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Arlene Cordova needs your help: Where is Scientology keeping her daughter Barbara?

BarbaraRobertOliverIn January, we told you about Barbara Cordova Oliver, 56, a longtime Scientologist who had vanished after having a mental breakdown at her 80-year-old mother Arlene’s house in the Los Angeles area last December.

Barbara had been a fixture at Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Center, where she ran something called Artists for a Better World. But after two failed moves to Clearwater, Florida with her Scientologist husband Robert Oliver, a distraught Barbara found herself at Arlene’s house and obviously needed medical attention. (Arlene has never been involved in Scientology.)

Barbara was briefly hospitalized at Olive View-UCLA Medical Center in Sylmar, but Arlene says that a Scientology attorney soon got Barbara released to her husband’s care. The couple then vanished. Arlene thought they might be in Tennessee.

After our initial report, we learned that Barbara and Robert were in Woodbury, Tennessee at a Scientology rehab facility known as Life Center for a New Tomorrow.

Also after our first story ran, a Google Plus page for Barbara appeared, showing photographs of her seemingly enjoying the sights of Woodbury, such as this World War I and II monument…

 
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Even less subtle was the classic “reading a newspaper to prove she’s alive” photo which was also posted…

 
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And a picture of Barbara and Robert outside the Woodbury Applebee’s also showed how much fun they were having…

 
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But Arlene Cordova wanted more than photographs. She wanted to hear directly from her daughter. And we understood her concern. Scientology considers psychiatry its biggest enemy in the galaxy, and the church relies on unscientific methods to deal with serious mental health issues. People who have serious breakdowns are subjected to something developed by L. Ron Hubbard which he called the “Introspection Rundown.” But treating people in distress with Hubbard’s “technology” has ended in disaster in the past. More than a few observers wondered if Barbara was being kept away from her mother as she also went through something like the Introspection Rundown.

After our report, Arlene did see her daughter, but she asked us not to write about it. And now, she’s lost contact again, and she’s worried. She gave us permission to bring our readers up to date on what’s been happening.

Once we had located her daughter at the Tennessee facility in January, Arlene called until she got through to her son-in-law.

“I told him that I wanted to see Barbara, and he didn’t say no,” Arlene told us. She then traveled in April to Woodbury with a friend.

She learned that Barbara and Robert were renting a small house in a remote area.

“I don’t know who’s paying for anything. I assume it’s Scientology,” she says.

They had arranged for a time to meet that first day, and that’s when Arlene learned that Robert had hired a security guard to be present.

“I guess he thought we were going to grab Barbara and run away.”

But at least she got to see her daughter.

“Barbara was not in good shape. She looked very depressed. She is mentally going downhill. I couldn’t get too much out of them. She was very glad to see me, and that was basically it,” Arlene says.

After spending some time with them, Arlene prepared to go and asked when she could come over the next day — they had agreed that it would be a multiple-day visit.

But on the second day, Arlene was delayed. She was involved in a fender-bender, and it took her considerable time to get to the house. When she got there, the place looked all locked up.

“They were inside. I called to them, and Rob answered. He said he wouldn’t let us in until the security guard got there. He called her, and the guard took almost an hour to get there. Poor Barbara was inside yelling at him to let me in.”

After the guard arrived, they spent more time together. Arlene says she then asked if she could come the next day, and says Bob expressed some doubts that the guard could make it.

As soon as Arlene left that second day, Robert packed Barbara into his car and left.

Arlene returned home to California.

She says she subsequently received an e-mail from Robert, who told her that he had taken Barbara to visit his mother, and they had then returned to Tennessee.

“He made it sound practically like it was a honeymoon,” she says. But she’s not buying it.

It was the last she heard from either of them.

“I’m going crazy trying to figure out what to do,” she tells us. “She could be anywhere. I’ve got to do something and I don’t know what in the world to do.”

We were concerned to hear that when Arlene saw her daughter, Barbara seemed to be deteriorating. And if Robert is following Scientology procedure, this woman with serious health issues won’t be given access to proper care.

