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Meet the New Editor of Scientology’s Propaganda Magazine, Freedom!

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Hey, everyone, the Church of Scientology went and hired a kickass journalist to be the new editor of its humorous house organ, Freedom magazine!

It’s John Sugg, a name that’s pretty well known in the part of Florida where Scientology has one of its headquarters. It’s an exciting choice, as we’ll explain.

Last night, St. Petersburg, Florida blogger Peter Schorsch noted that he’d received a copy of the “re-launched” Freedom magazine, which he said arrived this week. He provided an image of the magazine’s masthead, to show his discovery.

 
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As Schorsch pointed out, Sugg’s name on top of that masthead is a surprise. “Sugg made quite a name for himself in these parts with his criticism of the local media, specifically the St. Petersburg Times,” Schorsch wrote.

We’re excited to hear that Freedom is getting a relaunch. For some reason, perhaps because its main correspondent went to his reward, Freedom has had a pretty lean publishing schedule. In fact, we’re pretty sure it’s only put out two issues in the last two years. There was the classic, over-the-top broadside at Paul Haggis, Lawrence Wright, and The New Yorker that provided endless laughs when it was handed out by volunteers outside the Conde Nast building in Manhattan in 2011. And then, about a year later, and with no fanfare, out slithered an issue with a lot of rehashed material about “Kingpin Rathbone” and his “militia cult.” It was an issue titled “The Posse of Lunatics” and it smeared former church executives Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Jefferson Hawkins, Tom DeVocht, Amy Scobee, Steve Hall, and Marc & Claire Headley, as well as actor Jason Beghe. (Also featured on the cover were former church members Christie Collbran and director Paul Haggis, and a woman who has never been in the church, Monique Rathbun.)

 
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[Bonus points if you can figure out who’s who in the cover illustration.]

 
If you think that cover is a bit much, this is the sort of prose that was inside…

They’re misfits and drifters to a man, but in reality the Posse is nothing more than a half-dozen or so embittered apostates. And instead of riding the range, they sashay from one reporter to the next with a saddlebag of self-corroborated stories to vindicate themselves for having been excommunicated from the Church. It all began with a pair of tabloid newspaper reporters to whom the Posse recited a litany of well-rehearsed allegations. Every one of their fabrications was subsequently exposed and disproved. Whereupon the Posse simply thunk up a passel of new stories and moved on.

Believe us when we say it only gets better as it goes along. Anyway, after we read yesterday that the magazine had been relaunched under Sugg, we asked some of our Clearwater correspondents to hunt down a copy, but had no luck. And for some reason, Freedom‘s website is still showing the old “Posse of Lunatics” issue and hasn’t been updated. What gives? Has this new magazine hit the streets or not?

Then, with a little searching, we found what appears to be John Sugg’s first byline in his new magazine. It apparently showed up a few days ago on Psychsearch.net, a website run by a man named Ken Kramer. Sugg’s piece explores a familiar theme for Scientology publications: the evil of psychiatric drugs, in this case that their deadly effect is undercounted by the government. Here’s a taste of it…

What is less known is that many psychiatric drugs also contribute to large numbers of deaths, but those fatalities are not tallied in many official reports. It took the efforts of Ken Kramer, an investigator from Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a psychiatric watchdog group established by the Church of Scientology in 1969, to spotlight the undercounting of drug-related deaths. Based on information obtained under Florida’s Public Records Law, Kramer concluded that because certain drug-related deaths are not recorded under the state’s current system, the problem was much worse than reported by the medical examiners’ study or by media reports.

Hey, no wonder Kramer posted the story on his own website! Wouldn’t you? (Kramer made an appearance earlier this year at Mike Rinder’s blog.)

Scientology has a virulent hatred for the psychiatric industry (which, for its part, pretty much ignores Scientology, a tiny organization that has no effect on the medical or mental health communities). Its front group the Citizens Commission on Human Rights lobbies against psychiatric drugs (a soft target), but also pushes the idea that psychiatrists caused the Holocaust, and it does so with gruesome exhibits at its macabre Hollywood funhouse on Sunset Boulevard, “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death Museum.”

So it looks like Sugg has settled in nicely. As for his background, Sugg has written that he started with the Palm Beach Post in 1970, and then worked for The Miami Herald, Atlanta Constitution, American Lawyer, Tampa Tribune and then moved to alternative newsweeklies in 1995, joining Weekly Planet in Tampa, which became Creative Loafing Tampa when it joined the CL group. Then, in 2001, he was moved to Atlanta to become the editor in chief of the Creative Loafing mothership. By 2008, however, he retired from the business, saying he was going to start a think tank. On the way out the door, he bemoaned the state of alt-weeklies (oh, 2008, we hope we never see the likes of you again — we can relate, John, we really can). In 2011, a business called Think Atlanta Consulting was started, and it’s still the company Sugg lists on his LinkedIn profile.

Over his career, Sugg was known for being a hard-nosed truthteller. Let’s take a look at a few of his more recent pieces.

A 2003 piece for Creative Loafing (Atlanta) about a shoddy piece of terrorism reporting that had gotten 60 Minutes sued…

The venerable news program touts as its hallmark an abundance of diligent research…With the media flagellating itself over credibility problems following the Jayson Blair meltdown at The New York Times, the use of anonymous sources is risky territory. Readers and viewers suspect that accounts from such sources are often embellished.

— A well-written 2005 Mother Jones story on the Christian Reconstruction movement in the South that profiled a man, Gary DeMar, who urged Christians to take over American government…

DeMar told me that among Reconstructionists he is considered something of a liberal, because he’d execute gays only if they were caught indulging in sodomy. “I’m happy to just drive them back into the closet,” he said.

A 2010 piece for Creative Loafing Tampa about self-styled terrorism expert and anti-Islam extremist Steve Emerson…

Over the years, while a Weekly Planet and Creative Loafing editor, I had a great deal of fun exposing Emerson, and the prevarications by Fechter and the federal government. I tried to put into context what the anti-Muslim crusaders were up to. I joined a rather elite cadre of journalists that had tangled with Emerson — including famed investigative reporters Seymour Hersh, Robert I. Friedman and Robert Parry, who provided me with insight into Emerson’s real agenda.

(Some of Sugg’s stories about Emerson involved a Palestinian-American professor who was being demonized by conservative media. Sugg’s investigations into the matter put him on the FBI’s radar, and resulted in the entertaining cover at the top of the page.)

— A 2012 comeback to Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, who had demeaned Georgia Common Cause, of which Sugg was apparently a member. It appears in the form of an open letter on the Common Cause website…

You have attacked Common Cause members since our first meeting with you last summer, and you have stiff-armed any material efforts to discuss “pay to play” and collaborate on ethics reform. While claiming “transparency,” you have caused the airport procurement to be totally opaque. Finally, in desperation as well-founded media reports focused on the appearance of favoritism in the airport procurement, you have attacked Common Cause members, including me.

Fearless, thorough, and concise, Sugg is just the kind of guy to whip any flagging publication into shape. But Freedom?

This is going to be fun to watch.

 
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Supreme Court Watch

Today, the U.S. Supreme court will be sifting through more than 850 petitions for its next session. We’re told that only about 15 to 20 will be chosen, but the Church of Scientology is hoping that its petition is one of the lucky few. It’s asking the court to intervene in the lawsuit filed by Laura DeCrescenzo, who is suing the church over her treatment as a Sea Org member, including, she alleges, being forced to have an abortion at only 17. A California superior court judge ordered Scientology to fork over 18,000 pages of evidence that was collected during Laura’s auditing and interrogations. After multiple appeals, the church finally did turn over the documents in the four-year legal battle. But Scientology is asking the Supreme Court to declare California’s law governing priest-penitent privilege unconstitutional so it can prevent Laura from using the documents. Although records were kept of what Laura said in sessions (unlike Catholic confessionals, which are verbal and only to one priest), the church shared that material with some 259 “ministers.” And although it’s the penitent — Laura — who has waived the privilege and wants the documents, Scientology says it’s suffering discrimination because its method of writing down what people confess to and then sharing it with many church officials differs from Catholic confession. (Critics note that the church is complaining about its religious rights being violated when it’s really just trying to keep hidden records of the awful things it does to employees, particularly young women.)

We’re told that it might be a full week before the court publishes a list of the petitions that it’s decided to consider. But if there’s a way we can get the news earlier, we’ll get it to you.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 30, 2013 at 07:00

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  • 1subgenius

    Mottoes are for sissies, but here’s two:

    We are all whores, and we’re just quibbling about the price.

    Don’t touch shit, even with gloves on.

    Sometimes it’s hard to understand why people do what they do. And today only John knows why.
    It’s easy to say you wouldn’t throw a puppy off a building for a million dollars, when it’s only hypothetical money.
    All of us are perfect people, hypothetically.
    There isn’t one of us who can truly say what we would do if we were actually John Sugg. So don’t even pretend to try. Like that crazy Viet Nam vet says, “Cuz you weren’t there, man!”

    But hey, “Let’s lynch him!” “Anybody got any lynch?”

    (Bonus points if anyone got the reference, and no it’s not to the ironic coincidence of the last Freedom editor’s name)

    Don’t yell at me, I’m climbing off my soap-box now. Trying to lower my own target profile.

    One more stupid motto: Forgive your enemies. Nothing irritates them so much.

    And one last request: Please pretend I deleted this before posting it. I know I’ll probably regret it. I do already.
    I already deleted one.

    • Eclipse-girl

      While I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, would you be disappointed, perhaps angry, if our fearless leader (Tony O) took this job?

      Perhaps Sugg needs a lot of money quickly. Perhaps he or a relative has cancer , and no health insurance.

      • Robert Eckert

        But Obamacare is going to fix all that!

        • 1subgenius

          And you were on a roll.
          You had to go there? Really?
          BTW, scratch the brothers groove off the gig on thursday.
          Trouble in the crib, in both senses of the term.

          • Robert Eckert

            An exchange on FB about the ongoing face-off: “Our civilization is in decline. Expect the Goths and Vandals shortly.” — “They’ve been here a while. The Goths have all turned Emo and won’t do shit except serve me a goddamned latte.” — “And the Vandals need a job to buy their spray-cans. You want fries with that?”

      • 1subgenius

        The two paragraphs are somewhat incongruous.
        1. Yes. As I am with Sugg, or anyone who would take the job.
        2. Kind of the point of my post.

        • Eclipse-girl

          yes, it was the point of your post.

          It is very hard to keep the immediate visceral emotional reaction out of these comments.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Thats Ok, we inadvertently argue with people to help them make their own point around here all the time.

      • TXCowgirl

        “Perhaps he or a relative has cancer , and no health insurance.” Perfect.
        Walter White is to Meth as John Sugg is to Freedom/$cientology

    • Robert Eckert

      The full exchange is “String him up!” — “Anybody got any string?” — “Lynch him!” — “Anybody got any lynch?” from Firesign Theater.

      • 1subgenius

        Man, you are old.
        How old?
        I bet you don’t buy unripe bananas.

      • KJP in Portland

        Off Topic: I loved their “Climate Control” track on their album back in the 70s!

        • Robert Eckert

          How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You’re Not Anywhere At All?

      • 1subgenius

        Hey Phil Proctor has done Scientology gigs. Maybe there’s some insane unconscious relevance here.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Have you Read the Freedumb Mag? Ever? Amy Scobee was Ridiculed in that rag with insinuations about her rape as a teenager in the Sea Org and done so in ways I will Not repeat here. How much would you say the going rate for That evil slime would be?

      What would you say if the Next Freedumb Rag was all about Your family and filthy, lewd lies and smears lined every disgusting page?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I agree times a thousand. But I think he is talking about Sugg, as opposed to Freedum,…. and we don’t know what this new Freedom is going to look like…………yet.
        I am not so sure of this man’s motivations to do this. If the guy is any type of journalist worth his salt, he cannot be immune to what has been happening with Scientology in the last few years.

        This may end of being one of the last greatest footbullets Davey ever makes if this guy ends up keeping his spine intact.

        Something about this whole thing smells funny.

        • Espiando

          I’m thinking the same. This guy’s an old-school troll with long experience in alt-weeklies. A lot of alt-weeklies have a long tradition of hard-hitting investigative journalism (the Chicago Reader has always been fantastic in this regard). If he was able to use his vendetta against the always-will-be SP Times to get in with Scientology in order to expose them from the inside, it would be a last blast of trolldom before he retires.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            BAAAHAAAHAAA.
            He is probably already one of Tony O’s sources.
            OK, I am happy with my conclusion and am sticking with it unless someone can convince me otherwise.

            Anybody read any good books lately?

            • jmh

              The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Fascinating read about the woman whose cells started the revolution of cell culture in the 1950s. Couldn’t put it down.

              Jenna Hill’s book is up next on my roster.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              “The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks”

              One of the finest books I have read in the last couple of years.
              I couldn’t put it down either. The author has done a follow up on her blog (or an article).

              Here is one for you:
              Self Comes to Mind ~Antonio Damasio

            • jmh

              Thanks! I will definitely try that one. :)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Jenna’s book is going to make you really, really angry. just sayin.

        • Jon Hendry

          I think it’s exactly what it looks like. An older guy, in a dying industry, desperate for work, agrees to work for Scientology rather than working at Home Depot or Walmart.

          If he’s desperate enough to take their money, he’s desperate enough to do what they ask in order to keep the paychecks coming.

