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HOW SCIENTOLOGY COERCED A CHILD TO HAVE AN ABORTION: THE LAURA DECRESCENZO FILES

—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Scientology litigation always has surprises: A new wrinkle from Narconon’s attorneys

ScalesWe’ve been keeping an eye on Ryan Hamilton’s lawsuits against Scientology’s Narconon drug rehab facilities in part because they’re so thorough. The Las Vegas attorney has obviously done his homework, and in the complaints he’s filed, he lays out the history of Narconon and its many deceptions with detailed citations. With references to testimony in other cases, he’s clearly trying to anticipate all of the objections and moves that Scientology has made previously.

So what does Narconon do? You’re going to love this. In one of the four federal lawsuits Hamilton recently filed, Narconon’s attorneys have complained that Hamilton’s complaint is too detailed.


This Complaint consists of over 100 paragraphs, nearly 120 pages including exhibits, a full deposition transcript from a distinctly separate lawsuit filed in Dekal[b] County, Georgia, numerous conclusory statements, prolonged unnecessary quotes from books, “scientific” opinions, etc. The Complaint is argumentative, prolix, largely irrelevant, and is not “simple, concise, and direct” as required by Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 8(d).

Narconon’s attorneys — Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith — represent the Nevada facility that Hamilton’s clients Cathy and Michael Tarr are suing. They filed a motion to dismiss, and make other arguments that Hamilton’s complaint for the Tarrs goes on too long.

Hamilton quickly responded with his own filing, explaining that his complaint — while within federal guidelines for length — was describing a “bizarre, elaborate fraudulent scheme.”

Requiring a defendant to answer basic allegations about its own program is hardly unreasonable or burdensome. It does not violate Fed. R. Civ. P. 8, nor is it good grounds for a motion to strike or for a more definite statement. For all these reasons, the Court should deny Narconon’s Motion in its entirety.

Well, we don’t know what the judge will find, but the impression we get is that Hamilton is quick to counter whatever move Narconon’s attorneys dish out.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 14, 2014 at 07:00

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  • 1subgenius

    One of my favorite words: prolix.

    • Ten Aug

      Prolixtology.

      • 1subgenius

        Pot meet kettle.
        Hubbard had no editor.

        • Once_Born

          That’s because he never needed editing (well… hardly ever…

          Robert Vaughn Young was the unfortunate (now-ex) Scientologist tasked with preparing “Mission Earth” for (vanity) publication. He hired an editor, who asked (via Young, because Hubbard was in hiding) if there were any parts of the story that Hubbard thought essential, so that he could be careful when cutting.

          Young recalled that:

          Hubbard went into this spiel about how his works hardly ever needed editing.
          Oh, yeah, he said, there was one time when he had to add something like
          (this is from memory), “‘Hiss,’ said the villain” at which point the editor was happy
          and that was about the only time he had to be edited
          so beware of anyone who says he needs editing.

          http://www.lermanet.com/cos/MissionEarth.htm

          • Observer

            Being dismissed was probably one of the best things that ever happened to that poor editor.

  • Tone

    Clearly the $cientology lawyers have never been exposed to the red vols if they think that this complaint is too wordy.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      They’ve obviously never read any of Blubbard’s lengthy totems. I’ll bet some of they’re own future submissions to the court will end up being extremely wordy.

  • Amovolare

    Probably frauding and killing people is just too short

  • Jack99

    Objection, your honor! We can’t do our dirty tricks since our opponent has already predicted them.

    • DodoTheLaser

      This ^^^.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Also, “science”.

      • DamOTclese2

        ROFL! Loved the way the dung heap enquoted the word, as if the scientific evaluations of Scientology’s frauds are to be dismissed merely because the evaluations were scientific, as if scientific facts are disdainful. :)

        Sounds like the lawyer is a brainless Scientology dumb fuck.

  • EnthralledObserver

    lol… this is almost as ironic as $cientology submitting the Anti-Slapp motion…

    • joan nieman

      Desperate fools.

  • pronoia

    Dismiss! Too many crimes! Too much evidence!

    • DamOTclese2

      Isn’t that ironic? Loved it. Complain to the Judge that one’s defendant clients are so profoundly criminal that the evidence is overwhelming ergo the case should be dismissed. :)

  • J. Swift

    Looks like Cult attorney S. Brent Vogel could use Narconon’s help: http://www.marconews.com/news/2010/dec/22/nevada-man-tased-pepper-sprayed-during-dui-arrest/

    • 1subgenius

      Are you shittin’ me?

      • NOLAGirl

        Makes me think he may have been high on something too. To even have the wherewithal to pull the electrodes out after you’ve been tased, yeah, that’s a lot of adrenaline or a lot of an adrenaline producing substance.

        • 1subgenius

          Tased, and then pepper sprayed, and smiling for his mug shot. Respect.
          Narconon can help with that.

          • NOLAGirl

            Bahahahahaha!!!

            • 1subgenius

              Actually I was going to say his title was strangely appropriate.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Maybe he is a Narconon graduate…

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            He was tenderized, seasoned and infused, ready for the oven. A slow burn in the sauna and straight to the chef for carving. Er, Registrar. Yea, that’s right. The Reg.

      • RMycroft

        The electricity is having no effect on Vogel-mon! Bring up the oxygen destroyers!

        • 1subgenius

          I laughed. Not quite out loud, but close. Shoulders and belly were involved.

          • RMycroft

            A Japanese sci-fi B monster movie. Lawyerzilla doesn’t afraid of anything, except too much homework…

          • Robert Eckert
            • TDA1541A

              lol Sith Lord

            • valshifter

              lol, those are the theta beams LRH talks about on his lectures, thanks for putting it on video I never understood them theta beams.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Wow

      • Jimmy3

        I have to admit that I am impressed.

        • 1subgenius

          btw “Are you shittin’ me?” is my new favorite exclamation.

          • DamOTclese2

            The best response is “I’m crapping you negative.”

          • Missionary Kid

            As the DIs used to say, “You can’t shit me, you’re my favorite turd.”

    • 1subgenius

      I’ve looked and it does appear to be the same.
      How many S. Brent Vogel attorneys are there in LV?

      Name: VOGEL, STEPHEN BRENT
      Charge: TRAFFIC OFFENSE-DUI ALCOHOL OR DRUGS 1ST OFF, RESIST OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
      Residence: LAS VEGAS
      Age: 43
      Occupation: LAWYER
      CCSO

      http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-brent-vogel/12/222/8b

    • EnthralledObserver

      OMG… no way! LOL!
      $cientology IS getting desperate if this is the same man as their defence attorney.

    • 1subgenius

      Same

      • Theodoric of York

        In one photo, he looks like a lawyer. In the other, he looks like a Scientology lawyer.

        • Farthingale

          And rather diminutive.

          • Missionary Kid

            Is diminutive a requirement for a $cion attorney?

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              No, probably just a “ruin” or two OSA Legal has identified or manufactured, along with a mugshot and arrest record in some law enforcement database.

              That’s the only “stature” Miscavige would be impressed by.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          BAM!

        • GaEagle1023 – Tom

          Arise – Sir Theodoric of York! Stand and be recognized

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            As I look at your avatar, I can’t help the notice the irony of your request.

            Might I suggest the same to you, to stand up and be recognized?

            May I suggest a few tips from Dear Leader himself?

            • GaEagle1023 – Tom

              Aha! So that is what they do with “Central Files”

        • http://www.Scientology.Org/ Tommy Davis

          Hey, you try working for David Miscavige without drinking.

      • NOLAGirl

        (refresh)

      • DamOTclese2

        Gods, he looks like a loser in both photos. I wonder if this clown ever draws a sober breath.

      • Barbara Angel

        I’d like to see ‘wee’ davey in an orange outfit like this.

    • 1subgenius

      Can’t say he isn’t a fighter.

      http://www.marconews.com/news/2010/dec/22/nevada-man-tased-pepper-sprayed-during-dui-arrest/

      The arresting deputy observed a vehicle veering in and out of its lane and conducted a traffic stop, but the driver refused to answer questions or get out of his vehicle, instead just saying “lawyer.” The deputy told the man, Vogel, he would have an opportunity to talk to a lawyer later, and ordered him out of the car.

      However, Vogel continued to refuse, holding onto the steering wheel and pulling away while a second deputy tried to help remove Vogel from the car. Eventually, the arresting deputy deployed his taser, but Vogel started removing the taser probes and trying to pull the taser away from the deputy. The deputy was struck with the electrical charge several times in the process.

      When the deputies got Vogel onto the ground to handcuff him, he continued to struggle, lying on his hands, so the deputy deployed a burst of pepper spray in Vogel’s face, at which point they successfully handcuffed him. The deputy requested EMS to respond to the scene and offer Vogel treatment, which he refused.

      Once at the jail, Vogel submitted to a breath test, blowing a blood-alcohol content of 0.167 and 0.165, roughly twice the legal limit of 0.08.

      • DamOTclese2

        The scumbag Scientology asshole put other people’s lives at risk driving while drunk. ASSHOLES! Scientology really does hire the filthy scum, the lowest shit bags they can find.

    • iCandy

      Excellent find!

    • RMycroft

      There’s a Ed Vogel who writes for the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Hopefully no relation.

      http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Ed_Vogel

      • 1subgenius

        Well that’s more than a little interesting.

