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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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Scientology’s drug rehab network sued for conspiring to misuse counseling credentials

Eric Tenorio

Eric Tenorio

The National Association of Forensic Counselors filed a stunning lawsuit on Friday against not only Scientology’s Narconon drug rehab network in the US, Canada, and the UK, but also Scientology leader David Miscavige himself, alleging that Scientology knowingly and for years conspired to give the false impression that its rehab facilities and many of its staff members were accredited by the NAFC.

This lawsuit is the culmination of an investigation that began more than a year ago. At that time, we talked to Karla Taylor, CEO of the NAFC, who was incensed when she found out that Narconon officials were falsely claiming to be certified by her organization.

We also learned at that time that it was former Narconon employee Eric Tenorio who had made a formal complaint to the NAFC which began Taylor’s investigation. Tenorio alleged that Narconon employees were obtaining their individual certifications as Certified Chemical Dependency Counselors (CCDC) through fraudulent means, and were not notifying the NAFC that multiple deaths had occurred at Narconon’s flagship facility, Narconon Arrowhead in Oklahoma, resulting in multiple county and state investigations.

Taylor told us that not reporting those deaths could mean automatic suspension or revocation for the certification holders — and sure enough, Narconon Arrowhead CEO Gary Smith’s CCDC was soon taken away, as we reported on March 7, 2013.

But Taylor also complained at that time that the Narconon network’s many websites were misusing the NAFC logo, and were giving the impression that Narconon’s unscientific drug treatment program itself had been accredited by the NAFC. As Taylor made very clear, only individuals are certified by the NAFC, not whole organizations.

It was clear to us last year that Taylor was extremely frustrated that Narconon seemed to be making a concerted effort to appear legitimized by the NAFC by misusing its trademarks and logos.

And now, a year later, the NAFC is taking action. The lawsuit the NAFC filed Friday lists a huge number of defendants, as you’ll see in the complaint itself, which we’ve posted below. Not only is Gary Smith in there, but so is Scientology leader David Miscavige — and we’ve seen in a Texas lawsuit how Scientology reacts when Miscavige is named as a defendant, with an army of lawyers and intense legal warfare.

But Taylor and the NAFC chose a law firm that already has considerable experience investigating Narconon — the lawsuit was filed by Gary Richardson’s Tulsa firm. The former prosecutor is handling more than ten lawsuits against Narconon Arrowhead, including wrongful death claims filed on behalf of the families of three patients who died at the facility in 2011 and 2012.

We’ll get Gary Richardson and Karla Taylor on the phone as soon as we’re able.

In the meantime, we have the complaint itself, which does more than describe that some individual staff members at Narconon facilities were pretending to have certifications that had expired, been revoked, or had never existed.

Just one example that seems almost beyond the pale: Clark Carr, the former comedian and current president of Narconon International is accused of advertising that he had a counseling certificate before he’d actually obtained it, and he continues to call himself certified when his CCDC expired in 2012.

And that’s the guy who runs the entire rehab network.

The complaint also lists a large number of URLs for the generic referral websites that have, the NAFC says, been misusing its logo. As we’ve pointed out before, these notorious websites pretend to have no connection to Narconon, when scripts they use push people who inquire to the Scientology network.

Another very intriguing element of the lawsuit: The NAFC says that David Miscavige, at a Scientology event, publicly gave bogus information about Narconon’s certification. We’ll do our best to find video of that event if it exists.

After citing dozens of misuses of the NAFC’s certifications and logos, the lawsuit then aims at the overall picture — that Scientology has conspired to misuse these trademarks in order to give Narconon a veneer of legitimacy, and, by extension, to Scientology itself…

Defendant Narconon Georgia was raided and shut down by the local authorities, yet continues to use improperly the NAFC logo on its website without consent as recently as September 2, 2013, long after the raid, revocation and NAFC’s cease and desist letter.

Defendants Narconon International, ABLE, Friends of Narconon, RTC, and Church of Scientology International operate a common scheme with the Narconon Treatment Centers, the Narconon Referral Entities and the other individual Defendants to promote the Narconon Network through the misuse of NAFC logos, trademarks, and certifications.

Ultimately, the promotion of the Narconon Network is done to further the goals and purposes of the Church of Scientology to “clear” the world and for planetary dissemination of Scientology ideals.

The Scientology religion is carried out through corporations, such as Narconon, which are repsonsible for delivering Scientology religious technology in their operations.

The NAFC logos and designations are willfully used by Defendants to bolster the credibility of the Narconon Treatment Centers and counselors in order to draw members into the Church of Scientology and for the increase in profit at the expense of Plaintiffs.

Plaintiffs have recently learned about Defendants’ schemes and misuse of the certifications, logos and links.

As a consequence of Defendants’ actions, the NAFC certifications have been devalued to the public, the State registration boards, the national boards and the national authorities, including causing serious questions concerning the independence of NAFC.

As a consequence of Defendants’ actions, Plaintiffs have suffered significant financial and reputational damages while Defendants have obtained significant financial and reputational benefit.

 
“This could be devastating for the Narconon name if other news organizations pick this up and report that Narconon for years has been misrepresenting itself as a legitimate treatment organization,” a former Narconon employee tells us.

And the timing couldn’t be worse. Just last month, we released internal documents which show that Narconon Arrowhead has surprisingly low numbers of patients, and is taking in far less money than it spends.

But Narconon is trying to deal with the loss of NAFC certifications. The former employee tells us that the rehab centers have moved on to another certification scheme after the NAFC revoked so many credentials last year.

“They’ve started pushing employees to get certified as ‘RAS’ — registered addiction specialist — by the Breining Institute,” he tells us. “They’ve had someone going around to the Narconons getting employees to do crash courses in it.”

He pointed out that it sounded a lot like the way Narconon previously pushed the NAFC’s credentials.

Here’s the complaint…

 

NAFC vs Narconon: Complaint

 
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  • Minion Gayle

    David’s year just keeps getting better and better, doesn’t it?

    They better start sending some of their Sea Org members to crash law school courses or they’re gonna run out of attorneys.

    • NOLAGirl

      I’d love to hear a story of an attorney that declined to represent them. Hehehehe!!

      • D.Y.G.

        There is one in Clearwater. I don’t remember where I saw the video and I don’t remember his name. He’s older now but then he was young and just starting out on his own, and Co$ came knocking. He thought about it and turned them down.

  • And I’m Cute, Too

    I love to read about this. More lawsuits, more investigations, more headaches for Miscavige! More, more, MORE!! :)

    Keep ‘em coming, ladies and gents… At this rate, it’ll reach critical mass soon enough.

  • ze moo

    “— that Scientology has conspired to misuse these trademarks in order to
    give Narconon a veneer of legitimacy, and, by extension, to Scientology
    itself…”

    That sentence alone indicts all of clamdom. I expect a major IAS drive to protect NarCONon. Or all the franchises will be on their own. Maybe both, after all, no one knows if the IAS actually spends money on what they promised.

    It has been 1 year since NarCONon Georgia (corporate) settled with the state of Georgia over the crimes that the NarCONon carried out. Why have no individuals been charged with insurance fraud? I would have thought Mary Reiser would have been stuck in the bus wheel well by now.

    • NOLAGirl

      I’ve been wondering if Co$ will just cut Narconon loose too and leave them holding the legal bag. I hope someone archives all the lies on the Co$ website about all their good works through Narconon. They may not be there soon.

      • Juicer77

        I certainly expect that the plaintiff’s attorneys will have pre-emptively done the research and already have the proof in hand to show how all Narconon activities point straight at CO$. They seem to be a pretty savvy law firm and knowledgeable about the underhanded tactics they will face from the defense. The best thing they can do is lay it all out and then ask for an explanation. Then sit back and wait for the cherch attorneys to go into a verbal death spiral.

      • Sejanus

        I suspect there is a specially built enormous bus being built right now at Int Base to handle throwing Narconon under it.

        • SOL

          Will Smith is lending his McMansion motor home.

          https://www.google.com/search?q=will+smith+bus&oq=will+smith+bus&aqs=chrome..69i57.3149j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8

          • Sejanus

            By Xenu’s Taint that’s a friggin train car with a side order of Winnebago!

            • SOL

              Can you imagine getting stuck behind it on, say, I-5? “I’m RICH, so deal with it.” I wonder what kind of mileage it gets. (Well, no –actually I don’t wonder.)

      • Barbara Angel

        Thought so too, but the video of slappy boasting how well narCON is working will be his undoing. Would be terrific if they could drag TC into this mess as he’s on record for defending co$ and narCON.

  • Hamtaro

    Off topic, but: would you be particularly upset if I asked you to push all your Red-X arrows at our favorite target, M.r JJ of Boston?

    I’ve put no less that 200 discrete Red’Xs on this particular bastard and he still has seven standing ads.
    Could you donate ten minutes of your time to Red-X his stupid ass twenty times from ten different IPs?
    It’s not a necessity to take down the cult at every juncture to prove that we can take them down at *any* juncture we put our minds to…

    • ParticleMom

      Get out of my city, JJ! XXXXX

    • Pierrot

      1 Chinese gone, 4 downed 6 to go!

      • Hamtaro

        Yaaaaaaaayyyyyy!!!! C’mon Red-Xers. Let’s put all our determination to it and show JJ what an insignificant piece of postulated puss he really is.

        • Pierrot

          Hamtaro,
          if you are not a member of wwp, can you become one.
          Any handle, let me know when you are registered and we will contact you by private message.

          • Hamtaro

            Not on WWP at this time. Can you give me an email (or something) where I can contact someone? Preferably you.

            • Pierrot

              whoo, this is a public blog / forum.
              That is why you need to register as a wwp member and then I can invite you for a private conversation. I can’t remember the process, but if Barbara Angel and I could do it so can anybody.
              Follow the instructions
              The menus are at the top of the page.

            • Hamtaro

              Ah, Obi Wan…understood. Will register and contact you there. :D

            • Toni m

              Be careful dear Pierrot.

            • Pierrot

              Thanks Toni m, we got caught, I will be more careful in the future.
              We have not seen you for a while, nice to have you back.

      • Hamtaro

        I can’t believe it: Japanese students just bit the dust.
        Just five left to go….

        C’mon Bunkerites. We can do this!
        Red-X till it hurts! Let JJ come to work and find a big bowl of CRASHED STATS!!!

    • TheCat’sKnees

      I’m not sure how it would be done, but I’d sign up for SMS alerts of JJ’s postings or something. Actually, I used to create RSS notifications with certain search terms when I was looking for apartments way back. I wonder if that’s something we could use to get on these much faster.

      Edit: here’s all that’s left, I think: http://boston.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=%28boston+stude*+click+here%29-cila

      • Pierrot

        sounds good, but I have little knowledge about RSS and all that. I am a retired old fart….
        Hopefully some bright eyed youngster will take up the challenge.

