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—————- In anticipation of her biggest day in court yet, Laura DeCrescenzo and her attorneys hit the Church of Scientology with 928 pages of new filings —————- Details from 18,000 pages of evidence show how Scientology manipulated a child to keep her working under slave-like conditions —————- A key document describing DeCrescenzo’s unwillingness to have her coerced abortion is missing from the evidence Scientology was ordered to produce By Tony Ortega Wednesday afternoon, Laura DeCrescenzo filed explosive new information in her four-year legal odyssey against the Church of Scientology, submitting 928 pages of new declarations and exhibits in anticipation of a crucial October 23 hearing in her lawsuit against the church which alleges abuse, including allegations that she was forced to have an abortion at only 17 years of age. Key to the new filings is information gleaned from thousands of pages of previously secret files that the church fought mightily to keep under wraps. But on Monday, the U.

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DOX: Monique Rathbun’s response to bid by Scientology to stop the Miscavige deposition

Leslie Hyman, rock star

Leslie Hyman, rock star


On Friday, we broke the big news that Comal County Judge Dib Waldrip had denied Scientology’s convoluted ‘anti-SLAPP’ motion which had upended Monique Rathbun’s harassment lawsuit against the church over the past few months.

What we failed to point out, however, is how central to Waldrip’s 25-page order was an argument that had been forwarded by Monique’s attorney Leslie Hyman. It was Hyman who argued to Waldrip that Scientology couldn’t both want protection as a business (in a trademark dispute) and as a religion (in a free speech fight).

That argument turned out to be a motion-killer, as Waldrip agreed with Hyman and said that as long as Scientology acted like a business trying to crush the competition (Monique’s husband Marty offering non-sanctioned Scientology counseling), then the anti-SLAPP statute didn’t apply to them.

It was a brilliant piece of lawyering, and now, we get to see Leslie Hyman in action again.

Yesterday, she filed Monique’s response to the Texas Third Court of Appeals, where Scientology has petitioned for a writ of mandamus, asking the appeals court to find that Judge Waldrip had abused his discretion by granting Monique the right to depose Scientology leader David Miscavige.

We know this case is complex for non-lawyers, so we’ll try carefully to explain where we are before diving into the 48-page document itself.

Monique filed her lawsuit in August, alleging that Scientology and its leader, David Miscavige, had put her through several years of harassment simply because her husband, Mark “Marty” Rathbun, was a former high-level church official who, in 2009, began speaking out critically about his former boss. Monique herself had never been a member of Scientology, but for four years she’d been spied on, endured daily demonstrations outside her home, and put up with church-hired private investigators confronting her friends and family, telling them frightening things about Marty.

She sued a couple of church entities, Miscavige, and has also named a couple of private investigators and other operatives as defendants. But Miscavige and the entity he nominally runs, the Religious Technology Center (RTC) filed “special appearances,” arguing that the court had no jurisdiction over them. Miscavige has had nothing whatsoever to do with Texas and shouldn’t be part of a lawsuit there, his attorneys argued.

Monique convinced Judge Waldrip that in order to resolve that dispute, she should have the right to question Miscavige directly. She convinced Waldrip by providing voluminous evidence, in the form of affidavits by former church officials, that a complex surveillance operation like the one aimed at the Rathbuns would never happen without the intimate knowledge of and micro-managing by Miscavige.

After Waldrip found that Miscavige should be deposed in order to decide the question of jurisdiction, Miscavige petitioned the Third Court of Appeals for a writ that would overturn Waldrip’s order. Our legal experts have pointed out that this is, in essence, Scientology suing Judge Waldrip, and they’ll be trying to convince an appellate panel of three judges that Waldrip abused his discretion by allowing the deposition to be scheduled.

In her response, Leslie Hyman writes on behalf of Monique that Judge Waldrip was correct in ordering the deposition of Miscavige, and that Scientology has mostly tried to confuse the issue with arguments that have nothing to do with the point of the lawsuit.

[Scientology does] not even attempt to show how the trial court reached a decision “so arbitrary and unreasonable as to amount to a clear and prejudicial error of law.” They fail to cite a single case holding that a trial court abused its discretion by ordering a named defendant to sit for a jurisdictional deposition.

Instead, [Scientology spends] much of [its] Petition discussing a “media-driven” religious or ecclesiastical dispute between the Church of Scientology and Mrs. Rathbun’s husband, Marty Rathbun. Mrs. Rathbun does not deny that her husband and the Church have had disagreements about Mr. Miscavige’s behavior as the leader of the Church. Unfortunately for [Scientology's] petition before this Court, and notwithstanding their 99 uses of forms of the terms “religion” and “ecclesiastic,” this case is not about a religious dispute.

After restating the facts of the case, Hyman then zeroes in on one of Scientology’s main arguments for its appeal — that asking a CEO like Miscavige to sit for questioning is what is known as an “apex deposition,” and is often the way plaintiffs try to leverage big settlements out of opponents.

But Hyman says the “apex deposition” argument doesn’t apply because David Miscavige, in this lawsuit, is a named defendant, not just the leader of a corporation that happens to be in court.

And not only is Miscavige named in the suit, Monique has already provided voluminous evidence that a surveillance operation like the “Squirrel Busters” couldn’t have happened without Miscavige’s knowledge and approval.

The fact that Miscavige and RTC may have acted through intermediaries in hiring, directing, instructing, and communicating with the operatives is jurisdictionally irrelevant. Mrs. Rathbun presented the trial court with evidence that Mr. Miscavige is the absolute, unquestioned authority in Scientology’s activities, and that he, and only he, decides who is an enemy to be attacked.

Hyman also handles Scientology’s religious freedom arguments, pointing out that Miscavige shouldn’t escape a deposition on religious grounds when the dispute itself — Monique’s harassment — is not a religious matter.

(It’s also fascinating to see Hyman refer to numerous past Scientology legal conflicts, and actually quote from the court’s findings in Wollersheim.)

At the end, Hyman lets loose with this humdinger…

[Scientology describes] Mrs. Rathbun’s desire to take a defendant’s deposition as a quest for the holy grail…[Scientology's] description of Mrs. Rathbun’s claims and the relevance of the deposition to this suit bears as much resemblance to reality as Monty Python and the Holy Grail bears to the historical description of the chalice of the Last Supper. The Church’s version of the central facts of the dispute between it and Marty Rathbun is simply irrelevant to Mrs. Rathbun’s complaints of stalking, harassment, and other tortious behavior.

We look forward to your observations of this fascinating document.

 

Monique Rathbun v. Scientology: Response to Petition for Writ of Mandamus

 
Oral arguments at the Court of Appeal are scheduled for April 9. But remember, this dispute is solely about deposing David Miscavige as jurisdictional discovery to help resolve the “special appearance” issue.

 
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  • Jgg2012

    btw, in appealing factual findings like Waldrip’s findings here or in the SLAPP case, the appellate court must find that he was clearly erroneous. This is a high standard, and rarely occurs. I have only seen it occur when a trial judge ignores and fails to consider a significant piece of evidence. In appealing a legal issue, the standard is low–the appellate court can simply say “we disagree about the law” as they can consider it de novo.

    • 1subgenius

      And “consider” has tremendous significance itself. I lost a case at trial and won on appeal based on that single word.
      Although the judge recited the facts, he did not “consider” them in the sense of explaining why they were rejected.
      Having to truly “consider” evidence injects mandatory minimal rationality to the process. In fact forcing the judge to actually think. Every single word is important.

  • Sejanus

    The best part about reading her submission and response is how Hyman essentially states that had $cientology not had such crummy liars in depositions that were trying to cover for Dildo Mcruntage, then there would not have been questions about needing more information. Basically, his legion of devotees…..screwed him by not being able to lie well enough….>LOLZ. pg 17-18

    • Missionary Kid
      • Obviously

        Do you have a plan for these lists? Hopefully they at least end up as appendices in a post-Scientology exposé/bestseller/prize winner. I think an anthology would be a good, next addition to the canon, with contributions from a dozen or so authors with unique perspectives on and experiences with this cult.

        • Missionary Kid

          There really isn’t enough meat and potatoes to the lists to stand alone. Added to someone else’s work, it might be good.

    • Obviously

      Quality trumps quantity.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Proof LRH comm tech works, wog courts don’t believe us! WOOT!”

  • Observer

    ..

    • SignsOfDuress

      ..Salt and Peppa’s Here!

