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Putting back a family ripped apart by Scientology can be easier said than done

[Claudio Lugli and his son Flavio, in 1990]

On Thursday, we told you about what appeared to be a new development in Scientology’s “disconnection” policy that rips apart families. Like so many other parents, Claudio and Renata Lugli have not heard from their son Flavio in years because they chose to leave the Church of Scientology and he did not. But after not hearing from him for six years, Flavio suddenly started a blog.

In his blog, Flavio accused his parents of disconnecting from him and not the other way around, and of hiding “sins” that they would have to atone for. Flavio’s brother, Tiziano Lugli, told us the language in Flavio’s blog didn’t sound like him, and that he suspected it was the work of a Scientology Office of Special Affairs operative in Brescia, Italy, who has targeted Claudio and Renata with other online attacks.

Now, we have some new developments to tell you about and that we thought would be interesting for the many other families who have spent years hoping they could at least talk to their loved ones in Scientology.

After seeing our story, a tipster gave us what they said was a telephone number for Flavio, which we passed on to Claudio and Renata Lugli. They called it and it did not ring to Flavio, but it did lead to someone who eventually told them how to reach Flavio. Here’s what Claudio told us:

We called the number, but a female voice answered that sounded very similar to Flavio’s wife Jelena. So we hung up and called Hania Mrkos, Jelena’s father, and gave him the number to call.

After ten minutes he called us and said “I spoke to Flavio! The girl you heard was not Jelena, so I asked for Flavio and they put him on the phone. He was very friendly, told me he had bought a motorcycle, and that he was happy. It was a very social call. I asked him how was Jelena and he said she was good. I asked him to tell her to call me. He said he would and then said goodbye.”

Wow. So we used the same number and we called him. He was so excited we could hear his voice shaking. I said “Ciao, Flavio, it’s me, your dad.” After a bit of a time lag he answered, “Ciao, how are you?”

I said that I was doing fine and asked how about him and he answered he was doing great and that he was on the East Coast.

Then we told him we had seen the blog and that we were very surprised that “he” wrote on it that “we had abandoned him!” He hesitated a long time and then answered, “Well, OK, I understand.” So Renata asked him why he wrote that we had never been a true family. He didn’t answer that, but he replied that this communication was very strange, and it was strange that it happened while he was on tour. So he was avoiding the issue. We pointed out again that he had said on the blog that we had abandoned him, but here we were, getting his number and calling him.

Very surprisingly, he said, “Finally, you tracked me down.”

We decided to take on the disconnection directly, and we asked him if he could continue to communicate with us. He said that we were the ones who had chosen the wrong path, so how could we stay in communication?

“Which path are you talking about?” I asked, and he said that we had chosen to go on the Internet and say bad things. I said what we had said online was only the truth, but he didn’t want to discuss it. “I love you and you love me and that’s it, end of cycle,” he said.

But I pushed him, asking him why he was allowing OSA to write on the Internet that we had never been a good family. He didn’t answer, and I thought it was a sign that he didn’t actually know what OSA had been saying about us. He said his only interest was that we should leave him and his church alone.

Renata took the phone and told him that she was sorry, because karma would not be kind to him in the future for treating her the way he had and betraying her. She said he should fix things, and stop being loyal to a David Miscavige — and she did not use kind words about Miscavige. Flavio said nothing for a while before he said “I understand,” and tried to switch to small talk — what we call “good roads, fair weather” talk in Scientology.

I spoke to him again and told him that I just wanted him to be well and to do well in life and that we are not putting anything negative about him on the ‘net, and I said he should ask his friends in OSA what they’ve been doing to us. He said he was just auditing and going up the Bridge and that he didn’t want to be involved in all this mess. He said the conversation we were having was weird. I said it was a good thing that we were talking, and that we were here for him as we always have been in case he needs our help.

He said he was on the road and he was auditing and doing what he liked to do, and if we went a different direction that as our choice, but he doesn’t hate us for it. We told him we had chosen a different path because Scientology was not what we had known it to be, that it had been perverted and we felt it was our duty to inform him of that. He didn’t like that, and told us it was just our viewpoint, saying, “Really, there is no problem in Scientology whatsoever.”

If there wasn’t a problem, I said, then why does he have to be disconnected from us? Why couldn’t we talk freely about our points of view? He didn’t answer for a long time, and then he just repeated that he was doing well, and he was on the road and auditing. I pushed the point again, saying if things were so good, why couldn’t a father and a son have a relationship just because they had different views? He started making excuses that it wasn’t his phone and he needed to get off the line. And he told us again he wanted us not to write the things we did on the Internet, and that he had not disconnected from us, we had just chosen our own direction.

I didn’t like that and said, “What are you talking about, you never disconnected? We haven’t heard from you in six years.” And he said, “It was you that took that road, I never did. You put me on this path to auditing, and for that I thank you.”

Renata at that point brought up what was on his blog, that we had committed “big crimes,” that we had “big sins” and that we knew what they were. He said he had to get off the phone. Renata said it was obvious he didn’t even know what OSA had written about us under his name. That it looks like he’s the one accusing us of these things. And I asked him if he knew how OSA had been attacking us and fair gaming us. But he kept making excuses about having to get off the phone.

“I have to go. Please don’t call me at this number again, it’s a work phone,” he said. We told him he could call us any time, that our phone numbers had not changed. He said he loved us, and that he just hoped things went well with us, and that he was carrying on. Renata had the last word, and she said, “May the force be with you.”

We had to ask Claudio — did Renata really end it that way, “May the force be with you,” like from ‘Star Wars’?

“Yes, she did! What could she say? We were feeling happiness and sadness. It was sort of saying good luck in way that was real to him,” Claudio said.

After we heard from Claudio, we checked Flavio’s blog, and he — or his handler — had posted something of his own about the phone conversation…

Just the other day, in a strange way (I would almost say it was a miracle) I found myself on the phone with my mom and dad! It was about 14:30 (American time) on Thursday, I was in Cincinnati (Ohio, USA) and the phone in my office was ringing. I was pleased to hear from them after so long.

They were both good, and I took the opportunity to tell him how much success I’m having, and how much success I’m having practicing what I know to create a better world. I will never cease to be grateful to them for introducing me to Scientology, and for bringing me into the Church. They know that I love them very much and I have never [blamed] them. What we said it’s just between me and them and will always be ours, even after many thousands of kilometers away.

There’s only one thing I want to say about in my blog, so that it is clear for those who do not know me. I asked my parents to stop telling people all those bad things on the Internet, because it is something that bothers me. I really hope that they understand … I’d like someone one day bring me the news that they are not saying so many bad things about who I am and my Church. Hello mother, hello father.

