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LISTEN: Rare tape reveals how L. Ron Hubbard really came up with Scientology’s space cooties

Mary_Sue_Hubbard_LRHThe Underground Bunker has been leaked a rare 1952 L. Ron Hubbard recording that surfaced online only briefly five years ago. When it did, some longtime Scientology researchers were astonished, saying they thought it was mere legend.

Despite the secrets it unlocks about the formation of Scientology’s beginnings, you won’t see a mention of this recording in any of the most important books on Scientology — not in Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear, not in Russell Miller’s Bare-Faced Messiah, or even in Jon Atack’s A Piece of Blue Sky. Even Arnie Lerma’s vast online archive contains only a very short portion of the full transcript of what you are about to hear.

So why is it coming up now?

Last week, we dealt with a couple of Scientology celebrities who predictably obfuscated about the nature of Scientology itself. They’re trained to do that, and we had to point out that Laura Prepon was prevaricating when she claimed that Scientology wasn’t homophobic (it very much is), and that Giovanni Ribisi might have been playing word games when he said he’d never heard of “aliens” in the church.

We explained that Scientologists believe that as thetans, we are immortal beings who have lived countless lives for trillions of years in various places in the universe. But those far-flung thetans aren’t technically “aliens” in the ET sense.

To illustrate how much L. Ron Hubbard’s space opera ideas are part of Scientology, we reposted a Hubbard lecture, given in 1952, during which he talks about invading forces taking over Mars and Venus, where to this day Earthlings are whisked between lives to be implanted with mental image pictures before starting out again as infants.

It’s wild stuff, and we wanted to make sure that someone like Ribisi understood that Scientology’s space opera is well documented, even if he’s trained not to discuss it publicly.

But then, in our comments, J. Swift pointed out that there was something even better from 1952 that would make that point. He said it was a very rare recording, and had not been seen on the Internet since 2009. It had the unwieldy title, “Electropsychometric Scouting: Battles of the Universes.”

Within hours of that comment, one of our many excellent tipsters contacted us, telling us where to look for that recording. And now, we’re bringing it to you.

Before you listen to it, it’s important to keep in mind what was happening when it was recorded in 1952. Two years earlier, Hubbard had enjoyed huge success with his book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. His ideas about recapturing lost memories from our time in the womb to relive forgotten traumas that were affecting adult life became a brief fad that produced money-making foundations and more fame than the pulp fiction writer had ever enjoyed. But then, just a year later, Hubbard’s life was in tatters. His second wife, Sara Northrup, was divorcing him and telling salacious tales about his mental instability to the press, he had absconded to Cuba with Alexis, the daughter he’d had with Sara. And the Dianetics fad had faded and Hubbard was broke.

Helped by a Kansas millionaire who bailed him out financially, and after settling with Sara, Hubbard then began to rebuild his life in Phoenix in April 1952. It was there that he moved only four weeks after marrying his third wife, Mary Sue Whipp, and where he developed the successor to Dianetics, something he called “Scientology.” No longer satisfied only with remembering what had happened in the womb, Hubbard now explored the idea of previous existences — Scientology was about recalling past lives, and with the help of a device called an electropsychometer, or “E-meter.”

That April, he sat down with Mary Sue and an early model of E-meter to record the session you are about to hear. Although an E-meter is a crude electronic device that measures tiny fluctuations in electrical current in a subject’s skin, Hubbard uses it as a mystical device, treating the needle-dial’s movement to the right (“a drop”) as a confirmation of what he’s saying. And what is he saying? He begins the session by announcing that he has trapped an “entity,” and he and Mary Sue are going to question it. They watch the needle as Hubbard questions unseen spirits, much as a 19th Century medium might listen for tapping sounds during a séance, or a person might consult a Ouija board.

Over the next hour, they question the entity or entities about the origins of the universe and the nature of “Targs,” unseen harmful spirits that inhabit human bodies.

Longtime Scientology watchers will immediately recognize the significance of that. Some 15 years later, Hubbard would write the notorious story of “Incident Two” in “Operating Thetan Level Three,” the story of Xenu the galactic overlord (made famous in a 2005 episode of South Park) who, 75 million years ago, left behind countless disembodied spirits on Earth that today inhabit each of us by the hundreds or even thousands.

The top levels of Scientology, developed in the late 1960s, consist of a kind of Space Age exorcism. At hundreds of dollars an hour, a subject tries to remove these unseen entities — no longer referred to as “Targs,” but now called “body thetans.” For years, and hundreds of thousands of dollars, Scientologists remove body thetans, or “BT’s” from their person.

It is stunning to learn that Hubbard had the idea for these entities inhabiting a body in 1952, so early in the development of Scientology itself. (Jon Atack had told us this more than once in the series of items he wrote for this website, but it’s another thing to actually hear L. Ron Hubbard coming up with these ideas on tape.)

Scientology today claims to be a worldwide religion. Its longtime members will tell you they were attracted to it because it was billed as an exact science and an applied philosophy. But it turns out that Scientology’s cosmology actually sprouted from a 1952 séance performed by L. Ron Hubbard and his wife Mary Sue talking to unseen primordial entities with a bobbing needle as a spirit-guide.

Set aside some time, and listen to this recording and follow along with the helpful transcript onscreen. We are particularly interested in hearing from our readers who are former Scientologists and had been lured into Scientology with the promise that it was a science, not just another mystical ritual.

Here’s the recording…

 

 
For some reaction to the tape, we turned to Bruce Hines. Bruce was in Scientology for 31 years, and oversaw some of the highest levels of Scientology training.

Boy, that is one batshit crazy transcript!

Still, it is interesting to me. Hubbard is connected to an E-meter, 1952 style. While electronics have improved since that time, the basic principles and circuit are the same. All an E-meter does is show changes in electrical resistance. He is trying to telepathically communicate with, or contact, “entities.” He is using the jargon of that era, which is basically the same as that used in the book, A History of Man. Entities are just spirits or souls or thetans. Hubbard believed that communications from these supposed entities would somehow show up on the E-meter.

Bruce Hines

Bruce Hines

In this situation he is using the E-meter much like a Ouija board, and the whole scenario is much like a séance with an audience. There is much talk of getting a “drop,” which is a sudden movement to the right of the E-meter needle. In later years, the more common term for this was “fall.” In general auditing, when the auditor wants to know if a certain item or subject or question has “charge” on it, he or she looks for a fall or drop. For example, in a security check if the needle falls when a question is asked or “checked,” that means that the person is guilty of some misdeed. Even though Hubbard cautioned from time to time that a fall only shows that there is mental charge (defined as harmful energy) associated with the subject at hand, a fall is often taken to mean “true” or “yes.”

In A History of Man, Hubbard talked about “Theta beings” being at war with “MEST beings” and there being a “Theta universe” and a “MEST universe,” MEST standing for Matter, Energy, Space, and Time, the components of the the physical universe. Hence, “Battle of the Universes,” which sounds kind of dramatic, doesn’t it? Hubbard is trying to find out more about these entities (beings) and in reality is kind of free associating. If the needle gave a drop it meant that he was onto something, part of the truth, and if there was no drop he would try another line of thought.

What a way to develop a philosophy!

In later years, the jargon shifted and there was no talk about “MEST entities” and the like. But Scientologists are forbidden to say or believe that the things in this transcript are not true. It couldn’t get much more bizarre.

 
There’s another reason why the Ouija board reference is apt, which is rarely pointed out about the E-meter. The Ouija board works through involuntary movement in the hands of the people playing the game. Everyone swears they aren’t moving the planchette on the board, and yet somehow it will move to make an intelligible message. How does it do that? From an old installment of The Straight Dope

What makes the pointer move? An effect similar to that which occurs in dowsing, known as the ideomotor effect. This is a fancy name for involuntary/unconscious movement, such as a dowser’s hand flicking enough to move his stick when he passes over an area he knows has water…The basic point is that your muscles can move without your consciously thinking.

What does this have to do with Scientology’s E-meter? Plenty. The E-Meter measures a tiny fluctuation in electrical current, and that current can be affected by several different factors.

If the machine was measuring something real — as Scientologists say it is actually reading their thoughts — then you would want to eliminate as many other variables as possible. But it never seems to occur to Scientologists that a truer measure of their skin galvanism would be through sensors attached directly to their skin. Instead, they hold “cans,” introducing the variable of grip.

Scientologists, ask yourself this question: Why, if you really believe that the E-meter is reading your life billions of years into the past by tapping directly into your thoughts, would you be required to hold the sensors in your hands, which introduces the variability of involuntary movement, the ideomotor effect that makes the Ouija board game produce fanciful results?

Those researchers skilled at spotting cold readings will no doubt point out the confirmation bias and other methods that Hubbard uses to confirm his tales of “Targs” and “universe 33” in this recording as he watches the needle move while holding onto the sensors. This is mystical juju, not science.

If Scientology’s con has a smoking gun, it may be this recording.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 17, 2014 at 09:45

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  • Eivol Ekdal

    Clever bastard, used a e-meter to gauge audience reaction and then changed story to suit.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Toot Toot…

      • Elar Aitch

        Why don’t you come up and I’ll show my ‘scientific research’.

        • Juicer77

          Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            It’s a specially designed probe.

        • villagedianne

          Our session starts when I hold on to the cans. I’m only doing this for your enlightenment!

        • richelieu jr

          I think you mean “..show you my retchings’ (or wretchings, for ‘wretched etchings’)

    • Shannon#1

      That sums it up rather well.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Perhaps influenced by Nielsen TV ratings that started on 1950

  • I had a pet Targ as a boy, he had the heart of warrior.

    • Was it tasty?

    • villagedianne

      Of course the story of Xenu sounds better in the original Klingon.

    • richelieu jr

      Them’s good eatin’!

    • TDA1541A

      As that is from Star Trek

      USS DAUNTLESS

      USS DEFIANT

      And RESOLUTE class starships

  • Observer

    But it turns out that Scientology’s cosmology actually sprouted from a 1952 séance performed by L. Ron Hubbard and his wife Mary Sue talking to unseen primordial entities with a bobbing needle as a spirit-guide.

    I knew it! *refresh*

    • OrangySky

      Nice!

    • joan nieman

      Very clever Obs! Just perfect as a matter of fact.

    • Zana

      I LOVE this. So creative! 🙂 Right on!

      He said “science”… I think he meant “seance”. … but someone mis-heard it and mis-spelled it. They were heading from LA to NY and did a right turn at Texas and ended up in Cuba.

      • Snake Plissken

        That is the breakthrough of the Golden Age of Tech XXVIII

        • Zana

          And who is left to try and sell GAG XXVIII to anyone? Do they sell them a Ouija board?

      • Jgg2012

        Someone once described it as “fiction science”,” not to be confused with science fiction.

        • Zana

          Love it!

    • aquaclara

      The shoop of shoops. Thanks, Obs….

    • richelieu jr

      What doe sit say in the little LCD display? Looks like ‘Future uncertain, Try Again’ or ‘Not a Chance’? Best Magic 8-Ball I’ve ever seen!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        The Scientolouiga board invariably gives this answer: RAISE YOUR IAS STATUS NOW!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Ouija-Meter Mark VIIIIIIII! Ready for you now.

      • Zana

        giggle.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
      • Eivol Ekdal

        I hear ZoZo translates to Targ in Thetan.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      How dare you, you Obs! You, you, you COMMIE TARG!

      • Observer

        I’m not going to wash your car!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          We in RTC don’t have a car or even a driver’s license.

          • Betsy

            You tell ’em, OTV! Little country ecclesiastics in tiny tuxedos don’t drive cars. They walk everywhere. Or ride burros. That’s why they’ve never been to Texas.

    • SOL

      Shouldn’t a Scientology Ouija board have some dollar signs on it?

    • My name is Larry Lester

      with multiple penis’s in her

    • indie8million

      I want one!!

  • Racnad

    Another thing unusual about this tape is that he is in conversation with another person rather than just him lecturing to an audience, as his is virtually 100 percent of other recordings a Scientologist listens to. Now I’m wondering what role Mary Sue playing in the development of Scientology cosmology. Prior to MSH Dianetics most resembled psychotherapy. She seems to be true believer. Perhaps it was she (within the sexual glow and excitement of a new relationship) who pushed Hubbard in the more wacko direction, or at least made him feel safe to do so.

    • richelieu jr

      Oh there’s an audience, alright.

      Everyone plays to their ‘private audience’ composed of whomever counts for them, and in this case he was having it recorded, so he knew someone would hear it–

      Probably not Ortega and company, though!

  • Elar Aitch

    Ohai OSA

    • You’d better get this flap handled or no rice and beans for you tonight! C**ksuckers!
      ARC, Dave.

      • Elar Aitch

        Bunker klaxon: prepare to be handled

      • NOLAGirl

        Texas sends its best.

        ML, The Hon. Dib Waldrip

  • Mindphucker

    Also found, rare LRH handwritten notes on space cooties (F5)

    • Sarah James

      LRH had stunning insight. So the only way to get rid of the ‘space cooties” is to remortage your house. Party on space cooties, party on LRH.

    • richelieu jr

      Clearly a forgery. Hubbard couldn’t even write that OTIII nonsense in a straight line (possibly because he was laughing so hard)!

      Perhaps someone cleaned up the original?

      • aegerprimo

        A “forgery” or parody made with Ron’s Font – http://openfontlibrary.org/en/font/ron-s-font

        • Mindphucker

          Since Ron’s Font was unleashed on the world I think there might be a lot more of these rare handwritten notes from LRH being found and posted on the Bunker 🙂

  • Mr. Fabulous

    Absolute, unadulterated horse shit, Mr. Hubbard! But hey, those of us with a functioning brain already knew that.

  • Missionary Kid

    Hubbard’s hubris in thinking that the words and ideas that spilled forth from his mind were so valuable that he recorded all sorts of stuff has given us a rich source to use in demonstrating what a liar and bullshit artist he was.

    The fact that his unholy acolytes have preserved them in the intervening time just gives us more ammunition to destroy his ideas with his own words.

    • Elar Aitch

      You’re right Kid. He has delivered, via his own works, the collective recorded experience of exes, and the work of marvellous professionals, including lawyers and journliasts (nods at Tony) a remarkable documented story of a major rip off and the susceptible human psyche.

    • Sarah James

      He was thoughtful that way. I bet miscavige dies a little every time, he is exposed with LRH’s words in print and on video.

      • Missionary Kid

        I don’t think he dies. I think he issued Gag II and all the other bullshit to enhance his own position. $cientologists, being used to following orders, have gone along. Many, though, have finally been pushed to their financial and credibility limits, and are bailing.

        I believe many who are flying under the radar now are becoming Independents, but they are so used to accepting lrh’s crap that they look no further.

        It’s like the fundamentalist Christians who reject anything but the King James Version of the bible and think of the Revised Standard Version as heresy.

        • Sarah James

          I know what you are saying, but I was thinking about Derick. He said miscavige reads this blog and it is a satisfying thought.
          I always think (snark) is implied. My bad.

          • Missionary Kid

            Not your bad. I take too many things seriously. 😉

            • Sarah James

              🙂

    • joan nieman

      Ah! Precisely MK. It is damning evidence against the con.

  • Maradona is OT X

    “And what is he saying? He begins the session by announcing that he has trapped an “entity,” and he and Mary Sue are going to question ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiQ72ys9wiM

  • flyonthewall

    wow, this is huge! I’m gonna wait till after work to listen and give this my full attn. Thnx Tony, J Swift and Bruce!

  • BosonStark

    This is all very sciloontific. Theta beings on Venus too! Bang!

    • Wait wait! This is vitally important stuff! This means something! Some how.

  • mzuridini

    No, Scientology is not science!

    I went to scientology with my friend. My friend was making good money. Then something strange happened. They wanted him to confess his sins, and they wanted him to pay $18,000 cash for that. My friend was a gentle soul. If he saw an insect on the ground he walked around it. What bad deeds must he confess? And to pay so much? They asked him again for the $18,000. He told them no, no deal. Now they hate him and say bad things about his business.

    When I was growing up school was tough. One day I walked into school with my friends. The school master had a pile of sticks three feet high. We were screwed. When he came to my math test he said I had a perfect score. He said I must have cheated so he whipped me.

    I was hungry for education. Now I live in America. In some places Africans are starving to be educated in ways Americans cannot imagine.

    Scientologists are very friendly at first. They promise much and then it turns bad.

    When my father asks me where I have been, I feel good inside because he loves me. I told him about Scientology. He told me it’s ok to learn the white man’s magic, but not to follow his vices. I laughed because this is not magic. This is trickery.

  • That audio is a great look in to how Hubbard came up with his material, refining it with the audience like a stand-up comic honing his show. It’s not hard to fool people when they have a desire to believe, but what always amazes me is how few people seem to have asked the questions: “How exactly did he come to discover this information? And why should I believe him?”

    • richelieu jr

      Science! Research!

      • What wogs call “visiting the toilet.”

        • richelieu jr

          Ah yes, the la-BORE-atory!

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Another good listen is…
    “scientology-shbc-620425-144”
    It is about 90 minutes of Hubbard auditing in Saint Hill. He is actually doing case review of their GPM lists.
    4 or 5 people get their cases reviewed, all have remarkably similar prognosis. One lady, I think it was the second one, starts by saying “I am looking forward to going home”. Oh dear, her case is rather confused and at the end Hubbard says, “you won’t be going home”. I think most of the reads that Hubbard got were because the subjects were shit scared of the man, especially the ladies.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Well it would seem that he wasn’t nice to woman and children.

      • mpl

        Yes, that’s the polite way of saying he beat women and tried to abort the children. A prince among men, that guy.

      • richelieu jr

        Have you seen that Cyst?

        I’m actually surprised that it wasn’t giving him dictation, à la “How to Succeed in Advertising”.

  • I’ll take the time later today to listen to all of this, but one thing I want to comment on right away is that I am really surprised to even see this recording. It’s not in the official list of Hubbard recordings. I’ve studied EVERYTHING from the early 1950s that I could get my hands on, especially this 1952 time period. From what I’ve seen here, there’s nothing in this lecture that is so very different from other things Hubbard talked about in other similar lectures such as The Role of Earth, also from this time period. It all points up exactly what Tony says here: that Hubbard was an awful researcher, had no concept of scientific method, used heavily leading questions and evaluation in the “auditing” that he did on others and, in general, proves by his own works that Dianetics and Scientology have no basis in science of any kind.

    What I find so interesting is that this one was removed from the rolls entirely and I don’t yet know why. It had an official intro done at some point, a tape number assigned, etc. so the Church definitely knew all about it and it’s sitting in the LRH Archives. It makes me really wonder now what else they have up there which they’ve aren’t releasing, and why. Because the very existence of this tape blows out of the water the idea that Miscavige has released all of Hubbard’s works and is Mr. KSW. Just wonderful 🙂

    • The Leader of Leaders does NOT lie!!!!*

      *Statement invalid in all 50 States.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Now when we hear him say, “we have done the research on this and were the first ones to find…” , we know the quality of the methods employed!

