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REPORT: Man was hired to keep Shelly Miscavige from escaping Scientology base near L.A.

Robert MacLean

Robert MacLean

UPDATE: We’ve had a text message conversation Robert MacLean — see below.

A bombshell this morning from former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder: He claims that a man known nationally as a TSA whistleblower has told others that he was hired to be a security guard to keep Scientology leader David Miscavige’s wife Shelly from escaping a remote mountain compound near Lake Arrowhead, California.

The vanishing of Shelly Miscavige in 2005 (with a brief reappearance in 2007) has been one of Scientology’s most disturbing mysteries in recent years, and something we’ve been paying considerable attention to.

Our sources tell us that Shelly has been living at Scientology’s CST headquarters compound near Lake Arrowhead, and now Rinder, at his blog, is claiming that there’s evidence she was not only there, but that armed security was hired to make sure she didn’t leave.

We’ve reported previously that eyewitnesses tell us Shelly vanished from Scientology’s International Base near Hemet, California after arguing with her husband in August 2005. A man who used to work at the base, John Brousseau, told us he subsequently saw mail for Shelly being forwarded to the CST compound near Lake Arrowhead, a secluded compound that many longtime members of the church weren’t even aware of.

 

A map of Southern California showing the locations of Scientology's administrative headquarters in downtown Los Angeles, the International Headquarters 90 miles east near the town of Hemet (and home to "The Hole"), and CST's secretive headquarters near Lake Arrowhead to the north, where Shelly Miscavige is believed to be living and working.

A map of Southern California showing the locations of Scientology’s administrative headquarters in downtown Los Angeles, the International Headquarters 90 miles east near the town of Hemet (and home to “The Hole”), and CST’s secretive headquarters near Lake Arrowhead to the north, where Shelly Miscavige is believed to be living and working.

 
The Church of Spiritual Technology (CST) is Scientology’s most secretive entity, and was created in the church’s organizational restructuring of the early 1980s. CST owns and operates numerous remote compounds in California, New Mexico, and Wyoming, most of which feature bomb-proof underground vaults for the storing of archival copies of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s writings and lectures to ensure that his work survives a nuclear attack. Of CST’s various compounds, the one near Lake Arrowhead is considered its headquarters, and it contains a vault as well as numerous buildings for the preparation of Hubbard archives. Scientologists call the compound by several different names, including ‘Rimforest,’ ‘Twin Peaks,’ ‘Mile High,’ and ‘Rim of the World’ — but almost none of the church’s members (past or present) has ever actually been there. The first CST employee to give a press interview was Dylan Gill, who talked to us at the Voice about his experience in 2012.

The new Vanity Fair Hollywood issue just hitting newsstands contains an excellent piece by Ned Zeman which describe’s Shelly’s background, including her childhood as one of L. Ron Hubbard’s “messengers” on the ship Apollo as Hubbard ran Scientology from the Mediterranean and Atlantic in the early 1970s. Michele ‘Shelly’ Barnett eventually married David Miscavige, the man who would take over the church once Hubbard died in 1986.

 

After her time at sea on the Apollo, Shelly very briefly attended classes at Clearwater High School -- long enough to appear in its yearbook in 1977.

After her time at sea on the Apollo, Shelly very briefly attended classes at Clearwater High School — long enough to appear in its yearbook in 1977.

 
But Shelly was not only the wife of Scientology’s leader, she was a top church executive in her own right, and in 2004 she was entrusted with helping find a new girlfriend for actor Tom Cruise, holding ‘auditions’ for actresses that were really tryouts to be Cruise’s next love interest.

By 2005, however, Shelly’s relationship with her husband was crumbling, several eyewitnesses tell us. Then, after a major blowup that August, she was suddenly gone.

In November 2006, actress Leah Remini first noticed that Shelly was missing when she didn’t appear at the wedding of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes in Italy, where David Miscavige was Cruise’s best man. Remini complained about Shelly’s absence, and was reportedly told by then-spokesman Tommy Davis that she didn’t “have the fucking rank to ask about Shelly.”

In the summer of 2007, two years after she first vanished, Shelly Miscavige was allowed to attend the funeral of her father, but in the presence of a church ‘handler.’ She then went back into seclusion, and hasn’t been seen by church members or the public since.

After Leah Remini ditched Scientology last summer, she filed a missing-person report about Shelly with the LAPD on Monday, August 5. We broke the news about that report on the morning of Thursday, August 8, and by that afternoon the LAPD was telling reporters that it had checked on Shelly and had closed the case. An LAPD lieutenant told us his detectives had personally talked with Shelly, but when we asked if that conversation occurred in the presence of church officials, he told us that information was “confidential.”

Our sources assure us that ever since she first vanished in 2005, Shelly has been at the CST headquarters compound near Lake Arrowhead, where she lives with perhaps one or two dozen other people who rarely leave the highly guarded location.

Now, Mike Rinder is adding more credence to that notion with what he says is an account by a man named Robert MacLean, who reportedly said he was hired as part of a security detail whose job it was to make sure Shelly didn’t escape from the CST compound. Rinder describes MacLean’s account to a mutual friend…

The guy proceeded to tell my friend that he had been employed by a private security company working the detail of “guarding Shelly Miscavige at the Arrowhead property.”

He claimed the company also provided armed security for executives of the church when traveling and at the Hemet property. He and the company he worked for were licensed to carry firearms. At the Arrowhead property, they carried semi-auto assault rifles and semi-auto side arms.

He stated the detail was stationed across the road from the Church property at Rim of the World in a rented cabin/house. He said, “I guarded Shelly — that Miscavige guy’s wife. For about six months I worked up there. She was there. Never had any contact with her, but we were told she was there and that she was the reason we were there.”

“Everyone hated that detail. 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week and you just sat there. Nothing would ever happen. A few vehicles would come and go throughout the week; the guard shack would alert us via radio. But it was really a boring assignment. But the pay was good; ya took the assignment because of the hours and the extra overtime.”

MacLean has already made the news. In 2003, he was an air marshal who blew the whistle on what he said were staffing cuts that were putting passenger safety at risk. Appearing in silhouette on MSNBC, MacLean said that the suits air marshals had to wear could give them away. The TSA fired him in 2006 after an investigation into his leaks.

Last year, however, after a seven-year legal battle, a court ruled that MacLean was protected under the federal Whistleblower Protection Act, and ordered that he be reinstated with back pay.

Rinder says MacLean told his friend that he was ready to go public with his story of working for Scientology, and Rinder tried to convince MacLean to tell his story to Vanity Fair. But after Zeman checked out MacLean’s credentials, Rinder says, MacLean stopped returning his calls. We’re going to be reaching out to MacLean to see if he’ll confirm Rinder’s account.

As Rinder points out, MacLean’s story puts into question the notion that Shelly Miscavige is living and working at the CST headquarters entirely of her own will.

It puts the lie to the church assertion that Shelly is somehow “doing what she wants” working for the church. The church hired armed PI’s and rented the house across the street from the entrance to CST Mile High property to watch for Shelly trying to escape (and perhaps someone arriving to try and break her out). The property is VERY well guarded already. The main gate has a security booth. There are cameras everywhere and razor wire fences. But still, Miscavige was so concerned about her somehow escaping his clutches that all his internal security precautions were backed up with hired armed security personnel to watch the watchers.

If he’s right, Rinder’s bombshell throws the LAPD’s visit with Shelly into serious question. But will MacLean back him up? Even Rinder admits that Scientology can be very persuasive about keeping its current and former employees quiet.

“Apparently the church persuaded him it was not in his best interests to talk to the media and tell what he knew about Shelly Miscavige being ‘disappeared’,” Rinder writes. “You can imagine why.”

 
UPDATE: We have had a text conversation with Robert MacLean.

He initially sent us this statement:

MacLean: I never witnessed nor do I have any knowledge of wrongdoing or criminal activity associated with current or former members or officials of the Church of Scientology. There is one item that is true: most ALL security work is extremely boring.

We then sent him this reply:

The Bunker: Thank you, Bob. Are you denying that you worked a security detail for Scientology, even if there was no criminality involved?

MacLean: Is the story about my employment history, or a person being held against her will?

We messaged him that we were hoping to talk on the telephone. Instead, he sent us another message as we continued a text conversation:

MacLean: I have absolutely no knowledge of Shelly Miscavige or her whereabouts. If she was at all in or near my presence, I was certainly oblivious to that fact.

The Bunker: Can you tell me the length of time that you provided security at or near the CST facility, and during which year?

MacLean: If this is about my employment, that is now up to the U.S. Supreme Court — where the government has dragged me into after I prevailed 10-0 in appeals court.

The Bunker: I’m asking about a private security detail, not your TSA dispute. And congratulations on that victory, by the way.

MacLean: That victory was ended when the U.S. Solicitor General appealed to the Supreme Court. If I can pick a fight with govt, I’d have no problem going after CoS.

The Bunker: Let me try it this way. Did you work for Talon executive services in a job for the Church of Scientology?

MacLean: Again, why is this about me and not a victim of crime that I have no knowledge about?

The Bunker: I don’t know that Shelly is a victim of crime. But it is interesting to me to know that Scientology hired an outside firm for security at its CST compound.

MacLean: To put things in perspective: corporations, and foreign and U.S. governments spend billions on private security. The “Swiss Guard” is a private security firm.

The Bunker: We already know that Scientology spends millions on security. That’s not the question. But outside security for the CST compound is unusual. So again, I’m wondering how long you worked there and which year it was.

We’re still waiting for a reply to that last message.

 
2nd UPDATE: MacLean also put an additional statement in the comments section at Rinder’s blog. We’re printing what he posted in its entirety…

Dear Mr. Mike Rinder,

My comment already addressed all of the pertinent facts. With all due respect sir, you are barking up the wrong tree in the wrong orchard. I really hope that you are not attempting to use my very public 10-year case with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) — which has appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court — as a means to further an agenda regarding a your dispute. Your grievance should brought before the civil court system or prosecutors.

To others:

Questioning my courage is laughable considering my very publicized war exposing high-level government wrongdoing and violation of law. Do not anoint me as your pawn in this.

I wish all of you the best. This is my final comment — my plate is full…

Respectfully,
Robert J. MacLean

 
It was pretty obvious to us that Rinder’s initial story had really nothing to do with MacLean’s experience at the TSA, and we’re not sure why he keeps bringing it up.

He is saying a lot without addressing the point — that he was heard talking about providing security for Scientology outside its CST compound, where he reportedly said he was told that Shelly Miscavige was being held.

We’ll continue to reach out to MacLean for further clarification.

 
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A stunning view of Scientology’s Ideal Orgs — from the inside

We’re posting part one of what promises to be a dynamite new series of videos from Karen de la Carriere — interviews with Chris Shelton about his experience working at a Scientology “Ideal Org.”

 

 
And finally, a bizarre little story out of Israel, claiming that a couple of Scientologist ‘lecturers’ were kicked out of a business seminar after their association with Scientology was revealed. No names on the two culprits — we’d be interested to learn their identities.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 7, 2014 at 09:40

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  • George Layton

    From what I read over at Mike’s blog and copied to here is that Robert was informed that Shelly was the client being guarded. He never had contact with her but that was the assignment there. All the rest is conjecture. If you were put in his place with no other knowledge of the going’s on at CST and came here to read about you being in the middle of this mess and considered to be withholding information that you have no idea about, how would you respond calls and e-mails? Just saying one scenario may be he worked for a company that provided armed guards to clients. That Scientology was one of those clients. That company policy might be to provide semi-automatic rifles to personal while working in bear country.

    • Mooser

      “That company policy might be to provide semi-automatic rifles to personal while working in bear country.”

      You bet! Scientology security trumps the game laws, any day!

    • That’s why I think MacLean can not be indicted and is probably safe. He was just a dimwitted thug with a gun, nothing more.

      • Captain Howdy

        The guy was a U.S Air Marshall. Do you have any idea the training they go through? They’re top of the line.

        • Mooser

          He was not working for the TSA when he did this. He was on his own or working for a private company.
          Was he ever shown a picture of Shelley Miscavige? Was he told to “stop her if you see her trying to leave” Was he told, “it is your job to assist Scientology in confining this woman”?

        • Problem is he failed at Air Marshall and ended up working for the TSA, a group of violent stupids where the dumbest Republican only gets hired.

      • I wouldn’t call him dimwitted. I would just say that he has more pressing matters at hand and so made a very poorly thought-out statement, when, as tikk pointed out, he could have said nothing at all. I’m sure his legal counsel smacked him upside the head for that one.

        • I think you are right, after reading people’s comments and reading his reply, I think he’s innocent of any wrong doing and seems like he had no idea who he was guarding.

  • richelieu jr

    You really can’t blame the guy- Like Marty Rathbun he isn’t going to admit anything until the statute of limitations runs out on his crimes(or he gets immunity)…

    Burned once, you know? Twice shy.

    Guarding people being held against their will is a crime. Ask Marty who was Shocked, SHOCKED I SAY! to find out about Lisa McPherson being given the LRH treatment…

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Could be MacLean is currently playing it coyly to give himself some time to get lawyered up.

      Or setting up a deal with 48hours or 20-20.

    • There are no limiting statutes for kidnapping or murder.

    • Mooser

      “Like Marty Rathbun he isn’t going to admit anything”

      I’m not entirely sure about this, but I thought Rathbun had said he has shared everything he had with law-enforcement.

      • richelieu jr

        Well, if Marty said it, it must be true.

        Actually he’s told a lot- Always after the statute of limitations runs out. He’s not a stupid guy.

  • It went something like this:

    ring ring

    Hello?

    Yes, this is the Los Angeles Police Department, may we speak with Shelley Miscavige, please?

    Yes, hold on, please.

    (whispers) It’s the pigs! They want to talk with Shelley!

    (whispers) Stall them!

    Yes, hold on, we’re getting her now.

    (man’s voice in falsetto) This is Shelley, how may I help you, Officer?

    Yes, are you okay? You’re alive and not being held against your will?

    No.

    Okay, thank you, sorry to take up your time.

    click

  • From Twitter: David is buying Shelley a ball gag for Valentine’s Day.

    • Anonymous

      I’m surprised he doesn’t just give her Tom’s old one.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Too many deep teeth marks.

        • Anonymous

          Well, Tom has been rather downstat these last few years, so its not like Davey is gonna shell out for any lube.

    • Cat Daddy
      • Captain Howdy

        Bettie Page was on The Apollo?

        • Cat Daddy

          1 internet to you

          Or Hubbard had some skin mags on the boat

      • IBBy

        my brain just vomited at the idea of Ronnie doing kinky shit 🙁

        • Cat Daddy

          He made the father of two messenger girls roll a peanut over the wooden splintery deck of the Appollo, he hadn’t much original toughst so he might gotten the Idea from an Image like this.

          He humaliated a father in front of his wife and children who were sobbing

          • Sarah James

            LRH was not human, he was just a slim ball.

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Is that a typo?
              Cos he sure wasn’t slim.

            • Bernie Headley

              Slime ball!

            • SLIM

              No he isn’t….But I am!

  • TXCowgirl

    I’ve been away for a few hours, so please forgive if this idea has already been proposed:

    Perhaps Rathbun is Rinder’s unnamed friend (not the friend of a friend), but Marty couldn’t comment because of the trial in New Braunfels, so Mike is his proxy? A far-fetched idea, but it came to mind. MUCH crazier things have happened.

    • Elen

      Here’s another crazy thought… MacLean said he was told who he was guarding, but he never saw her… what if she had already shed her earthly body?? It could just be a way to say she’s still around, when maybe she really isn’t….