— Flavio

We hesitate to make much comment about these exchanges. We’re sure Claudio and Renata are going over what they said and second-guessing themselves about the best thing to say after not hearing from Flavio in six years.

We know that they are grateful that they even had this opportunity, an opportunity that so many other families don’t get. We can see things in their exchange that must hearten them, and others that must discourage them.

We’d like to hear from other disconnected families and from the experts. If you had only a few minutes to speak with your lost Scientology family member after several years, what would you say?

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

The Atlanta crew is heading out to push Dianetics on the world!

 

 
How many of those Atlanta folks know that the book they’re pushing contains this passage?

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on January 30, 2017 at 07:00

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  • Faux Gibbler

    You nailed it Tony,

    We hesitate to make much comment about these exchanges. We’re sure Claudio and Renata are going over what they said and second-guessing themselves about the best thing to say after not hearing from Flavio in six years.

  • Hahahaha.
    JAMES Packer’s ex fiance Tziporah Malkah said she felt muzzled by the billionaire businessman.
    The former model and actor — who was previously known as Kate Fischer — said she is also scared of speaking out on Scientology, a religion she was introduced to by her former partner.
    “I don’t want to get murdered so I would rather not comment about Scientologists,” Malkah told News Corp, having changed her name when she converted to Judaism.
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/television/tziporah-malkah-speaks-up-about-scientology-and-james-packer-before-joining-reality-tv-show/news-story/56035f95648f31c041b4570dcb3bb861

    • Tony Ortega

      Not sure how that works. She was engaged to him in the 1990s. He was in Scientology 2002-2006.

      • Franklin Adams

        Attention seeking maybe?

        • One drawback of a higher pubic profile for Scientology is that some people will jump onto the bandwagon in order to publicise themselves.

          • Observer

            Oh myyyyyyy…that’s not the kind of profile I’d want to see for Scientology or anyone in it

            • I meant, now that Scientology is getting very bad publicity, some people will trump up stories of having been abused to draw attention to themselves.

            • Observer

              I meant the “pubic” profile. 🙂

  • itsIBBy

    I was doing great until I got to that passage from Dianetics and then wanted to vomit. Fuck you Hubbard. 7 year olds are CHILDREN, not ageless little spirits you sick fuck.

    I’m glad that Claudio and Renata got to connect, however briefly, with their son. I imagine it was bittersweet and difficult

    I need a drink.

  • arcinva

    I only say this here because none of my friends on Facebook would understand. But…

    Sean Spicer is to Trump as Karin Pouw is to Miscavige.

    The way the Trump administration responds to criticism is just so eerily similar to how CoS responds to criticism.

    • jayla197145

      Arcinva, excellent observation. If it weren’t so awful, it would be almost funny watching Sean Spicer trying to explain away Trump’s actions and spin them into something good. BTW, are you new here? I’m pretty new here, so if you are not, I’m sorry for asking, but if you are, a very warm welcome to you. 🙂 Nice to see you here! 🙂

      • arcinva

        Right down to the fact that I don’t think the words Spicer uses are his own. He called Trump’s critics “pathetic”. I honestly don’t think Spicer himself would ever do that. I think that word was given to him by Trump.

        Nah, I’m not new. I’ve been following this insanity for awhile and was here when the blog started. I just don’t comment too often. 🙂 But, welcome to you!

        • jayla197145

          I agree with you! I feel like Spicer is thinking “please let me remember all the things I was told to say…please don’t let me say the wrong thing and get Trump furious with me.”
          And, thank you so much Hunny for welcoming me!! 🙂 I’m having a lot of fun here! 🙂 🙂

  • Lem Apperson

    The ‘Atlanta’ photo above bothers me. The four black people are shown behind the seven white people. I’m sure it is a staged photo, but from a diversity standpoint they failed.

    • flyonthewall

      at least they’re consistent

    • That’s another thing that amazes me about Scientology – the fact that black people join the CofS despite Hubbard’s incredibly racist writings (especially those he produced when he was trying to ingratiate himself with the Rhodesian regime).

      Do they never encounter those writings, or are they actively hidden from them?

      • Ben Franklin

        If they posted Hubbard’s racist writings at the entrance, I am certain you may see a lot of black people thinking twice before joining Scientology. The problem is that those racist writings are well hidden and not brought up often or talked about,

        • Same goes for his blaterations about women, I suppose.

      • Franklin Adams

        Considering how well Rhodesia turned out for Hubs, I doubt they make that big a deal of it. I’m a never-in though, so I have no idea.

        I do know a lot about Rhodesia/Zimbabwe and the War, and he never rates a mention from anyone, compared to like how important the Salvation Army and the Hospital near Chiweshe was and is. I had no idea about any of that until I started following the Bunker in all honesty.

        • Frodis73

          Glad to hear your hand is okay btw.

          • Franklin Adams

            Thanks! I do really appreciate everyone being concerned about it. That’s why ya’ll are my second family.

            Its just amazing that we have an actual community here, I say it all the time, but its mindblowing to me.

      • JJ

        If anyone really read all the text, tech and teachings before they got in, lots of people wouldn’t go in to begin with. It seems if you are not LRH you are not perfect.

    • Kimmy3

      Uh .. I’m sorry but that’s your take away? This is what Bill Maher complained about. Liberal pc worried and offended about minor grievances.

      • So lets doubt the evidence of our own eyes, when we observe something about an organisation whose founder was outrageously racist, shall we?

        I suppose it comes down to what you consider to be ‘minor’.

        • Kimmy3

          LRH was supremely and grotesquely racist. There’s no proof that this staged photo was inherently racist…unless you want it to be. Proves that offense can only be taken and not given.

          • I’m making an observation that, in publicity pictures taken by an organisation founded by a man who was, “supremely and grotesquely racist”, the black people are all placed ‘at the back of the bus’.

            Bearing Hubbard’s writings in mind, I don’t think this is a coincidence. I can’t see how they could be considered ‘full members’ by their comrades, and suspect they are only there because their money is the same colour as everyone else’s.

            You seem to be arguing that, if the people in that picture are unaware of the utter contempt they were held in by the founder of their ‘religion’, I have no right to be concerned on their behalf. They are not offended so that’s OK.

            Maybe I’m being too sensitive – but when you’re dealing with the CofS, and the evidence of institutional racism is there in black and white, preserved by the organisation itself, it’s probably reasonable to assume the worst.

  • exccla

    FredEX2- I think what you wrote is so perfect we should all keep a copy of it to say when we finally connect with our children. It’s all so true. I was really touched by it. Thank you for sharing it. Good luck to you.

  • flyonthewall
    • Jimmy3

      You troll those hardworking nonprofit ladies so good like.

