PODCAST: Marc Headley on the Scientology spy at the Danny Masterson trial

On the first day of the Danny Masterson trial on October 11, we told you that we saw something startling: We spotted a Scientology spy in the courthouse hallway. And even more surprising, we saw the known operative walk into the courtroom with Danny Masterson’s prosecutor, Deputy DA Reinhold Mueller.

The next day we confirmed that he was on the list of witnesses for the prosecution. We know that doesn’t guarantee that he’ll testify, but if he does we figure he’ll testify pretty soon since he’s a witness connected to Jane Doe 1’s allegations, and her corroborating witnesses will begin appearing today.

One of the things we said about this operative was that he had been recruited by Scientology in order to spy on a prominent ex-member more than a decade ago. We were referring to Marc Headley, who learned about the spying operation when it was made public in 2011 on the blog of Marty Rathbun, a former high ranking official.

So in order to prepare us for the operative’s possible testimony, we thought we’d have a conversation with Headley about his relationship with him and what he learned from those Scientology documents leaked by Rathbun. And, well, this is Marc Headley, and you know you’re in for a fun time when he steps up to a microphone. So while you’re waiting for our court reports to hitting your inboxes later, please take some time and listen to our conversation, which was sent out to everyone today. (Substack doesn’t allow us to embed the podcast episode here, but you can go to it directly with this link.)

Meanwhile, over the weekend we received an interesting piece from Mirriam Francis, who had some things to say about the “no fraternizing with the enemy” policy that Jane Doe 1 referenced in court testimony, and that Chris Shelton helped us source to a late-1990s PAC Base order for Sea Org members in Los Angeles.

Here are Mirriam’s further thoughts about that policy…

 
I wanted to point to some additional Scientology text which relates to the statement by Jane Doe 1 when she said “It was frowned upon to fraternize with the enemy.” which was in response to the question asked of whether there were policies which impacted her relationships with others. My understanding of her statements in response to the questions which were being asked, is that there were policies in Scientology which governed who she could and could not be friends with and that this was why all of her friends were Scientologists.

I felt that Chris Shelton did a great job of covering this subject on your podcast. His description of how orders would flow from the Sea Org management on downwards out to the public is accurate. I joined the Sea Org in 1998, close to the period that he references a clamp down which occurred on “external influences” and I recognized that phrase from that time period. And his description of the culture is true to my experience.

In fact, there are many references within Scientology which would direct a person on who they should and should not be friends with and this can be especially brought to bear on a person through ethics handlings. The term “enemy” in Scientology covers a broad spectrum. It’s anyone who is contrary to the goals of Scientology.

One common way that a Scientologist might come to identify or determine an enemy is the Lower Conditions. In brief, the process of moving from the condition of Enemy up through Liability requires you to determine who you are, evaluate the differences between your group and another group and decide which one you’re going to join or befriend and then again in Liability, you are going to specifically decide who your friends are. The result of this process is you are going to develop a clear idea of who you should or should not be friends with as it aligns with Scientology.

Within Scientology people are designated as being “in good standing” or “not in good standing.” This also determines who you can be friends with.

The “Keeping Scientology Working” policy is a perfect example of how a Scientologist might understand what type of person or behaviors are considered acceptable within this group and those which are not. You’re either in or you’re out, you’re either with us or you’re not.

There are many different ways in which Scientology dictates a person’s relationships, these are just the specific references that sprung to my mind when this topic came up in the trial.

The common dictionary definition of “fraternise” is to associate or form a friendship with someone, especially when one is not supposed to. The obvious evil doers in Scientology are the media, psychiatry, government agencies and those deemed as suppressive people.

But the term “enemy” covers a much broader spectrum. It can be an aunt who made a critical comment about Scientology to you at a family gathering. It could be a public Scientologist who suggested you come to their party rather than attend a Scientology event, or a Scientologist who booked a holiday instead of donating to Scientology, or it could be a friend who doesn’t want to go back on course, or someone who ceased being on staff at a Scientology organization.

Who a person defines as enemy is subjective, but it is guided and directed by Scientology’s texts. And there are also situations where a person might be pressured in a specific direction, especially by an Ethics Officer.

Statements to the nature of the insularity of Jane Doe 1’s Scientology experience and the impacts that this had on Jane Doe 1 is relevant to this case, is present in her prior testimony and should be of no shock to the defense.

