparage wogs. This can feed into the disconnection too, as people get lost in the realm of their relationships in thousands of years in past lives, and disconnect from their family and friends.

    3. The evil psychs. Scapegoating is a way of causing cohesion in a group and providing an answer for the bad things that happen, some group to blame, which satisfies people who are looking for all the answers. For most of us, well, myself anyway, we accept that there are a lot of things which are unknowable — maybe even some basics like, is there a God, and why are we here.

    One thing of which I’m quite sure is that we aren’t here to obliterate the evil psychs. Vivian probably feels otherwise.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Life’s problems overwhelm some people and they grab solutions that lessen their problems, even if it’s a smorgasbord of exaggerated prejudices.

      I’ll bet she was brought into Scientology by a friend, and didn’t read the internet first!

      Wish she’s get through OT 8 and then do a movie about it all!

      “Daughter’s Eyes Wide Open!”

      I mean, Tony’s linking her to Alex Jones, the conspiracy phase still obviously running in her life runs parallel to Hubbard’s conspiracies (Hubbard drew from the same well that Jones’ drew from), Hubbard went more sci fi though, Hubbard’s galactic bad guy psyches! (Psychlos!)

      She’s a possible for making a funny future movie, if she gets her head on straight, if ever.

      Imagine her consulting on a future South Park movie about Hubbard and Miscavige, but she’d need to move up the Scieno ranks and get near Dear Leader Miscavige.

    • Barbara Angel

      Hahahaha adolescents stumbling into Co$ as part of their rebellion. Well…. joining the beans & rice brigade would be an unwelcome wake up call that things at home weren’t really that bad after all. But the disconnection aspect is a very serious abuse of Co$ power over its victims. And they are VICTIMS.

      • BosonStark

        Read GOING CLEAR, the part where Wright talks about the attraction of being a “contrarian” to some people who join Scientology. Scientologists take pride in rejecting the values of their parents and outsiders. Paul Haggis talked about this too, how they consider themselves to be rebels.

        • Barbara Angel

          I’ve read it thanks.

        • chukicita

          It’s evident she was close to her father – let’s remember also that he was making films during the McCarthy era, and even moved to England to make films he felt he could not do in America for political reasons. Perhaps she was raised in an atmosphere of doubt and cynicism. i wish she’d apply it to Scientology, though.

        • ze moo

          The urge to rebel and find ones own way is strong in most adolescents. Why do people become skinheads or nazis? Many of the fringe groups market themselves this way. “Be your own person, in our tightly controlled cult”.

        • Jgg2012

          Note that Scientologists tend to be Republican; it has a huge appeal in Hollywood, where most people are Democrats and drugs and psychs are commonly used by artists struggling with fame. For them, its a good way to be contrarian.

      • Betsy

        As is true with a lot of cults, CO$ points itself at young people who look lonely or disoriented (a large chunk of the adolescent population.) I read…I think in the Nancy Many book…that they had great success at university student unions, looking for lonely kids.

        • Buttons72

          That’s the crux. The craigslist ads point to this; they prey upon the vulnerable, the lonely, young and depressed. Grrr

        • Barbara Angel

          Betsy the good part is that lonely kids don’t have access to mega bucks but can be ***USED*** for free slave labour. Any single mother who has survived; surly, lazy, rude teens (like I did) will probably smile at the thought of over privileged teens (like mine were) being suddenly forced to “work until they drop” for little to no pay and be fed on beans & rice. Hence Co$ has a need for fresh kiddies to labour away for peanuts, because my guess is….. lazy teens would run away pretty quickly and recognise that living at home is a much softer option. lol

    • villagedianne

      Many world religions have a belief in past lives, including Buddhists and some Hasidic Jews. It’s a pretty common belief in many parts of the world. Like any belief, it can be used in a good or a bad way.
      For instance, if you believe in Karma, then if you disconnect, you will be disconnected from in turn, and experience the pain you caused to others. Scientology cherry-picks the whole past-lives-karma idea so that the bad things done in the service of Scientology somehow don’t count. Sorry, COS, it doesn’t work that way.

      • Betsy

        Very good point. Karma has to do with cause and effect, not with constructing a private wall of protection and getting everything your own way. Just one more rape of Eastern thought by the always-superficial Elron.

  • baddog5623

    As a filmmaker it breaks my heart to see the wasted years of this talented woman and all the secrets of the art that she has not put to task. I hope this is a reconnection of a kind with the fond memories of her father who clearly loved her.

  • Just Dee

    I’m a little surprised that she actually allows Tony to follow her. I figured he would be a HUGE SP. Makes me wonder is all…..

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    The flip side of all the information about Scientology being out there is that the Mummies and Daddies now know just how horrible things are for their kids. It is not a self help organization or a nascent religion the way the kids say it is; it is just a scam that exploits a person until they are empty. Maybe Kubrick had the hope that his daughter would be treated better because of her link to his celebrity. I loved Kubrick’s films. I saw 2001 seven times at the theatre. Since then I have probably seen it another ten times.

    I have seen the all rest with the exception of Eyes Wide Shut. I couldn’t get over Tom Cruise being in it. I watched the first twenty minutes but then turned it off. I kept seeing the actor, not the character he was playing.

    To me, the penultimate celebrity offspring is Paul Howard, the son of Moe. I saw him in Philadelphia, perhaps 15 years ago. He showed home moves of his growing up with Moe, swimming in the backyard pool, and talked of how messed up his childhood had been because of the way his Dad treated him. He spoke in a very Scientological way but referred to it as his “therapy”. At least he showed some dignity there. I showed some, too. I was ready to tell him that my Dad also treated me poorly and that we didn’t even have a pool (but I decided to recede).

    So, Tony, if you are reading this, please note that even forty-one years after his death I don’t have to refer to Moe using his last time and you still know who he is. He is at least Marilyn class. Who do I have to kill to get you to give his cute little son a phone call?

    Start off– So what what it like growing up with Moe?
    Move to– Have you had much plastic surgery?
    Then– Do you ever talk to the other celeb kids– Elvis’ daughter perhaps?
    Then poke him in the eyes with– Are you as stupid as your old man pretended to be?

    Attached is the Stooges (got to 1:07 or you will sit through a Simonize car wax commercial first) from 1960 taking on crackpot, exploitive organizations that say they can cure arthritis. That was one of the cures in Dianetics wasn’t it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DATpxpOeCbg

    • Captain Howdy

      The Stooges denouncing the e-meters of the world and Son of Moe ends up a scientologist? How ironic.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks for the note Captain Howdy.

        Let that be my contribution for all the celebrity children. I realize that, unlike my own children, they have been targeted by Scientology because of their name and their money. They deserve a special bit of sympathy.

        • RMycroft

          Alistair Cooke had a daughter pulled into Scientology spin-off The Process/Church of the Final Judgment in the 60s.

          ‘It is dreadful to be an onlooking parent, for the loved child is lost’ October 20, 1999, Nick Clarke, The Guardian

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Between that and the Cookie Monster satires, his life must have been a shambles.

            The Process would have been my cult of choice had I a choice. They were sexually promiscuous. I would have been a member for life.

            • RMycroft

              Ah well, there’s always the Raelians for that. I don’t think they’ve slipped from goofy to sinister so far.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve always been partial to the Thuggee.

        • Betsy

          I had the same reaction to Tom Cee in the Kubrick movie. His presence ruined it for me. Not so with Nicole, who is a genuine actress. At this point I couldn’t see that smug Cruisey face in ANYTHING and believe in it.

  • BosonStark

    Scientology is a magnet for the children of people who are famous or very accomplished. Even if they are very talented themselves, like Vivian, they will never reach the stature of their superstar parent.

    Instead, they can join Scientology and find out they have a much greater purpose; they are here to clear the planet and create a new civilization without war, drugs, crime or poverty. And at last, total freedom.

  • WildaBeast

    I am sorry for the following wall of text.

    If he was able to put Tom Cruise in his last film and deal with the guy
    every day for months with all this history there, more power to him. I
    don’t know if I could bear to associate on a remotely civil level with
    someone who was an adherent of a {faith} that had taken my child from
    me. Maybe I could; it’s not Tom Cruise’s fault that Elron was a lying,
    paranoid, sociopathic sack of sewage. Still, my respect for Stanley
    Kubrick has just increased by a fair margin.

    I can see, maybe, how
    Vivian can manage this particular bit of cognitive dissonance (love
    Daddy more than anything; let’s not talk to Daddy!). I cut off contact
    with my mother three years before her death. I was in very bad shape
    and she was sufficiently crazy with the booze as to ask me over the
    phone, when I told her I was getting clean (or trying), to pick her up a
    fatal dose of morphine so she could kill herself. That request
    convinced me at the time, utterly and absolutely, that the woman I loved
    more than I did myself was gone somewhere I couldn’t reach her, behind
    the booze, and that trying to reach her would only tear me to shreds at a
    time when I could least afford it.
    Nonetheless, I missed her
    desperately every day and the only truly bitter regret I have in half a
    lifetime of questionable choices is that I allowed myself to be
    convinced not to call her for “a few more weeks – just until the
    holidays are done”…and then she died ten days before Christmas.
    You
    can love someone so much you’d die for them happily if it would do them
    any damned good, and still cut them out of your life because you’re
    convinced that you CAN’T help them and that trying will only hurt you
    more than you can stand to be hurt and remain sane. And maybe Vivian
    was convinced by her POS handlers or auditors or whomever that her
    father was somehow a “hopeless cause” (read: not convertible and
    relentlessly hostile to Scientology and her involvement with it), so for
    her own safety she would have to cut him out of her life. Disconnect.
    I hate that word.
    However, fifteen years of utter radio silence,
    followed by a sudden burst of very sweet and nostalgic photos and
    tweets, tends to indicate some kind of change afoot in Vivian’s head. I
    hope so, anyway.

    Vivian – you still have a mother and sisters. They
    love you and they miss you and they are probably the only ones with
    whom you can truly share the best memories of your father. I know what
    it’s like for it to be too late to make things right with a parent. I
    know how that unfinished business sits like a weight in your soul that
    you have no choice but to carry for the rest of your life. The only
    comfort I’ve ever found for it is to share my memories of my loved one
    with someone who loved her just as much as I did. That comfort is
    precious and it is mutual. Don’t deny it to yourself; don’t deny it to
    your family. There may be bad blood there but they will forgive you
    because they love you. Believe what you want. Believe stuff that
    everyone you love thinks is utter batshittery. They don’t really care
    as long as they have you back and if you’re really serious about those
    beliefs, they’ll stop challenging you about them and those things will
    just go undiscussed so that you can retain the joy of each others’
    company. There is an independent movement that will let you practice
    your beliefs without forcing you to cut your heart into pieces. Don’t
    let other people destroy your connection with the only people on earth
    (besides your putative significant other) who can be reasonably expected
    to love you unconditionally. There is still time to repair this breach
    – take it into your own hands and use it. Ask yourself who has
    benefited from this separation between you and your family. You? I
    doubt it, judging by those tweets. Your family? How could they? Your
    city, your country, your world? I hate to break it to you, but most of
    us don’t know who you are so we can’t be affected by your actions. The
    only group that benefits is Scientology, and they benefit only because
    they can stand in loco parentis and exercise more
    influence over you the fewer people you speak with. Ask yourself why a
    religion needs such control over its adherents, and if it’s really a
    religion if that’s what it needs. And call your mother; she’s getting
    old.

    • aquaclara

      This, said from the heart, is so good. I hope everyone who has disconnected has a chance to see this, and then pick up the phone. I’m sorry for your loss, W. But know that your mom is close by, and will never forget your love for her.

      Thanks for sharing such an important post.

      • joan nieman

        Wilda, your testimony could be hundreds if not thousands of others. You have expressed the intense love that rules over any emotion. Thank you for sharing that with us.

      • WildaBeast

        Aqua – thank you. I hope they do too. If it really gets the point across I hope it gets copied and pasted throughout the entire interwebs; I don’t care if this username gets credited for it, nothing. I just…want this to have done some good for someone.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Very Well Done.
      I hope to hell she reads this post.

    • Sidney18511

      Anyone who reads your post will KNOW that you pulled this from deep within your heart. What wonderful advice! Wishing that, by some stroke of luck that VK reads your post and that you WB find your own peace

      • joan nieman

        Yes. Please read this Vivian .

      • WildaBeast

        Thanks, Sidney. I think, when I can learn from it, I’ll be able to come to terms with it. That’s how I’ve come to be mostly at peace with my other really epic mistakes, anyway. And I just may go hunting today to see if Vivian Kubrick has a public Facebook page…

    • Good Fella

      So very eloquently said. It touched me deeply. I had disconnected from my mother soon after Hubbard came out with all that psychotic nonsense about suppressives and having to disconnect from them. Only at that time you had to post your disconnection letter on the org’s public notice board which in our case was in the public reception area! Plus the letter of disconnection to her. Can you imagine her reaction. We connected back up years later and never a word was mentioned by her – God bless her. So Wildabeast, to a small degree I can only try to comprehend your own personal anguish. Thank you so much for sharing with us. And God bless Tony for providing us a forum to communicate these experiences with one an other.

    • Mrs. V.

      Very touching post.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Your wife is a very lucky woman!
      Thank you yet again.
      So touching, so powerful, so deep.
      (((HUGS)))

    • Barbara Angel

      Wow, so beautifully written thank you. Words from the heart speak volumes and can repair anything. Providing she can break away from her handlers. Sigh……………………

    • Betsy

      Once again, thanks Wilda, for a profound and always-relevant post. Not anything I can add to that except…I’m glad you’re here. Thanks.

      • WildaBeast

        To everyone who responded: thank you. You guys bring tears to my eyes, you really do. *hugs everyone* God I love this place!

    • Buttons72

      Try not to apologize for your “text walls”. I think I can say, in my short time here, that your words enrich many of us – me, for certain. Rock on, gf.

  • richelieu jr

    Amazing coincidence; I am reading a book about William S. Burroughs and his involvement with the ‘Weird Cult’ as he called it, and how he was much more involved in Scientology (over a decade, going clear, etc…) than is generally recognized, and how biographers have tended to ignore this fact (and why). It is fascinating and I really recommend it…

    However, I just read perhaps 5 minutes before seeing Tony’s post that Hubbard put out a memorandum banning scilons from seeing 2001 saying it was ‘unecessarily restimulative’….

    I guess they can look at production photos though, huh?

    • Captain Howdy

      I was reading an article yesterday from a Scottish news source that talked about Burroughs going to Scotland to do OT levels and I gather it was based in large part on the book you’re reading.

      Apparently some Scottish writer named Hugh MacDiarmid denounced Burroughs at a writers symposium as “all heroin and homosexuality”…HAH!

      http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/books/burroughs-attended-edinburgh-scientology-course-1-3333625

      • Panopea Abrupta

        MacDiarmid was a genius.
        Now, there’s a man that could write.

        Burroughs was no slouch though – after the delights of $cientology, he did sail for the safer harbour of heroin.

        • Captain Howdy

          Burroughs was a dope fiend long before Hubbard darkened his door.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Burroughs was possibly born with a needle and a spoon in his baby trousseau.

            • He had a trust fund that provided income for a long time, his grandfathers’ invention of the Burroughs Registering Accountant, what we would call an adding machine was the basis of the family fortune.