        The article is no longer there, but here’s what’s at your site cite:

        Scientology Rehab: Guinn’s office not interested February 15, 2003, Ed Vogel, Las Vegas Review-Journal

        “The governor’s office wants nothing to do with a Republican assemblywoman’s plan to have female inmates submit to a drug rehabilitation program developed by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, a spokesman said Friday.

        Greg Bortolin, press secretary to Gov. Kenny Guinn, said the administration is “moving in another direction” in its inmate drug rehabilitation efforts.

        He added that neither Corrections Director Jackie Crawford nor any members of her staff will take additional trips to an Ensenada, Mexico, prison to review the controversial drug rehabilitation program that uses sauna and massage treatment.

        The Arizona state government rejected the program last year because of its $15,000-per-inmate cost and because program sponsors did not track participants once they left prison.”

    • El Con Blubbard

      Good work J. Swift. Apply the “tech” on the cult and their attorney’s. I love it!

      But to his defense – wouldn’t you drink too if you were representing the most evil cult in the World today. This guy probably became an attorney to HELP people get justice. How ironic – that is what Scientology and Narconon promised too. Birds of a feather – flock together!

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      I can easily imagine Miscavige keeping a special purpose iPad (in Lou’s
      purse, of course) which displays the mug shots, arrest records, court
      case and decisions of nearly every lawyer and judge working in states
      where the cult has an Org, front group, school, or any other business
      interest. An iPad whose database also includes the “ruins” and “dirty”
      data the cult’s private investigators and OSA goons have culled through
      the years with their traditional cloak and dagger ops such as going
      through household garbage; befriending neighbors, friends, family,
      coworkers, clients; and getting phone, medical or financial records,
      etc., of each potential new legal hire.

      When the cult needs to
      “buy” a new lawyer or needs to put a judge on “retainer” for upcoming
      cases, I imagine Miscavige hollering at Lou to hand him the “special”
      computer tablet, along with a snifter of scotch, so he can relax and
      enjoy the process of going through mug shots and arrest records of
      lawyers, such you found on Vogel, and judges, such as the Bunkerites
      found on Judge Farnell, to choose which one has the “best” ruin to
      manage an upcoming court case.

      OFF TOPIC, PM: The videos Karen,
      you, and Angry Gay Pope et al are making just keep getting better. It’s
      hard to believe the quality and quantity that have been produced at
      http://www.youtube.com/user/SurvivingScientology/about in just over a
      year. The two of you make a formidable team. Congratulations and a
      belated Happy First Year Anniversary (March 27th)!

      Thank you for
      all that you and Karen do to expose this cult, to educate the
      Bunker, the public, and the authorities, and for all the help and support you give to
      members who have managed to escape or walk out in disgust, disillusionment, AND fear. Please know, both your and Karen’s portraits are
      prominently and proudly
      displayed on the walls of our “Bunker Heroes Gallery.”

      OFF
      TOPIC II, PM II: The poster you made glorifying Dear Leader and GAT II
      is perfection. I believe some newer Bunker readers might not be familiar
      with the site and may have missed it, so I’m an providing a link –
      http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2014/04/13/ask-chairman-dave/ But I’m also
      making a formal request for you to consider posting it here in the
      Bunker so all can marvel and enjoy it. It’s hard to imagine how that can
      be topped! Sincere thanks for that as well.

      And finally, another huge THANKS for last week’s “Shock Dox” and I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of them as they surface.

      • i-Betty

        The perfect comment :)

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Thanks, i-Betty. BTW, it’s always such a pleasure to see your avatar in the Bunker. It’s also reassuring to see that things are OK with you.

          Sending you a great big smile – right back at ya! :-)

          • i-Betty

            Thank you, Cars! You always bring a smile to my face :) xxx

    • Jgg2012

      Did he use Narconon?

      • DamOTclese2

        Is he he one of NarCONon’s 6.6% success stories? I would like to know also.

    • DamOTclese2

      I love it when Scientology assholes get Tazered. What a filthy scumbag. Should be 1 year prison term for first offense, 5 years second, execution on the third offense. (I hate drunk drivers.)

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I am surprised he is still practicing law. Many states would have suspended or revoked his license. Nevada…

      • Ernie Gordon

        A check of the Nevada state bar website shows no disciplinary action. I wonder if he self-reported the arrest? That is compulsory in California. Nevada may not police its attorneys to the same extent.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          That bothers me. He resisted arrest and assaulted the arresting officer. Many states would suspend his license for that kind of outrageous behavior. The DUI by itself would probably not be enough to cause a license suspension (except in some states there is mandatory jail time and that makes it a bigger deal).

          I am surprised the prosecutor didn’t report the arrest to the bar. In some states failure to report bad acts by fellow attorneys can be cause for the bar to investigate the attorney(s) that failed to report.

    • http://www.Scientology.Org/ Tommy Davis

      Hey! HEY! You know how hard it is to find REAL lawyers who are willing to work for Scientology?! You religious bigots seem to think David can just phone up any lawyer and get them on board with Scientology’s crimes and abuses, but because Scientology is fighting against drug companies and drug dealers and SMERSH it’s REAL hard getting REAL lawyers willing to work for Scientology. So stop your J&D.

    • DamOTclese2

      Are there any rules about lawyers showing up in court drunk? I guess the Judge can impose sanctions and fines and put the clown in jail for contempt, perhaps, yet I hope law enforcement officers are keeping an eye on this guy driving around.

  • Observer

    I like this Ryan Hamilton.

  • Graham

    Your honor, they are obviously trying to swamp us with detail. It’s like the purpose of their suit is to harass and discourage rather than win. As your Honor will be aware, the law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway will generally be sufficient to cause professional decease, or even utter ruin. We plead with your Honor not to allow them to do this- basically because we’ve already copyrighted this strategy.

    • chukicita

      And it’s skripture.

    • Robert Eckert

      Hamilton is squirreling the tech!

      • Jgg2012

        This is scripture (even though we don’t have a God). It’s highly secretive (even though it’s all over the internet). Peaches Geldof did not die because of it (neither did Lisa McPherson, Jett Travolta and many others). And, whatever you do, do not depose David Miscavige!

  • Narapoid

  • Espiando

    So, in the last six months, attorneys representing the cult have done the following:

    1) Requested a psychiatric deposition of a plaintiff.
    2) Requested coverage under SLAPP laws because a plaintiff allegedly harassed them.
    3) Requested dismissal of a suit because it’s too long.

    The miasma of cynicism and hypocrisy is so thick you could choke on it.

    • Ten Aug

      Or build an empire on it.

    • RMycroft

      They haven’t tried to have Ryan Hamilton removed from the case? Did someone miss a spot on the checklist?

      • Espiando

        I was going more for the hypocritical stuff they’ve done. Trying to dismiss an attorney and/or judge from a case is SOP for them.

        • Jgg2012

          I bet their going through Hamilton’s trash right now.

      • Jgg2012

        That’s next–disqualify him, the judge, the witnesses, the jurors…

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      I hope Miscavige is the one who chokes on it.

    • Mooser

      “The miasma of cynicism and hypocrisy is so thick you could choke on it.”

      Yeah, it really only leaves you two choices, don’t it?

    • RMycroft

      It rather fugs of it.

      The hub or nerve centre of the coach business was a big shed next to the stable. It smelled – no, it stank – no, it fugged of horses, leather, veterinary medicine, bad coal, brandy and cheap cigars. That’s what a fug was. You could have cut cubes out of the air and sold it for cheap building material.
      - Terry Pratchett, Going Postal.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Pratchett would be the ideal candidate to write satire on the Evil Clampire.
        Although sometimes their “truth” exceeds the wildest excesses of his fiction.

        • Missionary Kid

          “Although sometimes their “truth” exceeds the wildest excesses of his fiction.”

          Sad and horrifying, isn’t it?

  • kemist

    Shorter version :

    Halp us Mr. Judge, they is using science against us !

  • chukicita

    Hub wrote millions of words. His cult submitted 12 linear feet of documents in response to the IRS’s questions in its tax exemption war in 1993. But this Narconon complaint is tl:dr?

    • 1subgenius

      The tl;dr version: (reminds me of the scene in “Planes, Trains and Automobiles” where they explain the ordeal they’ve just survived, and the counter guy replies drolly:)
      “You’re fucked.”

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Counter gal. Played by the inimitable Edie McClurg.

        • Missionary Kid

          She’s such a hoot because she appears to play everything so straight – until she delivers a devastatingly funny line in a deadpan manner.

        • 1subgenius
        • GalacticGreg

          Some truly wonderful performances of minor but memorable characters.

  • Sunny Sands

    The Cherch submitted 18,000 pages of evidence in Laura D.’s forced abortion case. Laura’s team countered with 928 pages of new filings. Lewis, Brisbois et al whine about a 120-page complaint. They are going to get a lesson in what lengthy means.

    • NOLAGirl

      I hope the Judges tells them “this is what you went to law school for….denied” :)

  • kemist

    Is this narconon’s lawyer ?

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx32b5igLwA

  • mightandglory

    Unbelievable and yet not surprising.

    • joan nieman

      This ” takes the caek”.

  • NOLAGirl

    I look forward to this case going to court (assuming it does) just to find out what the Judge says when he finds out the “Medical Professionals” running this place got their “licenses” from Hubtards Doctor in a box Course.

    Good luck with all that Co$.