      • flyonthewall

        ikr. You know they wanna abort my baby

        • Jimmy3

          Used to go there for free condoms. Didn’t know how or when or how to use them even if I’d had an opportunity to. Never had a chance. Still love the place.

          • flyonthewall

            I saw a video the other day on how they made condoms in Victorian times. It was from sheep intestines, a specific part of the intestines. Used lye, scraped all the tissue up, was intense, took like 6hrs to make one and this is the best part, are you ready? They were reusable.

            • Jimmy3

              Wait, the other ones aren’t? That’s what that little brat claiming to be my son was telling me and I laughed at him

            • flyonthewall

              I looked for the perfect reaction clip for a long time and I finally found it.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFTTZ9E_e2Y

            • Jimmy3

              It was so good I had to take a trip to my Planned Parenthood

            • jayla197145

              Fly, this may be a stupid question, but is what you said above true? Reusable!?!? I suppose though that after all the work to make it you would want to use it more than once.

            • flyonthewall

              yep it’s for true. There was a vid on twitter and they demonstrated how it was made, was pretty cool. But I was wrong on the timeframe, was 18th century, not Victorian times. Here’s a link to NCBI describing the process

              https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3649591/

              The veneration of the word “Condom” was responsible for its subsequent popularity starting from the 18th century. Brothels sold them to customers before they had relations with their prostitutes. Giacomo Casanova, an Italian traveler from a prominent Venetian family, has his own story of his experience with the condom, which can be found in his memoir, “Histoire de ma vie.”[3] In his younger years, Casanova was not too open to using the condom, which he referred to as a “dead animal skin.” Condoms in the 18th century commonly underwent the administration of sulfur or lye to help smoothen the sheath of intestine. Casanova, at a later point in his life, started using condoms after he understood their ability of protection from disease. He used to inflate them prior to use in order to test for any leaks; this was seen as an original example of monitoring whether the condom was fit for use. Condoms started to be sold wholesale in the late 18th century, and businesses such as those of a certain Mrs. Phillips became prominent in London, where she opened a warehouse in the Strand.[9] By the 19th century, linen condoms were out of touch, due to them being less comfortable than the animal sheaths, and their development stopped. Condoms prior to the 19th century were used by the more affluent population because the lower classes were not well acquainted with the knowledge of venereal diseases, and condoms themselves could be seen as quite expense for low incoming personnel and harlots.

            • jayla197145

              Thank you Fly! I know I said this already but I really do learn a lot from all of you!! 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s only if you make the decision. What they really want is for every pregnancy to be planned. Unfortunately, many of the people against abortion are also against birth control.

          If you have proper birth control, abortion becomes nearly unnecessary.

    • chukicita

      Do not taunt the hardworking nonprofit people such as PP who already have crazy people trying to blow them up and stuff, k? My niece works there.

      • flyonthewall

        they need to laugh too, even more so than most people I would imagine. So they prob appreciated the joke and hoped I would be back to make more. I will not disappoint them

  • On next, Tony Ortega…
    http://www.kabc.com/

    • chukicita

      Molto bene!

  • Tracy Schmitz

    TV ALERT!: I BELIEVE LEAH REMINI WILL BE ON BILL MAHER’S REAL TIME HBO SHOW THIS COMING FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD…i iwish she was his ONLY guest for the entire hour… maher, for whatever you think good or bad about him, HATES scientology.. he’s a atheist and thinks all religions are frauds and made up sillyness, but he HATES scientology…so he and leah should be kicking butt yet again on the cult!

    • FredEX2

      Tks Tracy, I just set it to record. 😊

  • Scoop!

  • Go Scoop!

  • I think Leah should exploit the USA-UK special relationship and come over here for season 2.

    • flyonthewall

      she already is here

      • No, here as in me’s here not you’s here.

        • Franklin Adams

          Fly’s everywhere. That’s the thing.

        • flyonthewall

          No you are confused. I am here, you are there

    • Jimmy3

      Suggest that Leah should come here and you get ostrich sized. It happened to me.

  • Jimmy3

    Smooth as a smooth-haired hare, Tony. That’s why Scientologists love you.

  • Liberated

    Hi Bunkeroos,
    Check it out….I just made chicken piccata pasta…it’s great!

    I had to add the “Love Trumps Hate” pin..I’m sure you understand. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/40ab54b916dd154b3033d1bd11faba4d20e1ad98e1b6837c643279bcf377ed11.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      you know, any way you switch those 3 words around works perfectly

      • Kestrel

        Hate
        Love
        Trumps?

        I don’t get it.

        • flyonthewall

          yes except that one, it’s kinda clunky but could work in a jam

          • Hate Trumps Love?

            • flyonthewall

              sure why not it’s all good

            • say it aint so brother

            • flyonthewall

              see my other response, it makes sense

            • caveman speak? give me a few lifetimes I am still learning clam.

            • although I am looking forward to the turkey leg

            • flyonthewall

              it means the trumps hate to love, but in caveman speak

              eta – no wait, it means they love hate. Yeah that’s it

    • jayla197145

      OMG that looks delicious! (And great pin!)

      • Liberated

        Thank you.

  • Observer
    • Jimmy3

      I don’t know what this is but it gave me my best laugh of the day
      Thanks you watermelon berry punch

    • He’s looking a bit meloncholy.

      • Observer

        Groooooooooooan

      • I was going to say something about staring a melon colony . . . baby.

    • Frodis73

      Is this real Obs?? What is he doing? Lol, this is so great. Looks pretty serious whatever it is.

    • JJ

      “Now I don’t want any of you to get upset, Mommy and Daddy still love you very very much but Mommy and Daddy just can’t live together anymore…” “Jeremiah, now honey it is going to be O.K., Mommy and Daddy will still love you and be here for you we just won’t be living in the same house any more…”

  • nottrue
  • Edward Bell

    You guys are probably already aware but there is a small reference to scientology in the news in Australia today.
    About Kate Fischer an old girl friend of James Packer.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/tziporah-shuts-down-scientology-talk-i-dont-want-to-get-murdered/news-story/df9659d50c9e6a062c6a2f1d199c0d3f

    Also Leah appeared on one of our breakfast shows this morning.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/american-actress-leah-remini-tells-people-to-stop-following-the-church-of-scientology/news-story/983e19b0ed95254207d69bda369d29db

    Hope I’m not breaking any of Tony’s blog site rules by posting the link addresses to these news sites. Let me know and I’ll delete if that is the case.

    • What’sup

      Tony lurves Australians, he thinks they’re the cats pyjamas. All his favourite commentors are Aussies.

  • This Brian guy on Mike Rinder’s blog delivered another great comment today (as many others too).
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/love-and-compassion-in-scientology/#comment-162521

    “Great post Terra. I wrote a song recently about this Scientology lack of love.
    I need to do better vocals. I’ll post it when I’m done. It’s called: If There’s No Love What’s The Use.

