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Where is Scientology keeping Barbara Cordova Oliver?

Barbara_CordovaIn December, a 56-year-old woman who had long been a prominent presence at Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre, Barbara Cordova Oliver, flew home to Los Angeles from Clearwater and suffered a nervous breakdown.

Her mother, Arlene Cordova, 80, called police to her home, where Barbara was staying. (Arlene has never been involved with Scientology.) Barbara was taken by police to Olive View-UCLA Medical Center in Sylmar, where she was held for observation. Arlene visited her daughter in the facility, but on December 12, she says that Barbara’s Scientologist husband Robert Oliver and a Scientology attorney attended a court hearing that enabled them to get Barbara out of Olive View.

Arlene hasn’t seen her daughter since. And now she and a number of other people who knew Barbara are concerned that she’s being held somewhere and is undergoing Scientology’s notorious “Introspection Rundown.” We’ve put in a message to Karin Pouw, Scientology’s international spokeswoman, asking for an update on Barbara’s location and condition, but she hasn’t responded.

On January 2, a member of Barbara’s extended family reached out to a Los Angeles television news producer, who called the Celebrity Centre asking for an update about Barbara. Three days later, on Sunday January 5, Arlene then received a phone call from Barbara.

“I wasn’t sure it was she for a minute. And I couldn’t understand what she was saying,” Arlene says. “I said, where are you, where are you? At some point ‘Tennessee’ came in the picture. I asked to speak to her husband and got nowhere. She hung up.”

A few minutes later, she says, Robert called her from an 818 area code phone number which she traced to Canoga Park. But she says it may just be a cell phone number and could have been located anywhere. (We tried the number several times, but calls didn’t go through.)

“I’m anxious to know where Barbara is and see what she looks like,” Arlene says.

That January 5 phone call was the last contact Arlene has had with her daughter.

Barbara Cordova Oliver is well known to many people in Scientology. In 1997, she founded Artists for a Better World, a Scientology front group that worked out of the Hollywood Celebrity Centre. Through 2011, the group was holding awards ceremonies at the Celebrity Centre, and according to the group’s website, each time Barbara would give a speech about AFABW’s efforts. Here’s a photo of her giving that talk in 2009…

 
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Arlene says that her daughter was only 17 when she joined Scientology and has never showed an inclination to leave it. Last year, Barbara decided to move to Clearwater, telling her mother that there were “better opportunities” for her there. Arlene notes that Robert’s mother lives in the Clearwater area, which might have also influenced their decision. After a short time, however, they returned to Los Angeles. But then, the couple made another effort to relocate to Florida. And that, too, didn’t work out. So in December, Barbara called her mother and said she wanted to come home again.

The couple flew back to California, arriving late at night at Arlene’s home. The next morning, she found her daughter extremely upset and called police. “She was in bad shape. They ended up taking her to Olive View to take care of her mentally,” she says.

Arlene visited her daughter in the facility. “It was like visiting any patient who was very unhappy to be there. She didn’t believe she belonged there. At that point, she was rational, she knew what she was talking about. She was anxious to get out of there and get on her way with her husband. She didn’t say anything specific about where she might be going,” Arlene says.

The next day, Arlene called Olive View and Robert picked up the phone, telling her that the Scientology attorney had been there. There was then a court hearing, but Arlene says she was told she wouldn’t be allowed to attend. She didn’t even find out that her daughter had left the facility until she called on December 12.

“I called Olive View, to a number that went to Barbara’s room, but somebody else answered. I asked for Barbara and I was told she had just left. I talked to the doctor, and he said the trial is over and Barbara left,” Arlene says. The next day, she heard from Barbara and Robert, who said they were in a hotel near the hospital where Robert had been staying while Barbara was hospitalized.

Arlene heard nothing else until she received the call from Barbara on January 5.

We told Arlene that Barbara’s story had eery parallels with one of Scientology’s greatest tragedies — the death of Lisa McPherson in Clearwater, Florida in 1995. Like Barbara, Lisa also had a mental breakdown, was hospitalized, and then was pulled out of the hospital by Scientologists. She was then taken to the Fort Harrison Hotel, the iconic center of Scientology’s spiritual mecca. She was then subjected to the “Introspection Rundown,” a process that Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard had come up with years earlier that involved keeping a person who had gone “Type 3” — Scientology jargon for insanity — by keeping the subject in silence. Seventeen days after McPherson was taken to the Fort Harrison, she was rushed to the hospital and died on the way. An autopsy initially found that she had died of extreme dehydration.

Arlene told us that she understood why we weren’t the only ones bringing up McPherson’s experience. “Robert did say they were going to take Barbara someplace quiet,” she says.

Nancy Many, however, cautions us not to jump to conclusions.

Nancy, who wrote about her experiences in Scientology in her book, My Billion-Year Contract, described in vivid detail her own mental breakdown after days of intense questioning by a Scientology official. She’s been through the worst Scientology can dish out. But she points out differences she sees between Barbara Cordova’s situation and Lisa McPherson’s.

“I did know Barbara,” Nancy tells us. “She was at the Celebrity Centre forever, and she was also active in the field. This is a 40-year member. This isn’t someone who came in off the street. I don’t know what level she got to be. But she’s an active, participating member. This is the result? People give their lives to Scientology, and it uses them up and abandons them,” she says.

But she points out that it’s an important difference that Barbara’s husband is apparently with her. “It’s not Lisa McPherson, she’s not alone,” Nancy says.

Still, Nancy is as concerned as the other people who have been trying to help out Arlene Cordova, and she agrees that pressure on Scientology is important to convince the church to reveal where Barbara is and what condition she’s in.

Arlene tells us that’s what she’s hoping for, whatever her daughter’s intentions.

“I’m not asking her to leave Scientology. But not only do I want to hear from her, I want to see her.”

 
UPDATE: We heard from numerous readers this morning who suggested that if Barbara Cordova is in Tennessee, she may be at a facility calling itself Life Center for a New Tomorrow, which bills itself as an “alternative to psychiatric treatment.” We called its owner, Marc Vallieres, and asked if Barbara was staying there, but Vallieres said that he isn’t allowed to discuss who is taking treatment at his center, per Department of Health Services rules.

We assume he’s correct about that. However, he then suggested that if we wanted more information about Barbara, we should call Celebrity Centre International.

So you know about her? We asked. Yes, he said, he knew about her and we should call Celebrity Centre.

We thought that was an interesting response. (We called the Celebrity Centre on Sunday and we were passed around to a couple of people before we were hung up on.)

 
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SuperBowl48More details about Scientology’s Super Bowl ad

On Sunday, we told you about receiving a flier which confirmed that Scientology is, for the second year in a row, planning to run one of its slick ads during the Super Bowl. Now, a tipster has forwarded to us another flier that gives more detail about Scientology’s plans.

Here are the specifics: Starting on the 13th of January — the ad will begin playing on Prime Time TV in every US city with an Ideal Org. They may not start simultaneously in every city on that day, but it will roll out very fast (and in some cases, may even start earlier).

Specifically it will play in: Tampa & Clearwater, New York and Harlem, Buffalo, Washington DC, Nashville, Cincinnati, Dallas, Twin Cities, Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Bay Area, Sacramento, Seattle, Portland.