      • 1subgenius

        Actually I think I’d ignore it and not get too upset, cuz it has a circulation of about 32.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          You really think it is that high?

          • 1subgenius

            Benefit of the doubt.

      • Espiando

        I’d do what Anons started doing when they got Avagrams in 2008: frame it and take it to protests as a badge of honor. If they’re willing to go beyond the pale to get to you, you’re definitely doing something right.

    • ze moo

      There are few devotees of the Firesign Theater left. Your quote is appropriate to the circumstances.

  • RMycroft

    Happy Blasphemy Day everyone!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_Day

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Back atcha!

      Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • sister wendy

      love that this day exists

    • Captain Howdy
      • Bury_The_Nuts

        lol…..That was a meme before meme’s existed.

        Edit: Thanks again to Richard Dawkins!!!

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • ze moo

      Love that shoop.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        We in RTC expect John Sugg to publish a series of hard-hitting exposes on why Psych attacks against Emperor Miscavige the Imperious are on the rise!

        With so much at stake, Mr. Sugg must step in and do battle with the Planetary forces of Suppression seeking to suppressively suppress the Church of Scientology!

        All of you Marcab Psychs on this hater blog will be exposed! Better pack up and leave town before you are “Sugged” in the pages of Freedom Magazine!

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Should we Marcab Psychs make sure our patients have been admitted to the care of other psychs first, or just pack up and leave?

          not waiting for a reply im gone

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Just leave town and send us a list of your patients. We will have a Flag courtesy van pick them up. Once they arrive at Flag we will immediately put them on the Psych Repair Rundown.

            • Eclipse-girl

              and they will end up like Lisa?

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Only if COB C/S’s them.

        • Jgg2012

          OT8, why do you care about unemployed bloggers on the fringe of the internet? You should be more concerned with Spencer revealing the corporate shell in Coral County Texas. The judge already suspects it’s not a “religion” and who knows what he will say next.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Captain Miscavige’s problem is precisely all of you unemployed bloggers on the fringes of the internet! The only way any of you people get by is welfare, food stamps, and the $75 per day Big Pharma pays you. Just wait until John Suggs does a scathing expose on the whole wretched lot of you Dangerous Wogs!

            http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/Freedom1_zps5e7de85f.png

            • Jgg2012

              OT8, the Sea Org is getting better, based on that photo. Now, as to Big Pharma: it’s $75 per word, so some of us are almost able to buy their products! We certainly are not begging or eating rice and beans.

            • GlibWog

              Fragile X Syndrome.. I have worked with many.. Interesting actually..
              I worked with 3 brothers in one family at one time.. Man you should have seen them fight..
              They were in there 40’s

            • Missionary Kid

              Doctors used to put a notation on a kid’s medical records: FLK. This was before genetic testing as well as political correctness. It stood for Funny Looking Kid, meaning that there was something off about a kid’s looks and development.

            • GlibWog

              Oh Absolutely Kid.. They stopped doing it because more and more people wanted to see their medical records..

              I worked in a home for Unmarried woman.. Years ago.. but anyway they celebrated their 100th anniversary in the community..( Florence Crittenton Home) and they showed us all the records from back then..

              The questions were hilarious.. ” Why did the Woman Fall From Grace?

              Where were her parents when she fell ? ( I guess she was dancing around and fell on a Penis ..)

              Was her hymen Broken ( No shit Sherlock)

              Did she bleed if her hymen was broken.. ( OK she is pregnant.. Who cared if she bled?) That is just nosey..

              We read these old charts like the National Enquirer..

            • aquaclara

              Those poor girls…. What a reminder about life back then….

            • GlibWog

              Can you imagine?.. We weren’t laughing at the girl or situation.. but the Staff’s Notes and question.. Sooooooooooo Ludicrous Aqua.. OMG …

              Most relinquished custody because of the shame. … When I worked in Mental Health at the facility it had turned into a parenting facility for girls with Special Needs. Society barely yawns now when a girl gets pregnant at 16..

              But we had age 12 to 18.. many because of incest/ rape..I was the Parenting Instructor/ counselor.

            • Casabeca

              Wow Glibby! I can hardly imagine. Tells us more, please.

            • GlibWog

              Cas.. You would like to know more about the ” Olden Days ” or the 90’s when I was there..?

              It ended up closing ..but we were getting really difficult population.. from all over the US…
              One of the girls delivered a baby while she was handcuffed to the bed.

              I spent a majority of my time going to court for the particular State the child was a ” Ward.”

              For example if the young lady had a strong family support system that could assist her with parenting ..a desire to parent and strong bonding..I would recommend that the mother continue parenting.

              They were at our residential center while pregnant and then after their baby was born for a year.

              I would have a mother ( 12) sucking her thumb with her baby on her lap sucking her thumb.. I am NOT kidding..

              We had one building.. divided into two sides.. The One for Pregnant teenagers..and when they delivered they moved over to the other side with the baby..

              I loved that job so much.. I was there for 6-7 years until it closed : /

              We had a school for the teens and a nursery for the babies..

              We would also get a teen who say had a toddler .. and had to be taken care of by the state. We weren’t a State facility we were a Non Profit..United Way Private Funding..

            • Casabeca

              Wow Glibby! I hope we meet someday, I love to learn from the past and hear the stories. You could give us a daily anecdote, I would love it!
              Sometimes I think that, when $ci fails, we can have an open ended advice column. For instance my training is in child dev and music. John P could help with finances, kemist with chemistry, monkey with music and Salish customs, etc. SpF just helped me as a dear friend was dying, just in the last couple weeks.
              Wouldn’t it be fun to share a problem and have all these kind, smart alec, funny and dear Bunkerites to chime in?
              Love ya miss Glibby!

            • GlibWog

              Cassie.. I dream one day that Tony will have a Bunker Convention.. After his Book comes out.. I am going to bring it up ..

              Child development and music.. ? No wonder we get along so beautifully.. Awwwwwww I love you too sweet Cas..

              PS … I think we will all be here long after Sci fails.. xoxo

            • Poison Ivy

              Two words. Magdelene Laundries (Ireland.)

            • Missionary Kid

              As bad as the Florence Crittendon Homes for unwed mothers were, they were far from the evil of the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland, and the recently exposed Catholic home in Canada.

              IMO, while the people who ran the Crittendon homes were rigid in their thinking, and they evolved, the nuns who ran the Magdalene Laundries and a recently revealed home in Canada, were zelots and sadists.

              Edit: I should have said that “As bad as the Florence Crittendon Homes were at one time, they were…

            • Missionary Kid

              Refresh to see my correction.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Glibby…I remember you saying you worked in the Mental health industry for LONG TIME> (30 years???) You could probably teach us a LOT

            • GlibWog

              Yes I have Super Powers Bury..

              I’m so old I was Oiled before DM ever came up with a table for it..

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              One is only old once time has dulled their wit, and this comment proves that you are still sharp, Glib.

            • GlibWog

              Ohhh Jimmy… I knew I liked you for a reason..

              Everyone has a chose you can grow old or older.. I choose the latter… ; )

            • Poison Ivy

              My big pharma check was $85 this month.
              Possibly because of a record number of Entheta postings on the Bunker, they gave me a much deserved $10 raise.

        • RMycroft
    • Narapoid

      Love ya OTVIII!

    • Observer

      The noggin-to-petite-physique ratio is just about dead on.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Obs: Like Tom Cruise and his emphasis on exact incisor teeth dimensions, so too must we in RTC correctly depict COB’s “noggin-to-petite-physique ratio” as you so aptly call it. We accomplished this task by immersing COB in a vat of goop and making a life-size casting of his meat body.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          You know..like, you just, know.

          • Observer

            Ack!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              sorry…no, really.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Yes really.

          • sister wendy

            I wonder if his teeth placement offsets the amount of kernels that get stuck in between when he eats corn?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              on the “COB”

              Oh I just totally grossed myself out! BLEECH!!!

            • sister wendy

              I couldn’t go there- nearly did, but then I thought…let’s see who picks that up! You win! Have a cocktail!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I am ….or I would NOT have been able to go there.

            • Rita Gregory

              Ewwwwww!

            • Captain Howdy

              COB gourmet popcorn picked from the stool of the world’s #1 Star

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I WILL GET YOU FOR THAT ONE!
              WE ALL WILL GET YOU FOR THAT ONE!!!

              Edit: and thanks…I have a easy gag reflex………..and you actually set it off.

            • sister wendy

              Bwaahhahahaa but really- so gross!

            • Rita Gregory

              Double Ewww!

            • KJP in Portland

              Like Churchill’s ‘Blenheim’…Cruise’s ‘Andersonville’, sheesh!

            • GlibWog

              HOWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDY… YOU QUIT IT RIGHT NOW..AND I MEAN IT..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              THANK U!!!!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              If it’s OK for yuppies to enjoy the poo beans of civet cats why can’t COB enjoy the cornholio related deliciousness of TC’s ass? Don’t be a bigot.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              lets us salute to potato juice you PITA!!!

            • GlibWog

              I do not know what that means.. am I supposed to? hahahhahaa

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              No, just walk away…

            • Captain Howdy

              Forget it, Glib. It’s Howdytown.

            • GlibWog

              OKey Dokey Smokey…

              Up yur Butt with a Pizza Hut ( how old is that..hahhahahah)

            • GlibWog

              OMG.. I am sickin Bury on you MR. ..

              I am so grossed out now.. I am not kidding.. ( and I’m not a yuppie either..ugh)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Bury has got yer back glibby!!!

            • GlibWog

              Well go for it Bury.. Sit on him if you have to..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              And I thought Pirate’s Booty popcorn was funny. ^^^ THIS is funny.

            • GlibWog

              ugh, ugh.. Blech.. puke.. yuk

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Glibby..luvs U!

            • GlibWog

              Hi baby girl.. : ) smooches

          • Missionary Kid

            Somehow, I expected the head to split open at the line and reveal the alien inside.

    • KJP in Portland

      And another great one by OT8! Love this one too!!!

    • Jgg2012

      Is he wearing Shelly’s clothes?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        She doesn’t need them.

        • Miss Tia

          Oh, I wanted to laugh, but that’s too chilling to contemplate. Can you imagine his defense? It was protected first amendment speech for the church and therefore in their twisted logic allowed.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Now now, I don’t think she is dead. I just think she permanently wears a shitty ass boiler suit up there at twin peaks.

            Edit: and besides………she probably enjoys not having to dress like Carrie Anne Moss anymore.

            • sister wendy

              sad- but that would make a nice shoop…..Shelly, wearing a boiler suit and swinging herself around the tower at Twin Peaks….(in SF)

            • Miss Tia

              well, yeah, but i mean, if she got really sick and needed to go to a hospital, they’d never take her and would just let her die…..i mean, i hope she’s not dead, after like 6 years she might wish she was dead and who knows how long it would take her to get ‘deprogrammed’ and recover if/when she’s ‘rescued’…..just a horrible condition/state for someone to be in…..

            • MissCandle

              What?! She now has shit and boils on her ass?
              Please tell me she’s at least getting health care.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Healthcare…I throw my head back and laugh!

    • GlibWog

      O.M.G. No seriously O.M.G.

    • aquaclara

      Ok, now I have it. Obs and OTVIII…
      Hmmm.
      Two huge talents all in one? Could this be???

    • Poison Ivy

      That’s one big head on that guy. (Have been away out of town all day! What’d I miss?)

      Earlier today I was with a scientist (paleontologist/geologist) friend in his lab and got to hold in my hand a fossil of a prehistoric clam.

      I was going to inform my friend about Teegeeack and our Clamato Ancestors, but given that he’s one of those “oh, we have to have facts/scientific method’s the greatest/the earth’s NOT 75 trillion years” kind of guys, I thought better of it.

  • BosonStark

    Sugg on Scientology — wonder how long it will take his gag reflex to kick in.

  • Miss Tia

    In case I get busy watching something on youtube…EARLY REMINDER FOR TONIGHT!!! 8pm EST to 11pm EST you can call 1-800-868-3411 for Leah Remini tonight on Dancing with the Stars!! I believe you can call 10 times per phone # you have (you got more than one phone #, place 10 calls from each phone!). Also voting on ABC’s site (which right now–7:20pm EST voting isn’t open so I don’t want to post the link in case that link changes) through the week and you get like 11 or 12 votes there!! TEAM LEAH!!!!!!!!!!

  • nottrue

    Im going to bring that “Posse of Lunatics” magazine to court. The judge might want to see it

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Mosey is just so damn cute.
      They should make the Scientologists pay a bazillion dollars just for annoying this cute little lady.
      Marty, you got lucky here.
      Hope you realize it and kiss her feet on a daily basis.

      • aquaclara

        She is so cute. Love your note and ^^^^.

    • Narapoid

      I am sure the legal team has it. Forward to them if you think best. A wise Sage told me not to express myself as I saw fit. If you are in court there, maintain decorum…especially when the little monster gets there. I know the temptation…

    • cdub

      Mosey you’re very brave standing up that bully, DM, the mini-source.

  • Cat Daddy
  • sister wendy

    alright- it was SO NICE to stop by for a bit and say hi. You guys keep me going. Back to work. Mom is doing great and she says “Hi! Tell everyone at the Bunker they are great and Tony O should keep up the good work” Isn’t that nice? She knew nothing about this before I came to care for her, now she’s calling in for Leah on DWTS and saving articles. Who knew?! She’s even talking to her friends. Another better informed person

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Glad to hear mom is doing well.