      • Observer

        Are those goat legs hanging down from the horse’s chest thingy??

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          good eye, Obs. what the hell IS that? We need our goat expert in here….Calling Espi to the Bunker phone.

          • Jimmy3

            It’s the horse’s hind legs.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You know, I do need new glasses.

            • SignsOfDuress

              lol

            • Observer

              You aren’t the only one!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Don’t feel bad. I turned the photo in to Picasso effects and zoom and Still didn’t get it.
              I’m at the age where drinking improves my eyesight. Wasn’t planning on an after dinner appertif, but reconsidering. it was a good for a laugh.

            • SignsOfDuress

              Maybe just some vitamins…(pic)

            • SignsOfDuress

              ..pic

            • 3feetback-of-COS

              … …. and the horse you rode in on.

          • Observer

            I zoomed in, and it IS a pair of goat legs! WTF?

            EDIT: so of course party pooper Jimmy has to chime in and ruin the illusion with his facts. But it does look like a pair of goat legs.

            • Jimmy3

              I am NOT a party pooper! It happens one fricken time and you spend your whole life trying to live it down. Ugh.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Just don’t tell Espi. I wanna hear what he says.

            • Espiando

              Scientology is creating its own version of Greek mythology with its horse/goat Siamese twin. Let’s call him Ron.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Like. Those two creatures to the right of the horse though, it’s like watching two movies on the same screen at the same time. It’s just wrong.

            • Espiando

              So, we have Ron the Horse-Goat Siamese Creature, Kanye West, and a 14th Century drag queen. How’s this different from an average Fellini film?

        • Obviously

          I’ve long been an admirer of your work… but goat legs? Lol, dude (if I may call you that). That’s a pretty weird conclusion to jump to.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You say that like weird is a bad thing.

            • Obviously

              Oh, I’m all for weird, but, well… I mean… severed goat limbs? On a horse chest thingy? Sure, now I see it, but my first thought, given that I was looking at a horse, was equine hind legs.

              Actually had a bad experience with goat at an Ethiopian restaurant in DC. Dropped a big blob of yummy feyell wat on my shirt and had to sit through Dinner With Important New People with a big stain on my boob.

              (Irrelevant, but still makes me laugh.)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Okay, I have a better answer. It’s not that we’re weird, or need glasses, we just have artistic eyes and see the world a little differently. (How’s that, Obs?) Just had dinner so I’m going to pretend I didn’t see the restaurant sentence.

              http://i.imgur.com/dgLyfnGs.jpg

            • Obviously

              Perfectly reasonable. (And there’s always tomorrow night’s dinner! At least for those of us lucky enough to know that there will always be a “tomorrow night’s dinner.”)

              (oh, and edit to add: I completely don’t get the point of the pixelated Lincoln picture)

          • Observer

            There’s stranger things than that in Scientology …

      • 1subgenius

        I am barely restraining myself from making an Alfreddie-as-lawn jockey joke.
        It would be wrong. Wouldn’t it?

        • Mooser

          “I am barely restraining myself from making an Alfreddie-as-lawn jockey joke.”

          I’m worse than you. I made a reference to the Emma Lazarus poem, “The New Colossus” in a comment about Wallace Jefferson. I wondered whether he was ambitious to “lift his lamp beside Scientology’s golden door.”

      • Eivol Ekdal

        The horse looks ready to eat Alfreddie’s scarf.

  • Jimmy3

    I don’t read the comments here so I’m unsure if this has been linked yet, but Radar has a new article up about Carmen Llywelyn.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/03/jason-lee-ex-carmen-llywelyn-fights-back-scientology/

  • aegerprimo

    It’s like Deja Vu in the Bunker with the Radar Online links.

    • Jimmy3

      They must have cut the hard-line.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      No sign of 4FCigar yet either

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Look down farther.

      • Christopher

        I wonder if he got in trouble for not being able to ‘handle’ me earlier today. I miss him. :)

        • Christopher

          He gave up battling me shortly after I cornered him with the Liar Paradox.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        His “dog” showed up and utterly flustered him. He started flagging comments, the pathetic loon.

  • Mark

    I bet Davy’s feeling flat today… (refresh):

    • Mooser

      One of your best, and I don’t like shoops on principle. But gosh, that one is appealing!

      • Natalia 2.0

        What principle is that? Just curious.

        • Mooser

          I don’t dislike like shoops that much, what I despise are typographical emoticons. I like words. I only dislike shoops because I worry they will turn into typographical emoticons. Somebody has to, or it won’t get done. And then where would we be?

          • Jimmy3

            :(

          • Natalia 2.0

            I understand. You don’t want to return to the days of signs with only pictures and no words because everyone is illiterate.

    • Captain Howdy

      You’re definitely on a roll today.

      • Mark

        Well, I get steamed up.

    • OrangySky

      Bravo, Mark!

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      OMG! OMG! OMG! Love it, love it, love it!

      Oh BTW, did I tell how much I love this shoop?

      I’ve been saying all year that I have a gut feeling that it will be a woman who will outwit the witless, misogynist Dear Leader. Now, THAT would be justice! Who knows, it could be Monique or Laura along with their female lawyer (such as Leslie Hyman?) or someone other woman who is standing in the wings ready to blow Int Base, Flag, the Hole, etc. and will come forward with the necessary dox. Man oh man, how I wish it could be Diana Hubbard or Shelly Miscavige. Sigh. I know, I know…

      I’ve saved this shoop because I lov… Oh, I already told you that. If I ever use repost it, I promise to give you credit. If I forget to, just remind me not very nicely or simply steamroll over me. I will have deserved it. Great job. It is so vivid and alive. I’d love to see it animated and in 3D. But it fabulous as it is. Thanks.

  • N. Graham

    I think the Monty Python reference in the court docs should be enough to establish Monty Python as the official Bunker comedy troupe.

    • media_lush

      tweeted Eric Idle ….

      • Eclipse-girl

        Can’t wait to see his reply.

    • Mooser

      “to establish Monty Python as the official Bunker comedy troupe.”

      Great idea! As long as it’s not The Eagles.

      • N. Graham

        I’ve got to say I’ve never seen anyone confuse Monty Python with the Eagles although I bet they influenced the Dead Parrots.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    I always hate to post links that take eyeballs off this site but I just re-read Tony’s Village Voice fascinating and well laid out (7,000+ words!) story on the complex Wollersheim decades long court case against the Co$. It is fascinating and informative on so many levels and it is a great template or blueprint against which to understand Monique Rathbun’s case with greater clarity. IANAL and I am not very familar with U.S. laws (tax laws, federal vs state court laws or court proceedings, the US Constitution and its various Amendments, etc.) but it seems to me that by reading this brilliant overview of the Wollersheim case and the {church’s} response to it over a 30 year period, it makes it easier to understand and anticipate the Co$ legal strategies in Monique’s case.

    By reading about the Wollersheim case, keeping up with Tony’s blog, reading Marty’s recent blog posts that reveal confidential Hubbard’s policies and OSA directives, and Mike Rinder’s recent post naming the private investigators and OSA operatives used in Fair Gaming (i.e., blackmailing and extortion) through the years, it makes it easier to anticipate and predict the {church’s} next legal posturings with greater reliability – as it is all based on LRH’s “scripture.” It is doubly interesting to see that Leslie Hyman managed to bring up Wollersheim in Monique’s case. She is a rock star indeed!

    This is the link to Tony’s 2008 Village Voice story about the Wollersheim case. It is titled, “Scientology’s Crushing Defeat.” What are fabulous good read. Tony did a great job of explaining in plain English the legal complexities and issues in this long drawn out case. It probably is the most significant court case to date and it was just a matter of time before it was revisited. I encourage everyone who is new to the Bunker or $ci watching to read it. I don’t understand why it didn’t win an award in journalism; or perhaps it did and I’m not aware of it. In any case, it reads like a long, cool drink and it sure ratchets up the anticipation for the next one, especially in the form of his book!