The flier goes on to say that the ad will air not only during the Super Bowl but also during the Winter Olympics. And it reveals that the ad campaign’s main objective is to direct people to Ideal Orgs…

DIRECTING PUBLIC TO OUR IDEAL ORGS: When people visit www.scientology.org the new ad will be right there. When someone clicks to watch it, at the end, the image of their nearest Ideal Org appears with an invitation to come in for a tour. The address and phone number of the org also shows up along with a map of how to get there…For any person who is not located near an Ideal Org, they will be offered the option to start an on-line course.

Another thing that caught our eye was the reference to Scientology’s big Internet play. Here’s how they describe it…

YouTube HOME PAGE TAKE-OVER: This year the Scientology Spiritual Technology ad will be placed on the US YouTube homepage for a full 24 hours where it will be the ONLY ad appearing. This is what is called a “YouTube home page take-over.”

No date is given, so we have to assume the YouTube takeover will happen on Super Sunday. At least, we’ll check to see if it happens that day.

 
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Spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam

 
Finally, we caught this tweet last night by Monty Python’s Eric Idle…

 
If we’re not mistaken, this is the result of a campaign by reader Media Lush who has been trying to make the Pythons aware that a man named John Wood — who has been portrayed as the comedy troupe’s biggest fan — is also one of the UK’s most fervent Scientologists.

Looks like that campaign has hit paydirt.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 21, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Zeeeeeemu

    @John Wood, Scientology victim and fan of LRH: “He’s not the Messiah; he’s a very naughty boy!”

    • InterestedinCrazy

      The Twitter comments on Eric Idle’s twitter are worth reading. Great great giggles.

  • media_lush

    Updated the Eric Idle/John Wood story

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

  • Lord Xenu, OT XV

    Cast of Monty Python version of the “Life of Scientology”

    PONTIUS PILATE: played by David Miscavige

    CENTURIONS: The Church of Scientology International executives

    BIGGUS DICKUS: Tom Cruise ๐Ÿ™‚

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jow34DFZ18k

  • Great White Clam

    Damn. Am I too late for the sock hunt?
    I’ve got my trusty blue ticks and conch!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      The Moths ate the socks.
      How about some Ice Cream?

      • aegerprimo

        Too cold. How about pie?

        • NOLAGirl

          I made peanut butter pancakes if you’d like some. ๐Ÿ˜€

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Oooh…my mom made pancakes for my Daddy every morning.
            He put peanut butter and Honey on them most days…………..YUM!

            • NOLAGirl

              I put peanut butter chips in the batter, my boys love it. ๐Ÿ™‚ Of course, they love it anytime I do a “breakfast for dinner” night. lol

            • Eclipse-girl

              I grew up where we got maple syrup.
              It is one of the only times I really want the cloying sweetness of maple syrup.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Pie works for me!!
          Please make it savory……..Like a quiche!

      • Great White Clam

        Any of that blackberry stuff left over for on top of it?
        ๐Ÿ™‚

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Black as the heart of the cob…. was this sugarplum’s pie?

          http://i.imgur.com/rf28w04.jpg

          • Great White Clam

            That’s it!

            Now drool.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I thought stillgrace posted that.

          • aquaclara

            Stillgrace made a thing of beauty here. YUM. YUM. YUM.
            Thanks, Stillgrace!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Conch!!!…need fritters!

      • Artoo45

        Conch taco fritters . . .

    • OrangySky

      No sock hunts allowed. You heard Tony!

      • Sherbet

        Until the next time. Sheesh. ๐Ÿ™

      • Snippy_X

        They are having baby socks right now. No hunting the baby socks. We have to wait till autumn.

        • Great White Clam

          Well if and when the season opens again, I’m sure Tony-O will let us know.

    • Axton
    • Gabbyone

      No reason to look for the sock. It got lost in the wash.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    OK. I just realized we have a bunker test.
    If I say: Taco Bitches……………!!!!
    How many of you know what to make of that?

    • Eclipse-girl

      You are demanding dinner?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ok……………sit back EC……..You may have some insight.;-)

    • Great White Clam

      Hawt dawg! I sure am hungry! Got any mexican coffee?

    • Sherbet

      I’m on a diet, Bury. And now I’m fantacizing a taco fest.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Sherbet……I am trying to go on a diet too.
        head down……..I a failure..most days.!!

        • Sherbet

          Me, too. The heck with my glucose and cholesterol! Bring on the tacos. And guacamole.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Don’t forget the hot sauce ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Sherbet

              Goes without sayin’.

            • Kitz

              Nah… Hatch chiles!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • MissWog

      BTN, is this a Sec Check? ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Maybe? Pick up the Cans MW!!!~ ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • MissWog

          Turn the cameras on and I’ll meet you in the room after I pay the Reg with my newly increased Amex credit ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Ardent

      Breaking Bad meets Taco Bell?

      • Axton

        That sounds like heaven to me

    • NOLAGirl

      I’ll admit. I’m lost on that one. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Lulz,…..she how new u r? But u cool

        • NOLAGirl

          LOL Thanks Bury. I’ll just keep my newb comments to myself until I catch on. ; )

        • Robert Eckert

          I’ve been around longer than you, but have no idea what you are getting at.

    • SandiCorrena

      Now I’m daydreaming about Tacos…..sigh
      And regarding all ya’lls diets, you all are PERFECT how you are!

    • Couch_Incident

      Sausage bastards?

    • Axton

      Are you referring to the volume of the Nutterpedia: L Ron Hubbard, Inventor of the Burrito?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ha, see! Ya’ll don’t know Taco tech?

        posers!,!

        • Axton

          Meanie

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Don’t you go Marcab on me! ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Axton

              I have no idea what you mean

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Hint? Stella Artois!

            • Snippy_X

              I quit. stomping away. stomp. stomp. muttering so not fair stomp stomp.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Lol, no stomping, snippy!

            • Snippy_X

              yes stomping! bin here since vv – no capes and no secret handshakes

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              But you know them! You just don’t know you know them!

            • Snippy_X

              omg now u torture

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Call me…. I will share the Vulcan mind meld!
              Try on Saturday! I got a class on Sunday.

            • Snippy_X

              Roger that. Man thx, I was getting stressed.

    • Snippy_X

      Lions 1 Christians Zip.

    • Snippy_X

      Who sells sea shells by the sea shore?

    • EnthralledObserver

      No fair… the tacos happen when I’m sleeping and I rarely have time to read all about them.

      • Axton

        Tacos happen

  • Suppressive Tomato

    “I’m not a Scientologist and I’m not here to defend the Church of Scientologyยฎ. But you people on this blog are all crazy because LRH technology is the only solution for a sane planet and everyone should do it or at least not criticize it.” SAYS. EVERY. OSA. TROLL. EVER.

    • Sarah James

      OSA trolls scohb, everyone knows this.

      • Suppressive Tomato

        To be fair S-ing C is something that most people appreciate, either as the recipient or provider. Very few people appreciate OSA babblings.

        • Sarah James

          lol

  • Sarah James

    I am amazed that the same problems and lack of solutions have continually played out over the years in the cult of scientology. Lives are ruined or ended and this never changes.

    • Suppressive Tomato

      There’s not really a “learning” component in the mind of most Scientologists, it seems, or not in the sense that wogs understand the term. In Scientology, when you “learn” you’re not learning from experience, you’re duplicating something LRH wrote and accepting as truth. Overtime, this practice supplants what wogs would consider learning, which is a process of trial and error. This actually relates to my post just below. Every OSA bot that comes here basically has the same ineffective strategy. They just don’t learn!