              One of the stories about it is that a salesman for the company would haul one in a wheelbarrow from saloon to saloon, making bets of whiskey shots that the machine could add numbers faster than a man with pencil and paper could.

        • GalacticGreg

          f.m.i. (m=my) “Christopher Murray Grieve, known by his pen name Hugh MacDiarmid
          was a Scottish poet. He was instrumental in creating a Scottish version of modernism and was a leading light in the Scottish Renaissance of the 20th century.”

          • Captain Howdy

            And from what i read he also thought it would have been great if the Nazis had invaded England because this would have given Scotland it’s independence.

            • GalacticGreg

              Fuck- an uber nationalist. Oh well . . .

      • Betsy

        That’s putting it mildly…also loved brandishing firearms, with the famous result we all know…even Elron might have drawn back from the “Celebrity PR” Burroughs was likely to create.

  • Pierrot

    RED Xers do not forget to visit us any time, there are many new ads to click today.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-61#post-2432812

    • Pierrot

      Get HELP, get OUT, Call 1-866-XSEAORG
      Credit to Get Chutney Love

      • Barbara Angel

        Love it, absolutely Love it. A ***BIG THANK YOU*** to “Get Chutney Love” for such a great poster. The talented art work is definitely T-Shirt quality. Imagine 50 people standing *silently* outside a Co$ building each wearing a T-Shirt like this. Enough said….

        • Betsy

          I was thinking the same thing! If just one person’s eyes rested for a moment on the part about Freeloader Debt…

        • The credit for the original graphic in the box goes to whoever did the design for Pearl Jam. Thanks for the compliment.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Done, schedule as we agreed last night?

      • Pierrot

        Yes, I think it is good, and let us try it.
        You got the baton

    • Barbara Angel

      Don’t worry Flagged my little fingers off today as per usual. Flagging is the ***New*** Must Have. Flagging provides a certain amount of glee, every RED X (hopefully) symbolises the saving of another Victim.

    • Toni m

      Done. B&P. Canada and Ireland too.

  • sugarplumfairy

    And if she calls you, Tony, as long as you’re talking, tell her she should take her own advice about psychiatry instead of repeating by rote what co$ has fed her..

  • HeatherGraceful

    It is said that recovering a sense of who they were before Scientology is really helpful for a person in bringing them back to reality.

    I wish Vivian well.

  • Seannie5

    She’s rather deluded…

  • Sid_Snakey

    That photo of her on her Dad’s lap at “Abbots Mead”…

    • NOLAGirl

      That made my heart hurt.

      • Just Dee

        Mine to

    • Observer

      That’s what I find so heartbreaking. I’d have given anything for a father (and mother, for that matter) who loved me, and treated me like they loved me rather than as if they hated me. How could Vivian throw that away? Did she not realize what a gift a loving father is? This pic makes me horribly sad for Stanley and even more furious with Scientology. How dare they rip loving families apart! How dare they!

      And Vivian, as much as I hope you wake up, get out, and restore your relationship with your surviving family, you have to live with the knowledge of what you did to your father. He would forgive you if he were here, but he isn’t, and your disconnection can never be undone. Don’t compound it by staying disconnected from the rest of your family.

      • chukicita

        *Mama hug to Observer*

      • Toni m

        I did not have the love of a father and I missed that but my mom give me enough love and care for the both of them. I love her so much. Vivian was so stupid when she let scientology made this separation between her and her loving father. When she wake up it will very sad for her to see what she lost………and all this lost for a piece of blue sky.

      • IBBy

        *sits next to you with extra wine* you and me both Obs. Although mine was just my dad. I’m exceedingly blessed to be close to my mom. Disagreements aside, I dont know if I’d still be alive if not for my mom. Of all the things Scientology that I detest, disconnection is the biggest thorn in my side. I cringe at the idea of families turning on eachother, children filing KRs on their parents. Its so paralell to the hitlerjugend and so heartbreaking 🙁

      • joan nieman

        Hugs OBS. You made my eyes burn.

  • Seannie5
    • Snuzey

      Was she referring to someone in particular though?!

      • Captain Howdy

        If she’s hooked up with Jones she’s probably referring to Obama.

        • Snuzey

          That would be a damn shame! Interesting though that she could apply that to one leader and not another…..

          • Jimmy3

            Alex Jones has proven beyond any doubt that *every* leader and/or politician is a Globalist, with the notable exception of Rand Paul.

    • Mark

      I really hope she’s having doubts about a certain dwarfish psychopath, and that’s a carefully coded message from inside the bubble…

      • Narapoid

        Wow, could you imagine the scio crime exposure film she could make if she broke her trance…

        In her father’s style as a tribute him?

    • Narapoid

      Thank you for sharing this Seannie.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Seems like this Kubrick daughter doesn’t read enough wider good criticism of the psych industry to see that Scientology’s CCHR front group criticism is over the top fanatical.

    The psych industry is going more in the direction of neurology, and in time, that trend will will overtake through advancements, even more of the old abusive practices of psychiatry, and leave Scientologists beating a dead horse, as one of Hubbard’s long wrong ago tactics to deflect off the fact that Hubbard offers high volume exorcism of dead space alien souls, Scientology’s “upper level” confidential religious crank therapy/exorcism, as the solution instead of mankinds’ pharma, psychiatry and neurology techniques.

    Scientology will never be taught in Universities, whereas the other subjects, which are at least peer reviewed and media thoroughly exposed and investigated, will!

    Daughter Kubrick is still somehow trapped in the convenient life of an overwhelmed and undereducated Scientologist (and anti psych supportive of CCHR, a cause that is out of step with the smarter criticism and evolving of these fields).

    • Barbara Angel

      Strange tho’, both LRH and Mustravage were/are both in URGENT need of psychiatric help, so the totalitarian denial of the help that Psyches provide speaks volumes about their DENIAL of their own mental health issues. One day men in white coats might take Mustravage away in a straitjacket, well at least that is what SHOULD have happened to LRH. Instead he closeted himself (hid) away and drugged himself into oblivion. Can anyone imagine the diagnosis a psychiatrist would give those two? Now that would be…worth reading.

      • Betsy

        Oooh, please, in my lifetime! I can’t tell much difference between DM and other psychotics who HAVE been incarcerated. I guess the main diff. is that most psychotics don’t get to stand up in front of a flashy wall of 70s-style glitz, go to a mini-podium while robots cheer endlessly, and then eat up needed oxygen talking about how brilliant and essential they are.

    • ze moo

      While there is much to be improved in mental health, what real advances or even good criticisms has the clampire generated? The CCHR is such a joke, they only copied or claimed the work of Szasz and others. While the structural approach to psychiatric care is coming, it is going to be a long wait. The DSM is going to be rule for some time to come. Insurance companies {the few that pay for psychiatric care) will requiring those diagnoses codes for some time.

      The late 1940’s was something of a psychiatric watershed moment for the public. Newspaper stories about botched psych care for WW2 vets were very common. Lroon took advantage of the times by marketing his fix for all problems, mental and medical. By the late 50’s psychiatry really started to change. Slowly ‘deinstitutionalization’ began. Those who could function in the community did. Others just ended up in jail.

      Believing in a 10 thousand year old backache and that holding tin cans will cure it, is the definition of delusion. Unless Viv is determined by psychiatric professionals to be a danger to herself or others, nothing can be done about it. The legal system won’t let anyone interfere. I wonder how much Viv has ‘donated’ to the IAS in the last 5 years?

      I wonder how she’ll feel when she runs out of money and clampire doesn’t want to know her anymore?

      • GalacticGreg

        Kubrick’s kid running out of money… don’t think so; otherwise love the post.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I do not know if she got anything when her father died.
          My parents left everything to each other, and the children only inherited after both parents died.
          She may have a trust she lives off of.

          • GalacticGreg

            Yes, or whatever – point being she will not run out of money. Wealthy people can afford to dump $400,000 into Hubbardworld and just kind of hiccup and cough.

            • Eclipse-girl

              If she were my daughter and had no contact with me, I would consider making sure she got nothing.
              If I were aware of how the cult sucks everyone dry and didn’t want to cut her off, I would do my best to make sure of some sort of iron clad trust that could not be spent on donations to the cult.

            • Sejanus

              Exactly….cutting off ties works both ways.
              You cant turn a back on family but then expect a payday when the last heart beat is given

            • Betsy

              And it would be awful to leave money to someone with the near-certainty that it would all go to something as harmful as CO$.

            • Buttons72

              You can set those up, but it’s expensive and difficult. Since she flipped a bunk shortly before he died, I doubt Mr. Kubrick did that.

            • Eclipse-girl

              OK, my timing could be off, but I thought Eyes Wide Shut was done as a reaction to Vivian being sucked into scientology.

              Stanley Kubrick had a few years to set this up, or he could have left everything to his last wife. She has had the time to set up such a trust.

            • Buttons72

              Actually, E-g, it’s more likely my timing is off. I thought he died about a year after Vivian got sucked in. I surely HOPE they set up a trust proof against Co$ ‘donations’. I think I OD’ed on Theraflu. You’re probably right.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I just want the individuals involved to be protected.

              You and I know the cult would bleed Vivian dry and then toss her to the curb.

            • Buttons72

              I’ll bet they’ve gotten more than that out of her.

            • GalacticGreg

              prolly. still, the wealth over the career span of her dad that piled up was huge. He was one of the few film artists who could command extraordinary participation in the money generated by the products he produced. If he handled her the way he might have, she’s not going to hurt for $ ever – and could’ve spotted a ton of moolah and isn’t hurting any.

      • Betsy

        I’m always struck by the way the CO$ talks about “the mental health industry” as though it is one evil thing with a single intention. As we know, parts of it have much to be ashamed of; but it is not a monolithic organization. Ever since Jung and Freud fought, it has separated into “schools”–some of them good, some of them bad. The CO$ view of it, that “they” have been an evil effort for all those billions of years that Elron has been around to monitor them…bullshit. As many of us can testify, there are therapists and therapies that have done enormous good. And the same goes for pschoactive medications. I’m sure no CO$ member would agree, but the world might have been better off if Elron had been made to take something to moderate his obvious bi-polar and paranoid tendencies.

    • DMSTCC

      Mental Health Science is evolving day by day and can only get better. $cientology can never evolve under it’s “scriptures” no matter how many semi colons are removed. As Tony, John P and so many others have noted many times that the “scriptures” are stuck in an era that is long gone. LRH is their version of science, authority, management, etc. and they are fucked

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        I slightly disagree on its reform inability, of course it could, potentially, and it has, there are ample Hubbard “administrative” changes over the decades he ran the show.

        All groups evolve, eventually, just not that soon. But the pressure, via the media and writers, and ex members cross corroborating history they’ve first hand lived, eventually will force some reform.

        Two areas, the pricing of donations and even the controversial use of the Guardian’s Office/Office of Special Affairs methods that Hubbard wrote, could all be retired.

        The freezone Indie movement of splinter Scientologists are the pilot reform wing of Scientology.

  • Jack99

    “…while Vivian complained of back pain that she said had been caused 10,000 years ago,”

    Oh, no! Scientology makes a bit more sense to me now! Of course an Advil won’t help for your back pain. It’s there because you didn’t warm up properly before picking up that treasure chest in a previous life! And sure, Xenu arriving on Earth in a space ship, I mean, it’s not impossible…

    Help!

    • Truthiwant

      That’s an example of acute back pain. Anything left untreated for 50,000,000 years or so is called chronic back pain.
      Does that help?

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Heh heh
        Should I see a chiro or will stretching help?

    • Betsy

      Darn! I recently got a new hip and thought my problems were over! Now I realize I have to get new hips for 100,000 Body Thetans also…

  • Interested

    I’ve been lurking only for ages as I’ve been so busy setting up this business ( at retirement age ! I must be nuts) anyway broke my silence to ask a question.
    Do you think our little bully is pulling out all the stops? I mean, although VIvian is not the BIG celeb, her dad was. Do you think these sudden appearance of photos is to say ” look at who we have as well! ”
    Is that me being cynical?
    Hi to all.

    • cdub

      Hi back. At my retirement age instead I got a CDL license. Yes it’s nuts!

      • Interested

        Sorry to sound dumb, but what is a cld license?

        • cdub

          commercial drivers license required in every US state to drive large trucks and large buses.

          • Interested

            Cool. A man after my own heart. And do you drive one of those monsters? How the hell do you reverse.? I can’t bloody reverse my small car.. 🙁

    • woodrose

      Hi Interested, welcome

      Interesting idea about DM urging her to send the tweets, you could be right.

      When I saw them, it made me think that Vivian is wanting to make money in some way, and needs to get some PR and get back into the public eye. Scilons are always looking for the next money making scheme, they’ve got big bills to pay.

      It’s impossible to be too cynical when discussing the scilons.

  • Miss Tia

    just a few tweets this AM cuz the contractor is coming back to get dehumidifier and check to ensure tarp is secure and not leaking. Plus I am working on a sample craft. Also, we have a weather warning for SNOW. Past two days I’ve been out in shorts bare legged, now we’re expecting 3-6″ of snow with possible lake effect snow on top of that! Yesterday it was 63 and tomorrow the high is to be 17!

    And…..I wanna work on L. Ron haiku for his birthday tomorrow! I’ll dub it my ‘haiku birthday game’ 😉

    Hides behind ‘free speech’
    While trying to deny it
    To those who speak truth
    @scientology #haiku #truth #freespeech

    [this is basically by Zaphed Beeblebrox, I tweaked it to make it 575]
    Shelly is banished
    niblet bangs secretary
    She’ll be banished next
    @scientology #haiku #WhereIsShelly #RunLouRun #Adultery #Out2D

    Speaking nonsense, DONE!
    Droning on forever, DONE!
    niblet is what’s DONE!
    @scientology #haiku #done #blahblahblah #STFU

    Makeup like a corpse
    Caked on to look more life like
    niblet takes the stage
    @scientology #haiku #dude #SeeADoctor

    [inspired by kemist who used the trojan horse analogy to describe $cientology]
    Like a Trojan horse
    $ci church will infect your brain
    And the virus spreads
    @scientology #haiku #trojan #virus #infected

    • ze moo

      It’s snowing or icing from Maine to Chicago, 15 inches expected in my area. Everything seems to be shut down from Albany NY to Cleveland OH. When the churches and Indians close down Bingo, you know its bad.

      • Miss Tia

        It JUST started to sleet/snow—more sleet than snow! It’ll turn to snow soon though. I couldn’t believe it when I went to a Cleveland news page and saw dozens of schools had closed preemptively for the day! And yes, when Bingo gets shut down, things are BAD!

        • Captain Howdy

          When they cancel bingo you know it’s time to head to the supermarket to stock up on supplies..where you will be trapped and eventually start your own cult.

          • Miss Tia

            I bet people are packing the stores right now!! It just continuously flummoxes me how/why people panic shop around here (NE Ohio) because we are never snowed in for days or have to resort to cannibalism. It’s almost as if no one has any food in their house—that might be true? A few weeks ago they were calling for 4-16″ of snow (we ended up with just 2″) and people were buying CASES of water, bread, milk, etc.

