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With Scientology’s ‘disconnection’ policy finally hitting the mainstream, here’s more to consider

Cindy_Plahuta_KaraIt’s gratifying to see the Daily News and the Daily Mail pick up on Joe Childs’ epic story about Scientology’s ‘disconnection’ policy that rips families apart — and has for decades.

In our own humble way, we’ve been trying for years to make the public understand how disconnection is one of the most toxic practices of this bullying organization. It’s a coldly calculating way that “leverage” is used to force church members into submission — by threatening to rip apart their families if they don’t comply.

In Joe’s story, he told in dramatic fashion how Sara Goldberg was presented with a stark choice — either accept the pressure coming from Scientology officials and cut off all ties from her son, who had been expelled from the church, or, if she didn’t comply, lose all contact with her daughter, who remains a Scientologist. It was the kind of impossible choice faced by other Scientologists every day. We have talked to or know about literally hundreds of people who have lost all interaction with their parents, or their children, or their siblings. It’s the way that Scientology enforces discipline, and as Joe illustrated so well, it’s never a “personal choice,” as the church claims. It’s forced on families, often with stunning cruelty.

Now, with the Goldbergs getting so much attention, we hope there’s some appetite for readers to revisit the many cases of disconnection we’ve documented over the years. Here are some links. We hope you find them useful.

— In his Tampa Bay Times story, Joe described a kind of ‘star chamber’ tribunal which put incredible pressure on Sara Goldberg to make her choice about staying loyal to her church or to her family. Three years ago, a similar meeting was captured in a secret audio recording which we made public at the Village Voice. In that case, a young man named Shane Clark was told by then-spokesman Tommy Davis that he had to stop working for Marc Headley, an outspoken former church member, or he would lose all contact with his family. The audio recording is a rare opportunity to hear what it’s like for a Scientologist to face the high-pressure tactics of the church behind closed doors.

— When Scientologists disconnect, they sometimes do it in written messages. We obtained two “disconnection letters” from Cindy Plahuta of Colorado. She told us that when she first had doubts about Scientology, she admitted it to her daughter Kara Landry (that’s them in the photo above, on Kara’s wedding day). Kara reacted by turning her own mother in to the church’s “ethics” officers and then disconnecting from her. Cindy and her husband were also spurned by friends, and we posted their letters.

— Claire and Marc Headley have each lost all contact with family members through disconnection. They left Scientology in 2005, later sued the church and lost, and Marc wrote a gripping book about their experiences, Blown for Good. We’ve spent a lot of time talking with Claire about the specifics of Scientology’s many “levels,” and in particular, she went through the L. Ron Hubbard documentation that is used by the church to enforce disconnection and split up families, and then did it again in even more detail.

— In July 2012, Karen de la Carriere’s son Alex Jentszch died at only 27. But it took her several days to learn about his death even though she lived only a few miles away. Why? Because a few years earlier, he had been forced to disconnect from her because she dared to say publicly that Alex’s father, Heber Jentzsch, had spent years in Scientology’s bizarre office-prison, “The Hole.” Scientology even tried to enforce Alex’s disconnection from his mother after Alex’s death, telling her that no memorial for him would be held, and then, after embarrassing media reports forced the church to hold a memorial, didn’t invite her. So she held her own.

— We were fortunate to learn about the remarkable Derek Bloch, a talented young man whose parents got him into Scientology and who joined the Sea Org at only 17, but then got kicked out a year later after he admitted that he was gay. Frustrated and confused, he found it therapeutic to share his concerns about Scientology at a web forum, carefully using a pseudonym because he didn’t want to harm his parents or their status in the church. But Scientology’s spy organization, the Office of Special Affairs, determined his identity from the web postings, and then confronted his parents, who then disconnected from him entirely. Derek was one of the lucky ones: he found love and acceptance from other members of his extended family, and even moved to a different state in order to take advantage of their support. He still has no contact with his parents.

— In a story that shows to what bizarre lengths Scientology will go to enforce disconnection, the church was so determined to keep Valeska Paris separated from her own mother, it kept her on its private cruise ship, the Freewinds, as a sort of indentured servant for eleven years. Our lengthy interview with Valeska was the most-read Scientology story we ever did at the Voice.

— How can you talk about Scientology and disconnection without thinking of Lori Hodgson? We’ve been reporting her story for years as she tries to get back in contact with her adult son and daughter, who cut off all ties from her after she became upset at the way her son was recruited into Scientology’s Sea Org against her wishes. Among the stories we’ve done about Lori, we were most affected by her dramatic day at a hospital, and two visits (first visit, and second) to Austin to surprise her son.

— Another mother who won’t give up on her adult son, Meshell Little first made an impression on us two years ago. She’s still writing to her son, Jeremy Powers, hoping some day he’ll think twice about disconnecting from his own mother on instructions from Scientology.

— Because Mike Rinder is so well known for his media appearances, his blog, and for his activism as a former top spokesman of Scientology, it’s easy to forget that his split from the church was deeply personal, as well. Not only did his defection cause him to lose his previous family, but his former wife and his daughter have demonized him on television and on the web, clearly as part of Scientology’s twisted strategy to try and smear him. Despite that, the former top church official never complains about the harassment, preferring to put the emphasis on what difficulties others have faced. And he has a new family now that is thriving. But we know few people who speak more strongly about loathing disconnection. For a detailed overview of his background and views, we recommend a series of videos and story at our website.

