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Jefferson Hawkins provides Scientology a way to happiness that actually works

Jefferson_Hawkins_ObeyJefferson Hawkins is a man who is very well known to our readership. We’re big fans of his terrific book about his experiences as a Scientologist, Counterfeit Dreams. We learn in that book how Jeff was Scientology’s top marketing expert, and was responsible for the famous “volcano” television commercials of the 1980s that helped the organization reach its greatest extent.

Hawkins is also known for another book, Leaving Scientology, which has proved to be a valuable asset for people trying to adjust from life in Scientology (especially in its controlling “Sea Org”) to the modern world.

We’re fortunate that Jeff continues to think about these issues, and sent us the following item that has timeless advice not only for struggling former Scientologists, but for the rest of us as well. It’s a small masterpiece.

 
Twelve lessons every ex-Scientologist needs to learn

1. The world outside Scientology is not a dangerous or degraded or hostile place. You’ll find that on the whole, people are pretty nice, and you’re likely to encounter more kindness, empathy, and friendliness — and less judgment — than you did inside Scientology.

2. You have your own ideas and opinions separate from those of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. Learn to differentiate. Ask yourself, “is this really what I personally think or believe, or is this just what I was taught in Scientology?” Stop putting everything through a Scientology filter to determine if it is good or bad, true or false. Make your own decisions. And it’s OK to disagree with Hubbard and Scientology.

3. You have the right to privacy and to your own personal space. Your private life, your activities, your lifestyle are your own choice and no one has the right to pry or invade your space or pass judgment. You do not have to reveal or confess everything about your life to anyone. People in general do not care or judge you.

4. Learn to relax and live your life. You don’t have to be “productive” every moment. Take the time to relax, go for long walks, daydream, read a book, hang out with friends and family. You are not on the clock and you don’t have to measure every minute of your life against some arbitrary standard of “production.”

5. Make an effort to overcome any prejudices instilled by Scientology. Gays are not “covertly hostile.” Psychiatrists are not evil. Journalists are not “merchants of chaos.” “Wogs” are not degraded or out-ethics. And they are not “wogs.” Try to re-examine generalities like this and see people and institutions for who they actually are, not what Scientology told you they are.

6. People who disagree with you are not “enemies.” People who challenge your opinions are not “attacking” you. Loosen up. Try to see other viewpoints. Re-examine your own opinions and conclusions. You will never learn anything if you only reactively defend your own position and demonize those who disagree.

7. It’s important to take care of yourself. See a doctor regularly. Get a checkup. See the dentist. Take needed medication. Get over any preconception that doctors, dentists, or medicine are bad, scary, invalid, or unnecessary.

8. Emotion is a good thing. It is not a sign of a weak person or a “lesser being.” Emotions are a part of life, and everyone feels them. It is not shameful to feel anger, grief, or depression, and it does not make you less of a person. If you try to suppress your so-called “lower” emotions, you may end up being unable to feel anything.

9. Whatever wins you have had, remember that nothing in Scientology has made you superior to others. Get over any sense of superiority or entitlement. Realize that Scientologists have the same hang-ups, problems, foibles, and faults as anyone else. They make the same mistakes and commit the same sins. Scientologists have not reached a “higher state” where they have super powers or are morally or intellectually or spiritually superior to others. Try to see yourself objectively and with humility. Do not approach others with arrogance or condescension.

10. Get over the idea that your life only has meaning if you are “serving a higher purpose.” Just living your life with love, tolerance, kindness, and charity is what gives it meaning. If the world is to be improved, it will be through individual acts of kindness, friendship, and generosity, not some organized international movement to “save the planet.”

11. You don’t need to follow someone else on your life’s journey. You don’t need a leader or a guru or a “source.” You don’t need an “ism” or “ology.” Get over the idea that Scientology — or anyone for that matter — has all the answers. Broaden your horizons. If you are interested in learning more about the mind and spirit, read or study broadly. You don’t need someone else to define truth for you. You are fully capable of coming up with your own ideas, opinions, and conclusions. Blaze your own trail to your own truth.

12. You don’t need to be constantly “fixed” or corrected. You don’t need constant auditing or interviews or therapy to survive. Scientology only exists by constantly “finding people’s ruins” and convincing them of their failings and imperfections all the way up the line. In all likelihood, there is not as much wrong with you as you might have been led to believe and you are pretty much fine just as you are.

— Jefferson Hawkins

 
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Vance Woodward (center) with Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine

Vance Woodward (center) with Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine

Vance Woodward smacked down in court again

Yesterday, Vance Woodward had another day in court, asking Judge Michael Johnson of the LA Superior Court to reconsider the decision he had made earlier, to grant Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion which dismissed the lawsuit Woodward had brought against the organization.

Woodward spent 22 years in Scientology, then left and wrote a book about his experiences and helped us blog Dianetics from cover to cover. He sued Scientology last year, saying he wanted back $200,000 he had put on account for services he would never receive, but he also targeted much of his lawsuit at Scientology’s processes, which he says harmed him. Judge Johnson granted Scientology’s anti-SLAPP motion, criticizing Woodward for making the suit about the church’s religious practices rather than solely about a refund.

Woodward filed the motion, asking Johnson to reconsider his decision, complaining that Scientology had sandbagged him when it switched up the order of the motions it wanted heard in court. But Judge Johnson wasn’t swayed.

Plaintiff’s arguments only constitute further elaboration on the matters presented in his opposition to the motion, and Plaintiff appears to have been aware of them at the time of the hearing. Plaintiff claims that he was misled by Defendants’ arbitration motion which caused him to focus on certain issues to the exclusion of others. But this also could have been raised at the time of the hearing. Plaintiff has not presented any persuasive reasons to re-examine the court’s 10/8/14 ruling, and the motion for reconsideration is denied.

The judge also granted Scientology’s request for attorney fees and costs, and after some criticism of the high rate being asked for by church attorney Gary Soter ($750 an hour), granted Scientology 70 percent of what it was asking for, saddling Woodward with a bill of $90,507.50.

Woodward plans to appeal the ruling.

Here’s the judge’s order…

Woodward v. Scientology: Motion to Reconsider Denied

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

London is still making auditors? Who knew!

 
SciLondonAuditor

 
If you were a quadruple humanitarian with the power to affect matter with your mind for the good of mankind, how would you spend your time?

 

 
Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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OUR COUNTDOWNS

17 days until Alex Gibney’s film Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief opens at the Sundance Film Festival at 2:30 pm on Sunday, January 25 in Park City, Utah

4 days until our special Underground Bunker announcement at noon, January 12

 
Posted by Tony Ortega on January 8, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING (Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

 

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  • Sid

    Staff auditors. In the elite of the elite. (F5)

    • Observer

      She looks like she’s been crying.

      • Sid

        Her entire college fund paid for a new suit and shoes for Dapper Misappropriate. I’d be crying too. Wait, I gave my college fund to LRH. Give me a moment here,,,,

        • Observer

          *passes the kleenex*

          You took your life back. I hope this poor girl does too.

          • Sid

            Theb yu. I’ll be fymb. (HOOOOONKKKK)

            Yes, and she’s young enough to still have a full life, including college.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ve added Dapper Misappropriate to the DM list. I’ll post it this weekend.

      • April

        Poor kid looks like she hasn’t had a proper night’s sleep in weeks (or longer).

        • Sid

          And she won’t. Ever. As long as she is on staff.

    • Ardent

      Her fingers look tense.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Her dark eye bags look tense.

        • Ardent

          Yep.

  • Ardent

    I have yet to look down the thread, and I’ll bet lots of people have said this, but that Grant Cardone – what an asshole.

    • Mrs. V.

      It cannot be said enough.

      • April

        Grant Cardone has one of the most punchable faces I’ve ever seen.

        • Everytime I see it I want to smack him in the face with a fry-pan.
          Tub of Lard Liverlips has the same effect on me.

  • cdub

    Yes Hawkins’ advice works … but will it solve last summer’s crisis in Ferguson?

    • Lucille Austero

      No. Only The Way To Happiness will solve problems such as this.

      • April

        Don’t get me started on the pamphlet rant again! 😉

    • We can say it does. Who’s going to prove us wrong.

  • Missionary Kid

    Grant Cardone and spouse have their own lists of comments made about them. You can find them under MISCELLANEOUS $CIENTOLOGISTShttp://tonyortega.org/2015/01/01/happy-new-year-2015-now-the-real-scientology-countdown-begins/#comment-1770018181

    • Lucille Austero

      That is a most appropriate category, in this case, MK 🙂

      • Missionary Kid

        Yup. The list also includes Krusty Alley and Tom Cruise, as well as a cast of other deluded beings.

  • anoni81b4u

    OK I read down the page where a poster noted that many people on this message board have nothing good to say about Hubbard as policy. While I am no fan of the church of Stupidology, Im not a big fan of any religion. I also, am not a fan of the North Korean government. (just in case someone calls me a commie)
    I am about to admit something that has never been admitted on this message board, and quite possibly, the entirety of the internet and all written word publications. I liked Battlefield Earth.
    Send in the lynch mob

    • Mrs. V.

      Actually, Mitt Romney also liked it.

      • Lucille Austero

        I bet Ann did not like it.

        • Ardent

          Actually she ran out and got nose plugs just to please ‘ol Mittens….

    • Lucille Austero

      Your admission is so farfetched as to be unbelievable.

      • anoni81b4u

        So you didn’t see the movie ?

        • flyonthewall

          u mean the book or movie? I saw the movie and it was indeed quite putrid. Instant MST3K material

          • Lucille Austero

            Oh no. So three people have seen the movie? I have seen it. But it was purely for research purposes.

            • Ardent

              It was so wretched I began laughing. TOTAL PIECE OF CRAP.

            • pluvo

              I will see it again if sb pays me some hundred dollars. Or when I want to try out some kind of masochism

            • Lucille Austero

              Yes, instead of a black hood and one of those red ball thingies that Bruce Willis had to wear in Pulp Fiction, you could just slip Battlefield Earth into the VCR and go from there. Same effect.

            • pluvo

              LOL. I didn’t remember that scene, had to watch it again. I was thinking more about the movie where the guy got drugged and his eyes were forcefully held open with some kind of apparatus, and he got implanted to kill the daughter of some guy. But I don’t remember the title of the movie.

            • Missionary Kid

              How about sleep?

            • pluvo

              Yeah.

          • Observer

            Rifftrax gave it the treatment. It’s probably on YouTube somewhere. Or Netflix.

            • noseinabk
            • Stacy

              What kind of accent is JT trying to pull off in this movie? Whatever it is, it doesn’t seem to be working. This is just awful.

            • Stacy

              I found this Hilariocity review of BE. It’s decently funny. I’d love to send this to DM and watch the veins on his forehead start throbbing.

              http://youtu.be/Efier0fVWH0

            • flyonthewall

              thnx will check it out

        • Ardent

          Are you serious? I…Lost for words, but well…Digustibus non est disputandum.

    • pluvo

      Did you see the movie, too?

      • anoni81b4u

        Yea, book and movie.

        • pluvo

          Did you like the movie, too?

          • anoni81b4u

            Yes, I did like it

            • Lucille Austero

              No you did not.

            • Sid

              You liked the movie? (F5)

            • Destructor of Worlds

              So that’s where Tom cruise went.

            • Lucille Austero

              That’s just his vacation home.

            • Sid

              Doing a remake of The Firm.

            • That picture is the exact reason why I have no interest in watching BE as long as I still have the gift of sight. I would spend the whole movie wondering who or what the hell he has stuffed in there.
              And now I have the image of Dave’s head popping out of there singing “Surprise Motherf**kers!”

            • Jenstnick

              Great now that’s all I can see too!

            • You are welcome. I believe in sharing the pain 🙂

            • Sid

              That was Target 2 for LRH.

            • pluvo

              Interesting.
              My brother, non-Scientologist, said he liked the book. But when he saw the movie he was aghast and said it sucked. He said he couldn’t understand how John Travolta could himself be misused for such a dreck.When I saw it then later was suffering from vicarious embarrassment. It was such out-PR.
              Do you know the story when ‘COB’ was throwing JT under the bus when talking with TC about the movie?

              And …So – what do you think about what Jeff Hawkins was writing??

            • anoni81b4u

              I saw a Video about how JT got thrown under the bus by COB. starring M,R and M.R.
              Jeff Hawkins stuff he wrote today.. Seemed like common sense stuff, put out in a matter that might appeal to and help someone in this cult. I assume that’s why he did it.

            • pluvo

              So, I guess, you were never a Scientologist? Since when are you a Scio watcher? What brought you to this blog?

            • anoni81b4u

              My quest into all things scientology started around 2008. I started searching for things I had seen about those new “anonymous” groups.. watched a mark bunker video and have been at it ever sense. I have been visiting this blog almost everyday for over a year. Best place to get the scoop on the latest crap about stupidology.

            • pluvo

              I see! Now – if you haven’t read it already – there is the the “Mission Earth” series waiting for you.
              See ya!
              Your friendly lynch mob member.

