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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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More trouble for Scientology fundraising and recruitment in Europe

StuttgartIOFor today’s story, we turned to our helpful translators again for assistance with another article from the German press.

This item appeared in the weekly publication Kontext and provided some interesting history of Scientology in Stuttgart, saying that the local Scientologists have actually been “on the sidelines” as plans to replace a drab, poorly situated org with a gleaming new Ideal Org in a better location have stumbled, and part of the reason involves a mysterious Israeli entity.

The magazine drew on information from Germany’s Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, which keeps a close eye on Scientology. Earlier this month, we told you that the agency reported that Scientology is all but dead in Berlin. But Stuttgart has remained an area with more adherents of the organization.

“Stuttgart is attractive for Scientology because it’s the center of an economically strong region,” the federal agency told Kontext.

“Scientology hopes for easier access to politicians, business leaders, and opinion leaders,” Kontext writes. “In addition, there is the promise of greater financial benefits.”

The existing org, the magazine explains, is in a backwater, and plans for a decade have included moving to a more visible spot for an upgraded “Ideal Org.”

In December 2010, Scientology spent 8 million euros for a commercial building at a busy intersection (see photo, above). A trade organization and a crafts association are in the same area or are planning construction, but neither had any idea that Scientology was planning to move in.

Scientology, it turns out, had been using a front to move into the area, and then ran into some troubles.

The company that purchased the new building was registered as “G. Stuttgart Properties, Ltd.” and was an Israeli entity. Its registered owner was a man named Gur Finkelstein.

Our longtime readers will recognize that name. Finkelstein was also used by Scientology leader David Miscavige as a front in order to purchase a sensitive building in Israel — the Alhambra theater building in Jaffa, the Arab neighborhood adjacent to Tel Aviv.

Finkelstein purchased the theater and then hired a builder to renovate it, without revealing that he was actually doing so for the Church of Scientology. Then, Finkelstein went bonkers.

Finkelstein ran into resistance from a local official who denied a request to expand the building’s footprint, so Finkelstein tried to have the official assassinated. He also hired a local Arab Muslim family to pose as Orthodox Jews and firebomb the theater, apparently so he could have further renovations made — renovations that he was skimming from. He was also accused of trying to kill the boyfriend of his ex-wife with a car bomb that detonated while his rival and a child were in the car, but didn’t kill anyone.

And after he was arrested and was sitting in custody, Finkelstein was charged again when, police say, he tried to arrange to get one of the witnesses against him killed.

 

Gur Finkelstein, left, with his attorney (Photo: Ohad Zwigenberg)

Gur Finkelstein, left, with his attorney (Photo: Ohad Zwigenberg)

 
All of that we wrote about three years ago. But the Kontext story says that Finkelstein was sentenced to prison just last month. We couldn’t find any confirmation of this, but we’d love to know if this is true.

Finkelstein’s crime spree ultimately didn’t stop the renovation of the Alhambra, which opened in 2012 to great fanfare from Miscavige.

In Stuttgart, meanwhile, the owner of the Ideal Org changed its name from “G. Stuttgart Properties Ltd.” to “R. Akiva Trust Holdings Ltd.,” and now the registered agent is a man named Yehuda Raveh — the attorney who represented Finkelstein in his criminal case, Kontext says.

But unlike in Israel, the building in Stuttgart is showing no signs of a renovation. “What the new owner is planning with the building remains unclear,” the article says.

While the building sits empty, others have inquired about purchasing it. The trade association nearby was interested, but they told Kontext that they were never able to make contact with the Israeli owners.

Last year, the federal watchdog agency says, Scientology’s international management sent a Sea Org team to Stuttgart to get some progress going, and put high pressure on the locals to recruit 150 employees to staff the future Ideal Org, but only about 130 were found.

“More often than had been previously seen, the local Scientologists were more visible in the street and posted more advertising in the area,” the article says.

But today, there’s still no real progress visible, and a local church spokesman said the federal agency was uninformed about what was really going on.

Meanwhile, city officials in Stuttgart are wary. “The plans of Scientology we do not know. We can’t comment on private real estate transactions,” said city spokesman Sven Matis.

“The opening of a new office in Stuttgart would, at first, create a spirit of optimism in Scientology,” says a report from the federal watchdog agency. “But Scientology has, internationally, been in a crisis for several years,” with membership and revenue declining.

We asked Mark Tordai, a former worker in Scientology’s Berlin org, for his thoughts on what was happening in Stuttgart. He sent us this response…

In 2006, the Stuttgart org put up some cash to buy a new building. While I was told that this building was not actually purchased, ​there is evidence of David Miscavige showing off the building plans at a major event. I myself have a good recollection of this as I attended that event. After locating a new building and creating plans for its renovation, Miscavige dumped the project and decided to open Berlin instead. I worked with over two dozen staff members from the Stuttgart area. Most of these staff members claimed that Stuttgart should have gotten the Ideal Org because they have the largest number of Scientologists anywhere in Germany. Many clashed with local Berlin execs and many were declared for speaking out against making Berlin the Ideal Org, ahead of Stuttgart.

The Stuttgart org has, as you said, spent more than 10 years trying to get an Ideal Org in their city. However, they have been overshadowed by Berlin and the constant bad PR in the German media. Especially in local media. It will be interesting to see if Stuttgart ever gets their Ideal Org after so much hard work. My opinion is that I think there’s little enthusiasm from Miscavige and little backing from the Sea Org Reno project. Since Berlin is doing really poorly, both fiscally and PR-wise, as you reported recently, I can’t see any more org Ideal Orgs opening in Germany. It would be another PR nightmare for the church to do so.

Thanks for that report, Mark.

Judging by the church fliers we’ve been posting in our weekly Sunday feature, it sure seems like the big push for future Ideal Orgs is in the Western U.S. — particularly in the San Fernando Valley, San Diego, and Austin — and also in New Zealand and parts of Australia. But we rarely hear about Ideal Org fundraising projects in the Eastern U.S., where several buildings have been purchased and have seemingly been abandoned. Stuttgart seems to be in the same boat.

Could Scientology be giving up on major parts of the globe and focusing more and more on the last pockets where the few remaining wealthy donors are? We’re going to keep looking at this.

 
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  • Observer

    Will the last person out of Scientology please turn off the lights? Oh, wait, the power has already been shut off for nonpayment. Never mind.

    • Elar Aitch

      They can’t bring out the last of the toilet paper either

      • joan nieman

        Or their money.

    • Observer

      ..

      • Missionary Kid

        Thank you, Emily Litilla.
        Your comments on Soviet jewelry were fantastic.
        I miss you, Gilda, along with millions of other fans.

      • shasha40

        Now I’ve got her voice in my head saying , never mind . Lol , Thanks for the trip down memory lane . I loved Gilda Radner .

      • villagedianne

        Bawa Wawa needs to know about Scientology. Where is Gilda when we need her?

    • joan nieman

      Oh so clever !

    • PeteMiless

      now handing out tickets at the Rockies games to get people in.

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      I Tweeted that to Scientology’s claim that they had just opened a new “church” in Stevens Creek. :)

    • valshifter

      when scientology governs all of the Western Hemisphere they will be so powerful they wont even have to pay for electricity, the electric company will beg for mercy for daring send a bill to scientology, since all the light they use has a Humanitarian purpose, or major whales around the globe will beg to let them pay for their bill, those will be the days dreamed by Tom Cruise on his famous video ‘have you ever seen a suppressive”?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Even Ursula doesn’t worry about scientology in Germany.
    The ship has sunk.

  • stanrogers

    R. Akiva? The Tanna? Head of all the sages? Being used as a front for Scientology? Ooooh, that’ll go over well back in israel.

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      Only if people there find out about it. :) It’s up to us to inform them.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    A beautiful new format from Hyder and Rip:
    today’s list links directly to the newest ads.

    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2473011
    The full regional and city by city list:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833

    • Kittery

      Love the new format!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Rammstein now have more material for a new album.
    Also, this picture. Just because. Refresh.

    • Spackle Motion

      Watching Rammstein perform is like watching a slow motion train wreck. You cannot divert your eyes to the glorious German angst set in front of you.

      • Imagica

        It would be interesting to see Rammstein write a song about Scientology, unless they already did, in that case I’ll have to find it. They’re crazy when it comes to religion lol

        • DodoTheLaser

          That would be wunderbar.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I rarely see you here, SM. Hope things are well.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      At the moment, I think Tool ought to be the Bunker official band. They have references to Hubbard & Scientology in at least two songs.

      • DodoTheLaser

        That’s true. I remember raving to a fellow staff member about Schism when it came out and she’s like – yeah, it’s a cool song, but Tool wrote some entheta song, so we not cool with them.

        So, ever since I refuse to listen to Tool.

        Nah, same day I found the “entheta” song and listened to the lyrics attentively.
        More seeds were planted.

      • John P.

        There was a general consensus long ago that Steely Dan fits as the official band of the Bunker. Many longtime commenters are extremely big fans, and the constant layers of snarling cynicism and dark, brooding irony seems to suit the subject matter, even if they don’t explicitly mention Scientology. I’ll have to ask Donald and Walter, the next time they play a private concert at one of the Global Capitalism HQ general partners’ waterfront estates, if they wouldn’t mind writing a song about Scientology as a way of critiquing “religious” nut jobs of all stripes.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    Makes you wonder what the Finkelstein/Micavige dynamic actually was (still is?)… he almost sounds like a chip off the old block – I mean, who else in scientology could you imagine planting bombs in cars, attempt to kill witnesses, cause fires to extend funding of an org? ….Now here’s someone to offer a plea deal to to get the goods on tiny fists!

    • Once_Born

      It’s always struck me that, while the everyday behaviour of the CofS is evil, and abusive and brings about suffering and death, the cowardice of their founder insured that they rarely (as far as I know) cross the line into open mayhem.

      Basically, their SOP is to push their luck as far as it will go, and then hide behind highly-paid lawyers. They have never routinely taken things as far as the mafia (which they otherwise closely resemble) with arson, contract murder and other kinds of… direct action.

      Finkelstein’s behaviour perhaps reminds us that, if these really are the end days for the CofS, they might turn even nastier.

      • MaxSpaceman

        The 10 years + of machinations against Paulette Cooper, including obtaining her fingerprint on a piece of paper that led to felony charges against her, the account of her friend, who looked like her opening the door and someone putting a gun to the woman’s head and mis-firing, that and more seems like crossing the line. Killing a judge’s dog and countless other things are crossing the line. (I think you have a different definition of ‘open mayhem’ and ‘crossing the line’ than I, is all.

        • Once_Born

          Unconscionable things were undoubtedly done to Paulette Cooper and I thought this was covered under “evil, and abusive and brings about suffering and death”. I heartily agree that all of the people who did those things thoroughly deserved a lonely jail cell for a very long time. They did, indeed, cross the line.

          What I am saying is that the reason that the organisation is still here is that it has (so far) held back from dealing with opponents by hiring a hit man, planting car-bombs, burning their house down and the other stuff that is routine for real organised crime.

          • chukicita

            Policy-driven murder (Lisa McPherson, etc.) to keep afloat a fraudulent entity is “real organized crime.” Scientology has written instructions that specify not to do anything that can be traced back to harm the organization.

            Have you read the Operation targets against Gabe Cazares and others? Maybe not as fast and effective as a direct hit, but with the same intent and less obvious. Why hire a hit man when you believe you can drive someone crazy enough to kill themselves, like they tried with Paulette Cooper? Who’s to say that didn’t happen with Shawn Lonsdale? I am waiting for the day when I can read the operation that I would bet my bottom dollar was written to bring medical examiner Joan Wood to a shell of her former self. And what about allll the other crazy deaths at the Fort Homicide? And that’s just in Clearwater.

            In both the Cosa Nostra and Scientology, fear rules the day.

            • Mark Foster

              Absolutely true. It is a grave mistake to underestimate the zealotry of the organization with a policy such as R2-45, not to mention its track record of harassment, dirty tricks, espionage, and scorched-earth litigation…(and human trafficking and child abuse and forced abortions, etc.)

          • MaxSpaceman

            okay, OB- the shortcomings of a written comment board vs speaking ideas ‘n stuff.

        • ze moo

          The clampire hasn’t had the chutzpah for such crimes in a long time. Why??? I suspect the cost/benefit ratio doesn’t favor such things anymore. How much do they have to pay their former ‘agents of change’ in hush money?

          That doesn’t mean that you can’t run into a local clam with bad intentions.

          • Once_Born

            That is my concern. If there is an organisational breakdown, people who have lived inside the bubble, and are totally out of touch with reality, may start acting on their own – and what they do could be more direct and extreme than we have seen from Scientology up to now (which is plenty bad enough).

            I am not saying that the CofS, as it stands, is not evil – it demonstrably is. The most terrible things they have done in the past were the result of incompetent managers trying to apply an doctrine which is completely out of touch with reality.

            If the organisation comes apart at the seams, this kind of event may become more common and more extreme. I am hoping that people just, eventually, walk away dysfunctional orgs in the same way as the E German Stazi abandoned their posts.

            However, as the end of the CofS approaches, we need to on guard for extreme reactions from groups of isolated, unbalanced zealots.

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              A wounded animal is the most dangerous.

            • Missionary Kid

              Agreed. That’s when the types of incidents like the rattlesnake in the mailbox happen.

          • MaxSpaceman

            still, stalking and being watched by PI s and the Squirrel-busters invasion of Mosey’s life, all awful, disruptive criminal behavior.

        • villagedianne

          Scientology used to boast that they are not a “turn the other cheek” religion. Now they see that this was bad PR, especially in the internet age.

          • MaxSpaceman

            at the same time, the dastardly deeds continue and are reprehensible in and of themeselves.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Just quickly, I am always wondered if they would go out with a bang or a whimper. Will we see headlines as we did for Jonestown, Branch Davidians and Heaven’s Gate? If I had to bet I would bet they fade away into a hundred little splinter groups, some of which will stay afloat but ineffectual for a thousand years. Kids in high school will do SA lists the same way I did the Ouija board. Scientology will be an essay topic in university psych classes.

      • Mark Foster

        There´s a long history of dirty tricks and ¨direct action¨ …one mafia-like example, off the top of my head, is ¨The Minutemen¨ from, what, the early eighties, I think? The thuggish behavior is NOT new…

    • shasha40

      That’s what I was thinking , ‘ cause the foot bullets are identical to the tiny tyrants moves , despite their attempts at the shell game with regards to ownership of said mOrgs .

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      He had David egging him on to “make it go right” and try to swindle money from the rubes, constant pressure, so obviously Finkelstein decided the only way to satisfy his crime boss was murder, arson, the usual organized crime activity.

  • Graham

    “I can’t see any more org Ideal Orgs opening in Germany. It would be another PR nightmare for the church to do so.” These days almost anything the church does turns into a PR nightmare. Every time they draw attention to themselves it triggers a tidal wave of critical reactions.

    “Could Scientology be… focusing more and more on the last pockets where the few remaining wealthy donors are?” Gives a whole new meaning to ‘having a whale of a time’.

  • Espiando

    How many of these now-derelict buildings were purchased in 2006-7? Stuttgart, Chicago, and Philadelphia I remember off the top of my head. If anyone can add any more to that list, I’d appreciate it. Is it any coincidence that the Basics were released right about that time? Were the Basics simply a way to replenish the coffers after a big real estate spree? Sure seems like it.

    And as for Stuttgart’s “owner”, if you ever wondered how Dror Center pulled off blowing as a complete and active mission, I bet the possibility of being linked with Finklestein had a LOT to do with it. Just makes you go “hmmmmmmm”, you know.

    • D.Y.G.

      I think the Columbus ideal org was purchased somewhere around that time.

    • myrklix

      And let’s not forget the building purchased for Boston has been sitting as an empty shell for years while the current org must now be vacated since it’s been sold. In the mean time there will be temporary digs in a warehouse in an industrial part of the city.

      • Espiando

        But was it bought in 2006-7? That’s the key here. Did Despicable Me go on a real-estate binge during that period, one that might have triggered the release of the Basics to replenish the coffers?

        • Missionary Kid
          • Espiando

            I can’t take credit for it. Someone at Das Rinderblog’s been using it for a while. I thought it’d been used here before, but if it wasn’t on the list, I guess not.

            • Missionary Kid

              Any addition to DM’s nicknames are appreciated.

              Since I don’t usually give credit on nicknames, it doesn’t matter. The only place that I do give credit is in the category, “Things said about…” I do it there if someone uses their real name.

            • shasha40

              Hey MK , we’re a family here, we don’t need credit , just the lulz ! ;) Thanks for making the list , every time I see the names I pee my pants a little . How can we send it to Wee Davey …

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m kinda trying to stay off of his radar, but for some reason, I think that if he ever looks at the Bunker, he’s seen it.