    I believe the organization is a shadow of the person who created it.
    It’s imprinted with their attitudes, emotions (or lack of), thoughts and energy.

    I believe Ron had a problem feeling. Empathy and love were not his qualities.

    He was dominated by fear of being seen for who he was; that’s why he lied so much about himself.
    He was the opposite of cause. He was totally insecure.

    He also had a persecution complex; that is why Scientology has so many enemies.

    Emotionally Ron was a basket case. Actually he was probably certifiable.

    I give you: love and understanding is a Marcab conspiracy

    Strip away Ron’s fame and stature and imagine any old Joe off the street saying,
    ”love and understanding is a Marcab conspiracy.” Or “psychiatrist’s are from the planet Farsec.”
    And then explain to you that Marcabs are an invader force from outer space.
    And how all psychiatrists are the reason for all the evil on earth and that they had a home planet.

    What would you think of a person who had these type of thoughts running in their heads?

    I think the only difference between Ron and the homeless guy talking
    to invisible people walking down the street is that Ron was functional.

    But if we unpack both the homeless person and Ron under scrutiny they would both have similarities.

    I’ve been thinking this thought lately in my meditations and neutralizing some imprints:

    The man who I, at one time, opened my mind to was a raving loon.
    I allowed a raving loon to enter my mind with a doctrine of lunacy.

    I am working diligently at the extracting any vestiges of that imprint.
    Being in for 11 years from a youth means that my poor brain still has some left overs.

    Think about it. Ron’s capacity for love was extremely damaged. His family life was totally dysfunctional:

    Kids in chain lockers
    Hated Nibs
    Pistol whips Sara
    Quintin suicide
    Claims to not know Alexa
    Stole daughter and went to Cuba
    Painted x wife as a hussy
    Betrays Mary Sue like she was used up meat
    RPF punishment, reprogramming
    All critics are criminals
    All psychiatrists are rapers and molesters
    Scientology is our last hope
    All other attempts at spiritual life are from an implant.

    Sometimes I do not think we truly understand the scope and depths of Ron’s insanity.

    Just think of any common person saying these things and doing these things.
    We would walk on the other side of the street when we saw them coming.

    Ron was certifiable my friends. Strait up!”

    • Ben Franklin

      Brian is just waking up. There many people who have been pointing out for years that Hubbard was really really insane in the head. Many have also pointed out repeatedly that Scientology is actually the embodiment of L Ron Hubbard. In Scientology you see a reflection of L Ron Hubbard, his way of thinking and his personality.

      • I hear you. If you followed his other comments, you know he is not just waking up though.
        He is fully awake.

        • Ben Franklin

          I hear you. Some of these things take a while. It is always like a peeling off layers of an onion. He probably woke up long time ago but never quite realized just how insane Hubbard was. By that I mean the extent of Hubbard’s insanity and the long lasting impact of his teachings on him.

          • True. It’s a work in progress for many of us Exes.

            • Missionary Kid

              It always is for anyone who has been immersed in a particular way of thinking.

              I more or less left fundamentalist Christianity about 40+ years ago, and I still occasionally find weird little thoughts popping into my head at times. I usually end up laughing at them.

            • Missionary Kid

              Make that “fundamentalist Christianity.”

            • I am happy to know people like you.

            • Missionary Kid

              Under pressure, I have found myself singing Onward, Christian Soldiers or Jesus Loves Me. I crack up at the irony.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m happy to know people like you, too. You’ve enriched my life.

            • That means a lot to me. Thank you.

            • Missionary Kid

              Good. You’ve been a great contributor to the Bunker. Your comments include a lot of insight.

            • Hell, it’s a work in progress for Never-ins 😉 #theunexaminedlifeisntworthliving

            • Love

    • Jimmy3

      Awwww Ron really is a character worthy of sympathy

      • Observer

        Sympathy for the Wannabe Devil

        • Oddly enough, I gained a kind of empathy for Hubbs by writing a fictional version of him. Every time something emotional would show up in the story line, from everything I know about him, I could never imagine him responding to it in a healthy way. Could be my experience living with a Borderline for so many years. I have great empathy for those who suffer from both BPD and NPD. But no sympathy. Empathy ≠ Sympathy.

    • Missionary Kid

      LRH had plenty of love – for himself.

    • daisy

      As upset as I get about this whole political situation , the hatred and fear that is provoked , the protests are heartening.

      • The best of times, and the worst of times.

      • Ella Raitch

        As are some of the other ways of getting back – like tweeting #stoppresidentbannon

  • I have never seen Arthur Hubbard talking about it before.
    Not sure when he posted it: http://www.aconwayhubbard.com/scientology/

    • Observer

      Funny how Diana and Arthur really do have the talent their father thought he had.

    • Tony Ortega

      I noticed that several months ago. He’s an interesting character.

      • The impression I get, he managed to become his own person.
        Never met him. Wish you and him talk some day soon.
        Somehow, he speaks so much by speaking so little.
        I heart Arthur.

      • otviii2late

        He is. I knew his ex-wife who was also an artist, primarily a sculptor. I have to say he’s come a long way from his early painting-in-blood art and even further from his terrible art on all the original Scientology book covers. (Looking at you eating your bone in the sky, Howdy!) I find it interesting that his public disavowal of Scientology ( “I’ve found many things in Scientology which are useful to me and a few things which I either don’t agree with, don’t understand or don’t care for.”) have not landed him a Special Person declare.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      He is an amazing artist. I’m so glad he has found his own way. I remember at the Sea Org Day Celebration in the parking structure at Big Blue, 1984, Arthur and Suzette received awards for 16 years of Sea Org Service. They had obviously practiced it and they marched up together, received the medals and did matching about-face exactly in time, then marched back.

      • I bet they had mixed feelings at the time.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I think so. At least Suzette probably had around the time they made her drop her pending marriage to Arnaldo Lerma and threatened Arnie with physical harm.

          • Between the Bunker and Rinder, I learn all kind of things today.

  • Observer

    Oooo, I wonder how the Scientology-run Boy Scout troop in Clearwater will react to this.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f23009c2799d8a8e633f289935168c86d2a970b42f65a37dbeeca85bdf7abe7.jpg

    • Frodis73

      That is some good news! I am sure the church will not be happy tho. 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      This is my in. I’m not transgender but this is something I can make work. I’m still bitter about them banning me in 1992.

      • Wear your uniform to HowdyCon. We can play terribly naughty scout and stern-but-fair scoutmaster. Think of a safe word . . .

        • Jimmy3

          ALL THE WORDS
          ALTHE WORDS ARE SAFE
          EVERY WORD IS SAFE PLEASE HELP ME

          • Laughing so hard right now . . .