          • Lucille Austero

            Too? Like he read the book AND saw the movie. No. This I will not believe.

            • pluvo

              He is hard core. Lots of confront (nodding my head in admiration and shaking it disbelievingly at the same time). 😀

            • Lucille Austero

              I just tried the nodding and the shaking and all I got was dizzy 🙁

            • pluvo

              I’m tumbling/staggering/spinning – sorry, no time to search for the correct word – I’m an alien.

            • beauty for ashes

              Not the vertigo again? Must we take you to the clinic?

            • Lucille Austero

              You are very kind, but I have pills 🙂

        • Lucille Austero

          No. Not book and movie. No. Did not.

    • There is know way that you could actually know the real, true history of Hubbard and (a) like him, or (b) believe that scientology is legit. Those people are delusional. So don’t feel like you need to defend your dislike of that piece of shit. We don’t like him because we are not delusional.

      • anoni81b4u

        Hey there potty mouth, one moment please.
        1. I do know the history of Hubbard, (not enough to write a book, but I have done much research)
        a. Never claimed to like him.
        b. I don’t believe any religion is “legit”
        I was not trying to defend my dislike for Mr Hubbard.
        I am really glad that you are not delusional.
        I was Just trying to point out that a truly objective person, often doesn’t believe everything that everyone else in a particular group of people believes.
        But as far as you not being delusional, That makes me happy 🙂

        • Hey it’s not fault Tony removed the filter. He knew what he was getting in to. Plus I make my contribution to the swear jar so I’m absolved.

          I just think it’s silly to feel the need to defend your objectivity (which is what you’re doing in your post) because of the rantings of a Hubbard apologist. Hubbard was a bad, bad person. All around. He’s up there with the likes of Bernie Madoff.

          • anoni81b4u

            Derek
            All poor ol Bernie did was to steal money from rich people, ALOT of money. That is why he is in jail.
            LRH. Was a Liar, and a theif also.
            He also started a cult.
            Treated his children and wives badly.
            Was in charge of the biggest spying operation and infiltration in U.S. government history.
            Let his wife go to prison (Bernie Madoff kept his wife out of prison)
            Started fair game and 1000 other crazy ass things in stupidology
            Ect. ect ect .
            I now wonder how much you know about LRH.
            Bernie Madoff was a mother fucking boyscout compared to him.

            • No need to condescend. I am knowledgeable enough about both to hold my own opinions. I’m also not going to piss into the wind about which bad guy is worse than the other bad guy.

    • Ardent

      We ran out of lynch mobs before the Bunker even opened.

      • There’s a pinch mob still in stock. Oh dear, cheek-pinching grannies.

        • TheQueenofBulgravia

          You called?

    • Missionary Kid

      I have a friend who read the book and thought it wasn’t bad. He hasn’t read much science fiction, even though we’re starting our 70th decade.

      I found the book unreadable after reading Heinlein, Asimov, Phillip K. Dick, Poul Anderson, C.M. Kornbluth, and a host of other writers contemporary or later than him.

      • Ardent

        I’m with you, MK.

      • Stacy

        My brother is as well-read in sci-fi as you and I are. He did actually like BE. So did my mom. I’ll get around to it at some point. Though if it seems to be as awful as ME is, I may just spork it.

        • Missionary Kid

          I found the language stilted and overblown, which is an LRH trademark, and the dialog was too wordy.

          There always will be people that like a certain book, but in the case of BE, it got enough hype from the clams to get it on the best seller list. I started it, wondering what all the fuss was about, and, to me, it wasn’t worth taking the time to read after I got about 50 pages in. I’ll spend my time reading far better books.

          In a recent afternoon, I finished off a Louis L’Amour book, and previous to that, read Unbroken. That’s aside from all of the Bunker books.

          • Stacy

            I read voraciously, continuously. I doubt seriously I’ll find anything to appreciate in BE- I certainly didn’t in ME. Maybe when I was 15, but my tastes are bit more sophisticated these days.

            • Missionary Kid

              By the time I was 15, I was already long in the adult science fiction section of the library, and had read about 1/2 of them after finishing off all of the ones in the children’s section. I was reading Astounding and Science Fantasy and Fiction regularly in the library.

              Campbell had good tastes in science fiction, and was a good editor in spite of the mistake he made in giving Hubbard a chance to spew his theories. I heard a rumor that publishing Dianutty was something he regretted. By the time I started to read Astounding in the middle 50s, he never mentioned Hubbard.

            • Stacy

              Yeah, I was reading adult fiction by 11. Stephen King and the like. However, I’ve gone back and re-read some of the random stuff I read back then, and after re-reading it, I was like,”really? I liked this?” So I’m assuming I wasn’t as discerning or sophisticated. If you can call someone who reads Stephen King sophisticated, lol.
              I didn’t really get into sci-fi until I was an adult. I liked horror and fantasy as a teen.
              BTW, I’ve never read Louis L’Amour. I’ve never been a big fan of Westerns.

            • Missionary Kid

              I stayed away from Westerns and Whodunnits for a long time, but then started out with the classics of Mysteries, like those written by Raymond Chandler. I’d seen the movies made (the ones with Humphrey Bogart are the best, IMO) from watching TV in the 50s, when they had no movies that were younger than 10 years old.

              Later, I went to a reading by Sue Grafton, just for the hell of it and got hooked on her books.

              Westerns, I got started on because I got a set of the complete stories of O. Henry. BTW, the Cisco Kid was an outlaw, not a hero.

              Then, someone had one of L’Amours books lying around when I was visiting, and I picked it up. He tells a good yarn. His stories are set with pretty good historical accuracy for the settings. The hero always wins, of course, but he takes you an an interesting journey.

              Both genres have some excellent writers.

            • Stacy

              I haven’t watched too many of the mysteries from the 50s. I’m a fan of the musicals. And Katherine Hepburn movies.
              I haven’t actually said what I read. I read a lot of non-fiction, obviously; a lot of academic journal articles, and a lot of scholarly texts. I read some non-fiction for fun too. I found this guy, Mitchell Zuckoff, who writes these wonderful books about WWII planes that went down and the rescue operations that occurred at that time, and also recovery operations that went on decades after the planes were lost. Great stuff.
              I also read a ton of fiction. Right now, L.E. Modesitt, Jr. 9both his sci-fi and fantasy); Sherri S. Tepper; Charles deLint; Stephen King; Asimov; Anderson; Piers Anthony (his old stuff); Tami Hoag (I’ve read some Sue Grafton, too); and a ton of others. I recently ran across an author named Kate Elliott. She writes alternative history steampunk stuff (at least, the stuff of hers I read fits this category). Very cool stuff. Some Koontz, some Marion Zimmer Bradley. I’m a big fan of the Harry Potter books. The list is pretty much endless. There isn’t anything better than a good book. 😀

            • Missionary Kid

              Since I’m a Swedish American, I got caught up in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo series. I read all of the series, watched the Swedish movie versions of the books, and was expecting a weak American version. I didn’t really like Daniel Craig until that film, and I was impressed with his acting and the film. I probably have a soft spot of the books because of my ancestry, but my sister also loved them so much she bought the series for a friend of hers.

              There was one moment in the film that only I laughed at. My grandfather in Sweden was a fundamentalist preacher, and he lived in Skellefteå which is in northern Sweden, where my father, also a fundamentalist preacher, was from.

              The daughter of the hero stops off to see him, and gives him an important clue to solving the murders because she realizes that the names and numbers he’s trying to decode refer to bible verses. She’s on her way to bible camp in, wait, wait, Skellefteå. I cracked up at the coincidence.

              My reading of Louis L’Amour is basic mind candy, but his autobiography, The Education of a Wandering Man is not, and is a fascinating look at the depression and early and middle 20th century events from the viewpoint of a young man. The book is also a very interesting reading list of the books that he read and that influenced him.

            • Stacy

              L’Amour’s autobiography sounds fascinating. I’m putting it on my list.
              I’ve only seen the movie version of The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. I’ve heard the books are superb. I’ll get around to reading them at some time. The rape scenes were very disturbing, and that turned me off the idea of reading them for a while. I’ll end up reading them at some point.

            • Missionary Kid

              My sister, who doesn’t like violence either, was the one fascinated with the books. The American movie only covers the first book of the trilogy.

              I started out reading them, and even though I’m somewhat familiar with Swedish names and geography from traveling there, some of that was a bit off putting. I found myself kind of cruising along reading them, and then sitting up and saying out loud, “Holy Shit!” with each plot twist.

              My sister, who’s been to Sweden several times to visit our cousins, said, “I didn’t realize they had so much crime in Sweden.” I just laughed and reminded her that it’s a book of FICTION. People have a similar distorted view of America.

              Another writer who is unfortunately deceased, is Tony Hillerman, whose mysteries set in Navajo lands offer a completely different pace. I think that they give a window on the culture. In an interview, he said that the young Navajos purposely mispronounce words as he did in a gentle way to kid him.

              A mystery writer who often had different lead characters, but the stories are all centered around horses was Dick Francis. I learned a lot about international law, insurance, and horses from him. He was a former British jockey who rode the Queens horses, turned to journalism after he retired, and was scraping by when he started writing novels. After his wife died, he revealed that she was actually his co-writer. He died a few years later.

            • Stacy

              I have most of Dick Francis’ work. Big fan. I’ve not heard of Hillerman. I’ll check him out.

            • Missionary Kid

              They had two of Hillerman’s stories on PBS. I had read the stories, but when I turned on the TV and caught one in the middle, it was boring. Later, I watched both from the beginning, and they were excellent.

    • Tony Ortega

      The problem is, the best scenes of Travolta camping it up with his wife in the Psychlo bar were removed for the DVD version. I saw the movie in the theater on opening day (with 6 other people), and if you only saw it on video or streaming, then you’re missing the best part.

      Travolta must have realized his vamping as Terl was a bit much even for that movie.

      • Oh, is that the only problem?

      • L. C. Spencer

        Are you saying that no truth-enabling lover of humanity has leaked these onto YouTube yet? if so, that is a global tragedy.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i like Roadhouse.

    • airbreathe

      I know how you feel. Every time I declare The Master to have been a terrible disappointment my comments are received by this community as blasphemous. So many of us wanted so badly for that film to be so great that some of us willfully deceive ourselves and still pretend it was. Personally, I would argue that the film wasn’t ready for release at all.

      I was among the first to see The Master in NYC, 3 weeks before its national release, surrounded by the most enthusiastic crowd you could imagine. As the film ended and the credits began to roll, there was dead silence in the audience. No applause, just an awkward tension in the air. Everyone was feeling the same thing. There was no denying it.

      • Tony Ortega

        I’ve expressed numerous times my disappointment that Anderson didn’t follow his own script, which was breezy and hilarious. Sadly, it became too much about Joaquin Phoenix mugging for the camera. Definitely a disappointment.

        That said, Hoffman was great in his portrayal of Dodd (and he, at least, stuck pretty closely to the script).

        Some of us will always celebrate this film simply because it got made. In years earlier, it would never have happened.

      • I was disappointed at the lackluster as well. It could have been much better. I did however enjoy watching it. I am looking forward to the Theroux movie.

      • Observer

        I didn’t see it, but I take issue with your assertion that people who thought it was good are willfully deceiving themselves just because they don’t share your disappointment.

        • Where airbreathe set his expectations so high that he was disappointed, I think there were as many people just happy to see a movie like this actually come out (as Tony pointed out below).

        • airbreathe

          Oh come on, I clearly said “some of us” willfully deceive ourselves, not everyone who thought the film was good.

          Regardless, I stand by my claim. Many folks (especially in this community) have routinely downplayed their disappointment, and it’s perfectly understandable why. Such a great filmmaker, tackling such a great subject, and providing such a great opportunity to expose some ugly truths — and the result just wasn’t satisfying. It was difficult for many to admit.

    • Stacy

      I haven’t gotten around to trying to read BE. If it’s anything like his Mission Earth series, I’m going to think you’re a little strange for liking it, but I won’t attack you for it. If it’s even halfway decent, I’ll make a point of seeking you out to tell you. 🙂

      BTW: my mom read it when it first came out. She liked it. So did my brother.

    • Chee Chalker

      What did you like about BE? I liked Vanilla Sky, so I share your fear of public humiliation

    • Chee Chalker

      Also, did you mean BE the book or BE the movie?

    • Ella Raitch

      I liked Hudson Hawk

    • Phil McKraken

      “I am about to admit something that has never been admitted on this message board, and quite possibly, the entirety of the internet and all written word publications. I liked Battlefield Earth.”

      I guess it doesn’t count as appearing on a message board, the internet or written word publications, but in an interview a few years ago, Mitt Romney answered Battlefield Earth to the question of his favorite book. So, you’re in terrible company.

      Check it out!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxsdLFv9fn8

  • Daverator

    If this guy doesn’t reek of sleazebag, I don’t know who does: http://youtu.be/gwbw0Qx7u84

    • Tracy Schmitz

      who is this? and whether he’s being real or trying to be funny.. HE”S A LOSER! what a world that someone like him can be monetary successful enough to buy a house? and have a wife? ewwww! what kind of woman must she be? yikes and double yikes!….