            • shasha40

              Hope we don’t give him a complex with all the little man jokes and names ! {}

            • Missionary Kid

              Great sarcasm! I hope it gives him “engrams” up the wazoo.

            • shasha40

              From your mouth to Xenu’s ears !

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

            Shouldn’t that be Despicable MiniMe?

        • D.Y.G.

          Looks like Boston was purchased in 2006.

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

            They seem to have bought the Ivory Bean building and the Hotel Alexandra at the start of 2008. When the Ivory Bean building had to be demolished in 2011, they were going to put up a 45,000 square-foot org on the site, but now it’s down to the Hotel Alexandra.

            Demolition brings Church of Scientology closer to building new Boston HQ April 12, 2011, Cara Bayles, Boston Globe

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Montreal and Winnipeg.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Stellar observation, Espi. Yes and yes. Follow the Money is not just a lofty philosophical concept. Real estate spree (that’s whale money now, remember), Basics, then those pesky Garcia’s fouled up the plan and forced the end of the Super Power gusher. Since it opened with the only result of disappointment, then the Gat3 along with the L’s (the L’s have been marketed as a mini super Power from the beginning). There has to be a new shiny toy to keep the hamster wheelin’.

      In the OT Committee meeting notes, emails and a few assorted promo pieces, the Whales were actually being scolded for not caring (forking over buckets o’ cash) about All orgs worldwide because as superior godlike beings, they were responsible for all the orgs, like South Africa. Duggan’s wife of course shelled out immediately. However, it appears even the whales have limits on willingness to finance scientology 100% worldwide. So now it’s just the U.S., concentrating where most live, West US, and recently they are now even paying for planning and designs.

      DM seems to have grown weary or annoyed at mere 70 to 80% pure profits. That’s for the little people. The IAS is his cash cow and has been since he anointed Every scientologist, sea org, staff and public as his IAS sales force. Just so there was no mistake, he ordered their sales quota stats to be their #1 stat above all others. When I heard even auditors and case supervisors were begging down their customer pc’s and public could buy their way out of a trip to ethics, that is absolute evidence scientology was dead. Miscavige is forcing the whales to pay for any facade of Scientology Past, but seems they have drawn the line to regional. Makes me wonder about East Coast whales though. Surely New York and Miami? No, in Flag OT Comm. notes, the whales harbored at Flag are now responsible for the East Coast, but evidently no Duggans or Jensons or Cartwrights among them. I’ve heard for several years many are moving far away from Flag because of the close proximity to the exploding insanity. So it’s all down to Homer and the Duggie in La La land.

    • Eileen

      Boston 2005

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Looking at other pictures, his glasses are like that on both sides, and I think they’re designed to look that way. Faux nerd chic? That should have been a warning sign.

    • Sir_Real

      I recognize that little girl too LMAO!

  • Richard Grant

    The Hole Does Not Exist laid it down yesterday: “Scientology is aging out, limping into oblivion, the last whale trophy rolled out on a gurney.”

    And on its limping march into oblivion, it is falling back to its last remaining pockets of (relative) strength. Mike Rinder has also commented a couple of times on Miscavige’s US-centric vision. Now Tony tightens the focus, noting that recent US fundraising efforts seem to be focused on a certain narrow region of the Western US.

    I wonder if the battle-weary defenders still hanging on in the all-but-abandoned territories are beginning to suspect that they’ve been written off.

  • Narapoid

    A machiavellian maniac like Finkelstein would be an accurate portrait of a very loyal and effective Scibot. He is now the face of Scio Stuttgart. I wonder if he was on “The Ls”?

    Jason Beghe said the the Ls “fucked him up” and the look on his face was haunted as he said so.

  • Andrew Robertson

    I remember Gur Finkelstein and his fondness for L Ron Hubbard’s R2-45 auditing process “An enormously effective process for Exteriorization but its use is frowned upon by Society at this time” “Death is not the same as clearing but there is, remember, R2-45. It’s a very valid technique. A lot of people have used it before now.”

    Maybe, Ron, but not everyone is as inept as Gur who keeps getting caught. Maybe he should do GAT II. That might help.

    Andrew

  • Once_Born

    “Could Scientology be giving up on major parts of the globe and focusing more and more on the last pockets where the few remaining wealthy donors are?”

    This almost fits the bill in Plymouth (UK). Unlike Stuttgart, we are not at the centre of an “economically strong region.” Our Ideal Org is situated in a ‘deprived area’ which is miles from the not-particularly-prosperous shopping area (struggling with the growing impact of Internet shopping). Also, the 2011 census reveals that there are only 30 Scientologists in the Orgs catchment area. http://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/plymouth-uk-ideal-org-a-reality-check-in-bricks-and-mortar/

    Plymouth’s ideal org will never, ever see any progress. After several years, the CofS has still not even made a planning application for its renovation. It is now obvious that the only reason that they own this building is as a front to raise as much money as possible from the few remaining rich UK Scientologists. Its function is to provide them with a ‘pitch’ – complete the building and everything will come right.

    Although allowing the buildings to decay reduces their value, the CofS can raise cash money for renovations for years… then pull out, sell the building, and start the process all over again – for as long as they still have members.

    So, if the theory that the CofS is using ideal orgs (that they have no intention of ever opening) to milk their remaining membership outside of the US before withdrawing it will be the least lucrative areas (like Plymouth) that they will withdraw from first.

    Perhaps the UK is a special case -because of the association between Hubbard and Saint hill Manor they will abandon this site last of all. However, a major withdrawal from the smaller European states will mark the beginning of the end.

  • 1subgenius

    Lawyer to Gur: Yer ficked, and you owe me a lot of money. Now about the title to that building…..

    So, Gur was a front for Scientology, and now his lawyer is the registered agent.
    I wonder who has the title.
    Problem when you use a front, if the front goes away, where does that leave you?
    There’s either a nod, nod, wink, wink, or a hell of a paper trail.
    I’m going to speculate that the lawyer is involved only to get his fee for the criminal cases. Good luck with that.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Hiding purchases behind dummy names and false fronts is programmed right into Scientology DNA, but using a lawyer from Israel to obscure a purchase in Stuttgart Germany seems complicated even for them.

      I wonder if Gur was taken to civil court by that official who was maimed in Israel? That building is an asset, and if it was in his name…

      • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

        David shopped around for a Loyal Officer who was willing to murder to “get it done” and Finkelstein was their man.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Lawyer to Gur: “No, at this stage I don’t think having the judge killed would work in your favor.”
      Gur to lawyer: “Oh. Are you sure?”

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      He can start a Scientology “Criminon” program behind bars now.

  • BosonStark

    Maybe the Berlin Org was greenlighted over Stuttgart, because Tom Cruise was scheduled to shoot a movie there or more likely to do a promotional visit there. Or, he may have expressed interest in seeing a new Org built there. Also, historically, politically and internationally, Berlin is a more high profile and important city than Stuttgart and since Scientology is all about PR… But Stuttgart is, as you mentioned, economically booming and known as a city of the future. It’s also a center for science! But it’s probably the viability for small business owners that makes it a hotbed for clams, as well as people having more money to spend on crazy.

    • AlexM

      When I was there on staff in Berlin, Tom Cruise visited the church. Many staff members, including myself, cleaned the org top to bottom for two days straight and were told that we could meet him and Katie Holmes. We were lied to and never got to meet them. This pissed a lot of us right off.

      But Tom shot Valkyrie in the summer of 2007. The org was opened in January 2007 and people were arriving as early as the fall of 2006. I doubt the org was opened for Tom Cruise. It was opened because of the political and historical connections Berlin has to Germany and the rest of the world.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Memo to Gur Finkelstein:
    Become a $cientologist – then you can learn how to do it right.
    Classes will be offered by Rex Fowler.

    • chukicita

      Obviously he’s never been to a Grant Cardone do.

  • Patty Moher

    Per recent the “Boston” thread on ESMB, the Boston Org sold their beautiful building on Beacon Street and they have to move out or pay rent that they can’t afford. Their new Ideal Org building on Mass. Ave hasn’t even started construction, so they are doing a “temp” move to a warehouse in the warehouse district. LOL!

    Here’s the thread for all the recent dirt on the Boston Org. It’s nice to get some current info that org.

  • D.Y.G.

    Gur Finkelstein is not a very good criminal mastermind.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Hires hitmen to kill his ex-wife, her boyfriend, and a Tel Aviv city official, as well as to blow up a mosque and the Scientologist church in Jaffa, tries to hire undercover cop to kill government witness, don’t afraid of anything!

      • D.Y.G.

        It must be all about who you hire to do your dirty work.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          His dad tried to hire the undercover cop. How lame is that, asking your dad to have someone killed?

          • D.Y.G.

            His dad wasn’t a very good criminal either. They must not get Law & Order or Breaking Bad in Tel Aviv.

      • 1subgenius

        Ta-da!

      • ze moo

        He is ‘at cause’ and has the power of positive ‘postulation’. And like many socio-psychopaths, believes his excrement doesn’t smell bad. He’d get 20- life for those crimes in the US.

    • 1subgenius

      Hiring Muslims to pose as Orthodox Jews has a certain flair, if not chutzpah.
      Hey, have fun with it.

      • D.Y.G.

        I pose as an Orthodox Jew when the Jehovah’s Witnesses come knocking. Other times I’m a Wiccan, and I offer to let them pet my animal familiar.

        • 1subgenius

          I am so looking for the perfect approach when the Jehovah’s come around.
          I tried the whole “If you were in a Satanic cult would you know it?” thing, already.
          And inviting the female ones in and making nude lewd propositions, takes more chutzpah than I have.

          • D.Y.G.

            The perfect approach is to have a large, somewhat aggressive-looking dog. They really don’t want to stick around and chat for very long.

            • 1subgenius

              Nah, ya gotta feed it and clean up after it.

          • Mark

            Would you believe they actually have a “do not call list” you can ask to be put on? Well, they do :) They tend to be a bit surprised that any non-JWs know about it – but it does stop them calling back: http://eightmagicwords.blogspot.co.uk/

            Only trouble is, they now seem to be switching tactics from doorstepping to standing at busy places on the streets with little wheeled display-stands filled with ‘Watchtowers’ and books – but at least that makes them a lot easier to ignore.

            • chukicita

              Some years back I made a sign with an anthropomorphic white-guy-with-a-beard God sticking his arms through an international No sign, kind of a takeoff on the Ghostbusters logo. The sign read: PLEASE NO RELIGION SOLICITORS. I’d put it up when I knew they were in the ‘hood. Saved my time and theirs.

            • Mark

              I used to have lots of fun casting doubts in JW’s minds (specifically the whole deal about the name ‘Jehovah’ being an ignorant mediaeval concoction and technically blasphemous to boot), but eventually decided life was too short…

            • Missionary Kid

              Not mediaeval, but bronze and iron age.

            • Mark

              ‘Jehovah’ is a Latinised hotch-potch of the letters יהוה and the vowel-signs belonging to ‘Adonai’, which first appeared in the 13th century (though some say it goes back as far as 500 CE): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

            • Missionary Kid

              I meant the biblical concept of what was later named Jehovah. AFAIC, god is a human construct, and the bible was just the recording of how the Jews, and later, the Christians developed it.

              My reading of the bible (mostly the protestant KJV ans RSV) is that originally, the Jews were polytheistic. Subsequently, when they became monotheistic, they recast their polytheistic gods as attributes of one god.

              I “see” it in the many phrases in the bible that say, The god who…” That’s just my own theory, probably unsupported by scholarship.

            • villagedianne

              Lots of them in the NYC subway system. There is nothing in their displays that identifies them as Jehovah’s Witnesses.

            • Mark

              Yes – we get them outside Tube stations here (only licensed buskers allowed on Underground property) – the lack of identification so any potential victims aren’t put off until it’s too late.

          • chukicita

            My sister would answer the door in a rainbow wig, trench raincoat and a freshly-lit cigar, and step out on the front porch, closing the door behind her. “Jehovah’s Witnesses? Why, yes, I have all their albums!” Meanwhile her husband would be putting on a shirt and tie and a pig mask. He’d lean out the upper window and yell “Betty Sue [not her name]! Your casserole is burning,” at which point my sister would shriek and run back inside, slamming the door.

            This never failed to get a smile out of the poor child that was always being dragged along on the door to door salvation.

            • 1subgenius

              Awesome, I can picture that scene.
              I once made the head of the DC org smile. She came out to intimidate me with her camera, and I cowered in mock fear behind a light pole. screaming “Help me!”
              Yes, humor is a weapon.

            • chukicita

              Yes, it is. This is long but it is my all-time favorite post from a.r.s.:

              Subject: Re: Ridicule as an anti-Scn weapon
              Date: 09 May 1997 00:00:00 GMT
              From: Stephen Jones
              Organization: Netcom
              Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology

              In article ,
              Joe Harrington wrote:

              >Ridicule is most likely a source of self-amusement for the people who
              >engage in it and it probably has some internal therapeutic value for
              >them. But generally I don’t think it is an effective method of
              >bringing
              >about reform or social changes as it usually causes alienation and
              >hardens the resolve of the people who are being subjected to it.

              Agreed that ridicule can be a source of self-amusement. I’d hate to
              think that other jokers and degraders are doing so with a grim
              determination. I also see how ridicule can cause alienation and
              harden resolve. It doesn’t always, but it can. What I do not agree
              with is your assessment of ridicule’s effectiveness in furthering
              reform or fostering social change. Ridicule can’t be beat when it
              comes to kicking the bejeezus out of an oppressive, idiotic or just
              plain thoughtless belief/system, regardless if that belief is
              political, social or spiritual. Besides, it can be fun…unless the
              ridicule is directed towards the spiritual in which case it is taboo
              and very bad manners so please don’t do it.

              A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
              those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
              pulled-up to the curb. Who would have thought such a tiny car could
              contain so many infectious and revolutionary guffaws? Satires,
              parodies, blue humor, pants to the ground ass-wavings, tea-dumping,
              Modest Proposal submiting, 7 dirty word spewing, flag burning, frankly
              impolite, just plain rude and improper expressions of ridicule have
              either ignited reform, fanned the flames or kicked the corpse to make
              sure it was dead.

              >And when it is done in public, I don’t think most people look
              >favorably on the people engaging in it as ridicule is generally
              >considered offensive.

              But sometimes it is supposed to be offensive. Sure, sometimes it’s
              just dumb and sometimes it backfires, HELLO! Mikesmith3, Woody and the
              rest of the ars handlers from the Jokers/Degraders/Copyright
              terrorists and degraded wog beings of ARS. Ridicule can be just mean
              and ugly but it is also capable of greater things.

              Stephen Jones

              >Joe

            • villagedianne

              “crunchy with the crispy corpses” Geez what a weird image! Is it a cult or a breakfast cereal?

            • pluvo

              Mad TV: The Cult of Saturnology

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCuahtsa3rI

            • Missionary Kid

              Just think, Michael Jackson was one of those poor children that was dragged along with his mother. It was his only chance to see how the rest of the world lived as he was growing up.

            • Mooser

              I worked, for a while, with a woman who as a teen and early adult, went door-to-door Jehovah’s Witness missionizing. There was only one problem. She was, and I mean it, drop-dead gorgeous, a stunner, head to toe. Green eyes, too. I often wondered what the reaction was when she turned up at doors with “Awake!” and “The Watchtower.”

            • Missionary Kid

              I dated a woman for a year who meets most of your description. She left the JWs, divorced her deacon husband, and was never disfellowshipped.

              I’m sure that people, especially men, spent more time listening to her because she was so gorgeous. Their loss was my gain.

          • Ruby

            I offered to take their booklet and read if, in return, they would read some of my scientology promo and that got them running fast.

          • Scream Nevermore

            You tell them that you are a Satanist. Ask them if they are a virgin (or the child, if they are dragging some poor sprog around with them). And would they like to come to a ceremony. That has worked for me in the past!

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ve told this one before, but years ago, a friend of mine claimed that he lived in an apartment building with an inside stairway that ended just outside of his second story apartment.

            On weekends, he would hear them go to the end of the hall and start to knock on doors, working their way back towards his. He finally got so pissed that they were violating his morning reverie that as they started at the end of the hall, he walked out into the hallway and said, “Can I help you ladies?”

            They went rushing past him and down the stairs, and didn’t bother him again.

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

            Make sure you wear your Sparlock the Warrior Wizard t-shirt.

          • doggywoggy

            I tell them I feel sorry for them, and I do. I take their literature. I tell them they look like really nice people. If they’re young, I say, “Wouldn’t you rather be out having a good time right now?” If they’re old, I ask, “How did you get in? How long have you been in? And you haven’t celebrated a birthday or holiday all that time?” Then they’ll try to do their spiel, and I ask them if they know how many times the JWs have set a date for the end of the world. They don’t. Then I tell them to get on the Internet and look at the other side.

