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Jamie DeWolf: I’ve found the last memoir of the son of Scientology’s founder

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During a mesmerizing performance last night in Clearwater, Florida at the Flag Down anti-Scientology conference, Jamie DeWolf made a stunning revelation. He’s authenticated bizarre writings that had been attributed to his grandfather, L. Ron Hubbard Jr., who was the son of Scientology’s founder. They paint a disturbing portrait of the influence of the occult on the Hubbard men as they used Scientology in its early days to further their personal aims.

We first wrote about Jamie in the summer of 2011, when we named him one of the “Top 25 People Crippling Scientology.” Though he wasn’t very well known even among former Scientologists, we said that the Bay Area performance artist had huge potential to make a major impact on how Scientology and his great-grandfather, L. Ron Hubbard, are viewed. Since then, Jamie has been working hard to make good on that prediction. A boost from Upworthy in March helped a lot, and he’s continued to hone his writing about his family tree.

Jamie revealed some of that new material last night in Clearwater in a spellbinding hour-long performance which was captured on video (it starts about 6 minutes into the clip below). During that performance, Jamie revealed that he’d only recently obtained an unpublished manuscript written by his grandfather, who went by several names — L. Ron Hubbard Jr., “Nibs,” and Ron DeWolf.

Jamie found that in 1981 his grandfather had written a memoir he titled “The Telling of Me, by Me.” Jamie read the introduction and some pages of bizarre material in which Nibs talked about learning the occult from his famous father.

 



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Jamie actually first ran into those occult writings when we brought them to his attention several months ago. Arnie Lerma had posted a portion of them online some years ago, saying that they were from another work that Nibs had helped write in the early 1970s. During our research, we discovered that the occult pages couldn’t be from that earlier work, but Arnie couldn’t help us determine where they were from. When we brought them to Jamie’s attention, we told him that we couldn’t be sure where they came from or if they were authentic. And until last night we didn’t know that he’d found out their actual origin.

Jamie tells us that he’s been probing his family members for more information about his grandfather. And that’s how he learned that the family still had material that belonged to Nibs which had been left behind after his 1991 death. In that material was the 1981 manuscript of “The Telling of Me, by Me,” including the introduction and occult section that Jamie made public last night.

Jamie doubts that the full manuscript will ever be published because of agreements that his grandfather made with the Church of Scientology before he died. But at least we have this glimpse, read aloud by a master storyteller. We’ve transcribed just a portion of it for your perusal…

 

I’m the son of God. I mislead you slightly. I’m the son of the man who creates gods. Again, I mislead you slightly. I’m a son of the man who created and founded Dianetics and Scientology, which creates gods. I’m a son of L. Ron Hubbard. This book is my dying declaration. My last will and testament. My father will order my death. My father does not use the word ‘murder.’ He prefers to use the word ‘suicide.’

I’ll give you a full tour, a tour that will cost you only a little sanity, a little reality, a queasy stomach maybe, or even an erection, an aching clitoris, a hard nipple or two. You may want to rush into the nearest church, or run out of one. A view on this tour will make a terminal ecstasy or permanent celibacy.

I left the orgs, as they’re called, November 23, 1959 at 9 a.m. sharp while I was at our headquarters in Washington D.C., 1812 19th Street. At that time, I fully intended to entirely forget the whole sorry mess. The con. The mountains of bullshit and beast-shit. I tried. I failed. I am still failing. Thank God for failure. If I’d been successful there wouldn’t be this book.

Just when people think they have me or dad brought to the ground in a box, we click into the realm of the great beast. This isn’t science fiction, fantasy, or insanity. Ask the thousands of people I’ve personally known and who have dealt with us personally. We are mindfuckers. Real mindfuckers in the real world.

Dianetics and Scientology is the largest, oldest, and most powerful cult in existence. Period. I am one. He has hordes of people and cash. The house odds are in his favor. That’s all. I’ve always been ready, willing, and able to put my life where my mouth is. Let’s all see if he is. I hope so. I pray so. Come out, Daddy. Come out, wherever you are. Pick your weapons and battleground. I have a book to give you.

I do not intend to replace L. Ron Hubbard. I do not intend to assume command of the junk pile. I resisted the numerous offers, both internal and external. My gauntlet has been openly thrown. Let him, and him alone, pick it up.

What the hell is Dianetics and Scientology? It’s a religion. A religion of self. It’s one man’s religion. One man’s labyrinth. A trip of L. Ron Hubbard’s. A trip he lays on everyone else as ‘the trip,’ their trip, your trip. A science fiction story he wrote and forced into reality within the heads of others by the will of L. Ron Hubbard. The self-created fantasy of one man brought to deadly reality for others by a simple word: agreement.

What LRH drummed into my head by his magic tech was, “Do what you will is the whole of the law. Do only that which satisfies the Will.” What the hell does that mean? I didn’t find out myself, consciously, that is, until mid-December 1952 when my father was giving a series of lectures in Philadelphia. Not from the lectures — privately, in his hotel room. He deemed it proper at that time to openly initiate me into his sources. He gives me the first of a series of books. Books and content to be kept forever secret. He says, to reveal them is to cause instant insanity. Rip my mind apart. Destroy me, he warns. Secrets, techniques, and powers he alone has conquered and harnessed.

I listen with hypnotic fascination. The books; some recently republished, some over 1,200 years old, some 5,000 years old.

“Gifts,” he says.

He is excited, fearful, cautious. he is tense. Unimparted secrets imparted for the first time. I open the books, intending to only thumb through. I am awed and amazed; I know these books! How could I?

He answers: “They were used to conceive you. And birth you too. I’ve read them to you while you were asleep. Drugged too. Hypnotized too. For years,” he says.

“Katie too. And Polly too. Scores of women. Blood and pain women. My Scarlet Women,” he says. “Souls torn open,” he says. “I’ve made The Magick really work,” he says. “No more foolish rituals. I’ve stripped The Magick to basics. Access without liability,” he says. “I’ll teach you. Learn well, my son, for you shall take my place. Be likened unto me. Fashioned by my hand. Entering the Golden Dawn with me and carrying it to the stars and beyond,” he says. “Scarlet Women of your own,” he says. “Plenty. For They are the secret to the Doorway. Use and consume. Feast. Drink the power through them. Waste and discard them. Sex by Will,” he says. “Love by Will,” he says. “No caring. No sharing. No feelings. None,” he says. “Sex and love reversed,” he says. “Blind love through sex. Love isn’t sex. Love is no good; puts you at effect-point,” he says. “Sex is power,” he says. “No, sex is the route to power,” he says. “The route to the Doorway. The Doorway to power,” he says. “FInd your Scarlet Woman,” he says. “Create your Causation,” he says. “Make your own Scarlet Women,” he says.

“Scarlet?” I ask.

“Yes, Scarlet. The blood of their bodies; the blood of their soul,” he says. “Release the Will from bondage,” he says. “Bend the body. Bend the mind. Bend their will,” he says. “Beat back the past,” he says. “Free your Will. Unfetter the Will from the past, from the future,” he says. “The present is the only thing. No consequences. None answering. No guilt,” he says. “Nothing is wrong in the present. The Will is free — Total free,” he says. “No feelings. No effort. Pure thought. Thinking alone; separated. The Will postulating the will,” he says.

“Will, Sex, Love, Blood, Door, Power, Will. Logical,” he says. “The Doorway of plenty. The great Door of the Great Beast. Him. You. Me. Our Will. Our Power. Our Reality. Ours Alone,” he says.

He repeats an incantation; invokes the Door opening to the realm of The Beast. The Great Beast. I vomit. I hurt. I feel the power flood through the Doorway. I shine. I am well.

Father says again, “Never tell or much worse will happen.”

I nod. He commands me to read. I have trouble. I keep trancing. Father has commanded. I read. “The Book Of The Law.” “The Sacred Magic Of Abra-Melin.” “The Sex Magic Of The Ninth Degree Of The O.T.O.” And later, many more textbooks. Many more hours of learning. Of practice with Dad. Practice alone. And use. An academy of religious arts and sciences. The academy of power. Hubbard power. Personal power. Not Scientology power. Great power. Beast power.

Dad was correct. Very right on. It worked exactly as he said. It still does and always will.

People mistake L. Ron Hubbard and his Scientology. They see the apparency, and not the actuality. By design. Scientology does not work as stated; but as intended. As intended by its creator L Ron Hubbard. To keep the Doorway open. To remain in the realm of the Great Beast. To feed the hunger of the Will. His Will. When he emptied the purse of man and the heart of women; it seeks onward and outward. Appetite. Forever appetite.

Scientology is the snare. The passion flower. the Cloak of Lights. The glow of power. A power always wanting. Always needing. The Will never satisfied.

Keep the books under lock and key, he says. I do for years. I burn them as a symbolic gesture many more years later. For I am my own exorcist.

 
A couple of notes: Hubbard’s first wife, Margaret Grubb (1907-1963), was known as “Polly,” and their children were Nibs (born in 1934) and Katherine (1936-2010), known as Katie or Kay. (Both Katie and Polly are mentioned in the piece as having been exposed to the occult material by Hubbard.)

In 1981, L. Ron Hubbard had been in deep hiding for a year. He was so secluded, Nibs and his attorney, Michael Flynn, believed that Hubbard had died and his estate was probably being looted. So in 1982, Nibs — by then he had changed his name to Ron DeWolf — filed a lawsuit in a Riverside County probate court in an attempt to gain control of his father’s estate. Hubbard proved to the court that he was still alive (even though he never appeared in the courtroom), and the suit was dismissed. Hubbard remained in hiding until his death on January 24, 1986. Nibs died from complications of his diabetes five years later, in 1991.

While his court case was still going, in 1983 Nibs gave a famous interview to Penthouse magazine. In it, he made some rather outlandish claims — for example, that his father had come up with the money for Saint Hill Manor, his UK estate, by selling secrets to the KGB, including plans for “an infrared heat-seeking missile” that had been pried from an engineer with the use of Scientology auditing.

Some wondered if Nibs hadn’t inherited some of his father’s penchant for tall tales. And how much of what Nibs wrote in 1981 about his father imparting his “Scarlet Woman” occult magic actually took place is something we’ll probably never know. But we can imagine why Scientology never wanted this material to see the light of day.

 
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Scientology and the environment

Scientology talks about taking care of the earth. Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine look at how well they follow their own words.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 10, 2014 at 07:00

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  • ScientolOhGee

    The caution mentioned below is important to keep in mind. The scientologysts have been dangerous to any critics for longer than even Ms Paulette Cooper’s awful experiences. Back to the 60s.

    The Public Investigation Section is formed in Division 1, Dept 3, as Section 5.

    It is composed wholly of professional investigators. The section may never be used on Ethics Section matters but may work with Ethics when an ex-Scientologist is involved.

    The statistic of the section is dual consisting of the number of cases successfully investigated on specific projects and the number of derogatory news stories appearing that week related to enemies of Scientology…

    It will be seen that the section has all the useful functions of an Intelligence and propaganda agency. The determination of what a project is is simple – what agency or groups is attacking Scientology? The Section investigates the attacking group’s individual members and sees that the results of the investigation get adequate Legal action and publicity.