        • TheCat’sKnees

          Yeah, that was years ago back when there were actually RSS readers, and it was fairly easy. Checking to see what the 2014 version of that is… Maybe something like https://ifttt.com/recipes/506-call-me-if-my-address-is-posted-on-craigslist

          • Pierrot

            we will appreciate any help to make the job more efficient, we know that speed is a definite factor.

            • TheCat’sKnees

              Yep! I had to play with it a bit, but think I have it set up to text my cell phone when any new post by JJ goes up. For the example, I used the “Boston students click here” search.

              https://ifttt.com/recipes/175940-craigslist-search-to-text-message

            • Pierrot

              Thanks Cat’sKnees, I will pass the tip on.
              Keep on the good work
              I will let you know how it goes and I am sure we will hear from you.

    • Nancy Law

      I’ve been to that craig’s list site but I do not know how you red flag an ad. Is there a link to go to with instructions? I do not use craig’s list for anything. Tks.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Dolly’s method:

        1 I open all the blues on a page using the scroll wheel in the middle of
        the mouse (or use Ctrl+Click)

        2 ctrl+w to get rid of that page when it is entirely purple

        3 Then, on the first actual ad page, with one hand on the mouse, and the
        cursor poised over the word “prohibited”, click it

        4 The second “flagged” appears, ctrl+w with my other hand -
        this closes that ad

        5 The next tab automatically opens and both hands are in position – one
        on the mouse the other on ctrl+w

        You can do a bunch of them in seconds this way
        I use the same method with Chrome on Linux and Firefox on Windows
        And of course you can do the same for the purple ones.

      • Pierrot

        Hi Nancy,
        welcome to the club.
        At the top of the daily list you will see a couple of links, the third one takes you to a kind of tutorial with a video from Vistaril.
        Here is the link. Any question, do not hesitate

        http://tonyortega.org/2014/04/03/we-asked-david-miscaviges-tailor-for-his-exact-height-and-heres-what-he-told-us/#comment-1317869291

      • Juicer77

        Welcome, Nancy. Several times a day posts will show up here for the Red-X Brigade, including the link to the WhyWeProtest page. Just click on that blue link. A new page will open to the WhyWeProtest page, showing a list of links on Craig’slist where Scientology ads are showing up. The tutorials are helpful as well, so check them out. Once you’ve chosen an area (i.e. Tampa) and opened an ad, at the top of the page is a box you can click on to flag the ad as “inappropriate.” When the red X appears it will say “flagged” and you can move on to the next. Happy flagging! (Sorry if any of this is too basic for you).

    • Barbara Angel

      That can happen a lot and left me disillusioned in the beginning. It still happens and the co$ shit seems stuck to the wall at times. I nearly gave up as it felt like I was the only one flagging them. Happy to say this is only with some of them, we are having success. Lost count how many times I’ve flagged Dublin and yet there they sit, waiting for more back up please.

      • Hamtaro

        Hi Barbara,
        Since I posted that, the three new ones got removed and only the four old ones are left. I am totally willing to flag new Dublin ads for you and I have a VPN, so I’ll do it from several different IPs. If you can add an “alert” below Pierrot’s list each day OR communicate with him and get the link added to his list, I’ll take it from there. :D

        BTW, the consensus seems to be that once the ads get to be 5 or 6 days old, they just won’t get flagged off, so it’s useless to keep hitting them. OTOH, ones that are 1-12 hours old fall much more easily. If you post the link right in the daily thread here at Tony’s, you’ll likely get a lot of folks who’ll flag them right then for you. Including me.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    TICK TOCK goes Tory’s clock.

    Go add a little weight on the Lil McSavage boy’s shoulders.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-82#post-2455797

    • Juicer77

      Hit them again.

      • Pierrot

        Juicer77,
        if you are not a member of wwp, can you become one.
        Any handle, let me know when you are registered and we will contact you by private message.

        • Juicer77

          I’m on now, as Juicer77 there too.

          • Pierrot

            Hi Juicer77, I will contact you, later after the little problem that we had with Hamtaro, we need to make sure. I hope that you understand.
            Speak to you soon. Need some coffee first.

        • Juicer77

          (Disqus issue again). I’m on now as Juicer77 there too. BTW I just saw the posts involving faux-Hamtaro. Hopefully the troll has left the building.

          • Pierrot

            Speak to you later

    • Zephyr

      Hit em

  • Chee Chalker

    The plaintiffs should add a defamation claim…..see paragraph 248……NBAE now uses the LRH TECH??? It changed the way NBAE thinks? That is just embarrassing.
    What I love most about this suit is that cob is being called on the carpet to defend the ridiculous assertions from those speeches.
    Why the sheeple do not question the stats thrown at them is beyond me. Take TC’s “we are the authority” speech. Really Tom? The Co$ is the authority on getting people off drugs, reforming criminals, helping at roadside accidents…….and your proof is ????? Honestly, open your eyes OSA bots who read this blog.

  • Science Doc

    This is devastating for them and should help the other cases substantially.

  • Robert Eckert

    OT: the Oregon same-sex marriage ruling will be handed down at noon today (3PM Eastern time zone)

  • Mark

    BREAKING NEWS: Photo of Shortarse’s obscenely vulgar luxury office complex at Int Base not revealed on Mike Rinder’s blog (refresh):

    • TDA1541A

      nice

      • Mark

        Thanks :) I like Mike Rinder’s description of how Shortarse only ever used this library once “to show Tom Cruise how cool his junk was so that Tom could say ‘Wow, Dave you are so awesome I wish I could have junk like you have.’”

        • TDA1541A

          Poor Tom cruise, he must have real shitty junk than himself.

  • Hamtaro

    I love Sundays:
    Brunch with the family…eggs benedict, crepes suzette, pigs in a blanket, waffles, cheesecake and…
    Whoa! Red-X…Red-X on a duplicitous ad, Red-X on a book sale, Red-X on an invite to be Sea Org….
    Red-X up in herrre*
    *the extra “r” is for those of you who are able to recognize. Nelly ain’t dead, he’s just restin’

  • Zana

    Wow! That document is fantastic! Boy, did they do their homework! I look forward to reading what the legal minds and attorneys have to say about it!!! Wowweeee!! Thank you, Tony, for such FABULOUS reporting!

  • AmoVolare

    135) …. they link a site for… incontinence instead of the certifying site… LOL!

  • Sid_Snakey

    Miscavige being sued for trademark violation – oh the irony…

  • Silence of the Clams

    So, this is interesting. At the top of Tonys blog is an ad for “drug rehab”. Of course, I clicked the link. So it goes to this web page (www.arccenters.com). Nice page with a smiley lady who is happy to be alive and well. The first thing I noticed is their 75% graduation rate (translated: success rate). Uh oh….this smells a lot like something else I’ve heard.

    So I find out the site is owned by a company call Three Poplars LLC out of Kentucky. Their admin contact is a guy named Edwin Orange (here is his linkedin link: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edwinorange). The three poplars site has a home page with NO content and hasn’t been touched since 2012, yet Edwin says he is the current public affairs executive. One of the groups he follows on Linkedin is Addiction Recovery Care (ARC). They claim to be a Christian organization.

    Not sure if this is a front group but isn’t it a shame that because of that scumbag Tiny Fists, I am skeptical of this place? Just more carnage from Scientology. And I guess that’s my long-winded point. It’s not just the direct effects of Scientology that are so disgusting, it’s also collateral damage they do to families, communities and society.

    You know, eventually all of these lawsuits are going to find an end-game and Daveys ‘panic button’ isn’t going to be able to keep his cellmate Bubba from delivering some ‘tech’ to his hind quarters.

    • Bavarian Rage

      A new acquaintance is entering a rehab tomorrow that boasts a 37% success rate. Personally I’m happy about that. Sounds like honest advertising. The client shares responsibility in his/her success. One’s own decisions upon exit determines everything.

      • Snippy_X

        This is a realistic success rate. Anything higher and they are lying.

  • Jgg2012

    About time. They also misuse Oxford University’s name (“Oxford capacity test” is what they call there bogus personality test), other company’s logo’s and characters in their flyers, misstate their membership by a factor of 1,000 and so on and so on and so forth.

    • Missionary Kid

      They can’t be sued over “Oxford capacity test” because it doesn’t say Oxford University. Yes, I know that they sleazeball everything, but it is the reader or person who hears “Oxford” that infers that it comes from the University.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        I understand some of the registrars have been known to claim the test was developed by Oxford U, but COS has been smart enough never to claim that in writing.

        • Missionary Kid

          The slime just oozes out of clamland, doesn’t it? As I’ve said before, mendacity is a sacrament in $cientology.

      • SOL

        Well, that’s an unfortunate loophole. There oughta be a law against intentionally misleading people. I suppose if pushed they could always say the test is named after cloth. Or shoes. Or cloth shoes.

        • Missionary Kid

          Or U.S. cities and towns, like Oxford, MA, Mississippi or Ohio.

          • SOL

            And of course there’s the widely-used Harvard (Nebraska) Stress Test.

  • Sidney18511

    Page 37 is a must read as it explains what DM said to his flock (it’s the typical COS bullshit and it will blow your mind). They are also going for the money that was made by Narconon during the time they were falsely claiming they were “certified”.

    They also say that the purpose of COSs trademark infringement was to gain “respectability” and to suck people into the cult.

    If you haven’t read it, please do. It’s amazing.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Sorry for my ignorance. Is Page 37 a website?

      • Observer

        Page 37 of the NAFC complaint linked above

        • Bavarian Rage

          D’oh!!! (Homer Simpson smack to the head!)

  • Sejanus

    Dear Sea Org,

    For His Tiny Popinessess next emergence date celebration might I suggest somethings he could really use based on all these lawsuits naming him personally….

    25 year to life supply of soap on a rope.
    40 pairs of shower flip flops
    a trailer of Kool Menthols…inmates love menthol.
    astroglide…inmates love astroglide
    25 pairs of petit long johns with the trap doors in them…inmates love trap doors

    and finally a henna tattoo tramp stamp that says straight up and vertical…inmates love…well you get the idea. :D

  • flyonthewall

    We are coming for you Co$ bastards

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoO89cqDgJU

    • DeElizabethan

      Supah!

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    You can get the National Association of Forensic Counselors on Facebook.

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    Clark Carr I remember that filthy dung heap from the a.r.s days. But what is interesting is the question of whether these Scientology criminals were ordered by the NAFC to cease and desist in their fraudulent assaults against the NAFC, and whether the crooks were afforded the opportunity to stop doing it prior to the lawsuit.

    I’ll read the court filings however usually criminals are given the chance to stop their crimes, step #1 is to issue crooks an order to stop, step #2 is to observe the criminals to see if their actions continue, and step #3 is to file criminal and/or civil complaints against the crooks.

