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‘Going Clear’: Sara Goldberg on how Scientology turned her own daughter against her

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Just three days to go until HBO airs Alex Gibney’s documentary, Going Clear, and we have another screenshot from the film, this time featuring Sara Goldberg, who really adds an emotional wallop to the movie.

The great Joe Childs at the Tampa Bay Times told Sara’s story last year and how she faced a dilemma forced on her by Church of Scientology officials. Because of Scientology’s toxic “disconnection” policy, the church forced Sara to make a terrible choice.

There’s a big backstory to that choice. We’ll try to sum it up quickly. Sara and her husband, Sheldon Goldberg, were loyal OT 8’s, having achieved the highest level of spiritual advancement in Scientology. Sara’s son, Nick Lister, had grown up in Scientology. But he was also friends with a man, Matt Argall, who had befriended and did some business with Mike Rinder, a former Scientology spokesman. In 2009, Rinder cooperated with the St. Petersburg Times in its blockbuster series, “The Truth Rundown.” In the eyes of Scientology leader David Miscavige, that made Rinder one of the biggest enemies of the church, a “suppressive person” or “SP.” Argall, however, hired Rinder to do some work for him, and also hired Nick Lister. Through that job, Lister got to know Rinder.

The church found out about the connection, and confronted Lister — he wasn’t supposed to be having any kind of communication with an “SP,” or he faced being declared a suppressive himself. Lister promised not to have further contact with church enemies. But later, he admitted that he was still talking to Argall. The church came down hard, declaring him suppressive, essentially excommunicating Lister from the church.

That happened in September 2010, Sara tells us. And her son’s “declare” put the entire family at risk. Not only were Sara and her husband OT 8s, but her daughter, Nick’s older sister Ashley, was also a dedicated Scientologist. By church policy, all of them were supposed to cut off all ties with Nick or they, in turn, faced the risk of being declared suppressive. But Nick lived with Sara and Sheldon, and they weren’t about to kick him out. The church allowed them to spend some time trying to “handle” Lister, encouraging him to get back into the good graces in the church. Meanwhile, his sister, Ashley, also didn’t cut off ties, at least for a few months.

Sara tells us that eventually changed. Ashley suddenly announced that she was disconnecting from Nick, her brother — and on Christmas Day, 2010.

“The whole thing has been such a nightmare,” Sara says. But things were only going to get worse.

Lister did try to get back into Scientology’s good graces — doing what is called the “A to E Steps,” a series of tasks to reverse a declare. He met with the church’s then spokesman, Tommy Davis, who threatened Lister that “We are going to squash you like a bug,” but then told him if he followed a strict program of reeducation, he could make things right. But eventually, Lister grew tired of the hoops he was asked to jump through. He gave up on the A to E Steps.

Into 2012, that meant there was growing pressure on Sara and Sheldon Goldberg to either “handle” Nick or cut him out of their lives. And the church kept putting on the pressure, making Sara and Sheldon each go through “amends” programs to make up for their own failings regarding Sara’s son. Nick’s drinking problem was only making things worse, and in June, he threatened to kill himself. Sara assured Mike Ellis, Scientology’s “International Justice Chief” that she had the situation under control, but Ellis was blunt: It was time for Sara to cut her suppressive son out of her life.

Sara wasn’t going to let the church tell her to abandon her own son. So Ellis then ordered Sara and Sheldon to go through a “committee of evidence,” a sort of internal Scientology justice court, in September 2012. This would decide their fates.

We’re going to show you something now we don’t think has been made public before. It’s the letter Sara’s daughter, Ashley, sent in to the committee of evidence in support of her mother and stepfather, explaining in heavy Scientology jargon why her parents had done their best in the awkward family situation, shielding her from her suppressive brother…

 
AshleyEpsteinLetter

27 Sept 2012
Comm Ev Committee Chairman
For Sheldon & Sara Goldberg

Ashley Epstein

Re: Sheldon & Sara Goldberg

Dear Sir,

In the 4+ years since my brother’s cycle began, Sheldon and Sara have done everything they could to keep the cycle and its inherent entheta off my lines while they were trying to handle my brother. It was obvious to almost anyone that something was going on, but they never put anything about on my lines, I never got any entheta from them about Nick, the church or Scientology. I didn’t really know the extent of what was happening until he was declared because it was deliberately kept off my lines.

I was dealing with my own entheta at the time with a very sick child, so not only did they keep my brother’s cycle off my lines, they did everything they could to help me and my family do better in life. Sheldon audited me for several intensives and got a full repair program completed so I could start my Purif. My mother (Sara) got me back on course at Flag on the basics, they frequently help me with my daughter and her therapies, they help me with her if I need to go in session and consistently help whenever else they can.

To my knowledge, since my brother’s declare, has successfully used her admin training to build a very successful company that uses LRH and Scientology tools to help its employees turn their lives around (such as the drug booklets and the Way to Happiness). I also know that Sheldon went to the Ship and some extensive handlings and came back VVGIs and did whatever program they sent him home with. He has done numerous auditing cycles and facilitated auditing for my husband and I over the last few years.

Whenever I have seen Sheldon and Sara recently, they have been very uptone and theta.

This is true,

Ashley Epstein

[Some definitions for those not up on Scientology-speak: my brother’s cycle = the ethics cycle that Nick is on, or the time since he first got into trouble; entheta = enturbulated theta, the opposite of good feeling or good news, it’s bad publicity or bad press for Scientology or bad vibes from a suppressive person, any bad influence that might keep a Scientologist from advancing his or her case; my lines = Ashley’s communication lines, the people she interacts with that affect her sphere in Scientology; intensives = auditing is purchased in blocks of 12.5 hours, known as an “intensive”; Purif = the Purifican Rundown, Scientology’s unscientific “detoxification” program of heavy niacin intake and hours of daily sauna use; Flag = The Flag Land Base, Scientology’s spiritual headquarters in Clearwater, Florida, where many courses are delivered; the Basics = L. Ron Hubbard’s essential original books and lectures, edited and redesigned for a 2007 re-release; Admin = Hubbard’s voluminous rules for how to run an organization, used religiously by Scientology businesses; the Ship = Scientology’s private cruise ship, the Freewinds, where OT 8 and other courses are offered; VVGIs = Very very good indicators, signs that a Scientology process has produced desired results; uptone and theta = high on the Tone Scale of human emotion, flowing with life force.]

Even if the language is foreign to you, it should be pretty obvious how much Ashley is in support of her mother here. She knows how hard Sara has been trying to juggle this almost impossible situation.

After their hearing, they had to wait several months for a decision. In the meantime, they were still able to remain intact as a family. Even though Ashley had disconnected from her brother, she could still spend time with Sara, and on Mother’s Day 2013, Ashley took her mom out for breakfast and a pedicure.

On the morning of July 26, Ashley sent an email to her mother, saying that she’d signed up her daughter for a beach activity. “It is Sept 21st in Jacksonville Beach. I sent an email to the owner of the condo we stayed at last time asking if the condo is available that weekend. You want to come with us?”

Later that day, however, Sara received a letter from the Clearwater justice chief, Cara Golashesky. It was the findings of the committee of evidence, and it was a notice that both Sara and her husband had been declared.

“Your Committee of Evidence Findings and Recommendations recommend you be labeled suppressive. There is a declare order issued on you now to that effect,” the letter said.

Sara and Sheldon Goldberg had been expelled from Scientology because they refused to cut off ties from Sara’s own son. And now, all Scientologists would be required to disconnect from them.

When Sara went over to see her daughter, Ashley said the ethics office had been trying to call her and she asked what was happening. And that’s when Sara told her that she and Sheldon had been declared. When Ashley asked if Sara would appeal the decision, Sara admitted that she wasn’t going to disconnect from her own son. She also admitted that she’d begun reading critical information about Scientology on the Internet.

“You’re reading the Internet!” her daughter blurted. Sara tried to calm her down with a walk around the block. But then Ashley informed her mother that she was disconnecting from her. In the film, Sara describes the moment in vivid detail.

But what isn’t in the film are examples of how Sara didn’t give up on her daughter. Three days later, she sent this email to Ashley about her granddaughter that was suddenly out of her life…

She is not going to understand “disconnection.” Not ever seeing her Nana and G-pa could have a detrimental effect…Shel and I would like to see her for just a little time before you leave for Seattle this coming Saturday. Ten or 15 minutes is all I ask. You can let me know how to arrange it…She is an innocent little girl caught in the middle. If you want someone else to reply to this, that is fine too…You know how much she loves us and would not understand never seeing us again. Love, Mom

Sara continued to send emails, still hoping to go on the trip to Jacksonville in September, still hoping that Ashley would attend a wedding in Denver with them. Into August, she kept sending emails and handwritten letters, including this one…

August 10, 2013

Dear Ashley,

I had a realization today. I wondered what I could have done or would have done differently over these last months since our comm ev. I realized all I would have done is love you and [her granddaughter] more and harder. I would have spent even more time with you and been thankful for all of it. It was one thing I never fully confronted and that was losing you and [her granddaughter]. No mother should ever have to go thru this loss of a child and grandchild. I love you more and more and always did and will. Mom.

But then, the next day, on August 11, she finally received a reply from her daughter…

 
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Ashley Epstein has followed Scientology’s policy to the letter, and she has cut her suppressive mother and brother and stepfather out of her life.

As for Ashley’s side of things, she’s spelled that out in detail in a video the Church of Scientology has posted at its Freedom magazine website. The video, which accuses Sara Goldberg of being a “home wrecker,” tries to paint her as heartless for siding with her alcoholic son over her daughter. Ashley’s hyperventilating in the video is tough to watch. And Sara tells us she hasn’t been able to bring herself to see it.

