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French land sale falls apart once town learns Scientologists are involved

Sainte-Feyre, France

Sainte-Feyre, France

We’ve got a breaking story from Jonny Jacobsen, our man in Paris…

Councillors in a French town have pulled out of a deal to sell land for development after revelations that investors behind the project were Scientologists.

The announcement came just weeks after they had approved the sale of land in the town of Sainte-Feyre, Limousin, in central France — and just days ahead of Sunday’s local elections.

The local council decided on the U-turn at a crisis meeting on Thursday night called by local mayor Michel Villard specifically to discuss the question.

Local paper L’Echo du Centre broke the news of the Scientology connection only last Saturday, and since then the issue has dominated the local political agenda. Now, less than a week on, the sale has been cancelled and the future of the whole project is uncertain.

Cyrille Pincanon, the Scientologist and entrepreneur promoting the development, insisted his church had nothing to do with the project. Such is the movement’s reputation in France, however, the simple fact that he and others involved in the project are Scientologists was enough to kill the deal.

The affair has also caused considerable political embarassment to the local politicians who initially backed the scheme, not the least the mayor, Villard.

The owners of the chateau at Sainte-Feyre had wanted to finance the restoration of the building, a listed historic monument, by building up to 100 homes on nearby land. They had been in talks with the council since March 2011.

The 35-million-euro development was presented as a set of retirement homes for the well-off, with health facilities also part of the plan.

After the region’s heritage watchdogs rejected an initial proposal to build inside the chateau grounds, the developers started talks to buy eight to 10 hectares of neighbouring council-owned land.

Even before the Scientology connection emerged, local paper La Montagne reported last month that questions were being asked about the plan because some of the backers were not known locally.

But councillors in this town of around 2,300 inhabitants were looking at a project that promised to boost the local economy, creating jobs and bringing in another 200 residents to the community.

On February 26 they voted to sell the 8.7-hectare parcel of land required for the project (that’s a little over 21 acres).

Then L’Echo du Centre broke the news of the Scientology connection on Saturday — just a week ahead of the first round of local elections set for Sunday, March 23.

La Montagne followed up with details of the people involved, drawing on Kristi Wachter’s invaluable database, compiled from years of Scientology publications.

The owner of the chateau is Odile Delomez. She has been involved in Scientology at least since 1986, when she is listed as completing the OT Preparations course. (That is some way up Scientology’s Bridge to Total Freedom, so she will have been involved several years prior to that.)

She is also listed in 2004 as a Founding Patron, which means she paid at least $40,000 over what she paid for courses and materials.

Odile Delomez is also listed as having reached OT V by 2005 (so why she couldn’t have just postulated the whole deal is beyond me).

A December 2013 document leaked recently at Mike Rinder’s blog suggests she has also served as an OT ambassador — but that recently she handed over responsibility to someone else as she plans to do a year’s intensive training at Flag (in Clearwater, Florida).

Her name also features on the board of a Paris-registered company SCI De Sainte Feyre, along with a Marc Delomez.

Marc Delomez is also listed in Scientology literature as a Founding Patron in 2004. He completed OT III in 1991. His earliest listing in Kristi’s Wachter’s database is a 1989 mention in the Freewinds magazine, named after Scientology’s cruise ship for high rollers.

Finally there is Cyrille Pincanon, the developer promoting the project. He features in a 2006 edition of Freewinds magazine.

Of the three, he is the only so far to have spoken to the media since the story broke (though not to us: we are still waiting to hear back).

“I assume the fact that I am a Scientologist…,” he told Angélique Bouchet of Radio France Bleu on Monday. “But my religion has absolutely nothing to do with the project.

“I could be Jewish, I could be Christian, I could be Muslim, but that doesn’t mean I can’t promote an economic project. That doesn’t seem acceptable as an argument for the simple reason that at no time has the project been linked with any religion — and or will it be.”

Pincanon is not shy about standing up for his beliefs.

At the 2009 trial of Scientology, he testified as a character witness for one of the defendants — a salesman eventually convicted of fraud.

“I have progressed spiritually,” Pincanon told the court. I am very proud to be in this Church.”

He appreciated Scientology’s emphasis on human rights and its anti-drug message, he added. “Scientology has given me a lot of answers.”

Pincanon is not the only person upset that so much has been made of the Scientology connection. Michel Villard, the outgoing mayor of Sainte-Feyre who is running for another term, is also unhappy.

There had never been any question of the new development being a settlement for Scientologists, he said in a written statement issued on Thursday. He denounced the timing of the revelations as a tactic by his political enemies.

Some opposition politicians however are asking why such a major project was voted through just before the elections. With so much money at stake, the matter should have been left until after the elections for the new administration to consider at its leisure, they argue.

And that, presumably, is just what will happen now — assuming of course those behind the plan still want to press on.

But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?

— Jonny Jacobsen

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 21, 2014 at 14:00

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  • DamOTclese2

    Love it! France is a criminally convicted business in France, and here they are attempting to hide the fact that they’re Scientology criminals trying to purchase the property.

    Hey, David! Where’s “hiding” on the Tone Scale? Oh yeah, right up there with 1.1 gay stuff.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky. A common denominator found broadly in the CO$

      • DamOTclese2

        They did the same in Bowdon, Georgia: Link To Full Coverage Here. It may be that this property deal was legitimate, that it would not be turned in to an organized crime property, but given Scientology’s history it’s obvious why nobody wants these people anywhere near them.

  • http://scientoonery.tumblr.com/ Natalia 2.0
  • Mooser

    ‘But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact
    that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough
    to scupper it?”

    Oh, yes. Next question.

    • DamOTclese2

      Also the fact that a Scientology owner/operator was involved with the property previously and the property apparently was not used as a heaven for Miscavige and the rest tends to show that the new sale to evenb more Scientology owners/operators might not have been as bad an impact for the local township as it has been in Clearwater and Los Angeles, Huntington Beach et al.

      Still, nobody wants Scientology’s crimes and abuses, the impact to local police and fire fighters, medical responders et al. that seem to be associated with Scientology’s crimes and “NarCONon” abuses.

      • Mooser

        And they are tiresome, very tiresome, they give one the ennui in the derriere,
        And fatal to their ambitions in La Belle France is that they ain’t got no chic whatsoever. Who needs L Ron Hubbard after you’ve had Cocteau?

        • John P.

          And who needs David Miscavige after you’ve had Clouseau?

          • ze moo

            Clouseau had a sense of humor, Davey does not. I can finally ‘forgive’ France for liking Jerry Lewis now.

  • Sherbet

    Bigotry! We’ll sue!

    • Mooser

      Well, Scientology could sue on the basis that for the purposes of this transaction, they are a religion. But I think France has determined to its own satisfaction what Scientology is, and how much Scientologists, let alone Scientology, should be trusted.
      Anybody who objects is welcome to invest their money with Scientologists, and invite them to make a development in your town.

      • Sherbet

        I hate to even imply I’m switching sides, but looking at this just on the surface, it seems to me the “churrrch” has the grounds to sue. And I’m wondering, if I were on a jury and all evidence pointed to a clear-cut case of NIMBY, would I agree with the plaintiff. Anyway, there’s no case, no suit, not yet. I hope the developer packs up his plot plans and goes away.

        • DamOTclese2

          Nobody has the right to force someone to sell their property to someone. People are legally allowed to change their minds. I doubt there could be any civil lawsuit. What would the crime syndicate claim? That the land was “promised” to them and the handshake is some how legally binding?

          • Sherbet

            You may be right DamO. I assumed there were signed agreements or legal commitments. You know what they say: A verbal agreement isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

            • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

              In fact no: the mayor explained during a live debate (broadcast on Radio Bleu) that the February 26 decision had authorized him to sign off on the deal. But he had not actually signed the sale documents when the news of the Scientology connection broke.

            • Missionary Kid

              Then, it’s obvious that the story broke just in time. Thanks for your reporting and follow-ups on stories.

            • Sherbet

              Great news, Jonny. Thanks for adding that bit of info.

        • Lynn Fountain Campbell

          If this were the U.S., I’d agree with you. But it’s France, where Scientology = fraud.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, yes. And there’s that. 😀

      • PRenaud

        but ,,,, “Cyrille Pincanon, …insisted his church had nothing to do with the project.” wouldn’t they only be allowed to sue under the grounds that the town is giving them a bad name???

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    How do you say “clear water” in french?

    Looks like another Clearwater has been avoided.

    • Mark

      Eau claire.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        There ought to be a slogan there somehow….

        • Mark

          De l’eau claire est rafraîchissante, mais l’affaire de Saint-Feyre est agaçant?

          • richelieu jr

            Eau Claire, if you’re smart, don’t go there!

        • Panopea Abrupta

          In French, Eau-Claire means Pure Water
          But $cilons will poison the well

      • Espiando

        Since they failed here, maybe they can try in Wisconsin. Eau Claire is actually pretty nice for cheesehead country.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Fuck no, Espi

          There is one ? mission ? in the Milwaukee / racine. The outsides of that place are downright seedy.

          There are two Idle Morgues sort of near by – the empty urban blight one in Chicago and the empty open in the twin cities.
          That is close enough.

          • Sandy

            when I upvoted Espi, I didn’t mean to imply that I would wish that on our good neighbor to the East. It was an upvote for the mention of Eau Claire. ;o)

            • Eclipse-girl

              (Eau Claire is west of me.)

              I just don’t want any stronger presence in the state.
              Their are damn pathetic here, now

              We have enough troublse with Walker, the Koch brothers and a corporate takeover of the state.

          • cs sarabia

            I don’t understand why Scientology has held onto the Printer’s Row building in Chicago and let it fall into disrepair. It’s a valuable property.that could easily go condo conversion.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have only seen pictures from the outside.
              I consider Espi the lead on watching this sight. I believe that Chicago is pushing an urban blight prosecution on Co$.

      • richelieu jr

        Beat me to it, Mark!

    • DamOTclese2

      Also the “health facilities” being reported would mean possibly another NarCONon fraud and the deaths and maimings that accompany them.

    • richelieu jr

      Eau Claire, bien sûr!

    • Barbara Angel

      As self appointed interpretor “clearwater in French” was once called French Francs, it’s now called “gimmeeeee Euros” and moare Euros and moareeeeeeeeeeee Euros. Too Much is Not Enough.

  • Tone

    If the cult does anything it will probably turn to its army of lawyers.
    That they fail to see that they have a reputation like plutonium speaks volumes to Blubbard-tek fail. They have epic lack of confront.

    • AnyOldName1

      “If the cult does anything….” – then we know they were behind the whole deal.

  • dagobarbz

    yeah…I’d be REALLY PROUD of identifying with a church convicted of fraud. Says a lot about this jackhole’s character, doesn’t it…

    • DamOTclese2

      He also defends Scientology’s NarCONon despite the deaths in France and despite NarCONon in France being criminally convicted.

  • Dean Fox

    Normally I would say a person’s religion should have nothing to do with their business. The trouble is the a scientologists’ dedication to the church is far more absolute than in other religions, it’s more akin to the Jim Jones kind of dedication. You know that a scientologist always puts the church of scientology first and has disdain for non-scientologists and things non-scientological. You know a scientologist will do anything on demand of their church without regard to other personal, political or business obligations, allegiances or loyalties. That makes it difficult to trust a scientologist.

    • DamOTclese2

      Plus France has already seen Scientology’s people commit fraud with zero worry about the laws of Wog society. Nobody wants criminals moving in next door, nobody wants criminals taking over a town.

      • richelieu jr

        ^^^^^
        This 1000x THIS!

    • Mooser

      “The trouble is the a scientologists’ dedication to the church is far more absolute than in other religions,”

      Frankly, I think it’s a complete difference in kind not intensity. Saying how devoted one is to a religion which demands sacrifice and compassion, is not the same thing as devotion to a religion which promises to cure you of what ails you, make you perfect, and grow 1″ to 3″ in length and width and teach you to fly. That’s just self-interest and narcissism disguised as religion.

      • Once_Born

        New Religious Movements are commonly extreme, not only in their beliefs, but also in their behaviour. Those select few which survive today gradually accommodated themselves to wider society by moderating controversial beliefs and practices soon as they were no longer essential to the movement’s survival.

        Those which do not ‘moderate’ (the overwhelming majority of NRMs) collapse, and are forgotten. Scientology seems to belong in this group, and we are watching it collapse.

        If follows (for me at least) that the difference between a cult and a respected world religion is a hundred years or so or well-judged (&/or lucky) compromises.

        Scientology is in continual and intense conflict with the societies it is embedded in. While this was good for the CofS in its early days (they could exploit social tension to demonstrate to members how persecuted they are, and discourage them from engaging with anyone outside the bubble) if they are to survive long-term, they should be starting to show a friendlier face by now, and ‘going mainstream’. Luckily for everyone, they show no signs of doing so, because the organisation, and the management are both inherently incapable of change, let alone compromise.

      • Sir_Real

        They are a sinister cult, disguised as a religion, whose first and foremost raison d’être is conning their marks out of their money.

      • Jgg2012

        It’s also lying. Christians never said they had proof of any super powers.

        • Once_Born

          Surely, claims of miracles that result from prayer amount to the same thing… For example, http://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/approved_apparitions/lourdes/miracles1.html

          However, the Catholic Church does not routinely, and as a matter of doctrine, use these claims (and the beliefs that underlie them) to bankrupt its parishioners, deprive them of proper medical care, and illegally persecute them if they dare to complain.

        • Mooser

          “It’s also lying. Christians never said they had proof of any super powers.”

          No I think they might be even more sneaky. They just imply it. I saw a sign at “Star of the Sea” Bremerton’s beautiful and historic Catholic Church. The sign said “Watch out for low-flying Nuns”

          • Jgg2012

            To the extent that they do, you get them by practicing the religion. And that costs nothing. Scientology has you buy super powers for $300,000 (and, when you do, still more powers for another $300,000, and so on).