    • ze moo

      Now we see the basis for GAT 3, psychoelectro boogaloo. This time with more psycho and less electro.

    • I want to hear the Flying Saucers one that was part of the London Congress on Nuclear Radiation & Health.

    • Tony Ortega

      Keep in mind, Chris, this is not a lecture. It’s just the two of them together in a room.

      • richelieu jr

        Well, at least they weren’t having sex. I’d hate to imagine that!

        • Who says they weren’t screwing each other?

          • richelieu jr

            No, that came later, after Operation Snow White, when Hubbard let her rot in prison. Bearly the biggest screwing he ever gave anyone, if you don’t count everyone else.

          • Betsy

            Oh, please! Is there some kind of daily Bunker plot to make it impossible for me to keep my breakfast down?

        • SOL

          Hm. Don’t think about pink elephants.

      • Tory Christman

        If you scroll to 43 minutes, you hear how Hubbard says how “Scientology will reverse Brainwashing and mind control” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHVUUSWR-_8 Why is it most “Profits” are classic BS Know-it-alls? He demonstrates this perfectly. (Sorry if off topic, but I found it looking for another referrence).

        How ironic he says how $cientology reverses Brainwashing when in fact that IS what his ‘tech” actually does. To those who don’t think so….why is it you cannot, you refuse to even discuss or look at the issues?
        I rest my case. 🙂 Thanks, Tony!

        • TDA1541A

          Pass me the “dutchie”

        • Zana

          I love you, Tory! You’re AMAZING. I’m a BIG fan of yours!!

          • Tory Christman

            Hey thanks, Zana 🙂 =^.^=

        • Eivol Ekdal

          LRH and his lovely cyanotic lips.

          • Tory Christman

            Eivol: I’ve always hated his “cyanotic lips”….from day one. Yuk!!

            • Betsy

              Aww. They remind me of Scrooge McDuck. Except Scrooge is kind of cute.

        • Betsy

          Thanks for this one, Tory! Just when I think I have heard the most bizarre stuff…something new comes along. (Actually, I find the videos from this period hard to watch. Apparently Scientology didn’t reverse tooth decay…or Xenu prevented toothpaste from working…or something…Elron should have spent less time with those tomatoes and more time at the dentist.)
          Betsywiththehip We send you a big virtual bouquet of yellow and red flowers from the garden I can finally work on again!

      • Dorothy Gale

        In my scientology training there were plenty of tapes included in the various LRon “lecture series” that were referred to as “demo tapes”. These were recordings of LRon auditing others. The purpose was to show us how to audit the LRon way. These kinds of tapes were considered a part of these lectures series in order to “train” us in how to audit. It was actually kind of confusing because LRon often violated his own codes and rules. That said, there were no tapes where LRon is holding the cans. Of course they would not include these now, because Mary Sue (or anyone else besides LRon) is not “Source” and therefore could not show us how to do anything. In the old days there were tapes we listened to where others (not Ron) were doing the auditing. These tapes were also purged, or scrubbed, just like Skip said. If a current day scino were to hear this (tape above) and then have to be “handled”, they would probably tell them “Mary Sue was squirrelling” and go into the whole DA (Dead Agent) pack on Mary Sue and how she was bad and evil and LRon had nothing to do with it. I’m sorry to say it, but that’s how they operate. To us, this is a smoking gun that proves LRon was crazy. But inside that machine, in there, in that batshit crazy world they live in, the puppeteers easily turn down to up, and up to down, like magic with the wave of a hand, for their masses. It’s so sad it makes me cry. There are people I love inside that Truman Show of a world. I wish someone, somewhere would come up with a way to release them from the mental nightmare that they don’t even know they are living. Thank you for exposing Tony. You are a HERO in this war against scientology’s mental abuse.

        Postscript: Think about how the scientology bridge is really about running LRon’s mental state on all of his sycophants. Think about how all that bridge turns the follower into a closeted crazy person just like LRon. Thank God so few of them actually make it to the top.

    • I wonder if it’s because Mary Sue plays such integral role in it? They’ve essentially whitewashed her and her contributions to the “research” out of Scientology history now haven’t they?

      • Who? Mary Sue? Never heard of her. Does she live in Texas? Never heard of that, either.

        • AnyOldName1

          Where’s Shelly? Never heard of her, either.

      • Zana

        I used to ask about his wife and children. I would ask staff at CCI where LRH’s family was. Nobody seemed to know. I wondered about his kids… why weren’t they all passionate Scientologists? His wife? Where was she? Nobody knew nuthin’. They just kind of passed over those questions. I wondered about it then… but let it slide in the overwhelming crush regging for my money.

        I also asked about sex. Why was nobody talking about sex? If LRH talked about everything else, why didn’t he talk about something profoundly important to being human? (You have to read the recent post at possiblyhelpfuladvice.com. It’s HILARIOUS!) Anyway… nobody seemed to know anything about his family or about sex. It was a sexless culture led by a “hero” whose family had strangely been written out of the massive volumes of books.

        Hmmmm….what’s wrong with that picture?

        • Missionary Kid

          Kinda like Hitler’s hiding Eva Braun, huh?

          • Zana

            Wow. Yes.

        • Tory Christman

          L Ron Hubbard, Jr: To be Googled. He had a LOT to say about “Ron”.

          Quintin, as we know, took his own life and/or was killed in the end (diff opinions/stories on that). Either way—not a good scene. Arthur: An artist who I had lunch with once. Nice guy—but certainly *not* a Scientologist. Suzette: She lived here in Burbank for awhile and I’d run into her. She also was not really an active Scientologist. Diana stands alone as his one child who I believe sadly is still “in” the Sea Org, last I heard.

          Hubbard’s Great Grandson is Jamie DeWolfe, the amazingly funny and courageous guy.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRUYESI3v3c 🙂 Love Jamie and each of you who takes a stand. 🙂 Tory/Magoo

          • Zana

            I’ve been watching Jamie. And I ultimately found out a little about his family. And that he literally pretends he didn’t have a 2nd wife. It’s like he actually lies flat out… and then dares you to contradict him. It’s very childish in a way. Except that he’s a grown man destroying families and lives.

            A gentleman out on Mike Rinder’s blog today made an insightful comment about how our own belief system can affect others. We don’t have to change others… we change ourselves first.. and then everything reacts to us differently. I’m paraphrasing… it was amazing. And in the context of how people can get swept up in this blind following gig by thinking that other people believe things that you are unsure of… which changes your belief to align with their “surety”… when they have no more surety than you do. It’s they lying-to-themselves lying to others in order to get them to start lying to themselves. I did a bad paraphrase… it’s something to ponder.

      • Tory Christman

        Totally! We used to run into her at the AMC with her bodyguards…it was sad: Here she was, white washed out of the picture, and basically held hostage although I’m sure she’s say “It’s my choice”. Sure, MS!

    • chukicita

      The narrator mentions the copyright dates; the latest he mentions is 1973, so the “official intro” must have been done at least then.

    • They scrubbed all the recordings back in the 1980s when The Dwarf took over. The opening lecture of the Advanced Clinical Course had Elwrong doing a security check on Fred Hare, who was giving up an overt of invading a planet and rounding up all the 12 year-old girls and raping them – hahaha – he and Elwrong had big laughs about that one. “Bridge Publications” excised that one real good doncha know.

      • That’s exactly what I’m talking about. So many Independents I’ve seen talk about the known edits of Hubbard’s works being “out-KSW” but what about the ones they don’t know about? Or even whole recordings they’ve never seen or heard of for what ever reasons? Hopefully this kind of thing could get them reexamining what they know, or think they know, about the whole subject. As to those still in, I hope they see this kind of thing and realize the extent they are being lied to and manipulated by Miscavige. They really have almost no idea anymore what Hubbard actually said or wrote.

        • The only reason I know about this is that we were given transcripts of tapes on course (to make sure we had no “misunderstood” words, ya know). The objectionable part was lined out, but you could see the words and hear the whole tape at that time. I asked Marty Kassowitz about it – he was working at Bridge Publications at the time, I believe (or had been) and he explained it to me. PR purposes, you see…

          • Missionary Kid

            Everything in $cintology is done for PR purposes.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              PR not because of Miscavige though.

              I studied the Senior C/S Int Office “LRH Research and Compilations Officer Full Hat Checksheet” completed it, while I was a budding and soon to fail “LRH Research and Compilations Officer” for just like 1-2 months, in late 1988, under Dan Koon, my then immediate superior.

              I’ve written extensively, and urged both Dan and Russ Williams, two way more experienced LRH Tech Comps compilers, to detail the whole shebang.

              But Dan’s only going so far and I think it would be best to have a complete discussion openly about the comps history.

              LRH is the person whose guidelines are followed, and have been followed in using the judgement of which phrasing and misstatements and out PR gaffe politically incorrect utterances came from his mouth. He ordered the guidelines to edit ALL of those things OUT of his tape lectures, is what I’ve said repeatedly to the small audiences when I came across this whole fear thing of those indie Scientologists who were unaware of LRH’s LONG LIST OF COMPILING RULES and guidelines, which state to edit the crap OUT of his lectures.

              He’s written extensively, the Compiler Full Hat has ALL of his decades long orders, and you study many of the actual submissions he’s approved and edited himself, and all of his guidelines, and you see what he asked the compilers of his bulletins to do.

              It’s the big unknown part.

              Marty Kassowitz compiled for Bridge books of LRH.

              The actual tech issues, maybe Marty was there for a period in late 1970s early 1980s, and I’d love to test his memory of what he recalls.

              My recall of the LRH comps guidelines, which include a particular classic guideline that is post Marty’s tenure, which was a guideline LRH gave to the ASI person who was to compile the ASI advices into “Prosperity Bulletins” which were the intended neatening up and turning into ASI staff bulletins telling them how to be prosperous for ASI (LRH’s literary agency, a glorified step up from the old LRH Personnel Office that did the organized stepping and fetching for LRH, namely the LRH Pers Office held the old LRH Accounts sub unit back when that was illegal for Sea Org LRH Pers Office people doing LRH’s accounts to be doing that!!

              ASI was the legal solution to the old illegal activities of the LRH Pers Office. Within the older Sea Org organizations surrounding the old Commodore’s Staff Aides, (note this is NOT the Commodories Messengers, who back then were really his johnny on the spot step and fetch it messengers on the Apollo), but the CS (Commodore’s Staff Aides) were numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ad 7 and one for Estates and one for the GO.

              The CS-4, a famous post holder was Ron Shafron, who I wish to heck would go public, he surely recalls the old LRH orders to him, and one of Ron’s sub units was the old LRH Comps unit of that day. That unit then morphed into the Flag Bu, into Tech Aide’s supervision, there being a “Tech Aide” in Flag Bu, and comps temporarily shifted there.

              When Senior C/S Int Office was made within CMO Int Org, then Comps went there.

              All through the years of the traveling “R Comps” (the men and women who did the compilations and turned LRH’s orders and comments and sometimes full typewritten bulletins or policies into the polished issued final writings, WERE ALL FOLLOWING LRH’S SPECIFIC ORDERS. Orders which Hubbard had written to the various execs OVER the final compilations people, or to them directly.

              I witnessed firsthand by doing the LRH Comps Full Hat checksheet, the whole final layout of those LRH orders, those compilations orders from LRH are what you study on the hat.

              The ASI guidelline I found the MOST important. LRH said in the ASI advice, to use as a guideline, when going through his mounds of advices, to pluck and turn into bulletin or policy or limited issue for the appropriate staff public that his comments or advices were targetted. The guideline is “timeless tech.”

              If his advices contained “timeless tech” then that needed preservation in a policy or HCOB.,

              And he had already, through the years, outlined guidelines for how to turn snippets of his advices into full blown HCOBs and HCOPLs.

              How the sausage was made, always ran against the grain of what the normal staff and followers knew to be true, the “Hidden Data Line” policy that outlines what the average staffers must accept and operate by.

              The back history of compilations is necessary to have then more accurate discussions of LRH’s actual thoughts.

              There always could be bad compilations, that is just a possibility, and before you begin to discuss this very important factor of whether a compilations is bad, you need to know that there IS such a thing as a whole Full Hat of ALL of his orders about how to compile his thoughts and notes and advices, into “timeless tech” buletins or policy letters for the targeted staff or wide public.

              Please share this comment, I have only had to repeat this about 20 times, and there ought to be a full hat for ex members who wish to understand some of the biggest hidden misconceptions about their fricking hare brained Hubbard cult!

            • Lady Squash

              This is truly interesting. So you are saying that when a student sits down to study an LRH Bulletin it does not mean that Hubbard wrote this thing out from start to finish. What you are saying is that the Bulletins were compiled by others using his notes!
              That makes perfectly good sense since some of the Bulletins felt like patch work quilts to me. But I am shocked that this was kept a secret. Shouldn’t be shocked, but am. The impression given was that he was such a genius, so prolific, so faultless that these Bulletins sprung from his head fully formed.
              This throws off the whole “If Hubbard seems to be contradicting himself, go by the later date. The later date represents the truth.” Wow. I’m just saying…

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Correct.

              We should have an online radio hour, allowing questions over the phone from listeners, and announce the sub topics of compilations, and actually, I answer “Experts” questions for the subject of Scientology here, and will gladly answer ALL questions, and refer people to better ex members who can ansswer even better than me.

              http://www.allexperts.com/ep/1751-74518/Scientology/Chuck-Beatty.htm

              But in this sub field of compilations, I think I started the “ball rolling” by my discussions over the years, and I was elated that Dan Koon has written on compilations, since Dan is a long term pro compiler, and he is talking freely for years now!

            • Missionary Kid

              While I’m a never-in, the amount of historical revisionism that went on in Co$ from the very beginning is incredible. At least in Christianity, what Jesus actually said came from an oral tradition, and wasn’t written down for decades after his departure.

              From what you say, Hubbard’s, and hence Co$’s message has been rewritten according to directives he laid down subsequent to his original brain farts. That way, he could appear all-seeing and all-knowing, and he could be portrayed as always being right. What a con!

              The problem is, for Hubbard, as well as Co$, is that there are recordings and writings that are out there that, when examined, show what a doofus he really was, and that’s a mild term. He was a racist, misogynist, cruel tyrant. All the PR thrown around for him as well as dm are there to make them look pretty, but their actions speak louder than words.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              So much to say. So much not yet put into some readable papers so interested observers get a better overall grip of crazy Scientology’s internal editing problems, and the never ending discussions about how the “tech” is somehow badder today due to the Miscavige era of editing. The whole editing rules are new to the indies to learn about, mainly from Dan Koon doing some moderate coverage of the comps/editing history, but I notice Dan shies from the bugaboo “verbal data” fear rules of Hubbards, and Dan won’t just go whole hog verbal data (like me) and tell what the Hubbard editing and comps rules are from Hubbard.

              We simply can’t have the crazy detailed discussions unless you know the Hubbard editing rules. And then, step back and look at then the scene. Whoever, bad or good, the editor was, the compiler and the Senior C/S Int person who approved the compilations, or whether ALL of the leaders who signed off on a policy or bulletin were frankly NOT up to the task of being good editors or really smart tech people, is always gonna be debatable.

              But Hubbard himself was just not helpful in some instances, he ordered things that some compilers just could NOT figure out based on Hubbard’s other tech rules.

              Flawed Hubbard original orders mean NO MATTER WHO EDITS, will just be eventually relaying illogical troublesome crap to the followers.

              So blame of Miscavige, is overemphasis on Miscavige’s flaws, there are still Hubbard flaws underneath that no editor can fix!

            • Missionary Kid

              Could one of the problems be that some of the editors were afraid of making a mistake, so they didn’t make the appropriate changes? Were there editors who were just no that bright, or not competent enough to integrate the changes?

              One of the problems, as I see it, is that Hubbard just threw a lot of ideas out, expecting that he, or someone else, would later clean up or integrate what he was spouting. I would posit that Hubbard was used to spewing words, either on recordings or typing it out in a stream of consciousness, somewhat like he had when he was putting out potboilers.

              Basically, Hubbard was depending on straightening up many of his contradictions, which in my eyes, are many. It’s no wonder that they seem to hide his early recordings.

              IMO, since he pulled everything out of his ass, and had a lot of people at his beck and call, he became sloppier as he got older and lazier.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              And because everyone in Comps is incompetent this means COB must do all compilations himself. Only COB truly understands timeless tech and techless time.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              I think it is important just overall to see how Hubbard operated, and then understand that ALWAYS, the editing and final compilation is “up in the air” limited to whomever does the final edit and approval, especially now that Hubbard is dead and no longer around to do the final edit.

              yes, Miscavige is current final edit, final the buck stops here, man.

              Hubbard’s rules ought to be summarized according to how this movement shares the Hubbard godma on themselves.

              Future “leaders” can always overturn the bad, over the top mistakes that Miscavige has made.

              The whole history of how religions have left things in their “bibles” and not removed or edited out the really drastic illegal things, like the Old Testament’s urgings to do illegal and politically incorrect immoral things still, but those urgings and writings are NOT unifiormly even allowed in western civilization where those urgings are illegal.

              Same with Scientology, the “Knowledge Report” policy that urges giving “black eyes” in the upstate in ethics orgs, is illegal, that is factually misdemeanor battery if people on staff take that seriously and literally as has been taken at the Int Base due to Miscavige’s extremist interpretation of Hubbbard’s “Knowledge Report” policy.

              A whole paper covering all these angles ought be done of the key Hubbard orders, and show the flaws in Hubbard’s original thinking and writings and rules, and that is the basic problem with Scientology.

              Then whoever is top dog has license, per the Hubbard rules, to enforce editing in the way they believe. Bad editing can be reformed, once Miscavige is gone, so long as Miscavige does not destroy the original full Master Copies of the Hubbard lectures and Hubbard’s original manuscript notes. (Marty Rathbun in one comment, once mentioned Miscavige is in the position to do that destroying of the Hubbard original writings or the full unedited lectures, but I had earlier thought Miscavige wouldn’t destroy Hubbard’s original manuscripts, notes and the unedited lectures.)

              It depends on historically how low Miscavige goes, and if he does indeed destroy the Hubbard originals, because factually, the “leaders” who take over, someday, once Miscavige dies of old age, can then overturn this whole Miscavige period of faulty edited materials and tapes!

              Based on the same Hubbard rules about how to properly edit and package his notes and advices into the final bulletins and policy letters, as was done in a certain percentage of the time.

              I wrote how the sausage of policy was made regarding one policy, called “Routing Forms, How to Write One”. I wrote a lot about that one policy, which I know how it was made, paragraph by paragraph. I had studied ALL of the Hubbard advices from which that policy was cobbled together, and I studied the additional parts that earlier Hubbard orders to the Compilations Unit were to do, in making any policy. I saw the original order to Phoebe Mauer one of the best all time compilers, she’s deceased now, and she did an overall excellent job. And I believe LRH approved her compilation. This example, “Routing Forms, How to Write One” I know inside out and backwards, and someday I should do a paper for one of the cult journals, for history of how Scientology sausage policy is made, I had extensive knowledge of the originals advices, I had to “Method 9” those advices at least 1 dozen times during the Routing Forms Project I was on for over a year.