“Now, it’s gone to this other level where I’ve become this enemy who is no longer really her mother, I’m someone to be Fair Gamed and destroyed,” she says, referring to Scientology’s legendary practice of retaliation against critics.

“My daughter and I were so close. It’s amazing to me what they’ve done. That they turned my daughter. That is scary,” she says. “That they could turn a beautiful and intelligent young woman against her mother is hard to believe. But they operate from fear. They want to scare people so that people back off.”

While it’s not really a consolation for how her family has been ripped apart, Sara says that in the year since Joe Childs first wrote her story, she’s heard from many people who tell her that she is the reason they have found the ability to walk away from the Church of Scientology.

“I’ve heard from so many people. They say, you’re the reason that I left.”

 

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We want to add a coda to this story. It was pointed out to us that the spectacularly bad Twitter feed Scientology recently started in order to attack Going Clear, @FreedomEthics, posted a photograph of Sara Goldberg with what appears to be some kind of target on her face…

 
Sara_Goldberg_Freedom

 
Take a closer look at the Twitter feed’s logo…

 
FreedomEthics

You can see that it shares the same font as Freedom magazine itself…

 
FreedomLogo

 
And here’s something interesting about Freedom. We wrote about the new editor of its Florida edition, John Sugg, when he took over in the summer of 2013. But then we noticed more recently that Freedom had said something about hiring an entire newsroom in Los Angeles.

And sure enough, last week, the first new “International Edition” under the new crew came out. It’s edited by someone named Jennifer Johnson-Lankheim, and it may be the dullest edition of Freedom ever published.

You may remember that just a couple of years ago, Freedom was brashly calling Marty Rathbun “Kingpin Rathbone” and the rest of the church management that was talking to the press his “Posse of Lunatics.” Or there was the issue that put a caricature of Paul Haggis and Lawrence Wright on the cover in a parody of a New Yorker cover, and which was actually handed out by volunteers outside the Conde Nast offices in New York.

Well, for some reason, Scientology leader David Miscavige has come to the conclusion that it makes more sense to hire some non-Scientologists (we think) and have them produce the most anodyne, somnambulant material imaginable. The cover story of Ms. Johnson-Lankheim’s first issue is a story bemoaning the fact that Americans don’t read more books. We’re not making that up.

And here’s how Ms. Johnson-Lankheim describes her first impression of Scientology itself: “One of the biggest surprises I’ve had in this job, and in the peek I get behind the scenes of Scientology, is the remarkable pool of talent in its religious order, and how the Church goes to great pains to train and develop its people. I work alongside them every day, and let me tell you: As an organization, Scientology is profoundly enterprising.”

Gosh, she sounds so reasonable. So we decided, since she included her email address in a press release recently, that we’d see if she was as interested in her new employer as she made it seem. Here’s the message we sent her…

Jennifer,

Since the Freedom Ethics twitter feed is using the name of your magazine, I’m wondering how you feel about this tweet (attached), which shows Sara Goldberg with a target on her face?

You seemed very reasonable in your initial editor’s note in this week’s new issue. I’m hoping you can help me understand why Freedom thinks tweets like this are an effective way to win people over.

Sincerely,

Tony Ortega
The Underground Bunker

Three days, and still waiting for a response. Well, we can wait some more.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Speaking of Scientology magazines, one of our tipsters pointed out that the latest issue of Freewinds includes this photo of Her Royal Governess of the Vast Valley Territory, otherwise known as Nancy Cartwright, voice of ‘Bart’ on The Simpsons, holding her OT 8 certificate on the deck of Scientology’s private cruise ship. Yes, Nancy, you have finally achieved goddesshood, just as you told Bryan Seymour you would years ago!

 
Nancy_Cartwright

 
Anyone know why the staff of the new “Ideal Mission” in Belleair, Florida flew to Atlanta today?

 
SciBellair

 
I ran around a pole in Tampa and all I got was this T-shirt…

 
SciTampa

 
Joy Villa is actually raising money on her Grammys snowfence dress!

 
Joy_Villa_T

 
Former Miss New York Amanda Mason slips some disguised Scientology into “the Sophomore Class at the High School for Environmental Studies in Manhattan.”

 
DrugFreeNY

 
Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Links of note

As you are well aware, every publication on earth is putting out a story about Scientology this week in advance of the Gibney documentary. We haven’t been saying much about them because most of them are going over subjects we’ve already covered at length here, and we have our hands full with our own countdown. But we do want to give a shout out to Sophie Gilbert of the Atlantic, who put together a really good piece about Scientology’s struggles with its image in the era of the Internet. Give it a look.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 26, 2015 at 07:00

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  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Sitting across from the Toronto org, having a Guinness. No change in the building, no change in their renovation application.

    • Juicer77

      As in, none at all? Empty and lonely?

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        The building has been closed for two years, three months, and they’re over in a temp org. Some ceiling panels might have been shifted but that could be copper thieves. Their renovation application hit a snag on the zoning review, which is odd considering the 80 story condos going in up the road.

  • Miss Cabbage

    Rinder on Fox next. A bit early!

    • Vaquera

      Thx. TV is muted until Marty appears.

      • Juicer77

        Epic ‘stache and frown on now :)

        • generic sock account

          John Bolton is The Worst Bolton. And that’s saying a lot.

      • Lucille Austero

        It’s Mike

        • Vaquera

          Mike, Marty, Mark, Marc….my brain jumbles.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Throw in a Mick, a munk and a cyclone Marcia and you’re screwed. 😉

    • Lucille Austero

      I’m watching too!

    • Allie

      With Greta?

      • generic sock account

        With Barbie News Anchor Edition.

        • Allie

          Love the new socks avi

      • Miss Cabbage

        With Megyn Kelly. They showed the HBO snippet and I thought she said, “Coming up next.”
        I may have been in error. Still coming up soon.

      • dagobarbz

        I would LOVE it if Greta had to cover anything associated with this story. My thetan ass would fall off.

    • Sidney18511

      I hope he comes on soon cause faux news sux big eggs. Their a cult themselvesj.

  • Allie

    It’s truly delightful that Gibney, Wright, Tony, Mike and Marty are doing so many great interviews.
    Where is Davey “Demented Midget” Miscavige?

    • Miss Cabbage

      Excellent question. Maybe he will show up on “Oprah” and jump on the couch!

      • Juicer77

        He can just stand on the couch and look her in the eye while she sits :)

        • One Human

          ^^^ Shoop request.

    • Zer0

      Technically, Miscavige isn’t intelligent enough to give interviews.

      • Allie

        Yes, we DO know that he isn’t capable at all.
        Sorry, Dave. If the shoe fits…..shoot it!
        (like you always do)

    • One Human

      COB David E.F. Miscavige is going for the Gold Medal in hide and seek.

  • Juicer77

    Scoopy Ortega tweeting Megyn Kelly talking points at upper left of this page XD

  • Vaquera

    Someone give a shout out when Mike’s actually on. I’ve had a tense day and Fox is doing me no favors.

    • Miss Cabbage

      Tony mentioned earlier Rinder will be on at 9:40.

    • generic sock account

      I got you.

  • Juicer77

    Edit: Mike next

  • Cindy

    Rupert Murdoch doesn’t like Scientology. He’s tweeted some nasty comments about it. :)

  • Juicer77

    Greta. Greta. Greta. Greta. Greta…

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    It’s been a long day, and I haven’t had time to read 1200+ comments.

    Maybe this has been done already:

    (refresh!)

  • generic sock account

    Rinder is on now.

  • Juicer77

    Mike’s up

    • DMSTCC

      linky? I’ve been away

      • generic sock account

        Fox News, buddy! Haha. Scroll down for a link.

  • Juicer77

    Scruffy beard Mike -nice!

  • AintMizBahavin

    Mike is on

  • Tony Ortega

    “Mark, thanks for being here.”

    • AintMizBahavin

      she cleared it up

  • generic sock account

    Wtf that guys tooth is…

  • Tony Ortega

    She seems amped by the film.

    • aquaclara

      And she saw it.
      Excellent.

    • scottmercer

      For once I am in agreement with Fox News. See? Scientology DOES bring people together!

  • AintMizBahavin

    mike: im sure you were flooded with all kinds of information about the people involved… TELL IT MIKE TELL IT!!!!

  • generic sock account

    She’s reading a threat from the CoS! Hahaha

  • Juicer77

    Fax received by Fox News at 8:46 from the Co$ slinging mud at Mike, Megyn read on air LOL

    • AintMizBahavin

      HAHA PROVED HIM LIVE ON AIR…. TICK TOCK

      • Juicer77

        * high five* for Co$ predictable tactics!

    • Miss Cabbage

      LOVED the closing remarks by Kelly! Great interview.

    • Allie

      Good for Megyn. Haven’t seen broadcast yet.

  • Juicer77

    Kelly: “Film is SHOCKING”

  • Hamtaro

    “You should care because people are being hurt.” Great answer, Mike.

  • generic sock account

    News Anchor Barbie has the same parts required to become Cult Antagonist Barbie.

  • Dibythesea

    Mike hit it out of the park! Great interview!

  • Vaquera

    You could knock me over with a BT. I was expecting a softer interview.

    • Juicer77

      No Greta or JT. Only Cruise (brief mention by Kelly)

      • Vaquera

        I’m glad it was focused on Co$’s abusive ways rather than Hollywood.

        • Juicer77

          I wish MIke had gotten dig in about certain high-profile adherents in entertainment and media, naming no names, hee hee

          • Vaquera

            The only thing I thought was missing were the words tax and exempt, but I’m not complaining. It was da’ bomb.

            • MaxSpaceman

              and Ms Kelly was, truly, horrified, having seen the film. You could see it.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Just glad? I was ready to do handstands and cartwheels. Then Mr Hole walked in and reminded me I can’t do cartwheels or even walk right. I’ll ask Kim to do one for me, after the party.