    On June 6, 2008, Tony introduced his story this way:

    “Six years ago, when I was a reporter at New Times LA, I’d written several stories about Scientology (Los Angeles is one of its headquarters), and I was about to uncork the longest one yet—a 7,000 word piece about an embarrassing, $8 million defeat Scientology had just suffered, when the weekly paper suddenly folded. That unpublished story has been sitting in storage ever since. Fast forward to 2008, and the world of reporting on Scientology has changed radically, thanks in part to the lunacy of Tom Cruise, but also in part to a worldwide, leaderless movement that calls itself Anonymous. Ravenous for any information about L. Ron Hubbard’s strange organization, Anonymous scours the world for the least tidbit about Scientology. Well, here was a pretty meaty morsel just sitting in my hard drive. It’s still a substantial bit of reporting, and it fills in some gaps in the historical record of one of the most humiliating court losses Scientology has ever suffered. Originally scheduled to be printed in October 2002, the piece follows. (It’s unchanged except for updates in[brackets].) This material may come as a revelation to some readers, but even for the know-it-alls at Anonymous, there are juicy bites.”

    Enjoy: http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-06-24/news/Scientologys-Crushing-Defeat/full

    • aquaclara

      thanks!

    • Mark

      Let’s hope it doesn’t take Monique thirty years to get “one thin dime” out of the lying swine.

      • ze moo

        If the ‘no surveillance’ order is in effect for 30 years, I would like that. I’ll like it even more when the judge says, “guilty” .

        • Mark

          That’d be something. But they owe Monique. Big time. And the Garcias, and Laura DeCrescenzo, and quite a few others patiently waiting for their day in court…

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        At the end of Tony’s story, Wollersheim said this, ” [...] hopes, his victory will encourage others to leave Miscavige’s fold and expose it for what it is. I blazed the trail,” he says. “Now others are going to come and turn it into a four-lane highway.”

        Well, he may just have blazed a trail except no had the courage nor the resources to attempt to pick up the path where it faded off. Maybe Leslie Hyman will be the next to cut through the underbrush and clear the trail that will lead out of the corporate maze of $cientology. I just don’t know how this will all go down. I’m sure there will be a lot of twists and turns and smoke and mirrors for years to come – as much as I wish otherwise for the Rathbuns and all the other former members and those under the radar who are watching this case so closely.

        I think one thing to be on the look out for, if there’s any possibility of that, is if Miscavige tries to restructure all the corporations again and empty out CSI’s bank account and “bankrupt” it like he did for CSC in Wollersheim’s case, especially now that CSI offered to pay its way out of this latest case and was thrown under the bus by RTC, (Anyway I think it’s CSI and not CST – would have to revisit Tony’s posts about this case to tell you for sure. But I’ve been eating corporate $cientology’s alphabet soup all afternoon and I don’t think I have the stomach to look at another one of their friggin’ acronyms.)

        • Mark

          I think it’ll be much harder for Miscavige to cheat now: Wollersheim was before Internet scrutiny of corporate shenanigans, there’s now more than one high-profile and complex legal case for DM to micromanage – by applying Hubbard’s original legal delaying tactics incompetently – tactics poor Wollersheim still had to contend with, as his case started when LRH was still alive and before Davy had really got his claws lodged in the Co$.

    • Unex Skcus

      Although I’d read this when Tony first published the article, it was well worth re-reading. :)

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Yeah, that’s what I thought too. Thanks.

        Let’s keep our fingers crossed and see what other legal threads our new legal heroine, Leslie Hyman et all, can pull out of the Wollersheim case.

        If he is still alive, he must be following Monique’s case pretty closely I would think.

  • WhamBham

    Hello…I really don’t mean to bug you guys…but please comment if you can. The higher the comments, the more they will continue their “Scientology Under Siege” articles…

    ok, thanks.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/03/jason-lee-ex-carmen-llywelyn-fights-back-scientology/

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      FYI;When dealing w/”J Cigar” Put his quote above you as he goes in later and erases his so the thread makes no sense.

      • WhamBham

        aah, got it. thx.

      • BumpIt McCarthy

        Good policy, if you just have to engage him. Talking over and around him works well too. All he wants is for the conversation to be about his own dull trollish self, so constantly going back to the real subject not only settles his hash, but gets him where he lives — under the bridge.

        I know it’s tempting to belabor him about the head with the cudgel of one’s wit, and Lord knows I’ve done it, but it’s pointless. There’s no arguing with an indefatigable troll, and it only delights him.

        • Jeff’s Dog

          I just poop in his shoes.

  • aegerprimo

    Help stop the spread of Scientology and flag Co$ ads on Craigslist.

    RED X the ads and thank you for your help.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-63#post-2435984

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Follow this link to a good piece by Tony on Raw Story. You can ignore my silly comments.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/17/adam-muema-tells-raw-story-why-he-gave-up-nfl-dream-for-youtube-prophet-lord-rayel/

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Oh geez, that Lord Rayel video sounds like the other insane, deluded messiah that we are all familiar with here, doesn’t he? His fake accent, overly dramatic presentation, his monologue, etc., sounds just like the Hubbard in the Co$ videos. Even the music sounds like it was lifted off an IAS event video.

      I sure hope Adam Muema gets his head examined. And I’m not trying to be funny. I really think he is having some kind of psychotic breakdown as a result of his head injury. I hope he can get help soon.

      Tony, as usual, is so good at these type of interviews. His humanity and compassion always shines through.

      Thanks for the link.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        He needs to give us a heads-up when he writes on other sites… I feel like we were cheated on ;)

        • D.Y.G.

          That other site is his paying gig. We’re “the other woman”.

          • Bradley Greenwood

            I feel dirty and used. But that’s okay, my first wife did a better job…and it cost me thousands of dollars.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Do you read the tweets on the left side?

          • Bradley Greenwood

            Alas, I am poor at paying attention to the running tweets :(

            • Eclipse-girl

              Every morning TonyO tweets about the Bunker and about RawStory.

      • RMycroft

        RayEl huh? Did he arrive on Earth in a space rocket wearing blue and red underoos like KalEl?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m pretty sure the answer is yes indeedy.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          As one of his videos warn, “It’s unwise to mock the Lord’s graciousness…”

          You’ve been warned. Hang on to your underoos!

          • RMycroft

            Bah! Come July 5th, 1998, we’ll see who’s laughing.

        • Bradley Greenwood

          I may be prejudiced, but a DC-8 looking rocket ship is way cooler.

          • Missionary Kid

            IMO, a DC-8 looking rocket ship is just flat out dumb. It’s anachronistic technology.

            • Bradley Greenwood

              Are you trying to say LRH used that design because it “happened” to be a familiar thing to see in the air at that time? You sir, are a cynic.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. I grew up on the marvelous illustrations of Chesley Bonestell, who illustrated excellent predicted journeys into space. Also, Willey Ley’s Rockets, Missiles and Space Travel, and the Disneyland show, Men In Space.

              lrh didn’t know shit. As far as he’s concerned, I’m always a cynic.

        • Captain Howdy

          That’s just bizzaro.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Ya think?

            Have you looked at his youtube channel “ChristHasRisen?” (I know, i know, but I had to ask, just in case…)

            And sorry but I refuse to paste the link, out of respect to our proprietor. Hope you understand.

            Anyway, in one of his videos he promises to give out this energy device in 2015 to 44 cities – not 40, not 45, but exactly 44! May you be so blessed as to live in one of his chosen ones, Capt’n.

            At least it looks more interesting than L. Con’s e-meter. I don’t have much room so I hope it’s not as big as it looks. Hope it fits in a suitcase or a breadbox, at least.

            • kemist

              Our good ol’ LRoon had designed a computer.

              I’m betting the Lord’s “Quadrature motor” has about the same odds of being functional as LRoon’s computer.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              I think LRoon was ahead of his time. He was waiting for the return of Lord Rayel and his invention to complete the full “energy device” thingy. We just need to attach LRoon’s computer to it, get the two pieces of hardware handshaking, and we’re in business! But first, I suppose we’ll need to check out if our Lord has taken out a patent on this baby.

              Imagine the possibilities! If we attach the computer to the e-meter and then attach the Prometheus Quadrature Motor to those two pieces, we could roto-root off hundreds, if not thousands, of BT clusters at a time! Imagine the production stats coming out of the Idle Morgues then! And the money just flowing in like rivers of gold. Ahhhh…

            • Captain Howdy

              I as far as I can tell, it should work.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Yea, but who needs another motorized paint mixer or potato masher?

            • Jimmy3

              A year ago I might have believed that he is Jesus and that he has given us a Jesus Machine. But I’ve been informed by Fox News that Jesus is white. So.. Nice try, jerk.

              Edited out most of the stupid, missed the rest.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Relax and drink a little Jesus Juice (or a lot), a la Michael Jackson. You’ll feel better in the morning.