    • Sir_Real

      They are a sinister cult, masquerading as a religion, whose first and foremost raison d’être is conning their marks out of their money.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      $cientology, is not a religion. It’s a pay as you go,pyramid scheme. The fucking crosses and Sunday services appeal to the IRS. It is an organized crime cult.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    What a bunch of sneaks!! again and again and again. SNEAKS!

  • Sir_Real

    Being affiliated with the co$ should always be the poison pill that derails any venture.

  • Mark

    Here’s a picture of the chateau, serendipitously with silly geese approaching:

    • DamOTclese2

      The geese would be the first Scientology victims to be audited and subjected to Sec Checks, Purification Rundowns, and regging.

      • Mark

        Rather like being turned into pâté de foie gras, then…

        • Espiando

          But wouldn’t all the niacin ruin the livers? Personally, Espi Food Safety Mode wouldn’t approve this pate for wog consumption.

      • Barbara Angel

        Naaaah they eat’em, makes a change from beans and rice.

    • richelieu jr

      We treat geese here kind if like Scientology treats people: We shove a lot of crap down their throats and trap them until they burst and then we eat them.

      • Captain Howdy

        Which is cruel and should be outlawed just like scientology, which is of course cruel also.

        • Sherbet

          Are you a vegetarian, Howdy? I know you love and respect animals.
          Edit: I don’t mean for that to be a nosy question.

          • DamOTclese2

            I’m a vegetarian, I find the enslavement and torture of non-human animals to be abhorrent in an age where humans no longer need to eat other animals to survive, and in an age where vegetable planting provides more calories per foot of soil than does any kind of animal food stuffs.

            Meat is not only filthy and disgusting, but when you get to the snot-infested, E.Coli-drenched, steroid-packed SHIT that people eat these days while calling it “meat,” it’s always amazing that people still eat the SHIT.

            • Sherbet

              My son is a vegan, and if I had a shred of integrity, I’d follow his example. Haven’t got there yet, but the lifestyle and philosophy appeal to me.

            • DamOTclese2

              :) Us vegans statistically live longer than carnivores, yet it has been said that cheese is worth dying early. :)

            • Mooser

              “My son is a vegan,”

              A girl I knew once was one of sixteen vestal vegans, headed for the coast. And although her eyes were open, she ate chipped beef on toast. She talked about it like she’d been poisoned. fer Gawd’s sake. And so it was. I love chipped beef on toast.

            • ze moo

              I still adore Procol Harum. Annie Lennox did a great version too.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJIVz9nYx7I

            • Peter

              You’ve obviously never been in the Army where “shit on a shingle”, as it’s called, is a staple of far too many breakfasts! Yech!!!

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              After growing up and force fed steak cooked 12 ways as a child I can’t eat anything w/ a face. Go spend a day looking at a slaughter house and you’d stop,too. Not only is it better for you it’s much cheaper,as well. If people knew how much fecal matter is allowed in ground beef they might stay out of fast food feed lots. Yuck!

            • Missionary Kid

              Because I spent my summers on farms when I was growing up, I have none of those inhibitions.

            • Barbara Angel

              Yay to US vego’s we’ll take over the world one day. Heehee

      • Eclipse-girl

        An Aside on Fois Gras
        I saw one farmer / poultry man who made Fois Gras in Ca (before the law made Fois Gras illegal). He loved his geese and they came up to him to be fed. There was no need to force feed them. His animals lived in clean conditions and were well cared for.

        • Mooser

          I’m not a pot snob, I don’t need no fancy-schmancy strains, but faux grass?

          Is that legal? Not in Washington, our State government makes sure the weed grown in this state meets specifications! What a world, they used to throw you in jail for growing the stuff, and now they fine you if you grow it and it’s not strong enough..!!

          • Eclipse-girl

            the best pot comes from goose liver.

      • Barbara Angel

        Hahahahahaha an accurate analogy indeed.

    • Barbara Angel

      Well if Co$ wont pay for *toilet paper* who’s going to pay for the heating? France can be very cold in the winter, shudder shudder……..

  • Sherbet

    “Odile Delomez is also listed as having reached OT V by 2005 (so why she couldn’t have just postulated the whole deal is beyond me).” That Tony is such a card.

    • Tony Ortega

      Jonny was the author.

      • Sherbet

        Woops! That Jonny is such a card.

        • Baby

          Sherbie.. They are both Cards!

          • Sherbet

            Aces!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    “But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?

    – Jonny Jacobsen”

    My answer is yes. Yes it is enough. More than enough. Having been a scientologist, I know that what appears on the surface with scientologists can easily be just a mask for other intentions.

    There is historical precedent: The purchase of the Fort Harrison property in Clearwater Florida was done under the subterfuge of using a false group that pretended to be the “United Churches of Florida.” This later turned out to be scientology.

    A large land purchase like this could be a way for scientology to accomplish a new presence in France by using “individuals” to front for the deal. After it is done, the switch to a scientology focused use could occur and nothing could be done about it.

    So, suspicion is very much in order when it comes to scientologists, and without specific legally enforceable contracts that the property cannot be re-sold to scientology or used for any scientology related purpose it should not be done. By enforceable I mean that if any scientology use occurs, all the property and the money paid for it is forfeit and goes back to the seller.

    Scientology and its members get away with abuse of people and the law because there is not adequate consequences afterwards and recourse for the victims. That has to stop. So I see no reason not to prevent them the opportunity ahead of time.

    • richelieu jr

      Thank you for this.

      We mustn’t forget that the entire church was just convicted of Fraude here– For the second time.

      We are through giving these creeps the benefit of the doubt.

      • Jgg2012

        Actually, Scientologists don’t believe in doubt.

        • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

          Are you sure of that?

    • http://mncriticalthinking.com/ Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol

      Very good points, Michael. Scientologists are NOT to be trusted. They are covert and misleading by their very nature. Who knows what this project was all about. Maybe it did have nothing to do with Scientology. So let them prove that beyond any doubt or question. Only when they have made their intentions abundantly clear in a public forum and with legal dox to back it up would I ever consider starting to take them at their word. And even then, I would want back-out clauses. They are just too shifty.

      • Buttons72

        If the “buyers” admit to the local powers-that-be that this is their private refuge from COB/U.S. Co$, (since France is becoming sort of a safe haven against the “church”), then the locals maybe willing to say ‘yes’. However, by all accounts, this ‘historic project’ is clearly intended to be the opposite.

        • PlainOld Thetan

          Don’t forget that the use of historic buildings, such as the Manor Hotel, the Hollywood Guaranty Building, and others, is PART OF THE CHURCH SCHEME to create “goodwill” and allow the “church” into a neighborhood on the basis of “but we’re only preserving a historic building” argument. Many, many Idle Orgs were shoehorned into “historic” buildings on this very basis.
          I’m kind of with Chris on this: don’t let the “church” use historic buildings and a pseudo-religious status to gain a toehold in your community.

          • Buttons72

            Especially since they do to those buildings what they did to Big Blue in LA. That was not preservation, it was desecration and bastardization. I’m in Manhattan and developers are now trying to encase historic churches in concrete while building over and around them. As commercial-for-profit developers go, so has gone the Co$.

    • DamOTclese2

      Oh, and Michael, I could also add that when Mormons move in next door, people don’t immediately get worried. Point being that who else out there calling themselves a religion invoke such a positive reaction based upon being well-informed about said religion which even comes close to Scientology?

      • ChristinaRi

        I’d be worried if Mormons from the FLDS or other polygamist branch bought a sizable piece of land near me and especially upset if the town council sold it to them.

    • Jgg2012

      If they all belonged to the Mafia, wouldn’t you be suspicious?

      • Barbara Angel

        They are a dishonest type of Mafia. The behaviour by Co$ puts the Mafia to shame, but at least the Mafia are up front about being *CRIMINALS*.
        Co$ pretend to be upstanding law abiding citizens. Fair Game policy; Continually LYING, Obtaining property by deception, holding people in the RPF for years and years, financial harassment, bankrupting people, tax fraud, stalking, blackmail, disconnection etc…etc.. Co$ could teach the Mafia a trick or two.

        • Betsy

          After what CO$ did to Clearwater and its innocent citizens, I think we are justified in believing that their entrance into an area can be extremely threatening.

    • OrangySky

      So true, Michael. Residents will rue the day 200 Scientologists (if they could muster that many!) moved into town. I hope French law will allow them to block this development.

      GREAT scoop, Jonny and Tony!

  • media_lush

    Allez Les Blues!

  • Once_Born

    “[…] should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?”

    No – but the suspicion that:

    a) They are fronting for Scientology
    b) That organisation that has a well-documented history of acquiring property with an ulterior purpose
    c) Nobody wants to wake up to find that Scientology has established a presence in your town.

    probably is.

    • richelieu jr

      Nicely put. Much nicer than when I just tried to make the same mpint above.

    • Jgg2012

      The Catholic Church owns property, of course, but if there are 500 million Catholics and they have a billion-dollar portfolio, that’s 2 dollars a person. Scientology probably has $100,000 per parishioner, if not more.

      • Once_Born

        Also, they accumulated it over centuries (and have responsibly preserved a lot of art).

  • DamOTclese2

    Cruise: I think it’s a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist and it is something that you have to earn, and… because a Scientologist does. He, or she has the ability to create new and better realities and improve conditions. Uh, being a Scientologist, you look at somebody and you know absolutely that you can help them.

    Just for Xenu’s sake don’t let anyone know you’re a Scientology customer else nobody will want you anywhere near them, near their town, near their children, in your State, or for that matter, won’t want you anywhere on Teegeeack!

    • SvenBoogie

      That quote remains a perfect example of talking a lot but saying nothing.

      • richelieu jr

        Oh, to me it speaks volumes…

        • SvenBoogie

          What I meant was, in all that word salad, he doesn’t actually make any specific statements or claims as to what is good about scientology. A scientologist does… what exactly? New and better realities such as? Help them with what?

          • richelieu jr

            No worries, I got you. Just making a little joke…

    • Jgg2012

      Just yesterday I heard someone say “where is a Scientologists when you need one?”

      • DamOTclese2

        :) That gives me a happy. :) I know that every time I’m in a vehicle accident the first thing I do is scream, “Nobody touch me unless you’re a Scientology customer!”

        • Jgg2012

          “Is there a Scientologist in the house?”

        • Toni m

          And that were the last words this person said.

  • Radar-Screen

    Why is DM so bent on buying real estate worldwide when there will be no parishioners to attend it. Even his own whales are “abandoning ship?”

  • Modesto

    ‘[A] set of retirement homes for the well-off’ – well, it’s not for the retired gentlefolk of the Sea Org then – why waste money when a dumpster does the job perfectly well?

  • richelieu jr

    I know this isn’t ‘The American Way’ and we do have freedom of Religion here in France– But Scientology is rightly not considered a religion here, and you cannot trust Scientologists not to build an ‘org’ or Narconon or some sort of RPF concentration camp no matter what they say.

    If Monique Rathbun’s trial has proved anything, it is that harrassment and lying are considered sacraments in Scientology. We ahve been through decades of trials and hundreds, event housands of examples that say don’t trust Scientologists.

    They certainly haven’t kept to the sacred pledge they made to get tax breaks, now have they?

    • D.Y.G.

      “you cannot trust Scientologists not to build an ‘org’ or Narconon or some sort of RPF concentration camp no matter what they say”

      21 acres is pretty large. They could build an org, Narconon, an RPF concentration camp, and a Delphian school on that.

      • Jgg2012

        Don’t forget a fundraising building.

        • ze moo

          And a cube farm for the telemarketing operation.

    • Narapoid

      “If Monique Rathbun’s trial has proved anything, it is that harassment and lying are considered sacraments in Scientology.”

      So succinct, thank you.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      I think the Swiss letting the freezone (Ron’s Org) have their building in Grenchen is a relevant coincident that is happening as we speak, in Scientology history.

      Would France allow freezone or Ron’s Org delivery? Or would that be banned? If Ron’s Org prices are lower, and if they don’t do disconnection, and if they don’t do any OSA or heavy ethics BS, then would them just doing their pseudo therapy and exorcism and training be outlawed?

      As far as I can tell, this site

      http://ronsorg.ch/en/gallery/

      of Scientologists, Ron’s Org people, have just gone ahead as Scientology practitioners, and to me, are the test case for the future.

      Should this group in Switzerland behave without causing controversy, that’s the real test.

      http://ronsorg.ch/en/gallery/

      is the biggest unstudied “new religions scholars” falling down on their job!

      On this issue of stirring up the public to make laws to ban the practice of Scientology, like Doherty was writing against, but there is a huge lack of even noticing the Ron’s Org has just gone ahead, and had their building built, and they are delivering training and the Hubbard pseudo therapy, and to what degree they attract any controversy from the neighbors or their clients, is something no one is reporting on or studying, except a little by Jim Lewis.

      So far, it seems that Ron’s Org hasn’t perpetrated extreme Scientology shunning. Ron’s Org in Switzerland has not been sued for fraud.

      I’m an atheist, but I thought that the group of Ron’s Org people who “prayed” for the Int Base when they visted the Int Base a year or so ago, was an interesting moment in Scientology history!

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Chuck, what a great insight! “New religions’ scholars falling down on their job” because they have failed to recognize the extremely fast growth of the independent Scientology movement. I anxiously await the moment it dawns on Miscavige that the number of Scientologists outside his church far exceeds the number inside. If, true to form, he files lawsuits then he surely will go down in flames as his lawyers scream that the church owns the intellectual property rights to the “eternity” Scientologists seek, and therefore they are the only tollgate allowed on the “bridge to freedom.” (That is, of course, if Miscavige is still able to pay for lawyers.)

  • vistaril_LOL

    Vive La France!!

    lessons for the US and UK.