    • AintMizBahavin

      ME TOO WAY TO GO MIKE!!!!!

    • Billy Bob

      I didn’t know if Fox was pro or con and was a bit afraid.

  • Lucille Austero

    Super interview with Mike on Megyn Kelly!!

  • ShevilKat

    As much as I would like to smush a grapefruit in Megyn Kelly’s face, that was a pretty great interview. Better than I expected.

    • Larry

      ShevilKat, if you had been born to her parents and you would be her sister and you likely love her very much. LOL. But alas, you were perhaps born to parents of liberal or left leaning persuasions. Setting all personal things aside, Kelly just introduced an enormous audience to the HBO March 29th Documentary Going Clear, the Prison of Belief that is literally going to change the world, of Scientology.

      • ShevilKat

        Actually, my Dad is a huge fan of the”Get Off My Lawn” network. Mom was too, until she passed away yesterday. And I agree, as I believe I stated, it was a great interview.

  • nottrue

    Hi Greta…Hi DM….I’m on Fox in front of millions of people

    • Phil McKraken

      David Miscavige’s latest media interview — 1992
      Mike Rinder’s latest media interview — 10 minutes ago

      Someone has some catching up to do.

      • One Human

        Has anyone seen COB David E.F. Miscavige recently?

  • generic sock account

    The break room at Fox News is going to be super awkward tomorrow.

    • Miss Cabbage

      … if Greta shows up for work, that is.

      • Juicer77

        Her phone is ringing off the hook right now, direct from Dave’s red phone. Don’t pick up, Greta!

    • Ella Raitch

      I wonder how much of this is a new and improved Anchorwoman Barbie going after an older, slightly worn in anchorwoman Barbie

      • generic sock account

        I’m not sure Greta was ever a Barbie. And I’m gonna leave some very mean jokes unsaid because I’m not heartless.

  • aquaclara

    That was awesome, Mike. Great job.

    • April

      I’m kicking myself right now for missing it. Gahhhhh!

  • Hamtaro

    That queasy sick feeling in the pit of her stomach that Greta Van Susteren is having right now is the same one that Tom Cruise is going to have when he talks to his publicist on Monday morning.

    • generic sock account

      But there is always a silver lining, and in this case, it’s that we can all turn off Fox News now.

      • aquaclara

        WTF? That’s heartless. There is a seven-alarm fire in NYC with buildings that have collapsed, People both seriously injured and many without homes. Solid reporting just on.

        • generic sock account

          You serious? They’re talking about the Germanwings flight now. How am I heartless for turning off Fox News?

          • aquaclara

            Someone must have been so busy attacking them that they missed the coverage. Turn it off if you like, but talking about a silver lining while people are seriously hurt, and over a hundred firefighters are risking their own lives to protect others came across as utterly heartless.

            • generic sock account

              I turned it off immediately after Megyn Kelly said thank you and goodbye to Rinder. You may have been seeing coverage of the fire, but I wasn’t. That had nothing to do with my stupid joke.

  • aquaclara

    There’s more. Just showed the hole. Bars. Sunday night. Taking comments on FB.

    • April

      Link? Pretty please!

      • Miss Cabbage

        facebook.com/thekellyfile

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          I couldn’t see how to comment on this page . I liked it and says I’m following. So how to comment?

  • Lurkness

    And Kelly ends show with more outtakes of Going Clear and plug for film on Sunday.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Is there a link? Dm faxed in a threat to Fox about Mike that got read on air? Whaaaaaa?!

    • generic sock account

      It sounded like their usual bullying of journalists. “We heard… Why are you pursuing this…” She obviously didn’t read it all.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Fantastic! Wait. Fox News, really? You’re all pullin my leg, right? Is this a sanity test, because OT III is more believable.

        • Vaquera

          OTFox

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

          Greta grits her teeth.
          How awkward.
          Happy Ending!

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Bet Greta is stewing…. Bwahahaha

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              And hubby too!

        • aquaclara

          She made it quite “clear” this is a must see. Supported Mike, made Alex’s and Lawrence’s credentials known, cited Scientology as extremely litigious, and repeated that for emphasis. Referred to an earlier story from some years ago (which I don’t recall), and came back after the story for a postscript and the time of Sunday’s show.

          Mike did very well. He got in the first amendment stuff, the harassment, and more.

        • One Human

          THDNE, call a medic, can’t breathe, laughing too hard!!
          OMG, thank you for that.

        • Menna

          i know!

      • Mymy88

        That is just so arrogant. I swear, I think Megyn Kelly was actually seething. Oh Lawdy! Give me the strength to withstand all this drama and suspense!

    • aquaclara

      Yes. Really. And she had seen the documentary.
      Mike did great. She was a great interviewer.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I knew the Reckoning wouldn’t be pretty, but I didn’t know it would blow my mind.

    • Vaquera

      I dvr’d it. Drop by anytime over the weekend and we can watch it.

    • April

      Look just above your post. Someone posted a link to the video on youtube.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I JUst missed it, caught the ending of her program with with ad. I will watch the repeat at midnight. This is just fabulous. I like Kelly and it did look like she is excited in even mentioning it.

    • nukethevolcano
      • EnthralledObserver

        Oh, wow – that was quick. Was just going to ask when we might get this for us poor woggy wogs.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thanks so much!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Seconded.

          • stillgrace2

            Soundly thirded.

      • Ella Raitch

        Megyn Kelly: ‘the film is shocking’

        Woohoo! Any thing to add Greta?

        • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

          when that story came out about Greta’s husband being a total threatening douche to another journalist about his review of Going Clear I made it a big part of my blog and posted the link to Murdoch … one thing I know about the guy is that he really likes provocative leader titles – he used to be a master of them himself back in the day… I like to kid myself that he visited and a message came down to Fox News making it clear where he stands on the cult and to be proactive in reporting it

          here’s the header I wrote:

          WHO KNEW GRETA VAN SUSTEREN’S HUSBAND [D.C. attorney John Coale] IS ACTUALLY A CUNTY-PSYCHO SCIENTOLOGIST

          (probably caught his attention, ed)

          http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/who-knew-greta-van-susterens-husband-dc.html

          pics

          • Mymy88

            Ha ha. Oh yes. I remember seeing that and I loved it. I feel personally betrayed by Greta because I’ve always looked up to her lol. Wow, as if I was not already cynical enough as it was. I really didn’t need that revelation, but that’s a life. You gotta role with the punches.

      • Cupcakes for Breakfast

        Thanks for the link! Two thumbs up for the interview!

      • Robert Ramsay

        He gets paid $175 and hour by Mr. Babbitt !!! ?
        I’m out of here. :)
        Wow Dave you really are back in the school yard.

      • Baby

        Thanks Nuke.. Wow.. so much said in such a short time.. great.. If I haven’t welcomed you already.. Howdy.. so glad you are with us.

    • April

      Thanks for the info. I’ve set my DVR.

  • Robert Ramsay
    • Dancing Cranberry

      I think that anyone can listen to this interview of Mike Rinder. I listened to it earlier today. Piya Chattopadhyay is an excellent interviewer, but I found her tough on Mike. He handled the interview very well. I was impressed with how he handled the questions and challenges from her.

      • Robert Ramsay

        tough == journalist :) and it rings true which is good all round. All the people listening (extremely large audience base ) will take what they want from it. :)

      • madame duran

        “Tough” as in playing Devil’s advocate, not hostile (she also kept on saying “alleged” several times). It’s a standard journalism approach on controversial topics to avoid sounding like a fangirl/fanboi for one particular side. Mike answered her well; he was pleasant and gave straightforward answers to Piya’s questions.

        • Dancing Cranberry

          Exactly right. It was just different than the interviews we usually see. I have great respect for Piya. In fact, I had hoped that she would become the host for Q.

    • May_West

      Mentioned at the end of the broadcast & below: Going Clear will be playing at the TIFF Lightbox in Toronto sometime soon. Don’t know if it will play other places.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I read Sara Goldberg’s story and it was heartbreaking. I’m so happy that she spoke out and sad for her daughter and family. Hopefully soon, things will change for her.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      It seems her daughter loves her very much. Ashley must be in terrible trouble and under unrelenting pressure – and she has a little one so that is really tough. I hope that somehow Ashley sees the light and gets out soon. Then she could be with her family again.

  • Hamtaro

    Mike Rinder: Wise Beard Man 2.

    • Mymy88

      hahahaha, yes!

    • scottmercer

      Wiser Beardier Man?

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      Well, Wise Stubble Man at least . . .

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    The Kelly and Rinder YT video is glong to have some great comments. It’s so busy now can’t even show them. Whoopie!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Wow. Can I just say how stunned I am after watching Mike Rinder’s interview with Megyn Kelly on Fox News just now?

    Who would have thought in a billion years that scientology would cause every Fox News and Daily News fans to find themselves in the same room watching the same movie? And not killing each other?

    Respect!

    https://youtu.be/cGXU7268Z50

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Stunned is right! At least half the people watch FOX News over the country, if not more, this is so exciting and Kelly is excited too. I wonder how the local Fox network will run it.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        And Davey even threw in a last inning Fair Game Fax! I have this urge to telex him a Congratulations note.

        • May_West

          Oh noes! Not the dreaded “FGF”!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      It is amazing how strong Megan Kelly comes on – and she has seen the movie! Mike hit it out of the park. Plus I love him in the beard.