    So it should be interesting to see what letters demanding that these Scientology criminals stop were sent, if any and it should be interesting to see if David and the other criminals responded or just ignored the demands.

    • flyonthewall

      Per the filing, NAFC notified them back in late 2013 to cease and they were ignored, March and/or Sep if I remember correctly. I’m sure the jury will find it interesting Narconon only complied after the lawsuit was filed

      • Dr_Orpheus

        They never saw that cease and desist because some SP deliberately threw it in the trash to cause them legal trouble.

        • flyonthewall

          Ahh, the old insane SP defense. Well I say we burn them at the stake for being PTS to the SP and then all go out for milkshakes

          • Dr_Orpheus

            What’s really pathetic is that His Oiliness seems to have little trouble finding flunkies willing to throw themselves under the bus with no expectations of material rewards on their part. I doubt any American CEO would be able to persuade subordinates to do the same without substantial bribes and/or blackmail involved.

      • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

        Ah thank you very much, your eyes are better than mine. :) It takes me a while to pick through documents such as this and I was wondering. I also see commentary going back a year where offenders were offered the opportunity to cease and desist. Seems that a few people did yet 90% and more ignored the demands.

        Fascinating, I can’t wait to see how David’s lawyers respond — beyond the usual motions to dismiss and demands that David has nothing to do with NarCONon since NarCONon is not Scientology. :)

        Thanks, that answers that question of mine.

        • D.Y.G.

          Also, the individuals who had their certifications yanked were ordered to return the certs plus wallet cards and they didn’t comply.

          • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

            These god damned fucking murdering assholes really make me angry some times.

            • Jgg2012

              Why? Because your tax dollars are paying for them?

          • SOL

            I was shocked to learn that anyone associated with Narconon ever had certification.

    • Jgg2012

      Is David Miscavige going to be deposed? Will he appear if subpoenaed?

      • Robert Eckert

        Tune in next week, same bat time, same bat channel!

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        No.he’ll be hiding in his bunker w/ single malt,carton’s of cigarettes and lou for some occasional lip service. “The sky is falling”

        • Jgg2012

          Is his bunker near the Underground Bunker?

  • Jo

    Narconon former UK President, John Wood will be attending a wee protest on the 24th June, London. See pic.
    See link too :) http://www.holysmoke.org/narconon/narconon-president-imploded.htm

    • Panopea Abrupta

      So, from what I see in that photo, $cientologists are revolting.
      I already knew that :(

    • Frodis73

      That interview was such a joke. Thanks for sharing it though-idiot can’t even answer a simple question.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Troubles and woes,
    Lil FiveOne knows,
    Gonna reap what he sows
    Anyway the wind blows.

    Go get his blues:
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-82#post-2455797

    • philosofa

      YaY! We’re getting there with clammy JJ in Boston! Down from 7 to 5 ads remaining. Another push and we could take them all doooooown :D

      http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cls/4473191090.html

      • Pierrot

        It was 11 this morning 8am edt. The last 4 are sticking harder as they are older

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    Amusing. These insane criminals have been updating their web sites now that the civil lawsuit has been filed. This Google Cache shows:

    In addition to belonging to the National Association of Forensic Counselors and the California Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs, these Northern California Narconon centers have an A+ rating with the Better Business Bureau. The Registered Addiction Specialists are knowledgeable and caring, providing the best care for an addict as he or she leaves drugs or alcohol behind for good.

    However The Current Web Page the insane crooks removed the entire section where they made the fraudulent claims.

    So they are starting to comply with the NAFC demands after the fact.

    • SOL

      And AFTER the damage has been done. “Damn that wascally internet!”

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    By the way, use WinHTtrack to download Scientology’s web sites and make archives of them, the tool is free and it allows you to archive evidence for later use. All of these web sites in the civil complaint need to be downloaded and archived where possible.

    And by the way: WinHTTrack also grabs obscure files, PDF, Microsoft Word documents, XML spread sheets, stuff that the crooks would rather not be made generally public but are obscured or hidden through invisible links, so after you obtain a mirror copy of their web sites, you can search for PDF and such to find documents they would rather not have in the hands of prosecutors or attorneys.

    • flyonthewall

      I’m sure NAFC’s lawyers ran that and captured everything they needed to secure a win. This thing has been in the works for a long time :) My God, it reads like the most depraved intricate kind of pyramid scheme ever. Madoff would be proud

      • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

        It looks like they did their homework, they have a reputation to uphold. If they allow these people to sully their reputation, they are pointless.

        • flyonthewall

          Oh yes, this is gonna be sweet. When these lawsuits are filed it’s like xmas presents waiting under the tree to be opened. Except in this analogy it takes like 5 yrs for xmas to come!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Five One, Five One,
    What-ya-gonna-do?
    What-ya-gonna-do when they come for you?

    Five One, Five One,
    Runnin’ for the loo,
    Can’t face the law when they come for you.

    You thought that you were so great,
    Gettin’ off spewing out that hate.
    Why you scared of the justice, fool?
    Your own fist comin’ back at you.

    Five One, Five One,
    What-ya-gonna-do?
    What-ya-gonna-do when they come for you?

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s great. I put it with the POEMS ABOUT DAVY under THINGS SAID ABOUT DAVID MI$CAVIGE http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084224788

    • Tory Christman

      Tick Tock….”Dave” :) “Ultimately, the promotion of the Narconon Network is done to further the
      goals and purposes of the Church of Scientology to “clear” the world
      and for planetary dissemination of Scientology ideals.” I know C of $ has, for years, TRIED (and Failed) to say they are separate from Narconon. I worked at Narconon, Int briefly. EVERY Thursday before 2:00 ($cientology’s end week when ALL “Statistics” have to be “IN” and counted….the International Narconon “Stats” would come in, and be sent “uplines” to $cientology. They are most defintely under the $cientology, Inc Umbrella—which was what got their “Narconon Drug Education” crap kicked out of ALL California State Schools. If you live in the USA—check your local schools to see if they’ve weaseled into the school system. It’s a violation of “Church and State”. Way to go, Tony O and all here :) :::Cheers:: Tory/Magoo

    • Kitz

      Oh dear….. O.o

    • Barbara Angel

      Love, love, love it. Slappy will bail before they come for him.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Reuters

    Breaking News

    The Thetanic Strikes Major Legal Iceberg

    Reports of a major maritime disaster are coming from the Atlantic (certainly not the Pacific.)

    Human wreckage in the wake of the known course of the Thetanic has been observed for hundreds of miles and over several decades.
    It has been suggested that some whales may have been struck.
    Certainly, many crew members, especially those working in the Steerage Class, have been struck.

    The Captain has refused to abandon the ship which is taking water at an alarming rate.
    He is busy cutting ribbons on the Bridge and said that there was a chainlocker for any passengers who needed to be reassured.
    The bland plays on.

    Crusty Alley, official Apocalype Sow to the Cruise company, offered dietary advice.
    John Travolta said he would fly an emergency load of KY Jelly as relief support, as soon as he could find some Volunteers to Minister touch assists to him.
    Karin Puow, official spookedperson, was unable to answer our calls as she was busy cleaning septic tanks with her tongue.

    Family members of crew and passengers, many of whom have been unable to contact their loved ones, await anxiously.
    President Obama offered any help the United States could bring.
    Tommy Davis said he hadn’t the fucking rank to offer help.
    Sarah Palin said she could see Russia.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      The good news is that the Thetanic has a luxurious lifeboat with mink carpeting, a top of the line home entertainment system, first rate food supplies, and solid gold bathroom fittings. The bad news it that the lifeboat only holds one passenger.

    • SOL

      And in another surprising non sequitur, Anne Archer, rather belligerently, demanded to know whether or not she looked brainwashed.

    • Jgg2012

      David Miscavige said “I have no contacts with Oklahoma”.

      • NOLAGirl

        David Miscavige has never heard of Oklahoma.

        • Jgg2012

          Bill O’Reilly said “I still don’t have a problem with Scientology”;
          Jan Eastgate said “the psychs did it”;
          Vladimir Putin said that Miscavige asked the Russians to come in and help;
          Jenna Elfman said that drug addiction is a state of mind, not a disease;

          • Barbara Angel

            Lou asked mustravage how many moar blow jobs did she have to give, before she could have some caek.

    • Barbara Angel

      Thanks for the chuckle, Very clever and Very Funny. Pretty accurate too. Heeheehee evil cackle

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cietology’s preferred mode of transport is the blunder bus.

  • Truthiwant

    So, trademarks and logos get mixed up occasionally.

    I wanted to up my ‘Platinum Meritorious with Honors’ status recently and mistakenly donated to the wrong organization.

    When you’re dealing in ‘mud’ and ‘covering up’ it’s quite easy to get befuddled…

    • Juicer77

      That’s an unsettling story :)

      • Truthiwant

        Yeah, I know. All I wanted to do was deposit some money.

        • OrangySky

          Rim shot on the Geology puns!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      There are layers of meaning here…

      • Truthiwant

        Definitely, but I would hate for this discussion to precipitate.

        • Graham

          Things can get bogged down so easily.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Quit all this mud-slinging and behave like good little clams, burrow down into it.
            Otherwise, you’ll all be thrown in the Hole.

        • Mooser

          For Gawd’s sake, don’t shake the ground, I think it’s oolithic.

      • LouLouLegs

        Well….I love some good geology humor (since that is what I am). :) Remember, subduction leads to orogeny, which should not be taken for granite. (I slay me…really)
        Tony, great reporting….thanks!

        • Robert Eckert

          I was touched in an orogenous zone: did you feel the earth move, too?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          My own geologist friend tells me the latest schist.

          And assures me nothing is set, in stone.

          • Kitz

            Indeed… And bad schist happens to gneiss people.

      • SOL

        I’ve always felt a sedimental attachment to the IAS.

      • SOL

        (with apologies)

        I never thought my heart could be so burny.
        Why’s my garden full of loam?
        Gotta take a sedimental journey
        Sedimental journey home.

        (OK, I’m done, I promise.)

    • OrangySky

      Hilarious! I’m sure those Sedimentologists will make better use of your $$$.

  • Juicer77

    Interesting how they even tracked the website servers. See points 178, 187, 188 and more (from a cursory reading of the filing). This is an extremely thorough investigation. If there is a jury trial I sure hope they allow video and sound in the courtroom. It will be my new favorite show!

  • SOL

    I guess one of the benefits of going to law school and learning how to write a complaint such as this is that you are able to avoid using vulgar term such as “complete bullshit,” “fucking lie,” and “fucking liar.”

    I have not gone to law school.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m still laughing. Perfect.

      • SOL

        Thanks! I do what I can. I don’t know enough about Scientology to contribute anything substantive to these discussions, so I’m pretty much limited to being a smart ass. They make it sooooooo easy!

  • SS

    In relation to Scientology, it’s looking more and more like Gary Richardson’s firm is to law, what The Underground Bunker is to journalism.