Arlene says she doesn’t know if Robert and Barbara are still in Tennessee. Has she been moved again? Please, if you know anything about her whereabouts, we’d like to hear from you. And so would Arlene.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 30, 2014 at 07:00

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  • funniest diss of scientology ever [well, at least this week]:

    “I’m Jewish. I don’t really believe in science fiction”

    ….”t’s been rumored [Kirstie] Alley tried converting him to Scientology….”

    pic

    new post up http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • Innoculated

      Yeah, I just saw this on Yahoo site, first story. Ms. Alley lays it out–had to have an intermediary convey news of her disassociation from him because of his second degree connection to Leah via Lopez. Just makes Alley look strange and intolerant. Scientology mentioned a few times.

      • Missionary Kid

        She’s the one who said that there’s no such thing as disconnection, didn’t she?

      • indie8million

        “Look” strange and intolerant?

    • aegerprimo

      This article mentions Kirstie’s recent failures as well…

      Kirstie Alley’s Show Canceled: TV Land Axes ‘Kirstie’ After First Season
      http://www.inquisitr.com/1383016/kirstie-alleys-show-canceled-tv-land-axes-kirstie-after-first-season/

      Though Maksim and Kirstie had always been close, and participated in two seasons of DWTS together, it seems they are no longer on speaking terms. As Zap2It shares, it seems that perhaps Chmerkovskiy’s friendship with Leah Remini, who appeared on a recent season and quite publicly quit Scientology, may be to blame. Kirstie Alley is still a dedicated Scientologist, and she railed on Remini publicly not long ago. Chmerkovskiy wouldn’t name names, but said, “Now that I’m associating with other people that she can’t be associated with, I am no longer to be spoken with.” That would certainly seem to reference Kirstie, Leah and possibly his other “friend” Jennifer Lopez.

    • indie8million

      I used to admire Kirstie because she was a no nonsense gal. Now it’s just “no sense.”

  • KNMF

    Scientology sees an elderly person as a problem that will soon take care of itself.
    Not surprised to see all the passive-aggressive stalling.

  • Sarah James

    What about building a site for all of those missing in scientology? Send info to the media with details.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I’z got the sads from todays story. Caption this lulzy photo that Rinder posted for me please:

    • aegerprimo

      Wait WAT?!?!?! Is that a velour jogging suit?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You got the sadz? I almost got a hernia laughing!

      • Ruby

        Someone who goes by Themoreyouknow said, “That track suit (I guess that’s what it is) looks like something Gomer Pyle would have worn in 1974 while out for a jog.”
        I’m still laffing at that one.
        :))

        • Sherbet

          Go-olly!

      • Baby

        He got the Sadz from Tony’s story..

        But part 2 was worth the hernia B.

    • Observer

      Douchebag level: Cardone

      • lucille austero

        Yes, very Cardone. Tool!

    • (F5)

    • Guest

      . . .

    • NOLAGirl

      The next new Gag II running program apparel is now available for the low, low price of $750. (F5)

      • NOLAGirl

        Sorry about the double post.

      • FOTF2012

        Gives a good sense of comparison between methane power and theta power.

      • Missionary Kid

        How about “THETA” in the front with an arrow pointing to the crotch, or the pants shown above with an arrow pointing to the anus? That might entrubulate a few cams.

    • Sherbet

      Superpower: It doesn’t help your fashion sense.

      • Bavarian Rage

        Fashion sense must come as a part of the elusive OT X. Can’t be released soon enough.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Congrats on your marginally becoming 15,000$ sweatpants, idjit.

  • nottrue

    May they will run the story…….

    • NOLAGirl

      I sent them an email earlier today and….. *crickets*…. not even an automated response saying they got it. I’m not feeling hopeful.

      • Ineedcaffeinenow

        I also sent messages to both the news and website addresses asking them to contact Tony. I have not received any response from them.

    • Ineedcaffeinenow

      People should also send messages to the local radio station:

      WBRY AM 1540 FM 96.7
      153 Mile Valley Road
      Post Office Box 7
      Woodbury, TN 37190
      Phone: 615-563-2313
      Fax: 615-563-6229

      Email: askus@wbry.com

    • Aslansown

      See below for Life Center’s Service Agreement – you basically have to agree that you have no expectations of anything happening while they’re there.

    • Frodis73

      I just emailed them too.

