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‘Going Clear’: Paul Haggis pens a description of the Scientology experience you won’t forget

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We’re drawing closer to the broadcast of Alex Gibney’s documentary about Scientology, Going Clear, which airs Sunday night at 8 pm on HBO. We have another screenshot from the film, with one of its chief stars, director Paul Haggis, who was also the subject of Lawrence Wright’s New Yorker article and his subsequent book which formed the basis for Gibney’s film.

We asked Haggis to take part in our countdown this week to the movie’s airing, and he really surprised us by sending the following, one of the best expressions of the Scientology experience we’ve ever read. If this doesn’t get you warmed up for Sunday night’s documentary, we don’t know what will.

At the outset, Paul refers to the smears that Scientology has been spreading about him since he was first profiled by Wright, but more so in the last few weeks. Scientology calls Paul the “Hypocrite of Hollywood” and accuses him of never really being a Scientologist at all. Well, here’s what Haggis himself has to say about that, and a lot more.

 
Despite what is being said in their rather pathetic attack pieces on me, I was very involved in Scientology for most of my adult life. While I thought the OT levels madness, I used many Scientology precepts in my daily life — so much so that it took several years after leaving to actually question the many “self-help” concepts that I had learned and used. The slow indoctrination process is as subtle as it is dangerous — largely because you truly believe that you are thinking for yourself, when in fact you are discouraged to do anything of the sort.

Paradoxically, there is great pride in belonging to a stigmatized group. It’s like being in love with a narcissist. All your friends will warn you that you are just being used. You understand why they think what they think, but you believe in your heart that they just don’t see what you see. You just tune them out. For that reason, when I did discover what many outside the church knew, I was truly shocked. While some of the information had been out there for many years, like all Scientologists, I refused to look. Yes, I was told not to, but I didn’t have to be. This was my group and I knew there to be many people in the world who were bigoted and close-minded, and when I was told that we were “under attack” in Germany or France or wherever, instead of looking for the reasons, I assumed this to be the case — and donated many thousands of dollars toward our “defense.” Yes, there was considerable duress involved in those “donations,” but if I didn’t honestly believe what I was being told I would not have handed over such large sums.

It makes little or no sense in retrospect, and it’s very hard to understand unless you’ve been a part of a marginalized group. While I was a constant thorn in the side of the executives, questioning practices I thought unjust, it never crossed my mind to voice my concerns outside the organization. In fact, even after I sent my letter of resignation I maintained a great fondness for “the old man.” Yes, he was a rogue, and he might have gone insane later in life, I thought, but I still believed he had put together a pretty workable system for steering through life. Even then. I might have been outraged by injustices I witnessed or heard about, but I dropped the blame at the doorstep of David Miscavige and company. Miscavige, I later discovered to my amusement, never liked or trusted me — in his eyes I was a bad Scientologist — which I admit myself. I was told he was angered that I wasn’t “deferential enough,” and I asked too many questions, even if internally.

Too many, and as it turned out, not near enough.

It took years after leaving to understand that these practices I railed against had always been at the core of Scientology — that Miscavige was just very faithfully, if cynically, following L. Ron Hubbard’s cruel playbook. The reason this was hard to believe is exactly because of the duplicitous nature of Hubbard’s writing. He wrote tomes on the practice and necessity of critical thought; how nothing should be accepted at face value. His “ethics formulas” stress that when making a difficult decision you have to push aside all personal bias and truly look at what people are doing, not just what they are saying. “Look, don’t listen” is oft repeated advice — but it is advice given to the blind. All these high-minded teachings are useless when you factor in the thing you are never allowed to question — Scientology, its teachings, practices and leadership.

Somehow Scientologists are able to accept those incongruous and contradictory thoughts. For example, they truly believe that only Scientology can save the world, and that they are making major strides in this direction every year. They hold onto this belief despite the fact that there isn’t even a modicum of evidence that they are having even the tiniest impact on any problem in any part of the globe. Scientologists simply accept the assurances of the church leaders that it is so. To the contrary, volumes of compelling evidence from unimpeachable sources that their organization has done and is doing serious damage to thousands of people is dismissed before it is ever inspected.

That’s what will happen to Going Clear. At least that’s what the church hopes happens. Without even watching it my former friends will condemn it as lies. You see it happening already. Understand that many of these Scientologists are damn smart people; many of them truly lovely and caring. But they are the same people who will not hesitate to cut their closest friend or family member out of their lives if they commit the ultimate crime of criticizing the church. You could do anything else and they would stand by you; commit any crime and they would be there to defend you. But not this.

I believe this is because somewhere in the back of their heads they know, as I did, that the very act of questioning could bring down their entire belief system. They have been slowly but surely trained to believe that if you don’t agree with something that LRH wrote, you just don’t understand it. Questioning anything means questioning everything. Even the slightest crack in that belief system could spread into a fissure. They cannot afford or allow the smallest doubt, because if it took root, their perfect world — a world where there is an answer to every one of life’s questions — could fall apart around them, and they would be left, like the rest of us, searching in the dark for their own answers in an uncertain world. Which brings to mind something a true genius wrote: “Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack, in everything. That’s how the light gets in.” For the sake of my former friends, many of whom I loved, I hope that Going Clear is the first crack, that they will watch it, and the light will slip in.

— Paul Haggis

 
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Your proprietor on WBAI

Last night, WBAI radio here in New York City aired a lengthy interview your proprietor taped for the In Other News show.

There’s no embed, but if you follow this link, you’ll get to hear the full hour program.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 24, 2015 at 07:00

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  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    supah kitteh (had to share this)

    http://i.imgur.com/Pzrsy9N.gifv

    • Juicer77

      KItty!

    • outraged

      That is NOT a kitten. That is a leopard in disguise.
      Wait! It is a leopard, right?

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        Jaguar…. TIL, there’s no such thing as a ‘panther’ in legitimate species

        • outraged

          Aren’t jaguars dangerous?
          Maybe this one was fed vitamins and given a sauna first for anger management therapy.

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            of course… large domestic dogs can easily kill; animal wrangling, zoos, circuses etc is a minefield of strong opinions…. this furry critter seemed pretty happy though… but how he got there in the first place opens a whole other can of worms

            • outraged

              Where is he exactly? Is this a zoo?

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              this was from imgur which rarely provides background info… my guess on this is that these guys are ‘wranglers’ – people who specialise in providing trained animals for the film/TV industry etc… they’re very well looked after (supposedly).

            • outraged

              The jag looks very healthy and happy to see the girl. I am worrit for the girl. These are wild animals. They don;t always do what you want.

      • Ben Franklin

        It is a cat

    • Mymy88

      Aww, that panther, leopard, jaguar, whatever it is, ain’t got nothin on Robo Kitty lol. (F5)

      (take the space out) https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=3J5eN7tdgG8

      • outraged

        omfg. What did I just watch? The Cat From Outer Space? wow.

        • Mymy88

          It was some kind of concert my niece went to. Something about DJ’s using customized computer imaging programs that manipulate lighting and very LOUD electronic dance music that require lots and LOTS of voltage (150,000 watts). I just know that I love Robo Kitteh! And if you’re not good, I’ll send him after ya!

          • outraged

            aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh……..

  • Kim O’Brien

    Just listened to the interview Tony linked. ” ethics officers” …you really have to be a total douchbag to be one of those .

    • MaxSpaceman

      They and the MAAs (Master at Arms- security) are the East German Stasi of scientology incorporated. Bullies- big bad bullies. Running The Ethics Zone a.k.a. The Hole.

      • outraged

        So not just douchbags but sadistic as well.

        • MaxSpaceman

          They like to get in your face, screaming stuff like, “Get your ethics in, mister! What are your crimes? You have overts! Withholds! YOU ARE OUT ETHICS!