      • William Burns

        The whole thing sounds like a Coen brothers movie.

        • 1subgenius

          I was gonna say Woody Allen, but yeah, “Blood Simple” came to mind when you said that.
          On my re-watch list.
          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086979/

          Or Lina Wertmuller’s fantastic “Seven Beauties”.
          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075040/

          Our hero (Giancarlo Giannini) accidentally kills his sister’s pimp before he could give him a fighting chance. He then cuts the body into pieces, as it is flatulating (“Even in death you have no respect!”), packs them in suitcases, and is chased by dogs, as he tries to get to the train station to send them off to different places.
          And then it get weird.

          • Missionary Kid

            I saw Blood Simple as a part of a double-bill before Body Heat, which is supposed to be pretty intense. I’d never seen a Coen brothers movie, and by the time I got done with it, watching Body Heat was almost like watching a comedy.

      • Mooser

        “Hiring Muslims to pose as Orthodox Jews has a certain flair, if not chutzpah.”

        Like many things out of Israel, it goes “beyond Chutzpah.”

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      He seems to be the brightest criminal Scientology has so far.

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Google search for Gur Finkelstein is returning UmbraXenu as the third result. (Which is a stub pointing to the top-ranked Jerusalem Post story.) Good, but surprising since Village Voice and xenu-directory.net are there but lower.

    I guess Google’s pigeons just like Raspberry Pi…

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      And Scientology scrubbed the bomber from their web sites except that his wife is still listed in their “cookie cutter” pages. Amusing.

  • Truthiwant

    Almost daily, we have a story here on the Bunker that talks about some Scientologist with a dubious sense of ethics or somebody who is downright dishonest. Today it is Gur Finkelstein, but there are also stories of many people involved with Narconon, stories of some questionable dentists or chiropractors, or people like Grant Cardone and so on.

    I have always thought that there are basically two types of Scientologist, the honest Scientologist who has a desire to help humanity, and the dishonest Scientologist who spotted that Hubbard’s teachings could financially benefit him/herself personally.

    Let’s be honest, Scientology is totally based on making money. That is its one and only goal. But that does not necessarily mean that some adepts of Scientology, who pay fortunes to remain a member, can’t make a boat load of money for themselves using Hubbard’s devious techniques.

    And this, in my opinion, is what is happening.

    The honest people involved in Scientology are destined to leave and many have already done so. However, the people who have no intention of leaving are the big money makers or people who enjoy making money using dishonest methods. People basically, who are using, knowingly, all the deceitful and fraudulent techniques available throught the ‘Church’ for making money. Methods that are not directly taught in the ‘Church’ but by reading between the lines can be extracted from the writings and used dishonestly for one’s own benefit. These teachings start with Les Dane’s book on Big League Sales Closing Techniques, through communication courses to Wise selling methods and, of course using Hubbard’s own words and rantings. No one can deny that Hubbard was good at making money, so it could well be that many people like the idea of using him as a role model for their sly ends, but at the same time like being cloaked behind a ‘religion.’

    When people get so involved with making more and more money, there comes a time that ethics have no meaning any more and at this point anything goes, from lying to blackmail and even to attempted murder.

    One thing I could never understand when I was a member, was the number of chronically dishonest people that were going ‘up the Bridge’ and at the same time were pathological cheats. Now I am beginning to understand what these people’s real goals are. Unfortunately, many of these people are very succesful in getting money out of the public.

    • ze moo

      The clampire selects for these sociopaths. It is a very short step from selling penny stocks to body routing.

      • Missionary Kid

        It is a self-selecting process, IMO.

        • Mooser

          I’m with you, self-selecting, and Scientology provides a beautiful matrix for separating and developing the took and the taker. It’s really all that happens there, one big game of pretense and fraud, with serious, even deadly consequences.

          • Missionary Kid

            Mooser, you can be silly as hell, but that isn’t silly at all, but VERY TRUE.

            LRH & DM look at life and the manipulation of others as a big game. They have ignored what happens to others, as long as they have gained power or money.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s a helluva thing to realize, isn’t it? Nobody accumulates billions by themselves. They need others of like kind to do their dirty work. I think the toxic ethics policies twist members sense of justice. It takes a long time from what I’ve seen for many who leave to really face the fact that what they experienced or saw were real crimes, not “entheta” or “out ethics” and that greatest good crap is just an excuse to commit more crimes and silence potential whistleblowers and witnesses. Do you think it’s the ethics policies or something else that does this?

      And yes, there are some of the good intentions who come and go. Those who stay too long I have personally not understood until I thought of them perhaps as enablers. I’ve known parents who enabled a son or daughter addictedand maybe at first they genuinely didn’t know they were on drugs. Then they knew but made excuses and kept giving them money and support. But the time they realized that what they were doing was opposite of what they intended, to help, it was sometimes too late, but not always. Again, it’s a matter of looking at the consquences of what you are doing, but only dumping the fanatic greatest good filter.

      • Truthiwant

        The problem with Scientology, like any other cult, is that all people involved tell you the same identical thing regarding the teachings.. This means that any new member is constantly bombarded with exactly the same words, from all the people he/she encounters, and this unfortunately becomes the mind set. On top of that, you also have a very forceful book of ethics, and much more, which all together seem logical on face value, but in practice are not, and the result of all this is the making and creation of foul beings.

        • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

          What’s wrong with being in aggreement creating a reality together.

          -Ron

    • DodoTheLaser

      Money Tech.

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Cos’s persistence on moving forward with a demonstrably failed ideal org religious expansion strategy leads me to believe that a very lucrative end-game is the real objective here.

    First theory: behind the property ownership front groups is, in whole or in part, Miscavige’s personal retirement fund.

    Even if the buildings sit idle for years and lose some value and/or have liens for back taxes (if applicable), the “owner” still makes a killing since his personal original investment was 0$.

    • AutOmatic

      “…a very lucrative end-game is the real objective here.”

      ^^^THIS is the Pocket Pope’s plan. Real estate retirement assets gained for his personal inurement at the expense of anyone who will “donate” to the “church”.

  • Cheryl

    I was in Birmingham UK a couple of weeks ago and thought I’d find the Scientology building. Wasn’t very easy and it turned out to be in an office building, Winston Churchill house, with a nameplate that you can only read if you go up some steps seems amazing that they’ve bought a huge building in Moseley , there is no way they will even begin to fill it. My daughter has been living in the city for 5 years and didn’t even know they were there.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      But, but they’re going to open the Pitmaston building within weeks (2010), and Peaches Geldof might be there!

      Church of Scientology to open new HQ in Moseley June 9, 2010, Birmingham Mail

    • MaxSpaceman

      Terrific timely info about UK iDeal Morgues. Thank you, C.

      • Cheryl

        We went up and down the street 3 times before we found it, it seemed dead , Brummies obviously have a lot of sense.

    • Mark

      To judge by the sign, the Scibots must have originally rented the small penthouse affair at the top of the building (UK floors go ground>first>second) before they bought the whole place. Simms & Partners have moved to a business-park in Solihull: http://www.fasimms.co.uk/birmingham

      • Cheryl

        They still had the sign up a couple of weeks ago, it was hard to tell if there were 3 floors or 2 above the ground floor which looked like retail space.but whatever it’s a big jump from this to the huge place in Moseley. We hung around a bit and didn’t see anyone either going in or coming out.

        • Mark

          That’ll teach me not to read with attention; thought the nameplate was in the Pitmaston place (presumably still gently rotting away from neglect) rather than the entrance to a tatty office near New Street – this is the best I could get in Google Streetview – which won’t go into pedestrian precincts:

          • Cheryl

            Yes that’s it, as I said we walked by it a couple of times before we realised where it was. Definitely not in the centre of things even though it’s fairly close to New Street.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          How perfect … now members don’t worry about how they will get to bankruptcy since they had to sell their car for rent. Now they can just walk down a flight of stairs:) Thanks for this information and especially the picture.

        • Robert Eckert

          Convenient to have bankruptcy specialists right at hand like that!

  • Eileen

    For Red Xers: news about JJ in Boston from ESMB
    “JJ does everything that gets done in Div 6 from book 1 auditing to intro lectures to seminars to personality test evals and regging to handouts and body routing. He does ok at it but has very little support. There simply isnt the manpower. He gave up on the Craigslist ads. You “internet assholes” drove him into apathy on that one. I think he is in despair about the new location.”
    Congrats to fellow internet assholes!

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Link, please.

      • NOLAGirl

        I’m loving that thread. :)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thanks for this thread link. Here we find out that JJ has been the last sane and caring staff member, holding out the last portal of hope for customers, single handing an entire area. It is also revealed that there are two management types that are either crazy or evil (probably both) and unethical – which could mean any number of things in the real world.

        And that’s our typical Ideal Shell today. A few beaten down, misguided and exhausted people paddling bravely through this flood of denial while the other two in the building busy themselves with dumping all responsibility and grabbing whatever they can salvage before the last tide of declares, disconnections, lawsuits and utility shutoffs.

        When I remember some of the larger than life characters that graced the Boston sci scene over the years, I can’t help feeling a bit sympathetic toward JJ. He probably would have been welcomed and appreciated once upon a time and happily rode that wave of success that endured longer than most on the east coast. Now JJ is the enemy of scientology and he doesn’t even know why … yet. Hope he has someone on the outside who can help him hop off the crazy evil crooked merrygoround and soon.

        http://i.imgur.com/MolpLdR.jpg?3

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      A number of people exchanged emails with him, let him know that he’s committing abject fraud — or trying to since it is not likely that he manages to sucker rubes and get money out of anyone with the ads.

      Being nice to the guy via email may have helped nudge him in to the idea that he’s never going to get any customers lying on CL.

  • Snake Plissken

    Pretty soon they will have more buildings than people. I wonder what it costs per Scientologist to keep the cult running.

  • 0tessa

    Scientology: a pocket cult. Only for very small and violent people.

  • chukicita

    This morning I was thinking of Buddhist friends in an extremely disadvantaged neighborhood of a California city, who maintain a temple that has become a safe, gun-free haven and a place to seek help for many teens and young families who face poverty, gangs, joblessness, loss of hope, health issues, etc. The temple isn’t fancy at all, but those who depend on it work together with the monks to keep it in order. When people who have struggled get back on their feet, they sometimes bring gifts that the monks can use to help themselves and others.

    I think it’s very telling that you can’t seem to practice Scientology at all without expensive real estate and pricey accessories like a $5,000 wheatstone bridge.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      It’s odd, but when Scientology is making excuses for themselves by playing the “But the Buddhists” card, they never mention anything like that.

  • i-Betty

    Hi Mark Tordai, thanks so much for speaking with Tony. You mention “Many clashed with local Berlin execs and many were declared for speaking out against making Berlin the Ideal Org, ahead of Stuttgart.”

    If you’re with us today, can you recollect approximately how many were declared as a percentage of total Stuttgart scientologists? Outside of UK practitioners I have a particular interest in German orgs and it would be great to get a snapshot of numbers practicing scientology in a prosperous area such as Baden-Württemberg.

    • AlexM

      This is he.

      Off the top of my head, I’d say that there were about 20 people from the Stuttgart area who were staff in Berlin when I was there. At least two or three were declared that I know of, including one gentlemen who went out in a shouting match with the ED. After that, a few others were kicked off staff and some just ended up routing out. By the time I left, that 20 number was probably down to half and I was there for 9 months. It should be noted that as per my job, I had access to tax and student records. The Berlin org lost over 100 staff members and another 100 students from the course rooms, within their first year of existence.

      • Ruby

        Thank you for the info.

        • AlexM

          My pleasure

      • i-Betty

        Good grief, that’s a staggering number of members to lose in such a short period of time. This seems to correlate with the numbers in ‘large’ city orgs in Britain; Birmingham for example. I have a very strong feeling that numbers in Europe are far, far lower than even we hoped.

        Thanks a million for taking the time to answer my question, Mark.

        • AlexM

          Not a problem. And yes, they are absurd
          numbers. If those numbers have kept up, between 1500-2000 people have come and
          gone from the Berlin org since it’s opening. And not just raw meat, I mean
          people who started a course and just left. Even if they kept just a tenth, the
          org would be doing ok. But that’s Scientology for you.

          • Richard Grant

            Thanks, AlexM.

            • AlexM

              My pleasure

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            This is pretty much on the mark for average, AlexM throughout its history. There have been a few exceptions here and there where there was a wealthy landscape and some heavy hitters running missions and a few orgs – but what you describe is the average.

            Until the last two years, and now it’s just a few people pretending there’s an org. Their FP will prove there isn’t. Most are Potemkin Villages now. The Ideal orgs were never for the promoted purpose. It was just to appease whales and celebs, deflecting away from the constant bad press and the vast number of their friends (or even family) who were all suddenly disappearing or getting declared. Eye witness reports like yours have helped us all collect all the pieces and get the whole picture. Thanks from me as well!

      • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

        Those numbers sound about the same for all Scientology business offices, most customers leave without 2 years, they can see right away that it does not work but they try to slug it out and finally accept the fact that Scientology doesn’t work after 2 years. That was the average back in 1996, I should note, the duration of time might be much shorter now.

        • AlexM

          There is a stats online that I think is more than accurate, though not scientific,

          Preliminary
          analysis suggests that about 60% of people who try Scientology do only a single course or service, that 80% of new members become inactive within 2 years, and that 65% of those
          who reach the level of Clear become inactive within a year after doing so.*

          * (The above is taken from the website:www.thetruthaboutscientology.com)

  • jjup

    in this cult there’s a fine line between high-toned and deadly

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I am sure this information concerning Miscavige’s ownership strategy of the Ideal Orgs will be very useful to the lawyers for the three Cubans in the Licea lawsuit as they try to locate church assets in the US to pay the judgment.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Such a nice boy, that Finkelstein boy!

    Almost as sweet as LilDemonDave,
    the Rabbi of Righteousness,
    the Bally Llama, the Punching Pontiff, the Org Ogre Most Unctuous,
    Vicar Most Vicious, Padre of Perdition,
    Cardinal Sin, Abbot of Anger, Bishop of Baloney,
    Lord High Clam.
    Help His Ecsleaziastical Eminence here:

    All fresh ads:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2473011

    And who said there was nothing free in $cientology:
    http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/zip/4578264113.html

    • Mark Foster

      Whew! Add: Vicar Most Viscous, Padre of Pendejos, Chairman Chingadera, The Pajillero Pontiff,
      Obispo Es Bajo De Cajones(¨the short-as-fuck bishop)

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve added Lil Demon Dave, Rabbi of Righteousness, Bally Llama, Org Ogre Most Unctuous, Vicar Most Vicious, Padre of Perdition, Cardinal Sin, Abbot of Anger, Bishop of Baloney,Lord High Clam, and His Ecsleaziastical Eminence to the list of DAVID MI$CAVIGE NICKNAMES http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439058509

      The only nickname that was already on the list was Punching Pontiff.

      The list is now 1034 nicknames long.

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      Is it true that JJ in Boston has surrendered?

      • http://forums.whyweprotest.net DuckBenway

        I think that “surrendered” would be an overstatement of JJ’s present condition.

        “Rattled” would be closer to what I imagine he’s feeling.

        What with the org moving, and the move re-scheduled to September (sometime) and all the parishioners getting uppity about it all, he may be close to surrender, but hasn’t yet crossed the finish line.

        I expect that the Red-X Parade will finish him off over the next few months.

        Nice thread at ESMB for keeping track of Boston and JJ’s slow-motion implosion.

        http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?7231-Boston/page63

  • Anonymous

    Was Finkelstein just a hired man or did he do Scientology? Anyone knowing facts?

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    This movement has too many things going against it.

    It’s running off the money it squeezes out of the faithful, not from societal support, this article shows.

    Their top decider “leader” isn’t allowing sensible strategic planning to reform Scientology.

    Mo top councils (no Watchdog Committee, no Exec Strata, both are the real strategic managment bodies, that were supposed to author and coordinate the movement’s strategy, it wasn’t supposed to be run by COB RTC). Hubbad’s 1982 and 1983 movement strategy policies require heads of the top management bodies to write their units’ strategies and coordinate an overall strategy. Miscavige has assumed that role, made the Hole to slap those failed top council members and heads into shape, and no change from that draconian irreligious “handling” of the movement’s top managers!

    Policy of Hubbard’s has to be cancelled. That leap has to be done, so that the movement changes.

    Mat said in his interview he sees no change possible.

    There’d have to be allowed policy change and then implement the policy change.

    Society won’d buy Scientology until he changes those keystone policies that make Scientology a group NOT to be joined!

    The auditing and training and exorcism that is the tech of Scientology is on the internet and freezone and Independent Scientologists deliver that auiting and training and exoricsm without the big oppressive official Scientology church setup.

    That’s where it’s at in Scientology history.

    There’s no demand for Scientology, due to official Scientology stuck with Hubbard policy that makes society NOT want to come near Scientology.

