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Federal judge again declines to intervene for Ken Dandar, but leaves a door open

Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington

Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington

Once again, Federal District Judge Virginia M. Hernandez Covington has declined to intervene on behalf of Florida attorney Ken Dandar after he was hit by a $1 million judgment in state court awarded to the Church of Scientology.

Dandar had alleged that the $1 million judgment would not only ruin him, but that it was the result of a conspiracy by Scientology that had corrupted local courts in the Clearwater area, where one of Scientology’s headquarters is located.

Covington previously had denied Dandar’s request that the federal court intervene, but he had appealed, and an appellate court had asked Covington to reconsider his lawsuit in light of a recent decision by the U.S. Supreme Court.

But after a May 19 hearing, and after taking the new case law under consideration, Covington again found last week that Dandar has not argued a sufficient reason for her to stop what the state court is doing. We have her lengthy and detailed order, below.

Why a state court in Florida has asked a private attorney to pay the Church of Scientology a $1 million penalty is itself a very complex legal narrative that we’ve explained numerous times in previous stories. In a nutshell, Dandar had represented in state court the family of a Scientologist, Lisa McPherson, who had died under Scientology care in 1995. At the end of that wrongful death lawsuit, in 2004, Dandar signed a global settlement that required the parties to promise that they would never again sue the church.

But five years later, in 2009, Dandar sued Scientology again, this time in federal court and on behalf of a new client, Victoria Britton, over the death of her son, Kyle Brennan. Scientology went back to the state court that had overseen the mediation and settlement of the McPherson case, complaining that Dandar was in violation of the agreement which had required him never to sue the church again. Dandar has argued that he only signed that settlement as an attorney, not a party, and that he never personally promised never to sue Scientology in the future.

The state court didn’t agree, and ordered Dandar to stop representing Britton under threat of sanctions. In a strange twist, however, the federal judge in the Britton lawsuit ordered Dandar not to give up the case until he could find a replacement. What then ensued was a bizarre tug of war between state and federal judges until Dandar was finally able to find a replacement and dropped out of Britton’s suit. (After Dandar’s departure, Britton’s suit was ultimately dismissed for lack of evidence.)

Scientology pushed for sanctions against Dandar for violating the mediation agreement, and retired state judge Crockett Farnell agreed, hitting Dandar ultimately with a $1 million penalty. (Dandar is appealing that decision.)

Now, Federal District Judge Virginia Covington has denied Dandar’s request for injunctive relief against the state court on the basis that his civil rights are being violated.

However, Dandar himself tells us that he’s still hopeful. Covington may have denied his requests of injunctive relief, but she didn’t grant Scientology’s motion to dismiss his request for damages. She merely stayed that request until the state case is completed.

“She denied their motion to dismiss. That’s huge. She recognizes the federal rights in this case, but she’s reluctant to interfere with the state courts,” Dandar told us yesterday by telephone.

And Dandar tells us there’s another reason why he’s still hopeful. Previously, he had asked the Florida Supreme Court for a “writ of prohibition” — one of our legal experts tells us it would enable the higher court to stop what the local court is doing. Initially, the state Supreme Court assigned Dandar’s request to an appellate court, which denied it.

But now, Dandar tells us, the state Supreme Court itself is suddenly showing interest in his request, which our legal expert confirmed.

“As of Friday, the Florida Supreme Court issued a demand to the Church of Scientology to file a response to the writ of prohibition by June 4,” Dandar tells us. “That raises my hopes that someone is paying attention up there.”

As for Covington’s order, Dandar tells us he’ll be filing a request for the judge to reconsider her decision. Covington is clear that she won’t stop the state courts with an injunction, but Dandar explains that it’s Scientology he wants her to enjoin. If she still disagrees with him, Dandar says he’ll appeal her decision.

“I don’t give up until there’s no place else to go. I’m not going to go away,” he says.

We asked our legal expert for some thoughts about Covington’s order.

“She wrote a very careful brief and it’s clear she doesn’t want to be overturned on appeal,” our expert told us. “I think the church may be shocked that she kept the civil rights damages portion of the case alive.”

Here’s the judge’s order…

 

Dandar v. Scientology: Judge Covington order

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 3, 2014 at 07:00

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  • 1subgenius

    She’s flaky.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      That high school hairdo has rooted itself into her brain.

      • 1subgenius

        You nailed it.
        Its just so unprofessional.
        Like one of those “Glamor” pose photo stores at the mall (Do they still have those? Are there still malls?)

        • mirele

          Hey, up until last year I had long hair like Her Honor. I had to argue with my father that long hair on a woman was unprofessional. I think her hair looks nice. If my hair looked like that, I might not have whacked it off.

          Don’t criticize Her Honor’s hair, criticize her judicial opinions. Thank you.

    • AmoVolare

      She could be perfect in a Sunday Funnies fliers….

      • 1subgenius

        Yeah, that’s some throwback shit, there.
        Protip: if you have a small head, don’t have a long wavy hair-do. It just makes things worse.

    • She might be timid, unwilling to fall prey to Scientology’s Fair Game racketeering against herself if she bothered to do any research in to Scientology’s history.

  • media_lush

    …. trying to figure this out makes my head hurt…. anyway of getting this case shifted to Judge Judy?

  • Espiando

    This is actually a sea change. It used to be that judges were afraid of tangling with Scientology because they were litigious bastards with the morals and mindset of a pitbull on meth. Now they’re afraid that they’ll be overruled on appeal (we’ve seen this with the Virgin Queen up there and also with Judge Ricky Gervais and his carefully-worded opinions). The fear of the cult is gone. This bodes well for Hambo, Laura D, and the Garcias.

    Our Sharks With Frickin’ Laser Beams are the best.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      “has the morals and mindset of a pitbull on meth” Must go on the list of “things said about scn”

    • Barbara Angel

      Hahahahaha Pitbull on meth conjures up a terrific image. Thanks for the chuckles.

      • joan nieman

        Espiando always takes it a step up!

  • I wish Ken Dandar all the best of luck in his effort to obtain justice – something that seems to become a little too elusive as long as the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology continues to abuse the leeway built into the court system to protect reasonable parties. (A great example was the dozens and dozens of lawyers arguing that one woman suing the Co$ was somehow a clear-cut case of a case of a lone victim – the multi-billion dollar asset Co$ – being harassed and losing its right to free speech and so used an anti-SLAPP motion to dismiss…)

    “The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win [1]” may be religious dogma to the Co$, but to the rest of us it appears difficult to distinguish from the behaviour of a vexatious litigant.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_%28Scientology%29

    • DodoTheLaser

      Perfect description, Jens.

  • AmoVolare

    Not full understanding the whole damn thing (quite complicated eh?), I feel grrrrr……
    Non sympathy for this Judge by my side

  • Pepsicat

    I was still in when the cherch settled the McPhearson case. They told us that Dandar had broken down crying realizing the harm he had done to this wonderful cherch, that he didn’t know what great works we were doing for mankind and that he was now “on our side.” Hmmph!

    • TheCat’sKnees

      What? Who told you that? Was it just natter/gossip, or was there some sort of briefing when it was over that everyone got?

      • Pepsicat

        By that time, I was skipping out on “briefings.” They always ended up those “briefings” with, “Now give me your fricken money.” To be honest, I can’t remember but I think my kids told me that, who were briefed as SO members. Even as dedicated as I was, I took this information with a grain of salt. You always do – take things with a grain of salt. Before long, the salt piles up….

        • TheCat’sKnees

          Wow. Just wow. No words for how many boldface lies can be told.

          • Pepsicat

            Yeah, I’m starting to remember more details about this. It had something to do with a partner…or someone who was financially backing Dandar – they said he was the driving force behind the lawsuit and that Dandar was just his puppet.

            • TheCat’sKnees

              Maybe they meant Bob Minton? Or do you think it might have referred to a law partner or something?

              Very interesting – anything you can remember adds to the entire picture!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Yeah, they managed to bust Minton for some irregularities and celebrated it.
              Like it changed the fact that Lisa McPherson died of their neglect. It didn’t.
              Bob Minton is dead now too (RIP), but Ken Dandar is very much alive.

            • chukicita

              Hm. Bob Minton, maybe?
              Pepsicat, thanks for your perspective. It’s always fascinating to find out what those inside were being told at the time!

    • The insane crooks were saying a lot of freakishly bizarre things to their customers when Robert Minton was working to destroy/reform/curtail them, including telling their customers that Minton and Brooks were “outworlders.”

      Utter insanity. The brain of common criminals.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Let’s show Ken Dandar some love and any support we can give.
    This whole ordeal can’t be easy on him. Pray for the true justice.

    • D.Y.G.

      There’s no doubt he was a brave guy taking on the cult before it became fashionable and lulzy.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Indeed. Ken’s positive outlook makes me happy.
        I don’t know him personally, but I know he is a wonderful human being.
        And that’s all I need to know.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Turn it all the way up for Ken and real justice!

          Rage Against The Machine – Bulls on Parade

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L4YrGaR8E4

          • And Now for Something Completely Different
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7u5dc10Suc

            • DodoTheLaser

              No.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            RATM is better than coffee. It’s a great way to start the day.

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            i have seen rage in concert 5 times. there is no show like theirs…the raw and unbridled energy and passion. it is impossible to describe. their reunion was like a present from santa on christmas morning to me when i was a child 🙂

            • DodoTheLaser

              Nice!

    • shasha40

      Mr. Dnader , you give me Hopejust by refusing to give up , nor give in to tiny dick and his minions. I’m a never-in , but I am human and have compasion for my fellow human beings . The force Is with you , as are we , for the next Billion years !!! Thank you , Ken !!! Tick, tock Davey , eyes are opening ….

    • joan nieman

      I’m with you on that wish Dodo. Let truth and goodness prevail.

    • MrsShark

      “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.” – Ghandi on his reflection of the Nazis and WWII
      In other words, Chin Up – Co$ can’t last forever.

    • TDA1541A
    • Damian DeWitt

      Ken Dandar is rightly considered a hero for his work on the Lisa McPherson wrongful death suit and for representing Victoria Britton in Kyle Brennan’s suit when no other lawyer in Tampa-Clearwater would take the case after they found out the defendants were Scientologists.

      When Judge Stehen Merryday dismissed Kyle’s suit in early December 2012 he let Ken off the hook for the $1MM but left Victoria dangling. Scientology then came after her filing a claim for the million dollarws right before Christmas. It wasn’t until January that Merryday let her off the hook. And now Scientology is pursuing another path to go after Ken.

      More and more people are coming to believe that Kyle’s death was not a suicide. There is no suicide note; Kyle’s finger prints are not found on the gun or ammunition found at the scene. There is no evidence of gun powder residue on Kyle’s hands since investigating detective Stephen Bohling blocked processing of the swabs taken from Kyle’s hands.

      Suicides usually kill themselves while sitting or lying down and fire a gun flush up against the head. Medical examiners stated Kyle was shot standing up. Forensics indicate that the gun shot was fired several inches from Kyle’s head. The trajectory of the bullet was not horizontal but passed from the upper right to the lower left side of the head.