    HCOPL 17 February 1966. Public Investigation Section

  • aegerprimo

    Excellent photos of the Flag Down protest on WWP starting at this post – https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/flag-down-2014-full-schedule.118222/page-15#post-2452799
    Here is a teaser pic… (refresh)

    • aegerprimo

      It’s OK to doubt!
      1-866-X-SeaOrg
      The Freeloader Debt is NOT enforceable. Get help and call.

      • ScientolOhGee

        And- Call Your Mother !

        • aegerprimo

          YES!

    • Frodis73

      Thanks for posting! I wish I could have been there.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I am exhausted. But it was worth it.
        And it ended on a high note ( meaning beer and pizza)….and discussion of next year.

        • aegerprimo

          I so want to be there NEXT YEAR!

        • Elar Aitch

          NEXT YEAR…..sweet, sweet music (although I agree with Hole that I’d prefer there was no need for one next year because the cult was over)

    • aegerprimo
    • TDA1541A

      Hope this makes a few Sea Orgers think, even if their brains are checked out.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I’m a completely straight female, but I have to say that is a cute as a button SP.

      • Tipster

        As a completely straight male, I agree

      • aegerprimo

        Yes, she is cute! I hope some Sea Org members were looking at her and the sign…. ☺

        • Elar Aitch

          Well Hubbard realised that sweet young things were a way of getting people IN. But what I like most about this girl is her commitment to freedom.

    • TDA1541A

      If I was in and I saw that I would get doubts, no doubt about that.

      Alsoo: red hear will restimulate the Hubbard Implant

  • media_lush
  • WhamBham

    Reposting from this morning for those who haven’t seen it…

    ON JAMIE DEWOLF’S FB PAGE ON MAY 5TH (the more people that see it the better – the last few sentences)…if it gets buried down too far I will post it again or if anyone wants to repost etc.

    Jamie DeWolf wrote:

    Dear world: not to make anyone too afraid, but here’s the truth: Most of you know I’m the great grandson of L. Ron and a continuing thorn in the side of his cult of Scientology. Some of you may know that their Mecca
    and crown empire is in Clearwater, FL, a city they consumed decades ago and now overrun in 200+ security
    cameras, armed security and double agents patrolling day and night. Almost none of you knew THAT’S WHERE I’M FLYING TO TONIGHT for an anti-Scientology summit in the mouth of the beast. I haven’t been there in over a decade and a half ever since I first took a swing at Goliath.

    Here’s the deal, if anything happens to me, a freak car accident, a slip in the damn bath-tub, a sudden heart attack, don’t believe a word of it. I’m laying it out now. Now there’s a record of it. The world is watching fuckos. Truth will out. http://www.flagdown.org/

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: an ABC

    Australia – ostracized
    Belgium – beleaguered
    Canada – convicted
    Deutschland – damned

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      OooOoo, I have a good one for “F”!

      • SOL

        France = fraud

        • aegerprimo

          Greece – gaffed
          Holland – hated
          Israel – immunized
          Japan – jinxed

    • aegerprimo

      España – eluded

    • aegerprimo

      Greece – gaffed
      Holland – hated (Netherlands – nixed)
      Israel – immunized
      Japan – jinxed (Nippon – nullified)
      Korea (South) – kicked
      Latvia – liquified
      Malasia – maligned
      New Zealand – negated
      Osterreich (Austria) – ostracized
      Portugal – petrified
      Q atar – quashed
      Rwanda – resented
      Sweden – soused
      Taiwan – threatened
      Ukraine – unraveled
      Venezuela – vexed
      Wales – wringed
      Xanadu (LOL) – xerophyted
      Yemen – yellowed
      Zimbabwe – zapped

      • Panopea Abrupta

        / / / / / /

        Wow, ap … 🙂

        • aegerprimo

          Heh heh, I got carried away.

  • RBE

    Geir Isene has a post up at his blog that I am sure will give people here the anger that John Duignan expressed in his Flag Down talk http://isene.me/2014/05/08/fair-game-disconnection/

    • WhamBham

      um….what? was that “sarcasm”? or does he really feel that way? maybe I’m misunderstanding…

      • RBE

        Yeah, that was my initial feeling of “what the hell, is this some sarcasm”? But if you read some of the comments it appears he does feel that way.

        • WhamBham

          This was one of his posts….”I have to a much greater degree adopted the Fuck It attitude and through this post and others would like to inspire others in the same direction.”

          I don’t understand why he participated in Flagdown then. This is just strange.

          • RBE

            I don’t think people like Victoria Britton or the countless other people that have had their lives greatly damaged or destroyed can take such a laissez-faire attitude.

            • Sarah James

              I wanted to hear what Victoria Britton had to say about Kyle’s death and the Scientology connection to David Miscavige, Denise and Kyle’s father. If any of the drama had a role in her not getting her history out there then I hope those people step back in the future.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        If it is sarcasm, it’s really bad sarcasm. I’m confused, too.

    • Espiando

      I think that Geir may have cracked under the criticism he got for his Flag Down talk supporting Hubtard, so he’s going after what he perceives to be one of the biggest hot buttons the Anti crowd has in a way to lash out against his critics (i.e., he’s having a tantrum). Pretty soon, he’ll legally change his name to OTVIII Geir Isene.

      Memo to Annette: Give him some. Now.

      • TDA1541A

        That was my advice on WWP in the Injunction disgusting thread to the lot of them.

        • Sarah James

          I took a look, and looks like high school drama. What do they expect? Guns and swords? The speakers got the message out, they protested and lots of beer and pizza. Victory!

          • TDA1541A
            • Sarah James

              They also had cake! Lol

            • WhamBham

              boobies and cake….

            • aegerprimo

              Wow, THAT’S a party! Way to go Flag Down 2014!

            • Sarah James

              I’ve got my own, but I like cake.

            • WhamBham

              hahahaha! me too….double D’s…sometimes a curse..sometimes an advantage….like at the mechanics and stuff….

      • GaLAXee

        An OTVIII cracking under pressure? Surely you jest!

    • GaLAXee

      WTF? Has Isene gone back to slurping down KoolAid or is something being lost in translation?

    • aegerprimo

      Say WHAT? This dude continues to confuse me. When I listened to his YouTube video interviews, I thought, Okay, he is an OT VIII indie freezoner. Then he speaks out at events like the recent Flag Down. I do not get him. No I do… the Kool-Aid still influences him.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I disagree…..I think he stumbles directly over his own ego.
        Too bad, Annette seemed nice.

        • aegerprimo

          I respect your viewpoint BTN, and you got to meet the man in person. From my point of view I could be confusing “drinking the Kool-Aid douchbag-ness” with as you say – stumbling over his own ego.
          The important thing is that he spoke out at the Flag Down event. That is significant and important.

      • His website (the bits he put up very shortly after leaving) describes him as indie. His book ends with him not being an indie. TBH I haven’t watched his video interviews (or the video of him at Flag Down).

        Anyway, he’s free to take the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology more or less seriously as a threat to its victims. I don’t have to agree with him 🙂

    • NOLAGirl

      WTF? The Co$ is nicer about their fair game than the US, UK & Norway………

      Ummm Ok.

    • D.Y.G.

      That is some grand scale idiocy right there.

    • Watergate

      Geir thinks he’s a good deal smarter than he is. He thinks that “going against the grain” shows what a clever fellow he is. SMH

      • RBE

        Yep. He said in his Flag Down talk he is interested in astronomy and particle physics. Big deal, so are lots of other people but they also have empathy. When he said in his talk that he would do the bridge again I was thinking have you not been concentrating when people have been telling their stories of abuse and misery as Sea Org members or the child of Sea Org parents. His money helps prop this shit up!

        • D.Y.G.

          I don’t know what to take away from all this but that he’s willfully blind.

          • Watergate

            My takeaway (I’ve listened to him blather on numerous boards) is that he is terrified of being predictable. He is obsessed about being unique — a group of one.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I like Geir’s intellect, a very bright guy, but his trivializing the Fair Game & Disconnection by contrasting it against the dastardly deeds that US Foreign Policy puts into play is a sh1t pile of rubbish. Contrasting the 2 is meaningless. If even 1 family had a disconnection like any 1 of the dozens of stories about children/wives/mothers/brothers/husband/sisters families torn apart, that would be 1 too many. And would merit the entire movement as it exists today, to stop the chirch’s illegalities.

        • He might be right about being clever – I wouldn’t call him a liar just because I disagree with him about how bad the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is. I know the type of person he describes in his book, and based on that I think he could have done a lot better than being a clam. He doesn’t seem to think he got off so badly. Well, I’m glad that he’s not despondent about having been a victim, and he is not my private army, but it sounds like he’s busy trivialising the impact of the Co$ and that I don’t have to agree with

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Geir Isene can fuck right off.

      Disconnection is criminal.
      It is used as blackmail.
      It destroys peoples’ lives.

      This Norwegian dickhead needs to get psychological help.
      His heart is missing.

      If it upsets him that I say this, so what?

    • Sunny Sands

      Didn’t he say at Flag Down, this is the way he feels today, tomorrow he might feel differently.

    • Captain Howdy

      Whaddya expect from a guy who blows 250 grand on scientology and says he never considered himself a scientologist? “Oh, I’m wealthy, good looking and bored. Here, let me piss away enough money to feed a whole village in Africa for a year on this crazy ass shit because maybe it will make me even more godlike””

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    off-topic; football makes this guy really sad…
    http://youtu.be/nW-_fFdkegs

    • Vaquera

      #Mr.Relevent

    • NOLAGirl

      YAY Michael Sam!! So happy for him.

    • Espiando

      Michael Sam’s NFL employment, of course, is in my circle of interest. Still doesn’t make up for snatching the player the Bears needed in the first round, Mister Fisher, but good for you and your team.

      Speaking of the Bears, they drafted a quarterback named Fales. How appropriate.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        I’m thrilled for him.. I didn’t think he was going to be picked. I thought free agency for sure. Hopefully this huge news means I don’t have to hear about Manziel until the preseason starts.

        • Vaquera

          Yes, lordy. Can I hear an Amen?

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Oh.. Amen!

            • Vaquera

              My Amen was your Manziel comment. Whew for the Sam news derail, you are right!

        • Captain Howdy

          Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, Johnny…YAY! Cleveland Rocks!

      • NOLAGirl

        We have to come up there and play the Bears in December. That is one of the few games I’m worried about. We usually always play bad up there.

        • Vaquera

          Did you see my man, Morton A, announcing one of the Saints picks last night? Love the guy.

          • NOLAGirl

            I sure did. Morton rocks. He’s still much loved here too. 🙂

      • Elar Aitch

        Congrats Conchita

    • D.Y.G.

      I might have sobbed right along with him. That was beautiful.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        It did get a little dusty here..

        • Captain Howdy

          At first I thought he was crying because he got drafted by the rams.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Ahahah maybe he was

    • i-Betty

      That’s absolutely lovely. I’m always blown away by Americans’ good manners; even in bits the guy is saying “Yes, Sir…” You wouldn’t get that EVER in the UK. 🙂

    • SOL

      Giant step for football; giant leap for everyone when sexual preference isn’t even newsworthy.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for May 10: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #25,270 – up 798 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 19,918)
    Scientology: US rank #63,392 – up 6,091 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 51,017)

    Difference: 38,122 – 5,293 less than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 31,099)

    Clicks from India – ?% today (no number on Alexa).