  • Cat Daddy
  • Espiando

    DM has a list of psychopathies as long as John Holmes’ moneymaker. We all knew that one of them would take him down eventually. The thing is, I had money on megalomania and paranoia, with a bit of side action on rampant greed. What kind of odds would I have got three years ago for misogyny?

    What are the major events since 2011 that’s put Scientology in the shithole in the eyes of the general public?

    1) Debbie Cook finally reached the end of her rope due to the lesbian incident when she was in the Hole, and got an entire day on the witness stand to tell us what she knew before they shoved enough money at her and Wayne in an attempt to mitigate the damage.
    2) He underestimated the determination of Laura DeCrescenzo to get justice for the treatment she was put through in the Sea Org.
    3) He thought Katie Holmes was too much of an air-headed bimbo to leave his BFF not-so-boy-anymore toy.
    4) He and his proxies abused Leah Remini for asking a simple question.
    5) He thought that Mosey was simply Marty’s puppet, and that abusing her was a valid way to damage the Big SP.
    6) And now this.

    He just had to demonstrate that he was just as much of a He-Man Woman-Hater as Hubbard, didn’t he? And it’s clear that he hasn’t learned. That attitude is going to bring him down.

    There’s only one woman left that he can use and abuse. How much more can she take? Is Lou an infinite well of patience? Or will she someday read something about Eleanor of Aquitaine? When her patience with her man ran out, Lou, what did she do? Turned her own sons against their father and had them go to war with him. Or how about Catherine the Great, Lou? She found a man who treated her with respect as a woman and who appreciated her for what she was. He helped her pull off a bloodless coup, then one of his brothers smothered her idiot husband. There has to be one Grigory Orlov at Int Base, Lou, carefully hiding in the shadows, biding his time. Isabella of France, perhaps? Her husband gave her four children, but he liked guys a lot more, and he was incompetent as a leader. Is Tom Cruise’s next role Hugh le Despenser? You can make it happen, Lou.

    Why the hell be the Woman Behind The Man when the Man treats you like crap?

    • This!!!

    • Cat Daddy

      Alsoo he tought decapitating management was a good idea.

      • Mooser

        Wouldn’t even pension them off, give them a ceremony and one of the trophy chocthkees (a trophy) they’re so fond of at Scientology. Nope, he’s got to abuse them, and make enemies out of them. It really didn’t have to happen that way.

      • Qbird

        And also Hubbard’s 1st & 2nd wives – non-existent – written out of COS history.
        No Ack.

    • PraiseBeToXenu

      Y’know… I know people have posted that the Oil-Based Messiah has had numerous mistresses on the side. But I’ve also noticed that he’s SLIGHTLY less tightly wound when around TC. Just sayin’, is all…

    • Mooser

      Wait a minute, maybe Thomas Otway was thinking of this when he wrote

      “What mighty ills have not been done by woman!
      Who was ’t betrayed the Capitol?—A woman!
      Who lost Mark Antony the world?—A woman!
      Who was the cause of a long ten years’ war,
      And laid at last old Troy in ashes?—Woman!
      Destructive, damnable, deceitful woman!”

  • RockSlammer

    Anybody know where to find the French doco featured in Karen/Chris’s vid?

  • Tony Ortega

    ADDED: Our text message conversation with Robert MacLean. Refresh the story

  • Sydjazz

    That ias music video oh the pain

  • Guest

    Any considerate person would laugh at this story. How come law enforcement is not part of this “Robert MacLean bombshell” cough fairy tale cough? This is imaginative gossip being sold as “journalism”. There is absolutely no instance in our society where police would not swoop in and be immediately involved if there was a report that non government “armed security” were “hired to” keep a person imprisoned. So let’s get this straight…..law enforcement are going to look into Justin Bieber egging a neighbour’s house but THIS, this is not of interest?

    RATFLMFAO@ “bombshell”.

    • Espiando

      More like “permanent dick”.

      Haven’t you been briefed on this place? If not, better run for the hills, now.

      • Cat Daddy

        Temporary dick has become a guest

        • Espiando

          Gee, did you forget for an entire hour to downvote every post of mine? How distracting this thread must be.

          • Cat Daddy

            want a hug

            • Espiando

              What exactly is your point with this activity? It’s not going to drive me away, it’s not going to influence anyone’s thoughts about me here. All it does is show everyone you’re a butthurt little bitch.

            • Cat Daddy

              look at your upvotes

            • Espiando

              That doesn’t rule you out, you know.

            • Cat Daddy

              you cute

            • I did a Hearsay Google search for “butthurt little bitch” images. 🙂 Spongebob came up #1. 🙂

            • I did a Hearsay Google search for “butthurt little bitch” images. 🙂 Spongebob came up #1. 🙂

    • Cat Daddy
    • Someone got tired of notification e-mails and decided to post as “Guest”. Scientology has their own security guards to keep people in. You just have so few these days you have to bump it up with outside help.

      • Espiando

        No, he posted under the handle of “temporarydick”, then went into Inexperienced With Diksuq Delete Fucking Everything Mode. In other words, an OSA rookie.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          It’s that awesome, awesome Hubbard Communication Tech in full flower.

        • RMycroft

          So tempting to write code to pull down all the Disqus comments into a node tree, then watch for (and highlight) nodes that later disappear.

          *sigh* Too busy working on automated backlog processing for FrontCite to play with sock-zombies. (I finally date-indexed almost all the Village Voice articles. Now for the keyword tags!)

          • MaxSpaceman

            Nice!!

          • Yeah, like we did with Lazaruson a.r.s

          • RMycroft

            It’s looking very Wall of Entheta, but I have some serious memory bugs to fix.

        • “temporarydick?” Is that another dildo from David?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      RATFLMFAO??

      Rats Are Trippingly Fleeing Like Mothers From Awful OSA?

      • Love it

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        greetings, dx3! the fact that guest did not know it is actually “roflmao” just goes to show that he/she is co$/osa. they have no real internet experience and would make such an uncommon error. seriously, for those exposed to the net, who would make such an error? flunk, guest. start again. cheers!

      • Like rats from a sinking asbestos-drenched cruise ship, yeah.

    • L. C. Spencer

      This is too late to help with your stats this week, y’know.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      fail, guest. try again.

    • Mooser

      “There is absolutely no instance in our society where police would not
      swoop in and be immediately involved if there was a report that non
      government “armed security” were “hired to” keep a person imprisoned”

      And, if you would take the time to notice, nobody ever made such a report when these events happened. So what’s your point, chump?

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      to the rpf with you, guest! you have been watching the news and such as evidenced by your bieber knowledge. this is all entheta and you are now out-ethics, hard-core. perhaps the rpf’s rpf is more suited to your crimes, you degraded being.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      to the rpf with you, guest! you have been watching the news and such as evidenced by your bieber knowledge. this is all entheta and you are now out-ethics, hard-core. perhaps the rpf’s rpf is more suited to your crimes, you degraded being.

      ps – keep deleting my post and i will keep posting it. you lose co$.

  • He definitely sounds like the kind of person that Scientology would want working for them. He knows how to speak in circles!

    • OrangySky

      Was thinking the same thing, Derek. Answer a question with a question. Good training.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    From the latest text messages between you, Tony, and Robert MacLean I think he is trying to distance himself from a job that might have been represented to him falsely and might have, unknown to him, some element of a crime being committed.

    He wants to know his facts and he wants to remain clear of any connection to any crime.

    • Victoria Pandora

      and he probably feels harrassed at this point.
      how many times have we discussed at the bunker how others don’t understand our “fascination” with this cult?
      it was probably just a job to him.
      he said the pay was good, and you get no bonuses for asking questions.
      i know, i know… he was just doing his job.
      i am on his side in this.
      and i admire him for taking on the TSA.
      i think he is a stand up guy.
      this came out of left field for him, no doubt.

      • 1subgenius

        I have nothing against the TSA other than they’re scab labor in bad suits and incompetent.
        They aren’t inherently evil. Any more than you or I.
        So “taking them on” doesn’t impress me.

  • Tony, you have the patience of a saint!

  • Poor little mercenary. Why can’t all the big bad reporters just leave him alone to cash his big fatty checks in peace?

  • Racnad

    Sounds like someone is worried about being in trouble for violating a Non Disclosure Agreement.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      greetings, racnad! nda’s do not cover criminal behavior. it is against public policy. perhaps mr. maclean needs this explained. cheers!

      • Racnad

        But unless Shelly says herself that she was kept against her will or MacLean has documentation that preventing Shelly from escaping was part of his job, then there’s no legal evidence a crime occurred!

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, I think you are making a good distinction here.
          He doesn’t necessarily “know” that what he was doing was in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy. I don’t assume that.
          He certainly had enough evidence to have a suspicion that there was something highly unusual going on.
          I certainly would have wanted to know more, and it is reasonable to think anyone would.
          Did he know, or should he have known or tried to find out?
          Either is pretty bad.

        • deathtoallpoliticians

          racnad, what i was implying is now that mr. maclean has at least some understanding of the shelly miscavige situation, that he might see, or make the connection himself, that she is being held there against her will. thus, he should be made aware that the nda would no longer be enforceable against him if he chose to speak out. that was all i was saying. cheers!

  • 1subgenius

    McLean’s texts support my suspicion that he is a nut case. In general.

    • Cat Daddy

      No just an hard ass

      • 1subgenius

        Go get your own opinion.
        Mine stands.

        • Opinions are like assholes, you have one and I don’t.

          • 1subgenius

            I generously called mine an “opinion”. I said the evidence supported a suspicion.
            Despite your view I eschew assumptions/opinions/conclusions.
            I’m not sure which you mean, that you don’t have an opinion, or don’t have an asshole.
            But thanks for that.

            • Mooser

              BTW, the opposite of “eschew” if I am not mistaken, is “espouse”. More or less.

            • It was a play on the “Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.” But with a personal twist related to your previous comment, “Get your own opinion. Mine stands.”

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Hmmm.

            If you don’t have an asshole, are you full of shit?

            • Too much cheese!

            • 1subgenius

              Not my downvotes btw.

            • Yeah I know. They’re down votes from people who have no sense of humor. I feel like you have a sense of humor.

            • Mooser

              “Too much cheese!”

              It will have to be eschewed and swallowed.

          • Mooser

            “Opinions are like assholes, you have one and I don’t.”

            Ha! That’s telling him! Well, I think it’s telling him. I’m pretty sure it’s telling him.

    • He’s just being annoyingly cautious. Scientologists are better at it, but he gets silver.

    • Victoria Pandora

      i don’t see that at all.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      greetings, 1sg! in what ways are mr. maclean a nut case? he exposed the tsa over their plans to not have air marshals on overnight flights because of hotel costs (despite there being threats made against international, ie long, flights) and how making air marshals wear a standard uniform would jeopardize their ability to perform their job safely as terrorist hijackers would know what clothing to look for. sounds to me like he is a grounded, solid guy. unfortunately, this time, he has been bought and paid for by the co$. too bad. but mr. maclean is not a nut case. cheers!

      • 1subgenius

        Well, I certainly appreciate your pleasant approach at least. And cheers, right back atcha.
        The evidence supporting Mr. McLean being a “nut case” (in my rather hasty and rashly worded characterization), btw, I haven’t reached that “conclusion”, is:

        The “facts” that you recite are vague. I observe stupid shit every day that endangers lives. I wish I could be rewarded for every time people ignored my valuable advice.
        There is monetary motivation. All whistleblowers aren’t accurate or sane or even good.
        As you point out, he presently, as reported, has made some rather poor choices, in terms of employment. Let’s call that “very poor”.
        Hard to believe that someone with his heightened knowledge of good and evil, that he could be unaware of certain, shall we say, questions, about the legitimacy of the so-called “Church of Scientology”.
        And if he actually was unaware, what does that say about his competence in his declared field of expertise?
        So, we’ve at least established that he (like us all) is a whore. Or like most, stupid.
        He has made some rather less than candid, or heroic, statements about the instant controversy.

        This is just off the top of my head I didn’t say he was a nut case, and I’m not retreating or quibbling, just that I not only consider new facts, but always reserve the right to be completely wrong (when the facts so show.).

        • Did you check out my comments. Speculations in 2000 and 2010 about connections between Scientology and Talon that existed even back then.

          https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/bp-talon-security-and-the-cult.60193/page-2#post-2417371

          http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/talon-sec-cos.htm

          • 1subgenius

            No, should I?

            • You you have a phobia of clicking links? Or reading? Or comprehending what you read? I cant figure out how you can’t find said subject matter in a WWP thread dedicated entirely to said subject.

        • deathtoallpoliticians

          well stated, 1sg. very tough to argue with your logic here. fair enough. cheers!

          • 1subgenius

            Thanks for being reasonable. I don’t know what the truth is. No one does, even the participants.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Is “didn’t” a typo? Cause you did say he was a nut case.

          • 1subgenius

            I really don’t mean to weasel. The evidence supports a suspicion that he is.
            That may certainly seem like weaseling, but I mean that there is evidence of that.
            As, of course, there is evidence to the contrary, and many other theories.
            To communicate is to be misunderstood, and I thank you for asking for clarification.

    • Cat Daddy
  • It really seems to have bothered him that some implied he was scared of COS retribution. Prideful little sucker. I’ll give him that. Not very articulate though.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      I’m not sure that a man who was a whistleblower and ended up fired for his troubles and dragged through the courts can be said to lack cohones.
      It’s understandable that he bridle at the suggestion.

      • Cowboys and their cojones are overrated. Also, being prickly prideful and responding immediately to off the cuff internet criticism doesn’t seem wise. I’ll wait to see how it plays out before I make more fun of him. A definite part of it is that I don’t think very highly of hired guns in general.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Nor I.
          Testosterone is greatly over-rated.

          In his line of business, it’s not viewed in quite the same way.

        • 1subgenius

          Wow, that’s so cool.
          Wait to see. Novel.

      • 1subgenius

        Just about everyone covered by Whistleblower Acts, has reported something that they can use if they are ever fired. And most do.

  • Victoria Pandora

    well, i do believe his plate is full as stated. and rinder did suggest that he “grow a pair”… thems fightin’ words. i wish you had got to him first tony. but what is done, is done.

    • Tony definitely has more charm.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Lesson today: If someone throws you a hot potato, pitch it to Tony before the timer goes off and it turns cold.

      [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5VZY49Yl.jpg[/IMG]

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Those kids don’t seem to grasp the point of hot potato.

      • Victoria Pandora

        yep;)

  • I just found this website that refers to Talon Security as “Scientology Infested”… Check it out you guys

    http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/talon-sec-cos.htm

  • outraged

    “It was pretty obvious to us that Rinder’s initial story had really nothing to do with MacLean’s experience at the TSA, and we’re not sure why he keeps bringing it up.”

    He’s prevaricating.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Before I even read Mr. MacLean’s latest additional comment, I finally nailed down what was not setting right in the back of my mind. I went to read further into Mr. MacLean’s background and saga. After doing so, what is Most Likely is that if Mr. MacLean had seen or heard anything that law enforcement needed to know while guarding the CST area, he would have notified them. And given his ongoing legal battles, he certainly would Not be socially divulging to a complete stranger this work assignment if he Had seen unlawful activity and not reported it. Occam’s razor applied. It seems to me that it wasn’t until he read Mike’s blog that he realized that there was a whole mess of beans in this pot, and simply wanted to make it clear he saw or heard nothing illegal. That simple.