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t know what you mean by that, but “Nice try, jerk” was in re: Ray-El, or whatever his name is, and not you.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Oh Jimmy3, sorry, I thought Jesus Juice was a well-known phrase. I’ll explain. Do you remember when Michael Jackson was going through those pedophilia charges? Well, some of the young boys were interviewed on TV, and it was repeated in print, that Jackson used to put wine in soda cans and tell the young boys to drink it because it was “Jesus Juice.” To be more accurate, he supposedly called white wine “Jesus Juice” and red wine “Jesus Blood.” He supposedly told the boys at Neverland Ranch that since Jesus drank wine, it was OK from them to do so as well.

              All that to say, I never forgot that expression and when you referred to a “Jesus Machine,” it made me think of “Jesus Juice.” I was simply trying to tease you by telling you to forget about Lord Ray-El and have a glass of wine, or whatever, and carry on enjoying your evening. That’s all. (I probably should have just shut up and had a little Jesus Juice myself. :-)

              And BTW, I knew you referring to wacko Ray-El as the jerk and not me. No MU’s here. Have a good night.

            • Jimmy3

              I know about Jesus Juice, I drinks it myself out of my sippy cup! I thought maybe you had taken my reply the wrong way and I’m glad that’s not the case. Cheers.

            • DamOTclese2

              ROFL! Half of these insane “magnet motors” believers are frothingly insane, the other have are crooks who know it’s a fraud.

              “Run you car on water!”

            • kemist

              Electrical induction motors already have permanent magnets.

              They have existed for decades, and we’ll probably end up with cars that use them. But they’ll have to come from China since the most powerful permanent magnets have as one of their core components rare-earth metals – a resource on which China has a monopoly right now.

              Electrical induction motors, even if much more efficient than explosion engines, don’t “create” energy (nothing does).

              This is a case of “fucking magnets, how do they work ?” from retarded high school dropouts with delusions of intelligence.

            • RMycroft

              The BREAKTHROUGH that THEY don’t want you to KNOW about .. because it’s stupid.

      • Buttons72

        I agree about Muema. I’m concerned about that kid.

    • D.Y.G.

      Seems like he either has a TBI or other mental health issues. I hope this kid doesn’t end up like Maurice Clarett.

      • Jimmy3

        As a kid I met Maurice Clarett at a Winking Lizard, while he was still on the team. He autographed a napkin for me and messed up my hair. I’ve always rooted for that guy. What a bummer, tho.

        • D.Y.G.

          I feel bad for him to this day, even though I believe he also had to face the consequences of his behavior. It all kind of clicked for me when I read he suffered from severe undiagnosed depression. Didn’t have a good support network to guide him – not that he himself blames anyone else. I think by the time all the criminal stuff started going down, he just didn’t give a damn anymore.

          • Jimmy3

            I feel the same way. It’s a shame that he threw away his golden opportunity. Behind all the thuggery is a good person, or at least that’s what I like to believe, anyways. Did you see the 30 For 30 “Youngstown Boys”?

            Edit: edited.

            • D.Y.G.

              Yes, I saw that. I thought it was good, even though it got a lot of criticism for inaccuracy and one-sided perspective.

    • Obviously

      Wish I could have ignored the Pat Robertson “Your lack of forgiveness caused your cancer” story.

      • kemist

        I normally don’t wish cancer on anyone because I’ve seen it up close, but there is something about that dried-up old god-soaked, self-righteous, misogynistic bastard that would make it a fitting end for him.

        With no morphine.

        • Obviously

          Robertson and the 700 Club were my first “crazy religion” obsession. Fascinating, horrifying, and, strangely, all about money. Surprise surprise.

          • Troy MacGyver SP
            • Obviously

              I’m sorry, but oh my god. Whiskey Tango fucking Foxtrot. Mortgage due, kids hungry, bank account empty? Well of course the only sensible thing to do is send us money you can’t afford to lose or maybe don’t even have! God will heap financial blessings upon you. Show God that you are no doubting, faithless pantywaist. Do your part for our ministry and allow God to do His part in your wretched existence. Seriously, do it. Do it right now.

              Gene Scott. his creepy wife, and his ill-fitting dentures. Can’t think of an appropriate punchline, this guy is his own punchline. http://youtu.be/KRzMtlZjXpU?t=4m25s

      • GalacticGreg

        It’s ‘women’s lack of forgiveness causes women’s cancer’ – Pat Robertson dementia-on-television

        • Obviously

          And what sin could possibly warrant Jack and Rexella Van Impe (she’s nearly lifelike, bless her pickled heart) and their crazypants website and teevee show? Just say no to drugs, kids!

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        I was perplexed Pat was still with us.

        • Missionary Kid

          He’s just a tarted up version of Fred Phelps, IMO.

        • Obviously

          Barely with us. And when this good and faithful servant lowers his burden down, son Gordon is there to pick it right back up and run with it. Amen, praise God, glory hallelujah, keep sending money.

  • BumpIt McCarthy

    24 minutes old, this los Angeles ad:
    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/ats/4381246274.html

    Quick Henry, the Fli — um, Redex!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Mmm mmm!
      Done

      • BumpIt McCarthy

        If you thought that was yummy, you’ll love this bunch:

        http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cls/4377855615.html

        The first eight are freshly….dropped?

        • Panopea Abrupta

          So much snacking tonight, mmm

        • Sunny Sands

          So sad they prey on the families of ill people, and young entertainers looking for validation.

    • aegerprimo

      RED Xed (and what a dorky photo.)

      • aegerprimo

        I mean the ad photo, not the RED X graphic.

  • Obviously

    What if any of this applies to Miscavige?

    From http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

    Can. 332 §1. The Roman Pontiff obtains full and supreme power in the Church by his acceptance of legitimate election together with episcopal consecration. Therefore, a person elected to the supreme pontificate who is marked with episcopal character obtains this power from the moment of acceptance. If the person elected lacks episcopal character, however, he is to be ordained a bishop immediately.

    • Jgg2012

      It does within Scientology, but a religion does not get to have its own legal system. Davey is still subject to secular US laws.

      • Missionary Kid

        The CC tried to get around the laws about reporting child abuse in the U.S., and it cost them dearly. Yes, I know that most of the actions were taken against them were in civil trials, but individual bishops have had criminal actions taken against them.

    • grundoon

      Catholic canon law does not apply to Miscavige.

      • Obviously

        So he just gets to call himself Pope? Arbitrarily? Claim the benefits of another religion’s rules with none of the responsibilities? But that would make the title meaningless and irrelevant to any court case. ;-)

  • outraged

    Did someone post the stupid new suit by Little Davey? Mr. Miscarriage of Justice and Every Crime Imaginable is going down. He is now suing the use of the internet. Before you know it someone will be sued for talking about Scientology without permission within 4,000 miles of his celestial body.

    http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/cops-bloggers/

    • Eclipse-girl

      I would assume this will be laughed out of court.

      • outraged

        There are SO many of these that are not laughed out of court. It is unbelievable and a telling vision of the stupidity and corruption of the american court system.

        • Sunny Sands

          Ryan Hogarth and the attorney’s office are both in South Africa.

          • outraged

            good thing.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      I hope it won’t be laughed out of court.

      This is interesting.
      They really don’t get the Streisand Effect, do they?

      Read down in the comments – there is a retired journalist called Travers E Harris who has posted his comment all in caps.
      He will go public with HIS story if the “Church” persists.

      Big win, Davey boy, big big win.

      Better than Bulawayo.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I hope he writes his story.
        That would be wonderful to get out in the open.

      • outraged

        Star Magazine is joining the fray!! Mr. Harris has connections.

        • D.Y.G.

          He’s referring to a Star newspaper in South Africa.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist
        • Panopea Abrupta

          TY, THDNE
          He’s really threatening to pull his media connections if they persist.

          WWP is one thing.
          Mass media in SA is another.

          Lil Davey really is conjuring up a perfect storm , heh heh.

        • D.Y.G.

          So he’s a long time out. I wonder how old the information he’s threatening to disclose is. It isn’t going to be beneficial at all if it’s not relatively current, and the threat of disclosure won’t thwart any lawsuits that are brewing here.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Not sure how long exactly he’s been out, but it’s the Court of Public Opinion that will siphon off the flow of new cash and slave recruits. And that court is held in media spotlight.

            • D.Y.G.

              That’s a good thing, of course. I just don’t think the threat of disclosure of information that is 25 years or more old will frighten the Co$ into not attacking the people who run the SA blog.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Guess it depends on what he’s been doing these Last 25 years, hah.