      • Ella Raitch

        Love how he made sure to use all of the last 30 seconds to get his point across (trained professional that he is)

  • NOLAGirl

    Miss Tia will have her computer issues solved in the next day or so and she asked me post these haiku for her:

    Feel isolated
    I’m living in a vacuum
    Missing the Bunker
    #haiku

    My eye has a cut
    Perfectly straight across it
    No clue what happened
    #haiku #PossibleBodyThetanAttack

    What did I pull in?
    A whole load of fuck my life
    Watch out! I fight back! :)
    #haiku #PullInKickItOUT

    A spawn of Skittles
    Melon, has ear infection
    Caught before drum burst
    #haiku #SKITTLES #RapidInfection

    Friday Delivery
    I will have new computer
    Stalking Fed Ex guy
    #haiku #YES

    Love to the bunker
    Those who offered to help me
    And to those who did
    #haiku

    Firefox won’t synch
    I can’t log into disqus
    Until tomorrow!!
    #haiku

    Can’t get email
    Write down all your passwords PLEASE!!
    Let me be example!
    #haiku #DontBeLikeMeBoysAndGirls

    Off to bed I go
    After gooping my eye and
    Melon’s ear, MEDIC!!
    #haiku #WalkingWoundedHere

    • generic sock account

      I can’t believe you two communicated all that through morse code smoke signals. That’s impressive.

      • what’suppressive

        Telepathy bro. Sssssshhhh don’t tell Nancy Cartwright.

        • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

          That’s so OT! We must send this story to John Sugg at once!

    • Baby

      You tell Tia.. We miss and love her and to hang in .. We’ll be waiting..

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Miss Tia, I can hardly wait to have you back, sweetie!

  • Baby

    Today was rough for us.. Just want to post this youtube video I saved a long time ago..because he sang from his heart..and this is how I feel about my Bunker Buddies.. I couldn’t fight this hard against this evil cult without all of you.. love baby

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzj9z8QDTfU

    • MoX, Mother of Xenu

      What happen little one?

      • Baby

        Tony’s post today Mox..Welcome Welcome..

        Some posts hit me harder than others..and Sara’s disconnection from her daughter just hit me hard..and I know others feel the same..

        Just palpable sadness.. sigh Thank you Kitteh

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Me too, in the whole movie that hit me the hardest. I have a young adult son and daughter. Cannot imagine. Cannot imagine losing one of them.

          • Baby

            The only thing that keeps us energized around here is.. ” Going Clear..” Theroux..Tony’s book..and more..

            But in between the highs are so many lows Free..

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    Louis Theroux talks about his scientology project…. what I didn’t know is that he’s calling it a feature film which sounds like he’s releasing it in the movie theatres…. imagine if Going Clear and his film both go up against each other at the Oscars; either way just when tiny fists thinks all the hype about GC is gone up pops another major project… for those with a poetic bent I thought the lyrics to ‘It’s Raining Men’ could be tweaked to SP’s instead of “men”….

    pic

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1170314/Louis-Theroux-BBC-films-release-Scientology-documentary.html

    (you have to watch a bloody 30 second ad first}

    also new post up

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • Lurkness

      Tony had report/scoop on it being a theatrical release some time ago. Probably got buried in comments– hard to keep up with them anymore.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        probably didn’t register as he’s well known over here and has only EVER done TV docs…. ftr his cousin is Jennifer Anniston’s bf… pretty sure he had access to quite a few celebs.. in fact wouldn’t surprised if a few approached him once word got out.

        • Ella Raitch

          He has good family connections for sure

    • Tony Ortega
  • Vaquera

    Fox’s Steve Doocy is dissing Co$, too.
    https://twitter.com/droppin_a_dooce/status/581279171768242176

    • scottmercer

      When Steve Doocy is talking down to you, you’re pretty bunch at the bottom of the barrel, reputation wise.

    • generic sock account

      That’s the best parody account name ever.

  • Bob Crouch

    For those still sitting on the fence about getting HBO in order to watch the documentary: HBO usually offers a 30 day free trial period (certainly to those who call their cable provider and insist on a free “taste”). 30 days is plenty of time to watch the film a couple of times and decide whether HBO is worth the $20 a month.

    It’s certainly a lot less painful than learning about scn by taking the “church” advice and plunking down $20 for the Dianetics book at your local friendly org (and winding up a perpetual “reg” target for your troubles).

    For the first time in my life, I am now an HBO subscriber–for free. Looking forward to Sunday night!

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Bob, I should’ve talked with you first and then insisted. I called my server and they said not free, but could be prorated for days. I activated it in seconds while on the phone for $19. I can cancel after the show but nice to see some movies while it’s on.

      • Bob Crouch

        At $.66 a day, I’m sure you’ll find a way to get your money’s worth. I’m not much of a TV person, but I hear a lot of buzz about “Game of Thrones.”
        Enjoy!

        • scottmercer

          Game of Thrones is very dense. Even if you are not really a fantasy fan, there’s plenty of good action, violence and drama. And possibly even more evil and complicated subplots and character interactions than in Scientology!

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            David Miscavige could learn a thing or two from Tywin Lannister. . .

  • Mymy88

    Yes, it is time for Mymy’s little pitty party lol.

    Oh for goodness sakes. My mother and I just watched the Fox News interview with Mike Rinder and NOW she says, “Okay, now I know it’s a big deal”. No one believes a word I say about how truly dispicable $cien is. Do you all know how crazy this drives me?

    I don’t know how all you long-timer $cien watchers stand it. Last week was the first time I ever brought up the subject of $cien with my sister-in-law. When I told her it was an evil intentioned cult, guess what she said to me? She says snidely, “Where did you hear that… on the internet?”

    A couple days later I brought the subject up again and she said, “I don’t care about Scientology.” I said, “Well you should because there is all sorts of child abuse that goes on.” Then she says to me, “ALLEDGED child abuse.”

    I told her that one day, and probably soon, she will apologize to me for not believing what I said was the truth. Then she says back to me, “Give me a break”. OMG I can’t wait to rub it in her face what a doofus she was to me about it. Does that make me a meanie? I don’t care, I still can’t wait, muuahahah!

    • generic sock account

      You’re reading the Internet!

      • Mymy88

        Damn straight. Where else was I going to learn the truth about $cien, ya know? I nearly fell out of my chair when I first starting looking into it. Hell, it was just one mind blowing horrifying, sickening story after another. I kept thinking, when in the hell do I get to the end of this insane story? Now I know the answer is probably never. Scientology is like an abyss of evil. I don’t know how else to describe it.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m rather fonf of Black Hole

          • Mymy88

            Yes, actually that is a better way to describe Scientology. It sucks the life and light out of everything it touches or even gets close to.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I know what you mean. Most people do not want to talk about it and say “I know they are bad”. Now with all the press and news especially Fox News so many more will watch the documentary and even if they don’t, they’ve seen it on TV News and so it’s worse than they think. All going well eh?
      Hope all goes better with your tough sis-in-law. Good on your mother!

      • Mymy88

        All I can say is how glad I am that this time, people are going to listen, thanks to this documentary. And thank you for you empathy.

    • May_West

      The last person I told about sciloonery really pissed me off. Their response was to talk down to me… did I know who Bill Maher was? Did I know what he says about religion? Blah blah blah … all religions bad …. blah blah blah. It just disgusted me after all the crap I’ve witnessed firsthand. Anyway, the next a-hole that tries to minimize their evil will get to hear these few words: “All the same? Jim Jones. People’s Temple. 900 dead”

      • Mymy88

        Ooo that’s a good one. I’m noting that down! Thank ya May!

    • Baby

      Ok.. My daughter in law came to visit.. I have never met her before. So she was trying to break the ice and said..” How long have you been a Scientologist?”

      Apparently others on my hubby’s family have mentioned in passing.. ” She does something in Scientology, but I don’t know what..”

      So Yep.. GLAD WE GOT THAT CLEARED UP! Good Lord.. If they watched the Documentary and thought I was a Scientologist.. I would die on the spot.

      • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

        I do believe I LOL’d.

        • Baby

          It’s NUTS Artoo.. Nuts I say.. and the last time I heard she may move here because she loved it so much..

          She doesn’t know it, but once the Scilloooooons are done..I’m heading over to taking down the Mormans…bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhaa

          • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

            I say we go after NXIUM in Colonie NY first. They’re smaller, but they’re just as evil in their own small way.

            • Baby

              Well you just lead the way when I am finished here.. It may be a while, BUT it will collapse ..rest assured.

            • Baby

              ( Just Hearsayed.. I thought it had a V in it.. NXIVM xoxox but yeah..Next Artoo..

            • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

              Keith Raniere would make an ideal cell mate for Tiny Fists . . .

            • Baby

              ugh.. What a Kook.. Absolutely

            • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

              I do believe you are correct about that V. Sadly, their main critic online turned out to have child porn all over his computer and is in the slammer. Knowing the cult playbook as I do, I’d usually be suspicious, but the guy copped to it in court. The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend . . .

      • Mymy88

        LOL Holy crackers in soup! Smoking Baby the Scientologist. Now I’ve heard it all LOL. Yes, it was good that you were able to nip that one in the bud ha ha.

        • giggler

          Given me a good laugh this morning

        • Baby

          She’s been in the family probably 13 years.. she is married to his Stepson who lives in UTAH.. We have NOTHING in common as you can imagine..

          • Missionary Kid

            Of course, you offered her a beer. 😛

            • Baby

              She’s like..” Why are you criticizing a religion..” hahahhahaha Nope..but I was myself.. and I drank one. ( or 2)

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        LOL, can’t. stop. laughing.

        • Baby

          My hubby laughed his ass off Free.. Because of my face.. I mean she wasn’t that interested that I was a Critic when I told her..

          But I WAS.. Girl I wanted to get that on the table immediately..

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Mr. Smoking Baby must have been rolling on the floor!

            • Baby

              ON THE FLOOR.. I even said..” HONEY BRING ME MY ANONYMOUS MASK NOW! ”

              I had to show proof.. Proof I tell ya

      • Mymy88

        I would give anything if I could have seen the look on your face when she ask you that LOL!!!