            • Jimmy3

              Scary uncle Artoo, I love you
              But not in the way that we don’t get a badge for

            • Robert Eckert

              But that’s how LRH became the youngest Eagle Scout!

            • Aw, come on. Maybe that was too scary. How about Roman gladiator and the insurance salesman? Cabin boy and the Minister of Agriculture? I know! Baby owl and the weld quality inspector! Butch loves that one. Come on! Live a little.

            • Jimmy3

              I like pizza as much as anyone else.

    • Missionary Kid

      Since the largest contingent of BSA troops are from Mormon churches, they are probably quite unhappy about that, too.

      • Jimmy3

        Your safe word is “aeroplane”. But only when pronounced with three syllables just like that.

        • Missionary Kid

          Nope. It’s airilon. I like it better than aileron.

  • Liberated

    Trump just fired the “acting” attorney general…of course it’s a women!
    Her name is Sally Yates.

    • JJ

      Not great time to have a government job, BUT once Trump opens all the coal mines, car manufacturing plants and other various antiquated bits of middle American employment opportunities, then all the people he fires in government can go there and get jobs.

      • Missionary Kid

        It turns out that his bullying of large corporations really hasn’t stemmed the loss of jobs that has been publicized. A bunch of people who thought their jobs were being saved at Carrier Air Conditioning aren’t.

        As for auto plants in Mexico, the great majority of their output is for Mexico and the Americas.

      • Ben Franklin

        Trump won’t be able to open many car manufacturing plants if he follows through with his idea of raising import tax on Mexican goods. Many car manufacturers in United States rely on car parts made in Mexico.

        • Frodis73

          Have you not figured it out yet that Trump has no idea what he is doing or talking about? I know more than he does about economics…and I know very little to nothing about it!!

          • JJ

            Winging it, yes he’s winging it. How long till entertainingly absurd begins to have real world consequences for “average Americans”?

          • daisy

            I just heard , sorry didn*t hear his credentials someone say , he is running the country like he ran his casino*s. After seeing the protests, civil disobedience etc. I do not believe he can act with no oversight . Other countries , his allies , are all registering disapproval. I just hope it happens before too much damage is done.

          • Ben Franklin

            Don’t tell any of his supporters, they will never talk to you again.

            • JJ

              The last Trump supporter I talked to yelled at me when I questioned Trumps lack of political knowledge. She snapped at me that: “WE can’t have CLINTON in the White house, No American Woman Will Be Safe!” I think she meant Bill… Pretty sure, But this was before “Grab em by the pussy”., she still voted for him. Hope he is all she wanted and more…

            • Ben Franklin

              I have never seen anything like it. Even Bush supporters would still talk even if you disagree with Bush. With Trump supporters their level of tolerance for criticism of Trump is extremely low.

            • Robert Eckert

              They’re very special snowflakes.

            • Frodis73

              F his supporters. At this point, I have NO patience.

    • FredEX2

      Oh my!

      • Liberated

        No, Jeff Sessions will be voted in tomorrow.
        That was an accident (cough cough)!

    • Robert Eckert

      It took Nixon five years to get to the purging-attorney-generals stage.

      • JJ

        That was the seventies, things move faster now. Election, mistakes, impeachment three months. Tops.

  • JJ

    When I was seven, if L Ron Hubbard tried to kiss me, I’d have bit his lip till he screamed.

    • DoveAlexa

      Go for the eyes! Go for the eyes!

  • Off topic. Discovered these two guys and an orchestra – Two Steps From Hell.
    Pretty sure they wrote and performed music for like 50% of movie trailers and some.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuGiwDQEvDc

  • Liberated

    Our president has fired the acting attorney general and the head of immigration dept. tonite.
    He’s a reality show host who loves to say “you’re fired”
    I don’t know about you guys but this is getting scary!

    • Frodis73

      I think I have gone past scared by now…I keep rocking back and forth and repeating “this is not happening”.

      • Ella Raitch

        ((((hugs))))). It’s terrifying form half a world away. Don’t know how I’d cope living in the horror show.

        • Frodis73

          Hey, there you are! I have not seen you around. I wrote up a thing about DC, but I am not sure I should post it here as it is pretty long and the political thing is getting to people here. I was going to email Tony and ask him, but I keep forgetting. I need to re-read it, but I can email it to you if he would prefer I keep it off list. I can PM you on twitter to exchange emails.

          • daisy

            I would also be interested in reading that. I can give you m e-mail address.

          • Ella Raitch

            Coolies – I’m @ERaitch on twitter. I haven’t been here much over the last 4-5 days, but back now! Can’t wait to read about your history making trip!

    • outraged

      He broke the law as soon as that tiny hand hit the Bible.
      Hopefully someone soon will get the guy impeached.
      It’s frightening, terrifying and completely un-American.

      Trump must be reading from the Miscavige handbook. Split the families. Save only my business. To hell with the rest of the country.

      • Liberated

        Follow the law..oh please that’s for “losers”.
        Rachel Maddow did a wonderful piece tonite before all hell broke loose…about J Edgar Hoover, and how he ruined those that “dissented ” against him or had an opposing opinion, he would banish them to Montana.
        It’s the same w/trump if you dissent he will destroy you with a tweet…people are afraid of him.

        • JJ

          For the moment they are afraid of him…

        • outraged

          I’m not afraid of HIM. It’s the divisiveness and hate that Trump is promoting that scares me. The man is an insane idiot who lives in a bubble.

      • Mymy88

        I’m working on my protest sign right now. Seriously, I started making it yesterday.

        • outraged

          We live in Trumpled Times.

          • Mymy88

            Good one outrage. Don’t trumple upon me!

    • ONEpointONE

      It’s going to be a highly entertaining four years.

      • Liberated

        Let’s hope it doesn’t last that long!

        • ONEpointONE

          He might get mad and quit: “You idiots don’t deserve me!”

          • JJ

            I am not sure a Narcissist can do that. Just keep firing people who disagree. or put them in the RPF.

            • Sine qua non

              I’m hoping the GOP leadership will somehow find a way to embarrass him so badly that he will resign to save face. It could happen….

            • daisy

              It could not happen . He does not understand embarrassment . Resignation would be an admission of failure. His emotional makeup could not and would not admit defeat.

          • daisy

            He will not quit . It is not in his DNA. That would be an admission that he failed. He literally could not do that. It would be a challenge to his super ego.He has never admitted failure even with his obvious business failures. Quit never.

            • ONEpointONE

              But he HAS filed for bankruptcy on several occasions. That’s quitting isn’t it?