    Cancel their problematic policies, simple as that. Some allowance for their top councils (WDC and Exec Strata to form, but work out implementing major policy cancellation)..

    Hubbard’s “church” policies are the continuing problem, he didn’t apparently want to know the bad effects his own policies were causing and cutting across his auditing, training and exorcism practices.

    Hubbard’s general admission of “failing” that Hubbard admitted to Sarge Steven Pfauth at the Creston Ranch in the final months of Hubbard life, is still the new news all Scientologists should know, by reading “Going Clear…” and “Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior” for starters.

    Members ought to quit in all cases, I feel, but at least members should start reading and listening to the books and internet Scientology criticism that explains why Scientology isn’t expanding anymore.

    On Germany, I think of two “earlier similar” leaders, who had bad endings, Captain Bill and Jens Bogvad.

    Scientology’s history is littered with failures.

    • Mark Foster

      Your comments and knowledge of Scientology history are especially valuable and helpful for those who are contemplating leaving the church and for those who believe there is some value in practicing Scientology independently. Personally(based on experience), I think $cientology and its creator are shit, but I can honestly appreciate your viewpoint and experience. Thanks, again, for your words.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        I agree with you, I myself try not to promote Scientology, but even discussing their future is a kind of backhand promotion.

        • Missionary Kid

          I also appreciate your comments. Your insight into the history and development of $cientology are welcome and necessary to understand the way in which it operates.

          While I agree that there is some value that people have gotten from auditing, I am convinced that other means of therapy, or even just talking with someone who doesn’t have an agenda and is willing to listen dispassionately, can be much better at helping a person as well as being much less expensive. Also, a professional can spot underlying psychological or even physiological problems that Scientology refuses to address.

          The “anti-drug” stance of Hubbard, particularly in light of much more subtle drugs available is ridiculous. It’s like a person who takes a 1930s attitude of refusing to fly in an airliner because its to dangerous, when it’s now the year 2014.

          My viewpoint is that $cientology, be it Freezone or Co$, is based on a foundation of Jello, and that vast efforts are made by members of both groups to save it are working against the tide of progress, as well as continuing to imprison their minds is a system of beliefs that were only set up for the benefit of the person at the top.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            My compressed snark on the subject goes to the wins some experienced when using leeching tech from another century. There were actual physical experiences that caused different phenomena for some who praised it’s value for all mankind.

            Leeching as a practice is now pretty much frowned upon because there are so much more effective and safer methods of getting well. And that is why I frown upon scientology.

            • Missionary Kid

              *Chuckle* Leeches are now used medically, but not to extract blood, but to eat away at dead tissue. They have more use than $cientology.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Whaaaaa? Well, there’s that whole parasitic imagery. Ewwwww.

            • Missionary Kid

              They do a better job of removing necrotic tissue than surgeons can, and they leave living tissue alone. The leeches are raised in a sterile environment so they don’t transmit disease to patients.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Ahhhh, thanks. So leeches are more useful And more humane. :)

            • Missionary Kid

              Leeches are more useful and humane than Co$ has ever been.

            • stanrogers

              No, that’d be maggots. Leeches are still used for blood removal, usually in reattached/reconstructed limbs, appendages and bumpy bits where circulation hasn’t yet been properly established. Getting oxygenated blood in is easy if there’s no stagnant “used” blood hanging about the place, and veinous circulation is notoriously difficult to repair surgically, though that’s a self-correcting problem, given enough time. Leeches provide the “enough time” term of the equation. (If you’re really lucky, you can have both maggots and leeches working on you at the same time. Or you can say, “Um… uh… you know, I’ve never really had to rely on that pinky anyway, so… maggots and leeches, you said, right?…”)

            • Missionary Kid

              Stan, thanks for the correction. That was a major brain fart on my part for everyone to see. One thing about the internet is that when I make a mistake, everyone can see it.

              Thanks again.

            • Missionary Kid

              Stanrogers corrected me. It’s maggots that do the cleaning, leeches remove excess blood. See his correcting post at http://tonyortega.org/2014/07/22/more-trouble-for-scientology-fundraising-and-recruitment-in-europe/#comment-1498901912

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Too bad Hubbard wasn’t as candid in a broad public issue to his members, as he was with Sarge Steven Pfauth at the end of his life, when he admitted he’d failed, just before he died. Because he still wished his Senior C/S Int Ray Mitoff to administer a bunch of commands of the “End of Life” process to Hubbard, he seems to have been still a believer in his own “tech” to the end. He also planned to go circle a distant star, which is the OT running program, another spiritual rejuvenation process that Hubbard claimed was done in millions of years ago space civilizations as a process to rejuvenate pure souls.

            He seems, even though he admitted failure, to still believe in his stuff.

            Hubbard is about “case”, people’s mental bric a brack they’ve continued to be supposedly burdened with over the super zillions of years of history, and his Scientology is a mental elimination crank pseudo therapy.

            His Scientology tech is long range about stripping off the mental bric a brack so the person attains pure soul beingness with no need of a body. Not something any human Scientologist ever attained, nor Hubbard.

            To me it’s all hopeful soul improvement, never proven, no OT superpeople produced, and the followers really still wishing and hoping it will be true, and believing what they are doing of the Hubbard zillions of process commands on themselves, is working.

            It’s already given to the Scientologists that they don’t need some big legal deal to consider this basic spiritual goal and practice of theirs, even this stripped down version that is just the bare minimum tech that the freezone does, both official and freezone Scientology might never need to prove their auditing of past lives and exorcism of body thetans is is a religion, it seems already to fit human allowance. There goal is pure OT soul rehabilitation, although none, including Hubbard, ever attained this.

            All the Hubbard totalitarian rules system and green volumes rules that claim that only official Scientology totalitarian KSW Scientology is real Scientology, isn’t necessarily true. The freezone seem to produce just as adequate and satisfactory results to the members’ acceptance, as does official Scientology, they make themselves just as happy as official Scientologists. So freezone strips out the KSW totalitarianism rules, but keeps the supposedly spiritual gains part, the core of the subject.

            I’d say that the stripped down freezone people are the way of the future.

            Reform, as I see it, will be official Scientology one way or another moving in the direction that freezone Scientology has already taken.

            • Missionary Kid

              I doubt that with DM at the helm that reform is possible. If it’s attempted, Co$, without the intense pressure on its members to conform, will rapidly fragment. It will exist, but only at a fraction of its present size.

              In fundamentalist religions, change is resisted by the followers, some more than others. If the core group changes its course, many people drop out. There will always be a hard core element to keep up the delusion, but they will be a fraction of the total group, IMO.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              People who’ve worked long years close to DM would agree with you.

              My forever hope that I used to place in Scientology being a good force in the world, now that vacuum of hope I place in hoping the best that this movement ceases those parts of itself that are inhumane and wrong morally. And likely it will be after DM is gone from their midst, if those left can outthink the Hubbard minefield that keeps connecting the bad parts of the movement to the practicing parts of the tech. (And even the tech, to me, is kind of a false validating fantasy practice, since I no longer believe that past lives and body thetans are real.)

            • Missionary Kid

              $cientology is based on appealing to the emotions. To me, it sounds like you still have the hope you started with, but you haven’t made the scary leap to the conclusion that the very underlying core of $cientology, its mechanisms and motives are simply meant to get money. IMO, that corruption is so deep that there is virtually nothing left if ANY reforms are undertaken that there’s virtually nothing left that cannot be accomplished much more easily or with much less harm to one’s self or society by many other systems or methods.

              For instance, making the world a better place (aka saving the planet) is an impossible task for an individual, but there are multiple solutions that can be worked towards from different angles by different people. Co$ insists that its methods ( tech) alone can accomplish this. IMO, what “Clearing the planet means is of all other ideas.

              IMO, many Indies are still on that track.

              That’s on a global level.

              On a personal level, IMO, any value of $cientology auditing is far superceded by other means of therapy, and I speak as a person who has benefitted from a form of it that had no coercion nor a cult of personality and complete confidentiality.

              To use $cientology for anything is to use mmethods abandoned 50, 60, 70,80, to 100 years ago as either ineffective or destructive by the rest of the world.

              My opinion is that, like the KKK, it needs to be utterly destroyed.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              As people lose interest, which they for the majority do, there’s no need to actively bother destroying the movement, but expose it’s ongoing inhumane abuses every time they surface, until it moves into CST staff waiting at the vaults in vain for Ron’s return (I wonder what Shelly’s thinking about Ron as she walks to and fro at CST mother site).

            • Missionary Kid

              To me, exposure will lead to destruction, except for the true sociopaths. who will try to keep the organization alive by manipulating the few who refuse to recognize what they’re trapped in.

              I would imagine that Shelly tries not to think of Ron too much. She’s probably only trying to survive in what Davy has devised as a monotonous hell for her. (I believe he’s a sadist).

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              I asked Prof James Beverley his opinion, a couple years back, whether Scientology would totally self destruct, he said the pattern is that the majority of the tens of thousands of religious groups with as much written “scriptures” carry on with tiny memberships.

              Scientology has so much written material, it will attract the past live therapy explorers and those wanting the Ls and other specialized therapy past live related rundowns to delve into their minds.

              It’s just too chock full of written step by step doable mental practice, and that whole lineup of thousands of commands to the step by step mental practice is online, for anyone to read it all free and give it a try, in the same fashion people read the original Dianetics “therapy” and gave it a fad try in 1950 during its heyday.

              The oppressive administrative echelon system of Scientology might not even crash and burn for decades, but slowly decline, and maybe some big shocks legally or lose their US tax exemption newly and with finality might knock it from a religion to a past lives mental trauma therapy and exorcism (to deal with more trauma that leaks into our minds) practice after the official church is “destroyed”.

              The subject, the therapy/exorcism is out there, and people will stumble on it all by itself without any promotion of it at all. The official church might in a few decades, maybe less, collapse or seriously downsize, of it’s own bad management and bad marketing. But that wouldn’t destroy it, it’d just downsize drastically, and even a tax exemption loss in the US wouldn’t destroy it, just downsize it massively.

              So

            • Missionary Kid

              I think that your assessment of the cult as continuing on a very small basis is true, as well as the seekers for past life existence will take up some part of $cientology. In another generation, there will be a brief flare up of a different form of the cult, I believe, but that’s why it’s important to expose the toxicity of Hubbard’s ideas.

              Hopefully, Shelly will emerge as a witness. She will certainly have PTSD.

    • ze moo

      Some day there will be ‘Second Church of $cientology, Reformed’. Rebranding and shuck and jiving are the hallmarks of this scam. It will be fun to watch the fight over copyrights and trademarks when that happens. Clamatology can’t evolve, it always was about the innurement of Lron and now his most loyal minion Little Davy. No one is going to give up that cash flow just to be a ‘kinder, gentler’ scam.

      • Mooser

        Well, if the Reformed Church of Scientology wants some pointers, they should look at the Fisher-Wallace Stimulator.

    • AlexM

      I like your idea Chuck. It’s common sense meets rationality. Not sure how that will go over in the Church though.

    • Richard Grant

      Chuck, I get the impression that some of the Freezone folks are still clinging to the attitudes and world-view that have made the official COS a toxic environment.

      An example: Scientology_411 recently tweeted a link to a thread at Milestone 2 where everybody was piling on Chris Shelton. It started with a long post by some guy who had evidently spent a few hours writing down all the high crimes against Scientology that Chris has committed, mostly written in tech jargon that I was only partly able to understand, though I got the gist of it — a whole boatload of missed withholds, along with many other things. And this was followed by many comments along the lines of, “Wow, thanks, Mike or Mat or whoever, you’ve really written a masterpiece here, let’s see that schmuck Shelton wriggle out of this one.” Then there was a very authoritative comment by somebody called Jana, I think, who told us that whenever you see an anti-Scientology post, you know that person is being paid to write this stuff. Follow the money, Jana wisely said, and you’ll understand everything.

      I don’t know if this is representative of the current state of the Independent movement — though it does seem to echo some of the postings on the South African blog as well — but to the extent that it is, I don’t see much hope for serious reform there.

      • Observer

        Why is everyone but me getting paid to post anti-Scn stuff?! I DEMAND TO KNOW! *pic*

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          ^^^
          She works hard for the money,
          So you better treat her right!

        • lucille austero

          I am a highly-paid $cientology critic. Yes.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I am still waiting for my check from big pharma. They keep telling me it is in the mail.

        • D.Y.G.

          I haven’t gotten anything but that $1,000.00 Eli Lilly check you gave me.

        • Hyder Simpson

          Rip says we will work for biscuits but as I told Graham this morning, biscuits don’t buy new keyboards.

      • NOLAGirl

        I saw that post too and it is one part of what broke my last straw of feeling bad for Indies. That attack on Chris was childish and uncalled for. I don’t care what anyone believes in but once you start attacking good people who are just trying to speak the truth (per LRH policy), I’m done.

        ETA: They don’t have to agree with Chris, but treating him that way is slimy.

        • D.Y.G.

          Notice he singles out Chris out of all the other highly visible ex-Sea Org escapees. Dude’s beef is personal.

          When I was in the Sea Org and Shelton was the Tech Aide WUS, I pointed out to him that there was a lot of out tech going on with the GAT and the products that were coming out of RTC and Gold. What did he do? He wrote a KR on me and had me busted. Good handling Chris. And now he natters about the whole mess. What kind of responsibility is that?

          • pluvo

            Oh surprise, surprise. That’s what you are supposed to do in the cult: writing a knowledge
            report on anyone who is ‘nattering’, says anything critical; it’s in its culture of snitching and it is in its policies. I miss so much the KR battles – NOT.
            I was once doing KR filing in the ‘ethics’ department. It’s somewhat like doing filing for the Stasi or the ‘Ministry of Truth’.

      • Missionary Kid

        I want some of that motherfucking money. I’ve posted here more times than anyone else! All I’ve gotten is some wonderful appreciation and some great laughs at $cientology’s expense – be it Co$, LRH, or Freezone.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        good, I’ll start paying attention.

        Freezone Independents who are sticklers will be more prone to the old OSA divide and conquer internet trolling tactics, so I’ll have to read it and see if it’s sloppy OSA stuff, or genuine nattery not really out of the totalitarian mindset ex Sea Org member.

        And just assuming some are really still very COS toxic, that’s a new bad side for which I tend to approve more of the more goner squirrels who are free enough to discard this or that of Hubbard’s ideas easily, they get squirrely enough, and they genuinely can think for themselves!
        These make wrong Indies of Milestone II, I’ll have to read up on what they say exactly.

    • Mooser

      Those are great plans, Chuck! And what would you do about the e-meter?

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Leaving the emeter crutch, the Scientologists will want it.

        They can’t be legally disallowed using it, it just needs constant mention that the emeter does not provide scientific proof of past lives nor proof of body thetans.

        If I were a freezone or independent, I’d keep the crutch, of course. I’m an atheist, it is a false scientific validation tool, it does not prove past lives nor body thetans. I’m completely NOT one to do Scientology, but if I were a believer, I’d have to keep the emeter. It supposedly helps find the “charged” areas of a person’s case that need the Hubbard auditing and exorcism to fix those “charged” zones of a person’s memories and their body thetans infesting them!

    • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

      Chuck ! come into my office at once young boy !

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Did you see the advertisement, an in house tech film advertisement, for the “Scientology Passport”.

        A smartly dressed young man, about 13 years old, walks into a space age looking reception of a future Scientology org. He announces, “I’m back!” The ad narrator then describes the Scientology Passport, which presumably this young man asks to have his Scientology Passport, which I guess beforehand this future age “Ideal Org” has dug up this young man’s Passport from his past life, and hands it to him. It contains ALL of the training and processing he accomplished in his last life, so everyone at this future org knows where this young man is on the Bridge to Total Freedom chart, so he doesn’t have to redo anything.

        Hubbard possibly, may have secretly set himself some “tests”, for his next lifetime memory to remember.

        So you walking into an LRH office as a young man, totally conceivable, and per Dylan Gill the ex CST staffer who Tony has done several articles mentioning, LRH did indeed have things at CST, the CST logo in the ground, bulldozed into the ground, for LRH to locate the CST sites, where he’s got his apartment to “grow up” if he wishes.

        Not gonna happen, but like the sci fi movies like the Fifth Element, with priests waiting for the aliens to return, Scientology may well dwindle to the CST staff!

        • J. Swift

          When it comes to writing about Scientology, Chuck Beatty is, imo, the William Burroughs of the Underground Bunker. I find Chuck’s written descriptions to be both amazing and distinctive.

          Chuck is both structurally and nativistically precise when he writes about Scientology.

          Only someone who spent decades everyday reading Hubbard could write like Chuck.

          Chuck, I am your biggest fan!