  • Mark

    “Too detailed”? Oh, this is priceless! (refresh):

    • 1subgenius

      They just don’t want that shit in the record, but now they go and Streisand it.

    • 1subgenius

      And if he’s ordered to amend it they will say its too short.
      And then they will claim that its too medium. (credit to W.C. Fields)

      • Missionary Kid

        Ah, yes. The Goldilocks defense.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Beat me to it…

          • Missionary Kid

            Great minds, and all that…

            • Captain Howdy

              Ever do any boondoggling?

            • Missionary Kid

              Not formally.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              No one cares what you were wearing…

            • Missionary Kid

              But it was such a beautiful, low cut strapless number!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I’m sure it was fetching.

            • Missionary Kid

              If you need a drink, I’ll fetch it for you.

          • Sherbet

            Me, too. I was just about to say that. Only with scientology in the courtroom, there’s never any “just right.” They always want more/different information.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              In the current Church of Scientology there, is, however, a baby bear.

      • RMycroft

        If it’s a happy medium, ask the judge to strike.

  • iCandy

    You know what happens next: Cof$ tries to hire Ryan Hamilton to silence him.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Poor Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith.. Obviously, they are suffering from a severe case of ADD.. they should just quit whining, take their Adderall, and get to work.. Whiney babies..

    • Captain Howdy

      “Obviously, they are suffering from a severe case of ADD”

      All Day Drunk?

      • DamOTclese2

        He works for Scientology, reason enough to be a filthy drunk… but not reason enough to drive drunk putting innocent people’s lives at risk.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      What they REALLY object to is Miscavige’s insistence that they use the new 10,000% on Source “tech” to word clear every single word in the 120 page document according to Miscavige’s new GAT II dictionaries (10,000% on Source II, too).

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lol.. Yah, that could be rough..

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    • Panopea Abrupta

      Got ya.

    • Juicer77

      Whacked a bunch.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Thanx, go look for updates by scrolling on down if you have time :)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    “and make other arguments that Hamilton’s complaint for the Tarrs goes on too long.”

    What has gone on too long is the fraud, lying, deception and unscientific garbage that is Narconon.

    People are dying while $cientology is lying.

  • 1subgenius

    Narconon: before and after.
    (You know which is which)

  • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Natalia 2.0

    Karen’s new vid has me on a Sere Obolonsky tear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLkGbLNaaTg

    • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Natalia 2.0

      Serge Obolonsky. Neil talks about him at 0:55

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAl7LiJ3hlo

    • flyonthewall

      Jesus, that’s freakin horrible. That’s a real life horror show right there. I don’t like having seen that at all. Graphic illustration of the undiluted purely evil nature of $cientology.

      • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Natalia 2.0

        I know, I’m sorry. I was just in Los Angeles yesterday. I walked by skid row while downtown buying fabric and visited my sister who lives in a hipster bungalow next to a squatter’s camp under a freeway overpass on the east side. Both of those places are HORRIBLE. Full of suffering people, mental illness and misery and yet this vid and those screams are just wrenching for some reason.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          That is frightening but thank you for posting it. What and evil evil organization. I am glad that Serge got help.

        • flyonthewall

          No need to apologize. It’s a gem and the connection with Neil’s story is awesome. I guess my ability to confront evil is not as strong as I thought. That was a real glimpse into a $cn Dante’s Inferno, shudder

    • GalacticGreg

      Davey Miscavige’s puke pus pathetic patter – his tiny little group of loons “… activate the multitudes” to combat psychiatry.

      Yeah. Right. Activate the multitudes. There is no bigger (or littler, depending) piece of shit pretending to be human than David Savage Miscavige.

    • GalacticGreg

      the footage of the ex-Sea Orgrer is devastating.
      $cientology Inc. is *always* worse than anyone has yet imagined.
      Super good new video from Karen. Thank you, Nat2 for posting :-)

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Serge’s story is so sad. I’m glad he got help to get off the streets.

      Seeing your video reminded me of other times when I was in scientology and I saw this bombing and hanging and blowing up and burning down imagery used in the context of “destroying psychiatry.”

      The imagery disgusted me then and horrifies me now. After I got out of scientology I learned about the story of Keith Hensen who had made a comment that was a play-on-words on Tom Cruise’s name. He may have even just been commenting on it, a joke about a “Tom Cruise Missile.”

      Keith Henson was attacked by scientology over this obviously joking reference and spent time in jail over it because scientology claimed it was a “threat.” and he did not have the resources to adequately defend himself against scientology’s allegation.

      So, I really fail to see why these pervasive images of bombs and fire and grenades and hanging and a rhetoric of “Destruction” and “Annihilation” and “Dismembering” mental help groups and psychiatrists and psychologists are not just reason charging David Miscavige and scientology for making threats of bodily harm and murder. I really think that mental health groups should get lawyers and go after them about these very public and graphic threats.

      • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Natalia 2.0

        Mental Health groups probably don’t want to ‘Streisand’ the War on Psychs. Which makes a lot of sense. I don’t like that mental illness is so stigmatized. It keeps people from getting truly life-altering therapy and medication. Scientology isn’t the root cause of this stigma, but it contributes — and people suffer. They add to the prejudice out there that mentally ill people are bad people and not trying hard enough to be like everybody else.

      • GalacticGreg

        In addition to Nat2′s points down-thread, the mental health groups, many of the ones in EUS area in particular, don’t even see $cientology Inc. on their radar at all; not even the slightest blip.

        $ciloonery is so small and insignificant in global behavioral health services as to be invisible.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Nearly 120 pages of detailed information? What a piker! No wonder Scientology is objecting.

    Lawrence Wright was given 47 binders full when Scientology’s own lawyers were merely countering his questions for a magazine article for the New Yorker:

    “When you wrote The New Yorker article that was the kicking off of this book, it’s about Paul Haggis’ defection from Scientology, you had to do extensive fact checking. You sent over 900 questions, I think, to the church. And they responded by showing up with 47 binders and a team of lawyers.”
    – Transcript, KCRW interview ( http://www.kcrw.com/etc/lawrence-wright )

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    These objections are not without historical precedence:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoY0Qa0zU0A

    • Mooser

      Ah yes, that scene from “Amadeus’ reminds me of the time that Erasmus met St Thomas Aquinas, and Aquinas challenged Erasmus’ “historical reference”.

    • Mooser

      “Too many notes”? That’s absurd. Be-bop was still two hundred years away.

  • ze moo

    Brisbois, Bisgaard & Smith have used the time honored tactic of delay. Don’t be surprised if the judge throws out a paragraph of 2 from the original complaint, just to keep the clams in the game. The original complaint is so damning that any defense is going to be very difficult. I love references to ‘scientific’ in the reply, can’t have real ‘science’ getting involved in this clam scam.

    Hamiliton 5 NarCONon 1.

  • aquaclara

    Scientology arguing for SHORT
    Is a multi-layered irony sandwich.

    Especially in court.

  • Douglas D. Douglas
  • t1kk

    The problem with NN’s argument is that FRCP Rule 9(b) requires plaintiffs alleging fraud to plead it “with particularity,” as compared with other matters which can be generally alleged. Hamilton’s complaints would be “too detailed” if he wasn’t pleading fraud. I don’t think I’ve read them all but I’m pretty sure they all do.

  • dagobarbz

    Heh heh. Tarrs suing Narconon, how amusing. I have relatives named Tarr. Heh. Also hey, isn’t this the organization that hauls out every irrelevancy they can find to throw at the courts, and THEY’RE complaining? Weird gambit.

  • Richard Grant

    There’s a good read on the South African blog, backincomm.wordpress.com — an “under the radar” leaked a doc showing the Pretoria Ideal Org hasn’t paid for municipal services (water, electricity, etc) for two years, now owes in excess of 1.1 million Rand, or roughly $110,000 US.

    Pretoria is one of the newest ideal orgs, and maybe the first where David Miscavige failed to show up for the grand opening.

    If you don’t read the South African blog regularly, you may find it an interesting place: quite distinct from US- or European-based blogs. For one thing, although there is a single (semi-anonymous) host, many of the posts are written by guest bloggers, mostly from the local “ex” community. Secondly, being a smallish community, most of the bloggers and commenters know each other personally. And lastly, most contributors have not been “out” very long, and many or most still consider themselves real Scientologists, believers in LRH and the tech.

    This combination gives rise to entertaining conversation. In a recent post & comment thread, a recently out contributor sailed off on a remarkable tangent about the Catholic Church, whose crude notions of immortality are definitely second-rate compared to what we KNOW about being an immortal Thetan, thanks to LRH. It’s an interesting window into a feisty and energized community, for sure.

    • DamOTclese2

      Their empty “Orgs” have been getting seized by citizens and are getting turned in to brothels.

  • California

    I have found that thoroughness, facts and persistence works in dealing with Narconon-related matters…. bogus drug education or bogus rehabilitation programs.

    Ryan Hamilton is covering all of his bases….. and is not that what an excellent attorney is supposed to do?

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I just caught up with the news about the “big” event for the Dianetics anniversary this year. No Shrine. (Fun idea: Send protestors to the darkened Shrine on the night of the event with banners saying, “We’re winning!” Or just, “We won!”)

    Instead of a tedious clap-fest for COB, there will be a “street fair” on LRH Way with tricked out cars, “miracle stories” (biggest miracle of the night will be if they actually fill up LRH Way…) and a Dianetics volcano climbing wall for the kids.