      • Sarah James

        Scientology uses a menu. No real work. You get what you pay for but they tell you what that is and you better say you like it and how wonderfull it all is.

    • Ardent

      I’ve observed this, too, Sarah. In this instance, I am deeply concerned for the health of this woman, who by Steven’s account was well-meaning and kind. The fate of Lisa MacPherson haunts me. I hope some urgency is applied in the search and rescue of her.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Marc Vallieres is ex Sea Org, I know, I was a fellow TTC (Tech Training Corps) FSO member at the same time Marc and his then wife, Ingrid, got married, at the Fort Harrison, both were also on the FSO TTC at that time, That was 1976-77.

    Chuck Beatty
    ex OEC/FEBC Course Sup Flag 1977-1981
    ex Sea Org (1975-2003)
    866-XSEAORG

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      YaY? chuck!

  • woodrose

    This excellent post by NeverIn, Guide to Trolls, describes the various people who might be coming into the Bunker to disrupt and distract the conversation; I highly recommend everyone read it.

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/26/scientologys-2013-in-review-madness-set-in-as-spring-arrived/#comment-1180748867

    By understanding the characteristics of ill-intentioned posters, we can each be wary and alert and wisely choose to ignore and disengage from potential or obvious troublemakers.

    The final section of NeverIn’s post is a guide for posting and interacting while preventing the disrupters and attention-seekers from controlling the thread. Rule number one is stay on topic!

    I’m reprinting this section in full:

    How to Avoid Troll Traps
    1. Remember why you came here in the first place and stay on topic.
    2. Consider each others’ opinions about the topic at face value; agree or disagree with the opinion itself, not the source or whatever you think (or someone else suggests) their motives may be.
    3. If you aren’t interested in others’ personal lives, ignore those posts. If you are, enjoy them for the entertainment they are; just never let anyone else’s apparent candor and trust bait you into being unnecessarily candid or trusting.
    4. Don’t feed the trolls. When you suspect shenanigans, downvote, don’t engage.
    5. If you are being personally attacked, be careful that your response is not exactly what they want – don’t be baited into taking the low road, giving away personal info, trusting a stranger who seems to come to your aid, or leaving in a huff.
    6. If you believe someone else is being materially harmed by a troll, address that person, not the troll. Alert Tony if you think it necessary.

    Thanks to NeverIn for the information, I hope it’s OK to reprint. Read the full post here: http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/26/scientologys-2013-in-review-madness-set-in-as-spring-arrived/#comment-1180748867

    • Shannon

      More trolls today? Beh. Sometimes I like that being on the other side of the planet means I can pick and choose through the bulk of comments.

    • Ardent

      Very, very helpful Woodrose. Thank you for posting this.

    • Exterrier

      Thank you, and thank Neverin, Woodrose. I was developing my own rules,mso I did not engage or overreact, but this really covers it. Some folks are there to pick fights and condemn, or work out hostilities without an eye to the ultimate aim of ending the further harm and entrapment of people by Scientology.
      For example, Vilifying and crowing over the misfortunes of those trapped inside who have not awakened yet, as our fortunate and courageous friends Tory and Mike and Chuck and Karen and many others have, does not exactly exalt these proceedings, though it may scratch some wicked itch in some. I choose to ignore some of the lowspeak, so that it might wither.

  • Room 101

    Though a big part of me feels sorry for Barbara Oliver, It’s more just me shaking my head in disappointment. She should have known what she was doing. She was one of their main shills for decades. She helped destroy many lives. I grew up in LA. I knew who she was. A psychotic/nervous breakdown was, in a way, inevitable. This is basically her penance. I hope others take heed of this situation and realize they are not immune to the outcome. When you spend your life forwarding the aims of a money-hoarding crime syndicate, you may just lose your mind. Although I respect those who feel sorry for her, I for one think it is a well deserved comeuppance.

    • Axton

      Even smokers that get lung cancer deserve our sympathy and caring. She’s about the same. Except instead of damaging her body with tobacco abuse, she damaged her mind with Scientology.

      • Room 101

        I appreciate your sentiments, but I feel like every soldier they lose, no matter to what malady, is a win for me.

        • Axton

          I agree with that, but what make us better is compassion.

          • Room 101

            Cute. But what makes us better is logic.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Or maybe a combination of logic (which was always my mainstay) AND compassion (which was always my back-up) is what makes us be better … to each other.

              The truth is.. as the history of my posts here and at the VV before this venue existed, demonstrate:.
              I can go pretty far in either direction from time to time, and part of participating here is helping me to temper both ends of the spectrum.

              Which would I rather have people who love me say about me at the end of my life?
              She was LOGICAL!
              or
              She was COMPASSIONATE!

              The older I get, and the more experiences I enjoy/survive, the more I lean toward the latter option.

            • NOLAGirl

              Well said.

            • Snippy_X

              I don’t think we’re better.

            • NOLAGirl

              Maybe I read it wrong, but I took “what makes us better…to each other.” to mean how we treat each other here, not that we’re better than anyone. If I’m wrong I hope WIS will correct me.

            • MaxSpaceman

              WIS did mean ‘how we treat each other’ you got it right.

            • Snippy_X

              Yes, but before that we had

              Axton-> I agree with that, but what make us better is compassion.

              and

              Room 101-> Cute. But what makes us better is logic.

              “We” value both and we can be both. It’s very difficult to say what “they” value in their hearts, because for them, up is down. But “us” and “them” is tricky territory.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Right with all you said, except you’re on a different thread than I am.

              Nola was replying to W I S. I was replying to Nola about W I S said.

              And you were replying to Nola. But you were thinking of what Axton and Room were talking about.

              So- that’s why I said Nola was on the mark.

            • Snippy_X

              OK it’s one long column on my display. NP

            • MaxSpaceman

              Better in the sense you took it, Snippy, isn’t what is written.

              W I S said: “. . . is what makes us be better … to each other.”

              ‘Be’ better is the operative. Be = act. We ‘act better’ towards each other because of the compassion.

              Not- we’re better people. Jes’ sayin’ what was said.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              What loved ones will say of me at the end of my life: “The reception is going to be catered, right?”

            • Eclipse-girl

              WIS,
              you have always amazed me with your words.

              TY again

            • Axton

              Nicley said, WIS

            • Robert Eckert

              Patting yourself on the back for wanting to treat people well is not a substitute for actually doing so.

            • Room 101

              I appreciate your candor. But I have learned that compassion doesn’t work with these people. I was born and raised in it. They took everything from me. I give them about as much compassion as they have given me. Regularly.

            • Eclipse-girl

              please forgive my being brusque / forward… and long winded.

              I was raised in a effed up household. I know that as an adult.

              As an adult, I believe both parents should raise all their children with compassion and empathy. I also think there could an”instinct” for that emotional state

              Do you believe that your parents didn’t show compassion to their child, an infant?

              It is another thing that I find unimaginable as a never in.

              Sorry to be such as ass about asking personal questions

            • Room 101

              Yes, I do. Your questions are fine.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would give you (((HUGS))) and try to demonstrate what I think parent should be.