  • Modesto

    Just noticed (Google Earth) that just outside Sainte-Feyre there’s a cornfield in which M. le fermier has trampled the word ‘non’ in 25m letters, big enough for Elwrong to see from his space-home. Sadly for the relevance of this post, the photo is from 2005, so the protest must have been about something else. As you were.

  • mirele

    I don’t think the fact that the principals of the development should *in theory* scupper the development. (Love that word “scupper,” by the way. It’s very nautical and reminds me of the sailor wannabe LRH.) However, that said, given what we know about how some Scientologists have handled their finances, if I were the town, I would want to take a VERY CLOSE look at the books of the project and the legal documents. Because I’d want to make sure that monies were not being scooped up by the principals to fund their expenses at Flag, the unhappiest place on earth.

    tl;dr: Being Scientologists shouldn’t generally doom the project, but to quote Ronald Reagan, “Trust but verify” the financial and legal paperwork.

    • DamOTclese2

      And Mirele, I have to wonder about the people who still have to live there after Scientology players buys the place and starts stinking it up. The sellers may have family members living in town, the sellers themselves may have to live with the consequences of Scientology getting another foot, two feet, four feet in the door of the town.

      They had a Scientology-connected person already involved prior to the sale which apparently did not cause them to worry. Along comes more Scientology people wanting in and people who live there are rightfully worried, more so if sellers still have to live there.

  • chukicita

    If Scientology was just a religion, it would raise eyebrows to scuttle a property deal just because major players are members.

    But it’s Scientology, not a religion. It’s a floor wax and a dessert topping. It’s fraud and what’s-true-for-me-is-real. It’s KSW, make more money and turn the other cheek all rolled into one.

    Scientology is a corporate religion – can’t exist without a bottom line.

  • Sunny Sands

    Cloaking layer upon layer of hidden scientology corporate structure is the way Co$ operates their land deals.

    Southern Land Sales and Development Corp. purchased the Ft. Harrison hotel in Clearwater in 1975. They in turned leased the hotel to United Churches of Florida. The plan was for United Churches of Florida to lease to Church of Scientology of California, but before that happened, reporters were able determine that all 3 corporations were really scientology.

    It looks like France has avoided the fate of Clearwater.

    • aquaclara

      What do you think, Sunny? Maybe we cede Clearwater to France for a little bit. Just long enough for them to get to love baseball, and soundly roust the cult. Then we turn Flag into a chateau.
      Bringing back more of the Quebecers might do as a start.

      • kemist

        Mmm…

        You could make it a popular destination for Quebec snowbirds with their RVs. They already love Florida.

        Instead of creepy staring zombies you’d have a bunch of french-speaking, poutine-loving retirees who are a bit crazy about hockey.

        • ze moo

          You say that like its a bad thing.

          • kemist

            I are one !

            Well except for the “retired” part.

            We are not so bad. I think.

            As long as you don’t criticise our favorite hockey teams.

  • TDA1541A
    • Sherbet

      That both amuses and gives me the creeps at the same time. It’s a little too frenetic for me.

      • Captain Howdy

        It’s annoying and could cause someone to have a seizure..srsly.

        • D.Y.G.

          I definitely can’t look it for more than a couple seconds.

          • Captain Howdy

            “Animated GIFs And Epilepsy Dangers”

            http://www.ibtimes.com/animated-gifs-epilepsy-dangers-849817

            • D.Y.G.

              I’m not epileptic, but I know at least one person here is. I have a hypersensitivity to visual stimuli. Just staring at it for a few seconds (and I have a hard time *not* staring at it) will cause my eyesight to go blurry, followed by a lasting aura similar to those who suffer from migraine. I really can’t see out of my left eye right now. It sounds weird and overly-dramatic, I know, but it’s real.

            • Captain Howdy

              I developed epilepsy when I was 15, but i haven’t had a seizure in ten years. Just looking at CD’s dopey gif for a few seconds caused me to get the epileptic “space”, which is an aura you get before you have a seizure.

            • D.Y.G.

              I’m sorry to hear that! You’ve probably been scrolling past it really quick too. I’m going to collapse the thread.

            • Barbara Angel

              Please leave it up, not every one has epilepsy but those of us that do can move past it quickly, it was worth the smile.

            • Barbara Angel

              I have epilepsy (due to a acquired brain injury) & that did affect me almost causing a partial complex seizure. But still made me smile a lot.

            • Sejanus

              A partial complex seizure….so yer saying its kinda like $cientology. :)

            • Barbara Angel

              Well if a partial complex seizure can be likened to a brain fart? Then Yep definitely the same as $cientology

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              If so many of you are harmed by gifs like this (I have to admit, some of them make me sea sick), imagine the harm that is being done by the cult when they make people stare without blinking for hours. That has to be harmful to someone with epilepsy.

    • mirele

      I walked by this building hundreds of times when I was at UT back in the early 1980s. I had no idea then what Scientology believed (nor did I care). I wish we’d had swarms of Guy Fawkes-masked people in and around the building then…

    • DamOTclese2

      This hurts muh brainz.

    • Missionary Kid

      That looked to me like all the thetans that had joined Anonymous after they were exorcised.

      • TDA1541A

        They seem exited

        • Missionary Kid

          They seem exited and excited.

      • TDA1541A

        They seem exited

      • TDA1541A

        They seem exited

      • Barbara Angel

        I thought they were cooties that had changed sides. Good for a smile or two.

    • Toni m

      I’m celebrating too. I’m the top far left.

      • TDA1541A

        Why yes that IS you.

      • TDA1541A

        Why yes that IS you.

      • TDA1541A

        Why yes that IS you.

        • Toni m

          I’m glad you recognize me.

    • Captain Howdy

      ….

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Brilliant! Before too long, I hope those faces are hanging out of that building’s windows.

      • TDA1541A

        I believe they did in Norway waving the Anon flag out of an upstairs window of the former Ïdeal Org”

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Obnoxiousness will out– and for the CoS it has come home to roost.

    Say what you will about the French being haughty and suspicious– sometimes it’s not such a bad thing.

  • Satansthetan

    Should your religion matter to the people you are doing business with…..OF COURSE NOT! The problem here is that COS is NOT A RELIGION, (or perhaps one should say, a religion in name only, the best to work the underlying scam of separating spiritual suckers/seekers from their money). Nothing religious about that at all.

    • Jgg2012

      Or, as LRH said, its based on scientific fact.

    • Baby

      Amen Satan..

      Never thought I would put those two words together..hahahhaa

  • http://twitter.com/Scientology_411 Scientology_411

    I can’t help but note that the goal was to build “retirement homes for the well-off, with health facilities also part of the plan” when elderly Scientology staff members who can no longer produce enough are jettisoned with no pensions, no social security and no health care.

    Granted this wasn’t an official church business deal but it speaks volumes about the overall mentality of this group.

    • richelieu jr

      “Health facilities’ read:

      “Saunas and a niacin factory’

      • Minion Gayle

        That’s what I read. Next thing you know, your two hundred retirees are two hundred “recovering” addicts and program “graduates” that are now running the place.

    • Jgg2012

      Sort of like Devil’s Island.

    • DamOTclese2

      It would have been a recruitment facility for the crime syndicate, sucking in rich people with cheap vacations and then doing their best to defraud them in to being customers.

  • richelieu jr

    ““I could be Jewish, I could be Christian, I could be Muslim, but—” no, I’m a Scilon and now nobody trusts me. Boo fucking hoo!

  • Phil McKraken

    “Cyrille Pincanon, the Scientologist and entrepreneur promoting the development, insisted his church had nothing to do with the project.”

    Acceptable truth

  • SvenBoogie

    The fact that we stop to consider whether someone’s “religion” (one sec eyes just rolled out of their sockets) is an appropriate reason to bar a land deal is exactly the type of thing that motivated tubby to cloak his con as a religion.

  • richelieu jr

    I am sorry but this reads to me as:

    Scientology was once again convicted of fraud– The whole Cherch this time. Once more and we can throw them the hell out of here..

    They realize their little play for European Commission on Human Rights isn’t going to play, so thye ensconce themselves in this small town, à la Clearwater.

    “What are you going to do? We’re just enjoying ourselves and improving ourselves on private property– Of course we’re not taking any money Ka-ching!”

    At best, they get to say, if not they get to make references to Jews and jack-booted thugs as they are shown the door…

    • Captain Howdy

      Sounds to me like maybe the villagers need to pay a visit to the Castle..err..Chateau.
      F5

      • Sherbet

        I don’t see Guy Fawkes masks on any of those villagers.

        • Missionary Kid

          That can probably be arranged.

  • Baby

    Oh Jonny you’re so fine..You’re so fine you blow my mind..

    Viva La France.. For you.. Check out subtitles..xo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7-tXbJotS0

    • Baby

      What’s funny is listen to this and watch TDA’s Anon dancing..It’s cool..

  • Baby

    OHHHH and they were going to Build another ” Hole ” for 200..

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I’ve heard that is opening up in,Mexico. The US is getting too hot politically for them to run their prison out of. (Hi,Baby)

  • Once_Born

    Why should Scientology want a corner of a country that they are evidently not welcome in?

    Is it possible that even Miscavige has realised that both Scientology and the ‘Ideal Org’ scam are no longer viable, and the CofS is trying to invest some of the reserves, mafia-style, into legitimate businesses, to be profitably run by outsiders against the day that Scientology collapses?

    • DamOTclese2

      From the information available it sounds like it was just a couple of Scientology owners/operators working out a Real Estate deal on their own as private citizens, not as some kind of larger organized crime deal involving David and the rest. That seems plausible and is almost certainly true…

      Problem is given Scientology’s core criminality, no town wants to take the chance that it’s another fraud. I don’t blame them for stopping the sale after the crime connection was discovered.

  • Radar-Screen

    If I am not mistaken, when a mosque was proposed near ground zero, there was no question about who was behind it and no one seemed to be trying to hide it. [Tone scale: -30.0 Can’t Hide? So much for “Total Confront.”]

  • Obviously
    • D.Y.G.

      Let’s move to France and fly an American flag outside out the chateau.

      Wankers.

    • Missionary Kid

      When I try to open the link to Public Intelligence dot net, malwarebytes tells me that it’s a potential malicious website. It even didn’t allow it to open when the picture would usually be depicted right under the https://public…. What gives? could it be that the https instead of http causes problems?

      Anyone else?

      The panoramio.com photo opens up fine.

    • Mark

      Sorry, Obv, that’s not the right place – your photo is of the moated Château de Théret a mile or so south of La Saunière, which is another village some distance to the south-east of Sainte-Feyre. The estate the $cibots wanted to buy borders much of Sainte-Feyre and has an entrance near the town centre, which likely explains the “luxury housing” twaddle and why – cultists apart – the locals got the NIMBYs:

  • Sarah James

    Thank you Jonny. I love France. Some day I hope to go there. They don’t keep their dislike of scientology a secret. They call a cult, a cult. France :-).

    • Sir_Real

      The US, particularly the IRS, should follow suit.

  • 0tessa

    It looks they were planning a Scientology village over there. God forbid.
    The next phase in the global imperialism strategy of Miscavige: after ideal orgs come the ideal villages.

    • Espiando

      More like The Village, from The Prisoner.

      • Phil McKraken

        Shoop request: Patrick McGoohan being crushed by the big rubber ball, but it’s got LRH on it, flappy lips and all.

      • DamOTclese2

        I was thinking more like Village Of The Damned.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          This was the only Krusty alley movie I ever saw. Horrible..

          • Captain Howdy

            The image is from the original, which is a classic. The one with Krustie was the remake.

          • DamOTclese2

            I remember seeing that remake, it was hideous! She was shit in that. The original was awesome, though!

      • Eclipse-girl

        (That is in Wales. it is called Portmerion)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Or that other Village. Back to nature, no need for goldenrod papers, just a little paint.

        http://i.imgur.com/dHeQfi9.jpg?1

      • Artoo45

        Or the fabulous . . . http://scarfolk.blogspot.co.uk/

        This will eat up hours of you life.

    • Phil McKraken

      On the one hand, a Scientology village would be a tremendous flop, and that would be hilarious. On the other hand, it would have ended up a blight on this town. Downtown Clearwater is all anyone needs to know about Scientology and real estate. I am glad to see they dodged the bullet.

  • aquaclara

    “…should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?”
    Yes, absolutely. Because we know that in Scientology, ALL business, all money, all connections keep coming back to the popelet of scamatology.

    IF this were another religion, we wouldn’t have these issues, because, hey, those other religions open their doors to let people come in AND out, don’t coerce every last drop of currency from a victim, generally tell the truth, and generally like to help those who are in need, instead of kicking them literally to the curb.

    Jonny, if this is you taking a vacay from your fine work, please keep it up! Your contributions are always exciting.

  • DamOTclese2

    Okay, off topic but Tweeting about this French town tossing Scientology out was done enough for the day.

  • KNMF

    Scientology cultists were dishonest when they moved into Clearwater. They are not to be trusted.

    “Retirement homes” is a very ambiguous term, especially if one is dealing with Scientologists.
    Beware their “shore stories.”

    • ze moo

      How many of these well off retirees are going to start changing their wills to leave everything to the clampire?

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I’ve never found any evidence that the $cions do anything to take care of their elderly. The,”Way to hapiness,Queen.” was forced to eat out of garbage cans when she no longer made them money. I’ve asked several people including,Torry and none of them seemed to be able to figure out what happens to cherwch elders. Their is no $cion rest home.

      • Baby

        Look at Karen Black’s final days.. Disgusting

        • jeff

          Truly!

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          So sad..

  • baddog5623

    Should a religion that has one of its principle tenants to LIE be a factor? Of curse it should matter. This is a busniess deal that is connected to people that practice deception and have a history of taking over towns. What are the locals to do once the cult has driven down their property values.

  • woodrose

    should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?

    Absolutely. Scilons are known to be deceptive, lying to wogs about their intentions.

