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We asked David Miscavige’s tailor for his exact height — and here’s what he told us!

Claudio and Renata Lugli

Claudio and Renata Lugli

Last year, we were fortunate enough to find ourselves in northern Italy at a lovely time of year. We made a jaunt to Venice. We strolled through Milan. We even happened to catch the final day of professional cycling’s Tour of Italy — Giro d’Italia — in the city of Brescia.

And while we were in that town, we made a pilgrimage.

We stopped by to meet Claudio and Renata Lugli, parents to Tiziano Lugli, the well-known Los Angeles ex-Scientologist who tends to get mistaken for Tom Cruise by tabloid media.

Claudio and Renata are fascinating people who have been active as “Independent Scientologists” in Europe. Like so many others, they were longtime members of the church who were embittered by decisions made by Scientology leader David Miscavige.

But the Luglis were especially interesting, because for many years, they had been personal tailors to Miscavige, his wife Shelly, and other members of Scientology’s top circles. We enjoyed hearing stories about what it was like to make uniforms for Scientology’s leaders, and we brought back amazing photographs of Shelly that we have made public here at the Bunker.

And then, recently, it dawned on us. Claudio could clear up, with authority, one of those questions that tends to come up again and again in discussions about Scientology and its controversial leader. What, exactly, is his height?

That question tends to get asked because it’s hard not to notice that the man who turns 54 at the end of this month and who has run Scientology since the late 1980s is not a tall man. In fact, in photographs, he tends to be dwarfed by his best friend Tom Cruise, who is also not known for his stature.

But judging height is a tricky business. So we reached out to Claudio, who used to measure the man for suits. How tall, exactly, is David Miscavige? If anyone would know, it was his tailor.

This week, we got a reply. We were a bit stunned, so we thought we’d take a snapshot of Claudio’s response, as it appeared in his e-mail…

 
155atMax2

 
What Claudio is telling us is that David Miscavige is “at max,” 1.55 meters tall, or 155 centimeters.

A quick calculation translates to 5 feet, one inch.

Well, that’s not very tall. But remember, Miscavige has run Scientology for nearly 30 years, and that certainly takes constitutional fortitude, if not vertical span.

 
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Laura DeCrescenzo asks for a new judge

We have to admit that we’re pretty puzzled about this development. If you’ve been following our coverage, you know that Laura DeCrescenzo won a huge victory in her forced-abortion lawsuit against Scientology in October. We were in the courtroom of Los Angeles Superior Court judge Ronald Sohigian when he denied Scientology’s motion for summary judgment and then set a trial for early 2015. But then, Sohigian announced his retirement, and the case was assigned to Judge Rafael Ongkeko. Scientology then filed a peremptory objection to Ongkeko, which it has the right to do, and so the case was then assigned to Robert L. Hess.

Attorney Graham Berry reminded us that we know of Judge Hess. Back in 2002, we reported a story about the Larry Wollersheim saga finally coming to a close when Judge Hess fended off Scienotology’s objections and scheduled an evidentiary hearing, 26 years after Wollersheim had originally won a huge judgment against the church. In that hearing, Wollersheim’s attorneys were itching to enter evidence that would challenge the corporate structure of Scientology, evidence that looked explosive. Instead, the morning of that hearing, Scientology showed up with a check for nearly $9 million to make the case go away — even though for decades it had vowed never to give “one thin dime for Wollersheim.” It was a stunning surrender, and we wrote up the entire thing for the Voice years later.

Berry pointed out to us that as far as the judge lottery was concerned, Laura seemed to have hit the jackpot.

So we are wondering at her attorney John Blumberg’s decision to file an objection to Hess, which will be automatically granted. Rather than take Hess, Laura’s team has elected to roll the dice.

It’s easy, of course, to second-guess Blumberg, who no doubt has experience with Hess and, for some reason, thinks Laura could do better. So now, we’ll just have to wait to see where the fickle finger of fate points next.

Here’s the document Blumberg filed…

 

DeCrescenzo vs Scientology: DeCrescenzo Challenge to Hess

 
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Jeff Harris won’t give up the class action

We haven’t spoken with Atlanta attorney Jeff Harris since a federal court dismissed the class action he filed on behalf of seven former patients of Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon. It was an ambitious lawsuit, aimed not only at the local Narconon facility but also Scientology itself. We had heard that Harris would be appealing the court’s decision. Our legal experts told us that although Judge Steve C. Jones seemed harsh in his dismissal, the grounds seemed to be mostly technical in nature. Anyway, we noticed that Harris has filed a notice of appeal, and we’re interested in seeing what brief he subsequently files. For now, here’s the notice of appeal.

 
And in the Garcia case…

And one more bit of legal news. Judge James Whittemore, who has proven himself to be a stickler for the rules, asked Luis and Rocio Garcia to refile their recent motion in which they asked to file an amended complaint after dropping three defendants in the lawsuit. They have five days to resubmit the motion, along with the amended complaint they propose to file. Here’s the judge’s order.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 3, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Dee Fogger

    I know it’s outdated but at one time being 4’10” or under was considered dwarfism. Wee Davey missed it by only 3 inches! I’m convinced he has a Napoleon complex. Being 5’11” I’ve worked with more than one short man who had trouble dealing with tall people, especially women. Short, nasty and angry is no way live. It sucks to be Miscavige. I love how pissed off he’s going to be that this is out.

    • Eclipse-girl

      As much as there is a good deal of shadenfreude, i feel sad for those who be beaten

      • aegerprimo

        If you are a Sea Org member and you just read that…. GET OUT NOW!
        Call 1-866-X-SeaOrg for help.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    According to tall assholes, I have small man syndrome.

    They’re always like, “Why do you look so pissed off?”

    Because I’m five foot 1, and if I look upward at another guy and I don’t look pissed off, it looks like I’m in love with him!

    – not a Miscavige quote (but could be)

    – attributed to Chris Gaskin (comedian)

    P.S. Ok, that was my last reference to being short for today. I promise… I think… I hope…

    Will. Break. My. Own. Fingers. If. I. Have. To.
    Must. Post. About. Laura’s case.

    Rumor has it Tony posted something other than Miscavige’s height but with all the J&D in the Bunker today, I can’t seem to remember what that is.

  • Is this the rule mentioned in the Garcia case?

    http://www.flmd.uscourts.gov/forms/usdc-mdfl-localrules12-2009.pdf

    (g) Before filing any motion in a civil case, except a motion for injunctive relief, for

    judgment on the pleadings, for summary judgment, to dismiss or to permit maintenance of a class

    action, to dismiss for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, or to involuntarily

    dismiss an action, the moving party shall confer with counsel for the opposing party in a good faith

    effort to resolve the issues raised by the motion, and shall file with the motion a statement (1)

    certifying that the moving counsel has conferred with opposing counsel and (2) stating whether

    counsel agree on the resolution of the motion. A certification to the effect that opposing counsel

    was unavailable for a conference before filing a motion is insufficient to satisfy the parties’ obligation

    to confer. The moving party retains the duty to contact opposing counsel expeditiously after filing

  • ShoopZ

    Amazing scientific and spiritual breakthrough! (refresh)

  • AKS

    Eagerly awaiting the day that two of the burlier disgruntled Scilons simply pick up Wee Davey and whimsically toss him out of the compound. Maybe they could get a game of volleyball going over one of those fences where the razor wire is strangely pointed TOWARD the compound.

  • media_lush

    came across a rare pic of Cruise and Katie when he wasn’t wearing his lifts and Miscavige with Karin Pouw..

    • SvenBoogie

      Obvious photoshop job.

      No way he’s that tall.

      • 1subgenius

        Good, because I did not expect that.
        Anything that you can predict, conveys no information to you.
        And also would rarely be humorous.
        I am so glad I walked in just now, and just happened to see your post.

    • 1subgenius

      I was going to avoid “going there”, but wth (what the heck):
      First up (original shoop mine, you’re welcome), Cowboy Bob, and Howdy Davey:

      • SvenBoogie

        Needs LRH shooped in for the other face =P

      • Missionary Kid

        Regardless of who or what you shoop his picture into, it’s an insult to the object. Poor Howdy!

        • Eclipse-girl

          In this case, Poor Cowboy Bob

          • Missionary Kid

            Snortle.

          • Espiando

            Buffalo Bob, thank you.

            • Eclipse-girl

              My sincere apologies. This predates me.

    • Baby

      hahahahahhahaha OMG … Can’t breathe

    • Disaffected

      Made me laugh out loud :D!

  • IBBy

    I cant say I mind a man who is shorter than me. My gent is a couple inches shorter and I’m not really bothered.

    I will say however, that Napoleon Mismanage preening about like hes at LEAST 5’3 is giggle worthy

  • SvenBoogie

    Well, uh, our lord and savior DM is cause and all, so, clearly this is the height he chooses to be… and stuff…

  • media_lush

    some new PR guff on Travolta’s charity… http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1829778 … supported by Clearwater dentists….

    • Satansthetan

      Is it just the same old sauna and niacin chicanery?

      • ze moo

        Yes, the ‘purif’ for firemen. It shows an astounding lack of understanding about how toxic chemicals get out of the human body. But it is a paid for pr release story, not anything any one should take seriously. The Clearwater dentists probably paid for the write up and its placement. But they still have to make their IAS payments. Travolta and Cruise need to be held accountable for their support of this false medical procedure.

        • Satansthetan

          Thx!

    • aegerprimo

      GRRRR! Scientologist charity = a front to get people to use Scientology “tech” and ruin their health or mental capacity.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Calling the Red Xers…
    Have you Flagged today?

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-70#post-2441929

    Have you taken the time to write a counter ad?

    • Eclipse-girl

      safe

    • aegerprimo

      RED X Brigade… if you do not have time to do all the flagging, concentrate on Boston. Lots of new ads there.