        • SOL

          Kind of like the way-way-WAY out on the fringe “Christians,” who have never actually read the bible and just take their nutjob preacher’s venomous hate-speak as, well, gospel. Granted, the bible is a pretty mixed bag… but at least parts of it are warm and fuzzy.

          • Missionary Kid

            For edits on the bible, read Misquoting Jesus or watch a lecture by Bart Ehrmen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfheSAcCsrE

            • SOL

              Thanks!

            • Betsy

              Oh, Mish Kid! Thanks for the Bart Ehrman. I’ve read all his books and listened to his lectures from The Teaching Company (not a paid plug, sorry, they have great courses.) As you obviously know, you can’t be interested in Bible History or early Christianity and ignore him. Thanks again!

            • Missionary Kid

              He sure puts the perspective on what the bible really says, doesn’t he? Fundamentalists, I’m sure, consider him a minion of the devil, although I haven’t talked to any of them about him.

      • I still have “Mr. Safe’s” detailed examination of the scrubbing David did to the supposedly “inviolate religious scriptures.” Funny how the most embarrassing exposures of these frauds got scrubbed in some places, not in others. They still have some major whoppers in their “inviolate religious scriptures” which they have overlooked purging.

    • richelieu jr

      Well- there is still that one tape they’ve got deep inthe vaults, under lock and key which is basiclaly five hours od him saying ‘I can’t believe idiots fell for it!”, “Thetans, I mean, seriously!” and the rustling if the cash he’s rolling in as he laughs his ass off..

      He is interrupted at one point by an assistant and hisses ‘Miss Cavige! I only let you in the Messengers service because I thought you were a little girl! If I’d known you were MIster Cavige, I’d have had you thrown overboard! Go get stuffed you nasty midget!”

      Then it’s back to cackling, the cash, and the hissing of his cyst.

      • Missionary Kid

        Scrooge McDuck at least wasn’t basically evil.

    • It’s why I think this time the slapping dwarf is going to scream about lawyers to try to silence this information. David hates anything truthful being posted to the Internet, this is an atom bomb so far as his filthy frauds are concerned. If David doesn’t sue for fake “copyright infringement” to try to silence this information, I doubt there is anything else to come that would motivate the insane criminal to sue. This is devastating to the Scientology crime syndicate.

      EDIT: Though the insane crooks could never show financial harm from this exposure. The crime syndicate is all but dead anyway despite this evidence getting posted

    • mimsey borogrove

      The whole concept of the meter reading on belief is the crux of the problem. In the tape, Hubbard is talking to an entity and it is reading on the meter. What is really happening? Hubbard is hearing a voice in his head, and he is asking – is it an entity, and the meter, like a yes man, gives a nice read. Hubbard thinks this is the gospel and he believes the read = there is an entity talking to me. Thus we are off on the wild goose chase known as Scientology.

      This particularly applies to any process or auditing question that doesn’t ask the PC for his own answer, such as the OT levels. Actually, if you think about it, it applies to any process whatsoever. If the PC believes his wife may be cheating on him and it reads on the meter and they audit him for hours on it – what has occurred? He has unburdened his considerations and feels better – it is the talking that made him feel better, not the meter. Not Scientology. It just found what he believed was there.

      Mimsey

    • Tory Christman

      Speaking of past recordings….does anyone have a tape of Hubbard Sec checking the dude where he keeps saying: “Ahhhh I still am getting a tick tick here”. It is a riot! It starts out with the cat saying he said s/t not so nice, or something (s/t) vague like that. As he rolls through it, Hubbard keeps on referring to this “tick Tick” (Meaning he has his attention on *something* he’s not saying).

      It finally ends up he fucked his best friend’s wife, etc. It’s a riot!! Anyone know of this or have a copy of it? Thanks Tony and ALL here 🙂 Tory/Magoo <3 Happy Tuesday. Keep me in your hearts today, please. <3

      • Tory, it’s called “Fish and Fumble – Following up on Dirty Needles”. It’s a Briefing Course auditing demonstration and one of the Model Auditing Tapes (back when they used to have those). It’s the one where LRH keeps asking ” What about conning Jack Campbell?”

        • Tory Christman

          That’s IT! Thanks, Chris 🙂 I had first thought of “Campbell” as something to do with it. ahhh yes. “What about conning Jack Campbell”. Perfect. We heard it on the Professional Security Check Internship at Flag, in the late 80’s. It was the only example I ever heard where “Sec Checking” seemed like what he says it is: a confessional. Do you by any chance have a copy of it? Anyone? 🙂 ((It’s funny!))

      • Missionary Kid

        Good luck today, and every day. <3

      • Tory Christman

        I guess ya had to hear it to *get* that it’s funny—but it IS.

    • SOL

      I suppose part of what does in fact keep Scientology working is that adherents develop an ability (possible subconscious?) to hold contradictory beliefs, simultaneously. Sorry, crappy sentence. Would you say that this is true? Do they believe that Scientology is 100% pure, unadulterated Hubbard, 100% of the time… revised, repackaged, and regurgitated courtesy of Miscavige? How do they rationalize this? Is it just a Kool-Aid side effect?

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Chris,

      Experts will need to find this tape listed on page 293 of the first printing 1978 What Is Scientology book.

      It says, in column 1:

      5204C— HCL -Spec Electropyschometric
      Scouting –Battle of the Universes
      (MSH audits Ron)

      I’ve told people who really wish to have the church list that is most authoritative of Ron’s works, namely the Apollo “Qual Library” and tapes library that old Apollo vet PJ forget his last name, who was the tape archivist aboard the Apollo who worked with Delderfield to ensure the two dicitionaries and the first 1978 edition WIS books were all totally up to snuff research wise, in 1978.

      There is vast chunks of ignorance of what occurred already by the old Apollo vet staffers who upkept the old Apollo Qual library which had this tape in it’s collection.

      When I was a newbie TTCer, Quentin Hubbard used to jazz up other newbie TTCers at Flag, one was Steve Irwin, who later married Gail Irwin, and I recall Steven turning me on to some of the wilder but not confidential LRH tapes, that went into the research wholetrack stuff of all the past space civllizations.

      Quentin did like all the wilder space opera stuff from his dad, of the tiny one or two interactions I had with him, he referred me to one other such whole track tape, and of course it is just one of the more popular “whole track” tapes that even today most people listen to, anyone who listened to the old Grades tapes and who listened to that “Whole Track Tapes” small cassette binder of the wilder whole track tapes.

      The importnace of what I’m saying, is if someone wishes to be really expert on the Hubbard cannon, I advise obtaining for 99 cents, that 1978 edition of WIS which has one of the best authoritative indexes of all of Hubbard’s cannon, at least up to 1978, and there this tape that Tony shares, thanks to those that leaked it, is listed as I said above.

      Chuck

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Chris, we in RTC are pleased to announce that COB RTC will be reissuing this recording as:

      The Golden Age of Electropsychometric Scouting Phase II

      It is a vital that we put ten copies of the Golden Age of Electropsychometric Scouting Phase II into every library in the world. Please donate any amount over $100,000 today.

      • SOL

        And now with the Golden Age of Electropsychometric Scouting Phase II, we’re ready to move into the final phase of our vital mission to build Ideal Orgs, so that we’ll be thoroughly equipped to provide the best service possible to the many thousands of dedicated Scientologists, who, upon experiencing this newly discovered LRH tech, will now be even more highly motivated to move up the Bridge, and we’ll be producing more OTs than ever before in the entire history of Scientology. wait for applause

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          SOL, it is all so very vital to Planetary Expansion that COB has ordered all eleventy billion Scientologists to do the new Super Urgency Rundown as soon as possible.

          • SOL

            The excitement never ends!

    • According to my Friend Anton James;there is a trove of tape unutilised from this time period.As explained to me in detail @ Hubbard’s Death in Indy.-planet earth.

  • chukicita

    Before today I’d never heard Mary Sue’s voice. I can’t hear it without thinking of Georgette Franklin, a character played by (apologies to) actor Georgia Engel.

  • Observer

    The Curse of King Tut’s tomb explained! *refresh*

    • TDA1541A

      He forgot midgets

  • 1subgenius

    Tony, I think its time for that book.
    From origin myth to origin fact.

  • richelieu jr

    Amazing; I had heard whispers of this tape before.. I’ll have to listen tot he whole thing tonight..

    What I wouldn’t give to have recordings of Hubbard shooting the shit with Jack Parsons… I bet those conversations got pretty out there– and I wouldn’t be surprised if we could see the first sprouts of the Scilon delusion coming from the fertile, erm..fertilizer of Crowley’s nonsense…

  • Troy MacGyver SP

    Was this the machine,Masterson invented?

    • Yes, although invented probably isn’t the right word since the same circuit had already appeared in electronics magazines previously. It was part of the new Scientology from Dianetics shift, but then Hubbard had his falling out with Masterson, and dropped the e-meter for years until he could steal the credit for himself.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Pic of the following year’s model H-53-DS…

        • Juicer77

          So they were always ridiculously expensive.

          edit: and shouldn’t that be “Minimeter” not “minemeter”? Typos must be part of the tech.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Masterson = Oingo Boingo
      Mathison = E-Meter

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        “Take out wrenched elbow.”

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Reasons this is not released:

    1) It is a session of Hubbard’s own case, this is like showing a video publicly of anyone’s session.
    2) Shows how nutty Hubbard’s style of communication is, his auditor Mary Sue his wife is totally docile, and auditors are not to be docile.
    3) The session contains errors, complete auditing goofs that later have been dropped from the auditing procedure (evaluation, pc out of session telling the auditor Mary Sue what to tell Hubbard!, he’s over itsaing in Scieno language, uttering lots of conclusions as he’s being audited, he’s checking her to tell him back if his conclusions are correct this is complete wrong session work. At best this has to be called a research “session” but not a real case session, something that is never done today, no research sessions. If today people were to hear this and get the idea they could just explore their really long ago beginning of the universe spiritual lives, that would be unheard of, it is disallowed today, this type of exploration is NOT anywhere on the Bridge Chart of processes Hubbard allows today.
    4) This isn’t part of other series of tapes, not a Congress, not a ACC (Advanced Clinical Course). Plain old research sessions that Hubbard recorded are not issued. Sometimes model sessions, he let be released, and we study them on the TRs Course, to get his auditing style. This research session is him, the preclear, running the session, telling his auditor Mary Sue, what to do, totally wrong.

    It shows how hard it ever was to audit Hubbard. He was playing another game in his mind as he sat there as a preclear, he was researching all the time, compulsively, and the research isn’t really research it is various psychological delusional games he’s unknowingly playing on himself.

    This is comparable to the mind games Hubbard was playing on himself with the Affirmations where he was obviously trying to self hypnotise himself with ideas he thought would benefit his case.

    It’s comparable to the 1963 Helatrobus Heaven bulletin he wrote, which didn’t contain comments to limit that bulletin’s distribution, but higher ups thought better than include the Heaven bulletin in the broadly published red volumes for all the public to read.

    It’s a great tape to show how Hubbard used the meter, used his wife, to confirm his ideas, this isn’t proper research.

    Some Scientologists would sympathize with Ron though, if they heard this. They’d see how he explored the whole track himself, being audited by Mary Sue, and him coaching her what to do with him and how to keep him informed.

    That’s my first impression, it’s so long and boring, I don’t think I’d ever get through this.

    Talk about Home Universe and the early universes colliding, in 1963 Time Track Bulletin gives Hubbard’s 11 years later summary of the beginning of the universe(s).

    In 15 May 1963 THE TIME TRACK AND ENGRAM RUNNING BY CHAINS, page 167 of 1991 edition red volume 7 (Roman Numeral VII), Hubbard writes:

    “It is doubtful if another type of being built the physical universe and still lurks within it to trap further. But older beings, already degraded, have continuously been about to help new beings to go downhill.

    “Each thetan had his own “Home Universe” and these, colliding or made to collide, probably are the physical universe. But of this origin and thees intentions we are nt at this time certain.

    “It is enough for us to resolve the problem of the aberrative nature of this universe and provide a technology which assuages that aberration and keeps one abreast of it. This is practical and we can already do it. . . .”

    In many places studying Hubbard along their many levels of Hubbard’s writings compartmented into courses, the student hears Hubbard say procedures changed.

    The Code of the Auditor changed so that much of this research session is disallowed today, the eval, the pc controlling the session, etc.

    I’d say that the higher trained auditors, like a Class 6 trainee on the Briefing Course would not think anything of this lecture.

    And for sure people in the Senior C/S Int Office would only hesitate to publish this and the other Hubbard “research” that isn’t valid research sessions of Hubbard or Mary Sue or others, because only trained Scientologists could sort through listening to all this and know that they should not do what he’s doing, and appreciate this (this is invalid research, but in the crazy way Scientologists learn to appreciate Hubbard’s “research”) and see how Ron explored, and they would later know what parts of this exploration he later discarded.

    And I’m being totally bend over backwards devils advocate about all this.

    I do NOT believe a stitch of this completely flawed and obviously looney to the audience who don’t believe in past lives, and how don’t believe we can “ouja board” ourselves into our memories of when the universe we are in began, sort of running ourselves with Hubbard’s techniques back to when we entered the universe ourselves!

    For those that believe in their spiritual whole track to the beginning of their spiritual lives in the universe this will have attraction, this Hubbard lecture.

    Thanks so much for whoever is putting this and other lectures, the unedited ones, online for history!!

    Chuck Beatty
    ex Sea Org, 1975-2003

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Yeah,but if you play it backwards it makes total sense. Mary isn’t so docile.”WE rrrr cummming tooo get your planet but your money firsdt,redrum.Clean up your Mmmmmest!”

    • mpl

      Auditors are not to be docile, but that is a quality required of an LRH wife! Docility and the willingness to be the patsy in any federal conspiracy charges.

    • richelieu jr

      Not to mention he doesn’t pay an exorbitant price for it, and his answers are not recorded for posterity and shared with hundreds of strangers.

      Nope, definitely not standard Scientology, that’s for sure!

    • richelieu jr

      Got a link on the Helitrobus Bulletin, Chuck?

      • TDA1541A

        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.scientology/U6CWGZtX55k

        Helatrobus Implants
        382 trillion years ago to 52 trillion years ago.
        Aircraft Door Implants
        216 trillion years ago to 315 trillion years
        ago.
        The Gorilla Goals
        319 trillion years ago to 83 trillion trillion
        trillion years ago.
        The Bear Goals
        83 trillion trillion trillion years ago to about
        40.7 trillion trillion trillion trillion years ago.

        The Glade Implants
        (formerly called Black
        Thetan)
        40.7 trillion trillion trillion trillion years
        ago to 5.9 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years ago.
        The Invisible Picture Goals 5.9 trillion trillion trillion trillion
        trillion years to a date not fully determined.
        The Minion Implants
        Not yet determined.
        The Story of Creation
        Implants
        70 trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion
        trillion trillion years.

        • richelieu jr

          Oh good gravy…

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        No, sorry, but I do recall it is in some scholarly paper, at least big parts of it, or some book has parts of it in that book! I can’t recall which, sorry.

        • Techie

          That does look a little like Deld but I’m not sure why he would be at Flag. In 2002-4 thereabouts he was my room-mate in the Maintenance Man’s shed doing O/Ws and condition writeups full time after “going out-2D” (could mean anything from a longing glance to a full-on affair in the Sea Org and I never got the full scoop on this one). He was long gone from Comps at that point and was just a logistics truck driver for Gold. His affair was with a non-Scientology supplier. He was doing some kind of book or essay about children as his “effective blow to the enemy” and I thought that was really like Deld – find something to do that is completely different from what everybody else does yet fits the requirements. I suspect he was on his way out at that point, most people who end up under full time security watch are. His former wife Denise was still in Comps and was trying to edit the Basic Books, rough going for a non-native English speaker with a very broad French accent. Lo, how the mighty hath fallen. At one time one of L Ron Hubbard’s most trusted lieutenants, head of R Comps when it was 30 strong or more, stuck in a 4’x8′ shack 24/7 with a guard to watch him at all times.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            I chatted with Deld only on day to day RPF matters and only in the casual daily RPF work or living situations. He twinned with Don Bateman on that Happy Valley RPF of the late nineties.

            I transferred to the PAC RPF in Nov 2000 right when that RPF was becoming a big holding group from which people we being essentially reprieved mostly.

            How much of his RPF tech auditing he and Don were able to finish Bruce Hinds who know better.

            But Deld to me is so obviously still there for LRH.

            And transfer to likely one the subunits at the FLB that allows that casual uniform polo shirt and kakis pants is fitting.

            Foster Tompkins in the uniform of the PaAC Mill staff doing their hard working daily Mill duties I likewise put Foster in that category of staying there for LRH.

  • Love this example of cold reading.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7XIf-z1J4w

    • Snuzey

      I LOVE Derren!! He has helped me ‘see the light’ on many subjects…! But the cold reading is my favourite.

    • Missionary Kid

      Learn to be a psychic in 10 easy lessons. (A download from Skeptic magazine). “While some psychics are known to cheat and acquire information ahead of
      time, these ten tips focus on what is known as “cold reading” — reading
      someone “cold” without any prior knowledge about them.”

      http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/learn-to-be-a-psychic-in-10-easy-lessons/

  • LongNeckGoose

    I was able to hang in for about 2 minutes. Could someone please just post the transcript?

  • nottrue

    Ron here is a certificate you really earned……….

    • mpl

      YES!!!!!!!! 😀

    • richelieu jr

      Two-ply, too! Soft on the ol’ keister, there fatso!

  • mimsey borogrove

    You make a point about the variable of changing grip. Tony – have you ever had someone do some meter drills with you? The reads from changing grip are visually, completely unlike the reads that occur in response to questions. I am certain that there are some ex-scientologist auditors in the New York area that would spend a few hours with you and you could see the difference with your own eyes. There are drills that an auditor trains on the learn to distinguish the difference between the two. I would suggest you go to Just Bill’s Ask the Scientologist web page – he has a couple really good articles on how the meter works.
    There are many conundrums with meter reads – Hubbard says it reads just below the consciousness of a person, yet when you do a drill like hidden date ( a person writes down a date on a piece of paper) or uses his birthday, which are known by the coach ( the person holding the cans) and not the auditor, an adroit auditor can find those dates. I have done it many times. But what does it read on? Is it reading on belief? It is certainly not a physical reaction – the meter reads are too fast for a physical twitch. They are instantaneous. There is no way a person can move as fast as the needle can react, and in cases that involve a read that is repeated ( consider the events of the day drill) can a person squeeze the cans in the exact same way.
    If I was on the east coast – I’d happily drop by and do some drills with you, but I’m not. I’m not promoting Scientology by the above, but there are many misconceptions about how the meter works and it always irks me when people make pronouncements about with out having used one and understand how they work.
    One last point – there was tv commercial a few years back and they were questioning a person on a lie detector and showing the needles flickering as the person was being questioned, and you could clearly see the needle fall on an embarrassing question. There was no moving around – it had all of the sensors connected properly.
    Mimsey

    • Elar Aitch

      Mimsey – legitimate question. If they are that accurate, why don’t you think such device is used outside of Scientology, for example in law enforcement or psychology?