    • ccyankee

      Maybe it’s worth attaching a couple of pictures with the email to the Cannon Courier, especially the one that shows a close-up of their newspaper being used as a proof of date… it’s just too much like a kidnapper’s proof of life. And it drags their newspaper into what they might perceive as a purely domestic situation. It’s just too creepy and looks sinister… there is no normal explanation for a photo like this. Even other local media should be intrigued by the newspaper photo. Getting ready to do this now.

      • Frodis73

        I pointed that out to them in my email! How funny. I hope it helps.

  • Aslansown

    I was looking at the FB page of that guy in the running suit and noticed that one of the FB groups he likes is called Psychs. Went over there…it’s an open group, just begging for comments.

    There’s one post about a psychiatrist who was arrested for human trafficking and they’re calling him all sorts of nasty names…

  • It’s pretty clear Barbara’s had a psychotic break and they’re doing a “standard” handling of her. I’ve seen it done more than once. Isolate, try to calm her down, drug as necessary, and do anything to keep her quiet. When I knew Barbara at CCLA she was always pleasant and sweet but not terribly bright, easily manipulated. She’ll probably end up dead. If that happens, I hope this time someone in the cult goes to prison.

  • Zana

    This is human trafficking, isn’t it? Holding someone against their will? Not letting them see their relatives?

    • pronoia

      In this case, it is probably domestic abuse.

  • Jgg2012

    The “reading a newspaper photo” is dated January 29th. Couldn’t they come up with something more recent?

    • Jimmy3

      They were posted on January 31st, so they were recent at the time. Her mother visited in April. Now she’s being hidden away again.

  • Sunny Sands

    Here are a couple of unrelated Kirstie tweets … at least, I hope they’re unrelated :-). (refresh)

    • Jimmy3

      I think she’s saying she was offered a role in a Golden Girls porn parody?

    • Sejanus

      Oh Hellllllllllllllll no.

    • Unex Skcus

      “Krusty has Klass”.

    • Kristie you know that we rather have you dead than Incapable.

      -Ron

  • Lurkness

    Upset yesterday at the OSA lies in the speech posted yesterday, but happy today to see how utterly Pathetic and unable Kristie Alley remains. So incapable of communications with all her Scilon training, she can’t even personally do disconnection. What a washed up, useless bitch. Video included.
    http://www.wetpaint.com/dancing-with-the-stars/articles/2014-07-30-maks-kirstie-alley-end-friendship

    • Baby

      Nut case!

      added…… and so irrelevant!

      • Aslansown

        You have a way with words! 😉

        • Baby

          xo.. I’m pooped! I get on so late lion..well actually I took a break after enlarging Barbara’s picture..

          It got to me.. so left until now.. Just hurt my heart that her mama has to suffer like this.

          Collateral damage and lives left in tatters. I hate this Fuckin Cult.

          • jeff

            Me, too. After watching that liar yesterday….Oy! I;m steamed (and not a clam). Let’s have some pie and fuggedabouttitt!

            • Aslansown

              PIE! Pie is always good and cures a lot of ills.

            • Missionary Kid

              I love breakfast pie.

            • Aslansown

              Mmm….

            • Missionary Kid

              When I’m in the mood, I also like breakfast Chili. My eating tastes don’t follow the clock. My stomach, on the other hand, tells me it desires food (non-specific) when it tells me. 😉

            • Aslansown

              I’ll eat almost anything at any time. Leftover pizza is great the next morning (if there’s any left). Breakfast chili sounds good!

            • Missionary Kid

              Breakfast Pizza. I’lleat it hot or cold!

            • Baby

              It is ALL about pie for Jeff, Lion and baby..

          • Aslansown

            This is such a sad story. It reminds me of when my mom was in her 80’s and would drive from cross country and try to find my sister (who was off her meds and completely psychotic). When she did find her she called the police to get my sister to the hospital & b/c she wasn’t homicidal or suicidal, they said to my mom “it’s not against the law to be crazy.” It just about did my mom in, not being able to help her and hearing my mom crying about it just about did me in. This feels very familiar.

            • Baby

              OMG.. tragic sweet lion (HUGS) It sounds familiar to this story..just so very sad. I’ve been in a poopy mood all day. I am too damn sensitive to be an Anti Scn. I think it’s time to collect stamps instead.

              When my twin died listening to my mama cry ( 83) just too much for me to think about.. to see our older moms being so vulnerable is just so heart breaking..