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            I was in depth willing for wacky L. Ron Hubbard to be right about all he wrote, and during my years at the height of my Scientology staffer career I identified most as a training Course Supervisor. The part of that job in their organizations I loved most, was finding from the Hubbard or other authorized references allowed, the answer to student’s questions, answers all slanted to favor Hubbard’s take on earth and the universe.

            Doing that job so long, and that being my “fanatical” dedicated period, that kind of detailed fanaticism to look and listen and read what Hubbard wrote and Hubbard’s effects on those around him, I’m constantly still judging him and all he did per his own “how could it be that way” focus.

            The “Supervisor’s Code” which I memorized taking days to do so, says:

            “1. The Supervisor must never neglect an opportunity to direct a student to the actual source of Scientology data.”

            skipping on this next one still unfortunately sticks in me:

            “8. The Supervisor should be able to answer any questions concerning Scientology by directing the student to the actual source of the data. If a Supervisor cannot answer a particular question, he should always say so, and the Supervisor should always find the answer to the question from the source and tell the student where the answer is to be found.”

            and further:

            “19. The Supervisor will never give a student opinions about Scientology without labeling them thoroughly as such: otherwise, he is direct only to tested and proven data concerning Scientology.”

            lastly

            “21. The Supervisor will be a stable terminal, point the way to stable data, be certain, but not dogmatic or dictatorial, toward his students.

            “22. The Supervisor will keep himself at all times informed of the most recent Scientology data and procedures and communicate this information to his students.”

            People who know this code and the other codes of Scientology, see the lingering effects, line per line, on me. Judging how those lingering concepts from the Hubbard “Codes” affect a person still, I judge the ex members and myself a lot on the basis of them outthinkink themselves back OUT of Hubbard’s “Codes.”

            Another very helpful ex Sea Org member named Paul Adams, also a long time course sup, when he answered thousands of people’s questions, he displayed much of the same above points, with today ex Course Sups being allowed to give way more verbal data (a no no inside the movement).

            I did like Kerouac and did read the New York Review of Books, so heard of great writers, and I loved Hunter Thompson, all before joining the Sea Org way back, and I used to read the old Rolling Stone weekly mags a lot.

  • flyonthewall
  • nottrue

    Thanks Fink. You did a great job fucking up things for scientology……[pic fake]

  • flyonthewall

    From beyond the grave this is Kasey Kasem sending a big F you out to Church of Scientology from The Bunker – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Sea Org: Many are cold, few are frozen.

  • AlexM

    Tony,

    It was an honor to contribute what I could to this post and thank you for quoting me. Thank you also for your kindness and all your hard work!

  • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

    There is a weird sort of micro-economy inside of Scientology. The people hurting most from this fundraising and bad PR are the Scientologists who rely on Scientologists for their income. There used to be few contact points between the outside world and Scientology. Those contact points are the only places that you can expect to bring in new money. The more of Scientologists’ money that Miscavige gobbles up, the more Scientologists are going to need to increase those contact points.

    It used to be that the bulk of Scientologists received money by performing services for other Scientologists. For example, my dad works for a CPA firm who’s list of clients are exclusively Scientologists. Some of those Scientologists own or work for businesses that recruit for Scientology, or own stores where Scientologists shop. The Scientologists that work at those stores make their money by working for Scientologists who own businesses that draw revenue by recruiting for Scientology by teaching the “admin tech” to businesses. Those businesses are one of the few places where there is contact with the outside world and where new money can be brought into the fold. It should be noted that most Scientologists work for Scientologists.

    I think that one of the major shifts inside of Scientology, albeit a less visible one is that this micro-economy is starting to collapse which is forcing Scientologists to find new jobs with non-Scientologists. When that happens, people are exposed to the real world. Then they simply disappear. Inside of Scientology, Scientologists are running out of money. I can see businesses starting to fail (if they haven’t already), and people going bankrupt on an almost regular basis. Eventually the money is just going to run out.

    • Science Doc

      This is a very important point. If John P. or someone else with an economics bent is out there please take note.

      • Sidney18511

        The cos can survive decades just on the interest their millions/billions make.
        I believe that they pay property taxes on these buildings until they open them then they pay nothing.
        I believe that they can keep going until there is no one left. Then
        DM can finally relax with all the green.

        • Observer

          I’m not sure he could ever adapt to a life where nobody is gushing fulsome praises at him. That’s not gonna happen in the Big House.

          • ze moo

            There will always be a few who worship Lroon and his successor. Davy will never lack for lackeys. That does sound a bit like hell, doesn’t it? Constant praise from clowns with no idea what life or proper english is really like. Tom Cruise just might be able to fill that bill.

        • DeElizabethan

          Great day when he can control some buildings, empty shells, but have no people left. Scientology is Gone!

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          It looks like they will run out of people before they run out of money…

    • w.martin

      It is a self-licking ice cream cone.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
    • DeElizabethan

      This is so spot on Derek and Halleluiah when they run out of money.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      This is a great insight, Derek. As they need to move out into the real world they will be exposed to the kindness and compassion of people in the real world, as well as the bad reputation of $cilon.

    • chukicita

      Excellent point. I remember when it came out that Lisa McPherson was working for Bennetta Slaughter at AMC Publishing (WISE) for what seemed like a really inflated salary when it came down to her experience in that industry – but then most of her salary went to Scn. ( iremember something about her bank account being cleaned out shortly after her death as well).

      • Simi Valley

        It used to be the case that scilon employers would sometimes offer perks to scilon employees that included training, IAS donations, etc.

      • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

        Classic money laundering, being paid extreme wages for something that is not nearly worth the money then purchasing goods and services from one’s employer at extreme cost when the goods and services are worthless. That’s one of the things Interpol looks for in money laundering.

    • aquaclara

      This is a substantial point. And as it affects the businesses, people go broke. As I read this, I even thought of just one small example: the order that came down in Clearwater trying to call a halt to the “outside housing for rent” and instead, promote reserving Flag cult housing.

      There are a number of condos owned by Scientologists and rented out to visitors. There are also houses with rooms to rent out for short or long-term stays.

      So apparently, there are vacancies at Flag now. And some Scientologists who own condos with the idea that rental income would help cover the mortgage may find themselves in foreclosure.

      I wonder if Wise membership is dropping?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        May find themselves in foreclosures. That happened en masse along with bankruptcies some years ago, plus most wanted to flee the screaming monkeys who invaded them even at work and their home and the store!

    • Techie

      Excellent point Derek. For those who want to dive into this more, and for some serious lulz, try WhoWhatWhereDirectory.com, the comprehensive list of Scientology companies and service providers in the LA area. This used to be distributed as a little booklet in stores around the complex for the use of clams who want to stick firmly to the clampire. Somebody better scrape it quick before they pull it, it is full of names, places and information they probably don’t want the Bunker to know about.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        The Razz Line too. I’ve been yapping about these sci businesses for years. Too many are run on the edge of fraud and have done harm in too many communities. God, I know some of the same crapshooters, most are mini Cardone’s that share the same shark pool in consulting/tech/marketing industries. Oh, and under the wellness umbrella. Scientologists attracted to anything that says quick fix delusion solutions and especially keep me from getting older like those awful humans. While I can still internetz, all connections from anyone were severed like everyone else when even the businesses got thrown into the Watch Out for Falling SP’s zone.

      • aquaclara

        Thanks! The ads are worth reading, too. They are their own Sunday Funnies. Now, they also reference this one for Florida, which, alas, has no fun ads, and might be a bit out of date.
        http://www.wordofmouthdirectory.biz/

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That economy collapsed completely I’d say about 3 years ago, Derek. Reason: Miscavige’s paranoia grew (see any court case or major PR footbullet around that time) to the point of ordering even public to disconnect from any ex scientologists. Many Ex’s were still supporting former spouses, families or at least in touch, plus there were the businesses that were a mix of current, ex’s and non members.

      There is also the factor that sci businesses folded fast due to using sci admin and ethics tech, plus low pay and benefits with high turn over, the consistent rule being that only one or two at the top main 95% of the profits. When customer complaints or lawsuits grew, a new biz name, address was used to incorporate newly. But this process relied heavily on repeat scientology customers. When that dried up due to them being broke, coupled with DM’s order to fire any ex members or whining wogs, it was dead stop. Only a few small business now and they too rely on whale loans I would bet to keep open, but most have to run at least 3 biz simultaneously and will never be out of debt in their lifetime. It’s only one step above the addict begging on the curb or stealing in the back alley.

      The fake scientology business storefronts are being financed almost 100% by the whales now. They’ll probably keep a light on under they drop, and then their grand kids can finally nail it all down and get on with their lives.

      • aquaclara

        To Derek’s and your points, in June, I caught these pics of Cleveland Street. The first two shots are of closed empty Scilon businesses. The third is a pic of the Gaslight Alley walkway nearby, also now much more quiet.

    • Mooser

      Very informative, thanks! I always wondered about that, the Scientology economy.

    • Simi Valley

      Not only do scilons like to work for other scilons, but they seek out scilon dentists, chiro’s, etc. to treat them, as if scilon health care practitioners have some kind of competitive edge over “wog” practitioners.

    • Missionary Kid

      Derek, I have predicted the collapse of $cientology this year. No, Co$ won’t be going broke, but operationally, because of loss of bodies.

      I maintain that it’s the little fish that Co$ has fed on for so long are what have kept it going. They have provided the bodies that at least have kept up the appearances of active orgs in the recent past. With all the emphasis on regging, and, as you point out, the collapse of the small businesses that have, in the past, depended on their $cientology connections for operations, the number of active members is dropping rapidly.

      Here is some of my reasoning that lead me to stick by my prediction.
      1. There are few new bodies in the shop and more are leaving than are coming in.

      2. Long time minions are getting declared.
      A) For expressing dissatisfaction with the way things are being run.
      B) For daring to peek behind the curtain.
      3. The population of both $cientology and the sea org are aging out.
      4. There are few bodies to keep orgs working.
      A) There is little revenue for local staff to live on because of declining numbers of $cientologists to sell stuff to, and the demand for revenue uplines has not been reduced.
      B) With reduction in staff, because of declares and basically starvation wages, more and more work falls upon the staff left. The overwork provides them with a good reason to leave.
      5. The whole organization is set up along the rigid lines set forth by LRH, which are extremely labor intensive and live no room for innovation. As staff is reduced the same amount of labor is spread across fewer and fewer people. Labor saving is not a Co$ goal. More intensive overwork will cause staff to blow.
      6. Co$ won’t reduce its demand for revenue.
      No staff=no services=no people=no revenue coming to an empty org.=collapse operationally.

      • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

        NarCONon, also. The felony indictments that are waiting to be unsealed in Oklahoma. I have said it before that we’re on track to seeing NarCONon shut down across the USofA this year and I hope I’m right.

        • Missionary Kid

          I hope we’re both right.

    • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

      The people hurting most from this fundraising and bad PR are the Scientologists who rely on Scientologists for their income.

      Like Reed Slatkin who supposedly has been released and is back to stealing money from the dimwitted Scientology customers who are still with it.

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Sure, but I’m also talking about people that work for Scientologists, that rely on their salary to come from that Scientologist.

    • John P.

      Derek, this is a very perceptive and accurate comment. You got it exactly right.

      An economist would describe this situation as a shrinking addressable market. As Scientologists are more restricted than ever in dealing with non-Scientologists, the total amount of money they can make goes down. Their “micro-economy,” as you termed it, continually shrinks. Even if the membership of the cult is stable (neither growing nor shrinking), businesses that restrict their addressable market end up losing in the long run to businesses with larger addressable markets, because the potential for growing profits allows firms with larger markets to make investments that allow them to be more competitive. Eventually, Scientology-owned firms will fall further and further behind non-Scientologist firms in their ability to compete in an open marketplace.

      What does this mean? It means that Scientologist-owned businesses were able to get away with high prices, crappy customer service or many other business sins for years because cult members did not have an alternative, so they could rip off cult member customers… particularly since there was no recourse, since Scientology’s “justice” system forbade Scientologists suing each other. If cult-affiliated companies suddenly find themselves in an “open” market, they will fail dismally.

      Parallels exist between cult-affiliated businesses and the tourism industry in North Korea. North Korea’s first effort at getting into the burgeoning cruise ship industry did not get great reviews from the global travel writers who were on the maiden voyage: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/world/asia/north-korea-seeks-to-lure-tourists-to-holiday-cruises.html?pagewanted=all Incidentally, comparisons with the Freewinds cruise experience are sufficiently obvious that I won’t bother to make them.

      So you’re exactly right: cult-affiliated companies are in a tough spot, either forced to try to mine the shrinking customer base or leaping into a broader market where they’re ill-equipped to compete. Neither alternative looks particularly attractive.

      Those who have attempted to use Scientology-derived WISE principles to run businesses catering to non-Scientologists have often been hammered in the market, particularly those dental practices that employed too-aggressive expansion strategies involving prepayment plans that turn out to be ripe for abuse. With the advent of business review sites like Yelp and the reviews section on Google Maps, it’s hard to outrun outrageous business practices… just another way that the Internet is helping to doom the cult.

    • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

      The people who leave for money issues will inevitably drag out the people who don’t have money issues, and as people see that the earth isn’t opening up to swallow the escapees, the bleeding will increase.

    • J. Swift

      Very insightful comment Derek.

    • Baby

      Derek.. I am not blowing smoke up your ass.. For someone who was in the SO your writing skills are exemplary. As a former teacher before I got into counseling in Mental Health I would give you an A +

      xo Baby

  • ze moo

    The expansion or contraction of the clampire is very difficult to measure. One sign of the clampocolypse is the ‘sharing’ of whales among different mOrgs.

    Buffalo NY and Cambridge Ont are ‘strategic partners’, same for Minneapolis/St Paul and I think Kansas City. It’s an 90 minute drive from Cambridge to Buffalo (and a good day at customs), but it is a hell of a long drive between Minnesota and Kansas City. Things are probably much easier in California and Florida, just because more clams live there. But still, the whales are being flogged to donate more and work on the OT committees and do the Stupor Powerz crap and to disseminate {proselytize} the wit and wisdom of Lroon and fight the ebil psychs. Postulate all you want, but there are only so many hours in a day and whales have to make a buck before they can donate them. The beatings can’t continue because the whales will not be treated like the rest of the minions. Every new initiative or pr campaign is just putting more whales out the door or on the fence. It’s easy to hoop off the fence and run when no one is looking.

    Making sense of Davy’s real estate plans is an exercise in futility. He doesn’t buy buildings for their value, or their public relations value, or even based on the number of local clams. Sometimes his buying shows a combination of all three criteria, sometimes they seem a whim. I can’t see the buildings being anything but a moving target for the chumps. They have little value in Dave’s retirement portfolio, they just aren’t liquid enough to be good for anything. The current wave of Idle mOrgs is just an exercise in obeying the COB. Do it or get declared, loyalty to COB is the defining characteristic of the clampire these days.

    So they wanted 150 clams to operate the Stuttgart mOrg? How did they find the 130 they got? From Hungary and Russia? Did the loyal clams send in their firstborn? One hundred and thirty on the payroll {ok not a very expensive payroll}, for what maybe 50 actually taking courses? No, this has become another ‘donations only’ area. Except they will have to cough up for Davy and the electric bill at the mOrg. Major fail…..

    • BosonStark

      Also, not only are the orgs teaming up, but they are forming whole “continents.” The Western US “continent” is on the verge of splitting the country in half, in which case the Mississippi River will be widened considerably. Maybe they’ll have riverboat Orgs.

      • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

        “River Org” for the win! I hope someone suggests that to David. :)

        • Dr_Orpheus

          He would never go for something as gauche as a riverboat. Cruise ships would better appeal to his ego.

          • ze moo

            Just wait for the Ideal $cientology Gambling Cruise. Keep it all off shore and no taxes ever.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              They ships can double as hideouts for His Oiliness should it prove necessary.

    • villagedianne

      I read that the buildings drive started out because one of Tom Cruise’s rich friends complained about the shabbiness of an Org in Spain. This would have been about the time that Miscavige, in imitation of Cruise, was amping up his own lifestyle to lifestyles of the rich and famous. Now he was not satisfied with mere buildings. He wanted the Orgs to be palaces.

      • BosonStark

        I think that’s probably true. During Dr. Hubtard’s time, it was enough to keep as many dives going as possible, fleecing the maximum number of marks. And as long as they kept the CC looking nice, that was all that mattered.

        All it would take would be Cruise seeing one of these little storefront type Orgs and comment on that, and Miscavige would deviate from the Hubbard ethic of any building will do; just pack in the raw meat and get their money.

        Also though, I think before the Internet got to be a real force, as it has, especially with videos beginning in 2005, that there was some sense in trying to find out what appeals to the average dupe and exploit that. It’s also a way of letting the public know that Scientology is a powerful, successful and prosperous organization. You can’t really see that when you’re looking at one of these, used-to-be-a-shoestore Orgs.