    A Dianetics volcano climbing wall for the kids.

    Please, those of you who were in, explain this to me. As I understand it (I risked pneumonia, mental illness and death to find this out), the “Dianetics volcano” hearkens back to the incident in which Xenu cruelly murdered billions of innocents by stacking them up in volcanos and blowing them to smithereens. The sight of that volcano is supposed to create a sense of dread– a horrified fascination that is imbedded deeply in our racial memories, and lives on in the hapless Thetans who infest us. And now, this potent emblem of Source’s death-defying research is being presented as a climbing wall for KIDS???

    Am I missing something here?

    • ze moo

      No, triple D, you caught it correctly. All the kids climbing the volcano will have their Xenu ‘engrams’ re-stimulated and require much auditing to clean it out. Just another money making scheme from the people who brought you ‘engrams’.

      • Mooser

        And, should any clumsy, enthata and enturbulating child be so rotten as to fall off the climbing volcano, ‘touch assists’ will be freely available.

        • ze moo

          Didn’t that kind of stuff get the Boy Scouts and Catholic Church in trouble?

      • Captain Howdy

        Yeah, Hubbard purposefully put the volcano and other images like my AV on the books to restimulate whole track memories.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I get it!

        So why not go whole hog and serve up snacks:

        • TDA1541A

          Yum

    • Observer

      You have an MU on “kids.” You’re thinking of them in wog terms, when in actuality they are ancient Thetans in small meat sacks.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      No, other than the desperate for staff angle.

    • Techie

      DDD, you are confusing the real purpose of the volcano with the PR purpose. In all the ads that use the volcano, the idea is that Dianetics exploded onto the scene like an erupting volcano, taking the publishing world by storm and sweeping all other self-help titles before it in a tsunami of popularity, unequaled before or since. So it makes perfect sense that the young “skulls full of mush” have an uproariously good time scaling the Dianetics volcano, in a symbolic precursor to later life, when they will be buried in the cognitive dissonance of it like a lava flow of pure dreck. Strangely, few publishers and no actual customers are aware of this volcano of popularity in 1950, before most of them were born. So how they expect to use this as positioning is beyond me. But LRH said it, so it must be so.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Per what I have read on the use of the various images on the books, they were designed to “restimulate” the engrams or incidents on the whole track. In this way they would be more aware of their ‘ruin’ and more susceptible to the scientology pitch.

        That includes the volcano. Saying it exploded on the scene is an internal shore story for those who were not yet exposed to the xenu story.

        hubbard is quoted as saying something like: People respond to the same things that harmed them. I don’t know the exact quote. But it was in the context of why people elect their slavers and why using charged whole track imagery as a lead in was ok.

        • Techie

          I agree on the the use and history of the symbol, but then why have a volcano climbing wall? Are they trying to kill off these kids with pneumonia? Or are they just so mired in cognitive dissonance that they can’t see the problem? It boggles the mind.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Sometimes a climbing wall is just a climbing wall.

            Yes, the ones that realize the volcano is a whole track restimulative symbol can’t really tell the ones that don’t, not to use it. It’s a volcano because someone had the bright idea to use the volcano because it has been on dianetics books for years.

            They can’t really say, uh, don’t use that. ‘Cause then they’d have to say it is a symbol from the upper levels and can cause case problems. That would give away that scientology uses known deliberate restimulation (making you sick and upset) in order to sell dianetics and scientology which pretends to cure sickness and upset.

            You know that is what the dissem formula and ruin finding is all about I am sure. Stick them in their ruin, restimulate the shit out of them and then offer them a ‘helping hand.’

            It’s like a guy who sells his superior swimming lessons going to the beach and half drowning people so they realize they need his lessons. It’s criminal.

            • Qbird

              to see through the b.s. so clearly, must, in many ways, be a great relief, yes Michael?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              It is a relief because I can mostly comprehend what was done to me. It’s sad because the more clearly I see it, I can see that it’s pattern has been exported to places like the republican party, other cults, etc.

              Viewed as a system, it will self destruct because it’s hubbard’s narcissistic anti-social personality made flesh, and it, just like hubbard, had no effective negative feedback mechanism to keep the excesses in check. The needle swings ever more widely between paranoia and aggression.

              No system survives that has a lack of negative feedback. It goes out of control and blows up. As in the current economic system: there is no effective brake on money controlling political power in the us, now that they seem to own the supreme court.

              Viewed as a virus, it slowly kills the host while tricking it to infect others.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Extremely cogent viewpoint – I agree completely.
              Clever bastard, wasn’t he
              Made millions out of his madness.
              The kicker is the madness won.

            • Qbird

              Hello there dear. I see things in this way too MLT. Relief but also on occasion I feel a very great sorrow, for others, but also for myself as well, eh?!.

              ah! life! It ain’t for the faint of heart. let us never give up.

              Q: Michael, if I sent something to you @ this old po 2753 @ 97339 – would you get it?

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thanks. I go through a gamut of emotions about it and yes as you say.

              And my dream brain is still gaming scenarios to try to figure it out.

              That is my current and valid mailing address.

            • Qbird

              Tks, good to know – will put in mail & send. 2 maybe 3 days to get to you.
              i am hoping you will receive before your trip to Flag Down. ? !
              cheers Michael! :-)

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thanks! Yea, I should still be around when it comes.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Nice! I got it today. Love the T. The other will help with the trip. Thanks so much! I’m sure I will have lots of fun there and meet wonderful people.

            • Qbird

              Cool! Bon Voyage Doll – thank you for all you do – I’ll “see” you & the others there. ;)
              oh yes – have some fun in the Florida Sun!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Keep it short, that’s what FiveOne wants

    Just X the living crap out of ‘em

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-73#post-2445269
    ty ap

  • Mary_McConnell

    Thanks for the update, Tony. I love Ryan Hamiltom! So glad we have him taking cases from NV and CA. He’s one of a handful who take on the challenge for victims of the program. Narconon has no clue what it’s up against. Hamilton has been following the Narconon scam for some time, keeping abreast of information revealed in other lawsuits across the USA, information gained from depositions, interrogatories and followed how those cases went. He’s been willing to take cases because he knows what the program and what it’s staff have been doing to student / patients and paying loved ones.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It is so heartening to see the new lawyers learning now to not BE the bait.

      http://i.imgur.com/Us7jXg2l.jpg

      • Narapoid

        They smell the blood. 1.2 billion in fixed and ? more liquid. Didn’t CSI claim to have “more than enough” for Mosey to settle. Hey, all you sharks out there, the IAS is dedicated to raise money for litigation. Come and get some.

        This may be the first time in my life I am cheering for lawyers…

    • Observer

      I’d love to see Tony interview him one day.

    • aquaclara

      I love hearing-and seeing-this. Just as we cheer the journalists who dig in and run with the stories, we’re now seeing something similar happen with lawyers.

      It’s rewarding to see this, and gives me hope that we’ll see results soon.

      And here, it looks. Like Hambo has enough of a sense of humor to help carry him through the rough spots.

      Too long? Really?

  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    With the new-found willingness of Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige to sacrifice whole branches of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology[1], it’s well spotted! on the part of talented autourneys who spot an opportunity to right a wrong (or a few dozen).

    [1] So CSI “has a black heart” and wants to be compared to extremist organisations? The same CSI that had a book value in 2011 of more than 3/4 billion? Well, alrighty then…

    • ze moo

      While NarCONon provides a very nice living for the franchisee, it only pays corporate CO$ about 8 million dollars a year. At some point it will become too expensive if corporate has to pay anything. Eight mill is just a drop in the bucket for the clampire, its only real use is public relations and making the clams feel good about their ‘public service’.

      I doubt that CO$ will ever pay for a NarCONon law suit. The individual NarCONons are incorporated and they remain the defendant. Hamilton is also suing unknown corps, but national NarCONon is not yet named.

      • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

        well, the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientololgy may only have raked in 8 million $ from narCONon each year, but what happens to the deep pockets of the Co$ when a lawsuit decides to look at where responsibility lies and starts following the money? In particular after a fraudulent bankrupcy or two?

  • BeezleBobby

    The “it’s too long and rambling” gambit is a dodge for NN’s real concern: they absolutely do not want the relationship between NN and Scientology practises to be discussed in open court. That’s why they’re telling the Judge, “they can sue us, but leave that Scientology stuff (which of course is completely irrelevant) out of it.”

    • Missionary Kid

      “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.” Anything to hide the direct link between Co$ and NarCONon.

  • Missionary Kid

    Here are TWO RESOURCES FOR $CIENTOLOGY TERMINOLOGY for those of us who have never been in $cientology:
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1048137.ece

  • DamOTclese2

    Hey! How DARE Hamilton describe in full detail David’s felonies and human rights abuses?! That’s so totally unfair! Judge, make him stop it, would ya?

  • Jgg2012

    Just so you know, if Ryan Hamilton’s complaints were shorter, they would have said “not detailed enough” and “too vague”. This happened with the Georgia class action and Dandar’s federal wrongful death case–details were missing, so no prima facie case was made.
    RH is obviously a seasoned litigator (like Jeffrey and Babbitt) and knows how to respond to specious arguments.

    • vistaril_LOL

      loquacity,prolixity ,loghorrea and rambling deranged bullshit are copyright RTC (Hubbtard Enterprises)!