      • MaxSpaceman

        she is this kind of woman [ F5 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSxMKRfqGrA

        • Stacy

          By Xenu’s shorthairs! HER again!

          She said, “becomed.” “Becomed.”

          She wants to be a super model. This is so sad that being a super model is her highest ambition. Even sadder is the fact that even though she’s supposed to be Homo Novis, she’s still fallen prey to same cultural beauty issues that us normal women experience.
          You know why you don’t have the same kind of thighs those super-models have, Elena?! It’s not because you ate the icing off your cake (though I wouldn’t be surprised is you puked every bit of it up afterward). It’s because YOU DON’T HAVE THE CORRECT BODY TYPE!! Only 4% of the women in the US have that body type. And that body type includes having thighs that don’t touch together.

          It’s sickening seeing girls doing endless leg lifts and workout routines in an attempt to get thighs that they physically will never be able to have. All to strive toward a ridiculous standard of perfection that isn’t ever achieved even by those who portray it. Photoshop people. Airbrushing. Fake tans. Tape in unmentionable places. Bulimia. Anorexia. Starvation. Mental, psychological and emotional damage. All for an impossible beauty standard THAT ISN’T NECESSARY!!!

          Ok. Sorry. I’m done with my rant now. This just pisses me off.

      • Stacy

        I believe this is Grant Cardone’s brother. I believe they’re twins. If I’m wrong, I’m sure someone will correct me. They’re both scientologist douchebags.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Yes, that is Grant Cardone’s twin brother Gary. They are the most insufferable pack of fools I have ever accidentally seen on YouTube.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ REMINDER +–+ RED X ***
    Stats Thursday, they are replacing their flagged ads and refreshing the wobbly ones.
    At San Jose org they are selling their furniture!
    67 ads already this on Statsday (see the Daily Wip). Keep checking the Daily Wip for California later this evening every 2nd hours.
    RedX write up : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-117#post-2494321
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    For those who do not have much time but would like to send a message to Tony Chen here are the links for Sacramento Riverpark mission.
    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/search/bbb?query=%22916+925+2545%22%7C%22916+519+5287%22%7C%223825+marconi%22%7C%22scientology+of+riverpark%22
    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/search/ccc?query=%22916+925+2545%22%7C%22916+519+5287%22%7C%223825+marconi%22%7C%22scientology+of+riverpark%22
    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/search/eee?query=%22916+925+2545%22%7C%22916+519+5287%22%7C%223825+marconi%22%7C%22scientology+of+riverpark%22
    http://sacramento.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=%22916+925+2545%22%7C%22916+519+5287%22%7C%223825+marconi%22%7C%22scientology+of+riverpark%22
    If you like to do ALL Sacramento (about 100 ads) go to the Regional list of the RedX spreadsheet. (see link above).

    James aka JJ and Gregory are spamming again after a break of a few months, find them in the Regional List or the Last 4 Days!

    We need fire power: Borderlands RED Xers, enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX & flickred by Aegerprimo:. https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14973103208/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Pierrot

      More fire power:
      Fanart by CRS, enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX & flickred by Aegerprimo:.
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15579043642/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Pierrot

      Hi Mark,
      oxford is flagged for removal, well done.
      Now lets do it to Sac, LA, SF …

      • Mark

        HOORAY! Thanks to all who helped 😀 Oh, if only Dublin were as easy to shift… I’m beginning to suspect either the dreaded Dermot (head of the org on Middle Abbey St.) has agents inside Irish Craigslist, or else there’s nobody in charge of CL there at all!

    • NOLAGirl

      What do you think about this ad Pierrot? Flag or no flag?

      http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/com/4836549265.html

      • Pierrot

        Up to you Nola, I would say NO flag. There are half out, they need space to sort themselves out. Thanks for pointing it out to us.

        • NOLAGirl

          Thanks for the help, I didn’t flag it in the end. I agree with you, they’re out so let them sort things out.

  • Lucille Austero

    You know why it feels weird in here today? Too much Cardone. An oversaturation, if you will. I’ve gotta get a glass of water so I can take my meds 🙂

  • Vaquera

    O/T: Fluffy the Feral Feline

    Just a quick update to let last night’s pet advisors know that the wayward kitten is in good hands. An acquaintance of mine who volunteers at CAP (Citizens for Animal Protection) picked up Fluffy and took her to the no-kill shelter. I remembered about her when I awoke mid-sleep to check on the little black fur ball . Thanks to all concerned last night. We each played a little part in the cyber-successful rescue effort.

    • Juicer77

      Awesome! They will find her a good home, I’m sure 🙂 Great work!

      • Stacy

        What Juicer said, Vaquera. Fluffy got lucky!

    • LHS

      Fluffy was lucky that such a caring person found her last night. Good for you!

    • The Dude

      Yay!

    • Sherbet

      “Fluffy” nothing. Little kitty had a Don King hairdo for sure. Cute little guy/gal.

      • Vaquera

        I’m going to have to get keyboard insurance.

        • Sherbet

          Here’s a towel.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you. You did such a good job helping to save him/her. I hope she finds a beautiful home soon!

      Now she has has a tiny feel for warmth and a home, she might just make a lovely family member. Without you, she had no chance.

  • Stacy

    O/T: Last night someone posted a link to an article about Jaden Smith starting a clothing line labelled 666. We spent some time talking about how disturbed and deranged he sounded. Well, I just found out the article was a fake. Here’s the Snopes on it.

    http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/prophetjaden.asp

    I guess we’ll just have to go back to considering Jaden as just being arrogant, conceited, maladjusted and ignorant, instead of mentally ill.

    • Sarah James

      Done.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks. The original poster discovered the same, and made a separate post declaring it a fake and gave the snopes reference (it was taken from a satire), then deleted the original post.

      • Stacy

        Sorry. I missed it. Besides, I figured better safe than sorry.

        • Missionary Kid

          I don’t like misinformation floating around. I compliment you for taking the time to make sure that the story was accurate.

          I don’t usually put anything down about kids, and I give them a lot of leeway, but Jaden is the only kid who’s got his own list that I’ve made up here in the Bunker. He is really a deluded douche, and I blame his parents.

          • Stacy

            I do too. It’s sad what they’ve let those kids become.

    • April

      Well, I for one am relieved it was a fake.

      • Stacy

        Me too.

  • airbreathe

    I know how you feel. Every time I declare The Master to have been a terrible disappointment my comments are received by this community as blasphemous. So many of us wanted so badly for that film to be so great that some of us willfully deceive ourselves and still pretend it was. Personally, I would argue that the film wasn’t ready for release at all.

    I was among the first to see The Master in NYC, 3 weeks before its national release, surrounded by the most enthusiastic crowd you could imagine. As the film ended and the credits began to roll, there was dead silence in the audience. No applause, just an awkward tension in the air. Everyone was feeling the same thing. There was no denying it.

    • MaxSpaceman

      he blew it. it was an awfully poorly directed picture. with some wonderful acting in it. but the director would be better off in another field of work.

      • airbreathe

        Huh?

        Dude relax, I don’t take Disqus that seriously. I stick with the same account until I somehow get logged off from it and then I just create a new account. What’s the big deal? No nefarious intentions here.

        & Yes I quickly deleted — and then reposted — my comment because I had meant it to be a response to another commenter, but accidentally at first I posted it without “replying.” You interpret that as cowardly? Interesting.

        • Missionary Kid

          Realize that deleting and changing posts is a pattern that we’ve had here from trolls. Some of us are pretty sensitive about it. I try to put Edit on changes as a consequence.

    • Tony Ortega

      I’ve expressed numerous times my disappointment that Anderson didn’t
      follow his own script, which was breezy and hilarious. Sadly, it became
      too much about Joaquin Phoenix mugging for the camera. Definitely a
      disappointment.

      That said, Hoffman was great in his portrayal of Dodd (and he, at least, stuck pretty closely to the script).

      Some of us will always celebrate this film simply because it got made. In years earlier, it would never have happened.

      • Sherbet

        It was a good movie. Not a great movie, but it had its moments. Hoffman was, as usual, his chameleon self. Going to miss that talent. I’m not much of a fan of Anderson’s movies, because he seems to be making them for his own gratification and doesn’t always let the audience in on the story. My opinion. As I’ve said before, though, I loved Boogie Nights.

      • Narapoid

        Hoffman and the film were far too kind to “Dodd”. But he was great, wasn’t he?

        • Sherbet

          I can’t think of Hoffman without getting angry with him for dying like that.

          • Narapoid

            When I get to heaven, I’m gonna kick him in the ass.

            • Sherbet

              You do that, and tell him it’s from all of us.

            • Narapoid

              😉

    • Science Doc

      I on the other hand liked it very much. I went into it expecting an Anderson film (the one and not the other) that referenced scientology. I got two great performances of fantastical characters, one of them entirely fictional, the other less so, bouncing off of each other. After rereading Bare Faced Messiah after many years, the Dowd character and wife were much more like LRH and Mary Sue than I thought at the time. This could probably create tension for those who saw the similarities, because they were so similar that the differences might have been uncomfortable. That said I agree with Tony’s point that the amazing thing is that it got made at all.

    • Phil McKraken

      Completely agree. The movie’s main character, Quell, was both unlikable and very boring. Dodd and his cult were only superficially related to LRH and Sci. If the movie had been about the development of Dodd’s ideas and his skill at mass hypnotism and thought reform and at the same time show him to be a gibberish babbling lunatic who locked up little children in dismal dungeons just for kicks, that would have been something to see!

      • TonyOrtega

        Again, I’ll just point to the script which was much harsher on Scientology than what showed up in the film. I have a theory about that.

        • Phil McKraken

          Do tell. Do you think Cruise was at cause over MEST?

        • Science Doc

          Meskiman was in a couple of Anderson’s movies. Does that play here?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I found The Master pretentious and dull.

      So there.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Just three things. 1. It sucks that the judge wants Vance to pay the cult $90,000 after being ripped off by them. 2. Grant Cardone should be arrested for public endangerment (I mean throwing a lit firecracker into a neighborhood – his entire beingness is a public endangerment, but that is another matter) 3. That poor young woman looks tired and scared, I am very sorry not to be able to just rescue her right now.

  • Tony DePhillips

    Nice article Jeff. A true voice of reason.

  • Observer

    And now for something completely different.

    This make you think of anyone in particular?

    refresh

    • MaxSpaceman

      you can be so so bad, Obs. 😉

      • Observer

        Who, me?

    • Stacy

      Teeheehe. I’m having a lovely snicker over this. 🙂

    • Missionary Kid

      No, who could…? Oh, yeah.

    • Science Doc

      King Charles 1st lost his head.

    • niblet corn is always a good addition to a hearty meaty pie!!

    • Captain Howdy

      Poor Jeffery lived quite the life especially compared to the demented midget.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hudson#Slavery_and_redemption.2C_poverty_and_death

      • Sherbet

        Did you notice his nickname? “Lord Minimus”

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks, Sherb. I just added that to DM’s nicknames. There’s now 1430 of them. I’ll post them again this weekend.

          • Sherbet

            As a nickname for DM, it’s perfect. Using dwarves for amusement, not so cool.

            • Observer

              Agreed. I just desperately want to see Captain Miscavige presented to someone in a pie.

            • Juicer77

              Humble pie!!

            • Observer

              Cow pie.

            • Sherbet

              Cell Block #5?

        • Captain Howdy

          He was still more of a man than Miscavige could ever dream of being.

      • Observer

        He sounds like a person of courage and character–in other words, the polar opposite of Captain Miscavige.

        • Captain Howdy

          Yeah, Tyrion as opposed to Joffery.

  • Science Doc

    So, I was away for 5 or six hours. I tried to make sense of downthread. I guess we were visited by a tag team of either indies, UTRs, or some new Form of trolling. If the former two, I say welcome. If the latter, well it’s going to be slow going until it gets sorted out. I do think it is likely that all of the PR and self inflicted wounds might drive some under the radar types our way, and we might try to be welcoming on a first pass. And yes, Marty’s blog is a better fit for some people.

    • It IS thursday….last minute stat rush?

      • Shelly Britt Corrias

        I suspect so, at least on the first one Norbie who disappeared right around 2pm UK time, IIRC.

        • Well, while they were trying to make their stats, I hope some seeds of doubt were planted in them!!

        • Juicer77

          Norbie’s been here a few times, not always on Thursday. Poor thing must chained to a computer somewhere in the bowels of Flag.

          • Science Doc

            Norbie is a parody of a troll. Really, really weak. I’ve been expecting something more proportionate to the movie, book, and other news this month.

            • Juicer77

              See comment above. Tag, you’re it!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I do think there will be more and more UTRs and Indies who come our way — I think it is better to be kind and compassionate (since they have not experienced that kind of treatment for so many years, maybe decades) as they find their way out. Remember Tory Magoo said that is why she left – because she saw kindness when she had been led to believe that all critics were just plain mean.