        • Baby

          Can you imagine.. OMG.. Plus the fact..true story.. She is a Fuckin MORMAN.. She probably thought we had a lot in common.. God Help Me..

          • Menna

            lol!

            • Baby

              What is the chances of that happening.. ? Dayam..

          • Mymy88

            Hey! I am a Mormon, but a non practicing one lol. It’s just one of the religions I tangled with for a short while. I didn’t even learn much about it. Okay, truth was, I was engaged to a Mormon and that’s the ONLY reason I joined. We never did make it down the isle thank dog!

      • Menna

        good grief, that was close!

        • Baby

          Yes..and then I was wondering who else in his family were ” Talkin.” I’m sure my hubby said to someone..” Yeah, she’s in Clearwater..

          Oh you know something to do with Scientology..” ( Type thing..)

      • EnthralledObserver

        LOL – that’s priceless.

        • Baby

          Isn’t THAT a hoot EO..hahahhaa

          • EnthralledObserver

            My kids sometimes say ‘why don’t you go join then seeing as you love it so much’… but they’re just whinging because I’m choosing to read the Bunker over cooking gourmet meals for them and all… haha! 😉

            • Baby

              BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHAHAHHAHA OMG EO.. I can’t stop laughing.. That is absolutely hysterical.. hahahhaa… I’m glad I read that before bed..haha

            • Missionary Kid

              Suggestion: Tell them that if they want gourmet meals, they have to help you fix them. Ultimately, they’ll be able to fix the meals themselves.

              It’s sneaky, but they’ll have good food, and they’ll be able to take care of themselves.

              O.K., I’m a wiseass, but when my son got married, my DIL thanked me for teaching him how to cook. Unfortunately, since I’m a male, the food tastes great, but my presentation sucks.

    • Baby

      And THAT is exactly why we ALL come to the Bunker.. Cause we can have intelligent conversations about this shit..

      When I say John Sweeny, or Tory you know who in the hell I’m talkin about.. I have told my hubby 10 times about Jason Beghe.. and he still doesn’t know who the hell he is..

      ( Wait.. maybe that’s a good thing..) bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahahha

      • Mymy88

        Same with my mom! We live together. I’ve practically given up as far as trying to express how disgusting $cien is. Maybe when she watches ‘Going Clear’ she’ll see the light.

        Oh and yes, maybe that is a good thing that your husband keeps forgetting who Jason Beghe is lol. Yeah, he is just awesome! God did I ever fall in love with that really long video where he talks about leaving $cien. I’m pretty sure I’m going to put it my number one favorite anti-Scien videos of all time.

    • Menna

      Tonight I mentioned to someone I had just met that Scientology is a dangerous cult. He seemed to agree, but then said, “but you know they have a point about coming from aliens.” So wrong on so many levels.

      • Mymy88

        Kinda of makes you wanna bang your head on a wall, doesn’t it?

    • L. C. Spencer

      Aaaaand this is why they’ve gotten away with it for so long.

      • Mymy88

        Aaaaaaaaaaand you are so right!

  • Larry

    When an organization receives a tax exemption from the IRS like Scientology’s, is it automatically for life? (In the USA).

    • generic sock account

      No.

    • Larry

      I mean it seems to me ‘that’ (tax exemption revocation) is at least 1/2 of the whole heart of the documentary Going Clear. That and ending the abuse, the other half.

      • generic sock account

        The last time the IRS did their due diligence in trying to determine which 501c3 (non-profit tax-exemption) filings were legit, and looked to filter out some of them, it was spun into a political scandal that the media just loved to bullshit about. This administration doesn’t want any more of that.

        • scottmercer

          Obama can just do an Executive Order stripping Scientology of their tax exemption his last day in office. That along with removing ganja from the Schedule One of Narcotics and pardoning anyone in federal jails for possession. (A nice fantasy. It won’t happen, but a person can dream.)

          • giggler

            I wish, great dream though

  • beauty for ashes

    Can someone tell me why reporters keep saying alleged wire tapping? I could swear the guy who did it got caught for something, and testified to tapping Kidman’s phone in court.

    • Lurkness

      It’s “alleged” that the Chult and DM ordered it. Alleged is used as a preventative measure to defamation lawsuits. “We didn’t say it, so and so alleged that, and we made that clear. We were just reporting.”

      Yes, PI Anthony Pellicano (who had allegedly worked for TC’s lawyer Bert Fields) was arrested and convicted by the feds. I don’t recall how much of a role the Nicole wiretapping played in it, he was a very nasty, blackmailing PI.

      Pellicano’s wiretapping was supposedly after separation and divorce proceedings started, so not clear that what Marty is talking about (“alleged” wiretapping to try and break them apart) has been out there publicly before.

      In addition there was a paparazzi/photographer Eric Ford who also recorded TC/Nicole calls and he was prosecuted by the state and he got six months.

      More here… http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/410793-leaked-tanscript-of-tom-cruise-and-nicole-kidman-phone-conversation

    • Baby

      Good Question Beauty..

      and Lurkness.. Nailed it..

  • nottrue
    • Mymy88

      OUCH is right! Whoa! But boy is it EVER deserved!

    • Ella Raitch

      There are about half a dozen tweets now making that connection

    • Baby

      YES! BRING IT!

    • Ella Raitch

      Ouch has close to 3000 followers…. From little things big things grow…

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Just occurred to me Mike might not have known beforehand about the fax. He handled that shocker like a pro handles an instument snapping in the middle of a solo – smooth. Really impressed with both of them.

    • generic sock account

      Who knew Pete Townsend’s guitar was going to break?!? 😉

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    Nancy, you have not a clue; real glibness trained in.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    Re Nancy Cartwright… here’s a grab from my blog on Dec 2nd showing a CDAN blind item that pretty much everyone guessed…. IMO it’s pretty close to bang on true

    pic

    • generic sock account

      Is she really broke, though? I doubt it.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        does she look someone who can say no to the cult’s very, very best reg’s?

        • generic sock account

          No, but she has people that manage her money. I recall seeing a video of her talking about having to convince someone to let her buy a new car. Or am I thinking of someone else?

          • generic sock account

            I’m not asking that in a snotty tone, I really am wondering if I’m thinking of someone else.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            That was her, I saw it too – but I assumed that she was lying, since she gives all her $$ to the cult. If she has a money manager it is probably her reg.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            I remember the same video.

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            when I joined a site to access corporate information on Wiseman Burke to find out info on Bohdi Elfman I fell down a rabbit hole of all the slimy directorships he had… if I remember rightly they’re the premier financial advisors to clam celebs … which is sort of an oxymoron car crash of entheta or something… so, in a sense you’ve answered the question… she probably did have to convince her advisors to allow her to buy a new car as they actually knew how much they ripped her off to fill the cult’s coffers

            • generic sock account

              Well, they’ll do season 27 and maybe 28, and she’s immediately a multimillionaire again. Plus the royalties and back ends they have on sales… She’s set for life. Maybe she doesn’t have the bank account you’d expect, but she’s far from flat broke.

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              Personally I disagree. Actors are very low on the syndication rights compared to the creators/producers/writers etc and it’s pretty much unheard of they get any of the merchandising at all- that’s why they get paid so much for the actual shows. I say again, if the cult managed to get $10m from her all those years ago i can’t believe in a million years they’d settle for less subsequently… only this time they’d fanangle it so it didn’t appear in her tax donations for the public to see. In essence you’re saying that they’re not going to go after ALL her money and let her remain a multi-millionaire… me, I just don’t see it.

            • Ardent

              Media, do you know the story of Audrey Meadows? I’ll bet you do. Now that was one smart cookie!

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              you mean the director of the First National Bank of Denver thing? … I was always more impressed with Hedy Lamarr

            • Ardent

              No…She played Alice Cramden on ‘The Honeymooners’. She auditioned, but Gleason though she was too pretty. So she came back having done her best to look plain. When it came around to salary discussions, when the program began to be taped instead of rotoscoped (?) she said she’d take a reasonable sum, but insisted on a percentage of any of the show’s earnings should episodes be shown again in the future. Good thinking, Audrey!

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              … aaah

            • generic sock account

              That’s not even close to what I’m saying.

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              you said “Well, they’ll do season 27 and maybe 28, and she’s immediately a multimillionaire again. Plus the royalties and back ends they have on sales” … as I’ve explained she has nothing to do with “sales” as she doesn’t have a producer credit and actors without them get peanuts when the show goes to syndication.

              And royalties don’t exist in TV

            • generic sock account

              Yeah, because they get several hundred thousand per episode. She’d be a millionaire after 3 episodes. And I do think they get back end consideration on the older episodes. They re-worked their deals several times a few years back and everyone took a pay cut. Were they not promised royalties and profit splits?

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              Murdoch was adamant that these actors weren’t going to get a cut of the jewel in Foxes crown…. there was a hilarious leaked memo type thing that appeared in Private Eye that could be summed up as “who the fuck to these greedy fuckers think they are?”

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              They have been making $250,000 to $500,000 per episode for the last ten years. She is in every episode.

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              Also, speaking engagements pay bigtime
              http://macraespeakers.com/avada_portfolio/nancy-cartwright/

              She has tons of money.

            • Baby

              If someone has $50 MIllion.. And they spend/ Donate $55 Million.. They are broke.

            • generic sock account

              But nothing Tony has reported indicates that she’s donated THAT much. Last count I read, the Duggans were tops near the $50-60 million dollar level. Of course Nancy is being scammed and being taken for millions of dollars. I just don’t believe she’s been taken for all her dollars. She still has money, and it will keep rolling in. The Simpsons is a cash cow that you obviously can’t appreciate.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I am pretty sure hers is 10 million.