  • TDA1541A

    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detoxbookpt2.htm
    “What is the Narconon programme? The New Life Detoxification Program Picture Book: Last updated 11 December 2002″ (more pictures on the website)

    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/images/fallout1.gif

  • ShoopZ

    Tweets to the Twit (or Twat if you prefer). (refresh)

    • ShoopZ

      (refresh)

    • ShoopZ

      Another (refresh)

  • DamOTclese2

    Is this the lawyer Drunk Driver DUI Tazer Pepper Sprayed who filed the complaint maybe?

    J. Swift fonnd this. Love J. Swift’s 1337 sk111s.

  • Jgg2012

    As for length, complaints usually are short (a few pages) but have exhibits that are long. Maybe you cite a personnel manual, or a contract, or part of a deposition transcript, which is often 100 pages long. If you cite an out of state case, you need to provide that also (and that may be 100 pages long). This is only long because Narconon’s procedures and fraud scheme are so intricate.

  • vistaril_LOL

    I do love the proliferating lawsuits. I hope in a year therera will be more and more and people will be thinking – “This strange religion is getting sued left and right – wonder why?” And what do many people do to get informed? – Googlez of course!

    Tick Tock, Dwarfenfuehrer…..

  • Jimmy3

    Off topic, but relating to one of Teegeeack’s greatest Scientological Thinkers, Jaden Smith. I thought it was pretty funny:
    http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/jaden-smiths-tweets-helped-me-hit-on-girls-on-tinder-1560506895/+robharvilla

    • Missionary Kid

      Ah, a young, budding, Chauncey Gardiner.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I hear more scientologists wondering if their Ideal Org is just a facade for the IAS slush fund. Two in South Africa are catching on.
    Hellooooo! No, it’s not just your shell, I mean org.

    http://i.imgur.com/13Tle2Bl.jpg

    • Missionary Kid

      Hey, that’s every org.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh my. First no MV event, then no Auditor’s event, now May 9 event no Shrine, but hey, a carnival on Hubbard Way, but IAS reg events are Every day, Ever Hour! Wake up people!

      http://i.imgur.com/DTh7vcGl.jpg

      • TDA1541A

        Awesome Demo

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    “Hamilton quickly responded with his own filing,
    explaining that his complaint — while within federal guidelines for
    length — was describing a “bizarre, elaborate fraudulent scheme.”

    RH nails it once again!

  • Panopea Abrupta
  • Jgg2012

    btw, everyone, stop saying “Scientology lawyers”! Narconon says it is NOT part of Scientology. Look here.

    (http://www.narconon.org/about-narconon/faq.html).
    (and don’t look here, http://exposescientology.com/irs/scientology-irs-closing-agreement.pdf on page 55, line 1)..

    • RMycroft

      What a joke of a “media archive” Narconon has on their site! They have the nerve to post a 1988 letter from Newkirk mayor Gary Bilger in favor of Narconon but forget to mention that as soon as he found out the truth, he was a solid foe of Narconon Chilocco.

      Drug center has Newkirk in uproar July 10, 1989, Scott McCartney, Tulsa World

      I’m tempted to take a copy of their “archive” and debunk each claim or mark as unverifiable.

    • i-Betty

      That second document is great.

    • Jimmy3

      From Narconon’s “Marijuana Addiction” page comes this great photo of modern “marijuana pipes.” Because, you know, most stoners these days are smoking the “wacky tobacky” in some sort of WW2-era dungeon.

      • kemist

        Ah, you need a pipe to smoke pot now?

        Nobody ever tells me anything.

        • Baby

          UH or a hookah..shhhhhhhh

  • Robert Eckert

    OT: George Martin explains that the death of Joffrey was inspired by Eustace the Useless, son of Stephen the Usurper, choking to death on a plate of lampreys, or possibly being poisoned, after massacring a monastery (the Bunker had a period a year ago when we discussed this event, and lampreys, and related weird deaths, at length):

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/13/george-r-r-martin-why-joffrey-killed/

    • Captain Howdy

      Uh Robert, some of us still haven’t watched last nights episode. Sheesh.

      • Ardent

        Seconded. Shhhh!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        SPOILER ALERT!

        The whole thing is FICTION.

    • Espiando

      Stephen wasn’t a usurper. He had the two qualifications required to be a monarch of England in the 1130s: a claim to the throne as William the Conqueror’s grandchild, and a penis. The other claimant had only one of those.

      • Robert Eckert

        I remain a Maud partisan. The nobles of England had all sworn to recognize her succession, including Stephen, so he was perjuring his own oath by taking the crown. Female succession to the whole of England had never come up before, but Aethelfleda the Lady of Mercia had inherited one of the major constituent kingdoms, and then married Edward the Elder of Wessex, and all subsequent kings of England held Mercia by virtue of Aethelfleda’s right, so Stephen ought at least to have ceded Mercia to Maud even if he claimed that no female could have Wessex.

        • Espiando

          Well, your citing of Athelflaeda has one big problem with it, namely that you have the relationships wrong. Athelflaeda and Edward the Elder were both children of Alfred the Great, so if they were married, it was Wincest Time.

          Aethelfleda was married to Athelred of Mercia, who was appointed into his position by Alfred and acted as Alfred’s governor in Mercian territory (rather than as king in his own right). After Athelred’s death, Athelflaeda was kept in her position by her brother Edward, since there was no one better (she was very much respected and loved by the Mercians and definitely picked up how to be a good leader from her father, who made sure she was educated). When she died, her only child was a teenage daughter, Elfwynn. Uncle Edward decided to relieve Elfwynn of her burden of leadership by annexing Mercia.

          tl;dr: Penis.

          • Robert Eckert

            My bad, then.

          • Jimmy3

            You two are both wrong. Most of Westeros believes he is the firstborn son of Robert Baratheon, when he is actually the result of Jaime and Cersei Lannister’s incestuous relationship. It’s not as complicated as you are making it out to be.

            • Mooser

              First, Jesus and the boys in the garden of Gethsemane, and now this. Maybe things are indeed less complicated then I thought. Thanks, Jimmy3 !

            • Robert Eckert

              Uh, we were not discussing fictitious characters in Westeros, we were discussing actual characters in the formative period of England. I had the impression that Aethelfleda was the daughter and heiress of Athelred of Mercia, and that Edward of Essex annexed Mercia by marrying her. Espi has pointed out that I have that completely garbled.

            • Jimmy3

              Uh, ok. But no one from House Mercia is even close to sitting on the Iron Throne. I’d be surprised if anyone from Mercia has even seen a painting of the Iron Throne.

  • Jgg2012

    “he lays out the history of Narconon and its many deceptions with detailed citations” I think he is about to get a goldenrod SP declare in the mail.

  • media_lush

    with thanks to 1subgenius here is an easy to understand pic that highlights the lulz behind this case!

    • i-Betty

      Brilliantness!

    • DamOTclese2

      Now watch Vogel file an amended complaint begging leave because he was drunk when he complained about the evidence against his client being too overwhelming earlier.

    • DamOTclese2

      You would think that the fastest-growing “religion” on Teegeeack could afford lawyers who aren’t filthy drunk drivers, huh?

    • Jgg2012

      Notice how hard its getting for Scientology, excuse me, for Narconon to find anyone willing to represent them?

  • i-Betty

    A little update from my Swedish friend who is a brilliant, dedicated psychiatrist. I sent her a link to Karen’s latest video about psychiatry in scientology which was posted here in the comments earlier today. She said:

    “That was insane! (Pun intended.) But is that hallelujah moment when the masses arise and rain down godly fire upon…er – me… supposed to already have happened or are we still waiting for it?

    Anyway, that is truly the stuff of nightmares. How DARE they put people through this? Besides, that man [DM] sure checks a few boxes in my diagnosis manual and should, therefore, by his own measures, be deemed an ‘illegal pc’.”

    PS. I told her she might have made a bit more effort to notice her utter obliteration.

    Edit to include the link. She was referring to the section leading up to 1:15 – http://youtu.be/MLkGbLNaaTg

    • Espiando

      Apparently, he agrees with you on the illegal PC part, since he hasn’t been in session in over twenty years.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks. This is funny and true.

    • Ardent

      Wow. Yet another reason to despise that cult. Thanks Karen for all these great short insights. You’re a good woman, and I admire you. I hope you read this. Thank God the poor young man found help through the City and State. His suffering was a torment to watch.

  • Jgg2012

    I once saw a patent application that was 600 pages. It cited no prior art, no cases and no writings, nor did it say how the invention could be made. Needless to say, the patent application was rejected. These Narconon complaints are 20 pages long (“over 100 paragraphs”) which is a normal length, but have citations. Lots of citations. Too many. We’re supposed to ignore the man behind the curtain.

    • Missionary Kid

      Ah, those meaningless $cion stats. They don’t cite pages, but paragraphs. I’m surprised they didn’t cite number of sheetrock sheets.

      • Jgg2012

        How about the number of letters in the document.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s real $cion tech/math/irrelevant statistics.

  • Ardent

    Well, Idk about the law particularly, but complaint that a submission is too long or detailed strikes me as absurd, personally. I suppose if one were to file a complaint that ran to hundreds of pages, being unreasonably prolix, yes, that might make a judge ask for an amended concise complaint, nailing the salient points in a tidy fashion. ‘Hundreds,of paragraphs’ does not strike me as onerous, unreasonable or silly, particularly given the nature of the scam being taken to court. I like this Hamilton guy – not afraid to run right at the bull.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Now, 47 binders full of dreck… that would be excessive.