          • outraged

            And YOU ARE AN AHOLE!!!!
            (not you MaxS)

            They did that in my cult. Yell and Yell at me. Obscenities and emotionally abusive statements. And for years I would think of the angry powerful retorts I wish I;d said.

      • Kim O’Brien

        can you imagine being the one responsible for “narc”-ing on a daughter so then their own mother has to disconnect from them ??! I mean jeebus ..who ARE these people ??! What type of person WANTS THAT JOB ??? I am glad that i really will never understand it ..there is nothing , nada, that anyone could say to me that would make to think to myself …: oh ….well THAT makes sense . That sounds like a great job ..sign me up ” And anyone who tells me that they can brain wash you to be that awful ..it just a liar . Like when a man tells you that ” size does not matter ” . Bullshit ..it matters , they just have a very small penis , a very large bank account , and a very unsatisfied wife who is banging the pool boy .

        • outraged

          When I first read Max’s comment I immediately visualized the Jews who guarded, i.e. terrorized their fellow Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

          Only a certain type of person volunteers for this sort of job where you turn on your friends, your family, everyone in your environment EXCEPT the ahole in power. Only a small brain, small wiener, big ego is required.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Don’t think a pecker of any size is a required object. You have women MAAs and Ethics Officers.

      • scottmercer

        Yet another Red Flag that has many people avoiding Scientology (one of many). Who is such a military wannabe that they run around in fake uniforms using military-esque word salad and acronyms? People from the real military should be on the ass of these jokers constantly. Anti-war protesters get crap from some people, but they are concerned that soldiers might lose their lives. Sci Bots want to play Halloween every day of the year and disgrace the achievements of the actual military.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    heh, heh …. the google alerts on this (self PR) scientology teaser is actually way more prophetic and true then the actual bs article itself

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    • aegerprimo

      Co$ puff pieces only appear on PRweb and World Religion News dot com. The Co$ is lame in how it uses the internet.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        I have a sneaky feeling that the person at PR News might have had a hand in “re”creating the header for the lulz

    • outraged

      Lush: did Deadline Hollywood change their $cifi tone AFTER Nikki left or was it the same when she ran the place? I never read it anymore. She was the blog.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        I think it’s Mike Fleming who’s the stooge and he he’s the main guy there now [I think]… the sites on my Daily tab list and I naturally check any celeb clam news… he’s definitely overtly favourable to Cruise and has dumbass interpretations of box-office figure [Edge of Tomorrow for example]… but my main grist with this douche is that he censored a post that called out his bias… that’s a red rag to me and I don’t forget that shit.

        On a side note I’ve noticed a couple of things… TMZ still has a clam mole or worse but People Magazine has definitely changed it’s tone re the cult. Rolling Stone is now on my shit-list and I’ll be posting about them in my blog shortly. Also I miss the Cruise trolls on THR, there you used to be loads of them and I loved engaging with them. Can’t wait for MI5 when it hits there.

        • outraged

          I bet all the Cruise Trolls wear tight knit ribbed sweaters and have lifts in their shoes.

          Tell Nikki Finke all about Mike! She is coming back, I think she tweets.
          http://nikkifinke.com/

          Jay Penske pushed her out or whatever, now Mikey is in charge. It would make an interesting article, which Hollywood media support the Kult and which do not. Key word here being Hollywood. There has ALWAYS been an incestual relationship between Celebs and $cientology, LAPD and $cientology. Who else is eating lobster paid for by the blood, sweat and tears of a Billion Year $cion Slave besides Tom Cruise?

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            tweeted her my Deadline Hollywood link…. I wonder how that LA Weekly (or was it LA Times) film critic woman feels now… can’t remember her name off hand… she wrote a fawning book about Cruise saying he never actually jumped on Oprah’s sofa… even Tony did a piece on her… nothing like nailing your colours to a cross, lol

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    in an ongoing series of amazing sites covering ‘Going Clear’ we have “Tech News” giving it a review… my favourite bit:

    “Miscavige is portrayed as a paranoid, manipulative man in love with power, who, according to the film, allegedly authorizes poisonings, theft, abuse, lawsuits, fraud, brainwashing, harassment, physical attacks, human trafficking, damage to personal property and blackmail on a regular basis.”….

    amazing, I don’t think I’ve seen such blanket coverage since Apple’s iWatch

    http://www.techtimes.com/articles/41901/20150324/going-clear-review.htm

    pic

    • scottmercer

      No comments over there yet. Guess the OSA bots have a lot of work on their hands. Yet another five star review for the pile.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        I think the google news alert algorithm for the UK might be different to the US one

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I thought you’s like this Lush:

      “Talking about trailers, Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation might not have a
      good ending but it has a trailer, and a good one. I love when movies
      don’t try to make themselves something they are not. This looks like an
      action trailer movie. It has everything. Hand to hand combat, balls out
      action, Jeremy Renner on good suits, and a lot of Tom Cruise weird
      torso.

      While the trailer might look great, I am a bit suspicious of the timing of
      this release. As we know in Hollywood nothing is ever a coincidence. Are
      they reminding us of the good old action movie star days of Tom Cruise
      and distracting us from the HBO documentary?”
      https://twitter.com/TheGossipHustle/status/580561085415182338

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        my thoughts as well… the normal practise would be a ‘teaser’ trailer but they’ve seemed to have thrown the whole frikkin plot and the full action sequences into this one… also it’s 4 months until it’s release… pretty sure this is the studio testing the water to see how media are handling it. It was reported but it doesn’t appear to have any lag… i.e. it seems to be forgotten about already.

        Have a feeling that the old edict ‘don’t talk about my church’ isn’t going to be accepted by PR-circuit talk shows that are not totally under control by the studios anymore. The elephant in the room vis a vis Cruise is now nuclear sized, it cannot be ignored.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          IDK, but I hope so. Do you know if Jeanne Moos of CNN is on CO$’s speed dial? Seems that after a celebrity Clam wakes up in a PR nightmare, she comes out with a piece on that looks like PR rehabilitation. I noticed this after Travolta’s creepy Oscar performance: http://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2015/02/24/erin-pkg-moos-john-travolta-oscars.cnn

          And now this week she had this on Cruise: http://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2015/03/23/erin-pkg-moos-mission-impossible-5-tom-cruise.cnn

          I usually look forward to her pieces but this Clam love has got me wondering what’s up.

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            I’m going to try and arrange a dinner with my PR buddy about 2 weeks before MI5 comes out and prime him on all the inside Cruise info [as far as his management are behaving]…. here’s a little something that I grabbed from The Sun on Sunday (already earmarking a director for MI6… pffft)… it’s total bullshit and a perfect example of the crap they try and put out… the idiot [@andybizarre] who posted this is the naive new editor of the showbiz pages and is the same numb nuts who started the “Cruise is spending Christmas with Suri” crap that spread all over the internet and was totally discredited… I called him out for being a tiny tommy patsy and he blocked me… seems he hasn’t learned his lesson… Other sites obviously realise he’s a clam kneepad brown-noser and didn’t bother to repeat this particular story.

            pic

  • Miss Tia

    Night time reminder: We’re collecting photos (or videos) of people holding a sign saying they support Marty or stand by him. This initiative was started by Perry (from SPs ‘r’ Us) to show OSA that they might keep Marty from making friends with his neighbors (Perry thought of this idea after seeing the interview with Marty where he said he couldn’t befriend his neighbors as scientology would then harass them) but he STILL has people who stand by him.