— Mirriam Francis

 
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Technology Cocktail

“We live in a society here in America where the ARC is very curtained or perverted, for the whole group ethic rationale and ideal burns very low. Our salvation lies in the fact that there is abundant free theta in the majority of people and that authoritarianism has become so solid in some quarters that their nullification springs into view enormous theta reserves. We must ably understand what authoritarianism is, first so that it cannot be effective in our midst and second so that we can attack it, for it is a source of MEST and theta once we free them.” — L. Ron Hubbard, 1951

 
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THE PROSECUTION OF DANNY MASTERSON

We first broke the news of the LAPD’s investigation of Scientology celebrity Danny Masterson on rape allegations in 2017, and we’ve been covering the story every step of the way since then. At this page we’ve collected our most important links as trial begins and Danny faces a potential sentence of 45 years to life in prison.

 
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THE PODCAST: How many have you heard?

— The Underground Bunker Podcast

[1] Marc Headley [2] Claire Headley [3] Jeffrey Augustine [4] Bruce Hines [5] Sunny Pereira [6] Pete Griffiths [7] Geoff Levin [8] Patty Moher [9] Marc Headley [10] Jefferson Hawkins [11] Michelle ‘Emma’ Ryan [12] Paulette Cooper [13] Jesse Prince [14] Mark Bunker [15] Jon Atack [16] Mirriam Francis [17] Bruce Hines on MSH

— SPECIAL: The best TV show on Scientology you never got to see

[1] Phil Jones [2] Derek Bloch [3] Carol Nyburg [4] Katrina Reyes [5] Jamie DeWolf

— SPECIAL: Your Proprietor’s updates on the Danny Masterson trial

[1] Sep 21 [2] Sep 28 [3] Oct 4 [4] Oct 10 [5] Oct 11: Day One [6] Oct 12: Day Two [7] Oct 13: Day Three [8] Oct 17: Day Four [9] Oct 18: Day Five [10] Oct 19: Day Six [11] Special interview with Chris Shelton, Oct 19 [12] Oct 20: Day Seven [13] Oct 21: Day Eight [13] First week in review, with Jeffrey Augustine

— The Underground Bunker Podcast on YouTube

[1] Marc Headley [2] Claire Headley [3] Jeffrey Augustine [4] Bruce Hines [5] Sunny Pereira [6] Pete Griffiths [7] Geoff Levin [8] Patty Moher [9] Marc Headley [10] Jefferson Hawkins [11] Michelle ‘Emma’ Ryan [12] Paulette Cooper [13] Jesse Prince

 
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Source Code

“At any given time on the track an individual is a member of two or three groups at the same time. Member of the family, he’s a member of the society, he’s a member of the business he’s connected with. I mean anything like that, you know? Even if he’s a bum, he’s a member of a group called bums. He’s at least two or three groups, you see? All right. Now, how long has he been on the track? About two hundred trillion. And I’d say that it was about three groups every twenty-five years would be the most conservative underestimate of the situation. So that is something on the order of twelve groups a century times two hundred trillion less one hundred, you see? Less two cycles. So, it’s two trillion times twelve, or twenty-four trillion, and you would have to do this twenty-four trillion times. Now, how long are you going to live? Could you afford the number of E-Meters that you were going to wear out during this period?” — L. Ron Hubbard, October 24, 1961

 
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Avast, Ye Mateys

“Most healing is in a primitive state. We are actually far more precise and organized in Dianetic and Scientology auditing than in any of the so-called healing arts. Almost all of our troubles come from being flanked on all sides with incompetent ‘sciences.’ These include medicine, psychiatry, chemistry — you name it. The world’s ‘sciences’ are so imbalanced they are delivering an overt product — a decaying Earth. The animal kingdom is almost gone. The rivers and seas support less and less life. If ‘science’ was so good, there would be steady improvement in the planet itself. And there isn’t. This goes directly back to Man’s failure to solve the riddle of himself. This failure then opened the door to domination by destructive personalities. If we ourselves get rid of the idea we are just drifting along with the tide and begin to demand and deliver high level performance on every post, we can get there while there’s still a planet left. We must raise our sights as to what we expect from ourselves and each other. Only then can we arrest and then reverse the decline. For this reason I am following a policy of demanding high competence on post and a total intolerance of slackness. We must be and can be a very sharp smart organization. I am doing all I can to make it so. Help me out.” — The Commodore, October 24, 1971

 
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Overheard in the FreeZone

“For me THIS is the ultimate truth: If you think the situation is bad now — MSM, ‘Climate change,’ BLM and Covid-1984 — think about WWII and how the Jews managed to trick the world to declare war against Germany.”