      If Kyle’s death was not a suicide it was a homicide, and this has momentous implications. This could only be a death ordered by David Miscavige and planned, executed, and covered up by OSA. He certainly wouldn’t have entrusted the operation to bunglers like his twin sister Denise, her husband, and Kyle’s father Tom Brennan.

      On the night of Kyle’s death Tom Brennan arrived at his apartment at 10:30 pm and did not call 911 until an hour and a half latter. According to their depositions Denise and her husband were also at the apartment at least forty minutes before Brennan called 911.

      Victoria is publishing a great deal of information at her blog The Truth For Kyle Brennan, backed up by excerpts from depositions and correspondence that has previously not been made public.

      Victoria deserves our support as she seeks justice for Kyle. She may be the woman who brings down David Miscavige.

      Ken likewise deserves our continuing support as he fights Scientology’s attempt to destroy him.

  • Krew13

    Is Covington a Sciloon tool?

    • Espiando

      No, just a normal tool.

      • TDA1541A

        Operating Tool level 8

  • D.Y.G.

    I’ve never understood if Ken Dandar signed the settlement believing it didn’t apply to him or whether he thought he could challenge it later.

    • it appears it was basically neither—he signed it as council, as attorneys do, representing his clients…..that’s what i’m taking from it…..

    • chukicita

      If i were an attorney asked to sign a settlement paper on behalf of my clients, I would believe I was signing as counsel and not believe I would have to personally adhere to the rules of the settlement, but that those rules would apply to my client. What the hell was Dandar supposed to get out of it, by abstaining from making a living?

  • aquaclara

    I wish Ken Dandar much success in his case. He took on cases against the cult, something that many attorneys won’t come near, and on behalf of those who died at the hands of this merciless,heartless and corrupt church.

    Lawyers are not supposed to become victims, too.

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    In the meantime, it would seem right and just if Ken Dandar could work as a paralegal or in some way assist Ryan Hamilton.

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    It sounds to me like the Florida Supreme Court has had enough of this ridiculous catch-22 and is considering putting an end to it. Courts indeed have better things to do than keeping this nonsense alive.

  • Observer

    All I can think is “high school senior picture.”

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      … from the 90s.

    • Elar Aitch

      I thought it was just me! Did someone say ‘bangs’?

      • Elar Aitch

    • KNMF

      looks like that kid from Vacation and Breakfast Club movies.

      • Observer

        If she’s as young as she looks she must be brilliant to have attained a federal judgeship at such an age.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I think it must be an old photo taken while she was at judge camp.

          • DodoTheLaser

            No, you didn’t.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I didn’t what?

            • DodoTheLaser

              Go to your room, Jimmy. 🙂

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You not my mommy Dodo!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Fine!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Mom, she is touching me. Make her stop. MOM!!!!

            • shasha40

              She started it , Mom , she touched me first !!!

            • Minion Gayle

              I think to be technically accurate, you have to say “You’re not my REAL Mommy, Dodo!” I seem to recall yelling something along those lines to my Dad when I was about 10 and in trouble.

            • Jimmy Threetimes
            • Captain Howdy

              Greaaat, now I’m going walking around for gawd knows how long saying “not the mama!”

            • Robert Eckert

              You said “You’re not my REAL Mommy” to your Dad?

            • Minion Gayle

              Yes. And he wasn’t. So there! 😉

          • Barbara Angel

            Oh so its her? My bad I thought it was mustravage before he became a twisted psychopath. Must be something about the wavy hair?

  • Ruby Grapefruit

    This legal shit is way over my citrusy head, but Ken Dandar should pray to his angels for protection.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Covington’s a wuss.. I hope her decision haunts her while she’s brushing her lovely long hair with 100 strokes tonight..

  • Hyder Simpson

    RED X RED X RED X

    Rip and I want to thank y’all for the warm welcome last Saturday and in appreciation we went hunting this morning and brought you back a passel of new blues. We found those Orange County folks to be particularly obnoxious, offering to tutor the young’uns, repair the relationship with the missus, rid our bodies of drug residues as well as aches and pains; educate us about depression and teach us how to deal with our irrational anger. Well, our anger ain’t irrational and we know exactly how to deal with it: FLAG ‘EM!

    Oh, and in SFBay they want to teach us how “to investigate and get down to the truth of a situation”

    ty Baby and AP for the graphic

  • Shanester

    Gah! The kerning in that document is torture to read! What’s up with the Tampa Division?

    • Mark

      Silly sods used a non-proportional font.

      • Tony Ortega

        Thing is, it looks good on my PDF — I think the fault is with Scribd, not the court.

        • Mark

          Odd, that. (I just wish Scribd would stop sending me unwanted subscription emails every time I so much as look at their website).

        • coonellie

          Usually that happens when the font(s) in the PDF is resident on your computer, but not embedded in the PDF. Once uploaded where the font is not accessible, it’ll render in whatever font has been chosen as default, creating the mess. It is possible to resave PDFs and embed fonts before uploading…if you have Acrobat Pro.

  • chukicita

    The judge’s job is not to ride to Dandar’s rescue but to make sure the law is upheld. I’m sure she is not unaware of what is going on here – as Dandar said, she *denied Scn’s motion to dismiss* and that IS huge.

    So can we please stop the misogynistic ad hominem on the judge?

    • DodoTheLaser

      I agree and hope that’s the case.

    • loulai

      Still-On-Your Side-offered an opinion on the case. How is that a “misogynistic ad hominem on the judge”?

    • Sunny Sands

      Interesting how many hair comments on this female judge, few on Judge Waldrip’s unique facial hair.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        What a misandristic comment! Leave Dib out of this!

      • Elar Aitch

        There were plenty of Colonel Sanders and Ricky Gervais comparisons

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          That is right! I prefer to make fun of everyone. I am gender and race neutral in my mocking.

          • AmoVolare

            Great!
            Dumb and smart are in every group (male-females, black-white-asian-whatever, south-north even able-disable) but for some reason you cant make fun of some groups.
            The exat contrary of the ditto: a stupid poor man is a stupid, a stupid rich man is a rich!

          • shasha40

            We are equal opportunity jokesters , if the opportunity comes up we’ll rag on ya ! No discrimination or favoritism here , OK , we do love to rag on tiny dick just a little more …

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Damn straight!

            • joan nieman

              We like to stoke up the fire every now and then.

          • KNMF

            but…

    • joan nieman

      You are right chukicita. It is only the beginning…” and I have promises to keep and miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep”.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Imagine a situation where Narconon offered each plaintiff a huge financial settlement with the requirement that Ryan Hamilton never sue them again. That would make Hamilton a party to the case and he would have a conflict of interest with his client, i.e., his client would want to accept the settlement leaving Hamilton in the position of fighting his own client so he can continue bringing lawsuits on behalf of other victims of Narcon.

    This is the scenario Dandar has been fighting. Regardless of whether Dandar personally signed the McPherson settlement agreement, many state bar associations would find the agreement to be unenforceable against Dandar, the lawyer for the plaintiff. Some court in Florida has to eventually wake up and realize the McPherson settlement agreement should not have been enforced against Dandar because it is against public policy.

    • ze moo

      I don’t see how the clams can get a judgment against Dandar. The ‘no-complete’ clauses are almost always ‘against public policy’ and therefore null. The lower state court has done nothing but serve the clampire, what’s up with that?

      • Barbara Angel

        The most likely scenario is Dirty Laundry…Fair Game?
        Perhaps they’ve got Judge whatsherface by the short and curlys?
        co$ is prepared to stoop to any low to get what they want.
        One thing they didn’t bargain for is that this is just another foot bullet as it brings them more publicity around their behavior and lawsuits.

      • Tory Christman

        Key word: “Almost”………….time shall tell. They’re pretty sick in how far they’ll go to get their way. I know, I spent days in court with them, from both sides (Did it when “in”, and had to go once “out”). I WON the case, despite their very expensive attorneys and OSA going nutz. We’ll see on this….Stay strong, prepare for the worst, count on the best. It should fall somewhere between those. 🙂

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Enforcing contempt charges after Dandar complied with the court order also is puzzling. No judge wants to be the one that turns this mess around.

    • That’s just it. Ryan is not suing the crooks, his clients are.

  • Anonymous

    My two cents: never settle if you want more.

    • Mooser

      I’d certainly want more than two cents. You should appeal.

  • Anonymous

    She has great hair…

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Especially those hot bangs.

      • 1subgenius

        More like an explosion, than bangs.
        Which way is it going?

      • Sejanus

        OK it has to be said..

        she bangs, she bangs
        she rules, she rules….lol

        no not THAT way….lol

  • California

    Dandar has been a careful and persistent attorney for decades. When (not, if) he prevails, it will be a win against scientology’s influence on the some of the court systems in Florida.

    On another note here in California: George Wynns, husband of SFUSD Board of Education member Jill Wynns and the first scn’er (but not the last) to threaten me way back in 2002, has taken down his cookie cutter page.

    George and Jill had been friends for many years when I stumbled upon narconon drug education in the SFUSD, brought in by Jill in 1991(we know now), supported by the late corrupt and disgraced superintendent Arlene Ackerman, friend of scn’er John Danielson (former Chief of Staff to Sec’y of Education Rod Paige, a Bush appointee, and her head of the Student Health Service, Trish Bascom, arrested last year on 94 counts of corruption and fraud of the SFUSD.

    George’s threats to me were handled by the SF PD and it was the beginning of a very steep learning curve for me about scn. He had been in since 1967/68. I do not know if he is out OR if this is a political maneuver to assist his wife.

    Now it would be nice to have head of the svn org/OSA Jeff Quiros and second-in-command OSA Karen deLise to wake up, leave and turn state’s evidence……. the F.B.I. phone number is available, you two.

  • Just Dee

    Pardon my ignorance, I am sure it’s been asked/answered before. I was using google to look for a copy of the original agreement that Dandar signed. Is it confidential? Couldn’t find anything using google, other than it’s a confidential agreement. But, if this is being brought up in a lawsuit, shouldn’t there be a copy of the agreement? I am sure if it was allowed to be published, Tony has it somewhere. I am not a google expert and would love to read it if it was ever published.

    • Tony Ortega

      It was included in a previous document we posted. I’ll look around to see if I can just pull out that paragraph.

      • Just Dee

        Thank you, Tony! Thanks to your site, I am fascinated & somewhat addicted to all court cases involving scientology.

  • TheCommodeDoor

    I don’t have anything to add to this story. However, the gold mountain bike just resurfaced on Facebook thanks to “Freshness” http://freshn.es/1ktiiF7. Once again, the majority of the profits are slated to go to “The Way to Happiness” organization. You might be inclined to leave comment. Also, TWtH Glendale, has a Yelp page: http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-way-to-happiness-foundation-glendale. Narcinon is also reviewed (favorably – so far) on Yelp.

  • Science Doc

    I know I’m too old when I see a photo of a female federal judge and I want to take her to her prom.

    • Mooser

      I know I’m too old when I look at a hot Federal Judgette and think “I wonder if she can get my convictions reversed?”

    • 1subgenius

      No, you’re too old when your eyesight is so poor that she looks attractive.