      Unless you were working under the direction of the Dainty Miss, in which case bringing 47 binders full of dreck is a brilliant, brilliant application of the infallible Tech.

    • 1subgenius

      He did the hardest work of all: thinking.
      And it not only is a lot of work to research, edit, and write that much, you better make it accurate, or it will come back to bite you in the ass. Real hard. And that hurts.

    • 1subgenius

      “….might make a judge ask for an amended concise complaint, nailing the salient points in a tidy fashion.”
      And, believe it or not, most of the time (90% +) this is accomplished informally between the lawyers, if there is actual confusion (as opposed to scorched earth policy):
      “Hey Bill, what’s the break this down for me?” And they will talk.

      Often the defense attorney does know less than the plaintiff attorney, whose client has told him a lot of the detail that the defendant may never even eventually get around to telling their attorney (and vice versa), or that the defense attorney’s investigation might not reveal.
      Some difference here is that all of this basic information is available to the defense attorney.
      A wrinkle here is that anyone with a brain cell knows that all of the allegations are very likely to be true.
      So, what would your strategy be if you were Mr. “Don’t tase me again, or pepper spray me” Vogel?

  • DamOTclese2

    This dimwitted lawyer putting the word “science” in quotes, does he think he’s Doctor Evil?

    • Ardent

      Not arguing – I don’t quite take your point, Dam?

      • Ardent

        Ah…you refer to the Scientology lawyer. Well, sure, for them science is more of a notional thing than a rigourous way of working at things. Imbeciles.

    • kemist

      If you read the answer to the motion, you’ll see that Hamilton has put narconon’s “treatment” in quotes.

      eheheheheh.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    “SCIENTOLOGY: The Truth Shall Make You Flee”

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Narconon: no truth in any plea

    • Missionary Kid
      • Bradley Greenwood

        You honor me :)

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s a good statement. You deserve to be there. If you refresh, you’ll see it’s there.

    • Ardent

      Nice one!

      • Baby

        Collllllllllumbo! xoxoxoox

    • GalacticGreg

      What *every* $cilon believes deep in their bones, while a member of $cientology Inc., the Cult of.

      “We will not speculate … how I came to rise above the bank.We are dealing only in facts and the above is a fact—the group left to its own devices would not have evolved Scientology but with wild dramatization of the bank called “new ideas” would have wiped it out.

      “Supporting this is the fact that Man has never before evolved workable mental technology and emphasizing it is the vicious technology he did evolve—psychiatry, psychology, surgery, shock treatment, whips, duress, punishment, etc, ad infinitum.

      “So realize that we have climbed out of the mud by whatever good luck and good sense, and refuse to sink back into it again.”

      HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965 – KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING – by L Ron Hubbard

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Good point Chris. I liked your videos.

        Have you read my essay? I was wondering what you think, as it addresses this belief structure.

        http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=100838

        • GalacticGreg

          Uhm… wouldn’t that Chris be “Galactic Patrol” rather than gG, yours truly?

          Think so. ;-)

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Oops. Sorry. I meant it in the very best way. Thanks for the correction.

            • 1subgenius

              Ya can’t tell the players around here without a scorecard.
              I, for one, try not to keep track.
              (But yeah, I would like to know what Chris Shelton thinks about your stuff, too.He’s a very bright guy. Too.)

            • GalacticGreg

              I’m glad you cross-indexed us! as I’m now reading your article. It’s terrific so far! Your experience is huge. And a big help to anyone who wants to understand what they are up against in opposing $cientology Inc.

              27 years in MLT. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I forget just how deep you were in the Kool-aid. Your EP (as it were) is spectacular! you have your humanity back!! http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=100838

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thanks for the feedback!

              Another article I just finished was this one: Malignant Narcissism, L. Ron Hubbard, and Scientology’s Policies of Narcissistic Rage (Lane-Kent 2008)

              http://www.scribd.com/doc/88298016/Malignant-Narcissism-L-Ron-Hubbard-and-Scientology%E2%80%99s-Policies-of-Narcissistic-Rage-Lane-Kent-2008

            • GalacticGreg

              Cool- thank you for linking to this one also. imo, you could bring your writing to 1 location for access. You have some wonderful articles to share. I just started this one, and it’s hard-hitting:

              ABSTRACT
              “In this article, we argue that Scientology’s founder, L. Ron Hubbard, likely presented a personality disorder known as malignant narcissism, and then we establish that this disorder probably contributed to his creation of organizational policies against perceived enemies that reflected his narcissistic rage. We illustrate our argument by discussing Hubbard’s creation of an internal Scientology organization called the Guardian’s Office, which carried out a sustained and covert attack against a Scientology critic, Paulette Cooper. This attack, and the Scientology policies that Hubbard created to ‘handle’ critics like her, demonstrate how Hubbard translated narcissistic rage into organizational policies that loyal members enacted on his behalf.”

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thanks. The idea of having one repository is a good one, I just suck at building and more importantly maintaining a web page presence. And I don’t have money to pay anyone to do it or pay for hosting other than possibly linking my domain to a google account page.

            • GalacticGreg

              Yeah, I was thinking you simply ask for a ‘spot’ on one of the Websites like Mark Bunker’s or Clambake or one of them. Ask Chris for advice on this, too – he may have a good suggestion.

            • Once_Born

              WordPress offers free hosted blogs. The only drawback of these is that you can’t extend their functionality with fancy add-ons. Works for me http://scicrit.wordpress.com/

              It would be straightforward to post your work in a blog format. If you need a hand setting it up, and entering stuff, contact me through the ‘feedback’ page a the site above.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              That one is a beauty, Greg.
              I really like the expression Malignant Narcissist and the article is pretty damning.
              As it should be.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Yea I was deep in the do-do. Not nearly as fanatic as some, yet much more than others.
              Thanks again. And I am glad to have recovered some humanity and empathy.

            • GalacticGreg

              and your heart regained. Your compassion. your sympathy. Your caring. And it showed so hugely in the monkey k. affair last year. You were wonderful throughout that entire episode.

            • Missionary Kid

              I echo Galactic Greg’s comments. You’ve been wonderful.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Still a great essay, Michael.
          It is one of the fundamental questions, not just about Scientology, but about humans in general: what makes good intelligent people participate willingly in evil?

    • 1subgenius

      That is very good. Will make a great sign.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Earlier today I asked why there would be a “Dianetics volcano climbing wall” for the kiddies at the Dianetics anniversary street fair on LRH Way. It was explained to me that the volcano would revivify the little meat body’s resident Thetans, and encourage them to get into auditing.

    So… why not an appropriate snack to enjoy after the climb:

    • Mark

      Brilliant!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        With all of the conversation about Ryan “The Ham” Hamilton today, I am hoping that Snortimer will have found a soulmate in the legal trade…

        • Jgg2012

          Well, Narconon is full of hogwash.

    • Suppressive Meritorius

      *LOVE* this!

  • TDA1541A
    • 1subgenius

      Nice and pithy.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    [NOTE: Sorry for the tl;dr post - again. One of these days I'll teach myself how to edit properly or limit my comments to 140 characters in length.]

    I think others have linked to Ryan Hamilton’s commercials and website, but I thought I’d elaborate a little how wonderfully crazy “The Ham” is and provide a few more links. With all due respect, it takes a little crazy to take on the cult’s crazy the way he has. Having a sense of humor is probably essential in keeping one’s sanity and dealing with a “vexatious litigant” like the Co$.

    I encourage others to check out Ryan Hamilton’s website and YouTube commercials to really get a sense of who he is. When I first saw his website last year (different than the current one), I was really put off by the kitschy and dorky look of it and didn’t bother researching him further. To be honest, I wrote him off as being immature (a recent grad who barely passed the bar exam), having poor taste or college level humor (especially in light of his chosen profession) and, therefore, I thought him to be not very “bright” (i.e., not the sharpest knife in the kitchen drawer). I even doubted his ability to earn a living as a lawyer. It occurred to me that WHEN he failed at that, he could always go to Hollywood (… as the walk would probably do him good – yuk! yuk!). Ha! Joke was on me. I was the dull and stoopid one left standing in the kitchen.

    And there lies some of the power behind his marketing strategy, I think. I suspect his legal opponents oftentimes similarly pass a superficial and snobbish judgement, by default, of him personally and his legal skills as a result of a cursory glance at his website, with its genre of marketing humor – just as I naively did. How wrong I was in underestimating his legal skills by simply judging him through his online presence!

    In fact, if I ever needed a lawyer now, I’d hire him in a snap if he were available. I think I’d even let him bill me by the hour just so I could hang out with him (at his favorite watering hole?) and experience more of his sense of humor and listen to him talk about law. I even wonder if he sometimes moonlights as a stand up comedian or performs on some Las Vegas stage in some other capacity. It wouldn’t surprise me if he did. In any case, perhaps behind every successful lawyer stands a hopeful or failed comedian? Or, behind every lawyer stands a stand-up comedian? [I can't help but think of Vance Woodward and his wit and writing skills. I also think of the other legal professionals who comment in the Bunker and have the same creative flair with language.]