      • beauty for ashes

        Good reminder. Love Tory! I remember watching all her videos on Xenu TV. She was very fortunate to have the support she did. It makes a difference!

      • Narapoid

        You said it Free Minds. But boy, it is tempting to get snarky with a troll sometimes. But the ones that come on now… well, boring is the word. “I know you are but what am I”. And of course, weak insistence that we are paid by big pharma. They are starting to awaken.

        They may not want to, but they are coming around slowly.

    • Juicer77

      I believe the kinder approach may be more effective. So far their efforts are pretty lackluster and easily countered. They’ve got to be tired and hungry and depressed, poor things.

      • Science Doc

        Papa Johns pizza will only carry you so far, even if you hide the crusts and garlic sauces in your bunk.

  • Sarah James

    I don’t understand Judge Johnson. Vance wants his money back. Give him back his money.

    • Juicer77

      Sounds like Mr. Woodward muddied the legal water too much by combining his refund request with religious complaint issues. Overall I agree he is entitled to a refund, but the court could not separate the two issues cleanly, and so threw the whole case out. Lawyer-types please correct me if I’m wrong.

      • Jenstnick

        I think Vance needs to hire an attorney. I’m sure he’s a damn fine lawyer, but there’s too much emotion involved so he needs a neutral party to represent him.

  • NOLAGirl

    A tweet I thought the Bunker would appreciate. 🙂

    https://twitter.com/iremuu/status/553246500449312768

    • Missionary Kid

      The same could be said to Co$.

  • Great guidelines Mr. Hawkins boy do I still have some growing to do, and filters to remove. Thank you !Hubbard wrote that one of the Characteristics of an “SP” Suppressive Person is they use GENERALATIES !!! Isn’t saying ” ALL Psychiatrists are BAD ” – ” Gay people are on the tone scale at 1.1 Covert Hostility ” ” Journalists are Merchants of Chaos ” Aren’t these generalities themselves ? I’d say so !

    • Juicer77

      We all have growing to do. Never stop growing 🙂 I wish for more growth in my smarts and less in my waistline. LOL

    • NOLAGirl

      All part of your journey Ginger. We’re fortunate that you share it with us. 🙂

      • The Dude

        I saw this in the news and said,”I know that dog!”.
        http://m.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-30726270

        • Sherbet

          Hey, Dude — is it colder than a well-digger’s, um, big toe where you are?

          • The Dude

            Yep. And my car broke down last night on the way home. I spent 20 min in the cold frezzing my butt off. Till s cop got there. In my whole life i was never so happy to see a state trooper. I asked HIM if I could get in back. That does not happen to the dude very often.

            • Sherbet

              Poor Dude. You must have been desperate.

            • The Dude

              Last time I was in the back of a troopers car was 1996. And it was under much different circumstances . I can assure you!

            • The Dude

              I had promised myself I would never end up in the back of a cruiser again. I don’t think that one quite qualifies. LOL

            • Sherbet

              No, you get a pass for this.

      • Awe how sweet ! Thank you

      • Thank you

    • pluvo

      “Aren’t these generalities themselves ?”

      Absolutely. These generalities (which he damned) were puzzling for me when in the cult. The cognitive dissonance and kool-aid addiction took care of it. Jeff Hawkins with his blog helped me a lot. It was one step of deprogramming myself and weaning off from the kool-aid.

      • Congratulations for making it out !!!

        • pluvo

          Thank you, Ginger! Keep going. 🙂
          There were so many contradictions interwoven and combined with “Thou shalt not speak nor think bad about The Source!” (and thoughtcrime getting punished by the Thought Police (‘Ethics’) as in Orwell’s “1984” ), there was mind-freeze galore.

          Jefferson Hawkins’ blog is one of the best blogs to unravel the mind-f**k, IMO.
          https://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/

          • Yes, Hawkins has great writings. Very helpful. WELCOME to SP land pluvo

          • It takes time depending on how many years the person was mind-f**ked by $cientology. Glad you found that site to help you with it all. There is another site I recommend by Arnie Lerma called Lermanet.com check that one out too if you wish.

  • Juicer77

    Has anyone heard from Richelieu? 🙁

    • Stacy

      He must’ve been here last night (night for me), because he accidentally upvoted and replied to one of my comments from a few days ago; however, he thought he was replying to 1sub_genius.

      This is the only time I’ve seen him for a while.

    • BFM

      I am quite sure he is pre-occupied with the events in France. I called some friends over there, one in Paris whom I visited just a month ago. She describes the overall scene in France as one of national grievance but also national unity …. she said, everybody at the moment is absorbed by the events there. I am sure he will be returning to the bunker soon.

  • Juicer77

    This is a no-no. Disney is the only company more vicious than the Co$ at copyright protection. http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cls/4836143356.html

    • Stacy

      I think they subtly changed it enough to get away with it. But maybe not. Disney’s a stickler on that stuff.

      One of the teams from that flyer at Rinders today (Nancy-Bart is on the Rockstar Goddesses) also did this. They stole the trademarked Moneybags character from Monopoly, but it looks like they subtly changed it just enough to get away with it. Sneaky bastards.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        That is Uncle Pennybags. He is a fiercely guarded copyrighted character, owned by Parker Brothers.

        Fun fact: He has appeared in a slightly disguised form alongside Mr. Burns on episodes of The Simpsons.

        (refresh)

    • I did a google image search and it appears to be an image/icon used by some people online. I think Disney would have an issue in this case because it wasn’t changed enough and because it’s being used as a front for a paid service….it’s different if you use something where no money is involved……of course look at the movie logo copyright’s scieno violate all the time…or scenes from movies, etc….they don’t care….

      but i would love for the south park mickey mouse “mr. mouse” to go kick niblet’s ass!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It is a copyrighted character from Disney and by Disney.

  • nottrue

    I hope Vance will be OK. I really enjoyed the trip through the book of Dianetics with him.

  • Observer

    Attention Lurking Scientology Operatives: I have found some information that may be of great benefit to your boss. Kindly pass it along.

    http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

    • Science Doc

      As I’ve said before, it won’t shield unless it’s grounded. Copper rods are best. Hammered into the earth salted with copper sulfate.

      • Observer

        Perhaps you should read the testimonials. There are many completely satisfied users.

        • Science Doc

          Could it possibly be a placebo effect? Could those people be paranoid and not subject to actual radio mind control?

          • Observer

            Sir! Are you impugning the expertise of the fabricator and the author of the site?

            refresh

            • Science Doc

              I’m going to suggest going in the opposite direction. Take an itty bitty piece of aluminum foil, the size of a head of a pin. Superglue it to your scalp and TA-DA. Homeopathic tin foil hat!

    • Mark

      I prefer a Faraday cage myself… (refresh)

    • Lucille Austero

      Oh shite! I’m laughing so hard my knickers are in danger! This is fantastic!

    • I’m glad he warns us about buying a commercially made hat, I was going to buy mine on ebay.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The COB keeps his brain waves intact AND enjoys a tasty snack, as well…

      (Refresh!)

  • nottrue
    • Science Doc

      March 16 is much earlier than I expected. It will probably get a minimal theatrical run in February for award qualification and then straight to HBO. I think their plan is get buzz at Sundance and then build on it for ratings. This is good. His earlier docs have had modest theatrical box offices, and Taxi to the Darkside had trouble even getting a release. A lot of people will watch it on HBO.

      • Science Doc

        Replying to my own comment. Maybe they won’t release it theatrically and plan to submit it for an Emmy?

        • Stacy

          I hope they release it theatrically and that it plays somewhere near me so I can go see it. Then I’ll watch it again on HBO.

      • Vaquera

        According to Poison Ivy, the doc needs only 10 theater days in both NYC and LA for award qualification.

    • Ruby

      3 days after Hubbard’s birthday.

  • Verve

    Mr. Hawkins, you just described a worthwhile life in the real world. Us never-ins have taken all those points for granted our entire lives. It’s time for those who are still in to breathe the fresh air.

    Miss Maessen- Take a week off, go party with some fun people, and never look back. You are wasting your young life in this nonsense; there are a million other things (most of which I can’t explicitly describe legally) you could be doing that are way way way more fruitful and fun than regging people for 20 hours a day. Just get out and meet some people to party with. Doesn’t even have to be anything crazy- just watch Monty Python movies with a bowl of popcorn! Life outside of $ci is limitless- you can try anything you want (as long as it’s legal), and you’ll be fine. Want to ice skate with a puppy? I’ve seen many puppies having fun ice skating (well, more like slipping around, but yes, really, they’re having fun, lol.) Life can be scary out here, but you can also find people to support you, rather than try to tear you down as $ci does.

    And we have monkeys. 😀

    • The Dude

      I want a monkey!

      • Stacy

        And I want a miniature elephant. Think we’ll ever get our hearts desires?

        • The Dude

          You get me a monkey and I will find you a mini elephant. Gawdammit!

          • Stacy

            As far as I know there’s no such thing as a mini elephant. I just think it would be so cool if you could shrink an elephant and have one as a pet. I’ll probably have better luck getting you a monkey. Any particular kind?

            • The Dude

              Orangutan. (Yes I know that is Juliette Lewis’s Dad, I like him as an actor anyway)

              refresh.

            • Stacy

              What about this little guy?

            • The Dude

              Aww. OK!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have an great affection for elephants.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy_elephant

              I think pygmy elephants (actually I would call them tea cup elephants ) would be a great designer pet.

              EVERYONE wants an elephant

        • beauty for ashes

          I want a full size African Elephant! And a King Charles Cavalier spaniel, so soft and sweet! but I will totally take the puppy if I have a choice. (lists mentally all the animals wanted~ continues for hours)

          • Stacy

            A pet squirrel is on my list. I have a huge, squishy soft spot for squirrels.

            • Jenny Daniels

              Stacy, sadly there were at one time miniature elephants referred to as Pygmy elephants, but they are extinct.

            • Stacy

              I recall hearing about them vaguely. I’m going to have to go look them up. I don’t think they were as small as the mini-elephant I picture in my mind is.

            • beauty for ashes

              aaahh cuteness challenge! I see your squirrel and raise you a prairie dog..

              see evidence only 2 min. guaranteed happy!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJX00zk9mpg

            • Stacy

              Hey, you cheated! Bringing in a video to provide cuteness visuals! So not fair! 😉
              Prairie dogs are adorable. I love the way they hold their tiny paws. 😀

            • beauty for ashes

              I know! totally cheated. Prairie dogs and cats coexisting! I bet even Tony would giggle a little!

            • Frodis73

              Years and years ago, a pet store near me had prairie dogs! They are soooo incredibly cute and awesome. I would love one some day. Great video. Cuteness OD.

            • beauty for ashes

              Okay new plan, watch the fall of scientology, infiltrate a ryan murphy set, then set up a prairie dog colony petting zoo. Are you in or are you out?

            • LeahRocks

              MUST. HAVE. ONE!

            • I want a pet Meerkat so bad.

            • Look how teeny weeny he is. Now I have to go heresay prairie dogs.

        • Since we are putting in our orders I want a pet tiger, a ton of Meerkats and a snow leopard.

    • The Dude

      Jeff Hawkins is like a rock star to me. Like being able to be one on one with Bukowski or Hemingway. His prose is fantastic.

    • beauty for ashes

      MIss Maessen,
      Its not up to me to tell you how you want to live. How do you want to live, in your wildest dreams? And from where you are now, how much of that could you achieve or experience? What did you immediately say no to? Is that really okay with you? Do you feel like you can even ask yourself these questions?
      What is spiritual freedom?

      • Verve

        Dang, you said it way better than I did. You have the verbal skills.

        • beauty for ashes

          I totally copied you! Thank you for the compliment though, I will totally take that one!

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Hey Indies, just read Jefferson’s 12 steps over and over until they make sense. You’re so close to true freedom. Remove the last vestiges of Ron-think. Really try to see that you could have improved yourself and had “wins” from numerous other avenues, none of which have ever fostered the level if egomania and corruption brought upon this world by Uncle Ron.

    Whaaaaaaa!!!!! Us meanies at the Bunker have nothing good to say about Hubbard. Well, duh. It would be an empty comments section.

    I made the mistake of reading a few comments at Rinder’s again. Those Indies over there still fascinated with Hubbard and the “good” parts of the Tech are more pathetic than those still in and under the spell. Sometimes I can’t help myself and inevitably end up pissed off. Hubbard was SO BAD and SO EVIL and such a lying, conniving, paranoid individual, why would anyone in their right and free mind want to promote ANY part of it? Gaaarrrggghhh. Someone slap me next time.

    • It never ceases to amaze me how deluded people can be. Scientology is so viciously evil and so is Hubbard and yet people still want to cling to it because they fear change.

      • The Dude

        Are you the Derek that was born-in? If so, I read your article. Well done.

        • Practically yes. That’s me, the one and only Derek. Thanks man.