    • Disaffected

      Jups, did my flagging hours 🙂

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Why the heck is everyone picking on DM’s height? He IS taller than 0.2% of the male population 45-54:

    http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/230_cumulative_percent_distribution_of_population_by.html

    • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

      Realizing that Cobby is an inch smaller than Mickey Rooney really brought it home for me.

      • 1subgenius

        Shorter than Mickey, but with no sense of humor. (Oh Mickey, we miss you…..you are dead, right?)
        “Humor is the one thing cults can’t stand” (Enturbulator 009)

        • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

          Nope. He’s 93.

          • Baby

            Damnit I could swear he was 93

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              Bwa-hahaha

            • Baby

              I just couldn’t resist.. I just couldn’t Texas..

        • Missionary Kid

          Mickey is still kicking. He’s 93.

          • 1subgenius

            That would be an “ooops” and why I asked. And “God bless him.”
            Holy shi—-
            There’s some information in his DNA, there is.
            As Marley would say, “Half the story has never been told.”
            They don’t make them like Mickey anymore.

            • Missionary Kid

              For several years, (1939, 1940, and 1941) he was the biggest Hollywood star, and he could sing, dance, and act.
              http://mickeyrooney.com/

        • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

          Forgive me if this is already common bunker knowledge. I found it interesting:

          In 1975, Rooney was an active member of the Church of Religious Science, a New Thought group founded by Ernest Holmes. Rooney’s oldest child, Mickey Rooney, Jr., is a born-again Christian, and has an evangelical ministry in Hemet, California.”
          -Wikipedia (for what it’s worth)

  • 1subgenius

    Karen Pouw (a big-boned girl in her own right) has released a statement in response to Tony’s article about Miscavige’s height.
    “Blah, blah, blah…….bitter apostates, bloggers, fringes,….etc., etc., etc., …….and as you can see Mr., Sir, His Whatever, is an enormous man spiritually, and physically, towering over mere mortals, etc.”
    (“Refresh” to see pictorial evidence)

    • SvenBoogie

      adding “but I have to go, someone stepped on him again.”

      • nosce

        Can Karen use one of these?

        • aegerprimo

          I might use that for the RED-X Brigade…

      • nosce

        No Way!! Someone photoshopped that!

    • aegerprimo

      Only in Dire Malcontent’s dreams!

      • 1subgenius

        Stretching it.

        • aegerprimo

          Your snark has reached new heights today Genius!

          • 1subgenius

            Three words: lime infused gin.
            You’re welcome, watch for it the the “Style” section of this Sunday’s New York Times.

      • Missionary Kid
        • 1subgenius

          But why?
          Its weak and meaninglessly confusing.
          Are there no standards?
          If I call him “Doofus Minorus” do I get on “the list”?
          Or, “Dibble Mubublia”?
          Since you are the list keeper, what is/are the criteria? Is it just about the numbers?
          If so, please add those two.
          (I’ll likely delete this snarky post soon, unless you take this well.)

          • Missionary Kid

            Standards? Who’s got standards? It’s all about what strikes me as clever or funny or appropriate. Doofus Minorus fits, and IT’S THE 750th NICKNAME I’ll update the list by tomorrow Dibble Mubublia doesn’t make any sense to me, so I didn’t add it.

            DAVID MI$CAVIGE NICKNAMES: http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1142337863

            • 1subgenius

              Cool. And “Dire Malcontent” does.
              OK, now I know.
              (From one cranky old man to another)

            • Baby

              I will drink to that.. While the women are nothin but sweet!

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              Cheers to you, Baby-o!

            • Baby

              Girls Rule, Boys Drool..

            • 1subgenius

              Especially you.
              See you later. Same place and time, right?

            • Baby

              Yep.. I’ll bring the Salsa Music Cowboy.. Awww I am sweet.. I am I am

            • 1subgenius

              Did you say salsa country?
              Excuse the horrible capture, but someone got it: dwight yoakam and flaco jimenez live doing “Streets of Bakersfield.” bless them

              “You don’t know me, but you don’t like me
              Say you care less how I feel
              How many of you who sit and judge me
              Ever walked
              The Streets of Bakersfield?”

              I can’t express how much that means to me.

            • Baby

              No you and I Salsa dancing..

              Cowboy!

            • 1subgenius

              I actually took lessons in anticipation of this moment.
              Man, its harder than sex!
              But then that’s why Baptists don’t allow sex standing up.
              It might lead to dancing.

            • Baby

              hahahhaha .. When I DO dance I do the 1965 shuffle.. The same step I’ve been doing since High School Prom. ( Although I don’t remember dancing.. )

              I do remember being in the back seat of a 1957 Chevy though..

            • Captain Howdy

              Y’all wanna stay out of Bakersfield unless you like cowboy boot tattoos on yer face.

            • Missionary Kid

              My standards are truly subjective. I’ve had one or two complaints about the obscene nature of some of them, but not from long-time bunkaroos, and occasionally an objection because the nickname is attached to someone or something that a person likes. I’ve also stolen form other sources, like Rinder’s blog and ESMB.

              When I started, I thought there might be two hundred or so. dm just brings it out in people. He did, indeed, pull all of them in.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              In that case….can I suggest the “Teratogenic Tyrant”?

            • Missionary Kid

              I had to look that one up, but it’ll be on the list tomorrow. Good one. DAVID MI$CAVIGE NICKNAMES: http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1142337863

      • You mean Dildoh Mcmidget’s dreams

    • 1subgenius

      OMG he’s HUGE!

  • Marple-Newtown Senior High School Class of 1978 . . . musta been tough on the little fella

    (H/T: FreekE420)

    • 1subgenius

      A classic.

  • 1subgenius

    Ya’ll gotta stop with the short jokes. Really.
    It got little sailor boy a gig modelling for a line of toys.
    They call them “Miss Cabbage Patch Dolls”.

    • SvenBoogie

      I was actually surprised to see Tony post this to be honest. It seems like a cheap shot, and there is so much of actual substance to take lil’ davey sociopath to task for that this seems like a waste. Most importantly, it just seems like something the cult can use to say “see, look how bitter and petty our critics are, all they can do is make fun of our appearances…”

      • 1subgenius

        Sure they can, and will. But who the hell cares what they do?
        (They’re really f—ed up, you know that, right?)

      • Baby

        Sven.. The names that Tampon called his staff.. YSCOHB and laughed behind Cruise’s back with his file in hand for Entertainment..All the abuse suffered at his hands. ..Disconnection ..

        One thing I give a shit about is how they talk about us ..

        • Baby

          I love this one.. LOVE it..

          • 1subgenius

            I actually laughed out loud, as opposed to LOL’d.
            And I laughed again, just now.
            Can’t stop watching.
            (He’s so done.)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I thought you would have seen the whole one.
              It has three munchkins. I think they are Tommy Davis, Mini Me, and the Source (that almost became Souse)

            • Baby

              If I knew how to do it E I would find it.. but alas I am stupid with tech!

            • Eclipse-girl

              So would I. I think it is available at WWP, somewhere.

            • Baby

              It is ; /

            • Observer

              I cannot stop laughing at Souse

            • Eclipse-girl

              Maybe that should be a new some for flippity flappity lips.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Maybe that should be a new name for flippity flappity lips.

            • aegerprimo

              Flippity Flappity Lips is funnier, yet just as true.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That has already made it into Mish Kid’s lists. I think it was my first contribution

            • aegerprimo

              Do you mean this one with the Three Stooges?

              http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9852/hubbardmiscavagestoog4vm7.gif

            • Eclipse-girl

              Nice one, but there is another that I am speaking of.

              I know it has Tommy Davis and Mini Me as two of the three lollipop kids. I thought the fat one was the third.

            • aegerprimo
            • Eclipse-girl

              It was a GIF (an animation)
              But do not kill yourself looking for it.
              You do so much for us,

            • aegerprimo

              I am usually fast at finding it, if I have seen it. I guess maybe I have a bit of a photographic memory ability. But alas, I have not seen the one you are describing.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have no desire to start going down that rabbit hole, right now. I may in a few days.
              Thank you for your help.

            • Baby

              I have never written LOL .. other than telling others I don’t type LOL..

              It’s too Lame for my Game.

      • NOLAGirl

        Tony generally takes the high road, but with all the s*#t he’s put up with from Davey and his minions, I’m happy to give him a pass on one cheap shot. And as it’s nice for Bunkerites to have a day of J&D. We’re constantly reading things that are just heartbreaking, a little light-hearted banter helps lighten the emotional load from time to time.

        • 1subgenius

          Sven be a noob or trollin’.

          • NOLAGirl

            We should be at the bar. It feels like a martini evening.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have been slowing sipping for 30 mins, now

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I have not sipped slowly, and I am on number four.
              Yummy.

              Note: It is only yummy because of the Clamato juice and lime.
              Bud light sucks without it…………..just sayin.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I was going to write back about four STUPID drinks, but then read the rest of your comment.

              My dear friends, keep COCKTAILS = STUPID DRINKS to two at most if you have to get up in the morning, or be productive the next day.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m having a double rot gut PJ Brisk pink lemonade mixer in a $20 dollar heavy crystal wine glass I found in the trash..unused, still in the box. Cheers!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              “$20 dollar heavy crystal wine glass I found in the trash..unused, still in the box.”

              ^^^ this right here sums up why I love you so much!!!!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              Likewise, fer sure.

            • aegerprimo

              Dumpster diving is a very valid talent.

          • Missionary Kid

            Noob. He’s generally been a pretty good commenter.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Sven is no noob.
              He has just been MIA…for like, ever!!!

              Edit……..sorry………I should read everything before popping off…..but then, you all know that will NEVER happen……….hehehe

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I put an edit on my post.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              LOL, ditto!