    Just ask the town of Clearwater, Florida. The cult didn’t tell them who they were when they started buying up property.

    It is eminently reasonable to suspect that this housing development could become one of those places where scilons in mental health crisis are kept in solitary confinement, or something else equally horrific. Best not to take a chance.

  • AnonRedX
  • Buttons72

    Yes. This amount of money combined with this number of old-blood Co$ members, equals some sort of scam or complex to be built for Scientologists for their refuge and/or human trafficking.

  • Ruby

    It would be interesting to know if the Captain mentioned anything about “upcoming plans for France” at the March 13th birthday event.

  • DamOTclese2

    BREAKING! Mysterious John Doe religious leader arrested! OTVIIIisGrrr8! Has The Scoop! Looks like Tony wasn’t fast enough to be the first to cover this amazing development.

    • DamOTclese2

      Also this just in from Tampa Bay Tribune Ruth: A so-called religion shuns a truth seeker (w/video)

      Regardless of what you might think of Scientology’s founding Thetan, L. Ron Hubbard — does the “L” stand for Loopy? — you do have to give the Very Model of a Modern Major Ersatz Messiah his due. Checks, credit cards and, of course, cash, happily accepted.

      • D.Y.G.

        I love this guy!

      • D.Y.G.

        I love this guy!

      • D.Y.G.

        I love this guy!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          His zinger is loaded, he’s not afraid to aim. There’s so many one liners:

          “What does this make Sara Goldberg? The Galileo of Clearwater?”

          • Panopea Abrupta

            The fate of the bully, now that no one is afraid anymore.

            Enough J and D for the Bunker.

        • Anonymookme

          The Pocket Pope is going to be furious about the J & D from Mr. Ruth.
          I also love this guy.
          Cannot wait to read the cultie comments.

      • Missionary Kid

        I had to add to my list, his description of OSA as “Stasi of Scripture”. It’s at the bottom of What the initials KSW, OT, ARC, OAS & OSA mean http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1084220502

    • Missionary Kid

      That “Police Report” is now a dream of mine.

  • Cymboli

    “But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?” Their money contributes to an organization that destroys families, sucks people dry financially, endeavors to silence critics through intimidation and harassment, and engages in human rights violations. Quite frankly, I have no problem with killing the deal based upon their involvement in the church. None what so ever.

  • Radar-Screen

    “But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?” — This is the question after a higher court found the church guilty of fraud?

  • Sunny Sands

    Nobody has the obligation to sell anything to anyone. The town backed out of a real estate deal and probably broke a contract to sell, for which they should pay the financial penalties as described in the contract.

    • Radar-Screen

      I think the town should keep the money. That is what the church would do.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Cyril Pincanon is listed as Clear in 2009 and completing all three L’s in 2012. That right there is reason to stay clear, imo, especially since they were done so recently under current conditions. Too many reports of members going insane or megalomaniac nuts after the L’s.

    http://www.rue-legendre.me/cyrille-pincanon-scientologue-de-haut-niveau/

    His LinkedIn page oddly has his present gig as: Responsible for public relations and international development at SAS FIVBEE, Manager & Consultant at CYP COUNCIL

    This FIVBEE software looks like one of the employee spy minder set ups, although employes have more pc labels for that sort of thing. But his castle repair/refit work he lists only up to May 2008. Typical for scientology resumes, under Training, there is zilch. Just lists “Lyons”.

    http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/cyrille-pincanon/5a/780/3a?trk=pub-pbmap

    The other name that comes up with his in LinkedIn land is Eric Roux and this is where it gets interesting:

    President at Union of the Churches of Scientology of France (June 2013 to present)
    Reverend in Spiritual Association of the Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre
    Steering Committee at European Interreligious Forum for Religious Freedom (Jan 2013 to present)

    http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/eric-roux/6/b00/258

    • Eivol Ekdal

      “This is a simple application and collaborative permitting a group to achieve their goals!
      At the end of all meetings, all participants know exactly WHO DOES WHAT.
      FIVBEE, is a revolutionary application that allows real time monitoring all actions necessary for the completion of a goal.
      Fivbee provides: a working philosophy, a discussion forum, a place to attach documents necessary for carrying out those tasks and securely.
      Data is synchronized in real time through the cloud encrypted and secure fivbee allowing the website and application to have the information in real time.”

      Sounds like COB orders and compliance reports.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      From the OTC committee Paris notes Mike Rinder published, with great effort they can only get in approx. 200 – 225 seats on the chairs and that includes staff. One public listed as Armi J was 79 and notes about her having problems travelling to Flag due to her age. Armi Joasem, most likely, IAS donor.

      My best guess is that Miscavige wanted to turn this into a Scientology European Center where everything is delivered, including SuperPower and even OT8, Narconon, Delphi type schools, and housing for both staff and travelling public.

      I would investigate the outgoing Mayor for changes in the last year of spending habits or any clues to what he’s been shopping for, or even putting a down payment on, and best to see his financial worksheets, any recent loans and what was used for collateral. If he knew all along that scientologists were the players in this deal and kept silent, that silence did not come free.

      It’s not about whether they are scientlogists. It’s about their stark and undisputed track record over the last 40 years:

      * The extremely high percentage of scientologist wheelers and dealers in major development or investment or real estate deals that turned out to be false, fraudulent and/or downright criminal.

      * The remaining percentage that couldn’t be verified is also a major chunk. At the high end, perhaps 20% of major players projects turned out to be clear of any hidden monkey business.

      * Over this four decade period, the scientology organizations have Never admitted to wrong doing, and active scientologists have Not reported any fraud or financial crimes on their own volition.

      • Barbara Angel

        * Scientologists are also forbidden to look on the internet without approval, and nothing negative about scientology or any scientologist.

        That’s why Co$ trolls that appear on here from time to time, shouldn’t be chased away.
        They are READING the ***Truth*** on this site about the Giant Scam that they fell for.
        Just saying….

    • Captain Howdy

      Roux has a blog that you can translate into english.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thanks. I have to conclude that because France has told Miscavige NO, that he naturally wants to set up his own scientology major shopping mall in the country, just because that’s what sociopaths do when told No. The individual celebrity centers whether London, or Nashville, there’s so few that they’re closing up and moving in to the orgs. I’ll bet this is going to be a major center for say celebrities, no more Nashville CC or London CC.

        There’s been a lot of consolidating going on in the last two years whether actual buildings or events. There simply are not enough paying customers in Paris to sustain the Paris org, so there has to be plans to incorporate a larger playing field and putting up a one stop shop.

        • Barbara Angel

          Hahahahaha well said,
          “His job is to do whatever it takes to paint a halo around the pig and maybe apply a little lipstick. I have to conclude that because France has told Miscavige NO, that he naturally wants to set up his own scientology major shopping mall in the country, just because that’s what ***sociopaths do when told No***”.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        In English on the blog there’s also an address he made at the LSE late last year.
        It was for a pet professor – another academic on a leash.

        Almost as full of s#@t as a septic tank.

  • Baby

    But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact
    that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough
    to scupper it?

    – Jonny Jacobsen

    …………………………………………………………………………………………

    Hell Yes it is.. THROW THE BABY OUT AND THE DIRTY BATHWATER.. which is sewage infested Scilooneytunes

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Fuck yes,you let cultish riff-raff in and there goes the neighborhood. Remember ,Antelope Oregon!

  • Baby

    But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact
    that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough
    to scupper it?

    – Jonny Jacobsen

    …………………………………………………………………………………………

    Hell Yes it is.. THROW THE BABY OUT AND THE DIRTY BATHWATER.. which is sewage infested Scilooneytunes

  • AnonymousSP

    Hahaha. This is what happened when they tried to get the property in Orangeville, Ontario area for Narconon. The people knew and raised alarms and the cult was kicked to the curb. People know what Scientology is and don’t want them nearby. A big love bubble shout-out to all of YOU who are educating people in so many ways.

  • AnonRedX
    • Eclipse-girl

      because we can

      • AnonRedX

        that was my swan song for the day, good night from me. I hope not to see you here when I wake up in 7 hours time, have some rest too.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Get a good nights sleep.
          TY for all that you do.

    • IBBy

      Katy in Ventura is getting sloppy with her ads. No contact info or address in several of them. I see sec checks in her future!

      • AnonRedX

        they are trying to avoid us and hide from us, no tel#, no Address, which is a WIN for us. Few marks/victims will answer an add where you can not contact the supplier directly on the telephone. The email/reply button is too awkward. Vulnerable people want help now, not in an hour or 2 they will then go to the next ad. WE WIN!

      • aegerprimo

        Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb…. GOOD FOR THE RED X BRIGADE!

    • aegerprimo

      AnonREDX – love your avatar! ♥

      • AnonRedX

        I thought you might, thanks for letting me borrowing it.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I don’t men to bring this up but the guy in Ventura makes a good point. I’ve been red-xing and even calling them up for major,Lulz and still have not been paid. $cion’s told me in London that I was supposed to be getting 50 quid a protest and still NO check!. Just shows how out of touch they are. They are probably considering jumping the fence to fund their bridge jump. So once agin here is my address for my check.
      Troy MacGyver
      321 Fiddlesticks place
      Penthouse
      Muddy waters, Fl
      33434
      As you know I’m obviously a criminal like all non $cion’s and need this red-xing salary for lawyers, Dr. shopping and my children’s psyche drug’s(terrible two’s are a bitch)

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Big Pharma sent us all a memo last week.
        Troy, you are going to have to look up your hushmail account.

        They are outsourcing this and there may be delays with this month’s cheques.
        Anyways, you will receive the big Easter bonus we were all promised in May.

        The Management

        • Eclipse-girl

          I really wish I could cash those damn checks.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            They come in non-redeemable karma bucks.

      • Jimmy3

        Wait, you’re not getting paid? To fix this, we’ll need 1 lb. of silly putty, at least two industrial-sized paper clips, an ounce or two of some kind buds, three sheets of construction paper (any color), one empty Big Gulp cup, and a can of Pringles. With all that, we can begin to diagram a way to get you your checks.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          Why did you have me set up direct deposit into my ,Banko sol stato Nigeria acct. then? This is getting utterly confusing;,”Big Gulp cup”? My Union rep(Angry Gay Pope) and my attorney,Ken Moxxon…I do have everything on the list,James.

          • Jimmy3

            Direct deposit? No no, for that you’ll need two ripe avocados, and if one is overripe you’ll need to throw them BOTH away. Two oranges may do as a replacement, although this will be more acidic. You’ll need an entire rubber band ball, or at least a pack of rubber bands, but they must be assorted colors. Let me think… you’ll need sidewalk chalk… Lots of sidewalk chalk. Do you like Cooler Ranch Doritos? Doesn’t matter, you need them. And paper clips. Many, many paper clips.

            It may be unnecessary, but it will be good to have SHAMWOW rags on hand in case you screw up. Best of luck you, sir.

    • Ruby

      This is so funny…Bored states:
      “More people have come to see me lately, mentioned your posts and I have tripled enrollment…”
      That is a complete lie!! Unless it’s 3 x 0 which = 0
      Ventura is dead as a doornail. She is simply using the tone scale tech which says you “handle” antagonism with boredom…thus her name, etc. You are now supposed to feel confronted and shattered!
      I would love to see her stats for real. I guarantee she is NOT swamped with 3x new starts because of your “help”.

  • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Jacobsen

    Oh you guys: always sitting on the fence.
    Let me play Hubbard’s advocate for a minute.
    I take the point about Scientology’s history of lies and deception, as played out with the Clearwater experience (I was going to mention that in the story, but it was running on a bit). But could it not be that France, of all places, would be the last country to have to worry about being taken for a ride?
    Consider the situation. Over here, Scientology has been described as a cult in more than one parliamentary report; last year it was convicted of fraud — as an organisation — by the country’s highest court. And there are already laws on the statute book that could allow the movement to be shut down — or at least to have its activities severely limited — should it rack up another conviction in the future.
    So with all the legal and political safeguards built in here, was there really anything to fear? If the developers tried to turn their project into a retirement community for Scientologists or some kind of a meeting point for the movement, then the French officials have all the tools at their disposal to intervene.
    Having said that, as some opposition councillors have argued, the deal should never have been rushed through ahead of elections. It should be for the incoming administration to look at the deal with fresh eyes — and a clear head.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I like your reporting and am sad that you had decide to close your blog. I am excited that you will still be our “eyes in Europe.”

      I do not know that France has the ability to intervene should the project someone change. I am glad that it does.

      NO ONE wants to see another Clearwater, or even another Narconon built, ever.

      I would rather be cautious and not let the project get started, than to allow the project to begin and try to stop it after harm has been done.

      • http://lliira.dreamwidth.org/ Lliira

        Clearwater is a nice tourist town with a great beach. Scientology does not have the influence there it thinks it does, nor does it have the influence there many people here often seem to think it does. Even in its own so-called “mecca”, Scientology is just not very important.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I would like to think that. I have thought that the downtown in dead due to scientology. Others who live in CW, like Jeb, feel free to chime in.

          During the Hoo – Haw of the super power and the IAS gala, I took a look at properties Mr E I would consider renting for a week visit. There are some very nice rentals that are probably about 15 / 20 mins from downtown.

          Do you think Mark Bunker could win a counsel seat?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      L’avocat du diable?

      He doesn’t need one, they are all busy in Texas.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I’ve done considerable research on the subject of elder care in $cionwackery. They don’t have and never have had a place to take care of their elderly worker’s in any of their front groups. So why it’s a nice thing to ,”turn their project into a retirement community for Scientologists.”,it would never happen as these people are left to dig in trash cans for food and then dumped on the tax payer or relatives to take care of them in their golden years. Whenever, I see one on the street I ask them if they worry about their future and I can tell you that I sometimes get a rather concerned look. The Kool-aid is thick, when,”you can’t see the forest from the tree.” Amazes me that in all of our analytical, investigative insights into the chewcixh this is rarely,if ever mentioned.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiDSrLG2J0g

    • ze moo

      The dwarfenführer is going to use this as an IAS legal/money raising project anyway. But first they have to get to the EU Court of Human Rights (or whatever it is called) and work the ‘they’re picking on us’ angle. Raising money is what the ‘chirch’ does, and not much else days.