      • sister wendy

        Thank you:)

    • aquaclara

      Hi, Wendy!! And hi to Mom, too! Please tell her we were asking about her!
      Hope you are holding things together ok….
      Come back when you can… Oh, and have fun voting! It’s our Bunker activity for the moment!

  • Narapoid

    David Miscavige’s only friend in the world.

    I don’t mean TC, or the army of sycophants who surround him. I mean someone who has known this man from his beginnings, who will not be BS’d by his propaganda. His most ardent defender and backer that knows every physical and mental thing about him. Someone who can get him clear-headed about these attacks and help him keep his head on straight.

    You know who it is. I’ll post my finish after this call. shit!

    • sister wendy

      His little tiny self

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      LOU!!!! SWEET JESUS.

      Shit, no wonder you are PARANOID!!!

      • aurora50

        Any thing you’d care to share with the rest of the class, Bury?

        (…please…)

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Nope…just know that bury is very often WWWWWRONG!
          And when she isn’t….she don’t tell

          • aurora50

            okey doke.

      • NeverIn

        What the…?

      • Narapoid

        So bad it is inside out…Sorta 😉

    • Narapoid

      Shelly. Unless Lou was there the whole time…

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Oooh good point

        • Narapoid

          Behind every great man… or very not so great.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            😉
            Hell yeah.
            Hole always said it would be a WOMAN to take down the house of cards.

            • Narapoid

              To my miserable discredit, I am imagining his manipulation of his bride. On another day Bury, let us support Leah and the other escaped pilgrims tonight!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok. Cheers.

            • Missionary Kid

              “Escaped pilgrims” is a great expression.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I read back through your posts 😉
            you may want to go private. Like NOW.
            Disqus is yer friend.

            • Narapoid

              kinda late but how..

          • deselby

            If Shellly would just work harder, scientology wouldn’t be having all these problems. :)

    • DamOTclese2

      The irony is that Jesus is David Miscaviage’s only friend, and Jesus was an R6 implant. :)

      • sugarplumfairy

        lol..

  • 1subgenius

    Well how bout that. They just opened DWTS with Bjork’s “Oh So Quiet” that I just posted the other day.
    My OTee powahs!!!!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You get the parking space next to the door!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There’s your elevator, and… is that shiny dime I spot on the floor?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m calling you if I have a car accident, OK?

    • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

      nice prostulate!

      (intentional typo and it stays)

  • 1subgenius

    3- 8’s for Leah!

    • Aslansown

      Yay! Can’t watch tonight but calling anyway!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      What are other contestants getting? She had all 8’s last week too, right? I’ve never watched before, so I’m not sure if solid 8’s are above average at this stage of the competition.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Ditto..me neither…we newbies need stats!!!

        • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

          8s are pretty good, that’s what a team needs to stay in the competition in the beginning, at least.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            cool, thanks.

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              But I just talked to my wife, the DWTS fanatic, and she says it might not be good if you had 9 or 10s the week before.It’s better to climb than to go down. It’s context, so I think they have a chance, although Leah hasn’t impressed her yet, because she doesn’t vote and she waits for a few episodes before deciding what teams she likes. I’ll update what she thinks of Leah tomorrow, when she has a chance to watch it and digest the results.

              The English judge is very strict, so if they do well with him, the rest may fall into place.

              Hope this helps.

            • aquaclara

              She does not vote? Oh. You might have missed our little debate last week about the ethics of “borrowing” spouses cell…..

              Good luck… It works best when you can surreptitiously borrow the phone. Or so I have heard.

            • http://frankdisalleisadummy.wordpress.com/ Get Chutney Love

              I have a cell phone and a landline at my disposal, as long as I don’t attribute the votes to here she’s cool with it. I didn’t vote last week on the theory that I’d be more helpful this week voting for Leah because of the anti-Leah Scientologists that will probably be trying to downstat her here on in.

            • Ruby

              Kids’ phones work well too!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              “Give me that. No! You can finish your text to Bobby later, I need to vote for Leah. Speaking of finish, is your homework finished?”

            • Ruby

              :) yep!

            • aquaclara

              Er, yessss. Thought of that. Youngest is away at school…. And we had a little check-in on grades today…. So maybe next week.
              :-)

            • Rita Gregory

              Easy when they are asleep… wink,, wink!

            • Ruby

              Your wife sounds like me. :). But for Leah, I am ALL IN!

        • Robert Eckert

          Corbin (the quick-step guy, most technically proficient) got 9-8-9 and I would call the early favorite to win it all. A couple other 9’s have been given out but Leah’s 8-8-8 this time and last is in the upper half of the judge’s votings. Keyshawn wiped out with 6-6-6 last time and 7’s will start be fatal.

  • Miss Tia

    CALL NOW EAST COAST!!!! 8pm EST to 11pm EST call 1-800-868-3411 for Leah Remini on Dancing with the Stars!! I believe you can call 10 times per phone #
    you have (you got more than one phone #, place 10 calls from each
    phone!). Also voting on ABC’s site http://vote-e.abc.go.com/shows/dancing-with-the-stars/vote/season-17?votewk10=j6fO2qsCsUALKYno&aid=10
    through the week and you get like 10 votes there too!! TEAM
    LEAH!!!!!!!!!!

    • Cat Daddy

      let’s go

    • DodoTheLaser

      Done and Done!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      12.

      12 times per phone.

      • aquaclara

        I just waited til that voice said I was done….

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      On it now.

    • aegerprimo

      DONE & DONE & DONE!

    • aquaclara

      Done x 4. One set of ten was hubby’s cell phone. I thank him tremendously for not asking a ton of questions! So excellent.

      • aquaclara

        I did say he wasn’t a Bunkerite, right?

    • Observer

      Done

    • Rita Gregory

      Done!

  • Sandy

    Leah was terrific!

  • Robert Eckert

    DWTS gave Leah and Tony the lead-off spot. No Scientology references but some more self-deprecation, a smokier dance performance and lots of love from the audience and judges.

    • Ruby

      oh boy!! I am West Coast so am looking forward to it! :)
      What dance did she do?

      • Robert Eckert

        Rumba, to the tune of “Skyfall” from the last Bond picture.

        • Ruby

          Thank you! :)

  • SandiCorrena

    800-868-3411

  • SandiCorrena

    On a goosebumps scale of 1 to 10 I give Leah a 12!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ruby

      oh yay!!

  • DodoTheLaser

    First who posts tonight’s vid of Leah and Tony, will get the love of the Internet fringes and virtual cookies!

    • aquaclara

      Hi, Dodo!!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Hi, Aqua! :)

        • aquaclara

          Hafta tell you that seeing your comments on the flip side makes my mornings…. Hope the 2nd shift is going well. Oh, and thank you for tearing me away from Diners Drive-ins and Dives to catch up with Leah and Tony.

          • DodoTheLaser

            It’s my pleasure! Always warms my heart to hear from you!

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Dodo is the Mayor, Sheriff and Judge of Flavor Town.

            • DodoTheLaser

              I am?! Cool!!!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              A joke on the Diners, Drive-ins and Dives reference. Guy Fierri loves his imaginary Flavor Town. For example, a delicious pizza pie is a “manhole cover in Flavor Town.” Being the Mayor of Flavor Town is a tremendous honor.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Sounds like a good thing. :) Thanks for the honors kindly!

  • DodoTheLaser

    While we waiting for the dancing video – anyone got a hold of the new issue of Freedom mag yet?
    At least we know Peter Schorsch has it. I’m sure someone knows someone who knows Peter…

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      I wonder how big a run they will print. The amount of junk mail we get from the clams has fallen to nearly nothing in the past few months.

      • Missionary Kid

        Lucky you. Save the trees. Stop $cientology.

      • DodoTheLaser

        That’s good to know, thank you.

        They will print a few copies for every DSA/OSA in every org and mission and just enough copies to distribute to others, according to the topic of the new issue.

      • aquaclara

        Really??? Very interesting! Are you able to scan or send your mail to Tony? Along with any narrative comments about anything that’s changed?

    • DamOTclese2

      We might be able to get free copies shipped to us if we get on the crook’s web site and subscribe, maybe. I’m going to see if that is possible.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I wouldn’t do it, but that’s me.

        That thing will surface regardless in 1,2,3,4…

  • DodoTheLaser
    • Moorwalker

      You get sweet fringe love and cookies!

      And they are so hot together.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Leah and Tony? Or fringe love and cookies? I’m so confused….

        • Moorwalker

          Well… both, now that you mention it.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I humbly accept it all! :) Thanky!
        Also, joining Ozzy Osborne in standing ovation to Leah and Tony!
        Smiling happily….

        • jeff

          I noticed that too. Why are they there?

          • DodoTheLaser

            Ozzy’s son is one of the dancers there.

            • jeff

              Thanks

        • Seannie5

          too bad I can’t stand the famewhore Osbourne clan

    • NeverIn

      THANK YOU!

      And, uh, that was really hot! Go Leah!
      P.S. She actually looks a lot like that last bond girl.

      • DodoTheLaser

        You are very welcome and I agree re last bond girl!

        Great performance, indeed!!!

    • Aslansown

      Wow! She was amazing. She just look more and more confident every week. I’m SO happy for her!

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    Off topic, but for those not watching MNF or DWTS, the callers on C-SPAN are truly entertaining tonight. I’m sure a few of the calls on the Republican line are pranks. And the host looks scared and has a busted lip. Wtf?

  • Seannie5

    I forgot it was on tonight. Well done Leah!

    • aquaclara

      VOTE!

      • Seannie5

        she’s through!

  • aurora50

    Here is kind of a crazy idea, and I have no internet skills to know if it is even feasible.

    I bet I am not the only one who uses the posts with pictures to ‘landmark’ interesting aspects of the daily postings. Is there a way for one of the Illustrious Illustrators here to set up a regular post over a 24 hour period?

    Say, ever two hours a moon phase, going from new moon to full moon in the 24 hours? then, wherever and whenever we are and want to come back on board, we can orient ourselves to where/when we left the conversation?

    Can that be done in an automated fashion?

    That is all…

  • DamOTclese2

    I like the Examiner’s Coverage Of Scientology’s Libel article which features none other than Tory Magoo. :)

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    Watched Leah on youtube! Go on girl, you got this!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yeah, Leah going strong! Third week, still getting 8’s!
      Thanks to Leah, Tony Dovolani and all of the supporters here and elsewhere!
      Funny how “SP’s” can flourish and prosper like that.

      • L. C. Spencer

        She is fabulous. This was just the right thing for her to do. And I’m not too proud to admit I’m enjoying how much this is getting Krusty’s goat :-)

  • SandiCorrena

    Leah made it through to next week!

    • Moorwalker

      Yay!

  • Jon Hendry

    Hm. You know, if CoS wanted to go after Mr. Ortega in Freedom, someone from the world of alternative weeklies would be a good hire.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      If CoS wanted to go after Mr. Ortega, I hope that Freedom magazine is their best shot. It is defunct. No one takes it seriously. This latest issue seems to have been received by more critics than believers.

      • Jon Hendry

        Yeah, it’s their most puny weapon.

        • Miss Tia

          Uh, don’t they have one other puny weapon? 😉

          • Rita Gregory

            I would think the most puny weapon is the one you refer to. He is also the most lethal.

          • Jon Hendry

            If you can call that a weapon…

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Yikes, Sugg Hates Faked Expansion Statistics!

    Someone may have reported this already, but I can’t read over 1,000 comments to determine that, so here goes. It seems that Mr. Sugg took the Atlanta Journal Constitution to task in 2008 for dishonesty in reporting its statistics. Mr. Sugg was outraged that the AJC was fraudulently claiming it was expanding. He specifically was incensed that the AJC’s claim was based on the idea that anyone anywhere in the world who read one article online was the equivalent of an Atlanta print subscriber. Sound familiar? What is Mr, Sugg going to say to Miscavige the first time he is ordered to report on the millions of “new” members, and the millions of google searches as proof of expansion? Here is a quote from Sugg:

    “. . . AJC circulation has dwindled to a fraction of its peak. Now the editors [ of the AJC], as elsewhere in the nation, are trying to con people with the assertion that the combined online and print readership is growing. That equates to someone in, say, Moscow, clicking on a single AJC story with someone who subscribes to the paper and reads the dozens of stories in it. After all, each is a ‘reader.'”

    http://www.cjr.org/parting_thoughts/parting_thoughts_john_sugg.php?page=all. I don’t see Suggs lasting long with Freedom Magazine…

    • Jon Hendry

      Sugg in 2000, as linked earlier (sorry, forgot who found it):

      https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/fl.politics/gKuUoW6sZKA

      “Still, often (some would say almost always) ignored by the Times is the fact that millions of people, ranging from John Travolta to hard-working Clearwater parents and taxpayers, believe in Scientology’s
      teachings about personal growth and development.”

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Really? Millions? I guess he has a very serious problem- when he discovers there are maybe 40-50,000 members globally, is he going to report that honestly or will his paycheck be his morality-the same paycheck-morality he attacked the AJC for in 2008. Thanks for drawing my attention to this.

        • aquaclara

          Yes…no millions. Not even one.

      • aquaclara

        Millions. I call bullshit.

      • Freethinker

        “…hard-working Clearwater parents and taxpayers”

        How much tax does a Sea Org slave have to pay on $50 per week?