            • D.Y.G.

              Now I’m wondering if he got a pre-interwebz mail order dildo courtesy of the “church”.

      • Jimmy3

        I read that and was slightly annoyed that a message I really like was written in all caps. I hope he did that only so it would stand out.

    • Observer

      This is a just a cease and desist letter–the Clampire is trying to scare them into shutting down the blog.

      • D.Y.G.

        Interesting to note that the letter demands that Ryan Hogarth “identify any and all individuals associated with the blog besides yourself”.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Ironic when they so fragrantly steal other people’s work and marks to embellish their con come-on flyers, innit?

  • http://www.Scientology.Org/ Tommy Davis

    Oh! You bigots! are going to be sorry! REAL sorry! We’re going to dress up in little toy Nazi uniforms and protest Judge Waldrip’s religious bigotry against us, just you wait and see! There will be 10,000 Scientologists at least crammed packed in the court room. REAL crammed packed!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      All the BigOT’s gonna be there, Tommy?

      Every $cilon in North America ? You said 10,000.

      Even Shelly?

      • DamOTclese2

        That would be amusing. Shelly dressed in a Nazi uniform screaming at police protecting the wogs across the street to save her, she’s been kidnapped for seven years, come save me!

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Shades of the Symbionese Army for sure about Shelly.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I’m gonna tell people about what you did to me in boy scout camp. Did Anne teach you to swallow?

    • SvenBoogie

      *clam packed

    • Tory Christman

      Like I said……………..”Tommy Davis”:

    • FromPolandWithLove

      And what if air condition in court room will be broken? I hope Judge Waldrip likes clam chowder ;p

    • DamOTclese2

      If Scientology actually worked, real Scientology owners / operators would not have to play Dress-Up like like little girls.

  • media_lush

    new post up… here’s a little snippet explaining what’s happened to Cruise

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • media_lush

      …. looks like another scion celeb marriage is in trouble (Ribisi & Deyn)

      • media_lush

        and his bit on Connor Cruise and Nicole

    • GalacticGreg

      That’s the best $ci-Bollocks so far: great post!

  • media_lush

    new post up… here’s a little snippet explaining what’s happened to Cruise

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

  • Jgg2012

    btw, not only does Davey know about the Squirrel Busters, but it appears that he is the only top official that does. No one from Scientology stepped forward and said “I run the daily affairs”. No one said “I sent the squirrel busters in”. At least two people who were deposed said they almost never see Davey (so how could they know if he was involved or not?). A third, Tommy (now Thomas) Davis skirted the issue and complained about Marty, who is not a party. Period. Hyman should stress this in oral argument.

    • SvenBoogie

      I find it incredibly likely that lil’ davey will designate a martyr and claim all the responsibility lies with them.

      • Jgg2012

        Someone with lots of freeloader debt?

        • SvenBoogie

          More likely someone with lots of juicy auditing confessions they can blackmail them with.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Davey’s going to set up JT as the fall guy? :p

            • aegerprimo

              I don’t see it. JT is a public Scientologist, he is not in the Sea Org.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Haha… I was joking. ;)

            • aegerprimo

              Sometimes sarcasm goes over my head.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I usually leave a clue in the form of a ;) :p OR { }… but I’ll forgive you. ;)

            • Eclipse-girl

              Same with me.

          • Jgg2012

            John Travolta? Anyway, what often happens in a trial is this: Plaintiff wants to depose Mr. CEO about X. Defendant says “he’s not available, but Tom, Dick and Harry know about it.” You depose Tom, Dick and Harry and they say “I know nothing about it–Mr. CEO handles that.” At this point the Plaintiff’s lawyer will demand that he depose Mr. CEO about X, and may ask the court to order it, given what has already happened.

      • Captain Howdy

        He should just get Heber to make a taped deposition stating it was all his idea seeing as how he’s the president and all that.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Can’t believe he hasn’t already dragged Heber out for this purpose… I really can’t.

          • kemist

            Perhaps he looks so bad it would attract suspicion.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Hmm… I shudder to think what he looks like.

            • aegerprimo

              If he is still alive… I have a suspicion that DM has many skeletons in his closet – literally.

        • Jimmy3

          Where is Heber? Isn’t he still “officially” the head of CSI, which is desperately trying to fall on the sword for Miscavige? I haven’t seen his name mentioned in the proceedings, except for in the Bunker comments that go along with the reporting of the proceedings.

          • DamOTclese2

            Heber’s name has been scrubbed from Scientology’s web site. He is officially an un-person.

          • Captain Howdy

            I don’t know where Heber is..I know where I am..getting drunk watching Tyler The Creator videos..he’s awesome.

            • SvenBoogie

              Not a fan. He chooses to consistently sour what creativity and talent he has with idiotic stunts and juvenile arrogance.

              Oh, and his show was terrible.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m not a big hip hop fan, but i do enjoy his vids and the atypical (for the genre) absurdist nature of them.

            • SvenBoogie

              I’m a ‘hip hop fan,’ although that term is used for a lot of things now that are basically just rap. Tyler has some skill, it’s just that he’s not nearly as good as he thinks he is, and as far as I’m concerned there are plenty of more deserving, more self aware, less moronic artists I’d rather support. I’m not really impressed at this point with hip hop artists who have basically nothing to say beyond LOOK AT ME I’M SO GOOD.

            • Captain Howdy

              As an ole punk I appreciate the fact he understands the whole merchant of chaos thing and how to work it in a way that’s more arty than your average wanna be gangsta. He appreciates the abstract.

            • Mooser
            • GalacticGreg

              No- and he wouldn’t want to. Different games. Different players.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              He’s a mixed bag, but then who isn’t? Like the golf shirt and would a Cards jacket and baseball cap on Letterman so there’s that.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hey, he’s playing right this minute near the Ybor Tampa org/mission. Maybe he’ll stop by and inquire if he can get Chill E B’s autograph while he’s in town tonight And tomorrow. hahahaha

            • Captain Howdy

              You>YouTube>Tyler the Creator>Tamale

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              Check the audience for,Heber!

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            I’ve been researching this for ever. Nobody has seen him who has left the Hemet hole. He was such a poor exscuse for a father that nobody seems to care. But I for some reason think these vanishing people could be the chewichs undoing. A decade in the desert on a man approaching 80 has to have been tough on him. I’m under my own conclusion that the migratory $cion system has made many others just are never seen again. They toss most elderly to the curb when they no longer make them money. Either, dmshit is afraid of Herber or buried him in one of,”the vaults.” When was the last time anybody saw,Heber?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Heard anything at all about Mark Ingber being dragged out and spotted in L.A. a few weeks before LA event?

          I think if he puts Heber on in any format, whether taped deposition or any other vehicle as an official President of anything but the Hole, it could backfire. For one thing, the children of the corn running the sea org might ask, “Who’s Heber?” and that would be open a whole can of wormy holes.

  • Tory Christman

    “Yesterday, she filed Monique’s response to the Texas Third Court of
    Appeals, where Scientology has petitioned for a writ of mandamus, asking
    the appeals court to find that Judge Waldrip had abused his discretion
    by granting Monique the right to depose Scientology leader David
    Miscavige”.

    $cientology doing what they do best: Attempts at Manipulation! Will it work?

    CHECK PLEASE!! :)

    • aegerprimo

      Tick-tock Tick-tock Tick-tock!

      • Tory Christman

        OH.YEAH! :)

  • aegerprimo

    OT; Found this and you can vote.

    The Best Documentaries About Scientology
    http://www.ranker.com/list/best-documentaries-about-scientology/ranker-film

    • Jimmy3

      This deserves a +1 bump.

    • Jo

      Thanks

  • DamOTclese2

    You know, Captain David, if Scientology actually worked you would not have to commit fraud against people, would not need to commit human rights abuses against people, you would not need to try to hide your “NarCONon” frauds from law enforcement agencies. If Scientology “OT powers” really worked, none of these exposures would be happening, you would not be facing getting buggered in public again if Scientology actually worked.

    You realize that, right? Ya insane sociopath criminal.

    • SvenBoogie

      Psh… but what about all those people that have come forward and demonstrated to the world their gained super power abilities?

      Oh… right…

      • DamOTclese2

        Yeah, they can sit at signal lights and just by using Intention Beam Techology and Tone 40 screaming, the light will change! Eventually! That’s Scientology s00p3r p0w3rz right there!