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s all part of a vast and far reaching conspiracy by Monsantology.

              http://listverse.com/2013/02/21/10-evil-corporations-you-buy-from-everyday/

            • Miss Tia

              I never thought of blaming them!! That’s a good conspiracy though, they certainly profit from it!!

            • GalacticGreg

              Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Can’t get started on the corporate behemoths with no collective conscience corporately. Their sh1t dwarfs scientology inc. in dirty deeds done against citizens of usa and countries worldwide. Reason being: “In 2002, Monsanto was convicted of dumping tens of thousands of pounds of PCBs into the waterways of
              Anniston, Alabama, before lying about it for years. This led to the highest concentrations of the toxic pollutant ever recorded in history. Monsanto’s view on the situation was, “We can’t afford to lose a dollar of profit” (that’s a real quote).

            • Eclipse-girl

              I thought it was due to HAARP

            • Captain Howdy

              At first glance I read it as AARP.

            • Observer

              And toilet paper! Don’t forget the toilet paper!

            • ze moo

              While many TV weather reports seem to be of ‘the sky is falling’ type, the hype for this storm has been a bit over the top. However, it has just shifted from rain to snow at my location and with the temp dropping fast, ice on the roads is going to be a problem. With all the towns out of road salt, it is going to be fun driving for the next day or so. So I hunker down in the bunker and stay warm. Where’s my Guinness?

            • Missionary Kid

              I went to Weather Underground http://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:44101.1.99999 and the Cleveland area doesn’t look like it’s that bad, although the temperatures that are right around freezing are gonna make icy streets a common thing, particularly at night.

              Stay safe & warm.

            • Betsy

              Hate to tell you but it’s sunny and warm where I am. Gonna spend the day gardening.

            • Missionary Kid

              I live in the desert, Coachella Valley, and it’s nearly always sunny and warm. It actually rained here recently. The first rain this year.

              That was for Miss Tia. I love Weather Underground. I can check the weather anywhere in the U.S., and possibly the world with it.

            • Betsy

              That’s good, and I didn’t know about Weather Underground. Although it’s warm and sunny where I am we are actually desperate for rain or snow. (Our drinking water is from snowmelt.) Sounds like you might need some too…maybe we could get Bunkerites to send small packages (via Fed Ex) of snow to us?

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Got some choolate,vanilla,maple syrup and snow in the freezer – tempt ya ?

            • Betsy

              I’m saddling up the burro…make sure you’ve got some hay! “Tempt” is an understatement!

            • Missionary Kid

              We get a lot of water off of the mountains that are to our west that replenishes the

              underground aquifer here. We also have water rights that we use to recharge the aquifer. We’ll probably go into the water saving mode later, to help out the rest of California.

            • It’s suppose to get up to 80 here by the weekend, which is mighty warm for a March around here in the southern San Joaquin Valley.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s nearly always hotter and drier here than in the San Joaquin Valley. It was in the 80s last week, and in just a few days, it’s supposed to be up into the 90s by the end of next week, and the snowbirds will start to leave.

              Coahella and Stagecoach can’t be far off.

            • Checking last yrs temps, there was a peak of 88 on 3/30/13, so we were approaching temps like what you have. Right now it’s cloudy and overcast, but not too cool for barbeque, because this is California. Having some carne asade and fish wrapped in foil over the charcoal today.

              Looks like a little snow flurry over a bit of the Sierras today. We can use it, but it’s like a drop in a bucket.

            • Missionary Kid

              We’re too far south. We didn’t even get snow in the local mountains.

              I’ll be up for the virtual food. Sounds delicious.

            • Miss Tia

              the wind just picked up, there’s about 1/2″ of slush out there—we had some sleet, snow, then some misting rain….now wow, the wind….our warning has been canceled, just an advisory now with possible 3-5″ of snow—which i can’t see happening…..

            • Missionary Kid

              If you go to that site and look at the radar and get it to go into a loop, so it shows where the precipitation is moving, you’ll see that while the wind is moving from the north on the ground, the storm is moving to the east. You’re just about in the middle of the heaviest precipitation right now. Radar: http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=41.49306870&lon=-81.66831970&zoom=8&pin=Cleveland%2c%20OH&rad=1&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=0 Remove the weather stations (which show the direction that the wind is coming from on the ground) by clicking on the “Weather Stations” box on the pull-down menu on the right. To get the movement of the precipitation, click on the blue box in the lower left hand corner, and it’ll show you how the precipitation is moving with a loop. (I used the Wundermap radar).

              If you click on the individual weather reporting stations, you can pick one close to where you live. I hope that isn’t TMI. I think that the precipitation will probably be over in a matter of hours.

            • Miss Tia

              I always look on accuweather.com Right now it’s a virtual white out—it wasn’t snowing when I wrote the previous comment, now it is. Heavy snow too!! The snow is blowing in a straight flat line from the north, then the wind stops for a second and it falls normally down. Just let the dogs out for a minute and they came in coated in snow! Oh no, not TMI! Heck, my home addy is pretty public! 🙂

              Glad they got the dehumidifier a couple hours a go! Unfortunately the tarp is leaking into the pantry—a single drip now. But there’s nothing they can do. Can’t get on roof with the snow/sleet/etc and they’ll be back Friday or Monday to check the tarp/retarp it to stop further leaks. Roof can’t be replaced til May due to the weather having to be in the 60s with no freezing at night, since it’s a flat roof and the material that is used is temperature dependent. The pantry chronicles……

            • Missionary Kid

              IMO, Accuweather isn’t as accurate as Weather Underground, because it has spot forecasts that are much more specific than Accuweather.

              I bailed on Accuweather a long time ago. Yes, it does have radar, but the number of reporting stations it uses is far smaller, by orders of magnitude. I happened to meet a guy who retired from being a weather forecaster for a newspaper and radio station in Northern California just yesterday, and Weather Underground is now his go-to source for accurate information.

              The only thing that I miss on that site is area weather maps, but I can pick those up from NOAA and other sites.

            • Miss Tia

              I’m big on radar! Their warnings are the same as they come from the same national weather service too. Pretty much most of the weather places are the same when you come right down to it. I’ll watch radar and look at maps more than reading forecasts!

            • Missionary Kid

              What I like about the Weather Underground radar is it’s accuracy, and the detailed map overlay that it has when you use the WunderMap option. That points out towns where the Wx is happening.

    • D.Y.G.

      Welcome to Ohio weather! I cannot tolerate these extreme temperature changes. I’m sick. Again.

    • K2P2

      Miss Tia, I’m enjoying your haiku so much. They are all fabulous.
      Take heed. . .
      Snow heading your way
      from Northwest Ohio land
      dense, hard to shovel!

      • Jimmy3

        Pro tip for shoveling snow: wait for it to melt and then use a squeegee.

  • Verve

    Viv should have stayed with the chimp and the dog- much better company than the $ci leeches. The monkey may throw poo, the dog may pee on the rug, but at least they don’t destroy your entire life & family.

  • HCO Chief

    I wouldn’t really say Tom was out of Scientology in 1996. I was in the Sea Org at Saint hill back then and Tom sent us the film reel of Jerry Maguire for all the staff and public to have a private screening, months before it came out in cinemas in the UK. It was apparently a thank you for some good service that Nicole had received at Saint Hill.

    We screened the movie in the Great Hall, and all the staff actually got to sit in front of the public.

    • Tony Ortega

      I’m sure there was some connection. But what Rathbun and others have said was that by the mid-1990s Cruise and Kidman weren’t getting services and seemed to be avoiding Miscavige, which freaked out DM. So as soon as Kidman was out of the picture, he made Rathbun’s job one to get Cruise back in the fold.

      • media_lush

        I remember reading an article at the time, Sunday Times Magazine I think, where it was implied that it was Cruise pursuing Kubrick big time – the implication being he was Oscar searching and thought a director of Kubricks stature would give him a good chance. This was pre-internet and a quick search didn’t show up anything.

        • Captain Howdy

          Kubrick was also pursuing financial success when he returned from a 5 year hiatus after the financial flop that was Barry Lyndon (his last great movie IMO). His selection of The Shining shocked everyone. He said he hated the book, hated the horror genre, but he knew it was a popular book, so he had a guaranteed audience. I think this type of thinking applied to him making a Vietnam movie and picking the world’s most famous couple for EWS also.

          • Jimmy3

            No wonder Stephen King hated the movie and insisted it be re-made as a POS.

            • Captain Howdy

              So “Guaranteed POS” was in the contract?
              …..

            • Jimmy3

              Yes, it was in the contract. “All of this needs to be in writing or I sign nothing: It has to star the unfunny guy from Wings, it needs to be a major POS, and I never want to see it in a theater. Made-for-TV is the future.”

      • An Theta

        It has likely been mentioned here at some point, but those who don’t already know may be intrigued by the on-screen appearance of scientologist Michael Doven in EWS. He was Tom’s assistant /handler and allegedly DM’s spy (he’s the guy in the middle).

  • Silence of the Clams

    “In Memory of my Dad, who I loved with all my heart and soul”

    well, at least her heart and soul have some redeeming qualities, because her ‘mind’ is batshit crazy.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Scientology: What are your crimes?

    • Observer

      It may be quicker to list what aren’t their crimes. I’m having trouble coming up with any.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        revised version, thank you:

        Scientology: what aren’t your crimes ?

      • Mooser

        I’ve got one! Scientology seems to be somewhat immune to gun-play. If people can shoot each other over dirty looks, seems to make a lot more sense to shoot at the guy who took your money. Who knows, maybe small targets are hard to hit. Aim for the skull, and the bullet passes harmlessly through the pompadour!
        They also have a very laudatory habit of not personalizing what is done to them. Me, I remember every face, of every man who put me here.
        Also, I want to give a shout-out to the kids and teens in the OSA, who seem to be very good at not becoming firebugs. All that paper! And wouldn’t it be cool to see the OTs and “clears” put the fire out? Show ’em that life is serious! But no, they won’t do that, and I honor them for it.

      • Betsy

        Oh, that’s easy. Um, wait. It was right on the tip of my tongue. I’m sure there’s at least one big thing. They don’t kick old people with cancer out in the street? Oh wait…they DO do that. OK, scratch the list.

        • joan nieman

          Yes Betsy.They do. All respect, caring and love are lost in Scientology. What a disaster, to say the least.

          • Betsy

            You may also have this feeling: so much of what happens in the world is far beyond my ability to help…but in this one situation, where so much suffering is generated, there is the possibility of participating in bringing the whole thing down and putting the Puny Psychopath away. That prospect makes me feel much less helpless…

        • Buttons72

          Jaywalking?

  • Mark

    Even the most tyrannical cult-leaders suffer from sticky relays sometimes (refresh):

    • Captain Howdy

      Awesome, my fav so far.

    • RMycroft

      I understand that they’re down to just the one in the center these days [Freshie]

      • Barbara Evans

        The Clearwater center is live and swarming still .
        i lived there for a number of yrs even before i knew what it was .
        they all wear stripped down military uniforms and not a dark face amongst
        them .
        i can tell you everything in Clearwater is owned by them and they gave me the heebeejeebees
        creepy bunch for sure .
        the public isn’t allowed to roam about the center the place is a converted hotel on
        get this … Fort Harrison none of em spoke english and none ever spoke to me
        which suited me just fine

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    It’s snowing from Maine to Chicago.
    Get those fingers clicking and drop a blizzard of red X’s on the $cilon ads.
    Joey Jackass in Boston is in real need of your tender care.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-61#post-2432812

    Ty Mark

    • Toni m

      I just did all 10min ago. I’ll back later to look for more blues. Good job you are doing.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        U 2 🙂

    • GalacticGreg

      Here’s logo @ 100 x 100 pixels. For an Anvi for anyone’s handle.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Nice, we are building up quite the collection.
        Maybe the $cilon art gallery in London would be interested in a retrospective when the “Church” crashes?

    • Graham

      Done. Good luck with the snow. Here in England it’s actually a sunny spring day. An amazing contrast to the constant rain and flooding of the last few months.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Then thank you for shining the clear spring light on the dark corners of Craigslist.
        Spring is so beautiful in England, my favourite season there.

  • ze moo

    “Yarra Ranges Councillors in Australia, unanimously voted to reject the controversial Scientology’s drug rehab, Narconon application that would allow them to shift from East Warburton to Green Gables in La La Ave, Warburton.”

    “Councillors also found that: Narconon are not running an education program – they are running an unaccredited drug and alcohol rehab centre.”

    Sometimes the good guys win.

    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=11632

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Awesome.

    • DamOTclese2

      Strange, I did not hear about this on NarCONon’s Twitter account. Huh. Wonder why they didn’t mention it. 🙂

      • Scream Nevermore

        I asked them for a comment, but i think they’re ignoring me…

    • Betsy

      Oh, Moo! Now I can start my day with some kind of optimism!

    • Barbara Angel

      Yep did you see the program A Current Affairs posted about that tonight 13 March 7pm Melbourne time? Here is the link only runs for 11 minutes or so, but long enough to make Co$ look stupid especially the woman yelling at an Ash Tray & complete with an LRH cameo.
      http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8813809/scientologys-plan-to-expand-into-suburbs

  • Sir_Real

    Vivian, disavow the cult and re-connect with your family – they will welcome you back with open, loving arms. Utilize your talents in more meaningful ways rather than waste them serving a criminal organization that is just using you.

    • Mooser

      Oh, I think Vivian has had a cognition! Her Dad is a resource she can mine for Scientology money. But she can’t just, after what has happened, just start cashing in. Gonna have to reverse this virtual disconnection s-l-ow-l-y lest anybody notice. So people who don’t know get the awwww’s before they get the WTF.

      • Mooser

        Wow, am I dumb! A trained chimp, and a gorgeous dog? How can anybody disagree with that? And there’s absolutely nothing manipulative about that “purity ball” last photo, considering events. Her and Stanley were pals til the end. Should’a thought before I spoke.

        • Mooser

          Thanks, pal, whoever you are! You’ll never know how much I needed that up-vote.
          You’ll never know how much I really care…. Listen! Do you want to know a secret?

      • 1subgenius

        Sadly, I think you are right.

  • Jimmy3

    But how did the Globalists edit the chemtrails out of the FMJ photos? They must have gotten to her.

    • Artoo45

      Sooper Lizzerd Shoop skillz.

    • 1subgenius

      I am amused, but disturbed, by the degree of delusional belief these days.
      I had thought that stupid people were our greatest threat, but then I saw a quote from Steven Hawking (maybe here):
      “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
      This is highly relevant to the issue at hand (Scientology).
      Scientology. We will convince you that you know something.

      • DamOTclese2

        Um, 1subgen, there are literally people on the Internet that take photographs of clouds and sell them to dimwitted rubes under the guise that said clouds are disguised flying saucers from outer space, I dung you not.

        And the HHO “run your car on water” frauds still manage to find willing customers to believe obvious frauds. We are awash in stupid. In face I would hazard to say that thanks to lead in our environment, The Stupid outnumbers us.

    • DamOTclese2

      Hell yeah, Obama’s Chemtrails! CHEMTRAILS! are sneaky, they are able to hide above clouds, for example, and disguise themselves as jet aircraft contrails. Sneaky! Save us, Ron Paul! SAVE US!