          • The Dude

            Damn brave of you. But someone has to tell those stories. I think I read your story on ESK years ago. It seemed familiar to me when I read it from a link here on the bunker a couple of months back.

      • Stacy

        That’s it, EXACTLY, Derek. Change can be a very scary thing. Especially if you think what’s out there waiting for you is worse than what you’re currently experiencing. 🙁

        • The Dude

          The devil you don’t know…

      • Jenny Daniels

        Derek, could you please post the link to your article?

      • M from Toronto

        Fantastic the way you put that, Derek. Like the miserable couple in the horrible marriage (that’s killing them bit by bit) it’s ‘what they know’ so they stick with it. Going it on your own, deciding for yourself is scary, because, hey, it’s all up to you; but that’s the awesome thing.
        Of course, you know that! ;))

    • The Dude

      It is amazing that there are so many people that have that “dark charisma”. People are drawn to them. No matter how evil they are. Anton LeVey, Chuck Manson, Hubbard, Jim Jones. And they always seem to be ugly. I mean fell-out-the-ugly-tree-hittin-every-branch-on-the-way-down, ugly. How is that?

      • Stacy

        I wonder whether the evil matters at all. It may just be the first charismatic leader-type person who passed these people by. If they were looking for someone to follow, they may have been swept up by either good or bad. By chance they could’ve ended up following a Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., or an L Ron Hubbard.

        What do you think?

        • The Dude

          I don’t know. I grew up as a metalhead-punk rocker. There were some anti-social types I hung with. I like those type of people, I can live vicariously through them. I am not that type. I am too polite(that is not a fault). I have found that some people seek out the evil,dark parts of the world and are drawn to that type of personality. Others, that are seekers. Lost in the world, if you will. Are drawn to it from lack of direction in life. I have always had my own opinion. Much to my friend’s chagrin. About music, life, religion, politics and any other thing you want to argue about.

          • Stacy

            You’re such a strong personality, I can’t see you looking for someone to lead you into anything, or to be swept up into some movement that would possibly curb your individuality.

            I’ve seen people like you mention, the ones who seem to be actively looking for evil. But I still wonder if most of the followers of evil people were just swept up in the movement; that it was just bad timing. If only a good charismatic leader had walked by instead, the person (obviously looking for something to follow) would’ve been swept up into a positive movement instead. They’re going to be swept up, because that’s what they’re looking for. I don’t know.

            • The Dude

              Thank you, Stacy. That is one of the best compliments I have had for a long time. And you don’t even know me. I have my problems, I know. But I always have myself to bring me out of it. My Mom taught me to be independent and it was her bane later. I left home after High School to be a Chef. Took a job in Fla. at 19. Been on my own since. I have traveled, loved ,lost and most of all, LIVED. I came back to the city I love and started a family, a little late. I always have been. And here I am. The Dude.

            • Stacy

              Lol, definitely THE Dude. 🙂

              You’re very welcome. True, I only know you through these posts, but your personality comes through very strongly. Which is a good thing. Sounds like you’ve been living an interesting life. Good for you.

              I’ve seen you comment on being a chef before (and making people hungry). Do you do any baking? I can cook, but I don’t have a passion for it like I do for baking.

            • The Dude

              I love to bake bread. My old roommate taught me in Maine at a summer camp(I was hired to be the baker) when I was 23. It has become like a Zen thing to me now. The way it grows. The connection with life. Bread is life. Sourdough is my passion. I can make soft pretzels that will make you cry.
              Yes. I can bake.

            • If anyone wants to step into bread making gradually, the easiest way to grab a ball of chilled “pizza dough” in the baking section of your supermarket. (It’s their leftover bread dough, so you’re good.)

              Let it warm. then knead and fold in some diced apples, raisins and cinnamon, let it rise a bit, slap it in a pan or not, stick it in the oven. After that, experiment!

            • Missionary Kid

              One of the things that will keep a discussion going here OT is food. This comment section is filled with philosophy, animals, and food.

              I still remember some sourdough pancakes I had somewhere south of San Francisco on the peninsula 45 years ago.

            • I still remember the IHoP “cornmeal pancakes” where some idiot opened a can of nibblets and dumped it into the batter.

              But that was long ago, and far away, and the cook .. probably has another job .. I still wish I’d barged into the kitchen and asked “What were you thinking?!

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m lucky I didn’t see that commercial. Stupid.

            • Commercial?

            • Missionary Kid

              Oh, I see it was a joke? I assumed it was a part of some sort of commercial.

            • No, it happened. Someone in the kitchen added corn to the pancake batter rather than cornmeal.

            • Missionary Kid

              Holy shit! What it says to me is that they didn’t really have a cook in the kitchen.

            • Stacy

              I’ve never made soft pretzels, though I love them, so I’m absolutely sure yours would make me weep. I’ve not tried bread yet, though I really need to. I have a breadmaker. From my dad. He loved to make bread, and he made great bread.
              My Zen baking involves cookies, generally. Any and every kind. I can literally bake just about any kind of confection, though cookies are my favorite for some reason.

          • Missionary Kid

            IMO, it’s a lust for power. They feel that they can get power out of the evil. To them, it’s easy to follow the malevolence because they feel repressed or put upon. To me, it’s often a reaction to a feeling of helplessness.

            In the same way, you will see people calling on Jesus, or Allah to give them power.

            They summon up dragons and monsters and avatars that have power in their minds to overcome the weaknesses that we all have. You’ll notice that they love the symbols that arouse reactions in other people.

            When I met Alice Cooper, (we’re both missionary kids- his parents were missionaries to the native americans in Arizona) one of the things that we discussed (but I didn’t let on that my atheist opinion was actually far different than his, as a born-again) was that often young people have no idea of the power of the symbols that they employ. I believe that he meant that they are symbols of evil and of the devil. I meant that the only real power that those symbols have is in the reaction from “straights”, if I may use a somewhat outmoded term, and their shock value, which causes people to recoil and give them a wide berth.

            Particularly with hormones raging, heavy metal gets people feeling “fuck, yeah, that’s it, that’s how I feel.” What they don’t realize is that every teenager feels disaffected and alienated to some degree. I believe that we are all imprinted with the music of our youth. It speaks to what our feelings were at the time, and we remember those feelings with the music. Food memories also summon up emotions.

            Hubbard used that desire for power that people had to lure them in. Sometimes, it was the power to make the world a better place, sometimes it was supernatural power over MEST. It’s all illusion.

            To me, it’s all illusion, because the one thing that we do have control over is ourselves. One of the things that the military taught me is that I had much more physical abilities than I had before. Our minds often limit us in what we think we can do. Our powers are not infinite, just more than we think we have. Hubbard convinced people that those powers were were unlimited, if you followed his recipe.

            By conjuring up a spirit world in people’s minds, LaVey and followers try to summon up those imaginary powers. To me, it’s all mind games. My personal definition of evil is what is destructive to a person and others, as well as mankind.

            If I took more time, I could clean this up and it would make more sense.

            • The Dude

              Perfect sense to me. Bravo!

            • The Dude

              Wait. I did not know that Alice was “Born Again”?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. I didn’t recognize him, but my buddy did at an In-N-Out. I knew that he was a PK (Preacher’s Kid) so I walked up and said, “Excuse me, are you a PK?”

              I knew that it was not an approach he was used to, and he immediately answered that he was not only a PK, but an MK. His wife chimed in that she was also a PK.

              I knew that he’d gotten saved as a part of the process of kicking drugs and alcohol. I don’t know how long he’s been sober, but it’s been for years. His new addiction, I’ve heard, is golf, and he’s supposedly a good player, but we didn’t discuss that.

              All three of us ended up talking about mutual experiences. They were nice people.

              As I’ve said before, being a PK or an MK is a very exclusive fraternity/sorority. There are experiences that are unique. It’s like being a military brat, (because you may often have to move) but the group is much smaller, and the pressure to conform and the examination of your life by a congregation can be intense.

              I stayed away from the whole thing about being saved and religion. I just let him assume what my beliefs were.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              (Did I ever mention that I am a PK?)

            • Missionary Kid

              Sonofagun! Another one. I was lucky in that my dad didn’t act as a pastor for most of the time when I was growing up in L.A., but he did participate as a deacon and supported the pastor.

              When I was younger, we traveled around while he spoke at a lot of different churches while he spoke, so I got to see a lot of different PKs in my denomination.

              It really is an exclusive club, because you’ve got to be born into it.

            • The Dude

              One follows or one leads. I stand alone. Follow me at your own peril. I am The Dude!

      • Missionary Kid

        From what I’ve heard, LeVey wasn’t so evil, he just worshipped Satan as a matter of attention-grabbing more than anything else. His goal was to poke fun at religion and promote the occult.He didn’t kill anyone, did he? Edit: I took out the repetition.

        • The Dude

          No. I just used him because I had a friend that was obsessed with that man’s writings. It annoyed me and I still have a sore spot there for Anton. Because his “so-called” satire of religion, was taken seriously by a number of my teenage friends. My wife just told me that Metalheads in Brazil still follow his teachings. If that is not Evil…..What?

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s more stupid than anything.

        • The Dude

          Hubbard never killed anyone either?

          • Missionary Kid

            Hubbard didn’t directly kill people, AFAIK, but he caused a lot of deaths with his theories and his efforts at fair game and his teachings and his general neglect of his followers. Suicides have followed the cult.

            • The Dude

              Yeah. I get that, but Hubbard never killed anyone. Chuck manson never killed anyone. Jim Jones never killed anyone(they killed themselves). They inspire death. They control. That is evil.
              I have learned over the years how to control people. It is easy, if you are smart. I choose to let people make mistakes to learn from them. I watch and learn again from their mistakes.
              I could be one of those evil people very easily. I don’t want that. To much stress.

            • Missionary Kid

              Excellent points.

              I like to have people learn. As a parent, the decision that was always on my mind was, “At what point did I let my child take the consequences of their actions so they learn from their mistakes?”

            • ORACLE. Well, exercise it. Do you need an oracle to tell you that?

              NAPOLEON. Wait. This talent involves the shedding of human blood.

              THE ORACLE. Are you a surgeon, or a dentist?

              NAPOLEON. Psha! You do not appreciate me, madam. I mean the shedding of oceans of blood, the death of millions of men.

              THE ORACLE. They object, I suppose.

              NAPOLEON. Not at all. They adore me.

              THE ORACLE. Indeed!

              NAPOLEON. I have never shed blood with my own hand. They kill each other: they die with shouts of triumph on their lips. Those who die cursing do not curse me. My talent is to organize this slaughter; to give mankind this terrible joy which they call glory; to let loose the devil in them that peace has bound in chains.

              THE ORACLE. And you? Do you share their joy?

              NAPOLEON. Not at all. What satisfaction is it to me to see one fool pierce the entrails of another with a bayonet? I am a man of princely character, but of simple personal tastes and habits. I have the virtues of a laborer: industry and indifference to personal comfort. But I must rule, because I am so superior to other men that it is intolerable to me to be misruled by them. Yet only as a slayer can I become a ruler. I cannot be great as a writer: I have tried and failed. I have no talent as a sculptor or painter; and as lawyer, preacher, doctor, or actor, scores of second-rate men can do as well as I, or better. I am not even a diplomatist: I can only play my trump card of force. What I can do is to organize war. Look at me! I seem a man like other men, because nine-tenths of me is common humanity. But the other tenth is a faculty for seeing things as they are that no other man possesses.

              G. B. Shaw, Back to Methuselah.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Too many suspicious deaths with strange similar mo’s. Suicides of critics has been all too common according to someone who was in.

    • Lucille Austero

      Sing it, brother, sing it!

    • aegerprimo

      I often read Rinder’s blog but mostly avoid the comments section because they make me go Gaaarrrggghhh as well. After I read books like “Bare-Faced Messiah” there was no doubt in my mind that Scientology is a scam and L Ron Hubbard was a con.
      Slap me too! LOL.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        After seeing your real pictures, I’m loving the avatar.

        • aegerprimo

          IRL I’m a surgical nurse and wear a surgical mask everyday in the OR.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I love it! Emo Dave is fantastic.

      • beauty for ashes

        I prefer Nixon Dave, but am grateful Hipster Dave was not a choice!

      • The Dude

        Hitler hair-do. Eech!

  • outraged

    wow, comments in the thousands again. 2015 is the Year Of THe Downfall!!!

  • Lady Squash

    Thank you Jeff for the “Scientology Lessons” write-up. Each lesson is something I have experienced as part of my awakening. The point about emotions was one of the hardest for me to undo: “If you try to suppress your so-called “lower” emotions, you may end up being unable to feel anything.” And that was me. I couldn’t feel much of anything. Now every time I cry at a movie or while reading a book, I am grateful.

    • Stacy

      That’s a great success story, Lay Squash. Much better, and more genuine, than the ones you were forced to tell in CoS.

      Being able to experience the full range of emotions is a wonder. I couldn’t imagine being told feeling any kind of emotion was wrong. You exes have had a lot to triumph over.