  • Edward Whalley

    To anyone who doesn’t believe me: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/babalon210.htm
    As I might clarify further: Crowley ?= evil, Parsons != evil, Hubbard >>> evil.

    • Tory Christman

      We saw a play students put on at Cal Tech in Pasadena, about Alister Crowley, Jack Parson’s and L Ron Hubbard. The funny thing is Hubbard was the totally nerdy (not in a good way, the dork/nerd) person! Parson’s was Mr Scientist by day…sex maniac by night. Crowley was far away…which was s/t I never knew. Funniest part was HOW they represented L Ron Hubbard. Also the “OTO” was there, for real…still using Crowley’s stuff NOW. Amazing and true. 🙂 TLC

      • Edward Whalley

        Always an honor to hear from you, Ms. Magoo!

  • SS

    Man, I could listen to Jamie talk about this stuff all day – the dude has charisma.

    I love the fact that this guy is Ron’s own flesh and blood, yet he thoroughly sees the whole mindf_cking scam for exactly what it is….. and he’s as revolted as the rest of us.

  • GaLAXee

    Geir Isene’s message appears to be: there are far worse state sanctioned human rights violations going on right now. Reactions to the “minuscule” (by comparison) amounts of less serious Co$ human rights violations is a boring over reaction. Further down in the comment section he illustrates this with a pretend conversation in which he likens the CoS violations to “pick pocketing” people of their jewellery or teddy bears.

    The problem with your dismissive argument Geir, is that someone losing their family to disconnection is not the equivalent of losing a two dollar watch, and someone losing their livelihood as a result of fair game is not the same as being robbed of a teddy bear. This argument is not only specious, it’s disrespectful to the many people who have suffered as a result. Arguing that we should ignore some human rights violations because they’re not quite as serious as some other forms of human rights violations is just plain wrong, short sighted, and frankly, stupid. A human rights violation is a human rights violation and should be opposed in whatever form it takes wherever it appears. Go back to scientology, Geir, your casual attitude to humans rights violations makes you a perfect fit.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      At WWP, someone with BtN’s avatar posted this:

      I was unimpressed by a privileged, bloviating “ex” who said he would do it all over again (Scientology all the way to OT8) ..even after knowing what he does now.

      The EP of his speech was….he once said no to David Miscavige. Big whoop.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yep, that was me.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Just making sure. 🙂

        • i-Betty

          Good girl, Bury. You don’t ever BS.

          • Tipster

            Anyone who messes with BTN is misguided

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am really the shy type 😉

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Was snacking and it’s all over the room now. Thanks.

            • Tipster

              But your words are like a battle axe:)

            • i-Betty

              Sure you are 😀

        • NOLAGirl

          I just saw Baby’s response to amax, and I was stunned. Why would she treat Baby that way, especially when Baby was willingly helping? I just don’t understand some peoples rudeness. If she was that overwhelmed, it seems she’d have been very grateful for any help that was offered.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            She treated us like we had Ebola.
            At first it was just odd, then it got sad and eventually pathetic.

            • NOLAGirl

              I realize it isn’t for me to apologize, but I’m very sorry y’all got treated like that. I know you went there with the best intentions and probably more than willing to help. It’s a shame she took that attitude rather than trying to work together with everyone. Know that I appreciate anything you all and everyone else did to make it a success.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh don’t worry about that….none of us really gave two shits about that.
              Flagdown ended in perfection.
              Wonderful protest.
              I love the hell out of Xander, Lostatsea, Ricky bobby……..oh hell…all of them.
              Btw…Arnie Lerma is a flirt 🙂

            • Elar Aitch

              Handsy?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              No, but there was one of those as well!

            • Frodis73

              LOL! There’s always one.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yeah, if you count Baby! I kid…..I kid. Slightly.

            • Baby

              Hahahhaha Very Funny Mr.

            • Sherbet

              Is there a recap of today coming? I’ve seen pictures but no play-by-play.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              We got together at Coachmen park and all walked towards Flag…taking great care to look for Mark Bunker under every bush….
              Ok, now I am being an ass…I tired.

              We spent a lot of time on the South side of flag where they constantly are loading and unloading the sea org buses. Several hundred over the time we were there.
              We yelled slogans over their boom box tech till we could barely talk under the watchful eye of Sarah Heller, her goons, the hired CPD and that cute German Shepard they brought out to intimidate.
              then we went to Court St.
              That is the road to the beach. Lots of honking and support. That part was fun.
              Some little kid yelled out of his parents car…..Scientology sucks. Wierd, but kinda funny.
              Then Xander did his video showing himself raiding in the “zone”. Right next to a bunch of cops, to prove that WBM’s injunction has fuck all to do with us protesting.
              Nuff said.

              I will be back.

            • villagedianne

              Thanks BtN!

            • aegerprimo

              Me too. I would’ve treated EVERYONE like a VIP.

            • Vaquera

              Do you think she considered the three of you guilty by TO association? At the beginning of the week, I gleaned the impression that amaX liked THDNE.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I think she does like THDNE. I guess she knows her. She didn’t know Baby or I and made it quite clear she did not have any desire to. She was downright shitty towards Dee… And that is my adopted Ma…
              You don’t fuck with my Dee!!!

            • Vaquera

              Dee! Oops, I didn’t mean to leave out any Bunkerites. In the comments here, THDNE did a good job of walking a very tight rope. I’m sorry AMA treated such willing-to-help SP’s as untouchables. All of you rock my vote!!

            • Captain Howdy

              She’s lucky Dee didn’t let lose with her “guns”.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ll tell what’s sad and depressing is seeing some middle aged grannie (Laura) trying to yak like she’s some teenage anon hipster.

            • NOLAGirl

              Agreed.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Seriously… I don’t know her but I’m embarrassed for her. She’s gotta be in her mid-50s and she writes like a 15 year old on 4chan. What the hell is that?

            • Sherbet

              The saddest and most depressing part is what the people at Flag think of Flag Down’s efforts, that it was a custer fluck, ineffective, with a lot of divisiveness. Who knows what they think. Taking Flynn’s actions at face value — since I wasn’t there and hear everything second-hand — it looks like she scored a point for the other side.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              This time. There won’t be a repeat, I can assure you.

            • Sherbet

              Some of us from the Bunker helped finance Flynn’s attempted star turn. Does she realize that?

            • Vaquera

              Remember, eventually the wrinkles were pressed out. I am still glad that I donated. Flynn was a gnat who was eventually swatted.

            • aegerprimo

              Yes.

            • Vaquera

              Uh oh, by using the past tense I didn’t mean to imply she’d dropped her meat body. I’ll rephrase, “Flynn IS a gnat who was eventually swatted.” 🙂

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Doubt if it would make a difference. She seems to have some health issues.

              But Xander and Pete and Father Tony are on the same page and many of us have offered assistance and support. Both locally and from far away.
              It truly was a success.

            • Sherbet

              That’s great. I can’t wait to get my goodie bag from Pete.

            • NOLAGirl

              I hope your help was gladly accepted & appreciated once that group took over. Working together is the best way to make these things flow smoothly.

            • Qbird

              Bury – do you think that there will be another Flagdown, perhaps next year? Cuz if there is, I will go, period, end of story.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yes, I do. and I owe you an email. Tilse gave me your message.
              It may be a long email….lol

            • Qbird

              You don’t owe me nuthin’ girlfriend – I knew you were gonna BE THERE BTNz and keep us all in the loop, you & other wonderful folks. I was so pleased to be able to listen to Michael speak. Oh and so many others too – i am still catching up & I’m just so intensely pleased with the fact that most of this event was live streamed &then recorded for to look at later, by anyone.
              very very cool.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              All to the good if the enemy underestimates you.

              And make no mistake, the videos, the talks, the inspiration will not vanish.
              The long-term erosion of their criminal foundations is on-going.

            • aegerprimo

              Yes to that Pan Ab!

            • Captain Howdy

              I think all in all the good outweighed the bad.

            • aegerprimo

              I think so too “all the good outweighed the bad”. All the good will be shared and shared on the internet! Take that Co$ (and irrelevant losers on the fringes.)

            • Sherbet

              I agree. Even if 1,500 people showed up, the cult would call it a disastrous event involving a handful of bitter, defrocked apostates with an ax to grind, etc. etc.

            • TDA1541A
            • Elar Aitch

              Flag would have been able to manufacture a negative take-away regardless of how well this conference went.

              What has been exhibited overall is the freedom to express disappointments and anger without ethics action.

              It’s been the anti-thesis of Scientology.

            • Sherbet

              Right. I was saying the same thing, below, in reply to Howdy.

            • philosofa

              Exactly! In the real world we are actually free to be ourselves for good or ill, unlike the imprisoned scibots under the thought-control of the toxic co$ Cult, too scared to speak, think or act freely even when they have doubts – the risks are too high.

              Even the clams private thought are invaded and monitored and amended. I can’t think of anything more grotesquely unlike a so-called “bridge to freedom”. The long con that the twisted old monster Hubbard invented is a breathtakingly evil and cruel hypocrisy and that is why we loathe the clampire and all it’s works and hope that the remaining victims are able to stop sleepwalking through their own destruction and wake up, one by one.

              That is what Flagdown 2014 was about. I hope and believe that some of the “church” members will notice that the big difference between their faux “freedom” and the real thing is that wogs don’t disconnect or send people to the Hole for egofagging, messing things up, having a difference of opinion or behaving like a silly fool…they just blithely carry on doing the right thing regardless and it all works out fine.

              We understand that freedom was never what the co$ mindfuck was really about – only Hubtards – and now Cap’n Bligh Misavage’s – freedom to pillage their followers bank accounts, minds and lives at will. In Lil’ Dictator Davey’s Damnation Navy there is no freedom of speech, thought, choice, movement or anything else worth having..

              Flagdown 2014 was a triumph. A stellar example of freedom – freedom to act like an egotistical idiot, to make mistakes, to openly criticize, to move on and to publicly speak out and be a hero, as so many who were in attendance there are. Kudos to them!!

            • Sarah James

              I have an aunt that acts just like her…we call it mental illness.

            • D.Y.G.

              Some people seem to thrive only when manufacturing drama.

          • Captain Howdy

            Response where, got a link?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              WWP flagdown full schedule

            • D.Y.G.
            • Tipster

              Wow, that drama seems like a junior high popularity contest

            • D.Y.G.

              You definitely have to wade through some crap to get to the real information.

            • NOLAGirl

              Last page of the thread D.Y.G. posted (page 16) about mid-page. Baby’s name there is BabyBunker. 🙂

              And amax telling everyone to “enjoy your fail” was just classless. Don’t wish your fellow protester’s well, just wish fail on the whole thing because it isn’t about you. Very adult and mature. /sarcasm off

            • Sibs

              I take back my neutrality on last Monday. She reminds me of middle school in a really bad way. And I’m a still a little gobsmacked that she’s a grown middle-aged adult – I thought people aged out of that kind of thing.

    • i-Betty

      I must admit I was dreadfully disappointed with what Geir had to say.