  • DamOTclese2

    Speaking of “big pharma” and profoundly disturbed women, Australia Rejected NarCONon Frauds is in the news.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Trending, trending ..
      Shout out to David Love

  • Mooser

    “As former Scientology official Marty Rathbun has pointed out, when Tom
    and Nicole split up at the end of 2000, it became his job to bring Tom
    back into the fold, and he did such a good job of it, by 2004 Tom Cruise
    was the most gung-ho celebrity in the church.”

    Just, wow! He’s not a smart man, is he?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Contrary to what has been suggested, in fact inversely to what has been suggested by El Wretch, Marty’s IQ seems to be going up virtually daily SINCE he left the “Church.”

      • Zaphod Beeblebrox

        I think he’s on about Tom…

        • Panopea Abrupta

          In which case, we can see the sad decline from dumb …

          • Mooser

            Tom Cruise? May he live forever!

      • Mooser

        “Marty’s IQ seems to be going up virtually daily SINCE he left the “Church.”

        May he live a long, long life! He’ll need it.

        • 1subgenius

          “May he live a long, long life! He’ll need it.”
          Am I glad I happened upon that.
          Could easily be turned into a toast/curse.
          “May you live a long, long life! You’ll need it.”
          I don’t really understand it, but it seems ominous.
          And with the right timing, and delivery, a sure-fire killer.
          Thanks for that, I am stealing it.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            The old Eastern European Jewish curse:

            May you have untold wealth
            And may it not be enough to pay your doctors.

            • 1subgenius

              I was almost going to quote that.
              (Someone’s readin’ my mind……more tinfoil)
              My version is “May you inherit a boatload of gold…”.

            • Mooser

              Just remember, 1sub genius, the portions are too small, and the food tastes like poison, too!

            • 1subgenius

              I love that one. Takes a while to sink in.
              Like Gordie Howe’s answer to why he always wore a cup, but not a helmet.
              “I figured I could always get someone to do my thinking for me.”

            • Mooser

              “Zolst zein vi a lomp-am tug sollst di hangen, in der
              nacht sollst di brennen”

              You should be like a lamp, you should hang during
              the day and burn during the night!

          • Mooser

            “The possibilities are endless.”

            Yes, endless, but most of them are right here

            • 1subgenius

              And thanks for that.

          • Mooser

            “Am I glad I happened upon that.”

            And notice, 1subgenius, there’s not an “s” in the entire thing. If you’ve got a lisp like mine, insults like “You Thuck” or “Go thuck yourthelf” don’t have a lot of impact. Of course, my stutter doesn’t help, either.

        • 1subgenius

          Oh hell, now I’m obsessed with new punchlines for that.
          “May you live a long, long life……(wait for it…..the length of the pause is critical)…
          wracked with pain.”
          The possibilities are endless.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Your avatar wrote the song…

            • Mooser

              Well, as you may remember, Hank had a bad case of “The Lovesick Blues”

  • Greetings from France.

    Here’s an interesting video about Eyes Wide Shut.

    )

    • Here’s the link if video doesn’t display.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WAjdhWOMGI

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Fascinant, merci.

      • media_lush

        Blocked in the UK on copyright grounds…. shame as Kubrick and the Illuminati is quite an intriguing title

        • Mooser

          Kubrick was involved with the Illumanti? No wonder his movies were so well lit. There was a man who knew how to Vorkipich!

          • Captain Howdy

            In Barry Lyndon he used all natural lighting.

            • Mooser

              See what I mean? The last person who could make natural lighting co-operate with his schedule was Moses! (Exodus 17:12)

      • GalacticGreg

        That link dint play for moi. So I went on the utube and watched it there. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WAjdhWOMGI

        • GalacticGreg

          I love this from the video:

          “Kubrick made a film (Eyes Wide Shut) about his lead actor (Tomm Cruize) to portray his daughter’s (Viv) situation and the plight of those abused by sects (Cults).”

          • media_lush

            this link works….. watched the whole thing and I have to say they’re stretching incredulity quite a bit…. but did enjoy the fact they managed to show Kidman’s arse at least half a dozen times (definitely some conspiracy going on there, ed)

        • Baby

          Watched the entire movie.. I feel really stupid. I mean I just thought well..

          They are in a toy store when I watched the movie when it first came out. Who knew?

      • Natalia 2.0

        Merci

      • Mark

        Cette vidéo montre une générosité de l’hypothèse qui dépasse la réalité dans une mesure qui est extraordinaire, même pour un «intellectuel» Français! 🙂

        • Captain Howdy

          Agreed!…and you owe me a coke for making me use bing translator.

          • Mark

            I’d prefer to owe you a café complet (with choice of cognac, armagnac, or poire william) if it’s caffeine you’re after 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              Got any Jameson?

            • Mark

              ‘Course…

        • Natalia 2.0

          I agree with you Mark if you just said something along the lines of “It’s a bit silly.”

          • Mark

            “This video shows a generosity of hypothesis which exceeds the actual facts to an extent which is extraordinary, even for a French ‘intellectual’!”

        • Truthiwant

          Next, they’ll be calling Dianetics a pyramid scheme…

          • chukicita

            *Now* I understand the volcano symbol. 😀

          • Sejanus

            $cientology. Better than a pyramid scheme.

      • Captain Howdy

        I got as far as the title “Kubrick and the Illuminati” and i laughed out loud and scared the cats.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I adore Bunuel. do not know to get a tilde.

          • Mooser

            I have a friend who is a computer programmer. He tapped the tilde every place he worked.

          • Robert Eckert

            Go to translate.google.com and set the language to Spanish or French if you need accented vowels or German if you need umlauts, type on that language’s keyboard (never mind the translate function) and you can cut and paste. Like: Buñuel

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY for the tip. I would not have considered doing it that way

        • Victoria Pandora

          i am so glad you edited your comment. i was prepared to remind you how ugly closed minds really are.
          i find the video interesting.
          it is obvious kubrick used tonnes of symbology to speak to his audience.
          i wish i could remember which artist, (don maclean?) would never reveal the “meaning”of bye bye american pie, why ruin the colouful discussions he said.

          true art makes you think, and feel. great art runs rampant with speculation. kubrick was a great man.

          and while i am on a ramble anyway, what. kind of idiot daughter disconnects from kubrick? he adored her and was probably one of the most interesting fathers ever.

          sheeesh. i only disconnected from my mother because she beat me every other day, and it was too expensive to continue to discuss her in session.

  • media_lush

    Quick question for a knowledgable ex. We all know scientologists hate the psyches but do they also hate the psychology profession? (I looked up the difference and I think it’s the fact that a psychiatrist also studies medicine and can give prescriptions whilst a psychologist can’t that gets their ire)

    • Ruby

      Yes, they do hate the psychology profession. Part of the cherch’s policy on “illegal” preclears includes someone who has been given treatment “in a public or private institute for the insane, a psychiatric ward or in a hospital, a psychiatrist’s, psychologist’s or other mental practioner’s clinic or office or a mental health center.” (That is a quote from Hubbard’s policy on what is considered an illegal preclear and so is not to be accepted for auditing. Interviews are done to determine the extent of the person’s history and whether or not they will be accepted.)

      • media_lush

        Interesting, the reason I asked is that I went through her twitter friends and found this guy ‘Bryant H. McGill’ who seems to have written for a lot of psychiatry and psychology based magazines ( http://bryantmcgill.com/about/ ). I checked and he isn’t educated in the profession but seems highly regarded…was on the Wall Street Journal front page once. Interesting person for her to follow if she’s a committed scion, I thought.

        • Ruby

          uh-oh…she may have just earned herself a few sec check sessions.

        • Victoria Pandora

          yeah, so many ways to be an “illegal PC” i am completely convinced most of it is based on elron not wanting to be caught stealing the TEK.
          my girlfriend was an illegal pc because she had seen a hypnotherapist. well, that was until they discovered just how very rich her daddy was, lol.

    • Radar-Screen

      Scio’s hate psychiatry because they have been told they should, because they have *adopted the belief that they are the ones trying to stop scio efforts. Because psyches are believed to be the cause of the “dumbing” of America. Most of them make no distinction between the person and the profession.

      I learned this from out Tory Christman story told by Tony O. back in the early 90’s. I was at Raffallos on Hollywood and La Brea. I was disabused from adopting beliefs without questioning them and looking at them from my own view point with my own question and doubts from ME.

    • Mooser

      Good question. I’m not an ex (I’d never join any organization which would accept people like me!) but as far as I read, do Scientologist make any distinction between the two? They just call them all “shrinks” that give out “psych drugs”, don’t they?

    • Victoria Pandora

      yes, they hate them. but the ones that actualy know the technical difference don’t hate the psychologists quite as much, because at least they can’t also drug their patients.

  • Artoo45

    I’m going to swing wide and guess that Ms. Kubrick has issues that go well beyond the Cult. It’s a chicken/egg sort of thing. Did she cut off her family because of the cult or did she embrace the cult because her family wasn’t supportive of her magical-thinking and paranoia? It’s easy to mock her and others who go from one cult to another. But overcoming magical-thinking isn’t easy (believe me, I know of what I speak). Being in a cult like Scientology, where everything is based on manipulation and fabrications, would certainly reinforce a conspiratorial world view. I believe it would make one susceptible to all the logical fallacies that fuel beliefs in chemtrails and nefarious cabals of shadowy others no matter how many facts are presented in opposition. After being in a closed society for so long, one can run with being “open minded” to the point where one’s brains fall out. Without a solid command of critical thinking skills and a broader perspective, it’s hard to resist being seduced by fantasy. It takes time to come to one’s senses from long held indoctrination and abuse.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      When I was an intern I had to work in heavy duty psych units. Not knowing much about it I’d look at how others charted their patients. My favorite phrase was,”spoke in magical and symbolic language.” So it became my catch phrase. Funny,in my six months I noticed that several wanted their lives to be like TV shows;Leave it to beaver,Happy Days was one girl’s obsession. Most of the people who work in these places are indeed,real life nurse Ratched’s. They developed ,”the stare” and seemed devoid of emotion. So sad,I asked to take 5 patients out for a walk when I heard one had not been outside for months. The head nurse shot me down but a Dr. overheard and let me take them. I took them to McDonald’s but had to make sure they had no cafinated beverages. I went to count and one was missing. I had a major heart attack but he was just in the bathroom. Some belonged but some really did not.

  • GalacticGreg

    Vivian Kubrick: “Daughter of Stanley Kubrick Speaks Out” to Alex Jones, at a protest.
    She introduces herself on camera in the interview as a resident of Dallas, Texas.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSnHhZ-zO3A

    • Jimmy3

      Good find.

      • Tony Ortega

        That’s the video I was reporting on November.

        • Jimmy3

          I know, but it was good that he found it all the way at the top of your post and brought it to us down here.

          • joan nieman

            Lol

    • DamOTclese2

      She got her brain fucked in to pudding by Scientology, now she’s having Republicans fuck her brains in to mayonnaise. Wonderful.

    • Sir_Real

      As I told Anonymous, Spokeo shows a residence for a Vivian V. Kubrick in Allen, TX which is a northern suburb of Dallas. Her middle name is Vanessa per Wikipedia. Wonder is she ever shows up at the Dallas Idle Morgue (Las Colinas)?

    • “A group of less than a dozen men.” That’s who Hubbard said ran the world and Scientologists believe it. RJ 67, the same one where claims he was researching OT III and broke his back and lived.

  • Pierrot

    RED X ALERT From Dolly.

    Washington Post 1 hour fresh

    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/cls/4371453962.html

    • Pierrot

      Alert,
      Thank you aegerprimo (I hope, we have so many contributors, I am getting mixed up)

    • Pierrot
      • aquaclara

        Ugh. Trusting the cult in a “Successfully raising children” class listing. There is nothing worse.
        I flagged it. Gotta get this stuff out of here.
        Thanks, Happy Clown and Dolly. ( I can’t bear to see you cry!)

  • Anonymous

    So ask Vivian when she was in Dallas if she visited with David Miscavige’s sister-in-law Sally Harvey Miscavige who has been living in the Dallas suburb of Richardson in the home of a Dallas County judge.

    • Sir_Real

      Spokeo shows a residence in Dallas suburb of Allen for Vivian V. Kubrick.

      • Anonymous

        OMG, you are absolutely right!

    • David Miscavige has a brother?

      • Captain Howdy

        He has a brother from another plant.
        ….

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Yes, he does and a twin sister.

        • I knew about the sister already. Tony has reported on her. She’s a slumlord drug dealer.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            The brother, Ronnie, is out as is his dad.
            Mixed reports – a nicer class of bastard was my take.

          • RMycroft

            I believe that there’s another sister, but not too much has surfaced about her.

      • Observer

        Yes, Jenna’s dad Ronnie

  • aquaclara

    So the eleventy-billion clams can’t cognate where the missing plane is?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Sleeping with the clams, unfortunately.

  • ze moo

    Mike Rinder’s blog has the text of Miscaviges speech at the re-re-opening of the LA complex last week. If PAC graduations are now going to be in the soon to built auditorium, will the almost weekly street closures stop? Are they really making new mission holders? I thought Lroon cut them out the pyramid scam long ago? Where can I get a mission holders franchise? That would go good with my Quiznos sub.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/miscavige-re-re-ribbon-pulling-speech/

    • Mooser

      There’s a new photo of Mike Rinder at his blog.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      I thought I might be able to read this, given how difficult it is to listen to the little prat.
      Ugh!
      Just ugh, I still sort of hear him with his particular version of anguished English.

      • GalacticGreg

        Written by Danny Sherman known for his ‘Shermanspeak’.

        A particular load of sh1t, with $cientology Inc. mbrship pegged at around 15k worldwide, is this:
        “But don’t forget, it’s all in the name of what LRH wrote in his executive directive From Clear To Eternity. Namely, one’s ascent from Clear to the top of the Bridge. Hence, with Central Orgs, particularly ideal orgs, now possessing the capability of relentlessly moving multitudes to Clear and the level of Class V auditor, well, that alone makes it imperative that our Sea Org service
        Orgs – Saint Hills and Advanced Organizations themselves become ideal to accommodate the floods about to cross the threshold to Dukes of the Auditor Elite and Operating Thetan.

    • Jimmy3

      Does anybody have the Miscavige Drinking Game that was posted some time ago? MK did you save it?

      • Missionary Kid

        Words Used by David Mi$cavige for a Drinking Game
        Accordingly
        And so
        And yes, that’s….
        As such
        By way of example
        Hence
        In a nutshell
        In point of fact
        In totality,
        Likewise
        Moreover
        No less than
        Notwithstanding
        Obliterate
        Rather
        Similarly
        Stratospheric
        Therin
        Thus
        Vaporize
        Vis-A-Vis
        Wherein

        • Jimmy3

          Thank you, sir!

          • Missionary Kid

            You’ll get drunk VERY fast listening to one of his screeds if you use more than one word. At least his latest speeches have been short.

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, I’m in a hurry to get hammered, I have a court-ordered meeting in an hour.

  • aquaclara

    So anyone notice that Vivian Kubrick’s twitter page background shows the Tenniel illustrations from Alice in Wonderland? Would that not be a clam reference?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Thought the same thing.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Go ask Alice when she was just small.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Remember ,what the dormouse said Viv,”Feed your head.”