      Your last words, “I am grateful.” Grateful is another emotion LRH left off the tone scale. No wonder scientologists are so arrogant and never say thank you to anyone (except LRH and COB, and that’s more like worship) for anything. It’s wonderful that you feel gratitude and every other emotion again.

      Thanks for sharing this Lady. 🙂

      • Lady Squash

        Thank you Stacy. What made it even worse was that no one came out and said you should or shouldn’t feel this way. It happened slowly, like in a science experiment where you put a frog in cold water and slowly turn up the heat. The frog won’t even notice it’s being cooked.
        It went something like this: Negative emotions were called “entheta” and referred to as “case”. Once you bought that negative emotions (apathy, grief, fear, anger) were “entheta”, they had ya. “Entheta” meant you had “case”, and “case” was undesirable and something one needed to get rid of and the way you got rid of it was to go into session and the only person you should talk about your “case” with was your Case Supervisor. And once you talked to your Case Superivor, then you went to the Registrar and the Registrar pressured you aggressively to buy auditing so you could get rid of your “case”.
        So admitting to negative feelings led to indebtedness, so one learns to divorce oneself from them.
        Did that make sense? Probably not. But that’s how Scientologists think without realizing that that is what they are thinking. I feel crazy just remembering that that was the way it was.

        • Stacy

          Actually, you explained it very clearly, so yes, it makes perfect sense.

          Try not to think about the crazy part. You weren’t crazy. Scientology is. I’m one who think it’s designed to be crazy, deliberately. All part of getting you trapped deeply.

          Thanks again for sharing your story, Lady. It adds more pieces to the crazy puzzle that is CoS.

    • Illinoisian

      “Now every time I cry at a movie or while reading a book, I am grateful.”
      Long pause for thought after I read this. So often, feel a little silly when this happens — but I won’t anymore.

  • BFM

    Hello Bunker friends. Read through most of the comments. You guys never leave any meat to the bone if one arrives late, all has been said 😉

    I will be reading the book: Leaving Scientology as I have not read that one yet. Jefferson Hawkins always offers me perspectives that are very beneficial.

    • Stacy

      The good points are always worth repeating, BFM. And they’re never exactly the same. So there’s always something new to even very similar comments. I think so anyway. Individual perspective always adds something unique.

      • BFM

        You are right Stacy, what I was trying to say is that I won’t be commenting too much of what has been said already…because of a lack of sleep (ok, i didn’t say any of this but that was in my mind). I feel exhausted, talked a lot on the phone today with friends in France. And I had a busy day at my business. My accountant chose the wrong time to drop by for a meeting. Anyway…been a rough 48 hours.

        • Stacy

          It sounds like it. Hugs and sympathetic pats on the back.
          I’m sure your friends in France were much comforted by your calls and kind support. It’s still emotionally draining (as was yesterday for most of us). So try and get a good night’s sleep tonight.
          *More hugs for you* Take care.

          • BFM

            Thank you sunshine :)!

            • Stacy

              Anytime! 🙂

            • BFM

              I gave my self another half an hour and then I should be in bed.
              Thank you for you love and care, means a lot to me.

            • Stacy

              You’re a wonderful, sweet woman who deserves a little love.
              Plus we gotta keep you in shape for dealing with CoS in the courts. Support is a must!

              Again, anytime, BFM. Lotsa hugs and love being sent your way. 🙂

            • BFM

              Thanks stacy:) My court-case is scheduled for the end of January (judge wants opinion of child protection after hearing them privately). One thing though…. I am all you say except for the woman part. All though i have been told i am quite in touch with the feminine side of myself 😀

            • Stacy

              Lol, whoops! Talk about embarrassing assumptions. When I first ran across your comments, you were talking about fighting to get your kids back. I assumed you were a woman. Sheesh! And I pride myself on being a feminist and not being bigoted. How bigoted was that assumption? I’m going to have to let my feminist side kick the ass of my bigoted side.

              Alright, let’s rephrase that for correct identities! You’re a wonderful, sweet man, who deserves love and support. 😉

              Groan! I’m going to be kicking myself in the butt for this one for a while…

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              And I’ll be right behind to rub it in for a while. 😉 Welcome to your first footbullet. We all do it once in a while.

            • Stacy

              Lol, way more than my first foot bullet. And please, definitely follow behind me and remind me from time to time. A little humility is always helpful. 😉

            • BFM

              Don’t be so harsh on yourself Stacy, we talk here without the visuals. Basically individual to individual. And at that time I didn’t want OSA to jump on everything I was saying here…so I kept as much as I could “anonymous”.

              But the little buggers managed to connect the dots, my computer was hacked and apparently someone was searching data in my email directories etc.. I am not a computer wizard, but I have a co-worker as part of my staff in my company who is.

              Apparently OSA was looking for ANYTING incriminating and specifically for docs/correspondence with my Lawyer. I guess they wanted a heads up for the case for my EX. But they got nothing, I don’t discuss anything that pertains to the content of my case through mail… so they just got emails about scheduled meetings… they sadly did get my active mails to my many still in family and friends….. anyway… wont go to much into that.

              It’s important to understand that at least 75% of the surroundings of my children is Sci./connected to Sci.., which makes things real complicated. But I am NOT standing down. OSA, my EX and other still in kool aid drinking family and friends know this.

            • daytoncapri

              They hack pcs, yes they do. Thank you for your courage.

            • BFM

              Yep, they do. Assholes. I do what I can, thanks for you kind comment.

            • The Dude

              One word. Ubuntu. Linux. Very secure. They cannot hack, what they cannot see.
              I would suggest a “live cd” from Puppy Linux. You can boot from ram and run the whole operating system without starting the hard drive. Meaning you can really be “anonymous”.

            • BFM

              Yeah, my software guy installed some pro stuff on my personal internet connection. I am not that educated in these computer wizard things but he ensured me this would be impossible to hack.

            • Stacy

              I’m so impressed with your courage in standing up to CoS in the courts. I don’t suppose there’s any way to trace the hacking of your files back to them? That wouldn’t look good in the custody hearings. Not to mention you could then file criminal charges against them. The bastards really need to be taken down a peg. They all too often get away with crimes, as you know from personal experience! Grr! This really pisses me off!
              I’m not being that hard on myself. Honestly. Mostly I feel chagrined. But if I make a mistake, I like to admit it and make up for it. And the bad part here is that made such a stereotypical chauvinistic assumption. For which I apologize to all men and women. So now I move on from it, having learned something (I hope). 😉

            • BFM

              I thank you for you and others cheering me on. After talking to Lori, I realized waiting or hoping things will settle out by themselves wouldn’t work, nor would it be a good idea to accept any deal. So I am doing what I feel is absolutely necessary to give my children a fair chance of not getting ensnared by this life-sucking cult.
              My computer guy tells me it would only be possible if a whole of organizations (including private parties) would cooperate…. and on top of that, I don’t have concrete evidence the hack was connected to the cherch (they probably hired someone without any easy trail to them) . So I don’t want to waste my effort in pursuing something that will be hard to prove and it would require a whole lot to bring the cult into this. But I have changed all my accounts and passwords and have installed a very high level of security software that I use in my business for years (but never installed on my private web connections). So that should be fine now, and I heard they didn’t do a lot with the emails and correspondence I had with the UTR’s (it is even possible they didn’t manage to get those — my computer expert says there is no credible way of determine what they got and what not).
              Well, as far as your mistake is concerned, I have made some too along those same lines.. misjudging sexes, ages, ex’es, never ins.
              At some level I also understand why you made the mistake, mostly dads (but not all) are somewhat out of the picture when it comes to raising children… in my case things have been quite different. I am very proud of children for saying “no” to the urging they get to disconnect from me. I know how much explicit and covert coercion they have to endure to maintain that decision. I hope they can hold that. Meanwhile this court case is to let all involved know I will fight back and I still have 2 newspapers wiling to cover my story should I need media attention.
              At the same time I have to be careful for the sake of my children….. as I said, at least 75% or even more of the immediate family and friends they know all of their lives are Sci, or sci UTRS etc. All in all, its hard to follow and all-in strategy.
              Anyway, you are forgiven your mistake. Big hug to you! xo

            • Stacy

              Too bad about not being able to prove CoS was behind the hack. I don’t think that would’ve gone over well with the judge.
              I’m proud of your kids too. I don’t know how old they are, but facing up to that kind of pressure…that’s impressive. It’s tough for even adults to do. That says a lot about you; the lengths they’re willing to go to keep you in their lives. If I believed in a religion or god, I’d pray for your success, but since I don’t, just know I’m thinking about you and your case, I’m sending positive thoughts your way, and I’m postulating your success.
              Hugs right back at you. Hang in there. I really think we’re going to see big changes in how the world deals with CoS this year. They’re in for a rude awakening. And that can only be good for all of you suffering from disconnection. Soon. Very soon.

            • beauty for ashes

              I am literally always confused over everyone’s gender identity! You’re a girl right? Me too!

            • Stacy

              Lol, yes, I’m a girl. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Be kind to yourself. We’ve all done it, as L. Wrong put it.

            • beauty for ashes

              I was completely sure you were in your early twenties, (Kid) until I looked at your avatar and saw you listed your age. Then I was impressed.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. Thanks. I turn 70 sometime this month. I’ve got the scars to prove it (emotional and physical).

            • Stacy

              I know. I like to admit my mistakes, make up for them, and move on. Maybe the really bad mistake here was being so prideful in my feminist outlook that I thought I couldn’t make such a mistake. Snort. Obviously I can.

            • The Dude

              Guys fight for their kids too.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Sadly, they often kick them to the curb when they start their new life with their trophy wife. I’ve seen it happen in others people life and it happened in mine.

            • Stacy

              Exactly. That’s why it’s soooo embarrassing to make such a stereotyped assumption. Bad me! 🙁

            • The Dude

              I knew. You all Man,man!

            • The Dude

              “Female Fighter Pilot” Nudge nudge. Wink, wink. Say no more!

        • beauty for ashes

          I thought you could use a new avi to cheer you up! found it on Google images! (refresh)

          • BFM

            Aaahwwwwwwww <33333 I am sold! Thanks beauty… this certainly cheers me up!

            • beauty for ashes

              Looks adorable! I couldn’t remember why, but I remember something going wrong with your account or switching. Anyway I wondered what I would find if I googled blue fuzzy monster. I didn’t think it was going to work, until I saw this little guy! He just looks like he’s about to march into your arms!

            • BFM

              You somehow got exactly what I would have chosen. It’s adorable!

      • Sometimes people repeat too much.

        • Stacy

          Ok, true. you got me there.
          Did you see Sherbet was looking for you?

    • M from Toronto

      I hate that too, BFM. On another note, your new avi courtesy @beauty for ashes is quite the bees knees.
      Hug from me too.

      • beauty for ashes

        The kid is uber cute, no? I just discovered Google images. (yeah me!) so no credit.
        Your avi looks familiar, have you not been here for awhile?

        • M from Toronto

          That kid has adorbs down to a science!
          Beauty, I’m around, but I sympathize with BFM; I see folks have put what I’d contribute much more fluidly than I would have, so I rarely have anything worthwhile to add. (I’ve been largely lurking since the Bunker was born, I came over from the Rodeo.) Think of me as that gal peeking over your shoulder whilst you read the paper on the subway, who grins guiltily when you catch her doing it… and that comparison was rather creepier than I intended!

  • aquaclara

    I am so sorry Vance lost his case. I admire his work and love that he took this on. Wish that he could get his money back from the Scientology master thug. It should have had a better outcome.

    Sending you good wishes, Vance. Don’t let the turkeys get you down. You have already won.

    • BFM

      Yes, I feel sorry for him too aquaclara. I wish the judge had made a different decision. But seen the legalities involved I am afraid this was a predictable outcome.
      His efforts wont go in vain though, next person asking their money back will learn from the mistakes made by Vance.

      I hope he finds another way to appeal and reduce his case to the central point of the churches written policy of refunding monies when asked for (of course, in reality it doesn’t work like that — the point the Garcia’s are making).

      That strategy has a better chance of having a positive outcome.

      • aquaclara

        Oh, I hope so, BFM. If people could get refunds, it would go a very long way. I just feel bad for Vance. He has done so much, dealt with the damn cult for far too long, and tried so hard to get things set right.

        Not like going to Penney’s for a simple refund, that’s for sure. It just should not take this much to get one’s money back.

        • BFM

          That is why the Garcia case is so important. If, in that case, it is proofed in a US Federal Court that the refund policies and the internal procedures of Scientology is a sham, it will be easier for others to actually get their money back through US courts. It will also have some other ramifications should it be proofed beyond doubt that refund doesn’t exist in the cherch — I am thinking the tax-exempt status….

          • aquaclara

            Oh, I hope so. It makes no sense that people cannot get their money back.

            We will keep cheering the Garcias on….