    Give ‘em hell, Gary!

  • nottrue

    DM you failed the test………

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    I am real glad to see that this lawsuit includes the idea of CONSPIRACY.

    Speaking of conspiracy, how about

    Conspiracy to infiltrate the IRS and other US govt agencies?
    Conspiracy to terrorize and intimidate US and foreign citizens? (thinking OSA and fair game, etc.)
    Conspiracy to defraud parishoners with phoney projects?
    Conspiracy to force members to have abortions?

    I am sure lots of their crimes and misdemeanors can be framed in these terms. Unfortunately conspiracies are hard to prove in court….. unless you have documentation and some witnesses willing to tell the truth.

  • SOL

    Paragraph 248: Holy shit. I wonder, though, about the “packed Ruth Eckerd hall” comment. Do people here think that there are enough asses in Scientology to pack a 2,180-seat concert hall? And oh my God — sections ‘e’ and ‘f’! The farce is strong indeed. Of course Narconon taught the real drug counselors how to use the “tech,” and of course the real drug counselors, having seen the light (and the error of their ways), dropped their academic requirements and went whole-hog Hubbard. (Just like NASA really did add a glossary to their website because Tom Cruise told them to. #28 at http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_mis.html#scientol )

    • Tony Ortega

      The speech was in 2002, when Scientology could more easily fill a hall.

      • SOL

        Thanks for the clarification. I thought I detected a faint whiff of Kool-Aid. Glad to find out I was wrong.

  • nottrue

    Its like when sharks smell blood. Its only the beginning DM, Only the beginning

    • Pierrot

      He is getting a taste of his own medicine, I mean vitamins.

  • SOL

    There are 62 occurrences of the word “false” in this complaint.

    • Jgg2012

      And they thought the 20 page complaint against Fresh Start was too long.

      • SOL

        Hey Scientology! Your legal situation is MUCH worse than you think!

  • Sunny Sands

    I wonder if this trademarks lawsuit will make them think twice about their fund raising posters’ abuse of trademarks like Star Wars, MIB, and ET? Who am I kidding.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Puir Wee Davey and all his slaveys in his navy.
    Ye couldnae strike him while he’s down?

    No better timing. You would be nuts not to.
    Red-X his lying lies on CL

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-82#post-2455797
    ty Anon

    • Pierrot

      For those who have already flagged the daily list here is an update of additional new Blues (Very few. 1/2 a dozen only)

      https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-82#post-2455936

      • Hamtaro

        Ok, i’ve signed up in WWP. Now what?

        • Pierrot

          When you see a red 1 by the inbox float you mouse on the inbox then click on the time, give me 5 minutes

          • Hamtaro

            Hey Pierrot there is some dipshit posting as me trying to wiggle his way into your group. Pls either admit me, by myself, or deny us both. Whaterer you do , don’t let this piece of shit OSA motherfucker into your offline group. Thansk!

            • i-Betty

              Grrrrr.

            • Pierrot

              Thks, the conversation is closed we will find another way.

            • Hamtaro

              Ok, I’m back. Just need a basic sign. I’m stupid, but I’m not dumb.

          • Hamtaro

            Need your help, man. Give me a link to find you. I’lll be sure to give you a sign.

          • Hamtaro

            Howdy. Real Hamtaro here. Very interested to get inside your group, but not because I’m an OSA plant. hahaha. This shit is amazingly fucked. Fuck miscavige and fuck scientology. That’s my bearer bond of proof. Fuck them all.

        • 1 Guest Vote

          Now you will need to prove that you have overcome fear… What is it that scares you the most?

          • NOLAGirl

            That’s none of your business. Leave Hamtaro alone.

            • Guest

              I am not the one messing with Hamtaro. I like Hamtaro. I once had a debilitating fear of flying rodents. I fell into a cave of them. My soul was crushed. My butler and I rebuilt the cave as a sort of bad ass super hero / bachelor pad. Flying rodents still scare me, but I use that fear to pick up hot chicks on line. Hamtaro can do the same. Scientology bad.

            • NOLAGirl

              I’m in no mood for your trollish bullshit. Fuck off.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              I will personally insert flying rodents in one of your troll holes.
              They will gnaw at you.
              It will be an improvement on being conscience free.
              Fuck off and die, trolling OSA Ronbot.

            • Guest

              If you had specified a certain troll hole I’d be more afraid… There are certain troll holes I have that are more sensitive than others…I will leave you in peace for now. Don’t be sneaking peaks at my troll holes as I go…

            • Panopea Abrupta

              There is a faint musty smell as if some exotic cheese has met a distressing and tragic death, alone and unmourned.

            • NOLAGirl

              Yeah, logging in to troll-post then logging out to upvote those posts. Very stealth.

            • Hamtaro

              Wow, I had to go do some real life stuff and now I find I missed *all* the fun. :D Thanks for sticking up for me.

        • aegerprimo

          I invited you to the private Arroseur arrose thread so you ask questions and consult with the other RED-Xers leaving the Project Craigslist free of such chatter. https://whyweprotest.net/community/conversations/arroseur-arrose.187416/

    • Graham

      Here’s one specially for Slappy! “Class for keeping your temper”.

      http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cls/4478214278.html

      And another one! Anger Control Seminar!

      http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cls/4473392942.html

      Come on Slappy. You know you’ve got a problem. Swallow your pride, grow a pair and do something about it!

      • Pierrot

        well from the picture above, it would be awkward if this pair had still to grow.

        • Graham

          Ha ha! Hadn’t refreshed so hadn’t seen the picture.

      • aegerprimo

        The first Orange County “Class for keeping your temper” ad has now been flagged for removal!

    • aegerprimo

      The Co$ has the balls to post their scam spam on Craigslist. I have the balls to RED X every single one of them. ☺

    • Barbara Angel

      Nice set of junk there davey, bet tommy likes it too.

  • valshifter

    “Narconon’s unscientific drug treatment program ” the cover is blown!! now if the national news would pick up on it , the whole scam would explode.

  • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

    On Scientology’s NarCONon Facebook pages I have been posting, “We’re on track to eliminating Scientology’s NarCONon by the end of this year.” Looks like I was right. :)

    Also their NarCONon.ORG web site is filled with insane lunacy, it’s 225 megabytes downloaded so far for 6,200 pages and photos, and their insane lies are truly profound. They make all kinds of fraudulent quack medical claims which the FDA needs to punish them for.

    Also watch the insane ringleader proclaim at year’s end about how many people are so interested in their NarCONon “drug rehab” program that their web site traffic doubled. :) As everyone downloads criminal and civil evidence before the insane crooks remove the most damaging parts as the criminal and civil cases mount up.

  • valshifter

    Something funny happened, I told one of my friends that must of the people in big blue are basically in prison, they are not allowed to see familiy members, and are totally disonected from the real world, my friend is a litle off… and without me knowing decided to stop one day and went to knock on one of the back doors, and he asked to use the restroom and he demanded to see one of his friends that was inside (a made up friend), he told me the seurity that opened the door was shocked to see him standing there and told him he could use the restroom if he go thru the fron door, but he would no be allowed to see anybody form inside”, he would not move so the security called for back up , then he left, I think is funny, stupid but funny.

    • Snippy_X

      :D

    • DodoTheLaser

      Their security were probably shocked because they are used to people trying to get out, not to get in.

  • OrangySky

    Apparently, Karla Taylor is a woman who means what she says:

    ““I take this extremely seriously. The integrity of this organization is of the utmost importance. There’s a zero tolerance policy for any mendacious claim of any kind, and I have no intention to let this slide by,” she says.”

    Kudos to Karla for not paying lip service and actually going on the offensive!

    • NOLAGirl

      Karla’s SP Meritorious certificate is ready whenever she wants to pick it up. :)

    • Elar Aitch

      God bless administrators

  • Troy MacGyver SP

    Off Topic,but over the weekend I got a call from a handful of friend’s that have received their very own,”Oxford personality test.” Some have the actual name of the person at the address,while others just state,”Occupant.” They came up with numerous things to put in the envelope to send them back to them but you can tell are coded,so they would know where they came from. Many asked,”How could,Oxford be involved in this.?” Even they can’t seem to believe that a mind cripplin’ cult would stoop that low,as to sully the the name of ,Oxford University.

    • Troy MacGyver SP
    • Missionary Kid

      Note that it didn’t say “Oxford University.”

      If they were prepaid envelopes, they should have loaded them up with all sorts of heavy stuff, and obliterated the code.

      • Troy MacGyver SP
      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Hard to stick a bowel movement in this small envelope.

        • NOLAGirl

          I have two small dogs who would be happy to donate to this endeavor. :)

          • Juicer77

            I see your dogs and raise you one German Shepherd that craps like an elephant.

            • NOLAGirl

              I fold. lol

        • Missionary Kid

          The idea is that they have to pay for the postage on something like a brick when it’s returned to them.

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            That is a question I had. It does say that it is a,”non-profit.” Do they have to pay the hole amount or are they free for,non-profit’s?

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s never free, but they get a reduced rate. Someone who knows postal rates better than I can answer how much. There is a specific list of rules for them, Postal publication 417. Ask your friends if the following rules were followed, because if they weren’t, a postal inspector should be contacted:

              4-3.2.1 Organization Name

              All matter mailed at the nonprofit rates must identify the authorized organization. The authorized organization’s name and return address must appear in at least one of two places:

              • On the outside of the mailpiece – e.g., in the return address.

              • In a prominent place on the material mailed – e.g., on the letterhead or elsewhere on the material inside the mailing envelope or wrapper.

              Note: If a return address is included on the mailpiece, it must be a complete return address of the authorized nonprofit organization. (See CSR PS-140.)

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              It did say the return address to $cion headquarters,but no place else.

            • Missionary Kid

              That probably met the requirement. I wonder how your friends got on the mailing list. Was it a mailer sent out to an area or profession or some other criteria? You don’t have to reveal exact information.

            • Barbara Angel

              Unfortunately that won’t help, the main *scam* they use is that co$ is a “not for profit” organisation, so they use that to further their scams. Just guessing that this may be why some of the C/L ads seem to linger on………….

            • Missionary Kid

              Barbara, the post is about snail mail rates in the U.S.that are set with guidance from Congress. It has nothing to do with Craig’s List, which is online.

            • Barbara Angel

              The point was the “Not For Profit” lies being used for conning people into being more lenient with them. Not sure why you felt the need to point out the difference between a *Physically posted letter* and *C/L being o.n.l.i.n.e…….*

            • Missionary Kid

              Snail mail is the province of a government agency, the U.S. Mail, while Craig’s List has nothing to do with it.

              I was commenting on the snail mail letters that Troy’s friends received. If they mailed the letters out and violated the conditions that non-profit organizations must follow to be entitled to lower rates, they can get those privileges revoked or be subjected to fines. I was hoping that Co$ had violated those rules when they mailed out the appeals to have people come in and take the “Oxford” tests. It would be nice to get their asses nailed for trying to defraud the U.S. Mail. It appears on the face of it that they followed the minimum rules.