    If you do a video clip, the others have just basically said “I’m ___(use your real name or nick name)___and I stand by/support Marty (and Mosey)” if you wish :) You can email it directly to teh47abc8(at)gmail(dot)com or upload it to youtube (you can make it unlisted, it is default public, select that and you’ll see ‘unlisted’ as an option) and then email that link to the aforementioned email addy….Brian C is going to make the video…..i believe Spike is doing the music….

    If you do a photo, well just take a photo holding a sign saying something along the lines of above or whatever you wish to say….email it to brian c….or to me, i can send them to him tia(at)misstia(dot)com….doesn’t matter! :) if you don’t wish to show your whole face, you don’t need too!! do what you feel comfortable doing!!!

  • MaxSpaceman

    OT. Remembering Jillian. A Sea Org slave-worker at 15 years old. A guest on Karen de la C’s Surviving Scientology Video – Hope she’s doing well. :)

    • aquaclara

      Remembering Jillian, too. Sending her best wishes on the coconut telegraph. (OSA can’t tap that wire).

    • i-Betty

      Remember how Jillian came out swinging? She was incredible. I hope her silence means she’s getting on with her life, but there was a time when she was everywhere. I think only Chris Shelton, of the vocal exes, began speaking out so quickly after leaving. Wasn’t it just a matter of weeks between blowing and talking to Karen? She was just wonderful :)

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      I think of her also.Wishing her well and hope she is doing alright.

  • ComeToPresentTime

    What a great piece. This guy seems to have a knack for this whole writing thing, I think he might do pretty well.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I hope he passed the audition.

    • Snake Plissken

      He probably should consider entering the L. Ron Hubbard Writers of the Future Contest this year.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m going to have to dust off the old “lol” and throw it out here on that one.

    • nukethevolcano

      An unfortunate aspect of his departure is that we will never see him take a crack at adapting Battlefield Earth 2 or Revolt in the Stars:)

      • Zana

        I’d love to see him write a screenplay or a series about some people escape a big cult that is trafficking people and making young women get abortions and Fair Gaming people… :-) The world will be primed for that and he’s the one to write it. With the help of Lawrence Wright. That could be a real thriller.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    {Thank goodness Tony has chosen appropriately somber looking photos the last two days so our troll friend does not get confused by the tone of the article}

  • Lady Squash

    While I was still IN, I remember being at an event and a hyped up Miscavige was going on about expansion being “straight up and vertical” and I thought “Ya know, I just don’t do straight up and vertical.” I was a senior citizen by then and all this rah rah stuff was getting very old. At the time, thinking there was something wrong with me, I wistfully thought, “Ah, to be young again.” But now I see it had nothing to do with age and that there was nothing wrong with me and there was something very wrong with Miscavige.

    • pronoia

      I have learned in a very hard way — If I am feeling or being told that it is mostly or always my fault,

    • Fred G. Haseney

      It’s the Underground Bunker a great place to unwind after Scientology Inc?

    • Rita Gregory

      What you felt was wisdom. :)

      • i-Betty

        What a lovely thing to say, Rita.

  • i-Betty

    Well I’m reluctantly going to bed. I will draw my curtains on two of the best days of Bunker blogging in the history of history (and, actually, two of the best interviews Tony has done, imo).

    • outraged

      And it’s only the beginning. :-}

    • Baby

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don’t leave us.. xo night sweetie ( soon Yay)

    • Missionary Kid

      Sweet dreams. BTW, did you see my reply to Skip after his rude reply to you?

      • MaxSpaceman

        I did. It was spot on.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. I was so pissed that I hardly bothered to edit my post, but I’d thought about it after he went after Kim, so I was primed.

          I do like Skip. He can be funny and intelligent, and insightful, but this was one of the times when he wasn’t.

          • i-Betty

            Don’t let Baby see I’m still here (far too much sleep in past 48 hours to kill migraine), but I agree: I’ve known Skip to be charming. I never hold grudges, so I’ll be fine with him when he’s next on. But, like you, a tiny part of my brain will file this away under “keep an eye out”. Thanks again, love :)

            • Missionary Kid

              You are special here in the Bunker, but even if you weren’t, you’re family.

              Family members don’t treat other family that way in my world.

              BTW, I thought I had migraines, but they seemed to migrate from one side of the head to the other. I did a bunch of reading on migraines and discovered that they don’t do that (this was long after a full neurological work up, where they didn’t discover anything in my head), and finally tracked the problem down to sinus headaches.

              Before I found the trigger for the sinus headaches, I came across acupressure (the book was written by an M.D.). I also discovered that when I had the headaches that I would have a muscle knot about 2″ away from my spine and 1-2″ below my shoulder on the same side as the headache.

              By massaging that knot, I could actually cause my sinuses to shrink so that they would start to drain and relieve the pain.

              The main trigger for my sinus headaches was an allergy to oats, but contributing factors would be dehydration, low blood sugar, lack of sleep, and tension. Since drinking dehydrates a person, and will, at times, set off a sinus headache for me in a hangover, before I take a drink, I go through a checklist. One drink at the wrong time can end up being either painful, if I’m not careful, or fun.

              The good news is that I drink so rarely now, that I get a buzz very easily. I’m a cheap drunk!

            • i-Betty

              Thank goodness you got to the bottom of it! It sounds awful. Mine are just boring old migraines, the sort you get once a month and knock you out for up to 3 days. I’m prescribed Maxalt melts (Rizatriptan) and they do work, as long as I catch the migraine early enough.

              Thank you, again, Kid. You are the kindest person. Can you think of anywhere else on the internet where so many disparate people come together and get on so well, and if needs be, police themselves?

            • Missionary Kid

              I resorted to all sorts of things, one of them is putting one of those hair dryer bonnets connected by a hose to the hair dryer because it kept my head warmer than the rest of my body, which seemed to help and allowed me to sleep. I also discovered that a dust mask kept my sinuses moist because it held in the moisture.

              I could take Actifed easily, with only a few minutes of drowsiness, but it would knock other people out.

              This group is unique, and that’s why I’m here. I’ve got to go to bed after running a quick errand. I hope you can sleep tight and wake up refreshed.

            • Missionary Kid

              Nowhere else that I’ve discovered. There are so many people of different backgrounds here that I’m always learning new things.

            • Baby

              Too Late Missy May

            • i-Betty

              Aaaargh!

            • Baby

              I’ll Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh ya..

          • cathy from encino

            I remember him going after you a couple of months ago. The first time he went after me, I figured either he was having an off day or I said something unintentionally wrong to say to someone who was In when I wasn’t. But when he went off on you, after all the great things I’ve seen from you here, I realized that this wasn’t just one off day, and that the problem wasn’t with either me or you.

            Then I saw him go after Kim. Dude’s got an anger management problem that’s too big for Deloitte or Bain Consulting to handle. And he DOES hold grudges. He’s brought up both Kim and me, repeatedly, when whomping on completely different people. Probably because we both called him out on bad behavior to yet OTHER people.

            • Missionary Kid

              I only vaguely remember him saying something, but I’ll take the tack that I did in my reply: “You’re sounding like a $cientologist.”

              If he wants to go ad hominem on me, he’ll just look like an ass. Again, I’ll point out that it’s exactly what a $cientologist will do. On the ‘net, I’ve got a pretty tough skin. I’m ready for his insults. If he wants to act superior, I’ll just point to the way Cruise acted towards Matt Lauer. Again, that’s acting like a $cientologist.

              I really do enjoy Skip, for the most part. I’m glad he’s out of $cientology, but it’s time for him to put away his $cientology toys. They were broken when he got them.

              As I told my nearly teenaged son a long time ago. (To make it fit an adult, I’ve changed the wording a bit). “It’s the divine right of everyone to act like an asshole. Just don’t expect people to like it.”