            • SvenBoogie

              I wasn’t around for quite a while, due to a number of factors that I won’t go into, but part of it was I didn’t find out Tony had started a new blog after stopping over at the voice for a long while.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh my gosh? You missed our mass panic attack and precision flight to a temporary home while we waited for Dad to get back to work!!!

              Glad to see you back.

          • Captain Howdy

            Swen is an old timer who disappeared a while back. I seem to remember he had a tendency towards testiness at times. Fine commentator otherwise.

            • SvenBoogie

              Personality testiness! HAHAHAHA…. uh… I need more coffee…

          • SvenBoogie

            Hardly trolling, just saying I think it hands the cult an easy story to pull out of the context of Tony’s work and paint the entirety of $ci critics as petty, etc.

            • NOLAGirl

              Completely see your point Sven, but it wouldn’t matter what we said, they’d still call us misinformed, unemployed fringe bloggers so…let me make you a drink, fix you a bowl of alligator sauce piquante and hear your best “short dictator” joke. 😀

            • SvenBoogie

              Fair enough, carry on… =P

            • Eclipse-girl

              I see what you mean. But critics of Tony’s are going to do that regardless of the articles.

              I see this as a morale builder for the bunker.
              There need to be “fun days” every once in a while.

              I don’t partake in fat shaming Krusty
              I don’t partake in making fun of John Travolta’s newest hair style
              I don’t partake in making fun of Tom Cruise’s altitudinal challenges.
              (Though he was miscast as Jack Reacher.)

              I do partake in poking David. Why?

              It is known that David gets really angry when others make fun of him.
              That in itself is reason enough.

              The second reason is that most people learn to be able to take some teasing, and laugh at themselves. One should not take them self too seriously.
              Clearly David does take himself too seriously.

      • Jimmy3

        For the purposes of J&D, today’s post might be considered low-hanging fruit. But that’s great, because Miscavige might be able to reach it.

      • Disaffected

        He if wasn’t such a Delirious Macrologist we would never make fun of his Micro Stature. Lulz eases up tension.

        • Missionary Kid
          • Disaffected

            It would be even more lulzy if we could send this list some how to shorty. The look on his face would be priceless to me while he scrolled through the list 😉 MOAREEEE Scotch Lou!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              He probably already knows about it and the other lists. I doubt if he’d spend much time looking at it. After all, it’s entheta.

            • Disaffected

              Hahah, yeah you are probably right, but with Davey one never knows. Ill send him a nice letter when he needs to kill some time in state penitentiary.

      • aegerprimo

        Tony also knows what headline is going to draw readers. His article today, sure he has dox to support COB’s extreme lack of physical height, BUT what do you see below that? SERIOUS info about Co$ court cases; DeCrescenzo case, Garcia case, and Jeff Harris class action suit.

        Tony is a VERY clever reporter. He takes us for a helluva ride, and we trust him.

        Take a chill pill Sven. Sit back and relax.

    • Farthingale

      “Miss Cabbage” is my favorite nickname. It is SO disrespectful.

  • cdub

    It’s hard to believe home much space gets devoted to his height. Seriously I’ve wondered too., so thanks to Tony for clearing this up. Remember he’s shrinking too as he gets older!

    The one single thing that I always look for in all these postings is their income. In my experience that’s the only stat that matters to them and so it’s the only stat that matters to me. Legal battles, science fiction religion, celebrities, membership — they all fall way behind income in importance to them. I realize it’s one of the hardest to track but for years it’s the one I pay attention to most whenever it comes up, which isn’t enough for me. Even before the Internet when the things I read were documents copied and passed around hand-to-hand, it’s what I looked for the most. Here at Tony O., Rinder, John P, esmb, I always read carefully when it gets mentioned. For never-ins there may seem like a lot of competition for the most important thing in a staff member’s universe but come Thursday afternoon, after our own individual stat, whatever that may be, income, or CGI “corrected gross income”, was what we lived and died by.
    I think identifying the whales last week is a big step in cutting the money flow to them because as exciting as it probably is for a rich person to dabble in fantasy cults it’s got to hurt when they get asked about it in the real world. The top tier celebrities, I’m sure if there donations ever leaked out it would make headlines all over.

    Some of those numbers I saw recently from some Valley center or whatever were pathetic and I laughed and laughed. I like to imagine a worldwide income stat that’s fallen so low they have to redraw the graph.
    (thanks, my rant for the day)

    • Farthingale

      This raises a question I’ve asked myself as I watch expose documentaries–it seems a fact that the total number of SOC members is quite low–if this is true where is all the money coming from?

      My other questions are about real estate acquisition–what is the purpose of holding so many unused properties? What kind of a financial strategy is that?

      And if the US Government is unable to shut down the COS for fraud, or human rights abuse, I wonder if racketeering charges would stick.

      Thank you for patience with my ignorance.

      • Missionary Kid

        Apparently, the whales are what are supporting Davy as well as some of the orgs.

        We’ve been guessing about his financial strategy. I think he’s just painting the deck chairs on the Titanic to keep up appearances by setting up the ideal orgs.

        • Farthingale

          I suppose each empty property is an option For a future base of operations if he must eventually leave the US.

          • cdub

            Especially the international big properties. Yes indeed. Now that’s a strategy. An exit strategy!

        • Disaffected

          As the financial dealings of the corporation is not transparent (under religious cloak) we don’t really know for sure how much more sources of income they have. When tubby died, he left over a half a billion to the “church”. The interest revenue alone of that initial sum is quite considerable. But of course they went a head and created the IAS, that flooded the money pot even higher. Then, I suspect, they are probably engaged in stocks/bonds etc. Maybe they even get money of some Big pharma (as once Ely Lily did to make them shut up) and who knows what more rackets they are engaged in. I don’t think only the Whales account for all the cash. Orgs nowadays don’t send too much money to Flag. They cant sell the services that brings in lots of cash with minimum effort, like auditing, cuz, well, endless redo’s etc etc… that GAGI, GAK, GAGII.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’d point you to John P. Capitalist’s blog at http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/ he’s done extensive financial analysis on the finances of Co$, and he seems to be pretty accurate.

            • Disaffected

              Thanks, gonna check that one out now. John P is very thorough in his analysis.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I have no effing idea of the income or of the expenses which Davey drives to minimize.

            That is one reason why I find John P’s comments and semi-active blog fascinating,
            If you have the time, you might take a look at all of John P’s blog posts.

          • cdub

            When it comes to sources of income there is nothing they won’t stoop to. Nothing. And that takes them far, far, far outside the law.

      • cdub

        1. WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM? Whales and reserves I think.
        2. FINANCIAL STRATEGY? Again my humble opinion, there is NO financial strategy. DM runs everything and he is not a bean counter by trade.
        3. US GOV’T. You know I was just thinking yesterday after reading more legal stuff here that only the federal government can get them under control. They’ve got the states wrapped up in legal quicksand.
        4. IGNORANCE. You’re better off, believe me. My wife was exploring some mystical system for growing vegetables and things and wanted my advice because, well, you know, just because. I said DO NOT go for the depth. Instead just skim the surface for what you want. Ignorance is bliss in this case cuz the truth ain’t worth you time and energy. The truth being a mountain of rubbish.

        • Farthingale

          Thank you–solid answers. Since my ignorance is deep I’m trying to see the BIG picture–not much luck.

          • Missionary Kid

            Welcome to the rabbit hole. There’s so much information here, and there’s never any direct comments from $cientology.

            • Farthingale

              Thank you–a lot to read, and plenty of thoughtful opinion, which I enjoy.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re gonna need this dictionary for all of the acronyms, and $cion terms: http://www.xenu.net/archive/dictionary/

            • Farthingale

              I’m very proud to have already acquired YSCOHB! Win!

            • Missionary Kid

              That isn’t in that dictionary, nor is YSYSYS, and some other esleaziastical sayings of his.

            • Farthingale

              I’m a prodigy.

            • Missionary Kid

              I am… at the age of 69.

            • NOLAGirl

              If you haven’t seen John Sweeney’s documentaries for Panorama (BBC) from 2007 and his follow up in 2010 you’ll want to add those to your list. Both are available in full on YouTube.

            • Farthingale

              Finished the second (2010) today!

            • Eclipse-girl

              John Sweeney’s book is about the hell he and the team endured in 2007. I am enjoying that book right now.

            • cdub

              The books were the tipping point for me.

            • Farthingale

              Read this last year–blew my mind.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think it is a MUST read by anyone interested in the subject.
              I like all the other books, don’t get me wrong.
              This is the reference I use when talking about the fat bastard

            • Mooser

              Can’t go wrong with “Barefaced Messiah”. So many, almost all the claims of Scientology are demolished before they ever get off the ground, simply by knowing the chronological facts of Hubbard’s life. You know, it’s hard to claim Hubbard was doing “research” or collecting “datums” and “dere-ums” at a hospital, when in fact he was a patient there.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It is a rabbit hole.

              You can’t read the books one after another. It is too tough on the psyche, IMO
              Read a book or 3, then something in a different genre

              If you have free days, scour youtube

              Not only are the BBC documentaries there, but
              There are three channels I like to keep up with, and maybe spend a a day or two watching all the vids on the channel
              My recommendation
              Surviving Scientology (Karen de la Carierre), ToryMagoo and Mark Bunker.

              Give yourself some time.

            • Farthingale

              I like the YouTube videos, I can listen while I’m doing other things.

              Knowledge has it’s price–my friends are beginning to find me might tiresome however.

            • Eclipse-girl

              We will be your new friends 🙂
              We like questions. The scientology lingo is difficult at first. I have not mastered it, but I am much more versed in their lingo.

            • Farthingale

              Unnecessary lingo should always be a red flag–especially when there are already servicibile words in use. The COS lingo reminds me of a therapy group I belonged to where there was a definite “group language”. There was a lot of control and manipulation from the group leader. I left “inappropriately” (without notifying the entire group first) and received a boxful of hate-mail because of it. Like Scientology, the group helped –at first. Then, the opposite.