    “MacLean served in the U.S. Air Force from 1988 to 1992. In the Air Force, MacLean was a nuclear weapons maintenance technician for Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs). He was awarded the Basic Training Honor Graduate Ribbon, Outstanding Unit Awards, the National Defense Service Medal, and the Air Force Good Conduct Medal. After his discharge, MacLean entered the U.S. Border Patrol as a border patrol agent and served almost six years in its San Diego Sector as a trainer. MacLean was recruited by the Federal Aviation Administration’s Federal Air Marshal program immediately after the September 11 attacks. MacLean was in the first air marshal class to graduate after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[4]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_MacLean#cite_note-38

    “A circle of government watchdogs is rallying around Ladera Ranch’s Robert MacLean, the federal air marshal whowas axed from his cop-in-the-sky job after letting the world know about an ill-conceived plan to remove federal air marshals from long distance flights in 2003 – just days after a terrifying suicide hijacking alert. (This to save money on hotel bills.)”
    http://www.ocregister.com/taxdollars/strong-477483-maclean-http.html

    • OrangySky

      He may have taken the CO$ job (through Talon or other agency) while trying to support himself through the TSA ordeal. Which is still very much a live issue, unfortunately.

      Again, I am sure he has no written evidence that they were there to keep Shelly Miscavige inside. Perhaps this was the wink-wink-nod-nod reason discussed amongst the guards themselves, but you can bet that the security firm wouldn’t have false imprisonment on their paperwork. Since he can’t definitively say this is why they were there, his back pedaling makes sense. This guy should know more than a little about the law at this point. Who knows, perhaps the paper work says (as MLT has suggested) that they were there to protect Shelly Miscavige against outside threats? That’s a pretty typical assignment for private security.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I just don’t see this kind of guy helping to imprison a woman after reading what he has done almost all of his life. I do see him taking a job guarding a property and the residents from outside trouble. There were other duties of guarding sci executives when travelling. Sounds like a pretty straightforward security gig.

        • OrangySky

          You’re right, Hole. He may have only figured out what he was there for after the fact, after reading some of the current “Where’s Shelly?” publicity. At the time, he may well have understood it was a straightforward protection gig, with perhaps Shelly as one of the people he’d be protecting. Given Miscavige’s paranoiac personality, COB might have thought AGP and AnonOrange were coming to Twin Peaks to “kidnap” Shelly! That may have been communicated to the firm.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Probably why the contract was only for 6 months. Wonder if there has been a rotating shift of guards then at that rental? (I’m laughing now at the thought of security guards looking thru their binoculars and seeing AGP and AO for the first time).

            • OrangySky

              It would certainly have made the gig less boring!

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      greetings, thdne! sorry but your application of occam’s razor is misplaced. occam says that if there are two competing theories that make exactly the same prediction, the simpler one is the better. now, according to the stories, mr. maclean never witnessed illegal behavior. this was confirmed in the first interview that maclean gave to rinder. he simply stated that he was stationed across the street from the cst compound and that he never saw anything. given that, why would he go to the police? your theory there makes no sense given the facts of the story so far. also, you did read what maclean divulged to rinder, right? so, if maclean had never observed illegal activity, his decision to talk to rinder about the simple characteristics of the work assignment and skip the police makes perfect sense. occam’s razor applied. cheers!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You bring up some good points I hadn’t considered, although I was basically referring to the two basic commentors’ theories, good guy, bad guy .

        • deathtoallpoliticians

          greetings, thdne! the one thing i know as i learn more and more is that i truly do not know a darn thing. lol. cheers!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            These are very hot issues and it takes some thought and toil to try to weed out the first emotional impressions and go back to look at the facts. I think we all want to hear something that will disclose more about Shelly’s current well being. The fact that she still hasn’t been seen or been in contact with family and friends is at best a very unhealthy sign of a person’s emotional and mental state. We’re all hungry for the slightest crumbs of verifiable facts.

          • Captain Howdy

            You need to wash your socks, cheers!

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              duly noted, ch! work in progress. cheers!

      • Captain Howdy

        What interview that MacLean gave Rinder? It’s never clear if Rinder actually spoke to MacLean or it was through his mystery friend. Now if the guy from Vanity Fair would back up Rinder’s claim that would be peachy.

    • Mooser

      “just days after a terrifying suicide hijacking alert.”

      Yes, some of those alerts were indeed terrifying, no doubt about it. But eventually people stopped falling for it.

  • Pierrot
    • Kristi Evans

      Done… Thanks for the post.

  • Jeb Burton

    Unfortunately, this is going to be another non story, as far as the general public goes. While all the people here know that Rinders story is absolutely true, no other media outlets are going to pick it up and run it. This guy is nothing but a glorified security guard, who seems to have major issues.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      greetings, jeb. have you read anything at all about maclean’s background? if you did, i question how you can make such statements about maclean. here, let my fingers do the research for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_MacLean. mr. maclean is so much more than, as you say, a “glorified security guard”. do your research and then come back with an intelligent, informed opinion. cheers!

      • Kristi Evans

        Thanks, dtop. I wish MacLean would speak up, however 🙁

      • Jeb Burton

        Your right. I just read where he was a security guard and TSA agent in Tonys story. I didnt know his background. I will remove that from my post.I thank you for pointing it out. But I still stand on my original thought.

      • cs sarabia

        Cheers? Wearing knuckle dusters in a velvet glove?

        Anyway, If he is spending 12 hour shifts doing nothing, he is functionally at that particular assignment, a glorified security guard who isn’t putting his skills and impressive resume to use. He clearly didn’t use to be one. I wonder if his whistle blower status has made him less employable in the sense that companies might be wary of hiring someone who may not guard their secrets.

  • Here’s a thread from WWP about Talon being Scientology-related:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/bp-talon-security-and-the-cult.60193/

    “tl;dr?
    The security firm keeping reporters away from BP Oil cleanup workers might be owned by Scientology. Links above seem to indicate this.”

    I think that this dude up here made a mistake by talking–a bigger one than he realized.

    • OrangySky

      OWNED by Scientology? OWNED? If this has any basis in fact, it opens up an enormous new can of worms.

      • Well I would take that to mean “Owned by a Scientologist”

        • OrangySky

          It seems that at the very least, it is a WISE business. Perhaps Mr. MacClean learned his circular responses through some WISE ‘business’ classes?

          I had recalled that back when I accidentally used my RL identity to check up on Tommy Davis a while back, my LinkedIn Profile was visited by a number of ‘security service’ professionals. I just checked back on Linked In. Sure enough, there was someone from Talon. [EDIT – I can’t prove CAUSALITY to any of those visits. For some reason security professionals have visited my profile before and since. This just seemed awfully coincidental.]

          • Captain Howdy

            Where’s the link showing that Talon is a WISE business?

            • OrangySky

              One of Derek’s links above.

            • Captain Howdy

              I checked it out and it seems like wishful conspiracy thinking to me.

            • OrangySky

              You may be right. It would be monumental (and devastating) if the group were connected.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Domain Name: TALONEXEC.COM
              Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
              Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
              Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/
              Name Server: NS1.MDSIGLOBAL.COM
              Name Server: NS2.MDSIGLOBAL.COM
              Status: clientTransferProhibited
              Updated Date: 08-sep-2009
              Creation Date: 12-sep-1996
              Expiration Date: 11-sep-2014

              On that holysmoke.org page there’s bizarre looking emails from excite.com and they have a xoom.com home page? Yet they’ve had talonexec.com since 1996? Nope.

      • It’s interesting that that speculation dates back to 2000 and now there’s a report of this guy working for Talon and guarding a Scientology compound around that time.

        • RMycroft

          Further back than that. 1997 and earlier. Check the ARS archives for William Thierry Dechanac.

      • Kristi Evans

        Well, I guess we’ll never hear from MacLean again.

      • Captain Howdy

        That would be an enormous can of terrifying considering that Talon personnel is made up of ex-secret service, special forces and F.B.I members.

        I seriously doubt it though.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I think it’s a case of sci business owner using a familiar name to fool people like they so often do. There’s several companies with the name Talon, and one is small and not one of the majors.

          • OrangySky

            We need a full-fledged investigation on this. I noticed the several Talons out there.

          • Captain Howdy

            The links on the WWP are old and misleading

            And it does appear this rumor was started in part by scilons and their P.I’s pretending they worked for Talon, mixed in with a dose of conspiracy kool-aid imbibed by some over eager anons.

        • OrangySky

          Here is the only hard document I could find. At the very least, CO$ has hired Talon to do very dirty surveillance work in the past. http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50k/legal/a6/3370.php

          • Captain Howdy

            It has been speculated that D.M uses outside bodyguards and we know he hires P.I’s, so obviously it’s possible that some of them might work for Talon. That wouldn’t be a surprise.

  • Bea

    Wonder what Talon Execuitve Services has to say?

    They can be contacted at:

    151 Kalmus Drive Suite A-103,
    Costa Mesa, California 92626Telephone: 714.434.7476

    But I suspect client confidentiality would be thrown back at anyone who did.

  • Cymboli

    “It was pretty obvious to us that Rinder’s initial story had really nothing to do with MacLean’s experience at the TSA, and we’re not sure why he keeps bringing it up.” I’m only guessing here but I think he keeps bringing that up because that is what he was instructed to do. I’m not saying MacLean is a Scientologist but he is responding “like” a scientologist. Look at Tommy’s responses and statements during his deposition. Misdirection, deflection and feigning ignorance/victimization is a standard tactic for $cilon lawyers. My best guess is that someone from Wephuckem and Howe got a hold of him and provided him a script.

    • OrangySky

      Talon is a WISE business. MacClean may never have been a Scientologist but may have been forced to take WISE courses as a condition of his employment during that time.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Alexa update for Feb. 6: *refresh for images*

    Tony: US rank #15,862 – down 441 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #44,851 – up 594 from yesterday.

    Difference: 28,989 – 1,035 less than yesterday.

    • Observer

      They’re cracking the whip on their click farmers!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Yup. Traffic from India is up to 13,9% of their total, after being dormant for a while.

        • That wouldn’t be surprising, they’re trying to staunch the bleeding with a washcloth when what is needed is a tourniquet and surgery, stat.

      • They have more people in China clicking their web sites than they have actual paying customers.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Just wanted to show some history from Google Trends relating to search traffic for Scientology. I have shown recent search traffic “spiking” after the SB commercials, but looking at the graph below we can see that the recent “spike” is actually just a “blip on the radar” compared to the spikes that scandals can lead to. This is just the period from Jan. 2010 up to today. The big spike in the middle is around the time Katie split from TC. That was a big increase in search traffic. Just shows that scandals lead to bigger PR than commercials.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Hei Johnny… thanks for keeping the Bunker up to date on this stuff, and for augmenting the “visual displays of quantitative information” (have you read Edward Tufte?) with actual words. Your English really is helt fantastisk. There can be a ton of slang on this site… if there’s ever anything you can’t figure out — just ask.

        (The only actual bunkers I have ever seen were in Kirkenes! And it’s still snowing, by the way.)

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Hi Shirley. Posting this info on The BunkerTM is one of the highlights of my day. We know Miscavige The Midget is watching, and slapping his people around every time his stats go down. Not that we condone slapping of innocent SO workers, it is after all not their fault that DM has taken Scientology down the drain, so to speak.

          I haven’t heard of Edward Tufte before (he does have a very Scandinavian name though). I will have to check out his work sometime. I am always looking for ways to motivate my staff, and adding visuals is a great way to get a point through. Do you have any recommendations as to what I should read by him?

          Norwegians are often quite good when it comes to English. Unlike a lot of other countries we don’t dub English movies and TV-series. Also at a young age I lived in England for a few years 🙂

          Unfortunately the temperature where I live has just risen above freezing point, so much of the snow is melting. The winters aren’t what they used to be…

          By the way: I had vafler at work today 🙂

          • Shirley Eugeste

            “Do you have any recommendations as to what I should read by him?”

            lol… read everything

            http://www.edwardtufte.com/

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Edward Tufte gets a down vote? Gosh, now that really deserves a laugh!

            • Panopea Abrupta

              Thank you for the recommendation.

              Barely dipped my toe into the sculptures part of the site – beautiful.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              Like him, his wife has a talent for finding art in surprising places. Virginia Tufte’s books on language, Grammar as Style (1971) and Artful Sentences: Syntax as Style (2006), are a soothing balm to the raging grammar nerd in my head. I haven’t read her other books, but I keep meaning to.

      • Pierrot

        Thanks for your daily update Tank, It is silently appreciated.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Thank you 🙂

    • Mark

      Oho! The vertiginous plunge in interest-over-time was temporarily halted by the Superbowl ad – pity there isn’t an Alexa “WTF is this weirdo crap about?” graph to go with it, ’cause I’ll bet that’s what the ‘interest’ really represents.

  • Guest

    What a sense of joy and openness Robert MacLean may have, if he has the chance to see what all the knowing experts here, have to say about his quality as a human being, and his suspicious flawed personality, here where all the lovely lilly white good people casually bash all the suspicious flawed bad people.

    • Anandamide

      Oh, you.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      I thought that was within the ignoble Cherch of PseudoScience

    • RMycroft
      • Observer

        *standing ovation for grandma*

        And there you have them, folks–The Most Ethical People on the Planet, with a special shout-out to Ken Moxon, Savior of Washington DC!

      • AintMizBahavin

        HIGH 5 TO THE LADY

    • Cat Daddy
    • Mark

      Godsdammit sir, I’m not lily-white (spelling) – more a sort of florid pink with mottled bits round the edges!

      • Observer

        I’m developing quite the mental picture of you, Mark … o.O

        • Mark

          Well, who doesn’t colour-up a bit when their honour’s impugned?

          • Mooser

            Or become pugnacious And that should be his customary attitude! His at-ti-tude! His aaaaatttt-ttttti-tude!

      • OrangySky

        The MacClean issue (and possibly Talon connection) appears to be getting under someone’s skin at OSA.

    • Guest

      Maybe one day, someone will publish the contents of the Underground Bunker in a complete unedited masterpiece of profound deep knowledge and may I suggest the title “The Complete Factual Important Journalistic Explanation of Everyone And Everything In The World According To The Good Disqus People Who Had Nothing Better To Do Than Be Spot On”.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Maybe one day you might grab that stick wedged firmly up your behind… Hmm?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Or maybe one day he will drive it in deep enough to shut him up forever.

          Idiot!

          • EnthralledObserver

            Heh, heh… or there’s that method. 🙂

          • TXCowgirl

            S/he sounds like a snarky 16 year old:

            “Repetition, insulting others, not being transparent…. is frowned upon here? Oops. Now I know. Thanks.”

            Might have well have said, “I am rubber, you are glue..” yada, yada, yada.

      • Pierrot

        The first down flag I have given (after only 3 days in)

        • Guest

          He/she deserved the down flag, no worries!

      • Mooser

        “someone will publish the contents of the Underground Bunker in a complete unedited”

        Poor guy, must have just fallen off the turnip-spaceship, doesn’t know the customs here.
        Now listen carefully! The stuff in the articles are up on top, with the headline. Below that is the comment thread, where anybody (even you, which just show ya’) where anybody can say just about anything (hopefully staying within the parameters of good taste) they want, or say just about anything they want about something somebody else has said.

        • noseinabk

          *smacks forehead*

          UUhhggg. Will scroll down before posting my stupid, badly written, redundant, comments.
          :-/

          • Mooser

            “UUhhggg. Will scroll down before posting my stupid, badly written, redundant, comments.”

            Why? I never do, and neither should you. Just unlimber the old vouchsafer and retort at will. Besides, the way I read it here, your comment was first.