              Here’s my original posting to him that he may not have seen.
              http://tonyortega.org/2015/03/24/going-clear-paul-haggis-pens-a-description-of-the-scientology-experience-you-wont-forget/#comment-1925685640

            • cathy from encino

              I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what I said to him when I noticed him whaling on you — this is Scientology behavior. Stop. It’s not appropriate.

              Of course that just made him lash out more because how dare I, a Never-In and a Nobody and most of all, a FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMALE, dare to correct The Great And Powerful Prezz?

              I used to enjoy his stories. No longer. He recently posted a very ugly one about a celebrity woman being hot for him and how horny she was. It literally made me feel filthy just reading it. So, anger issues, inappropriate responses, over-the-top namedropping, misogyny and now slut-shaming. What’s not to love?

              PS – Your link doesn’t go to your post but to one by Nat-lificent.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve missed some of his posts, thank goodness. I’m usually reading posts for content.

      • i-Betty

        How extraordinary! If you check your emails you will see a message concerning exactly that. I couldn’t sleep and I was thinking about Skip’s earlier outburst and I remembered I hadn’t thanked you for defending my honour :)

        Seriously, though, thank you. It’s not easy to speak out against the more vocal critics. You did it beautifully, and I think you made your point because the ugliness stopped right there in its tracks.

        Everyone is entitled to an off day, but I will say that I’ll be watching out for misogynistic behaviour from that quarter in future. Celebrity is meaningless; class and good manners is everything, and you have them both in spades.

        • Baby

          Shit I missed it..You know I would have been all over it too..errrrrgh

          • i-Betty

            Someone got out of bed on the wrong side and left his gentlemanly side at home :)

            • Baby

              Speaking of bed.. Go Now.. night night..you are going to regret it in the morning darlin

            • i-Betty

              Sorry, mama. Off I go! *grumble grumble*

              xxx

          • cathy from encino

            I missed it too, Baby, and since I’ve been hit by the Skipster before, you bet I went back and looked by clicking on MK and scrolling through the comments. And it was classic SP behavior. Guess you can’t get through Scientology unscathed with initials like those.

            Here it is.

            • Baby

              I posted Doc.. errrrrrrgh.. asshole thanks

        • Baby

          “class and good manners is everything”
          ………………………

          A FUCKIN A ..

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          I also missed it. he is scary sometimes and it seems to come from no where. I sometimes wonder if its left over from Scientology.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I missed that too. It is hard to keep up. I had yo step away and work for a bit, sigh.

          • i-Betty

            That was the very good point that Kid made to him.

            We shouldn’t be scared of him or anyone, Donna. There will always be a Missionary Kid – or a Tony or a Baby – and many others who will step in and keep aggression in check.

            For me, as soon as someone is ill-mannered I switch off from them. I won’t tolerate it. My blood might be boiling but I won’t dignify them with a response. Good manners cost nothing (she said, sounding just like her Granny).

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              Yes you and MK are rite. So far I have been lucky.And when I first started commenting he was actually nice to me.But I still try to watch my words and alot depends on who is around for me to feel comfortable enough to comment.I have seen people ripped apart and its a real bummer the few here that are like that.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            I think that the evil of scientology has long tentacles that still can reach everywhere into the minds of those who escape, even after years.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Yes, it is. Jon Atack wrote an article about residual scilonese in people like Skipp Pres

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              well its sad. my opinion is deep down he is not happy with himself.I hope he can find himself and realize that being famous and knowing famous people is only material.and what matters comes from the heart. I hope he can find happiness. I will have to look for that article.

            • MaxSpaceman

              well, I think part of the rub, is that Skipper is a wannabe famous, as he is not famous. IDMB him and it’s not impressive. He lost tons of good writing years to ScienLyintology. Paul Haggis is famous. Not Presss.

            • Missionary Kid

              Is that I-DuMB instead of IMDB? 😉

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yes

            • MaxSpaceman

              This doesn’t reflect being famous. Skipper’s IDMB page.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I mean learning how to take being screamed at and not have any emotions,then doing it to others must scar some people deeper than others.

            • Missionary Kid

              The problem is that they start assuming that screaming or invective is a normal state.

            • Couch_Incident

              Sounds like the “dry drunk” phenomenon with some recovering alcoholics.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yes it does

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              do you happen to know a link for that article?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Oh, I wish I did– it’s so hard to manage ‘the finds’ that one comes across. Dang, no. Will post if I find it.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              thank you. i have been trying to find it but man,there are ALOT of articles :)

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          i-Betty you are so sweet – I am sorry to hear that Skip was rude to you. Thank you Missionary Kid.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            Ditto !

          • i-Betty

            Yay, Missionary Kid was the hero of the hour, defending the honour of the Bunker maidens! And I have to say, Skip has never been other than polite to me in the past. It was an off day for him, although I skimmed over his previous comments and there are several occasions where it has seemed appropriate to him to tell our women to fuck off rather than debate them. He seems to have a particular problem with the women who are unmoved by his celebrity ramblings, apparently 😉

          • MaxSpaceman

            He was a cretinous thug about his point. He shouldn’t drag his own insecurity into other people’s space. Jon Atack describes people like Skip – who have that something weird going on that hasn’t departed them yet that Ron Hubbard infected him with. It showed in spades today. And- he doesn’t seem like the Mea Culpa type- another trait of the Scilon. Have you ever heard one apologize?!?

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              no i have never seen a apology,but i have only been lurking like 6 or 7 months now.

        • Missionary Kid

          Wow. Thank you. Skip can be funny as hell, and he is capable of good insight, and he knows a lot of people from his time in $cientology. I kind of rolled my eyes when he went after Kim, and I thought that could have been a snit over something I missed.

          At the time, I didn’t like it, but I thought it was over something that I missed. I noted his behavior, and when he went after you, I got pissed, because I thought I was seeing a pattern.

          I can be a real asshole, but here in the bunker, I don’t expect sweetness and light, but civility and discourse is what I appreciate about the Bunker, and except for trolls, I like to keep it that way.

          • cathy from encino

            It is DEFINITELY a pattern. He’s been incredibly rude to me a number of times as well, and I’ve also noticed misogyny from that quarter. There’s a lot of Sci-style attack-attack-attack coupled with “Who the hell are you” disdain. Not pleasant to be around.

        • cathy from encino

          See my reply to MK below — definitely a pattern of rudeness and misogyny.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Me too, I am off to bed, tomorrow will be an even busier day I imagine! Sweet dreams!

  • Zer0

    Thanks for this, Paul. What an amazing article!!

  • Vaquera

    Most of me is so very excited about the premier of Going Clear this Sunday night. Finally! Nation-wide exposure, credible sources, multiple airings x47. Truly, I am beyond thrilled.

    Still, a little bit of me is anticipating and is already in mourning for the loss of the Bunker’s comment section…the way it has been for the past 2+ years. I’m preparing for the onslaught of new interested commenters, trolls, and drive-bys; lots of patient explanations and the occasional ban-hammer. Don’t get me wrong, I know that the more people, the better for exposing this chult and it’s atrocities. However, I can’t help throwing myself a little pity party tonight because I will miss what we have now.

    Damn. Now my eyes are all juicy and I’m verklempt. Tomorrow will be smiles and sunshine, but tonight I’m being a squishy wimp.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Yep, the past 2 years have been amazing. Such a community. And it’s changed already, I think, Texas CG/Vaquera.:) It was as soon as HBO’s Going Clear was announced and comments soared to a now standard 1,000+ per day. It became much more difficult to stay with the comment board (all of it) and all the commenters, whom each Bunkeroo/Bunkerite had come to know/be aware of. Now, it’s way different. But with a strong-as-ever ‘esprit de corps’ – which is grand. And Tony O will see his creation change and grow. That’s Life.