        • SvenBoogie

          Don’t forget that every Scientologist in good standing has the ability to make large amounts of money disappear.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Well there ‘ya go.

          • Jimmy3

            TheHoleInYourPocketDoesNotExist

          • Mooser

            What about the super-powers Scientology women have?

            One got in the car with me and two blocks later we turned into a motel!

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s the second time you’ve used that joke that I first heard nearly 50 years ago.

    • Mooser

      if Scientology actually worked you would not have to commit fraud against people,”

      Yes, it’s going to be fun to see how the Indies get around that little ethical imbroglio at their independent affiliated Scientology seraglios. I imagine they will solve the problem in the true tech source fashion, by defrauding people.
      Hey, maybe they can get a sticker, you know, like they have on meat scales or gas pumps: “If this seal is unbroken, this e-meter meets State standards and is certified accurate to + /- .003 millithetans”

  • aegerprimo
    • Eclipse-girl

      because we can do it if we work together.

      • aegerprimo

        Thank you!

        • sumdayiwill

          hmm SF ad what’s holding you back…copyright infringement from http://www.zerochan.net/Lily+%28Vocaloid%29
          tsk tsk very naughty!

          • Eclipse-girl

            I didn’t know where the anime came from. Someone should alert Zerochan.

          • aegerprimo

            I saw that! But I used a DC Comics character in the graphic above. At least RED Xers are not using it to solicit $ from people.

  • Couch_Incident

    Kudos to Ms. Hyman for a tour de force argument. Fun to read, feel like I gained something analogous to watching a master play out a chess game.

    Slightly off-topic, a story today on the BBC pissed me off even more that these “humanitarian” Scilons are doing absolutely nothing to benefit people who need help the most. Christ, even the other UFO cult, the Raelians, are trying to do something with an African clinic to reverse (at least partially) female genital mutilation: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26577358

  • valshifter

    If Miscavige didn’t order the harrasments in TX then who did it? somebody has to be guilty after the facts, sombody got harrased; there is proof, sombody has to pay.

    • Missionary Kid

      Don’t you know? Those were simply overzealous church members who did all that on their own, and were simply exercising their free speech. Gaaak! I can’t go on. That’s so much bullshit. Davy did it.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Why doesn’t he just blame it on, Shelly. That’s what hubtard did to, Mary Sue.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I think if David did that, then Monique would be able to depose Shelly and David doesn’t want anyone to see her.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          I’m sure if his makeup artist and some purif time mixed w/ some weight gain tips from krusty,she’d be lookin’ like a billion dollars in no time. Off topic; someone was taken out of the hole recently,a jewish guy. Any word on sightings of him? I think he is in the infamous,”we stand tall”,where are they now montage.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I thought there were rumors of sightings of some one, perhaps Guillame LeServe, before the re – re – re opening on one of the centers in LA.

            Please no purif for anyone. It could kill them.

  • GalacticGreg

    Dave Miscavige pays hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, every year for this: from RindersBlog. For those many Bunker visitors who do not visit Mike’s blog and who missed the posting of this amazing info. One of Mike Rinder’s most explosive posts. Thid is but one example paid contractor out of dozens. (Also reposted on Scientology Bollocks, Media_Lush) –

    “And speaking of the UK, there was a guy there by the name of James Hunt who worked closely with Bob Keenan (the “LRH PPRO UK” but really “Miscavige’s pet in the UK”). Hunt was the “go-to” guy for Keenan and worked extensively on the investigation into John Sweeney (which is how I met him). He hired others, set up surveillance and who knows what else. I am not sure of his background, I only met him a couple of times with Keenan. He is particularly interesting though because of this connection with Keenan. As I said, Keenan was Miscavige’s pet in the UK — and Miscavige wanted to move Keenan to the US. Keenan was not enthused about this idea as he told me he didnt want to be under the level of scrutiny and control (and he could see the writing on the wall, every single person who had EVER been one of “Miscavige’s pets” had eventually been busted and become the butt of endless Miscavige “jokes”). But after I left, and Marty had already gone, Keenan was brought to LA to “deal with the problem” of Marty Rathbun. He reportedly brought James Hunt to the US to be his “go-to” guy on investigating/”handling” Marty Rathbun. Who knows what they actually did, but he would be a very interesting person to talk to. Keenan shortly thereafter routed out of the Sea Org and has a cushy job doing very little for a lot of money for a Scientologist whale in Brighton, England. Like Tommy Davis and Angie Blankenship (both former Miscavige pets), he is not speaking out about what he knows or the abuses he was involved in, and somehow he is no longer in the Sea Org but remains “in good standing” with no money problems.

    “There are of course many others who are out there. Private investigators, private security, consultants and “muscle” (like Ralph Gomez in Texas).

    “These people have information that would help put an end to the abuses.

    “They all have a moral obligation to make this information known.

    “They should be known for what they are — agents of the church who carry out much of the really discreditable stuff the church engages in.

  • Dancing Cranberry

    Here are the latest from Canada and Ireland:

    Please go get them. There are a couple of very new ads in Vancouver. Let’s get rid of them.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-63#post-2436329

    • Dancing Cranberry

      safe?

    • BumpIt McCarthy

      There are also Tampa ads under 6 hours old: the top ten ads for events ending on April 1, just as it happens! http://tampa.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=%22727+501+9913%22|%22727+501+9996%22|%222907+w*+bay%22|%22441+2387%22|%22442+3922%22|%22461+1282%22|%22467+5000%22

      • BumpIt McCarthy

        Not sure what all that extra henscratching is. No haxxor skills. Please forgive, folks.

      • Dancing Cranberry

        Thanks, Bumpit!

  • nottrue

    On aol.com……..#16

    • Jimmy3

      I have no idea what aol is, but my friends over at BRITNEY SPEARS CHAT 17 linked to this article, too. Glad to see the Goldberg’s story spreading like this.

      • Missionary Kid

        AOL started out as America On Line.

        From Wikipedia. “AOL Inc. is an American multinational mass media corporation based in New York City that develops, grows, and invests in brands and web sites.”

        • Jimmy3

          That’s not a real thing, you’re just trolling me. I’m no fool.

          • Missionary Kid

            O.K., don’ t believe me.

            • Jimmy3

              Good, I won’t.

            • Mooser

              “Good, I won’t.”

              You’re the fellow! Hold your mud! He could very well be trying to pull the tangled web over your eyes. Or it might be wool, that’s the stuff they pull over one’s eyes, isn’t it? Itchy stuff, wool.

            • L!=R

              You are either very young and clueless or are trolling. AOL was, at one time, the largest Internet service provider.

              Don’t belittle yourself. Educate yourself. If you are in doubt of any fact or information given to you by someone or something, then do the research. There is something out there that will help… It is called “Google”

              It is better to remain silent and be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

            • Jimmy3

              I just checked in the yellow page book and AOL isn’t listed in there. If it is so popular why isn’t it in the book with every other business ever? I may be young but I’m not easily trolled like this and I’m not belittling myself.

            • Mooser

              My one regret is that I have but one upvote to give your comment.

            • Jimmy3

              Mooser, my man, I know you too have experienced a joke being taken literally. They jump out of nowhere to correct you and to educate you! My only wish at this moment is that someone far more intelligent and capable than I takes this AOL concept and creates it for reals. There, we could set up our own chat room dedicated to people like us. They will never be able to educate us there.

            • Mooser

              Jimmy, I’m with you, all the way. I don’t understand why people can’t see that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. And a lot is usually fatal. Well, I don’t intend to endanger myself, if I can help it

            • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

              Jimmy ..Aol was google back in the year 2000. Remember the movie “You’ve got mail” with Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan? They always chatted on AOL. Just go to Aol.com

            • Mooser

              Don’t click that link! Very few have, and returned.

            • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

              If I am correct. Time Warner bought AOL.

            • Mooser

              “Time Warner bought AOL.”

              An alarm clock bought an internet company? Wow, there all kinds of science fiction orbiting through tonite!

            • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

              ok…you guys were joking… disregard. gnite.

            • Mooser

              “ok…you guys were joking… disregard. gnite.”

              Wait a minute, now I’m getting the feeling you’re trying to keep something from me. Maybe I will buy some AOL stock.

            • Jimmy3

              But the idea that someone has never heard of AOL, yet recognizes it as the email server of choice in that Meg Ryan/Tom Hanks romcom is hilarious to me. So this thread has been a success, I think?

            • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

              hahaha…My mother makes me watch that movie with her every time I visit the fam bam…not very difficult to forget. The dial up noise is very therapeutic…

            • Mooser

              “So this thread has been a success, I think?”

              Speak for yourself, man. I’m totally confused, much worse then when I started, and now I’m getting a headache. Aloha AOL aorta, over and out.

            • GalacticGreg

              Everybody in this thread can ‘get it’ by now — Jimmy3 was *kidding*. Hello ?!? As in k-i-d-d-i-n-g.

            • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

              lol…I “got that” read my response below…tata

            • GalacticGreg

              just saw it ! Ciao for now ~

            • L!=R

              Ummmm… Yeah. Try google…. Like I said…

            • Mooser

              “Ummmm… Yeah. Try google…. Like I said…”

              Google in nothing but hearsay! Or heresy! Most likely, both.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Google isn’t in the yellow pages either…

            • Mooser

              “I just checked in the yellow page book and AOL isn’t listed in there.”

              Jimmy3, people will say anything. Check this out: my health insurance agent was trying to tell me there is a sanity clause! I mean, what?

            • Mooser

              Do you know what they call a man who pulls the wool over people’s eyes L!=R? They call them a wet blanket. A wet woolen blanket. Think of yourself that way L!=R, and you won’t go wrong. AOL forsooth!! Feh even

            • Mooser

              “It is better to remain silent and be thought the fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

              Yes, I’ve seldom seen such a vivid demonstration of that principle. And to think you hadn’t opened your mouth til now!

            • L!=R

              That’s funny… I was going to say the same thing!

            • Mooser

              You were going to comment on your own comment? My, you do have an unusual way of doing things. Are you trying to sell “shares” in this AOL thing, or something? WHat’s the deal?

          • aquaclara

            In the dark ages of dial up, we all stared endlessly at the AOL screen, waiting and hoping that everybody else in the neighborhood had something else to do after work, so there was a chance of connection…..

            They’re still around….

            • Mooser

              “In the dark ages of dial up,”

              Oh, come on, I had just about forgotten dial-up. Please don’t remind me, I was stuck on it for years. I’d much prefer to believe it never existed, like AOL.

      • nottrue

        AOL is big at the old folks home.So is Britney

  • GalacticGreg

    Monique’s attorney Leslie Hyman delivers this blast into the face of Lamont Jefferson & the 22 $cilon Lawyers:

    “As discussed above, Relators’ argument that Mrs. Rathbun did not make a sufficient showing of jurisdictional facts before seeking to take Mr. Miscavige’s deposition is factually inaccurate. It is also legally infirm.”

    Ms Hyman’s “Response of Real Party” argument is a work of great logic and skill. As Tony O captioned her picture, Rock Star !

  • Sunny Sands

    Giovanni Ribisi new TV show “Dads” likely to be cancelled.

    7. Dads, Fox

    Starring Seth Green and Giovanni Ribisi, Dads revolves around two game developers whose lives are turned upside down when their fathers come to live with them. Other than the premiere episode, which saw 5.76 million viewers tune in, the series has consistently drawn viewership in the low- to mid-3 millions while earning fairly scathing remarks from critics. And with the season finale bringing in only 2.49 million viewers — the lowest of the entire season — there’s no doubt the show is done.

    http://wallstcheatsheet.com/entertainment/14-tv-shows-likely-to-get-the-axe-after-this-season.html/?a=viewall

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m only sorry about that because I hat to see that happen to Seth Green.

      • Jimmy3

        Same here, MK, and I feel for Peter Riegert. He had only a brief role in the greatest television series of all time, but he was great in it.

        ETA: Animal House. Enough said.

        • Missionary Kid

          The number of careers that sprung out of Animal House is amazing. I loved Peter in Local Hero. Which series are you referring to? MASH?

          • Jimmy3

            The Sopranos, good sir. But MASH is a classic, too, and I was unaware that he was in that. His second credited role.

            • Missionary Kid

              Mash was his first appearance in the flesh, and Animal House made the public aware of him.

              I never really could get into The Sopranos. It’s just me. I just chose not to get involved in the series, and it had nothing to do with the quality.

            • Jimmy3

              The mafia genre doesn’t appeal to everyone. I’m not pro-mafia (no family would have me, I can’t even find Sicily on a map), but I am fascinated by its lore. It is the same curiosity which drives me to this blog.

            • Mooser

              Yes, all good, great shows but which one are you calling “the greatest television series of all time”?

          • Artoo45

            Local Hero! One of my top 10 favorite movies of all time.

      • SvenBoogie

        Seth Green can be funny and all, but I have to be honest, when I saw the early info on this show coming out, it looked destined to be canceled from the start. I don’t really get why he chose to take part in something like it.

        • Missionary Kid

          Often how a show is executed can be completely different than when the show was sold. Also, actors often make bad decisions, like the rest of us.

  • outraged

    “We know this case is complex for non-lawyers”

    That is an understatement if I ever heard one. At least there are wins along the way down the yellow brick road. it How these lawyers and Judge Waldripster keep all the balls in the air is beyond me. This suit is more complex than a middle-aged depressed female who is menopausing.

    • Missionary Kid

      Legalese is a foreign language to most people. On top of that, there are basic concepts and procedures that have evolved over centuries to aid in determining the truth of a matter. Co$ is all bullshit, but one can’t come out and say that. One must prove it.

      Davy’s legal strategy has made it easier for Monique’s attorneys to take them apart. The Co$ strategy is to delay, obfuscate, keep any legal proceedings off topic, and throw as much shit as they can up on the wall and try to make it stick.

      Leslie Hyman’s response points all this out: the Co$ attorneys are bullshitting, as well as contradicting themselves, intentionally misquoting the law, and basically full of shit. The Monty Python illustration was a gem.

      • Sarah James

        I thought the Monty Python reference splended.

        • Missionary Kid

          And the Co$ legal position is just as absurd as MP could get, but without the fun and humor.

  • outraged
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Lovely thing that you wrote there.

      • outraged

        Thank you. I know I am ranting but when couples, parents, kids, families are forced apart it makes me CRAZY.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I thank you for the excellent post.

      • outraged

        You’re welcome. :-}

        My parents were overly controlling and emotionally uninvolved. A horrific way to raise children. The despicable behavior of David Miscavige is the same.

        • Eclipse-girl

          ((((HUGS)))) you deserve them. you have survived.

        • Artoo45

          That’s a terrible thing to come to realize, but in doing so you are on the mend. Surround yourself with the best people you can find, chosen family rocks!

  • EnthralledObserver

    OT: AUSSIES get OFF the road!
    (My daughter just got her learner’s permit)

    • Eclipse-girl

      Congrats, I think.

    • outraged

      Oh no!! I am dreading this. Drivers ed, next year.

      • EnthralledObserver

        For you?

        • outraged

          my teenage girl.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Ah, I thought that was what you meant at first – just thought I’d better clarify. Good luck to you and darling teen when the time comes… and May You Survive. ;) lol

            • outraged

              thank you. hopefully I will make it thru age 14. right now it’s “mommy stay out of my life but can you take me to the mall?”

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh, I hear you… me too! (though there are signs we are coming out the top end of that attitude. I cross my fingers) :)

    • Missionary Kid

      In L.A., there used to be a radio DJ, Emperor Hudson. He’d end his show with, “Get off the freeways, peasants, the emperor is coming.”

      The problem with young drivers is that they don’t know how much they don’t know. Having a non-relative adult go with them when they’re learning, IMO, helps a lot.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Lesson with a driving school instructor booked in tomorrow. :) I did take her for a bit earlier this afternoon, but we just did really basic stuff really slowly. i.e. pulling out, from first up to second gear, back to first then pulling over. She definitely improved, so I am optimistic.

  • GalacticGreg

    As the pressure increases with the expansion of negative publicity, Captain David Miscavige may choose to continue using his model of operational management, Commodore L Ron Hubbard.
    .
    From- RELIGION INC.: The Church of Scientology by Stewart Lamont. Harrap, London, England.
    — There is also the HCO *Manual of justice* written by Hubbard outlines the procedure to be followed for the ‘entheta’ Press who write hostile articles. ‘Hire a private detective of a national-type firm to investigate the *writer*, not the magazine, and get any criminal or Communist background the man has….
    — Have your lawyers or solicitors write the magazine threatening a suit. (Hardly ever permit a real suit – they’re more of a nuisance to you than they are worth)…Use the data you got from the detective at long last to write the author of the article a very tantalizing letter. Don’t give him your data…Just tell him you know something very interesting about him and wouldn’t he like to come in and talk about it. (If he comes ask him to sign a confession of collusion and slander – people at that level often will, just to commit suicide – and publish it in a paid ad in a paper if you get it.) Chances are he won’t arrive, but he’ll sure shudder into silence.’