      • George Layton

        I wonder if Robert even recalls any conversation about Shelly (if there even was one) as he has been busy for 10 years now with the TSA suit. God only knows how many people have bothered him about the TSA suit in all this time or how many tried to use his publicity to further their own agenda. It may be that he doesn’t care much about Shelly (not out of dis-compassion of humans) because his plate really is full. It just happens to be a different plate than what is being served here. How many people here can tell you, right off the top of their head, the number of women that go missing in Juarez Mexico every year and how many of that number are believed to be incorporated into the sex slave trade there? It is not something that is posted here (not because people here don’t care) because this is about scientology. For all I know he may not want to bother with others problems at the moment, he may have a good share of his own.

        • OrangySky

          Makes sense.

      • Guest

        Troll

      • NOLAGirl

        Maybe one day people with dissenting opinions will have the balls to register and post rather than hide behind the “Guest” moniker.

        Perhaps we were overly suspicious, but our motive is concern for a woman’s safety and I’ll never apologize for caring about people being abused.

        • Guest

          “Perhaps we were overly suspicious, but our motive is concern for a woman’s safety and I’ll never apologize for caring about people being abused.”

          No need to apologise or explain yourself to anyone. It will all have been worth it and add up to The Truth in: “The Complete Factual Important Journalistic Explanation of Everyone And Everything In The World According To The Good Disqus People Who Had Nothing Better To Do Than Be Spot On”.

          • NOLAGirl

            Clearly, you’re just repeating yourself and haven’t stated your motive for being here, other than to insult people and distract from the conversation.

            You don’t have the skills to go toe to toe with me “Guest”…so as I’d tell any rude guest…you can see yourself out.

            • TXCowgirl

              Guest’s skills don’t have the RANK to go toe to toe with you NOLA, honey!

            • NOLAGirl

              I could have a little respect for our “guest” if he’d simply said something to the tune of “I don’t think you all are right to judge this guy based on this info.” But he had to jump straight into insults and the usual “Oh you people in the Bunker think you’re the realm of all information” insult so…no, he can’t go round with me. I’ll argue all day with Espiando about something, but I won’t give trolls too much time. ; )

              How’s everything in TX hon?? Is it cold there too??

            • TXCowgirl

              The cold has kept me inside (I’m a weather weenie). Things are slowly getting back on track: last month my mother agreed to move from Houston to Vermont to live with my sister and her family as she can no longer live independently. I’ve spent the past 3 weeks purging and sorting through her five bedroom house which is filled with 80 years of life. Thankfully I’m finally seeing a light at the end of the tunnel…which gives me a bit more time to participate with the Bunker Brigade. Thanks for asking; I know you probably weren’t expecting an actual answer to your kind question. :-))

            • NOLAGirl

              So glad to hear you’re nearing the end of your project. I know what purging a house is like, and I don’t envy what you’re going through. I too, am a weather weenie…I haven’t lived in cold weather since I was young, I’m so spoiled to this weather now I’m shivering if it drops below 40. 🙂 If hibernation for the winter were acceptable for human beings I’d be in a warm cave made of blankets. LOL

            • TXCowgirl

              Agreed! I’m under an electric blanket, turned up to 11, with a down comforter atop and a bottle of wine to warm m’insides.

            • TXCowgirl

              Per the trolls, I don’t even bother to down vote them.

            • Guest

              I don’t think you all are right to judge this guy based on this info.

            • Guest

              Repetition, insulting others, not being transparent…. is frowned upon here? Oops. Now I know. Thanks.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            That title you’re so fond of isn’t clever, offensive or funny. It’s really.. dull. So, go ahead and keep on posting it if you’d like, but it won’t upset anyone.

          • Sandy

            You really need an avatar to distinguish yourself from the other “Guests”

      • Qbird

        When was the last time you had a good loaf J Cigar?

        You’re just too full of it.
        Go back over to Radar & continue to pick on everyone who comments there, you POS.

    • Mooser

      Makes no sense. You posit “if he has the chance to see” and then never tell us what it is he will do, think, or say (you never tell us which) if he has the chance to see this.
      Usual Sci word salad. You can sorta imply something, but that’s the limit of your communications skills. Why are you all like that?

      • noseinabk

        What confuses me is that these people seem to confuse the actual story, as written by Tony, with the comment section.

        Lurkers and Trolls. Educate yourself on how comment sections work. Go to CNN for example. Those comments do not reflect the writers views, just like this site.
        Unlike most comment sections, we have many well informed exes who know how to spot the fire among the smoke or call bullshit when we are way off.
        fyi; We also may display a sense of humor beyond your comprehension.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Trollguest is annoying as hell, but I wouldn’t wish a CNN comment section on him. That’s cruel.

          • noseinabk

            Ha! I know. He does appear to be confused about TO’s story VS the comment section.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              He’s confused in general.

            • Mooser

              But he’s clever enough to suspect that we must have said something we’re ashamed of!

              Yup, a real perceptivating fellow.

    • Guest

      Don’t pay attention to this troll. He’s not worth the effort of a downvote.

      • Mooser

        “Don’t pay attention to this troll. He’s not worth the effort of a downvote.”

        Okay! Instead, I’ll upvote him! and downvote you!

        • Guest

          Meanie

    • AintMizBahavin

      lol thanks my first ever down vote,, you made my week…

    • cs sarabia

      Could you please learn to write in correct grammatical sentence before you post? In the very least your posts should be pain free to read irrespective of the loony content.

      Thank you.

      • Ruby

        🙂

      • Guest

        You read my mind. Scilons are terrible writers.

        • cs sarabia

          It’s jarring to come across posts like this on a blog like this where the owner is a professional writer and the commenters, by and large, are good writers and critical thinkers. It’s a slog to read and then you realize it’s bupkus.

          • Guest

            Sometimes I think my degree in literature would make me immune to LRH. But then again, I know there was a lot of indoctrination making the susceptible even more vulnerable.

    • AintMizBahavin

      oh take a good look at the lady in the black and white on the right…. there is nothing lily white about me except my eyes but thanks for giving me something to lmao and downvote

      • Barbara Angel

        Honestly,(no offence meant at all) in Australia, ‘lily white’ has nothing to do with skin colour judgements, it has to do with those who consider themselves ‘pure and holy’. I don’t know if ‘Guest’ is American or not, but just maybe… it’s really not meant to be a slur. Also with Aus having the highest skin cancer rates in the world, many of us with fair skin lay in the sun for hours trying to achieve “Beautiful” “Brown” skin. So as they say, ‘jealousy is a curse’ and if it was a slur(?) its because they’ve stayed out in the sun for waaaaaay tooooo long & its fried their dumb brains.

    • Mooser

      Okay, I see! We, with our here-come-the-judgemental comments, will crush Robert MacLean’s “joy and openness”!

    • Mooser

      “all the lovely lilly white good people”

      Yessireebob, with with “comm” skills like that, the place will be “clear” in no time.

    • Hey! Hi, Kirstie! Welcome to the ‘Bunker!

    • Barbara Angel

      Yes I AGREE totally. It’s not for us to tell him how to live his life & it pisses me off *Frequently*, how often people are Casually bashed by the self proclaimed ‘Self-Righteous’ ones.

  • cs sarabia

    I think MacLean is concerned about his employability. I mentioned this in another post, but I wonder if his whistle blower status has made potential employers wary that he might not guard company secrets, etc. I suspect his defensiveness and evasion stem from this.

    • sizzle8

      I think you’re right.
      He is weaseling and refusing to answer simple questions, not about him really, but about a questionable group that he worked for.
      You would think that the efforts of Scientology critics to expose abuses would fit like a glove into his mind set.
      I don’t know what else it could be.

      • cs sarabia

        Very good point about how his actions (or lack of, more specifically) now don’t really fit his general mindset. Kind of speaks to self-preservation after going through the wringer with TSA.

  • Pierrot

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    Sorry to say but Las Vegas is back with their concerts, there are fresh posts, let see if we can knock them of.

    Only bother to flag Feb 6 entries + the last one and in the other lot the first and the second to last.

    To All flaggers please continue flagging, do revisit all lists as new ads have appeared during the day.
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    • aquaclara

      Excellent work. And thank you for sharing the results here, so everyone can see the effect of so e flagging. I will keep flagging….

      I flag because I hate that this is how Scientology recruits new victims.

      • NOLAGirl

        I second this Aqua. It saddens me that people who are truly looking for help in some area of their life may be lured in by these misleading ads. I’m very grateful to the people who take the time to hunt the ads down. Every ad flag helps. Thank you all for your hard work.

        • I think new flags are the most important. If I were designing the system, I wouldn’t give as much weight to a flag from the same ISP more than once, so I limit myself to new links for flagging.

          • NOLAGirl

            I only flag ads once. But I’m grateful to the people who do the legwork to put these lists together. Every new person who flags helps.

            • Yeah, b-cause the LV has 83 ads for the Young Music Festival or whatever they call it, flagging them day after day would be a bit of a drag after a while 😉 Glad to see my reasoning led me to the right conclusion.

    • screwsci

      Sacramento flagged!

    • AintMizBahavin

      done

    • Verve

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  • Pierrot

    Sorry I missed the Young Concert of Vegas

    Only bother to flag Feb 6 entries + the last one and in the other lot the first
    & the second to last.

    For the other links in the previous posts.flag as much as you can the top one being the more recents

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    • Verve

      I flagged all of them on both list, except the “Young Concert = Scientology” post.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I think MacLean has spent so many years experiencing attacks stemming from his whistleblowing and lawsuit that when something like this shows up, he keeps trying to figure out how it is connected to HIS war. He doesn’t realize yet that he is a minor supporting part in some other huge drama he might not have even realized was a drama.

    • 1subgenius

      He certainly seemed to try and relate this current thing with his “casus belli” vs. TSA.
      Which tells me something.

  • Bea

    OK – I may be slow off the mark and this is common knowledge – but flipping heck! I’ve just looked up the CEO of Talon Executive Services, Ron T Williams, and I am no longer surprised why people think Scientology has links within government and the FBI. If – as is asserted in some pages on the internet – this security firm is riddled with Scientologists no wonder nothing seems to be investigated fully by law enforcement agencies. http://talonexec.com/ronald-t-williams-c-e-o/

    The guy looks like he’s just walked out of the latest Bourne movie – but he’s for real.

    By the way, this is the firm that also secured Michael Jackson’s properties soon after his death. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RwKmo3VTjTEC&pg=PT410&dq=Williams+Talon+Executive+Michael+Jackson&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fWj1Up_LKMGShgex-4C4Dw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Williams%20Talon%20Executive%20Michael%20Jackson&f=false

    • OrangySky

      Read their website. It’s hard to believe that those dudes would be Sci connected. We need some real evidence here. If they are, it is pretty scary. It implies the ability to do sophisticated investigations that would include hacking and cybersecurity breaches. – things that would be beyond the ham-handed techniques of OSA.

      I hate rumor. Hope some hard data comes of this.

      • Bea

        Well their agents were following Gerry Armstrong – OK – it’s a while ago now but it is legally documented.

        Of course there’s nothing recent to show that TES are still working for Scientology but why not continue to keep a well funded client on your books!?

        http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50k/legal/a6/3370.php

        • OrangySky

          Just saw that Bea. The “Sci-infested” may be only a rumor; CO$ may just be a big money client of theirs.

          • RMycroft

            According to one old post on ARS, they were providing security for Miscavige during one of his depositions. I don’t think he just picked them out of the phone book.

    • OrangySky

      J Swift has written to Ron T Williams in the past: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?highlight=talon&t=28291

      In addition, some on WWP have claimed Williams has Sci completions. However, no documentation has been provided to back up this assertion. There is no evidence that the Scientology completions belong to the same Ron T Williams, as Ron Williams is a common enough name.

      • Bea

        Agreed, not hard evidence for Ron Williams to be a Scientologist himself. However, he appears as an apologist for Scientology in the Panorama documentary – see The Hole Does Not Exist’s post higher up. It’s the same Ron Williams as the CEO of Talon Executive Services! That makes them pretty close bed fellows in my book.

  • Cunning Stunt

    Read this whilst at the office today, and was literally shaking with rage all afternoon.

    I cannot fathom the psychological mindfuck of knowing you’re being guarded by a semi-automatic gun toting posse, especially in light of the fact that your mother died via several rifle shots to the head.

    If Davy truly thinks she is a flight risk, and this is just one of what are probably many other means he’s deployed to control her, I don’t want to even speculate as to Shelly’s current state of mind. It’s been almost 10 years. An entire decade of this. *If* the LAPD truly saw her this summer, face to face, why would she believe that they had the power to help her, to keep her safe? At this point, she probably expects the worst every hour of every day. And even if I give the LAPD the benefit of the doubt, and they did meet with her, I’d not wager any sum that they took her to a safe, neutral place for an interview which would be vital for her at this stage in the game.

    As to Mr. McLean and his text messages, to me that reads as someone not necessarily scared of Co$, but scared he may have unknowingly been party to something much more sinister. He says he never saw her, and of course the implication of what that might mean in light of everything he’s learning now, may be the cause of his caution.

    I’d like to be charitable towards him on this point, because I know I’d probably feel the same way if I were in his shoes. However if that’s not the case, and he’s clammed up (pun intended) simply because he doesn’t want the bother of being harassed by the cult, then maybe he can catch a drink with Wallace “I have to pay for my kids’ college tuition” Jefferson. They can shoot the breeze and compare paychecks.

    tl;dr translation of this coffee fueled rambling: Fuck this church. Gently. With a chainsaw.

  • EnthralledObserver

    I’m gonna take a stab and say that this MacLean fellow took job and later connected the dots and commented to someone what he realised his duties may have been all about. And now he’s realised just what a shit-storm that might dump him in, so he’s backtracking, particularly as he doesn’t believe he has that much knowledge about it anyway; a lot was speculation on his behalf, no matter how correct his speculation may turn out to be.
    MacLean… just go with the flow, buddy… we want your tidbits. We understand if that’s all you’ve got to give, it’s enough.

    • Mooser

      Yup.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yes, and I’d add Tony Ortega can be trusted fully to get it right And to keep his word. Yes, a rare breed. Yes, he’s for real.

    • Captain Howdy

      He seems to me to be a guy who got drug into the crazy world of scientology watching based on speculation and hearsay.

      • Artoo45

        I imagine it would be a bit scary. He doesn’t know what fun we all are . . .

    • 1subgenius

      Purty good there.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Things that make you go hmmmmmm…today’s thread.

  • D.Y.G.

    WTF? Dude answers questions like a Scientologist.

  • Guest

    I hope this MacLean fellow realizes he will be famous, in a good way, if he helps Tony with his book. Multiple talk show appearances, possibility of his own biography, etc…

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      He’d be so damn famous that I wouldn’t be surprised if they named a United States Supreme Court case after him.

      • Guest

        Good point, but it’s still an opportunity

  • Cat Daddy
    • Panopea Abrupta

      Thanx – excellent and lucid interview

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, after a whole lot of thought…..(Yes, sometimes I DO think before I speak)…

    I think this poor dude is just still on the plane part of the learning curve.

    I just think he had no idea there was a rabbit hole one could easily break an ankle in………..

    • cs sarabia

      I think these words are key: “after a seven-year legal battle” After the brouhaha with the TSA, the last thing this guy wants is to be involved in another one in any way shape or form. And he doesn’t want to affect future employability.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        He’s not done.

        Department of Homeland Security appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court

        On January 27, 2014, the United States Solicitor General, Donald Verrilli Jr., filed a petition for writ of Certiorari with the Supreme Court of the United States[36] on behalf of the United States Department of Homeland Security.[37] MacLean has the option to file a brief in opposition to a petition for a writ of certiorari.[38]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_MacLean#cite_note-38

        • cs sarabia

          The man has a complicated life.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        He is still in the middle of it. Like he said on Mike Rinder’s blog, his plate is full.