            • BFM

              That’s exactly the thing: one should be able to get their money back, IIRC its required to have such procedures under 501 (c) (3) tax exempt status for religious organizations.
              That is precisely what the Gacria’s are suing over. They say it’s impossible to get your money back and are well on their way of building a solid case proving just that. (remember how they can get their money back when you read the churches policies on refunds/repayments, but then the Garcia’s get even get into an org to acquire the necessary forms to fill out due to their SP (ex-communication status)). Their ONLY terminal is Mike Elllis the IJC…. but the IJC doesn’t authorize refunds….. LOL, it will be funny if this plays out well in court.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Sorry, but I don’t understand prepaying for services on account? How does this regging work do you get a discount or a”Win” if up prepay? This has always perplexed me.

          • BFM

            It works with discount rates, the more you buy as a package for future services the higher your discount is. But all sorts of other “buy nows” are used too, like… “it’s a flow to your eternity” , or, “you have the money now, ensure your eternity with it while you can” right down to… “please, we need the income, help your most important 3rd dynamic”…. anything goes really…. as long as they are successful in grabbing your cash.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              thanks I never understood this but it is just manipulation to save your soul for less and we’re broke, wretched assholes. Funny I got out of the habit of cussing but that one felt so good, thx:)

  • beauty for ashes

    Jennifer Maessen~

    I have to say this too~ I know we are all concerned about your welfare,

    I am concerned about your eyebrows.

    They kinda look like wonky apostrophes now

    Please grow them back. You don’t know how lucky you are to have full eyebrows.

    I think L. Ron actually said something like that in the 1972 Andalusia Congress. (pretty sure) 🙂

    • Chee Chalker

      They are wonky, aren’t they!!!! She over plucked the left one for sure. Poor thing was probably exhausted and not able to see straightt

      • beauty for ashes

        And if she waits too long they won’t grow back! I’m also worried she’s been pulling them out from stress!

    • Rita Gregory

      Scouse brows.

  • JennyAtLAX

    Re: “London is still making auditors?”

    Is Jennifer Maessen really a new auditor in London? No! Ms. Maessen is actually working undercover and under the guidance of Cherch of $cientology Global Ecclesiastical and Religious leader, Commander Jenny Linson of LAX Squadron 7 — aka JennyAtLAX!

    • Missionary Kid

      Someone pointed out that she hasn’t actually started to audit, but has only taken one of the preliminary courses. It’s waaay downthread. They said that they’re celebrating stuff that is a long way off.

      • You can see that the file under her elbows is 6 and the date is the 21st of some month in 2009.

        Also, that is such a poor shot. Jenny, bring your arms and hands so they’re parallel with your movie usher outfit, hold the certificate so that it’s straight, and don’t smile quite so wide that it seems fake. You did accomplish something in terms of CoS, but it wasn’t like you had a dream date with Justin Bieber or Katy Perry.

        • BlondesAreDumb

          Poor girl is exhausted. See the dark bags under those young eyes?

          • That’s a common feature of cults, sleep deprivation so that you can’t really concentrate and you become suggestible because you barely have the physical and mental energy to do so. Good catch.

  • Shelly Britt Corrias

    Caek anyone? (don’t know who made this, image was on Twitter)

    Since around the time Tony started putting the social media tag at the end of daily posts I’ve been watching Twitter (just search Scientology now & then). At first, it was glutted up by “I am a” videos and other generic $cilon tweets being recycled over and over, enough to somewhat bury any “negative” or satirical tweets. Lately, I daresay the balance has shifted. $cilons keep regurgitating their same stuff, while other “original” tweets are so diverse and numerous, it never ceases to amaze. It’s worth a visit for chuckles and/or an education on what the social media world thinks.

    • BFM

      I am addicted to cake…. but I will politely pass on this one.

    • Eileen

      Stick a fork in it.

      • BFM

        I know a good place to do that 😉 Oh there is a poopy stain on the cake.

  • davie of borg ?
    resistance is futile…. you will be assimilated

    http://i61.tinypic.com/bfmag6.jpg

    • Frodis73

      This is very good!

    • M from Toronto

      There’s no way that Davie would Contribute to Our Perfection though. He’d have to be like the demented Borg that took up with Lore.
      (On that note, I can never come here and pretend not to be a raving Trekkie-and no, I don’t go by Trekker.)

      • Lore! When TMG went all young and the restless XD

  • SexyNinjaMonkey

    It would appear that the newly hatted, hottie auditor from England is on the facebook https://www.facebook.com/jennifer.maessen

  • BFM

    Hug me? Wow, i love my new avi :)! Thanks beauty for ashes! xo

    • aegerprimo

      (((HUG)))

      • BFM

        Yay! (((hugs))) back!, Imma Hug monster now 😉

    • beauty for ashes

      Now you can take on the world!

      • BFM

        It’s quite a disarming avi, I can win any war with shooting a single bullet 😉

    • Baby Mcgee

      BFM I swear to God if you didn’t have an Avi at the end of the week I was going to smack you..haha

      • BFM

        That’s why baby, I was glad Beauty for Ashes cam up with an avi. Look at it, can you smack me now? (A) xoxo

        • Baby Mcgee

          So stinking cute.. You know it is a hair blurry.. I sharpened it for you..If you want to use it fine..if not no problem..

          absolutely darling..squishable adorable..

          • BFM

            of course I will use this one 🙂 thanks, I don’t want blurry hair hahaha. xo
            Loving the book news, oh yeah, co$” ass is grass in 2015

            • Baby Mcgee

              Oh Yay.. So adorable.. Ass is Grass is the perfect phrase for this dangerous cult BFM.. absolutely

  • ShoopZ

    Fido has body thetans! (refresh)
    .
    .

    • beauty for ashes

      Must not blinkz! Seriously, I was just talking about how much I want a king Charles cavalier spaniel! and its the color I want. Are your body thetans psychic?

  • aegerprimo

    OT: I think I’m missing the point of this article. I mean what was the point?

    Please read and FYI it runs with Disqus comments.

    What Islam and Scientology Have in Common
    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2015/01/08/What-Islam-and-Scientology-Have-Common

    Islam, as a subject, is not quite alone. Scientology is notoriously thin-skinned, and often sends its hordes of lawyers and celebrities after those who might crack a smile. But that’s more or less the sum total of taboo subjects in the liberal West: Scientology and Islam. I’m not sure either would be pleased by their company.

    To be fair, it’s not as if the United States is a shining beacon of freedom in this respect. That hazy right of free speech – which really shouldn’t be too hazy, constitutionally speaking – seems to flicker all the time.

    • Tony Ortega

      Really poorly written right-wing nonsense. Poor copy editor pulled Scientology out of it to put in the headline because there was nothing else to use.

  • outraged
  • Todd Tomorrow
    • The Dude

      Gawwwd! If I hear that woman say “Golden Age Of Tech” one more time…….. I am gonna freak!
      thank god SHE left!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I lafter being held captive under a desk in an old double wide trailer and made to sleep under a desk. But it was me who made them millions as a top regger and made them me a hefty commissions. But they repaid me with sticking me in a garbage can and told to confess I was a lesbian(even though I’m not) and poured water on me. But I believed in the tech and Hubbard and, solo nots and cause over life and it was just turning into a money scam? So I wrote a Christmas letter and quit the high paying scam! I sued and got a big retirement package but none of the old ladies I scared out of their house will be payed back in this lifetime or any.

        • Baby Mcgee

          AND just also didn’t expect the Christmas E Mail to be shared either Todd..

          • Todd Tomorrow

            ..

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I’ll give her that after she probably had over a million in the bank as top regger at flag. I’d decide the tech was wrong as soon as I had enough to retire at 46, too. Then I’d send out my retirement letter.

            • Baby Mcgee

              No what I was saying Todd..was yes I agree with you.. but she is NOT the martyr people make her out to be because she wrote the email to ( I forget who)

              and someone leaked it. She had NO intention of spreading the word.. I think she is despicable personally.. I absolutely agree with your assessment!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I was inferring you were. Just heard a story from someone who was taken for millions by her. She was the top regger and you got like 20%. So she made bank and I thing did this both because she was brainwashed and knew it was a scam. If the Feds ever busted through the door she’d be safe and living in a foreign country which strangely enough she is doing!

  • Barbara Angel

    Best greatest Complete and utter fantasy concerning breaking news in four days:
    Mossad went in and got Shelly. She has been in hospital recovering from malnutrition and suffering from PSD.
    She is now ready to talk and boy is she going to spill the beans.
    Hip, hip Hooray in advance.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      The Mossad could never care about somebody as poor and unimportant as org boarding, Shelly. And they usually murder people.

      • Missionary Kid

        C’mon. It’s her fantasy. I’d like to see it, as impossible as I consider it.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I’m sorry but I bought a 5 star Hotel in London for a business trip I did like(Can’t remember the exact year but it was the last year Concorde flew) a bid for on Priceline. I checked in but the this day I was there some Arba exec had his neck slit in his room) I had to rebook and you could tell that Priceline had never gotten that booking request before. We all had to be questioned! Turned out later to be an obvious hit on a Moussad target fantasy. Which scared me to death. I had to learn about them. Plus Shelly giggled after she shot herself with a rifle twice? What? How does one do that?

      • Barbara Angel

        I actually said “fantasy” also any professional teams can and have killed people.
        Navy SEAL’s anyone?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Sorry, how about she gets pregnant from an affair with an ex-Navy Seal who was hired as private security to keep her in. He kidnaps a look alike, who happens to be a wretched, right wing politician who looks like her. They escape to Mexico and all he does is give her anti scion books to read starting with, The Bear Faced Messiah. But still her TR s Re too strong. So he delivers the baby and then has Shelly shipped back to, The Miscavge Hospital for the Criminally Insane. Where she’ll live out the rest of her life in a jacket hopped up on increasing doses of anti psychotics under the name, Sheila Doe. The Baby grows to healthy 6’2 like his father and is raised in adventurous life from his seal life father. Never even hears about, Dianetica in, Mexico or Spain.

          • Barbara Angel

            Have you been writing scripts for “The Bold and the Beautiful”?

  • The Dude
    • Todd Tomorrow

      Didn’t Jeff Conway die?

      • Missionary Kid

        Yup. I have a gay friend who said that he and JT lived together in Hollywood in the same apartment building in Hollywood he did. He assumed that they were a couple because of the building and the fact that Travolta was making so much money that he could have afforded a much nicer place and moved out.

        • Freethinker

          I have a friend (straight) who was an actor in L.A. in the 70’s. He knew JT and said he was “totally gay”.

          • Baby Mcgee

            My friend is a casting director.. It’s been an open secret for years.. I don’t know one person that even thinks he is straight.. I could care less..

            but Jeeze Louise Come out and smell the flowers.

            • Shelly Britt Corrias

              Interesting observation: in the US anyway, one used to be ridiculed for coming out. Now one is ridiculed for NOT coming out.

            • Baby Mcgee

              You are right Shelly..haha Never thought of it like that before.. ha

          • Missionary Kid

            Money buys exceptions in $cientology. It’s their equivalent of selling indulgences.

            • Freethinker

              There is also this to consider: excerpt from Time Magazine May 6, 1991 cover story about $cientology:
              “Screen star Travolta, 37, has long served as an unofficial Scientology spokesman, even though he told a magazine in 1983 that he was opposed to the church’s management. High-level defectors claim that Travolta has long feared that if he defected, details of his sexual life would be made public. “He felt pretty intimidated about this getting out and told me so,” recalls William Franks, the church’s former chairman of the board. “There were no outright threats made, but it was implicit. If you leave, they immediately start digging up everything.”

            • Missionary Kid

              I think that means that either he really wants to keep his family, particularly his kids, who would immediately be disconnected from him by his wife, who is apparently a real harridan when it comes to Co$, or they have some real serious dirt on him that doesn’t just include being gay.

      • Baby Mcgee

        I watched him on Dr. Drew’s rehab Todd.. He was an absolute mess.. I knew it wouldn’t be too long before he died. He was in a wheelchair ..and his ” Girlfriend” was pathetic.

        Both of them absolutely strung out..

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I guess if I was a gay movie star of Travoltas plus my next acting job was on rehab with Dr. drew(douchbag) I’d hit the pills and turn straight and get a crummy girlfriend, too.

      • The Dude

        Effed up. Fell drown a flight of stairs. Broke his neck. Died months later.

  • The Dude
    • outraged

      No Way. $cientology has an Officla Music Video??

      Is there one with the lyrics?
      Acoustic set?
      How about the Live Show in the 70’s on the FLeewinds.
      I heard maybe one that was recorded on WASS radio.

  • Sejanus

    I thought Jennifers certificate at first said Hated Auditor…lol

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • The Dude

    This is old but this guy rocks. I wish I had balls this big.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdaDenaRXJk

    refresh
    I am sure we all recognize the woman he calls Bro!

    • Baby Mcgee

      That is AnonSparrow Dude.. A very well known and respected Anonymous..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xof9pBJvR4I

      • beauty for ashes

        Hey there you are~ I had turner movie classics on all day and they were showing Elvis movies. At some point I got annoyed at Ann Margaret, and put it on mute with CC. Every once in a while, I’d look up and I swear, there was Elvis and there would be “baby, baby ,baby ” on the screen. each time I laughed and thought of you!