            • Aslansown

              It really is. Not only having your twin die, but listening to your mom cry. I’m so sorry.

              My mom is now 89 and still dealing with my sister’s illness, although my sister’s in a nursing home (awful) where she thinks she has to be on her meds. In reality, if she walked out, there would be nothing we could do (until she got psychotic again) but we’re not going to share that bit of news with her.

              She is so great on meds and has been for about 8 years, but for some reason the one that has always worked so well isn’t working, and she’s back to thinking that my mom isn’t her mother, she says her name is not (name), it’s a completely different name, etc. When my mom goes to visit my sister screams at her to leave — it’s killing my mom – especially after they’ve had such a great relationship for the first time in 25 years when she first got psychotic. Mom is also thinking about her own mortality and I know she doesn’t want this to be what it’s like when she dies…

            • Baby

              Mental Illness is absolutely devastating .. I would advise your mother not visit until your sister is stable. Tell her that she isn’t seeing her daughter, but the illness.

              of course your mom is thinking about her own mortality.. Your sister is in good hands at the home ( Hopefully) .. There is nothing your mother can do while your sister is in this state.

              You tell your mama that Baby told her to take care of the years she has left. They will experiment with your sister’s medication and hopefully will find one that stabilizes her again.

              Your family is my prayers honey.. just tragic.

            • Aslansown

              The home is awful, but the only place around that would take her. I will pass along your thoughts, altho I know the first question will be “Who’s this ‘Baby’ person?” 😉

              Thanks for your advice. I know you’ve worked in the field for a long time.

              Well, I better go to bed. When I’m having trouble typing correctly I know it’s time to go.

              Can’t wait until the day that we meet each other for pie. We’ll have two spoons and eat it out of the pan (with ice cream, of course) !!

            • Baby

              Tell your mama that this Baby person worked in Mental Health for 30 years and led family support groups.

              Night sweetheart.. Pie yep right out of the pan. I’m sorry the home is awful! sigh.. Just so sad to hear this! xoxo baby

  • Unex Skcus

    Speaking of Krusty, “Maksim Chmerkovskiy talks falling out with Kirstie Alley, hints it’s because he’s associated with ex Scientologist Leah Remini”
    http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2014/07/maksim-chmerkovskiy-talks-falling-out-kirstie-alley-hints-its-because-hes-associated

  • Baby

    So if you want a good laugh..( We all need it) Go to the Mile High Club!

    http://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/they-fear-it-because-it-works/

    • Jimmy3

      Are you stalking me? I was reading that just now. I’m shocked to discover that Scientology didn’t infiltrate the government, the government infiltrated the government. Woah!

      • Baby

        Yes.. I know things about you Jimmy ..hahahahhaha EVERY SQUARE INCH OF YOUR BODY…!!

        I know it’s amazing… Whenever I need a good chuckle I go over there.. Yep the Mile High Club

        Party of 2.. Good God..

        • Jimmy3

          Hah! Now I know you’re not spying on me because I can only be measured in round inches. Nice try, Baby!

          • Baby

            Oh they won’t.. ( or I would be surprised) …They have announced they won’t let SPs on..

            I swear to God Jimmy they make Marty look Sane.

            Marty mentioned that he is going to write a blog post about the group and that he actually feels sorry for them.

            There was a big fight amongst them ( was it last year? ) Lana and Marty and others on Marty’s site..

            Here is some info about other shit…to do with them..
            http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?36453-Independent-Scientology-blog-Milestone-Two-attacks-critic-Chris-Shelton

            • Missionary Kid

              Weren’t they the group that was going to declare people to be SPs and crap like that?

              They’re David Miscavige for Indies, it seems.

            • Baby

              Yep.. When they first started they had all these rules and regulations for joining.. but because of the uproar and people dropping out they took it down..

              But you know it has just carried out Underground! ( I’m sure)

            • Missionary Kid

              Birds if a feather..only this is a flock of sociopaths.

            • Baby

              Yep.. Great Club to belong to, huh? I’ll stick to the Bunker! At least we all agree that we are all crazy..

            • Missionary Kid

              As I recall what is said to be a Quaker saying, “Everybody is a bit queer [odd] but me and thee, and sometimes I think thee a bit queer.”