              I was not writing about CL at all, and I don’t know how their status as a non-profit applies to complaints. It could be that since you’re not in the U.S. that for some ads CL weighs your red X more lightly, but that’s just sheer conjecture.

              Thanks for all of your work.

            • Missionary Kid

              I wouldn’t know. It could have to do with some sort of algorithm that CL uses.

        • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

          ROFL!!! I tweeted that. :)

          • NOLAGirl

            Your Twitter acct is hilarious Dam. Love it!!

    • aegerprimo

      My last one I loaded the envelope up with Chris Shelton’s 5700+ words on what is wrong with Scientology article. The PDF file prints out 12 one sided pages. Don’t send them a brick of shit, send them a shitload of “entheta” – seeds of doubt!

      http://mncriticalthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DestructionInItsDNA.pdf

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Saw your large envelope. I’m jealous..

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Hey OSA (Odious Sycophantic Assholes),
    Better start preparing your CVs
    Cos CO$ is coming to an end.
    What are your crimes?
    Cosa Nostra might need your services?
    Or the Columbian Cartels?

    Everybody else, just BLOW 1-866-X-SeaOrg
    Let the pitiful purulent Polish pissmire in his putrid puddle.
    And Red-X while you’re waiting, it’s FUN (wordclear that):

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-82#post-2455797

    ty Bobby Fischer and AP

  • nottrue

    David Miscavige please take the stand. Would you like a book to sit on……….

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Naw,I’d rather sit on,Tom’s wap”

    • NOLAGirl

      I want to see Ray Jeffrey question Mini-Bitch sooooo bad!

  • aegerprimo

    NarCONon (the Co$) being sued for copyright infringement. David Slapabitch named as a defendent in the case because he publicly gave bogus information about Narconon’s certification at a Scientology event.

    Karma is a bitch.
    …….

  • Sejanus

    My new three favourite words in the English language are now…

    Jury Trial Demanded.

    and to think they used to be… test is negative.

    • Jgg2012

      I also like that “attorney lien requested”

  • Baby

    Hi everyone.. Just wanted to share my experiences of Flag Down With You.. I’ll just do a little at a time..

    *** Michael Leonard Tilse. ***

    I fell in love with Michael the minute I saw him. Bury and I just couldn’t figure out his age. He has such a boyish charm about him. He doesn’t have any wrinkles…but he has the wisdom that comes with age. He is a very sharp dresser. I had seen him daily and everything he put together was stylish with a flare for looking between hip and conventional coolness without appearing flashy.

    It just comes natural to him without trying.

    The sound sucked so bad on the video. I read where WWP was saying that he was a boring speaker. That could NOT have been further from the truth.

    He was riveting. He took us through his journey with his soft gentle voice that held your attention. He was full of expression. When he told his story of depression after giving $200,000 and all those f*ckin years to Scn. and how he hit rock bottom you could feel his tangible pain.

    He gave himself 6 months to live .. if things didn’t drastically change. He had hit rock bottom.

    He apologized to those he had hurt and it was so sincere that we all had tears in our eyes as Tom Padgett graciously thanked him for the apology.

    He is a humble man with grace and integrity. He is not the man with the lampshade on his head at a party, but one you could spend hours with talking in the corner… He is the best listener. His eyes are on you as you talk..

    Like you are the most important person in the room.

    and you can see his soul in his eyes. He laughs easily. He is a gentleman. People are just naturally drawn to his ease and his smile. He is respected and a nice man.

    It is a true testament to this gentleman that Nice Men Do NOT finish last. He attempts daily to ” Be the best he Can be Without Joining the Army.. ”

    It was my honor to be in the presence of Michael Leonard Tilse. and I do consider him a friend.

    • aegerprimo

      BABY! (throwing kisses! )

      • Baby

        xo

    • Ruby

      Thank you for that!

      • Baby

        xo I have more.. ha.. I’ll start earlier next time Ruby

    • Missionary Kid

      I was lucky to meet him in real life. I’m glad that came across. He has my respect, and I admire his humility. He really added to my knowledge of $cientology, and he’s a calm, clear voice.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I will add..

        “He’s a calm, clear and LUCID voice.”

      • Baby

        Yes he did Kid.. Neat guy, huh.. Fabulous speaker..

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Baby, you said this so well. I love that your crazy ass can be so beautiful when you write things down. I wish I could emulate this talent you have to express this kind of thing.
      MLT was everything you said.

      • Baby

        Well, Miss Bury thank you so much.. All of us were just so taken with him. Just a special man, huh? ( Oh and by the way so are you roommate.. ) What an awesome time we had.. Wow.. and with Rev.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Damn,really wanted to meet you,Sweety! Had to cancel my trip and take care of my sick puppy.

      • Baby

        Awwwwwwwwwwww Troy I’m sorry about your baby puppy.. How is she/he.. eeeeeeeeeep

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          She passed away on,Tuesday. At two years old it was the toughest thing..Anyway,missed you all at,Flagdown and hopefully we’ll meet again someday.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Oh, so sorry to hear this. ;-(

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Thanks,i appreciate that.

          • Baby

            Tragic, Tragic ..Tragic.. I am so sorry honey.. Yes we will meet .. I am so sad for you. I know that you have a hole in your heart..I love my babies and when my Yorkie died I couldn’t breathe..

            I am just so sorry Troy.. ;’ /

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Thanks so muck,everbody`

            • Baby

              Thanks so MUCK , huh? tee hee…xoxo

          • NOLAGirl

            So sorry to hear of your loss Troy. My doggies are like family, I know when it’s their time it will be hard on our whole family. Hope you’re doing OK. Sending lots of (((hugs))) your way.

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            why of why did you have to take my puppy / this life can be so cruel / fuck that midget and his evil army / i am no one’s midget nor their mule / lrh can lick my balls / his tech is the stuff that nightmares are made of / yet the felling for my dearly departed pup will always be love / take that you sea org bastards / i hate you for all that you have done / you, lrh, not now nor ever my master / i will blow and bring all to light / fuck you and everything you stand for / this is a battle i will never refuse to fight / miscavige my little master / you think you are so big / but nothing but a bastard / once again fuck you and all you stand for / i raise my fist and curse you / i will strike you down to the floor / how dare you disrupt so many families / breaking mother, father from daughter and son / my vengeance will never be done / feel my venom as i strike / try to cower and hide you little pussy / your little kingdom, your fiefdom, your reich, i relentlessly strike / to the end you will feel my fight / never, but never shall i stand by in apathy / through my fists and words i cut through your fallacy / feel my venom and know i am true / for all of your victims, i strike through / try and try again to silence my anger / i laugh at your attempt / your anger, your lies, i will take no longer / and for all of those stuck in this trap / know that i am here for you / through me there shall no longer be a slap / screw miscavige and lrh, too / both madmen and vultures / get out please with this i am pleading to you / i want sanity on this planet / and no more con games / why give your money, your faith, your lives to these maggots / please blow for good / and run as fast as you can / stand with your friend and your families, this you should.

            • Robert Eckert

              JeffLifter, you are still banned from here.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              who the heck is jeff lifter, old man pervert eckert? that is not my real name. and, could you, for the sake of all that is real and sacred, put a shirt on?

            • Robert Eckert

              On another board you cut-and-pasted one of your “Jeff Lifter” posts, except you negligently used the deathtoallpoliticians ID. You are banned from this board. Now go away.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              i have not been banned, you old man pervert. get bent you idiot. and put a shirt on you perverted sexual miscreant. i do not obey orders from an old man who feels the need to be half naked on his screen icon. so, you can bite me. on second thought, i would rather not be near a pervert and someone who belongs on a sex offender registry. go f yourself.

            • Frodis73

              Hmm…you seem to be a little too obsessed with male nudity. Stay away from the beach my friend.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              nope. i just think that it is inappropriate for any self-identifying photo to include a half-naked old man. how in the world could you possible disagree? and where i the world did this jeff lifter crap come from? that is not my real name. so, where did this accusation come from? and who in the heck is jeff lifter? and why are you all so against him? i guess i must do a google search to attempt to try to find some information since the rest of you have no problem flinging accusations without any background information.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              It doesn’t need food.
              It needs death.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              really, pa? what have i ever done to you to deserve your vitriol? old man eckert can bite me for all i am concerned but you? what in the heck have i ever done to you?

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              i do not know you, frodis73. therefore, i will not cast any insults towards you. but why side with a half-naked old man who has no knowledge of what he alleges?

            • Frodis73

              No sides. Just pointing out that your obsession with male nudity *is* very odd. Kinda, “doth protest too much” thing.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              ok. at least you are willing to explain you r comment. for that, i thank you. i just don’t like looking at half naked old men surrounded in snow and ice. that is my explanation. but, once again, thank you for explaining your stance without insulting me.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              OMG!!!

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              omg, indeed.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              What do you wear at a beach or near a lake? Have you ever seen a man without their shirt on any shore of a large body of water? Do you cry pervert!!! when you see that? Get fucking lost dude.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              so you like looking at half naked old men, j3? your comments have been level-headed and and calm to this point. yet, now, you choose to side with a half-naked old man? what in the world did i ever do to you?

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Same thing you are doing to all. Please, desist or take your narcissistic wounds and your pathetic, blathering little manic episode else where.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              i will do what i please until mr. ortega bans me. it just blows my mind that all of the legal analysis, all of the legal work i have done, is simply disregarded in favor of old man pervert eckert. so be it. i do not wish to continue fighting with you.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              All of your work is not disregarded. Drop the “all or nothing” accusations, which are inaccurate, and your life will be better for it.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              fair enough. more sage advice i will take to heart, shtcbviii. have a very good night.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You didn’t do anything to me, and I don’t “choose sides”, but I take offense to you calling Robert an idiot or a pervert or whatever else because of his avatar photo. It seems to me that you’re the one obsessing with half-naked men. Honestly, I read hundreds of Robert’s posts before I even took a closer look at his avatar. When I did, I thought ‘oh, nice lake.’ So he’s shirtless. Big fucking deal. I don’t know of anyone else mentioning and certainly not focusing hard on that other than trolls. So what’s your obsession with it?

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              thank you for explaining your objection to me without insulting me. i appreciate that. i just feel that it is inappropriate for anyone, be it a man or woman, regardless of age, to be standing around half naked surrounded by snow and ice. that is all. whether i am right or wrong i leave that to the other posters to decide. but i thank you once again for explaining your position without insulting me.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Maybe he choose that photo taken amidst snow and ice because his nips are frosty and hard and he set it as his avatar in order to enrage potential trolls. I really don’t give a shit. It is weird that you focus on his photo and not on what he he has to say, as the rest of us do.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              fair enough. i see what you are saying. however, what old man pervert eckert is saying is wrong and false. take a look back at the history of the conversations between pervert eckert and myself. he has been on my back ever since i have been posting. i have provided a ton of legal insight…done my best to explain the co$ legal positions and their respective weaknesses. it is not like i am a new poster just taking pot shots at eckert. and, further, j3, we have engaged in several conversations before. and, now, i am the bad guy?