      There might be enough whales in the entire European clampire to fill up 200 retirement homes, but I smell a call center and NarCONon.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      “Oh you guys: always sitting on the fence.”

      Yup, that’s us alright. You’ve got us pegged.

      OK, so how about if we get off of it and start building a picket fence around the town of Sainte-Feyre instead?

      P.S. Refresh to see image. Please excuse my image generator’s literal English to French translation and poor spelling. 😉

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      I thought about it. I got off the fence. As long as they’re members in good standing of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology they are signed up to consider only the “ethics” teachings of the “church” to have any bearing on them. They consider the laws of the land as a useful tool to be used to harass anyone who looks at them funny.
      To see how far that sort of thing can go, look no further than the very sad story of Remy PETIT.

  • GalacticGreg

    Mustn’t get lost in the double post today. The new player at the table of Weefuckum & Howe (sp.?), the inimitable Winthrop Cabot Astor V, boss of, as it were, John P, a Bunkeroo extraordinaire.

    Cabot Astor V, Managing Partner, Global Cap Inc.: “John is very successful at this sort of thing. Although he’s only successful to a certain degree. He’s still of that ilk where his jets only have 2 engines, on his private jet.”

    E. Stuart Mills, attorney for R T C: “Think of it. 2 engines. Poor guy.”

    A new and excellent angle, in the J & D’ing (Joking & Degrading) of $cientology Inc, that is a compelling view. Global Capitalism entering the picture to bring opportunities to the table for David Miscavige to approve, of where to move investment monies, in the global economy. Not to be missed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3-7L7Blm4g#t=81

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Futures on Sea Ogre reincarnations, anyone?

      No derivatives – Hubbard was useless at math.

  • sugarplumfairy

    I have progressed spiritually.. I’m very proud to be in this bunker.. Just sayin..

    • Captain Howdy

      Let me guess..Friday..Happy Hour..Woo-Hoo!

      • sugarplumfairy

        =)

        I should be ashamed to be so predictable..

        • Eclipse-girl

          Cheers

          • Ruby

            Right there with ya all.

  • Jimmy3

    Damn, the French really don’t screw around when it comes to Scientolog, right? If only it were this easy in America, there would be no need to worry about the school they’re planning near Columbus. A few letters to the County and to the local school board: “Watch out, they’re Scientologists. I don’t want my people to be tricked by mercenaries.” And just like that, any plans for the Central Ohio Scilon Farm For Young & Malleable Minds would be scrapped. Hurray!

    • GalacticGreg

      If only in America: “Such is the movement’s reputation in France, however, the simple fact
      that he and others involved in the project are Scientologists was enough
      to kill the deal.”

  • media_lush

    just a random photo of a clam stating he can control the weather after GAT 2

    • BosonStark

      What a nutter!

    • AnonRedX

      unf.cking believable!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Guy has a nuclear engineering degree, used to drive nuclear subs.

      http://www.consumerenergysolutions.com/cesnews/september.html

      • AnonRedX

        omg

      • aegerprimo

        Sad.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          I’m just glad he is nowhere near nukes anymore.
          The thought of Kool-Aid anywhere near that stuff conjures up Dr. Strangelove all over again.

          • aegerprimo

            Good point.

    • aegerprimo

      Lying liars that lie. I mean really, Los Angeles is having a drought, Clearwater is barely staying above sea level. I have no idea about Rome, but guaranteed the weather is because it is weather, not because of Super Powers.

    • Jimmy3

      Controlling the weather is pretty cool and all, guy, but first try to gain some control over how you dress yourself. That shirt is a disaster.

      • aegerprimo

        Yeah, the 80’s is calling and the decade wants its shirt back.

        • Sir_Real

          Shirts courtesy of the Timothy Leary Collection:

          • aegerprimo

            Nice grapic!
            But um different decade… psychedelic I think was the 70’s LOL.

            • Sir_Real

              The shirt looks more paisley-ish a-la-1960’s in my very humble opinion, it was not up to me to quibble which specific decade the particular garment’s influences hailed from. I do love your input on this and all the other matters at hand.

            • aegerprimo

              I am not a fashionista… but I think paisley is in fashion in any decade really…
              BUT if you could change the weather with your mind, with your Super Powez… who cares what decade your shirt is from?
              The reality – this guy has no fashion sense and no OT Powerz.
              Sad, but true.

            • Sir_Real

              I, alas, shall nevvah have them fancy Soopah Powahz. Clams do come across as rather dorky quite often, maybe even more so than I, the ultimate non-fashionista.

            • John P.

              Jim Mathers’ shirt looks like the work of designer Robert Graham, or possibly from Italian design house Etro. Graham does a lot of very loud paisleys among other vibrantly colored (and rather expensive) designs. Over the last few years, some of the supermodels have bought me a few in an attempt to blast me out of the relative placid style of Brooks Brothers and Ralph Lauren, which are practically the “uniform” of we mid-level minions toiling in the bowels of Global Capitalism HQ. Search eBay for “robert graham shirt” or “etro shirt” to get a sense of some of their designs.

              Though it didn’t show in the video Tony published in his other story today, Winthrop Cabot Astor V, worldwide managing director from Global Capitalism HQ was wearing an Etro plaid in an attempt to look “California Casual” in the pitch meeting with Scientology lawyer J. Stuart Mills (though I must confess I would have advised ol’ Cabot against a purple ascot to go with the shirt, had he asked me). Even stuffy, near-geriatric upper management types need to look cool from time to time.

            • Sir_Real

              His shirt could very well be an Etro. Thanks for enlightening me on more contemporary men’s paisley shirts.

    • Toni m

      Delusional.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        In a constant state of exhilaration? Um, Jim, there’s another term for that. Seek super psychiatric attention immediately. And be sure to tell him you’re the Rainmaker now.

        • media_lush

          Here’s the full gag inducing text:

          Super Power Success Story:

          Super Power is better than any dream I’ve ever dreamed on my 25 year journey across the Bridge to Total Freedom! On the Super Power rundowns I recovered OT abilities that I never even realized I had lost! My reality is now truly MY reality. My ability to hold my position in space is unshakeable. My postulates work fast and effortlessly. I confront the problems of life, and quickly and easily find the exact solutions that are the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics. Suppression shatters when I look at the source of the counter intention. I am the King of my Universe, and my Universe includes everyone else on this planet and beyond.

          My love for people in general has increased 1000%!

          The Super Power rundowns are a perfect gradient.

          On the first step, I handled all of the injustice on all my dynamics on my whole track. I discovered exactly, who I really am. My whole life changed overnight! I handled every single thing that was bothering me on that first step. I wanted to attest to Super Power right then!

          But, it got better and better and better. My wins and my universe continued to expand and flourish. I blew eons of unconsciousness off my track. I have more energy than ever before! I am really ALIVE now!

          I blew all the aberrations and considerations that tied me down and prevented me from being who I really wanted to be in life, prevented me from doing what I really wanted to do in life, and prevented me from having all that I wanted to have in life. LRH truly unleashed my own super powers. Now, I feel like a Hero from one of Ron’s own adventure stories. I am like the Friendly Giant; Big and Powerful and Kind and Happy; and I’m not afraid of anyone else becoming more powerful, in fact, I want everyone to get Super Power!

          I know now that I will be totally successful in anything I set out to do. I can reach all the way around the planet and help people and nothing can stop me. I get requests from friends around the world to help them solve problems they are trying to confront. I am able to validate, admire, acknowledge and get people to apply the correct LRH reference. Problems are blowing around the world because of Super Power! In one day, I had friends ask me to make it Stop raining in Rome, because of flooding, Stop raining in Clearwater so people could work outside, and MAKE it Rain in California due to a severe drought condition. Within hours, it stopped raining in Rome and Clearwater, and started raining in California. We are entering a new age of Miracles. Super Power is not a 1st Dynamic activity. It’s a 4th Dynamic activity! Of course, my 1st Dynamic has vastly improved over the past few weeks! I’m physically healthier, stronger, more energetic and just plain happier. (I thought I was pretty happy before, but now I exist at a constant state of exhilaration that just does not stop!)

          My awareness of other people has skyrocketed! I understand people better and as a result it’s easier than ever to help my friends. In the past few days, I’ve helped people handle their problems using LRH Tech in the Ukraine, Russia, Venezuela, Dubai, Jordan, Cyprus and the US. My power has truly been unleashed. The only one who could hold me down, was ME. LRH discovered exactly how to undo this trap I was in, and it is done perfectly with the gradient steps of Super Power!

          The Super Power delivery team is out of this world! The Perceptic Drills are perfect! I had so much fun restoring my 57 perceptics that I felt like a kid in a toy store. There is no time to tell you all my wins from these drills. It would fill a book. All I can say is, you have to experience this for yourself.

          My imagination is more vibrant than ever! My aesthetic ability to create and perceive art is fully restored, way beyond my previous “limited” imagination. My beautiful wife and I are currently working to launch a world-wide Way to Happiness campaign to celebrate the United Nations International Day of Happiness on March 20th.

          Thank you to COB & RTC, the Sea Org all over the world, Flag Staff & Crew!!! You all rock!

          My everlasting admiration and love to Ron. Thank you sir, for restoring my power. I will not abuse it. I will not lose it. I will use this gift you have given me to help you achieve the Aims and Goals of Scientology.

          To LRH

          AAARRRGHHH!!! … and here’s a sample of the comments he got (1,012 ‘liked’ the post)

          pic …. my particular favourite “Jim you make my tears drop with a very theta emotion”

          • Phil McKraken

            “My reality is now truly MY reality.”

            Solipsism for delusional ass-hats.

          • Phil McKraken

            “Super Power is better than any dream I’ve ever dreamed on my 25 year journey across the Bridge to Total Freedom! On the Super Power rundowns I recovered OT abilities that I never even realized I had lost! My reality is now truly MY reality. My ability to hold my position in space is unshakeable. My postulates work fast and effortlessly. I confront the problems of life, and quickly and easily find the exact solutions that are the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics. Suppression shatters when I look at the source of the counter intention. I am the King of my Universe, and my Universe includes everyone else on this planet and beyond.”

            I decided to mine the first paragraph above from Ass-hat Mathers for terms and phrases that are copy-pasted from the cult jargon lexicon, to see how much of it was was pure Turing Machine output.

            Super Power
            better than any dream
            journey across the Bridge to Total Freedom
            Super Power rundowns
            recovered OT abilities
            never even realized I had lost
            My reality…
            My ability
            hold my position in space
            unshakeable (sic)
            postulates
            effortlessly
            confront
            problems of life
            quickly and easily
            exact
            solutions
            greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics
            Suppression
            shatter(s)
            (source of the) counter intention
            My universe…
            … includes everyone else (uh no, not me, Buddy)
            this planet
            and beyond! (wait, no, that’s Buzz Lightyear sneaking in there)

            By my count, that’s 24 constituent components from the cult jargon toolkit in just 9 sentences.

            • John P.

              Bravo! Global Capitalism HQ-level analysis of text structure. Way cool!

        • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

          Psychotic delusions are also a sign of a coke binge, FWIW.

    • cs sarabia

      Wow, just wow. An adherent of a religion who actually claims that his religion has helped him develop one of the symptoms of schizophrenia! And he can’t take any meds to fix it.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Needs a serious check up from the neck up. I wanna laugh(did),yet it seems these people just get worse from reading their,”Wins!” bullshit on their super secret ,Facebook groups. Especially when the lemmings get together the lunicay accelerates into complete insanity. The disconnection from reality mixed w/ the group paranoia nurtures this . Funny,because then they attempt to out due one another and it becomes a competition as to who is the most bat shit crazy into this bullshit. The group dynamic usually creates a leader and they all walk on egg shells to not stir up anything that might be reported. After I read 50 pages of this over a month I came to the scary conclusion that you could easily have a Jonestown or Waco type of situation. It is them against a very unstable world out there of,” enterna and water laced w/ prozac. ” And moms proud to send their 12 year old into davey’s navy;”I’m so proud!” Sick, twisted fucks need help so bad but are hard to like when they hate everybody else.

        • cs sarabia

          ” I came to the scary conclusion that you could easily have a Jonestown or Waco type of situation.”

          That hadn’t occurred to me, but it’s actually not a far out scenario. I think of the weapons cache that’s reported to be at Gold Base. Shudder. Even if there aren’t that many true believers, all it takes is a few. Jones’ henchmen went around forcing the kool aid on the unwilling.

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            Someone asked one of the ex-gold staff that very question and they agreed.I thought it was over the top until recently reading their communication’s w/ each other.

    • NOLAGirl

      So, in ONE day, this clown had friends from Rome, Clearwater and California ask him to help with weather problems? I’m sure Jim Cantore would be impressed.

      Jim Mathers, you are so full of shit I can smell you from here.

    • Sir_Real

      GAT 2 can’t control the weather but I can:

  • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

    Sneaky bastards. Like everything they do is so covert. Will the real 1.1 please stand up?

    OT: Very brief mention of JLo talking about helping Leah transition out of $cientology on the Ellen show.

    http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jennifer-lopez-helped-leah-remini-get-through-scientology-exit-2014213

    • aegerprimo

      I think I made a comment and it disappeared.
      SPW this article is a good find! Thank you.

  • media_lush

    Ever wondered what happened to Eddie Frencher (ex boyfriend of Bella Cruise)…. well, he’s still in and dating another clam… she made a comment on the Skrillex “scientologists are my homeboys” from yesterday (worth a visit and put a few scion commentators to rights http://www.fuse.tv/2014/03/skrillex-scientology-upbringing-homeys )

    • outraged

      What’s up with Skrillex? He is hiding his head in the sand.