  • ScientolOhGee

    From TG1. Such a wonderful message.
    11th May 2014, 12:57 AM #581. Exscn.net.

    “From everything I’ve read and the pix I’ve seen, it sure sounds like the protest was a grand success. And it was more than a few steps forward in terms of protesting against the cult in its lair.

    “Plus, it looked fun and lulzy and had flair.

    “Although these collaborations are not without conflict, it’s a beautiful thing when anons, Bunkerites, ESMBers, SPs, and citizens who just jump in and join make something like this come together.

    “I congratulate and thank everyone who protested today.

    “And dear God, I pray that COB and other cult predators are profoundly humiliated in a way we can all laugh at and give each other high-fives about—after which someone takes us all out for lots of ice cream and then we all go home and get to stay up really late and watch cartoons.”

  • HelenNPN

    I can honestly say I am both shocked, and in some way, not surprised at all.

    And more resolute than ever.

  • Tory Christman

    Jamie Rocks *every time* …but this talk? OMG! If you for some reason missed it, please listen to him: ALL of it! He is fantastic and truly sets the record straight re his Great Grandfather (Hubbard) and his Grandfather, Hubbard’s son. Thank you, Jamie!! <3 You nailed it!! <3

    • Betsy

      I second and third this. Jamie raises the gene pool up out of the depths of ignominy and into brilliance and creativity.

  • i-Betty

    Jamie DeWolf is something else. Was he as mesmerising in the flesh as he is on film, Bury? Disney need to employ him as the voice of their next hero, actually. I could fall in love with that voice 🙂 What an interesting, talented guy.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Oh fuck yes.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Truly- was thinking as he was on that he might that he may wanna branch out into acting; WME or some agency in Tinsletown needs to sign the man- imagine him at a casting director’s audition, a force of nature; be turning down parts within the shortest amount of time, he’d be in such huge demand.

      • Missionary Kid

        I have heard some truly spellbinding evangelists, and Jamie would be in that category, except that he really has something to say, and his words carry with everyone far longer than any revival.

        The passion is there, the performance is there, and the substance is there. Go Jamie!

        • MaxSpaceman

          Yes!

          Say, where is From Poland With Love? do you know? Miss her/him.

          • Missionary Kid

            I don’t know. We’ll have to welcome them when they come back.

            I believe that Jamie has really been honing his whole performance. This one ended up being the high point. It’s kind of like Hendrix and Joplin at Monterey Pop. People will remember this.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Zackly, well put.

              ‘Tis why I suggested WME or some agency in Hollywoodland should grab him and start sending him out. He would instantly get cast. I am not sure if he wants to do the thespian routine, but he does his performance art so well, the raves, the poetry raps, et al. And he’s so charismatic. And a powerful communicator.

              If anyone can get a word to JDeW, mention going out for some fillm parts – if he’s interested – cuz he is a can’t miss presence. And you’re right!! — it is a seminal performance like Monterey, for Jamie, in its own way, Flag Down was that for him. Too rich!!

      • grundoon
  • Vinay Agarwala

    That is a riveting delivery by Jamie DeWolf. Hubbard cast a pretty powerful Black Magic. It is Internet unravelling primarily because of Internet. It would have probably taken at least ten times longer without Internet.
    .
    Scientology may be put to some good use if “Black Magic” elements are taken out of it. But then it would not be recognizable as Scientology.
    .
    Some of the “Black Magic” elements seem to be:
    (a) Using the via of e-meter, reactions on which are not seen by the preclear.
    (b) Mechanically repeating the auditing command
    (c) Forcing an answer even when there is none
    (d) Collection of intimate personal details
    (e) Making a showy and eleborate business out of auditing
    (f) Falsely exaggerating the price of auditing to make it seem valuable.
    .
    I am sure there are many more.
    .
    http://vinaire.me/2012/10/05/a-look-at-scientology-auditing/
    .

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      “But then it would not be recognizable as Scientology”

      Exactly! Do you see what you did there???

      • Vinay Agarwala
        • Tipster

          “The outer form of awareness is the electromagnetic wave. Awareness is the pattern embedded within the electromagnetic wave.”

          WTF?

          FYI, there’s not a lot of EM waves involved in neurobiology

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Troll alert:
            Press ignore.
            That blog is as full of pseudo-science as Hubbard in his prime.

            • Tipster

              Yeppers

            • Captain Howdy

              Vinnay isn’t a troll per se. He’s more of a slightly eccentric ex-scientologist physics professor.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Who annoys the shit out of us!

              😉
              Love ya Vinnay

            • Tipster

              Engineering, I think

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yes

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh god, he’s a professor? He gets paid to teach people? On Venus?

            • Panopea Abrupta

              He’s not a professor – he claims a Masters in engineering from MIT.
              He now teaches math to kids, may be on the verge of retiring or is retired.
              He is still deeply stuck with the woo-woo and kool-aid, Hubbardian and self-generated. He is a giant waste of energy to engage with as he pontificates about stuff he has no business talking about.
              Enough.
              Life is too short.

          • Vinay Agarwala

            They will in the future.

            • Tipster

              Yes, of course they will in the future. But until then, it’s speculation.

          • aegerprimo

            Here, you need some of this (refresh).

          • Robert Eckert

            He wants to take out all the hypnotic and addicting elements from scientology and leave all the poorly-educated pseudo-scientific word salad. He doesn’t realize that in isolation, that kind of babble has no attraction.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      How2fix: Get rid of all the weird bloody sex black magick nonsense and replace it all with Dance Magick
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvyNOg4jSRg

      • D.Y.G.

        There’s 2 1/2 minutes of my life I can’t get back.

      • Sydjazz

        Jt would be good at that. A la saturday night fever hehehe

      • Observer

        One of my favorite movies ever. I couldn’t tell you why.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I love it too. Damn near wore out the VHS copy we had.

        • Jo

          Bowie in tights, looking hot. Of course the music was good too.

      • Captain Howdy

        Wut? No J.C? …sacrilege.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I will post a much different J.C. clip from a much different movie later on ok. You know what I mean.

          • Captain Howdy

            I don’t care what it is as long as she still has her breasts.

    • Captain Howdy

      Hi Vinnay.

      • Observer

        OT, but you don’t happen to have an Xbox One, do you? For awhile today I had a teammate named CaptainHowdy77.

        • Captain Howdy

          I wish I had an xbox, then I wouldn’t have to hang around here all day. j/k

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Let me modify this for you:

      Scientology may be put to some good use if “scientology” elements are taken out of it.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: might be useful IF it was NOT $cientology.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: Developing one’s is-ass ness.

    • Sydjazz

      Developing one is an ass ness

  • Gerard Plourde

    While the possibility of Nibs exaggerating can’t be discounted, the Black Magic roots of Scientology seem well-established. There’s no doubt that Hubbard was connected with Jack Parsons and by extension with Aleister Crowley. It certainly fits with the actual goal of Scientology, i.e. having power and control over others.

  • jeff

    Off-topic, but Asthmatic Dwarf aka Max Spaceman aka Galactic Greg seems to have flown the coop. Anyone know what happened to him?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Haven’t seen him. Maybe that guy ScientolOhGee knows?

      • Sherbet

        Man, I sure am dense…

        • Observer

          We can be dense together.

          • Sherbet

            LOL

          • MaxSpaceman

            I needed the same kind of rest you’re looking for Obs, but it was Flag Down week for keireist’s sake and I just couldn’t go away for the week! So I hung around and couldn’t keep me mouth shut! Rest well, dear Obsie and see you on the rebound.

        • MaxSpaceman

          no, I was vanishing, not too well. Charge that battery up Sherbie; catch you soon.

      • Vaquera

        Gosh darn it!

      • Captain Howdy

        They changed their name again? Oy veh.

      • Elar Aitch

        Wondered who the hell S-O-G was!

        • Qbird

          dunno – but S-Oh-G was definitely W-O-G.

    • Captain Howdy

      Yes, Max and Eclipse girl have gone AWOL and they sorely missed.

      • Sherbet

        Eclipse-girl has been posting less often, but she said it was only because she’s been occupied with other things. Jeez, what will happen when the cult closes down for good? The Bunker will clear out, and there will be nothing left but a saggy couch and caek crumbs.

        • Qbird

          but a comfy saggy couch with plenty of room & delicious crumbs!
          and laughter — lots of laughter

          • Sherbet

            And we don’t worry about the neighbors complaining about the noise.

            • Qbird

              Hello Sherb. Posting back here so as not to derail, etc. From Bury to me via email, Flag Down was tough on a few folks in terms of the work involved – THDNE was very involved & did a lot of work (hosting a fine brunch, etc) – she spent a lot of money to pull it all off. Also she has been fair gamed by the COS there on her own home turf and I believe that this really hurt & scared her hard – yeah, it makes a person duck & dodge & STFU – so she lays low sometimes – for long periods, doesn’t communicate – she has to, I think, for the sake of her own peace of mind.

              There were some serious conflicts @FD, I would say personality conflicts, between some of the participants, all of whom have STRONG personalities – some felt extremely under-appreciated & got their feelings hurt. Now, please know, that I am saying these things using only my personal observations & reading (listening) intently to the conversations in the Bunker. I of course am hoping that Hole is okay & carrying on & living her life well – I know she is, she has to, she is a strong one. She has a gift when it comes to expressing herself & she does it and will do it, when & where she feels inspired – sometimes it is not here in the bunker.

              Don’t know if any of this helps – this is just my very limited perspective. FD was extremely intense for many of the folks who attended & some feelings got hurt – it happens. Who, what, when & how – doesn’t matter so much as we must simply go on now… even in the face of hurt feelings.
              love to you Sherbet, Q

        • jeff

          I thought you were to start your own religion….surely you can start a VFW like blog for us Bunkerites.

          • Sherbet

            You always remember that I was going to start my own religion, jeff. 😀 Anyway, I don’t think the cos is going to fold any time soon, so we’re all stuck together for a while longer. And that’s good.

            • jeff

              Being stuck together is cool, CO$ lasting, not so much.

            • Sherbet

              A few years, not a billion. Cheer up.

            • jeff

              But Sherb, I postulated in February I think that 2014 will be the end of the cult. Are you doubting my OT powers?

            • Sherbet

              If you’re right, I’ll kiss my foot. But I hope you’re right. It gets worse and worse for DM et al, and we love it. (PS: I’m not sure I can reach my foot.)

            • jeff

              If I’m right, you’ll have time to take up yoga.

            • Sherbet

              Ha! Love your sense of humor, jeff.

        • Captain Howdy

          “Jeez, what will happen when the cult closes down for good?”

          http://youtu.be/mTLqp-KKuo4

          • Sherbet

            Maybe then I can do something other than hunkering down on the couch with a laptop. I used to knit, read, talk to people….

            • Captain Howdy

              Forget that crap, there’s no going back! All the way to the river’s end.

            • Sherbet

              I’m in, for good.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I used to do stuff too? WTF happened?

            • Sherbet

              For me, it was that damn TomKat divorce that really turned my mild interest in scientology into an obsession. I wonder if there’s a 12-step group for this addiction.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              That ramped mine back up too.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              That’s what we’ll all do after it’s over. Go to quittin’ group together.