  • AsthmaticDwarf

    Ok, you fanatic internet-fringe fried frijoles freakazoids. Girls- tighten up your knickers. And boys- put on your dancin’ shoes. And **try** just **try** to keep up with corn-on-the-COB, while I make my move onto DWTS. And show all of ’em how to DANCE DANCE DANCE. [image fair use from uber fringe fanatic freakazoid OT8Gr8 or Captain Howdy, who cares… ]

    • Rita Gregory

      Ah Davey, are you firing foot bullets again?

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        HEY! YOU!! GET OFF-A MY CLOUD, GREGORY!!!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I almost lost myself when scrolling and saw this pimp package of DM. Do not do that to me late at night. Alcohol is worse that water for keyboards.

    • Nevermore

      MMMM, a Mini Pimp – lovely!

  • NeverIn

    This whole thing is awesome. I mean, DM really must be crazy desperate at this point. Hire a guy who is (a) not a Sci, (b) used to running his own show, and (c) likes to fight bullies in public? In any normal PR situation where you want to be portrayed as the stalwart victim, this hire would be brilliant. But for a micromanaging asshole like DM to think he can keep such a guy? I wonder if the Sugg has ALREADY quit in disgust of the tiny tyrant.

    • Moorwalker

      He’s Sci-friendly, though. But these are two egos that are bound to clash hard down the line, once the freakish honeymoon phase is over.

      Does anyone know, as someone wondered earlier, if Elizabeth Sugg (who is a Scientologist) is his daughter or niece or any relation?

    • DodoTheLaser

      I think John Sugg will either:

      a) Stick to the “social improvement topics” only and do his best for the money
      b) Become a new “leader” of Anonymous by pulling off some epic shit
      c) Quit in disgust and start posting here.

      • Rita Gregory

        I vote for c.

      • John P.

        I think John Sugg’s run will be a lot longer than many here think. I suspect he’s getting $150,000 to $200,000 per year to run this standard-bearer for responsible journalism. I base this on the cost of the recently departed Jim Lynch’s house in Boca Raton, which some of the Anons dox’ed over on WWP (I think). Remember, Miscavige has a small inner circle such as Danny Sherman, Henning ??? (the guy who does the sets), Jeff Pomerantz (the voice over announcer at events), a few reg’s and some others outside the normal organization who get paid a lot of money to do their thing. Also recall that PI’s Marrick & Arnold disclosed that they were each receiving over $200,000 a year (but that was gross, including travel expenses they had to pay).

        Creative Loafing declared bankruptcy in 2008 and apparently, as the chain-wide EIC, he got puked then, even though some of the titles kept operating through the bankruptcy. To a journalist who’s been living hand-to-mouth for five years doing freelance work, that kind of money is a godsend. Especially to a guy who’s at least 65 years old and trying to figure out how he’s going to retire. Just like Jim Lynch.

        So even if he doesn’t believe the crap he’s slinging, expect what John Sugg writes to be a lot more like Jim Lynch’s drivel from the past incarnation of Freedumb magazine than it is like John Sugg’s previous stories from his life as a real writer. The money’s way too good for it to be otherwise.

        • DodoTheLaser

          I thought about it too, John, but I have some hopes for J. Sugg’s journalistic integrity.
          Can money really buy anything and anyone?

          I hope not. I hope JS will play some tricks.
          And if not, oh well. “We Run This”.

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            Yes. And Yes.
            Your hope is misplaced.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Not so fast.

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              It’s always the money. Always. You’ll see.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Oh yeah?! I will turn down millions of dollars offered for not posting here. I will.
              Stupid, I know. But that’s me. Not that anyone will offer it to Dodo.

              Now, offer me a few billions and we can talk (just so I will turn around, buy the whole con and turn it into a resort and educational facilities).

              P.S. I would rather take thousands or NOTHING for developing the right causes that benefit society and humanity than settle for millions that advance and perpetuate conning lies.

            • Rita Gregory

              Stands up at desk and cheers!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Thank you, I mean it.

            • Rita Gregory

              I know you do and we are kindred spirits. :)

            • Rita Gregory

              Dodo, are we the only idealistic people left?

          • John P.

            The former colleague of Jim Lynch’s who worked with him in mid-career had only good things to say about his honesty and integrity, too. But after working for Freedumb for a couple of years, those attributes were conspicuously absent.

            I don’t believe everyone can be bought, but I believe that a payday as big as Miscavige is promising can distort people’s values. Some people might take a gig like this one thinking they’ll quit after they’ve saved up a few months’ pay to tide them over if they think they’re being forced to sell out. But then once they get in for a while, they realize they have few career prospects and they have boxed themselves into a nightmare. And so they stay, hating themselves when they look in the mirror, but showing up for work every day on time just the same.

            I would strongly suspect that Miscavige can smell desperation when he interviews minions, and he always figures out how he can put the arm on them. I am sure that John Sugg’s bank statements, personal e-mails and all sorts of other private information was sitting in a folder on Miscavige’s desk before the final interview. So Miscavige knew when he had a guy who was pliable.

            • DodoTheLaser

              That’s pretty sad painting. I can see it though.
              Time will tell.

        • aurora50

          Per that link above to the by-lined story, he could be following the party line and taking on Big Pharma and its multi-billion dollar brain scrambling industry. How will that pencil out as an editorial strategy?

          And how is it that CoS and Big Pharma have co-existed, so far? is it because most BigP is now owned by over-seas corporations, for instance?

          • John P.

            Most big pharma is owned by US hedge funds, like Global Capitalism HQ. Sure, overseas pharma makers have been buying up domestic drug makers, but the reverse is equally true, as the industry consolidates to save marketing costs. Foreign ownership is neither accurate nor relevant.

            Pharma has unscrambled a lot more brains than any other alternative in human history has done. There are indeed abuses and excesses, but they’re often as much a function of patients demanding some med that a friend takes who claims it’s a miracle cure as it is of corporate cynicism. I have several psychiatrist friends who spend a lot of their time trying to talk patients out of taking more meds, especially when parents come in trying to “control” their teenage sons and demanding an ADHD diagnosis so they can medicate him.

            Scientology has coexisted with Big Pharma in the way that a spore of athlete’s foot has coexisted with my left foot. I consider a small patch of athlete’s foot an annoyance that would be easily treated with a blast of spray if I got around to it, and the only reason that it’s still there is that I keep forgetting to pick up some disinfectant when I’m at the drug store.

            Scientology’s party line regarding big pharma is so comically out of touch with valid concerns about the psychiatric drug business that anyone with half a brain would look at it and try hard not to burst out laughing. Their nonsense sounds like the Saudi sheik who said the other day that women should not be allowed to drive in the Kingdom because driving creates dangerous physical strains on their ovaries that apparently riding in the passenger seat does not.

            • aurora50

              Ah. Thank you.
              My point of view is very personal and a bit out-dated. Won’t go into all that.

              I appreciate your run-down of the current situation.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Great post! Thank you, John.

              I’m no fan of over prescription and what not,
              BUT while Scientology think they are beating Big Pharma,
              Big Pharma think NOTHING of Scientology.

            • ThetaBara

              Hot tip: put your socks on before putting on your underpants until you get rid of that shit. You don’t want to get it on your balls!

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Please don’t make me start feeling sorry for him or pity him. Yes, his situation, as you’ve
          described it, is most likely dire – considering his age and what has happened to print journalism since the mid to late 2000’s.

          But I am convinced he was hired, at DM’s insistence, to sadistically start feeding on his own. And that I can not excuse. I believe Freedom has been languishing because micro-managing DM would not give his approval for a replacement for Lynch, but with the increasing media recognition and success of Tony Ortega and his work, DM needed to find a sock puppet that would be a worthy opponent who, he believed, would be capable of blowing up the Bunker and Tony. I am sure he sees Tony as a huge threat and takes it personally. For now, DM has probably considered this as nothing more than one issue hire, unless Sugg can take on his valence. I am also convinced the next issue of Freedom will feature Tony, the Bunker, and anything or anyone near and dear to him.

          Being in your late 50’s and looking for work at that age is simply awful, if not hopeless, but it is, nonetheless, unforgiveable that someone, who spent a career being a journalist and editor, would be willing to sell off his conscience, integrity, and ethics – especially to a criminal organization such as Co$. I wish he had kept his dignity and stood in line at a soup kitchen instead.

          Note: My prediction about the contents of the next issue might be temporarily derailed because of the noisy defection of Leah Remini and family.

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Wolfbane (absolutely LOVE Wolfane) posted the following at WWP https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/freedom-magazine-hiring-journalists.112554/#post-2363458

    I quote, “Just what Scientology needs! A bitter defrocked editor to lead the attack dogs against bitter defrocked apostates. (sell out /cough)”

  • And I don’t rent cars!

    Well, Congratulation Mr. Sugg! You seem to have great class and manners. So, here’s one of your classy Freedom mag subscribers giving you a “Warm Welcome” in return.
    NOTE TO SELF: OMG! Is that a bag of cocaine she’s holding? Yup, but… but… she’s been saying for years that $cientology got her off drugs and made her sane again.

    • Moorwalker

      Not that I wish Sugg’s wife into the cornfield or anything, but this just may be John’s perfect 2D.

      • Sarah James

        I had the very same thought.

      • Rita Gregory

        I thought that when I saw the picture of Sugg!

    • DamOTclese2

      What is it with this stupid woman?

      • Rita Gregory

        Maybe she has arthritis and her middle finger is stuck in that position.

        • Eclipse-girl

          you are so cute.

          • Rita Gregory

            Awww thanks! So are you.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Or she has a finger Thetan who pops up at random times like turrets-for-hands, just to enturbulate her. Eh maybe not, more likely she’s just a classy broad.

          • Rita Gregory

            Snickersnort!

      • DamOTclese2

        Scientology can help her with that!

  • Sarah James

    Slug looks like a friendly sort.

    • DodoTheLaser

      ROFL! You never know though.

  • Robert Eckert

    OT, the government of the US is now officially “shut down”, although this is much less dramatic than one might expect.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Yep, It happened before, number of times. Politicians play, life goes on.

      • Robert Eckert

        Once my buddy and I were driving to Yosemite, on a trip we’d planned for a while, when one of these shutdowns was threatened. We resolved that the Republicans would have to drag us out of the park by force.

      • Jon Hendry

        Wastes millions. And probably interrupts lots of NIH-type experiments, possibly requiring work to start over from scratch. Hopefully the freezers and fridges with biological samples and cultures don’t get shut off.

    • DamOTclese2

      Fucking Republican terrorists, holding our country hostage. They’re almost as bad as the Democrats. :)

      LOL. I don’t vote.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Then shut the fuck up. Seriously.

        • DamOTclese2

          Make me, bitch.

          • Robert Eckert

            If you don’t care about politics then stay out of political discussions, OK? I’m sorry I even brought the subject up here, but I assumed it was bound to be mentioned.

            • India Crep

              People who care about politics and understand politics don’t vote. Only idiots vote.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Next, login as OJ to down vote me. Or Public Buggering. Why did you abandon Public Buggering, DamOT?

            • DamOTclese2

              It’s always a conspiracy with you Republicans, huh? LOL. I have to laugh, you stupid fucks always passing voter suppression laws under the guise of fake people voting for the black guy. Amusing.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve continually stated that I am a Democrat. Your comments and sock accounts to skew the up/down vote count don’t bother me in the slightest. Let me ask you a question though.. What’s your new Disqus account going to be named? Because DamOTclese* is shot at this point. You are exposed as being a fraudulent crybaby.

            • DamOTclese2

              Amazing. Always a conspiracy with you right wing teabaggers, always, right up to the Scientological “I’m not a Republican but” lunacy.

              You vote Democratic and want to pretend that that’s some how different than voting Republican. And yet you can’t point at the current mass murdering monster sitting in the White House and find anything significant that he has done or not done which apes what the Bush regime did.

              Left, right, left, right, the March of the Morons.

            • Robert Eckert

              You fucking idiot, there is not a single “right wing teabagger” here.

            • Robert Eckert

              No, he logged in as MRIID.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              All the same person.

            • Robert Eckert

              MRIID is the specific one that just showed up, though.

            • Narapoid

              Jimmy 3 and Robert E, I know I have enjoyed yalls comments over the weeks I have lurked, whether you know it or not, but this Political shit needs to stop in this forum.

            • Robert Eckert

              We have a determined multi-sock troll here. He won’t stop because he wants to be righteous. He needs to be opposed: ironically, he himself is a perfect example of how stupid it is to let evil triumph by sitting back.

            • Rita Gregory

              Well he certainly has derailed the thread…. but I understand your need to respond.

            • Narapoid

              Robert, what is a sock? A fake sign in? Whoever can answer

            • Rita Gregory

              Like a sock puppet. More that one identity for one person.

            • Narapoid

              Thanks Rita, do you think it is so in this case?

            • Rita Gregory

              I have no idea.

            • Robert Eckert

              We KNOW so in this case. We knew this about him before, but more has been revealed tonight.

            • Narapoid

              So Robert, Jimmy 3, is the “fact” that DamOT is a triple poster a Game Changer? I appreciate (I do) the info you linked.

            • Narapoid

              But it still doesn’t change the fact that DamOT talked me out of being an ass in Texas. I still have hopes of yelling so loud at the little man that I hit him with a filling. But, Politics aside, He isn’t a shill for the Cof$?