      • media_lush

        I think he’s learnt that any defence of scientology is not a good thing

        • outraged

          Is he drinking the kool aide? I had no idea. Love some of Goriilaz music.

          • media_lush

            she definitely is and I doubt she’s be allowed to date him if he was an SP

            • outraged

              that’s a real shame. Kind of interesting that he is not really ‘out’ as a koolaider. Because of bad publicity or his real feelings about the cult? Hope it is the latter. Otherwise, he is BLINDED by the light.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Mar. 21: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #17,405 – down 150 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 16,079)
    Scientology: US rank #39,458 – up 1,586 from yesterday. (Average rank last 3 months: 40,208)

    Difference: 22,053 – 1,736 less than yesterday. (Average difference last 3 months: 24,128)

    Clicks from India – 3,3% today.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I really enjoy this.Thanks for putting your time into getting this info. Makes me happy all of you sharp people are making a difference! I wonder how many people we have saved from a lifetime of abuse and if we should expand internationally. I worry he’s going to get a grip in Asia using well placed payoff’s etc..

    • aegerprimo

      Excellent Johnny Tank! I love your Alexa posts. Bummer to see Co$ is using clicks from India again. Good to see they are not helping them much.

      • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

        It’s not as high a % as it used to be of Indian click-farmers.

  • outraged

    Did a new post just disappear or I am getting senile dementia. Swear I saw a Jon Attack post here, above this one.

    • Sir_Real

      It was just a flash in the pan, apparently.

    • Jimmy3

      I too glimpsed the future you describe. Obama was still POTUS and MH370 was still missing. And Jon Atack was there and Observer was there and Captain Howdy, too. The Future Bunker was a very happy Bunker: warm and welcoming, until it spit me back into the cold and uninviting present. Now I long only for Future Bunker.

      • FromPolandWithLove

        I also have glimpsw of future. HANGOVER

      • Captain Howdy

        What number post was that? It wasn’t number 370 by any chance?

        • Jimmy3

          There are 278 as I type this.

    • http://xenutv.com/blog Super Power Wog

      It was your increase in OT abilities from being a Bunkerite : ) I too saw a glimpse into the future.

    • Sibs

      Maybe it was what was supposed to be tomorrow’s post. Jon Atack is usually on Saturdays.

  • Captain Howdy

    There’s a new story up in case you didn’t know.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      wooooooooo

      • FromPolandWithLove

        but, but where? I don’t see any new post, and I’m just beginning to drink ( it was very shitty day for me)

        • NOLAGirl

          Hope you have a better evening friend. :)

          • FromPolandWithLove

            This is evening of broken rules. 1st Never drink when You are alone , sad and angry. 2nd DO NOT post personal “blabla” on The Underground Bunker. ;p. One rule left unbroken: DO NOT send messages to your Spanish teacher when drunk. At least for this moment

            • aegerprimo

              .

            • Sir_Real

              It was in Xenuese.

            • aegerprimo

              DAMN! I thought I knew that language!

        • Sir_Real

          I regret your having a shitty day, was wondering what your drink of choice was over there in Polska? Hope it brings you comfort.

          • FromPolandWithLove

            Martini Rosso – just because this is only bottle of alcohol in my home now;)

    • Sir_Real

      It vanished, I was just getting into the groove of the new topic then, alas, the Ghost of the Right Reverend Tub-o-Lard vanquished the new post.

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    New article at the Tampa Bay Times, DM playing kissy face with the City:

    “Scientology’s leader reaches out to mend fences with Clearwater”

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientologys-leader-reaches-out-to-mend-fences-with-clearwater/2171392

    • NOLAGirl

      In typical fashion, Tiny Dictator’s biggest worry was how he and Co$ are being portrayed in the Times. Sad, narcissistic little man.

    • aegerprimo
      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Tony emailed,tommy and he called him that in his reply.

    • kemist

      Despicable little goblin.

      Trying to get good PR with “opinion leaders” the better to take a dump on the remaining inhabitants of Clearwater.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      all for a garage. what a douche

    • B.B. Broeker

      How ecclesiastical of the ascetic COB of RTC, who is ostensibly devoted entirely to the defense of the tech and scriptural matters, to admit that his control of the Church is so total that He alone will decide whether the Church will sell a vacant lot to the city of Clearwater.

      “Miscavige told Horne on Thursday that he would reconsider the church’s position against letting go of its Drew Street property.

      “He said he would take a look at it,” Horne said.”

      • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

        Well, we know from Texas that Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige is all over trademark and copyright disputes. Oh, wait, was that disputes about the religious purity? Whatever it was, DM has never even heard of Texas. Or of Marty Rathbun. (See the teaser photo from the Sunday TV show in Australia where Marty has as many stripes on the sleeves of his pretend sailor suit as DM.)

  • nottrue

    Ill find that post….

  • media_lush
    • aegerprimo

      You have a knack of combining headlines to make heads spin in LULZ. ♥

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      Well done,as always!

  • NOLAGirl

    If anyone wants a good giggle, Rinder just put up a new post. That these people think these stats are signs of growth is just eyeroll worthy. Wake up people!!!

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/flag-ot-committee/

  • aegerprimo

    RED X RED X RED X!

    If you have time and the gumption, help with the “Taking down Co$ on Craigslist/ Co$ ads on Craigslist” project. All you have to do to join the RED X Brigade is to click on the links to CL ads and FLAG THEM.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-64#post-2437075

    Here are the instructions on how to do it FAST and EASY…

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-64#post-2437075
    .
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    • Eclipse-girl

      Did I tell you that I really LOVE the graphics you have provided?

      This one is my fave

      • aegerprimo

        Thank you EC! I have fun making them.

    • Barbara Angel

      OK I’m back on duty & off I go to flag’em.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Nice to see you again 😉

        • Barbara Angel

          Thank you PA, Got’em All (5 hours in total today) and enjoyed every minute of it, especially seeing the counter ads and clicking the little red heart.

    • aegerprimo

      THANK YOU everyone who helps flag these ads!
      As a thank you… free virtual open bar for everyone in the bunker right now.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Make mine a Macallan

        • aegerprimo

          Just Googled that… yeah, make that two – neat.
          Cheers!

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        Just a couple oxy 80s and a couple benzos,neat w/ a club soda chaser please. Especially,since I haven’t been paid this month. I’ll have to go back to having t davis SMCOHB.

        • aegerprimo

          Oh jeez..
          FREE virtual BEER on endless tap for you!

        • Captain Howdy

          Easy pezee, that’s a dangerous combo.

    • aquaclara

      Flagged and flagged. Up the list in the morning; down the list in the evening. Two computers. The ads for “raising a happy baby” or parenting classes are flagged for Laura and Claire and the moms who suffered in the cult, since this fucker of a cult has no business talking about families or babies.

      Texas, well, that’s flagged for Derek and Mosey.
      Florida, for those who died. Boston, that used to be for pretzel boy, but is now for all the Narconon victims who tried to do something good, but were deterred by a lying cult. I have something for every location.
      Ireland. Manchester and Birmingham. South Africa. The Aussíes.

      Thinking about the victims, the moms, the survivors we have here, and friends from all over the world who have spoken out, while I flag my way through the list helps make this a reflective time, rather than a task. I hold a special one for the baby Cadet Org -Sea Org kids, who shouldn’t be there or in the Mace-Kingsley sauna in the first place.

      And oh, Ventura. that’s for the Anons all over. An equal dose of hearts to keep the good ads in, plus the x’s where needed.

      Please keep flagging, everybody. It makes a difference.

    • Toni m

      Done.
      The list in the link is from yesterday. I went down and I found the one from today. That is the one I flagged. They are like 10 blues, mostly books….. or it doesn’t make a difference which one we use?

    • ParticleMom

      For those of us who are not so tech savvy:
      1) To open the links quickly, hold down “control” as you click on each on the list.
      2) To close after you “red x” it, use the keyboard shortcut “control + W”

      I’d put that in the comments of the video, but my youtube account isn’t anonymous :/

      • aegerprimo

        I cut-and-pasted your instructions in the YouTube comments for you.

        • ParticleMom

          Thank you :)

  • Dorothy Gale

    A scientologist, according to their religious scripture, is not allowed to simply be a HUMAN. They must be a
    scientologist FIRST. In fact HUMAN, in scientology culture and scripture, is a NEGATIVE way of being. So these French scientologists want to be seen as “regular folk”, when “regular folk”, aka wogs, are something to be loathed. To the French in the town of Sainte-Feyre, Limousin, I have a one-word response: “Clearwater”. Look at how the scientologists entered Clearwater, in the beginning. And look at it today. This is what they do. They lie to “wogs” because it is “ok”, by their scientology morals, to lie to us wogs. The owners of the chateau, by their religion, being required to be a scientologist before any other kind of “being” (human or otherwise), must obey their scientology leaders. If their “high-demand group” and its totalitarian leader decide that the chateau at Sainte-Feyre should be re-purposed for a new Narconon, or another castle for the personal use of David Miscavige (see South Africa), then that is simply what will be done with it. The council at Sainte-Feyre is wise not to give up control to any scientologist for these reasons. The French seem to inherently understand this.They have historically already had to deal with a Napolean so now it seems as though “never again” is in their blood. I applaud France for the convictions of the criminal scientologists as well as this important denial of property ownership of a French Treasure. DON”T give it up! Vive la France!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Nice to see you again.
      Wise red shoed woman.

    • Jimmy3

      Wogs are loathed, but Wog currency is accepted with a smile.

    • Captain Howdy

      These Novice Homos can go to hell!

  • Eclipse-girl

    Not the most important article that Radar Online has run.
    In fact, it is pretty darn mild.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/03/leah-remini-scientology-jennifer-lopez-ellen-supported-exit-quit-church/

    • media_lush

      did you know this

      pic

      • DamOTclese2

        Sounds like Jennifer Lopez is a dumbass. She must not know what a godfather is or does.

        • aquaclara

          It’s scary, isn’t it? Dos Scientology even have godparents? And if she’s raising the kids Catholic, why pick a Scilon as a godparent unless you want to take the chance of having your kids dragged off to Delphi Academy. Catholics will let one godparent be not Catholic, as long as the others are. Or something like that.

          • Jimmy3

            For a Christening in the Catholic Church, both Godparents need what amounts to a signed letter of recommendation from the Pastor or a Priest of the Parish that each Godparent belongs to. This can be either very strict or very lax, depending on who is running the Parish. I recently stood as Godfather at my new favorite human’s Christening, and all I needed was a letter written by a secretary and signed by a Pastor. They were more than happy to provide this, despite my non-activity in that Parish or in any other Parish for several years.

            But there are other Pastors who will flat out refuse to sign any letter for someone they know well and haven’t seen in years. It is much like anything else in the Catholic Church: the congregation and leadership of one Parish does not apply to the entire Church.

          • Tory Christman

            Yes…in $cientology’s book of “Ceremonies” they have one for I think they call it a “Naming Ceremony” where you pick godparents. What Jennifer Lopez does or does not know..I wouldn’t try to guess. I hope she’s not suckered into this mess, and if so: BAIL WHILE U STILL CAN~! (A message to any and the FEW who are still “in”)

      • Eclipse-girl

        I found that out on radar. J Lo’s kids are how old, now? 5 or 6?

        • media_lush

          ahem, that was me

          • Eclipse-girl

            Interesting that was you. TY. I owe you a beer or something if I ever get across the pond.

          • Eclipse-girl

            TY for the support in the past.
            I owe you a pint if I ever get across the pond, again.

    • outraged

      I know. Usually I comment at Radar but this time I had no idea what to say. Very unusual for me. :-}

  • SvenBoogie

    “Scientology has given me a lot of answers.”

    “… but I can’t name a single one of them specifically” was the part he forgot to say.

    • kemist

      I thought it was :

      “… problem is, the questions made no freaking sense.”

  • media_lush

    a small selection of pics from the Ron Hubbard Golden Age Theatre and Fort Harrison…. and yes, I think we’ve found a fully grown scientologist male smaller than Miscavige!!

    • Frodis73

      Can’t believe this is a real thing. Can you imagine how funny it must be to sit through this bs?? LOL.

      • SvenBoogie

        The sad thing, anyone who would appreciate WHY it’s funny isn’t allowed to see it.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          Do you have to show your IAS card to get in? We could just practice that stare and wear some ugly $cion clothes and sneak in. It has to be so bad it would be funny. Is that short guy dm’s ecliiulzastical twin?

      • Sir_Real

        The pictures alone are embarrassing to behold, imagine how excruciating these performances were live.

    • aquaclara

      Some of them looked far too young to be messed up in this cult. It just breaks my heart.
      I wish they could talk to Chuck or Michael Tilse or TheHoleDoesNotExist or DeElizabethan or any one of our star survivors here. Just to get a snapshot of what life will be like for them the longer they stay in, AND see what it’s like out in the real world.