            • cdub

              i spent years forcing myself to stop thinking and using that damn “language” and re-learn standard English. It was worth it. Even on these blogs I like to use conventional English and then I throw in a few of those Scio words just so people know I’m not a poser, no other reason really.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You have some experience, which will help. Scieno lingo is filled with acronyms.

          • Illinoisian

            ” I’m trying to see the BIG picture–not much luck.”

            There is a piece on Youtube that helped me get a handle on the ‘big picture.’ It’s “The Decline (and Probable Fall) of the Scientology Empire.” You can search for it by that title on Youtube and you’ll find it easily. In about an hour and a half, you’ll get an overview. Bear in mind that it is about a year old (when I first viewed it, it had just been posted) and there have been plenty of developments in that time. Nonetheless, it’s a good, clear presentation. It’s a speech given on January 19, 2013, to the National Capital Area Skeptics by Jim Lippard, who is an “American skeptic” and “freethinker,” according to Wiki.

          • Mooser

            “Thank you–solid answers. Since my ignorance is deep I’m trying to see the BIG picture–not much luck.”

            That one gave me a lot of problems too, as a never-in. But it turns out that there isn’t the same picture for everybody. Scientology is shrinking and dying, but it’s still big enough (weren’t the glory days the 70’s and 80’s) that different people (the public who dabble, public who join and get on staff, whales, whale’s kids, celebs and their kids, 2nd and 3rd generation born-ins, long time staff members) can experience Scientology in many different ways.
            Scientology is a completely different picture to a Tom Cruise and a lowly Sea Org kid, or young adult.

        • Farthingale

          I think I might need to know more about mystical vegetable growing—-I’ve had pretty good luck with square foot gardening.

      • aegerprimo

        A few of those questions might be clarified if you read John P’s blog – http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        “if this is true where is all the money coming from?”

        Bob and Trish Duggan and the Feshbachs?

        Obviously, they both have trailer park taste on a Robb Report budget.

        This leads to lots and lots of excess “Dufus Dough” for David Miscavige and the CHERCH of Sciloontology!

    • Disaffected

      Thursday morning before 2….damn hectic shit. All the frenzy and the push and handled-stats-by-whatever-means…. and then right after 2 the org would be dead quiet. Just like after a devastating hurricane. …blegh, I have bad memories.

      • cdub

        exactly precisely the same bad memories. over and over, week after week, year after year. always the same thing.

        • Disaffected

          yeah, I believe that routine went on a sort of “automatic” which perpetuated the hypnotic state. You know something of really off, but you don’t get the time to reflect and introspect, or some senior would come a long and give you a SRA. Sadly… I have to confess I did that sometimes to my juniors too..:(

          • cdub

            we don’t talk about it here enough but we’re guilty of building Scientology up, back in the day, with all that tough guy stuff. yeah. (ladies too, i know)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Awwww………sorry, you guys. ;-(

              We feel your pain.

            • Disaffected

              Thank you for sympathizing and understanding! What has been effective for my healing is getting people OUT, by whatever means. Every time I succeed I feel relief.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              And each person freed is a life regained.
              Thank you for the efforts.

            • NOLAGirl

              I echo Bury’s sentiments below, thank you for helping people get out. I’ve always believed that every ex, indy & never-in are important parts of bringing this insanity to an end.

            • Disaffected

              I agree, we all did our part in its rise, and now I try to play my part in its demise…, which I hope is VERY soon.

            • Eclipse-girl

              We are glad that you and Dis are out.
              You two have made a choice. You are helping others.
              Not everyone makes that choices.

              The Bunker is richer for your presence here.

    • Mooser

      “Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds
      nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual
      expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery.”

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Trying to get more news about tornado touchdown in U City (University City, suburb west of downtown St Louis) earlier. One newscast showed a neighborhood with houses wiped out on that block. I checked and it’s only a few minutes from the org on Delmar. Yesterday there was flash flooding on some streets, just like Davey predicted. Of course, the good news is that the chance anyone was even in the org is pretty low. Anyone here anything more exact? Looks like there still in tornado watch zone for tonight as well as flash floods.

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/tornado-watch-for-st-louis-area-until-midnight/article_65fa2748-afb7-5a4d-b971-872fc66bd2af.html

    • I checked on Google Maps, and the Org is a bit higher than street level, and given how flat that section of Delmar Blvd is, I doubt that they were affected by the flash floods. I went to Wash U so I know that part if Delmar Blvd pretty well.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        tks.

      • Tomato Thetan

        You went to Wash U! I grew up in U City. Now I live farther west of downtown. The storms this morning and an hour and a half ago knocked down trees but did minimal damage to buildings.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I hope you are OK and that is just an exciting storm that doesn’t harm anyone.

          • Tomato Thetan

            Thanks, Eclipse-girl! Pretty wild storms yesterday and still yet this morning, but so far all are safe!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am glad to hear no one has been hurt

  • Disaffected

    Apart from Daveys’ height I appreciate the updates on the legal front. Lot to puzzle, but great to be in the know where things are at as they unfold.

    • Mooser

      I doubt there will be any up-dates on the Miscavige height situation. Things would have to get really dull on the legal front before Tony live-blogs it.

    • Eclipse-girl

      TX Lawyer checked in earlier today. You may want to look for their comments.

  • media_lush
    • 1subgenius

      I, for one, don’t mind that you’re a shameless whore.
      There are worse things, you shameless whore.
      In fact, we are all whores, just quibbling about the price, you shameless whore.
      No offense.

      • media_lush

        … er… okay…

      • aegerprimo

        Has someone had too many lime gin drink thingies?

      • Mooser

        I don’t know about you, 1subgenius, but I’m just a gigolo. Everywhere I go, people know the part I’m playing. Between that and fluttering like a wounded bird in Milady’s boudoir until a merciful sycope releases me from cognizance, it’s a hell of a life.

  • Missionary Kid

    OT. Lawrence Wright is on PBS news as the author of CAMP DAVID, a new play about Jimmy Carter, who got the Middle East peace accord between Egypt and Israel.

    • aegerprimo

      Saw preview of the play on PBS Newshour today.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s what I was talking about.

  • Eclipse-girl

    There is a nasty storm brewing up in the midwest.
    Minnesota is supposed to be hit hard.
    Take care, bundle up and be careful.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Another thing that gets David angry is when his attempts to lure in people for free, don’t work

    C’mon Red Xers
    Lets get those ads flagged

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-70#post-2441929

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    I sure would love to know what Laura’s attorney, John Blumberg, knows about Judge Hess that we don’t know.

    After Judge Hess’ known history with the Wollersheim case and the church of scientology, I thought Laura and her legal team had gotten exceptionally lucky with this most recent spin of “Get a New Judge” wheel. But now I have to wonder if the Judge’s “ruin” has been found and his judicial “ethics” have been compromised, i.e., bought off – just as we suspect happened with Judge Crockett Farnell in Ken Dandar’s unprecedented and bizarre legal case.

    I’m finding it increasingly difficult to interpret any legal or courtroom developments with anything but suspicion or bitter skepticism. I have to wonder if ANY conspiracy theory involving dirty backroom deals, pay offs, kick backs, extortion, blackmail, and Miscavige’s or OSA’s ability to corrupt those at the highest level of justice, politics, and law enforcement, is too far fetched to consider when this “church” is involved.

    But I keep hoping that one of these days, I’ll be able to hear that the as-of-yet untold backstory behind some of the news events and legal decisions surrounding the current crop of court cases against the Co$ will turn out to be reassuringly simple, straightforward, and innocent instead of being filled with the now predictable dramas of back stabbings, backroom politics, or other unethical, immoral, and illegal machinations. Trying to figure it all out is getting exhausting and demoralizing. I don’t know where Tony, the plaintiffs and their lawyers, or some of the judges themselves find the patience, interest, and intestinal/mental fortitude to handle and deal with the kind of toxic information and behavior the Co$ puts out – day after day, week after week, month after month, decade after decade…

    I remain in awe of those courageous individuals who do decide to stand up to be counted as they tell their stories about this “church” and then, also decide to drag any of its entities kicking and screaming into a courtoom. They truly are some of our modern day heroes. They inspire not only awe but tremendous gratitude for their bravery and willingness to contain or eradicate a 60 year plague of “biblical” proportions that has brought pestilence, disease, and even death, to countless individuals, to our societies, and in particular, to the American legal system. I’m tempted to say that this a modern day retelling of the biblical story of David and Goliath but in this case, Goliath IS named David! And maybe, there lies greater truth in that paradox than I’m capable of elucidating at this time and without deeper thought. In all honesty, it would take a better writer with a greater intellect than I could ever hope to be.

    So all that to say, continued best wishes to Laura and her formidable legal team. We may never know the reasons behind this latest decision, but please know that you are never far from our thoughts, that you have the very best of journalist to tell your story to the world, and that you have a Bunkerload of people who will support you until the very end. Good luck in the weeks and months to come.

    • Eclipse-girl

      at least two others suggested that this pre-emptory challenge maybe a way to save one reason for a future appeal by scientology.

  • SvenBoogie

    O/T does anyone know if it’s possible to purchase “Bare Faced Messiah” online in a way that either doesn’t require waiting for the print copy to arrive, or that allows you to get a digital copy along with the print one that doesn’t require an e-reader? Yes, I live in the stone age and have nothing to read an e-book on besides my PC… =/

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      there is a kindle reader for pc’s. also there are some other free ebook readers you can download. just google it.

      • SvenBoogie

        Ah, thanks, I’ll look into it.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      And the original is still available as a downloadable .pdf……. 🙁
      But then Mr. Miller gets hosed again.