              Derek has warned me against that. you are an adult and perfectly capable. I just want to make sure that that it is not just efficiency, but a connection you make with individuals

              That you have overcome such an effed up childhood amazes me.

          • Ardent

            You are correct, Axton. Compassion is essential, and a huge differential between human and Scilon. However, by saying that I am not trying to ‘de-humanise’ the poor saps caught in Hubbard’s webs of lies and fear. I merely refer to the extraordinary lack of normal affect they display. See yesterday’s story of the mom who was ‘fine with’ her daughter’s blowing her brains out. Not a human or humane response. Every life has value.

            • Gerard Plourde

              “Compassion is essential, and a huge differential between human and Scilon.”

              You’ve hit on the greatest evil of the cult – it’s rejection of compassion. Although, I wouldn’t go so far as to deny Scientologists humanity, I agree that a person’s humanity is diminished when compassion is suppressed.

            • Axton

              “…a person’s humanity is diminished when compassion is suppressed.”

              I agree wholeheartedly! Nicely said.

      • MissWog

        It’s just all such a f’ing sad mess! I appreciate the smoker analogy..and I think of the children who’s parents smoke in their house/car and to me that is what $cn children must live through. More relates to yesterdays article but still wanted to make the point that the children of $cn, FLDS etc..never have options just like the child of a smoker (in the home) has a choice to live in a smoke free home.

        • Room 101

          I’m an ex. As well as being born into the cult. I have no sympathy for those who had a choice and took it on as their crusade and therefore contributed to helping ruin mine and my friend Tayler Tweed’s life. For those of you who were not in, enjoy your sympathy ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Axton

            We all hate the cult, Room101. Despite having sympathy, there’s a lot of activism here behind the scenes, and plus of course we all support Tony

            • Room 101

              I wholeheartedly support Tony. The exes who spent 40 years building up the cult can kiss my ass.

            • Axton

              It’s a conundrum, when so many of the exes are the key to bringing down the cult

            • Room 101

              I was a kid and I saw the light. Forgive me for being cocky but for those who it took decades for to break free are worthless humans to me. Anything effective they do is a bonus to me.

            • Axton

              Yeah, but if they are the main tools, we need to respect that to achieve the end goal

            • Room 101

              I won’t stop them, but they’re not getting any high fives on the way.

            • Sidney18511

              Room 101.. I understand your angst. I am glad your out and free. I don’t know what happened to you in the cult or if any of your family is still in, but, if you would like to tell us a little of your story, I, for one would like to hear about your journey.

            • Room 101

              It’s on the way.

            • Axton

              Awesome!

          • Gerard Plourde

            I understand your anger. You and Tayler were brutalized by the cult. Your anger against those who hurt you is justified. My only hope is that the anger doesn’t poison you and harden your heart. That route is a win for the cult because a hardened heart is what it seeks above all.

            • Axton

              Great point, Gerard. That would be a win for the cult.

            • Room 101

              I have a big heart. My family and friends get that. The cult and those who have supported it get my utmost hatred and all the intelligence I have with which to hurt them. We support the same cause. We go about it differently.

            • Gerard Plourde

              I can tell from your support of Tayler that your heart is big. Thanks also for recognizing that we’re on the same side. Keep in touch with this site so that when times come that it seems like you’re alone against the cult you can touch base and know that many people are rooting for you.

            • Room 101

              I appreciate your maturity in my moment of vitriol.

            • Gerard Plourde

              Thanks. Being old has some advantages. (At least that’s what I tell myself when my knees hurt and won’t bend as far as they used to.)

          • aquaclara

            My heart breaks for those kids who, like you,had ZERO say about becoming a part of Scientology. There is no excuse for those who allow kids to be dragged into this kind of hell.

          • MissWog

            I wrote a reply and watched my iPad circle and circle.. Then I refreshed and no reply, so I hope this posts and I apologize for the delay.
            I don’t know if I have sympathy or empathy..I just know I enjoy none of this and I care. I am here and this abuse is why. it’s easy for me to be a never in and speak out now that I know better.. I’d be shameful if I didn’t, because I know. If I don’t speak out it could be my BFF, my cousin, even my son..it could have been me.

    • Sarah James

      I am not going to argue, but I am so grateful for each and every person who gets out. Anyone who gets into scion seems to turn off their own judgement.

      • SandiCorrena

        Amazingly we see, over and over, all their goodness didn’t get completely smushed out or damaged beyond repair-like you I am very grateful for our beautiful exes!

  • media_lush

    before bollocks there was…..

    • Shannon

      I just looked at your site with all the Monty Python stuff, damn you are thorough! Well done sir/ma’am/platypus I am very impressed!

      • Eclipse-girl

        Media Lush did a great job. Kudos to Media Lush

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      Quite an amazing piece of investigative work; hats off to you! I’m sure the Python boys are much appreciative of your efforts…I love that they don’t suffer Scientology fools lightly!

    • Great White Clam

      Wait.

      Media_lush is a platypus?

      Well, then, THAT explains everything!

      !

      • Shannon

        They are wily, clever little fellows!

  • Ardent

    Just want to thank Media_lush for the Python project, and the continuing goodness of scientologybollocks. Very good work.

  • MissWog

    I have a question and I am trepidatious to ask..yet, here goes: I see up votes with names or guest but not down votes.. Is this bc I am on my iPad? Or does Discus not reveal the names of those who down vote? Honestly asking with the best of intention ๐Ÿ™‚

    • SandiCorrena

      Down votes are anonymous

      • MissWog

        Thank you SandiCorrena!
        I see a lot of up votes today with “guest” and I was thinking maybe other ESMB folks are getting their toes wet here in the Bunker and that led me to wonder who are these down voters after all ๐Ÿ™‚
        Hey ESMB’ers… xoxo

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          You have to be logged in to down vote, though. You can up vote as “Guest” without logging in.

          • MissWog

            I have been wondering if there is a sudden influx of guest upvotes?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No. They are always around. Often times, if you refresh the page, you’ll notice that many of the Guest votes are not Guest votes at all. They just displayed as Guest at first.

            • Suzy

              Yes, sometimes my upvote shows “Guest” then switches to “Suzy” later. Disqus is a twitchy critter.

            • Axton

              Sometimes half of the upvotes are Guest votes

            • Sidney18511

              No, there has always been massive guest up voters, so much so….it suprised me when I first checked.

            • Robert Eckert

              As Jimmy says, Disqus does not update the identity of the upvoters reliably on your page. Upvotes that have happened since you last refreshed the thread won’t show right.

    • Annee

      I, too, asked a couple of questions. You can witness for yourself what happens to some who dare to comment here.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Yes. Please witness how she asked a question, received a prompt answer, then wrote a polite thank you. Ruthless crowd here.

        • MissWog

          I’ve been around since VV..I was an original member of the Rodeo..flame me at will ๐Ÿ™‚ I was hesitant to ask bc I don’t want to fuel the down vote conversation that Tony commented on. But, Annee, I feel more comfortable at ESMB bc I prefer the layout of a “forum” or “bullietn board”
          Annee, don’t be discouraged by the reception you think you were given..maybe find the format or forum that allows you your voice to speak your best! I don’t know what your reception here was, but I will take a gander at your posts in a minute, although I can say after three years, these people posting are good people.. Lurk and learn, the tried and true are everyday folk here on the regular.
          THIS IS WHY! ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I’m thinking your reply was meant for Annee. I wasn’t flaming you ๐Ÿ™‚

            • MissWog

              I was joking at the flame me comment ๐Ÿ™‚ none of you flame me ๐Ÿ™‚ I was joking. My reply was written for Annee, my OP about flaming was light hearted. I’ve been gone for MONTHS from here (having a baby and posting on ESMB) so just my attempt at humor for the Old Guard who remember me.