      • i-Betty

        The beauty of evolution; and the good will always outweigh the bad because this place is built on a bedrock of caek.

        • Baby

          and you know.. Cats and Dogs.. Lots and Lots of Kitteh’s and puppies..

        • Vaquera

          Indeed! Just going to have to strap on my boots in order to wade through the extra layers of frosting.
          Sorry you can’t sleep, my dear.

      • Vaquera

        I’m over the moon for Tony’s success.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I love hearing all his interviews, and he is great in the movie, for those who have not seen it yet.

          • Zana

            He’s cute, too!

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Very much so!

      • Vaquera

        Love it when one of you calls me Texas or cowgirl. It’s a throwback reminder of the 350-500 comment days.

        • MaxSpaceman

          G-d, remember those days . . . there were so many ‘high-fives’ and ‘hugs’ galore. So much popcorn.!

          • Baby

            And Hur Hurs from i-Betty.. and smooches

            • MaxSpaceman

              And the Agent Knickers / i-Betty Mission to Miami. And the *snickersnort* ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdhhcBB47cU

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Not Monkey Knickers – it’s Agent Knickers – but yes that is a great clip!

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yeah, I changed it, thanks.

            • Baby

              ( BIG difference..hahahhahaah)

            • i-Betty

              Best arse on the planet. The cow.

              That’s my Agent Knickers :)

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I guess those days are gone for good!

          • Vaquera

            Maybe someone (not me) could start a “comment pool” where we each get a guess on how many comments this Sunday’s post receives, or how many total comments for March 31-April 5. Of course, the winner would win bravos and kudos as opposed to a monetary prize.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              That would be great! Live blogging on court dates is the only challenger based on the past – I think this will be really big!

            • MaxSpaceman

              Or Tacos maybe. That’s a good prize. Tacos, caek and popcorn.

            • Vaquera

              I like my tacos trashy (that’s when they’re topped with messy, melted queso). Yummy!

      • Zana

        And Tony O will begin to be acknowledged for the heroic work he has been doing for 20 years already. ! I LOVE this community. !! Wild, outrageous, bitter, defrocked, apostates…having a wonderful time throwing sand in the Co$ gas tank.

        • MaxSpaceman

          And post documentary will be the release of “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely,” which could very well move into Best-Seller land. And it’s perfect for a motion picture. Written and Directed by Paul Haggis. !

          • Zana

            Yes!!! I can’t wait to read that. :-) Yes yes yes!!! Great idea!

            • MaxSpaceman

              from your lips to G-d’s ears, Z.

    • Baby

      Oh Texas.. You know I have told many new people to Google…( What does Suppressive Person Mean? You guys keep talking about the hole..What is that?)

      I’m nice about it.. but so many questions..so many answers..Usually they have lurked long enough to know what is going on seriously..

      I am not worried about it one bit.. Some will stay some will leave.. BUT WE ARE TRULY ADDICTED..WE ARE HARD CORE JUNKIES..

      • Missionary Kid

        We’re hooked on Ortega smack.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          And maaan! Doesn’t he always get the real good stuff :)

          • Missionary Kid

            He does, and what I appreciate is that he gives credit where it’s due, and honors those who were brave enough to speak out when it was truly dangerous.

            • Vaquera

              Seconded

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Ms. V, look what you made me do, now I have to word clear verkplemt…

      • Baby

        Yeah Texas Thanks A lot you made us cry.. all mushy and shit

        • Vaquera

          Just a petit pity party. Tissue?

      • Vaquera

        It’s a handy word to have in your arsenal.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Yes it is! Especially around here.

    • Robert Eckert

      The first hearings in Mosey Rathbun’s case brought an explosion of new members which radically changed the psychology of the comment section from what it was before. Captain Howdy (whom I miss greatly) was quite a grump about it at the time and some who were long-time regulars drifted away or posted less and less frequently.

      • Vaquera

        Yes, I remember.

  • Valhalkarie

    As I’m reading THRs letter from “karen” or w/e responce to going clear and there 20 questions,they’re saying everything including disconnection is not true. They value familys and want them to work it out. Then say she chose her son that had a horrible drug problem,he was even arrested over her entire family,ummm every non cult family gets closer when one of our own is that I’ll and can die! So scientology declares women for being a mom to her sickest child? A kid that has a problem exactly like the ones they embrace and can do something about it? Literally there rebuttle is so bad,they confirm and show how harsh and cruel they really are!!!! In life a mother is kinda like doing triage daily if she has more than one kid. And in real life with no oppression,that family she left for her son would be having an intervention together. They just confirmed how badly they force disconnection,it’s even worse when the life problem is as bad as it can get. The exact opposite of scientology. How diluded they can’t see this??!!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      That is so true, Val. Most moms defend their kids and help them when they are in trouble. I would never disconnect from my son if he had a drug problem – nor would his sister. I would be there every step of the way with him and try to get help.

      • Valhalkarie

        Right?! Another thing,how can’t they not see that david miscavages disconnection policy does not control the gate to spirit . He’s not a gate keeper! Helloooo lol

    • Mymy88

      OMG OMG I am SO very glad that $cien is making the biggest fool of itself imaginable, and repeatedly. It’s just too much damn fun. I’m telling you! LOL

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Exactly,their logic makes no sense and shows how callous and viscous they are. Fools

    • Zana

      And they are supposed to be the experts in healing drug abuse.

      • Mark Foster

        The true experts on the mind, yes. Holders of the the only workable technology for the salvaging of this sector of the universe.

  • Synthia Fagen

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart Paul Haggis.

    • Baby

      and a big thank you to you Syn.. for all that you do..for the words you have written and for speaking out.. You are a warrior.

      • Synthia Fagen

        Awwwwe. Thanks Baby! You too.

        • Baby

          Everytime I see your Avi..it puts a smile on my face.. and that smile of yours looks like you are up to no good.. ( tee hee)

          • Synthia Fagen

            Hahaha, why however did you know 😉

            • Baby

              I am one smarty baby.. xo

            • Synthia Fagen

              Yes-indeedily-do! xo

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    there’s somethings definitely strange going on with Krustie right now… 10 days and counting since her last tweet… fair enough one might say but [minor] UK press printed that she was in a new reality show… now, those of you who follow her tweets would remember the relentless tweeting and self-promotion of her last TV show, recent radio appearance, in fact any mention of herself anywhere etc.

    This is seriously out of character for her…. hmmm

    her TV stuff is in my latest blog http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/newspaper-predicts-future-of.html

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Hm, I am glad you are tracking this, Media Lush — I would not have picked up on it at all.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        what’s also strange is the two publications that bothered to print this… the Swindon Times [in my blog] and ‘The Preston Citizen’…. the Daily Mail, who’s the total whore as far as celeb PR goes didn’t mention it all. If you’re from the UK you’d find it funny that local Swindon and Preston papers printed this. It’s like she got a new show in the US and the only mention of it was in Little Rock Gazette and Rhode Island Chronicle … definitely weird

        pic

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      But isn’t she supposed to be living in another age? One without Twitter? Maybe she is not allowed such electronic devises? IDK, just a guess.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        she would have known for weeks, if not months, that she had a new reality TV series… there’s no ‘keep it secret’ angle to the show at all

        • Mymy88

          I do remember Kirstie tweeting she was going on some kind of healing journey (spiritually and mentally), and then there was nothing for a few days, and then she tweeted something like “I got the job!” I think it was right before the Sundance premier of ‘Going Clear’. I could have things confused, but that’s the best I can do. Please don’t kill my dog (oh my gosh, I’m so bad tonight). LOL

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            yeah, Feb 3rd… this could well have been it but my point is that, previously, she couldn’t stop talking about that awful sitcom she was on… and it was pretty much mentioned in all the relevant press… it’s just that this seems quite different in comparison

            pic

    • Jenstnick

      Is she on Freewinds for OT VIII? No cell reception on the asbestos deck?