            • daisy

              He believes that those bankruptcy*s were turned into wins as he was able to avoid paying taxes because of them. He has said -I am paraphrasing .-that he was able to turn those bankruptcies ( a loss only in the minds of people reporting it )in to wins. He believes he is incapable of anything but winning and has said so often.
              We may believe that he has quit , but he does not believe it of himself.
              He lives in an *alternative * reality.

            • ONEpointONE

              I’ve been enjoying him in the media. What I see is a man setting the stage for his own catastrophe.

            • daisy

              I hope so. I thought that with every revelation in the campaign . I am not as hopeful anymore. He is a poor excuse of a human being.

        • JJ

          He won’t. HE has not lived and does not continue to live a life that will bear up under the scrutiny he has invited. He will do something ILLEGAL and that will start the impeachment process.

          • Liberated

            That’s what I’m praying for. He commits impeachable offenses every day.

            • JJ

              For reals. I mean there is unethical and then there is stuff that simply can not be tolerated.

            • Liberated

              Notice none of these countries he banned have trump businesses, how odd!

            • JJ

              Yet. Early days yet…

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        He’s not going for four years. He’s trying for a Reich.

        • He already signed up for the next term, so the funding can begin

      • April

        I don’t consider this entertaining. More like terrifying, and not in an entertaining “horror movie” type way. For the first time I’m truly afraid for my kids’ futures.

        • Frodis73

          True. There are things to laugh about, but it is getting harder each day.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      Yes it is. Mr. Kay is third generation Japanese American. His grandparents and most of his other relatives were put into internment camps after the government took all of their money, land and businesses. There are heartbreaking pictures on our walls of his family members in these camps where you can see his grandparents along with his mother, aunts, and uncles who were little kids. His Mom has told me that while in the camp, all of the children decided to change their first names from Japanese names to American names in the hopes that when they were let out, they would have a better chance in american society. So, they exited the camp years later with names like Dorothy, Sally, etc. That story broke my heart. Mr. Kay won’t watch the news these days, it’s too close to home for him. I’ve never seen him this upset.

      • Frodis73

        I m so sorry. This makes me sick and ashamed.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          It has always made me sick as well. You can tell from the pictures that they were trying so hard to dress and act “american.” It is such a shameful chapter in american history.

          • Frodis73

            Imagine my shock when I learned about this. I was floored. When Bush II was in after 9-11 they started talking about cracking down, a few extremists wanted all Muslims in camps. I can see it happening now tho and that is so disgusting to me. When will we ever learn? It is willful ignorance at this point.

            • JJ

              Fear has thick blinders. But we choose to put them on.

            • Sine qua non

              We can also choose to take them OFF and speak out. It’s our duty as citizens IMHO.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Yes, it is willful ignorance, and I hope things never progress to that point again. Things are so nuts right now, who knows what will happen? It’s frightening.

            • JJ

              The marching in the streets shows the “bad people” that we see what they are doing and will not lie down and take it.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Very true…that was heartening to me.

          • daisy

            That was shameful ! This is shameful !! It is a sad day for democracy .

          • Robert Eckert

            George Takei’s Broadway production “Allegiance” about the camps was filmed and will be shown in various theaters February 19 (there was an earlier showing in December but I missed it): http://fathomevents.com/event/allegiance-encore

            • Frodis73

              Thanks for the info Robert. I would have loved to see the real show on Broadway, but this will work if I can make it happen.

      • Liberated

        That story breaks my heart too…it looks like we’re going back to those horrible days.
        This should not be the case…I don’t know what we can do, why are we going backwards?
        The only thing that explains this to me is fear…why are all these people so afraid?

        • JJ

          Genuine fear of change and that me and mine are not getting there fair share and the only solution seems to be to take more and more and give nothing away and be selfish. Tense times and stupid knee jerk reactions.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          I think they are afraid because they are just reacting without thinking or looking at the facts. It’s easier to hate than take the time to try to understand.

    • PickAnotherID

      What’s really scary is he’s surrounded himself with people that think the White House can run the country by fiat, without the legislative or judicial branches of government. And screw anyone who disagrees with them.

      • Frodis73

        Speaking of, I guess the entire judicial branch page was scrubbed from the white house site for a period of time.

    • Sine qua non

      Yes, it is getting scary. I have been tweeting as fast as I can to every Member of Congress who seems reasonable and begging them to stop Trump to save this county. I have NEVER felt scared like this before, and I’m pretty old. There is something very psychopathological about Trump’s behavior and reasoning patterns in my opinion, which has been my biggest concern with him all along.

      When I finally gave up on my Tweeting (and I’m not normally much of a tweeter;this is unusual for me) and staggered into bed late last night, I noticed I felt lightheaded. That’s a new one for me. This morning, I still felt dizzy, and this continued throughout the day, though it did lessen.

      I finally got concerned enough to go take my blood pressure at the drug store this evening. Sure enough, it was about 20 points higher than normal. Not high enough to send me to the ER but high enough to be officially. “high” and higher than I’ve ever had before.

      So, I have to adjust my attitude. It’s not easy, though. I’m a very conscientious, responsible person, and I tend to get too involved with causes. I will continue to speak out because democracy only works if we do. Also, I truly believe Trump is endangering the safety of America’s citizens and troops, as well as trashing our worldwide reputation. But I have to set my limits. I will not give him the satisfaction of causing me to have a heart attack!

      To those of you who are also concerned: please, contact your legislators, write letters to the editor, speak out! A huge groundswell of protest can turn the tide. Just as with Scientology, ultimately, we the people must save ourselves. We can’t just expect our lawmakers to do it without our support and nagging. I know, it’s disappointing. :-/ I’m as lazy as anyone. But think of the pressure THEY are under right now. I don’t like to criticize politicians wholesale. I believe most of them care, but they have so many different nuts to appease, it’s nearly impossible I’m amazed more of them don’t keel over in office.

      • Frodis73

        Better yet, call them. You might actually get to talk to a staffer (tho that has not happened to me in over a month-you just leave a message). They are getting slammed with calls and this does make a difference. Staff cannot get their regular work done if they are dealing with us all day.
        Capital Hill switchboard number is 202 224 3121. You do not even need to know all the names of your senators/rep as you can punch in your zip and they will connect you immediately. YOu can also do the same thing at their local offices. It is working according to reports of those that work on Cap Hill.

        • Sine qua non

          Good advice. Thanks for the phone # Frodis73. Entering it into my cell phone contacts right now. I know that tweeting is the quick and dirty way to do it, not the best, but I figured it was better to do that than nothing to get myself started.

          But, absolutely phoning is better. After that, perhaps even an old school handwritten LETTER on 25% rag cotton content Crane stationery? I don’t know, do they read those any more? (A pity love paper and decry the decline of handwritten notes.)