— Scientology’s ‘celebrities’ aren’t immune. When Leah Remini ditched Scientology last year, she knew enough about disconnection to make sure that her entire family left with her. Others haven’t been so lucky. Paul Haggis told Lawrence Wright how his wife was told to disconnect from her own parents at one point. And three years ago, we wrote about how Placido Domingo Jr. was told to cut off ties from his ex-wife, Samantha Domingo, once the church learned that she had visited Marty Rathbun, an outspoken former church official. Placido told us that when he refused, he found himself being smeared on anonymous websites with information he had divulged in church counseling sessions he had been assured would be kept confidential.

— In one of the most hypocritical acts we’ve run across, Scientology’s Australian spokeswoman, Virginia Stewart, went on television to deny that Scientology practiced disconnection. She was reacting to our Placido Domingo Jr. story, and she denied that disconnection existed. But then we found out that Stewart herself had disconnected from her own father, and hadn’t spoken to him for more than 22 years.

— After Leah Remini’s defection, Scientology put out one of its disingenuous statements about disconnection, claiming that it wasn’t forced on members. So we asked our readers to tell us about their disconnection experience. The stories we received were stunning.

— Scientology’s denials after Remini’s departure also motivated Sindy Fagen to give us one of the most chilling examples of a Scientology disconnection farewell, a voicemail made by one of her friends after Sindy agreed to talk to the Tampa Bay Times for its landmark 2011 series on the church’s fundraising efforts. Hear for yourself what disconnection sounds like when you hear Sindy’s friend tell her goodbye.

And there are so many more. Disconnection is real. And it is used cynically by Scientology to keep its members inside a bubble. When will the larger public understand that this is at the heart of what Scientology is, and not some goofy set of outer-space beliefs that a few celebrities ascribe to?

 
And now, back to our regular weekly feature, Sunday Funnies.

 
Hey, San Diego’s a party!

 
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Ooh, this one’s gotta get ’em to sign that billion-year contract!

 
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We’re looking forward to some accounts of this weekend’s festivities. Send ’em in, tipsters!

 
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“Hey, grandma, I’m ready for college. What happened to that money you put away for me?”

 
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The use of the word ‘humanitarian’ might throw you if you didn’t know that in Scientology it just means writing a big-ass check.

 
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We have no words.

 
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Marcus is an actor!

 
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Oh, now this is a party. And here Mike Rinder had us thinking things in Joburg weren’t rocking.

 
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Speaking of a party, it’s on at the Shrine this Saturday!

 
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Thanks again to our great tipsters!

 
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Karen de la Carrier has a cognition about Scientology and psychiatry

Another fun video from Karen…

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 16, 2014 at 07:00

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UP THE BRIDGE (Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43

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  • ze moo

    So basically, everyone who does the work {auditors, case supervisors, word clearers} at the San Diego mOrg was fired/let go/escaped? Not a good recommendation for lroon’s management is it?

  • Sibs

    Coming up for air from reading…

    Hey, Scientologist! Yeah, you! You know that rotten feeling you get inside when you think about the family members you’re not supposed to talk to, and you think “If only they would just come back and do their A to Es and we could catch up?” That niggling feeling is called “love”. “Love” is the greatest power of all (at least, according to the Christian God and Dumbledore). If you have that, then WHAT DO YOU STILL NEED AUDITING FOR?

    Choosing your first and second dynamics is valid. Your doubts are valid.

  • media_lush

    back in the UK these scumbags are going on a nationwide tour to promote “Say No to Drugs”

    http://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/news/local/the-jive-aces-to-perform-in-the-town-centre-1-5936276

    unfortunately you can’t leave a comment

  • Ardent

    Today’s article by Tony, the video by Karen and the ‘funnies’ all make me realise again, very strongly, how sick, degenerate and evil the cult of scientology really is. Observer’s ‘Creature from the Black Lagoon’ shoop is brilliant and one of her very best (see down the thread), and it is fun to mock the evil pig, but I become wretched thinking of the appalling pain and suffering the Creature’s BS ‘teachings’ are causing, and have caused. I puke on Source! So there.

  • richelieu jr

    Boy, I’ll bet that Stephen Turnbull gets more tail than Sinatra in the world’s most expensive Mens-Only Leather Jacket.

    • aegerprimo

      I think you meant Members Only leather jacket.

      http://www.rustyzipper.com/full/176392.jpg

      • richelieu jr

        Yes, that is exactly what I meant, thanks!

        We have a label here in France called ‘New Man’ that is the same sort of stuff and I guess I mixed them up in my little brain!

  • richelieu jr

    OK Tony, you mock, but let me just say this about the SIlicon Valley Dragon Warriors:

    Have you seen any dragons around lately? Have you?

    Then perhaps you owe those brave men and women a little apology….

    • Ardent

      Heh heh. Ok, you made me smile. Thanks Cardinal.

    • Sibs

      I was just there two days ago, and I didn’t see any dragons! Amazing!

    • Espiando

      Jim Meskimen does the occasional voice for the How To Train Your Dragon TV series (which just ended in preparation for the second movie). That’s about the only connection I can think of.

  • richelieu jr

    LRH, 103 years old.. He’ doesn’t look a day over 300lbs….