      • Guest

        Hey I talked to one, today! Here ya go………..(It’s a bit off topic for the subject today…and congrats to the French! But…I thought you all would like to hear this :)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0f0hXjQDuE&list=UU__gcXYVQlmVocNLZykibUw

      • Guest

        This is a bit off topic from the French…and congrats to ALL who helped with them :) Today I did
        talk with ONE of them…and here’s what happened:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0f0hXjQDuE&list=UU__gcXYVQlmVocNLZykibUw

      • Guest

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0f0hXjQDuE&list=UU__gcXYVQlmVocNLZykibUw
        Why does this keep posting my last video? Anyways, hopefully THIS one will work.
        A) Congratulations to the French!!
        B) This is someone I happened to run into at Cosco, that I thought you all might find interesting.
        HAPPY FRIDAY TO ALL :) Tory/Magoo

      • Tory Christman

        I am TRYING to post my latest video and for some reason it keeps posting my last one. Anyways, Congratulations to the French! Here ya go….my running into Ed Bryant in Cosco. (If it keeps posting my St Paddy’s day video, will someone go to my YT site (ToryMagoo44) or Tory Christman on FB and get it from there?) Last try:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0f0hXjQDuE&list=UU__gcXYVQlmVocNLZykibUw

        • Tory Christman

          I cannot post my latest video—will someone else? Gotta run for now. Love to ALL :)

        • Tory Christman

          Ok…thanks to whomever helped on this (if anyone did)…at least it finally got posted. So sorry for the 4 other posts of it: DOH! Love to all :)

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        I was reading Black Rob’s collection of LULZ and a $cion referred to children as just adults in little bodies. Just like Hubtard did when he’d throw them in the hole on his ship’s without food until they stopped crying. I’m not very emotional but I teared up and shut my computer off and went to the gym at 11pm.

        • aquaclara

          It’s horrible, isn’t it? Have you read Jenna’s book?

          • Eclipse-girl

            Its a great first read. No child show grow up that way.
            I am glad Jenna is living vicariously through her own children.

            I have written a personal list of various books, by those who were and those who were investigating.
            I am always look nor new title to add.

          • Troy MacGyver SP

            No, is it a tear jerker?

            • aquaclara

              Well, yes, but only because we’re very human. Jenna is pretty matter-of-fact in her writing style, so it’s when you really think about the events she describes, you cannot help but be disgusted with Scientology, angry at Miscavige for letting this continue, and sad for Jenna for having had such a lousy childhood.

              We know her story is also the story of hundreds of other kids, which is where I lose it even more.

              I recommend her book-try the library or Amazon….in the library, it’s in biographies, so easy to find by last name.

        • Tory Christman

          I’ve lived through *many* Scientologists dying….far too young. Many are just swept under the rug, no funeral..no mention of their death. Scientology (the “church” GACK) only has funerals IF someone is considered an “Opinion Leader” (Someone many would know).

          THE Worse memorial I ever went to was an FSM’s daughter hit by a car in her teens or 20’s. The Father got up and literally (no kidding) did this sales “pitch” for someone to “Please take my daughter” (Next lifetime)…”She’s a wonderful girl”. It was SO SO Sad, and the death was bad enough, but the Dad thinking he could “Sell” her spirit…it was
          A W F U L!! May they ALL R.I.P. Finally OUT of that insanity, pretending to be a “church”.
          Love to ALL here :) Tory/Magoo

  • Observer

    We have a free pay channel preview from our satellite provider this week, and you’ll never guess what was on when I turned on the TV.: the 1995 version of Village of the Damned, starring Kirstie Alley. I think Sainte-Feyre narrowly avoided becoming a French version.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s what came to mind when I first read Jonny’s article.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I saw that last year when I broke my leg and my greyhound hid the remote. It was so bad it was almost good. Her cultish glint shined through and she had the chain smoking Dr. down.

  • John P.

    My first major blog post since returning from hiatus is now up on my site. I was asked recently by a number of ex-Scientologists what it would take to drive the cult into bankruptcy. In this report, I wrestle with that question. I look at one possible scenario (not the only one) by which Scientology may in fact go bankrupt and become nothing more than a stained footnote in history.

    Given cash reserves that I estimate at over $1 billion plus an extensive real estate portfolio, it seems on the surface that the cult is invulnerable. But there are some events that I believe reasonably possible, which may end up making it impossible for the cult to use its cash or its real estate to save itself from what appears to be a bona fide death spiral.

    Check it out at http://www.johnpcapitalist.com/2014/03/one-scenario-for-the-end-of-scientology/

    • SvenBoogie

      It’s hard for a cult which is basically about making its members/victims bankrupt, or as near it as possible, to truly go bankrupt. In Hubtard’s time, if everyone in the cult was bankrupt but him, as long as he was swimming in cash no doubt he’d have considered $cientology a complete success. Hard to imagine it’s any different under mini-me DM.

      • John P.

        There is one small problem with the “extract every single penny from each member” business model. By definition, as soon as any given member is bankrupt, aggregate future revenue potential from that customer goes to zero. Thus, you need to keep bringing in new members or the model eventually stops working, especially when your members have a habit of dying of cancer or stress far earlier than normal life expectancy, as many OT’s seem to do. If, instead of 25,000 members each bankrupting themselves with an average potential revenue of, say, $125,000, the cult had gone for 1 million members, each with a lifetime customer potential of only $10,000 ($500 per year for 20 years), then aggregate revenue would be dramatically higher.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          Subscription model’s in retail seem to be a great revenue boost. I think that 1/3 of Costco member’s go less than twice a year. But bringing whales into a psychotic cult must be difficult. Being constantly reg’d must just be a drag after awhile. Blackmail mixed with the subscription based model must be working.

          • John P.

            You’re right on both counts. Last time I checked, Costco’s operating income was approximately equal to the membership fees it charges. In other words, they get a fixed $55 per customer in profits, and run the warehouses at breakeven to protect that profit stream.

            And the horrific stories of brutal regging I heard in the last two weeks when I’ve spoken with a large number of ex’s would blow your mind. It turns out that even some impressively big money donors have reported being treated no better than anyone else as the desperate attempts to keep the money machine going have been stretched ever thinner.

            The blackmail thing works but it’s working less well all the time, and is nearing the breaking point. I’ll look at per-customer revenue in a future post when I take apart some of the spreadsheets that Mike Rinder has leaked.

            • joan nieman

              Thank you for your most informative expertise John P. I always enjoying reading your comments.

        • Missionary Kid

          Supposedly, a good business model for manufacturing is to make something that is so cheap, but handy to use that everyone uses it.

          The guy who invented the shoelace made a fortune. The cost was so low, and everyone started using them in the late 1700s and early 1800s. He made two and a half million dollars, worth 50 billion in today’s money off of the patent.

          David Mismanage is trying to make big money off of a few whales. Unfortunately, that means that turning off the money from a few of them will have a huge impact.

    • jeff

      You must be using speech to text because you wrote “sleeve labor wages” unless that is a term with which I’m unfamiliar. I don’t know if you considered it, but my preference would be for an arrest of the Scientology pope and imprisonment. I wonder how many clams would see him as a hero for going to prison for Scientology?

      • John P.

        Yes, how else could I write over 5,000 words in less two hours if it weren’t for Dragon Naturally Speaking? I am a good typist, but I’m a way better dictator. I did make what I thought was a pretty tight edit pass and thought I got most of the homonyms, but obviously missed one. Oh, well…

        • jeff

          It’s cool. I prefer typing, despite being a horrible typist, because it helps me to slow down and consider what I really want to say. Later, I’ll read it over to see if I couldn’t have said it better.

        • aegerprimo

          I am in AWE you made your Dragon Software work for you. I tried, and I have a clear speaking voice… but it did not work for me. I type 60+ words a minute. Maybe I type faster than I speak?

          Unsure

          • John P.

            One needs a really badass processor with lots of memory to make Naturally Speaking work up to its full potential. I am on a high end desktop with 16gb of RAM and two quad-core processors. An underpowered notebook with inadequate RAM, by comparison, will suck wind.

            I also have a high-quality Logitech USB headset with a noise-cancelling boom microphone. You will fail badly if you use the internal microphone in a laptop, in particular. The cheap headset that comes with the program is OK but a high end unit really improves the accuracy.

            The four monitor portrait mode setup also helps with concentration, because I rarely have to flip back and forth between windows to go from my outline to my final text. I can see two pages of final draft text on one monitor to help me manage the “flow” of an article, which you can’t do when the screens are mounted in landscape mode. At least one of the other two screens has a Chrome browser session allowing me to keep relevant Internet searches for stuff like financial data on the screen at a time.

            The right tools with maniacal focus on attention to detail on some of the little things actually make a huge difference in being a writing monster. I have been building the perfect writing environment for 15 years, and it’s finally getting to a point where the tool disappears and I can work as fast as my brain will let me.

            • Jimmy3

              In my experience, this is a very welcoming community. I’m sure you could just admit that you’re a cyborg and everyone would be cool with it.

    • Eclipse-girl

      John P.’s article is excellent.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Poland is glad You ‘ve come back:)

      • John P.

        Dziękuję. Cieszę się, że wracam.

        • FromPolandWithLove

          Nie ma za co:) Miło mi JP

    • aegerprimo

      Thank you JP. ♥

    • Sir_Real

      An excellent article written with a practical business and legal perspective. Highly recommended read.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      They do have some beautiful pieces of real estate. Does anybody know if when they remodel the more historic buildings if they ruin them by putting in auditing rooms etc..Just wonder how difficult it would be to flip them for cash. They saved that beautiful Celeb Center in LA from demolition. But the historic building in downtown San Francisco is that for instance kept,more or less,intact?

      • John P.

        The blog post does deal with this in some detail. I believe they keep the exteriors intact, as they did with the Transamerica building in SF and the CC LA. They customize the internal floor plates heavily and their requirements significantly degrade the resale value of the property because a future tenant would have to gut the place and start over; none of their buildings are in “move in” condition. That, plus the lack of “deep” maintenance (elevators, HVAC, etc) will knock down the price significantly. They’ve got a terrible track record of maximizing value on the buildings that they’ve sold in the last couple years.

        • jeff

          The clams have nothing to do with the Transamerica Pyramid. Their Ideal Morgue, is, however, diagonally up the street from there.

          • jeff

            “In 1999 Transamerica was acquired by Dutch insurance company Aegon. When the non-insurance operations of Transamerica were later sold to GE Capital, Aegon retained the building as an investment.”

          • John P.

            The SF Org is in the original (century ago) headquarters of Transamerica Insurance on Columbus Ave, a classic historical building. It’s referred to as the “Transamerica Building” to distinguish it from the modern Transamerica Pyramid, which was built in the early 1970s.

            • jeff

              I’ll take your word for it. But, I can guarantee you, not a whole lot of people who live here know that. To most everyone, the Transamerica building means the pyramid. But the Scientology org used to be located behind Carl’s Junior on McAllister, just steps away from the intersection of 7th and Market. (a supremely dicey location) And the address of the new org is technically on Montgomery Street.

            • Troy MacGyver SP

              I knew that and also knew where their old building was at the entrance to one of the worst drug infested neighborhood’s in the city. Spent some time at a law school across the school taking a class. People just sat and smoked crack and sold drugs all day long. I was there recently and it seems to be a bit better. Wish it would have stayed where it belonged. The Transamerica building is beautiful. Transamerica tower is,too.

            • N. Graham

              I remember in the late 70s, early 80s it was in a building across from a theatre that continually played the Earthquake movie since it was specially equipped to simulate an earthquake-anyone remember what street that was?

            • Saint

              NB: the Transamerica building has been more recently renamed to the Transanonymous building.

        • SvenBoogie

          In other news “Scientology has a terrible track record of…” was recently voted ‘most likely to be followed by an accurate statement.’

        • Phil McKraken

          Super Power Bldg has to be the king of all white elephants. Due to its absurd shape, its interiors are destined largely to be windowless. I think it goes under the wrecker’s ball first.

      • aquaclara

        Just a guess, but Pasadena is probably a more attractive flip, than, say, hmmmm, the Valley.
        And that plus Portland are probably a better bet than anything in Arizona or Ct or Ohio. NY looks like it’s had horrendous upkeep, as do Philly,Toronto and Chicago, despite all being in relatively acceptable locations.

        Locations and maintenance matter.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Awesome post, John P. Thanks for putting your time and thought to analyze it.
      Highly possible scenario, in my opinion.

    • OrangySky

      Glad you’re back!

  • Frodis73

    I really hope somebody can help me find this. First, the reason I can’t find it: my motherboard died so I’m using a backup one that is really old & slow. It also locks up a lot and just makes net surfing an annoying process all around. I’m not just being lazy. :-)

    On the 17th somebody posted two links to bought pr ads by our fav church. One of them was for Narconon and some announcement about how proud they were to be CARF certified. A couple of us were really wondering about this as CARF seems to be legit from everything I have found (so far). I wrote them and actually got a reply back that was kind of a non answer to my direct questions really. Anyway, I really need that original story. If somebody out there remembers & could help out, I’d be forever grateful!
    I will go gleefully read John P’s prediction of the church’s downfall & pray to Xenu somebody remembers…I’m not OT, so, well, ya know. :-)

  • i-Betty

    “He denounced the timing of the revelations as a tactic by his political enemies.”

    It’s wonderful that the very word ‘scientology’ is dirt to be dug up on a competitor and used to scupper their plans :)

    Vive la France, vive la liberte. Cheers, Jonny!

  • media_lush

    I came across a pic of Miscavige looking disturbed I’d not seen before – there was no link for reference… any ideas?

    • SvenBoogie

      Probably scared of the zombie behind him…

      • Sejanus

        Brainssssssssss…Braa…uh me mean…..

        CLEARRRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZZZ,……..CLLLEEAAARRRZZZZZZZ…lol

    • Eclipse-girl

      It reminds me of one i have seen when Davey is in a court room sitting forward with his head supported in his hands. Lou is next to him in that one, too
      I thought it was from the Lisa MacPherson era

      • media_lush

        is that ‘Lou’ on the right above?… the assistant he was supposed to be having an affair with that freaked Shelly out?

        • Toni m

          I just read in your website the disconnection of Mary McCallan. I notice that Mary and Sara have something in common, they still in love with hubbard. Do not get me wrong please I wish they connect with their families again. No mother deserves the loss of her children. But tomato nut is the root of all this mess, of course he have something good in his words but he steal them from others. And the evil that is scientology, manipulation, lies, fair game, separation of families came from him. Slappy little worm has just perpetuating what was already there and he loves taking it to the extremes.
          I know it takes time to get scientology out of their minds, after all, they were many years having this indoctrination day in and day out.
          Thank you for your information and I hope the best for this two ladies and their families.