            • generic sock account

              Yeah, that’s a figure I’ve seen here at the Bunker. But you have to imagine she’s donated more since then. I won’t pretend to know exactly how much she’s given; we can just agree it’s way too much. But if she sunk her entire fortune into Scientology, based on the other whale estimates, she’d be the single largest contributor to CoS/IAS. And if that were true, I think that story would’ve been told by now.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Yes i agree its probably more because of all the sec-checking etc… And I am sure Tony would definitely have done a story on it. But I do think she could lose it all if she doesn’t watch it.Thats one of the things I wonder about Cruise also,especially since he is selling his property’s.Miscavige will suck them dry if they let him.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              like her poor boyfriend.

            • Pan-Deterrentism

              I was just going to mention that. If I recall correctly, her boyfriend committed suicide because he was in some huge amount of debt b/c of his donations to the CO$. I wonder why she couldn’t help him with all her millions of dollars?

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yeah he went bankrupt and jumped off a Bridge. I believe that was a message ?I also think it was kept from other scientologist.I can’t remember the lie they told. Tony did a Article on it,and since they surround themselves with Scientologist,are they the ones in charge of their money? so who will they be loyal too? them or the church?

            • Baby

              They don’t call her ” God ” for nothin JSock.. Just sayin..” Governess..” or whatever Lame title they are throwing on her this month..

              AND SHE IS EATING IT UP..

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              The Simpsons may well be a cash cow but unless you get a producer credit actor’s residuals in syndication are way lower than most people think… think peanuts. About 10 years ago all the voice actors threatened a strike with the main contention being an increase AND a bigger chunk of the residuals but Fox stood firm – even going so far as to saying they could be replaced… I mean, Bugs Bunny had numerous people do his voice.

              What the studios did then is offer a huge wage increase… they did this with ‘Friends’ as well. This changed when actors became more savvy and negotiated ‘associate production’ credits which meant they were entitled to that lucrative syndication money. You only have to look at a successful long running show to see all the stars names listed as producers nowadays… ‘House’, {too tired to think and list any more but there are loads}. And as for merchandising, forget it!

              As for money rolling in – whatever she has is literally something transferable… you hear of people signing away “their rights” all the time… I’d bet a pretty penny the cult is the beneficiary and not her.

            • Baby

              I’m not saying I don’t appreciate that she’s making $ JSock.. I’m just saying I think she draining her bank account for Scientology.

              A lot of people are.. We’ve all read about rich people filing for bankruptcy when we thought they were mega rich.

              This ain’t the Hill I want to die on..Trust me.. I was just making conversation..

            • generic sock account

              You don’t want to die on any hill. No one does. Please don’t die on a hill, Baby.

            • Baby

              OK.. Just for you JSock.. I mean I won’t die on a hill.. Not that I would die on a hill for you..

              Oh shit you know what I’m saying.. xox

            • EnthralledObserver

              Sometimes I’m not too sure we do know what you’re saying, Baby… hahaha. But we love you anyway. 😉

            • Baby

              EO.. sometimes I don’t know what I’m saying.. hahaha I love you too.. I do I do

          • One Human

            That person she had to convince may have been a reg.

      • Baby

        You know you can only go to the Well so many times ..before it drys up..

    • Ardent

      How broke is ‘broke’? I feel sorry for guys like Burt Reynolds, as an example – sorry in that ” I can’t believe you blew up your own fortune you idiot!” way. But I would not be surprised if Nancy Cartwright has indeed given tens of millions over to the cult. However, she is assured a steady high income from re-run royalties. So, I don’t feel sorry for her in the monetary arena.

  • outraged

    Our very own Bunker: (refreshed)

    • Baby

      You forgot TONY outraged..hahaa .. He’s been writing and exposing this shit for YEARS..AND YEARS..

      • Lurkness

        +Spanky Taylor, Lawrence Wright and Alex Gibney. Presuming Outraged will be updating as Tony’s series leads up to the premier. Tony, of course, won’t be covering his appearance, so it’s important that we do not forget his Hall membership.

        • Baby

          Oh Yes..Thanks Lurk..you sneaky little monster you..Never and I mean NEVER change your avi..I absolutely love it.. I never know when you are going to POP up..xoxo love baby

      • outraged

        I never forget Tony! I’ve been following him since The Village Voice.

    • Billy Bob

      Presuming four more (YT, AG, LW & TO) I propose adding one more for a total of twelve.

      I think Shelia Nevins, President of HBO Documentaries should be an honorary Bunkeroo since she had a smear vid just for her.

    • Ella Raitch

      One to go…Spanky tonight?

  • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

    Rinder was on Fox?! Why didn’t Greta stop it? Someone’s gonna get sec-checked!

    • Baby

      I would love to be a fly on Fox network’s board room when programming was coming up..hmmmm …

  • Baby

    “So I can’t damn these people who aren’t coming out, who are hiding once
    they come out because they are ashamed,” Haggis says. “I feel the same
    shame.”

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/hbo-documentary-going-clear-tackles-the-question-why-scientology/2223024

    When I have come to points in my life when I felt shame ( Stayed with Abusive man for years and children were in home )

    I remember these words.. It is how I get through the day.. still today..

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    if you haven’t read this you should have a look… pretty damn funny:

    Battlefield Earth screenwriter, J.D. Shapiro apologizes for John Travolta’s mess

    sample:

    “As far as I know, I am the only non-Scientologist to ever be on their cruise ship, the Freewinds. I was a bit of an oddity, walking around in a robe, sandals, smoking Cuban cigars and drinking fine scotch (Scientologists are not allowed to drink while taking courses).

    I also got one of the best massages ever. My friends asked if I got a “happy ending.” I said, “Yes, I got off the ship.”

    http://narcononcanada.com/2015/03/26/battlefield-earth-screenwriter-j-d-shapiro-apologizes-for-john-travoltas-mess/

    • Baby

      OMG.. That is probably the funnies thing I have ever read.. HILARIOUS…I can’t stop laughing..I love his Mother’s review the best… OH God Lush.. funny

    • EnthralledObserver

      Hahahahaha! That WAS a happy ending. *snort*

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      LOL! That was hilarious. Thank you so much for that link!

    • Are_sics

      J.D. did a marvelous, more than gracious acceptance speech for a “Raspberry Award” — for worst picture ever of the decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKlEE18R5d8

      • Ardent

        Ha! Hilarious. I would add this to Dave’s belongings as he’s shoved into his cell.

      • Baby

        sics.. Thank you so much.. This was soooooo worth waiting up for.. xoo love baby.. I love JD. OMG

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      DEAR SITE EDITORS LURKING HERE LOOKING FOR SCIENTOLOGY STORY IDEAS THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS DONE YET …. here’s one:

      track down Forest Whittacker… he’s got 2 movies coming out this year so you can use that as an ‘in’ and gently sidetrack the questions to Battlefield Earth, he must have some doozys!!

      Clicks aplenty guaranteed!

      • Ardent

        Oh, poor Forest! I always feel pity for him when that botched pile of Ron-crud is mentioned. I wonder how he felt about shooting that as time went by with weirdo ‘notes’ from above every day? I know he was happy to get a paying gig: any actor is. But this one…Whoa, Nellie. I’ll bet he felt he’d been horribly conned. It actually angers up my blood somewhat.

        • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

          don’t feel sorry, he’s got an Oscar and tiny tommy hasn’t…. ftr he actually worked with Cruise as a bit part on The Colour of Money (I think many thought Cruise was going to get an Oscar nomination for that one if I remember rightly)… and also with Travolta again on Phenomenon.

          • Ardent

            Hmm. Yes, I see your point. The company you keep, etc.. Curious. Thanks for the info. You are a terrific source of gossip and information. I really appreciate what you bring to the Bunker, if I may say so.

          • Menna

            is your avatar wearing an ass-hat? If so, you are a comic genius and I am laughing.

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              close….ish, a few inches further south if you catch my drift

            • Menna

              Slowly dawning…aaand…lmao!

      • Robert Eckert

        The Nostalgia Critic talking about that role: “…and costarring Forrest Whatafuckamidoinghere”

        • L. C. Spencer

          That Nostalgia Critic 25-minute review of Battlefield Earth review is one of the great achievements of western civilization.

    • Ben Franklin

      Apparently Battlefield earth had many cooks in the Kitchen including David Miscavige himself. Mike and Marty talked about how DM was very closely involved in the making of the movie.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrpMb51joJA

  • what’suppressive

    Hey Bunkeroonies What’sup? If you have a Facebook profile please head on over and give the “Going Clear” page a like/share. Only 133 likes so far. Great way to get the word out.

  • Ardent

    It is simply beyond belief that any school board would allow the scilons into classrooms. They must be dense. Obviously, the cult lies about who they really are, but what happened to due diligence? Damned vile cult! Silly, lazy schools for not checking more carefully. Grrrr.

    • Menna

      I’ve had the same thought. Also, is Miss New York a scientologist? If not, does she understand what she is actually supporting? And what would the Miss New York organization say about this? So many questions.

      • Ardent

        And the lies will come a-flying in the door if you ask a pertinent question.

      • Baby

        Former Miss NY Menna..

        • Menna

          yes! not a very good rep for ny, either way!

          • Baby

            Bleh! You got that right Menna..

  • StudentOfLife

    apologies if this was posted earlier but I didn’t see it. Megyn Kelley does a good job with Rinder. It’s already on Youtube with 167 views and counting in a short time. She even reads emails to her decrying Rinder minutes before the interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ynm-XHpQs&feature=youtu.be

    • Ardent

      I think this is the first time I have enjoyed FOX ‘news’.

      • Baby

        Just in time.. Night sweet Columbo..love baby

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Thank you for the link, I just managed to watch it. Good stuff.
      The fact that this Youtube channel belongs to Les Grossman is a huge bonus.