          • TDA1541A

            People will find other mindfucks

            “Clean living” seems to be a difficult proposition.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Had an mixed episode Howdy looking for anonymity and free styled the week. A no-strings approach. But the i.d.’s ring thru if one comments and it was a hoot to comment with the sh1thead Rich Bent OSA robot trying to derail the chat on the live stream. Thanks for the kind words. And E-girl has changed to “guest” in all her history with me. At first I thought that meat she had bolted. Like Moorwalker has. Then I recalled she had changed to Eclipse-Girl. And I’m looking for her return. So- you are a Cailf. production of 60s, 70s, 80s, while me a product of 60s to ’72 when I bolted Southern Calif. on a tour (vocals, bass, keys) and never went back. We’ll swap music stories some day when there’s time to while away. Ciao4now.

        • philosofa

          I saw the chat on live stream – if that was you jousting with Rich Bent you totally owned him. Like a baws.

          • MaxSpaceman

            So glad you got a kick outta that! Yeah, I wanted to roast his punk ass. (As scientolo oh! gee!) He was derailing and dropping his sh1t bullets on the space where all Flag Down virtual attenders were hanging out. By Jamie’s night, he bailed after 1 slap in his/her face. That was rich!!

            Catch you round, Phil –

  • Observer

    I think after tomorrow I’m going to take a break for a bit (can’t miss
    the Sunday funnies!). I’ve been on an 8-hour Titanfall jag working out
    my emotions from last night. All the speakers were fantastic, but Tom
    Padgett and Jamie DeWolf consecutively, and especially Nibs’ terrible
    story in his own words, affected me in a way I was not expecting and have not experienced
    before.

    I’m talking days, not weeks–once a Bunker addict always
    a Bunker addict–but I really need to take a break to sort through and
    assimilate everything.

    For those of you who survived it … my respect for you has increased exponentially, and it was high to begin with. I am so, so sorry you went through it.

    • Sherbet

      I understand perfectly, Observer. I’ve done it, too. It amazes me that a never-in like myself can become so verklempt over the injustices and horror that is scientology. I know you’ll be back.

      • Science Doc

        I took a ten year break after the LMT went south. See you in a few weeks.

        • Sherbet

          I mean I’ve done it in the past. I’m staying but will take vacations as needed to preserve my sanity.

          • Observer

            I thought he meant he’s taking a break. But we’ve already established I’m dense.

            • Sherbet

              I’m not sure who’s taking a break now, except for you. 🙂

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m not taking a break. I’m taking Observer’s spot on the Shoop Squad. And I’ll either be booed out of here or banned, so it will basically be the same as if I’m on a break.

            • Sherbet

              Bunkeroos aren’t shy about giving their opinions, Jimmy. We’ll let you know.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think Bunkaroos should be in the dictionary as an antonym for shy.

    • NOLAGirl

      You’ll be missed Obs, but I understand the need to decompress a little. Hurry back. 🙂

    • Captain Howdy

      Back in the day on youtube i had to take occasional breaks because I was thinking, talking, dreaming stupid scientology 24/7/365.

      • Sherbet

        This is what I meant when I posted a couple of days ago about being in the club or out of the club. I’m nowhere near club material, but I’m sincere and sensible, so I’ll continue to hang around. People like Flynn apparently feel that only club members are welcome. Anyway, you paid your dues, Howdy. It’s personal with you.

        • Captain Howdy

          If you’re not in the “club” I don’t know who the fuck is.

          Yes, it’s personal for me…I will not rest until i discover vaLLarrr’s true identity!

      • Qbird

        gah! no Captain NO! You gotta keep that fucktard Hubbard OUT OF YOUR HEAD – he’s done dead and gone…. and good riddance.

        • Captain Howdy

          I didn’t mean now, I meant back on youtube chanology 2008-2012

          • Qbird

            yeah yeah – I gotcha fine there. I just can’t stand the idea of him fucking with someone’s head – i can’t stand it! The speakers are correct, it’s damn toxic – even an ever so slight touch feels poisonous to a sound and sane mind.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m a product of Crazy California in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s and I’m also a product of the punk/junk scene. It’s going to take a lot more than whatever LRH could dish up to shake me.

      • aquaclara

        Sorry, Caps. Hope things are better now. And hope you’re getting over the buggy problem.
        We need you here, you know.

    • Tipster

      LRH is as dirty and rotten a human you will ever meet, much like a serial killer. Sociopaths like that leave a chilly shadow on your heart, when you realize there are slippery people that walk amongst us, who are quite different from us.

    • Elar Aitch

      Hope you can come back with the perfect creative rendering of how you are feeling right now in a killer-assed shoop. Be well.

    • Juicer77

      Take all the time you need. Walk in the fresh air. Eat something yummy. Nap a little. Let your brain settle. See you when you get back!

    • aquaclara

      Well-deserved, Obs. Relax and come back when you’re ready.

      I took a break for a few years after Lisa McPherson’s murder-by-neglect. It was far too painful.
      This week, I have taken in about half the talks, melting through each. How tough this must be for those who lived through so many of these experiences as an inny. I’ll listen to the rest this week.

      God bless you all, exes and protesters and never-ins. And for the moms who worry or have lost a son or daughter, a special heartfelt hug and prayer for each of you. There are not enough words to help, but for the Alexander Jenschs and Kyles and Shawns and all of those we have lost, we won’t forget them.

      Come back soon, Obs. Take care.

    • Sherbet

      “Ron’s Abomination” is a perfect nickname for the church, BTW.

      • Missionary Kid

        I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

    • i-Betty

      I don’t like that you’ve been effected so powerfully. It’s sensible to take a break when you reach saturation point.

      You’re amazing, Obs.

    • pronoia

      Take a nap or 2. A walk. See a movie. Whatever it takes to calm your beautiful spirit, And know that you are loved and honored.

    • KNMF

      Tom Padgett has been through the ringer. I started reading more about him and saw his sentencing video on Bunker’s youtube.

      When he recounted the story about standing with his family at a rally, and suddenly realizing his wife, the mother of the children at his side, had been effectively lobotomized by Scientology…that is heartbreaking, soul killing. And she eventually helps put him behind bars.

      More and more I’m in the forget-tom-cruise-camp. Scientology needs to be known for their special brand of hatred for truth and love, and for their war on the people who want truth and love in their lives. Scientology is not just predatory. It is also perverted and vengeful. The proverbial “wolf among sheep” label would be a step up for Scientology

    • Captain Howdy

      Obs, i have just gotten approval for a 2 week R&R for you. After that I’m sending in the S.P’s (Shore Patrol) in to roust you.

    • noseinabk

      When I was confronted by an angry neighbor I had left a note for, who,s dog had chased my daughter, and the terms leaderfag, ethics, and Sp went through my head? Time for break.

    • Missionary Kid

      I was so caught up in your post and shoop that I missed “Ron’s Abomination.” It’s now on the list, NICKNAMES FOR $CIETNOLOGY http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1144806355

      Rest, relax, take care of yourself and remember that we love you.

  • KNMF

    Good video from Swift & Karen.

    Scientology greed has a ripple effect.

    The cult’s inherent nature expedites accidents and disease. The dedicated membership gets it first and worst.

    [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/o6l2lt.jpg[/IMG]

  • WhamBham

    From Baby to Amax…

    Wow! amax i want to thank you for the part that you played in putting this event together #1

    I know that you said that you didn’t feel good.. That said. When I
    introduced myself to you you did not even look at me. You folded your
    arms and kept nodding your head aggressively from side to side. I don’t
    know what I could have possibly done to you that you would react in such
    a manner.

    Is it because I am from the Bunker? You were extremely rude and did not
    acknowledge the 3 of us during the course of the 3 days. We sat up
    chairs and took them down. When the pop machine leaked we cleaned it
    up.

    I personally asked you what needed to be done. I am absolutely confused.

    Of course we plan on protesting in CW. We were at the Super Power
    Opening. Yep, 4 of us from the Bunker. You did not . ” Feeble Attempts
    to pass yourself off as the Clearwater Chanology Cell will be
    considered a cancer and a lie.”

    That is just sad. I understand what you did in 2008. This is 2014. No
    One owns Anonymous. You say that Lutz and mockery of your feeble
    attempts will be delicious. ”

    You want us to fail? We are attempting to bring down this evil cult and
    to inform. I am so sorry that you feel this way. I have nothing more
    to say. There is nothing I can say. I am speechless at your
    ruthlessness.

    • Frodis73

      I want to see if this Amax person replies…it seems like this was her last post.

    • Sarah James

      From Sarah to Baby, I don’t know Laura but I know someone just like her. She is not your problem to fix. Walk away and don’t look back. If you try to help she will kick you in the teeth. She is 100% the person she want’s to be. If you had not been there she would have treated someone else just as badly. Baby, it was not any of you that provoked her behavior. Laura’s temper tantrum’s will spill out all over. I feel sorry for her husband.

      • Watergate

        Baby, Sarah is right about this. You can’t fix what ails her.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Agreed.

      • DeElizabethan

        Yep, Baby is absolutely right about the rude treatment. I would be an icicle if effected by her frozen glare and no words wthen head down, when I said hello. I don’t feel sorry for her husband as he was especially rude when I and friends walked in friendly and talking, demanding who we were twice when we didn’t snap to his attention, not knowing him. They do make a nice couple!

        • Sarah James

          So they are a pair? No, I do not feel sorry for him. But, it’s kinda fun to think they enjoy each other’s company. Well not really. Home sweet hell. I am almost ready to say…Scientology can help them with that but it sounds like they could teach David Miscavige a thing or two.

        • D.Y.G.

          Demanding to know who you were when it was supposed to be open to the public. That’s really something.

    • pronoia

      I wish I could say I am speechless at the rudeness. Sadly, I am not surprised.

    • aegerprimo

      amaX is RUDE!

      When I introduced myself to you you did not even look at me. You folded your
      arms and kept nodding your head aggressively from side to side.

    • Robert Eckert

      Advice I was given about such a person: remember, you only have to deal with her for a short time. She has to BE her, all the time.

      • noseinabk

        Exactly! After she posted a nasty comment calling out people for hanging out in the parking lot of the hall and taking pictures, her true nature was shown.

    • Baby

      Thank you Wham Bam.. I wish I could have written it here, but my computer at hotel wouldn’t let me.. xoox

  • i-Betty

    As mad as he sounds, L. Ron Hubbard Jr was a far, far better writer than his father.

    • Sherbet

      I guess resentment makes a good Muse.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Evidently!

        • Sherbet

          Resentment, anger, shame…you name it.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            That is really what came across in his reading….anger…..and the competition between father and son.
            Nibs hated his Father….
            But it felt like ..only because he knew he could never step beyond his black shadow….with an inky black shadow of his own.
            The creepy factor was unbelievable in this reading.

            • Sherbet

              I seemed to hear a bit of envy, too. Not that Nibs wanted to do all the same things, but that he knew he’d never have that kind of adulation, nor would he ever have lrh’s attention.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Absolutely!

            • i-Betty

              Yup, good point.

            • aegerprimo

              Yeah, you could FEEL the hate. Creepy.