      I read the old .pdf, but bought the kindle version just so I could give the man my money.

      • SvenBoogie

        Hmm, the only place I knew of where it was being hosted prior to publication disappeared once it came back into print.

        • aegerprimo

          No it hasn’t. If you click on this link, be sure to do what Bury said – buy the e-book anyway to support Mr. Miller. It is the right thing to do.

          http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm

          • SvenBoogie

            Yeah I was planning on it regardless, it’s just handy to have it available in a digital version as every so often I want to double check my memory of certain events in LRH/the cult’s history.

            • Mooser

              Don’t forget the excellent time-line of Hubbard’s life and events Mr. Miller assembles.

          • SvenBoogie

            Looks like it’s just the plain text version that’s still there, but that’ll do for now until I get the actual book.

      • GalacticGreg

        Really. Me too. Fer keereist’s sakes, the way Bunkeroos get after all things $cilon, it’s the least all can do is buy the thing – Milller’s book – in one form or another. actually, I’m enjoying it on Kindle-reader a whole lot. Again. That’s cool. Cuz it is *so* well-written. Mr Russell doth knowest how to writest wellest.

      • Sibs

        I read the pdf back when it was online. Waiting for my next paycheck before I buy the book itself though – wanna be sure that I have enough extra money in my budget for the month.

      • Mooser

        I’m not sure, lemme go check, okay I checked, but I’m still not sure. I think the copy of “Barefaced”

        on line may be put there by its author, in which case he could hardly mind if you read it, especially if you are buying the book, too.

    • Eclipse-girl

      The wait wasn’t too terribly long from England.
      it was a week to 10 days or so I think.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Apr. 3: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #20,521 – down 285 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 16,449)
    Scientology: US rank #65,052 – down 1,731 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 41,691)

    Difference: 44,531 – 1,446 more than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 25,242)

    Lowest US rank for Scientology since I started monitoring on Oct. 14 2013, and biggest difference since then as well.

    Clicks from India – 10,9% today.

    • Disaffected

      Almost 11% click-farm and still so very down stat! There must be a lot of CICS’es on DMs internet dissemination lines. if this continues, I fear for the poor person responsible for internet promotion.

      • Sibs

        And more clicks from India than yesterday too!

    • GalacticGreg

      Awesome numbers, Johnny – really!!
      Amazing how this goes.

    • Observer

      Click, India! Click!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I hope they are getting paid by piece work.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Just off the cuff, I notice that the scientology.org site is dropping straight limp and dangling even though somewhere in india vast hordes are clicking frantically to no avail.

      So the real decline is even steeper. Wow.

      • Sibs

        With all of the coverage, people are no longer going to see what all the ruckus is on the cult’s own site because they know it’s propaganda?

        • Missionary Kid

          I certainly hope so.

          • Sibs

            It’s really hard to speculate as to why fewer people are even clicking on the website than before (as opposed to speculating why there are more clicks). Unless interest has always been declining (which I was under the impression that it was) and this is like… the clicks from the ads have faded and maybe people are leaving and the clicks from India can’t mask that anymore, even with the increase.

            This is all speculative and wishful thinking. I dunno.

            • Missionary Kid

              I would have thought that the Secrets program the other night would have brought at least some people to the website, if, for no other reason, people wanted to see for themselves what the other side was about, and that this site may have also seen an uptick. Neither has happened.

              Maybe what’s been keeping the $cientology website going is clicks from clams, and, with more and more entheta, general J&D and hostility towards Co$, and donor and regging fatigue, that clams who’ve been the ones who have been providing clicks just don’t care any more, so they not only are going under the radar, but they aren’t bothering to support Co$ by clicks. On the other hand, maybe clams are just keeping off of the internet.

              This is also speculative, wishful thinking. I’m happy to see the plunge in popularity, and I hope it continues.

  • Sibs

    Can I just add that when I first read this headline, I almost thought it said that Tony asked David Miscavige for his exact height, “and here’s what he told us!” And I thought I would click on the article and the reply would be “YSYSYSYSYSYSYSYSYS”

  • Jimmy3

    I’m not long on time, so I’ll try to keep this brief. A teeny, tiny portion of the commentariat have called today’s post a low blow. A small number have suggested that this is merely a J&D shortcut. That it doesn’t mean squat, it is only an excuse so wee can make little jokes about David Miscavige’s diminutive stature. The latter part of which is true, by the way, he is an undersized man. He is vertically-challenged, to be blunt. If he were a candy bar, he’d be fun-sized. Just an itty bitty, skimpy shrimpy man.

    But some of today’s objectors believe the focus should always be on the money in his pocket, or the people whose pockets he is emptying, and not on the fact that he could fit in a pocket. And why throw your back out stooping to his level? I can understand that. But everyday Mr. Ortega keeps his ear close to the ground to bring us the finest reporting on Scientology, so what is wrong with having a little fun by reporting exactly how close to the ground Miscavige is? It is only a low blow considering that to have the slightest chance of hitting Miscavige with some J&D, you need to aim very, very low. Thanks for listening to my short runt. rant.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That was hilarious………….And so, er, subtle………….hahaha

      Edit: I personally felt thier initial argument was somewhat stunted.

      • Mooser

        I think Davey Miscavige missed his calling. After all, “brevity is the soul of wit”! And he’s got that by the trunkfull.

      • Jimmy3

        Haha, I should’ve worked that in somehow. BTW I did some investigating of my own and I’ve actually confirmed the identity of the person who prepares all of Miscavige’s meals.

        I can’t release the name, but I can tell you that he is a short-order cook.

        • cdub

          I think today’s post is right on the money. Only Ortega would get the definitive answer. It’s a subject that’s spurred lots of talk for whatever reason and it took a pro like Tony to put it to bed.
          I got carried away with my talk about “follow the money” but honestly I could have made that post any day of the week and twice on any Sunday. I just happened to get geekd up this day, among all days.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Don’t worry about it.

          • Jimmy3

            I liked your post and I didn’t have a problem with Sven posting his opinion nor with the others who objected earlier. I was only having some fun with it.

            • cdub

              we’re fun if nothing else.

    • SvenBoogie

      Sigh, I let it go, but you just had to get on DM’s soapbox… 😉

    • Mooser

      Mr. Ortega did not make any pronouncements on Miscaviges geight, or lack thereof, until he had an impeccable source. Not until the figure had been sought, announced, verified, checked, re-verified, converted from English to Metric measurements, and confirmed did Mr. Ortega consent to publicise what happens when Mr. Miscavige draws himself up to his full shortness.
      So, I agree, with Jimmy3. We are not making fun of Miscavige because somebody said he is short! No! Forsooth, no! We are making fun of Miscavige because, thanks to Mr. Ortega’s unceasing vigilance and courage, we know he’s short. There’s a big difference, and I’m glad Jimmy3 appreciates the distinction.

    • Captain Howdy

      Good one, Jimmy.

      Also, does anyone doubt that D.M has tried to fuck with Tony the last couple years, if not longer?

      Sometimes it’s good to stick it to your nemesis on a personal level.

    • Sherbet

      Clever, James.

    • Observer

      I can’t help but notice that the sizes of DM’s and TC’s meat sacks are in inverse proportion to the Bigness of their Beings.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        You are not your body!

        sometimes when I quote this stuff…….I want to go urp…………….just sayin………

  • Jo

    Mikes got a new post up about the cash-strapped Dublin mission. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/ireland/
    It’s really good.

  • SvenBoogie

    O/T: The cult, through sheer incompetence and poor taste, makes it really hard to work with their promo videos as comedy remix source material, due to the blaring music that never stops the entire time.

    • SvenBoogie

      I’m also struck by, even if you know all the lingo being used, the promotional videos $ci puts out almost exclusively consist of people saying nothing at all. It’s a ton of words amounting to “it’s good because it’s good.” The original tom cruise video is a good example, where he sort of seems to be praising $cientology, but if you actually think about what he’s saying (which I suppose they are relying on their intended audience not to do…) he makes no actual concrete claims whatsoever.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Tom Cruise made me scared of Him. I certainly do not want him near me or my loved ones if I am ever in a car accident

        • SvenBoogie

          I can see him engaging in violent confrontations with paramedics as they arrived on the scene, screaming “WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO CAN HELP!!!”

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          If I was in an accident and Tom Cruise came near me and said: feel my finger.
          He would loose a part of that finger.
          I am a biter!!!

          • aegerprimo

            Don’t worry, if any accidents occur here at the Bunker, I know ACTUAL life saving techniques. I have a BLS certification (basic life saving).

      • aegerprimo

        Ha ha! Have you checked out Black Rob’s threads at the forums? If not, you are in for a treat – excellent examples of Scientologists saying a lot of nothing, “it’s good because it’s good” shit.

        I have a Thetan who does things to my mirror and it’s annoying. What Should I Do?

        WWP – https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/i-have-a-thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-its-annoying-what-should-i-do.105033/
        ESMB – http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25895-I-have-a-Thetan-who-does-things-to-my-mirror-and-it-s-annoying-What-Should-I-Do

        • SvenBoogie

          I started working on a parody video earlier using the golden age of tech promo video, but it’ll probably end up being short. I’ll get around to finishing it sooner or later.

          • aegerprimo

            Looking forward to it!

        • SvenBoogie

          If those are real, it’s tragic, as clearly multiple people on those threads are experiencing blatant mental illness that real treatments could actually help them with.

          • Eclipse-girl

            It is real. Black Rob has similar thread on WWP, OCMB and EXSMB.

            It is funny in parts. It is very very sad in other part. I really want to end Mace Kingsley

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              I second that.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Sven, if you are talking about the thetan does things to my mirror thread…………Oh yeah. It is real. To the point of surreal.