            • Robert Eckert

              I’m not sure what his motivations are. He could easily be a Co$ pawn. Or he could really be as stupid as he is portraying himself.

            • Narapoid

              Ok Robert, In all earnestness, the dipshits in charge of the USA are getting drunk per Huffpo. I am a VET and I love my country. The dipshits who have just cost the taxpayers 3 months in taxes for them to make a political statement and still doesn’t make Obama care work or make jobs, should be neutered/spayed.

            • Robert Eckert

              THAT is idiocy.

            • DamOTclese2

              So says someone who voted for politicians that committed war crime atrocities against the people of Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

              You assholes that play the kleptocracy’s game and legitimize the fraud is why the United States is neither a Constitutional Republic nor a Democracy. Fact is, the people who do not vote hold the moral and the intellectual high ground.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Your intellect must be a Titan amongst mortals. Your position is essentially that because you refuse to vote, our representation is not your fault. Taking a backseat, blameless position. And yet you constantly rage against republicans? Why is that?

            • DamOTclese2

              Woops! Another logic fallacy. They’re not your “representation.” These war criminals don’t represent the citizens of this country. Didn’t you notice that not a single Wall Street criminal went to prison? Didn’t you notice that a confessed torturing war criminal (that would be George W. Bush) was never remanded in to custody and dragged before the ICC to stand trial for his war crimes?

              The fact that you think you voted for a “representative” is exactly what the Oligarchy wants to to believe. You played their game, there’s blood on your hands.

            • Robert Eckert

              I never voted for any politician who committed war crime atrocities against Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan. People who do not vote bear all the responsibility for evil people taking power with only relatively small blocs behind them.

            • DamOTclese2

              Yes you did. If you voted, you’re culpable for the war crime atrocities they committed whether the terrorist butcher you voted for was elected or not. You played the system, you condone it, you approve of the fake “voting” that allows these monsters to slaughter brown babies in foreign countries.

              You have blood on your hands. I do not.

            • Narapoid

              Holy Shit DamO, love ya but Godamm…

            • DamOTclese2

              Ha! Politics. I refuse to sully my hands. On rare occasion I will see people who voted for Obama lament the fact given his atrocities following in Bush’s footsteps, but at the same time people who voted for him demand that they had no choice, the alternative was someone even worse.

              I always tell them that the third alternative was “none of the above.” People who don’t get involved in picking war criminals — or in rejecting war criminals — don’t have any culpability in the actions that politicians commit.

            • Narapoid

              In a world run by Money, is there a choice? The 3rd alternative? You are smarter than that.

              and give these other on-your-side pilgrims a break

            • Rita Gregory

              “Ha! Politics. I refuse to sully my hands.” Then please be quiet and stop sullying your mouth with it.

            • DamOTclese2

              Fact is that voting is for idiots who are incapable of learning from their previous mistakes. Don’t like hearing the truth? Tune in Fox “News.”

            • Rita Gregory

              Bleh Bleh Bleh…… oh ya and fuck Faux news that is all.

            • Robert Eckert

              Numbskull. There are no Fox News listeners here.

            • DodoTheLaser

              While political voting may or may not be instrumental, following the money trail always works. I say we all vote for the Internet neutrality instead.

            • DamOTclese2

              THAT is where voting actually works, in local elections and on issues. Politicians by bent of their corporate ownership does not represent citizens, not in any country.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Agreed re local elections.

            • Jon Hendry

              In order to hold the moral and intellectual high ground you need to find a candidate you can support and work to get them elected, at least locally, if not at state or national levels.

              What you’re doing is just a lazy-ass cop-out: All talk, no action. Ready to cast aspersions on everyone else, but unwilling to do jack shit for the ideals you claim to hold. You don’t want to change anything, you just want to feel that your hands are clean.

              Spare us. If you were a German in 1932 you would have been some moron saying “Meh, Nazis, Communists, Socialists, they’re all the same!”

            • DamOTclese2

              Exactly.

            • Robert Eckert

              India Crep = Skeptic Tank, whom you claim to be. Agreeing with yourself is particularly trollish.

            • DamOTclese2

              Ah yes, always a conspiracy with your tinfoil hatted teabagging idiots, huh?

              Clue for you, idiot: I’m not black. No need to be afraid.

            • Robert Eckert

              Nobody ever claimed that you were black. You are however the same person as India Crep, which makes your behavior here very Scientological.

            • DamOTclese2

              Always a conspiracy with you Republican teabaggers. Always.

            • Robert Eckert

              You are as stupid as you are evil. There are no Republicans here tonight.

            • DamOTclese2

              Ah yes, not collecting postage stamps is evil, to mix metaphors. Welcome to the Republican IQ. Go wash your hands.

            • Rita Gregory

              WTF is THAT supposed to mean?

            • DamOTclese2

              So says a clown who thinks he actually voted when he cast a ballot. :)

              It’s amusing. Americans smiled and laughed when they saw people in the Middle East “voting” and holding up their purple fingers after they “voted,” all while over 100% of them cast their “votes” for Saddam. Now quaint, how naive.

              Along comes the Presidential Elections in their own country and the same people who smiled at the “vote” in Iraq think their own vote is real. LOL. Have to laugh. You clowns are precious.

            • Narapoid

              Love ya Dammy

            • Robert Eckert

              Yes, I did vote. We no longer have troops in Iraq, to name one thing which you pretend to care about. Tomorrow I may be able to purchase health insurance for the first time in decades, which matters to me a great deal. Useless shits like you are a major reason for the problems we have been having.

            • DamOTclese2

              ” We no longer have troops in Iraq”

              Yes you do. You have over 40,000 baby killing monsters still in Iraq, still raping people, still murdering kids, still holding on to the oil fields. Your baby killers you voted for are still there, under the guise of being “contractors” and other fake titles.

              Halliburton, Blackwater, “advisers” from the CIA, the baby killing terrorists YOU voted for are still there.

            • Robert Eckert

              You are as dishonest as you are stupid, and as stupid as you are evil. There are no Americans killing babies in Iraq now, nor raping anyone, nor murdering kids, and this may be astonishing to you, but we never did, even under Bush, take the oil fields. Blackwater does not even exist anymore. And no, I never voted in favored of sending anyone into Iraq.

            • DamOTclese2

              Woops! You were saying?

              “Security contractors” is what your baby killers are called these days. Lovely bit of Republicanism, huh?

            • Robert Eckert

              You are citing a story from two years ago.

            • DamOTclese2

              Seems like Google is hearsay. Hum, try This One from last year.

              Point being the war crime atrocities and the occupation continues, the Obama regime never pulled his or the Bush regime’s terrorist butchers out, they’re all still there, all shooting civilians, all maintaining control of the oil fields for UNOCAL, Exxon/Mobile, Shell.

            • Robert Eckert

              This article cites a figure of 7 thousand contractors in Iraq in mid-2012, almost all of them guarding the embassy compound. There is not a single mention of any one of them shooting civilians or controlling oil fields. Neither Unocal nor Exxon/Mobil nor Shell has any oil fields in Iraq.

            • DamOTclese2

              And Christian Science Monitor Offers This One from this year.

            • Robert Eckert

              An article you obviously did not bother to read, since it was a retrospective about how things in Iraq had been in previous years.

            • Jon Hendry

              15,000, and falling, not 40,000. It’s probably under 10,000 at this point.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            This should be interesting… Yep here are the sock accounts.

            • DamOTclese2

              Fact is those of who who don’t vote do not have blood on our hands. People who voted for Bush or Obama or, in fact, voted at all are responsible for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people at the hands of their elected leaders.

              Only the stupid continue to vote, waving their purple fingers, thinking it was actually voting. :) Just ask any Obama voter how that “change” thing went.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I think ALL americans have blood their hands. It doesn’t matter if they vote or not

            • DamOTclese2

              Because our taxes are stolen from us and are used to purchase weapons which are used to commit war crime atrocities? Problem is, if we refuse to pay taxes, we go to prison, we can’t opt out. :(

            • Robert Eckert

              You could have opted out of paying for the Iraq war by voting against Bush.

            • DamOTclese2

              No, Bush lost both elections, which you might have noticed if you were not stuck watching Fox “News.” But even if the GOP had not stolen both elections, the other clown would have invaded Iraq. That was the directives of the Kleptocracy. Pretending that the Republicans and the Democrats are some how different — or that your votes are actually counted and mean something — is exactly what the Kleptocracy wants the sheeple to believe.

              Fact is, people who vote legitimize the fraud. Stop voting and the Oligarchy would not be able to claim legitimacy.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not think Gore would have invaded IRAQ. He did not a a score to settle to with them, like Bush Jr. I am sure we would have been at war in Aghanistan. MAybe , just maybe if we concentrated there, the outcome would have been different.

            • DamOTclese2

              It’s likely that Gore would have had no choice but to invade. Iraq was invaded because Saddam had stopped selling oil using U. S. Petrodollars, he was switching to the Euro. Because the U. S. economy is predicated upon the petrodollar that Nixon established, the Wall Street Oligarchy could not allow Saddam to sell his oil in Euros, Gore would have had to invade to stop Saddam.

            • Robert Eckert

              Gore would not have invaded Afghanistan because he would not have taken his eye off the ball with regard to al-Qaeda, and we would not have had the 9/11 security breach.

            • Jon Hendry

              I don’t agree with DamOTclese2 in general about this stuff, but I think even if Gore was reluctant to invade Iraq, Lieberman would have had a raging hard-on to invade, and would have pushed Gore to do so, and probably worked to undermine any resistance on Gore’s part.

            • Robert Eckert

              UHHHH… nobody, absolutely nobody, in the Democratic party had even the slightest notion of invading Iraq.

            • Jon Hendry

              Nah, Lieberman is always a hawk. As I recall, his debate with Cheney was pretty much all “yeah, he’s right, I agree with him, yeah.”

              He may not have said much about Iraq prior to the 2000 election, but he was sponsor of the Senate version of the Iraq War authorization bill. (Co-sponsors included John Edwards.)

              Lieberman was primaried in CT because of his support for the Iraq war, was beaten in the primary, and changed to an Independent.

            • Robert Eckert

              He didn’t say anything about Iraq in 2000 because nobody, nobody at all, gave a damn about Iraq or had any concept of attacking Iraq at that time.

            • Jon Hendry

              True, but after 9/11, he would have had a hard-on for Iraq.

            • Robert Eckert

              For one thing, I doubt there would have been a 9/11, since Gore was a prime mover of the Clinton administration campaign against al-Qaeda; it was the Republican insistence that al-Qaeda was imaginary that allowed 9/11 to happen. And after 9/11, there was no reason for anyone to get a hard-on for a country that had nothing to do with it. After Pearl Harbor, we didn’t attack Thailand.

            • Jon Hendry

              I get the latter, and I voted for Gore, Kerry, and Obama. It’s conceivable that Gore would have been able to catch 9/11, being more likely to listen to the right people, and unlikely to be focused on Soviet-era concerns. But they might have missed it. And I think Lieberman would have been susceptible to the nonsense from people like Laurie Mylroie, “linking” Saddam to 9/11 (and everything else, going back to the Lindbergh Baby kidnapping).

            • Robert Eckert

              ” But they might have missed it” Maybe, but I find that highly unlikely. 9/11 was an astonishingly inept breach of security, requiring that known threats be willfully ignored. And the nonsense attribution of 9/11 to Iraq did not even gain much traction in the Bush White House (they had to shift to a different story fairly quickly) so I am sure it would never have even gotten started in a Gore White House. And Lieberman of course would have been your typical ribbon-cutter Vice President; the role of Cheney was unique due to the unparalleled dimness of W.

            • Eclipse-girl

              While you are probably correct about Lieberman, I think the country may have been more resistant..

              We would not have had Cheney, and Rumsfeld pushing for war.

              This is ALL speculation

            • Robert Eckert

              “even if the GOP had not stolen both elections, the other clown would have invaded Iraq” No. Absolutely not. That was W’s personal lunacy.

            • DamOTclese2

              Even if Gore had taken the White House, Saddam would not have been permitted to sell his oil in Euros as he was threatening. Bush had to defend the petrodollar, Gore would have done the same.

            • Robert Eckert

              The complete removal of Iraqi oil from the market did not have all that much impact, neither would a change in sales practices.

            • DamOTclese2

              That’s wrong. A Little Wikipedia For You which describes the Petrodollar economy that Nixon established which Saddam was threatening to destroy. Specifically, check the references for: In 2000, Iraq converted all its oil transactions under the Oil for Food program to euros.[4] When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, it returned oil sales from the euro to the USD.[5]

              Gore would have invaded Iraq also. He would have had no choice.

            • Robert Eckert

              What happened when the US invaded is that oil sales from Iraq largely vanished for years. You are utterly mistaken about how supposedly vital Iraqi oil sales were: we had not been buying from them for a very long time prior.

            • DamOTclese2

              I don’t think you bothered to read the article I referenced. Wotta surprise. It is irrelevant what the U.S. traded oil for, the United States is not the only country that Iraq’s fields supply. China alone purchasing Iraq’s oil in Euros rather than U. S. petrodollars would have been devastating to the Dollar, leave alone all the other countries that would dump the Dollar in favor of Euros in their oil purchasing.

            • DamOTclese2

              Also Time Magazine covered the conversion to Euros away from the petrodollar. Selling in Euros was considered an act of war, it was a direct assault against the U. S. Dollar that can’t stand on its own because we’re no longer backed by gold thanks to Nixon.