            • Eclipse-girl

              congrats on being a mother. It is a challenging time. give you and your babe the time you you need.

            • MissWog

              Thank you EC ๐Ÿ™‚ I have and that is why I have not been posting! Every day still reading but not posting. We have our groove so I’m back..for the most part ๐Ÿ™‚

          • MaxSpaceman

            Funny how tastes differ. I *wish* I felt more comfortable on a ‘forum’ or bulletin board-type layout. Just the opposite- I’m more comfortable on this layout. I don’t get around well on esmb. I guess need to practice. *So* glad you’re back, ‘old guard’ original Rodeo member!

            • MissWog

              Sorry, not trying but yes trying to qualify myself there ๐Ÿ™‚

            • MaxSpaceman

              I was on V V for a long time as a Tony O reader. Runnin’ Scared was my favorite online read. I loved that work Tony did there. But, never commented. Never had on any board commenting experience except website building forums, tech stuff. Didn’t know there was a Rodeo. Didn’t know there was an old guard.

            • MissWog

              There is not an old guard…a comment was made about an old guard so I was playing off that.. See I don’t do well in this format ๐Ÿ™ and every reply gets buried and the replies to posts seem muddled.
              This is a place to comment on an article not deep dive. I see I have replies to my comments but when I click the link it does not take me to the comment..so I am missing replies.. If you were kind enough to comment on my comment, and you see this comment, and I did not reply I apologize! I am iPad challenged.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Ha- me2. I gave up the iPad for Bunker surfing cuz it was so cumbersome. It’s drudgery enuf with a 64-bit, 16 gig RAM, 1 Terabyte computer. It’s disqus that makes it weird.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Nice computer specs, Max!

            • grundoon

              Try sorting by Oldest or Newest instead of Best.

            • Axton

              “Old Guard” is not a phrase I like, but it just refers to the old VV readers, and since you were there, that makes you one too!

              The Rodeo was important for people who got addicted to commenting at Tony’s Bunker at the VV, who just needed a commonplace to talk after he left. But obviously that wasn’t investigative journalism, like we have here.

            • Robert Eckert

              Actually, “Old Guard” is a term used by Anonymous for the people who were protesting Scientology from before the Tom Cruise video leak and Project Chanology.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Then that makes me old guard.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I was going to say that the brave men and women from a.r.s are the Old Guard, but I remembered that they are actually the Doddering Old Guard. Different group entirely.

            • MaxSpaceman

              By George, I think I’ve got it ! I think I’ve got it !
              thanks for the tip, Ax.!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Ditto, me too.

          • Axton

            I agree, I prefer the forum format

          • PoisonIvyHerself

            Always nice to see you here Miss Wog.

            • MissWog

              Thank you PI <3

          • grundoon

            Annee just happened to wander in at a time when a few of the Bunkerites were in sort of a demented catfish frenzy. She and some others were greeted with unfounded accusations, downvotes, sec checking and lower conditions. It’s amazing to see never-ins acting like paranoid HCO types.

      • WhereIsSHE

        So far, I think she got two on-point answers (thanks to Kemist and E-girl), and a sort of “experiential” answer from someone else (me).
        I hope she feels like her question was answered and that she can continue to pose questions here.
        Not sure why you don’t feel like you can, but far be it from me to know what you have experienced here.

        It seems to me that you must be interested in the main topic, and the forum, so why not just give this group another shot and see how it goes?
        Many of us have our own ups and downs here.
        It’s sort of like a relationship in that sense: wonderful and fabulous and entertaining and lovable… but.. also… sometimes .. challenging and difficult.

        The older I get, the more I am able to more rapidly get over the challenging and difficult parts.
        It’s a great “side effect” of the aging process.

      • Eclipse-girl

        You have received nice responses from others.

        It is not my style to be harsh, but blunt??? Well maybe?

        I will advice you that if you are an indie, this may not be the place for you.
        You will not be able convince us or most of us that “the tech works.”

        You have a right to your belief system as long as you do not harm others, particularly children.

        Just do not tell me that there is science to support your belief system

    • kemist

      No, nothing to do with iPad.

      Downvotes are anonymous.

    • Eclipse-girl

      No one knows who does the down votes.

      • Mooser

        I know who does my down-votes. Mean, dirty low-down types, the kind of people who get a kick out of making a grown man cry. Some nights I need a rubber pillow-case.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I down vote you every time you use some obscure, antiquated word and I have to look it up. Damn you and your vocabulary.

          • Axton

            Doubleplus unagree

          • Graham

            “Damn you and your vocabulary”.

            May I offer my most enthusiastic contrafibularities? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08

            • InterestedinCrazy

              Favourite. They were geniuses. I want to be Queenie.

        • Jon Hendry

          Put your pillow in your clean pair of rubber underpants.

        • Candygram

          ROFWKL. Translation: Rolling on floor with kitties, laughing.

    • WhereIsSHE

      I can’t speak authoritatively on that, because I am just another person who comments here.
      I have certainly up-voted many posts, be they insightful, inspiring, intelligent or just plain funny/entertaining, but I think I have only down-voted anyone on very few occasions, none of which (my votes) had anything to do with something about scientology.
      Hope that helps you.

    • Robert Eckert

      Disqus does not reveal the identity of the down-voters.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      I get downvoted all the time!! I actually encourage it at this point, as long as people leave a comment. Then again, I also make mean jokes, drug references, use occasional profanity, and I’m part black. Its a multiple choice downvote scenario.

      • MissWog

        LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Axton

        I don’t see what race has to do with it

      • Robert Eckert

        And solicit money.

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Maybe a silly question, but had a look at the site Tony posted (Artists for a better world) and can see that many artists are posting their work on there from around the world in the hopes they will be ‘dissevered’ or that their work will build up a loyal following.

    I’m assuming that all the contributors are not Scientologists but do you reckon they know the background of the AFABW? I see Barbara came to a conference here in Ireland in 2010 and was a guest speaker. It’s tough enough to make it as a working artists in the world and most people would never question a group called ‘Artists for a Better World”…I wonder what the format of their exhibitions is. Do they try to recruit the artists themselves or the people who come for the performance/exhibition?

    I would hazard a guess that most artists registering and putting up their work don’t know it’s a $ci front group and hopefully they’ll figure it out when they start getting strange flyers in the mail!

    From their site:

    “July 28th, 2013 โ€” Nashville, TN: Several musicians in Nashville, Tennessee have taken the AFABW Pledge to The Arts and adopted it for the Musicians In Action Guild. Formed in 2009, the Musicians In Action Guild is a Gung-Ho group affiliated with the Church of Scientology in Nashville.

    The Guild is now in its fifth season of delivering quality showcases, concerts and benefits for no charge to attendees. Additionally, the Guild has supported the many music and personal improvement seminars given at Celebrity Centre Nashville over the last four years.

    Now that the Guild has been recognized with a Federal โ€˜Charitable Organizationโ€™ status the following projects are authorized for immediate funding to support its continuance and expansion.