    I don’t know if wit and having a sense of humor is necessary to becoming a lawyer or withstanding the rigors of that particular profession but I can’t help but imagine it is a useful skill, if not a critical one, in being able to deal with some of the soul crushing defeats unique to a courtroom, the world weariness that comes from working in an overly complex and sometimes “unfair” system of justice, the daily exposure to human tragedies and traumatized people, and the constant reminders of the evil that human beings are capable of. And oftentimes, the very life and liberty of an individual can be and will be determined by a lawyers ability to prepare, present, and defend complex legal concepts and finer point of law and ability to work long hours – all under tremendous emotional and time pressures. IANAL, so I’m sure I can’t even begin to imagine what it is like.

    In any case, Ryan Hamilton manages to do all that plus have fun. He is quoted in http://abovethelaw.com/2012/09/las-vegas-firm-serves-up-second-helping-of-ham/#more-189264 as saying,

    “So, why “the Ham?” As with all advertising, we wanted to do something entertaining to get your attention. Although Hamilton Law takes it clients’ problems very seriously, we don’t take ourselves too seriously. We enjoy our work and hope that comes through in our advertising. And we believe laughter is an important part of life – both for us and our clients.”

    The article itself, at abovethelaw dot com, is quite funny itself and has another “The Ham” commercial embedded in the blog post along with links to a previous story they wrote about Ryan Hamilton and links to his YouTube channel and website.

    To get an idea of how Ryan Hamilton markets and advertises himself and his firm, here are some of his billboard and online ads. I bet Miscavige and his legal team can not believe this is their adversary and have underestimated him – until recently that is. And I suspect, other courtroom opponents do the same initially and he uses that to his advantage. Presents himself as Forrest Gump but is actually Clarence Darrow.

    The more I think about it, I suspect his off the wall and over the top marketing is quite effective and is a clever strategy – especially considering he is located in Las Vegas. A city where its citizens and tourists are being bombarded 24 hours a day by glitzy, flashing lights, animated billboards, casino noises, costuming and stage craft, etc., so I can see how his type of marketing and advertising could stand out and have appeal. Humor is a powerful tool of persuasion in advertising and in everyday communications.

    As my grandfather use to say, “That man is like a pail of fresh cow’s milk, it might smell like cow shit at first but then watch the cream slowly rise to the top. (Well, the more I think about that, I think what Grandpa had to say really doesn’t apply here. But I can’t remember what he use to say about pigs – which would have been a better metaphor for The Ham and his law firm. Oops!)

    Here are some of Ryan Hamilton’s billboard ads. Enjoy!

    ETA: Disqus didn’t post the images – again. AARGH! See below in reply to myself.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      These images go with my post above.

      • Jgg2012

        They should show him walking squirrels instead of pigs.

    • 1subgenius

      Those are nice thoughts, and I agree. I said a while back I thought he realized that the law was something you could do and have fun. And if you’re doing your profession and having fun, yer doing it right (and you’ll never “work” a day again).
      Synapses and neurotransmitters work better in such a free flowing, creative environment.
      The man is extremely bright, and I hope he utilizes the over 9000 that support him and have something to offer.

    • Jgg2012

      He takes Scientology as seriously as it deserves to be taken. In other words, he treats it as if it were founded by a wife beating Satanist who dropped out of college.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        D’ya leave out the dope-head backroom abortionist?

        • Jgg2012

          And the moonchild. btw, people who barely graduate law school and barely pass the bar are still smarter than someone who had 1-1/2 yrs of college, with a D average.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            I think he was very smart in some kind of parallel twisted malignant way – reptilian, perhaps.
            He certainly was not nearly as smart as he obviously thought in any useful way.
            His father should have drowned him at birth.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              You know, I think his family had a major role in creating his need for admiration. He was an only child, doted on not only by his mother and father but by his whole extended family who thought he could do no wrong.

              Reading Russell Miller’s “Bare-Faced Messiah” I noticed this repeatedly being mentioned by various family in his early life.

              One of the factors in development of narcissism, if I read it anywhere correctly, is that unbridled pampering and spoiling in an early age is quite common and maybe even a contributing factor in this personality disorder.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              My thoughts too – but it requires a manipulative nasty streak in the subject to believe in all that adulation and think the world is but for you.
              He had it in spades.
              The drugs and hormones exaggerated it even more.

              Hitler and Hubbard are arguably the best con-men of the last century.
              Werner Erhard (a Ronnie wannabe) gave it a good run.
              Mugabe is still (tho’ barely) in the saddle.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Oh, it wasn’t all them by any means. I think he was molested, possibly abused physically at some point. Maybe even had some physical brain damage. However, he was in the center of a perfect storm of precursors for sociopathy, or more correctly, malignant narcissism. He was damaged somewhen. Either genetics or environment. (I’m using that word a lot lately. Getting my mind around what he was.)

              Miller’s biography of hubbard was the biography I wanted from the cult. I hated the mealy-mouthed shore story unbelievable fawning shermanspeak the cult put out in place of a genuine biography. I remember telling auditors and people interviewing me that I just wanted a straight up biography. I wanted the true story of hubbard, “Warts and ALL!” I didn’t care, I just wanted the straight dope.

              They don’t dare publish one. Miller did it, did it well, documented it and spoke to the people who were there and knew him. And the truth is, it was all warts.

      • 1subgenius

        Ya know, you make a very good point.
        At some point, conceding that there is some merit in lunacy and stupidity, gets old.
        It is a good thing to tell the truth to power.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      You can’t handle the tweet?

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Ha! See my response to you below, you Twitter Bird!

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Love it. Can you also verbify twit? “I twit, therefore I ham?” “It was a meating of the minds”?
          Besides, i’m not on twitter. Stuck in the past, me.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Yup. Me, three!

            Sadly, I even knew what a telex was when a reference to it was made in yesterday’s Sunday Funnies. Gulp.

            • Aslansown

              I used to work in the international department of a big corporation in the early 80′s and I would always have to run down to a room with a woman in it who sent telexes to the other divisions.

    • Aslansown

      I immediately thought of Better Call Saul!

  • valshifter

    According to El Fat Bubba “Validation or invalidation of any kind presupposes and interference to your self determinism” do not let you BE. and that’s what the lawyers are doing, complain about everything, either if is too much, too little, too exact, too vague, etc etc, interfere no matter if we are in the wrong, interfere interfere , I wonder who told them that little piece of tech advice?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Confront the con front

    Scatter the shatter with the kult kryptonite power of RED-X

    ty ap

  • 1subgenius

    None of the victims of the Nazi in Kansas were Jewish.
    The lessons could not be clearer for society.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Elderly racist lunatic finally lives out fantasy of going on a shooting rampage to kill Jews, and instead murders three of the very people he swore he was making the world safe for.

      • 1subgenius

        Do you write taglines for Fark?
        Because that’s pithy (and I’ve used up my allotment of that word for the day).

  • Imagica

    So in other words tl;dr?

  • Krew13

    Sorry if this has already been mentioned but Scientool Erika Christensen is doing a Reddit AMA this Thursday. For those who don’t know, AMA is Ask Me Anything. Lots of celebrities have done them. So, as she says herself, ask her anything!

    We know Sciloons are conditioned to block out any negative comments but maybe one or two well articulated questions and comments will be enough to stir even the tiniest bit of doubt in her mind and start her on a journey of research towards the truth of what she’s a part of. She’s cute and a good actress, so I’d like to see her follow in Leah’s footsteps and leave this evil scam operation.

    • 1subgenius

      Good head’s up. It will be a very delicate dance to get to her.
      Questions are often far more effective than statements.

      • Jimmy3

        You said what I said, but you said it concisely and with elegance. That was rude.
        Anyways, “Ask Me Anything” does not mean “I Will Answer Anything.” So choose your words carefully.

        • 1subgenius

          And I hadn’t even read yours, so I get extra points for that, as well as bonus points for unintentional rudeness.
          Ta-da! FTW.

        • 1subgenius

          The best questions are the ones that can’t be answered.

          • Jimmy3

            I suppose you are right. One time I had a simple question with an easily determinable answer, but the stupid owl took only three licks and chomped on it. I was too distraught to seek truth after that.

            • 1subgenius

              That’s heavy. It achieves true heaviosity. Some day I hope you explain it to me.

              What I get all the time, when I ask what I think is a simple question, is:
              “That’s a good question.”
              No!, Just NO! Just tell me the fking answer. Its not rhetorical. I don’t want the question evaluated, I want information.
              If you know, tell me.
              If you don’t know, for the love of all that you hold holy, tell me that you don’t know. (I actually love when people tell me they don’t have a clue. At least I know that’s an honest answer. Most people make up some shit so they don’t appear stupid. Which they are.)
              Don’t tell me its a good question, I think to myself, I know it was a good question.

            • Robert Eckert

              He’s referring to the classic:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk0ucnbbVDI

            • Aslansown

              I eat Tootsie Pops just like the owl, and I have a dental bill to prove it! I pulled off a crown chewing the tootsie roll part…he asked me what I was eating. It was embarrassing to tell him (seeing as I was an adult)…..

          • Baby

            Yeah Like.. ” Is DM still beating his staff? “

    • Jimmy3

      Great post! It’s at 1:00 PM EST on Thursday. To have even a chance of her answering any questions on the subject of Scientology, the question will have to be subtle and unoffensive. Of course, you can post harsher questions or statements with the expectation that she will read it, but please don’t be rude.