      • mimsey borogrove

        because it reads on belief to some extent – if you don’t believe you did anything wrong, it may not read. And it can be fooled. The auditor is asking you about you having cooked the books at your job, and you are thinking about eating chocolate and how much you enjoy and love it, and there is no reaction on the meter, so you are pronounced free of guilt, but you are guilty as sin. Mimsey

    • George Layton

      So the reaction happens the instant the auditor begins to speak?

      • mimsey borogrove

        The read the auditor is after comes at the precise end of the statement or question. There are prior and later ones. example – lets say the auditor asks: Were you yelled at by your mother? X, father? Small Fall, Sister? tick, uncle? x, aunt – long fall. (X indicates a no reaction) The aunt would be the one to auditor took up first.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          So you watch the meter during questioning or making statements and ignore everything else?

    • media_lush

      I reckon if you gave an e-meter to Penn & Teller that could get the needle to whatever they wanted it to do after a couple of hours

    • Eivol Ekdal

      He is not talking about changing grip, he is talking about imperceptible minuscule movements.
      By instantaneous you mean like the speed of light or an electron in a circuit?

      • kemist

        The difference between a microsecond and a nanosecond delay is imperceptible to a human, which is why threading and pipelining in computers makes programs look like they are operating simultaneously to a human.

        Humans cannot see if things happen simultaneously unaided.

        Our thoughts literally move too slow for that.

    • kemist

      It does not take much change in grip to change surface of contact on that humongous electrode. We’re talking minute variation in pressure. I wouldn’t bet on a human eye on being able to see these changes. Add to this that the emeter circuitry is specially designed to be extra bouncy, and you have a device that generate so much noise you can interpret it in any way you want.

      And why would you expect an ideomotor reflex to look like a voluntary squeeze ?

  • ze moo

    Leaderofleaders has this one pegged correctly. Lroon is preparing his next stage act for the minions and poor Mary Sue has to play the straight man. Lrooon really loved the sound of his voice and that really shows here. You can see the patter he later institutionalized and how he developed it. All it needs is some sciencey name to sell it. What shall Lrooon use????

    Lroon was in deep money trouble at this point in his life and yet he had the means to buy or borrow a tape recorder (maybe a wire recorder was originally used??) and the time to play ‘research’ with his wife.

    Perhaps this session was really designed to sell Mary Sue with Lroons omnipotence and leadership skills.

    • Observer

      You can hear how pleased he was with himself when he came up with “targ.” Not only was it oozing out of that oleaginous voice of his, he repeated every chance he got, with embellishments: targer, targ rider, etc.

      Mary Sue was truly a pathetic figure.

  • Couch_Incident

    Journalist, advocate, and historian. Another tour de force article Tony.

  • Vaquera

    When Hubbard said that he had “trapped an entity,” I couldn’t stop visualizing MSH firing a proton stream at said entity (à la Ghostbusters), after which LRH immobilizes it with a capture stream. Then the duo move the entity down into the Muon Trap for safe transport to their Eco Containment Unit to await e-metering.

    LRH (as Ray Stanz): “Don’t look directly into the trap!”
    MSH (as Egon Spengler): “I looked into the trap, Ron”

    Scientology: Don’t look into the trap.

    • Illinoisian

      Now when body thetans are mentioned I’ll be picturing Slimer.

  • KNMF

    I always suspected that the Targs were commies. Finally! Sweet validation.

  • Mark

    What a pity Mary-Sue was such a gullible girl (refresh):

    • Sherbet

      Dude rocks a turban all right.

      • mpl

        It has extra room built in for his sebaceous cyst.

        • Sherbet

          Ha! Laughing here, mpl.

        • Elar Aitch

          That thing’s enormous!

    • villagedianne

      Lucille Ball, another redhead with Powerz!

      • Zana

        At least she was gifted. And her I Love Lucys still hold up and make me laugh today. Brilliant woman who didn’t try to be a guru.

        • villagedianne

          Yes Lucy used her talent to make people happy. She was also a very successful business woman in her own right, all without the Tech.

          • Zana

            Absolutely. She invented a whole new genre and ran her own studio: DesiLu… at a time when it was unheard of for a woman to have that kind of power and influence. The tech would have slowed her down.

  • flyonthewall
    • scnethics

      Thank you!

  • Observer

    So then BTs are really Body Targs.

    I can’t believe I made it through the whole thing …

  • flyonthewall

    if you follow the scribd link in an esmb post from 2009 – http://www.scribd.com/doc/7767048/battle-of-universes it brings you to a scribd page that says

    Removal Notice

    This content was removed at the request of Moxon & Kobrin

    That’s kinda interesting 🙂

    esmb post is at – http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?14353-Leak-LRH-quot-Electropsychometric-Scouting-Battle-of-the-Universes-quot

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      That, Moxon is a busy man. No rest for the wicked.

  • Truthiwant

    Dianetics: The Modern Seance of Mental Health.

  • flyonthewall

    anyway to download this recording so we can have a copy of our own to keep?

  • Sherbet

    If a die-hard sci were to listen to this or read a transcript, would s/he say, “Yes! Excellent research!” or “This was obviously faked by a sci-hater,” or “Hmmm. Sounds weird, but Source said it, so it must be true.”

    • joan nieman

      I think the Moxon’s would understand quite well as they have had contact with aliens in the past!

  • Mary Sue Hubbard is a grown woman with a “baby voice” which is often a signal that someone was victimized in childhood and is set up to be a good victim in life.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I think that is what Hubbard expected of women being from that era and all that…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

    • whingeybingey

      Yes, the way she sounds reminds me of Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz.

  • media_lush

    TAAAAAAAARRGGGS!!!! said in the voice of captain Kirk’s “Kaaaahhhnnn”… has a much more visceral appeal than “thetans”

    … anyway, a minor little amuse-bouche of when scientology meets Hip-Hop popped up on one of my favourite clams fb page today:

    “Hi John, would you mind sharing our Music Charity Project? This is the text
    DrugFreeYouthMusicProject in Support of Narconon.

    Buy the track $1.5 and get full drug / alcohol / prescription drug information.
    Donations will go to Narconon.

    Share with your friends, not having true data about drugs since they can get them on http://www.drugfreeyouthmusicproject.org

    …. you can hear the song itself here: https://audioboo.fm/boos/2231670-substansification-hip-rock

    pic

  • 0tessa

    So, if I understand this correctly, people, staffmembers, Scientologists are targ-ridden theta beings, that can be treated like Miscavige wants: beat them, order them around, kill them. whatever. That would explain this control culture of Scientology. What I do not understand yet is: is Miscavige a super targ or he is the only theta-being around?
    Anyhow, it is fascinating hearing (reading) this stuff! The e-meter helps Hubbard to believe what he is phantasizing.

  • Tony DePhillips

    Oh brother!! It seems like Mary Sue doesn’t even know how to run an e-meter. When she says “big drop on tone” LRH had to correct her into just saying “big drop”. It’s all pretty nuts anyways.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      If the meter needle dropped far enough the needle would hit the stop at the end of the dial, so you would have to move the “tone arm” downward to bring it back on the dial.

      So, “drop in tone” would make sense within this structure.

      • Mooser

        Oh, I must know. How does somebody “run” an e-meter? Like there is a certain procedure which yields results?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Keep the needle more or less in the middle of the dial. Move the “tone arm” up or down as necessary to do that.

          writhe down the needle patterns. “Fall” (drop to the right) “Rise”, “Floating needle”, etc.

          The “Fall” is considered to mean “something is there” to take up or discuss or follow up on. The “fall” is used like a dousing stick to locate the “charge” so the person can remember the incident and “dis-charge” it.

          And so on.

          • Observer

            And so forth. (couldn’t resist)

          • Mooser

            Thanks, that is the procedure I will use from now on.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Like a circus monkey not knowing how to turn the crank without treats. You know he’s pinching her under the table,”Oh,yeah Big Drop.”

    • TDA1541A

      Give the woman a break, it’s 1952 and her Husband is L Ron Hubbard.

  • edge

    This is a textbook example of confirmation bias. Hubbard is spouting off whatever science fiction his mind can come up with, and he looks at his compliant wife and e-meter to tell him he was right, so in his mind he must be right, so he keeps going. This is what he calls his research. This is as scientific as scientology gets.

    Oh, and Targs are Klingon pets are they not?

    • Ardent

      Yes, they are. Lovely snarling little Klingon doggies.

  • TDA1541A
  • Tony Ortega

    For those of you saying this is the first time you’ve heard Mary Sue Hubbard’s voice, how soon memory fades. A year ago, we posted a different recording, from 1963, of L. Ron auditing out trillion-year implants from his wife in another one-on-one recording…

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/06/03/l-ron-hubbard-intends-to-rid-you-of-a-43-trillion-year-old-implant-what-was-that-like/

    • TDA1541A

      THANK YOU

    • Anonymous

      Mary Sue can also be heard in the audience making confirmatory “aha” type remarks while Hubbard speaks in some early group lectures.

      • ze moo

        The ‘shill’ in group settings is very necessary to get some ‘agreement’ from the audience. Not so different from the person throwing away their cane or crutch at a faith healing or snake oil session. John Edwards uses the same cold reading tech to run his shows, with all the tricks necessary to get the ‘buy in’ from the audience. South Park called him the ‘biggest douche in the universe’, a sentiment I agree with. Look at youtube for Penn and Jillette take on cold reading.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vHS0dZl3OU

        Lron used these techniques to found and run clamatology.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Didn’t Dianne Sawyer interview her behind bars?

        • Anonymous

          Don’t know – have not heard this.

          It seems highly unlikely as it would violate every single bit of Scientology PR tech.

          But I do have to ask…is your question a sort of a Poe’s Law inquiry?

        • I don’t think so, she would not have been permitted by Ron to grant any kind of interview.

      • The best cons have planted shills in the audience.

        • Missionary Kid

          For lrh, everyone he could muster was a planted shill. When you put enough of them together, you have supreme groupthink.

        • Anonymous

          Agreed.

          The “success stories” that folks write at the end of an auditing step are also frequently an unwittingly form of shilling for the efficacy of Scientology.

          Many report writing their success stories under duress simply to be done with an action and to move on. Some of the success stories are written from a sincere belief that the author has received benefit.

          The pressure is on to write these quickly after the attestation to completion so that:
          1) the thoughts are captured while the person still feels good 2) the C/S can confirm that the person is in fact “done” on that step 3) the comments can be used to lure others to pay for and do the same action, and 4) eventually be used as “proof” that the person received value from their donation in the event that they later ask for a refund.

          Early on in Scientology there was at least some emphasis on external testing and validation of the specific gains that were claimed for various auditing steps. This proved unworkable and was eventually morphed into the “attestation line” where the PC declared they were done, versus having to demonstrate specific gains. This let the church off the hook from a promises-versus-delivery standpoint and accelerated the speed with which money could be extracted from folks.

          Looking at the whole operational history of the organization from DMSMH to today, it seems pretty clear that the huge delta between promises-versus-delivery puts Scientology firmly into the category of a very expensive, long duration hoax.

    • Mooser

      C’mon Tony, how much do you expect us to torture ourselves in return for the pleasure of reading your writing? I find you do a fine job of reporting and explaining it all.

    • NOLAGirl

      Two Ron recordings in one day? Uh-uh Ortega, not even if you paid me.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      nix MSH.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Thanks for reposting, I remember now. I listened to that on the day, passed out and woke up choking on aspirated SpaghettiOs.

      • Missionary Kid

        Snickersnort.

        LRH’s “data” was that powerful, huh?

    • Ewww! I don’t think I want to hear Ron digging anything out of his wife. Yeech!

  • Anonymous

    I listened to this tape many years ago but do not have time to listen to it anew from Tony’s post.

    What I recall most clearly was not the content of Hubbard’s comments, but the fawning attitude of Mary Sue as she announced the reads while Hubbard spoke and adoringly confirmed his ramblings as it they were the received truth. This particular fawning attitude is also noticeable from the small audiences present during some of Hubbard’s earliest recorded group lectures. In many cases new audience tracks have been over-dubbed onto the modern re-releases of these recordings to make it sound like the original audiences were much bigger than the two dozen or so people actually in attendance.

    Tony’s remark near the end of the article about “cold readings” is very important. More information about what can be involved with cold readings is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading.

    These techniques, knowingly or otherwise, are woven throughout Scientology study and practice. One of the more obvious instances is when Hubbard instructs the solo auditor on where to look (upper left) for certain light phenomenon on OT III, which seems to “validate” the level to those who begin as skeptics.

    Hubbard was familiar with a host of techniques including hypnotism, magic and covert propaganda, which he used liberally while creating first Dianetics and later Scientology.

    Apologists will say that seeing sausage making in a factory will discourage sausage eating later on. In this particular post, Tony has done others a huge favor by exposing some of the earliest sausage making in Scientology, thus helping others to avoid one greasy, messy meal later in life.

    • TDA1541A

      Alsoo techniques like: “Imagine your problem sitting in that chair” from an anthroppsophic and psycho-somatic angle.

      Becomes: “Imagine space cooties”

    • You’re right about the small audiences. I believe there were no more than 35 people at the Philadelphia Doctorate Course.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Factually it was 350000000000000000 people date located to 5,937,013,981,521,004,722 years ago at 3:39 AM GMT + 12 parsecs.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      “but do not have time to listen to it anew from Tony’s post.” You are lucky,sir!

    • Missionary Kid

      I’ve posted it elsewhere today, but Skeptic magazine has a pdf download on how to become a psychic in 10 easy lessons, which uses cold reading techniques. http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/learn-to-be-a-psychic-in-10-easy-lessons/

      • Anonymous

        This is excellent – thanks for the link.

        For folks that are familiar with Scientology auditing processes, think about the 10 easy lessons from the PDF in the link above as they relate to the 1) Model Session, 2) Auditors Code, 3) Flying of Ruds.

        Almost everything in Scientology is presented as one thing, but is frequently in fact the mirror image opposite.

        Like the Bridge to Total Freedom – Heh.

    • When you listened to this years ago, did you have to pay money to listen to it? Was it contained in one of the course materials? Or did you get it like everyone else: Downloaded off the Intertubes. 🙂

  • Juicer77

    And Robert, you’re right! (just had to keep that one going)

  • However this adapted Wheatstone bridge actually works, I could often influence a needle while holding the cans and not moving my hands or squeezing the cans, and I’ve seen others do it. Produce a “floating needle”? Not a problem. When I was using it or having it used on me I always saw it as a tool to find things about which thoughts did not readily flow, where a bit of mental attention was hung up, like a “sin” (“overt” in $cientology) that you didn’t want to freely admit. The problem is, continual use of the meter just gets people grinding down into the mind and $cientologists buy into Elwrong’s bullshit pitch that you’re “buried deep” spiritually and only his crap can ever “salvage” you. Some things you can just look at – with enough life distance – and go “Yeah, getting arrested was really stupid.” And then you can be free of it, that simple. Elwrong constructed his bullshit to keep you permanently in his “gimme all your money” maze. This tape is even crazier than 1950’s “The Role of Earth” and you can hear MSH’s subservience to the big blowhard. I was told by Nikki Merwin (her best friend) that Hubbard joked once in a lecture in Wichita that a fortune teller had predicted he was going to marry a redhead and a couple of days later Mary Sue (who was a blonde) showed up with her hair dyed red. This tape’s great because you can tell how sold she is on him; she sounds like a compliant slave.

    • Mooser

      “However this adapted Wheatstone bridge actually works, I could often
      influence a needle while holding the cans and not moving my hands or
      squeezing the cans, and I’ve seen others do it.”

      ROTFL!!! Sure you did! All the time. Why I bet you could make it do a hula Skip. And all with the power of your mind! It must be a mighty thing, your mind. I’m sure I could never do it, cause my mind is so weak.

      • Mooser

        However it works? Like it’s some kind of mystery? It’s not. Well maybe to you.

      • LIke I said, I’ve seen it done repeatedly, and done it. Your mind’s weak enough you’re here with a nickname, and I’m not. So maybe you couldn’t influence a needle. But it can easily be demonstrated. I beat a lie detector once with the same technique, and know others who have done the same. Funny, I can always count on at least one jackass to turn on high mock mode any time I post something here – you’re as predictable as the bark of a junkyard dog.

        • grundoon

          Mooser goes off like this anytime the words “E-meter” are mentioned.

          • Mooser

            I wonder, did Skip read the article? He’d be much better off arguing with Tony.

          • Mooser

            I’m thoe one who is “going off”? I’m the one who is basically saying the article is full of crap, and there is a connection between the e-meter and the brain?

            Yeah, okay.

            • grundoon

              As the current flows from can to can, it passes through a bunch of things that are connected to the brain. Why would you expect the conductivity to remain constant, when all sorts of chemical and electrical processes are going on all the time? All that matters is that the needle moves – and from that, Hubbard could spin a tale to dazzle the marks.

              Today’s article was not about the e-meter. The e-meter was an incidental detail. Whenever someone says “e-meter,” you start ranting about Ohm’s Law and electrical measurements, and derail the discussion off of whatever the original subject was. Not just once per article, but on every single comment that mentions an e-meter, even in passing. It gets old.

              Hubbard could just as well have used a Tarot deck, and then you would be ranting about shuffling and the laws of probability.

              You’re preaching to the choir here, Bub.

            • Mooser

              “You’re preaching to the choir here, Bub.”

              I’m always ready to have Church! Can I get an “Amen”?

              Can I get a witness? Well, as Skip says “LIke I said, I’ve seen it done repeatedly, and done it.” And when we witness that (Skip controlling an e-meter and beating a polygraph) we’ll all be shouting “I’ve been saved”!

        • Mooser

          “I beat a lie detector once with the same technique, and know others who have done the same.

          My goodness, I don’t know whether to be stunned by your mental prowess, or even more distrustfull of a guy who prides himself on being a good liar.

          I bet you can make the sun come up in the east to! Have you tried it on the tides, yet, Canute?

          • Missionary Kid

            Mooser, successful techniques for beating “lie detectors” have been around for a long time. That is one of the reasons that the results are not admissible in court.

            Also, they only are as good as the person administering the test, and the results are subjectively evaluated.

            • Mooser

              “Mooser, successful techniques for beating “lie detectors” have been around for a long time.”

              That’s true of course, but it’ll be very exciting to see the technique demonstrated live, in real time, (or videoed) at the Bunker!