        • Eclipse-girl

          yes.

          • Sejanus

            Migosh…thats a WOMAN?
            Yikes!

      • Shelly Britt Corrias

        Yes, McPherson trial. And yes (ML), that’s Lou on the right.

      • Troy MacGyver SP

        I didn’t realize Lou had been his mouth piece for so long. She’d be great to be deposed in the third person.

        • Troy MacGyver SP

          She looks like a mansion follower. I forgot Charlie was an IAS member. Wonder if he still gets Freedom magazine in jail?

          • Ardent

            A little like Squeaky Fromme?

        • Baby

          I can see why he’s all GA GA over her.. She’s a real looker that one.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Yes, she has been by David’s side for decades.

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      He always looks like a cross between psychotic and pensive.

    • Frodis73

      He looks oh so confused a bit. I’m sure the legaleese of court hurts his brain.

    • Ardent

      He’s thinking: I didn’t fart, I didn’t fart, I didn’t fart, I didn’t fart….

  • Baby

    OFF Topic..

    I am officially SMASHED… Buzzed, snockered, wasted, uh.. I’m too drunk to think of other synonyms… I can’t believe I wrote synonyms .. cause I’m Blitzed..

    I experimented by myself tonight on how to make Mango Margaritas.. and I think I found a winner. .. OK carry on.

    ( Hubby and dogs sleeeeeeeeeeeping shhhhhh )

    • Troy MacGyver SP

      I love mangos and so does one of my Greyhounds! But tequila gives me wicked hangovers. Now is not the time to go pop out for last call. Drink some water before you go to bed sweetie. I’m jealous,I’m sober as a Waldrip before a writ of Mandameous.

      • Baby

        Where I live there are fresh mangoes always… and when I visited with my buddies Bury and Rev I got hooked on Mango Margaritas..

        I am not a big drinker.. but apparently tonight I am..hahahhaa… and went down pretty good.. but had to keep experimenting with the recipe …and I am so loaded now I forgot what it was or if I liked the 4th, 5th or 6th one the best.. sigh..

        • Scream Nevermore

          Well, try them all again, and this time write down the result, then let us know!

          • Baby

            Just woke up! 1:00 PM … OHHHHH the joys of retirement ( well plus dishwasher)

    • Baby

      Night friends…………..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Toni m

    A day with good news. Hope we have more like this. Thank you J.J. and Mr Ortega Thank you that you are every day with us.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Not sure if it was mentioned earlier. More coverage is better.

    “Jennifer Lopez Opens Up About Helping Leah Remini Through Her Decision to Leave Scientology”
    http://www.eonline.com/news/523642/jennifer-lopez-opens-up-about-helping-leah-remini-through-her-decision-to-leave-scientology

    Snip:

    “When Leah Remini decided to leave the Church of Scientology, the former King of Queens star leaned on Jennifer Lopez for support. “Yeah. It was a tough moment for her,” Lopez said during her appearance on Friday’s Ellen. “It’s all she knew her whole life. When you’re raised a certain way and you’re around people for a long time, whatever that is, it’s going to be hard. We’re good friends.”

    • Jimmy3

      Not sure anyone has linked to this from eonline, it’s the first I’ve seen it, but radar online and some others had a brief post on it the Ellen/Leah/J-Lo thing too.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah I saw it earlier too, but not from Eonline. Thanks for confirming it.
        It goes right to the point. I thought it’s worth sharing.

  • DodoTheLaser

    More coverage on Goldbergs from Allvoices:

    “Church of Scientology forces Florida woman to choose between church and family”
    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16749455-church-of-scientology-forced-florida-woman-to-choose-between-church-and-family

  • Jimmy3

    OT: I would like this song better if this gentleman was more considerate of others.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74

    • DodoTheLaser

      He is being an asshole, indeed. I really like this song though. Thanks for reminding me of it, Jimmy3.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Notice at 2:35 a similarly “don’t-give-a-fuck” lady in blue gets a free pass. lol

      • Jimmy3

        I’ve wondered about this. It looks like she is about to be run over, but instead she gives him the up-and-down eyeball and goes off on her way.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Yeah, must be members of the same club. :)

          • Jimmy3

            Such an odd club to belong to. I’m okay with with walking down the street like a cool dood singin a cool song, but I would never bump into a lady without apologizing. And at least a few of the guys in the video could kick my ass. I’ll just stick to singing my cool dood songs at home.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Well yeah, I think the whole walk thing in this video is a visual metaphor of sorts also.
              I actually felt and walked like that before, minus singing and being rude.
              Perhaps you did too? This combo of music, lyrics and the video is powerful and poetic.

            • Jimmy3

              I didn’t think of it that way until you mentioned it, because I’ve never gotten past what a jerk he is in the video. But when you put it like that, yes, I have walked down the street with a song in my head and with my best attempt at shutting out my surroundings.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Glad you can relate.

              It’s pretty safe to state that all of us were jerks to others at least once in our walk down the busy street of life and that’s the edgy facet of this analogy. Now I’m getting all profound. :)

              I think these lines sum it up best:

              “‘Cause it’s a bittersweet symphony, this life”

              “I need to hear some sounds that recognize the pain in me”

              “And I’m a million different people
              From one day to the next
              I can’t change my mold…”

              In another words, it’s a message, not to be taken literally.
              I like its good anger, as in “wake the fuck up!”

    • Frodis73

      Jimmy3-I love this song…haven’t heard it in forever and I can’t watch ’cause my stupid computer died.Brings back good memories. I love all the commentary below too guys, lol.

      • Jimmy3

        What happens when you click on the video? You can see the title I’m guessing, so what error message do you get?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Frodis73 posted ~ 6 hours ago:

          “my motherboard died so I’m using a backup one that is really old &
          slow. It also locks up a lot and just makes net surfing an annoying
          process all around.”

          • Jimmy3

            I’m guessing Frodis means they’re using a backup PC or a mobile device, because a “backup” motherboard doesn’t make any sense. So I’m just asking because there may be a simple driver download that will allow her to play YouTube videos.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Sounds like Frodis is referring to really old computer as her back up.
              Either way, she knows the song :)

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, I have 2 laptops and it’s just really old, not a lot of mem, etc. If I click on a vid it plays but stops & starts, etc. I’m having netflix withdrawal symptoms.

            • DodoTheLaser

              I feel your pain.

  • AnonRedX
  • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

    Seems like a very strong reaction. On the other hand, the ex-member victims of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology speak of pervasive disrespect for the law and of low level criminal fraud (lying to banks). So, given that the member victims are in the mindset that the interests of the Co$ goes before everything, I can understand the reticence to have a major development run by them. The court record is also replete with the sad tales of big investment schemes run by clams which fell flat on its face.

    The bottom line is that this was a scheme with huge sums of money at stake and with multiple phases. Lots of opportunity for things to go wrong(1). For this sort of thing it would probably be best to only grant permission to either someone you know in advance or someone with an impeccable record of successful projects and significant achievements in transparancy. Making the decision right before the election was at best bad timing and at worst a deft attempt at slipping it under the radar.

    As for the beliefs of the people involved, if they had been independent $cientologists that would have been one thing. As they are members in good standing of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology it is a very different thing. They are aware that civil society considers the basic operation of the organisation which they promote (“OT Ambassador”) a criminal fraud and they chose to remain. That speaks volumes for the soundness of their judgement at this moment in time.

    Yay to Kristy Wachter and to our Jonny :)

    (1) Ideal mOrgs, anyone?

    • Sunny Sands

      So many business people in Co$ regard their companies as conduits to funnel money into Co$, ahead of fair business practices. For example, Dr. Piedra in Miami, the dentist who used his customers’ advance payments to donate over $2 million to scientology, then never completed their work.

  • DodoTheLaser

    I imagine Shelly Miscavige would rather be with Leah and JLo:

    “Remini said of her special friendship with Jennifer Lopez:

    “Jennifer made special rings for all the women in her life that say,
    ‘I Love Me,’ and I’ve really come to realize you have to love yourself
    before you can expect someone else to. You have to learn to believe
    you deserve love. And I’m getting there. I’m starting to believe it.”

    Looks like in addition to everything else she does, Jennifer Lopez is a pretty stellar friend.”
    http://straightoutthegate.com/2014/03/22/jennifer-lopez-helped-leah-remini-leave-scientology/

  • DodoTheLaser

    For the lurkers who are still in:

    “Overcome FEAR, start looking. FEAR is just an illusion created to keep you trapped. Scientology is The Truman Show. You live in a bubble. Hey. There’s a big friendly world out here with endless opportunities.”
    http://anetteiren.com/im-happy-scientology-bitch-slapped-me/

    • Ardent

      Indeed. I even once read a book called ‘The Plague’ by a guy called Camus. I didn’t get a sniffle. I promise you, reading about the secretive and tubercular OT 3 won’t even affect your sinuses. It ought to affect your sense of the difference between reality and stone-cold lunacy on the part of the guy who made the crap up.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Hubbard said absolutes are unattainable.
    Yet he coined “The Bridge To Total Freedom” thing.
    It appears Ron failed to clear some words.

  • DodoTheLaser

    “I’ve been told, dreaming is free..”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YDPNl7PeUU

  • Sejanus

    Dear $cientology………………..

    • Scream Nevermore

      And then shove it. Just to be sure.

  • Ardent

    Cheerful news from Jonny in France. In answer to his final question, I say unequivocally YES, any association with the cult should make large property purchases very difficult, if not impossible. They play a shell game – never trust them.

  • Verve

    When you lay down with filthy, lying dogs, you’re gonna get fleas. (My apologies to all doggies worldwide for the analogy.) So yes, “just” being a $cibot is enough to cancel a deal. Anyone remember Clearwater?

  • FOTF2012

    As to “should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?” the answer is “yes,” not because of religious beliefs but because of chronic fraud and deceit.

    Scientology has shown a penchant for choosing sites whose names resonate with their creed. “Clearwater” is the supreme example. It has not gone without notice across the world that Scientology bought their mecca under false pretenses — shell corporations, fake church names, etc.

    Now they want to buy into Sainte-Feyre. Notice the Sainte — they have a nostalgic yearning for the word “saint” every since the glory days of Saint Hill.

    BTW, “feyre” means market or fair — nicely compatible with the commercial Church of Scientology. And an “SCI” is a kind of French tax category. It stands for Société Civile Immobilière — a type of property management company. The “civile” in the name indicates it is non-commercial. That would not be inconsistent of Scientology’s practices of avoiding taxes: set it up now as an SCI, develop the place, when rooted in, sell it to another group that is religion-based, and declare it the new continental European Saint Hill. The Chateau itself would of course become an Ideal Org — a European mecca.

    Maybe that’s not what the plan was, but that’s not the point. Scientology has and continues to operate that way, so people are justified to fear that it may be doing so again. Whatever skepticism comes about when groups of Scientologists band together to buy land is totally the product of Scientology’s own dishonest, secretive, manipulative behavior.

    Anyone who wants to read about in French can go to: http://www.lamontagne.fr/limousin/actualite/2014/03/16/des-investisseurs-scientologues-pour-le-projet-residentiel-du-chateau-de-sainte-feyre_1917914.html

    • FOTF2012

      Above I had conjectured that the SCI could be set up to facilitate an eventual transfer of the land to the Church of Scientology. I came across this information which supports that possibility. Note the third item in the list:

      “Many French and international buyers choose to buy a French property through an SCI because of the advantages it offers over the other two forms of ownership. The main reasons are:
      — To allow purchase of the property by multiple persons;
      — To provide stability and continuity in the ownership and management of family property;
      — To facilitate the transfer and ownership of property;
      — To avoid the constraints of French inheritance laws;
      — To create tax advantages;
      — To protect the family home from business creditors.”
      (Source: http://www.french-property.com/guides/france/sci-societe-civile-immobiliere/)

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The French courts have ruled that the church is an organization engaged in fraud. Accordingly, why should the town authorities believe anything the church tells it and why should they do business with crooks? The problem is the land was being purchased by an individual, not the church, and, therefore, the town’s reaction is a little unsettling. I fear it will be used to garner sympathy for the cult. Scientologists are NOT Jews, they have no fear of being carted off to concentration camps and gas chambers, yet church members like Kirstie Alley insist they are being persecuted like the Jews were in Nazi Germany. During the Nazi era, there were many towns in France that, out of fear of Nazi retribution, refused to do business with Jews, allowed the confiscation of their property, and did not stop the internment of their Jewish citizens. I fear that the town’s refusal to sell land to Scientologists, although probably justified because the land ultimately would have been used for some church purpose, is going to backfire and end up helping the crooks. Accordingly, I hope that Johnny Jacobson and other French investigative journalists dig deeper and expose the true purpose behind the land purchase.

  • valshifter

    since they cannot aquire more people they will try to aquire as much MEST as they can. hopping to enslave the people in it, or are they just trying to create a French version of “The hole”?

  • loulai

    “But the issue raises an interesting question: should the simple fact that the major players in a property deal are Scientologists be enough to scupper it?”
    Yes.

  • antibity

    Scientology takes it Tone 41 further than not allowed simply to be a HUMAN. If you allow it, Scientology convinces you to dispense with humanity altogether. To Hubbard, you’re ‘homo novis’, a different
    species entirely.

    Humans, homo sapiens, are reduced by Hubbard to ‘homo saps’. Organized Scientology intends to deprive you of your sense of human dignity. Human dignity not only accords a basic level of equality, but also accords the respect due human difference. Credit due for this distinction to Anthony Clark Arend of Georgetown University, speaking on the connection between human dignity and terrorism.

    Scientology demonizes crowdsourcing. After all, what is the punch line of OTIII? What is the Primary Error?

  • Jean Boon

    After buying the land they buy the castle… We all can easily imagine the publicity video… The newest ideal org in a French castle in the country side…