  • Sejanus

    OK, I for one never thought I would ever say this…

    That Federal judge is pretty hot.

    • 1subgenius

      Huh?

    • TDA1541A

      Maybe she’s just your type

      • Sejanus

        Yep…female…lol

  • Mark

    Judge Virginia – on probation? (refresh):

    • TDA1541A

      Your dad Marty Feldman called

  • Elar Aitch
  • Tony Ortega

    Like many judges, Covington has been careful not to allow many photographs of herself online. This was the least unflattering one I could find. What’s clear from her order, however, is that she puts together a thorough and cogent analysis of the law. Dandar’s conspiracy accusations are really reaching in parts of his original complaint. Covington has generally refrained from hammering him on that and instead has stuck very closely to interpreting the federal law she is asked to analyze.

    For those who don’t like seeing Scientology win a $1 mlllion judgment against an attorney just trying to do his job, this is a frustrating legal morass. But Covington’s role has been limited and, as far as we can tell, conscientious.

    Before you lob another attack at her appearance, please consider how much that plays into the stereotype of men disrespecting women in positions of responsibility. It’s not a good look.

    The Proprietor.

    PS: The court order looks fine on my PDF. For some reason Scribd has turned it into a mess. Again, not something that was Covington’s fault.

    • Observer

      This is a very flattering photo, imo. She certainly shatters the stereotype of the stuffed-shirt good ol’ boy southern legal eagle. Her personal style may not project strait-laced legal gravitas, but the fact that she earned this position speaks volumes about her ability.

      • Elar Aitch

        Yeah – hope I look like that at 59

      • shasha40

        I didn’t even think about what she looks like , first thought was , ” I hope this Judge is shrewd !” . Our legal system is such a mess ! It’s just a who can bullshit who ,the best at the time, not about justice ….

        • Barbara Angel

          Any Judge who rules in favour of co$ is head of my shit list.
          Clearly she is ignorant of the co$ history of serial litigation.

          • Tony Ortega

            She didn’t rule “in favor of” Scientology. She ruled that federal law didn’t give her the right to interfere with something a state court in Florida is doing, given the facts.

            • Barbara Angel

              Yes she’s doing the right thing legally, just a bit hard to accept when this shockingly monstrous organisation has any type of win, large or small. Mr Tony as you well know this whole hideous co$ thing has been going on and on and on for decades. The only little thing I can do about it is flag away and have a laugh or a vent. Love, love all your hard work, so thank you so very much and for your fairness.

            • ShoopZ

              “Yes she’s doing the right thing legally”

              She’s doing the right thing, period. Criminals or members of “despised” groups should be treated as impartially as is possible. It’d be like some judge in Podunk going easy on a gay-bashing murderer because he or she felt the victim deserved it. Which, in my opinion, is the real reason for enacting hate-crime laws.

            • Barbara Angel

              I hear you, anything respecting co$ and *it’s rights* is the reason it has been allowed to flourish in all it’s criminality for decades. Yet due to those same *rights* hundreds of thousands of people have been harmed, damaged, bankrupted, died, used and abused etc, so it’s a bit hard to accept but accept it we must.

            • ShoopZ

              She may see it as respecting the “rights” of the citizens of Florida (as represented by state court rulings).

            • Barbara Angel

              Yep, but over the years the justice system and authorities have managed to skim over all the rights of the people co$ has damaged. But as I said “accept it we must” even if they get to destroy the career of a good man. Another one will probably bite the dust and co$ and mustravage dance with joy.

            • ShoopZ

              Two quotes from Tony’s piece are important to consider:

              “She denied their motion to dismiss. That’s huge.”

              “She wrote a very careful brief and it’s clear she doesn’t want to be overturned on appeal. I think the church may be shocked that she kept the civil rights damages portion of the case alive.”

              If she were to make a ruling based on negative opinion of the cult, it’d be just that much easier for Scilon lawyers to get her ruling overturned.

            • philosofa

              I agree. IANL and US law is different to UK law but it seems to me she has done well within the constraints she had to work with. If the cult regard this as a ‘win’ I believe that would be extremely short sighted of them. It may well be yet another Phyrhic victory for the cof$ that will cost them dear in the end. This is not over yet.

            • joan nieman

              That is correct.

            • Jgg2012

              Yes, regardless of what the FL courts do, he can claim compensatory damages for his lost time, and punitive damages–and he can still depose Davey.

            • Barbara Angel

              But you know how co$ love to fight and drag these lawsuits on, sometimes for decades. Meanwhile he has bills to pay and a life to lead.
              Sometimes really good people like this guy end up being the sacrificial lamb.
              Fortunately with Alllllllll the lawsuits now in progress and the fact that these days the internet is such a Powerful Tool in bringing co$ atrocities to light, davey may decide he can’t handle so *many* suits at once and the fact that are now less victims, he won’t be wanting to use his stash of $$$$$ to keep stalling for decades. We can but hope.

            • Jgg2012

              BA, Davey will do anything to not be deposed, even if it means offering a million dollars as a settlement. Who cares if the rest of the suit vs. the corporation drags on for years. Dandar knew what he was doing in adding Davey to the lawsuit.

            • Barbara Angel

              Yep, plus just guessing that each time davey gets added, he would poop in his undies and then turn apoplectic with rage. How your blood pressure davey?

            • Barbara Angel

              I hear you: “accept it we must”. Hopefully one day Sooooon…….. the *rights* of the destroyed will be given equal value in Court.
              Edit: the sooner the better, as it’s Still happening as we speak. Those poor rondroids deserve to be heard, but then again, a lot of them may not be ready to admit they have been so badly conned. So Very Sad.

            • joan nieman

              You have a valid opinion Barbara but we are all looking for instant gratification. No matter what new road blocks come up, we may have to take the detour and it will take a little longer. We will, however, eventually get to our destination if the car is in good working order.

            • Barbara Angel

              Yes joan, any delay in seeing co$ exposed for what they really are and shut down is way too long. I need to be *patient*.

            • Jgg2012

              Right. You don.t want Co$ to say “this judge was biased.” She’s following the law.

        • joan nieman

          It is a common occurrence for people to voice an opinion spontaneously if we think we or someone else is being wronged. We are passionate and instinctively want to attack before we know the facts, the protocol and the law. Dander may have already suspected this outcome and have a strategy to obtain victory further down the line. The delay in the case may be a positive we just can’t see yet. Let’s ride the waves.

          • shasha40

            I hear ya, but CO$ has been sailing too long on waves of abuse ,harrassment , disruption of families and their numerous other crimes for far too long , I’m ready for their wave to crash aleady .

      • 1subgenius

        “Her personal style may not project strait-laced legal gravitas…” but that is my point, as explained above. Gravitas is very important in the law.

        And, I would not assume that she “earned” the position. She is a political appointee.
        Did Clarence Thomas earn his position? He’s hardly qualified to be an attorney.
        It is said here that a circuit judge is a friend of a governor.

        • Observer

          I base my opinions on the actions of an individual, not politics, religion or absence thereof, appearances, friendships or sometimes even words. According to people who know more than I about this, this was a careful, well written ruling.

          • 1subgenius

            I’m not disputing that.
            If she came out and announced her decision in a clown suit, it wouldn’t affect the merit of the decision, but would have an effect on the weight given to it.
            But I have explained my position elsewhere, and that’s about I can say on the subject.

            • Observer

              I think I would pay good money to see a judge deliver a ruling in a clown suit.

            • 1subgenius

              LOL. Me too.

            • shasha40

              Me three !!!lol

            • Captain Howdy

              When Jello Biafra (Dead Kennedys) ran for Mayor of S.F he said if elected he would make downtown businessmen wear clown suits between the hours of 9-5. He got twenty thousand votes.

            • Observer

              Now that’s a platform I can support!

            • 1subgenius

              That’s outrageous.
              Now if they had to wear their underwear on the outside, okay.

            • Sherbet

              There seem to be more fans of clown suits than there are adherents to scientology.

            • Captain Howdy

              Ssssh..we don’t want Bury to hear. She suffers from PCD aka Preteen Clown Disorder.

            • Sherbet

              I forgot. Woops!

            • KNMF

              As a guy who’s done business downtown I’d be in favor of that, if somebody other than myself bought the clown suits and paid for the dry-cleaning.

            • Once_Born

              The small Cornish town of Dawlish organises a charity air show every year. Everything from a Spitfire to a Eurofighter have appeared (when that machine lights up its afterburner it sounds like the voice of God).

              When I was there a few years ago, a team of men in clown suits (and make-up) passed through the crowds with buckets, and collected money.

              When the show was over, my friend and I went to a small pub – which turned out to be the place all of the clowns were also having a drink. Two of us, surrounded by 30-odd clowns. Surreal.

              I’m just grateful it didn’t turn nasty. We could have been on the wrong end of a bucket of confetti.

            • Observer

              Especially if this clown had shown up.

            • Once_Born

              That’s why they book the Eurofighter – just in case he does.

            • Jgg2012

              The state court decision should have been issued in a clown suit.

          • Natalia M

            1sub is consistent about his preferences for professionalism and gravitas — he’s also stated that he doesn’t like Hambo’s ads for similar reasons. Even so, I’m glad today’s bench-babe-bashing is over. I think I’ll go watch Maleficent again 🙂

            • Observer

              Having spent most of my adult life working in the corporate world, I have seen innumerable instances of people who were the very image of educated professionalism, but who in fact were lazy, incompetent, stupid, cutthroat, dishonest, insane, or a combination of all of the above. I have also worked with people were not quite so professional in appearance and not particularly highly educated, but were smart, honest, dedicated, efficient and did excellent work (credit for which was often claimed by members of the first category).

              That’s why appearance is of so little importance to me. I’ve worked with too many oafish dunces with great hair and expensive clothing.

        • aquaclara

          From Wikipedia.
          I think she’s highly qualified.
          Covington was born in 1955 in Tampa. She received her Bachelor of Science degree cum laude from the University of Tampa in 1976, where she received the Outstanding Female Graduate Award. She received her Master of Business Administration from the University of Tampa in 1977 and her J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center in 1980. At Georgetown she was elected to the Tax Lawyer law journal.

          Covington served as a trial attorney for the Federal Trade Commission from 1980 to 1981. She served as an assistant state attorney for the 13th Judicial Circuit of Florida (Hillsborough County) from 1982 to 1983. Covington served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Florida from 1983 to 2001, working in the United States Department of Justice Civil Division from 1983 to 1988 and as Assistant U.S. Attorney as chief of the Asset Forfeiture Section in the United States Department of Justice Criminal Division from 1989 to 2001.

          • Lynn Fountain Campbell

            A-HAAAAAA! Just as I suspected.

          • Robert Eckert

            “Asset Forfeiture” is legalized theft.

          • Jgg2012

            Right, and, for someone 59 years old, she’s not bad looking.

        • Verve

          Can we keep politics out of this (I’m also referencing your posts further down)? I was fairly sure that this site was based on disseminating $ci info, not whether we like someone’s politics or not.

      • 1subgenius

        “She certainly shatters the stereotype of the stuffed-shirt good ol’ boy southern legal eagle.”
        While at the same time perpetuating the big hair Southern Belle stereotype.
        Progress.