        Nutters like Cruise expect to see an impressive new building on every street corner soon, for all the money they’ve dumped on it. The real kicker is going to be when Cruise drops in unannounced on, let’s say, the Berlin Org, and finds there are two people there.

        I think when Scientology used to be a secret, the dumpy orgs were acceptable to people, and even part of the fun. After all, they were learning priceless secrets about knowing how to know, and Xenu, and stuff.

    • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

      That 130 sounds outrageous, I’m not sure how they could come up with 30 unless they actually paid people’s air fare and lied to them about employment — paid employment — and people fell for it.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      150 to show the tyrant for a stat at the opening and maybe the first few months. They have been stealing staff from several different areas to put on this show of filling up new orgs or renovated ones, but then within the year it’s a handful.

  • Mark

    With the news from Stuttgart, how long before we see a scene like this being acted out? (No apologies at all to the late and unlamented “Count” Victor Lustig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lustig Refresh):

    • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

      I’ve been in Paris once:

      http://www.hubbard.org/pics/std/pg001b.jpg

      • Mark

        Come across Victor?

      • Missionary Kid

        So was Hitler. Woopee! Another thing in common.

        • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

          Godwin! GODWIN! :)

          • Missionary Kid

            There’s a lot of parallels. Smashing one’s place into history is what they’ve both done (although the history of LRH has a smaller footprint every day).

            Today, DM is the best SP for the destruction of his organization. Nearly every move he makes or policy he enforces brings about a footbullet or defection. The same could be said about Hitler.

            All efforts to assassinate Hitler were called off by the Allies towards the end of the war because he was doing such a good job of destroying the German military with his actions.

            The biggest difference between the leaders of Co$ and Hitler is, thank goodness, that neither has ever had the power over people Hitler did.

            Sic semper tyrannis.

          • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard
        • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

          You have something about you. You would make a fine Ethics Officer:

          http://barefacedmessiah.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/hitler.jpg?w=440

          • Missionary Kid

            Both ultimately fucked their organizations because they reigned by chaos.

      • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

        Ug, and to think I once stood right where this fat fuck is standing.

  • NOLAGirl

    Today’s post made me think of what a wonderful network of people we have around the world involved in this fight. The way everyone works together is something that inspires me daily. :) (refresh)

    • Sidney18511

      I’m with you on that Nola! Just pure love and caring,

    • René Kraaz
    • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

      There’s no CICSs here! :)

    • Baby

      OMG Nola.. I see Meeeeeeeeeee ! Shoot had I known that they were taking a picture I would have held in my tummy.. Shit.. Can we have a do over? xo

      • NOLAGirl

        LoL

        No worries, you always look beautiful. :)

  • dagobarbz

    It just amazes me that the poor suckers of the San Diego org, after all the regging and fundraising and special events to secure the Ideal Org property that used to be Coleman College, are even willing to embark on another cycle of fundraising for yet ANOTHER property they can’t afford. The Duggans, DM’s pet whales, helped San Diego buy the property, but apparently the SD org only got bailed out a couple of times, usually paying penalties on failing to pay property taxes. Twice that I recall, the debt vanished, but immediately started growing again.

    San Diego can’t afford jack. They already exhorted their members to ‘cash in your heirlooms,’ so what do they have left to give?

    • Observer
    • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

      I’m surprised that their San Diego business office is still open. I recall the protests against their human rights abuses showing the clowns putting up advertisement and cardboard to try to pretend human rights protesters didn’t exist. :) But the glimpses inside showed 1 person, maybe 2 at most — which made putting out the barricades all the more lulzy, more so when it was windy.

      • dagobarbz

        Were you around for the “interfaith” baloney? AssemblywomanToni Atkins put together an interfaith meeting. Scientology volunteered to set up a website etc. so what happened? The cult became the gatekeeper between the interfaith network and the public. And the one time there was a meeting recorded, the president of the SD org leaped on stage to grab a speaker’s hand for a photo op. Later it was suggested that the Scientologist was being “thanked” for his effort, using the photo to verify. They really are a special piece of work, them clams. Karma is slowly claiming them, and I am slowly giggling.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m giggling faster and faster.

  • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

    It’s a God awfull shame Scientologists are procecuted like so many other groups in hatefull Germany:
    http://media.news.de/resources/thumbs/fe/47/855245372_800x600/cb74da232cce63f30a123f69f1de.jpg

    • nosce

      You are gonna have problems with your Sec Checks if you are on this site. The Internet is a very dangerous place for a Scientologist.

      • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

        I rubbed elbows with all kinds and types of men.

        -Ron

        • nosce

          You are correct, that is what “he” said.

          • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

            I have something to show you

            • nosce

              I am disinclined to acquiesce

        • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

          And by “elbows” you mean “crotches.” :)

    • nosce

      During the Spanish Iquisition, aproximately 6,000 were killed based on schollarly research. Some have inflated the numbers to 9,000,000.

      Score: How many Scientologies have been killed during this “inquisition” process, none. How many have lost their lives in the care of Scientology . . I will not spoil the end of the story for you but it is more than 1.

      The photo you provide is more indicative of the Massachusett Bay Salem Trials where young girls were
      subjected to “peine forte e dure.” The longer this thread goes, the more likely it is that someone will invoke Godwin’s law.

      • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

        Most people who invoke Godwin do so inaccurately since they never looked it up to see what it actually says.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          I knew Godwin’s Law when it was just Godwin’s Rule.

      • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

        You limit yourself to the MEST universe dear nocse:

        Thethans have been killed over a 10 trillion years, left, right and yonder:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGKH4Ami59g

        • nosce

          Well then, since “thetans” are killed over trillions of years and “yonder,” I guess it is OK those people died under your care and trust. I will venture to offer that their relatives would take exception with your logic.

          • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

            To “Die” is just exteriorizing, Your as a Thetan will live on.

            -Ron

            • nosce

              So what you are saying is that it is OK for a stranger to snuff the life of your beloved child because, well, she has just being exteriorised . . .

    • jeff

      Ron, I think the word you want here is persecuted, not prosecuted. But go ahead, have some more pinks.

    • J. Swift

      Scientologists are such flagrant drama queens — and perhaps this explains why Scientology attracts so many actors. It is not surprising that Scientologists engage in obnoxious, idiotic, obscene, and violent behavior only to claim “persecution” when they are criticized. What else do you expect from drama queens?

      • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

        I always tought I could have been a great actor.

        -Ron

  • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

    Nur wale?

    • Walter Mitty

      This is mag-nat-lificent!

      • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

        Tee-hee. you’re punny!

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    More trouble for Scientology

    Oh, I like days which start with this phrase!

  • Ardent

    Yeah well, big surprise. The cult is run by a bunch of criminals. It just astounds me the stupid whales don;t figure this out. How did they make millions, if they are so utterly dull, witless and disconnected to reality? My mind boggles again. Thanks for this fascinating news, Tony. It’s been a while since I have complimented you, but man, you really do deserve a pulitzer for all your work. I admire you tremendously. Thanks Tony, for all you do.

    • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

      It does not require smarts to make money off of other people’s work. Look at every shitting Republican out there with special focus on Mitt Romney. They and their buddies loot companies by using the company’s own assets to seize control of them, sell the intellectual property of the companies to our nation’s enemies, then sell the gutted company after massive layoffs to suckers who look at the history of the company, then these shitting Republican traitors move on to the next company to loot.

      • Ardent

        Yes. Well, one word:” assholes.

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    “Could Scientology be giving up on major parts of the globe and focusing more and more on the last pockets where the few remaining wealthy donors are?”

    But Scientology is expanding like never before!

    New churches are opening every day!

    COB RTC is overseeing the unprecedented clearing and sanity yadda yadda yadda like the world has never, evah seen before!

  • Sejanus

    $cientology. We lie like a bad rug.

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    By the way, Finkelstein’s wife Has A Scientology Cookie Cutter Page and yet the arsonist, bomber, and murderer-wannabe husband himself has been scrubbed by the Scientology criminals from their web sites.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Does anyone have a list of all the names with cookie cutter pages from back in the day?

      • Techie

        You probably just have to scrape the our-home.org domain. Google shows quite a few of them. A little spider could do it. They were all set up with very little originality so I am sure there is an easy way to locate them. One domain to rule them all, one domain to find them, one domain to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, in the land of Miscavige where the shadows lie.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          I mean all the names when it went up, before they started unpersoning people.

          • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

            I have all that, I really need to put it on line again.

            • aquaclara

              ^^^^^.

      • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

        I do, however most of them were fake, they were culled from on-line phone books which were very inaccurate back then. I have their entire cookie cutter web site downloaded, stored on a hard drive in Arizona. I need to get out there and get it one day, but it was never truthful. They added real Scientology customers and criminals over time but the initial glut was all fake.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          It still could be useful. The fake names would rarely blow from Scientology or get tossed in jail, so comparing that list with the current ones would give names added or subtracted since then. (But not names added and subtracted.)

          Hmm. I should check my ARS archives to see if anyone ever dumped it.

  • Captain Howdy

    I was just reading the Milestone Two blog that people mentioned earlier and I was shocked to read this claim from Tom Martiniano, the whack-job whose blog it is:

    “I audit daily, and I work at reforming the Phoenix VA along with Senator
    Mccain and Congresswoman Sinema. I also work with the Wounded Warrior
    Project, using Scientology,”

    WTF? Is this true, and if so, it is definitely worth a story or two and should be brought to the attention of the Veterans Administration asap. I don’t think they’re in any postilion to court any more bad publicity.

    • Baby

      I lurk there daily.. Just keep reading Howdy.. UGH.. I can only take a little at a time..

      • Captain Howdy

        If this clown is remotely in the vicinity of vets he needs to publicly eviscerated.

    • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

      ROFL! The Scientology clown thinks he’s “working with Senator McSame.” ROFL! These Scientology dimwits really are frothingly insane. Totally unsalted nuts.

      • D.Y.G.

        He’s picking lettuce with John McCain in Yuma, Arizona. $50.00 an hour.

        You can’t do it, my friend

        (I can’t even think about John McCain or Yuma, Arizona without referencing the picking of lettuce)

        • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

          ROFL! I remember trying to get migrant worker employment when a farm workers’ union invited people to “see how it feels” to do that work. Nobody would hire me, not even for less than minimum wage, they only wanted brown people to work the fields. I emailed my responses from farmers to the Union and they ignored me. :)

          • D.Y.G.

            They probably thought you were an infiltrator trying to catch them doing illegal shit with their brown employees. (which they probably were actually doing)

    • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

      It’s not a Scientology dimwit working with McSame, Captain, it’s just some clown who *might* be part of the Wounded Warrior group in that he “liked” their Facebook page. You can bet there’s zero collusion with the Republican cunt.

    • D.Y.G.

      Yeah I caught that, and it was disturbing. He also said he did ‘contact’ and ‘nerve’ assists on military people who were there during the Katrina debacle.

      • Captain Howdy

        I’m appalled this is even a possibility.

        • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

          He’s not getting permission from anyone. If he were that would be different but the loon is touching people — so he claims — without anyone’s formal, official permission.

          • Captain Howdy

            If he’s doing volunteer work with wounded vets and he’s surreptitiously using scientology tech, this is unacceptable and needs to be exposed publicly.

            • D.Y.G.

              Wounded Warrior Project is another one of the organization names he dropped.

              http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/contact-us/phoenix.aspx

            • NOLAGirl

              Thanks for the Twitter link D. I tweeted them the info and the link. Hope they see it.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks for the link. I sent them an e-mail for what it’s worth.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Not to worry. Veterans groups of many different stripes have been educated on what to look for :)

              A few quackers might crack through an opening to one or two individuals, but veterans organizations will not put up with scamming or taking advantage of veterans.

            • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

              These safeguards might be compromised now due to the astounding number of vets in need of care though

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Good point.

        • D.Y.G.

          I think he’s full of shit. The more I think about it, the more I don’t believe it.

      • NOLAGirl

        He’s full of shit. No one, after Hurricane Katrina, was in need of “nerve assists” and they certainly weren’t helping anyone down here. They may have set up a tent somewhere and offered them but I doubt they had many takers. People were far more concerned with water to drink, food to eat and a place to live.

        Lying liars that lie, even after they’re out.

        • D.Y.G.

          Sounds suspicious, doesn’t it? Here’s what he wrote —

          “Same with Contact Assists and Nerve Assists. I was working hurricane Kartrina and worked out of the Emergency Operations Center in Gulfport run by an Air Force Colonel. We had set up a nerve assist table in the EOC. The Colonel ordered me to set up two more tables because he was sending all of his staff down twice a day minimally because he noticed that Nerve Assists had a way of calming people down and getting them to focus. He told me privately that the Nerve Assists helped him get through the catastrophe faster than he dreamed it would and then later he told that in a Golden Era Studio interview.”

          • NOLAGirl

            I’ve read it. I’d like to know the name of this Colonel. I’ll bet you dinner he can’t/won’t name him, because he’s chock full of bullshit.

            • D.Y.G.

              Where’s the video?

              *crickets*

            • lucille austero

              I believe it was Colonel Grant Cardone :)

            • D.Y.G.

              Was he wearing pants?

            • lucille austero

              You know, this never crossed my mind until now, but do you suppose Grant Cardone could be a robot? And if he were, how would we know?

            • Jimmy3

              Yo, what about like a magnet?

            • lucille austero

              I’m guessing that our robotic Grant Cardone would be made of some combination of carbon fiber and douchebaggery. Thus, a magnet might not stick.

            • D.Y.G.

              Lucille, it’s Elron tech – more like rubber bands, duct tape, and a hamster on a wheel.

            • lucille austero

              And so on and so forth.

            • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

              You are on a roll my dear

            • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

              He’s oiled enough *gag* (to be a robot)

          • ze moo

            Self aggrandizement and bullshit. Who worked those extra tables? Did he clone himself?

          • lucille austero

            Like just some “Colonel” would know what a Nerve Assist was. Hilarious.

    • Jimmy3

      Could you re-link it?

    • Espiando

      It’s not just his blog. It’s the one created by all of the psychos who mass-unfriended Marty when Marty veered away from KSW Ueber Alles a year and a half ago. It’s people like Jim Logan (Annie Broeker’s ex-husband) who are behind it, using Steve Hall’s documentation.

      If I had a choice of who to take down first, Milestone Two or CoS, I’d do Milestone Two. The arrogance that drips off of every single post there is suffocating.

      • Captain Howdy

        Yea, they are definitely worthy of our wrath.
        Catwaaaaaaaa!

        ….

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I had not seen the Milestone Two blog until just now. Yes, very self righteous and arrogant. But most of all, pretty loony.

      • Captain Howdy

        The Dark Side of the indie movement has finally reveled it’s true face.

        • Jimmy3

          it hurts my brain

        • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

          meh

    • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

      Ech. The Stupid hurts my brain. I’m not going there anymore.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Glad you brought it up. I’ve been incensed about it ever since I read that post of his. I’ve been doing research about it, along with crawling through their DC National Affairs Office and lobbying activities but haven’t connected enough dots to post anything substantial yet. On their website (Milestone dot org) they’ve also posted this – see last paragraph in particular:

      “Over the last several months Milestone 2 has been a flurry of activity, and we have been, in all truth, running to keep up. [..] A series of successful Open Houses resulting in growing networks of Scientologists outside of the Corp Scn walls, is being repeated and now used on several different continents. In November there were Open Houses held in at least 5 different locations simultaneously, to build on the results even further.

      We have activated a lot of Scientologists who almost lost hope in Scientology, many of whom are OTs and classed auditors. We also have delivery going in Nevada, California, Phoenix, Dallas and Michigan. And of course we still have delivery continuing to go strongly in Australia, and in Israel.

      As a bonus we are now hooked up to the Veterans of America, the “Wounded Warriors”, “AmVets” and are coordinating delivering to wounded and disabled veterans. This project is near and dear to the hearts of not only some of the MS2 community, but also all of America who have a lot of attention on the veterans. Scientology is being delivered to veterans. In fact we already have a success story from one veteran who was recently delivered to in Phoenix.”

      I’m not sure why but I still find it shocking and disturbing when I come across Indie sites and blogs like these and lift the rocks they’re hiding under only to discover it’s a breeding ground for some slimy, vile Hubbardian critter. It’s not unlike stumbling across a teeming pile of maggots or venomous snake pit. I think these types of Indie groups bear a closer eye on and tracking of their movements. With so many coming out, or about to flee, the corporate chnrch, many are going to gather and look to integrate so they can disseminate but unofficially and under cover of darkness.

      • Captain Howdy

        Good stuff, keep it up, Cars.