    My bolding. Another tax-dodging money making racket!! Oddly enough, funny, many artists are tax exempt already in Ireland.

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/it/reliefs/artists-exemption.html

  • Hobson’sChoice

    Apologies…. this is off topic and I may be repeating what everyone already knows. Hubby and I sat down to watch mindless network tv that was recorded on our DVR. We decided to watch the CBS sitcom, Mom, which typically airs on Monday nights. It is a Chuck Lorre creation, production, direction. One of the characters was talking ‘smack’ about another character and said, “Yeah, and now he’s on the Scientology mailing list… thanks to me!”

  • Richard Lloyd-Roberts

    I know her well from my days at CC Int. If they decide she is PTS type 3 or their version of psychotic she is going to be held in isolation until the MAA in charge is convinced that she is not a threat to the church. No feelings for her of course. There will be no medical interference. Barbara was a rational well meaning woman and good friend when I was on the CC Art projects there. I’ll pray that she gets out unscathed.

    • InterestedinCrazy

      Very sad. I hope she can get out as soon as possible.

    • Gerard Plourde

      I’ll join your prayer. She is in danger.

    • Axton

      “I’ll pray that she gets out unscathed.”

      Me too

    • Great White Clam

      Once she is no longer a threat, she may be quietly offloaded. But what if she knows too much?

    • SciWatcher

      In the real world one can be placed on a psychiatric hold for 72 hours if they’re deemed a danger to themselves or others. In Scientology one can be placed on an indefinite hold if they’re deemed a danger to the “church.”

      Insanity

  • Science Doc

    Is tomorrow another New Branfels day?

    • Sibs

      Oh shit, tomorrow is Wednesday, isn’t it?

    • Robert Eckert

      It’s supposed to be the Motion for Sanctions, which should be explosive. I wouldn’t be surprised if the schedule has changed to accommodate the Motion to Quash Notice of Deposition.

      • MaxSpaceman

        any idea what start time CSTime it’ll be?

        • Robert Eckert

          Court opens at 9 (=10 Eastern, 7 Pacific, 3PM Greenwich) but usually Waldrip has some other cases to clear away first.

          • MaxSpaceman

            oh right. thanx. So if it’s explosive, there should be reports all day? I get so behind on the job when the court days come up. Dang! Catch you 2morrow.

    • Sejanus

      I gotta admit court days are like Christmas to me…they just give and give.
      You have to admire Judge Waldrip for his long suffering of the clear (god I hate that word now you scilon pricks) abuse of the system the lawyers for the “church” engage in.
      Is it wrong to think when this case turns on Dildo Master it will finally be the beginning of the end of his reign? He had a good run for a dictator.
      As for Monique..all the best and strength to you as you make these clowns SCOHB.

  • MaxSpaceman

    An extract from an affidavit by Andre Tabayoyon

    41. I also observed a number of individuals go crazy when exposed to the Hubbard Tech even absent malicious intent on the part of the persons applying the Tech. For example, I saw John Colletto go psychotic after he was exposed to the OT III level (Operating thetan level III) materials. He got a pistol. In my presence, he shot his wife in the head. She died instantly. Then John ran a short distance before turning the pistol on himself and committing suicide. Moreover, John Travolta’s auditor told me of two occasions on which John Travolta went into deep depression after auditing and therefore suffered a psychotic break

    42. I personally observed a number of other Scientologists go crazy and commit suicide as a result of the auditing processes. Bob Shaffner and I were serving sentences on the RPF’s RPF together. Although inmates are not allowed to speak to each other while on the RPF’s RPF, Bob made it a point to tell me two or three times daily that he was going to kill himself because of what he experienced during RPF’s RPF & OT III auditing. One day we were working on dangerous machinery and Bob suddenly thrust his finger into the machine which cut his finger off. Scientology management was fully aware of Bob’s condition. He was placed on the risk of suicide list. Because he was suicidal, his berthing quarters while in the RPF were limited to first floor facilities. Whatever was done, if anything, to help Bob failed. He successfully committed suicide several years later.

    http://www.spaink.net/cos/mpoulter/worst/andre3.html

  • Sherbet

    Off topic — I was watching the weather report tonight, since there’s a blizzard going on where I am, and across the bottom of the screen was a running list of schools that have cancelled classes for tomorrow. I noticed Delphi Academy. I didn’t know there was a Delphi Academy in MA. Well, there is, in Milton, which is a fairly affluent suburb of Boston. According to the greatschools.org website, students are as follows: 43% black, 35% white, 17% Asian, and 5% Hispanic, which is completely out of whack from the state’s ethnic enrollment profile. Also on that site are twenty 5-star reviews (none less than 5 stars) allegedly from parents, going back to 2005. The site says the school is a private, non-sectarian school “serving 150 students in grades PK-8.” So that’s 150 kids getting a dumb, lrh-based education.

    • Gerard Plourde

      Not only that. According to the web site tuition is between $12,600 and $13,000 for the pleasure of being subjected to Hubbard’s “Study Tech”.

      • Sherbet

        Then the ethnic mix is very intriguing, because Milton is next to Dorchester, a part of Boston which has some of the poorest black families in the state. I’m guessing the students were recruited from Dorchester with the promise that a private school would provide a better education than an overcrowded city school. It’s all guesses, but it’s interesting to me.

        Edit: “Each classroom houses its own library containing hundreds of books suited to that class’ particular age and reading level.” I wonder who the author(s) might be…

        • Snippy_X

          That’s so sad.

        • L.L. Cantare J

          Can Delphi get money from the state for admitting low-income kids?

          • Sherbet

            Good question, LL. I wonder.

      • Zaphod Beeblebrox

        I wouldn’t even do Study Tech if I was the one being paid!

    • Davka

      Someone I knew someone who sent their kids there – it was only after I started to read TO that I put two and two together and realized it was a Sci school.

      • Sherbet

        I was under the impression that sci kids go to sci schools, but I can see I was wrong. What was your friends’ experience? Were they 5-star-delighted with it?

        • Davka

          I’m not sure – I knew they were very happy with it for their kids, and then sent them to Oregon, to what I now assume is the Delphian School out there . I really didn’t think much of it at the time, except I got the impression it was an “alternative” school. I also realized after the fact via Google that they were probably Scientologists, which dismayed me to no end. I’d be curious to know what our dear Commonwealth thinks of it, but I really don’t know.

          • Sherbet

            They’re having an Open House in February. Wish I had the guts to attend! If you go, let me know what you find out. ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Davka

              Ha! Not likely – Milton’s a little far unless I’m coming home from IKEA, and somehow, don’t think I’m sending the little miss to Delphi……

            • Sherbet

              Good plan, for her sake.

            • ParticleMom

              Sherbet, I’ll go with you. I have a 2 school age kids, it could be legit. (Not in a billion years!)

            • Sherbet

              Sure, ParticleMom. Let’s go! (Not in a billion years…or a Sea Org contract length!)

        • grundoon

          Few Scientologists can afford to send their kids to Scn schools.

    • L.L. Cantare J

      I thought the only Delphi* Scientology school was the one in Oregon, so when I came across Delphi Academy in MA while hearsaying a while back, I thought the name was just coincidence. Gee, I feel dumb now. There’s a whole “Study Technology” page on their site, and even just eyeing some of the headings now, I notice all the telling keywords like “ethics” and “checksheets.”