              Wait a minute, is this beat-the-lie-detector another one of those things that everybody except me can do? That’s probably it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Part of it is learning how to control parts of the autonomous nervous system. Psychopaths easily beat them, too. They believe their own lies.

            • Mooser

              The lie detector is not a machine with a big meter which has “true” on one side and “lie” on the other. It measures certain physiological reactions in real time while the person is being questioned The operator, the interrogator is the one who tries to determine if these reactions indicate veracity or falsehood.
              The machine has absolutely no opinion on it, as far as I know.

            • Missionary Kid

              Basically, if one can control their autonomous nervous system, one can beat a polygraph, and that can be done with practice.

            • Once_Born

              And they don’t work at all on people who lack empathy (and a normal emotional response).

              So psychopaths (the very people who you would expect to find themselves hooked up to a polygraph) can ‘beat’ the test without even having to try.

        • Mooser

          “- you’re as predictable as the bark of a junkyard dog.”

          As predictable as people turning up who want to insist that they weren’t taken in by the e-meter.

          Anyway, I’ll see if I can’t arrange with The Bunker for you to do a live, real time demonstration of your ability to influence e-meters and beat lie detectors.

          When would be a convenient time to for you?

          • aquaclara

            Mooser, a number of other people have said that they learned to manipulate the meter, too.
            Lucky for them, and for us.

            • Mooser

              “Mooser, a number of other people have said that they learned to manipulate the meter, too”

              But Skip Press is going to demonstrate the ability to manipulate the e-meter, right here at the Bunker. That will be much more powerful evidence than any old story about it. I can’t wait!

        • Mooser

          “Funny, I can always count on at least one jackass to turn on high mock mode any time I post something here”

          That’s what happens when you are so willing to double down, in such a dumb manner. First you could control e-meters with your mind. now you can beat lie-detectors. Gosh, what’s next? I can’t wait!

          • Missionary Kid

            Skip is apparently well aware that an e-meter is a crude measure of conductivity. IMO, you’re going after him, hammer and tongs when he isn’t claiming it’s very valid.

            • Mooser

              This is what you call “hammer and tongs”? I am politely questioning him, with a bit of snark. That’s “hammer and tongs”? Sure, okay MK.
              I am being polite, and quite restrained. Some day, MK, I hope you get a chance to see what I can do when I do go after somebody “hammer and tongs”. But I only ever do that if the person is standing in front of me, so they have a chance to swing at me. It would be chickenshit to do it over the Internet.

          • Well, gosh, all sort of things are possible. Why, just think of your own life – you blew a moose or two and immediately came up with a name for yourself on the Internet.

            • Mooser

              “- you blew a moose or two”

              Well, well,well, look who’s mastered “confront and shatter” as well the e-meter and the polygraph. “You blew a moose or two” gosh darn, I wish I could come up with verbal tech like that.

              At any rate, it’s pretty plain Scientology keeps a guy youthful.

            • Aw golly, we’re ya shattered, Bullwinkle? I wouldn’t know about that one, being as I left the cult in 96, but you’re obviously an expert on everything, so I’ll just take your word for it. Give me your address and I’ll ship over some Crazy Glue so you can put yourself back together.

            • Mooser

              Why are you saying you left the cult in 96? Are you backing down? Gonna say that 18 yrs ago is too long to remember how you used to control the e-meter and beat polygraphs?

              So anytime you want to demonstrate your mental abilities (besides at raillery, which you stink at, big fella) I’m ready to watch.

            • Go back to your briar patch, Brer Bitchy. I have better things to do that humor creeps like you. I don’t forget anything – it’s very simple and lots of people can do it, as I could now, but it’s beyond your mental capacities. Your life is centered around anonymity and bile – not my problem. I’m saying I left in 96, which I did. It’s been published repeatedly. But then, this is like trying to explain crossing the street to a slug.

            • Mooser

              Oh my Skip, stuff like that just makes me think, ‘now here’s a guy who knows what he is talking about’ It sure does!

              And pleez, massa, don’t throw me in the briar patch, please, don’t throw me in the briar patch.

              Now lets see, we have “Brer Bitchy” and “humor creeps like you” and some disparaging of my “mental capacities” And a rather tendentious and desperate stab at “anonymity and bile” And then “a slug”!

              Yes sir, now there’s proof. Any e-meter or polygraph will do just what you want.

              Me, those sticks and stones have broken my bones, and I’m gonna go have a good cry, and put something on my bruises.

            • Mooser

              “I’ll ship over some Crazy Glue so you can put yourself back together.”

              Sure, pal, I need putting back together. Maybe that’s because when I came into contact with Hubbard and his works, I said “What bullshit” and never gave it another glance.
              But I guess that’s not as good as being able to control an e-meter, or beat a polygraph.

      • TDA1541A

        Get over yourself, we have read many stories that said the same.

        Sharone Stainsforth ring a bell ?

        • Mooser

          “Get over yourself”

          I’m not the one who claims he can influence the e-meter and beat a lie detector. I’m well over myself. I don’t think I can do those things, and I am more than willing to say so. Anyway, I’ll look forward to Mr. Press’ demonstration of his abilities. I’ll have no choice but to believe it, then.

    • Mooser

      “When I was using it or having it used on me I always saw it as a tool to find things about which thoughts did not readily flow”

      Want to explain how thoughts or emotions change the electrical resistance of the body, as measured from hand-to-hand, [ and with an over-calibration (the tone arm) of at least 10x?]
      Has psychiatry and psychology been missing such an obvious simple guide to the human mind?

      John Atack was right, and I should never have doubted him. It’s the last thing to go, that -meter.

    • joeapple212

      My two cents? Your hands don’t have to move for the meter to read.

      When you hold the cans, you don’t see the meter.. only the auditor sees the meter. So it’s not a matter of observing the meter and learning what hand movements make the needle move.

      The analogy of the Ouija is a lovely one. The ouija starts to move before we have time to think about it. Relaxation is characterized by ready access to unconscious mental processes; in that way it is analogous to dreaming. We move the board and we are surprised by the result, like being surprised by a dream. This is easily exploited to seem like magic.

      There are all kinds of experiments that involve measuring skin resistance. (refresh) Even so, there’s still no such thing as an infallible lie detector. It’s feasible that certain emotional reactions might make the needle on the e-meter move. Over a period of time, a person might remember all the times they were told their needle was floating, and based on that, make it float.. but it’s not a direct observation.

      But, more importantly, a good con artist observes the mark, and has the uncanny ability of telling the mark exactly what the mark wants to hear. The person holding the cans may not see the meter, but they are observing their own thoughts. That makes it personal. It makes it easier to be conned. And when there’s a match-up between feeling really, really good and being told, “your needle’s floating,” it seems other-worldly.. just like a ouija.. because it reveals the existence of your own thought/impulses that are just beneath the surface.

      How to sum this up? How about some poetry? Here’s an excerpt from “Fred Had Watched a Lot of Kung Fu Episodes”, by Tony Hoagland: “But we couldn’t tell the difference / between a personal disaster / and ‘having an experience'”

      • Mooser

        “When you hold the cans, you don’t see the meter.. only the auditor sees
        the meter. So it’s not a matter of observing the meter and learning what
        hand movements make the needle move.”

        Yup! I hadn’t even gone there yet.

        However, I’m sure Mr. Press’ demonstration will clear all this up, especially after the results have been repeated several times. No room for doubt, then.

        • Mooser

          BTW, I gave a quick look up to the methods employed in the devices used for ‘lie detection’ Skin resistance doesn’t even rate a mention. Heart rate, respiration, blood pressure, almost anything which might possibly have some use has been, or is being used. But not skin resistance, as measured from hand to hand.

          BTW, there is a measure of units of electrical resistance, they are called “ohms”. How many Ohms is normal from hand to hand? How many ohm per thetan?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I’m tired of this Hubbardy Blubbardy. I just wanna go Ohm!

      • Mooser

        You want poetry joeapple212? Well to me, your fourth paragraph, (the one beginning with “But, more importantly…”) is sheer poetry. Well said.

        • joeapple212

          Hubbard said in the Auditor’s Code never to “invalidate” the pc. In other words, don’t argue with the mark……

          • Mooser

            “In other words, don’t argue with the mark……”

            Tell it to Skip Press.

    • She went to prison for him. It makes me wonder if she ratted him out to the Feds or whether she clammed up. The Feds continued to search for Ron to arrest him but I always wondered if she sang like a canary on him or whether she remained a useful idiot.

      • She clammed up. I asked Nikki once if Hubbard was upset about MSH going to prison. She said, well, he got upset that she got strip-searched. And that was all she said. Back then (80s) most $cientologists were still totally brainwashed into thinking Elwrong was always right. Pretty sure she was a true believer all the way but I did hear about some yelling on the Apollo.

        • Missionary Kid

          His yelling or hers?

          • Yelling at each other. Got it from two different sources at different times, just like this story – For all her demureness, Mary Sue once took a hunting knife to the neck of a kind of playboy kid on the Apollo who was wooing Suzette and told him to get off the ship, and he did in the next port. Those two had a weird relationship.

        • TDA1541A
  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    While I listened to this tape and read the transcript, I noticed how similar the ‘session’ is and the way hubbard would speak in his lectures.

    I noticed that hubbard was intent on training himself to recognize when he had a “drop’ or a “fall.’

    Like Bruce said, he is free-associating and looking to the meter to tell him which of the statements are “true.” This is the long lost “research” of scientology. It was hiding in plain sight. It is the verbal equivalent of automatic writing. No notes. No experiments. Just a fabulist and his electric Ouija board.

    THIS is the research. It is just the loon using electRONics to to convince himself his fantasies are ‘real.’

    As he trained himself to feel the ‘drops’ or ‘falls’ he was able to go to a lecture in this mode and make up this crap on-the-fly. The manner of speech an cadence in this ‘session’ are exactly the same as in his lectures.

    WOW!

    (Big drop there)

    • Observer

      I find the fact that he was able to just spew this crap out continuously with very few pauses to be alarming. His mind must have been a horrific place to be.

      • Sherbet

        lrh’s personal weather report: Mostly baloney with a chance of crazy

        • Brainstorms later in the day, with a heavy accumulation of BS.

          • Sherbet

            😀

      • Missionary Kid

        Remember how he prided himself on his ability to type fast and continuously to kick out stories for the pulps? This was just the result of doing that and lying while spinning tales for years.

    • Elar Aitch

      I was assuming that MSH was in on the scam, perhaps reporting the needle responses that LRH was winking at her to report?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I think that hubbard thought it was an electronic ouija board, as Bruce Hines supposes. Somehow he developed the idea that he could use it to steer himself toward the “things he knew that he didn’t know he knew.” Even probably as a way to contact and control the “magical beings” he was familiar with from his occult studies.

        His belief in it transferred to Mary Sue. She was his apprentice/guardian angel/familiar.

        I read it as a mutual fantasy creation, using the ‘reads’ of the meter to give them the idea they were actually doing something real and that it was research into the unknown. Like a bunch of boys weaving a shared horror story fantasy and stumbling (they think) into some kind of evidence that converts it from fantasy into a just-might-be real and scaring the shit out of them.

        The meter changed it from babbling fantasy into a “unique and unprecedented view into the mystical true nature of human beings, the mind, the universe and trillions of years into the past.” And of course, hubbard could always turn that kind of thing into control and fame and most importantly, money.

    • It was just a fancy prop to him. That’s why he didn’t mind dropping the e-meter for a few years.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I think he dropped it because Mathison the inventor fell-out with hubbard. Hubbard didn’t own it, so he stopped using it. Then later he made his own (with the help of a bunch of the 50’s followers of hubbard who actually developed the 60’s e-meter)(Lots of them made their own.)

        When he had one he controlled, hubbard then pushed it’s use.

        • It was a handy prop, so he picked it up again when he didn’t have to share any credit, but I doubt there was much difference in Hubbard’s personal auditing style with and without a meter.

          All those rules on how to audit and what to read were for other people. (Who’s going to tell him “Yer doing it wrong”?)

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          If you go the US Patent Office website, it is easy to get the history of the different revisions to the original patent(s). This is the latest one, dated Feb 2012 – http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8121676.PN.&OS=PN/8121676&RS=PN/8121676

          From the abstract: “An improved device for indicating and measuring small variations in the resistance of a living body is disclosed which utilizes a central processing unit to digitally process sensed body resistances and drive a resistance-indicating display while compensating for the effects of component aging, component tolerances and component temperatures. […] unit additionally adjusts the gain of the meter-driving signal by a gain factor dependant on a user-selected meter-sensitivity setting to avoid previously experienced difficulties in monitoring small changes in body resistance caused by difficulty in setting the initially desired meter reading at certain meter-range values, as well as occasional false and unexpected reversals of meter reading as the meter’s range was adjusted.”

          Due to the technical nature of these patent documents, I probably can’t fully understand why former members wouldn’t or couldn’t sue for refunds based on these self-admitted and documented “false and unexpected reversals of meter reading” problems associated with former e-meter models, especially those build, sold, and used in auditing sessions prior to this latest Feb 2012 patent improvement application.

    • Missionary Kid

      I put “Electric Ouija board” as the answer to the question, “What is an e-meter?” on my revised lists, located in a new spot. It’s at the bottom of NICKNAMES FOR $CIETNOLOGY http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/12/more-proof-of-kerri-kasems-scientology-involvement-and-laura-prepon-lies-like-a-rug/#comment-1439059687

  • Troy MacGyver SP

    “Roll over play dead,get spiritual minded.” “Big Drop”

  • “Boy, that is one batshit crazy transcript!”

    Mr. Mackey: Drug are bad, M’kay?
    Kyle: Why? Why are they bad?

    Mr. Makey: Look at what they did to L. Ron Hubbard, M’kay?

    Kyle: Oh.

    Years ago I met a guy whom all my friends called “Marvin” because he was clinically depressed, a conspiracy loon, and batshit crazy and he moped about the place muttering, his brain infested with all kinds of fractured bits of lunacy. (Marvin, the robot from Hitchhiker’s Guide.) I met him at a “Field Day” for a HAM Radio event.

    This was a guy whose psycho mumble included the frames of his eye glasses being electronically altered by unseen forces of the U.S. or possible Soviet government to monitor everything he said and did. He would often refuse to wear his glasses because of it and he would have his driving license suspended for short periods of time — which was further proof that THEY were out to get him.

    Poor Marvin was leagues saner than Hubbard ever was. This Hubbard conman was seriously messed up! His brain was utter pudding — and not the good kind, I’m talking pudding left outside in the Summer Sun with ants and stuff. Totally bonkers.

    • Missionary Kid

      Conspiracy theorists are like that.

  • Victoria Pandora

    Well, this tape makes it clear how the Sea Org and the rest of $cientology became so abusive. Only a Targ wouldn’t want to wash my car! And all that bullshit about how you have to be OT to go OT. What this really means is they are doing you a big favour working you to death, THETANS love to work, Targs are lazy.
    And I am sure every exhausted staff member has heard the line: “Sleep is just a dramatization of death”.
    Hubbard was stuck in the tone level of “punishing Targs”.
    What an ugly belief system he had going.

    Man oh man, I would have loved to see the complete collection of every book he ever read. You can easily spot the mish mash of woo, psychology and bad politics. Just run it all through that meat grinder he called a brain, and viola’ you’ve got mankinds only hope.

    • joan nieman

      And that sort of thing.

    • MaxSpaceman

      And the products he devised to sell are still bought today 60 years on by thousands of individuals around the world.

      Hard to believe but true. Like Ripley’s, Believe It, Or Not!

  • Mooser

    “Although an E-meter is a crude electronic device that measures tiny fluctuations in electrical current in a subject’s skin”

    No, the “electrical current” comes from the battery in the e-meter, and the e-meter is set up as a crude resistance-indicating device. The “tone” arm, of course, has more effect than anything else, on the movement of the needle.

    The human body is not a battery one hand + and the other -.

    • Mooser

      “All an E-meter does is show changes in electrical resistance.”

      Yup, it’s pretty crude. Certainly not at the stage of technological sophistication shown by this device! It uses radio frequency! Like a radio!

    • joan nieman

      I know how this E-Meter thing drives you insane Mooser!

      • kemist

        It does give me a bad case of SIWOTI too.

        I’ve played (and made) with more complicated electronic devices as a student, FFS.

        • Mooser

          When I was but a lad, a veritable shapely calf, I made a small inverter. A couple of D-cells, a very simple transistor oscillator, and then backwards through a small power-transformed, so it stepped up instead of down. Attach the leads to two balls of tin foil, then somehow induce others to pick them up, then throw the switch. Good times ensue!
          I hope I taught a few of my schoolmates not to grab things with wires when somebody tells them to. I like to think it may have done some good.

          • Missionary Kid

            Hell, I’ve cut off a piece of wire so it’s not connected to anything, stripped the insulation off of one end, and asked people to touch the uninsulated end, and people refuse.

            In Electric Shop in Jr. High, we used to take large capacitors, put the end wires close together, then plug them into the wall receptacle, and pull it out. We’d then walk up to some unsuspecting victim with the charged capacitor and put it on their bare skin. Zap.

            • Mooser

              “Hell, I’ve cut off a piece of wire so it’s not connected to anything,
              stripped the insulation off of one end, and asked people to touch the
              uninsulated end, and people refuse.”

              Good for them! I hope I taught a few to be as cautious. How the hell was I supposed to know that one kid had a very weak heart and a bad arrhythmia?

            • Missionary Kid

              That was the advantage of having the two leads close together. The shock doesn’t go through the heart.

            • Mooser

              “That was the advantage of having the two leads close together. The shock doesn’t go through the heart.”

              Gosh, MK, I wish we had gone to the same school. You could have saved me from a lot of trouble. How the hell was I supposed to know that this kid was gonna have a seizure? Had you been there, I’m sure you would have warned me.

            • Missionary Kid

              That was pure, dumb luck. We’d do it when the teacher wasn’t looking. We didn’t even think about seizures, etc.

              My cousins in Iowa went to a one room schoolhouse in the 50s. They still had the magneto crank phones. Occasionally, they’d take the wires off, and form a circle, split for the magneto. All the kids would join hands, with the two at the ends holding on to a wire, and another kid would operate the crank. They’d sing, “Old Mcdonald had a farm,” and when they got to the “Ei, ei, o” part, the person on the magneto would crank the hell out of it, and they’d be jumping up and down from the shock.

              Luckily, none of them had any heart problems.

            • Mooser

              Okay, MK, you are forcing me to tell this story! About that same time, I was fascinated with ‘arcs’ and ‘carbon arcs’. So I got the carbon rods out of a battery or two, hooked them up to house current, and grasped each one to bring them close enough to start an arc.
              Unfortunately, my Mom’s Playtex gloves I was wearing did not have the dielectric strength I expected, and I took 120VAC right through the chest, from hand to hand!
              A stunning, well, electrifying experience, but not one I wanted to repeat. It also killed my Mom’s Playtex living bra. I don’t remember why I was wearing that for this experiment.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re lucky you didn’t burn your hands, because after striking an arc, I believe those rods get pretty hot.