            • Missionary Kid

              I disagree. with “..only because he knew he could never step beyond his black shadow…” Edit: rereading it, I took that to mean that he was very much in competition. For some reason, I didn’t see him viewing himself as competition, but as someone who tried to support his father, but couldn’t meet his father’s expectations that he be an extension of his inflated ego and hubris. Sr. probably

              He, like everyone else around lrh, was required to kowtow to his father. He also was the subject of lrh’s ego and a target for his anger, and probably the subject of Hubturd’s “research,” all nasty things to grow up with in a parent. lrh Sr. had very fixed ideas about children, all crazy-making.

              lrh, while he wanted to groom Ron jr. to succeed him, he also probably also treated him like he was a threat to his reign as the big cheese. Remember all the people that he kicked out who were just below him? He probably wanted Ron Jr. to be just like him, but treated Jr. like shit, because he was a different person without the avarice and self-centered hubris that made up his personality.

              I imagine that as Jr. grew older, he realized how much insincere mindfuck Sr. was engaging in, and chose not to be a part of it. Ron jr. was probably a decent person who got caught in his dad’s fair game towards anyone who left his sphere of influence.

    • Tipster

      Jr was trying to communicate, while LRH was trying to obfuscate

    • jeff

      According to Mr. Ortega, Nibs had “help”.

      • Sherbet

        I think he also had a hefty helping of whatever drug makes a person babble. Not drooling and sloppy, but blathering on and on and making some sort of weird sense.

        • jeff

          I think that’s cocaine, from what I’ve been told.

          • Sherbet

            That was my guess, too, but I’m the absolute wrong person to identify a drug.

        • Captain Howdy

          It was speed which was readily available back in his day. When he talks about “Pinks & Grays” he’s most likely talking about Dexedrine and Phenobarbital or Librium.

          Speed is much better than coke.

          • Sherbet

            And Captain Feelgood weighs in with his expertise! You’re right; I forgot that speed was fairly common back then, more so than cocaine.

          • jeff

            We were talking about Nibs, not LRH….Nibs had help writing a previous tome, according to Tony.

            • Sherbet

              I do agree that speed was more common, even in Nibs’ day.

            • Captain Howdy

              And from what I’ve read LRH had given Nibs Benzedrine.

            • jeff

              Oh….that’s kind of news to me…Jamie quoted Nibs as saying Elron gave him drugs, but I guess I just assumed they were the sedating variety.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        That is as simple as a transcriber. A recorder and a typist.
        Are they his thoughts and words?
        Curious……

        Some of his other statements suggest that is possible.

        • Sherbet

          There was a handful of us last night who thought Nibs writing sounded identical to Jamie’s writing. But if Tony says it was authenticated, then I’ll believe it was Nibs.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I think that was Jaime’s delivery. Go read that penthouse article one more time.

            Edit: and let me say this…..Jaime…is Hubbard through and through.
            I am not insulting him ….but, yeah…..

            • noseinabk

              Nibs repeated some of the same info in a tv show. He apeared fearless when confronting scions. (Can’t remember the show). Jaimie has this certain cadence in his retelling that makes it all sound like performance art, so I get what Sherb is saying.

            • Qbird
            • Elar Aitch

              I don’t think you are: he admitted as much himself

        • jeff

          I think Tony said Nibs wasn’t much of a writer.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Turd from Tilden: a Sea Ogler

  • aegerprimo

    Flag Down such an important event…. and Tony O added the video by Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine today where they take up the issue of environmental pollution by the Co$ and exposure to carcinogenic toxins of its staff (Sea Org).

    OMG! This is a passionate subject for me! I was there on the Freewinds when the blue asbestos was discovered during the renovations. I was working with Lawrie Woodcraft before the maiden voyage of 1988.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32871-The-Foul-Air-of-the-Freewinds-an-Ex-SO-Member’s-Story

    • Sherbet

      I agree that today’s video was compelling. I love Jeffrey Augustine’s presence in their videos.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    United Nations Climate Change Committee

    In order to properly plan for the coming climate change,
    policymakers rely on scientific estimates about how much warming can be
    expected this century. These estimates are based on 1) centuries old
    physics 2) historical data spanning hundreds of thousands of years and
    3) climate models which use well-understood physics and a wealth of
    actual observations. All three of these tell us that the planet will
    dangerously warm if humans keep emitting record amounts of heat-trapping
    gases.

    Certain activities which generate vast amounts of hot air have been shown to be exceedingly toxic to all life-forms.

    Accordingly, all books of Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (hereinafter referred to as El Wretch) must cease to be published and all utterances of his teachings (hereinafter referred to as dreck) in public places must cease.
    The Mini-Pope, Dildo Dave (hereinafter referred to as the Pompous Pustulance) will be prevailed upon through sanctions to cease and desist from opening his mouth.

    A reduction in hot air of this magnitude is expected to have a significant and valuable long-term effect on human well-being and the well-being of all carbon-based life-forms.

    • Missionary Kid

      I used “Pompous Pustulence” both for a dm nickname and lrh’s writing. Thanks. I’ll post it on both those lists.

      To summarize your post: to help in the environment, Co$ should STFU.

  • BeverlyHillsBeer

    What Marc Headley said, 7 months ago. Garcia v. Scientology Federal Fraud Lawsuit. Right to the solar plexus.

    “You can bet that there are a shit ton of scilons on here right now. There are people who were coerced into giving way more money than they could and those people are wishing they hadn’t. When we left the International headquarters in 2005, scientology had taken in 1 billion dollars for services they had yet to deliver. They were in debt for 1 billion dollars worth of stuff they had gotten the money for, but never delivered a service for.

    “To then find out that your money is been pissed away on luxury trips, and extravagances by Dave Miscavige so he can pal around with his movie star buddy, that makes a person angry. When scilons get angry, they get on the internet, and when they get on the internet they find The Underground Bunker, and when they find the Underground Bunker they leave Scientology. A lot of you are thinking they should just get DirecTV, and avoid all this. You’d be partially right. Because then they could watch all the “entheta” that gets covered each week by major networks and cable channels.

    “Really, they should just do something to expose what happened to them and move on. Number of scilons defecting right now is at an all time high. You have Scilons at Starbucks and other places reading the Bunker every chance they get. I have talked to a lot of these scilons. They want to leave. They are worried about their families. The silly part is that the families want to leave as well.

    “I have told this to a lot of people that want to leave. As long as you think scientology has power over you – they do. As soon as you realize that they are a tiny insignificant little cult, their imagined power diminishes rapidly and you become the one with the stacked deck.

    “The more people that rise up against these criminals, the faster people will start getting their money back and the cult will be broke.

    “So to all those scilons reading this today, grow a pair and get your family out of this mess before they start passing out the Kool-Aid.”

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Max? Is that you?

      • BeverlyHillsBeer

        I have mixed states Bury and I am trying my best to be at peace. Yes, ’tis. Been seeking anonymity and I just can’t find it. Alas. You guys were great! and Jamie rocked the house like awesome. I’m off to see the wizard and straighten out my online identity. :/

        • jeff

          Oh, there you are!

          • BeverlyHillsBeer

            you too much Jeff, set off a chain. thanks for asking. I just figure out how to chill. 🙂

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I sorry. I didn’t mean to out you I am tired. I will learn to STFU…er…eventually.

          • BeverlyHillsBeer

            no, it’s good. I wanted to break from the connections and free float/free style. But I can’t because the interactions occur and the connections are revealed. Your pictures and activity was great to follow. Then I see Jeff asked downthread, and comments ensued, and I realized I’d have to put a presence together in writing on here and come forth. While doing that I saw the Headley message and ‘had to’ share it. And then I saw Eclipse Girl had strayed and hadn’t been seen, which made me go, Yeah, right, Where’s E-G?!? and when I looked, her comments on messages to BHB had turned to “Guest”, which got me thinking of her. You guys were/are the best down there!!! All yous!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sorry for diming you out if you just wanted to ‘chill’ under a new name. But every time you create a new name you post a long ass introduction claiming to be a longtime lurker / brand new poster with some new backstory. Maybe try making a new acct and just start posting without lying about being a brand new person? It might work more better.

          • Robert Eckert

            Jimmy identified him long ago, back when I had him misidentified.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh cool. I feel bettah!

          • BeverlyHillsBeer

            g’night- and Next Year in Coral Gables! …. er, !Clearwater!

  • OTPR

    Is SP a contradiction on being at cause over life? By labeling someone a SP are we assigning them cause and we become an effect? That put you down the scale, does it?

    • Tipster

      Great point!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Don’t look for logic on something as stupid as the “tone scale”.
      It defies logic,….because it’s bullshit…cough, cough.

      Oh, you knew that!
      Carry on…..

  • Sherbet

    Battery is dying. See y’all tomorrow. Happy Mothers Day to all youse muthas.

    • DeElizabethan

      I’m just pooped out from the excitement, joy, meeting new friends, talking too much, and then catching up on all the threads and the news. Wow, what a week. Time to cash in those chips and get some real sleep for a change.
      Missed all of you in this great Bunker. Nite now. 🙂

      • Captain Howdy

        Dee! Dee! Dee!

        Tell us who you want terminated oh Wise One.

        • DeElizabethan

          OK, you caught me still up, dang!

          How about, just put out to pasture?

      • aegerprimo

        Thank you Dee !

      • Elar Aitch

        We were with you in spirit Dee.Some great photos

        • DeElizabethan

          Felt you there Elar! 🙂

  • 6d61726361626961

    It’s a common misconception that LRH was evil. He was merely a neoplatonist.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      He was one dude full of something all right!

      • Panopea Abrupta

        “He was, merely.”

        I would add “unfortunately.”

        I think the essence of the previous post is captured.

      • 6d61726361626961

        Neoplatonism is growing faster than you might think.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh. shut. It.

          Lol.
          So are fruitarians. ( and we all see how that worked out for Steve Jobs).

          • 6d61726361626961

            Meanie

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Muah! Night 😉

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Meanie!

        • Robert Eckert

          If by “neoplatonism” you mean whatever was wrong with Hubbard, it need to be stamped out immediately.

    • aegerprimo

      That statement does not make sense.

      Neoplatonism – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Neoplatonist

      • 6d61726361626961

        They didn’t reference Hubbard in that link

        • aegerprimo

          Vinay is that you?

          • 6d61726361626961

            I is not “vinay” tmi

    • Missionary Kid

      IMO, you’re making him much more sophisticated.than he was. He was not following any philosophy other than that his narcissistic desires should be met.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        MK, it is a flyby….

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks.

        • grundoon

          Naw, it’s our old puzzle-loving pal.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            So do you think the number he is using actually means something or is it a trick?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Nvm it’s just hex values for ‘marcabia’
              That wasn’t so difficult

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      What is that dull thudding noise?

      I better go check on the dishwasher.

      • 6d61726361626961

        That’s not unusual to fear things that are different

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          It’s growing fainter. Guess I don’t even need to get up.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        There is a faint musty smell, as if some exotic cheese has met death in uncomfortable and distressing circumstances.

        • aegerprimo

          Here, borrow mine (refresh)…

      • 6d61726361626961

        Give your dishwasher some privacy!

  • ShoopZ

    Off topic. Some new tweets.