        • Baby Mcgee

          Awwwwwwww you are so sweet beauty.. I have had company since before the holidays and I AM ABSOLUTELY WORN OUT..

          and my step son gave me a cold! It’s my fault because he kept telling me NOT to get close and I kept hugging on him ( I love him) He’s in his late 30s..and I adore him.

          But everyone GO HOME..hahaha.. The problem with living in Florida? Visitors escaping the cold.. ( Love them all, but GO HOME) Will leave in a couple of days.. Everyone just kept straggling in..

          I didn’t wait on them hand and foot.. but 5 dogs barking when someone gets up to go to the bathroom puts them in a barking tizzy.. ( Multiply 8 times during the night) So I’m pooped

          • beauty for ashes

            Oh sorry you got a cold, and the relative invasion. Last time I practically begged my sister to stay in a hotel with her kids. I like my space!

            • Baby Mcgee

              Girl I not only LIKE my space I NEED it! ..and my husband is a trooper and takes the guys fishing and I hang out with the women.. and a couple of them need entertaining..

              They never said it..but I saw the ” I’m bored look on their eyes a couple of times..” It’s NOT that we have had a huge crowd..or even every single day..It’s just a week here..2 days here..3 weeks here..

              and I hate to shop.. Ugh, ugh.. and when you say..” Do you want to go to a movie..”

              ” No.. Beach? ..nah.. sit on a stick up your ass? Nah ( Just kidding)

              But I am used to my own schedule and Football channel 24/7 is too much..

              That said.. I love them all.. but right now I love them far away..hahahhahaha

            • beauty for ashes

              I can imagine some new art work in your house in the near future, with
              “Rules of Baby’s House” imaginatively stenciled on.
              1. You are responsible for your own happiness while your here.
              2. You will not interfere with or generally complain about my Bunker Addiction
              3. Please tip the hostess.
              4. I maintain the right to change rules or amend them for any reason.

            • Baby Mcgee

              Hahahhahahah I love #2 the best..hahahhaa All are excellent..

              Actually it was a couple of bored teenagers.. that’s OK we survived. But beauty I swear I’ve gained 20 #..

              I mean really.. How much pizza can one person eat? Good God..Just shoot me now and put me out of my misery.

              Kim Kardashian got her HUGE ASS idea from me!

            • beauty for ashes

              its just *winter weight*

            • Baby Mcgee

              That’s what I said in the summer….xo

            • beauty for ashes

              I just have to confess the whole time I was reading this and trying to reply I was shoving cheese and crackers in my mouth!
              Big Butts are in! Embrace it wear butt`centric clothes and be like “yeah my ass is big!…… big and beautiful!” take pictures of It and start a twitter account for “baby’s butt!”
              see I got ya laughin~ you just burned some calories.

            • Baby Mcgee

              OMG..hahahhahahhaha You are funny beauty..

              For a drink I made tonight? Half OJ Half Reddi Whip.. It was freakin delicious..It tasted like an Orange Julius..

              I am going to bed.. Waddle to bed..night sweetie..Thanks for the laugh! haha

      • coonellie

        Did you notice the graphic at 1:51 under the FHH brass sign? It’s the infinity graphic for the Valley…or the base for it. I guess the figured it would be familiar.

      • madame duran

        Looks like Bunkerite Mark Foster at 6:53 in the video clip. East Coast twin brother/doppelganger?

        • Baby Mcgee

          Madame.. It does doesn’t it..hmmmm

    • Baby Mcgee
    • beauty for ashes

      I’m gonna bite, who’s the woman? my computers audio was not good with the dialog either. Love that song though!

      • The Dude

        The song is from a band called “Rage Against the Machine”. The womans name escapes me at this moment.. Help please!!!!!!!

        • Baby Mcgee

          I’m not ignoring ya Dude.. I am just having a brain fart.. TOO MANY names in my head..I’m going to explode.

      • madame duran

        The woman is Sylvia Stanard…she of Washington D.C. org fame and cult rep who spoke at the Chautauqua Religious Conference. She’s going down with the ship, I’m sure of it (but would be surprised if she did manage to bolt).

    • FOTF2012

      Just a comment — the music was too loud and distracting. Hard to make out the words. I couldn’t watch the whole thing — got about halfway through.

      • PRenaud

        same with me…

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Woohoo! Jennifer won the SO betting pool for December! SCORE!

    (Refresh)

    • Todd Tomorrow

      SO spokesmodel meaning she’s the best looking one they could find that didn’t need tons of photo shopping.

  • valshifter

    my posting completely disappeared , here I go again.

  • Jenstnick

    Grant Cardone is such a fucking douchebag. That is all.

    • FOTF2012

      Too bad one of the world’s most ethical didn’t get ticketed for endangerment, fire hazard, and littering. Maybe his OT powers made him invulnerable to law enforcement.

      Maybe someone will use his social media posting to alert the police to his misdemeanors and make them look into the video. The police are catching people that way nowadays.

      The guy seems like an arrogant, thoughtless, irresponsible idiot. So he must be OT VIII.

      • Jenstnick

        I hope so. Anyone know what city this was in?

    • Synthia Fagen

      He really owns that word doesn’t he? I mean he just simply is a douchebag — a douchey douchebag.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’ve known many a rich sociopath. Look at the Duggan kid. My niece and nephew were born into wealth like that but never wanted to be flashy with their money.

      • Jenstnick

        The douchiest of douchey douchebags!

        • Synthia Fagen

          Lol. No one douchier or doucheyer!

      • Massengil’s really needs to get him on their boxes!

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          On the one hand, that would be the ultimate emblem of its effectiveness; on the other, sales would plummet.

          It’s a pickle.

          • Now with 10X more douche power!!! but yeah, sales would plummet.

            • Baby Mcgee

              47X

            • isn’t his thing 10X though? but yes, 47X (times) 10X = Grant Douchedone!

            • Baby Mcgee

              There Ya Go! What a beautiful Math Problem.. ( Vomit!)

            • Douche + Vomit = cream of niblet corn! 😉 oh we could have fun with this eh? or perhaps muscle relaxers have made me whackier than usual! 🙂

    • Elegant Mess

      They just seem so sleazy. Hopefully they haven’t spawned yet.

      • Jenstnick

        Gawd I hope not. That kid would have worse DNA than that Kimye baby

      • They do have kids!

        • Elegant Mess

          Yikes!

  • valshifter

    What makes it difficult to get rid of scientology, even after you leave is the fact that they make you believe from the beginning that by criticizing scientology you are actually harming yourself and your fellow beings . That is the glue, that is the thought stopper. One you stupid if you hurt yourself and two a criminal for hurting other people. And nobody wants to be guilty of either crime. Not sure if that is actually true, you step aside you keep quite and to yourself for a while or for a long time, sometimes for a lifetime and let scientology run rampant because scientology knows best. You continue to be trapped by your own thoughts, Till you realize that by observing the flows and the lies of the cult, is not true that you harming anybody except the cult itself, then you can have your own opinion in the issue without feeling guilty. I saw it in myself and in other people too. Thank god scientology no longer has altitude in my way of thinking. And this website has got a lot to do with it. So thank you to Mr. Tony O. and all the commenters in this site, the veil fell off.

  • The Dude

    Going to bed. I will leave you with a tidbit from our show last week. For all you hippies out there. I changed one of your songs a little bit. A little more angry than the original.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FO_l3euWJ0

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I have that same t shirt as your singer. Rocking good job by all!

      • The Dude

        That’s me. I’m Batman. Silly!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Dude you said you played the drums. Sorry for that but you still Rocked!

          • The Dude

            I used to play drums in a blues band years ago. Now I am front man.

    • romanesco

      Nothing personal, but don’t quit your day job.

      • Baby Mcgee

        Damn roman how could someone not take that comment personal? Good Lord

    • Baby Mcgee

      OMG.. Dude you are so Fuckin cute I just want to squeeze you.. Dude with the Batman shirt..

      You have beautiful eyes.. You rockin in Dude.. How fun! I just love seeing those who I talk to everyday on the forum ..It makes it so real.. Thank you babe.. xo Love Baby

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Dude is the drummer. I’m sure if your into dudes though he’s just as cute to you:)

    • Baby Mcgee

      Forgot to add.. My Biker bar would have loved you! Absolutely loved you..

      Hey I forgot to ask..How did your Country Western song go over with your crowd..? I am going to bed.. will check for answer later today..xo

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Is this, Baby? Did you change your avatar? I thought you were the one who said,” My biker bar would love you” Or is this just a different Baby? Been gone awhile?

        • Baby Mcgee

          It is Me ! I changed it around New Years…I love Janis Joplin Todd.. just needed a change up.

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • 3 days

    • beauty for ashes

      I bet you already know, and you’re just teasing us. c’mon just a little hint?

      • I really don’t, but Tony mentioned that his book will be published very soon..
        I am pretty sure this is it.

        • beauty for ashes

          Okay dodo, I’ll take your word. I still really hope Tony’s gonna give us all kittens too 🙂

          • Baby Mcgee

            BEAAAAAUTY! My hubby would absolutely kill me.. KILL ME

          • Artoo45

            I want a pony.

  • FOTF2012

    Re Vance Woodward ruling: this proves that for some judges procedural details trump justice. And to bill Woodward? I hope Woodward is successful in further appeals. For Scientology to be protected by SLAPP is so counter to the intent of the law that it is obscene.

    Maybe that same judge would reason that a person with lung cancer could not sue a major cigarette company because the victim was bullying the perpetrator. And then make the victim pay the cigarette company for court costs. That would make about as much sense.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      History shows us that if you have the budget you can sell a Camel a toothbrush or star in your own version of History of the World-Peter Ivers. This is so true when you are working with influencing the government( which just declared recently corporations are just like people, when directly funding the influence of legislation) The same has been true forever in the legal system. If you have the budget to hire a team or even one expensive good lawyer you can walk from overt criminality. I had a wealthy buddy who had his license suspended for his first DUI,when his court appointed lawyer said it would be best to plead guilty and pay the fine. Well in Washington State which had at the time one of the toughest driving under the influence laws he got 3 more in the next ten years. The next three he had the money to pay high price lawyers to get him off. One time he had a .32 blood alcohol level, another.36. Most people would be dead or severely impaired like he was. But his lawyers got him off on technicalities the last three. After his third,”victory” his parents and some good friends did an invention. With his unlimited budget and walking out of two treatment centers he remained sober until getting hooked on Oxycontin five years later and spending 360 grand in 3 years before he stopped. He probably wouldn’t have stopped but he woke up on the floor one night after binging on snorting 880 milligrams of Oxy on a binge in one day starting when he woke up.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ RED X +–+ RED X +–+ RED X *** Friday the 9th of January

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,
    I will AGAIN be out and about today, here are the preliminary score for Statsday; the final close of the day will be as usual at 5am (est).
    The score for yesterday is 114 new/refreshed ads bringing the Last 4 Days UP from 400 to 439
    and the 7 days Regional List UP from 610 to 629.
    RedX write up : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-117#post-2494321
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    A nice cupa joe by Observer, flickred by Aegerprimo : https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14214005201/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Let’s get busy night owls!

      • Elegant Mess

        On it!

    • Nashville is pretty busy on CL these days. Ecclesiastical business affairs must be really slow in CC. Flagged.

  • Graham

    11am French time: Charlie Hebdo murderers seem to have been cornered in a small print works north east of Paris. Rumoured to be at least one hostage. Two runways at Charles De Gaulle closed, presumably to allow priority for the 5+ police/military helicopters in the area.

  • FromPolandWithLove

    Great news from departament of international expansion 🙂 18 th February, premiere of Lawrence Wright’s “Going Clear ” in Poland :):):):) !!!!!!!!!!!! Forgive me multi exclamation tech , but I am really happy 🙂
    https://czarne.com.pl/katalog/ksiazki/droga-do-wyzwolenia

  • And there’s an air date for showing Going Clear on HBO:

    “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief” (March 16) profiles eight former Scientologists.

    http://communityvoices.post-gazette.com/arts-entertainment-living/tuned-in/item/38676-hbo-slots-scientology-doc-renews-bill-maher-s-show

  • RK

    Jeff’s list is really good advice. As someone who managed to transition out of Scientology alone many years ago and rebuild my life as a non-Scientologist, I find that Jeff has pinpointed the main attributes of normality.

  • Gus_Cox

    10. Get over the idea that your life only has meaning if you are “serving a higher purpose.” Just living your life with love, tolerance, kindness, and charity is what gives it meaning. If the world is to be improved, it will be through individual acts of kindness, friendship, and generosity, not some organized international movement to “save the planet.”

    Yes.

    And Cardone is such a fucking douchebag it nearly defies belief.

  • Pepper

    If Grant Cardone threw that firecracker in an LA hillside than I can only say that he is a big dope.

    Southern California has been in a severe drought for years now and fires are a huge concern here. Grant apparently doesn’t seem to have a clue.