        • Mooser

          Isn’t there a rule about using song-lyrics as comments?

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            At least it wasn’t,”Oh Ruby,don’t take your love to town.” I do wonder what you would take for a 10,000 year old back ache. I bet it would be a morphine drip…

            • Mooser

              Morphine, unfortunately, has very little effect on me, unless two acetyl groups are added to the molecule.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Well you’d just say, really Dr.,turn your watch back about 10,000 years. This drip is annoying at best. What is this eastern Europe.? And i’m sure he’s add the two acetyl groups.

            • Mooser

              Fortunately, life is just one grand, sweet song, and I can transcend dental medication.

  • Missionary Kid

    Slightly off topic, but today’s Blondie comic strip illustrates the made up words/fractured syntax that inhabits Clamland. http://safr.kingfeatures.com/idn/etv/zone/xml/content.php?file=aHR0cDovL3NhZnIua2luZ2ZlYXR1cmVzLmNvbS9CbG9uZGllLzIwMTQvMDMvQmxvbmRpZS4yMDE0MDMxMl85MDAuZ2lm

    • Mooser

      Thanks for reminding me the Blondie is still around. I’m glad to know that.

    • DamOTclese2

      Wow, don’t get enturbulated, Blondie!

  • SandiCorrena

    Gosh how nice she can reacquaint herself with love for her father now when his broken heart and he are no longer here…. stupid b#%€>-sorry that had to come out for me to breathe

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Scientology: F#@king the living and the dead since 1952

      • DamOTclese2

        Even stealing from the people they murder after they drop their bodies off at distant hospitals. 🙁

        • Panopea Abrupta

          El Ron probably emerged screaming into this unfortunate world with the midwife’s wedding ring safely clutched in his greedy little fist.

    • Mooser

      Oh, you know how it is, she finally figured out people weren’t saying “I voted for Regan!”

      • Mooser

        “That serpent’s tooth necklace is stunning, dear, I’ve never seen one like it.”

  • Jimmy3

    Sorry, off-topic, but some people here may get a kick out of this. The Malaysians brought in a shaman to help find the missing plane. His vision: the plane is either still in the air or in the water.
    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/classified-odd/03/12/14/malaysian-witch-doctors-try-find-missing-plane

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      What a great,”shaman” I guess he ruled out it landed on top of trees. Fuckin’ idiot. Of course it’s not still up in the air. They would of picked it up refueling. It’s not like they could have just stopped at the next,Texaco. Sylvia Brown would of said,” It had a heart attack.”

      • DamOTclese2

        I expect that a lot of these third worlders have no idea how airplanes actually work. Cultists rarely seem to know even the basics of science.

    • D.Y.G.

      The witched doctors used two coconuts, a fish hook, and bamboo binoculars.

      Seems legit.

      • DamOTclese2

        It’s better science than Hubbard is selling to the dimbulbs.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        You hold the 2 coconuts and see if the fish-hook moves, right?

    • DamOTclese2

      The fools! Don’t they realize that they have to use Tarot Cards!?

    • Captain Howdy

      Well, at least they didn’t bring in the shamwowman
      ….

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Or the shampoo – probably using the real one instead

      • Tory Christman

        YET…Captain Howdy. Once s/t good happens, trust me they shall “claim” they were in on it.
        Were they? Here’s what I have to say re the IAS and all of $cientology’s BS “Help”:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtVzmFTl5yg&list=UU__gcXYVQlmVocNLZykibUw

        • Tory Christman

          Vivian…or any friends or hers who are NOT “in” $cientology, please help her to start LOOKING at various videos on-line about this fraudulent business pretending to be a “church”. Just as in this “IAS” video—-(click on the link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc1cv3__UTo&feature=player_embedded#!

          It SOUNDS **so** good. “We stood UP. WE took a Stand” No!~ ***WE*** who faced the facts of your organization’s abuses and said “NO MORE” and left…………WE STOOD UP, WE TOOK A STAND. And guess what? As we continue to do so, more and more and more people “in” are waking up and leaving, too.

          Also, ****ALL**** the people around the world, crtiics who were NEVER even “in”, including Tony Ortega and many peeps here posting…these people ARE STANDING UP…TAKING A STAND. Don’t let them take one more DAY away from your family: PLEASE. If you know Vivian, please pass this on to her. And to anyone “in”: It is NOT too late to leave and start your new, great and free…really free life!~ Love to ALL~!!! Tory/Magoo

          • Tory Christman

            PS: “Let’s stand up and show the world what it’s like to be REALLY FREE”. Ok, so I made my video pointing out C of $’s promises are bogus. They have their video *sounding* like they are helping mankind “Don’t stop, until the job is done”. In 64 YEARS and Skillions of Dollars $cientology has YET to make *a* dent in ANYTHING, except WALLETS, CC’s and Checkbooks!

            Really Free? Here’s checkmate: We (Ex-Scientologists, Critics, Anonymous, Indies) ALL can say “Let’s get together and TALK”. They CAN NOT….they are not allowed to talk to ANYONE Crtical of $cientology that they’ve deemed ‘so bad they are suppressive”. BULLSHIT! If you’re “really free”…GIVE ME A GD CALL OR COME OVER!! (818) 588-3044. THAT IS CHECKMATE! Tory/Magoo 🙂

          • Mark

            It may be a catchy tune, but I had to stop watching, having nearly vomited when it came to the ‘Rev’ Allfrauddie’s Morgan Freeman/Nelson Mandela/Martin Luther King wannabe rap. What sententious crap!

            And to those in the video: instead of wasting time on the IAS, if you want to help humanity, go and do some real good with VSO, Amnesty International, Oxfam – anything rather than waste another minute deluding yourself that the money you raise goes anywhere except into David Miscavige’s pockets.

            • Tory Christman

              I know…it’s pathetic when you KNOW what they *really* do and don’t do…but it’s KEY peeps KNOW what their lines of BS are, so when you do talk with them (if you do, or post about them) you can mention their phony bushes and their IAS song about Freedom, etc. These are THEIR lines, and their bushes at events TRYING to stop free speech, (when they rant about Freedom)…. and the question “WHAT HAS SCIENTOLOGY *ACTUALLY DONE” to help “all of mankind” as their IAS song states. These questions *hopefully* help s/one “in” start to THINK again.

          • Mooser

            That’s it for me. May I never return to the Bunker again if I don’t go to the Seattle Org tomorrow, and see what’s what. I’ll give them a piece of my mind, too, if the situation warrants it. I don’t know how much I can spare, without courting syncope.

        • Missionary Kid

          Tory, I had a thought. Here’s a question to ask those still in. “When are you leaving the Co$, like all the others?”

          Of course, if they answer, they will say, “Never.”, but I think it might be a good question because 1) It has the assumption they’re leaving, and 2) it points out that many have left.

          In your opinion, is it a good one?

          • Tory Christman

            I like it, Missionary Kid. Give it a shot, see if it bites…that’s all ya can do 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I remember how effective your question was to the security guard when I was with you, protesting. You asked him if what he was doing was what he’d he’d expected when he signed up. The look on his face said a lot. I don’t know how long the cognition lasted, because the mind control is pretty strong, but it hit the mark.

            • Tory Christman

              Actually what *really* hit the mark for him was when I asked him:

              “I want you tonight to go look in a mirror, stand *exactly* like you are (arms crossed tightly across his chest, legs spread making a physical stand–giving me a super evil look)…and THINK WHATEVER YOU ARE THINKING RIGHT NOW, as you stare at me.

              **Then** I said, I promise you, THIS IS NOT *YOU*. This is NOT what you joined Scientology to become. And I said, I don’t even know you…but I KNOW this is NOT You!

              That’s when he smiled 🙂 So glad you saw all of that, Missionary Kid!

            • I LOVED it when the guy who corralled you across the street in the suit took off running back across the street when you confronted him.

            • Observer

              HA! Who’s got the real confront?

            • Missionary Kid

              That was one of the high points of the evening with you. I’m glad you describe it better.

        • Missionary Kid

          By the way, I thought it was hilarious that they had to have a minder specifically for you all that time. Good work.

          • Tory Christman

            Ya….this picket they *really* did NOT want the peeps to hear any of us. It shows picketing DOES work. It’s slow…but effective. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I have the feeling that they didn’t put any low level minders close to you. They probably didn’t trust any lower level people to be around you. They might start thinking and blow.

            • Tory Christman

              Correct, Missionary Kid. I”ve noticed recently even the guards, who used to come chat with me (“Oh it’s no big deal….It’s just TORY”) …well? Recently they’ve kept them at a distance and ONLY had “OT’s” out to “Handle”. Now, due to this post…count on it, they’ll have the guards back out. I *love* that they read and actually follow some of the Net posts we all make. LOL! Freedom? Think about it, lurkers. IF YOU HAVE TO LURK, YOU ARE NOT FREE. “Oh I choose to”. Really? PROVE IT: CALL ME. 🙂 Gotcha!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m wondering if they sec checked the guard you got the reaction from after you were talking to him and either he ‘fessed up or blew.

              That would be reason enough to assign OTs to you. I’ll bet they get on their walkie talkies and go on red alert when Tory is near. I can envision them having a code name for you. Of course, it wouldn’t be complimentary.

              Tory, you’ve got the POWER of relating to the poor clams as human, and to the Co$, that’s DANGEROUS. Co$ works hard to remove all traces of humanity from the clams, and you come along and remind them to be human.

              Since everything is fake in Co$, giving awards with the term “Humanitarian” in them is the biggest crock of shit they can slather on a clam. You’re the real humanitarian.

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, Missionary Kid! “You’re the real humanitarian.” That’s one of THE nicest things anyone has said to me since I’ve left. I greatly appreciate that (and they HATE it) 🙂 HAHA OSA mops. Happy Wednesday before Thursday at 2:00…more is comin, too 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Wow. I’m glad it hit the mark. I’ve been impressed with your humanitarian approach toward Co$, in spite of all the fair gaming that has gone on against you.

              You’re not out for revenge against the individuals, but against the system they function within. There are individuals who revel in the evil that they do and who have convinced themselves they’re doing right. I hope the legal system brings them to justice.

            • Tory Christman

              How ’bout those phony bushes in C of $’s attempt to STOP FREE SPEECH? ROTFLOL!!! Oh yeah….in their IAS video: “Let’s stand up and show the world what it’s like to be REALLY FREE”. Uh huh.

            • Missionary Kid

              As they all stand up as if in a robotic move.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Well he’d be better at least he’d be ready to soak up an oil slick for the infomercial for disaster PR,like Dawn and the clamm booklet people.” When life gives you lemons,make money,” Makes me fuckin’ sick.

    • And I predict that the world will end…or it won’t.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Conspiracy theory: there are a whole bunch of people out there on the fringes of the internetz

    suffering from a new form of Tourette Syndrome.

    They can’t stop doing the C###K word

    Go get ’em, friends. CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK we’re coming to get ya

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-61#post-2432812

    • Pierrot

      RED X ALERT from Forlease LAS VEGAS

      http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/search/ccc?query=scientolog*|dianeti*|%227545+bermuda%22|%222761+emerson%22|%22702+731+1500%22|%22702+741+3184%22|%22702+896+6892%22

    • aegerprimo
      • done!

        • Panopea Abrupta

          How did the interview go?

          • It went well! Thanks! : ) I think so anyways. Very informal. It is a job position working with children with autism. I am very excited.

            • Missionary Kid

              That must be like working with clams. O.K., that was snark, and I didn’t mean to belittle anyone with autism, but Co$ trains people not to relate to others on a human level. It insulates them from empathy and keeps them in the cult.

              The clams are “lucky” that they don’t have the biological component to overcome that autistic kids do.

              Good luck on the job.

            • Thanks. Yeah I could see that. They are like 3 and 4 years old. Full of life. Its play therapy, so they can learn how to interact and have that social-emotional connection. Always a good end result, and the individual needs are respected.

            • Missionary Kid

              The parallel is that all feelings are turned inward in both situations. There is no real play in Clamland that would pull them out of it, is there?

            • Nope. You are correct. Unfortunately, I think the clams start out as human beings then get disconnected. That is the sad part.

            • Missionary Kid

              Because they started out as humans, that makes Tory Christman’s methods all the more powerful, doesn’t it?

              I wish you the best.

            • yep.
              Thanks a bunch : )

            • Panopea Abrupta

              I’m glad to hear it. 🙂

  • Buttons72

    Another wasted life. Another tragic story that never had to be. Thanks LRH and Dastardly Motherf***er. I’m sick as hell today… I’m going to just red x some stuff and wish you guys a good night.

  • All I can say about this is that if I heard my parents reminiscing about their memories with me, but still claiming loyalty to Scientology, I would be insulted and I would be angry.

    • joan nieman

      Derek, you have a point there.This must have stirred up some emotions in your heart today. You have a life time ahead of you now and I think you are really going to do well.Scrap that, you are already doing well.

  • media_lush

    http://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com/ seems to be posting daily lately…. here we have the lowdown on Elisabeth Moss and other celebs

    • “Leave the cult alone, they leave you alone.” Sounds like something that OSA would say, and it’s also total bullshit.

      • Mooser

        It seems to me like the writing at Scientology Celebrities & Human Rights is getting more down-to-earth and more understandable, at least to me.

        ~

        • Telling people that, “if you leave them alone, they leave you alone.” Is far from down to earth. It’s total BS. They don’t leave you alone. They don’t leave anyone alone.

          • Baby

            Derek.. I find it more understandable too.. Meaning ..Sentence structure and explaining things better.

            There are a couple of posts I just didn’t get.. I was always trying to decipher the meaning..Like were they serious? or playin..

            Today it felt like they had a different writer.

            But yes I think that you quote above is BS .. and we could give you hundreds of examples..

            • Mooser

              That’s what I meant too, Ms. Baby. Sentence structure, explaining things better, a lot less nod-nod, nudge-nudge, does-she-go with celebrity names.
              I do appreciate that blog for helping me understand how the Celebrity Center in Hollywood is a nexxus for all kinds of corruption, some not even directly related to Scientology.

            • GalacticGreg

              They did announce very recently that they were going to have guest writers doing the writing for awhile.

          • Mooser

            Derek, I just meant that I could understand what he is saying. I also found that “if you leave them alone” pretty tendentious, given what everybody knows. He may have meant that some celebs who left are able to achieve a seeming truce with the Cherch.

          • aegerprimo

            They still send me mail after 15+ years of not stepping foot into an org.
            My current mailman and I have a running joke and he will say “…Here is some more cult mail for you…” and we laugh.

            • Missionary Kid

              Good. They’re depleting their coffers. It might also be a source for Sunday Funnies.

              If you get tired of them being sent, weigh them down & send them back. It’ll cost them a shit load of money to pay for the mail, especially if it’s first class.

            • Good idea MK. I will try that too

            • Missionary Kid

              Make sure that they’re gonna have to pay.

            • Mk I Screenshot these comments in response to my Grant Cardone vid I posted. I thought they were funny. Possibly add it to Scientology phrase list?

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, I’ll use them, but I’ll change them slightly. THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY at http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1144801640
              Don’t be a little bitch when you can be a big one should be $cientology’s motto.
              Scientology. Nothing is small about us…except our leader and our minds.