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              You’re not a bad guy, you just have ridiculously thin skin. You need to toughen up a bit.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              fair enough, shtcbviii, and thank you. i will take that advice to heart.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Very good.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You’re not a new poster, but you are taking pot shots at Robert. If you feel that he’s wronged you in some way, speak to that. But you chose to attack his avatar photo rather than address what he has said to make you so upset.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              fair enough, j3. and thank you. i will take that advice to heart.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Oops.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I had you pegged for a snow pervert all along, top hat guy. Get that filth outta here. I bet you watch Game of Thrones and get excited every time you are reminded that WINTER IS COMING

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              i am sorry, j3, but i am a huge game of thrones fan and your comment had me chortling in laughter for a good 5 minutes. very, very clever…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Except I posted it less than a minute ago.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              ok, you got me. i exaggerated on the timing of my laughter…would it help if i said i am still chortling right now? lol

            • Frodis73

              Snickersnort. I really like this & I don’t even watch got (no cable) but I did get the joke. Very funny.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              But I am just kidding top hat guy. Top hat guy is the best guy. He’s no snow pervert.

            • Frodis73

              After our winter from hell, the idea of a snow pervert is so funny to me. My fav line from somebody’s blog bitching about winter said something like this: “fuck this snow, cold & ice. Fuck me winter. Fuck me sideways with an icicle. I surrender to you”.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              lol..from a former new englander, totally lol…

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Guilty as charged (although, I must admit that I do not watch GoT).

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              you really should. even though i am not a fan of medieval shows and movies such as the lord of rings, game of thrones, with the excellent acting and writing, had me hooked right from season 1 episode 1…

            • Frodis73

              Wait a minute…you think Robert’s avi is perverted & offensive, yet love got? From what I have been told, from a friend who is a huge fan, it can get pretty raunchy.

              After reading everything you have written I am perplexed that you somehow equate nudity with perversion…esp male nudity. Frankly, it comes across as thinly veiled homophobia. Which, I think, is part of the reason (other than flat out insulting Robert) you are pissing ppl off. I’m not trying to insult you-just trying to understand. Color me very confused.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              please understand that i am not trying to insult you, frodis73. my question to you is have you ever seen game of thrones? before i watched it, my impression was that i got from south park, i.e. wiener wiener wiener, everywhere a wiener. but, after watching the show through season 4 episode 7, this is just not true and parker and stone had it totally wrong. the show is not perverted at all. the nudity is mostly female and done in well context. i cannot, for the life of me, say the same for old man pervert eckert’s nudity. please watch the show and tell me your honest opinion. it is nothing like i expected. and, please, do not take offense to what i have written. while i have no problem insulting eckert, i do not want to insult you at all. and i apologize to you profusely if you have taken my words as such. but please check the show out and then get back to me. you will not be disappointed. have a very good night and i look forward to hearing from you in the future.

            • Frodis73

              I do not have cable & I have been wanting to watch forever. It’s up next from Netflix, so I will get back to you. Since I do not have cable I don’t know what parker & stone said about it either. Like I said, a friend has told me about it. He is a huge fan of both the books & the series. Note that I didn’t say it was perverted, I said it was raunchy. This is just what I have gathered from him & things I’ve read. To clarify, maybe I should have used explicit. Sex scenes don’t bother me in the least…male/female, female/female, male/male. It’s all good & I don’t care what consenting adults do on tv or in real life.

              Definitely not insulted by your reply. You really didn’t clarify the nudity equals perversion thing in relation to Robert’s avi yet. Again, I really think it’s coming across homophobic. G’night to you too & thanks trying to answer seriously & not insulting me too!

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              one last comment, my (hopefully) friend: download utorrent then go to thepiratebay.se and get the game of thrones torrents downloads for free. i have not had cable for four plus years yet have had all of the shows and blue ray movies that i have ever wanted for free. if you need further help on this, i am here for you. just let me know. i will have to delete this comment in an hour or so so please reply back with a simple comment so i know you have it. otherwise, i would hate to have mr. ortega catch shiate for this. have a very good night.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              So now follow your own advice. In the future, explain your position without hurling repeated, illogical insults. Either that, or simply remain silent. Have a lovely evening.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              thank you. you, too, shtcbviii. and, please, check out game of thrones. i promise you that you will not be disappointed.

            • Bavarian Rage

              Go back to your HS prom, drama queen.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              i do not know you, br, nor have i ever read your comments. therefore, i will not respond to you with insults. do you not feel it is inappropriate to have a screen icon with a half naked old person surrounded with snow and ice?

            • Baby

              Gee.. It is so relevant to be talking about an Avatar instead of how we all feel about Scientology..

              This is my last comment to you.

              We are Bunker Strong. Attack one of us..You attack ALL of us.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              but i am one of you, too. baby, have we not had a long and continuous conversation between the both of us for some time now? and now you simply cast me off and insult me? why? over eckert?

            • Baby

              Welcome to the Bunker Bavarian.. You will fit right in.. It gets crazy here as you can see!

              Hahhaha I enlarged your avi… PERFECT!

            • Bavarian Rage

              A humble honor, coming from you, “Glibby”. (Still ticked that someone made you change one of my favorite screen names.) I stumbled upon the Village Voice near the end of Tony’s run, and the Bunker became my regular nightly addiction sometime after that. But as a never-in, I don’t have much to contribute other than up votes – when the insane combo of Discus & my iPad let me – and the occasional attempt at wit or sarcasm when opportunity presents.

            • Baby

              Hahhah I know I loved Glibby ( GlibWog) too, but ya know she was called Glibby first and unlike Scn. I play fair!

              Oh my being a Never In never stopped me from Yapping..ha So yap away Bav.. Yap away.. Addiction.. YEP!

            • Panopea Abrupta

              I guess we’re all done here then.
              It showed up as guest earlier,methinks, probably been using a sock too for a while.
              Should wash ‘em though- there’s a vile smell.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              by the way, the image that old man eckert shows is a half naked man surrounded by snow and ice. it is not a beach photo. where in the world did you derive your photographic information from?

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              further, i am not scared to tell you that my real name is not jeff lifter. you are a fool to even proclaim such a thing. once again, go f yourself.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              if mr. ortega feels the need to ban me than so be it. but you are nothing, you idiot pervert. i take no orders from a half naked old man pervert.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              He is something and he is very important to this board. And please tell me, how does a shirtless photo, where he facing away from the camera equate to him being a pervert? That is the same ridiculous accusation that the troll Lifter made repeatedly. If you are not the same guy, you certainly sound an awful lot like him, and this isn’t isn’t the first time that you’ve gone after posters here for ridiculous reasons. Derek, Baby… No one here needs Tony Ortega’s approval to tell you that you should fuck off. We just can’t enforce it, but I think you should fuck off.

            • Baby

              Yes… absolutely without question this is Jeff Lifter.. Thanks Jimmy..

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              oh j3. we have been so cool towards each other many times in the past. and now you choose to flame me? over old man, pervert eckert? really? is this the final line for you? i am speechless…

            • Robert Eckert

              Mr. Ortega already banned you.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              no, he did not. you should get your facts straight before casting false accusations you half naked pervert. i am not jeff lister. and, since mr. ortega has access to my email, he knows this. so, get a life you old pervert and put a shirt on, too.

            • Baby

              Yep..I sure remember Robert..

            • Qbird

              crap. copy that.

            • Baby

              Don’t call my friend names.

            • Baby

              Go Away…Shoo ( Refresh)

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              come on , baby. we have been cool with each other for as long as i can think of. and, now, you side with a half-naked old man? what in the heck have i ever done to you to deserve your vitriol?

            • Baby

              I stood up[ for you when others didn’t.. You revealed your true colors tonight..

              I am team Robert Eckert.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              so be it. i cannot argue with the side you have chosen. it just makes no sense to me.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Your old-shirtless-man fixation and over-the-top attack offends a great many of us. It is out of bounds. If you are unable to understand and appreciate that, you have problems with accurate self awareness and insight, which is quite apparent to the fair minded readers of this blog. Why don’t you take a walk and/or your meds and join us later when you are sober.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              really, shtcbviii? if i posted a half naked picture of myself surrounded by snow and ice, you would feel that that is appropriate? and, beyond that, would you feel it appropriate to cast accusations and insults without the slightest scintilla of proof? old man pervert eckert and i have been at loggerheads for as long as i have been posting here. nothing will change that, i suppose. but, please, let me know your opinion.

            • Qbird

              Are you positive Bob?

            • Qbird

              hard angry words here, death. cutting slicing slam poetry.
              Your experience within Scn.Inc. seems to have hurt you personally real bad – too many hard hits you’ve taken. You’re hitting back now.
              Life is cruel, that’s a sure fact. sometimes it just flat out sucks. true.
              I’m sorry.

              And oh hell yeah – Fuck everything to do with the COS and all shitty-ass organizations that use and and abuse and then throw away their own people. Damn straight.

              Do you think this lawsuit, that Tony just posted only 24 hours ago, is significant?

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              yes, i do feel it is appropriate and significant. thank you for responding to me without insulting me. i really appreciate that.

            • Qbird

              I know your real name is not jefflifter, mine’s not qbird neither.
              Are you a part of this new news which has come to light?
              And, are you now safe?
              What is your next move in this fight?

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              really, nothing, qbird. but old man pervert eckert and i have been at each others’ throats for a long time now. but it feels really f’ing crazy to see that everything i have done and posted for this site is for naught. regardless, whatever. i can only do and respond as i feel i can. i seek no solace or special feelings. this is just all crazy to me. it is not like i am a brand new poster to this site. take a look back at all i have done. but, whatever, i am a grown man and will survive regardless. if mr. ortega feels the need to ban me then so be it. however, i take no orders or insults from old man pervert eckert.

            • Qbird

              I believe we get what we give.
              I can tell you death, that the one who posts as Jefflifter1968/Cigar is pert near impossible to talk to in any meaningful way. I’ve seen a good many examples of his ‘work’ – he attacks always in a most personal way… akin to what you are doing now to Robert.
              It seems to me, what you really wanted to say (needed to say?) – you have.
              In your first post above, I heard your monumental anger… at Scientology.
              Pick and choose your fights carefully.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              fair enough, qbird, and thank you for the advice. as i have stated with others, i will take said advice to heart. thank you once again.

          • Robert Eckert

            That’s terrible. I’m very sorry to hear.

          • Ruby

            :( so sorry

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Troy I am sorry about your puppy, that is too young to go.