    (or 40.375 trillion eons… YMMV)

  • nottrue

    They regged the shit out of poor steve………

    • Mark

      Where’s that from, nottrue? Turns out our Mr. Turnbull used to be editor of Acorn User magazine, and may even have tried to interest DM in taking over Acorn as “something different” when the pioneering UK RiscOS PC manufacturer went bust in 2006: http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?t=Steve+Turnbull
      which refers to this: http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/article.php?id=1702&nc=78
      His own website looks to be of 2006 vintage: http://home.oursites.net/steveturnbull/

      • nottrue

        off google under steve turnbull something weird is happening to my account i think im flagged must have pissed someone off they are trying to get in my account

        • Mark

          Take care! Also just found Turnbull pissed off a lot of Acorn users during the last few months of his tenure at the magazine, and more recently has been into horror films: http://www.acornarcade.co.uk/forums/viewthread.php?threadid=11434&page=1

          • nottrue

            ………here it is they are flagging me

            • Mark

              Thanks.

        • nottrue

          ………..HI BINO

        • richelieu jr

          That would be old Albert Bino Robin, would it?

          He was real tight with Alfred Bino Batman as I recall…

          They were sort of the Caped Crusaders, but less dark; the AlBino Batman and Robin, if you will…

  • Sibs

    Just reread this… http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/17/scientology-claims-no-forced-disconnection-so-tell-us-about-yours/

    I remember when Tony had that day when he asked everyone to tell their disconnection stories I was absolutely blown away by the responses. I also remember thinking, “These commenters are amazing, there’s no way I’m ever going to be able to join them, what can I possibly add?”

    If you’re reading this now and wondering the same thing, or just itching for something to do right now on your computer that will help in some way, go here and join the Red-X Gang. They don’t bite!

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62

    • Dancing Cranberry

      thanks

  • richelieu jr

    “If survival is pleasure, and Staff is the most survival thing you could do, then you could imagine how much pleasure the is in this activity.”

    …Well, I guess I’d have to be a chump to pass up a clearly-worded opportunity like that

    • Observer

      I’d ask him to word-clear “pleasure” and then tell me if he’d still use it in that sentence.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      It’s a typo. Should read “pressure”. fxd.

    • Gerard Plourde

      If survival is pleasure you must be pretty hard up.

      • Sibs

        Well, he is an actor and a staff member…

  • media_lush
  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Just a heads up: Cosmos Series back on tonight.

    Scientology’s main target market has always been impressionable and unprotected young minds, the rebel, and yes, the activist, the seeker of adventures into the unknown and pioneers in space. In the 50’s and even 60’s, you had to walk to a brick and mortar library and order the information you might be interested in and wait and wait for weeks to get one book. Even the 70’s and 80’s, google wasn’t around.

    So this would be a good time to gather up the kids and kittens and anyone else who runs in when you call for famly and watch this program together. Family + Education = Cult innoculation. There’s something for just about everyone in this series. If they cover Target Two and I hear from Ron, I’ll let you know.

    No one ever thinks someone they love will join a cult.

    http://i.imgur.com/MXCbKfi.jpg

  • Larry

    It seems to me what a huge number of people do not understand about disconnection is the reason why it is so deeply ingrained and critical to the church of Scientology’s survival.

    Namely, when a person discovers the truth about Mr. Hubbard’s history alone (of lying, cheating, stealing, i.e. being an unethical fraud) that piece of information can be and would be devastating to any local Scientology organization or group that allowed that person to point to that truth. And Hubbard knew exactly what would happen if he allowed a Scientologist who discovered the truth, to talk to Scientologist’s about that Truth. The group that person was talking to would come apart at the seams. Thus goodbye money, control and power.

    And more often than not such a first-discovery is followed by further discoveries regarding the truth about Hubbard and the Scientology organization’s history.(Snow White, the RPF, Lisa McPhearson, etc. etc. etc.).

    This is WHY the so called Church of Scientology continues to ruthlessly and aggressively ‘apply’ the policy of disconnection and deny it (or in its new tactic, say they: will not discuss ‘voluntary’ issues_.

    What would happen is EXACTLY what Hubbard said would happen if any member of Scientology became aware of the Truth about Hubbard and Scientology and were permitted to speak with the group. THEY WOULD POISON THE GROUP. AND THE GROUP WOULD DIE (a slow painful death).

    So the end of the practice of disconnection equals the end of the organization called Scientology disguised as a church.

    And Ron Hubbard knew it. And David Miscavige knows it too.

    • Gerard Plourde

      You’re right that disconnection is critical to the survival of Scientology as it is for most cults. Objective truth and the ability to think independently are fatal to a cult.

  • outraged

    Can we blame Scientology for the missing airline flight? Maybe the Malaysian pilot was a secret Mi$cientologist and hijacked the plane to some uncharted island where MADCow Davey will greet them all with a long speech before they board a newly built spaceship that will be piloted to the moon by John Travolta with Krusty and Cruise as the Stewardesses.

    • Lurkness

      If it were a DC 8, you might be on to something.

  • Lurkness

    Reading and re-reading the disconnection horrors here and at Mike Rinder’s blog, I hope those still in and/or under the radar do so too. I am sure it is not easy, but if you are having any doubts, whatever you do keep your kids away from $cientology. Do NOT let them warp their minds against you and your family. You KNOW they will do that to try and keep you and keep them. Forwarned is for armed.