        • Observer

          Having lived in the South, I can assure you that is not Southern Big Hair. 80s bangs, yes, but not Big Hair.

          I get it: you don’t think she is appropriately judicial and you don’t like her association with assorted Bushes. Fine. I don’t care about any of that and, while I might snicker at the senior pic vibe, choose to base my opinion of her solely on how she does her job.

          • Zana

            Yes. Thank you, Observer.

        • Lynn Fountain Campbell

          I suspect this “Southern Belle” is a steel hand in a velvet glove.

      • Zana

        Yes! Right on. Not my style hairdo… however, at least she’s bucking the “norm.”

      • Jgg2012

        You get more “good ol boy” types in Florida state court. Federal judges in the south (and elsewhere) are chosen by the President.

    • philosofa

      To have earned the epithet of “conscientious” from someone as steeped in the subject of lawsuits against the CofS as our Proprietor is, speaks well of Judge Covington. It’s easy to feel frustrated about an apparent “win” for the chirch but the law grinds exceeding fine, after all.

      • joan nieman

        Through his expertise, Tony has the ability to observe how and when things begin to take effect. He carefully states the positives in with the negatives and then, it is hoped, we focus on the positive. We just need to be more patient and focus on the possibility of succeeding in bringing this cult down. Brick by brick.

        • philosofa

          My thoughts exactly, joan.

    • shasha40

      This is why we Love you , Tony !!! SP #1 !

    • 1subgenius

      With all due respect, appearances do count for something in certain professions. They do wear robes for a reason, for instance. Appearance, and the effect it has on the level of seriousness that is due the administration of justice.
      My mocking her has nothing to do with disrespecting women in positions of responsibility, but with respect for the profession. Contrast the totally awesome trio we are fortunate to have on the U.S. Supreme Court, and the former Madam Justice.
      If a male judge were to appear outlandish, for lack of a better word, I would have the same reaction.
      In addition to the lack of decorum, the lack of self-awareness in one’s appearance, in anyone, tells me something about their mentation, in varying degrees.
      For example, I came home the other night to find that I had mis-buttoned my shirt by one. I accepted the fact that anyone interacting with me, would certainly be entitled to consider that I was mentally off. Consider, not conclude.
      When I posted my mock, I was going to bet, without having searched to find out, that she is a Bush appointee.
      Turns out my guess was right. She’s a double Busher: Jeb at state, and W at fed.
      This too tells me some things.
      I anticipated that the mock would result in a reaction such as yours, and that reaction is reasonable.
      I also don’t think anyone should get a free pass.
      .

      • media_lush

        For some reason she reminds me of Jar Jar Binks…. Is that bad?

      • ShoopZ

        “Turns out my guess was right. She’s a double Busher: Jeb at state, and W at fed.”

        Though tempting, I think it’s best to resist politics when considering cases against the cult. Comal County Judge Dib Waldrip is more than a bit too right wing for my taste. I try my best to ignore that fact.

        • 1subgenius

          Its just one factor. A highly unpredictable one at that in this instance.
          Those of that ilk love the butter side up. When there’s no butter, the defecation/loss of eyesight conundrum is exacerbated, and you end up with a dissected infant, as we see here.
          I’ll bet her honor has a very good law clerk.
          As Darrow said, I’m not trying to show contempt for the court.
          I’m trying to hide it.

        • 1subgenius

          Just for you, because no one is paying attention: my friend Ken played the White House with the Temptations, and got someone to use his camera to get a pic with W. (That’s not supposed to happen.
          And, yes he is flashing the bird while doing so. Ken is my hero.
          Oh yeah, that is also drool down W’s shirt.
          (Not photoshopped)

        • 1subgenius

          Just for you, because no one is paying attention: my friend Ken played the White House with the Temptations, and got someone to use his camera to get a pic with W. (That’s not supposed to happen.
          And, yes he is flashing the bird while doing so. Ken is my hero.
          Oh yeah, that is also drool down W’s shirt.
          (Not photoshopped)

        • Jgg2012

          Waldrip was appointed by that great intellectual, Rick Perry.

      • Verve

        And what the heck is wrong with the picture of her?

    • Mooser

      Gosh, doesn’t look to me like Judge Covington would have a problem with unflattering photos. I don’t think she needs mercy more than justice in a photo.

    • Espiando

      Would telling Her Honor “Tits or GTFO” be appropriate?

      • 1subgenius

        That would be close to a contempt of court citation.
        (From one of my favorite New Yorker cartoons.)

      • TDA1541A

        You don’t like tits anyway

        • Espiando

          I can appreciate them on an intellectual level.

    • Sibs

      Thank you, Tony! Jesus, I think I’m done scrolling down for today.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Right, Sibs. Good idea.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I do agree it is in poor taste, but I’d like to point out that an equal share of women were making jokes. Nothing posted here today is an example of misogyny. It was more along the lines of teasing and nothing was really nasty. That is all.

      • Natalia M

        You could tell it was going to a bad place though. Just saying.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Agree.

      • KNMF

        All should be prepared for the watering down of the word ‘misogyny.”
        Actual misogynists will profit.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I know he didn’t use that word, but it was implied and it was used by a commenter earlier.

          • KNMF

            I don’t know whether it was implied, but I also read it earlier somewhere here, and generally think it’s been used a little lightly since the publicity surrounding the latest psycho-killer.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Justice Minister of the day and soon to be Canada’s Prime Minister, Kim Campbell.

    • i-Betty

      Thank you, Tony.

    • Zana

      You’re the best, Tony. Thank you!

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      This could have all been avoided:

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Thank You Mr Ortega.
      This “Before you lob another attack at her appearance, please consider how
      much that plays into the stereotype of men disrespecting women in
      positions of responsibility. It’s not a good look.” x 1000.
      Some of Polish politicians should write this x 100 every day before their evening prayers…

    • Jgg2012

      Please. Judges are in their 50 and 60s, usually. Some are in their 70s. A lot are bald. Judge Covington is not a 20-year old actress or model. I am sure that she looked better when she was just out of law school.

  • NOLAGirl

    “As of Friday, the Florida Supreme Court issued a demand to the Church of Scientology to file a response to the writ of probation by June 4”

    Oh please let someone in the offices of the Florida Supreme Court be a Bunker reader. Tick Tock Dave, they’re watching you.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Yesterday, somewhere along the Appalachian trail, I climbed a mountain.

    Hiking Haiku

    Six eagles soaring.
    Total freedom is outside
    $cientology.

    Giant erratics
    Strewn, streams tumble freely. No
    $cientology

  • rom661

    Often I hope David Mustravage is reading the Bunker. Today, I hope Judge Covington isn’t. I seriously doubt she liked having this dumped in her lap. In legal matters, it’s the established law that usually hold sway. A judge follows the rules and precedents, largely in order to keep from being overturned. Here’s a surprising fact I discovered in my 11 year litigation mess. A jury trial verdict is more likely to be overturned than a bench (judge) verdict. Apropos of nothing but I was surprised for some reason. I figured that the appellate court would want to respect the decision of a jury. As it turns out, they have less regard for the “common man” and more for their fellow judges. Oh, my favorite deposition question:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=oRIk1zEiGwM&NR=1

    Beware of lawyers wearing Hawaiian shirts to depositions….

    • 1subgenius

      Yeah, the attorney was an ass, and full of himself.
      I would characterize it as the worst question ever, but the best answer ever.

    • Some law schools obviously have a football program.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    By the powers vested in me by the state of humanity,
    I hereby find that the “Church” of $cientology is in high treason.
    The pollution of Craigslist is an egregious abuse of anti-spam rules.
    Fraudulent bait-and-switch tactics will therefore be punished to the fullest extent of the law possible.
    This sentence is effective immediately: Cease and desist
    You are to mercilessly receive the Red-X until you so do.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460263

    ty Banksy for keeping an eye on the defendants.

  • Narapoid

    “..but she didn’t grant Scientology’s motion to dismiss his request for damages…”

    “…the Florida Supreme Court issued a demand to the Church of Scientology to file a response to the writ of prohibition…”

    “I think the church may be shocked that she kept the civil rights damages portion of the case alive.”

    Judge Covington is doing her best in $cios favorite game. Florida supreme court may as well.
    All hopeful news.

    Not so with all Judges, who may have had Scientology blackmail on them…

    Oh, It may be just a matter of law, I do not know enough about it, but it seems a perversity to destroy a man’s career when they are an agent for a client.

  • Minion Gayle

    I’m going to keep my fingers crossed for Ken. He’s getting royally shafted in this case (and not even getting taken out for dinner and a good bottle of wine beforehand.)

  • Natalia M

    Maybe she is being careful because she really really loves her doggy 😉

    • Just Dee

      How sad, yet true…..

  • VickiStubing

    OT: Apologies if I missed previous discussion on this, but I just found an article about the Samsung Galaxy 11 ad and app for the World Cup. You can help Messi defeat XENU!! I am serious (I’m ALWAYS serious about footy). Any Samsung users care to try their hand, er, feet, at bringing down the big bad alien?

    http://tinyurl.com/lejpbxo

    • Panopea Abrupta

      “Some people think football is a matter of life and death. Believe me, it is much more important than that.”
      Bill Shankly.

      • VickiStubing

        YNWA. Thanks for giving me another chance to love being a Red! teeheehee

  • Natalia M

    I know what happened to Scribed. It’s a new virus called “Hart to Hart Bleed” which reformats things in a 1984 style (refresh)

  • Rob Kline

    Why does this particular judge seem like the kinda woman that when you hear she is getting beat by her husband you go, “yeah I can see that.” Sigh

  • Rob Kline

    Why does this particular judge seem like the kinda woman that when you hear she is getting beat by her husband you go, “yeah I can see that.” Sigh

  • Watergate

    Uh … about the judge’s professional headshot ….

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Lest you forget, $cilons, all this legal wrangling began because someone died.
    This is why.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460284

  • ze moo

    The judges order just said that Dandar had not exhausted all efforts in the state courts (imho), yet. That can only change when the state supreme court rules.

    Why is the Florida Bar Association not filing ‘friends of the court’ motions? This is clearly a restraint of trade matter and previous decisions in federal court have called such restraints unreasonable and not in the public interest. There is still hope at the state supreme court level, but that takes an already expensive set of court actions from hideous to ludicrous. WTF????

    • Espiando

      Why is the Florida Bar Association not filing amicus briefs? Because Florida.

      • Qbird

        …….because…… because Florida is the capitol of Dumbfukistan? amirite?

        • ze moo

          Surly they all can’t be bottom feeding scum suckers, or catfish?

          • Qbird

            or Eelpout – yah shure!
            I surly am hoping not, ze moo – does major sun heat & high humidity melt brains?!
            I am hoping that common sense & fair play & LEGAL JUSTICE is in the hearts & minds of all these courts people down there in the sultry south. I want truth to prevail. I do not like that Dandar is getting pushed around by shit head legal goons hired by the mafia-like stupid rich COS… I am hoping that those in ‘power’ — the ones with actual authority agree with me, make a proper decision & right a wrong.