      • J. Swift

        From a different perspective, it should be pointed out that no Indie groups have tax exemption, a few billion dollars, fleets of lawyers, cannot lock people up, and do not have a Sea Org. IMO, it is desirable to have hundreds of small and relatively powerless Indie groups bleeding off cash and members from CSI than CSI getting even one penny from anyone. These small groups compete with each other and this too is good.

        Hundreds of Dianetics groups sprang up in 1950 and posed no threat to anyone. That is where it all belongs anyway: In small and independent groups that only people with a real interest attend.

        • Espiando

          Except that these psychos believe: I should be eliminated, quietly and without sorrow, for the gender I’m attracted to; that my happy pills should be taken away; that LRH was a war hero with twenty-seven medals; and that the physics cited in All About Radiation is correct. I’m taking these old decrepit fucks out, by any means necessary.

          You see, Jeff, with me, this fight’s personal. If any Indie believes those things, they’re on my shit list. And I have my own version of Fair Game.

          • J. Swift

            Espiando, I understand that your fight is very intensely personal; that it is a deadly serious activity just like Scientology itself. You have made it quite clear that you are performing a thought policing function whereby you must terminatedly handle certain classes of people who have thoughts and beliefs that you, as a the singular planetary authority on Purity of Thought, find to be abhorrent. Therefore, your aforementioned “shit list.” I am certain that the unwashed Heathen shudder at the thought of being placed upon your list and targeted for thought correction.

            • Espiando

              And I have no problem with that role. Anon said that we would use Scientology’s own tactics to destroy them. This includes being the Thought Police. I have no qualms with triggering a 1984 scenario as long as I’m O’Brien. The Scientology philosophy is that dangerous.

            • Captain Howdy

              O’Brien is the most interesting character in 1984.

              The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.
              – F. Scott Fitzgerald

            • J. Swift

              IMO, this describes most corporate officials.

            • J. Swift

              Espiando, for whatever reasons, perhaps my own Karma, I’ve been around religion and religious people for my entire life.

              When I was young, I heard bitter old raging Pentecostal men blather on about how homosexuals and New Ager’s should all be executed per the Old Testament. Despite their murderous beliefs, these old fools were impotent. This particular group spent most of their evenings over at Elder Warwick’s house drinking, cleaning their guns, and arguing about whether the Rapture was pre-trib, mid-trib, or post trib.

              While these old fools argued about the timing of the Rapture, they all agreed that the Antichrist would be a Gay Catholic man who would rise to power by leading the revived Holy Roman Empire. These idiots were toothless as are most religious people.

              I fully ignore 99.9% of religious idiocy and ranting.

              Scientologists can babble on all they want about “Planetary Clearing” nonsense, but the fact is that they have been reduced to using misleading Craigslist ads in an attempt to dupe unwitting stooges into spending $50 for a crappy Scientology intro course.

              Back to you Joe Bob Briggs:

              http://youtu.be/hV4CsLgCwmU

            • Captain Howdy

              I use to really enjoy Joe Bob. He would do reviews in the S.F Chronicle that would drive all the liberals batty. He would rate the movies with one to four breasts.

        • Captain Howdy

          I prefer to use the Hammer Horror film approach, Jeffery. Scientology is the cult of vampirism and it needs to eradicated wherever it can be found.

          • J. Swift

            Captain Howdy, so what you’re saying is that you would make it illegal to practice Scientology in any form whatsoever? If so, would you also burn all of the Scientology books and e-meters?

            How thorough of a Scientology purge do you want?

            For example, would you appoint Special Police to hunt down and destroy Scientology in all forms?

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          I have no disagreement with your comment, Jeffrey. And I do keep your (gentle) reminder in mind.

          In my haste to post and dash yesterday, I belatedly realized that I made a rather sweeping statement that would probably be interpreted to mean I was referring to all Indie groups. That was not my intention. In my comment I was referring to a specific subgroup of individuals from one specific Indie group, based on my research of comments and behavior in various online communities and reports of actions in RL.

          In my example, what I object to is the targeting of specific groups of vulnerable individuals with offers of “help” and practicing some form of therapy or medicine without qualification nor license and intentionally using deceptive or dishonest means to disguise true identities and purposes, especially when some of the goals are to be accomplished by safe pointing and lobbying “opinion leaders” and politicians to get access to these targeted individuals and/or access government grant monies for services rendered.

          I also know this and bear it in mind, as my 89 yr old Catholic mother is fond of saying, “The road to hell is often paved with good intentions” but I also keep in mind that others are not so well intended. It is the latter that needs to be kept track of and exposed before people are further harmed. That’s all.

      • Sibs

        This caught my attention so I shared this with my friend in Phoenix. She agrees with Howdy. My thought is that the reason nobody’s making a ruckus about it is because it’s not the official Church of Scientology or an exposed front group thereof. People need to realize that the practices themselves are just as noxious as the abuses the cult gets away with.

        • Espiando

          I keep trying to tell them that, Sibs, but people here get so caught up with Disconnection, Fair Game, child abuse, etc., etc., that the fact that the philosophy is utterly repugnant gets swamped. It’s the latter fact that keeps me going, though. Milestone Two needs to be nuked from orbit.

      • NOLAGirl

        “…and in Israel.”

        Because a bunch of jackasses with Way To Happiness booklets is so obviously what that region needs right now. The egos on these people are astounding.

  • https://twitter.com/VolunteerMins VolunteerMinisters

    When do we get the felony indictments getting unsealed and made public in Oklahoma? Anyone know how that effort is progressing?

  • Truthiwant

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      “No, we went over this, you may NOT hire somebody to kill the Judge.”

  • aquaclara

    Just wanted to add my thanks to Mark Tordai as well. This is a good story, and I hope it means that things really are shrinking all over.
    Tony and the Bunker have eyes and ears all over.

  • Sideliner1

    Off topic but interesting…….(excerpt from associated press article from Saturday).
    I think high doses of niacin are used in the Purif Rundown….

    Niacin studies

    The two studies were testing
    prescription versions of niacin,
    and the bottom line — that it
    didn’t help prevent heart problems
    any more than statins
    alone do — has already been
    announced. Some of the side
    effect information, including a
    troubling rise in deaths among
    niacin users in one study, also
    was known but many doctors
    have been waiting for full
    details and verification of the
    results before drawing firm conclusions
    about the drug’s safety
    and effectiveness.
    Those details are in this
    week’s New England Journal of
    Medicine.
    The larger study suggests
    that “for every 200 people that
    we treat with niacin, there is one
    excess death,” plus higher rates
    of bleeding, infections and other
    problems — “a completely unacceptable
    level” of harm, said Dr.
    Donald Lloyd-Jones of Northwestern
    University in Chicago.
    “Niacin should not be used routinely
    in clinical practice at all!
    AP

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      In fact you’re talking thousands of milligrams a day. Sometimes upwards of 4,000mg of Niacin can be ingested by a Purif subject.

      • Sideliner1

        Wow! another nightmare rundown from the mind of a madman!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Picking blueberries, swimming, a picnic on the beach, watching loons.
    Hard to tear myself away but Big Pharma is a slave-driver
    and a hard task-master.

    Hi ho hi ho, it’s off to work we go.
    Grumpy won’t like this :)
    Red-X all his lying ads here:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2473011

    Main list here – help JJ in Boston, he’s feeling a little under the weather:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833
    Tick tock JJ
    Ty Anon

    • shasha40

      Love it ! Tick, Tock,DM , the writings on the wall !!!

    • Observer

      This one is fairly breathtaking in its audacity, given Souse’s wife beating and and Pope Homunculus I’s everyone beating. EDIT: no pic. Thanks, Disqus.

      • Observer

        This time?

    • Hyder Simpson

      Handful of alerts have just been added.

  • antibity

    I disagree Finklestein went bonkers. Rather, he was no longer using merely 10% of his mental capacity, thanks to Dianetics & Scientology.

    From: Chris Owen
    Subject: ESSAY: Scientology and the Great 10% Myth
    Date: 2000-10-03 12:41:32 PST

    One of Scientology’s favourite promotional leaflets, “endorsed” by Albert Einstein (in image at least), proclaims that the average person uses only 10% of their mental capacity. With Dianetics, this figure can supposedly increase. The same message has been repeated by Scientology for decades. But where does it come from and on what is it based?

    Scientology’s source for the claim comes from L. Ron Hubbard, as you might expect. In the original “Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health”, published in 1950, he wrote:

    “Thought processes are disturbed not only by these engramic commands but also by the fact that the reactive mind reduces, by regenerating unconsciousness, the actual ability to think. Few people possess, because of this, more than 10% of their potential awareness.”

    [“Dianetics: MSMH”, 1988 ed., p. xiii]

    Note: the rest of this essay is a great read on the 10% myth Hubbard swallowed hook, line & sinker.

    The tagline for “Lucy”, now in theaters: “The average person uses 10% of their brain capacity. Imagine what she could do with 100%.” The 10% myth was discussed today on KCRW relative to that movie, with credit given to Dale Carnegie rather than LRH for 10% myth perpetuation.

    http://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/press-play-with-madeleine-brand

    OSA, this cries out for a false report correction, now!

    • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

      That 10% factiod was done away with ages ago. We use 100% of our brains. If we only used 10% you’d have a 90% chance of surviving a gunshot to the head for crying out loud. You’d be surprised how many people still espouse it like it is gospel though.

      • Observer

        There’s a movie based on that myth coming out soon: Lucy.

        • Jimmy3

          The promos for that make me think it’s some sort of “Limitless” rip-off. And I don’t think Limitless was good enough to be ripped off. It was okay, I guess.

          • Captain Howdy

            It’s just an excuse for some scarjo bouncy bouncy. Luc Besson has done this movie twice already (Le Femme Nikita, the Professional) zzzzzz.

            • Jimmy3

              Well, that’s a pretty good excuse. I approve.

    • Captain Howdy

      ….

      • Observer

        Especially the watery part.

        • Captain Howdy

          I made sure they were runny.

      • Phil McKraken

        What’s up with those eggs? You’re freaking me out. Tell what that liquid is, or I won’t be able to sleep.

  • Sunny Sands

    There is a new memorial brick for Lisa McPherson in Gaslight Alley in Clearwater.

    It was noticed during the Coachman Building renovations that Lisa’s memorial brick had vanished. I understand Jeff Jacobsen made the necessary arrangements for a new brick.

    Lisa’s new brick is at the entrance to the alley now in a very public spot. The white lettering really stands out. Here is a photo of it I took recently (refresh).

    • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

      What did Little Dave do ?

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    This Just In:

    Keeping up the faith: Tom Cruise pays a visit to the Church of Scientology in London

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2701886/Keeping-faith-Tom-Cruise-pays-visit-Church-Scientology-London.html#ixzz38ES4qNJs

    • Spackle Motion

      I love it when a news rag uses iMDB as a source. That really gives them credibility. They’d be better off using Wikipedia.

      • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard
        • Spackle Motion

          Um, OK. Stay away from sharp edges today, k?

          • Missionary Kid

            Nooooooo! It’s LRH. Let’s have him sleep on sharp edges. ;-)

          • http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/ L.Ron Hubbard

            Fiberglass has sharp edges you know.

            -Ron

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      hmm, I wonder if BosonStark had a premonition [an earlier comment from today] pic

    • Espiando

      No, this is the Daily Fail, the world’s most perused web news site, plus it at least has something to do with the Church. So, there’s some validity to posting it here.

    • Baby

      Hahahah.. I read the last line quickly as.. “Tom has been incapable for some time”

      • Barbara Angel

        He may become incontinent when his ‘bff’ ends up in an orange jump suit and tommy is called as a witness. The tabloids will be salivating with glee and tommy boy will need adult diapers. Imagine the damage to his brand of ‘tom cruise’? If he’s smart he’ll already have his PR people and his lawyer ready with a Statement about:
        Mr Cruise knowing nothing about these shocking allegations concerning Mr Miscavage.
        Interesting to see if tommy boy will throw mustravage under the buss to save his bankability? Water finds it’s own level and I’m guessing that tommy will chuck mustravage and disconnect from him in a hurry.
        You reap what you sow mustravage, you criminally insane twisted little shit.

        • Baby

          Oh Angel.. You know damn well that TC would jump ship before the Titanic goes down to save himself..

          He will float to shore floatin with his shoe lifts the entire way. xo

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      He was the only one there, apparently. The only customer.

  • Sibs

    So is the anti-SLAPP motion a Scientology move or what?

    From THR: John Travolta Can’t Stop Former Pilot’s Lawsuit Over Secrets

    “In response, Alto aimed to kill Gotterba’s lawsuit by bringing an
    anti-SLAPP motion. In instances where someone’s First Amendment rights
    are at stake, California law provides defendants with an early exit as
    well as the possibility of recovering legal fees. In this case, the
    defendants asserted that Travolta’s right to petition was protected. The
    question for the trial judge and then the appeals court was whether
    Gotterba’s lawsuit was based upon Singer’s demand letters.”

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/john-travolta-cant-stop-pilots-720319

  • J. Swift
  • Alfred_E_Noumenon

    I have a bit of a stupid question that is a off-topic for this article, but nonetheless I feel this is a good place to ask.

    After nearly 30 years in, I have been entirely uninvolved with scientology for the past 14 years. Yet… of course… I still get occasional calls and mail from different entities and no matter what I say or how harshly I say it, I still get these entirely unwanted solicitations.

    I had my reasons (family, etc.) early on for not causing too much of a ruckus and not openly “coming out” when I left. It was only known locally for the most part. Now I don’t really care. Unfortunately, I was never declared a suppressive person, dammit, and I still get contacted.

    Okay, to my question. If I publicly came out, such as here, as not just a non-scientologist, not a reformer or part of the independent scientologist crowd, but as one who knows that…

    …scientology is a money- and time- and soul-sucking, MLM-based, skull crushing, fairy tale nightmare, ponzi scheme business model, made up out of thin air, stolen from other failed works, drug-addled fantasy of an abusive cult…

    …would I be able to finally get declared a suppressive and be rewarded by having all mail and phone calls stopped?

    • Espiando

      Not here. But if you post with your real name at Das Rinderblog, you’ll be sure to be declared within hours, and the phone calls should stop.

      • Baby

        Operative Words! REAL NAME..Absolutely..

      • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

        And the ceramic turtle leg-breaking begins.

    • Phil McKraken

      Don’t feel compelled to pull the tiger’s tail. Screen your calls and toss junk mail unopened.

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      every time they call say that you have a million dollars of hard cash money if they can get you a copy of the Cruise/Miscavige sex tape…. or the orgy photos of Kirstie Alley…. or one of the Miscavige ventriloquist dolls made in the likeness of top clam executives… or…well, you get the idea

    • NOLAGirl

      Welcome to The Bunker. I hope you’ll come around more and share what you feel comfortable sharing about your experiences. Also, we keep the bar stocked so feel free to help yourself. :)

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I’m in the same boat as you, brother.

  • Phil McKraken

    I’ve been thinking about Tom Cruise’s biggest problem. As the most famous, most visible Scientologist… well, you know… every news account of Scientology in the news is accompanied by some mention of the name of Tom Cruise, he is the face of all things Scilon. That may be only slightly embarrassing to him now, but if the collapse of Scientology is a big flame-out event, then his name will be constantly associated with the disaster. Even worse, if any or all of the multiple facets of criminality and abuse in Sciworld — human trafficking, stealing childhoods, condoned sexual assault, ritual fraud, breaking up families — become much talked about in the media during the flame-out, then Cruise’s name will be continually associated with these horrendous practices. Even worse, if Cruise’s best man and best friend David Miscavige becomes famous for perpetrating all the above and more, then Cruise’s Q Score will go negative.

    What I’m saying is: Mr. Tom Cruise, Freedom Medal of Valor recipient, it probably behooves you to personally finance the quiet and orderly shutdown of Scientology, right quick, and the rendition of your best man to St Helena, Know what I mean?

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      every time they call say that you have a million dollars of hard cash money if they can get you a copy of the Cruise/Miscavige sex tape…. or the orgy photos of Kirstie Alley…. or one of the Miscavige ventriloquist dolls made in the likeness of top clam executives… or…well, you get the idea

      • Guest

        oops, pic didn’t show up… here it is again

      • jeff

        I think you meant this reply for Mr. Nomenon

        • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

          in deed… I noticed another reply to a comment I made appeared in the wrong place, too; strange disqus anomaly I haven’t seen before…

    • valshifter

      TC has a lot of explaining to do, and he will be hunted when the cult goes in flames to get some explanations from him, his career will be at risk.

  • outraged

    Ms. Jada Pick It Smith does an interview about her niece being drugged on a date. But where are YOUR children ma’am???? Jada better start looking at her own family if she wants to help the world. She is involved in a cult that promotes child abuse and hiding sexual offenders.

    How do you defend that Ms. Pick It??? Are you Friendly with your neighborhood Psychopath – Mr. Dave Cobb Salad??