              Edit: Woops,. that Time Magazine article is no longer available without subscription.

            • Robert Eckert

              Such a major act of war that nobody cared. Time thought the major problem from that would be paperwork headaches at the UN: remember that Iraq was only allowed to sell a dribble of oil, and only through the UN. It was never mentioned at all as a campaign issue because nobody gave a shit.

            • DamOTclese2

              :) But Robert, the Oligarchy certainly gave enough of a shit to invade Iraq to stop Saddam from selling oil in Euros. I also see that the United Nations was annoyed because the Euro was lower valued than the U. S. Dollar which meant less revenues for the oil Saddam was permitted to ship.

              I think we’re at an impasse, I can post articles showing why Gore would have had to invade but I don’t think you will accept that, nor accept my argument that voting solves nothing or makes any difference.

            • Robert Eckert

              No, W personally gave enough of a shit to invade Iraq because he was personally offended by Saddam’s move against his dad. Many arguments were advanced in favor of invading Iraq, but the currency used for Iraqi oil sales did not figure anywhere in that huge discussion. You are particularly stupid if you think that it changes the amount of revenues to mark the prices in one currency rather than another: when the pound trades at $1.50 then an item fetches the same money whether it is sold for 10 pounds or 15 dollars. The annoyance was that the UN would have to carry more bookkeeping paperwork, tracking the converted as well as unconverted amounts.

              I am certainly not going to accept your shit, because it is ignorant. I am also not going to accept that you had any honest motives for throwing all this shit out tonight. Your use of sock puppets, and transparent lies about having done so, cast doubts on your motives for ever having been on this board.

            • DamOTclese2

              Sohan Sharma is a professor emeritus at California State University in Sacramento. Sue Tracy is a hazardous waste material scientist in Sacramento. Surinder Kumar is professor of economics In Rohtak, Inala.

              The Invasion of Iraq: Dollar vs Euro, Re-denominating Iraqi oil in U. S. dollars, instead of the euro

            • Robert Eckert

              Whoopdedo.

            • Robert Eckert

              “those of who who don’t vote do not have blood on our hands” You have ALL the blood on your hands, every drop of it: you are like the “good Germans” who just sat and watched. This is as stupid as saying you should stay away from the Bunker or Anonymous protests or anything else if you really want to be “pure” from the taint of Scientology. The only thing required for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

            • DamOTclese2

              You have it exactly wrong, ya frothing idiot. Adolf Hitler was voted in to power, he was voted in to power just like George W. Bush was, just like Obama was. The people Hitler slaughtered, the people Bush and Obama slaughtered was made possible by the assholes who voted for them.

              The people who refused to pick one mass murdering monster over another have clean hands.

            • Robert Eckert

              Adolf Hitler came to power because useless shits like you didn’t vote.

            • DamOTclese2

              Well, with that understanding of the history of Nazi Germany, you must be a Fox “News” believer. And your logic is also — let’s just say “right leaning.” :)

              Here’s a History Lesson about people voting Hitler in.

              Funny. I don’t collect postage stamps but you want to think that because I don’t collect postage stamps, I’m some how responsible for the acts of people who do.

            • Robert Eckert

              The Nazis had about 35% out of the 60% who voted. They were seriously outnumbered by assholes like you who thought they would be pure and stay out of it.

            • DamOTclese2

              You’re nuts, absolutely nuts. I don’t play soccer, therefore I’m responsible for one of the teams winning, responsible for the other team losing. Amazing. You’re absolutely nuts.

            • Robert Eckert

              Then get the fuck off the Bunker if you think not playing is better.

            • DamOTclese2

              Make me, bitch.

              I wonder if you’re one of the dipshits that thinks atheism is a religion. Your “logic” is equal to that stupid notion. Go wash your hands, there’s blood on them.

            • Robert Eckert

              You are the one who says non-participation is better. Obviously you are lying when you pretend to believe that, since you continue participating.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Start writing a “long-time lurker, first time poster” letter and pick out a new username. I have conclusive evidence that you alone log in under multiple accounts, and people here hate that shit.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You love the word “frothing”. Where are the rest of your socks?

            • easily_amused

              Umm, Hitler was not voted in, he was installed Feb 1933. The Nazi’s were the biggest political party but usually got no more than 37% of the vote. My suggestion would be to check your facts before you spout shit off like that as a fact.

            • DamOTclese2

              The Nazi Party Acquired 14 Million Votes and Hitler was appointed Chancellor, getting all but 1 of the June 1921 votes by his Party.

              Maybe you had better check Wikipedia before opening your yip.

            • Robert Eckert

              His votes were about one-third of those who cast ballots, and were outnumbered by all the dipships like you who didn’t vote at all and could have stopped the whole thing.

            • easily_amused

              You are truly a dumbass. In 1921, the Nazi party was just forming so there wouldn’t be 14 million votes. He did receive 543 votes and only one against him to be the Fuhrer of the Nazi party. Read that number again 543 of his party constituents not 14 million. This is my field of study so I’m pretty damn sure we can play this game all night and you aren’t going to win.

              Btw, next time you want reliable information why not try the SHOAH foundation or USHM. They tend to be a little more accurate than wiki-fucking-pedia

            • DamOTclese2

              The idiot did not click on the link I posted showing the Nazi Party getting 14 million votes. Why is that? Head shoved up Fox News?

            • Robert Eckert

              Idiot, he knows the difference between 1921 and 1932. Do you?

            • DamOTclese2

              Idiot, you didn’t bother reading the article either, I see. Fox “News” again, huh?

              Edit: 14 million people voted in the Nazi Party knowing full well what Adolf Hitler stood for. Look at how many idiots voted for the Republican Party knowing full well what Mitt Romney stood for. (i.e. the corporate Oligarchy 1%)

            • Robert Eckert

              We don’t NEED to read the articles because we already KNOW that Hitler got 14 million votes in 1932, not 1921, and that this was 35% of the votes, and the Nazis would not even have been the largest party if the 40% of voters who didn’t even bother to cast ballots had stopped this. And you must be insanely stupid not to have understood by now that there is not a single Fox News fan anywhere on this thread.

            • DamOTclese2

              You continue to resist reason for some reason despite your constant demands you vote Democratic. -heh- You had some 41 million people vote in that election where 14 million of them voted for the Nationalist “Nazi” Party. 41 million idiots voted in a system that churned out another mass murdering monster, equal in tyranny if not in scope to Bush and Obama.

              Ask yourself what would have happened if “voting” had been permitted through the 1920s and 1930s and yet only 1 or 2 percent of the German populace qualified to vote bothered to vote. Go ahead, ask yourself what the consequences of that would have been. Take all the time ya need, idiot.

            • Robert Eckert

              Only 40% of the German populace qualified to vote bothered to vote. Go ahead, ask yourself what the consequences of that WERE. Take all the fucking time you need, dipshit.

            • DamOTclese2

              We know what the consequences of 40% of the populace voting was: We got Adolf Hitler.

              Thanks to idiots like you, we also got George W. Bush and Obama.

              Or didn’t you realize that was my point?

            • Robert Eckert

              Goddamn you and all your kind. If you non-voters stood up and were counted, we WOULDN’T have had Hitler, we WOULDN’T have had Bush.

              But if you are so convinced that doing and saying nothing is really better, then why the fuck can’t you just shut up and go away?

            • easily_amused

              He is absolutely insufferable. Robert, kudos for putting up with him.

            • DamOTclese2

              Your reading comprehend skills brands you an idiot. No offense, I’m sure.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You typed that sentence correctly, don’t edit it. You really showed him that he’s the idiot!

            • easily_amused

              She but he really did put me in my place didn’t he?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sorry about that!

            • easily_amused

              That’s okay!

            • Robert Eckert

              You are the one who absolutely fails to comprehend even the most basic facts that are written here.

            • DamOTclese2

              Humm… I can see you’re having difficulty understanding this simple concept.

              Let’s try this. Do you purchase lottery tickets? Are you one of the idiots that buys lottery tickets and when you lose Every. Single. Time. tell yourself “Well, can’t win if you don’t play!”

              The fact is that people who don’t buy lottery tickets are the winners, they’re not throwing their money away on an obvious fraud, a fraud that appeals only to dimwits who can’;t learn from their mistakes.

              So it is when you idiots vote. You assholes know it does not work, you know that the baby killers you vote in are all the same, the “change” you’re promised it complete bullshit, but being idiots you continue to purchase lottery tickets, thinking those who don’t buy lottery tickets are making you lose.

            • Robert Eckert

              Let’s examine the flaws in your analogy. A lottery ticket costs, for one thing. Now in the political case what costs you is not voting, but rather paying taxes. People are getting together to decide how to spend your money. You think it is “smart” not to take any part in that decision, and let everyone else decide for you.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You should work that into your “long-time lurker, first time poster” introduction. Maybe you won the lottery after a politician killed your baby, or something like that. At least you didn’t vote for them!! You need a new account tomorrow, start writing

            • easily_amused

              Holy hell, how many socks does he have?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              At least as many as are pictured in my screen grab below. Those all showed up to down vote and berate me minutes after DamOT/Public Buggering lost their temper in the last spat we had. As Disqus will prove, USA MRIID and India Crep showed up out of the blue tonight, after DamOT felt insulted, but Robert and I called him on the sock party before it started and he thought better of it.

            • easily_amused

              Ha! And you are purposely obtuse and completely insufferable. No offense, I’m sure.

            • DamOTclese2

              When I post anything you can find that is inaccurate, do please let me know, won’t you? Thanks so much in advance.

              Now trottle along and go buy some lottery tickets, idiot.

            • Robert Eckert

              She already let you know that it was grossly inaccurate to claim Hitler got 14 million votes in 1921, that you were idiotically confusing the 1932 election with an intra-party vote in which only a few hundred people participated. That was not a small error.

            • easily_amused

              Thank you, Robert. I had written something along the same lines but disqus keeps closing on me.

            • easily_amused

              Oh, I do. He is the idiot who wrote 1921 and that is why I corrected him.

            • easily_amused

              I wasn’t the idiot that wrote 1921. That would have been you. Not a Fox News fan but you certainly use the same logic as they do

            • DamOTclese2

              Here. You can lead a Republican to water yadda yadda…

              “The attacks continued, and reached fever pitch when SA storm leader Axel Schaffeld was assassinated. At the end of July, the Nazi party gained almost 14,000,000 votes, securing 230 seats in the Reichstag. Energised by the incredible results, Hitler asked to be made Chancellor. Papen offered the position of Vice Chancellor, but Hitler refused.”

            • easily_amused

              They got the vote making it the most powerful party but a few months later at another election those votes dropped. Even so he was supposed to, by the dictates of the Weimar constitution, been able to assume the seat of chancellor but Weimar PRESIDENT Paul Von Hindenburg was reluctant, to say the least, to appoint him.

            • Narapoid

              Robert, all I can say is take a fuckin pill. If there is a doubt in your mind that DamOTclese is not on the same side you are, and I believe you are from CW, $cientology has shit on everything, and this level headed pilgrim you are casting in with Nazis…. Chill out man, AND A RIGGED ELECTION is bullshit.

            • DamOTclese2

              :) I try to be on no side. :) I avoid voting because I’m on no side. This is also why I attempt to avoid politics and religion since it’s pointless. ‘Course some times I can’t. Stop. Myself from commenting.

              The idiot idea that I’m running a dozen sock accounts, love that lunacy.

            • Robert Eckert

              India Clese who showed up here claims to be Skeptic Tank, as you yourself have. USAMRIID was fingered as being you also, and you accepted that.

              If you want to avoid religion, then get the fuck off the Bunker. At the time you were first shown to be using socks, I defended you against the accusation that you were an OSA agent, but that is certainly how you are acting now.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Fact is its pointless to debate anything with anyone who gets frustrated easily and has to bring in sock accounts to make their point seem valid.

        • Narapoid

          Jimmy 3 and DamOtclese, the bloated half-formed animals that make our (US) decisions are the best we can do. That is why I don’t understand why I don’t understand why DM doesn’t run for congress.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Thank you for the smiles

            It is because he would need to carry more that 10 000 votes in a congressional district. (Sorry, being pedantic there)

            • Narapoid

              Thank you E-G 😉

            • DamOTclese2

              Hey, I would totally break my vows and vote for DM if he ran for Senator of California.

            • Narapoid

              Breathe in breathe out. Love ya baby

            • DamOTclese2

              DM would make a lovely Senator. I would break my vows and vote for him, sure. :)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Awww sweet way to wrap it up. Did you ever answer the question about why you bring in other accounts and personalities when you get angry? They don’t let you do that when you vote in elections. But you can get away with it on Disqus.

            • Narapoid

              Pedantic is ok

          • DamOTclese2

            The people who vote are responsible for the acts (and inactions) that politicians commit. Your attempts to pretend that people who refrain from playing pretend by “voting” is not rational. Blame people who vote, not those who know it’s a fraud designed to keep the sheep from rising up.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Wtf DamOT you only came with 2 extra socks? Last time it was like 12.

            • Narapoid

              Socks? Remember im a new guy

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Socks = sock puppets = additional accounts. Basically DamOT and people like him log in with multiple personalities when they feel threatened. It’s a shame you ran to his defense, but I don’t hold it against you.

            • Narapoid

              None Taken. But should DamOT feel threatened? Always thought was a she and kept my head cool when i could have done damage to the cause in Texas.