          • Mooser

            Please consider carefully before deciding catfish are deserving of your disapprobation. Catfish (especially the varieties ofCorydoras) are peaceful and useful fish. I like them.

            • Juicer77

              And they taste so goooooood

    • aegerprimo

      GET JJ in BOSTON… these ads targeting foreign students are only 10 minutes old.

      https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460359

      • Sidney18511

        It appears that JJ will NEVER stop so neither can we.

  • Anonymous

    Beginning with the false claims about the state of Clear in the book “Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health,” continuing with the false biographical information about L. Ron Hubbard being a nuclear physicist and graduate of George Washington University, furthered by the completely false assertions about the 100% efficacy of “the tech” of auditing in general and the absurdly high ‘success rate’ of Narconon in helping people overcome drug addiction in particular, Scientology has made itself into a pariah organization by lying.

    Because Scientology has relentlessly hounded it’s own former executives that have left the organization and become whistle-blowers as well as by having perpetrated uncounted acts of fair game against former public members who have spoken out as victims of systemic abuse by the organization, the church has deservedly become a lightening rod for criticism.

    Here is what the notorious Joseph Goebbels said about telling lies to further an end:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and / or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    For a brief while, a long time ago, the lies told by Scientology allowed it to grow.

    But Scientology has now been lying for decades about the success of its ‘tech’ while hiding it’s many failures and attacking those who attempted to tell the truth about Hubbard and the church. The consequences of the failures of Scientology tech and the lies that have been told to cover up those failures are now too widespread and well known to hide.

    As a general rule it is counterproductive to use too much hyperbole and it is certainly a stretch to compare Scientology to Nazism, but the shared characteristics of knowingly lying to people, then assaulting those who
    call BS on the lies, puts Scientology firmly into the category of an indefensible, destructive, self-serving cult.

    • TDA1541A

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

      “A big lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth
      so infamously.” Hitler asserted the technique was used by Jews to
      unfairly blame Germany’s loss in World War I on German Army officer Erich Ludendorff.”

      • Anonymous

        As a propaganda technique (not a label) The Big Lie is as old as mankind.

        The ability to quickly use the poison of The Big Lie on a mass audiences is relatively new in man’s history.

        The antidote to the poison provided by the internet is even more recent.

      • Robert Eckert

        Very Hubbardesque, to talk about the Big Lie technique while perpetrating a big lie.

        • TDA1541A

          The Hubbard is strong in that one

  • Bradley Greenwood

    That’s a judge?! I think someone accidentally provided a portrait of a graduating high school senior.

    • Mooser

      I know how you feel. I wish the years since high school rested as lightly upon me.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        After high school, I went directly to college. After earning degree after degree, trying to put off the inevitable, I became a teacher. In many ways I returned to being a teenager myself; I taught seniors, primarily. In June of 2013, I retired due to the ravages of cancer surgery. I was only 52, but I rapidly became an old man without the rejuvenating exposure to teenagers.

        • Observer

          Yeah, but now you’ve got us. Not sure whether our effect is rejuvenating or accelerated aging though.

          • Bradley Greenwood

            Anything even tangentially regarding Scientology is the Twilight Zone.

  • Dandar agreed not to sue the criminals, he never agreed that his clients would never sue.

    • Just Dee

      That’s what is confusing to me. He isn’t the one who sued, right? He just represented someone. How on earth could scientology put a stipulation in an agreeenthat a lawyer couldn’t represent anyone in a lawsuit. It’s crazy…

      • Robert Eckert

        Simple. They can’t. It’s illegal. Something is very very wrong with the state courts of Florida.

  • Truthiwant

    Off topic.

    ONE CLICK TO FREEDOM

    I often think back to that extraordinary moment two and a half years ago when I looked on the internet and for the first time began to read horror stories about Scientology.

    It’s strange now to think that while I was still ‘in’, at the same time there were people like Tony Ortega writing articles on the internet exposing a completely different picture of Scientology, and that the only obstacle between actually seeing these articles or being completely oblivious to them was a click.

    Scientologists are not allowed to view these sites because they are ‘entheta’. Infact a good Scientologist does not even consider looking at them because he thinks they contain false data.

    This may sound absurd to many of you, (and of course, it is) but, as a Scientologist, to actually pluck up the courage and make that one click, means to renounce potentially one’s own eternity.

    Weird, I know, but that’s what a Scientologist is taught.

    Personally, I was never a prime example of a Scientologist, but even I felt trepidation when I looked on the internet that first time.

    For me, that click actually did something remarkable. It broke a spell.

    Now I don’t say that this same thing would happen to all other Scientologists. It might not. But for sure it would jolt anybody’s mind a bit.

    It is an odd feeling, knowing that there are many other people out there, just like I was, who are still in Scientology, unhappy, and are just a click away from learning a different story. A click that would explain to them why they are unhappy. Or why they feel that they are the only people who are failing in Scientology when apparently everybody else is gaining. Or why they are continually being asked to donate to some project that always seems so important to conclude but at the same time is always so vague and secret.

    When Ron Hubbard said, back in the 50s, that he outwitted a computer, he didn’t realize just how wrong he was and how that ‘stupid computer’ would, infact, begin to dictate the downfall of his ‘religion’.

    • Sidney18511

      Thank you for your story. Any suggestions you can offer on how we can break through and reach those still in?

      • Truthiwant

        I think Scientology, daily, are having less and less control over their flock and people are more than ever clicking on the internet, in spite of what they are told by the organization

        • Sidney18511

          Are you in contact with anyone that is still in?

          • Truthiwant

            It’s almost a year now that I have talked to a Scientologist.

            • Betsy

              Thanks so much for being here. I hope every day is a happy burst of freedom for you.

            • Barbara Angel

              What Betsy said x 1,000

      • Semper Phi

        I still have about 30 scilon Facebook friends, and I am done coddling them by not sharing “entheta” with them. I have started sharing Chris Shelton’s blog posts with them, and after doing this twice, I still haven’t had any of them unfriend me! One of them asked why I shared the most recent article, but she hasn’t unfriended me. Some of them must be clicking on the articles, so of course, I’ll keep on bringing the entheta.

        • aquaclara

          We have the best exes here at the Bunker…..

          • Barbara Angel

            “Best exes here” definitely and some of the ***Bravest*** for sharing their stories with us.
            Please know that even us never ins are just absolutely Horrified at how hideously unfair life was/is when living under co$ dictatorship. I’m just so in awe of the courage and the abilities those exes found within themselves, in order to survive and escape. It would have been so very, very hard and frightening for you all. But you found your reserve strength and got out. WELL DONE.

    • KNMF

      Good post.

      “, …as a Scientologist, to actually pluck up the courage and make that one
      click, means to renounce potentially one’s own eternity.””

      I always want to ask these folks, “what has made you so fragile, delicate, scared, feeble, vulnerable, that you can’t perform a proper investigation?”

      • Semper Phi

        I actually did write back to some FB friends who had unfriended me and stated my opinion that scientology is fragile indeed if they can’t even have tangential contact with people who don’t like it. They were people who were on staff with me and know me fairly well, and I wanted to let them know that I had noticed their departure from my friend list. Of course, I have never heard back from them.

    • pluvo

      “For me, that click actually did something remarkable. It broke a spell.”

      Truthiwant, so very well described. Yes, it broke a spell – same happened to me. When I started to check on the Internet, I was reading for hours every day – for many months – on the fringe blogs and story after story (as English is not my native language, I also needed more time to understand it all). I even made a list with all the names of the exes and goggled one after the other, reading their stories. I was often emotionally so upset and outraged about the things I found out, that I had a hard time to digest it all.

      I remember when I was writing to a former executive (a major “SP”) and when I was hitting ‘send’: it was like a point of no return, stepping over the threshold, over to the “dark side”. The severity of the mind control which has to be shed is difficult to describe. It took me some serious mental efforts to get to a point where I could communicate freely again.

      Now these all seems absurd and in hind side also sometimes very comical to me; but at the time it was a mental process which took some serious work, whereby the communication and exchange of what has happened and what the other exes experienced was invaluable as healing therapy.

      • aquaclara

        So terrific to hear your breakthrough moment. “SEND” is your moment….and look at you now!
        Love your story, and so glad you’re out.

        • pluvo

          Thank you, aquaclara. ‘Send’ was a part during the decompression period. I had left the Sea Org years before but was still ‘under the spell’.

          • aquaclara

            I was sitting here, grinning like a fiend, reading your story, on top of TruthIwant’s.
            It’s the very best feeling knowing that somewhere, somebody got curious, looked and found their way out to a new start on life.

            This made my day.

          • philosofa

            So much kudos to you, pluvo. The story of your awakening bought tears to my eyes. You are free because you had the courage to look at both sides and learn the truth. Bravo.

      • Robert Eckert
    • aquaclara

      “ONE CLICK TO FREEDOM”
      Truthiwant, this is such a powerful story. Actually, I think you might have been like quite a few in Scientology – unhappy, can’t talk about it, can’t make sense of it, and flailing while seemingly, amid those torrents of testimonials, everyone else is getting along just swimmingly.
      One click. YAY.

    • Once_Born

      May I ask – what motivated you take that first look?

      • Truthiwant

        On my blog, which is mostly satire, there are also a couple of serious articles, one of which is entitled Leaving Scientology. Towards the end of the essay, I briefly descibe how I left.

        http://wp.me/p3a0JR-3S

        • Once_Born

          Thanks.

        • MaxSpaceman

          “This is the frightening part. You are made to believe that only the Scientologists have the answers to the universe.”

          The goal of El Ron El Rey Hubbard in the 1950s, to create a long con that would keep his customers onboard for life. Glad you put it that way, “the answers”, as it explains a lot. It’s part of the hook that one hears most of the time, the fear of losing their eternity. And that can happen because- ‘$cientology Inc. has the Keys to the Kingdom, The Answers to the Universe’.

          TiW – I hope you post your ‘leaving Scientology’ blog-link regularly, like once-a-however-long. Because if there are, indeed, ‘Still-In’ lurkers, they all should get a chance to have a link to your testimony/story/page, I think.

    • NOLAGirl

      I’m incredibly glad you clicked. I’ve learned a lot from your posts.

    • Espiando

      Just a little product of your inspiration…

      • Pepsicat

        I love that!

      • DodoTheLaser

        I am stealing this pic. Thanks.

    • Verve

      Well said! As a never-in, I cannot assimilate this kind of fear just to read something.
      So glad you’re out and into the real world now.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Truthi,
      I love this post. And the irony in the last sentence is heartwarming.

  • NeverIn

    OT. A quote from John Oliver this week about the proposed FCC Net Neutrality rules also applies amazingly well to Scientology’s Bridge to Total Freedom.

    “If you want to do something evil, put it inside something boring.”

    • NeverIn

      Even more OT Disqus question – why is the down-arrow red? Does it do that by default now, or did I accidentally down-vote myself?

  • Robert Eckert
    • Pierrot

      Thanks Robert, targeting foreign students again

    • Observer

      Done. That Tao Grandmaster thing doesn’t look like Scientology though.