          • aegerprimo

            It’s real, and excellent examples of how Scientology makes people mentally ill.
            We laugh at them, but some of us have BEEN those types of crazy people. I was one, but was never too far gone that I was not able to recover. Now I laugh, and at the same time am sad that Scientology and the Co$ is still making a lot of crazy.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              It can be sick when you see 12 year old kids sent off to,SEa Arghh training,Their terrible parents,”are so proud.” Or pregnant invited to funeral’s to hope Grandma’s dead soul will jump into their fetus. THEY ARE ALL NUTS. Hours of lulz,too. Must read..

      • Mooser

        Scientology is looking for people who posses a special quality what might be called “pathological credulity”. What better way to eliminate those who don’t have the prerequisite mental inabilities than giving out utter nonsense right from the beginning? Or, as you say, using a lot of words to say nothing. Gets rid of a lot of unsuitable people right away.

        • Farthingale

          But there is also the obvious fact that very intelligent people have succumbed to it. Sometimes I think people who can think very abstractly end up being vulnerable because they are, in fact, capable of the mental gymnastics necessary to make sense out of it all. Does that make sense?

          • Mooser

            Don’t confuse intelligence with credulity. A person may be very intelligent, but their attitude towards a proposition like Scientology has a lot more to do with how they relate to people, I think, from what I’ve read.
            . A very intelligent person who gets ensnared by Scientology will put all of his intelligence into understanding and doing Scientology.
            A not-very-bright guy, like me for example, may not be very intelligent, but reject outright the idea that what Scientology offers is even worth considering. I’m not very smart (and you can ask anybody here about that! I’m a registered dullard) but I’ve got a whole lot of incredulity. More than enough.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Some people are better prepared to handle the lies of cults than others. I do not what allows one person vs the next to have some sort of protection. I should probably read Steve Hassan.

              I am sad whenever someone gets sucked into any cult. First Scientolgy, then Anon, Chanology and others can argue over what should be their next target

            • Mooser

              From what I gather from what everyone has related here, and my own experience, it is a willingness, or ability to believe that there is one thing which will answer all of your questions (moral, spiritual, physical, ethical, etc) and you just found it! Hallelujah, I’m a Bum!
              I think (don’t quote me on this) that idea is generalized as gnosis (?)

              Anyway, somebody who rejects the idea that some kind of “system” (or method or “tech”) will ‘perfect’ him or exclude him from the state of existence almost everybody is heir to in this veil of tears would reject Scientology out-of-hand. For offering complete proof of its own invalidity in its very premise: That you can have “complete freedom” that you can attain a state of ‘something else’ (whatever the hell it is, OT, Clear, OTVIII). The very fact that it offers those things, is proof enough to me that it is phony, and that they are looking for suckers.
              But I understand that may be because I’m too stupid to grasp the things on offer, not too smart. Why, there may entire dimensions of reality I am just too dumb to see.

            • Mooser

              My spiritual progress has always been hampered, nay, stymied (of course, if something is hampered, it should go in the washing machine next.) by a sneaking suspicion I have that if something is too good to be true, it probably is. Not to mention bewaring any enterprise which requires new clothes, too.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have always wondered what “gnosis” was.
              I know that Christian Gnostics and there texts when shunned by other factions.
              Competely different discussion

              It is hard to put myself back in my 20s and imagine what I would have thought if I was presented with something that had all the answers.
              So in my limited imagination, I do not dwell on it. I am grateful I was never preyed upon. I have empathy for those who were.

              In several comments of today, you claim you are stupid. That is not the case. Sometimes your jokes are unfathomable, sometimes not. I think you had too much of a class clown in you to take anything too seriously. You were not good prey.

            • Farthingale

              I think you’ve pegged it exactly. People who are looking for a sure thing, an all encompassing answer, the Right way, are susceptible. A humble acknowledgement that there are no sure things or all encompassing answers is an inoculation for Scientogy.

            • Farthingale

              I take your point–I think. I agree high credulity is mandatory in scientology–or a willingness to suspend disbelief.

            • Mooser

              “I take your point–I think. I agree high credulity is mandatory in scientology–or a willingness to suspend disbelief.”

              And that is not necessarily related to intelligence, Some people use their intelligence to reinforce their beliefs, instead of using it to question their beliefs. I don’t know why that should be so, but if they choose to go that way, they will find comfort and support for that view a lot more places than Scientology!
              Or rather, that is how it seems to me.

      • Farthingale

        I am so glad you brought this up–I re-viwed that video and was struck by the same thing. There is no substance, just tween-like gushing. “I mean, come on, ya gotta know…like..how incredible, I mean, yeah.” There is no other word for it but inarticulate (well, there probably ARE a few other words for it). There is NO direct communication, but a transmission of enthusiasm. I believe TC really likes what he’s talking about, but have no idea what he’s saying or referring to.

        And to think this is their own edit and what they chose to communicate—“Tom Cruise Likes It”. I think the vid betrays tremendous contempt for the intended audience.

  • Science Doc

    I like to think of a week on The Bunker as like a Saturday in the Golden Age of Cinema. You get a cartoon, a short subject and then the feature. Sunday Funnies is the cartoon. Today was the short subject.

    • Mooser

      Man, I tell ya, I gotta wonder, when the time comes, what the movie “The Decline and Fall of Scientology” will be like.

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Besides Dear Leader, who else will be in the film? Any idea as to who will play what part in the cast of characters?

        • Farthingale

          Too Bad Bea Arthur died. She would have made a helluva LRH.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Too funny. I would have never thought of casting a woman in his role. Brilliant! And fun to think to about.

            Any suggestions as to which actress could play Miscavige?

            • Farthingale

              Miley Cirus?’
              She can really…..emote.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Ooh, you’re good! I think her eyes would be particularly effective in depicting that kind of crazy.

              Is there a female actor equivalent to Dennis Hopper these days?

            • Farthingale

              The actors that come to mind with the chops to take on this story have aged out —A young Steve Buscemi or William H. Macey.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I haven’t seen their photos lately so I’ll take your word for it.

              I couldn’t think of a woman either who could play a part the way Dennis Hopper could. I miss him. He gave great interviews.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Cars, the US version of SHAMELESS is addictive. I have not seen the UK version. William H Macy is Frank Gallagher.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Oh. thank you E-girl! I hadn’t heard of it before. I’ll Google it now.

              BTW, I might disappear in a Google rabbit hole and might not find my way out until ??? So, I’ll wish you a good night now. See you back at “work” here in the Bunker tomorrow. 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              Sleep well my friend.
              I highly recommend SHAMELESS. although at times, i want to hit all the character supside of their heads

            • Mooser

              Okay, but the point is, does anybody doubt a couple of feature-films, not to mention up-dated documentaries, will come out of the end-game of Scientology?
              I think there will be movies. End game 2014, movies starting end of 2015 and 2016.??

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              The producers won’t have to build sets because all of the original locales will be empty and available. WAIT…. they are already empty!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am a pessimist when it comes to ending of the cult and putting David behind bars.

              I hope , I dream, I wish I am wrong.
              I have learned not to get my hopes up, and that slow and steady does win the race.

            • Jimmy3

              Paramedic: You mentioned he’s had a liver transplant. How long ago was that?

              Sheila: Oooh, I don’t know.. (how long would you say it has been?).. Yeah.. about 20 minutes ago.

              The look on the paramedic’s face. That episode was the best yet.

            • Eclipse-girl

              NO SPOLIERS

            • Jimmy3

              No spoilers. You know that’s only a small piece of what happens 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know. We watched it all. But if Cars has not seen anything yet………..

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              Love Shameless. Macey shines.

            • aquaclara

              Michelle Williams, perhaps?

            • aquaclara

              Linda Hunt, of course. A phenomenal actress, plays men well, and is hugely successful. I have loved her since The Year Of Living Dangerously.

            • Baby

              OMG I love her too.. fabulous actress.. But.. too sweet for Tampon Dave

            • aquaclara

              Oh, I am thinking Academy Award. She could deliver!

            • Baby

              I fell madly in love with her in Popeye.. and have followed her ever since..

              OK she could deliver alright.. She can DO anything..and Steal the Scene.

            • aquaclara

              Popeye….filmed just north of Clearwater In Tarpon Springs. Nice.

            • Baby

              aqua.. I did NOT know that.. It is one of my favorite shows.. I love the music

            • Baby

              Not An Actor, but OMG what a resemblance.. ( facial wise..) WOE

            • Baby

              I meant to type WOW ! But WOE is just as good.. WOAH

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Oohh, Baby! The eyes, the eyes… they are perfect!

              Who is this person and how did you pull him up so fast?

            • Baby

              I hearsayed Rat Face ( Swear to God) and looked at images…bawwwwwwwwwhahahhaa

              He could be DM in a heartbeat! Denise’s twin..Meth head..

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Rat Face? Seriously? That’s too funny.

              Which search terms would you use for LRH? And which ones would you do for Lou – the communicator?

            • Baby

              Let me see what I can come up with..hmmmm ( female rat face..hahahhaha) Tub of Lard guy

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I’ve just posted the Miscavige twin photo under your guy. The resemblance to DM is uncanny and unsettling – especially if you imagine him in a federal prison after 4 or 5 years.

              You’d make a good casting agent.

            • Baby

              Here is Lou.. Pepper from American Horror Story..

              ( Who is absolutely beautiful in real life..)

              Because Lou has sold her soul to the devil ..

            • Baby

              OOPS where is the picture..duh

            • Baby

              WTF is wrong with Disq tonight..Good God.. I hate it.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              This past week, I’ve noticed that people have been complaining of having trouble with Disqus around this time of night. They can’t reply, upvote, and especially have trouble posting images.

              I wonder if Disqus is doing some kind of maintenance around this time of day or if they once again going to deliver some ‘new and improved” feature.

              Some people have toggled between browsers to get Disqus to work. You might want to try using a different browser if you have one installed.