  • media_lush

    reasons why I love imgur….

    … rogue photo of Travolta looking like a redneck without his wig (this is very, very recent)

    • Guest

      and these are comments (so far) that went with it…. the average age of an imgurer is about 17 (I think)

    • media_lush

      …and these are comments (so far) that went with it…. the average age of an imgurer is about 17 (I think)

      • outraged

        Do you know what happened to Scientologycelebrity wordpress blog?

        • media_lush

          there was a lot of discussion about it here a couple of days ago…. it seems the person was having a lot of arguments and trolling from ESMB and pretty much said ‘fuck it’ and closed it down… I never really looked at the comments there but I understand it was to do with a lot of the stuff that was written came from PC folders. I doubt we’ve heard the last as when it came back one of the first things this person mentioned was that they had a book deal and were working on that….. either way I always enjoyed reading the stuff there as it was just so bitchy. Opinions here are polarised as to the legitimacy of the whole thing…. as a never-in it seemed completely genuine (but what the hell do you know, ed?)…. the way I look at it is that (if) the real story comes out I’m sure it will be a damn good read which is something to look forward to. If it doesn’t then, well, … fuck it

          • outraged

            Thank you!! I missed that discussion and would have no way to find it normally. hint, hint.

            I really did enjoy that blog despite the different writers, one of whom was very vitriolic. But I always thought they were legit. The site came down last year but then it returned. The comment section was very interesting and often the AnonSeaOrg staff would respond.

    • Captain Howdy

      He looks better without the astro turf.

      • Sydjazz

        He doesn’t look all glazy and off with the pixies

    • cs sarabia

      Moobies.

      She looks more like Rosanne Barr pre-plastic surgery.

      • media_lush

        about 2 years ago I had a drunken twitter conversation with her about scientology which, to this day, I have no recollection of…. I remember trying to find it but she deleted the stuff her end and my end made no sense at all… shame as it would have made a hilarious “fill in the dots” kind of thing to post here

        • cs sarabia

          How funny! That would have been a treat to see. If she deleted on her end, it makes me wonder if she was drunk, too…

          • media_lush

            one of my personal little wishes is to actually get in a twitter argument with Krustie but she’s so far into her personal level of cognitive dissonance that it would take Cher slapping her and saying “snap out of it” for a millennium before the first cog of ‘wtf was I doing’ would drop

    • Sunny Sands

      My nephew met JT in the Paddock Mall in Ocala once. He was very gracious. I think he is friendly to all the locals.

      • media_lush

        seems to be the general consensus…. which makes it so annoyingly sad that he continues to shill for them (that, or his PC folder threat is just too controlling, ed)

        • Missionary Kid

          I don’t think it’s a matter of his PC folder. I think he has a desire for children and a family, regardless of his sexual orientation, and he won’t have that if Co$ forces him to be disconnected.

          • Sydjazz

            It is really sad, why can’t he just be who he is? Come on j.t come out of the closet and lose the scion cloud hanging over you.

          • media_lush

            … sexual orientation is one thing but the nature of how you persue it is another… Gawker had a post last year where they actually counted over 20 ‘grabby masseur’ for want of a better way to explain it (and boy, there was some graphic testimony out there)… even if you discount half of them chancers and then half that number again you’re still looking at a half dozen suits…. ALL these cases disappeared (explains why he’s shopping in Target, ed). Enty has publicly revealed former blinds where hotels have banned him because of this masseur fetish he has (and a couple of toilet at the Oscars stuff…. he hasn’t threatened to sue). And then there’s the “dvd list” which is supposed to be devastating.

            So yeah, he’s consistently regarded as a nice guy but he’s also consistently regarded as quite a predator behind the scenes. Even if you don’t actually read the details you can’t fail to notice that there really were a few official allegations against him that were mysteriously dropped last year (quite a few, ed).

            Makes you wonder what might be going through his mind when he sees how Leah left so successfully.

            Either way I really hope he sorts himself out and becomes the publicly honest and nice person we all think he is.

            • outraged

              There was a very recent incident where John T. did something extremely disgusting with a male masseuse. I don’t think the tiger has changed his stripes.

            • Missionary Kid

              I remember reading here about the amount of money his insurance company paid out for his company.

              I find him a sad person to contemplate. Who knows what has gone on between him, Kelly, and Co$. The other two get something out of it. What is it that he gets out of them? That’s the big question.

            • noseinabk

              It is sad to contemplate. Maybe what he gets out of it is the pretense of a normal family that he grew up with and still desires. Funny that he and Tome Cruise both dated older women for years. Both men looking for something or someone to help fix a problem?

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t know them well enough to speculate, so I won’t. I do know that Co$ has fucked both of them up.

              I believe Travolta is a far better actor. I remember watching one of his early films some years ago, and noticing that he was doing little bits of business that had nothing to do directly with the film, but that established the character very well.

              I think that both had older women who found them interesting early in their careers. Both took advantage of the experience in Hollywood that it offered.