          • Frodis73

            Hugs to you for your precious girl.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Thanks, it sill hurts so bad.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Sorry for your loss Troy. Yes there will be future Flag Downs and great meetings.

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        please excuse my sorry edit of my post. unfortunately, i was unable to get between insert/delete and that is why what i wrote seems so discombulated. i apologize again.

    • Missionary Kid

      Michael has promised to post some of his experiences as the target of the fair game policy. He said that he learned new things at flag down, and that while he’s posted them here before, he’s going to write them up all in one place, as well as the new information. I feel like I can’t wait, but I will.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Well thank you Baby. Wow. Ok, I think my head is in danger of swelling so I have to keep away from Kitz and her straight pin.

      I very much enjoyed everyone at Flag Down, all the speakers and all the attendees. Even the scientologists, who got a very good chance to have their basic assumptions challenged.

      I am so glad that my speech was meaningful to you. I think that in clarifying for myself, perhaps I also clarify for others.

      BTW: 61 in June.

      • Baby

        61 Wow.. You need a new avi Mr. I couldn’t believe how young you look in person..

        It was my pleasure to write how I and all of us felt Michael. . I don’t think you realize what a very special person you are. You could hear a pin drop as you were speaking..

        I really enjoy Flag Down too .. Really, Really nice people with their own stories to tell. xoxo

        • Kitz

          You aren’t the only one to comment about his age…. Both my girls called “SHENANIGANS” when they first met him…. and the Monster still says it, lol!

          • Baby

            Just a baby face huh? ha forgot I was Baby.. xo

      • NOLAGirl

        You’re an incredibly kind person Michael. You helped me retrieve things after 26 and you don’t even know me. You did wonderful at FD. Thank you for sharing with all of us, and for being kind when you were going through a difficult time.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Thanks. I try to do the right thing even if I don’t always succeed. You are welcome.

          I’m just sorry it didn’t turn out better for 26 and the others she took advantage of. The lady needs some help. And probably won’t get it.

          • NOLAGirl

            I say, we did what we thought was right and it didn’t work out as planned. Lesson learned. Moving on. We have more important things to do. :)

          • Baby

            BUT YOU SHOWED UP! You are a man of honor my friend..

        • richelieu jr

          Sorry folks, but ’26′..?

          Is she like Agent 99?

      • Kitz

        *sharpens straight pins and eyes Michael*

        Umm…. Nothing to see here, move along…. ;-)

    • TheCat’sKnees

      Baby, you are so very awesome, and this was so well said!

      • Baby

        OMG CATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT…. Yep, you were there.. so you know, huh? I miss you already. You are just a fascinating woman. So glad I got to meet you and share stories, food and drink.. xo ( Hard Cider ..) Yum!

        • TheCat’sKnees

          It was so good to meet you too! It’s hard to believe that it might be a year until we get together again!

    • Aslansown

      Baby! Missed you.

      • Baby

        Oh my sweet PieLion.. I missed you too..

      • Sir_Real

        Baby, Oh Baby, You Rock! Your fans are legion!

        • Baby

          Hahahaha Oh Sir.. I laughed so hard at your comment… Fans? Send $ ( xoxox) hahahha

          I just love you guys in the Bunker!

          • Sir_Real

            Anytime I can make someone laugh, I have done my job. And you are certainly NO exception. You are a very loved presence on this forum. And “there’s no place like the Bunker”!!

            • Baby

              Jeeze I am blushing Sir..

              and I never blush… I needed that.. I just did..Thank you.. Seriously…

    • Frodis73

      Thanks for the review Baby & I look forward to the rest of our stories.

      • Baby

        Maybe I’ll do Gier’s next..errrrrrrrrrrrgh.. My blood just boils doggy.. STILL!

    • richelieu jr

      Thanks for this eyewitness account. I would love to have seen this.

      And this sort of apology folks, is all I have been asking from Rinder and Marty: Heartfelt, complete and public.

      (and you can believe those two have loads more to apologize for than Tilse)

      • Baby

        You are welcome Rich..

        And I will tell you… Everyone who I had talked to after the speech said the same thing.. at the hall and the Bar!

  • Jgg2012

    I just remembered something that came up in the Koppel interview: Oklahoma had shut down Narconon before, in the early 90s, during which time they obviously lost all certifications, so this recent violation is not a first. They have done this repeatedly.

    • RMycroft

      Narconon Chilocco was supposed to be shut down a few times, but they always had another court case, appeal or gimick on the go. Eventually they managed to win one in the Oklahoma supreme court. Also, the agencies fighting them finally added up their legal bills, subtracted it from their budgets and rolled over. First the CARF certification was meaningless, and a couple months later, it was “Okay, fine.”

      http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Narconon_Chilocco

  • KNMF

    Scott Burgess, David Miscavige. LOL

    Seems like a long list of defendants needing to be persuaded to not rat out Slappy.

  • Sejanus

    We the jury find the defendants an insult to the human race and demand their immediate expulsion from the planet.

    • Missionary Kid

      *Chortle*

    • richelieu jr

      Leave Teegeeack and never come creeping back!

  • nottrue

    Oh Mary Mary Mary. I know your a Homo Novis and Wog laws dont apply to you. But your going down WITCH

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Are you talking about Rieser? (Like LIEser?)

      HurHur……….(props to i-betty for stealing her schtick ;-)

      • Observer

        I bear the demerit like Hester Prynne’s scarlet A … :-(

    • Jgg2012

      This counts as “things that should not be.”

    • Suppressive Meritorius

      Mary Reaper.

    • Qbird

      for you nottrue. (I found this photo again)

      • nottrue

        Thats the one…….thanks

  • aegerprimo

    I love David Love…

    Scientology Miscavige Narconon new Lawsuits in Canada and USA
    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=11907

  • Captain Howdy

    Believe it or not yes i do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYNYb30nxU

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      • Qbird

        laughing here now oh shit!

    • Sandy

      nah. Ain’t gonna listen to the shit, cuz it’s dumb. Sorry. It just is.

      • Captain Howdy

        No Sandy No! It’s cool cos it’s a parody but it still ROCKS

        • Sandy

          Sorry, Cappy. A few beers past a 6-pack tonight for me. Should not be commenting.

          • Sandy

            When will I learn …?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Don’t let any Israeli thugs bully you, Sandy. Drink your beers and comment all you want.

            • Captain Howdy

              FUCKIN” A

            • Qbird

              i’m listening now & diggin’ it Capt. – dunno why – just am… ha!
              Good evening all – just got home from work, fed the cats & the fox & now fixin’ to get caught up.

            • Captain Howdy

              We’re all going you no where.
              http://youtu.be/l482T0yNkeo

            • Qbird

              Angus!!! can’t take my eyes off that boy! ;]

              We’re on a highway to hell… tell me, is this the consensus of teh bunker this day?

              Ha! Okay I’m awake. tks………… I’ll play it one more time as I click away.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              To me that makes good, good sense. Good sense.. yeahletsgo
              http://youtu.be/X_IWlPHMziU

            • Qbird

              A TWO-FER! gotta dance JimX3!

          • Captain Howdy

            Comment when you feel like it Sandy irregardless of what douchebags like me say.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              fuck that, ch. a douchebag you are not. your opinions and insight are invaluable to some of us on this site. as for me, i treasure your musical insight. please keep it up!

          • Qbird

            hic-up Hi ! TODAY Sandy the lakes finally opened up, up here – FINALLY – Spring!

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            but i am a few patron tequila shots and mike’s harder lemonade’s past the point where i should be replying but that is exactly what makes this song rock so very f’ing hard! thank you so much, ch! i have bookmarked this on my youtube account for future viewing! you just made my night! :)

        • Sandy

          You are one of the reasons it feels so safe to post on this site.

  • media_lush

    if someone could post the text or a couple of screengrabs from this National Enquirer story that would be great…. have no idea what it’s about but must admit that “TOM CRUISE “PRINCE OF DARKNESS”?” did catch my attention

    https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/tom-cruise-prince-darkness&ct=ga&cd=CAEYASoUMTE5MjcyNTEwMzc3MDQ2MDExNzkyHGUxODFhZmMyOTJjYTU2NDU6Y28udWs6ZW46R0I&usg=AFQjCNHP5j0_lkCJviu2pMOHIW7IW-yX-A

    • Observer

      Here you go

      • media_lush

        ha ha, thanks…. kudos to the sub ed for “ex GF Xenu hating dad”, lulz

        • jeff

          Except that it’s backwards….The Scilons hate Xenu, the rest of us love him.

      • aegerprimo

        Oh snap… I did not refresh before seeing your screenshot Obs.
        I need to got to bed.

        • Observer

          Better twice than not at all!

    • aegerprimo

      Here it is….

      • media_lush

        thanks

      • Sir_Real

        “Prince”?? I think “Aging, Scary Old Queen Lurking in Sketchy Dark Places of Ill Repute” is more accurate.

      • Graham

        That’s one seriously weird cod-piece.

        • aegerprimo

          I definitely looked at the pole.

          • richelieu jr

            Slut.

    • Sejanus

      Ahhhh but when I think of Tom Cruise..this is how I love to remember him…….

      Thats some good looking genetics there boyo….lol
      A 32 dollar smile…every tooth a buck.

      • media_lush

        …. this is one that doesn’t seem to appear in google images…. (probably the one that started all those rumours, ed)

        • Sejanus

          Looks like he be Tom Cruisin’ for somethin’.

          I guess $cientology gives you power over your unibrow too…lol

          Oh and ML..I seriously dig the avatar…its killer..lol

      • Barbara Angel

        Picture on our left makes him look like tommy boy’s Evil Twin.
        Same nasty, cranky, lip curled sneer.

      • Sir_Real

        Hell the one on the left is less scary than his counterpart on the right.

      • richelieu jr

        I actually prefer the snaggle-toothed goon to the guy sporting that creepy, can’t-be-unseen tooth DEAD IN THE CENTRE OF HIS FACE.

    • Frodis73

      Another example of the media sucking. This story makes it sound like her dad forced the break up somehow. He’s been declared and she wouldn’t care what her dad thought about who she was dating. They haven’t spoken in years if I remember right.
      Oh wait, it’s the national enquirer…lol.

    • Tony Ortega

      Oh ye of short memories. The quotes come from an Underground Bunker-Women’s Day team story that we did last summer…

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/07/alanna-mastersons-dad-calls-connor-cruise-worst-person-in-the-world-for-her-to-date/

      • DodoTheLaser

        Time for a new post, Tony. It’s morning already. :)

  • Aslansown

    Has anyone tweeted Kirstie yet?

    • aegerprimo

      Because she is still fluffy?

      • Aslansown

        Haha! No, b/c she is constantly shilling for Narconon. We need Miss Tia who surprisingly hasn’t been blocked yet!

    • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

      Yes, and my Twitter account was suspended within 5 minutes. Seems the insane loon did not like reading about another lawsuit against her fellow criminals.