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        last tweet with any kind of location reference was Mar 12th in London [Freewinds stuff was at least a month before this]

        pic

        • Zana

          OMG. She actually admits this kind of behavior to the world? Yikes.

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            yeah, there was quite a discussion on that very fact when I first posted her comment here [it’ll be on Mar 12 on my disqus comments]

  • what’suppressive

    The radio interview was great…….except the millisecond I pictured my parents engaging in rough sex……that part sucked.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Lolol — oh the lulz :-)

      • what’suppressive

        Admit it Max…. You did too.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Oh fuggedabouddit, What’s S. I couldn’t go there; I would get out of it !

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • MaxSpaceman

      Nice, Walrus! Thanks.

      • Mymy88

        Definitely!

    • i-Betty

      Marty is coming across fantastically in all his pre-HBO interviews. Contrast and compare his cool, calm, reflective demeanor with the rabid hysteria of Scientology’s counter-attacks.

      • Missionary Kid

        He’s just helping them in their stupidity.

      • Rita Gregory

        Kind of blows that whole violent psychopath image the chult tries to portray him as.

        • i-Betty

          Yes, and the layman is going to notice all these ‘small’ lies and start questioning the big lies. Goodie! :)

      • Baby

        ***HELLO?” jeeze .. xo

        • Rita Gregory

          Run i-Betty the jig is up. Baby knows you didn’t go to bed!

          • Baby

            hahahahhaha Yes it is.. and yes I do! xo

    • Rita Gregory

      Thanks Walrus! This was great.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    … a late night thought just occurred to me… we all know that tiny fists is a walking pustule of everything that can go wrong with mankind but he’s still surviving when many others would have fallen by the wayside…. he obviously thrives on negative press (are you sure, ed?) and worse… in other words our comments here are keeping him going!! (lol, ….maybe)

    • Missionary Kid

      I hope they keep him going, because he’s done more to destroy $cientology than anyone else alive. Cruise is second.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        THE BUNKER IS THE ONLY THING KEEPING DAVID MISCAVIGE ALIVE!!!

        (uuuuh, the irony, ed)

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s OK. The longer he stays, the more $cientology rapidly shrinks.

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            … yeah, life becomes much less interesting once he’s gone

            • Missionary Kid

              I think it will be just as interesting after DM’s gone. He’s got no means for succession, and what will be left are assholes like Cardone (sorry, didn’t mean to insult assholes) vying for power.

              I foresee a war over succession that will totally fragment what is left of $cientology, but Ireserve the right to be wrong.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          That Marty interview (below) mentions that they are like the Mafia in welcoming the bad PR about harassment because it keeps people fearing them and in line.

          Speaking of bad PR:http://www.laineygossip.com/More-insight-into-Tom-Cruises-role-in-church-of-Scientology-and-David-Miscavige-relationship-as-Going-Clear-documentary-release-date-approaches/37981 CO$ and Tom Cruise can gloss over the gossip articles about his crazy rants, his creepy divorces, his ooky dating schemes and even snarky movie reviews. But they must be really quaking in their boots now because it’s becoming common for more gossip columns to post links to the Bunker. Sweet enturbulation!

          • Missionary Kid

            “How sweet it is.” Jackie Gleason was right.

          • MaxSpaceman

            “Enturbulate! Enturbulate! Dane to the music.”

            • Missionary Kid

              2, 4, 6, 8, Let’s all enturbulate!
              Bunker, Bunker, Goooooo Bunker!

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              The Great Enturbulation Tribulation! We are witnessing the end times of the CO$! Can I get an AMEN, brother? Hallelujah!!

            • Missionary Kid

              AMEN! Hallelujah, and praise Xenu!

          • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

            we’re used to the seasoned pros snarking at Cruise and his cult but what’s going to be pretty amusing… (I’m anticipating) are all the wannabe journalists [who didn’t make it to the actual Sundance and subsequent screening] wanting to make a name for themselves as critics after the HBO release…. you might remember that I posted a link to a BMX magazine a couple of weeks ago that was actually talking about it. There’s going to a total car-crash of lulz that OSA will attempt to manage that will only add to the spectacle. What’s frustrating my end is that I’m visiting my parents this weekend and will have limited participation… anyway, I’ve had twitter confrontations with this new talk show host in the past and he actually made amends…. I just tweeted him this… BOY, WOULDN’T BE SOMETHING IF HE DID….

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Lush, I’ve been meaning to ask you, when you send Tom Cruise “fan letters” do you sign them “ML”? I swear every time I see that goofy Clam correspondence signed “ML” all I can think of is Media Lush and have to laugh! ; )

            • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

              first time it caught my eye but I always use an underscore

          • Rita Gregory

            Until someone comes along who is too pissed to be scared and gets other people pissed off. This is one big snowball of pissed off people and after March 29th, it will be even bigger.

          • Dale A.

            Thanks for the tip. The last line in that review was pretty funny “what kind of a title is Inspector General”. I don’t know, a character in a Peter Sellers movie maybe? It’s easy to get used to the ridiculousness of Scientology speak, until you hear someone who doesn’t read about this stuff all the time trying to say it.

    • Baby

      Oh Lush.. He is so enturbulated right now ..He lost 2 inches off his height and Dick

      • Rita Gregory

        I doubt he had 2 inches to lose on his…. Oh, never mind.

        • Baby

          Can you tell I have had a few Brewskies I am celebrating NOT Dishwashing..hahaha

          • Missionary Kid

            I went out tonight for dinner, and told the manager about the owner of the restaurant not helping out when things got busy. He just rolled his eyes.

            • Baby

              That still pisses me off.. errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve seen that manager do everything to keep things going, from emptying garbage cans to taking orders, to doing prep work.

              The contrast must be annoying at the best.

              Is that a new restaurant? Do you think it will fail?

            • Baby

              I know.. Jeeze Louise.. Yes it is New.. Yes I think it will fail. They are losing employees right and left.

              In fact my old boss was the pastry chef she quit.. One day I watched her ( well, I helped her peel apples ..open cans, wash dishes etc. ) and she make like 10 pies.

              and her fabulous cheesecakes and cinnamon rolls. The whole desert case was full and pies / cakes in pantry/ fridge etc.

              When I walked out that night..There was One key lime pie in the case.. and when I went into the office.. There was a dessert box from COSCO..

              She walked out the day that she was told that they sold one of her pies for $60

              She was getting paid $10 hr. She said.. ” I’ll open my own damn bakery..”

            • Missionary Kid

              It sounds like the owner may have worked in the restaurant business, but really doesn’t know anything about the totality of running a restaurant or how to manage people.

              The unfortunate kid who replaced you probably won’t have a job all that long.

          • Rita Gregory

            I’m enjoying the upstairs living room late at night since mom went to visit my sis for a few days. She needed a change of scenery so I’m acting like a bad child staying up late and making too much noise!

            • Missionary Kid

              CLANG! CRASH! BANG!
              Does that help?

            • Rita Gregory

              Sounds like hubby is in the kitchen!

            • Missionary Kid

              That was to help you out with the noise. :-)

            • Missionary Kid

              I was making joining you in making too much noise. 😉

            • Baby

              Well, I won’t tell your mama….shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don’t Trash the house.. : D

          • Mark Foster

            Baby! Big Hug. Won´t be around for awhile. Maintain current trajectory coordinates
            for the light-bringer class vessel ¨Cult Crusher¨ . Over and out.

            • Baby

              Over and Out good buddy.. 10-4 Proceeding as planned.

              ( I will miss you terribly..) Breaker Breaker..