            • Baby

              LRH

            • Bwah! ha haha!! Funny!

            • Baby

              I can’t stand that man.. ( LRH) so absolutely fits…

            • valshifter

              this is when he is being injected with Vistaril

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I’ve just pulled up a photo of the set of Miscavige twins to do a comparison with your “rat face.”

              (photo)

            • Baby

              WOW! I am good Cars..hahahhaha seriously the eyes have it though..

            • aurora50

              Is his twin sister also altitudenly challenged?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Denise is 2 inches taller than David (5′ 3″). Not tall for a woman, but not short, either.

            • aurora50

              That must have been challenging for them as they grew up…I have twin sibs and the rest of us always have envied their rapport. Just looking at those faces there, a lot of suffering in her eyes…was she punished for growing taller?

              Sick, sad and sorry looking couple…

            • Eclipse-girl

              David was not a kind sibling.
              When he would get his asthma attacks he would lash out at others.
              He resented being smaller than others

              I do not think David and Denise had any rapport.

            • aurora50

              Nope…

              also, too…as I was waiting to see if you would reply and staring at those pics some more, it is odd that he has those dimples and she doesn’t…and I suspect his chin has been enhanced…

              ugh, what a tool!

              Got to go do chores; nice to touch base with you!

            • Eclipse-girl

              His chin has definitely been enhanced.

              There are photos of him in say 1986, when Ron died and then later and the chin has changed.

              Chores, its bedtime where I live.

            • Captain Howdy

              I got that beat
              Meet the new Boston police commissioner

            • Baby

              Swear to God! hahaha You Win.. Sweet Jesus..

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s one of his better photos. We got Nosferatu for top cop

            • Eclipse-girl

              I suggest Peter Dinklage

            • aquaclara

              He is another fab actor. Win!

        • Farthingale

          I’m also seeing the potential for an opera.

          • Mooser

            I had thought of a musical, but there’s a choice: will the movie portray people by name, historical, or will it be fictionalized? Not that there isn’t room for documentaries and fictionalized and/or dramatized approaches.
            Cause there’s gonna be more events and doings before it’s over.

            • Farthingale

              All of the above. I’m seeing a franchise. Perhaps all the profits can go to victim reparations :-/

            • Mooser

              “Perhaps all the profits can go to victim reparations”

              They could assign a portion to that,

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Even better! The costume designers would have the best time evah, I bet. What a visual feast this opera could be! Especially the space opera part of it with LRH.

            And then, when it came to Miscavige’s regime, the sets designers would be in heaven!

        • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

          Seth Green, 5’4″ as the Cob-Master. I’ll bet he could play a wicked villain.

          James Spader as LRH.

          • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

            …or Peter Dinklage as DM and Robin Williams as LRH

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I love the idea of James Spader as LRH, or any other villain he’d like to play. He’s aged well in his craft. I first encountered him in Sex, Lies, and Videotapes.

              I’ll have to google your other suggestion.

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              You never saw Pretty in Pink? Spader was a classic high school snobby villain.

            • Baby

              Yep.. Spader fan here Texas..

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              Hey Baby, next week my moniker will simply be Vacquera, but you can always call me Texas….I’l still come a-runnin’. :)))

            • Baby

              10-4 Texas.. Copy that

        • Artoo45

          I always wanted Jeffrey Jones to play LRH. I think he’s too old to play the younger LRH now . . . but he’s about the right age to play him in my story . . .

      • Missionary Kid

        A GIF of a toilet flushing will cover it.

    • Narapoid

      Grooooan 😉

    • Sibs

      JUST got it. Dang that was subtle.

  • Eclipse-girl

    Because it is time
    Because it irritates the short one.
    Because we can

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-70#post-2441929

    TY for all that everyone does

    • Eclipse-girl

      for protection

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        ditto

    • valshifter

      what if we reply to all the ads with a message like “YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY THE FREELOADERS DEBT”

    • valshifter

      I love clicking away like crazy! they target Las Vegas for money problems and Orange county for family problems, seems like they know their demographics.

  • media_lush

    here’s a little shoop I just did for ‘David Miscavige…. the man, the story, the comedy’….

    • Eclipse-girl

      The Penguin will always be Burgess Meredith to me.

      Danny DeVeto was very goo, but you can’t fight with your childhood memories ,… or can you?

      • aquaclara

        Danny devito should play Marc Headley. He would capture the Int Base experience, the tapes and CDs, the entire (whole) Hole experience with the humor and charm. Or Jimmy Fallon could play Marc ….he would be great!

        • aquaclara

          Sweeney should be played by Johnny Depp.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Interesting choice. Not that one I would have chosen, but it is fitting.

            • aquaclara

              He would make the moment. And look who I have for Mark Rinder? Perfect, eh?

            • Eclipse-girl

              How about Clooney?

            • aquaclara

              Tony.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Does Tony want to be an actor?

            • aquaclara

              I thought Clooney as Tony. But who do you think?

            • Jimmy3

              Look at Narapoid’s post above. Tony does look very similar to the Dos Equis guy.

            • Jimmy3

              Tony is obviously much younger, so that pic isn’t the best example, but there are photos that cut it closer.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Are we doing an opera or a 2 hr movie. Going to be hard to get all of those roles in.

              Clooney would be great as Tony. Now we still need a Rinder and Rathbun…

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              Above, I’ve suggested Kevin Spacey as Rathbun.

            • valshifter

              Cloony to pretty for a greasy Hubbard, and probably a lot more personality too than Hubbard.

            • SvenBoogie

              We all know who would have been perfect for LRH (at least the older, rotting one).

              Rodney Dangerfield.

            • SvenBoogie

              pic

            • Eclipse-girl

              Rodney is dead. I agree that he could have been great in that role.

            • Eclipse-girl

              As too many comments can make DISCUS go into a hissy fit,
              I thought Clooney might do very well as Rinder.

              I do not link Clooney as Hubbard at all.

          • aquaclara

            James Spader as Mark Rinder

            • Eclipse-girl

              we have already cast spader as a possible Ron

            • aquaclara

              Ugh.horrible role. I would give that to someone we don’t love.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think Phillip Seymour Hoffman was a great actor. He was excellent in The Master.

              I think Ron has to be played by someone who is an actor of similar stature. Not sure about Spader, but Spader can be very good.

            • Jimmy3

              Slaterbro

            • valshifter

              slater ok to show when he was young and masturbating 11 times a day or something. and then switch it to John woodman when he was older and fat.

            • Jimmy3

              Do you mean John Goodman? Nooooooo!!

            • valshifter

              yes why not, I just edited my G

            • Jimmy3

              Because he is my most favorite people and I don’t want to have to see him as LRH.

            • aquaclara

              Help cast Claire and Monique and Laura and Victoria Britton.
              Zoe Deshanel Claire.
              Kate Winslett for Victoria Britton

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would like to see someone like Tamara Taylor for Monique

              http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0853231/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

              Let me think on Laura

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              Mary Louise Parker as Shelly. If not, then in a cameo role as The Harpy Cardone. I’ll see anything MLP is in.

            • aquaclara

              Great choice,

            • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

              Kevin Spacey as Mark Rathbun. I realize we are casting an impossible dream team, but I’m having fun with it!

            • Jimmy3

              Cynthia Nixon would play an amazing Shelly, I think. And I don’t know how far back this hypothetical casting is going, but Christian Slater as young LRH and Fred Thompson as an aging, fading LRH. I’m also not sure if the casting is done by talent or lookalikes, I’m going mostly by lookalikes.

            • Frodis73

              +100! She would rock that part!

            • Eclipse-girl

              There is a scots actress Kelly Macdonald who I think should be considered for Claire

              http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0531808/

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am sorry. I have a bit of a crush on Marc.

          Danny DeVeto is too old, and too short to play Marc
          I like the Idea of Jimmy Fallon.

          • SvenBoogie

            “I have a bit of a crush on Marc”

            why…

            • Eclipse-girl

              I found his escape heroic.
              I found his desire to rescue Claire gallant
              I found his book and continued speaking out against the cult brave

              All great qualities for any person to have.

              I think Marc and Claire are very lucky to have one another.
              I am happy that since their escape they have had children.

        • Vaquera (TXCowgirl)

          Is there a role for Jared Leto? I don’t know the real characters well enough to cast supporting roles.

          • aquaclara

            Brousseau. Or Tiziano.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think Jared could do a great Brousseau.

      • Captain Howdy

        Thanks, because for the life of me I couldn’t figure out who it was. I thought maybe it was Dan Rather.

      • Jimmy3

        I know what you mean, and by that same principle, Danny DeVito is The Penguin to me. Even though he only appears on my television, I still cover my nose when I see him. After what he did to that one guy, I don’t want to risk it.

        Edit: It wasn’t Christopher Walken. I should re-watch that.

        • Captain Howdy

          Dick Cheney was always be the real Penguin for me.
          ….

          • Eclipse-girl

            you are correct. That is adult horror and not for the young ones.

    • SvenBoogie

      For a second I thought that was bunker

    • Narapoid

      • Jimmy3

        I do not always up vote memes.

        But when I do, it’s because the meme accurately explains my position, in that I am not so petty as to insult someone by making fun of their appearance, yet I find it to be good sport when they appear to be a scumbag.

  • Jo

    Church secrets and legend show. http://youtu.be/Ep2oBov0OhU

    • GalacticGreg

      Good one, Jo – thanks. I hadn’t seen that.

  • media_lush

    from SP’s R Us:

    ‘Flag Order 3433 of 3 January 1974 “Instructions On Use Of A Vibrator”. This is an actual Flag Order, not a forgery. The very next FO issued after this one was the infamous FO 3434 “The Rehabilitation Project Force” dated 7 January 1974.’