            • Baby

              Hahahahah Yes.. I love it..Kid

          • Baby

            Ewwwww round inches.. I just got that.. Shame on you! I’m tellin!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Dirty mind Baby,he’s talking about his belly.

            • Baby

              Hahahaha .. Uh Huh… Sure xo

            • Todd Tomorrow

              XXXL

          • Frodis73

            Let us know if he does. I’m going to guess no, lol.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Thanks for the laugh.

      “Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent by the media to discredit Scientology and Dianetics.”
      I see they learnt well from LRH,-Just shit out a fact to support your agenda.

      • Baby

        Oh hell yes Mirror… Your avi always makes me laugh..haha

        • TheMirrorThetan

          I had a new one I found a few days ago and i was going to change it to the new captain cat but i lost it and cant find it again. So since this one makes the smoking baby laugh I will keep this one 🙂

          • Baby

            OMG I love it.. Love it! It is Hysterical all regal lookin like Hubs ” Fake Navy “..

    • jeff

      Holy moly…I read it as satire, but then I got to the comments – these whackos are serious.

      • Baby

        WACKADOODLES

    • Lurkness

      Stunning.

    • Captain Howdy

      Forget those freaks. Half the page is unreadable and when I zoom out no bottom navigation bar appears and a pop up with no apparent way to close it appears.

      • Baby

        I just go there for shits and grins Howdy.. Just a hot mess..

    • Missionary Kid

      They certainly overestimate their importance in the world. “…the American Medical Association has spent hundreds of millions and possibly billions of dollars to stop the expansion of Dianetics and Scientology…”

      Bullshit. the AMA barely knows that Dianetcs and $cientology exist. Cos is barely a pimple on the AMA’s ass.

      • Baby

        Yep! You are up late kid..

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s about 30 minutes to midnight here. I got my ass whipped today when I went out this afternoon to go to Indio. It was only 115 f. The hottest spot was, I believe Usually, I can tolerate that, but I’m out of shape. I drank a lot of water, but I can tell I need electrolytes because I started cramping up.

          I’m nursing a liter bottle of Pedialyte. I’m 4/5ths done. Later, I’ll switch to Gator Aide. The lower calorie kind.

          I even mix the lemon-lime low calorie Gatoraid with iced tea to make a type of Arnold Palmer.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Try Powerade, MK.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t like the taste of Powerade as well as G2, as Gaiteraide has dubbed the low calories stuff.

            • DodoTheLaser

              It looks like you are being critical of Powerade. I am gonna have to send you to ethics.

            • Missionary Kid

              If it’s $cientology ethics, fuck ’em. There’s no ethics in $cientology ethics. 😉

            • DodoTheLaser

              “There’s no ethics in $cientology ethics” – should be on one of your lists.

            • Missionary Kid

              I have no shame. I’ve put it on the list, THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY & DIANETICS http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059448
              Thanks.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thanks.

            • Missionary Kid

              😉 That was one of those things that just popped out of my fingers, unbidden. Those are the best, from me, as well as most of the other Bunkaroos.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Those are the best, indeed. Raw truth.

          • Baby

            My hubby is totally addicted to Arnold Palmer.. 115 f OK you can keep it..ugh..Hate heat.. ( HATE!) ugh.. yes sweetie keep hydrated!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve been drinking it for 50 years, before it was called Arnold Palmer. We used to call it “panther piss” because of the way it looked. Thank goodness it tastes better than it looks in a clear glass.

            • Missionary Kid

              115 isn’t so bad, but the humidity is up to the 30% level. When it’s dry, it’s not too bad. I’ve run a crew when the temperature hit a record 123 f. Of course, we’d start while it was still dark, and they’d quit around 1:00.

              I’ll take 115 like that over 90 degrees f and 100 % humidity like you get in the South and Midwest. At least when you sweat here, it evaporates.

              In Chicago in the summertime, you can take a shower, put on a fresh shirt, (and other clothes, of course), step outside and within 5 minutes, you’d need a fresh shirt.

              We’re in what we call our monsoon season. There’s enough moist, fully saturated air that comes up from the Sea of Cortez, and when it hits the mountains, storm cells develop. You can have a violent thunderstorm with huge amounts of rain in one place, but just a mile away, it can be completely dry.