    • Spackle Motion

      Ugh. She called him “Mark” at the beginning. Good interview and one that got xxx’s (redacted family member’s name) attention (xxx watches way too much Fox News) such that xxx is now emailing others to watch this documentary including colleagues. I feel a little bit justified in the many years of me talking about this topic to xxxx. FYI, xxx has some key Domestic and Foreign Intelligence contacts (a regional head of the CIA is a lifelong friend) that will pay attention.

      This is good. Very good.

    • Kristin Rawls

      At what point does this sort of thing actually become a problem for Greta?

      Compared to other voices on Fox, I sometimes find Megyn’s commentary refreshing. When she does her own thing, she’s really not bad. And she’s more respected among other liberal journalists I know than, well, anyone else at Fox.

  • Ella Raitch

    Everything You Need To Read, Watch And Listen To Before Seeing Scientology Doc ‘Going Clear’
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/26/scientology-guide_n_6934866.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

    Surviving Scientology podcasts get a mention, as does Jenna’s book and ‘The Master’

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Not bad. Surprised she didn’t mention Tony Ortega and The Bunker though.

      • generic sock account

        That sentence was obviously about Tony. She got he and Larry Wright confused, apparently. They do look alike.

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        Hello Dodo, do you know what happened to Jimmy3? I found him to be among the wittiest commenters here and I’ve not seen him post in quite some time. I know I’ve not been lurking as regularly as I would like. I seem to recall that you two had many stimulating interactions. Did I miss something?

        • generic sock account

          I heard some guy wearing a top hat started asking too many questions and Jimmy decided to split.

          • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

            Well, that would explain the lascivious green flyers distributed about the manor.

            • generic sock account

              Of course. Sorry for the confusion. You know I love when you fancy this place up.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              My just deserts for remaining so scarce. I must say, I do enjoy sharing my fancified extra-special magick.

            • generic sock account

              I’ve never believed in magic. I’m not a fool. But magick scares the shit out of me.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Same. Which is why I only share it when I’m wearing socks.

        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

          generic sock account = Jimmy3
          Long boring story.

          • generic sock account

            Also the top hat thing.

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          He dumped me for a sock. Can you believe it?

          • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

            Heavens no! From 3 to one short of a pair. It’s not right, I tell you.
            I called him a lazy sock not too long ago, and now I feel compelled to review that brief interaction for any unmined lulz that went unappreciated.

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!
      • generic sock account

        YOU RUINS IT!!!

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    It’s been killing me to be so busy with work responsibilities that I’ve been unable to keep up with all of the insightful and ribald commentary during this unprecedented time of straight up and vertical bunker expansion.

    A relatively small thing angered me today (and by relatively, I mean relative to, for example, today’s post). It was this HuffPo article (which may have already been discussed today) giving a list of primer material to prepare for Sunday’s Super Bowl. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/26/scientology-guide_n_6934866.html

    Tony is no where mentioned in the article, yet this sentence was: “He has been studying and writing about Scientology for decades and probably knows more about the subject than anyone else outside of the church.”

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

      I noticed that too.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      On a bright side, Tony and his blog is about to get A LOT of link love. And that’s even before his book debut.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Could the timing have been any better? No It Could Not!

  • Baby

    Finally! Night all..I’m yawning.. And it’s getting closer to SUNDAY HBO… I am so excited I can’t sleep..

    The Day we’ve all waited for.. THE TRUTH TO COME OUT !

    ( Well one of the days we’ve waited for.. but THIS is a HUGE STEP.. HUGE..) Yay..

    Yippee Fuckin KI YA…

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Sweet dreams, Baby.

      • Baby

        yawwwwn night sweet Do..xo

    • EnthralledObserver

      Night, bubba! :)

      • Baby

        Night Mate..xo

        • beauty for ashes

          night babydoll!

          • Baby

            Nighhhhhhhhht my beauty..xo zzzzzzzzzzzz

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    2 Days

    • Ella Raitch

      Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

      I’m excited and I’m not even going to get to see it.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        You will, eventually. 😉

      • KNMF

        I bet somebody around here could help you see it within the next two weeks

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          I bet more like within the next 3-4 days.

      • giggler

        Me too, vicarious pleasure, hoping there’ll be a DVD soon

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          You will see it online way before DVD.

          • giggler

            Thanks, will try

      • generic sock account

        You can use my hbo login. But only because I like you.

        • Ella Raitch

          Aren’t you a dear…do you have my email from a few weeks back?

          • generic sock account

            No.

          • generic sock account

            You still there?

      • generic sock

        Hey, I did try to give you my HBOgo login a couple times, but you didn’t reply, so I figured you weren’t interested. I don’t want you to think I slighted you, so here it is if you can find a way to login:

        letswatchtelevision //// t3mp0r4ryp4ss82

        Time Warner is the provider.

        • Ella Raitch

          Thanks – it’s been mad round here. Is this on demand with HBO Go – or do I have to wait for a scheduled time? Have been searching torrent sites on and off today thinking that would be the easiest way, but nada. Just about to finish work. First order of the day, Gong Clear (if I can) or Walking Dead finale and can I do both in time for the next post?Must…remember…to…breathe….

          Thanks very much for the access to your account – scrub your message now if you like – I have saved the deets – cheers Jimmy Sock

          • generic sock

            Now that it’s on there, you can stream it any time. But again, people overseas have been saying they can’t login unless they use an American proxy/VPN. Luckily, there are plenty of free proxy services that will get you an American IP.

            • Ella Raitch

              I downloaded it. I am relieved. Too late to watch tonight so will watch it tonight (with Mr Raitch if he can be persuaded). Thanks once again for the offer of your HBO!

    • KNMF

      2 Days, and David Miscavige still won’t talk.
      http://i59.tinypic.com/144g0l.jpg

      • Baby

        He should be..

        Can’t sleep sigh.. so I’m up till I pass out.. xo

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Friday the 27th of March
    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,
    Removals: SFBay is leading followed by LA, Seattle and Vancouver.
    The Daily Blues tag has been removed until it sorts itself (1 week).

    Do not forget you daily vote for the Wounded Warriors and the Puppies & Kittens : http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa
    Consider joining this petition to revoke co$ tax exempt status: https://www.change.org/p/i-r-s-revoke-the-tax-exempt-status-of-the-church-of-scientology

    RedX Tips and links at wwp: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-119#post-2519486
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    (F5, …for) Fanart by CRS enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15579043642/in/set-72157642802079293

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Hi, Pierrot!

      • Pierrot

        Morning Dodo

    • Robert Eckert

      Regional 7-Day count down to 550? It’s frequently been over 800 during this every-day-is-Thursday push of the last couple weeks (of course that included a bunch of counter-ads and things already marked as flagged out). The new batch on the Daily Wip tab were mostly purple for me (old ads renewed because they were in danger of timing out) with only a smattering of blues. Whoever’s been pressing them constantly to keep up the Craigslisting must have started pressuring them to do something else instead.

      • Pierrot

        Remember that I lost the whole DailyWip 2 days ago and could only recover 4 days out of 7, so the Regional list (which is refreshed daily by the DailyWip) lost 2 days, but it will rebuild itself back to seven days by Sunday!
        Sorry about the booboo and I still think that they are keeping the clams busy on CL. Even if CL does not really help the “body routing”, for them it is now a matter of confront & shatter, they will not give up!

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    Friday is a fun day.

  • aquaclara

    Sophie Gilbert’s story in the Atlantic is very well done. I enjoyed reading this -she was able to cover a lot of ground. And I love seeing the side-by-side photos of the Ideal Org.

    Nice collection of comments to counter the Scibots, too.

  • madame duran

    Joy Villa is doing better at fundraising than Meghan FAIL-koff. Imagine that.

  • Baby

    I am waiting patiently for Celebrities to quickly denounce all connections to Scn. I’m NOT saying they’ll Blow.. but let’s just say we are going to be seeing a lot of ” I dabbled.. I studied a variety of different religions..I took a course or two.. I stopped a few months ago..

    Yeah, my family is involved, but had no idea what was going on… ETC..ETC..ETC..
    Lining up PR as I speak..

    The silence will soon be broken by many of those that are NOT A listers..

    • Kristin Rawls

      So basically the Neil Gaiman strategy?

      • Baby

        Exactly Kristin.. ha good example..

        • MaxSpaceman

          Baby- you posted that very cool painting of yours just today. Is that your name as signatory? Do you want it seen? I guess so I don’t know … just askin’ , kiddo. — Max.

          • Baby

            Max..first I love your avi.. I had one with signature and one without.. I thought Fuck it..

            They know who I am.. I’ve been outed a couple of times..and when I go to Clearwater..Ohhh they come looking for us.. xoxo You are so sweet.. thank you honey..

            • MaxSpaceman

              Okay, kiddo:) Are you on Facebook? I’ll send you an invite :)

            • Baby

              No.. I did the FB route..and it didn’t work out for me. But thank you anyway..xoxoxox

            • MaxSpaceman

              and I really love your art. (This one is very cool :) I hope you are painting and showing in Galleries and selling things! You are so talented and people ‘love’ your work. I recall you saying that you don’t have any canvases anymore, only pictures of some of your work…. Do I have that right? Kid- you ‘have to’ paint and sell your work! No ?

              Plus I have wanted to say to you since you posted it, that picture of you in the lavender bikini, how gorgeous you looked. Dear heart, you stunned! In the sun! :)

            • MaxSpaceman
            • Baby

              OMG.. I love you.. Awwww so sweet of you.. Oh Youth IS wasted on the young..eh?

              You know Max.. My art is so personal to me. I worked myself through the grief of my twin.. I was obsessed..I painted around the clock. Never had formal training.

              I just woke up as an artist one day after praying for peace .. Jude came to me and told me to” do something with my life.”