            • aegerprimo

              I send stuff back in the return postage paid envelope(s) with a flyer that says ….

              The WOG world is a beautiful place.
              We will help you.
              Call
              1-866-XSEA-ORG
              We love you!

              I have scanned some things and emailed to Tony, though he has not used anything yet for Sunday Funnies.

            • Missionary Kid

              Someone attached stuff to several letters that weighed a lot and sent it back. They had some other suggestions, but I can’t remember them. I think that somehow they removed their address from them, so that the letters would continue, but I can’t remember the details.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Excellent idea

            • Missionary Kid

              Don’t forget to add the brick.

      • Sir_Real

        Krusty will shoot you if you don’t quit dissing her cult!

        • Sejanus

          Does she look crazy to you….cuz damn she does to me…lol

          • Sir_Real

            Mad as a hatter.

        • GalacticGreg

          well she sure looks ‘at cause’ over — M (atter) E (nergy) S (pace) T (ime), don’t she

  • Zana

    Amazing… that a young woman would throw away that kind of a career. And such a relationship with her father. What in the world would cause her to do that? I’m sure there is more than meets the eye here… however, it is such a waste. I would have done anything to have a father who gave one whit about me (or my brothers) and had literally NO support for the career of my choice. My parents blocked and ridiculed me at every turn. To have it all handed to you on a platter is like a dream. I guess sometimes things are too easy. And then the Co$ steps in and makes dogmeat of your life before you can sort anything out for yourself. whew. Glad I’m free.

    • Missionary Kid

      So am I, and probably all of the other Bunkeroos, glad you’re free.

      • Zana

        Thank you, MK. :-).

  • If you want insight into the conspiratorial side of Scientology and why so many of them sink into the world of Alex Jones type people, here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NKB3oFl2vw

    • Natalia 2.0

      . . .

    • Sejanus

      Mmmmmm 2:47 in and insomnia isss…..fixed.
      He was one terrifying BS artist and hateful creature.
      To elevate him as his followers have done is simply beyond sad.

  • K2P2

    I hope I can articulate this to make sense. Hope it’s not a dumb question.

    I thought it curious that Vivian used the past tense when talking about the love for her father.

    “In Memory of my Dad, who I loved with all my heart and soul…”

    Got me wondering . . . If scientologists think “we” exist on the “whole track”, with or without a body, is she saying that she no longer loves him, or doesn’t acknowledge he has an immortal “thetan”, or maybe, because he didn’t believe in the scientology garbage, that his “thetan” would not be out there for her to ever make contact with after she “drops her body”?

    In Christianity, (though raised in that faith, I long ago left) one must believe in God and the divinity of Jesus in order to go to heaven and forever live in eternity with family and friends, who also must be believers. I think Mormons have the same doctrine.

    So, how does this work in Scientology? Do they expect to spend eternity in some happier place with other clear O/Ts, or do they just except that they are destined to recycle their “life” here on earth for billions of years? Where’s the hope for a better life?

    • The Christianity I was raised in just said you had to be a good person to go to heaven, that’s it. Actually, that’s when I was a small child. When I was a little older, it became you had to exist to go to heaven, period. I remember the pastor saying that God forgave even Hitler, that even he was in heaven, and having a spiritual experience about that, looking at the stained glass windows of the church. I’m not Christian any longer, but just sayin’. Until the internet, I actually didn’t know anyone who thought you had to believe in the divinity of Jesus to go to heaven.

  • outraged

    How despicable she dumped her dad. I never knew that. Another sad story.

  • Has anyone seen the articles that have been coming out about a potential link between taking vitamins when they are not necessary and a higher risk of cancer?

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/i-have-a-thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-its-annoying-what-should-i-do.105033/page-97#post-2431040

    I put up a post on WWP about it with a link to an article because I had just read one of the articles a day or two before BR posted some pics up of mislabeled Scientology purif vitamins. The connection hadn’t occurred to me, but some people like to say that Scientologists appear, at least from the outside, to suffer a higher rate of cancer. Since Scientologists are almost always lifelong vitamin addicts, maybe that could explain it… The articles I’ve read seem to believe that if you are already at a higher risk of cancer (i.e. a smoker or asbestos exposure, both of which are prevalent in Scientology) and you take unnecessary vitamins, that your risk is even further increased. Fascinating stuff.

    • Missionary Kid

      While vitamins are necessary for life, a huge megavitamin dose becomes toxic to the body because the body has to work to get rid of the excess. Niacin, taken at the levels of the purif, is a drug that is not good for the body.

      • This is what I am talking about:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/opinion/sunday/dont-take-your-vitamins.html?_r=0

        In a study published in The New England Journal of Medicine in 1994, 29,000 Finnish men, all smokers, had been given daily vitamin E, beta carotene, both or a placebo. The study found that those who had taken beta carotene for five to eight years were more likely to die from lung cancer or heart disease.

        Two years later the same journal published another study on vitamin supplements. In it, 18,000 people who were at an increased risk of lung cancer because of asbestos exposure or smoking received a combination of vitamin A and beta carotene, or a placebo. Investigators stopped the study when they found that the risk of death from lung cancer for those who took the vitamins was 46 percent higher.

        Then, in 2004, a review of 14 randomized trials for the Cochrane Database found that the supplemental vitamins A, C, E and beta carotene, and a mineral, selenium, taken to prevent intestinal cancers, actually increased mortality.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          I wish they would say at what dosages they found the risks. Or a correlation between dosage taken and risks.

          I hate these articles that don’t give you the full info, just enough to get you worried.

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s why it’s always a good thing to go to the original study, to see what the parameters set up are. It’s a PITA, but what you’ll find is they’ve usually set the values far higher than the minimum daily requirement as set by the FDA.

          • The general idea I’ve seen in the articles so far…and of course if you are concerned you can look through Google News and see most of the recent ones I’ve read. But the general idea is that taking vitamins overall has no benefit to a person’s overall health and that if you take more than the recommended daily dosages for a long period of time you can increase your risk of heart disease and certain types of cancer.

            I just thought it was interesting in the context of Scientology because of the megadoses of vitamins they take in general. They don’t ONLY take niacin, they take huge doses of all the vitamins from A-Z.

            http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-vitamins-cancer-heart-disease-risk-uspstf-20140224,0,2227604.story#axzz2vmRQKHbk

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. Since we lived in China, where deficiency diseases were common before the Revolution, my mother was conscious of deficiency diseases.

              Ironically, the introduction of white rice technology to China increased the incidence of beriberi in China. They thought it was wonderful, because it was something the wealthy could afford. It’s like Wonder Bread here. They had to add vitamins and minerals because hulling the wheat took it all away. Unfortunately, it also took away a lot of fiber.

              My mother NEVER bought white bread. She knew it was crap. It was a treat to go to friends houses and eat it, because it was different, but now, I only buy whole grain breads, except for some sourdough occasionally.

              Many immigrants, when they came here, thought that white bread, which was relatively cheap was a luxury, so they bought it instead of the whole grain breads they had grown up with. Their mistake.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve run into those studies all the time over 50 years. Making sure that one’s diet includes fresh fruits and veggies is the best way of getting all that one needs. All the crap about “depleted vitamins” in fruit and vegetables is bullshit.

          Linus Pauling and the mega-dosages of vitamin C isn’t supported by long term research, if I remember correctly.

          The problem is, once there is some preliminary research on something, suggesting that maybe something may be beneficial, the amount they try to sell is usually well over the top.

          • I guess… I can’t remember hearing anything about this in the past, but then again I’m younger than you.

            AFAIK the idea that taking vitamins might actually be BAD for you is a relatively new idea. Since the vitamin conglomerates were able to get the FDA to stop regulating them a while back no one has ever studied them.

            • Missionary Kid

              The idea has always been there among the scientists. It’s just that the vitamin industry had a large megaphone to speak through in health food stores, gyms, chiropractors (the biggest offenders, IMO) who all gave anecdotal testimony as to their efficacy. That’s the worst kind of evidence.

            • Graham

              IIRC you can’t overdose on ‘water soluble’ vitamins such as C. If you take too much you just end up with expensive vitamin-enhanced urine. But some vitamins are apparently oil soluble and can thus build up in the fatty tissue, so taking too much can be bad for you. That’s vitamins A,D and E. That info was imparted to me 30 years ago so may or may not be accurate.

            • They found after the time you speak of that B6 can cause nerve damage in high doses, as well as the problems that have been discussed with OD of niacin on this blog in the past.

        • kemist

          I remember attentively following the great anti-oxidant debacle in scientific papers after much hope was heaped onto them as cancer prevention.

          Like many things which become the subject of overblown hype, the whole anti-oxidant definition is extremely murky.

          So-called anti-oxidants have other biological activities besides inhibiting oxidation. Most of the molecules promoted as “anti-oxidants” definitely had other activities, and because of the nature of the anti-oxidant activity, these other activities happened at much lower concentrations.

          I don’t know why people are so surprised that dosing themselves to the gills with vitamins or antioxidants turns out to be harmful. A body is a biological system that must maintain an equilibrium. There are no magical substances that will do good things, at any and all doses, when thrown indiscriminately into it.

      • Also, (and things may have been different when you were in Scientology) when I was in they took megadoses of all the vitamins, not just niacin. In fact Hubbard wrote techincal bulletins on a medley of vitamins that supposedly would kick heroin withdrawls. A medley that is used in Narconon patients. Scientologists take those on a regular basis.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m a never-in, but my Dad took Nutrilite (well before Amway bought the brand) for decades, from the 50s on. (At the urging of a chiropractor), but he also started to eat a lot of healthy salads, as did the rest of the family.

          He lasted until his 90s, but I believe that it had more to do with his genes, his lifestyle, and the diet that my mother prepared for him.

          All of Hubbard’s “research” is full of shit, and I’m not familiar with his technical bulletins, but it sounds about right. It’s made-up shit.

          • Really? For some reason I had been thinking you were a former Sea Org member this whole time. I guess that’s just a testament to the power of the internet to confuse things.

            • Missionary Kid

              In a way, I’m complimented that you’d think that, but thank goodness I never had the experience. Being in a missionary family did have some parallels to the sea org, but the mindfuck was definitely not as powerful. I believe that my dad’s experiences had more to do with the psychological control that he tried to exercise on his family, but there was never an attempt to disconnect.

            • I’m glad you never had the experience either. No on should have to go through that.

          • Eclipse-girl

            good genes are a great start.

            • Missionary Kid

              I picked the right parents.

            • See now it’s those kind of comments that will make people mistake you for a Scientologist LOL

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s a common saying among us older people who live long. Dad went to 90, mom, 86, her mom to 96.

            • Scientologists say it because they actually believe that you can choose who your parents are when you are a disembodied soul between lives (and you bring all your space demons with you).

            • Missionary Kid

              I joke about it, knowing that it isn’t true. Those poor assholes are LRH deluded. Not only is there no science in $cientology, it’s actually anti-scientific.

              Ooh. I’m putting that last on on one of my lists. I’ll post it later.

            • What’s going to be funny is when someone says something and you find out it’s already on the list!

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s already happened, several times.

        • Buttons72

          Good Lord, it’s a wonder that people didn’t die from mineral toxicity and vitamin ODs.

      • aegerprimo

        A misbalance of vitamins are not good for the body either. That is why multi-vitamin/mineral daily tablets are better since they are properly balanced. If a person takes other medications, some vitamins may cause problems, such as lessen the potency of the medicine. Always check with your doctor if you want to take a vitamin regimen, ESPECIALLY if you take medications, have diabetes, or are elderly.

        • Missionary Kid

          The daily tablets probably are unnecessary if your diet is balanced. The biggest problems with most of our diets are too much sugar and fats and not enough fiber.

          • kemist

            Barring malabsorption (caused by bowel diseases such as Crohn’s or bariatric surgery), only extreme cases of malnutrition actually develop vitamin deficiency.

            Contrarily to popular belief, these cases are almost non-existent in developed countries.

            You’d have to look among cachexic or chronic anorexic / fad diet users to find one.

            In the vast majority of users, multivitamin tablets are just a way to produce expensive urine.

            • Missionary Kid

              With the famine and poverty that Chinese experienced, those diseases were common. Instituting simple health measures, the communists cut the death rate by 1%. That had a disastrous effect on the population growth. Even after all the people who starved in the Great Leap Forward, China’s population still grew.

            • kemist

              And this didn’t happen with vitamin pills, but by increasing the quantity and diversity of foodstuff.

              The thing is, the vitamin supplements used by the worried well in developed countries are not cost-efficient for their purported goal in populations that would actually need them.

              The whole supplement industry is a pointless endeavor (well, except as a way to fill the pockets of manufacturers).

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s like Co$. First, they convince people that there’s something wrong with them, then they sell them something to fix that wrong.

              It’s all based on fear and uncertainty.

              There may indeed be a problem, but it has little or nothing to do with the solution offered.

          • Toni m

            Agree.

        • Toni m

          Agree. For the people of unbalanced diets. Vt are needed.

    • texasexpat

      I have never taken vitamins, even when I was pregnant. I would say that I have better health than most people I know. Certainly I miss less work that my much younger coworkers. I almost never am actually ill, although I do take the occasional “sick of work” day. I’m in my mid 50s

  • This is why I own “viviankubrick.com”

    • Missionary Kid

      Good move. Thanks.

    • Cute!

  • Jo

    New Radar Online post, More Scientology Secrets! Has ‘Mad Men’ Star Elisabeth Moss Taken Church Courses Involving Treatment For Drugs? http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/03/mad-men-star-elisabeth-moss-scientology-courses-drug-abuse/

    • Tony Ortega

      Ha ha. Well, we know where they got the idea to look at her completions list.

      • aegerprimo

        Wow, they even did a screen shot of it!

        • Jgg2012

          If it’s so great, why do these celebrities only take 8 courses over 20 years? I mean, half the Bunker knows more about Scientology than she does.

          • aegerprimo

            The lists are often incomplete. I’ve looked ME up on the list, and does not have a complete list, and some friends I still have who are in that are on OT levels, but shows only lower steps of the Bridge.

            • aquaclara

              And it almost looks like it’s no longer being updated. Anyone know for sure?

            • aegerprimo

              I noticed that, at bottom of site it says last updates were 2005. In terms of the internet, that is AGES ago.

            • RMycroft

              The Horton database is available, so if anyone wants to take up the cause, and if CoS still publishes completions, go for it. It is a lot of work.

              I do notice it lists completions up to at least 2008.

          • aegerprimo

            Here is the link that Tony provided the other day, and where the screen shot above comes from…

            http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/

          • Buttons72

            Maybe she’s doing just enough to pass with her family and “friends”.

        • Toni m

          Just to think on all the money she paid for this.

        • Do I really need to be the one… what’s with the cheesy watermark. It’s a screenshot not an original photo ffs.

    • Sejanus

      Ooooo they should give her an audition to be Mrs Tom Cruise.
      I wanna see him bounce on furniture again.