            • Narapoid

              Toss it in a urinal.

      • Mooser

        I hate them! They are the basis of the entire thing. Oh, an E-meter does measure a few things pretty accurately, in the hands of a good operator. It’ll measure just how ignorant a person is about electricity (and knowing about electricity isn’t everybody’s interest). It’ll measure a certain kind of narcissism to a nicety, and it measures credulity and passivity pretty well.
        I hate them, almost more than anything else, especially because the e-meter takes advantage of so many people, scientists, technicians, electricians, who have worked so hard to make us feel a meter, and test equipment generally can be trusted..

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes, clearly that’s what I meant, measuring the current going through the skin, not inherent to it. Jeez.

      • TDA1541A
      • Mooser

        “Yes, clearly that’s what I meant, measuring the current going through the skin, not inherent to it. Jeez”

        That’s right! And as a matter of fact, different layers of the body conduct small amounts of electricity differently. (Large amounts of current, well that’s different. Don’t grab any high-tension wires!). I wonder if the small current used in an e-meter ever even gets near the brain.

        • grundoon

          “I wonder if the small current used in an e-meter ever even gets near the brain.”

          Only if you stick the can in your ear.

          Current takes the path of least resistance – basically the shortest path. When solo auditing, it only goes through one hand.

          • Mooser

            I was discussing this exact thing with a friend of mine with well over thirty years experience in the field, electric, electronic, broadcast engineer, and he told me which layer of the body was most conductive. But I forgot.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Technically Tony’s statement is correct “Although an E-meter is a crude electronic device that measures tiny fluctuations in electrical current in a subject’s skin”

      The current passes through the skin inversely proportional resistance in the path.
      “No, the “electrical current” comes from the battery in the e-meter”
      Technically the battery provides the potential difference required for electrons to flow or the electro-motive force (voltage). Tony never said the body is the source of the voltage.

      It’s like the old saying, “It’s not the volts that kills, it’s the amps”, which is sort of true but you need one to have the other.

      • TDA1541A
        • Eivol Ekdal

          Oh that is much better!

        • Eivol Ekdal

          No Batteries required..

          • Sherbet

            And somebody is still selling that sort of hokum, to wit: “The Secret” and the “Law of Attraction.”

            • kemist

              Magical thinking is attractive as an idea, and it exploits the same basic circuits as superstition in our brains.

              It gives you an illusion of absolute control over your life as well as a way to get things with easy and nonsensical rituals rather than with hard work.

              Unfortunately, the world does not work this way, and reality will always catch you around the corner.

            • Sherbet

              And the con goes on and on.

            • PRenaud

              Yep, and somebody’s buyin it…

            • Sherbet

              Yep, and I know someone who I thought was very intelligent who not only buys into that nonsense but has an internet business where people pay her to coach them in magical thinking.

            • Mooser

              Well, I was going to read the book on “How to Pick Up Women”, but then I found out most of them weigh at least 90 lbs or more.

          • grundoon

            Why doesn’t my subconscious reveal information to me directly without a pendulum?

            Because the subconscious mind, the real YOU, uses the conscious mind only as an instrument to see, hear, feel, perceive with, and does not regard the conscious mind as being yet highly enough developed to be entrusted with too much information.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Sound familiar does it not?

        • Mooser

          “And feet cannot squeeze:”

          Don’t ever say what a woman in the throes of passion can’t do.

      • Mooser

        “Tony never said the body is the source of the voltage.”

        Of course he didn’t, never said he did. But somebody else might.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          if they do we’ll be fuckin’ ready!!!

          • Mooser

            “if they do we’ll be fuckin’ ready!!!”

            That’s the spirit! I’m with ya!

            • Eivol Ekdal

              I will hold them down and you kick them in the cans.

            • Mooser

              To paraphrase Tommy, “I know where to put the cans!”

  • pluvo

    Sympathizing with fascism? No wonder he set up the organization like a fascistic regime in which everybody with a social streak was/is getting berated as “worker oriented” and not being in step with ‘command intention’.

    “LRH: That’s why your socialist is nothing but a crab. Well for god sakes, that’s why they consider fascists so horrible. Socialists for god’s sake. There couldn’t be one of them who’s worth a damn.”

    The disdain for people who think differently is clearly showing and he is always fighting some real or imagined enemy – in this case the ‘targs’; and then the psychs, the ‘squirrels’, the ‘medicos’, the ‘SPs’, the reporters etc. – just everybody who possible could have criticized him or who he could have blamed for his condition.

    • Missionary Kid

      I believe that the disdain for people who think differently was actually for all people, since no one thinks exactly the same.

  • Sunny Sands

    I wonder what did Mary Sue’s family think of her lifestyle choices? At age 20, she had a university degree. She then travels to Kansas with a friend to take dianetics courses, then gets involved with Hubbard, a twice-divorced 40-year old father. She becomes pregnant, then married, then off to England to give birth. Always in his shadow, finally going to prison because of the Snow White investigation.

    It doesn’t sound like any of her relatives besides her children followed her into scientology, even though she was married to the founder. Sounds like a smart family.

    • Hubbard was only divorced once when he married Mary Sue. (True fact!)

      • Tony Ortega

        Ha, not true. The bigamy occurred the previous time, when he married Sara before his marriage to Polly was legally over.

        • D’oh! I don’t feel bad about being wrong because who wants to be like a baseball card savant of every detail of that fat fraud life? (Besides, I have databases to do it for me.)

          • TDA1541A

            Let’s be the better keepers of Data

            • Victoria Pandora

              I think I heard him call Sara a Targ on that tape. Obviously he was still pissed off at her. Guess he hadn’t coined the term “degraded being” yet.

              As a matter of fact, probably the only expansion one would find in $cientology these days would be bitter staff members dreaming up new ways to insult the rest of the world, and eachother.

  • Krew13

    But, but are you saying Tom Cruise was wrong when he said only a Scientologist knows what to do at a car crash? But, but he did Mission Impossible. Tom can’t be wrong.

    Can he?

    http://bloggegenscientology.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/11072013-tom-cruise-crazy-people.jpg

    • TDA1541A

      he fugly

    • Phil McKraken

      It’s true what they say. I will never un-see that crazy-ass tooth in the middle of his face.

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  • villagedianne

    A lot of Hubbard’s ideas are familiar to me because they are similar to and a re-wording of New Age/Spiritual ideas and philosophies that I have come across. But the whole Xenu story pretty much stands alone. I have never heard anything like it even in cosmologies that involve aliens playing a negative role in human affairs. I always wondered where the Xenu story came from. Hubbard is said to have raved about body thetans towards the end of his life, so at least at that point he believed it. This tape could indicate that he believed it all along, that he believed he had made a great discovery.
    I have only listened to a little of the tape. Is there any point in which he tells how he “trapped” the entity? Perhaps there was some sort of conjuring or Magick involved which he did not want to talk to his followers about?

    • Missionary Kid

      Other people here will point to a comic book that has a story of Zenu, IIRC. The hubster stole a lot of stuff.

      • villagedianne

        Maria Pia Gardini said she recognized the Xenu story from a book she had in her extensive Sci-Fi collection.

        • kemist

          That was his first audience, and I think he somewhat tailored the religious myths and philosophy to that audience.

          There’s a masters thesis I read that explains the sci-fi origins of scientology – It’s from 1982 and its title is The Transcendental Engineers.

          You can find it on Once_Born’s blog : http://scicrit.wordpress.com/other-media/academic-papers/

    • kemist

      The best way to lie convincingly is to believe your own lies at least partially / temporarily.

      But I think this also become a trap at some point. You can become trapped inside your own lies.

    • Eileen

      No, it continues the topic you have heard

    • mpl

      “I always wondered where the Xenu story came from.” Pinks n’ grays! He was HIGH.

      • villagedianne

        Maybe. But you don’t have to be high to deceive yourself.

  • Qbird

    oh dear god here is evidence of LRH’s research… again… “We got ’em… the mest universe was created by the theta universe… expanding and so forth… the Modus Operendi of which is… black stratas… or something of the
    sort… ”

    e-gag.

    Throwing out something and then building on it.

    There is something wrong in this vicinity, in Ron’s thought pool.

    You & me nottrue, you & me ~ A heck of a note, all of a sudden : bang.

  • Narapoid

    Volcano of BS. Mary Sue is star-struck and is totally getting into him and this, stream-of-consciousness dream weaving. Hubbard is hypnotizing her, rambling on and on with details about these Targs as a matter-of-fact and looking at the response of the first Wheatstone bridge-based E meter, and applying significance to it. He believes it himself (“big drop there”). It becomes OTIII, since he couldn’t get it made into a movie.

    Tony, thanks for posting this AND putting this in the timeline.

  • grundoon

    “From 1942 to 1964 William Targ worked as an editor for the World Publishing Company, eventually becoming editor-in-chief. He then moved to G.P. Putnam’s Sons where, in 1968, he bought Mario Puzo’s novel The Godfather for a $5000 advance.” – Wikipedia

    William Targ was interested in the occult, paranormal, UFOs, etc, and published some books in these areas. I wonder if he was on L. Ron Hubbard’s hate list for some reason… Maybe LRH had submitted one of his masterpieces like Excalibur to Targ and got a rejection or an insultingly low offer or – worst of all – an honest review.

    William’s son Russell Targ brushed up against the world of Scientology in the 1970s….

    Russell Targ (born April 11, 1934) is an American physicist, parapsychologist and author who is best known for his work on remote viewing. Targ originally became known for early work in lasers and laser applications. He joined Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in 1972 where he and Harold Puthoff coined the term “remote viewing” for the practice of seeking impressions about a distant or unseen target using parapsychological means….

    Targ was born in Chicago. He is the son of William Targ, an American book editor who was well known and respected in the field of commercial publishing. According to Martin Gardner Targ was introduced to the paranormal by his father whose Chicago bookstore carried a variety of paranormal works and whose later published works at Putnam included a biography of Helena Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society, and Erich von Däniken’s Chariots of the Gods. – Wikipedia

    • Elar Aitch

      Wow.

    • PRenaud

      Interesting.

    • mpl

      Hmmm! Food for thought.

    • Mooser

      Man, I’ll tell ya! Remote viewing, the action of will at a distance, the ability to control machines with your mind. And here I am, and I can’t even spit with any accuracy. I don’t think I have what it takes.

      • grundoon

        Don’t worry! I suppose, like most, you are OT enough to find a parking space. To strengthen your psychic muscles day by day, just park and repeat, park and repeat, until remote viewing becomes as easy as child’s play.

        Pro tip: Seat yourself comfortably across from the TV. Clear your mind of distracting thoughts. Take up the sigils of power: Beer in one hand, remote control in the other. Now you are ready to manifest the action of will at a distance!

        • Mooser

          “Don’t worry! I suppose, like most, you are OT enough to find a parking space.”

          Are you kidding? Why do you think I took up motorcycles?

          • Missionary Kid

            A motorcycle is the fastest way to get most of your Christmas shopping done. You can buy big items and come back for them in a car.

  • whingeybingey

    What strikes me is how young and almost childlike Mary Sue sounds. It made me feel sad for her. She really believes and trusts and looks up to this much older seasoned conman. She feels excited to be part of this – like it’s some great discovery – something revolutionary.

    • TDA1541A

      Well she came out from under his spell finally on the good ship Apollo.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        I don’t know about that. She remained loyal to him during her trial. If she’d hadn’t been such a depressingly standup gal, the scam might have been over years ago.

        • MaxSpaceman

          No doubt she could’ve brought him down and turned him into Humpty Dumpty. But- she loved him, her husband.

          • Dr_Orpheus

            Fat lot of good it did her. Still, if she had been smarter, she would have gotten a much larger share of her husband’s estate possibly even including some of the copyrights. California is a community property state which would have guaranteed her 50% of the assets even if she was completely cut out of an indisputable will. Plenty of lawyers would have eagerly taken on a contingency case with that much money involved.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Up against the psycho-sociopath DM, don’t think Mary Sue was up to staking that kind of claim and persevering. She took his house, and guards, and monthly support, and rode it out (her life).

            • Dr_Orpheus

              She was unfortunately a complete chump both to her husband and DM.

            • whingeybingey

              I think there are different kinds of smart, though. There is academically smart, which she obviously was, and common-sense smart which the tape alone… well, no more need be said!

            • Dr_Orpheus

              She certainly wasn’t street smart although you’d think twenty plus years of living with a compulsive liar would have made her a bit less naïve.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d say that she was blinded by emotion, which is far more powerful than intelligence when making decisions.

            • mpl

              Reminds me of the wife of the guy who claimed he was a Rockefeller (and
              totally wasn’t, in fact he’d been born in Germany and was a complete con
              man.) Anyway, this lady married him, and she was a smarty pants! She
              had an Ivy League education and completely supported him and their child
              as an executive at a management consulting firm. When she came to
              testify at his trial and was asked “How could you, an educated person,
              be snowed by this guy for all these years?” She basically said the same
              thing – different kinds of smart. Just because you’re book smart doesn’t
              make you wise to the ways of the world or the wiles of manipulators. See here: http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2009/01/fake_rockefeller200901

            • Missionary Kid

              It wasn’t a matter of smart. Apparently she had graduated from college at 20, someone else posted. It was all a matter of emotion, and Hubturd had her spellbound for many years.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              That’s a good point. Maybe she caved into His Oiliness over the estate because she felt he was the best person to ensure her husband’s legacy lived on.

          • mpl

            God only knows why.

            • MaxSpaceman

              And Xenu/Xemu, too.

        • Narapoid

          Behind every great (con) man…

          • whingeybingey

            Lol!

        • TDA1541A
    • MaxSpaceman

      Which turned her into his Himmler (Waffen SS) and she spearheaded the Guardian’s Office Operation Snow White and the diabolical operations carried out over a decade or more against journalist, Paulette Cooper.

      • flyonthewall

        What really pisses me off is how they did Susan Meister and her parents. Can you imagine? Your daughter is murdered and then the murderers are stalking, harasssing and threatening you? Playing games with the parents trying to get their daughter’s body back and buried properly. They removed her intestines and possibly her brain, threw her in a sack and buried her in an unmarked grave! It’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard of, EVER. I hope Mary Sue is burning in hell for that one. Makes me want to puke when indies make her out to be martyr and the Guardians Office some righteous defender of the faith, fuckers

        • MaxSpaceman

          Susan’s father: “My name is George Meister. I’m here, not because
          I’ve ever been a member of the Church of Scientology or ever will be,
          but I’m here in behalf of my daughter, Susan. And I’d like to have the
          camera get a shot of this picture, possibly. This is a picture of my
          daughter, and that’s all I have. Susan died aboard the ship, Apollo,
          June 25th, 1971, with a bullet in the middle of her forehead.”

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I just went to wikipedia to look at Mary Sue’s bio. I couldn’t find a neat, little summative statement about her or a single action that sort of summed up her life. She helped Scientology prosper. She warred with Miscavige. She was a loyal cult member. For these reasons many in the Freezone love her. For the same reasons I find her to have been dispicable (excepting that the war with Miscavige did not go on long enough). I am glad she did time. There is a bit of justice. She died at age 71 from breast cancer. I wonder if she tried to audit it out before seeing a doctor or if she ever saw a doctor.

      It is nice that you can feel sad for her, and I think that’s a good quality on your part. For me, it’s hard to really feel that.

      • whingeybingey

        I understand, Mighty Korgo. I can definitely see your point of view. I just think it’s possible to be a victim and a criminal. Indeed, most criminals are both. That is one of the great dilemmas of the justice system.

        • villagedianne

          That is one of the great dilemmas of life.

  • Dr_Orpheus

    I’d thought the OT levels started out as a cruel joke being played to test his followers’ gullibility, and Hubbard only started believing in it near the end of his life. Sounds like he believed the BS from the beginning.

  • Truthiwant

    Wow! LRH really could see in to the future…

    • Sherbet

      Truthi, what would you have thought if you had heard this tape while you were in?

      • Truthiwant

        I was contemplating that as I read the article. I am listening to the tape at this moment and am trying to understand what Hubbard was really thinking back then when he recorded it.

        The easy answer to your question is “If I had known about this tape, I would never have got involved in Scientology.”

        But I think that might be a lie.

        It is easy to look back and realize how crazy and stupid Dianetics and Scientology really is, with all the information I have read now, but back in 1985, I have a feeling I might have listened to this tape with a different approach. I might have thought that Hubbard was on a completely different level of thinking.

        I know, it’s sad, and I really don’t know what I might have thought back then.

        All I can say is this:

        If someone wants to know the truth about Scientology, that person MUST research the subject fully. Today this is very easy to do. A few clicks on the internet and anybody can get a load of information. That is very important, even if that person is going through a difficult time in his/her life. If one does this and knows the hard facts, and then goes on to listen to this recording of Hubbard, anyone can see that the man was totally psychotic.

        • Sherbet

          That’s very honest of you, Truthi. And you’re probably exactly right.

    • Eivol Ekdal
  • Sherbet

    Could lrh have been under the influence of a drug while recording this? I know he was a lunatic, but the paranoia seems to suggest a drug to me.

    • Missionary Kid

      I believe he was simply using the skills he had developed as an accomplished liar as well as the techniques he used to write his fiction. Remember that he had rolls of paper that he would type on so that he could continue to spew his writing without interruption.

      • Sherbet

        Possibly. He certainly can keep the words coming without thinking too much about what’s going to fall out of his mouth next.

        • Missionary Kid

          To Hubturd, creating lies was as natural as breathing. His minions fell under his spell, and went along. One of the advantages of having different levels to the “data” he revealed is that one becomes slowly steeped in them. When one level is accomplished, one is brainwashed and ready to accept a new level of bullshit.

          • Sherbet

            I think there has to be something missing in the people who fell for the con. I don’t mean “missing” in the sense of “missing a few brain cells.” I mean they are people who miss purpose in their lives, miss a connection with destiny or the universe, miss a sense of community or common cause with their families or friends.” I find it hard to believe that someone who’s completely satisfied in life and has a great relationship with family, friends, and himself — his “soul” — would go searching and think lrh and his legacy has the answers.

            • Missionary Kid

              Remember that the whole approach of $cientology recruiting is, “You have a problem, we have a solution.”

              In their terms, they find a person’s “ruin,” then they exploit it.

              Are you an idealist? Join us, we’ll save the world.
              Do you have problems with people? Join us, we’ll show you how to handle them.
              The list is infinite.

            • Sherbet

              I can see that “ruin” can be a positive thing, like the desire to help people. It’s admirable, but it’s also the kind of soft spot that scientology preys upon.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right. I believe that ruin, in the way that they define it is a soft spot to be used and manipulated.

            • aquaclara

              There are also all kinds of seeker types who are looking for answers and guidance. Some people are more susceptible to the woo. I’m astonished at what some of my relatives fall for. Most of it is harmless. And relatively cheap, thankfully.