            • Robert Eckert

              Claims to be Frederic Rice of http://www.skeptictank.org/history.htm
              I am beginning to think DamOT has been an OSA infiltrator all along.

            • grundoon

              Check out his site. Not OSA.

            • Robert Eckert

              If he is OSA then his claim to be the “Skeptic Tank” guy would be a fake identity. I don’t think it is really true (I don’t think Zion/Flunk was really an OSA infiltrator either) but we do have to keep an open mind to the possibility.

            • grundoon

              It is definitely Skeptic Tank Guy.

            • Robert Eckert

              OK then.

            • 1subgenius

              All it takes for evil to triumph is for “good” people to do nothing.

        • Sibs

          I’m with Jimmy on this one. If you have the right to vote and you don’t use it at all (oligarchy conspiracy theories or not), then you shouldn’t complain when the government doesn’t work for you. When it was your shot to have your say, you didn’t even try to participate.

          (and there’s no point in biting my head off over this one, I’m going to bed because I have a job interview tomorrow morning)

          • DamOTclese2

            You have it backwards. The people who vote have no excuses when their politicians commit war crimes and USA PATRIOT Act treason against their country. If you vote, you get the government you deserve.

            People who refuse to be party to the crimes that politicians commit have every right to point at the people who vote as being responsible for the politicians they vote for.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            DamOT is an emotionally fragile, sorry individual… or multiple depending on how many socks he wants to involve. But he won’t be able to bite your head off, because at this point he knows his gig is up and he’s treading water. Good luck with the interview tomorrow

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      It is disgusting. Many good people with families draw a paycheck from the government. They are continually used as pawns in a political game, with their livelihoods being cast aside as collateral damage. FOR SHAME.

      • Jon Hendry

        Congress is going to keep gettin’ paid, though.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Of course they will. This shit will never be fixed until each state reforms their re-districting rules. There is simply no way to vote out a particular party representative in certain districts due to the way the maps are re-drawn to skew in favor of the current ruling party. My ire is directed at the scumbag Republican Party, but I know it goes both ways. Fix this, and in 40 years we may have a balanced Congress.

          • Jon Hendry

            I’d *love* an algorithmic approach with random perturbation of boundaries every time, to make small adjustments (like, a block or two one way or the other) to keep things fluid, but designed to find the smallest possible area for a district. No ridiculous gerrymandered districts.

            • Robert Eckert

              Iowa and California have nonpartisan districting commissions, which work with software to generate compact districts without regard to what the incumbents would like.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I was going to point to Iowa, too. It is not perfect, but it is better than the system that exists, now

  • EnthralledObserver

    WTF is this federal govt shutting down headline I read? huh?

    • Jon Hendry

      It was either shut down the government, or give working poor people access to healthcare. {Really, the GOP had no choice.}

      • Rita Gregory

        Ya, God forbid they do something Obama wants.

      • Eclipse-girl

        You forgot the satire brackets, jon

        • Jon Hendry

          Doh, sorry.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Sorry, they were necessary for me. After being immersed in DM speech, I actually need a little help

      • EnthralledObserver

        ?? Well, heaven forbid that the government takes the taxes it collects off its citizens and spends it on them for their benefit… no, that would make too much sense.
        Only in America, eh? Fuck me.

        • Narapoid

          Enthralled Baby, what are ya new?

          • EnthralledObserver

            Meaning??? I don’t get it.

            • Narapoid

              I wish I could go back to Aussie land. May still yet if they don’t care about…
              Well, the election cycle never stops and the dumbest people on the planet let alone North America can spew the most ignorant and vile BS….

              I will come back as a back packer from Darwin around east Ausie to Perth. Miss it more than I knew when I was there…

            • EnthralledObserver

              Whilst not perfect, I’m quite content with my country. Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi!!!!!

            • Narapoid

              Love ya baby and your Nation!

            • Nevermore

              No offence to all you foreign fellows, but I am so glad I’m British. The NHS (despite all the scaremongering about it in some places) is not perfect, but I’m glad I have it!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh, I’m so with you… being Aussie, our Medicare pretty much shits all over the US system – waiting times and all! It needs tweeking, and a greater share of the budget, but it’s great to know I’ve got it there.

            • jeff

              Yeah…..Tony Abbot, definitely not perfect….I have made three trips to Oz and it’s beautiful, and most all of the people are nice and in another life I would emigrate there, but alas, it is not to be…

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am so old I would have to pay Australia , or NZ mega $ to be able to emigrate. I have enjoyed visiting. And hope to do so again

            • EnthralledObserver

              Still undecided about Abbott, it’s early days for me… but I’m just happy to be rid of Labor – no matter who was at the helm.

            • DamOTclese2

              You don’t get American politics because we don’t have elections in the United States, not really. Votes here are a sham, the Wall Street Oligarchs and Saudi Arabia decide who their fake “President” is going to be, and the sheeple who still think voting works cast their pretend ballots, not one of which actually means anything.

            • EnthralledObserver

              No, DamOT – that comment was only in response to Narapoid asking if I was new – I wasn’t sure what they were asking was I new to.
              I don’t understand US politics, because I am too lazy to look it up and learn it.
              Poor Americans – a nation full of extremists of all kinds – I’d hate to be just a regular Joe in your country, being forgotten between a tug of war of lunatics.

            • DamOTclese2

              LOL, it’s a madhouse, it really is, and all of the chimpanzees have high capacity magazines in their plentiful, cheap guns.

              Your country spends 1.7% of its GDP on “defense” whereas the United States spends 4.4%. Globally the average is 2.5%. It’s easy to see how the corporate Oligarchy rules the United States and the politicians are mere puppets.

            • Jon Hendry

              Yup, the mining industries have *no* influence in Australia, nope, none at all.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I LOVE the mining money my hubby brings home – so back off – let them have all the say they want.
              jks, jks…

          • Robert Eckert

            She’s Australian and has been spared the endless rehashings of these arguments which Americans have been subjected to.

            • DamOTclese2

              Since she’s in Australia, it also means that she must vote else she has to pay a fee:

              “The Australians brought in a system of compulsory attendance at
              elections in 1924. Voters are obliged to attend the polling station but
              can leave without voting after ticking their names off. Non-attendees
              face fines of AU$20-$AU50 (about £9 – £21) and possible imprisonment if
              they refuse to pay their fines (as punishment for failing to pay rather
              than for not voting). In a nation built on immigration, Australian
              supporters of the system say compulsory voting is a symbol of the
              integration of new arrivals into the Australian way of doing things.”

              Got to keep the sheep believing that voting works, even if they must be punished if they know the truth.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yes, voting is compulsory – but only if you’ve registered to vote in the first place.
              There may or may not be a political conspiracy going on in your nation, but I don’t believe it occurs this way in ours. We can, and do, frequently have independents involved in government at all levels, this wouldn’t occur if the political system was owned by the illuminati, or some such others.
              US government just needs more checks and balances – independent politicians!

            • Jon Hendry

              Australia’s party system is a little crazy.

              I mean, “Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party”? And they have a seat in the Senate?! ;^)

            • EnthralledObserver

              Really? Who? What state for?

            • Jon Hendry

              http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-motoring-enthusiast-partys-ricky-muir-secures-senate-spot-in-victoria-20131001-2uq6o.html

              “The Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party has officially won a spot in the Senate, following the official announcement of the Victorian Senate results by the Australian Electoral Commission on Tuesday.

              The Motoring Party’s Ricky Muir, who has previously starred in a home video throwing kangaroo poo, has edged out Liberal senate whip Helen Kroger for the sixth and final position”

            • EnthralledObserver

              lol… well there is that whole Bathurst Holden versus Ford sub-culture – the poor bogans, who else would stand up for their desires?
              I wonder if this outcome was anything to do with the preferences issue that Xenophon (and others) was making noises about?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              So if all of us were as wise as you and came to the realization that elections are bullshit and voting is ridiculous… stupid friggen sheep.. How would we as a society govern ourselves? Please, treat us to a mere taste of your wisdom.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Well, to stick myself in the middle here – he’s stating that the elections are fraudulent (I have no idea if they are or aren’t). If perhaps they were carried out lawfully then maybe that might be a different kettle of fish.

            • Robert Eckert

              They’re carried out lawfully, but one of the kinds of craziness we have here is people who think they are purer if they take no part in it, meaning that if evil bastards want power they only have to get a relatively small number of backers to have their way.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I guess that wasn’t as clear as I thought – I have no personal opinion on whether your elections are performed lawfully.
              I was merely pointing out that DamOT believed they weren’t – and THAT was his problem with elections. He’s against unlawful elections, and should there be a way to prove to him/her the elections were lawful, then maybe he’d have a different opinion or viewpoint.
              That’s all. Carry on…

            • Robert Eckert

              “I was merely pointing out that DamOT believed they weren’t” No, that isn’t what he is saying. He thinks it is wrong to participate in elections, regardless, because politicians will still do some wrong things, so you are only morally pure if you do nothing.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Hmmm… well, I broke his argument down further than that personally – but you are free to have your own interpretation.
              :)

            • ThetaBara

              The people who feel all righteous for not voting are all sur fac’y you know whats.
              I was going to stay out of this. But I really appreciated you sticking up for me when I was stuck in my own sur fac’y bs not long ago, so I logged back on to say so.
              You’re totally right – but they’ll never give in. And it’s just the Internet. :-)

            • Narapoid

              Enthralled, I wish I could live with you. Well.. Not WITH you, that would be presumptuous… But 19 Million Aussies making their way VS 300+ million scratching, crawling, betraying Yankees… No we’re not that bad. Just don’t look at our Congress.

            • EnthralledObserver

              You’d be welcome Narapoid… 😉

        • Robert Eckert

          Oh, it is much sillier than you think. “Obamacare” mostly is not about taking taxes and spending them on healthcare for the poor: a minor amount of that kind of thing is done already (called “Medicare”) but there is only a little tinkering around the edges with how much of that there will be from now. Instead of any kind of nationalized healthcare system, we will still have a private-insurance-firm system, but the insurers now have to take everybody and everybody is pressured to participate by monetary penalties if they aren’t poor enough for Medicare but don’t want to buy insurance either. This is somehow described as “socialism”, indeed “communism”. A rather minor and arcane policy disagreement is being treated as an apocalyptic threat to democracy and capitalism: if Obamacare goes through, we will apparently be rounded up into Gulags.

          • Rita Gregory

            Don’t forget those “death panels”!

            • DamOTclese2

              Death panels are real. I saw them on Fox News.

          • EnthralledObserver

            So, shutting down the govt is being used as a threat? And those against Obamacare think that Obamacare is the first step into slavery?

            • Jon Hendry

              Basically, yes. That’s the gist of the conservative-leaning coverage, such as Murdoch’s Fox News.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s not just the first step, it’s the irretrievable destruction of all our values, so they have to shut down everything until the Democrats see the light of truth, justice, and the American way.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Just like some people have been trying to dismantle the social safety net first started by FDR because Social Security is such a {BAD} thing

            • EnthralledObserver

              The “American Way”… “Un-Australian” these little catch-phrases are interesting in their own way, aren’t they?

            • Narapoid

              Truth Justice and the Tea Party way. The way we’ve been covering our health care so far? thos with Insurance covers for every one else and the state picks up the rest? Come on Robert, no bumper sticker BS here. We can do better,

            • Robert Eckert

              I meant to include the sarcasm brackets.

    • USA MRIID

      It just means “more of the same.”

  • Eclipse-girl

    OK, Someone else linked to this link

    SAVE IT.

    It is a link to the FREEDOM mag that was the gist of Tony’s article.

    I have only read the first article and wanted to vomit.

    http://www.freedommag.org/special-reports/sources/posse-of-lunatics.html

    just keep clicking through the pages. I think it is all there.

  • EnthralledObserver

    While the US Govt is shut down, it might be a good time to entirely review the IRS and make a few changes…???

    • Jon Hendry

      With these cack-handed knuckleheads in Congress? Not a good time.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I don’t have a good grasp on the US governmental system, forgive me… so, congress is running the show atm? Where does it go from here?

        • Jon Hendry

          The issue is a “continuing resolution” to fund the government’s operations. We’ve been using these temporary measures for a while because Congress can’t manage to pass a budget.

          The Republicans in the House (which they control) keep trying to add conditions to the continuing resolution that would defund or delay Obama’s healthcare law, along with nonsense like allowing any company to decide its female employees’ birth control won’t be covered by the health insurance provided by the company. So they keep passing bills with this nonsense, and sending them to the Senate.

          The Senate, which the Democrats control, and is somewhat more sane, keeps rejecting the bills that come from the House. I think the Senate may have passed a continuing resolution bill that is ‘clean’, without any nonsense. But both houses have to pass the same bill, so there’s some back and forth and negotiation.

          So they’re going to keep going back and forth until the Republicans in the House give up and pass a continuing resolution without nonsense.

          In the meantime, the Executive branch will presumably be “essential personnel and functions only”. So a lot of people are going to be staying home and won’t get paid. (Congress will still be paid.) Also, a bill was passed so that the military personnel will still get paid.

          Plus for the moment our bills and debts will continue to be paid.

          But pretty soon we’re going to hit what’s called the “Debt Limit” which is a limit set by Congress on what the government can borrow. If we hit that, it’s a serious problem. Congress has already passed laws telling the Executive branch to spend money on various things, but Republicans threaten to not raise the debt limit in tantrums to get what they want.