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2701699/My-niece-drugged-Jada-Pinkett-Smith-makes-confession-speaks-rape-victims.html

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      this is the very latest photo of her with her beard hubby…. don’t they look happy

      • outraged

        This family has been a staged act for a long time. It is very sad. I feel for willow. She is just a kid.

      • Scream Nevermore

        She’s the Beard, he’s her Merkin! ;)

  • valshifter

    Germany is like a mongoose doesn’t let out of sight the sneaky snake cult.

    • ze moo

      Deutschland doesn’t keep ‘spies’ on the clampire anymore. They are needed in the mosques. Though I have to bet that when 3 clams get together, 1 is an informer.

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    I hope we have live blogging tomorrow. :)

    • Baby

      Yes we are Dam.. Bossman says we are..

      • jeff

        I must have missed this. Live-blogging of what?

        • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

          I believe it was on the Sunday Funnies our proprietor pondered holding a live blogging event as I recall for one of the scheduled advertised Big Events Scientology is going to hold. Let me see if I can find the details, my brain is pudding…

          • jeff

            I found it. Liveblogging the ID network’s version of a Buffalo PTS-Type III who killed his mom.

      • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

        Joyness!

  • Baby

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32153-LIVE!-Miletsone-Two!-Independent-Scientology-Membership-Community!-30-per-year!

    This is where I first discovered this crap.. This was the original regulations for joining ..since changed..Just keep reading this..

    I have been following this for a long time, and when the time was right I wanted to discuss among us.. It is sickening. xoxo

    I was disappointed to see Scott Campbell’s postings.. sigh

    • Espiando

      Another reason why I don’t go to the Hugbox: CommunicatorIC is still around. It was a beautiful day when we drove him away from here.

    • Observer

      I answered you up above because I thought I was replying here. :-(

      • Baby

        Oh I found ya sweetie..xo Your response was perfect..

    • Jo

      Last post says they have 44 members.

    • Eileen

      Very weird, it’s like they are recreating the cult.

      • Baby

        It’s like.. ” Hey This Rabbit Hole Looks Familiar.. Hmmmm? ”

        Before anyone says Decompression to me I get it.. and also different indie philosophies..Get it..

        I just hate anything associated to Hubs. Again..

        I do NOT hate the players..I HATE the game.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for July 22: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #17,845 – up 732 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 22,650)
    Scientology: US rank #53,940 – down 1,262 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 63,076)

    Difference: 36,095 – 1,994 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 40,426)

    Clicks from India – 8,3% today.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Here is the latest Google Trends report for search traffic for scientology on Google:

      This image *refresh* is for the last 90 days. It shows quite an upswing in search traffic recently. Compared to their whole timeline it is just a minor blip on the radar, but I digress.

      The lower part shows that for the last 90 days there has been more search traffic from Germany than from the USandA, or any other country. There is obviously some interest in the subject in Germany, but probably not the positive kind.

      Before any of you transfer this data to the Alexa ranking above: the rankings I post are US rankings, and German hits to their site does not come in under this :-)

  • outraged

    Tommy Girl slipping into Scientology London to do a quick hit of whatever it is that gets him off. Disgusting. He obviously is stuck like glue to Little Davey Blue.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2701886/Keeping-faith-Tom-Cruise-pays-visit-Church-Scientology-London.html

  • Observer

    To support the ongoing whistle-blower program on abuses and corruption
    of L. Ron Hubbard’s discoveries and technologies, making clear
    delineation between such and the body of work itself.

    Sorry, but I don’t see the difference. R2-45 is shooting someone in the head whether it’s done 100% standardly or corrupted. Disconnection destroys families whether it’s done 100% standardly or abused. Fair Game is 100% vindictive, vile persecution whether it’s done 100% standardly or squirreled.

    • Baby

      HELL TO THE YES OBS.. Absolutely sickened me..

      And this is why I scream from the highest mountain top about the Indies.. And so many say..

      ” Well, you know.. they aren’t hurtin anyone..blah, blah..”

      Uh? Really.. ? The Ol Man dreck is alive and well …

      ” When You Know Better Ya Do Better..” Maya Angelou…

      But hey.. What happens when you know better, but you do the same damn thing.. errrrrrrrrrrrrgh

      • Missionary Kid

        “What happens when you know better, but you do the same damn thing?” You stay in $cientology.

    • FOTF2012

      I once held a similar view — that there was a distinction between the corruption and hideous effects of the organization, vs. the redeeming value of the tech, which, after all “works.”

      It took me years to clear my eyes from the miasma of Scientology thought stopping. What may occasionally work is borrowed by Hubbard from others. Hubbard’s core claims have not stood up to any careful scrutiny. The “it works” line can be said of any -ism, -ology, or therapy.

      And if you get right down to the nitty-gritty, take Hubbard’s greatest claims: Clear and OT. In over 60 years to produce such beings, there has not been one — not one — objectively verifiable case of these states having been reached. Had there been a single verification, Scientology would indeed be straight up and vertical, instead of straight down and vertical.

      Anyone who is on the fence, please think about that: not one objectively verified OT or Clear in over 60 years of trying.

    • Narapoid

      Scientology works because Hubbard stole what he found that did. Dianetics and Freud’s Abreaction therapy are the same thing. (The constipated mother is Hubbard’s). Regression therapy is effective as things go until a black mail fishing session starts.

      Hubbard stole everything that had ANY merit, and acted like he alone found it.

      • Baby

        A Freakin Men Narapoid!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Memo to the Asthmatic Dwarf:

    “It’s never enough” is the definition of poverty.

    It has NEVER ever been enough, no matter how hard people worked,
    no matter how sleep-deprived, no matter how starved on slop-buckets of swill,
    no matter how driven by Thursday at 2:00,
    by flaps, by endless regging,
    by stats that reveal Hubbard’s utter incompetence,
    no matter how much money accumulated in Luxemburg and Swiss banks,
    or in the Cayman Islands,
    no matter how much wealth was in buildings purpose-built for insanity,
    no matter how many were bankrupted,
    no matter how many were disconnected,
    no matter how many died.

    By definition, you are poor.
    $cientology is morally and spiritually bankrupt.
    So was Hubbard.
    So are you.

    The vultures are circling.
    Karma is a bitch and she’s having hot flashes.

    • Missionary Kid

      AMEN!
      LRH was and DM is morally bankrupt. i would like to see DM also economically bankrupt, ill, and set upon by Bubba, his cellmate.

  • valshifter

    Am surprised scientology does not have a TR to achieve Ideal breathing, and charge 500K for it. what a mafia.

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      After David reads your comment they will have one.

  • Observer

    Just snagged a pic from the Destiny beta. Mr. Observer was a little confused as to why I wanted to.

    • Jo

      Obs, are you from the the future? I have tried to rent this game and it’s not available till Sept.

      • Observer

        No, Mr Obs got an invite to play the beta. Most game developers run one on their multiplayer games before release with only a few thousand people given access, so they can see how the multiplayer functions with a larger number of people, test the servers, make necessary tweaks before the release, etc. This beta test is over on July 29, so after next Tuesday he’ll have to wait till 9/9 to play it again.

        • Jo

          I would give both my arms to be a game tester.

          • Observer

            But then how would you play?

            • Jo

              Slowly :)

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Is this Battletoads?

        • Observer
          • Douglas D. Douglas

            So that’s what this was about. I still have the bracelet from E3. Does it do anything???

          • DodoTheLaser

            This is looks really good! Do you guys like the game? Is it FPS?

            • Observer

              I haven’t played it, and the beta is just a tiny piece of the game, but it’s amazing. While playing it the other day Mr Observer turned to me and said, “Remember Pong?” Games sure have come a long way!

              It doesn’t have anything to do with Halo, but it is done by the company that originally developed Halo and did the first three games. Halo 4 was a severe disappointment to me.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you for this info!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Obs IS from the future, no matter what she says to deny the fact, Jo.
        And how do I know? I am from the future too. We don’t like to talk about it,
        but you seem to be a nice person and you made me laugh. So I have a prediction
        for you – there will be a new rocking post from Tony in a matter of hours. Cheerio!

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush
  • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

    It is hard to make jokes when you’ve no idea where your reply with show up, Disqus :(

    http://eil.com/images/main/The+Beatles+-+No+Reply+-+7%22+RECORD-371563.jpg

    • Captain Howdy

      Relax. You can’t force it. Sometimes when I’m feeling cold I just sit back and watch the show.

      • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

        I know, I know. Just in love with the sound of my own typing, I guess.

        • Captain Howdy

          J&D is hard. Anybody can write something serious and emotional and get all the upvotes. We comedians are the true artistes. ; )

          • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Nat-lificent

            My old screenwriting teacher, Michael Berlin, used to write for Miami Vice. He told us all to write drama because the pay was good and the living was easy. He said comedians were the most miserable people in the business. He was right of course but I still love a good joke more than most things.

          • Missionary Kid

            Comedian? I take everything you write seriously. What? He’s kidding? Oh, nevermind…

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Ola, amigos
    Try our new format, courtesy of Rip and Hyder, a list of direct links to all the latest (and most vulnerable) ads.
    As easy as $cientology’s 1, ?, 3:

    Today’s list:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2473011
    Updates:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2473075
    Regional and city list:
    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-103#post-2472833
    Ty Hamtaro

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Awesomeness.

  • Narapoid

    Something interesting about TC, Kidman and Eyes Wide Shut…. Check out number 7 on this Huffpo popper.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/18/facts-about-eyes-wide-shut_n_5598973.html?cps=gravity

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Bleah!

      The article is derived from the new book “Tom Cruise: Anatomy of an Actor.” That’s the one by that dunderhead Amy Nicholson of the LA Times who claims that Tom Cruise’s career was ruined by false images of him jumping up and down on a couch on the internet.

      http://tonyortega.org/2014/05/21/no-la-weekly-tom-cruises-career-was-not-ruined-by-a-gif/

      • jeff

        I believe she writes for a much less prestigious institution, the LA Weekly.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          My bad. It’s the Weekly all right.

      • Narapoid

        Thank you DDD. Thanks for the perspective.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    you need a better translator/proofreader when outsourcing scientology flyers to India to save money

    pic

    • Baby

      Bleh!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Mmmm. It has a nice beat and is easy to dance to…

    • i-Betty

      Problem of cement? Piles? Secret diseases? Weakness in nurves night fall?! SIGN ME UP!

  • nottrue

    Stuttgart Guard…….

    • Baby

      Ahhhhhhh beautiful.. I love it when Anons outnumber Scilooooons Thanks NT

    • Ruby

      I have a fun story here…My son has little knowledge of my prior involvement in the cherch.
      Last Halloween, he wanted me to order him one of these masks to wear! :) It was too late to get one, but, I thought that was very funny. I think I will get him one for this year.

      • Baby

        OMG… That is funny Ruby… Absolutely next year!

      • Sydjazz

        With a fake navy uniform?

        • Missionary Kid

          Ooooh! That’s evil. As i-Betty would put it, hur, hur. ;-)

          • Sydjazz

            But it would rock lol

    • aquaclara

      I can’t smile big enough. This is why. It’s Working.
      Thanks, Stuttgart and German Anons. You rock.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X *** Wednesday the 23rd of July

    We are trying to figure out the best strategy to follow concerning :
    Full regional list with ALL new ads as well as stragglers (they also need attention)
    And today’s BLUES list as the one that Hyder & Rip produced yesterday.

    For now, we are going to alternate. Some of you have only time
    for the quick BLUES while some are determined to flag them all.

    BOSTON still need much attention!

    http://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-104#post-2473202

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty Baby

    • Baby

      I’ve been clickin all night.. hey P… You don’t have to Thank me each time… ( If it will save you time..) It’s all yours..xoxo

  • Cheryl

    From Louis Theroux’s twitter

    • DodoTheLaser

      That’s some dedicated glare! Very OT. This is going to be super theta!

      • Pierrot

        Good day Dodo,
        weren’t you supposed to have a meeting with some friend and osa.
        Did you comment here about the result?, if so I missed it, and could you give me a link to the comments / report of this meeting.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Good day Pierrot,
          I posted the intel about planned meeting here, in order to prevent it from happening,
          since my friend doesn’t want to be “handled” and would rather be declared or left alone.
          It worked so far. If she will be contacted, she will let me know and we will play from there.
          I doubt it will happen though. OSA reads our posts and try to avoid more PR flaps.
          I will give an update, if there will be one. Refresh for pic.

      • Baby

        Hi sweetie pie..xo

        • DodoTheLaser

          I am not really a sweetie pie, but you can call me that. :)

          • Baby

            Oh Dodo.. you are.. I always know when I can’t sleep I’ll see Tommy Lee Jones avatar..and all is right with my world.. ; )

            You are a gentle man.. and I just love you.. xoxo baby

            • Sydjazz

              Hi baby

            • Baby

              Well hi sweet kitty.. Where ya been? I’ve missed you!

            • Sydjazz

              Been sick and resting up dang flu

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwwww I am so sorry.. yuk… get better, baby!

    • Baby

      OMG..hahahhaha funny!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Couple teasers from Karen. Refresh.

      • Baby

        OMG … BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!! Yay.. Thanks Do and Karen.. Woo Hoo

        • DodoTheLaser

          Global distribution sounds delicious.

          • 0tessa

            Global? Galactical – Xenu’s descendants need to be informed too!

          • Missionary Kid

            Who’s clearing the planet now, Davy?
            Who’s disseminating now, Davy?
            Thanks for all the footbullets, Davy.

      • i-Betty

        Oooo!

        • Missionary Kid

          A little after 11 am there?

          • i-Betty

            Yes it is: 11:13 to be precise, and time for coffee :)

            • Missionary Kid

              3:20 am now here. I can’t decide whether to go back to bed or wait for my morning bunker fix.

            • DodoTheLaser

              35 minutes. You can do it. :)

            • Missionary Kid

              I know I can, but I won’t be wort much later.

            • DodoTheLaser

              You don’t make your own schedule?

            • Missionary Kid

              I do, but if I stay up, I’ll be sleepy later.

              I always tell myself that I’ll just read the Bunker, then go back to sleep, but it doesn’t work out that way. Now, I’ve only got about 15 minutes left. I’ll stay up, but then go back to bed.

            • i-Betty

              Good choice :D

        • DodoTheLaser

          Refresh. Some random people.

          • i-Betty

            Thanks!

      • Missionary Kid

        Hopefully the beeb has grown a pair for this one.

    • Sydjazz

      I make that face too when reading these stories lol

    • Missionary Kid

      The shadow of the sign looks really creepy.

      • DodoTheLaser

        As if a former hospital painted fake blue by a shady cult not creepy enough.

        • Missionary Kid

          If one somehow took away the sign and left only the shadow, it would be perfect for a horror movie. Make that perfect for $cientology, which is a horror.

  • Baby

    Night sweet Princes and Princesses.. Love baby

    • DodoTheLaser
      • Baby

        Perfect Dodo.. I am listening to it now as I lay down.. just beautiful and so hauntingly beautiful..xo

    • Graham

      Just getting into my morning here. The Bunker never sleeps!

      • i-Betty

        Yup, I’ve been awake for 2 hours, and I had a lie-in today!

        • Missionary Kid

          Co$ used to depend on snail mail and telephone keeping communication between those in opposition fragmented and out of sync. Now we’re the eyes that never sleep.

          FUNK YOU, CO$ AND DAVY! Thanks for waking up anonymous.

  • 0tessa

    0tessa • 9 minutes ago

    It seems that Scientologists, especially the sea org members, lose somehow their normal moral compass. It has been replaced by a very narrow Scientology compass, that has as guiding principle: the survival of Scientology justifies all means, including murder, child abuse and slavery. It is the moral compass of dictators, criminals and thugs in general. For certain it is the compass of their master, dear leader Miscavige.

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s a moral compass vs the ethics of Co$, created by LRH and maintained by DM.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        This is one of what seems to be an excellent series, mainly for the JW and LDS viewpoint, but very applicable to any controlling group. This one discusses Steven Hassan’s BITE model of how mind control works.

        This one is more about the flock than the extremists, but that’s just the control cranked up to 11.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmeSmlHyDRU

        • Missionary Kid

          Excellent! This applies to a person I know who is caught up in conspiracy theories.

  • i-Betty

    This has given me a fantastic little chuckle this morning. It’s a 1-star review from someone called Zero on Lawrence Wright’s excellent Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief.

    I can’t work out whether it’s a brilliantly sneaky review by a critic, or a really, REALLY deluded scientologist who doesn’t realise how he sounds.

    Tom Cruise, who is not at all a weirdo!

    My only criticism? The review should be longer. Beautiful :D

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0307700666/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt_sr_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

  • i-Betty

    NEW POST UP

  • Wraith7216

    If I want to be in a cult, I’ll start one…

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s what LRH did.

  • Susie Cross

    Scientology May be dying but they have plenty of money for life support. Count on it sadly.