      • Pierrot

        It is not, thanks
        2 More student added Europeans and Thai

    • Pierrot

      European & Thai students added to the list (8 ads)

    • MrsLurksALot

      Got ’em!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Got ’em, and Obs is right – the Thai Grandmaster isn’t scn.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        No,but still looked flakey,”We will have whips for sale.” I left it alone. To each his own unless it’s the hubtard’s.

  • Sidney18511

    Did anyone find a copy of the settlement with the COS that Dander signed?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      The agreement is posted here: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/lisa-mcpherson-civil-suit-confidential-settlement-agreement.110429/

      Pages 4 & 5 here are central to this case. Ken Dandar claims he wasn’t signing as a party, he was signing as counsel. http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/111823881?access_key=key-28b7z1t6y3y7vnl42fyv#fullscreen

      • Juicer77

        I see where the legal argument comes into play. It does say “individually and as personal representative of…” Just trying to look at it as the court does. So the question really is intention vs. action on Dandar’s part. Going to read this in its entirety again.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I don’t know why he would sign something like that. Notice that “individually” is under the signatures of everyone signing on behalf of the LMT, but not included under any of the Scientology representatives’ signatures.

          I don’t know much, but I know that all these courts and lawyering and what nots should just be replaced with trial by combat. There would be much less paperwork, much less complaining and it wouldn’t take forever to reach a conclusion. The gods find you guilty or they find you not guilty. Good. We’re all home by dinnertime.

          • Juicer77

            Sometimes I’m right there with you. Frustrating is not even the word.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              One thing I have noticed about courts and judges and lawyers is this:

              Interpretation is HUGE.
              And when it gets purposely convoluted like this…..everyone gets confused and then has to look at case law for answers.

              Scientology has exploited this.
              That is why they pursue the tried and true.
              That is why the IRS giving them the exemption means so much. It really was a huge win.
              It is a HAMMER for the COS as long as they have it….and it is on the periphery of every single court case out there.
              If not on paper, or even verbalized………..you can bet it is a dark cloud.
              Court systems are still run by humans……….which will always have room for opinion, confirmation bias……and flat out ERROR.
              JMHO.
              (OK, maybe I am not so humble)………whateves 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              A benevolent dictatorship would fix that shit right up!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              So would a vodka tonic!

              (Oh wait, we weren’t talking about me? I am disapoint!)

            • Captain Howdy

              You are my Queen!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Just remember to put me down for the shrunken head in your will!!!!
              MUAH!

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s a definite possibility.

          • Captain Howdy

            It’s enough to make your head explode.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You damn right, Captain. Sometimes I try to think about it and it’s like my head is being crushed under the weight of a mountain.

            • Captain Howdy

              Banderas Jr. should have got Netflix.

              http://youtu.be/5xAMYHJYesM

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Good point, and Banderas Jr. is lol.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • Dancing Cranberry

      Thanks, Panopea.

    • Espiando

      Pimping Study Tech in the home of Harvard and MIT. Yeah, right, JJ. You fucking shitball.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Maybe one of the counter ads should link to “Death of a Nethead”!

    • MrsLurksALot

      I am really surprised all these ads are still up. We started flagging within the first hour. Arrrgghhh!

      • Hamtaro

        It IS frustrating, but some ads take more whacks to eliminate than others. The only thing to do? Hit them again, from a different IP if you can.

    • Pierrot

      Here is the direct link for JJ student recruitment drive:

      http://boston.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=%28boston+stude*+click+here%29-cila

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Me too,what’s going on with these?

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Chris from, Redmond Washington sounds really(hot) cute. I talked to him about all their courses and even got him to describe what he looked like. Bruce is the elderly fellow. It is hard to get pass the lady that answers the phone but she admits they only get one day off a week. I gotta make a recording of these. But I wont. You could here Chris blush when I said he sounded like a handsome guy. I fucking sound like a,Marine. Poor Chris needs to go soak his balls in a freezing niacine bath.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    OT but did you see this open letter to Farrakhan about disagreements about scn? It was posted on Ishmael Bey’s FB [age

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?36072-Open-Letter-Concerning-Scientology-to-Hon-Min-Louis-Farrakhan-From-Ishmael-A-Bey&p=937303

    “For five years now we have attempted to engage in private dialog … The central point of Scientology and its involvement in the Black Community as a whole. There is a deliberate lack of transparency, some of which should be expected but in other forms unjustifiable and downright indefensible violations which will not be tolerated….

    “…Scientology teaches “Disconnection” they label anything, which challenges Dianetics as “Entheta” they label anyone not a believer in Scientology as a Suppressive Person. Those are all Satanic Cult Terms used to manipulate anyone who would dare critically think and look at both sides of a situation. I reject all of those Hubbard terms, which are as fictional as the science fiction writer himself. If we cannot have open and honest dialog as African rooted people then there is no reason to ever attempt to find avenues of peace because there will be no precondition of the stench of Scientology allowed for me to speak to an Elder in public or in private. It would be disingenuous on both sides to not be totally honest and play the politically correct roles when our people are dying and being exploited in such vast amounts.

    “… On this particular point I will never allow the topic to go unanswered or unquestioned. My works are forever solidified by my commitment to standing up and defending the community against any Spiritual Whoring Colonization like that, which is offered by The Church of Scientology…”

    • Juicer77

      Thank you for posting the link. I may not agree with him on some things, but Mr. Bey’s willingness to keep openness and transparency in the equation is admirable. I was very glad he came to FlagDown to share his information.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I like,”Satanic cult”,it’ll scare anyone with some god sense away. Although, I hope the goth kids don’t trade the table’s at,Denny’s for sessions with cans. I can just see their black finger polish getting chipped now.

  • Juicer77

    Question for legal types in the Bunker: is it legal for a corporation/entity to have someone sign an agreement stating they will never sue that corporation/entity again for any reason? What if that person has a legitimate, completely different basis for a suit at a later date? These blanket-type agreements the CO$ always insists on strike me as unlawful.

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      IANAL but have wranlged with them from time to time. You certainly sign an agreement assigning any dispute to binding arbitration instead of allowing it to proceed to trial. I know someone who tried to get one of those agreements overturned in CA Superior court recently and was handed their hat by the court.

    • Jgg2012

      They are usually not enforceable, especially a promise not to represent anyone against Scientology because it is illegal for a lawyer to do that. I think Dandar meant that he would not personally sue them, not that he wouldn’t represent someone other than McPherson who was suing them. Dandar was not a plaintiff in Kyle Brennan’s suit.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Signing any kind of contract can become a morass once it gets to a courtroom.
      Oh hell, they are that BEFORE they get to a courtroom.

      They are designed as a weapon to keep people out of courtrooms.
      Hence, this one is a real head scratcher on many levels.

      The fact is…ONLY an actual court can enforce a penalty. (So fuck you sideways Scientology!!!!)
      Right now….its like watching a very slow tennis match with a grenade instead of a ball.

      Oh, and IANAL……..so what the hell do I know…

  • Jgg2012

    Here is what Section 1983 is for: after the Civil War, there were cases of cops arresting innocent African Americans and a biased state court system denying their rights. So, the Federal Courts could hear a claim (which Congress passed pursuant to the 14th Amendment) that the state denied them their civil rights.
    Covington rightly denied the motion to dismiss: Dandar did not ask the federal court to disagree with a state court’s interpretation of state law (it can’t), but rather asserted that others conspired to rig the system (a Section 1983 type of claim). She also rightly decided to intervene AT THIS TIME. Why? the remedy for a wrong state trial court decision is to appeal to state appellate courts, which Dandar is still doing. It may still work. If not, (ie if the Florida Supreme Court upholds Judge Beech’s outrageous decision) then the federal court can hear a Section 1983 claim against the people who rigged the result.

    • Snippy_X

      Thank you for explaining this. It makes more sense, but it is very far from a common sense view of the situation and what a normal person would think of as justice. How many individuals in similar cases, where the state courts were in some powerful entity’s pocket, have actually succeeded in jumping through all these hoops just to be heard in a federal court? I would think this path to justice is not available to the average person and they would be forced to eat the state courts’ corrupted decisions. Why on earth does this need to be so arduous?

      • Jgg2012

        Usually the state courts are not corrupt, the trial court doesn’t interpret a contract as having an illegal promise after a closed hearing and then award $1million without explanation, but this is Scientology.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Dear Sarah Heller,
    I will be in Clearwater for the next several days.
    Maybe I will see you and your own personal rent a cop while I am there?
    Or maybe not….who knows.
    Please dress professional for my camera; may I suggest some nice khakis?
    Please remember to bring your clipboard (blankie).
    Have a nice day, and hydrate well while following people around on the streets of “the friendliest place on earth”.
    It is really hot now and I don’t want your thetan(s) to have a heat stroke.
    mkay, buh bye,

    BTN

    • Snippy_X

      OT, but does the complete and wonderful Super Power building have a pool? I hope it does, so they can give the kids swimming lessons. Every kid should takes a few weeks out of their summer and learn to swim.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I agree. I am sure they just shuttle the cadet org kiddies across the Fort Harrison/Flag walkway so they can:

        1: Check the security cameras to make sure they are still recording everyone’s license plates correctly.
        2: Use them to wash dishes after the afternoon rush on burritos in the Fort Harrison’s cafe.

        Then they they may let the kiddies do a quick lap in the Ft. Harrison pool to wash off the sweat and grease so they can go back to their bunk beds.

        I HATE SCIENTOLOGY!
        Oh, wait………you knew that.
        😉

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Wait! Does the oiliness table count?

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        I don’t think Scientology kids should ever try to learn how to swim. The chlorinated water doesn’t work well with the clay and it’s all sorts of mucky and.. By the time they could make a demo model of ‘swimming’ the poor kid will have drowned. Unless they make the clay demo outside of the pool… Nah, they will still probably drown. Dumb study tech kids.

        • Snippy_X

          Well, the age of Dumb Study Tech II is surely upon us and will fix all that, I’m sure.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for June 3: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #21,713 – up 976 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 22,002)
    Scientology: US rank #60,290 – down 745 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 53,811)

    Difference: 38,577 – 1,721 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 31,809)

    Clicks from Taiwan – 10,0% today.

    • Juicer77

      Have India clicks dropped off completely as the recent pattern had shown? Just wondering…

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Alexa has shown no clicks from India in the past couple of weeks. I guess when a country’s clicks are under a certain percentage Alexa does not show them. They just suddenly dropped from 10% to not showing up. And then Taiwan just suddenly popped up to 10% from nothing.

        Typical Scientology 🙂

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          That guy moved to Taiwan…

          • Juicer77

            Lol

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            Was moved by force by,’lil bitcavige. Of course.Lou ordered the e-ticket. He was told it was a promotion even though he’ll never see his family again. Aint those clams grand! And when his clickin’ finger falls off they’ll sell him for bait.