    …. rumour had it that Travolta commissioned his own special ‘strap-on’ version

    • SvenBoogie

      Lol, basically comes down to “keep doing it until the ‘patient’ gives up and tells you they feel better so this awkward situation can end. Collect money. Repeat.”

      • TDA1541A

        It must be stimulating to the Body Thetans too.

    • Farthingale

      Well at least there is something useful happening in this policy. I’d like to take this joke further, but it’s late and My powers are low.

      • SvenBoogie

        I hear there’s a building for that…

    • LMAO!!!! Is this ferreal???? Wait what?!?!? How? why? for what?

      • SvenBoogie

        It’s a case of a misleading title, making it perhaps one of the mildest cases of misleading in all of $cientology.

    • valshifter

      I never herd of this, what kind of vibrator is it?
      the EP is obviously a “happy ending” I wandering if they are offering that service at the superpower building? provided by COB himself eeeewwk!

  • media_lush

    off-topic but slightly on in the sense it’s Florida…. over the past couple of years I have been amazed at what’s been happening to the American police force…. I know all forces have bad apples and such but to fire a whole department?
    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-city-fires-entire-police-force/

    • valshifter

      they must be scientologist to be that corrupt

    • D.Y.G.

      I’m surprised that a population of 477 qualifies as a city in Florida. An 18-person police presence for a population that small is also very odd. To compare, my village of 453 in Ohio has no police force at all and is serviced by the county Sheriff’s department. In any case, small town corruption is really nothing new. The bad deeds of a few usually become so outrageous that state and federal authorities take note, and act accordingly.

    • Espiando

      That was part of the deal to keep the entire city in existence. CNN’s been covering this story heavily ever since a couple of Floriduh legislators, one of whom got caught in the infamous speed trap, sponsored legislation to dissolve Hampton’s charter. Last week, the city cut a deal with them to drop the legislation: fire the entire police force, have everyone in the city government resign (the mayor already did, from jail (for selling hillbilly heroin to an undercover officer)), give back the piece of highway where they had the speed trap to the state, and hold new elections.

      It was either that, or become unincorporated.

  • Bunker Lurkers and Bunkerites! It’s time to take down those Church of Scamatology Craigslist ads! Help us on your own time! Play some music! Pull out a beer! Tell your college friends and your cousin’s sister’s friends!
    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-70#post-2441929

    Sea Org members:

    Your doubts ARE valid!
    The freeloader debt is UNenforceable!

    • Pierrot

      ty spw

      READ THIS AND FLAG SMART:
      Of course the ideal would be to flag everything and again later

      RED Xers in a hurry, put off by long lists, casual visitors, RED Xers with all Blue entries.

      Choose some Cities (closest to you, local is better but not mandatory)
      Start with the BLUE Section
      If your chosen cities are not listed today help some other cities
      Prioritize the ads, the most important ads are: events (Classes) community (Groups)
      When you open the link, the type is displayed about the top left of your screen
      Type: SERVICES is rarely used and is a low priority (until they decide otherwise)
      Type: For Sale, Books are lowest priority and generally are long and tedious lists.
      If you can’t distinguish the blues from the purples: flag from the top down
      Flag as many as you like/can, the dates should give you a clue.
      Ie. Classes : 2 dates means classes run from/to, always aim for the highest dates
      Remember to check the dates recommendations
      There is no point in flagging classes that are ended or ending today or tomorrow.
      Every flag counts. If you can only spare a limited time then FLAG SMART

    • Pierrot

      Here is Dolly’s simple and fast way to flag:

      1 I open all the blues on a page using the scroll wheel in the middle of
      the mouse (or use Ctrl+Click)

      2 ctrl+w to get rid of that page when it is entirely purple

      3 Then, on the first actual ad page, with one hand on the mouse, and the
      cursor poised over the word “prohibited”, click it

      4 The second “flagged” appears, ctrl+w with my other hand –
      this closes that ad

      5 The next tab automatically opens and both hands are in position – one
      on the mouse the other on ctrl+w

      You can do a bunch of them in seconds this way
      I use the same method with Chrome on Linux and Firefox on Windows
      And of course you can do the same for the purple ones.

      • valshifter

        can you put it on video , I did not understand #1 “open all the blue ones on a page? you have to open each one individually how do you open them on a page, the wheel in the middle only lets me scroll up and down on the same ad? I don’t get itpliz do a video pliz pliz

        • Pierrot

          Refresh (F5) the video is up.
          Instead of using the wheel, Keep the Ctrl key pressed down and click all the ads that you want to flag, they will open in a different tab.
          Good luck and thanks for trying it.

          • valshifter

            just saw the vide, but does not talk, just heave metal, and the “Ctrl key pressed down” is totally missed. I guess that’s what you mean by “open all of the blue ones on a page”. will try again

            • valshifter

              got it you actually have to 1 hold the control key while clicking on all the blue ones, they opened up on separate tabs above the tools bars and then 2 mark on prohibited and crl w from there on got it , is a lot easier that way, thanks.

      • valshifter

        OM freaking G, thanks I just did a lot, ouch now am getting carpel tunnel, form clicking so many is 3 seconds, I wonder how long it takes a scientologist to put an ad on? we click them down in minutes. Twin Midget is going to be pissed

      • Pierrot

        READ THIS AND FLAG SMART:
        Of course the ideal would be to flag everything and again later

        RED Xers in a hurry, put off by long lists, casual visitors, Blues only RED Xers.

        Choose some Cities (closest to you, local is better but not mandatory)
        Start with the BLUE Section
        If your chosen cities are not listed today help some other cities

        If you can’t distinguish the blues from the purples: flag from the top down
        Flag as many as you like/can, the dates should give you a clue.

        Every flag counts. If you can only spare a limited time then FLAG SMART

    • Pierrot

      There is a video by Anonimous : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbterDh1AkU

      They keep the mouse on the prohibited field, click flag,
      close the window with Ctrl+w, the next tab opens automatically
      and the mouse is positioned on or close to the “Prohibited”.

      • Pierrot

        From Vistaril himself:
        Vistaril to HillieOnTheBeach • 21 hours ago (2014/06/28 at around 8am edt)

        On a PC, there are various keyboard shortcuts and mouse options to open or close tabs. My preferred option when opening multiple tabs is to hold down the CTRL key and click the left mouse-button. For variation, I just click the middle mouse-button (sometimes a scroll wheel) once and that does the same thing. To close tabs as I go through them, I use the CTRL + W combo (I hold down the CTRL key with my left thumb and then hover my left index finger over the “w” and press as needed).

  • EnthralledObserver

    Is it just me, or does anyone else find Carcha’s admission in the second part of her/his comment at Mike’s really frightening… and a tiny part of me that screams, ‘well, of course they would’?
    “Carcha says

    April 3, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    Thanks for the perspective there. From my experience, I have never had problems with Scientology itself, the philosophyphilosophy, the data, and the tech. All my problems have come from misapplications – and there have been many. From my intelligence, common sense, judgmentjudgment, evaluation, reasoning, study, comparative study, and all … Scientology is correct and invaluable.

    (If anyone would like to help me … I am trying to word-clear the word “compassion”. I have some vague sense that it means “don’t hate people because they are obviously hopelessly stupid and malicious beyond any hope of redemption,” but it doesn’t go much beyond that, and I have trouble making up sentencessentences using the word. I don’t personally feel the word is all that important, but it is in the materials, and I am stuck at that point.)”

    • Frodis73

      I’m with you EO. I had to read it 3x to make sure I was reading it right. I’m so tired, or I’d say more…let’s just say I’m speechless & frightened. lol.

    • Narapoid

      Horrifying. This poor soul is applying “the tech” and cognitive dissonance is showing through. Word clear compassion…

      This may be the most haunting and telling post I have ever read. Thanks for sharing EO

    • Tory Christman

      Well, to me (having watched this happen many, many times)…this is one of two things:
      a) “Someone” intentionally trying to create the exact effect that was created: Fear.
      What is the purpose of this? 1) Distraction and 2) Covertly putting down the Indies. (ya gotta admit
      the poster *sounds* pretty bad).
      or
      b) A very sad soul.
      Re “compassion”? Saying they don’t know what that means..and their definition is the key to the poster
      being a fraud. 1st paragraph—very well written (even if I disagree w/most of it). 2nd paragraph? Sounds like a totally different person writing it.
      My 2 cents on Friday night 🙂
      Tory/Magoo

  • Jimmy3

    “They took your life. They could not take your pride.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=sxFY861LR2E

  • valshifter

    I got a new name for Miscavige, “Twin Midget”. forgive me if is already on, it just occurred to me.

  • Peter Robinson

    One for those lists of names.

    David Miscavige = The Shortarse Shyster

  • DodoTheLaser

    Resorting to someone’s physical disadvantages is not in my nature, even when dealing with a bully.
    However, if the bully is criminally insane and a certified villain, I guess almost everything goes.

    With that said (refresh):

    • Patrik Axelsson

      I agree, now that I know he’s that short I feel really bad for him. 155cm is just 8cm short of the medical definition of dwarfism. I think he’d qualify for mildly disabled even.

      Still a monster though.

    • Bella Legosi

      Hey! Don’t feel bad for feeling like you are picking on someone shorter than you. I am the same height and speaking from experience; us Tiny But Crazy are used to the jokes! And I am a girl. It’s worse for boys! Fuck that insane midget! You have my permission to J&D! Hold nothing back. He is a vile cult leader who abuses staff. Flame on, Dodo Sir, and never feel bad for it!

  • Barbara Angel

    155cm, I didn’t know they stacked shit that high?????

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    EDIT: Wrong date, sorry!

  • dagobarbz

    And here I’ve been giving DM an extra angry inch all these years by saying he’s 5’2!
    Wow…I think even Ida Camburn would have towered over the mighty mite! And me, at 5’4″ would actually be able to literally look down on him! (Ida was one of the few people I knew who was shorter than me)