      • Missionary Kid

        She’s only trying to keep her self-deception alive.

      • Frodis73

        LOL! Too damn funny.
        ETA-Wait! I don’t Tweet–did they kick you off the site totally or just from following Krusty?

      • RBE

        I have the feeling OSA co-manage her twitter account as I was blocked from her account even though I had never tweeted her and just was friends with SPs.

      • TheCat’sKnees

        That’s awful! Please do appeal it, that’s just stupid!

        • http://www.crackpots.us/ DamOTclese2

          Twitter gave a checkbox I can click on, so The Account Has Been Reinstated which is common. Funny how Scientology customers can’t stand to hear the truth about the real Scientology.

          • TheCat’sKnees

            Haha! I bet you it was a trademark or impersonation claim. But great that it was only temporary!

      • Aslansown

        She must have finally gotten tired of people tweeting negative things about the cult. Miss Tia used to be able to tweet a lot of things to her without getting blocked. Thanks for trying.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Go get ‘em – it’s the CL Purif Rundown..
    We have a 76% success rate at getting ads off CL.
    Unfortunately, those ads may suffer from Niacin overdose.
    But, hey, they’re off CL.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-82#post-2455797
    ty AP

    • aegerprimo

      We are striving for 100%.

    • Aslansown

      Isn’t that the Narconon success rate? (Per Narconon!)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Valley Chronicle:
    Hemet : San Jacinto
    Local News 05/19/2014
    In an attempt to emulate his mentor, a young man called David (name not changed to protect the innocent) in this community applied to join the Boy Scouts of America. The BSA provides a program for young people that builds character, trains them in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and
    develops personal fitness. He already had a fondness for uniforms and three-letter acronyms.
    As a Scout, he could learn how to camp and hike without leaving a trace in the San Jacinto Mountains (a skill that could prove spectacularily useful.) He would learn how to make a smokeless fire and study wildlife up close enough to catch them and learn about nature all around him. There are so many useful skills for him to
    master, he who had not realized that he was bereft of skills but sensed something was missing (it was, in fact, a conscience and a heart.)
    His application was refused and returned to him and he was asked to apply again next year.
    He unfortunately did not satisfy the height requirements.

    • Baby

      Hahahhaha OMG Pan…You are funny..

  • media_lush
    • Frodis73

      I love that you posted pics of some of the ppl named in the suit. Great one today.

    • Sir_Real

      “Deposed”, “Blackface”, “Regretting”, “Lawsuits”, etc. Seems headlines, unpretty ones, are increasing Old Hat for the Cult and their host of bad players *tee-hee*.

    • Toni m

      Good. I’m sure you will find tc’s video too. But you did good.

    • Sir_Real

      Oh and Knavey Davey wants to show Tommy Culty “how cool his junk is”? Well, we know what sort of junk they are already mutually familiar with, don’t we Bunker mavens?

      • Missionary Kid

        Knavey Davey and Tommy Culty will be posted on the lists that have their nicknames by tomorrow.

    • aegerprimo

      I missed Anonymous’s comment at the Bunker about Elron’s phoney PhD. Your screenshot puts his comment out there for more to see.

  • media_lush

    lovely little cartoon metaphor for scientology today….

    • Baby

      OOH good one Lush.. I had to process it a little to get it! ( Unless I’m just old…ha)

      • DodoTheLaser

        Happy to see you here again, Baby!

        • Baby

          Thank you Do..It is really good to get back in action again.. xo

          • DodoTheLaser

            Where’s THDNE?

            • Qbird

              I hope she’s kickin’ back, takin’ it easy, relaxing & getting recharged, after all the festivities of flagdown, sippin’ iced tea & made in the shade.

            • DodoTheLaser

              I hope so too.

              What about JohnP? Is he on vacation too?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Nice one.

    • Missionary Kid

      That is excellent. I wrote this about 40 years ago:
      In the sea of sharks,
      and little fishes,
      Ultimately,
      it’s the little fishes,
      who determine
      how many sharks there will be.

      • richelieu jr

        …and they will INSIST on tasting so GOOD!

        • Missionary Kid

          No little fishes, no sharks.

          • richelieu jr

            No suckers, no PT Barnum.

            No children, no child molesters…

  • ParticleMom

    I was reading through the complaint and checking out some of the sites mentioned. On friendsofnarconon dot org it said there were “111 guests online.” That seemed unlikely, and a quick look at the code revealed that the number was simply part of the copy. So many deceptions, small and large. *refresh for image*

    • DodoTheLaser

      Google Chrome is yet to be discovered by scientologists. Nice catch!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Nice catch indeed. And what a lazy number to choose.

    • DodoTheLaser

      “111 guests online”

      Translation:

      1 Admin
      1 Reg
      1 person from India

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Or two d-bags and 109 people from India.

        • DodoTheLaser

          From 2007.

        • Barbara Angel

          Yep and another made up number, 76 didn’t sound like enough. eleventy six maybe?
          Seems co$/narCON are rather fond of the number 76. Funny how co$ tried to distance themselves from narCON. Take a seat and wait and see how they attempt to writhe their way out of this latest lawsuit. Heehehehee Evil Cackle….heeheehee

      • Barbara Angel

        Hahahahaha….sounds like the truth to me.

      • Graham

        One hundred and eleventy?

        • DodoTheLaser

          !!!

        • richelieu jr

          I don’t know half of Scientologists half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of them half as well as they deserve.

    • AmoVolare

      I my be wrong, but the pic (and the code) does not ‘demonstrate’ that the 111 is a fixed number (i.e. printed in the page). It could be generated by a program that outputs that number based on some database live search. The result of that code would then be ‘typed’ in tha page and look as it looks.
      The only way to see if it is a dinamically generated number (or a fixed typed in number) is to re-load the page and see if and how frequently it changes….
      (In fact, every line of the above html code can be dinamically generated by a program).
      Sorry for the techy…. it was due.
      That sayed, 111 looks quite a big number for a NN facility in theese days…. and DTL may have given the correct intepretation of the 3 ones.

      • ParticleMom

        It does seem to be changing. If it is dynamic, my bad. It seems suspiciously, even impossibly high.

    • Scream Nevermore

      That made me laugh – out loud, and for at least 5 minutes! :D

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    oh dave miscavige / my vomit inspiration / ooops. i done hit lou.

    • Mooser

      Death, most of the haiku’s I have seen are arranged vertically, line by line, sort of like this:

      “There once was,
      a man from,
      Nantucket…”

      Try stacking the lines vertically, instead of using a slash (“/”) to separate them.

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    shelly is running / but why can’t she pull away / dave’s only 5′ 1″

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    dave and tom kissing / their second dynamic on / where is lrh?

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    midget of power / little tiny fists pounding / bedtime little dave

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    spank the monkey hard / screw my second dynamic / out ethics on me

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    take me to sp / i’ve been burned out by regging / have you got a buck?

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    maa hates me / seems i am not devoted / but i am just broke

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    kiss a midget’s ass / can i get down low enough / come here miscavige

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    rinder and rathbun / lacking credibility / unless their lips move

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    i joined the sea org / beans and rice for me for life / boy am i stupid

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    go on and file it / my only disconnection / will be from the church

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    the moxons saved us / astral projection beyond / who are they fooling

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    i cannot get sleep / the beans and rice don’t stay down / the room smells like farts

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    the trash bins are full / cleaning them will be trouble / where is my toothbursh?

    • Barbara Angel

      Your posts are showing that you’re not in a good space.
      Perhaps it’s time to continue on with your medications.
      No offence meant, this is not really the venue for you.

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        really, ba? i was just getting out some co$ haikus. i do not think anyone has ever said to tia what you said to me. do you really feel this way?

        • Espiando

          Tia does them in one post. One. Post. She does not crapflood the board with them. There’s a difference, assclown.

          • Mooser

            Your language, sir, is atrocious. Isn’t it wonderful that the internet keeps everybody from seeing what a weak, confused character you really are?
            Gosh, isn’t technology wonderful?

        • Mooser

          death, haikus are very hard. You just keep practicing. The more you practice, the better you will get at it.

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        also, just so you know, i am not on any meds and nor should i be. i was, as i said, just getting out some co$ haikus. why would you say what you said to me? no one has ever critiqued tia as you just did to me even though she frequently lets loose with long tirades of haikus. not that i am criticizing her. i love her work. i am just getting some of mine out of my head. i am actually pretty disheartened by your comment. would you please elaborate as to your intent?

        • Barbara Angel

          Well sir, 17 disjointed posts in a short time, not really on topic. Would this be an attention grab or a series of baits to find someone to argue with? Please don’t do this here. It’s not appropriate and is really making ‘you’ look foolish. I’m sure you’re intelligent to know when enough is enough. (This will be my last reply to you).
          Kind regards. BA

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            it is not proper nor polite to take a swipe at someone’s posts and then simply say that you are not going to reply anymore without giving said person a chance at reply. so, given your most recent post, what else can i really say beyond have a good night, too?

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    ten dollars a week / a cob b.m.w. / i don’t need my pay

  • DodoTheLaser

    It’s a new day. Happy Tuesday to all!

    • 1subgenius

      Same back atcha.
      I did not know this:
      The English name is derived from Old English Tiwesdæg and Middle English Tewesday, meaning “Tīw’s Day”, the day of Tiw or Týr, the god of single combat, victory and heroic glory in Norse mythology. Tiw was equated with Mars in the interpretatio romana, and the name of the day is a translation of Latin dies Martis.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuesday

      • DodoTheLaser

        I like that. And I like to learn too. Thank you.

      • richelieu jr

        We stick closer to mother Latin, thank you veryu much: ‘mardi’, as in ‘mardi gras’ (Fat Tuesday just doesn’t have the same… ring to it, y’know?)

        • Barbara Angel

          I thought ‘mardi gras’ was Tuesday Fat. Funny language French so much seems back to front. A bit like ‘un-fuck you’ then.

          • richelieu jr

            We quite correctly put the object before the adjective. Surely it is more important that a truck is coming at you than the fact that it is green, right?

            “Watch out for the great big, green—“ SPLAT! (Funerals, widow, tears. And why? Because— ENGLISH! )

            “Attention au camion vert!”
            (Phew! Saved in the nick of time! My wife and kids are so happy!)

            VIVE LA FRANCE! VIVENT LES FRANCAIS!

            • Barbara Angel

              Vive un camembert beurre

            • richelieu jr

              Camembert + Beurre = Breton

            • Barbara Angel

              Camembert + Bourre + Baguette = Yummo

            • richelieu jr

              Camembert + Beurre = Breton

              C’est bon, c’est vrai. C’est beurré, mais c’est tellement bourré!

  • Mooser

    One thing is becoming clear. Any article on the Bunker which involves legal action against Sci, or courtroom action on a suit already extant, and the comments go over a grand!