        • Science Doc

          Sounds like they have a threshold for reporting country data. If that threshold is not much below 10% a small change could drop India and replace it with Taiwan. My instinct is that this is still not about total world wide clicks. Given all the attention on the new org in Taiwan, I suspect someone is trying to create evidence of enthusiasm.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Tony’s Alexa stats show countries with a percentage as low as 4%, so I think that may be the threshold.
            Seems a bit strange that the old Indian percentage and the new Taiwanese percentage is almost identical… And why are there only 3 countries on Scientologys Alexa list: US, Canada and Taiwan? Can’t even UK drum up a couple of thousand clicks?

            • Science Doc

              I’m going to guess a combination of mischief in the form of click buying plus imperfect data reporting from Alexa. I understand COB or someone in Taiwan wanting to make that locally more active looking, but I’ve always been perplexed at the value of buying 10% of a shrinking clientele as opposed to buying a large and fixed number of clicks as a firewall against complete collapse.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I don’t know if Davey cares about the clicks to their site at all. If he did, he should have been able to get their ranking up way beyond Tony. I’ve been seeing the clicks as people directly accessing the Scientology website by typing in their URL and going to their site, like we do every day with the Bunker. However, I just recently came to think about the clicks being people paid (or doing it for free) to click on Scientology banners and ads on different sites (Youtube and Google, and so on). This will give the whales the impression that the ad/banner tech is working like a charm. On ads, a click is a click. However on website hits I think it’s a bit different. If you go to the Bunker’s front page and hit refresh 100 times within an hour, I do not think Tony gets 100 hits, because you are using the same IP address. Maybe he gets 6 or 12 hits for this (IP “reset” could be once per 5 or 10 minutes to prevent people from falsely driving up their stats). So if you click an ad on google 1000 times, your Google Ads stats will be great, but your site stats will not increase the same.

            • Science Doc

              Well the important thing is that hardly any potential victims are going to their site. They can monkey around with clicks here and clicks there to fool themselves, but it’s just a sad and incomprehensible little part of their death spiral.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Like their buildings, it’s all for show.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Here’s an image (refresh) showing Tony’s increased interest from Mexico, NZ and Australia. Could explain his recent incline in the rankings.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        After the Ideal Org opening in Australia…………I am not surprised by increased activity from there.
        Salute the OZ SPs!!!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Australia and New Zealand I get. But Mexico?

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      So they moved the click farming to Taiwan. Costing too much in India?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Yes, they can probably get the service for free from their new “Ideal Org” in Taiwan. Money saved for The Shrimp.

  • ze moo

    Flordia judges can be ‘different’. This story is from a criminal court.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647260/Florida-judge-PUNCHES-public-defender-head-court-spat.html

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    “If someone insists on always telling the truth, he will be found out eventually.”

    Oscar Wilde

    On that basis, $cilons need have no fear.
    They should fear the fringes of the interwebz, instead.
    Go get JJ in Boston.
    And the rest of the lying liars who lie.
    Main list:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460335
    Updates:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460335
    ty Baby

  • media_lush
    • Bury_The_Nuts

      NICE!
      I gotta say though….I would still take my chances of getting a response from a caterpillar as opposed to that silly obtuse ashtray….

  • valshifter

    Off topic, I just saw a sketch on Tosh.0 show about scientology on the comedy chanel, he is trying to audit sombody weith an emeter, gives the cans to the guy and scares him to be electrecuted, while in the back there is a big sign that reads scientology with the Dianetics volcano exploding, and a picture of John Travolta and tom cruise hugging, the he proceeds and tells his pc that he will audit him only for $10,000.00 wich the guy hands him a check quickly, the he mades him swer on top of the scientology bible, “a Dianetics book” and proceeds from there on to more jokes, basically all am saying is more and more tv shows are not afraid to talk about scientology and is becoming a joke as it should be. as they sue away they only calling more and more attention uppon themselves.

    • media_lush

      do you happen to know the episode number?…. might dl it and do a few screengrabs

      • valshifter

        not sure will do my reaserch.

      • valshifter

        here is the link, seems to be blocked now, OSA is on top, those bastards.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9mtustamP0

        • Observer

          I can see it. The Scientology bit starts at 2:10.

        • media_lush

          …. wish I was one of the writers… they could have made that sketch so much funnier… they could have got the guy to take of all his clothes… for “your purification sauna”… cut to kid wearing towel opening sauna door and one of the myriad of Saturday Night Fever songs could come blasting out…

          oh, well… good find!

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            I can see it.Night Fever?

            • media_lush

              it could be a recurring joke with a different tune each time he opens the door…

              Danger Zone (Top Gun)

              “…. I got chills, they’re multplyin'”…. (Grease)

              Mission Impossible Theme

              … and so on

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Show him in his towel trying to swallow copious amounts of niacian and vitamins.Leaving the shower sickly green. Also, they should ask for his credit cards in the opening sequence. Mechanical Tom Cruise walk by in hallway.

            • Robert Eckert

              “walk” by? Shouldn’t Tom Cruise run?

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Brisk pace as not to be noticeable it’s a fake.

            • TDA1541A

              run in slomotion

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Love,Tosh it isn’t the first time he’s made fun of clams.

  • valshifter

    I love the fact that the name Lisa McPherson is not going away, that must be hunting to the scientologist.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Was Hubbard a psychopath?

    Is Miscavige a psychopath?

    The Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised or PCL-R is the most frequently used psychological assessment to gauge psychopathy. While it is normally administered by qualified and experienced professionals under controlled and standardized settings, it is interesting even for the layperson to look at the 20-item checklist.

    A value of 0 is assigned if the item does not apply, 1 if it applies
    somewhat, and 2 if it fully applies. In addition to lifestyle and
    criminal behavior the checklist assesses:

    glib and superficial charm,
    grandiosity

    need for stimulation
    pathological lying
    cunning and manipulating,
    lack of remorse
    callousness
    poor behavioral controls
    impulsiveness
    irresponsibility
    denial
    parasitic lifestyle

    sexual promiscuity
    early behavior problems
    lack of realistic long-term goals
    failure to accept responsibility for own actions
    many short-term marital relationships
    juvenile delinquency
    revocation of conditional release
    criminal versatility

    The scores are used to predict risk for criminal re-offense and probability of rehabilitation.

    Ya might read up on it, Tom Thumbscrew.

    TICK TOCK

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      What score do you need to qualify as a psychopath? I may or may not kill you if you don’t give me the answer. It depends…

      • Panopea Abrupta

        I got a 40, aced it.
        Cum Laude.
        Got a diploma from Sequoia University, in fact.
        It’s under all my war medals somewhere.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I got five on it. Grab your 40, let’s get keyed.

          • Baby

            I got a 2 at this age.. Thank God I didn’t take it in my youth……..EEEEEEEEEEEEEP

    • Captain Howdy

      That list is applicable to most people to some degree from what I’ve observed.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      From my observations of Miscavige and what I have read by people who worked with him, here is my take:

      glib and superficial charm, 2 (quite glib and superficial to those he wants to impress)

      grandiosity 2 (he is all over that with the golden age of whatever and the sets at events)

      need for stimulation 2 (I think he needs the jet set lifestyle an constant stimulation)

      pathological lying 2 (yes)

      cunning and manipulating, 2 (yes)

      lack of remorse 2 (I have never seen evidence of compassion or remorse)

      callousness 2 (the hole. enough said)

      poor behavioral controls 2 (flying off the handle and beating people, ordering people hurt)

      impulsiveness 1 (I think he is very impulsive, but he also has long term schemes)

      irresponsibility 2 (is always using other people and others money and blaming everyone else)

      denial 2 (cannot admit scientology is shrinking or that he is a bully)

      parasitic lifestyle 2 (his lifestyle is completely supported by ripping off the folks in scientology)

      sexual promiscuity 1 (don’t know, but there are scattered reports)

      early behavior problems 2 (beating up his PC at saint hill, his family calling him little hitler)

      lack of realistic long-term goals 2 (his goals seem to revolve around not going to prison, not realistic)

      failure to accept responsibility for own actions 2 (it is always everybody else’s fault. An “only one”)

      many short-term marital relationships 0 (Shelly is long term)

      juvenile delinquency 0 (unknown)

      revocation of conditional release 0 (unknown)

      criminal versatility 0 (he has specialized in fraud the whole time)

      Total score: 30

  • media_lush

    here’s a little bit more about Jaden Smith at that wedding….. the whole story is pretty funny, especially so if you’re no fan of that awful family
    http://pagesix.com/2014/05/29/golden-toilet-tower-headless-nude-statues-inside-kimyes-wedding/

  • valshifter

    Anybody down for Edge of tomorrow ? to listen to TC talk about reincarnation and past lives? some people are saying that is a remake of other movies like blah blah blah…..

    • media_lush

      though it’s died down lately I think there are still lulz to be had in the comments here hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-tom-cruises-edge-708523

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Happy Birthday, Michael Leonard Tilse, sometime this month.
    I have a vague recollection that it is about today.

    Anyways, the sugar-free red velvet caek with the Schadenfreude frosting is served…

    Enjoy, and many many happy returns.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thank you! Love the caek! ‘Twas aboot 9:15 am, the 17th of June, 1953 when I emerged. So a few days yet. But thank you in advance. (is that how that works?) Or thanks for the advanced thank you!

      I am enjoying June.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Happy early birthday and enjoy your caek!

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Fact #1: people born in the AM are, on average, more intelligent than people born in the PM.

        Fact #2: I just made that last fact up, but it does sound likely to be true. And don’t worry, PM’ers are so dumb that they probably can’t even read this.

        • jeff

          Wow. LRH has *factually* gotten under your skin.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            You wrong, jeff bro. You must’ve been born in the PM.

            • jeff

              Were I a PM birth, I factually, according to you J3T, I could not have read that. But I have no idea of the hour of my birth as I was adopted.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              There is nothing wrong with that, jeff bro. But I was a PM birth myself and I was only kidding.

            • jeff

              As was I Jimmy cubed.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You wrong, jeff bro.

            • aquaclara

              You were brought by angels, and so, are blessed with luck always.
              🙂

            • jeff

              But is the luck good or bad?

            • aquaclara

              Good, of course!

              Í know this is true, just for you.
              😉

            • jeff

              What’s true for me is true, then.

            • aquaclara

              If we need to bring out the leprechaun, just give me the nod…..he promises much,
              Frankly, the damn leprechaun, lucky as he is, has been a pain in the ass waiting for certain birhdays….

            • Espiando

              Well, the time on your revised birth certificate should be correct. I know that it is on mine and on another relative’s who’s also adopted. Both our birth times match those on our original certificates.

        • Espiando

          Fact #1: I was born at 3:15 PM. Both of my birth certificates say this, so I have proof and substantiation.

          Fact #2: That fucks over your Fact #1 so many ways that Carl Sagan would run out of billions before the counting was over.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            You have thoroughly disproven my fact. But it would be cooler if you were born at 3:16 tho, because you could use that in either a Jesus angle or the Stone Cold Steve Austin angle. “Espiando 3:16 says I just whooped your ass!” That would be fun.

        • Missionary Kid

          I was born in India in time for tea. Different time zone.
          I want to see the dox on any study that says birth time has any correlation to intelligence. Sounds like woo woo to me.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I want to see the dox on any study that shows the percentage of internet peoples that read beyond the first sentence. That’d be interesting. Purple monkey dishwasher.