          Ugh.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            That is a fantastic synopsis. Bravo!

            • Jon Hendry

              Why thank you.

        • Jon Hendry

          Periodically some academic will say the US needs a Constitutional Convention to really clean up and fix issues with the Constitution. The very idea gives me the willies. We’d end up the United States of Jesusland with some kind of Christian Sharia codified in the Constitution.

    • DodoTheLaser

      IRS is the part of US Govt and during a shutdown all the audits are postponed. Unfortunately.

      • Jon Hendry

        It’s my understanding audits and other enforcement-related activities have been at a very low rate lately. So probably not much of a difference there.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Arbitraries are CANCELLED – everyone rejoice!!!!

  • Aslansown

    Sorry this is so late — just got in — but I just wanted to join the chorus of people who were impressed with Leah. She looks more and more confident every week and I’m so happy for her!

    Also since I don’t tweet, I sent an email to her sister Nicole through her website telling her that everyone in the Bunker is rooting for, and voting for Leah and how much I admire her courage and grace. I don’t know if I’ll ever get a reply but I just wanted to send her encouragement.

    • Moorwalker

      Never thought I’d end up watching DWTS week after week, but it’s been wonderful to see how Leah’s handled this. Courage and grace, exactly :-)

      • Aslansown

        I’ve never watched it before, but I’m loving watch her grow in confidence by doing this. I think it’s one of the best things she could have done to get herself out there and shake off the negative self-talk that the “church” has indoctrinated her into. (I still can’t get over what a great move it was to be photographed with “Blown for Good” — genius!

        I also have to say that I love that it’s probably driving KA crazy!!! 😉

        • Moorwalker

          I confess, I’d love to watch a livestream of Kirstie watching the show — because you know she’s watching it, and you know she’s making the nastiest faces and gestures the entire time.

          • Aslansown

            I know! Her middle finger is getting a workout, and I’m sure she and the other Scilons are voting for anybody besides Leah!

            • Moorwalker

              I borrow my neighbor’s cell phone every Monday night, just so I can dial out another batch of votes. My neighbor is bemused, but hey, every vote counts.

            • Aslansown

              That’s hilarious!! I told Nicole in my email that we vote with as many phones as we can — you’ve gone beyond the call! 😀

            • Moorwalker

              It meant coming out of the “I was in the CoS” closet to her and filling her in on the Leah situation, so it’s led to some good conversations. And now I get to be the neighborhood ex-cultie, ha.

            • Aslansown

              Good for you for talking to her about Leah and about your own past. You’re showing great courage too by doing that and who knows — you might get her to be a Bunkerite!

            • Moorwalker

              She’s been very supportive. It’s only somewhat recently that I’ve started talking about it, and even then only with certain people, and commenting online about it. I’m most comfortable here in the Bunker — you’re a very understanding and welcoming group, and I enjoy your company :-)

            • Aslansown

              I can only imagine that it’s really hard to “come out” to others about your time in the “church.” I know what you mean about the Bunker — it’s like a support group.

            • Moorwalker

              Even better, a snarky support group. People with brains and senses of humor are precious.

            • Aslansown

              Exactly!

            • Robert Eckert

              What use would a support group be without snark?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              We manage two cell phones and a land line here…

            • Moorwalker

              That’s what I’m rolling with, plus the online voting, and I’ve enlisted my neighbor in the online voting, too, and as of this week she’s got her mother calling and voting online.

            • Rita Gregory

              Cool! That gives me an idea!

          • DodoTheLaser

            I hope she also sips on some Patron/Goose or whatever.
            Them transitions can be really tough.

        • kickingit101

          I picture KA sitting on her bed surrounded by empty food containers, eating greasy chicken legs with one in each hand. Taking a bite out of one when Leah comes on and her half eating with her mouth open, chomping and screaming curse words at the TV, spewing food all over her very messy bed and dirty, food stained pajamas.

          • Aslansown

            You paint a picture with words!! Love it!

    • Eclipse-girl

      I admit I only watch the Leah clips, but Leah is doing really well.

      I think sending her sister a message that We care is great. TY for doing that.

      • Aslansown

        Yeah — I only watch Leah. She looks so great and is getting good scores. I hope she lasts for awhile although there are people who actually are dancers that will probably last longer…but the important thing is that she really put herself out there!

    • ThetaBara

      Leah is doing amazingly well, especially for someone with no dance experience! Her partner is fantastic. I love it!

      • Aslansown

        Yes she is. I love her partner too!

  • DodoTheLaser

    I bet TonyO got a hold of a new issue of Freedom Mag by now.

    • Rita Gregory

      Gosh I hope so! I’d love to hear what’s in it.

    • Aslansown

      Isn’t the photo up top showing that John Sugg is editor from the latest one? And BTW, how do you pronounce his last name??

      • Rita Gregory

        The magazine it was taken from isn’t Tony O’s copy.

        • Aslansown

          Oh – I didn’t realize that. Thanks for clarifying.

        • DodoTheLaser

          This is the first time, that I can think of, when people actually wanted to see the Freedom Mag and it was not readily available. Paging OTVIIIisGreat!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It’s not from the magazine, it’s from the web site.

        • Rita Gregory

          Quoting Tony here…”Last night, St. Petersburg, Florida blogger Peter Schorsch noted that he’d received a copy of the “re-launched” Freedom magazine, which he said arrived this week. He provided an image of the magazine’s masthead, to show his discovery.” As far as I know the web site hasn’t been updated.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Ah. I saw “image” and thought web site.

            So they are actually publishing again!?! Be still my heart!

          • DodoTheLaser

            Why Peter didn’t blog anything about the content? I still wonder…

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Looked like a quickie blind item to me. What I am surprised by is that Sugg (pronounced “SUCK” but with a “g”) edited a whole issue before anyone found out he had the gig. Now there’s a basic failure of research…!

        • Aslansown

          Thanks. I really should log off when I’m really tired!

  • Aslansown

    Goodnight all. My Big Pharma sleeping meds are kicking in big time. No telling what I’ll write if I don’t get off the computer!

  • dbloch7986

    Just wanted to pop in while I had WiFi at this motel in Tuscon and update everyone. I am headed to East Texas. I spent the weekend in Palm Springs, CA with a dozen or so friends. We had a blast. Won $200 at the local casino. Left this morning after saying my final good-byes. (More like see-ya-laters.) Tomorrow I’ll tackle New Mexico. Maybe get to El Paso before I decide to take another break. Here are some pics from the weekend and from today.

    I should be reunited with my Aunts, Uncles, Cousins and Grandparents before the week is out. Then from there I’ll be finding a place in Austin for the new job.

    I found out from my cousin that my parents are planning a visit to Texas soon (no exact date). My extended family has promised to keep me shielded from them, so I am not worried. Can’t help but to admire the coincidence.

    • Rita Gregory

      Good to see you! Have a safe trip and when you get to Austin make sure you help to “Keep Austin Weird”! :)

      • dbloch7986

        Oh I will! I’ve lived down the street from Hollywood for the last 15 years. I don’t think Austin knows that kind of weird!

    • Robert Eckert
      • dbloch7986

        Thanks Robert! I am driving as safe as Arizona law permits. LOL

    • aquaclara

      Oh, it’s great to hear from you! Nice win, and even nicer friends there. Your luck has been well-earned.
      Hope the rest of the road trip goes well!

    • Missionary Kid

      Enjoy your trip. Be careful driving into the rising sun in the morning. Take a break if it gets directly in your eyes.

      I’m glad to hear you’re on your way. Have a safe journey.

  • i-Betty

    I didn’t have time to scroll down a zillion pages for Leah’s dance last night, so here’s a link for the early birds (or YouTube ‘DWTS Leah Remini Week 3’)

    :)

    http://youtu.be/juUQgp9ntc8

    • Rita Gregory

      It was great wasn’t it?

      • i-Betty

        Oh, Rita, I LOVED it! I’m so upset we don’t get DWTS in the UK any more. I’m a massive Strictly fan, so the more sequins and Lycra the better, for me! 😀 Any, yes – she was gorgeous!

        • Rita Gregory

          I think her partner has been great for her self confidence. She seems stronger every week.

    • 1subgenius

      I’m projecting a lot here, but what I see is her learning what it is to be around normal people.
      You can see her listening to the reviews/criticism/praise intently and beginning to understand that good or bad, it is done honestly and with no agenda. And she is absorbing it all. Not just the feedback, but the normality of its process.
      And the fact that she has set a real goal in the real world, for which she can get real measurement of her real progress, is re-wiring her brain in a very good way.
      The physical aspect of dancing is also creating new neural pathways. The brain is a very cool thing (it’s my second favorite organ.
      Whatever she achieves, however far she goes, she has already done a lot to recover from the cerebral atrophy caused by many years of brainwashing.
      I’m projecting a lot here, but I can’t help it. I am stuck with using the only instrument I have to observe with, my own neurological system.
      .

      • ThetaBara

        I agree. The clips from their rehearsals are very revealing. Tony seems like a truly great guy as well as a fantastic dance coach. And she really seems to be coming out of her shell more and more.

        I’m even more impressed with her performances when I remember that she’s never really danced before. Ballroom is very demanding. When I started learning dance it took me ages to get to where I wasn’t just utterly uncoordinated. She’s clearly been working her butt off and her posture, extension and poise are impressive! Go, Leah, go! We’re all rooting for you!

        • 1subgenius

          Demanding, and dangerous, as with all dancing at a certain level, not just ballroom.
          (I’m still nursing a knee injury from being pushed beyond my limits)
          Bill Nye, and I think maybe another, have already suffered serious injuries. BTW Bill Nye soldiered on and did the cutest robot dance to Daft Punk, with his leg in a brace!!!!
          He should win just for that effort. His ortho recommended a wheel-chair
          To go, as Leah has, from NO dancing to what she has is impressive. FUCK, it’s hard enough, as you say, just to remember what you’re supposed to do and not look clutzy, much less execute it well, AND do so without injuring yourself.
          I said elsewhere, that I actually previously got interested and excited to watch it mostly to see if there’s any injuries, or falls, etc (looking at you Kirstie, ha ha), which is why I believe many watch NASCAR.
          It’s fucking hard.
          Don’t understand, or appreciate ballet? Just observe it as athletic achievement.
          And try it. Heh.
          To continue the rant, I read years ago that when tested, the local ballet company had better muscle strength than the local pro football team.
          Don’t believe it? Just hold your arm outstretched and see how long you can do it.

          • ThetaBara

            I can do it longer than the average bear, because I’ve learned that the secret to holding your arm outstretched is to engage the shoulder muscles (which are bigger and stronger). And also because the form I study has a lot of outstretched arms. 😉
            But you are totally right! Now, do it while playing finger cymbals! 😉 😉

            • 1subgenius

              Longer than average and you still start to realize how damn heavy your arm is.
              And no one can do it indefinitely. Or for an unlimited number of reps.
              My point, and I think I have, or had one (damn I love Ellen for giving me that line), is that an arm, leg, head, has weight, and it is in fact weight lifting to lift it.

            • ThetaBara

              Exactly! It’s actually easier to hold your arms straight up (and vertical!) above your head than outstretched. I love that there is a dance show on tv. Most people have no idea how hard it is. What kind of dance do you do?

            • 1subgenius

              Sorry, already too much of a

            • ThetaBara

              PS: always good to meet another dancer. I hope your knee recovers quickly!
              Ice it – or do whatever they are telling you to do. 😉

            • 1subgenius

              Or backwards wearing heels.

  • Unex Skcus
  • Jon Hendry

    1454. Slow day…

    • aquaclara

      Just got caught up, and instead of lots of DWTS or other on-topic chat, it appears that a firestorm of a derail broke out. What a waste of time that looks to have been.

      Anyway, glad we have a new day ahead….and Leah did great!

  • Nevermore

    11.06 UK time, and it’s unusually quiet in here!

    • Graham

      We’re all waiting for the action to start up again at noon!

      I was talking briefly to an American tourist on Saturday who was over from Portland Oregon. I asked him if $cientology was anywhere on his personal radar. His reply: “Oh, they’re alive and well.. Evil. Evil.” didn’t get time to quiz him further.

      Mentioned $camatology to a friend who said, “O yes, the only religion that teaches that the universe is older than it actually is”

      • aquaclara

        Thanks for sharing these! I love hearing the opinions of regular people….

  • Nevermore

    Karen posted this on the SPs’r’US FB page – you American chaps might want to watch it.

    ‘I have wondered about Sheriff Lee Baca.Shilling for the *Church* in Uniform.
    Attending Ideal org openings, heading the “way to Happiness” float as Grandmaster.
    Tonight ABC news does an expose on him in the 11pm news.’

    • Aslansown

      Thanks for letting us know.

  • philosofa

    Hi chaps – am back in the Bunker again. Had a family “enturbulation” to deal with but all is well in chez philosofa now. Can see that it’s been a busy few days here – just had time to do a bit of upvoting whenever I peeped in!

    Interesting article Tony. I wonder if John Sugg – who seems like a fairly decent journalist – has now become a full-time Cof$ apologist/editor or if he will still be doing any proper journalism on the side? Hope he doesn’t ruin his career.

  • Artoo45

    I just told a client of mine about this. He was Sugg’s editor in Florida in the 80s. He’s utterly flabbergasted saying that Sugg HATED the Scilons with a passion. The plot thickens . . .