              My sis-in-law waited a year to see a “spiritualist” she said came highly recommended (by whom?) to put her in touch with her husband, who had died. It was not cheap. And it was a fraud, but she fell for it. So did a lot of people…the waiting list was well over a year long, but “they took her in less time, because they could feel the husband trying to connect.”

              I mean, what do you say to someone when they think this is how it is meant to be?

            • Sherbet

              Yes, you’re right, aquaclara. And here I am, with my own personal “woo” that I follow, so nobody is exempt, not even smartypants me.

            • aquaclara

              I think we’re a little more anti-woo most of the time after all this eye-opening bs. But I do believe my dog (he’s alive, don’t worry) talks to me, and can tell what I am thinking….

            • Sherbet

              That sounds a bit Son of Sam-esque, aqua. Be careful, girl.

            • aquaclara

              No worries. He says “it’s time for a cookie.” And I am thinking, ‘yes!”
              We pretty much stick to dog food, walks (time of, frequency, and “where’s your leash?”)
              And Frisbees.
              In fact, he just heard me now.
              I love my dog.

            • Mooser

              “I love my dog.”

              I was very afraid of dogs when I was young. When I got married, a dog came with the bride, and we’ve had many since, and I love all dogs now, and don’t fear them.
              When my wife barks, however, I tremble and run!

            • Once_Born

              I had the misfortune to bring my mate home from his stag night. He was blind drunk, and I had to carry him up two flights of stairs to get him to bed. The dog wanted to help, but we had to lock her in the kitchen because she was getting under my feet.

              When I got him to bed, and his future wife started to undress him, he woke for a moment and cried out “I want my dog”. With a look of infinite pity on her face, she replied, “It’s all right dear – I’m here”.

            • Mooser

              I wish I had your problems. When I was courting my wife-to-be, her dog seemed to take it very personally, and appointed herself the guardian of her mistress’ morals. I would gather my courage for the big move, but as soon as my hand came near hers, the dog began growling. Big dog, too Chow-Lab mix.
              She also had a father and three brothers. One of them was always threatening to bite me, too.

            • Mooser

              Domestic dogs have an almost breathtaking sensitivity to people. I am sure they sense almost everything about us, starting with our moods.

            • Missionary Kid

              There is nothing harder to unconvince than someone who wants to believe.

            • Missionary Kid

              You might tell her to give a false answer or indication to the spiritualis, and see where it takes them. Of course, she’s probably so desperate to contact her late hubby that she won’t do it.

            • aquaclara

              You nailed it, MK. And she does know better. But this one….she believes. And a long waiting list further convinced her this was “real”. Oh, and what a surprise, her husband was trying to connect with her at the very same time.

              Makes me truly ill thinking about how she got taken. But you know, if I had a child that had gone missing, and leads were coming up dry, I would be the first one to call…once the search and rescue dogs were tapped out. No reason not to, right?

            • Missionary Kid

              There are two reasons I wouldn’t. 1) It costs money, which is their prime motivation. 2) If any result is even remotely accurate when the child is discovered, they’ll take credit, and that encourages the con.

            • Mooser

              “I think there has to be something missing in the people who fell for the con.”

              I think we’ve been all through this. None of us are ‘all there’ or ‘all that’ all the time. And if somebody, for any reason, has a moment of weakness, they’ve got ’em!
              I don’t like to look for any kind of common deficiency, or even think there is one.

              Not since the day I realized the truth about myself and Scientology.
              I realized that no matter how skeptical I am, no matter how logical, no matter how much I hate any kind of group, no matter how seemingly resistant I am, no matter how much was going on good in my life, they could’ve got me, and got me for quite a while.
              All they would have had to do is send out a cute girl to gather me in, and I would’ve trotted right after her.

    • OrangySky

      I just asked the same thing Sherb.

  • Sherbet

    The lunatic is on the grass
    The lunatic is on the grass
    Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
    Got to keep the loonies on the path

    Man, that sure sounds like lrh with all his faux remembering.

  • Elar Aitch

    Mike is reporting today on leaked OT committee meeting minutes showing piss weak activity…Tony has revealed the piss weak origins of the tek…another great one-two combination.

  • deanblair

    After having listened to over half of this recorded tape I can certainly see why the Church doesn’t want this tape to have broad public issue. Hubbard is indeed using the e-meter like a Ouija Board.

    • I suspect that he always used it as a Ouija board. He later got polished at pretending to use all the rules and procedures he made up for other people.

      When Quentin Hubbard was sent to cramming, Dennis Erlich described his shock and horror when Quentin said that when he was auditing, he wrote down what was “right” and paid no attention to the meter. It’s probably a good thing Quentin didn’t say “What’s the problem? That’s how dad does it” or Dennis’ head would have asploded on the spot.

      • Espiando

        I guess this may be why a lot of old-timers who were around then considered (and consider) Quentin the greatest auditor Scientology has ever produced. Q knew when to eliminate the bullshit and keep only the valid stuff, unlike his dad.

        • If only there was a way to objectively measure if something was valid or bullshit. If only there was some kind of meter…

        • Mooser

          Q knew when to eliminate the bullshit and keep only the valid stuff, unlike his dad.”

          He might very well have become a good psychologist or therapist.

  • TDA1541A

    Quentinanon at WWP:

    “If it isn’t fraud, it isn’t scientology.”

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/scientologists-buy-home-of-founder.64334/#post-2464883

  • I wonder if the Hubbard apologists will simply view this as confirmation of Hubbard’s early research rather than evidence of fraud?

  • Eileen

    I think I heard her yawn about 2/3 of the way through.

    • richelieu jr

      Might be an echo…

    • Observer

      I did too.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow! In seventh grade I had a pajama party and Ann Capuano, Betsy McGonegal, Susan Whittle and I did the same exact thing with a ouija board.. Only ours sounded much more scientific..

    • richelieu jr

      I know! It turned out you WERE thinking about Boo-bies!

  • aquaclara

    For J Swift to recall this, and then for the commenter to point out where to find this so that Tony could put today’s story together demonstrates what I love best about the Bunker. One story – many memories – people contributing what they know – takes down the walls. It’s not easy to expose all the muck, but surely we are reaching a tipping point when Tony is able to expose the very root of the pernicious fraud of Scientology in Hubbard’s own words.

    Bubbard was nothing more than a con man. Thank you to whomever it was who was holding onto this piece. Now let’s get this video in front of as many members as we can so we can end this crap for good.

  • Phil McKraken

    The ideomotor effect depends on a system in precarious physical equilibrium, such as the dowser’s rod suspended, with tension, between your hands or a Ouija doodad being pushed around by a bunch of people. Thus consciously undetectable movements can translate into noticeable effects. The unnoticeable cause of the noticeable effect of the galvanometer fluctuations is changing moisture levels on your skin, which technically speaking, are not “motor” effects, but it certainly is a system with tenuous equilibrium.

    • Mooser

      “Ouija doodad”

      I think it’s called a “plinth”?

      • Observer

        Planchette, I think

        • Mooser

          That’s right, “planchette”! A “plinth” is a base for a statue, I think, or similar.
          If only there was a book I could look these things up in!

  • Pete Griffiths

    Crazee sheeit!

    • Sherbet

      An understatement.

  • Eileen

    A question about Boston. I know the Beacon St building was sold last year, they were supposed to be out around now. But I don’t think the new building has had any renovations. Anybody know if they might just dry up and blow away?

    • Sherbet

      I think Howdy’s impression is nothing is going on there yet.

    • Eileen

      Answering my own question. Just looked at the boston redevelopment association permitting. The last filing was 10/13 and those documents were a refilling of 2002 plans. When purchased by scientology in 2004 the announcement was that the building would be 45,000 sf of scientology headquarters. The 2002 filing does not mention any headquarters but rather 38,000 sf of residential and affordable housing apartments and 7000 sf of commercial space. The BRA has no listing that construction has started. Something is not right, the dates aren’t lining up, possibly the Alexandra was sold back by scientology to an earlier developer?

      • Sherbet

        Don’t know. You might give JJ in Boston a call and see if he’s moving. 😀

      • Captain Howdy

        I tried to get a google street view for Commonwealth ave & Washington St. to no avail. I haven’t been down in that area since I switched from BMC to Mass General.

        • Eileen

          I contacted the BRA, the mayors office and a reporter who wrote an article at the time when the church bought the property. Asked for clarification since the BRA documents don’t make sense. All the BRA documents are from 2002 for apartment development. These were refilled in 2013. The reporter sounds interested.
          They are due to leave their current location soon, it would be awesome if the headquarters ended up in a garage in Worcester!

          • Captain Howdy

            Worcester would be perfect.

  • philosofa

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    an opportunity for the cult to body route new ‘raw meat’ into $cientology.

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    pay for teams of expensive lawyers to defend the indefensible.

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  • richelieu jr

    I remeùber once, my friends and brother and I was doing serious Hubbard-style ‘research into whether or not our Aunt Lou would come back from the dead to tell us secrets, but then my brother tipped over the research board because he got scared (too much Science!), so we went onto the bathroom at midnight to ‘research’ whether Bloody Mary would appear if we said her name three times whilst looking in the mirror.

    Conclusion: Bloody Mary had day off.

    Then I got a super 8 Ball research machine and asked it if this Scientology stuff was a total load of bollocks.

    “All Signs Point to Yes”

    • Sherbet

      That’s sciency enough for me, richelieu! Where do I send my money to join your religion?

      • Espiando

        Send it to:

        Church of the Divine Monopoly
        SS. George, Charles, and Edward Parker Monastery
        The Library, Colonel Mustard In, With The Candlestick
        Salem, Massachusetts 66666

        • Sherbet

          Sounds legit.

          • richelieu jr

            I guess you’d have to be chimp to pass up an offer like that, huh?

      • richelieu jr

        Paddington Station, mens washroom, third stall on the left.
        Small denominations, unmarked bills, s’il vous plaît!

        • Sherbet

          I don’t think I’m allowed in the men’s washroom, but, other than that, it’s a good plan.

    • Mooser

      You were looking for Bloody Mary in the wrong spot. I always checked my parent’s bar, and very often I found part of her in the liquor cabinet, and part of her in the fridge.

      • richelieu jr

        merde!

  • Snake Plissken

    The role playing game the old timers in the freezone like to play is pretending there was something to Hubbard’s con game early on prior to the xenu nuttery that actually worked and created Clears, when in reality it was always a batshit crazy con game and they are just idiots longing for the glory days that never existed.

    • villagedianne

      According to L. Ron Hubbard Jr., the early Clears would leave because in the process they saw what kind of person Hubbard really was. So Hubbard altered the tech in order to prevent this.

  • Xenu Was A Nihilist

    Great find!
    Hopefully this recording can be used as further evidence LRon was just a batshit crazy megalomaniac, not a god or phophet, just the Joseph Smith of the 50’s.

    • Mooser

      “just the Joseph Smith of the 50’s.”

      Well done. I tip my hat to you! Here, have a magic ‘peepstone’ I’ve been saving.

      • Xenu Ate My Baby!

        And my hat, to you!

        And now, off to find a bag so as to hold the stone, and insert my head….translation surely to follow!
        Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum….

        *South Park, a cartoon for pete’s sake, is the pinnacle of comedic & relevant social satire. Still one of my top ten shows*

        • Mooser

          Fer Gawds sake, don’t leave those Golden Plates alone for a second. Somebody could steal them!

  • kemist

    The modern equivalent of the Ouija boards, dowsing rod and emeter are used by so-called ghost hunters.

    Whenever I want to have a good laugh at stupid and gullible people who pretend they are sceptics, there is nothing like an episode of whatever edition of ghost hunters. A bunch of total maroons with their own specialized jargon who go around houses chasing the electromagnetic fields produced by its electrical system, the various thermal variations caused by air currents that they don’t understand, creaking floors and my favorite, hours of random noise that they listen to looking for something that sounds like a human voice – which, if they knew anything about the human brain, they would know is almost certain to happen.

    Cargo cult science at its best.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      …a crazy space opera story centered on the evil god HuNu. Lol.

      Edit: reply for N.Graham.

    • Captain Howdy

      L Roon and Mary Sue were hunting demons even before well known hucksters Ed and Lorraine Warren got it down to a science.

      There’s this ghost hunter/demonologist whose scam is that when people contact him with a ghost/poltergeist/demon problem he goes to their house and locates the source of the infestation. Invariably he finds that the entity is located in a valuable antique like that Tiffany lamp that grandma gave the demonically put upon home owner, and demonologist dude offers to remove the item and store it in his Museum of the Haunted. I believe his name is John Zaffis.

      • jeff

        I saw the film version of this, The Comjuring, with Patrick Wilson.

        • Captain Howdy

          Lucky you. I can’t believe I use to believe in this crap back in the 70’s. I’m still a huge horror fan though.

          • jeff

            I’ll second what Phil says above…it was a really good ghost story.

            • Captain Howdy

              Perhaps I’ll give it a shot.

        • Phil McKraken

          That was a terrific movie. Even though the real people it’s based on were hucksters, if you take it as a straight-up fictional ghost/possession story, it’s a great ride.

    • Once_Born

      There is some similarity between the psychology of ‘ghost hunters’ and the e-meter scam.

      The ghost-hunters, prepared by their beliefs, are expecting ‘strange’ things to happen when they are in a ‘haunted house’. In this state of mind, commonplace events (like creaky floorboards) assume a special meaning. Scientologists have also been prepared to expect strange things to happen during auditing – and have been persuaded that particular movements of the meter have a special meaning.

      Actually, e-meter needle movements movements are chaotic (and as meaningless as a creaky floorboard). However, when the operator sees a needle movement that confirms his preconceptions, he moves on. When he sees a movement that does not, he calls it a false read and ignores it. In other words, he ‘hears a voice’ in the random noise of the needle movements – and it says whatever he expects to hear.

      I suppose this is the reason for double-blind testing – to make it more difficult to honest investigators to see what they expect to see, instead of what is actually happening.

  • N. Graham
    • Qbird

      5 thumbs up!

      • N. Graham

        Thanks!!

    • Juicer77

      Love it 🙂

  • Snake Plissken

    He’s basically spewing random nonsense and trying to find out which parts of the nonsense he can convince himself to believe. … Big Drop

    • Phil McKraken

      It’s similar to the way a baby in the crib learns to talk — makes a bunch of goo-goo noises, and then repeats the noises that get a reaction.

  • Science Doc

    I listened to the first 4 minutes or so. It was even worse than advertised. I can understand why they don’t want to brag about this one.

    • Snake Plissken

      And Hubbard actually held on to this one, can you imagine how bad the tapes were that were too cringeworthy to keep.

      • Robert Eckert

        I think Hubbard was immune to cringing, and never threw anything away.

        • richelieu jr

          Next on Hoarders: He was a billionaire who lived in a trailer surrounded by trash and his own empty pill bottles and detritus…

    • Tony Ortega

      You need to hang in there and get to the part about the “Targs.” It’s too precious.

        • Tony Ortega

          Apparently, each of us has six space commies — three in our stomachs — who refuse to do any work because they were in labor unions back in their home universes.

          • PoisonIvyHerself

            Face palm. It’s always those damn Labor Unions, isn’t it?

            • TDA1541A

              I still can’t believe Charlie Chaplin was branded a communist by America

            • Missionary Kid

              You had to have been around then. The HUAC was running rampant, and Senator McCarthy held sway. It’s the same type of hysteria people are showing towards Muslims, IMO.

          • Science Doc

            Ah yes, commies. It wouldn’t be the early 50s without a few of those under the bed.

            • Mooser

              “Ah yes, commies. It wouldn’t be the early 50s without a few of those under the bed”

              Oddly enough, I am reading a biography of Whittaker Chambers right now. Remember him?

            • Science Doc

              Connection with Alger Hiss trial I think.

            • Mooser

              Testified against Hiss.

          • Well you already know this, but Scientologists actively discuss things like this behind closed doors as if they are normal conversation. Listening to this takes me straight back to being a teenager and standing in a group of people talking about invader forces while smoking cigarettes and eating stale cheese.

            This tape is in rare form though, even for Hubbard. There are a lot of tapes that have similar ideas on them, but they are presented as if they are well established fact. Hubbard expresses a level of uncertainty in this lecture that I’ve never heard before.

            FYI – I am back listening to it again. Small doses.

            • richelieu jr

              Aha, but it’s not a lecture, is it, Derek?
              That’s the thing– It is some sort of stunted, proto-lecture, not yet ready to be regurgitated in to the mouth of hungry, young Scientologists like your past self!

              Research! SCIENCE!

          • richelieu jr

            Listen Tony, I know I was only supposed to eat one Space Commie, but they were so delicious!

            Now I’ve got a funny tummy and I don’t feel so good.

            • Mooser

              Don’t worry, nobody can eat just one.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Tony, we in RTC are fining you $100,000 per occurance for disclosing details about the Advanced Technology: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/06/17/flag-charges-ots-100000-per-occurance-if-they-talk-about-the-ot-levels/

        • Sherbet

          I took the coward’s way out and read the transcript.

      • Snake Plissken

        The ‘Targs’ not to be confused with the ‘Tards’ who later became modern day Scientologists

        • TDA1541A

          Or hubturds

      • Qbird

        oh! Shit!! Ooookay – I’ll go back and listen to the rest. This will not be easy Tony.
        But I’ll do it…. lemme see if i can find a beer, it might help.

        • Qbird

          Beer helps – my Targ is giggling now. crash!
          Theta – entheta… wha?! A Small Drop!
          gurggaling splat, spit, yawn.
          hahaha – oh that’s it – Targ is ordering up more – burp.
          Whoops! Theta just kicked the shit outta my tummy entheta.

          oh this is excruciating – I despise that Hubbtarg idiot.

        • Captain Howdy

          It’s going to take more than A beer. I’m not even going to approach it on anything less than a pint of PJ.

          • Qbird

            I see you have received your “orders from other bodies” Howdy…
            oh yes, seyz that ol’ gasbag LRH… to his newest love… on tape, recorded for history.
            No matter how much I listen to el ron don, I don’t get where he’s coming from at all.
            Can’t make no heads nor tails of it – at all – ever – it sounds like gobbletigook gibberish…
            oh yeah, oh right… Mmmkay…
            Yet fear not my fellow prisoner!
            Know that “these are orders from Theta Beings…
            Crash… a little drop?” 22:11

            Listening to that human being that was L. Ronald Hubbard ~ really bugs me.

        • Peppermint schnapps should help. 🙂

  • Every Scientologist goes through this exact thing that Hubbard is doing, albeit in a different way. Everyone starts auditing with this: “hmm I wonder if this is real” attitude. Then your auditor says:”what are you thinking about right there”, “is there some charge on that incident”, “your needle is floating”, etc. which all somehow make you believe that whatever is going on in your head is actually real.

    On top of that all Scientologists live by the code, “whats true is true for you.” Which is taken quite literally (as I am sure everyone here knows everything Hubbard says is taken literally by Scientologists) to mean both if you believe in something then it is real, and if you don’t believe in something it is not real.