            • media_lush

              the way the gossip community sees it is that she’s the one in charge big time… without him she’s nothing (in Hollywood/Celeb land) and is willing to do whatever it takes to make him toe the line as that maintains HER status.

              the talk after the death of his son was that he wanted to blow (the whole contradiction of touch assist and his son dying in the back of the ambulance really screwed him up…. hence the paramedic blackmail case that (also) disappeared)… but, and this beggars belief but if you understand the scions it makes perfect sense, Kelly “got” pregnant again… but John wasn’t the father. Crazy?… believable?…. well, if you look at his first two kids they have jet black hair and bare a striking resemblance to him. Ben, the 3rd child has blond hair and, well, ….doesn’t. I know it’s awful to query stuff like this but in the big picture of what this cult does I feel it’s reasonable to at least mention it.

              I’m sure I’m not 100% right but I’m also sure I’m not 100% wrong either.

            • Missionary Kid

              Kelly is, IMO, an actress with a bit of talent. Perhaps her real talent is keeping John in line. Travolta certainly keeps her name higher on the list of celebs than what it would be alone.

              I’m not going to question some kid’s biological parenthood until they’re full grown. A friend o mine’s adopted, non-biological son growing up looks more like him than their biological child. I’m sure that’s just chance.

              Travolta’s child is a kid, so I’ll leave them alone.

    • outraged

      That must be a John Travolta impersonator.

    • aegerprimo

      Wait WAT? Travolta left his wiglet at home! Oh my, I am sure his BMI is over 30%.

      • media_lush

        I’m pretty sure that all his thetans live in his (collection of) wig(s)…. when he wears them he becomes the actor zombie we saw at the Oscars… when he doesn’t he becomes a normal person

        • aegerprimo

          I like him as a normal person shopping at Target in a t-shirt and elastic waist pants like the rest of us ‘Mericans.

    • Sydjazz

      No rug? He is slipping. He looks too normal

  • DamOTclese2

    Scientology has been tweeting about “human rights” during the day. How’s that for irony?

  • aegerprimo

    I found a Scientology fluff article. It runs on Disqus! Have fun all you bitter defrocked apostates and suppressive critics.

    Scientology: Beliefs and Practices
    http://www.boldsky.com/insync/pulse/2014/scientology-beliefs-and-practices-038712.html

    • Qbird

      I commented. Will see if it sticks.

      • Qbird

        nope. comment not allowed.

      • aegerprimo

        I don’t see it, so it got flagged. 0 comments is sad anyway.

    • media_lush

      I saw this exact article (with the same pic) about a week or so ago on another ‘PR’ type site… guess OSA are trying to get their asset “inches” up anyway they can

  • Sydjazz
    • media_lush

      I wouldn’t call this damage control I’d call it quite the opposite…. making a point that the son of the biggest celeb scion of all time is “solid” with his mother whilst everyone still in pretty much regards her as a bona fide SP is just rubbing it their faces. To this day Cruises’s PR clams have been putting out how he’s alway in contact with Suri and has had all these secret vacations with her but the general media hasn’t actually seen a pic of him with her for almost 2 years!!

      • aegerprimo

        Good point Media Lush. I thought all this news about various members of the Cruise family reconnecting… was some sort of damage control leaked by (OSA?) for Tony’s article today and the Tampa Bay article on the Goldbergs/Listers.

  • TheCommodeDoor

    6:59pm PDT. The Scientology ad runs on KCBS just before 60 Minutes.

  • Dancing Cranberry

    For the families: There really is something we can do to
    prevent more people from joining this awful cult. Every flag helps – and it
    feels good to see those blue links turn purple.

    Canada and Dublin:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434429

  • aegerprimo

    All kinds of fun news tonight. What do y’all make of this one…

    “Holmes has reportedly told Cruise if he wants to get back together he will need to leave the Scientology religion, and Tom is apparently listening.

    New Idea quoted a Cruise insider as saying Cruise would consider leaving the church if it meant getting back together and would “marry her in a flash if she’d have him”.

    Gossip: Weddings and reunions
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9836524/Gossip-Weddings-and-reunions

    • What???!!!!!?????!!!!

    • aegerprimo
      • outraged

        YOu know this is all trash because there is no way Prince Harry could secretly be engaged to anyone.

      • media_lush

        see my reply to you above….. this is a complete rehash of a story from about 6 months ago… the editor obviously saw scientology was trending and just put this up again for the lulz…. as I mentioned I have the original (exactly) the same story on my blog but looking for it right now would give me a headache

        • aegerprimo

          Well, you ARE the Media LUSH! You are on top of this stuff.
          I missed the article 6 months ago, saw this and got all excited.

          • media_lush

            … the story I really want to see come out again is the Cruise and the massage guy from the UK in the early 90’s…. he pretty much shut down a magazine and took a couple of UK tabloids to court and won… this was when scientology really had the courts in the palm of their hands… irregardless whether it was true or not (and people very close to the case who I knew were convinced it was) it was the manner he got such a blanket shut-down of the story and the threat sent to the press that was amazing… reckon this was close to the peak of scions’s lawyering and vexatious litigation period so it figures…. much more of an interesting story IMO (unless he really did bum the masseur, ed)

            edit: should note that this story is impossible to find on the internet but I was working in the heart of Soho at the time where this story originated from…. it really was a big, big deal with all the press at the time but got shut down really quickly

            • aegerprimo

              I was “in” then so was not reading “entheta”. I was regged to up my status with the IAS to pay for all the lawyers.

            • outraged

              I remember this story!! there must be something somewhere. In the Deep Web. (did you read the new Pynchon book?)