        • Mark Foster

          No worries, Rita, he´s dickless.

  • Sumei FitzGerald

    This is amazing. It gets to the heart of what keeps Scientology working and why, as so many people ask, seemingly intelligent people get locked in.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    missed this first time round and haven’t seen it posted here…. quite a telling Forbes headline:

    Tom Cruise Needs ‘Mission: Impossible’ More Than ‘Mission: Impossible’ Needs Him

    http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/scientology-sex-fantasies-now-on-kindle.html?q=Amy+Nicholson

    pic

    • MaxSpaceman

      You saw the trailer, Lush. You’ll concur that worldwide gross for such a tent pole/franchise will be what … For MI 5: Rogue Nation. Expected global gross $715 million. Eh ?

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve thought of picketing MI5 with a sign that says something like, “Enjoy the movie, then find out what Tom Cruise is really like: Watch Going Clear.”

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        Max, I gave you a detailed breakdown on how box office figures are managed and where the money actually goes. The truly important figure is the US net. Believe me when I say I’ve done a lot of research (from the web and friends in the biz) to get a handle on the actual interpretation of the breakdown. I’m too knackered to look for them now but there was a terrific piece [from Variety I believe] that explained how a $500m grossing ‘tent-pole’ movie actually lost a shit-load.

        In a nutshell you, and most of the others on THR and similar, who argue their case are under the assumption that overseas gross is ‘gross’ to the US studio… they’re extremely lucky to get 30%, if that. And with Cruise and MI5 the overseas distributors are in prime contract position to screw with the US studio.

        You bandy figures without really understanding them. Cruise’s last film is still $80 shy of it’s $180m production budget. It was on record that it’s worldwide PR spend (which, for tentpoles is very close to it’s actual production budget) had an additional spend of 100m…. that’s an extra one hundred fucking million dollars on top of the normal PR/Ad spend… because the studio was nervous and rolled the dice… AND LOST!!

        Edge of Tomorrow was a complete disaster as far as Hollywood was concerned… and yeah, it’s current figures are about $700 millish.

        So ‘Eh’… eh?

        In a nutshell MI5 is this amazingly expensive golden Cruise turd… the last time they tried to polish it they literally pissed away $100m… do you think they’re going to double down after Going Clear?

        • MaxSpaceman

          Dude- relax. I was throwing out bait – and you snapped like a guppy fish. Lulz.

          I don’t care either way. His box office demise will come sooner or later. Whether with this pic, or some in the future.

          Eh, Lushy?

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Cruise told Yahoo, “As a kid I remember flying on an airplane and thinking: ‘what would it be like out on the wing or on the side of the airplane?!’

      Please tell me that I’m not the only one who thinks of this when seeing Cruise dangling from that plane in the MI:5 trailer…

      https://jasonchinftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/123-nightmare-at-20000-feet.jpg

      • Rita Gregory

        Miscavige’s face needs to be on that wing monster.

        • Robert Eckert

          Observer has shooped that; the man is saying something “It keeps going for my wallet!”

          • Ella Raitch

            With DM’s face!

    • EnthralledObserver

      Don’t these movie producers do their research about their ‘stars’ before embarking on a project? TC has been wearing an ever worsening PR disaster since at least two to three years ago.

      • Rita Gregory

        I’ll bet after Going Clear they’re going to pay more attention to just how much TC’s star has diminished.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    4 Days

  • Pan-Deterrentism

    Someone mentioned below that Dm does not have a successor:

    My prediction for DM’s successor goes by the name of Sean. He comes from a non-scientology family, and joined Scientology in 2008, and became an OT8 in 5 years. Turns 30 years old on Halloween this year, and he has been running the successful South Coast Mission for 6 or 7 years already. He was also supposed to join the Sea Org or at least that is what he told a handful of Sea Org members including David Miscavige. As relayed to me by a Sea Org member, he personally shook the hands of DM at one of the events, and Sean told DM he would see him in management in the near future (if Scientology will even be a religion by then). He was also on the ship in late February for God knows what (he’s been an OT8 for over a year already). Hopefully the war for succession will obiterate what is left of the church. But if I was DM, I would put my money on Sean to run the Church. He is just as Narcissistic AND money driven but not cruel enough (yet). I hope I am wrong and the church goes by the wayside. Just a late night thought don’t mind me. Carry on…

    • Mark Foster

      I just wanted to stake out a position on higher ground regarding this ¨succession speculation¨.
      FUCK MISCAVIGE AND FUCK SEAN.
      Thank you, carry on.

  • Missionary Kid

    Is it just because of my interest in $cientology, or is it really true that we’re seeing more buzz from more sources than any other movie I’ve seen in a long time?

    Reviews and comments from the Wall Street Journal about Cruise. All sorts of small newspapers and blogs, online tabloids, morning TV “chat” shows, the same for evening shows. Large radio stations, Sirius XM, as well as all sorts of radio news are also in the mix.

    $cientology has built up a huge reservoir of ill will.

    Welcome to the rest of your life, DM, it’s a downward spiral.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      It’s happening.

      • Missionary Kid

        I think other film producers would kill for the virtually free publicity. Miscavige has helped it along.

        I don’t know how much HBO has budgeted for the move, but the take from the theater showings sure will heip their bottom line

    • EnthralledObserver

      Let it be so. :)

    • ComeToPresentTime

      It’s difficult to have perspective on that sort of thing. Personally I feel that enough people seeing this film and talking about it to others who may still be indifferent and have their (bu bu but it’s like every other religion) stance without actually looking at this evidence set forth may cause a few more “cracks” as mentioned above. It’s quite easy for someone to disregard words in a book and take the aforementioned stance, and it’s also easy for lots of people not to read a book at all. It’s a substantial commitment to make. Seeing real people on screen telling their very personal stories is something else entirely. Quite a few of these people binge-watching The Jinx on HBO Go could decide to watch this film after being bombarded by the trailer for it. It’ll reach a new crowd that the countless books about the subject couldn’t get to.

      Do I see this documentary as the tipping point that will finally get the information about the CoS’s crimes against humanity into the cultural zeitgeist, compelling incredible public pressure on the IRS to reverse their decision on the CoS that was obviously made under duress? Not really. But it’ll be a relatively major milestone nonetheless.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

        John Oliver’s show is off next Sunday, and there’s a whole bunch of people who watch his show. I believe that Going Clear is in his time slot. Also, HBO will probably show it on rotation, which will also help.

        Alex Gibney is lucky that Rinder and Rathbun seem to have dropped most of their woo-woo, and, especially, passed through their indie streak. That makes them much more believable.

        The movie may not be a tipping point, but it definitely will be a milestone. Tory’s “tick tock” is running faster and faster.

        I see the movie as emboldening the general public to show their disgust at $cientology to the extent that $cientologists’ vision of the world being against them will be true. People will openly declare their disgust for the cult.

        I’m willing to bet that the body routers in Hollywood, being true believer sea org types, will start hearing insults and open digust, when before, they were getting only polite excuses from the public.

  • Kao Eye

    perfect last sentence. <3

  • Viktoria

    Disappointing news for us in the north of Europe. HBO do not have the international rights to Going Clear and because of that they are not allowed to show the movie. I guess we will have to wait until the movie is streamed… Bugger!

    • Missionary Kid

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that HBO sold those rights to another distributor. Someone can correct me on that.

      • Viktoria

        Who? Who? The customer service people at HBO Nordic couldn’t tell! *excited*

        • Missionary Kid

          There was some talk of it around the time of Sundance, I believe. HBO sold the distribution rights to someone, and I can’t tell you who it was. The report was “Europe” but I don’t know if it included Scandinavia.

          Someone else can provide the information. What country are you in (You don’t have to answer?) I assume it’s either Denmark, Sweden, Norway, or Finland.