    By the way, it looks like John Alex Wood may be reading my tweets after all. After I tweeted “Google ‘Scientology + Freewinds + asbestos’ and see what you get!” he tweeted a link to a cult website supposedly debunking the asbestos story.

    Anyway, refresh for some tweets from yesterday and today.

    • aegerprimo

      Fantastic! Don’t see where you put Google ‘Scientology + Freewinds + asbestos’ and see what you get!” in a tweet.

      Google ‘Scientologyt + Sea + Org + Slave + Labour’ – I love that!

      • ShoopZ

        I tweeted that on May 4 and he tweeted a response on the 7th.

        Refresh to see an overly-produced (can’t help it…just the way I am) depiction of the tweets.

        • MaxSpaceman

          1 to relish! So fine.

        • aegerprimo

          I love your “overly-produced depictions.”

    • Very nice work. Of course John Alex Wood reads your tweets, he has been made into a very reactive person after all his years as a victim of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.

      • ShoopZ

        “Of course John Alex Wood reads your tweets…”

        All the more surprising, then, that he hasn’t blocked me.

        • Robert Eckert

          Maybe he doesn’t even realize he can do that. Sometimes the ignorance of scientologists about how the Net works is astounding.

          • ShoopZ

            I don’t think that’s it. He has at least 2 Twitter accounts and he certainly knows how to tweet, retweet and post links to other sites like crazy.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              He doesn’t follow you, does he?

            • ShoopZ

              Nope

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              This might seem unpossible.. but what if he actually finds some of your tweets funny? Isn’t he supposed to be the #1 Biggest Monty Python fan in the galaxy? He must have a sense of humor and your replies are hilarious. Perhaps a few have permeated that hard clamshell of his and he gets a kick out of them.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Well, Besides for the ones that are simple truth rather than humor. I’m rethinking this idea already…

          • SOL

            Well, they don’t get much experience, from what I understand. It’s mainly just a churning cesspool of entheta.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: a tale from the Brothers Grim

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: the family that slays together stays together

    • Missionary Kid

      That was Manson.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Ex-$cilon

        • Missionary Kid

          I knew that, but he Manson far more toxic, and he wasn’t able to hide his hatred of society. Manson did the same as lrh: borrow from a bunch of different concepts and used them to fit his own agenda.

  • 6d61726361626961

    Scientology lacks guidance

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Oh bother.

      We’re reading fortune cookies tonight?

      You will be a guest at a party where strange customs will prevail.

    • Jo

      Scientology is not your usual Cherch they have a covert ‘preying’ department called OSA. The Church that ‘Preys together stays together’

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Your Lucky Number: 6d61726361626962

      Damn! So friggin close!

      • aegerprimo

        Ignore – NOT a lucky number.

      • aegerprimo

        It’s like a FedEx tracking number

        • 6d61726361626961

          No. it’s just a number that holds a lot of personal meaning to me

      • aegerprimo

        Vinaire like friend of Geir.

    • grundoon

      Marcabian Commander, nice to see you again! Welcome back!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: a tour-de-farce

    • Elar Aitch

      Do you tweet? You should. A daily $cientology is a……

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: You need to prey for that

  • 6d61726361626961

    How many times a day does a Sea Org member pray?

    • Missionary Kid

      You’ve got the number.

    • Elar Aitch

      Prayer is an implant

    • Techie

      Never. As a 25 year SO member I can attest to that. In Scientology there is no prayer to a higher power. There is no higher power, other than a vague idea of the “infinite”. Hubbard even said that to tell someone what to think about God etc. was the one unforgiveable sin. The closest thing to prayer in Scientology is called a “postulate” a very focused intention that something is happening (not a future wish). But even here you are not calling on a higher power, it is on your own spiritual power that you rely for success.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: Do you want asbestos with that?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: Do you want a gas-mask with that?

  • Fremdscham

    Hey Bunkerites! I haven’t posted in a long time (when I do it’s rare anyway). I just wanted to take a moment to thank all of you for NOT BEING CRUEL ELITIST ASSHOLES. I’ve been mesmerized, horrified, and fascinated by Flagdown speakers and absolutely confused and appalled over the, um, kerfuffel at the beginning. I couldn’t understand. Then I find that on WWP there is a lot of hatred towards some of my favorites: Karen, Rinder, WBM, Tory, and TO. A search through the derail thread was Just. Plain. Ugly. I’ve seen people snark, bag on each other, insult, and disagree here but cripes–the Bunker never hits that level of rotten. Ever. There is respect for others as human beings, compassion for what others have been through, and a sophistication of understanding here that not everyone is perfect, that people heal differently from trauma, and also that people handle duress in different ways. I found the answers I was looking for there (why the hate?) and found myself disgusted by ugly judgement, lack of compassion, understanding, what can only be petty jealousy, and more protest-y-than-thou-hipster-elitism. I am positive there are loads of good people over there doing good things. I don’t doubt that for one moment. But if you are like me and the curiosity was just killing you–I can assure you; even though their goals may be worthy–some people are just jerks. I honestly wish now that I hadn’t gone digging in what is literally a trash bin of nasty posts. I needs me some of that brain and eye bleach now. I think I’m going to stick with the Bunker for my Sci-fighting news. Newcomers are always welcome here. Fights may get mean sometimes but they are relatively rare and are usually settled or just abandoned in the interest of moving on. There is much humor, and a lot of warmth and loads of intelligence. I have a lot of viewing to catch up on, and tons of reading bookmarked. This has been a great week for more info.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Go away.

    • 6d61726361626961

      ..

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Wah wah wah, wah wah, wah wah.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Only kidding, welcome back. 🙂

    • noseinabk

      Unlike the 5 or 6 downvoters at wwp, I notice that most of the long term bunkerites do not hold petty grudges. Disagree and talk it out, is what happens here most of the time. I have no problem with differing views and have learned from them. This flag down BS (self proclaimed leader fag) is not reflective of most anons or bunkerite opinions.

    • Suppressive Tomato

      As a “never in” I am most impressed with the many long-time $cn survivors here. One may believe, in ignorance, that only the stupidest and most cowardly would get locked into the slavery of a cult, but you quickly learn reading these comments and the accounts given by many vocal survivors that these are highly intelligent people (even when undereducated by growing up in $cn). I am so thankful for the bravery of all of them who share their stories and fight this fight everyday. It is hard to believe that this pernicious organization is permitted to exist at all, let alone with tax-exempt status.

      • SP Wannabe

        I’m also a never-in, disabled so I can’t “protest” outside an org, and have always been warmly welcomed here. So, ditto every word you said, S.Tomato, and also Fremscham. +1000!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: a cure for low blood pressure

  • Suppressive Tomato

    Sorry if everyone already knows this, but an article posted on WWP suggests that deposition is imminent for COB in the Rathbun case: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Judge-to-Scientology-Leader-must-testify-in-5166735.php

    • Suppressive Tomato

      Old article … Never mind. Move along.

      • Missionary Kid

        Isn’t it amazing that the “move along” meme from Star Wars has taken hold of our language?

  • Lady Squash

    “People mistake L. Ron Hubbard and his Scientology. They see the apparency, and not the actuality. By design. Scientology does not work as stated; but as intended. As intended by its creator L Ron Hubbard. To keep the Doorway open. To remain in the realm of the Great Beast. To feed the hunger of the Will. His Will. When he emptied the purse of man and the heart of women; it seeks onward and outward. Appetite. Forever appetite.” Thank you Tony for the transcript. This part rang so TRUE. “Scientology does not work as stated; but as intended.” I used to say, yeah, Scientology works, but for whom. Scientology empties your purse and your heart of compassion, teaches you not to feel, not to think. But to always want more, to never be satisfied. Nibbs words are a jumble here and there but speak a profound TRUTH and really hits the nail on the head.

  • Lady Squash

    “Scientology is the snare. The passion flower. the Cloak of Lights. The glow of power. A power always wanting. Always needing. The Will never satisfied.” Nibs nailed it. Thank you Jamie for reading this at Flag Down. You rock.

  • DodoTheLaser

    With all the IAS knights, Clears and OTs, not a single one of them confronted the Flag Down SPs? Disappoint.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Too busy granting is-assness to themselves to grant as-isness to all them SPs

      Oiliness tables rule.
      Lets hear a warm round of applause for umbrella and sidewalk tech.

      • Missionary Kid

        The defensive moves by Co$ has them defining themselves in more ways than they can imagine.

        By isolating themselves, do they believe they are above the fray?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Is the queCedillo Tex Mex or more pure Mexican?

    Vaquera, somebody ..?

    I know I have trouble digesting it.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Hope you feel better soon. What’s in your avy, btw?

      • MaxSpaceman

        I was thinking of asking too, DtL, but I see it as out-of-the-shell Clams !!

    • Missionary Kid

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quesadilla

      I also discovered, when I looked it up in Wikipedia that sincronizada is considered a different dish, and not a quesadilla using tow tortillas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sincronizada instead of one folded over, according to Wikipedia.

  • Pierrot

    05/11 Sunday.Celebrate Mother’s day at the RED-X Tavern.
    Boston Clams Chowder, Tampa Fried Clams
    New on the menu *Moules & Frites” in Sacramanto
    The 7 remaining Boston Ads are hanging by a thread.
    Hurry! Who will bring them down?

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-80#post-2453105

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL
    1-866-XSEAORG
    Mother’s day or not, CALL your MOTHER.

    Ty AP

  • DodoTheLaser

    I hope this day will be full of meaningful conversations and humor. Also, sending my love to all mothers.

  • TDA1541A

    “Don’t change the word; change the definition of the word”

    -L ron Hubbard

    Said in this lecture

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf4gHpK4HSM

  • TDA1541A
    • MaxSpaceman

      No date. Must be 1954, this one – dontcha think? Phoenix. You see a date wherever you got it from?

      • TDA1541A

        WEBSITE: http://www.carolineletkeman.org/archives/233

        Newsletter: The Golden Dawn: An Invitation to Freedom

        January 1, 1954 by clerk
        Filed under Featured, Scientology scripture

        1 Comment

        Author: Hubbard, L. R.

        Document title: An Invitation to Freedom

        Document type: newsletter

        Publication: The Golden Dawn

        Publication date: 1954

        Publication issue: 1-0A

        Page(s): 1-2

        Description: Hubbard claims that the goal of freedom sought in Christianity is attained with Scientology.

  • TDA1541A

    Hubbard confessing mindcontrol and how it works like Jamie told about:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP376qIWyyg

    • TDA1541A
      • Eivol Ekdal

        The Doolittle raid did not use Rocket Assisted Take Off (RATO).

        • TDA1541A

          Thank you

        • Missionary Kid

          Believe it or not, but Dr. Goddard also worked on RATO as a part of the development team. Unfortunately, it appears that he was a much better rocket scientist when he headed up his own project..

  • TDA1541A

    “Fingers on the same fists” Jamie mentions

    Ronbots all of them

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPV0C91CHjY

    • midatlanticcoast

      The guy with the Barbie on his back looks much less ridiculous than the guy in the tie.

    • Sarah James

      Ronbot dear, you are in a cult.