            • media_lush

              no…. this would have been about 2 to4 years before the web became, well, the web (generally considered ’96)….. guessing that as they lost the case the last thing they would want would be for some minion to add it to their online files.

            • cs sarabia

              Is this massage guy the same as the guy who said he was hired to wrestle with Cruise? He was requested to wear a specific type of underwear, as I recall.

            • media_lush

              nope… see my other replies

            • outraged

              I found something, I think:

              http://www.nndb.com/people/791/000022725/

              With his dashing good looks, his youthful interest in wrestling, and two adopted but no biological children from his first two marriages, many of Cruise’s fans and detractors have long questioned his sexuality. He has filed lawsuits against several people and publications that claimed he is homosexual. In 2001, Cruise sued Bold magazine publisher Michael Davis, who had offered a $500-million bounty for compromising photos of a cruisy Cruise, and claimed to have obtained a videotape of Cruise on a big gay tear. The magazine quickly published a retraction, and Cruise dropped his suit in exchange for a promise from Davis to never again state or imply that Cruise is anything but a heterosexual. The agreement also stipulated that “Plaintiff, Tom Cruise, does not appear on the videotape to which said defendant referred in his statement… Plaintiff is not, and never has been, homosexual and has never had a homosexual affair”. Cruise also sued Chad Slater (aka Kyle Bradford), a gay porn actor and “erotic wrestler” who had been quoted in an interview with Actustar, a French fan magazine, saying he had an affair with Cruise. After being served with Cruise’s lawsuit, Slater said that the interview had been fabricated by the magazine, and the magazine published a retraction. Cruise eventually won a $17-million verdict against the virtually penniless pornstar.

            • media_lush

              heh, heh…. I remember this one, too.

              No, my story was from circa ’92-’94 (I think)…. the magazine that initially printed the rumour/story was ‘The Face’ and the story was picked up by the red-tops…. I think it was The Sunday Express that was the main target in the court case…. it was something along the lines of this guy being invited back to Cruise’s room and he did a Travolta (is that a verb now, ed?) or similar. Private Eye magazine at the time was printing a lot of the stuff the other press wouldn’t as Cruises’s lawyers were Carter-Ruck… the most expensive legal outfit in London and a particular hate of theirs.

            • outraged

              That IS their one and only tried and true defense. Wear down the prosecution with lies and obfuscation. This fits perfectly into the American legal system. Thank god for Judge You Go Waldrip.

              So someone like Tom Cruise, a control freak who has all the money in the world and all the charm he needs can buy off everyone. But John Travolta, whose dick just won’t stay put and is probably a nicer guy, is all over the press.

              (It took me 3 hours to find your response to my response. Just think – if we had a forum, this would be easily found under the topic “Katie Walked In Tommyboy and Becks WHich is Why She Got Away with Murder”.)

            • Jimmy3

              At the upper right of the discus applet, next to your username (where it says ‘outraged’) there is a little red comment bubble. The number inside it is the number of unread replies you have. Click on it to view them.

            • outraged

              I know I know. I do that all the time. What a pain. Sometimes nothing happens, sometimes I see your comment from 10 minutes ago, and sometimes I end up in the right place.

              Supposedly you commented twice but i can only find one. And I am clicking on the comment bubble.

            • Jimmy3

              It is rather annoyingly glitchy, sometimes you usually have to open them in new tabs or new windows. But if you do that all that the time it should never take you 3 hours to find a reply.

    • Sydjazz

      Fluff and nonsense. No way would he leave his better half for her

      • aegerprimo

        You mean Lil Dave?

        • Sydjazz

          Yep

    • Sydjazz
    • media_lush

      I posted this on my bog over 6 months ago… from the same publication “Women;s Weekly”… it’s pretty much verbatim bollocks that’s been rehashed as new by a lazy dumbass noob kidding themselves they’re a journalist

      • aegerprimo

        Ugh.

  • outraged

    What about a new forum for all flavors. Independent, totally out and fed up, currently drinking kool aide but frustrated, filled to the brim with knowledge, never-in but always curious, comm-evers, rainbow colored, Bunker addicted, Rinder/Rathburg groupie, anonymous posters everywhere.

    WWP and ESMB are excellent forums but are not geared toward the above profile. How about a one size fits all Scientology Is Going Down Forum?

    I love the comment section here but it is VERY difficult to read all the incredible information contained below unless I sit by the computer all day long.

    • media_lush

      nah, that would just be dilution IMO…. just keeping up with all the comments here is hard work if you try to read all of them

      • outraged

        That is exactly my point. I can’t keep up!! There are hundreds and hundreds of comments.

        • media_lush

          there are numerous techniques to cut through the chaff…. you can chose to follow your favourite commentators and then go to your disqus dashboard to see just their posts…. some threads, especially late at night go on off-topic tangents and will garner a lot of replies… any comment you feel irrelevant you can collapse by clicking the straight line at the right of the avatar line… it’s hidden by default so you have to move your cursor above and too the right until it appears…. this works until you re-click it so reloading the page keeps the comment thread hidden

        • media_lush

          I’ve mentioned it a couple of time over there that my blog isn’t for discussion (with me at least) as, well, jumping all over the place is just such a hassle… plus different commentating formats etc… what a few people have done is that if there’s something over there that hasn’t been caught here then they’ll start a comment here along the lines of “did you see Lush’s pic of Cruise with a penis as a nose” and it may, or may not, start a comment thread here. A big part of getting people to discuss what angle interests you is to put a bit of thought and effort into starting a new thread…. being good at photoshop, poetry, analysis, etc all help

          • outraged

            I love your blog. And I totally understand why you do not take comments. Neither does Lainey. It makes sense.