      • aquaclara

        Oh, please, can we see that again?! LOL

        • Sejanus

          There is nothing in this whole wide world that has consistently cracked me up more than TC on a couch…whether it was Oprahs being Mini Massengill or for his award video when he was being all…zoom,….woosh….bammm…..hahahahahahaha…ya know…YOU KNOW…you are the only one who can really help.
          Best performances ever…and gave me an appreciation for how good an actor he can be..you know when he isn’t being naturally creepily douchy.
          Valkyrie is still one of my favourite films..god I hate myself for saying that…lol

          • aquaclara

            You said it! Me, too. But not about the movies. I boycott the Slimy Eyeball. But bring on some sofa-surfing!

            • Sejanus

              I don’t see them at the theatres…but picked up the DVD cheaply used…so no box office for him from me..lol. Having said that..I have aggressively avoided all his stuff since then and I feel clean and sober…lol

  • Eclipse-girl

    New article up on Radar Online — about Elizabeth Moss and scientology

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/03/mad-men-star-elisabeth-moss-scientology-courses-drug-abuse/

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Time to get out the shovel CLEARING CRAIGSLIST

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-61#post-2432812

    Ty aegerprimo

  • RMycroft

    Pictures of Scientology course rooms occasionally cause a “huh?” reaction due to an Alice in Wonderland picture on the wall. I stumbled across references where Hubbard mentioned Alice in Wonderland, and as usual Hubbard displays his superficial understanding of the knowledge that he pretended to.

    • Mark

      I can just see Bridge Publications’ spring list: ‘Alys im Wunderland’ by Ludwig Krollspell.

      • Mark

        And again:

        Es brillig war:
        Die schlichte Toven
        Wirrten und wimmelten in Waben.
        Allemümsig sind die Borogroven,
        Und die momen Rathen ausgraben.

        (From Martin Gardner’s marvellous The Annotated Alice).

        • Missionary Kid

          Interesting. I’ve never seen a German translation, but then it’s entirely logical that there would be one.

          • Mark

            There’s a French one too:

            Il brilgue:
            Les toves lubricilleux
            Se gyrent en gimblant dans la guabe.
            Enmimées sont les gougebosqueaux,
            Et les momerades horsgravent.

            • Missionary Kid

              I know a couple that named their kid Brillig. I might send the translations to them, but they probably already know about them.

        • aegerprimo

          Das Jabberwocky!

          • Mark

            Der Jammerwoch!

    • Graham

      But his middle name was Lutwidge. So he must be German, right? How dashed unfair of those English, to get poor Elwrong so confused.

    • Science Doc

      Actually his name wasn’t even Lewis Carrol.

    • Jimmy3

      Edit: Never mind.

  • OT: Your Daily Vitamin of Grant Cardone Douchebagness

    • aegerprimo

      That is an overdose of douchebagness.

      • Last Ot Post:

        The Grant Rant: “Don’t be a little Bitch!”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGuymKxmlWc

        • lucille austero

          Unfortunately, I happened upon an interview with Grant Cardone on Fox News late last week…took awhile to get over it, mentally I mean…

          • Was that the one where he word cleared “Greed” and started preaching how greed is good?

            • lucille austero

              Ah ha ha ha ha! I believe he was nattering on very earnestly about the Millennials and how to get their money…douche…

            • Lol..yeah…My fav douche quote from him is

              “My main mission is to wipe out the bitch epidemic on the planet”

              uuuugh…too much

            • lucille austero

              There are no words. Except douche.

            • Buttons72

              I take umbrage with elevating this creature to “douche”. Douche is actually right useful sometimes.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Umbrage-taking noted and highly commended.
              The only thing one should take when Cardone arises, perhaps.

              Taking up arms or a barf-bag are natural tendencies to be reined in.
              Taking flight is a further possibility.
              Taking the moral higher ground is not possible as he has surrendered all claims.

            • Hahahahaha! I concur Buttons!

            • Sejanus

              Will we accept he is ..hmmm… painful rectal itch?
              Serving no discernible purpose.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Not looking good for his spouse, then?

            • Lmao! Now that is truth!

            • RMycroft

              To wipe what’s needed, he needs a large supply of Soviet-era toilet paper.

          • aegerprimo

            Apparently he is an “expert” speaker on Faux News quite often.

        • ze moo

          $cientology: “Don’t be a little bitch, when you can be a big one”.

        • Baby

          STFU FOOL

        • Sejanus

          Loudmouthed thick necked mouth breathing Jackoffasaurus.
          You just know this asshat loves pushing people around and treating them like crap..then places blame on them because they think they are victims.
          Typical bully trying to strike first so you don’t notice his obvious and clear shortcomings.

          • He’s a Jackass for sure. Sometimes I think he is Jeff Cigar, and not because he has a cigar either. I could be wrong, but he would be the only scientologist that I know (I don’t know a lot)that would be dick enough to harass on the bunker as part of his volunteer activities

            • Sejanus

              More like a bad case of genital warts.
              Annoying and an embarrassment best not mentioned publically….lol

            • hahahahahahaha…Good one Sejanus : )

      • Miss Tia

        I have a haiku for him I haven’t tweeted yet:

        Douche douche douche douche douche
        Douche douche douche douche douche douche douche
        Douche douche douche douche douche

        • Panopea Abrupta

          I especially like the 2nd line

      • Gabbyone

        Did someone already post the link to the video “Grant Cardone Talks about Scientology?” If not, here’ the link:
        http://youtu.be/Oygfx7mcRzo

        • Awkward introduction to Scientology. Comparing LRH to Jesus?? lol

    • Artoo45

      I need a shower.

      • lol. I apologize for spreading the ENTHETA, but it’s funny.

  • Her_Royal_Blondeness

    Is there no level low enough that these people will stoop to in order to continue peddling this false persona of LRH as some great humanitarian? I had to LOL at this puff piece.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Scientology-founder-built-trails-on-Mount-Rainier-5303719.php

    • Baby

      No.. There is NO level low enough Royal..

    • Eclipse-girl

      read it yesterday.

      as someone else said yesterday, it was the last time Ronnie did anything for free.

      Ron Hubbard did not live up to the values taught by the BSA.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        My comment, E Girl 😉 and I would add that this seems to be one of the few non-fictional parts of El Wretches bio that is non-fictional AND quasi $cilon-approved.

        To answer HRB’s question, there are an estimated 842 different languages in Papua-New Guinea. If you somehow combined all their variants of the word NO into some cosmic meta-NO, a kind of SuperHero NO on ‘roids and machine-gunned it out with stadium-rock speakers and giant stacks of Marshall amps, it would not make a tiny dent in trying to express the NO.

        It’s always worse than you think.

  • nottrue

    ……

  • mook

    Apparently Kirstie or one of the Sea Orgers tweeting for her, tweeted something a few days ago about Leah leaving the cult because of her daughter. Can’t find a screenshot anywhere

    • Jimmy3
      • Buttons72

        We have to admit, Kirstie has shown a vast knowledge of what it means to have a black soul. I think, however, it’s gotten in her eyes and obstructed her vision. Thanks, Jimmy3.

      • mook

        Kirstie still thinks she’s in the right, huh? She’s gonna stay till the bitter end

        Btw, someone on ESMB pointed out that Kirstie tried to reach out to Lisa M. Presley via Twitter after Leah Remini left, but thankfully Lisa didn’t respond to her (maybe because the Presleys are Team Leah? I do know that Lisa is still regretting selling her FL home to Kirstie, who let it go into foreclosure)

      • richelieu jr

        Ooh! I just LOVE Black Soul, don’t you guys?
        So much better than that BLue-Eyed Philly stuff
        (not that there’s anything wrong with that either..)

        Krusty sounds like a racist! I’m so glad Isaac Hayes
        didn’t live to hear her denigrate his music that way…

        #peoplewholiveinfathousesshouldn’tcasthambones

      • mook
  • 0tessa

    At Rathbun’s: how Hubbard thought he could get ‘humanitarian control’ by blackmailing people.
    I wonder what that means, ‘humanitarian control’. It doesn’t sound good to me.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Going off to check on Space Station 33 and see what condition its condition is in. Cuz Ron said there are “all sorts of Saucer crews” to watch out for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpHhJKeTYxI#t=134

    • Artoo45

      I’m glad you liked it. It’s one of mine. My mission in the videos is to just let Hubbard speak. Pure Hubbs is enough to drive most sane people away. Space is WILD!

      • GalacticGreg

        I know. I forgot to credit you. I loved it when you first shared it. I thought of it today!

        • Artoo45

          Well, I’m all about shameless self-promotion:) But, honestly, I’m just glad to have it spread out to net. Never let it be said that I tried to prevent the holy writ from being spread for all to hear.

  • aegerprimo
    • Graham

      Get ’em while they’re fresh!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Super X Man grafix – luv it.

      Got’em, fresh outta the oven

      • aegerprimo

        I hope DC Comics does not object…

    • Pierrot

      terrific graphic

      • Buttons72

        ^^^+100

    • Buttons72

      Thanks for posting. Done.

    • My fam sent me this link about Anonymous and the COS CL ads. I believe this
      was back in Nov of 2013. Not sure if you ever came across it. But in
      case anyone needs inspiration.

      http://www.dailydot.com/news/scientology-anonymous-craigslist-war/

      • aegerprimo

        Tony Ortega did a couple articles about the Craigslist Project in September and October 2013…

        The Scientology Guide to Craigslist
        http://tonyortega.org/2013/09/22/the-scientology-guide-to-craigslist/

        Anonymous and Craigslist: Proof that Scientology Knows It’s Under Attack
        http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/09/anonymous-and-craigslist-proof-that-scientology-knows-its-under-attack/

        • Thanks!I just saw that like 5 minute ago lol. Should of checked Tony’s blog first. : )

          • aegerprimo

            The Daily Dot article is good too… BUT, as you can maybe start to see the pattern in the media when it comes to Scientology news… Tony posts it – he does the research, provides the dox and resources – other media follows with fluff copies.

          • Eclipse-girl

            He has so much stuff. Yes checking his bog and Village Voice articles are the first place to go, but its hard to remember to do that.

            • Thanks. I will remember to check his search engine before looking elsewhere from now on. Yeah he has a lot.

            • richelieu jr

              I suspect the Scilons are already checking his bog…

              You might wanna stay out of there…
              Especially when he’s been eating Mexican… Just sayin’…

    • Super Badass Aeger!

    • Toni m

      Lot of blues this time. Gone now.

    • Chub Rub

      Hey. I followed you from ROL. What is this RedX Brigade? Is this just to flag CL ads? I followed one of the links above and flagged about 100 of them. I found about 5 of them had been shut down already. I like the idea of being able to help from home. I want to make sure I’m doing it right. Not too familiar with CL. I just click the link, flag and back out of the page, right?

      • aquaclara

        That’s right. Thanks for flagging, and welcome to the Bunker.

      • Hi Chub Rub! Thanks for the help! Correct. You can start out doing that. I’m attaching a link to give you some tips to flag them faster and get more done in a small amount of time : ). I’m pretty new to flagging as well, but this really helped me a lot. .

        WELCOME TO THE BUNKER!

        https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-60#post-2431869

      • aegerprimo

        Welcome to the Underground Bunker! (Sorry it has taken me this long to respond to your comment, but I am early to bed and early to rise since I’m a scrub nurse in the operating room(s). In most hospitals, surgeries start at 7am.)

        WOW! Thank you for the help on the CL project! The goal is to see the ads shut down. You are one of the RED X Brigade now… 🙂

        Sounds like URdoinitrite… but Pierrot made this video that shows how it’s done in action. Using this method I do all of them in less than 10 minutes.

        http://youtu.be/NbterDh1AkU

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Mar. 12: *refresh for images*

    There were no new numbers yesterday.

    Tony: US rank #16,752 – down 452 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 15,965)
    Scientology: US rank #34,623 – down 3,121 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 40,376)

    Difference: 17,871 – 2,669 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 24,411)

    Clicks from India – 0% today.

    • Dancing Cranberry

      Oh, whew! !

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      What? they can’t afford to pay a bunch of peasants in India to click on their website anymore??

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        It’s Thursday tomorrow, so maybe we’ll see some changes then 🙂

    • India still on Vacay huh?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Looks like it 🙂

    • aquaclara

      Oop, the Sea Org is busy, I see!

    • richelieu jr

      The only stats that count are for Thursday afternoon, right?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Not even close, and the inevitable tumble has begun again…

  • nottrue

    crusader=10000 donation honor roll=20000 ……

    • Sunny Sands

      Keeping up appearances?

  • Captain Howdy

    My 5 favorite Stanley Kubrick films.

    1. tie A Clockwork Orange/Dr Strangelove
    2. Lolita
    3. Barry Lyndon
    4. Paths of Glory
    5. 2001: A Space Odyssey

    • Buttons72

      1. A Clockwork Orange
      2. 2001: A Space Odyssey
      I must say, I have not seen the others. I need to get on it. I have the world’s worst cold, so I might as well load up on movies.

      • aegerprimo

        Hope you feel better soon!

        • Buttons72

          Thanks, aeger… This strain is a real bugger. Said goodnight awhile ago, but feel too rotten to sleep. The Bunker is the cure for the common cold, clearly. I feel better (or at least, distracted), already.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Take care. The movies they recommended are good.
            Get the rest you need.
            (((HUGS)))

      • Captain Howdy

        You never saw Dr. Strangelove? That would definitely make you feel better.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          One of the all-timers
          Sellers is brilliant

          • Captain Howdy

            Peter Sellers, Sterling Hayden, George C. Scott, Slim Pickens, Keenan Wynn..you can’t beat it.

            • richelieu jr

              That and Python are the only exceptions I know of to the ‘Funny Names= Unfunny Movie” rule…

    • aegerprimo

      Didn’t know Lolita was a Kubrick movie (I am a BIG Vladimir Nabokov fan).

    • Miss Tia

      Dr. Strangelove is a good one, I’d probably tie that with Lolita for my #1, though Lolita might be a little ahead.

    • richelieu jr

      Lolita is one of my least faves:

      Mine would be:

      2001
      A Clockwork Orange
      Dr Strangelove
      Full Metal Jacket
      Paths of Glory
      Barry Lyndon
      The Killing
      The Shining (which I auditioned for as a child!)

      (all of the above are near-perfect)

      Eyes Wide Shut
      Lolita
      Spartacus
      Fear and Desire
      Killer’s Kiss

      (Flying PAdré, etc…)

      • Captain Howdy

        The main reason I wrote that was hoping you would reply. I pretty much think that Kubrick lost his muse, so to speak ,after Barry Lyndon, just like i think Scocese lost his after Goodfellas, but that’s just my opinion..which happens to be right..hah!

        • richelieu jr

          You know in last year’s Hollywood Reporter round table discussion with directors, Ben Affleck (of all people) told a story about a famous producer he was speaking to when he was still an a actor with no idea of becoming a director who told him that directors are lkte tuning forks- When you hit it,a t first it rings true and loud, and that the longer i goes on, the weaker and more out of tune it becomes…
          There is truth to that, but so, so many exceptions… And Scorsese’s latest rocks, so there ! 😉

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Kudos that The Shining is NOT on your list.

      But… Barry Lyndon?

      My list:
      1. Lolita (love that film, but it creeps out my wife)
      2. Dr. Strangelove
      3. Spartacus
      4. Paths of Glory

      I’m not really a big Kubrick fan. But Lolita is so subversive and funny…

      • Jo

        I loved Barry Lyndon and The Shining. I also liked the Room 237 documentary. My dog always reminds me of Jack Nicholson, when he wants to go out for a walk.