    — This version of ‘an eye for an eye’ written by Hubbard has the distinction of incorporating a malevolent mixture of blackmail and vindictiveness.

    • Mooser

      My, it must have been some bunch of guys who read that, nodded and said, “Sure, okay L Ron, that looks like it’ll work, and what could go wrong? And frankly, we’ll enjoy the work.”
      What a friggin’ crew he had.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Looks like Leslie Hyman overcame the illusions intended by Scientology’s ‘confusion tech’ and has made mush of the Jefferson brothers’ arguments. I love that she has provided us with proof that Wallace B Jefferson is way out of practice and Miscavige does not have a prayer on this matter. Hyman’s work shows that she is much worthy of an Appellate or Supreme Court judgeship.

  • outraged

    “relevance of the deposition to this suit bears as much resemblance to reality as Monty Python and the Holy Grail bears to the historical description of the chalice of the Last Supper.”

    Scientology bears as much resemblance to a church as Monty Python and the Holy Grail does to a Quaker meeting.

    • Missionary Kid

      Co$ has no relationship to any religion. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Abc news Nightline showing Sara’s Choice, Goldberg story now…seems there is extra;pieces, its longer. More details, Debbie cook clips, miscavige slapping…ok,; just finished

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks. It hasn’t been shown yet out here. I’ll TIVO it.

      • TXCowgirl

        I will stream it first chance.

        I am a volunteer at the HLSR (Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo) this week. Will be checking in on the Bunker happenings when I can. Tucking in now…have to be back at the Rodeo in 4 hours. YeeHaw??? Until it’s over, I’ll be cheering from the cheap seats.

        • Missionary Kid

          I hope you have fun while you’re working your ass off. Volunteers at events form their own family.

          • TXCowgirl

            This is my 10th year volunteering in the horse arena. You are right, we have melded into a, somewhat subculture, family. Friends I otherwise never see, yet we gather for 3 weeks every March to volunteer, help the 4-H kids, imbibe together when the day is done, and celebrate western heritage.

            Will do my best to check in here, but comments will be to a minimum. Now I have to get up in a smidgen over three hours. Cheers and bon chance!!!

  • Sibs

    I’m trying to catch up on work for my job right now, but taking a break reading the VV article on Wollersheim that Cars posted a while ago. And now I realize why I missed all of this LAT posting OT3 and all of that business – it all happened before I was born. All of this mainstream reporting on Scientology is new to me in my lifetime (except for the South Park stuff and Tom Cruise being crazy. But let’s be real, that’s not really the heart of what’s wrong with Scientology which is being reported on right now).

    • Missionary Kid

      From the start, it was evil. I’ve known about Dianutty for well over 50 years, and Co$ for nearly as long. In my opinion, dm has only made it worse, but he built on the idiocy of lrh.

      Davy has also fired footbullets by going after the wrong targets with the wrong weapons. He has a knack for creating the Streisand effect. By going after Anonymous, he raised the profile of the con.

  • DodoTheLaser

    My apologies if it was posted earlier.

    Remember that rumor that Ukranian PM has ties with scientology, that Tony debunked?
    Well, it’s becoming a trend now for politicians to use it against their enemies, apparently.

    News from Slovakia:

    “Fico accuses Kiska of Scientology ties; Kiska submits criminal complaint”
    http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/53349/10/fico_accuses_kiska_of_scientology_ties.html

    PRIME MINISTER and presidential candidate
    Robert Fico continues to insist that his main opponent, philanthropist
    and businessman Andrej Kiska, has ties to Scientology.

    True or not, this is becoming comedy gold!

  • media_lush

    late night LULZ:

    FUNNY MEDIA HEADLINES WE’D LIKE TO SEE

    1. In Effort To Revamp His Image David Miscavige Is Surprise New Contestant in Trump’s ‘Celebrity Apprentice’

    2. John Travolta Finally Admits He’s Gay… World Responds With A Big ‘Meh’

    3. Jenna Elfman Retires From Acting After Confirmation That Homosexual Thetans Were Born That Way And Can Never Be Removed

    … feel free to add you own

    • DodoTheLaser

      5. Will Smith jokes about Xenu in the next Men In Black installment.

      • media_lush

        hmmm, try a bit harder and put it into a ‘Media Headline’ rather than a comment here… something like:

        “Joke References To Xenu Alien In MIB4 Confirm Smith Has Left His Scientology Church” … or something

        • DodoTheLaser

          There is a reason my nick is Dodo and yours is Media. :)
          Your point is taken though.

        • DodoTheLaser

          I will try again:

          “Will Smith promotes new Men in Black, says scientology Xenu used to be his homie”.

          • media_lush

            better!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thanks. Your #5 is particularly funny!

    • Ardent

      Thanks! Best chuckles in ages, Media.

  • Unex Skcus

    OT, but “Narconon Argentina closed today reported by Anonymous”

    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=11665

    Yay!

    • valshifter

      “Tax Evasion” yay! in other countries they don’t give a rats ass if scientology uses the ”church” cloak, if they see it as a wealthy institution they will pursue taxes, Argentinians have never been fund of scientology I was reading a website in Spanish that talks a lot of smack about the cult, they do not consider it a religion or a church, and they are aware that is an organized scam, therefore they must have been categorized as a business or a scam, in those countries they don’t care where the money is coming from, if there is money the government wants a share. And we know scientology does not share. the midget is going to claim that Argentina is “done” Ideal and clear, just like Portland.

  • DodoTheLaser

    African Indie Blog is getting sued/threatened for “copyright infringement”, or something.

    “Cops & Bloggers”
    http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/cops-bloggers/

    This should go well for the “church”.

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      Looks like “threatened” not “sued.” A classic cease and desist letter. Got one myself for a page linking to an audio file containing L Ron Hubbard discussing Xenu. Not-so-Anons got one. Lawsuits are more rare :)

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thanks, Jens! I will edit it out.

      • vistaril_LOL

        The correct response would be “no u desist from being a fucktard”

  • AnonRedX

    RED Xers while we are waiting for today’s story, go and whack a few of these pesky ads on Craigslist.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-63#post-2435984

    • AnonRedX

      Thank you baby

    • Graham

      Done @ 9am UK time.

  • vistaril_LOL

    O/T slightly…was it the Wallersheim judge who said something like……Scamologies paranoid and abusive style was a direct parallel of hubbturd’s character??????

  • valshifter

    I don’t understand why scientology cries freedom of speech in this case. So they want to be able to stop Marty and Monique from exercising freedom of speech, but the cult is the one crying freedom of speech, just like a mischievous child they hit the other kid but then they cry out laud he did it, the cult is very malicious, malevolent.

  • Nana Lynn

    Harassment is about the only thing the Church does well. My heart goes out to her!
    LOOK AT THE NEW PERSON FINALLY COMING OUT AGAINST THE CHURCH!!!! STORY HORRIFIC!
    CHECK OUT http://www.michelleseward.org
    WE HAD GOTTEN HER WRONG! LETS SHOW SUPPORT!!

  • WhereIsSHE

    Job well done, Ms. Hyman; Messrs. Cappuccio and Tepperman. (I see that Hyman’s signature was affixed, but I will tip my hat to all three, because all three are identified on the brief, typically meaning that all three had some degree of input, or at least that attorneys Hyman and Tepperman were most likely to have done the research and writing.)

  • Scream Nevermore

    One can only hope that the young ladies out there in search of a role model decide they want to be like Ms Hyman, not like Ms Kardashian (sp?) and her ilk.

  • Duladeeda

    Leslie Hyman, esq. Is terrific!!!

  • http://survivorofdespair.com lonelyheroine

    Here’s a little nugget of humour regarding Scientology and You Tube. I did a search for Heaven’s gate videos and the first on the list was…guess what? Scientology:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=heavens%20gate&sm=1

  • Dave Roland

    I’d be surprised if Miscavige ever appears in court. It’s my guess that if he runs out of legal abuses of the system, he’ll offer a literal fortune to Shelly to avoid a personal appearance in court.

    Dave