              Summertime is the time that our weather is the most danger. Remember the hikers in Arizona who were in a canyon, and it rained several miles away? The only reason we know what happened to them, is that a few of them were able to get to high ground. There’s no vegetation to speak of to slow down the water.

            • Baby

              Ugh.. I hate to be HOT I hate to be COLD.. I want to be baby Bear.. JUST right!

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            Have you heard of Cal-Mag(tm)? Supposedly that’ll do the trick. I tried it after a grueling stint of prepping carrier pigeons and it worked pretty well, which is to say that it’s workable, but a little bit of the gatorade after might have helped with the aftertaste and burning sensation on my skin…

            • DodoTheLaser

              CalMag is great for explosive diarrhea fans.

            • Missionary Kid

              No thanks, I’d rather have my electrolytes restored, not fucked up. 😉

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah, I can see AMA and APA spending millions and billions to stop/discredit dianetics and scientology,
      because they got nothing else to spend those money for. Sarcasm.

      Also, no one can stop anything that is truly beneficial to a society. It’s called word of mouth.

      So stupid, it burns.

      • Baby

        Amen! You know that I’ve been involved too long in this shit when I know most of the players over there..ugh..

        I remember them from Marty’s First Blog ( That was closed) before he got the one he has up now. Just Cray Cray Stupid.

        • DodoTheLaser

          The sad part, they really believe that people who critisize Hubbard’s Tek are “SPs”
          who know it works and helps people. Yeah, show me a mutherfucking Clear/OT. Ugh.

          • Baby

            Just Crazy Dodo.. I can’t wait to read Marty’s blog post he is going to write about them..soon..

            • DodoTheLaser

              You think he will? He kind of covered it before, if you read between the lines.

            • Baby

              Dodo.. Yes..absolutely ( and yes he did kind of cover it before..( sociopaths..haha etc.) and have mentioned it a couple of times..

              but somewhere in the last post in the comment section ( or the one before that..) He said that he would write about it..and that he feels sorry ( words to that effect) for them.

            • Baby

              martyrathbun09

              I found it Dodo..

              July 25, 2014 at 1:52 pm

              ” Brian,

              It was my raising the very same questions that resulted in their formation and continuing dramatization (see, Keeping Scientology Working). I don’t hold it against those people. I feel for them. Keep an eye out for my next post which will explain why that is.

              Marty “

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thanks, Baby. It’s gonna get all kinds of interesting.

            • Baby

              It sure is..and I will be in the Front Row.. I can only imagine the comment section..OMG

    • D.Y.G.

      I’ve been reading that site a bit, until I got to the point I can’t read it anymore. These people are still so stuck in the cult mentality. Everyone talks about peeling back the layers of the onion over time but they haven’t even started doing that. They’re cast out of the original group, for whatever reason, and they compensated for that loss by starting another group!

      The first part of the recovery process should be an undoing of the negative effects of the mind control that the person has been subjected to. You can’t make any sort of sense of the experience without doing so, and without it there’s no way for the individual to come to an understanding of the extent of the control that the cult actually had on them. So they discard DM, but cling to Ron.

      It’s a very sad thing.

      • Baby

        Yes.. it is sad.. when I said what I said about a laugh..

        I was talking of course about the absurdity contained within..ugh..

  • Lady Squash

    I took care of an OT 8 in her home for two years who had lost her mind. The Introspection Rundown was never on the table. Her treatment was run by the Church and was the “Give her a safe environment, no drugs or treatment of any kind, and she’ll “key-out her engram”. I took care of her some of the time. Her husband took care of her the other times. She did not get better. She had violent, destructive rages. Her husband was a completely committed Scientologist and believed psychiatrists are evil. He would not consider letting her see a psychiatrist. He threatened her with sending her to a mental hospital if she didn’t get better. He believed since she was OT 8, she was causing her own breakdown. It was frustrating and tragic to bear witness to the mindset that kept her husband from getting proper care for this woman. I quit after she attacked me horrifically, sending me to the emergency room.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Whoa… Thank you for sharing this story.

      • Lady Squash

        Thank you for reading my post. I am still haunted by all I observed in the name of “spiritual freedom”.

    • 0tessa

      It is certain: in some (or more) cases Scientology processing leads to insanity or a mental breakdown.