      • Missionary Kid

        To me, it’s the evil of both Humber Humbert, and the evil that it brings out in the unchecked control of an adolescent over an adult. It’s a story of a twisted obsession and the results.

    • D.Y.G.

      Full Metal Jacket is my favorite.

  • aegerprimo

    I can read your lips Dave…

    Get our message – Scientology Sucks!

    RED X Scientology ads on Craig’s List.
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-61#post-2432752

    • aegerprimo

      The WOG world is a beautiful place.

      We will help you.

      Call 1-866-XSEA-ORG

      We love you!

      • Aeger I got next post! Have a good night!

        • aegerprimo

          Okay! But, I will not go through the emergency airlock without my space helmet.

    • Buttons72

      LOL!!!!!

    • richelieu jr

      Dear Scilons: REPEAT AFTER HAL:

      “I’m sorry, I can’t do that, Dave.
      I’m sorry, I can’t do that, Dave.
      I’m sorry, I can’t do that, Dave.
      I’m sorry, I can’t do that, Dave.”

  • Artoo45

    LRH: The Target 2 Chronicles, Chapter 11 “I Once Was Lost . . .” posted last night. Here it is again for the afternoon crew . . .

    http://allmestup.blogspot.com/2014/03/lrh-target-2-chronicles-chapter-11-i.html

  • Captain Howdy

    The end of Stanley Kubrick’s anti-war classic “Paths of Glory”.

    All war sucks in the end, whether it’s against Germany, Japan or Scientology..it always leaves a bitter taste.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ifRA0Kj-8

  • richelieu jr

    I wondered then, and I wondered now (from the Annals of Pure Speculation of the Superficially Informed”) whether she might not have been briefed to keep an eye on Tom and Nicole..

    That would explain why her parents didn’t know she was already in (for nearly 5 years by then!) and as soon as Tom and Nicole were away from Stanley they wanted her out of there (whether she’d promised Daddy to do the soundtrack or not!)…

    Somebody (LOTS of bodies, according to Marc Headley and others) were informing on them… If she was a Scilon, why not keep an eye on the head honcho?

  • 1subgenius

    Sorry if this is old news:
    Scientology’s Narconon application rejected today in Australia
    Today, March 11, 2014, shocking Police Reportsrevealed police attended more than 30 incidents atScientology’s drug rehab, Narconon, in the East Warburton site, including one where a person had an axe.

    Numerous Police Reports were filed concerning missing persons, violent threats, threats to burn the place down and abduct female staff member, assaults, and numerous other disturbances.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/scientology-s-narconon-application-rejected-today-australia

  • media_lush
    • Captain Howdy

      William Pierce was a scilon? Maybe I should go over to Stormfront and start a thread, “Dr. William Pierce was a Xenu lover”.

    • media_lush

      a little caption of the day from DListed….

    • Missionary Kid

      I disagree with the Celebrity’s site when they say, “you leave the cult alone, they leave you alone.” The problem is that Co$ makes the decision over what leaving them along consists of. If you leave, and they become aware of ti, even if you make private statements and they are not for public consumption and don’t reach the public, they’ll fair game you.

      • media_lush

        the day before he/she posted this:

        “You all might notice some stylistic changes and that’s because we’re going to have a couple “guest” writers, but we’re not identifying any one of them as such for our own reasons”

        … a few of the regular posters here, Derek especially, also disagreed with this.

        personally the fact that this viewpoint is put forward in the first place I find interesting

        • Missionary Kid

          I forgot that I’d seen Derek’s post. History doesn’t support the $cion Celebritard site.

      • Mooser

        I think that Celebrity was mainly referring to some celebs who got out and were able to effect some kind of ‘truce’ with the cult. Mostly by keeping their mouth’s shut, and many have family members still in.
        But the statement was not a good one, about them “leaving you alone”. Sure, maybe if an ex keeps his or her mouth shut. So right off the top, the bargain is an unequal one, it comes at the cost of the ex’s free speech and ability to inform other people.
        Could anybody say that Monique Rathbun wasn’t leaving the Church alone?

        • Missionary Kid

          Who knows exactly what they mean? Your answer may be a good one. In any event, the cult has a lot to lose from a celebrity, not much from a less well known person who leaves, so they fair game away.

    • Sue

      The scientologycelebrity blog has gone – deleted by the author. Hmm…

      • media_lush

        There’s quite a bit of discussion of it in Tony’s new post comment section

  • media_lush

    Remember that Larry Hagman’s house that the cult bought*…. apparently Cruise wants it for himself

    http://www.gossipcop.com/tom-cruise-new-house-ojai/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tom-cruise-new-house-ojai

    *rumour at the time it was set to be some kind of exclusive VIP Narconon rehab centre

    • Tony Ortega

      “Apparently Cruise wants it for himself.” That page you linked to knocks down that rumor as bullshit.

      • media_lush

        did you read my comment…. they cited a ‘source’:

        “as I’ve mentioned before any “source” close to Cruise is a scientologist by default and, as such, is taught to lie from day one”

        …. this is the same site that gave a zero to Madonna’s divorce rumours to Guy Ritchie “according to sources”

    • Eclipse-girl

      If that rumor is true, wouldn’t Tom have to buy it at purchase price or it would be considered inurement?

      I do not discount the rumor. Larry Hagman had $ before he was famous. He was the son of Mary Martin.

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    • Eclipse-girl

      I feel like I am letting the gang down.
      I am in full agreement about it being a slow night.

      TY SPW.

      • No way your not! Why?

      • Don’t worry about it Eclipse girl. I know me and Aegers schedule will be changing so we won’t always post at the same time everyday. I just happen to have free time at the moment. So don’t worry if you feel like you haven’t been flagging and posting as much. Your life comes first. : )
        Hugs.

      • Pierrot

        You have been (wo)maning the posting nearly alone for a long time, and I am sure there will be time for you to jump in. You are not letting anyone down, and it is nice to know that you are here supporting the effort..

  • media_lush

    …. some site somewhere….

    Billy Eichner On Being Back “On The Street” And Why Travolta “Is Our Liberace”

    “He is our Liberace in a way, with the wig and Liberace didn’t go so far as to marry a woman and then the Scientology thing. Travolta is even crazier than Liberace, but with Travolta, I mean, he’s only human so you want to sympathize with the guy, but it gets tough because the saddest thing about Travolta can all be seen in that one moment, before he said her name wrong, when he came out and looked to the audience and said, ‘Thank you. I love you.’ And he was responding to no one. In a room where he’s not being celebrated, he was just presenting someone else. And everything you need to know about John Travolta can be seen in the moment where he said, ‘I love you,’ to a crowd that had not said it back.”

    http://www.thebacklot.com/interview-billy-eichner-on-travolta-parks-rec-and-being-back-on-the-street/03/2014/

    • Missionary Kid

      Whoooooooa! That is sad.

    • DodoTheLaser

      As a side note, Billy Eichner is behind “Funny or Die”, which mostly is pretty funny.

      I can share his sentiment regarding John Travolta, with a small important addition –
      – many people, including myself, tend to like JT as an actor and human being, but…

      Thanks for loving us John. Now tell us how you really feel about your “church”.

  • Sydjazz

    News downunder. Narcanon scientology buying up properties everywhere. On a current affair tonight.

  • Sydjazz
  • Barbara Angel

    UPDATE: On Co$ trying to *expand* its Narconon Scam in Australia. Tabloid TV channel 9 program known as A Current Affair aired this story on its 7pm show tonight 13 March. It’s terrific to see them making headlines to inform ordinary people about their *Recruiting* Scams. I’m so pleased the local people are in Opposition to
    having Co$ infiltrating their country town. Normally Co$ have a low profile in Aus so an *Expose* of them on a TV show watched by the masses is a Fantastic Warning & bound to cause people to begin Googling Co$. So more ***Negative publicity for Co$***. They also show in the video a woman screaming at an ***ASH TRAY*** hahahahah a ***guaranteed*** way of ***Ensuring*** they are viewed as lunatics. LRH is on the clip too.
    http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8813809/scientologys-plan-to-expand-into-suburbs.

  • Barbara Angel

    UPDATE: On Co$ trying to expand its Narconon Scam in Australia. Tabloid TV program known as ‘A Current Affair’ channel 9 aired this story on its 7pm show, tonight 13 March. It’s terrific to see them making headlines to inform ordinary people about their *Recruiting* Scams. I’m so pleased the local people are in Opposition to having Co$ infiltrating their country town. In the Video they show a woman Screaming at an Ash Tray a clip of TC and a short clip of LRH. The video makes Co$ look more idiotic and shows local opposition to having their country town taken over by Co$. So more negative publicity for Co$ alerting people about the $30,000 scam of drug detox and about how it’s expensive and unsafe and a Recruiting attempt. Check it out.
    http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8813809/scientologys-plan-to-expand-into-suburbs

    • EnthralledObserver

      Oh crap – I forgot to pry the children from the t.v so I could change the channel and watch this. Dammit!

      • Scream Nevermore

        Do you have catch-up over there?? 😉

        • EnthralledObserver

          Just watched it at the aca site… all good. It would just have been nice to see it on the bigger t.v, that’s all. Good piece.
          Was that true Johnny was fresh from a Purif as they said?

        • Ardent

          For a price.

      • Barbara Angel

        Its great to see A Current Affair broadcasting the locals view point. They don’t want Narconon or Co$ taking over their town. More great Negative publicity for Co$ they also had a Dr on saying how dangerous high doses of Niacin are and how people had died as a result of this sauna vitamin “cure” is by Co$. Yay x 1,000… Clearly the Locals know the ramifications of having Co$ take over a town. Clearwater anyone?

        • EnthralledObserver

          I thought I was safe from their influence or infiltration, but this story makes me realise they could come barging in any day should we let our guard down. It would be nice to know All the places they are considering/trying to buy.

          • Barbara Angel

            ***I’m quite surprised how quickly the locals were on to them?*** The program showed other properties around that area that Co$ were trying to buy or had bought. The program said the locals were trying to sell up to get away? Hard to know if that’s actually true, as you know A Current Affair is a Tabloid TV show and wouldn’t hesitate to highlight the fears to make the segment seem more dramatic.

            • Mooser

              Funny, out of all the medical-psychological scams they could have picked, they picked drug rehab. Even for those with the best intent, the best tools, and trying to use the best methods, it’s still very frustrating, and the true success rates are not high.
              The should have gone with “add 1 to 3 inches” or getting rid of pimples, they might have had a chance.

            • Barbara Angel

              Yep they should have stuck to magic creams to “enlarge your penis”, definitely a good scam there. I once had an ad come into my inbox stating, “Barbara enlarge your penis” the name Barbara didn’t seem to matter at all???
              Funny too they should target drug addicts when LRH was a ***raging drug ADDICT*** … I strongly suspect Mustravage of ‘roid’ rage as his behaviour fits the profile. Also the fact that this little turd can take down larger men than himself??? His lack of real strength is made up for by the adrenaline and ‘roid’ rage coursing through his veins. It’s not just a question of other men not daring to fight back, he is still able to pull down physically well built males.
              Co$ are so FALSE & HYPOCRITICAL that its Shockingly Unbelievable. This has got to be the most SHAMELESS bunch of Evil, Mad Bastards that I’ve ever read about.

    • media_lush
      • aquaclara

        Thanks for the link, ML. Glad to see that they covered the controversies, too. Hope it scares people away from NN.

      • Barbara Angel

        Yes but the British paper shows a different property. The one on TV tonight does not have a Sauna built yet or facilities in place for staff. They have only recently purchased the property and already Locals are kicking up a stink. One local interviewed (an ordinary looking guy) said he felt that Co$ had plans for taking over this town and ***many*** others.

        • media_lush

          a win-win… two stories showcasing the con that is Narconon are better than one

          • Barbara Angel

            Yes and its Terrific that the locals are on to them so quickly. Bad luck for the town of Clearwater…. and its legitimate residents. Imagine if the locals had have been on to Co$ and its scams from the beginning? Another fantastic part of this story is Co$ has plans for expansion in Australia and it’s ***NOT*** going to work. If a small country town jumped on them straight away complete with Tabloid TV going after them, it shows me that Co$ will have to piss off and find somewhere else to insert their tentacles.

    • Silence of the Clams

      Wait a second. I’m confused. Scientology has NOTHING to do with narconon….right?

      “The Church of Scientology is committed to supporting global humanitarian initiatives and social betterment programs. Narconon is one of these.”

      Oops. C’mon kids, keep the lies consistent. I know Google is heresay but that’s no reason to slip up like this.

      • Barbara Angel

        Your reply scared me for a minute, was afraid you’d become a Kool Aid drinker.

  • Ardent

    NEW info. Australian TV just did an article on Narconon trying to invade a variety of rural towns. The people in the towns are apparently very unhappy (as in Southern Ontario), and there was also a doctor interviewed. She expressed deep concern about the use of huge niacin doses in the ‘purification rundown’. The local sciloony who spoke evaded, as usual, rather lamely. but the show was clear that he outfit was a Scientology front, and recruitment scam, and Australan ex-scilon was featured. perhaps he is one of us here? if so, well done! The whole tone if the piece was negative toward the Scilons, and I’m only sorry I don’t have a link. I think it was on channel 9, Australia, Today Tonight. If not, it was on Seven, A Current Affair. I was to jazzed o see this to note carefully, sorry.

    • Jimmy3

      Good find.

      • Ardent

        Well, I was late to the bunker, my settings were wrong: ‘best’ not ‘most recent’. Sorry for jumping in all excited about stuff folks had already heard about.

        • Jimmy3

          Only kidding, and I did not consider the Best/Newest setting, so the joke is on me. And your commentary on the piece is new, is it not?

          • Ardent

            Aye, it is. Don’t fret. Disqus is vexing.

  • Ardent

    BTW, anyone who is interested, I am moving in two weeks to a place VERY far from here, Australia, and I may not be visible for a time. I’ve already been absent pretty often. I expect an interruption in internet access. While I’m gone, I want to wish everyone all the best in the good fight. I’ll be back in touch before I leave, and resume contact as soon as possible after the move. Per Ardua Ad Astra!

    • aquaclara

      Good luck with your move. Sounds like a big adventure. Come on back when you’re ready.

    • Sue

      Good luck with the move, Ardent, and come back soon. Take care.

    • ObsessedReader

      Sounds like a fun adventure! Good luck and safe travels.

    • Mooser

      Austrailia? Watch out for the man-eating toads!

    • Sandy

      For some reason, I thought you already lived in Australia…

    • Artoo45

      On the internetz, nobody knows you’re antipodean . . . bon voyage!

  • ShoopZ

    I wonder if she ever got her bush baby?

  • Veritas

    <>

    This is indeed true , and the bias and prejudice of which is soaked this article is the tombstone to the intelligence of those who wrote it and of those who endorse the parochial position ;

    labels and generalizing ghetto ( “conspiracy theorists” ), to rock your hypocrisy and your need to feel reassured by the “certainties” through official channels: people more than the jerk (part of) the US (and populations affected by the stupidity materialistic positivist prevailing in stars and stripes) could not exist.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      What on earth are you talking about? None of what you say makes any sense.