    • Captain Howdy

      All the times i saw it on the school closings crawl I never made the connection. I wonder why they have their Northeast clam incubator in MA. and not N.Y.

      • Great White Clam

        Teh real clams are bettah theah.

    • ParticleMom

      I had no idea. I grew up in the next town over.

      Check out the “Giving” page – no doubt it is Scientology:

      Start or move up in your Delphi Donor Status to help fund scholarships to assist other students to experience a Delphi education or make a donation for school and facility improvements:

      o Delphi Benefactor ($50,000+)
      o Delphi Future Builder ($25,000 – $49,999)
      o Delphi Green & Gold Society ($10,000 – $24,999)
      o Delphi Honor Roll ($5,000 – $9,999)
      o Delphi Sponsor ($1,000 – $4,999)
      o Delphi Associate ($250 – $999)
      o Friends of Delphi ($50 – $249)

    • ParticleMom

      I had no idea. I grew up in the next town over.

      Check out the “Giving” page – no doubt it is Scientology:

      Start or move up in your Delphi Donor Status to help fund scholarships to assist other students to experience a Delphi education or make a donation for school and facility improvements:

      o Delphi Benefactor ($50,000+)
      o Delphi Future Builder ($25,000 – $49,999)
      o Delphi Green & Gold Society ($10,000 – $24,999)
      o Delphi Honor Roll ($5,000 – $9,999)
      o Delphi Sponsor ($1,000 – $4,999)
      o Delphi Associate ($250 – $999)
      o Friends of Delphi ($50 – $249)

      • Sherbet

        Ha! Where do I send my check, ParticleMom?

    • Candygram

      VERY interesting… in the entirety and its parts.

  • Sarah James

    Someone may have already pointed this out. Five Ways Growing Up Inside Scientology Was A Nightmare. Spot on. Can be found in Tony’s tweets.

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox

      Read that – very interesting. Just proves that, by reading articles like that, people know that Scientology is to be avoided.

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    Every time the new Apple ad plays I think “Scientology” due to that mashup. Sorry, Apple, I know you spent a lot of money on it, but the spot has spoiled.

    • Troy MacGyver

      Apple had those old theme ads before. The STIKING PILE OF XENUITES copied it just like they merged Narcotics anonymous into, Narcanon.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Yeah, I’m talking about the mashup with the Scientology audio over the Apple video.

  • valshifter

    Once person is unstable in the case of a psychotic breakdown, is almost a trend that scientology will hide the person till they see them dead and gone. is almost intentionally to hide the person till she dies without help of any kind. are they ashamed that the modern science of mental health is not working on their own staff, is it because OT powers do not exist, are they afraid of being wrong? are they afraid of bad PR? this freaking cult is unacceptable on every level, it needs to stop, is just like cancer on society, everything ends in DEAD with them, scientology’s end product is DEATH is horrible.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Scientology Tools For Actors! Audition Class! Only $5!

    • Great White Clam

      They be better off selling soul to the devil.

    • Andrew Robertson

      It must be a misprint, Dodo! Nothing in Scientology costs only $5. That’s totally out-exchange.

      Andrew

      • DodoTheLaser

        True. That’s why one will be offered to buy a book/course, etc.,
        afterwards, while having refreshments after class.

      • Great White Clam

        Officially, what is the cheapest thing they sell?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Probably “non-profit” The Way To Happiness brochure.

          • Great White Clam

            I thought I saw they were selling those in huge quantities?

            Prorating an intensive in nanoseconds might do it.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Yes and no. You can buy a single copy or a bundle or get it for free during a photo shoot in Haiti. It’s complicated like that.

    • YSYSYSYSYS

      I’m having so much fun looking around this guys body of work.

      http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1042758/?ref_=tt_cl_t1

      He’s “known for” 3 movies before 2009 I’ve never heard of and a bunch of what appear to be Z list one episode roles. He acts, writes and produces. Triple threat! I’d totally spend $5 to learn from this master. lol

      • DodoTheLaser

        But he was in House Bunny and he’s a handsome devil!

        • YSYSYSYSYS

          Yeah, under the character name “karaoke trio”. But you’re right, he does have a powerfully compelling stare… almost… hypnotic. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • DodoTheLaser

            Too bad he didn’t get an audition in a new Robocop movie.
            Seriously, he should go after some solid action movies, instead of delivering $5 classes.

            • Great White Clam

              In Hollywood there are worse things he could be delivering for $5 than classes.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Ha! But do they get commissions?

      • Great White Clam

        What about Free Willy?

        I saw this mysterious comment somewhere in the bowels of wikipedia:

        “I saw this movie on the TV guide and it listed the orphaned girl as Mike Falkow. Naturally I thought this was strange so I looked into it. The orphaned girl is definitely not Mike Falkow, but I keep seeing images of this movie tied to that name. Does anyone know what this Mike Falkow had to do with the film?”

        • YSYSYSYSYS

          “Free Willy: Escape from Pirates Cove,” starring Bindi Irwin, Beau Bridges, Mike Falkow, Bongolethu Mbutuma, Siyabulela Ramb. Also known as “Free Willy: South Africa” and “Free Willy 4,”

          http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1042758/news?ref_=nm_nwr_1#ni1744594

          Cinematic masterpiece.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Well, he is not in the trailers I’ve seen. He didn’t list it on IMDB either. Except the trailers.

          • DodoTheLaser

            His website: http://www.mikefalkow.com/

            Oh, wait! He was in Free Willy 4! As a Voice: http://www.mikefalkow.com/resume/

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              That homepage. Serious actor is serious!

              Resume: Free Willy 4. Role “Voice”

              Sign me up! Will the after course refreshments be hot or cold?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Free Willy 4!!! Holy shit! That’s only 3 movies after everyone assumed Willy is now free and stopped caring.

            • DodoTheLaser

              May be Willy has 3 brothers?! They want to be free too, you know.
              Also, at least one of them had to be voiced.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              If I were a whale tricked into starring in a Free Willy sequel, my dolphin lawyers and I would be seeing those fools in Sea Court.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Are you trying to SLAPP a whale?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I don’t know what I was trying to do. That’s up there amongst the dumbest things I’ve ever said.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Same goes for me. Just a word association type of thing. Must go to clear more words.

            • Mooser

              Jimmy, I think we share the same principles on the right to humor life! Yes, I believe that any joke which is conceived, should be delivered, and given a chance at life. Your joke exemplifies that fine principle.

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              Well played, Sir.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you, your Honor!

            • YSYSYSYSYS

              I doff my hat to you and bid you a goodnight. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You’re new here?

            • Sydjazz

              He is willy’s voice?

    • EnthralledObserver

      In all of the old $ci films they use ‘tools’ for actors… just sayin’

      • DodoTheLaser

        I wonder if Mike Falkow replaced Larry Anderson in the new Orientation film…

    • Sydjazz

      Never heard of him

  • grundoon

    2009 WWP thread has lots of info on Life Center for a New Tomorrow

  • Sydjazz

    This is so sad.

  • richelieu jr

    Interesting how they are making ad buys to support the Ideal Orgs which are supposed to be the solution…

    If any new folks come in, you can bet they won’t be thinking the ad agency, but corny ol’ CoB and his brilliant “Apple Stores for Shit no One Wants” strategy…

  • richelieu jr

    You gotta wonder where John Wood got the idea that you could just steal a bunch of people’s ideas, add a bunch of unworkable nonsense and charge for it.