          Also, there’s email… Try em all, people! But yes, phone calls are best now. Tie up those phone lines!

  • Goodbye Monday, Hello Tuesday. Everloving travel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atyvdC15HFA

  • TrishRan

    That passage from Dianetics totally creeped me out. One thing for sure, Hubbard knows nothing about 7 year old girls. That’s an age when girls believe boys are all infected with cooties (and vice versa) and a kiss from someone other than a trusted part of one’s family would surely have freaked me out when I was 7.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Space cooties? I kid, but you’re right. No 7 yrs old child should be “passionately ” kissed, that’s what a pedo does…

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T – My grandson’s friend’s dad arrived home from Canada late today. Apparently someone at the Canadian border crossing was told to let ‘green card’ holders cross.

    • JJ

      All of them…?

      • PickAnotherID

        Don’t know at this point. Just got the word he was home around 10:30pm Eastern. No real details.

        • JJ

          The personal is political and when the political gets personal it gets out of imagination and into OMG this is happening to me territory. Politics usually seems far away but it is going to start getting in peoples faces real fast. People who think they are no where near politics, involved in the political world are going to find out just how much the government can mess with their lives, for good and ill.

      • Robert Eckert

        The head of ICE told Customs officials to honor green cards. Trump promptly fired him.
        ETA: link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-fires-ice-acting-director_us_589004a0e4b02772c4e8e7db

        • Even from my UK perspective, that’s a frightening development because it’s possible that:

          The administration is testing the extent to which the DHS (and other executive agencies) can act and ignore orders from the other branches of government. This is as serious as it can possibly get: all of the arguments about whether order X or Y is unconstitutional mean nothing if elements of the government are executing them and the courts are being ignored.

          More here: http://boingboing.net/2017/01/30/was-this-weekend-a-trial-ballo.html

    • outraged

      Apparently, that was what was SUPPOSED to happen in the first place.
      Instead the airports lumped all the visa holders with the green card holders. As if they were the same thing!!!

      So happuy for your grandson!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • outraged

      How about a Do Not Call, Mail, Harass, Talk, Spout, Yell, Write, Email, list for Scientology.
      EVeryone who is being bombarded can add their names.

      If SCientology does not stop harrassing, Steve Bannon will fly to Hubbards bunker, dump out all the artifacts and fill it with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights which he is throwing out the White House window.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I wonder if they’d let him get audited in full drag? He’s quite the looker 🙂
        (refresh)

        • outraged

          I refreshed! and saw nothing refreshing. :-{

          • Intergalactic Walrus
            • outraged

              ummm…that’s WHO in drag?
              Looks like a well endowed lady to me. I see no adams apple.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              He’s the guy getting harassed by CO$ letters. That’s him as Edie “Mistress of Sensuality” in Zumanity. Maybe Miscavige is looking to liven up those IAS snore fests!

            • Scream Nevermore

              Going to the cops is probably his best solution.

    • They’re wishing worms upon you?

      • daisy

        Pretty sure you are joking but I think it is * wins *

        • Well, I was kidding – but also hoping someone would tell me what the acronym WRMS stood for…

          ‘Wins’ makes better sense.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Looks like someone ripped the paper away from her mid-signature.

      Gotta keep those stats up.

    • Juicer77

      Honest question: are religious groups exempted from the United States DO NOT CALL lists? In some locations it is illegal for groups to contact you if you have opted out in this way.

      • JJ

        Can’t be this is your eternity we are taking about, They HAVE to be able to get to you (and your pocket book).

    • Mark Allen Shreck

      According to our “pal” John Alex Wood, he has pull to get you off the mailing list. Just provide him with ALL your contact info and he will be sure it gets done. Now, I don’t recommend anyone do that…but it is good for a few laughs every time he tweet-trolls someone complaining about getting mail from Co$

  • TexasBroad

    I probably shouldn’t be posting because it’s really late, I’m emotionally raw, and I’ve had wine, but…
    I think it is vital to share stories of disconnection — it exposes the manipulation of the organization, it offers comfort to the families suffering to know other people understand, it may shake someone loose from the influence —- but tonight I am thinking about the importance of telling reconnection stories too.
    I reconnected tonight with someone—years and distance fell away in an instant. We met when she was 16 and I was 18 (33 years ago) when we were dating brothers, whom we married. I can’t explain this family we married into….it fills pages and pages of our therapists notes I’m sure, but a brief summary is that they were breathtakingly intelligent and accomplished people and also, significantly emotionally damaged and dysfunctional and also, generous and kind, and also, insanely controlling, and also…you get the idea. (As an aside… people wonder why never-ins are here….this is only one part that made me relate – the experience of loving the best people I ever met also being the most damaged people I ever met. Every never-in has a story too, I think. And this is only one example of why I say this.)
    We lost touch when she divorced and I divorced these brothers 10-15 years ago. Not a required or enforced disconnection…just the flow of life. She’d stayed close with her ex, as I did with mine (a best friend still, really), but we lived far away and only communicated with birthday and Christmas cards. Her ex died too young this last October (about the time I fell out posting here) of brain cancer.
    Tonight –on first sight — we were the sisters we always were. Tonight we loved the mother that raised the men we loved. Tonight our hearts were grateful for every wonderful and painful twist and turn. Tonight every silly thing that kept us apart evaporated in thin air and we had a mutual love fest! Tonight we healed all wounds.
    It happened in an instant.
    That is what love is.
    My heart is with everyone who has suffered disconnection– a policy wielded heartlessly as a means of control…but tonight my heart is full and I am thinking the stories of reconnection need to be told also.
    I’ve been watching all this a long time now and so I try not to get too worked up, but I can’t help but hope that we are close to a lot more of this….
    http://tonyortega.org/2014/07/04/scientologys-disconnection-policy-foiled-as-jeremy-powers-reunites-with-his-family/comment-page-1/

    • Missionary Kid

      Pax vobiscum.

      • TexasBroad

        And with you too. (((Hug)))

        • Missionary Kid

          Reconnection like that is a wonderful thing. Thanks for sharing. (((Hugs)))

    • Frodis73

      What a beautiful story TB. Thanks for sharing it with us.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      This helps explain your kind heart. X

      • TexasBroad

        🙂 I have found many kind hearts here. Great brains. Honest hearts. Mean trolls and playfull trolls. I watched a small Bunker/Village grow to overflowing…we may have to become Mall Bunker. We are getting to that place where everyone knows.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Thank you for sharing. Nice to hear a positive story once in a while.

      (((HUGS)))

    • Juicer77

      How wonderful. 🙂 So glad you reconnected.

    • daisy

      Love is love is love. Beautiful story.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Texas, you are such a marshmallow – never change!

      • Missionary Kid

        She’s also a real Texas firecracker. She stands up for the downtrodden.