              So for 4 years I painted hundreds..sold in galleries, on line.. art shows.. just 24/7 and then one day.. I had 10 consignment orders and I said to my husband..

              ” I’m done. ” Haven’t picked up a brush since. I have no desire to..It is weird. I can’t explain it.. It’s like I’m back to living again. It was an escape for me.

              A month ago a new gallery contacted me to display and sell my art again. I went with a friend to see what it was about..and half way through the presentation…I excused myself and said to my friend..

              ” I can NOT go through that again..I can NOT go backwards. My painting was such a therapeutic experience that I put my heart and soul into ..I just can’t do it again..

              I left a part of me in each work. I continue to get asked to paint something.. and I can’t.. I know it sounds crazy.. and it is I guess.. I just can’t tap into that creative frenzy of release again..

              I can’t paint for the fun of it…or the $ side of it.. It is either all of me or none of me..

              Maybe one day.. when I have to take that journey again through pain.. I don’t know.. thank you so much for your compliments. They mean the world to me. xoxox love baby

            • MaxSpaceman

              Amazing, kiddo. That your talent is connected so to your therapeutic need to deal w/ the trauma of losing your sister. And that it doesn’t stand alone as something you love to do as you.

              I imagine similar has happened to others, yet yours is the 1st I’ve ever heard. I get it tho’, who needs it anymore… not you, is your answer. That is good.

              Yes, dear heart — I was gorgeous/handsome too — youth ‘is’ wasted on the young. :-/

            • Baby

              “Yes, dear heart — I was gorgeous/handsome too — youth ‘is’ wasted on the young.”
              …………………………………………..

              Hahahha.. Well, all we have to do is close our eyes and we will see ourselves again..

              I wouldn’t trade what I have learned in the last 40 years for anything! ( and I’m sure you wouldn’t either..)
              ………..
              Max..It is weird.. and I don’t know how to explain it.. I needed to get absolutely lost in my art.. My brain would just turn off the pain and I would put my hand on the brush and I wouldn’t stop for days..

              and when I was finished I was absolutely emotionally and physically drained. I would have 4-5 canvases going on at once.. Once I was done with a painting I couldn’t believe that I created it.

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-zara/tortured-artists_b_1605509.html

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes, I get it now. It is an incredible thing. That when it’s over, it is o ver.

              :->)

              Wouldn’t trade the last 45 years for nothing either is right, Kiddo. I ‘never’ ever believed I’d get thru all the trauma — not the death of a twin, but my own dark passages — to the extent I have. Am enjoying life as never before. Who knew? that it could happen? A basic contentment with life and who we are …

              Thank Meepthorp ! hahahahahahahaha :)

            • Baby

              Hahahahha Meepthorp..Hilarious..haha

              I hope I didn’t give you the impression that I was comparing myself to other Tortured souls.. the Creative Geniuses of the world. Just me. But when I read the link I thought.. OMG..

              I thought I was the only one. Yes it was like Forrest Gump who Ran until he stopped..and didn’t want to run anymore..ha..

              I am sorry for your dark passages Max.. but look at you now. It is amazing how struggles make us strong.. and what the human mind can endure. smooches.. baby

  • Ella Raitch

    So I’m thinking we’ll have Spanky’s story today/tonight

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Good call.

  • Kristin Rawls

    First time I’ve ever gone to Freedom Magazine’s website. So, I guess the Church now has my IP address on file. In any case, yes, I found the article about reading books very weird. But I did go to the video of Ashley, and frankly she’s not coming off as a very effective Fair Gamer. Basically, she sounds like a grown-ass woman who’s mad that she can’t live rent-free from her mother for the rest of her life. She sounds entitled. The rent issue is actually her first talking point. Did I miss something?

    Other thoughts on the video: Ha, the ominous music and poorly produced reenactments make Fox News look like sophisticated journalism.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paIgd_lvAuI&feature=share Ginger Sugerman

    Corp of $cientology is ruthless !!! Pitting children against parents and siblings !!! Yet in their Way To Happiness Booklet it says ” Love and Honor your Parents “. Being a mother who has experienced disconnection and knowing Sarah SHE IS A WONDERFUL MOTHER !!!! I admire the incredible strength it takes to endure this suffering. I’m so disgusted at the cult using her daughter in those video’s. What RELIGION DOES THIS _hit ? NONE !!

  • woodrose

    testing.

    Alex Gibney on Twitter: "Tomorrow night 8pm EST on HBO, #GoingCLear my film on Scientology from Lawrence Wright's book.Welcome church members! http://t.co/7B0F1J85CB"

  • woodrose
  • Momof3Boys621

    Ok. This is probably the most heartbreaking of the Going Clear stories, because I’m a “Momof3Boys” (duh!). I also know it is one of hundreds of horrific disconnection stories that are just the same. I did NOT want to watch the Freedom Media Ethics video about Sara, but broke down and watched it.

    My comments are this: Ashley talks about not wanting to be associated with her brother bc he was an addict and alcoholic, but wouldn’t most family members (& their religious organizations) want to try and help that person, not shun them? On a sarcastic note, why didn’t Ashley try to get her brother into a Narconon facility? I mean, aren’t the Scientologists the best equipped group to get people sober? Later, when she talks about her mom using her picture and that of her daughter, the hate in her voice is extremely disturbing to me. That the hold they have on Ashley’s mind is so strong it can break the bonds of a mother and daughter — it’s unfathomable to me.Lastly, Sara: please do not ever watch the video-it’s just too sad.

    God (or whoever) Bless each and every one of you that were sucked into this terrible Cult, and be thankful you made it out. Now… everyone must turn their attention to those still in. How do we get them out?! They are prisoners, but I’m freaked out by the fact that they don’t think they’re prisoners, and it’s extremely difficult to get to them and convince them otherwise. Sign me up for whatever: marches, letter campaigns, petitions, whatever it takes.

    • Sara Goldberg

      Momof3Boys – I loved what you had to say here and I so appreciate it. I am not going to watch the video. I want to always remember my daughter before disconnection happened to us. I want to remember the love we shared as I know the hate (trademark of the Church of Scientology) is not from her. It is unfathomable to me as well who they turned her against me. Something I never thought would happen. I have much compassion for her and everyone still trapped in the church’s prison of belief. Please ask Tony for my email address. I would love to talk with you more.

      • Momof3Boys621

        Thank you for responding! I’m sure you are so busy. So sorry — realized this morning that I discuss specific details of the video… and then told you not to watch it – dumb! When I first posted, I didn’t realize you were commenting here. Anyways… I live just outside Washington, DC, so if there’s ever any sort of protest or Congressional hearing, I will be there for support. I’m a “never-in”, so can’t add to any testimony, but sympathize with all of you as a parent and human being.

  • barkway

    I have sympathy for Goldberg’s pain…but she chose to raise her kids inside that cult. Sadly, she’s now paying the price for that.

  • Ann

    I’m very interested to know how Greta at fox is dealing with her “church ” being discussed ?
    I’m amazed at what I thought was an intelligent women falling for a sham like this … I cant bring myself to watch her reporting any longer … No trust

  • Ann

    When will the FBI start treating this like the organized crime it is ?
    Get the hell in there

  • Keith Wheatland

    I watched Going Clear last night. I found it very difficult to have any empathy for Sara Goldberg regarding her daughter. Let’s face it she was responsible for the cult getting their claws into her.

  • http://www.painmaps.com/ Jessica Mendes

    Tony, I am wondering if there is a way to pass a message on to Sara Goldberg? How is she receiving letters of support? I was blown away by her courage of heart in the documentary and hold great admiration for her. If there is a way to get a letter to her, please advise.

  • http://www.painmaps.com/ Jessica Mendes

    Okay, I see on further reading that Sara is responding to some of these messages. Sara, I would love to make contact with you, and offer you my full support, perhaps even help you to get your message out — I have some ideas. Please do let me know (somehow) if this is possible. Thanks!

    • Sara Goldberg

      Hi Jessica – Thank you. I would welcome speaking with you and hearing your ideas. Tony has my permission to share my email address with you. If you email him and reference this I’m sure he will pass it on to you. I look forward to speaking with you Jessica.

      • http://www.painmaps.com/ Jessica Mendes

        Thanks Sara. I’ve sent several emails to Tony, hopefully he will forward them to you!

  • DKR

    Sara needs to contact Leah Remini who has come out of the “Science Closet” also. This cult needs to be exposed and burned out of history. Hubbard was a devil and said so in his own words. These people need to be shown truth and those who stay are only in it for greed. Sara needs to pray to God for the lives of her children and grandchildren!

  • Ruby Marlowe

    When it comes to Rondroids all I see are delusional manic people who believe that doing nonsensical repetitive actions and engaging in dangerous pseudo-medicine are making them into X-Men. The outside world knows you’re not gods, you never will be, and Slappy McSavage knows that too. Where’s the telekinesis and telepathy you OT 7s and 8s have? I read OT 3, I don’t have pneumonia. Your technobabble makes you sound no different than fanboys at an anime convention, I wish you exes and “freezoners” would drop it. Any Britcom fan knows that wog is an acronym for “Worldly Oriental Gentleman”, a racist slur used against Indians during the British Raj. You should also know that the rank of Commodore is only an honorary title in the US Navy. Lucky Pierre sounded like an ass from the Edwardian era when he told Matt Lauer (another arrogant ass) to “get his manners in”- exactly the same time L. Con was born. I really like that “sheep dipping” crap you people spout when your dear leader’s military record (900 pages) is produced- and so available to the “slave” public- George Smiley he was not. But you know what’s unfortunately real? The family and friends you shun because you believe they’re degraded Italian ice-colored dust bunnies that will spread negatory vibes keeping you from your telekinetic powers. Feeling super yet? But you haven’t spent $100k yet for a smell wall, I’m sure that will fix it.