        • Barbara Angel

          And We Have No Right to put any ‘expectations’ on him or tell him how to run his life.

    • Observer

      Yes, I tend to agree. And he had no idea the reaction he’d get from people who’ve been steeped in the knowledge and/or experience of Scientology’s evil deeds. Even someone as experienced as MacLean may well have never run across anything like Scientology.

      Incredulity of our data and validity. This is our finest asset and gives us more protection
      than any other single thing. If certain parties thought we were real we would have infinitely
      more trouble … without a public incredulity we never would have gotten as far as we have.
      And now it’s too late to be stopped. The protection was accidental but it serves us very well
      indeed. Remember that the next time the ignorant scoff.
      — L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 29 July 1963 “Scientology Review”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      My conclusion too after I reread a lot and I don’t blame him for being shy of reporters at the moment. Funny thing is that lately every time I dive down a rabbit hole, John Sweeny pops up! And I never have a pint or a spot o’tea at the ready.

      Right after John has his infamous chat with Tommy Davis in his “Scientology and Me” documentary, he inserts a short Scientology video with Ron Williams, identified not with Talon security, but vague “international Security Consultant”. Starts at 28:10

      http://i.imgur.com/z5qCOjbl.jpg

      http://youtu.be/hAn_qA2E7rs

    • He has learned enough about Scientology to know he should not speak any more about what he knows.

  • media_lush

    …coming in late today and, boy, if there is ever a word that keeps on getting reinforced it’s the word “toxic”… I mean, everything and everybody that gets touched by this ‘religion’ becomes affected in the worst possible way

    …. anyway, new post up (includes a lulzy story of the scion spys being outed in an Israeli business seminar that I haven’t seen mentioned or linked yet)

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      It was mentioned in yesterday’s today’s Bunker article.

      • media_lush

        … I’m a bit drunk…

        • deathtoallpoliticians

          greetings, ml! what is the drink of the night? i am about to hit the patron anejo myself. cheers!

          • media_lush

            … would have to say that red wine is my main beverage of choice and I have a nice little collection…. I invested in a bean to cup espresso machine a year ago and also have an extensive collection of cognacs. armagnacs and calvados… I try to keep the wine though

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              i used to do legal work for an immigrant who came straight from valencia and was living in quincy, massachusetts. he had no money but he would “pay” me for my work by giving me homemade white and red wine made from his mini-vineyard in his backyard. he also used to make the best prosciutto right in his basement. miss that wine and prosciutto. anywho, you just reminded me. and thank you for that, ml. have another round on me. cheers!

            • Barbara Angel

              Lets hope there was no ‘Toe Jam’ in there? Home made wine always conjures up the picture of people bare foot and stomping on the grapes. lol

            • TXCowgirl

              Vin rouge is my libation of choice, too, but tonight I’m indulging in a heavy white Bordeaux. À votre santé!!

        • Ha! Peppermint schnapps? 🙂

          • Guest

            Can’t get drunk on that!

            • Barbara Angel

              Once met a guy who gets drunk on mouth wash. Yucko

    • Just Dee

      Tony has the link in today’s post. It’s the last paragraph

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    greetings, fellow bunkerites! maclean makes me want to puke. he has so clearly been bought and paid for by the co$. it’s not like you are asking him to confirm shelly’s imprisonment. all you asked was for him to confirm his employment history and yet he danced around that question like a school girl. yeah, he just may have the balls to take on the federal government but let’s not forget who also beat the federal government down, hard core, ie scientology. maclean probably believes he has a much easier fight with the feds than with the co$. what a flippin’ pussy. i can’t believe this man once served in the military and swore to uphold the constitution. i guess that depends on how much he was being paid to look the other way. money over morality. screw you, maclean. cheers!

    • D.Y.G.

      I’m pretty sure calling him a “pussy” isn’t going to compel him to speak freely.

      I don’t know if you consciously intend to demean women but maybe you could find another slur to use?

      • EnthralledObserver

        A ‘pussy’ is originally a cat. Just saying…

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        greetings, dyg. your comment makes me cringe. you are going to go all p.c. on me for saying “pussy”? sorry, dyg. p.c. is another means by which to stifle independent thought and i don’t believe in it. btw, check out the definition of pussy sometime. yes, there is the vulgar definition but it also means “a weak or cowardly man or boy” (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pussy). cheers!

    • I don’t agree. He was paid as a hired gun, he did his job, then he left and moved on, it was a short gig for him, it sounds like he was unaware of what Scientology was and eventually started to research it, now he has discovered he needs to shut up in case he angers David and has a real problem.

  • D.Y.G.

    It’s pretty obvious this guy learned the hard way to be distrustful and cautious. I’d bet he’s restrained legally from talking openly. I’d also bet he thinks people are trying to assign blame to him for this, and that’s why he feels compelled to answer at all.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      greetings, dyg! if maclean is subject to a nda, then let him say it. you do not violate a nda just by admitting that it is in existence. instead, he prevaricates, shifts topics and answers like a co$ robot. cheers!

  • Chee Chalker

    I am not questioning his courage, but I am questioning his intelligence. He is either a complete moron or attempting to change the topic in a really moronic way

    • Observer

      Morons don’t make Air Marshal.

      • BigMcLargeHuge

        May I introduce you to the Peter Principle?

      • D.Y.G.

        I don’t know what’s happening with TSA now, but at one point in the mid- to late 2000’s there was a real problem with retaining air marshals. They were leaving at a rate greater than 6.5% per year. They couldn’t fill the open positions with qualified people. Former employees alleged that psychological testing was all but eliminated prior to employment, and that TSA dropped the tactical pistol course (highly advanced) and went instead with the practical pistol course, which is what is required of regular law enforcement. They downgraded their own training in order to hire. TSA was hiring what seemed to be otherwise unqualified airport screeners as air marshals, along with administrative people who had no law enforcement background whatsoever. It caused so much concern that these former employees banded together to alert the media and Congress. I don’t want to say these folks were “morons”, or that this one particular person is a moron. But TSA had big problems.

        • Observer

          He joined in 2001 (and was in the first air marshal class to graduate after 9/11), did the whistleblowing in 2003, and was fired in 2006 according to Wikipedia, so he wasn’t part of the underqualified later crop.

      • Chee Chalker

        Really? Have you seen Bridesmaids? That was a joke, btw. At the very least, the guy sounds like a complete narcissist with the constant references to his case. And being a whistleblower does not necessarily mean he is some genius. From what I can gather, he noticed that there were gaps in security. I’ve seen lots of “investigative reports” that have done the same thing.

        • EnthralledObserver

          To break it down even further, he noticed they were cutting staff… and he didn’t want to be cut, so went public about it in a effort to ensure he still had employment. Didn’t work out too well for him though.
          He did the right thing, but it’s debatable what motive he had for doing it.

        • Observer

          I knew it was a joke, but since I haven’t seen Bridesmaids it flew over my head with a whoosh.

          It was a bit more than gaps in security. He found out the TSA were going to pull air marshals off longer flights altogether to save money on hotel bills.

          He sounds to me like someone who’s had the crap scared out of him by the fact that his his private conversation has gone public, and his verbal dance with Tony smells like shock and fear rather than stupidity. His resume doesn’t look like that of a moron either. I chalked his references to his case up as desperate attempts at deflection.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Morons don’t win whistle blowing suits against TSA, either. The guy is careful. I imagine he has learned the importance of that, the hard way.

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        greetings, fmfh! do you think that maclean is representing himself in the tsa suit? that said, maclean can be a complete moron but, as long as he has competent counsel, he will win the whistleblower suit. cheers!

      • Chee Chalker

        Careful? He was the one who blabbed to Rinder’s friend in the first place. If he truly was an intelligent professional he never would have opened his mouth in the first place. In the second place, he never would have spoken to Rinder and in the third place, he never would have spoken to Zeman. That’s 3 separate people Mr Special Secret Security Guy spoke to. The Co$ would be better off with guard dogs. At least they know how to keep their mouths shut.

    • Qbird

      See Zana’s post above Chee.

      • Chee Chalker

        I have no doubt he signed something, but he was the one who blabbed in the first place. It’s not like he was outed. There’s a difference between someone keeping their mouth shut to protect their professional reputation and someone trying to deliberately obfuscate the issue. All he has to say is “no comment” and that would be that. But his double talk and constant references back to his case against the govt make him look like a moron.

        • Qbird

          gotcha fine there Chee Chalker. understood.

  • Observer

    Off this topic, but if anyone still thinks Hubbard didn’t care about the money …

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbandcw/

    • Qbird

      There’s the real Hubbub a-talkin’ – money money money.
      THAT is what is he valued – it’s as clear as a bell.
      good dox Obs. tks.

    • aegerprimo

      Thanx for the link Obs! I had not read those telexes to the FSO before. I can almost read YS YS YS and CICS and YSCOHB between the lines of those. And yes, all about make money and make more money or else. DM is just a copy-cat of “source” himself.

  • Dylan

    it is funny that they say they rented the cabins across the street. the buildings across the street from the main base of CST are owned by CST. When I was there the homes across the street were staff bearthing. I’m sure after a few more people blowing and shelly making it up there all cst staff were made to live inside the compound for security reasons.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks, Dylan. I was wondering about that. This explains it. How many staff were there when they did live at the buildings across the street? Also, aren’t those buildings on a steep level below the main housing with a thick grouping of trees? I’m surprised anyone could see much of anything from there?

      • Dylan

        when looking at the buildings from the street, the one furthest east or to the left is where I lived with my 2d and one other couple lived there. the one on the right, closest to the main entrance to CST was where a few of the single staff lived. so maybe 8 staff lived across the street.

        https://maps.google.com/maps?q=25451+Squirrel+Inn+Road,+Twin+Peaks,+CA&layer=c&sll=34.228377,-117.247769&cbp=13,104.51,,0,9.24&cbll=34.22846,-117.247601&hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=25451+Squirrel+Inn+Rd,+Crestline,+California+92325&ll=34.228423,-117.247711&spn=0.002355,0.00284&t=h&z=19&vpsrc=0&panoid=dnJ44ndk7glM0FAcJFG_EQ

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          tks

      • aegerprimo

        Does not look like you can see much through those trees from the Google Maps link Dylan provided. IIRC the videos AGP made when protesting there, they planted even more trees along the fence with the “keep the bears out” razor-wire on top.

        Here is one of the videos…

        http://youtu.be/SIpo4Kudrpc

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Now, THIS…is interesting.

    • Deeana

      So the CST made them pay rent to stay in the cabins across the street. What else is new?

    • Nothing free with Scientology crooks. 🙂 You even have to buy your own toilet paper.

      • Way to reduce all the abuse and heinous crimes committed by Scientology down to a poop joke.

  • Qconsilience

    Who even says “CoS” other than Bunkerites and others with connections to the church?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Someone that is sending a text message.

      • Qconsilience

        Maybe. I’m not sure I would have hit on that very common possible abbreviation, though, if I wasn’t very used to reading & writing about the church.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          He must have known the client was Scientology, and unlike the people he was “guarding” at that compound, he got to go home when his shift was over. Who knows, perhaps he did read up on Scientology in his free time.

    • Guest

      There’s also ESMB, and a few other forums

  • brendon

    Re: MacLean. I’m not sure there is much of a story here. His comments with you and on Mike’s blog strike me as being consistent with a) not being well versed on the myriad issues we here all know that surround the COS these days, and b) someone who likely signed non-disclosure agreements (ya think!?) concerning his security work. I don’t think there is much more he can add to the conversation. On the other hand, the Chris Shelton video is great.

    • cs sarabia

      Oh yeah. Didn’t think about NDAs; that would be enough to keep him from saying much. And perhaps regretting that he’s said too much already.

      • Zana

        Yes. That makes sense… the fact that he said something to someone in passing and now it’s all over the internet. Even if he doesn’t have an NDA, that’s bad for his Executive Protection reputation. Those guys stay in the background and scan the crowd. They don’t want to have the reputation of talking about their jobs.

    • brendon

      And where does MacLean say, as you and Mike say, that MacLean’s job was to keep her from leaving CST? He is quoted, second hand, as saying he was guarding her though he never had any contact with her. (I can easily read that in the sense of protecting her.) Makes sense since he was across the street. I suspect those at these small bases are pretty hardcore and not inclined to try to escape (if problems arose they would be ordered to Int for their RPF I’m guessing). Besides, if the scenario you are imagining is that a private firm would be complicit in retrieving an escapee and returning them back into the arms of their captors…I have a hard time imagining that precisely because the guy being asked to help is not part of the COS.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      greetings, brendon! as i stated before, if maclean is subject to a nda, then let him say it instead of answering in circles and other questions like a scilon. admitting to the existence of a nda is not a violation of said nda. cheers!

      • brendon

        You make the mistake of thinking he gives a hoot about this topic or a rat’s ass about what people here think about him. He didn’t sign up for the Scn-critic biz. But for the sake of argument let’s say he says: “I of course, for any of the security work I did, always signed an NDA…” or some such, what on Earth does that gain us? Rather than “answering in circles and other questions like a scilon” I read his answers as someone who takes his job seriously and professionally, even if he is not always clear what the questioners were trying to say. He probably wouldn’t tell us even if he didn’t sign an NDA. (He may, however, be concerned that it is being reported he once told someone he had performed that duty; I have no idea.)

        • deathtoallpoliticians

          brendon, if he simply stated that he was subject to a nda from the co$ and could not talk, this would be a dead story with nowhere to go. instead, he answered like a co$ robot which, ultimately and naturally, led to more questions. cheers!

          • brendon

            “Do not anoint me as your pawn in this.” – Robert MacLean (purportedly)

            Thank you, Mr. MacLean. No further questions from me.

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              brendon, what would work better in shutting down ortega’s and rinder’s questions: “do not anoint me as your pawn in this” or “i can not talk about this subject as i am under the jurisdiction of a lawful and enforceable nda”? cheers!

            • Barbara Angel

              Well Said Mr Brendon, I thank you.

        • Zana

          He’s Executive Protection. One of my lovers is executive protection. They don’t talk. They don’t explain to anyone. Why should they? Mr. MacLean was dragged into something that is obviously volatile… he doesn’t know the terrain. He’s smart. Takes his job seriously. There is no reason for him to reveal anything to any of us and thereby jeopardize his career or reputation. He doesn’t have a dog in this fight. And he IS tough. Those guys ARE tough. They have to be. He’s looking for the “set up” here (they are always looking for the “set up”… once the trap starts to close, then it’s already too late.) He doesn’t know what this whirlwind is about and is not going to get knocked around or set up and trapped by anything. His actions make a lot of sense to me. He doesn’t owe us or Shelly anything. He might get curious later and come forth to set some things right… however, strangers calling him irresponsible or trying to intimidate him into admitting to anything about his personal business dealings to strangers on the internet… NDA or not… I wouldn’t even do that… and I’m a sweetie-pie, definitely not Executive Protection. The ExecProtector that I know would say a polite “fuck you very much” and walk away. However… my ExecP would most likely look the situation over very carefully and, his Superman complex would come out and he would strategically do what he could to help free Shelly. But he wouldn’t tell anyone nuthin’.

          • Barbara Angel

            Well Said Zana and a good lesson for us all….. To just shut TFU! and mind our own business and leave him to decide his own fate and not make **judgements** on someone we ***don’t actually know***.

      • Barbara Angel

        How about we all stop judging him and leave him be?