  • AnonRedX
  • DodoTheLaser

    ..Life is like a shooting star
    It don’t matter who you are
    If you only run for cover, it’s just a waste of time..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBHmcORu4og

  • DodoTheLaser

    Is it Sunday yet?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Possible reasons for delay:

    1. Tony decided we had enough funny shit. Can’t blame him.
    2. I died and no one told me.
    3. Sunday Funnies are brewing.

    • midatlanticcoast

      If it’s no. 2, there must be a heaven because you can still read read the Bunker!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Oh good! No 4?

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “3. Epic Sunday Funnies are brewing.”

      So’s the coffee. Good morning, Dodo.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I like my coffee dark with 2 spoons of sugar.
        Good morning, Hillie.

    • Missionary Kid

      5. He does have another job.

      • DodoTheLaser

        True. But, so do most of us.

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe the other one pays better, and we’re addicted to this site, just waiting for our Bunker fix. 😉

    • Captain Howdy

      Tony’s overslept due to excessive celebrating after the Bruins crushed the Canadiens

  • Barbara Angel

    Slightly off topic: Good news from Sydney Aus, co$ plans to open a Narcon centre in New South Wales has been rejected Aussie, Aussie, Aussie Oi, Oi, Oi. co$ prematurely bought the property so they may not give up without a fight, but it’s the second refusal they’ve had here in Aus.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/scientologists-da-for-yarramalong-valley-drug-rehab-centre-rejected-20140511-zr9do.html

    • Missionary Kid

      Amen.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    New Post Up!
    You know the drill…
    TO-F5

  • Vinay Agarwala

    Extreme focus on overts and witholds is part of “Black Magic” technique. It is assuming that the person is basically evil. The auditor mistrusts the preclear that he won’r be looking at those things that would help erase the engram. This kind of mistrust is built into Scientology. This is highly evaluative.

    If a person wants to get better he would happily give up his overts and withholds. That happens regularly in Christian confessions.

    A person would not be able to give up his O/Ws only when they are not visible to him because there are other things on his mental stack that needs to be unloaded first, for example, his fear of being laughed at or ostracized. This ia taken care of easily with mindfulness approach.

    • Mooser

      “I find it interesting that I never felt a deep desire to do OT Levels. I
      was very comfortable with my case after completing lower grades. After
      that I was more interested in understanding the Scientology technology. I
      believe that I handled 90% of my case during my first 40 hours of
      Dianetics auditing.”

      Vinay Agarwala.

  • Vinay Agarwala

    The idea of hounding others about their responsibility is also part of Black magic technique. The person who is hounding another does not take a look at his own responsibility. He only blames others for their lack of responsibility.

    Look at the amount of blame that poured out of Hubbard about education, mental health, the society, etc. He didn’t put any dent in improving any of that. He was the source of all his reality. Where was his responsibility? He simply targeted others for his own lack.

    I am getting annoyed at words like overts, withholds, responsinbility, etc., as their prime function in Scientoilogy seems to be to make others wrong, to introvert them, so that one can control them.

  • Jon Atack

    The manuscript that Arnie has is probably One Tenth of One Percent of Scientology. I had the privilege of seeing the later and unpublished manuscript, last year. It incorporates parts of One Tenth, but goes much further. I was in touch with Nibs some thirty years ago, and, because I was fairly fresh out of Scientology and determined to be scrupulously fair, I dismissed many of his claims, because I could find no supporting evidence. I thought he was a chip off the old block and given to fabulism, so I used nothing that was unconfirmed in Let’s sell these people A Piece of Blue Sky.

    With time, my view has changed. I think that much of what Nibs had to say has a basis in truth. In the unpublished work, Nibs accuses his father of serial killing, drug running and taking up where Hitler left off, from the same magical conspirators. Some time ago, I spoke to the estimable Bent Corydon, on whose Messiah or Madman Nibs briefly collaborated. Bent had come to the conclusion that Nibs was truthful (save when he signed affidavits saying that he hadn’t been – but the pressure on him was unbearable. I found it hard enough surviving OSA, but the original GO treated Nibs viciously). This book should be made available, while there are still a few people living who can confirm or deny its content. Ultimately, Nibs said that his father was a Magus – a magician – who had opened to the door to Hell. I’m somewhat reserved in my supernaturalist beliefs, these days, but I think it is true that Hubbard believed himself the successor to Crowley as The Beast 666, who would bring the world under the dominion of the Scarlet Woman, the Antichrist. Fortunately, both this delusion and his belief that he was Metteya have proved groundless. The truth is that Hubbard was certainly the opposite of his public claims – he had no intention of helping people to think for themselves. Or to allow anyone to have any money for themselves. Or a spare moment. Scientology leads to distress in any walk of life…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you for this input. I am always learning and reevaluating. Yes, those who can speak, now is the time to get in touch.

      • i-Betty

        Thanks for the heads-up that Jon had posted here this morning 🙂

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Kinda reinforces what he said in “Admissions/Affirmations”
      http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2000-03-11.html
      “You need never expose or betray any secret God or your Guardian wants kept. You can be trusted with vast knowledge and never give it away or use it with express authority. What you know is riches. When you give away all you know, you are poor. You can give out exactly as much as God desires people to know. You never try to make an impression with what you know. You don’t care what people think of your mind. So long as you refrain from telling what you know, vast secrets can be entrusted to you with safety. You will guard your secrets.”

    • Mooser

      “I’m somewhat reserved in my supernaturalist beliefs, these days, but I
      think it is true that Hubbard believed himself the successor to Crowley
      as The Beast 666, who would bring the world under the dominion of the
      Scarlet Woman, the Antichrist. Fortunately, both this delusion and his
      belief that he was Metteya have proved groundless.”

      Whew! I was worried. I mean, what if he was The Beast 666?
      “The Beast 666”? Sounds like a mid-size chopper, if you ask me.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Make sure you order it with the hoochie mama package, so she has something “pretty” to wear while riding on the back.

    • Missionary Kid

      The irony is that earlier texts have been discovered which set the number of the beast at 616. Edit: I accidentally wrote 516.

    • D.Y.G.

      Poor Nibs. I think he told the truth as he believed it to be. That’s no easy task after spending his life with a pathological liar.

      • kemist

        Indeed.

        It must have been difficult at times to know what was real and what was not when living with such a person.

        Add to this a “tech” which IMO plays with perception of reality, and that the actual crimes committed by scientology are so outrageous it’s sometimes difficult to accept that this is what happened. Combine those things and you may well end with someone who is unable to distinguish reality from fantasy.

        Even Hubbard himself, despite being the author of the lies, had lost it at the end.

        • D.Y.G.

          I have a father who was diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder when I was in my 20s. He, like Hubbard, was a pathological liar, emotionally abusive, and and expert manipulator. There are times, not so frequent these days because I cut off contact and went to therapy, that I can spend hours going over events and things that he said trying to figure out what was true. Sometimes, or maybe most of the time, it’s just safer to assume everything is a lie.

          • D.Y.G.

            Also, I think it’s important to stress that children of disordered people often learn to behave in the same disordered ways in order to just survive in that type of household. If your parent is a manipulator and liar, chances are high you will manipulate and lie. You live the way you learn. It takes real resolve to overcome it, and I think most people would need professional help in order to do so.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s not, Jon. Nibs wrote One Tenth of One Percent in 1972 and is very different from what Jamie read aloud. This is something he wrote in 1981, and has a very different tone.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        This is the text? Does this mean it was published in 1982 and hardcopies exist or does it simply mean the manuscript was copyrighted then?

        “The Telling of me”

        Type of Work: Non-dramatic literary work

        Registration Number / Date: TXu000085797 / 1982-01-07

        Date of Creation: 1981

        Title: The Telling of me / by me, Lucubratio (Ron DeWolf) [a.k.a. Lafayette Ronald Hubbard 3d]

        Copyright Claimant: Ron DeWolf

        • richelieu jr

          “Lucabratio sleeps with the fishes…”

        • OrangySky

          You can register a copyright with the US gov before a work is published. But if this is still what’s on register with the Fed, then it means he still holds the copyright, unless there is an addendum with the transfer info on it.

  • When I wrote letters for Celebrity Centre I would hear from people that never replied to others. One of them was Katie Hubbard Gillespie who as I recall at the time lived near or in No. Hollywood. It freaked out Yvonne Jentzsch that Katie got in touch. Now I’m reminded why. Those older kids sure knew a lot of crazy stuff. The key line in Nibs’ words is: “I listen with hypnotic fascination.” That’s really the main thing Elwrong had going – hypnotism. It’s still what keeps the “faithful” there, and all $cientology events have always been, more or less, hypnotic ritual, replete with the standing and applauding of dead Hubbard. As for Scarlet Women and that crap, Hubtoad was obsessed with sex and lied about it. He craved John McMaster, who wouldn’t sleep with him. Same with Yvonne Jentzsch. I think Nibs swallowed a bunch of lies about Limpdick Elwrong and the ladies.

  • Amovolare

    Ssshhh, dont tell anyone but i seemed to see MB in a pic at flag down….
    I’ve been away a couple of days so i may have missed something and 4000 plus comment are quite a number to dig in.
    I’ totally happy with that pic as I find all the people are at the right place now.
    End of drama?
    Ciao

  • mpl

    EVIL.

  • ajrfd

    I’m going to take a shot here; I’ve read the posts. I was stalked by Scientology while living and working in Clearwater. To be short, I didn’t own a car and relied on PSTA. One really bad day while waiting for the bus after work I was approached by a group of men in white shirts and black ties; I had no Idea who they were. They each held clipboards with questionaires on them that I could see. They were asking me really weird questions about my sex life and I was very uncomfortable. The bus started loading and these guys were holding me up which meant they were holding the line of passengers up. The bus driver noticed and screamed at these guys to let me board. The guys actually went away and I was then free to board the bus. I thanked the bus driver and he replied, “Don’t ever talk to those people again”. Okay then, right? Well, I moved to St. Petersburg where a Scientology storefront is located across from the bus depot. Not one of the white shirted and black tied men ever approaced me. I had no idea when I lived in Clearwater that is who these guys were that approached me that day at the bus depot, but I was shocked they didn’t approach me in St. Petersburg. I always got weird vibes from the bus stop people and did not want to talk to them. There are also many people dressed similarly, men in ties and women in slacks and white shirts, that parade around Clearwater. I find them freaky.and believe I am very fortunate to not have been pulled into their grasp. Thank you Route 60 bus driver for making them go away, and thank you Jamie for telling your story.

  • Joel Bruner

    “The Sacred Magic Of Abra-Melin, has a passage that really stands out as the complete opposite of what LRH did with Scientology!

    “Thou shalt in no way use this Sacred Science to offend the Great God, and to work ill unto thy neighbour; thou shalt communicate it unto no living person whom thou dost not thoroughly know by long practice and conversation, examining well whether such a person really intendeth to work for the Good or for the Evil. And if thou shalt wish to grant it unto him, thou shalt well observe and punctually, the same fashion and manner, which I have made use of with thee. And if thou doest otherwise, he who shall receive it shall draw no fruit therefrom. Keep thyself as thou wouldst from a Serpent from selling this Science, and from making merchandise of it; because the Grace of the Lord is given unto us free and gratis, and we ought in no wise to sell the same.”

    It might have worked for a while but the final consequence is you die in hiding and your creation slowly implodes (taking people and their money with it)