            I spend my evenings reading at least FIFTEEN different Scientology blogs, articles, websites, watching new Karen videos, and laughing at Scientology Bollocks. A ton of stuff is out there about Scientology right now.

            It would be wonderful to have one place where all the links are listed. One place where everyone feels welcome, where you could post a topic on the new SA OSA goons or someone’s tragic suicide or the new protest in LA. NOt a blog filled with information and opinion like The Bunker. Not a blog that captures all the latest and greatest like Scientology Bollocks. A forum. Like ESMB and WWP. I am not allowed to join ESMB and frankly, thought I LOVE Black Robs’s Thetan Mirror thread, WWP is way too misogynistic for me.

            Just a thought.

            • media_lush

              more and more people are finding out about this cult and and it really is internet catnip… the more you learn the more you want to find out, especially as the stories are just so unbelievable in this day and age… I rely on others here to post the choice stuff from ESMB and WWP so I never feel left out…. there’s one facebook group worth looking at, actually the only one IMO “SPs ‘r’ US. Anyway, The Bunker is pretty much the mother lode – it’s doubtful you’d miss anything good as sooner rather than later it always ends up here… in fact the best stuff nearly originates from here in the first place.

            • outraged

              I guess I just feel weird posting porn info on Tom Cruise (see below) when the topic is such a tragic upsetting story.

              Most of all, if I miss one of Tony;s excellent posts, I can read them anytime. But the ONLY comments I can read later are either the newest or the best.

            • Espiando

              WWP is misogynistic because it originally came out of Anon, and every Anon knows that there are no girls on the interbutt.

          • Zana

            Where is your blog? I’d like to go see it. πŸ™‚

    • Jimmy3

      This is a great idea. I can see it. There would be story time and nap time and snack time and play time. And we could all laugh and cry and drink lemonade and hold hands and shit rainbows and no trolls would come there. Except for.. Oh no… Espiando is arrested after being the first person ever to stab someone in the face over the internet. Right through their monitor. WTF? How? They survive, but the Scientology Is Going Down Forum has been shut down permanently and several of the regulars are indicted as co-conspirators. God, this is a nightmare, please wake me up…

      • Captain Howdy

        You forgot to end with tick tock.

        • Jimmy3

          Nope. In this dreamscape, edits are not retroactive, they actually exploit time and attach to the original post. And when you make an edit, you get a juice box* of your choice in present time.

          *Capri Sun does not count as a juice box because IT IS A POUCH NOT A BOX.

          • Captain Howdy

            Did you catch the mouseketeer comment earlier where we were instructed to not capitalize any name having to do with Miscavige or Hubbard and that we should end all of our comments with “tick tock”?

            • Jimmy3

              No. I began browsing through the Best of comments a bit ago and was distracted by something else. Where can I find it?
              (I’m guessing not in the ‘best of’ sorting)

            • Captain Howdy

              Way, way, way back

            • Jimmy3

              New thread or reply and what name? I’m now intrigued by these instructions from a mouseketeer.

            • noseinabk

              Cmon J, just go with it. MIC. Miscavidge is a c..,KEY….

            • Jimmy3

              Well, I think I know what you mean, but I see no such comment. Perhaps it was edited or I’m missing it.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m getting ready to hit the deck so I’m of no use for a locational. Tah!

      • outraged

        The Scientology Going Down forum never goes down. And comments never go missing.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Actually, you just described ESMB.

      • outraged

        I am not allowed to join ESMB, having the mixed blessing of being an ex-member of a cult other than Scientology. I tried to create an account but could not pass the entrance exam.

        • DodoTheLaser

          That’s odd, because anyone can join it. Try again.

          • outraged

            Just tried again. The Random Question is this:

            What is the technical “Mecca” of Scientology called?

            I said the E-meter which is probably wrong.

            It was! I was denied membership.

            Each time it is a different Scientology question.

            • Miss Tia

              Mecca of $cientology is ‘Flag’ in Clearwater….you could google the answers too….

            • outraged

              I tried to join AGAIN.

              This time the questions was:
              The Science of……

              I googled that, found nothing. So I just put Scientology.

              Rejected, again. This is NOT my fault.

              I really do not feel welcome as a member of this forum. I have applied FOUR times now and each time I get rejected. Maybe if someone here was online while I was applying and could answer the questions.

              But why do they have a random scientology question generator if they welcome non-scientologists?

            • Miss Tia

              Science of Mental Health…..that’s the subtitle of Dianetics…..i think it still is….

            • outraged

              Help!! are you here now? I am going to join and put the question here….

            • Miss Tia

              yes, Xenu–sorry I wasn’t checking disqus….you can shoot me an email—i get notifications ASAP tia@misstia.com

            • outraged

              Yay!! I did it. Xenu is the high and mighty overlord. Thank you!!!!!!

            • Miss Tia

              HOORAY!!!! πŸ˜€

            • outraged

              What is the name of the evil intergalactic overload who caused the OT3 disaster?

              Google says Dr. Who but i know that is not right.