            • Missionary Kid

              Ya got me. It’s 2am & I’be been up since 7:00 yesterday. I’m also reading this on the dinky smartphone screen. At this point, I am a purple monkey dishwasher.

            • Espiando

              And you can’t be quite certain about the purple part. Maybe you’ve gained the ability to see into ultraviolet. That would be more of a super power than anything you can gain in Clamwater.

            • Missionary Kid

              My super power is that I can talk to anyone I want, and no so called religion can pressure me to do any different. Try that $cions!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That’s a rough stretch. And I wasn’t calling you a purple monkey dishwasher, it’s an old Simpsons reference and it used to be used on the internets to check if someone is paying attention. Or it was just thrown in as a joke.

            • Missionary Kid

              To quote the immortal words of Chick Gearbox, “No harm, no foul.” When I went back and reread your post after I’d replied, I had to laugh at my reply.

          • Missionary Kid

            Oops, I didn’t read number two.

          • Once_Born

            I was born in England, on November the 5th – AKA Guy Fawkes day.
            Traditionally, Guy Fawkes is burned in effigy, on a bonfire, and we let off fireworks.
            A distinctive mask is often put on his dummy (called “a Guy”).

            Those masks are easier to get hold of these days, because of a certain informal, international organisation .

            Is this why I’m here!?

            (PS: Correlation does not imply causation)

      • aquaclara

        Oh, Michael, you are such a sweetie! Wishing you so much happiness and cake for your upcoming birthday!

        June is good.

      • Baby

        xo Our Gemini.. I knew it…

        Please tell John Duignan that Baby says hi..

  • LillyPond LuLu

    Ken thanks for fighting and showing so much courage .Down with bullies!

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Off Topic

    Just got this from rawstory dot com. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAmJwYenIs Thought some of the late night crew and Cosmos fans might be amused.

    I wish there was a series of “Hubbard on Weed” videos to accompany the ones that get pulled out of the “vault” every week.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Jamie Oliver (Last Week Tonight) buckles FCC website after he airs this informative but funny video in which he calls on all net commenters to go to the FCC website to complain about Net Neutrlity laws. Techdirt story https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140602/17352727438/fcc-comment-page-buckles-to-its-knees-after-john-oliver-asks-everyone-to-comment.shtml

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fpbOEoRrHyU

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        ^ this is important ^

      • jeff

        Forgive me for being picky, Cars, but Jamie Oliver is an annoying celebrity chef (I find all celebrity chefs annoying, with the possible exception of the Galloping Gourmet, who was funny to watch get sloshed). This funny guy is John Oliver

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Cars was wrong about the name, but the message is important.

          • jeff

            Couldn’t agree with you more strongly Jimbro.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I just assumed he meant Jamie Gwen and moved on…

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Thanks, Jeff. I fixed it.

    • jeff

      We get quite enough of Hubbard on pinks and greys, thank you very much.

    • Espiando

      A little late to respond now, but I’m on the Night Shift and transition today. I did Cosmos On Weed with the original, which was fortunately running on PBS during the time I was taking an astrophysics class. I did very well in the class. Whether or not the weed had anything to do with that, I can’t say.

  • Panopea Abrupta
  • Captain Howdy

    We’ll probably feel a whole lot better when you’re gone Dave.

    http://youtu.be/BIpAeLpIjVk

    • Jo

      I first thought that was The Searchers, they all got bright teeth. http://youtu.be/BXYNHp19xok

      • Qbird

        sweet – 2 ‘new’ songs to flag by. ;-P

      • Captain Howdy

        You’re comparing The Searchers to The Byrds? Why not compare Peter Noone to Bob Dylan?

        • Baby

          or MEATLOAF!

        • Jo

          Um, sorry I’ve never heard of Peter Noone. Google or hearsay is saying David Bowie. The song reminded me of the searchers. Not sure why I’ve I got that tune, life on mars singing in my ears. Got confused, oh well, I’m only human.

          • Captain Howdy

            I was just being fanatical, excuse me.

            • Jo

              I’m curious of your favourite punk band, excuse me too.

            • Captain Howdy

              That depends on your definition of when punk started. The Stooges are considered the godfathers of punk. It you’re saying ’76 on, it would be Ramones, Damned, Pistols, Clash, Wire, Saints, Birthday Party, Germs, Black flag, Flipper, Cosmic Psychos.

              EDIT: Left out The Cramps and Gun Club.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Wrong. The punk genre was invented in 2001 by Canadians named Sum41. The day Sum41’s “Fat Lip” was first played on MTV, it was the first time the world had ever heard punk rock music. All those other bands you listed are great, too, I’m sure. But that’s not punk.

            • Captain Howdy

              As the saying goes “Close enough for Cleveland”

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That is not a saying, you made it up. You trollin bro.

            • KNMF

              lol wtf

            • DodoTheLaser

              That’s why I pay Jimmy to post here.
              Well, I tell him I will pay him some day.

            • KNMF

              real punkologists know the 1st punk song was “nurture my pig” by locos gringos.

            • Jo

              I’ve got the Ramones, Fugazi and The Cure on vinyl, got a box of records I can’t play. I hate to sound old, but they don’t sound the same on mp3.

            • Captain Howdy

              This is what it’s suppose to sound like.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8J2zJTn5S8

            • TDA1541A

              MP3 is a compressed shitty format. FLAC s what you want

            • Espiando

              Black Flag pre-Rollins, of course. Otherwise, the list is pretty impeccable. I would have added the Slits, X-Ray Spex, the Weirdos, and, of course, X.

          • jeff

            Herman and the Hermit;s lead singer(Mrs. Brown, You’ve Got a Lovely Daughter, Henry the ViiIth, etc.) was the aforementioned Mr. Noone

            • Jo

              Yikes, that’s a weird tune.

        • TDA1541A

          Bob Dylan is highly overated

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            How so?

            • TDA1541A

              People atribute positive things to ther Icons, In Dylans case they made him a Demi-God

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes, but can you give any examples of where he’s been overrated? And for what specific reasons do you disagree with their rating?

            • TDA1541A

              musicality

        • Espiando

          It’s the twelve-string thing, Cap. The Searchers got it from George Harrison, just like Jim McGuinn did before he got Rogered.

  • TDA1541A
    • philosofa

      I am shuddering reading it now This ghastly cult so needs to be ended.
      That is all.

  • Troy MacGyver SP
  • Pierrot

    RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X

    Good Morning every one

    JJ is up to his old trick Please check Boston Watch and active links here
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460335
    and there are a few alerts after Boston

    Yesterday’s daily list can be found here
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460263
    There have been a few messed links with Boston, Cleveland and Boulders you will find them corrected after the main list.
    We need you participation and cooperation to at least keep Boston Clear

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    Ty Cars

    • midatlanticcoast

      Bunch of blues in Nashville.

  • Pierrot

    RED X +–+ RED X +–+RED X +–+ RED X

    JJ deep under the radar, hiding away, do take him away

    http://boston.craigslist.org/search/bbb?query=Boston+%28%28english+coaching%29%7C%28james+kim+korea%29%29-karen+-academic

    View and flag the other Boston entries from the next RED X comment

    • Espiando

      What, JJ? You don’t think that the Night Shift knows flaggotry too?

      We never rest. We never blink. We see all. And they all go down.

      • philosofa

        Sneaky. naughty, naughty JJ. Done and done.

      • Barbara Angel

        Another great aspect of the Red X Brigade is many of us are from different countries and different time zones. JJ….and your gang… “Expect Us”

  • DodoTheLaser

    To all the Sea Org and staff members – this is NOT what you signed up for and deep inside you know it.
    Don’t waste your spirit away.

    “Auroræ” by Triptycon’s Tom Warrior.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3-OrBJwrI

    • DodoTheLaser

    • Missionary Kid

      Tory used that very same tack on a guard, and I saw her score. He’s probably in RPF for nodding in agreement.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Because sooner or later, every scientologist secretly whispers to himself – “This is not what I signed up for..” And that’s when him or her start their journey as a future Ex-scientologist.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Courtesy of Espiando

    • hansje brinker

      This is a very good one! I will nail it to the front of “my” local org

      • DodoTheLaser

        Please do, Hansje.

        • hansje brinker

          I just sent it to the “local” OSA guy.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Thank you!

            • hansje brinker

              No, thank you!

            • Espiando

              Hey, I’m the one who made it. Where are my thank yous?

            • hansje brinker

              Ah, sorry. I didn;t know. But, great work and very aesthetic! Thanks!

            • Espiando

              Honestly, I got lucky. Stumbled on the perfect pic in GIS, had the right font, added the right amount of bevel to it, and had a perfect message inspired by an Epic Sub-Thread down-thread from here. It just came together so well and so quickly that I feel guilty for taking credit for it.

            • DodoTheLaser

              It’s a team work of sorts. It’s perfect. Thanks again.

            • aquaclara

              Love this. Thank you.

            • DodoTheLaser

              You are very welcome. It’s Espiando’s gem though. I just happen to agree.

  • Espiando

    And as a return favor to Dodo, how about a little more music that might inspire a Sea Borg to blow…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFAnELR6rRg

    • DodoTheLaser

      That might work too. Definitely more “uptone”.
      Music is what got me through the hardest times when I was in.
      Through and out.

      • Espiando

        That was actually the “soft option” when it comes to Vacuum songs designed to get Scilons out. I’ll pull out the “hard option” (from the period when He Will Be My Husband Someday Alexander Bard was still in the group) when need be.

  • Espiando

    RED-X THIS BITCH!

    A little more than an hour left on the Night Shift. Let’s mop up before the day crew comes in. Still some blues out there on yesterday’s list:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-88#post-2460263

    Remember, one of our stats is “Scilon deceptive ads removed from Craigslist”. Let’s show them what “straight up and vertical” really means.

    • philosofa

      !!!Only 6 hours old. While it’s new let’s take this clam listing DOWN!!!

      http://houston.craigslist.org/cls/4503292499.html

      • Espiando

        “Overcoming Ups and Downs”. You put the ads up, we take the ads down.

        Overcome that, bitches.

  • DodoTheLaser

    New video from Karen and The Team for the early birds:

    “Scientology Inc and David Miscavige need 100 more lawyers for Narconon Law suits”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLexz2gYxDQ

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Omg, the Moe wig has me in stitches this morning. I’m trying to pay attention, I really am.

      Thanks Dodo.

    • KNMF

      Whether you’re circling the drain or if the toilet is overflowing, billable hours are billable hours.

  • InClearwater

    I am behind Ken Dandar 100 percent.
    I was one of the (many) court reporters on the McPherson/Leibrecht case.
    Week after week, and sometimes day after day, Ken Dandar stood alone against a phalanx of attorneys for the defendants.
    I will never forget. He did very damn good, even after being piled under paperwork.
    Ken, if you’re reading this, just know that there are folks rooting for you, who saw firsthand what was happening. And just for the LULZ, I have to tell you that I think you thought I was rooting for the other side. Soldier on! And if you ever write a book on your experience (hint, hint), I will definitely buy it.

  • AintMizBahavin

    isnt the judge a lyingtologist?