    • SS

      He doesn’t really need to add anything to the conversation or to know anything about the church. Tony and Mike are just asking for confirmation that he did indeed work for the COS guarding Shelly. The fact that he doesn’t seem to know much about Scientology actually adds credence to his story, if you ask me.

  • FromPolandWithLove

    Mr Ortega great article! …Thank You:)
    hmm I see “smoke and mirrors” growing around MacLean. But maybe someday all this shit will hit the fan and we are going to see truth.

  • Science Doc

    Full time security teams at Lake Arrowhead and Hemet. Security people protecting COS Execs on Travel. Maybe some cybersecurity and litigation support. This could easily add to $5 Million a year, maybe more. If they are involved internationally or aggressively collecting information on a number of former members and critics maybe much more.

    The New Braunfels court case shows every sign of costing $1 to 3 Million to litigate before any judgement is paid. Some of the other cases must be running up major billing as well.

    And now the relentless emphasis on fundraising maybe comes a little better into focus. If COB is paying $10 or $20 Million a year for his safety and security to a security firm and numerous law firms then of course he needs something new to sell the whales. COS exists at this point to protect COB, and COB is slipping into Howard Hughes recluse mode.

    • Gerard Plourde

      Good point. These are the hidden costs that we don’t always factor in when trying to determine the cult’s financial situation.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Mostly wee Davey externalizes the costs and internalizes the profits.

        Lets the whales pay his legal costs, let the locals pay all his idle morgues.

        This is peanuts if you are sitting on a war-chest of a $billion or two.

        • Gerard Plourde

          But do the whales’ contributions really cover all of the costs that the cult is experiencing at this time?

          • DeElizabethan

            If not DM will just take some out of the Billions they have. No problem.

    • aegerprimo

      Why do Co$ execs and COB even feel they need armed security to protect them? Such paranoia – do they really think they are a target for assassination?

      • They have legitimate worries about Shelley being kidnapped for ransom, David has a lot of money squirreled away. Plus there are family members who would like to get their offspring out of the armed compounds, if they could, including sending in armed PIs to retrieve them.

        • Kidnapped Shelly for ransom? WTF LOL

          • Sejanus

            DM would consider it a blessing and keep his money….lol

            • Barbara Angel

              Hahahahahhaha I shouldnt be laughing but it reminded me of the Danny DeVito & Bette Middler movie, “Ruthless People”. Fantasticly *Funny* funny movie concerning a kidnapped wife and a scum-bag husband. And better yet it had a wonderful funny ending. Back to a more serious note: I hope with all ‘my heart’ Shelly has a ***SAFE*** & Happy ending to her marriage to this Monster Mustravage.

      • grundoon

        Miscavige wants bodyguards out of paranoia.

        Miscavige wants his high ranking execs to travel with bodyguards to stop them from blowing and track them in case they do blow. Like the KGB detail that used to accompany Russian ballet companies when they toured outside the USSR.

  • deathtoallpoliticians

    this is a re-post of oracle’s post on mike rinder’s website. i thought the comments made were entirely applicable here:

    “Questioning my courage is laughable considering my very publicized war exposing high-level government wrongdoing and violation of law.”

    Bobby, You don’t have the balls you claim you have. You don’t have a problem pointing the finger at others. Yahoo for you.

    But when it comes time for you to own up to something you perceive might be taken as wrong doing, you slide right under a rock.

    It doesn’t take a lot of courage to point out other’s mistakes. I don’t know why you think that takes such bravery. Just turn up the volume louder and louder, that is what you have done.

    But when it is time to cough up some of your OWN secrets, and only “possible” misdeeds, like aiding in false imprisonment, you get sudden amnesia and slippery tongue.

    Worse, you put forth an effort to discredit Mike Rinder. That is injustice you are dabbling in.

    Deny deny deny. Sounds familiar. For whatever reason, you are back peddling. And it isn’t because you are Captain Courageous.

    Just keeping it real.

    (post from oracle on mike rinder’s website)

    • DeElizabethan

      To have it in the right perspective, this is what it says on the comment prior to the quotes she used and what she followed with:

      In response to Chris Mann:

      (His quote) I think that was posted by a Church lawyer or OSA

      • Actually MacLean’s own lawyer should have told him not to say anything about anything. 🙂 MacLean probably has lawyers, silence might have been better for him. Certainly David Miscavige would feel better if nobody hired by Scientology as armed guards ever talked about it.

    • George Layton

      This Robert has been in a law suit for 10 years. How many times has he been, what might be called, fair gamed or better yet trolled in that time by the opposing side? He might be reacting to all of this as people here react to a troll. Ignore them. How does he know that Tony or Mike aren’t people out to mess with him, demanding answers to something that he has no interest in, and in at least Mike’s case considering it verification of the answers demanded?

      Mike Rinder says

      February 7, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      Dear Mr. MacLean,

      I don’t think you have any idea of the orchard, or even the trees, that are the subject of this blog. I don’t think you really know the first thing about the Church of Scientology or more particularly about the sociopath that runs it.

      Your failure to address any of the specific questions, but rather deflection off onto other subjects, is enough confirmation for me that what I reported was 100% accurate.

      You didn’t address a single relevant fact. To wit:

      I reported you had told someone you worked on a security detail in a house across the road from the CST property at Mile High. That this was a 24/7 operation. That you and the others were armed. That your assignment concerned Shelly Miscavige.

      You have not refuted a single one of these facts.

      That is of course your prerogative, but the very fact of you attempting to create the impression you are refuting the claims without doing so smacks of the same sort of statements the church of Scientology makes when pressed for answers about their activities.

      You have taken the time to write on this blog twice now. You could quite easily have flat out denied you were ever hired to do this job. You could easily have said “I have no idea who Shelly Miscavige is and have no idea what you are talking about.” You could easily have said I” was never in a house anywhere in the the Arrowhead/Rim of The World area.” But you didn’t. And in some ways I appreciate this as it has protected you from any repercussions while effectively confirming what I said.

      Probably smart of you not to outright deny it in any event, as you have no idea what other evidence may have escaped the net. Or even if there was someone else who had the same assignment as you did and is now talking.

      I wish you well in your suit against the government. I believe whistleblowers should be afforded the full protection of society. Without them, dictators, despots or simply evil people can get away with figurative or literal murder.

      Believe me, if there is anything I can do to assist you in making it safe for yourself or others to tell the truth about dirty deeds going on behind closed doors, please ask.

      Mike

      (this in response to the latest posted here copied from Mikes)
      now I will likely get jumped for saying demanded answers here. call it asked to answer certain questions if you like that better, but who are these two guys to Robert who out of the blue start questioning his past? Try not to think scientology when you take a crack at guessing what this guy’s thoughts may be to the questions he was asked today.

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        greetings, george layton. you are unfortunately wrong. you are aware of how mike rinder came into this story, right? maclean was the one who voluntarily came forward to give information on shelly to rinder’s friend. also, maclean had agreed to speak to zeman at vanity fair after being in communication with rinder. further, rinder’s and ortega’s questions only came about after maclean admitted his role to rinder’s friend. also, maclean seemed to be very responsive at first but then went silent. what do you attribute this 180 degree shift in attitude? cheers!

        • EnthralledObserver

          He’s been pointed to his ‘gag clause’ in his contract…?

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            exactly what i was thinking, eo. cheers!

          • MacLean knows that signing contracts which attempt to keep people from talking about criminal activities are not legally binding. He says he didn’t see any crimes being committed, but was he aware that someone was being kept from leaving? No contractual gag order can stop him from testifying about what he knows.

            • EnthralledObserver

              It might stop him from giving an interview about it, and take it through proper legal channels, however. I didn’t get the impression that’s what he’s doing… but I’d like to think that if he does have any knowledge of any of this that rather than talk to Tony this is what he’ll do.

        • George Layton

          I’m only speculating here. Do you ever wonder if maybe you might really have it wrong in your knowledge?

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            mr. layton, i am not perfect and am wrong all of the time. however, here, i just regurgitated the facts back to you as they have been cited to me. it is entirely possible that i am wrong. i am very fallible. but the facts seem to lend credence to my argument. cheers!

            • George Layton

              Ok I would like you to clarify for me one fact I’m having a bit of trouble with. Who was the friend that told Mike the story?

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              mr. rinder has not id’d his friend yet. so, let me guess, that means there is nothing whatsoever to what mr. rinder is saying? once again, there are exceptions to the hearsay rule. also, what would rinder have to do to reestablish his credibility with you? i simply can’t believe that you would automatically write off rinder just because he used to be a member of the co$. did it ever occur to you that he is trying to atone for what he did in osa? remember, it takes time after leaving the cult to decompress and speak out. rathbun did not speak out for 5 years after leaving. give rinder some time and credit. his knowledge and testimony are worth his weight in gold. i hope you have never made a mistake. as my grandma used to say, “those that live in glass houses should not be casting stones.” cheers!

            • George Layton

              I didn’t write all the comments today. Just mine. What I have been saying in them is, I don’t believe Robert Maclean, if he was at the CST base, was there to keep Shelly in. I believe that if he was there he was one of her security guards. If you read the forth hand information it says “He was guarding Shelly… he never had contact with Shelly.” The rest sounds like a witch hunt to me. I also believe that before any of this was posted about Robert he should have been contacted by either Tony or Mike.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              All this talk of high horses and glass houses reminds me of a quote I once read:

              “Robert MacLean — if you read this, think long and hard about your MORAL obligation to do what is right.”

            • Captain Howdy

              Socks to the left of me, Clowns to the right of me
              Here I am, stuck with the befuddled like you

            • Captain Howdy

              There have been no facts, only hearsay. Maybe word clear facts or something. Bip-bip and cheerio.

            • Wrong again, CH. There are plenty of facts, including testable facts. MacLean has identified himself as someone who has information which he can be ordered under oath to divulge and his employer can be forced to turn over his employment records now that the fact of his employment can be determined.

              If it turns out that Shelley is being held against her will, Maclean gets himself dragged up in front of a Judge and David Miscavige will find MacLean a liability.

            • Candygram

              He did? I thought all McLean did was several hulas around the question, constant allusion to a lawsuit completely unrelated to $ci, and a nose thumb to all of us as he whirled out the door saying “see ya. Wouldn’t want to be ya.”

            • deathtoallpoliticians

              where did you go to law school, ch? in case you did not know, there are many exceptions to the hearsay rule. just because it is hearsay does not mean there is no probative value. also, did it ever occur to you that mr. rinder and mr. ortega were trying desperately to get the backup sources and docs for the story but maclean then backed out? how is that rinder’s and ortega’s fault? and, do you really believe that ortega and rinder should not have published this story simply because they do not have supporting docs from maclean? you have an unreal burden of proof, ch. cheers!

            • . . .

        • Captain Howdy

          Your entire arugment is based entirely around everything Rinder’s said or more specifically, everything Rinder’s friend said, as being true. Gullible much?

          Where’s the dox? Where’s the guy from vanity fair to back up this story?

          • Observer

            Big hello from LRH’s Bulgravia!

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            please explain to me, ch, exactly how mr. rinder lost all of his credibility for all times simply because he used to be a member of the co$? get off your high horse, my friend. people can, and do, change. cheers!

        • Barbara Angel

          Common sense and a sense of self preservation would indicate that to ‘back’ peddle now might be the safer way to go. Who are we to judge another wanting to save himself from the Co$ avalanche of Nastiness heading his way??? Has everyone taken ‘Nasty’ Pills today or Wot?
          (yes I can spell ‘what’, in case the Nasties decide to attack)

      • That’s true, MacLean seems to think that going up against the fascist State is the be-all height of putting himself in danger and putting himself on the line. He is unaware of Scientology’s history or, it seems likely, what it means to disturb more traditional organized crime syndicates.

        Thing is, I expect MacLean researched Scientology and sees already why he needs to not open his yip or speculate. Marty knows things, look at what David did to him. MacLean may be a thug but he’s not an idiot.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      “Just keeping it real.”

      When you still believe in LRH’s bullshit, exactly how real can you keep it?

      • Depends on how many Body Thetans you’re still infested with.

        • Barbara Angel

          Hahahahahahaha VM, that is a joke right?

    • Captain Howdy

      That’s priceless considering the source.

      Hey Oracle how about asking mike when he’s going to own up to his crimes? ya know, the ones we know about for sure unlike the ones you’re accusing someone of based solely on the word of the former head of the OSA? As well as still being a kool aid drinking lunatic like yourself.

      And when are you going to stop turning up the thought stopper volume to drown out the truth about scientology?

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        how does being an ex-scientology member destroy your credibility forever? tell me, ch, is there any way that oracle, rinder and rathbun may redeem themselves in your eyes or are they always going to be scum? as an existentialist myself, i give credit to oracle, rinder and rathbun for leaving the co$ and trying to make right on many, many years of bad behavior. anyone can change, even scientologists. cheers!

        • Captain Howdy

          Here’s an idea. How about Rinder and Rathbun agree to meet with a group of former scientologists and agree to answer any and all questions? Let’s say 50 people, picked from a lottery. And of course it will be video taped.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Oooh… I’ll warm up my voyeurism bone…

          • It would be better if Rinder and Rathbun would meet with FBI officers and be granted blanket immunity from prosecution, explain their roles in a number of “suicides” and explain Lisa McPherson as well as bank accounts that were used in the Wollersheim fiasco, et al.

            These two should not be talking about serious crimes to the general public, they need to talk to Federal officers.

            • DeElizabethan

              Since you’re apparently new to many facts, it would be good to google them. It’s rough to not know these things, I know, and someone can possible give you some links for specifics. I googled my interests, listened, read and looked at blogs for two years to my own satisfaction and truth, not just what someone gives me in a comment. But then I was committed to find truth. Tony’s blog has threads from years with the Village Voice and Bunker under his article. You could prolly find everything there or just google.

            • Captain Howdy

              Pssst, Dee. Volunteer Ministers admitted up above to being DamOT. He’s no noob.

            • DeElizabethan

              LOL, thanks Captain.

            • Barbara Angel

              Well Said DeE, ditto. Sad tho’ even as a never in, the stuff I found was just Shocking. Almost couldn’t believe what I was reading. Many Thanks to all the ***Super Brave*** escapees for sharing with us. To actually Escape must have been a Terrifying Experience. Those couple of years of research were at times horrendous and I wasn’t ever there! So, again…. Many Thanks to ALL those ***BRAVE***, brave people for coming forward.

            • DeElizabethan

              Have to say that since the 70’s so many people had left never to be heard from again. These days those that leave, some do speak out but for everyone of those that do, there are many more who never do speak and go about their life. I’d have to say since I was a public that has been my experience. Most public are just too embarrassed to admit to being scammed. Those that suffered physical and mental pain in the SO have thankfully spoken out.

          • deathtoallpoliticians

            you have unrealistic expectations, ch. however, i hope you also hold yourself to such high ideals. cheers!

        • People always move the goal post when it comes to exes. I’ve heard from a gang of people on here that my recovery isn’t good enough for them. No one is ever satisfied. Just “smh” and move on.

      • D.Y.G.

        You just happened to bring up a good point, and that elephant walked back in the room.

      • I want Mike Rinder to explain fully what his role in Lisa McPherson was, where the first 5 days of the “baby logs” went, who ordered their destruction, who ordered the witnesses involved to leave the United States. So far Mike has also not explained what he said to Robert Minton who met with Rinder et al. at the Fort Homicide then walked out and started vomiting.

        • DeElizabethan

          Do more research and you’ll get some answers.

      • Barbara Angel

        A lot of people on here seem to have taken their **Nasty Pills** today. How about people here save any vitriol for where it’s most Needed? The point is save it for ‘wee Davey’ please… Not Each Other.