              Can someone tell me the name? Xenu?

        • Jimmy3
          • outraged

            No. I mean the sign up page.
            http://www.forum.exscn.net/register.php

            I filled out everything and then was asked a few questions about OT levels that I had NO idea how to answer and did not want to lie. I thought only ex-scientologists can join. Is that not true?

            • Jimmy3

              You can join without being an ex. It’s not an exam, it’s one random question to prevent bot accounts. I don’t post there or have an account, so only now looking at this registration page. The questions are pretty simple. Try again and see what the question is.

            • outraged

              see below.
              Maybe simple for you. I know I have a high IQ but I have failed four times now. And it DOES feel like an exam.

  • Dancing Cranberry
    • Dancing Cranberry

      safe

    • Eclipse-girl

      I can post later

      • Dancing Cranberry

        Thanks, Eclipse-girl.

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Please, disqus, let me make this post. I promise that it is my last such post tonight.

    Some new ads here: USA and Jo-burg

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-62#post-2434950

    • Dancing Cranberry

      my 4th attempt!

    • Eclipse-girl

      save

    • AnonRedX

      Ty aegerprimo

  • Jonathan Cummings

    That poor old lady probably had to pay 150 grand to get rewarded with that sad little beach ball. Just a couple more motorcycles for the Dwarfed Motherfucker!

  • Artoo45

    I guess they got caught . . . If they were ever real in the first place. Dammit, I wanted to hear their Theresa and Jeremy Blake story!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Sheldon posted on his FB that Sara and Nick Goldberg will be on Good Morning America tomorrow morning around 7:30AM. This story IS making WAVES!

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you. I’ll TIVO it.

      • DodoTheLaser

        7:30 or 9am, I guess depending on where you are.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ll just record the whole show. It comes on at 7:00 West Coast time.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Great. Thank you.

    • cs sarabia

      YES!!! I was asking on yesterday’s post (now the day before) whether the Goldbergs would be making the early morning news shows or the talk shows. After all, the Today Show flies out that circus of a family, the Duggers. Why not have REAL families WHO SUFFER as the result of CORPORATE SCIENTOLOGY?!?!?

      It’s happening. And I’m all there. I haven’t watched Today *in about a decade, but my Californian ass will be watching!!!

      ETA: *in about a decade

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes, I remember you asking that! And so your/our wish is granted! πŸ™‚

      • “Recovering from SCientology Disconnection”
        or “Jumping off the Boat-How I escaped the Sea Org”

        Reality shows! Yes! Great Idea CS

    • Sydjazz

      Made it downunder. She is clearing the world lol

  • DodoTheLaser

    Here is some early Monday Funnies for you from COB and OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    Click the picture to magnify.

    “Captain David Miscavige and the Sea Org in 2017”
    http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2014/03/17/captain-david-miscavige-and-the-sea-org-in-2017/

  • valshifter

    Marcus is an actor, Marcus can see his dreams flushed down the drain inside the cult. The bust of LRH is creepy looks like a crow.

    • DodoTheLaser

      There is whole different kind of acting going on in scientology, indeed…

  • valshifter

    “Fighting for the freedom of every spirit on silicon valley”
    Those Body thetans are sure going to be happy to be free at the cost of 500K out of my pocket. Too bad I wont even know who they are or how they look like or what will be of their life after I free them. oh well I will obey LRH tech and policies blindly and hope everything is going to be dandy, all I have to do is keep at it exorcising imaginary spirits out of my skin, thanks LRH for such a wonderful bridge and my love and respect to dear leader David Marcabian the guardian of the tech.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yes, that’s how it works. So theta!!!

    • Sydjazz

      Oh you are so upstat. Lrh would be proud. (I just slapped myself) lol

  • DodoTheLaser

    Welcome to The Freewinds!
    (Pic stolen from Patty Moher).

  • DodoTheLaser

    Random thought – I will pay to see John Travolta and Tom Cruise in the same movie, talking to each other.
    I mean – both are top actors and top scientologists, but it’s like they are disconnected from each other.

    • Sydjazz

      Yeah true they aren’t exactly brothers in arms

  • Ho Tai

    That San Diego piece is really something. The staff standing around the dirty K-rail on what looks like a rooftop. How upstat. The woman who looks like she is gleefully diving down a filthy laundry chute. The bright young person who apparently is trying to entice you to put your eternal future into her hands which appear to not be able to legally cast a ballot. The come-on chick with her hands on her hips (actually there are two of them). What is the message that is being sent? Are these people capable of understanding what the outside world will see in their ad?

  • Sydjazz

    Hehe that story was on the news down under today. Karen kapow sent the usual we don’t do disconnection. Then they showed the letter saying disconnection and quoting the lrh policy. Umm kapow lol. Feels gOod when they get caught out

  • AintMizBahavin

    Hello Bunkerites i hope everyones been well.. spent the past week catching up on all i missed. since i had to take a break to handle health and life issues….. while reading the stories of disconnections i remembered this video i found on youtube. and not sure if anyone here has seen it but if not. this more then proves the destruction and hazards of being involved with lyingtology..

    http://youtu.be/SFRt5rPYoBc
    until nothing remains is the name of it

    • AintMizBahavin

      click the cc for english subtitles

  • Brandon Roberts

    scientology dangerous cult

  • Hyder Simpson

    Test