      • hansje brinker

        True. The first OT8 in Holland in the last years of her life she was totally lost the way. She didn’t know anymore where she was. Very sad story. A kind of amnesia.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Too sad and ironic, considering the latest official version of OT8 EP (end phenomena)
          is ~ a freedom from a whole track amnesia.

          • hansje brinker

            Yes I know. First she didn’t want to do OT8, but because she was afraid to become like her mother (dementia) Flag had convinced her that she just need to do that………..so in the end the real EP was the opposite of the promised EP.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Oh man… scientologists need medical and psychiatric help more than they know…

            • hansje brinker

              That can be a good R-factor.

      • Lady Squash

        I couldn’t agree more. That’s the very least they should do. At the very least SCN should come with a Black Box Warning. If they were forced to do that, maybe they’d shut-up about the evil psychs. But probably not. Cults need an enemy. That’s how they work.

    • Baby

      Lady.. Good God.. What a horrific story.. I was injured many times in my work. Just sickening..

      • Lady Squash

        It is a horrific story. I had nightmares after leaving. But it is not for me that I feel bad. I got out. That woman is still living in her private hell and her husband is still trying to fix her with SCN.

        • Baby

          Just tragic .. That poor woman.. I hate Scn. HATE

          • Lady Squash

            Your rage resonates with me! I can not tell you the depth of my frustration, disillusionment, disgust and I just don’t have words strong enough. Thank you for understanding. Oddly, it helps.

            • Baby

              Oh I am glad to hear that I helped you in any way.. You just don’t mess with someone’s mind like that. So very sad.

  • Sunny Sands

    TV Land Cancels Kirstie Alley’s Series

    http://www.cinemablend.com/televisi…-Series-Orders-Jim-Gaffigan-Sitcom-66501.html

  • Pierrot

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  • Captain Howdy

    NBC News, Steve Hassan, the Moonies and one family’s fight for their daughter

    http://youtu.be/zcu3Ty4golY

    • Baby

      Thanks Howdy.. I am plagued with insomnia again.. Will watch..

    • hansje brinker

      Sounds familiar…………

    • Baby

      Absolutely riveting ..I would suggest everyone watch this from beginning to end.. Wow!

      Ps A cult by any other name is still a Cult!

  • DodoTheLaser

    I just posted this in reply to Anonymous and reposting it here. It’s regarding Barbara.

    Another sham is Barbara reading a newspaper in the pic Tony posted.
    Reference: “How to Handle Dangerous Environment”. The bottom line of which is – to feel better, don’t read/listen to the news. Almost every scientologist knows it. So yeah, Barbara on The Introspection RD Lite reading a newspaper. Seems legit. It’s Photo Op, imo. God help her.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Just in from Karen. (refresh)

    • Baby

      Yay.. can’t wait

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I find my self getting worked up in anticipation of another Abuse Bulletin.
        What news of tragedies await us today?

        • DodoTheLaser

          It’s almost unbearable at times. But it’s all worth it at the end. Activism defined.

    • Missionary Kid

      In a way, my father’s, as I term it, Missionary Neurosis, is a very, very, mild form of what Mareka Bacus went through. My dad often put helping others ahead of taking care of his family emotionally. I can forgive him and understand it. Mareka, on the other hand, was abandoned because of $cientology, in a very cruel way for a child.

      At least, I always knew that I was loved, and that when I left Christianity, I wasn’t loved any less.

      • DodoTheLaser

        “At least, I always knew that I was loved, and that when I left Christianity,
        I wasn’t loved any less.”
        This, 1000 times.

    • RBE

      Cool. If people remember, Mareka stopped by the Bunker a month or so ago when there was a video about Ideal Orgs in the UK and her (ex?) friend appeared in it. I hope she drops by again I have some further questions…

  • DodoTheLaser

    Play it on repeat to feel better about everything.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL11DIW7-Ak

  • DodoTheLaser

    New post is up.

  • mpl

    Oh, man, this is so sad. I feel terrible for Barbara, but especially Arlene. I cannot imagine the horrible worry that she is going through. :((

  • Valhalkarie

    Wow, how weird ! How friggen strange!!! How can ppl. Think that is normal or ok? Ok US gov. Save our citizens!!!! This is getting crazy now.