    • SS

      Whatever this guy’s reason for going silent, I really doubt the “you don’t have the balls” and “you slide right under a rock” pep talk from Oracle is gonna do much to get him talking again…… probably making things worse. She’s a nut.

      • deathtoallpoliticians

        greetings, schutzstaffel! people generally give me a ton of crap over my screen name. do you get a lot of complaints, too? cheers!

    • His “fight” against the fascist State did not harbor the possibility of the State retaliating. Quacking about what he knows about Shelley, on the other hand, would open him up to real potential hazards.

      • Um, Homeland Security is taking him to the SCOTUS. What else do you consider retaliation?

  • Ardent

    Just watched Karen’s new video. It was a real teaser and and more proof of the criminality of the cult. I look forward to more in this series. Why won’t the U.S. gov’t prosecute this outfit?

    • The mask of religion in the United States allows cops to not do their jobs. It is hard, expensive work dismantling organized crime yet it is easy to go after non-violent dope smokers, ergo the US law enforcement agencies do what’s easiest. No cop wants to kick in doors and break apart criminal enterprises when there is a risk of death and getting sued involved. Non-violent, non-offensive dopers smoking in their own homes at night hurting nobody is safer to go after.

      • Prosecuting criminal activity is about collecting evidence of a crime without stomping all over the constitution, which is what kicking in doors usually symbolizes. Also narcotics has nothing to do with Scientology.

        Scientology’s injustices require a reach beyond “cops”. Scientology is going to be taken down by regulatory agencies and civil lawsuits before criminal charges are ever filed (if there ever are any). I guarantee you that the cop who arrested you for drug use or gave you a DUI (both of which I happily assume that you have been arrested for) is not going to take down Scientology.

  • Jo

    Scientology FB, there’s something not right with this post? Grammar or uplifting humanity?

    • EnthralledObserver

      The $ci’s have a fascination with the number 75 million… or billion. 75… the ‘go to’ number.

      • Jo

        Eleventy billion.

        • EnthralledObserver

          It evidently isn’t the only number… lol

      • aegerprimo

        72 would be a WAY more interesting number (i.e. it is 1/5 of 360).

    • Shirley Eugeste

      What kind of pus-moralled sleaze-ball impersonates an uplifting humanitarian, one (or, more specifically, you) might ask? Well, at least we know Hubbard didn’t break any state or federal laws in the process of pulling off his little charade.

      • Jo

        Or more specifically you?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Of course he broke laws, silly goose (but you are probably joking). That’s why he created the Sea Org and got a ship to go port to port, and hid out as a drug-popping recluse for the last few years so he wouldn’t get brought in for tax evasions or Op Snow White.

        • Shirley Eugeste

          “Bette” is my middle name! Yes, of course I’m joking… and yanking our friend Jo’s chain (in the wake of her provocative comments from yesterday). Normally I benefit from the calming effect of petting my cats, but there’s too much static in the air today so we (they and I) are all a little tense. 😉

          • Jo

            Not my comments, I reposted a comment from ROL. Hey we all make mistakes 🙂

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Shirley – Thank you for pointing out you were joking, yes we are a bit tense aren’t we?! Lots going on today on the Bunker.

            • Shirley Eugeste

              actually not joking about the static — literal, not figurative. The cats snap crackle and pop when I pet them. And what do you know, they don’t seem to really go for that in a huge way!

            • Shirley Eugeste

              actually not joking about the static — literal, not figurative. The cats snap crackle and pop when I pet them. And what do you know, they don’t seem to really go for that in a huge way!

      • Have you seen these assholes on Twitter? They list actual human rights groups on their web pages and they insert their own fraudulent fake fronts in to the middle of their lists, trying to gain credibility.

        Also on Twitter they talk about Martin Luther King and how much of a civil rights and human rights advocate he was, then they point people to Scientology’s fake fronts. Absolutely filthy.

    • Qbird

      75 million words of bogus crapola – sure nuff. You know, I just finished Bent Corydon’s book and my take away is this: that rat bastard LRH ran away from everything his whole life – a monumental coward he was! Yeah, uplifts humanity all right… my fine ass. As if!!!

      • aegerprimo

        Yes, LRH ran away from everything. DM is doing the same. Corydon’s “Messiah or Madman”, or R. Miller’s “Barefaced Messiah” or J. Atack’s “Piece of Blue Sky” or L. Wright’s “Going Clear” – all talk about LRH paranoia, about him creating the “opponents” of his “tech”, and enemies around every corner. After I read these books I could see and understand how this paranoia and cowardice is built into Scientology. (BTW I am an ex-Scientologist.)

    • “Uplifting humanity” by stealing their money. Wotta guy.

    • Sejanus

      75 million words….does that include his made up ones too?
      Such a creepy looking pedo.

      • Jo

        Add the letters ness and extra !!!!!

    • valshifter

      seen his picture every where in the hallways, always made me feel funny, I felt suspicious, and wondered to myself is this guy really as great as they make it to be? he didn’t look like a decent person to me, never with his snake eyes, and took me a long time to find my Ideas validated till I started to read reluctantly on the Internet what was said about him, I could not belive it.

  • PowerWogofOz

    There should be a Worldwide “Free Shelly” protest and pickets

    • EnthralledObserver

      She is working for them for free already…
      Oh…
      😉

      • PowerWogofOz

        Lol…

  • media_lush

    I was going to do some shooping but am incapable right now…. but I did come across this pic of Judge Dib looking a bit more Texan

    • media_lush

      He’s also on Facebook and twitter but doesn’t seem to have used either for quite awhile….

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Eagle scout?
        Wow, will he ever be thrilled to discover that El Wretch was the youngest ever Eagle Scout.

        Or not.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Most eagle scouts will list the achievement, but not brag about it unless talking to other formers Boy scouts. That is the behavior I have seen with my father, brother and Mr E. They should be damn proud of the achievement. It is a personal achievement.

          We all KNOW that the BSA did ( ? does) not keep records about the ages one may earn such and award. It is a lie that that Co$ keeps perpetuating. I WANT THEM TO STOP.

          • aegerprimo

            I agree. My father was an Eagle Scout and he did not brag about what age he was when he achieved it.

          • Panopea Abrupta

            Let’s keep stopping them, then, lying b**tards !

          • SS

            Ha, that tells a little about Hubbard’s off the charts ego. Not only did he brag about it to the entire world, but also embellished the “youngest ever” part. Nope, simply achieving Eagle Scout wasn’t enough for his fat head.

            Sorry, I shouldn’t speak poorly of the genius responsible for a discovery “comparable to that of fire and superior to man’s invention of the wheel”.

    • Qbird

      sans goatee but topped with a 10 gallon white hat – YeeHaw! Nice photo M_L.

      • TXCowgirl

        A friendly FYI: the hat color is called Silverbelly. However, the connotations of a white hat are spot on!

        • cs sarabia

          Why the “belly” part?

          • TXCowgirl

            I can’t find an explanation. My guess is that it refers to the light colored underbelly of some animals. Usually a truly white hat is only worn by rodeo queens.

        • Qbird

          Silver belly? really? Ain’t never heard of that color TXCowgirl! Ok. cool.

          • TXCowgirl

            It’s a silver/off-white. There are various shades leaning toward a light dove grey. It’s a very common color after black.

            • Qbird

              Gotcha fine there girl ~ many birdies have off white underbellies. yup.
              Learn somethin’ everyday.
              And, I imagine, a lighter colored hat is better under that Texas sun, eh?!

        • richelieu jr

          Silverbelly is for people who appear yellow-bellied, but who have, in reality, been paid off… as in ‘That silverbellied Judas Iscariot…”

          (no insult intended to the Rt Hon Ricky Gervaisdrip….)

    • He looks rather brainless and rightarded in this yeah.

      • No one cares about US politics in here. There are people from multiple countries. Get out of here with that crap.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Unfortunately, Derek, US politics affects us all, regardless of where we live.
          5% of the world’s population, but using 25% of it’s resources.
          And the only truly global superpower, for now.

          Just the wrong forum.

          • I agree that is unfortunate, but my intended meaning still stands.

    • cs sarabia

      Looks like he’s lost weight. Or maybe the laptop hides the double chin in the courtroom photos.

    • Is this the same guy? Amazing what facial hair can do. I should grow some.

    • SS

      Man, he looks a good bit like Buddy Hackett right there, maybe a touch of Benny Hill.

  • The updates from Mr. MacLean are informative. Sounds to me like he wants to be deliberately obtuse and dense to avoid ending up in the Marianas Trench with other people who have squealed out crime bosses from more traditional organized crime rackets, maybe.

    Yeah, the guy is “fearless” for “taking on” the fascist State, except that the Obama regime isn’t going around dumping people in to the ocean wearing concrete (that we know of) yet given Scientology’s history, we can’t put anything past David. MacLean might be bright enough to know that talking evidence that puts organized crime gangsters in prison is a whole different ball game than coughing up a fascist State that still wants to pretend it’s anything but a theocratic corporate Oligarchy.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Give it a rest Damotclese.

      • Captain Howdy

        That’s a bingo!

        • Guest

          Who cares about socks?

          • Qbird

            Socks are useful for many many things, for instance, as it is wintertime ~

            • I <3 you

            • I <3 you

            • aegerprimo

              Now THAT is a clever use for socks.

            • Barbara Angel

              Hahahahaha love it, just love it…Thanks for the laugh.

            • Candygram

              Wow… I never woulda thought of that. It would be fun if they were snake socks…

          • cs sarabia

            I was half expecting to see socks covering private parts when I clicked on “see more.”

      • Qbird

        What the hell happened to yer Shamrock Boo? and… and… what IS that AV now?
        I need bigger pictures.
        or better glasses.

    • ROFL! Love the conspiracy-driven brain. I’m OSA, huh? Insane loon.

      • Captain Howdy

        You just gave yourself away with “insane loon”, Fred.

        • There’s nothing to “give away,” I posted my new Twitter account with my damotclese@gmail.com address, if people don’t know I’m “Volunteer Ministers” they missed my updates — and also missed my Twitter postings.

          • Captain Howdy

            Right said Fred. Cheers!

            • Yep. Zyob1 has been canceled, Volunteer Ministers was created and I asked everyone who followed Zyolb1 to switch to my new account. Looks like you didn’t get the note.

            • Captain Howdy

              Why do you need more than one account to post here?

            • I post using Twitter, whatever account I’m on Twitter on I post the same here. It’s not a conspiracy.

            • Captain Howdy

              So why did you deny being DamOT when jimmy accused you of being so?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              If it’s only about convenience, why would you bother logging into 8 different accounts only to down vote me? And you have to know that I only find that amusing, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. You trolling with your extremist political views does annoy me, though. You got me there.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        This is my new favorite screenshot. You reply to your own comment, in which you claim the US is both a fascist state and a theorcratic corporate oligarchy, to suggest that anyone other than yourself has a “conspiracy-driven brain.” Then you call me (I assume?) an insane loon for claiming that you are OSA. Except I made no such claim. You’re losing it, damOT.

        • Ah, the rightard doesn’t bother dragging his head out of Fox “News” huh?

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I’m not a right-winger, but sometimes I’ll watch Fox News to laugh at it. I like the one where they all gang up on poor old Bob Beckel, because he is hilarious when he’s annoyed. Sort of like you.

    • cs sarabia

      You missed a very well-known cement sneaker wearer. But, generally, people don’t have a problem with his demise.

      • You mean concrete galoshes? (Refresh for image.)

        Remember when Dr. Joan Wood disappeared after Scientology started visiting her house when she did the reports on Lisa McPherson’s autopsy? Lots of us thought she was wearing concrete overshoes.

        • cs sarabia

          No sneakers. I prefer alliteration.

          • I prefer steel toed boots, though when wearing concrete I suppose that’s redundant. 🙂

        • Barbara Angel

          Yep, and I was also very afraid that Shelly was 6 feet under.

    • You don’t even make any sense in your comment. There’s not a thread of continuity in here.

    • Sandy

      Hmmmmmm – another comment that makes me wonder….

      Demon drink?

    • Jo

      Suspicious socks.

    • Barbara Angel

      Don’t forget the ‘Fair Game’ policy, he might be under attack at this very moment. Best not to antagonise Mustravage tooooo much more at this point… He’s gnashing his teeth already and *Someone*…*Anyone* is going to cop it. So Mr MacLean might be doing a bit of a back peddle?

    • richelieu jr

      “…the Obama regime isn’t going around dumping people in to the ocean wearing concrete (that we know of)…”

      What kind of overshoes was bin Laden wearing again?

  • sizzle8

    There’s a crap load of stuff if you Google ‘Talon and Scientology’.

    From http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25258&view=previous

    Ben Shaw, Eugene Ingram and Thierry DeChaunac all claimed to work at Talon as Security guards or Private Investigators.

    and apparently David Lebow worked for Talon at one time.

    Also check out
    http://umbraxenu.wiki-site.com/index.php/Scientology_private_investigators
    http://www.discord.org/~lippard/pis.html

    • I had no idea. There’s a LOT more to this than meets the eye.

      • aegerprimo

        Yes. Just wow.

    • Also HolySmoke and SkepticTank cover it.

    • DeElizabethan

      Thanks so much sizzle8. It was fascinating. Page 2 was exceptional where I found an article from soul_of_man most helpful. He explains ex’s, like I hadn’t quite read before. http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/view

  • Guest

    For you cinefile critic maniacs, one of the main characters complains about being set up on a blind date with a scientologist in an amazing new Scottish film I just watched. called “Sunshine on Leith”

    • Jo

      Check out Nebraska, great movie.

      • richelieu jr

        Ah yes, Nebraska.. That’s in the highlands, isn’t it?

        Or wait.. On the Isle of Mull?

        • Jo

          No sorry, USA. I went off topic. Great movie 🙂

    • Candygram

      Ooooo… I love Scottish films … Gonna try to remember this one

  • Ah well, I must leave for the next 60 hours, I need to get my ass up to Windy Gap Saddle in 3 hours before the snow starts (refresh for image.) That rest bench right there is where I shall be, hope that David’s felony indictments wait until I return on Monday or Tuesday. 🙂

    • Eclipse-girl

      Looks wonderful, peaceful. Enjoy yourself. See ya soon

    • Qbird

      This looks so……….. warm!

    • DeElizabethan

      Have a good trip. Thanks for making me laugh today.

    • richelieu jr

      My Gods! Your shoes are almost as big as those trees!

      LORD XENU! You have returned!

  • aegerprimo

    Tony Ortega, you are so smart! You knew the delay in your news today would have us all “jonesing”. Now a lot of smart Bunkerites are talking, speculating, investigating, researching, etc.

    I hope this continues to snowball into a REAL search for Shelly, and a real demand for her appearance.

    • SS

      He came through with quite the fix didn’t he. My #1 dealer. But it has been a few hours, my mind is already contemplating the next hit….. hate the way that works.

    • Barbara Angel

      Upvote x 1,000

  • media_lush

    Dropped out?

    … more like the curse of scientology!

    • Candygram

      Well, her mom is dead right. Suicide by shotgun or something like that?