 
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Past is Prologue

2001: The Chicago Sun-Times published an article on Scientology celebrity John Travolta and his airplanes. “John Travolta winged himself into town Wednesday ‘safely behind the yoke of my own plane’ to boost his new film, Domestic Disturbance, but he also shared his thoughts on air travel in our post-Sept. 11 world. ‘Of course, I fly privately, so I can control it,’ Travolta told me, chatting in a Ritz-Carlton Hotel suite. ‘I have security guards and my own people prepping the plane and all that. But if I were running an airline, I would put an air marshal on every plane. I’d replace the flight engineer – which no longer is needed in most modern aircraft – and therefore budget in the air marshal. I would also budget in a hardcore door for every plane to ensure separation of cockpit and cabin.’ Asked whether the off-set event brought added tension to the movie set, Travolta laughed. ”Not tension, but it brought worry,’ he said. ‘It was like two kids out there who got in trouble. I got to play big brother and I brought my Dianetics and Scientology into play and brought them back. It was fun to help them.'”

 
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Random Howdy

“The statistical fact that the vast majority of people who tried Scientology walked away from it almost immediately belies this idea that it’s a world class predatory system. A five percent success rate at hooking sucker fish is not impressive.”

 
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Full Court Press: What we’re watching at the Underground Bunker

Criminal prosecutions:
— Danny Masterson charged for raping three women: Trial began October 11 in Los Angeles.
— ‘Lafayette Ronald Hubbard’ (a/k/a Justin Craig), aggravated assault, plus drug charges: Grand jury indictments include charges from an assault while in custody. Arraigned on August 29.
— Jay and Jeff Spina, Medicare fraud: Jay sentenced to 9 years in prison. Jeff scheduled to be sentenced on Oct 28.
— Rizza Islam, Medi-Cal fraud: Trial scheduled for October 24 in Los Angeles
— David Gentile, GPB Capital, fraud: Next pretrial conference set for September 19.
— Yanti Mike Greene, Scientology private eye accused of contempt of court: Found guilty of criminal and civil contempt.

Civil litigation:
— Baxter, Baxter, and Paris v. Scientology, alleging labor trafficking: Complaint filed April 28 in Tampa federal court, Scientology moving to compel arbitration. Plaintiffs filed amended complaint on August 2. Hearing scheduled November 17 to argue the arbitration motions.
— Valerie Haney v. Scientology: Forced to ‘religious arbitration.’ Selection of arbitrators underway. Next court hearing: February 2, 2023.
— Chrissie Bixler et al. v. Scientology and Danny Masterson: Appellate court removes requirement of arbitration on January 19, case remanded back to Superior Court. Stay in place, next status hearing October 25.
— Brian Statler Sr v. City of Inglewood: Third amended complaint filed, trial set for December 6.
— Author Steve Cannane defamation trial: New trial ordered after appeals court overturned prior ruling.
— Chiropractors Steve Peyroux and Brent Detelich, stem cell fraud: Lawsuit filed by the FTC and state of Georgia in August, now in discovery phase.

 
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SCIENTOLOGY: FAIR GAME

After the success of their double-Emmy-winning, three-season A&E series ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Leah Remini and Mike Rinder continue the conversation on their podcast, ‘Scientology: Fair Game.’ We’ve created a landing page where you can hear all of the episodes so far.

LEAH REMINI: SCIENTOLOGY AND THE AFTERMATH

An episode-by-episode guide to Leah Remini’s three-season, double-Emmy winning series that changed everything for Scientology watching. Originally aired from 2016 to 2019 on the A&E network, and now on Netflix.

SCIENTOLOGY’S CELEBRITIES, from A to Z

Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!

 
Other links: SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Tom Cruise and dirty tricks. Scientology’s Ideal Orgs, from one end of the planet to the other. Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society. Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in a weekly series. How many have you read?

 
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THE WHOLE TRACK

[ONE year ago] Scientology wanted to make him their next superstar: The strange death of Kuba Ka
[TWO years ago] An early revolt against Scientology leader David Miscavige found in 1983 document
[THREE years ago] Court docs say Danny Masterson was served in lawsuit filed by rape victims — but was he?
[FOUR years ago] Phil Jones: How Scientology sucked me in — even as National Lampoon warned me
[FIVE years ago] From our man in Europe: Details on the Dutch denial of tax exemption to Scientology
[SIX years ago] Kathy Slevin, sister who attacked Paul Haggis on behalf of Scientology, dies at 60
[SEVEN years ago] From our man in Europe: Details on the Dutch denial of tax exemption to Scientology
[EIGHT years ago] Ryan Hamilton hit with setback as Narconon motion to dismiss prevails on some issues
[NINE years ago] Jefferson Hawkins on Scientology Ethics: Let’s Get Utilitarian!
[TEN years ago] It’s Official: Tommy Davis No Longer a Scientology Spokesman
[ELEVEN years ago] Scientology’s South Park Investigation: Orders to Send in a Young Mole

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 24, 2022 at 07:00

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