  • Candygram

    Nancy Many is definitely a voice of reason, however, I’d be nervous about the assertion that Barbara’s husband is 1) with her 2) able/willing to assure her well-being.

    • Exterrier

      I agree. Remember how the Yvonne Jentzsh illness was handled, where her daughter, who was the only one interested in saving her life, was transferred away to Flag, I believe, by LRon himself, assuring that she would be disposed of quietly. At this point she is a “flap” for them, especially since she has made the blogs now. The only way to save her at this point might just be to keep the issue alive, as is being done a bit with Shelly McSavage. Let’s keep asking about her.

  • Whoknew

    The commercial also showed in Houston last week during The Bachelor. Houston doesn’t have an Ideal org. The show did air at the same time as the game. Weird. Maybe an assumption was made that the large international population would be more likely to watch a reality show than American football…and I have suspected for awhile that the church is eager to get its mitts on new immigrants. They’re doing a poor job of it so far.

  • Dr.Brave help me to save my marriage today

    An amazing testimony on a spell caster who brought my wife back to me,my name is William David,i live in Maryland/USA,and I’m happily married to a lovely and caring wife,with two kids.A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my wife.so terrible that she took the case to court for a divorce.she said that she never wanted to stay with me again,and that she didn’t love me anymore.So she packed out of my house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get her back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and she confirmed it that she has made her decision,and she never wanted to see me again.So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my wife.So i explained every thing to her,so she told me that the only way i can get my wife back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for her too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow her advice. Then she gave me the email address of the spell caster whom she visited.{bravespellcaster@gmail.com}So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address she gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my wife back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my wife who didn’t call me for the past seven {3}months,gave me a call to inform me that she was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how she came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and she apologized for her mistake,and for the pain she caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster.So,i will advice you out there to kindly visit the same website http://bravespellcaster.yolasite.com,if you are in any condition like this,or you have any problem related to “bringing your ex back. So thanks to the bravespellcaster@gmail.com for bringing back my wife,and brought great joy to my family once again. {bravespellcaster@gmail.com} Thanks..

    • Jimmy3

      Barbara Cordova Oliver is missing again. Do you think the spellcaster Dr. Brave might be able to help?

  • stacey Bruno

    I never believed in love spells or magic until I met this spell caster once when i went to see my friend in Indian this year on a business summit. I meant a man who’s name is Dr ATILA he is really powerful and could help cast spells to bring back one’s gone, lost, misbehaving lover and magic money spell or spell for a good job or luck spell .I’m now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 5 weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 3years. I really loved him, but his mother was against us and he had no good paying job. So when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him. At first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try. And in 7 days when i returned to Canada, my boyfriend (now husband) called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married. I didn’t believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do. Well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid, and my husband also got the new job and our lives became much better. His email is atilahealinghome@yahoo.com

  • Stephanie Loving

    Life Center for New Tomorrow … Rates page

    “Rates

    The basic cost for the program is $2000 per week. This includes a
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    Guest should have an allowance, especially if he/she smokes.

    If the guest breaks any furniture or damages the property, the person
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  • How I was able to get my husband back from those home breaker

    My name is Mrs. Rebecca Lonan. I am from California,United States,I’ married to Mr. Greg Lonan, i am hear to give testimony of how i got back my husband, we got married for more than 9 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster, i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce.then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they casted the spell and after 2 days my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still love me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that Dr Brave casted on him that make him comeback to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you Dr Brave for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want you my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend, ex lover and girlfriend to contact Dr Brave with this via EMAIL:bravespellcaster@gmail.com or kindly visit he website http://enchantedscents.tripod.com/lovespell/ , and you will see that your problem will be solved without any delay.

  • john

    My name is yurich jerry am from USA. i want to use this opportunity to thank my great doctor who really made my life a pleasurable one today. This great man DR.Ogboni brought my husband back to me, i had three lovely kids for my husband, about four years ago i and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me for one lady. i felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. i tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, until one day i met a good friend of mine that was also in a situation like me but her problem was her ex-boyfriend who she had an unwanted pregnancy for and he refused to take responsibility and dumped her. she told me that mine was a small case and that i should not worry about it at all, so i asked her what was the solution to my problems and she gave me this great man email address. i was doubting if this man was the solution, so i contacted this great man and he told me what to do and i deed them all, he told me to wait for just two day and that my husband will come crawling on his kneels just for forgiveness so i faithfully deed what this great man asked me to do and for sure after two days i heard a knock on the door, in a great surprise i saw him on his kneels and i was speechless, when he saw me, all he did was crying and asking me for forgiveness, from that day, all the pains and sorrows in my heart flew away,since then i and my husband and our lovely kids are happy.that’s why i want to say a big thank you to DR.Ogboni spiritual temple. This great man made me to understand that there is no problem on earth that has no solution so please if you know that you have this same problem or any problem that is similar, i will advise you to come straight to this great man. you can email him at: ogbonispelitemple@hotmail.com

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  • Natasha Johnson

    How to Save Your Relationship And Marriage from Divorce or broke up

    An amazing testimony on a spell caster who brought my husband back to me.. My name is Natasha Johnson,i live in Florida,USA,and I’m happily married to a lovely and caring husband ,with two kids.A very big problem occurred in my family seven months ago,between me and my husband .so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce.he said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn’t love me anymore.So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and he confirmed it that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my husband .So i explained every thing to him,so he told me that the only way i can get my husband back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for him too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow his advice. Then he gave me the email address of the spell caster whom he visited.{bravespellcaster@gmail.com}. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address he gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back the next day.What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me,and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my husband who didn’t call me for the past seven {7}months,gave me a call to inform me that he was coming back.So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So, i will advice you out there to kindly visit the same website { http://enchantedscents.tripod.com/lovespell/},if you are in any condition like this,or you have any problem related to “bringing your ex back. So thanks to the Dr Brave for bringing back my husband ,and brought great joy to my family once again. {bravespellcaster@gmail.com}, Thanks..

  • Adams Bella

    My name is Adams Bella, i live and work in Oxfordshire, UK. My life is back!!! After 2 years of Broken marriage, my husband left me with two kids, I felt like ending it all, i almost committed suicide because he left us with nothing, i was emotionally down all this while. Thanks to a spell caster called Dr.Trust of Ultimate spell cast which i met online. On one faithful day, as I was browsing through the internet, I came across several of testimonies about this particular spell caster. Some people testified that he brought their Ex lover back, some testified that he restores womb,cure cancer,and other sickness, some testified that he can cast a spell to stop divorce and also spell to get a good paid job so on. He is amazing, i also come across one particular testimony, it was about a woman called Vera, she testified about how he brought back her Ex lover in less than 2 days, and at the end of her testimony she dropped his email.After reading all these, I decided to give it a try. I contacted him via email and explained my problem to him. In just 48hours, my husband came back to me. We resolved our issues, and we are even happier than ever.Dr.Trust you are a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man. If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster, Try him anytime, he is the answer to your problems. you can contact him on (Ultimatespellcast@gmail.com or Ultimatespellcast@yahoo.com) or call him +2348156885231. he is the best caster that can help you with your problems.