    • cs sarabia

      Looks like Smith got greedy. After that awful movie with his kid, he’s not wise to bag two major franchises. From what I’ve gathered over the years, he seems to have gotten more arrogant over time (e.g. parking an exhaust-belching two story trailer/bus on a cramped NYC street) He used to have a likability factor that’s diminished. And it seems to coincide with his involvement with a certain cult…

      • PoisonIvyHerself

        Actually I do think it coincides, CSS. When I met him (professionally & socially) in 2006/7, he could not have been more humble & gracious. It seems the arrogance factor has increased exponentially since then, coincident with his and especially Jada’s deepening involvement with the cult. Lush knows how I feel about this – Smith’s career is not in the slightest bit of danger at the moment. But dropping out of those two franchises shows really bad judgment for his longevity. Don’t know if he’s stopped listening to his partner at Overbrook, James Lassiter – brilliant businessman – or if there is a widening rift between them. As Tony reported, Lassiter has been known to warn Smith about talking too loudly about Scientology. Or else he could have some other brilliant longterm strategy in mind. Again, he’s not in any career danger…but he’s got to mind his image and make some better film choices.

        • richelieu jr

          Every time I see your Avatar not PI, I get the ‘Poison Ivy’ song in my head..

          “You’re gonna need an ocean/of calamine(ah) lotion…”

          • PoisonIvyHerself

            An ex-boyfriend of mine taught me that song about ten years ago; I”d never heard it before that! 🙂

        • richelieu jr

          Intersting… Not so sure I agree about his career, though. It’s not just the battlefield of After Earth that’s hurt him, but less-than stellar results (based on his salary) for films such as The Pursuit of Happyness, (especially) Hancock and even MiB3.

          He’s only made 4 films in the last 6 years, I think. There’s a reason why he’s making Bad Boys 3, and I suspect turning down the MiB and ID4 sequels may be because he doesn’t want people to see he can only make money with sequels (which is rapidly becoming the case with mentor Cruise)…

          The years he took off (coinciding with his picking up the soup cans) should have been the biggest money making ones for n action star like himself… Now he’s going to have to make the transition into middle age (one which Cruise handled with stunning grace and cunning..)

          • PoisonIvyHerself

            You make some good points. He’s made some poor choices. Because he’s got a built-in minority audience plus huge overseas box office cred. he’ll still on the A list…for now. I agree that he took the worst years possible off for an action hero…and being the Svengali to his kids has not helped him either. After Earth was a serious dud, not just a minor one like Hancock. Cruise being a workaholic has certainly worked in his favor. We’ll see what Smith decides to do next…I do hear loud mumblings that the family life isn’t stellar. So much for LRH and his happy marriage formula.

  • SS

    Got a question for anyone who can answer.

    What’s the deal with Shelly Miscavige’s family? I’m aware that she was born into the church, but does she not have any relatives on the outside who’d potentially want to raise hell to the cops about the possible false imprisonment of their family member?

    Today’s revelation gives everyone even more reason to believe that she’s, in fact, being held against her will….. guarded by professionals packing heat, no less. I’d be going apeshit were she my relative.

    • Sejanus

      Her family probably doesn’t have the rank to be asking about her.

      • SS

        I think you left out an F-bomb in there somewhere.

        • Sejanus

          I figure Tommy Davis had dropped enough of them to have it pretty well covered…lol

    • EnthralledObserver

      Her parents are both deceased… I think a sister is still in. Not sure if she has any other siblings. The Miscavige family that is ‘out’ seem to be a bit… nonplussed about Shelly… (I know Jenna has mentioned her, but am unaware of any proactive effort to find her or help her) and I have no idea if she even has any family on the Barnett side that is out.

      • SS

        Ok, thanks. Yea, I knew that her parents were deceased and I certainly don’t see the Miscavige clan standing up to their godawful son/sibling. But I thought she may have some extended family out of the church that may actually care about her. Although, being the lifer that she is, I doubt she’s ever had much to do with any relatives that aren’t in the church.

        I know it has only been a few days, but any news on the daughter-in-law?

        • EnthralledObserver

          Mine? Nah… and thank Xenu. Trying to avoid her.

  • Candygram

    I admit I have a cold and am tired… So not that with it… But did everyone on this board switch roles for this article? Is Friday upside down day?

    • Qbird

      Sorry ya gots the cold thing going on there, it does muddle things up some don’t it?
      Fuzziness abounds. Here’s a box of virtual soft yet strong aloe infused tissues for you and some tea with honey & fresh lemons to squeeze. Bless you.
      But, whatcha mean Candygram? It is business as usual here in the Bunker dear heart ~ yes?!
      lively discussion at full throttle. I find it very hard to keep up… i am trying to follow links & conversations like crazy. Hang in there.

      • Candygram

        Rofl. Thanks Qbird 🙂 the tissues with aloe are much appreciated… As is the tea with lemon and honey. Do you also happen to have some ginger, decongestant and perhaps some codeine cough syrup? Anyway, thx for the good humor. I do think I came into this arena of spy action, frenetic energy and name changes a bit late and not nearly at the speed of traffic.

        • Qbird

          Oh hey – I got some ginger brandy in the ol’ medicine cabinet – – –
          Oooo, drop a dollop or 2 into that tea & knock yerself out!
          One time, in the middle of a particularly vicious cold, I swear to god, this remedy saved my life. It was either that or the chicken soup – not entirely sure…

          re: the play action ~ just roll with it. Stay calm. We gonna figure this shit out.
          together.

          edit: when coming in late to the game, I find that starting with the “best” feature works real fine in terms of getting my feet wet. take care sweetie.

          • Candygram

            Ginger brandy. You are too kind. Yes… Yes, I think I will… Thx again Qbird …

    • Candygram

      I feel truly important on this auspicious evening, surrounded by all you shiny stars. I’d like to thank all the little people, my mom and dad, without whose support this would never have been possible, and of course the Academy.

      • SS

        Well done, you sound just as pretentious as any recent winner. We like you, we really like you.

        Are you sure you didn’t drink too much sizzzurp for your cold? Take an extra swig for me please.

    • Barbara Angel

      Naaaah… because… it’s Saturday. (in Australia) bet you didn’t expect that did you?

      • EnthralledObserver

        Barbara… I just gave you a -1 upvote. Us Aussies are just that clever, right?

        • Barbara Angel

          Yep we’re ahead of the Americans by a Whole Day and really, really, really Modest too. lol

      • Sydjazz

        We are in the future in australia woooo lol

      • Candygram

        I didn’t! Now I’m fashioning some ill begotten theory that Australia has spun the world lengthwise, and voila! BizarroUnderground! You dastardly Ozzies 🙂

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    For real, I just saw the Co$ Spiritual Technicolor Teabag ad on TV. It would probably be a good idea that everything I EVER IMAGINED did WAS NOT possible. Thought it was only in selective markets, and Houston wasn’t one of them. Since then, our cat has become extremely vocal and really interested in waking people up. Got the Irish Fest downtown tomorrow, so I’ll be sure to make a PSA to not go to the Houston Mission, then maybe I’ll get sued.

    • Sydjazz

      Technicolor teabag lol

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Incidentally, since the thought just now occurred to me and I made a few calls– Has anyone ever invited the Co$ to a group that you belong to’s event and then tried to crush reg them? If they show up at Irish Stew Fest tomorrow, they’re getting a taste of their own medicine! Booze for the Wheelbarrow of Booze Raffle, or your Thetan Goes in With Xenu!!!!!!! Bitches!!!!! Ive been drinking. . .

  • Jimmy Threetimes
    • Verve

      Yeah, that was cool. When the announcer said it, I was “yeah right.” Silly me.

    • Cat Daddy

      I love the muppet show

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    • Barbara Angel

      Finished my community service for the day. Even with a slow internet connection, I enjoyed every minute of flagging them.
      These sick fuckers really press my buttons.
      Experiencing
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  • Sydjazz

    Dude has obviously been hushed up. Don’t blame him for being quiet but you can tell he knows something

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      Props to you. If you’re actually Australian and I’m not just making a standard ‘merican generalization, I promised a couple Aussies that came and stayed with me that i’d visit them there. We’ll get drinks.

      • Sydjazz

        Yep it is sunday morning here 🙂

  • EnthralledObserver

    I think it is an important question to ask: Whilst MacLean may have done his time as a ‘Shelly Guard’ at that time… is it still occurring?
    And.. could ‘Shelly Guard’ duites not be ‘guarding against Shelly’s escape’, but ‘looking after Shelly’. i.e In the same manner as Davey Makemerich would have a guard contingency follow him around in case an ex RPF’er finally gets pissed off just enough?
    Of course, the guard duty results in the same thing – reporting to Makemerich… but still, nowhere in the story as reported had Mike’s friend said that MacLean said he was guarding against Shelly’s escape.

    • Jon Hendry

      I think MacClean may have guarded against Shelly’s escape without knowing, simply by representing an obstacle to anyone outside who tried to come get her (or anyone else). He may not have been ordered to keep her there, specifically – he probably wasn’t shown her picture and told to make sure she didn’t leave. The people most directly involved with restricting her freedom most blatantly and personally are probably CoS staff inside the facility.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      The Fat Bruce Willis totally got paid off. But, in his position, its really hard to blame him. He almost certainly got five figures to STFU. That being said, I caught a lot of heat awhile back for suggesting that we collect a bounty on kickstarter or similar for someone to put the boots to (and possibly scalp) Davey and come out with proof. A few weeks later, someone tried to call me out for soliciting money and was totally ignorant to the fact that I’d advocated violence. Scientology is a hell of a drug. I’ll stick with shrooms. . .

  • NeverIn

    What the hell? This is not a story, it’s a pressuring tactic, and it’s left a bad taste in my mouth all day. But I guess it’s working based on the volume of troll shit in here today – someone *really* wants to keep us distracted.

  • Sounds like MacLean, if he was anywhere near that assignment, signed a nondisclosure agreement.

    Nothing to see here, it’s not like the wife of Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige is a public person, or anything. (Now, Marty Rathbun’s wife, that’s a different story!)

    • richelieu jr

      You don’t have the RANK to post that!

  • Ardent

    Just read the article out of Israel. It is worth a read! They sure don’t suffer the scilon fools gladly. The article is unreservedly scathing, and deservedly so. I urge everyone to read it. It goes to show, even further, the insidious ways the cult will try to penetrate and coerce pretty much any organisation, especially, judging from this article, anything to do with money. Scumbags.

  • Cat Daddy

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/scientology-spies-invade-new-braunfels-texas/
    Scientology Spies Invade New Braunfels Texas
    http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/095.jpg?w=500&h=375
    Posted on February 8, 2014 by martyrathbun09 | 10 Comments
    MOAR ON HIS SITE !
    With Scientology Inc.’s traveling phalanx of lawyers comes
    a mobile surveillance apparatus. In the case of New Braunfels Texas a
    team of several operatives are deployed spreading from the courtroom
    where Rathbun v. Miscavige is
    being heard, throughout the courthouse, along the sidewalks to the
    coffee and sandwich shops team Monique frequents at breakfast and lunch.

  • Ardent

    Thanks for that, C-D. Incredible, isn’t it? What damned fool nasty bastards. Well, you know how we feel…Poor Monique.

    • Cat Daddy

      I hope Moxon has finally torpedoed his own career with this.

      • Ardent

        It would be nice. I’m off to sleep now – thanks again for that link. Always good to see you here fighting the good fight. See you tomorrow, probably. Cheers, C-D!

        • Cat Daddy

          night, night don’t let the Body Thetans bite.

  • Cat Daddy

    Posted on WWP

    http://udn.com/NEWS/SOCIETY/SOC2/7703775.shtml
    The problem with Scientology: Helen Chen is a rather well known person
    in Taiwan as she appears on TV in several occasions to promote her books
    or her Heart Bridge Consultancy – a life coach and mainly match making
    company. She even got onto Chinese TV programs. She didn’t mention
    that she has a Helen Chen Academy in LA that offers full Scientology
    services.

    What did she do? She started a nursery for staff on 7th floor, 1 or 2
    staff watching 12 babies while the minimum is 1:5. Staff have
    absolutely no qualifications as they are the parents taking turn on
    duty. It is not registered. What made it totally illegal is that she
    charges about US$700 a month for nursery fees.

    Each baby has about 3 sq metres of space. It is above minimum BUT that
    baby did not go home with parent after work. The baby lives there since
    6 month old, until he died at one year old. The parents were told that
    he had flu symptoms three days ago. The father claimed that he WAS
    about going to take him to see a doctor. The staff on duty in the
    morning found that the baby was dead.

    Helen Chen was the match maker of the parents.

    • Barbara Angel

      What is WRONG with those Sick Fuckers? Why do they Treat Children/Babies So BADLY?????????

      • Cat Daddy

        They all become little L Ron Hubbards in the cult

        • Barbara Angel

          OK I get it, annihilation of the potential competition. Just seems strange to me; the systematic inhumanity, instead of loving and caring for little babies & children. Definitely anti-survival stuff, as care and protection of kiddies is built in to our brain wiring.
          Well it is for normal people.

          • Cat Daddy

            You just have to see how Hubbard went mad on the ship, how he treated man women and children and his own family members.

            Scientology is the mirror Image of L Ron Hubbards personality

            • Barbara Angel

              Yep, further Proof of a Sick and Twisted Fucker, who appeared to absolutely Hate people except for those who had money. Then when their money ran out, I’m guessing they were given the same treatment.

            • Missionary Kid

              On the ship? he was already evil. The ship just gave him more power over a few people, and allowed him to isolate himself from the majority of clams so they could worship his ideas from afar

    • SS

      The psychosis of Scientology transcends all cultures. No matter the country, when an individual becomes a Scientologist, that person becomes a lying, cheating, stealing asshole.

      • Cat Daddy

        He becomes L Ron Hubbard

      • Ardent

        That does seem to be their Golden Rule, SS. Ratbag cult of the doomed.

    • Ardent

      Well, C-D, I couldn’t sleep, thought I’d check out the bunker and you hit us with this latest atrocity by the cult! As Barbara Angel says:”What is WRONG with those sick fuckers?” I ask the same question, Barbara.

  • Lone Star

    For someone who had the “courage to take on the government”, he seems very evasive in answering questions about the security work he did for CST. To me that indicates one of two things…..

    1) He’s more afraid of Scientology than he is the government. Not surprising really. Many people are more afraid of the CoS than they are the government.

    2) He does have firsthand knowledge of a crime and is afraid to say anything than can implicate himself.

    If 2) is correct then he’d better start finding a good lawyer to retain.

    • Sydjazz

      My thoughts too

  • domitare

    When did the TRO against the church end, they are still harassing the Rathbuns according to their post
    today. I am speechless.

    • deathtoallpoliticians

      greetings, domitare! the co$ has probably disregarded the tro because, in their arguments, said surveillance is a protected first amendment activity regardless of what the tro says. this is dangerous ground for the co$ as sanctions, serious sanctions, may be imposed. however, even if sanctions are imposed by the court, i can totally see the co$ appealing any sanction on first amendment grounds; thereby delaying the inevitable litigation for yet more time. it will be interesting to see if waldrip gets involved here. cheers!

  • sugarplumfairy

    I just read the latest update.. Wow.. I do believe a nerve was struck.. pretty interesting..

  • Lawrence DeWolfe

    Chris Shelton going public with his great integrity and honestly after all those decades working as a dedicated believer is a MAJOR STORY in my book. This guy was EVERYWHERE doing Missions and working very hard from top to bottom in Scientology. His going Totally Free and speaking up is Amazing! Part 1 had 12 views….Part 2 had 1200 views. It should go viral ASAP!

  • Rebecca Howell

    One thing I notice about this organization that is supposedly helping one to attain an almost godlike state- why all the smoking and cussing? Seems to me that these people aren’t very happy.

  • Strelnikov

    The Israeli business conference was for Ultra-Orthodox Jews (the “God-fearing”, i.e. heredim) and the two Scns sound like WISE members, or Scns posing for a fake business group made up by their “church.”

    What’s weird about the whole thing is that I thought large chunks of CoS-Israel had defected to the FreeZone…..

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