  • Tsktsk

    This broke my heart. 💙 To the family.
    tried to get in touch with my fam once but listening to scientology language makes me twitch.
    & being queer is totally weird around scientologists now even more than before.
    As if you can hide homophobia under a rug.
    Maybe some kind of directive was issued to not be “mean to homos in front of wogs.”

    • TexasBroad

      Welcome Tsktsk.
      I read your comment and the name you chose to log on here to comment and offer welcome hugs and Bob, my sleepy dog. Stick around for kitty cats, and possibly, wombats
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae59494f2c2a50bcb9f493e1ea30bea7eb90e941a5ced069fdf3aea872b0d36c.jpg

    • Scream Nevermore

      They’re very busy trying to prove they’re not mean to homos. They have a long struggle ahead of them proving that! Welcome to WogWorld!

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Tsktsk. The Co$ certainly seems to be flailing around trying to cover its @ss in PR matters. Not that they would ever dream of changing actual policy behind the PR!!
      I’m sorry you are not able to talk to your family. Whatever the circumstances, it is still hard.

  • Frodis73

    Just a little PSA for today. All Americans should program this phone number into your phone asap.

    202-224-3121

    This number is the Capital Hill switch board and it will connect you to all your congress critters if you punch in your zip code. Just in case you want to call and give your reps a piece of your mind about the Co$ or Trump or anything else.

  • madame duran

    When someone is “on tour”, I immediately think of musicians, book authors, actors, comedians, or circus performers. A travelling Scientology auditor is not what comes to mind. Is the Flag Tour still going on?

    Was the woman who answered the phone perhaps Flavio’s handler or a Sea Org senior and Flavio was hesitant in revealing much due to her (snooping) presence?

    Looking back at the previous story about Flavio’s blog and comparing it to his most recent post, I notice the Scientology mask is firmly in place (always set to actively promote Scientology in Tone 40 mode, not casually talk about personal things such as family, friends, hobbies, reflections, or social events). However, the contrast between the “official” hostile view of his family and Flavio’s own statements during the phone conversation is also apparent. I’m sure he’ll get sec-checked by Ethics for talking with his “SP” parents but it’s possible that the brief re-connection will stir up buried emotions, raise a conflict of conscience or plant seeds of doubt. At least that’s the hope.

    • Perhaps the “Scientology Mask”, and the pretence that Scientology has made you an exceptionally capable person, is easier to maintain when within the social milieu of the CofS.

      When you are taken by surprise by a ‘phone call that takes you back to another period of your life, it becomes evident that Scientology’s claims are nonsense, and you’re just as confused (and liable to behave in the way you used to, with the callers) as anyone else.

      I do hope that this brief reminder of life outside the Scientology bubble gives the lad a new perspective and contributes to his realisation that Scientology does not deliver what it promises – but there are a lot of pressures operating against that, as long as he is still inside the bubble.

      I’m afraid it’s a catch-22 situation. Scientologists will not leave their social isolation until they gain renewed experience of the world outside of Scientology – which is exactly what that isolation prevents.

      I think that the main reason that people leave Scientology is when the organisation treats them in an endurable manner, or ‘declares’ them for reasons of internal politics. Very few long-term members wake up one morning to find themselves disillusioned, and act upon those feelings.

      On the bright side, the collapse of recruitment and gradual degradation of the organisational ability of the CofS is going to put increasing pressure on members and reveal anomalies that are more difficult to ignore.

    • Jimmy3

      Edit: Let me know when you get this

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I like to think of myself as a hardened case, but after 3 minutes of grinning goofily at this picture I knew it had to be shared with the early morning Bunkerues. Tiny squishbeans!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/45e88c914073a07bd6c4db58edc1a5e72bab86c0d2c2b4702c2f9c11e737a562.jpg

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      Thank You! 🙂

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        He makes my ovaries squeak 🙂

        • Scream Nevermore

          My own ginger bundle of cute is annoyed – he has been outcuted!

    • The Drive Home – 1/30/17 – 4PM
      http://feeds.feedburner.com/JohnPhillipsShow
      Tony starts at about 22 minutes in.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Ah, bless you 🙂

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Gimme!

    • Juicer77
    • Frodis73

      I can’t stop looking at this pic. Too cute, it should be illegal.

    • TrishRan

      This is how the cats convince us it’s worth keeping a box full of their poop in our houses.

      (:
      PS I love kitties and have adopted many homeless cats in my life.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Good for you, Trish 🙂

        • TrishRan

          Thanks, I think I get more than I give out of these relationships.

  • Scream Nevermore

    Maybe someone with a tech background can check the IP address on the blog and any updates, and see when/where they come from, to try and work out if it is Flavio or not?

    • Juicer77

      Brings up some interesting legal/ethical points. But for certain the Co$ had Flavio sign all kinds of nasty forms that allow them to post AS him *legally*. Scumbags.
      From the conversation it seems 100% clear that Flavio was NOT aware of the content of this blog, even if he was aware of its existence.
      Too bad he is too deep in the belief system to press charges of identity theft and fraud. Sigh…

    • kemist

      If they’re smart, they’re not hosting it, so the IP won’t reveal anything.

      Normally, no one but the admin should have access to the origin IP of the posts, if the host is configured correctly (you could probably gain access, but that would be illegal).

      • Scream Nevermore

        He recently moved his blogging to WordPress, so no, they’re not hosting it. He’s just been in Scotland – wonder if he called in on Fearless Leader??

  • John Prince

    Ah yes. .the good dr. hubbard and his proven Research on kissing 7 yr. old Girls with Passion! Who couldn’t embrace this holy man’s “tech”? 😠 🔫

  • Mymy88

    I need to stress eat. I need donuts. Lots and lots of donuts.

    • Jack99

      Mmmm…. donuts!

  • Renata Fruscella Lugli

    After careful consideration of what has happened with respect to the Blog of my son Flavio and his phone call, here is my assessment. Everything has been designed from the start by OSA:

    1) OSA made sure Tony received the phone number so that we would get it

    2) OSA has trained meticulously Flavio on how to answer: Q & A on “entheta”, “good roads, good weather” and mainly to send us a clear message not to write more “bad” stuff on the internet.

    and now Flavio is calling the phone call a miracle!?!?!?!?!?!?

    If the call had not been planned, Flavio would have immediately put down the the telephone- he could not speak with two huge “SP” like us.

    OSA plot was discovered again also this time.

    • Stinky Wizzleteets

      May the force be with you and your family.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Sounds right!

  • Marc Watt

    Congratulations!!! So happy for all of you. I have a question, because I am really getting fed up with this “church”… why can’t a lawyer sue Scientology with class action status? Seems legit. Anyone?