    • Narapoid

      OSA is scrambling, the SPs are watching. OSA would probably not want her to get anything other than fluff queries. Maybe they will use umbrella tech on any probing questions…

      • Jgg2012

        Say that you’re a fan of Leah Remini, and ask what she thinks of her.

        • Narapoid

          Yesss!

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          That’s good.

      • Baby

        Umbrella Tech? Well we’ll use our own Narapoid!

        • aquaclara

          I want this on an umbrella!

          • Baby

            Hahah.. So do I Aqua.. I’m sure you can find something that would offend everyone on an umbrella.. xo

        • Narapoid

          I like it!

    • outraged

      Is there a way to ask a question she will have no idea has to do with Scientology but will provide great insight into why the hell she is supporting an evil Cult?

      • Jgg2012

        Ask her if she knows any perfect clears (anyone with perfect recall or intelligence) or if she would join a group founded by a Satanist.

        • outraged

          nah, she’ll suss that out in seconds.

          How about, “Why in the HELL are you CONNECTED to this EFFING SOCIOPATH??

          • GalacticGreg

            Subtle, outraged. I like it.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      “Erika, do you find that there are inconsistencies and even out-right conflict in the policies of your group scientology vs how people are treated within the group? One example might be the emphasis on being able to communicate to anyone freely, read and speak freely, yet members are proscribed from reading anything even potentially negative about hubbard the founder such as Russel Miller’s “Bare-faced Messiah?

      Could you for instance freely read this very well documented biography of hubbard without fear of consequences within the group for doing so?

      • FromPolandWithLove

        Or : “Erica, does wealthy celebrities from Church of Scientology do anything to help Scientologists in financial troubles with purchasing new two e-meters and re-doing courses after launching GATII?

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      The Reddit things are fun! The guy creating,Google Fiber was interesting. Next,the guy born with two penis’s was very frank about life w/ two penis’s. But many questions just go unanswered. I would think that she’ll just ignore, Xenu sighting’s etc..

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      I’m fairly certain that the questions are screened, and I doubt any blatant call-out questions would get through, although one or two subtle ones might.

      • Krew13

        I don’t think they’re screened, as I read some previous AMAs and there were a variety of tongue in cheek and also directly rude questions.

  • Pierrot
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      TAMPA X?

  • Sejanus

    $cientology: Hiring D-Bag lawyers today!

  • ShoopZ

    Last one for now. (refresh)

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Apr. 14: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #21,836 – down 84 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 17,129)
    Scientology: US rank #59,094 – down 1,912 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 45,149)

    Difference: 37,258 – 1,828 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 28,020)

    Clicks from India – 11,7% today.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Scientology’s stat graph shows roller coaster: PTS.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        It’s as true as when Lafayette said it!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Thank you!

  • Laura. J

    I hate to say this, but if I remember my Federal Civil Procedure correctly, the Scieno attorney might have a good argument. Hopefully, he can just amend his complaint. I see no reason to dismiss because he TOO detailed.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      He might – if it wasn’t a fraud issue – details ARE required.

      The $cilon lawyer may have to go back to the nearest orange jump-suited holding tank for a visit.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    RED-X RED-X RED-X

    Make the world safe from Narconon and its drunk lawyers
    Help take down their mother-ship
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-73#post-2445269
    ty ap

    • outraged

      sorry to be so forgetful, can I have the instructions? I was making the world safe from Narconon and drunk lawyers for awhile, then stopped, and I think someone said something somewhere that something was supposed to be done differently. I don’t remember. Also, is it best to do the ads in my state?

      I need just brief simple instructions on exactly what to click, when and how that is best for bringing down the mothership. :-}

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Instructions : on the link

        Clicking: most effective in your city BUT effective everywhere :)
        Do the blues
        Do the rest if you have time.
        If you can change ip (reboot yer router or use a friends network or a cafe or a library e.g.)
        do ‘em all again (and again.)

        Most important: just keep doing it regularily (5-10 minutes a day)

        Thanx, everyone – this is keeping bodies out of their shops.

        • Pierrot

          I could not have said it better in such a few words.
          I must learn to be short and concise like you, you have a gift.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Go to BED :)

        • outraged

          Thank you!!

      • Pierrot

        Hi outraged, follow the link, hopefully you will find some instructions and tips there.
        If you have some questions do not hesitate to ask.
        I am on european time, and it is waaaayyy pat my bedtime so do not expect from me answer until tomorrow

        • outraged

          I did go to WWP thread but was bombarded with too much info to compute. and need get matzoh balls out of soup…

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            What Panopea said is right:

            Clicking: most effective in your city BUT effective everywhere :)
            Do the blues
            Do the rest if you have time

            Most important: just keep doing it regularily (5-10 minutes a day)

            I bookmark the site so I can go over there and pick the most recent, and I just do the blue ones..

  • media_lush
    • vistaril_LOL

      Has this hit the wog media hard yet? Gawker might like it..

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Narconon needs taking down.

    David Love has a manuscript that needs publishing:

    “Rollercoaster out of Hell”

    A little truth-telling in book-form will be the depth-charge that helps –
    and this ain’t no magnetic anomaly we are firing at.
    Help him out in his crowd-funding quest:

    http://www.gofundme.com/86w72c

    Thank you all and thank you, David.

    • aquaclara

      Oh, how did I miss this??
      I will be ordering several copies, but in the meantime, plan to donate. Give me a week to get past tax pain……

      Go, David Love. You are the best….

  • Sydjazz

    It is too long? Thats all they can come up with? Buahaha. Plucking at straws.

  • Sarah James

    We should start our own Underground Bunker religion. I want the tax exemption.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Me too, SJ! I’ll become an Underground Preacher, because as a clergy member, I can get the parsonage exemption, and then I can use my “housing allowance,” not just for the rent or mortgage on any of my properties, but also for maintenance, repairs, and home improvements, including my new holy water swimming pool. And I’ll be exempt from taxable income on any rental of my properties. Check out TV pastor’s Kenneth and Gloria Copeland’s lakeside villa and tax free parsonage.

      And people want to repeal the parsonage exemption ecclesiastical leaders! The nerve of such godless tax paying heathens!

      • Sarah James

        I want a holy water swimming pool! I must have one ;-)
        Wow, just look at that place. They rob with out guilt.
        Paid my taxes today. :-(

      • Satansthetan

        I think New Church of Divine Bunkerism deserves a castle, after all we will need th dungeons for those who dare try to leave the flock.

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Just finished some Red X action, and noticed this pic, which appears to be all the scibots in Sacramento:

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Such an Upstat setting!

      • DodoTheLaser

        At least the fence is spikeless.

      • SvenBoogie

        This was taken after they were forcibly relocated to the backyard once talked into donating the host’s house.

  • valshifter

    scientology starts at minute 1:41 and Leah is not longer there but the beliefs are the same

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/1f09pv/this-week-in-god—scientology

    • media_lush

      Doesn’t play in the UK…. can you explain what happens?

      • valshifter

        I have not clue am not much of a computer geek. maybe because the video is not a youtube video format, it is on another format embedded directly on the website that is presenting the video. it also contains American ads that might be another reason. not really sure, I hope somebody else comes up with a better explanation. but try copying the whole thing here it is.
        http://thedailyshow.cc.com/
        videos/ 1f09pv/this-week-in-god—scientology

        • media_lush

          No, it’s just that they’ve prevented it from playing outside of the US because of rights issues.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Ryan Hamilton… (L)RH devoid of Lafayette… and that’s a good thing!

  • Sarah James

    Things are not looking good for the Punching Pope Of Scientology. J. Swift has a new post up.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Something tells me this is not a satire.
      http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2014/04/15/not-sea-org-slaves-anymore/

      • Sarah James

        I agree. I imagine the niblet is flipping out about now. lol.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Yep. Time to sell Fürwinds and move to Rhodesia.

          • vistaril_LOL

            The passages in BFM about Hubbturd telling the Rhodesians how to run things – then getting thrown out of the country with about an hours notice are hilarious.AFAIR it was in Rhodesia where he said blacks were too stupid to be audited…

            Maybe NK or Uzbekhistan would suit dwarfenfuehrer

  • Pierrot

    Blitz this ad, we need to prove that it’s Spanish alter-ego will be
    removed with it:
    https://denver.craigslist.org/cls/4218484995.html

    If you have time to spare do some flagging

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-73#post-2445269

    TY AP

  • SvenBoogie

    Haven’t had a chance to read through this yet, but just sharing to make the bunker (and Tony) aware of it:

    http://io9.com/william-s-burroughs-wild-ride-with-scientology-1563203663

    • Sarah James

      Twisted. Good find.

      • SvenBoogie

        After reading it it’s far too easy on the cult really, and the comments on the piece seem poorly informed, but oh well.

  • DodoTheLaser

    This should keep OSA busy for a while.

    • Mooser

      Oh, come on, Mr. Laser! Mars? Compared to Hubbard, Ortega is merely a stay-at-home. Why, I bet he can’t leave the galaxy without asking his Mom. And as far as time travel, he never gets anywhere on time, let alone 75 million years away.

    • Science Doc

      If you went exterior and traveled to Mars you wouldn’t seeing any CICS clouds. Plus any “opposition” would go straight to the Hole. I’m getting tired of these doctored rover photos that don’t show the implant stations.