    The groupthink and electronic Ouija board in combination create the schizoid personality disorder that most Scientologists seem to suffer from.

    • Missionary Kid

      Very well put.

    • it also strikes me that, since LRH spew is so full of inconsistencies, a successful clam is one who unconsciously finds the subset which rings true for them and disregards the rest. This is then something which becomes a sword of Damocles since any later lack of progress is then caused by the clam themselves having disregarded part of the LRH spew. But, since internal inconsistencies is all there is behind the smokescreen, there is no other way to cope with being a clam, and so the trap is set and sprung.

      The victim believes themselves liberated by “what is true for you” but in fact they’re merely invited to make up their own prison.

      Unlike, say, an actual science where no-one has to take anything on faith and where questioning the basic premise leads to advance, not to being shouted at (e.g. spherical geometry springing from asking “what does he mean, two lines that do not meet?” in reference to millenium old – and still perfectly valid – knowledge).

      • joeapple212

        “spherical geometry.. still perfectly valid..”

        Spherical geometry does not account for the curvature of spacetime. On a scale of 1 meter on the Earth’s surface (or it ‘s gravitational equivalent) the calculations would be off by half the diameter of an hydrogen atom.. other than that, I agree everything you say.. yes, something may ring true, and it becomes a prison. And it doesn’t help when a clam starts learning scientologese and using lrh made-up words. This influences how they categorize things. They start re-defining the world around them.

  • A Ouija Board bought at a store cost you about $15.00. An E-Meter costs the marks $5,000. I’m not sure if “dumbass” fully encompasses the phenomena.

  • N. Graham

    So basically Elron went from the Jack Parsons magic moonchild days to the much more scientificness of the Ouija E-Meter with Mary Sue, a perfect dupe, I mean disciple, if there ever was one. I’m pretty sure Mary Sue believed everything her guru told her but I wonder, was Elron scamming her and everyone else, or did he actually believe the balderdash?

    • richelieu jr

      This is the first glimmer I’ve got that he may have indeed been drinking from his own stash of bullshit.

    • Tina

      Ouija boards (oui from the French meaning yes and Ja for yes) will attract demons who will tell you anything you want to hear, until you give them the right to use you or manifest. You are basically opening yourself up and asking for it. Exorcism? I think not. More like ringing the dinner bell. Hubbard’s means of bringing ouija technology to the masses. The demon-infested batshit crazy. So many lives ruined because of this horseshit.

      • Mooser

        My God, what kind of horrible person would trick people into letting demons attack them?
        Wait a minute, is the demon-summoning Ouija board legal? Shouldn’t it be against the law to turn people over to demons?

        • Tina

          Someone who performed blood rituals to summon them with his buddy Jack Parsons under the tutelage of his good friend Aliester Crowley. Once they have you demons give you whatever you want in exchange for what they want. For this cult, they want money, power, and the demons want the ability to inflict pain and ruin lives not to mention being able to torture him in hell. The ouija-meter is a perfect tool for that.

          Flipping a little needle around to get you trapped? Child’s play.

      • Chemtrails kills demons.

        • Mooser

          “Chemtrails kills demons.”

          Thanks. That may come in handy someday. I’ll be sure to have some around.

        • Robert Eckert

          Only in Benghazi

    • Sid_Snakey

      Listening to the recording, I had the impression that Elron was trying to impress Mary Sue with his “cleverness”. Every time there was a “drop”, Elron acted like he knew there was going to be one just there, and isn’t he oh so clever to be revealing the mysteries of the universe like this.

      As Jon Atack said, you don’t have to be either a crank or a charlatan, you can be both, and in this recording I believe you can hear this – you can hear Hubbard trying to convince himself and a disciple that this BS is real.

  • If this posting to the blog does not get that violently insane dwarf ordering his legion of lawyers to file a lawsuit for “copyright infringement” against Tony, nothing will.

    • NOLAGirl

      Poor Dave. I bet his tantrums will be nasty when the laws that protect journalists and their sources have to be read to him again.

      • I have to wonder what his endless parade of lawyers think about the detailed information being posted to this blog, about the comments, the extensive factual, verified, embarrassing information.

        None of this stuff will come out in the Cobal County deposition since it’s not relevant, yet if David is ever tagged for fraud, this is evidence that surely can be used against him — unless he says “It’s L. Ron Hubbard’s con, not mine!” or something.

    • Missionary Kid
  • A few seconds prior to the start of this transcript . . .

  • Sherbet

    Howdy, you’ll enjoy this. Seems to me you’re not a fan: http://www.aol.com/article/2014/06/17/dr-oz-scolded-at-hearing-on-weight-loss-scams/20914419/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl2|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D489627

    • Captain Howdy

      Excellent. Now where’s SPF to read this because she is a fan.

  • Victoria Pandora

    http://www.themarsrecords.com/

    YOU TOO can run out the trauma of alien power packed testicles.

    Okay, this is one woman who is carrying Rons work forward. She uses an e-meter to “clear” people. She squirrels some definitions, using the word deliverance when you run out an entity. She throws in a bit of kinesiology. Her book, which is free on PDF from 1996, details how her husband recalls seeing spaceships as a child. Since his “needle” was moving freely she knew he wasn’t lying. She ran him through some incidents, which were associated with his time in the navy. To his surprise he realizes he was on Mars in the past, and had been cloned. (1978) And when they brought him back from Mars he got put into a really difficult school for studying nuclear physics. (? did he flunk?)
    Her husband details his life on Mars, eventually admitting to her that he had a previous wife, but she died on Mars in a rock climbing accident. (Even though they were stationed on Mars to fight aliens!) Everyone needs a day off I suppose, lol.

    She eventually discovers, and I quote; “He had a phase repressor on his third eye, which causes continuing ARC BREAKS.” And the crazy just goes on and on and on.

    I won’t mention the part where the aliens place a “power pack” behind this guys testicles. I have not worked up the courage to look yet, haha.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Just happened to come across this on my latest “Mysterious Universe” podcast. They are having a good laugh at it, damn jokers and degraders;)

    Thanks Mysterious Universe, for being myst-eerily spot on with your timing today;)

    http://mysteriousuniverse.org/

    • Mooser

      “I won’t mention the part where the aliens place a “power pack” behind
      this guys testicles.”

      Ah, power packs. Sometimes you know where they are, and sometimes you just know where they tain’t.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for June 17: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #21,288 – up 1,096 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 22,881)
    Scientology: US rank #82,908 – down 2,262 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 58,410)

    Difference: 61,620 – 3,358 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 35,529)

    Lowest rank for Scientology, and biggest difference since I started monitoring on Oct. 14 2013. First time difference has been more than 60K. Also Tony’s Global rank is now higher than Scientology’s US rank.

    Clicks from Taiwan – ?% today. No number on Alexa.

    • lucille austero

      Oh {sad}. They are not the masters of the intertubes…

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        No, they are not 🙂

        • Observer

          They are, however, the masters of footbullets.

    • Missionary Kid

      Talk about a meltdown on the web! It couldn’t be a nicer present for us Bunkaroos.

      I guess there’s no need for Anonymous to do a denial of service attack. Their footbullets are doing it all by themselves. People just aren’t interested in a 1950s bullshit cosmos any more.

    • Observer

      Maybe the Taiwan org click farm blew en masse …

      • Could also be a temporary loss of connectivity from the pay-for-clicks off-shore companies to the Scientology servers however most likely it’s a DNS problem since the main distribution star hubs should tally even unsuccessful connects to Scientology.Org. It looks like a DNS registry problem or the crooks stopped paying them to click.

  • Jgg2012

    “But it never seems to occur to Scientologists that a truer measure of their skin galvanism would be through sensors attached directly to their skin. Instead, they hold “cans,” introducing the variable of grip.” I once had my body fat measured with sensors attached to my skin at a health club: 2 little magnets taped to my forearm, and someone measured the speed at which a current went through my skin. It lasted a few seconds.
    Holding cans has the variable of hard you squeeze the cans, ie stress caused by the questions.

  • Has anyone ever done an article on Mary Sue’s past or childhood? I want to know what turned her into such a spineless ball of goo that Hubbard was able to mold (Evil-Pygmalion-style) into a hardened Scientology Soulja and fall guy.

    • Jgg2012

      No, but she reminds me of Georgette Baxter, Georgia Engel’s character in Mary Tyler Moore, who marries Ted Baxter and hangs on every word he says.

    • Mooser

      “I want to know what turned her into such a spineless ball of goo”

      Well, with me, all it takes is one kiss, and boom, putty. But lately I’ve really been trying to stand up for myself.

    • There is some commentary on that in Bare-Faced Messiah and if you look at what Hubbard was selling the rubes, Mary Sue came along and was infatuated with the conman. He was “daddy with money” and professed to know everything about everything. She fell for his con hook, line, sinker, rod, reel, BTs, everything.

    • Mooser

      “Has anyone ever done an article on Mary Sue’s past or childhood?”

      Those are the people, the ones close to Hubbard, or working under him or for him, who fascinate me.

  • Jgg2012

    “Giovanni Ribisi might have been playing word games when he said he’d never heard of “aliens” in the church.” Yes, word games–he didn’t hear it in a church because Scientology is a business, not a church–he heard it inside the money-making business.

  • Mark
  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X***
    They are lurking in CL seeking and enticing in their web
    the weak, the lonely, the depressed, the sick, the idealist
    With their false promises of cures, companionship, friendship
    With dreams of a world free of war, crime, poverty and disease.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-93#post-2464814

    Ty Ap, for those who have not seen Aegerprimo latest creation …

    • Aslansown

      I think I need to attend this one: “Are You a Procrastinator?” I’m flagging CL ads when I’m supposed to be writing a cover letter for a job!!

      • Pierrot

        the job is more important the cl ads will wait for you!

        • Aslansown

          I know, but I really AM a procrastinator!! Writing a cover letter & submitting a resume is crucial, but causes me a tremendous amount of anxiety so I do things like this instead. I think I’m going to have to use one of those services that blocks certain websites during certain hourse so I won’t spend so much time in the Bunker….I evidently have no self-control! :/

          • Pierrot

            you are not alone, look around you!

            • Aslansown

              Ha! I just figure everybody else is retired or a student or something! I’m almost old enough to say I’m retired (although I’ll probably work till I’m 80 b/c I don’t have enough money), but I’m actually just unemployed!

            • Pierrot

              Go away for one or two hours, concentrate on your CV, and do NOT come back until it is done, we are all behind you, you can do it. and we wish you the best.

            • Aslansown

              OK — thanks for the push. I need someone to do that! I’m out of here for a little while…. 🙁

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Aslansown – You are certainly not alone in squandering a perfectly good hour or day on reading and responding to all the comments on Tony’s blog!

            • Aslansown

              I’m afraid it’s more than a day here or there! I was doing pretty well for a while just reading Tony’s posts, but recently I’ve gotten back into the comments and all of a sudden hours have gone by and I realize I’ve done absolutely nothing IRL. Yesterday my internet went down and I paid someone extra to come in last night rather than today….I told myself it was because I needed to get this cover letter & resume in today, but in actuality it was to watch Netflix and spend time here!

            • Robert Eckert

              I feel your pain.

            • Aslansown

              !! It’s like an addiction!

  • First Last

    what a crock of shit !!!! I can not even listen to entire recording. Can not believe that people pay for this crap to listen and follow. All I can wish and say is, God (not LRH) help those poor souls.

    • Snake Plissken

      God: I’ve got nothing, these idiots are too far gone for me to help

      http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/21/article-0-0BB9671F00000578-932_468x418.jpg

      • 0tessa

        Are these what targs look like on earth?

        • Snake Plissken

          No these are the tards

      • SOL

        Funny… I’ve never seen a foil-lined baseball cap in the Giants’ Dugout Store. Maybe the SBs had these made up special.

      • Observer

        For some reason this popped into my head … *refresh*

  • Science Doc

    Movie Pitch: How to Train Your Targ.

    • Captain Howdy

      Never go full retarg.

  • Tory Christman

    I cannot hear the video posted. Is it this one? This IS “Top Secret” now. If you’re “in” and have not done OT 3, check this out. This IS L Ron Hubbard describing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDMEt4eIqYQ&list=PLCE8A9F83684DCDCC

    • Observer

      No, the posted one is Ron and Mary Sue asking an “entity” they “captured” questions and watching the meter for answers, and apparently where he got his idea for BTs.

      • Tory Christman

        Darn, I can’t hear it. Thanks, Observer. Can you re-post the link? Maybe it will show up from another source? I’m not sure why I cannot see or hear videos posted here, but I can’t. 🙁

        • Snake Plissken
          • Tory Christman

            Thanks, Snake! That one won’t play, either. Not sure what’s going on…as I can play other YT videos. Weird.

            • Missionary Kid

              Tory, I had the same trouble the other day. I believe it’s a matter of the server that you’re connected up to. I was able to listen to it by going to a friend’s house and using their wifi.

            • Once_Born

              You Tube uses HTML5 now – the video is available in a number of file formats, one of which is likely to play in just about any browser without extra software.

              RuTube only serves video in one (obsolescent) format – Adobe Flash – and you need an add-on to play this. Consequently, you may need to update Adobe Flash Player (or install it, if you don’t already have it) http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

              (PS un-tick the free McAffe Security scan plus, if you do).

    • TDA1541A

      1952 is different from1968/69

    • Narapoid

      Tory baby, I hope you got to hear this. It is creepy and confirming of LRH’s ways. Of course it is an hour you will never get back, but it is Hubbard before he had real power.

      Take care!

  • First Last

    If I was a

    – blue and gray popping drug addict,
    – Begging US Navy for Psychiatric evaluation and treatment
    – schizomania,
    – con-artist,
    – child neglector / child kidnapper
    – polygamist,
    – alcoholic (Rum guzzler)
    – wife better
    – science fiction bullshit artist / writer
    – and much more … {please feel free to add}

    I can come up with better bat shit than this crap !!!!!

    What a waste of my time listening to this horse shit from ego-testical lying asshole !!!!

    • Science Doc

      Oh no, not a wife better.

      • First Last

        thanks SD, auto spell check … “Wife-beater”

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Not the famous Stanley undershirt?

      • TDA1541A

        He bet his wives away ?

    • Sir_Real

      Atrocious spelling, and didn’t El Ron Tub-of-Lard pop “pinks and greys”, not “blues and grays”?

      • First Last

        Yes SR, I agree that my spelling is atrocious! Damn Foreigner – as some may say 🙁
        But I guess my emotions took over my actions and I did not check my spellings.
        I hope that my message was understood.

        • Qbird

          It was. ;-D

    • Baby

      I haven’t welcomed you to the bunker First.. Curtsies.. Enjoy the ride.. You need an avatar ; ) to punch things up~

    • OrangySky

      I think you mean “wife beater” as opposed to “wife better” – though LRH may well have put his wives up as collateral in some ill-guided wagers; it would have been right in character.

  • Chris Mutny Cloutier

    research , people,,, just a look into uncovering what no one else seems to know . I give them credit for looking, I do not give any of the comments any credence. ty ron for tryin.

    • TDA1541A

      ty ron for tryin

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Not, “Thank you Ron for lyin'”?

        • TDA1541A

          trying means not succeeding, but I was tryin to start a chain of “ty ron for tryin” comments but just like ron I didn’t succeed

          • Once_Born

            Still… TY for tryin’

    • Captain Howdy

      Thank you for going full retarg.

    • lucille austero

      I am interested in your research. Have you uncovered anything?

      • Mooser

        “Have you uncovered anything?”

        Of course! He’s looking “into uncovering what no one else seems to know”.

    • Baby

      Hi ..I would love to hear what you have to say Chris. Let me grab a beer.

      • Captain Howdy

        He’s CoS all the way.

        • Baby

          Oh Yeah.. That’s why I grabbed the beer..

          • Captain Howdy

            This guy accused Theo of being in a state of Treason for criticizing GAT II..hee-haw.

            • Observer

              Oh my.

            • Espiando

              Theo’s already declared. I don’t think he gives two shits what Condition he might be in.

    • Espiando

      DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER?! DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH!?

      • Eivol Ekdal

        He’s the comma comma comma chameleon!

    • lucille austero

      Has your research involved the targs? Because they kind of worry me…

    • Observer

      I’m sorry, Chris, but everyone except a rapidly shrinking group of hardcore Ron disciples does know–we know that Ron was a liar and a con who didn’t care about anyone but himself, but was good at convincing people he did while taking their money. I hope you see it soon too.

    • Captain Howdy

      So, Mr. Proud Scientologist give me a heads up when the confronting & shattering of our suppression is about to begin so I can prepare for the fun.

      Or are you a coward like all the rest?

      • Espiando

        Coward like all the rest. I fear this may be a Drive-By Shatter and Confront. Seems like an “effective blow” A To E step. Or he’s just a retard, take your pick.

        • lucille austero

          Shoot – I just made popcorn.

          • MrsLurksALot

            I always read your comments in Liza Minelli’s voice.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Doesn’t that hurt a bit?

            • MrsLurksALot

              I’ve had training, no worries.

            • Sherbet

              I do, too.

    • Qbird

      Chris. I have researched some. I have.

      “ty ron for tryin.” What do you thank him for Chris? What?!

      For tryin’ to sell the world (and you?) on his ideas about the known ‘verse?
      This guy? ron? His head case. His thought system. His words. His vision.
      He really did try to uncover what is unknown… to do so he messed about in the neither regions of his mind…
      and others minds as well. He self proclaims he knows the secret, he has the answers… BUT… you gotta buy it from him. You gotta pay to get this kind of enlightenment. What have you paid?
      Do you pay the COS with your life?

      Did you listen to the tape of his session with MSH all the way through?
      Do you really buy this?

      I do not.
      My opinion is that this man, LRH, throughout his entire life, made things up in order to make his living, both before and after writing Dianectics. And, he delighted in hypnotizing a whole lot of people in order to have all the mest he could manage. He managed well. David Miscavige manages well too btw.

      I do give your comment credence, here and now.
      I do give you credit for posting here.
      Thank you for that.
      I wish you well.

      • Mooser

        “this man, LRH,”

        Yes, “this man, LRH” for sure. But think about it, how long was it before people were getting sucked into Scientology not because LRH told them how great it was, and worked his magic on them, but because other people were telling them how great LRH (and his works) are?

        I mean, it was really only a short period when LRH was accessible to ordinary Scientologists, wasn’t it?. After that, it was all other people telling you how great LRH is. That’s what fascinates me.

    • Mooser

      “research”

      ROTFLMSJAO! Research!

    • Credit for looking at what? Themselves? Their own imaginings. Fine, if it had stayed “in the bedroom” or between the covers of a novel.

    • Well, Timothy Lery got totally wasted on drugs as research, but Hubbard did it because he was absolutely insane, screaming insane, literally the guy thought he was infested with invisible aliens. Even Timothy in the height of his worse drug-induced hallucinations never thought they were real.