          Don’t hold it against me, but I’m a first, second, and third generation American. All of my ancestors came from Sweden.

          • Viktoria

            Then maybe we’re distant relatives. i will wait for next wave. =) Thanks!

            • Missionary Kid

              My father came from Norrbotten, my mother’s mother (mormor?) Småland, and I don’t know what province her paternal grandparents came from.

            • Viktoria

              So your mormor was from Småland? Nice. I’m from around those parts of Sweden as well. No relatives who has moved to the states from that area though.

            • Missionary Kid

              My mormor emigrated from Sweden in, i believe, the late 1880s with her parents. That’s a little before our time. My mother was born here in the early 1900s. My father emigrated in the early 1920s while still a teenager.

              I asked my cousins how well my father spoke Swedish, and they said he spoke it very well, but an old form. I understand that Swedish linguists and ethnographers used to come to the U.S. and interview older Swedes because their language hadn’t changed much from the time they left Sweden. Like the U.S., Swedish has probably become more uniform over time, with the strong regional accents disappearing over time with people moving about and mass communication.

            • Viktoria

              This is true, about the language becoming more uniform. However, Sweden is a oblong country and therefore the accents differ quite a bit from the south to the north. Some who lives in the north cannot really understand the ones in the south if they do not speak very slowly. A common notion in Sweden is that when you come from Norrbotten, you tend to speak with a lot less words and are somewhat introvert, when as in Småland you are more likely to be extrovert (if a swede ever can be extrovert in that sense). =)

            • Missionary Kid

              My father, being from Norrbotten, was not introverted. Of course, that could have been the result of becoming a preacher and a missionary, jobs where it is important to talk to people.

              I viewed my mormor from Småland as simply my grandmother, so I couldn’t tell you if she was an extrovert or not.

              I agree with your assessment of Swedes not having a reputation for being extroverts. Generally, I found them to be somewhat standoffish, but once approached, to be friendly. Am I wrong in that it comes from a strong sense of privacy and a desire not to invade another person’s privacy?

              I remember my cousins visiting America years ago and going to a play with my sister and her husband. What they found different was the interaction between the players and the audience in that play. They said that one would never find that in a play in Sweden. Maybe things have changed.

              I don’t know how Karl Larsson is viewed in Sweden now, but I’ve always loved his paintings.

            • Viktoria

              Carl Larsson paintings are very saught after in Sweden. I only have a print of one and if I don’t win the lottery, I will never afford one. I’ve really pondered over your question why we Swedish are a bit standoffish. Because we actually are. I have no idea. Upbringing, the law of jante (very norweigan and swedish thing), perhaps? I really can’t say.

        • Missionary Kid

          I could be totally wrong Ask again when the next wave of Bunkaroos shows up.

        • Drat

          http://www.contentmediacorp.com/news/press_clippings/content-media-to-sell-going-clear.html

          I guess we’ll hear who the buyers are after HBO’s broadcast period is finished.

          • Viktoria

            Just sent their London office an e-mail. Hopefully someone knows. I really would prefer watching this in HD and not pixel%#?=¤¤# online.

            • Drat

              I’ll be buying the DVD either way.

            • Newiga

              Tack så mycket! I’d love to see it too in HD

            • Viktoria

              Det var så lite så.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        According to IMDB:
        Distributors
        Content Media (2015) (Non-US) (all media)
        Home Box Office (HBO) (2015) (USA) (TV)
        Madman Entertainment (2015) (Australia) (all media)

        • Viktoria

          Will investigate. Thanks!

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. That’s awesome.

      • hansje brinker

        You are right! In Holland the docu is is purchased by a tv company and can be seen on 19 may!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I’m still catching up on reviews, so in case you haven’t seen this one: “Clear’ As Mud: HBO’s Riveting Scientology Documentary” http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/clear-as-mud-hbos-riveting-scientology-documentary/

    “The most likable talking head is actor Jason Beghe, who’s such a humorous and caustic palooka that you wonder how he ever got pulled in to begin with. (He was definitely a zealot, though: “I’d done more [with
    Scientology] than John Travolta had done,” Beghe snorts, “and he’d been there for 85 years or some shit.”)”

    “Gibney, on the other hand, is just doing his usual skillful job of alerting viewers to a bunch of creeps.”

    “…his slurpy grin making his teeth look like dazed escapees from his liver’s depths anytime they see daylight…”

    “If the Hubbard we see in Going Clear has a certain bonhomie and even a bit of pathos, Miscavige is just plain scary.”

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paIgd_lvAuI&feature=share Ginger Sugerman

    The Doubt Formula Hubbard wrote for people to make up their minds about a person, group ect. they have Doubt about. In the formula a person is supposed to look at the statistics (good and bad ) of BOTH SIDES. Unfortunately if you have doubt about $cientology your not allowed to look at any bad statistics. Hubbard says the ethics formulas don’t work if applied incorrectly so you have to do each step of the formula. So a person would have to look at the bad side of $cientology as well. Yet, your not ALLOWED TOO by the Cult !!! This was the simple seed that started me questioning $cientology. Thank God !

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  • Tory Christman

    This is SO true!! Thank you Paul and Tony for posting it. I especially love: ” Questioning anything means questioning everything. Even the
    slightest crack in that belief system could spread into a fissure. They
    cannot afford or allow the smallest doubt, because if it took root,
    their perfect world — a world where there is an answer to every one of
    life’s questions — could fall apart around them, and they would be left,
    like the rest of us, searching in the dark for their own answers in an
    uncertain world. Which brings to mind something a true genius wrote:
    “Forget your perfect offering. There is a crack, a crack, in
    everything. That’s how the light gets in.” For the sake of my former
    friends, many of whom I loved, I hope that Going Clear is the first crack, that they will watch it, and the light will slip in.

    — Paul Haggis”

    Sunshine Disinfects…a quote Warrior used to say, for years, and is also SO true!
    Love to ALL :) Tory/Magoo

  • valshifter

    One thing is for sure, even if the scienos don’t want to see this movie, is gonna make it difficult for the cult to catch new pray, since now the movie is going to be on a lot of peoples minds, any hint that anybody gives that they plan to join the cult they will be stopped and reminded of the movie or sent to look for more information on the net, but sure enough there will be DOUBT on peoples minds, scientology hates doubt.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      I’m sure they think it’ll blow over much like the Time Magazine piece did back in the day. The thing is, the Internet never forgets.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Just watched the entire Jason Beghe interview Mark Bunker did again. I didn’t notice so much just how messed up he was still at that time, only a year out of $cientology, but he definitely still had some issues to sort. He sounds much more coherent in subsequent interviews and speeches he gave.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      Make no mistake, he was completely coherent in that interview with Bunker too. It’s just that he was using so much Scieno-speak that it appears that way to many of us wogs. Once you decipher what he was saying into actual English, you’ll be amazed at the insight he displays in that interview.

      • EnthralledObserver

        I probably used the wrong words to describe what I meant. I agree, he was coherent, as in I understood what he said and meant, but his thinking was still in some small ways controlled by the brainwashing from $cientology. He was still touting some of the values from the ‘tech’ even, and it’s only this second time watching it all the way through that I recognise that it’s more than that. Just my opinion, of course. :)

  • Patricia Royce

    This piece brought tears to my eyes. Thank you Paul, for your incredibly honest and beautifully described essay on Scientology. I remember you well and remember some pretty great times we all had while in the cult. That’s the part people don’t understand that needs to be pointed out. We were all having a ball. In fact, I was one of the one’s helping pour the kool-aid down your throat while being the “Commanding Officer of Celebrity Center”. I laugh as I say the title. What a hoax. LRH certainly knew the power of appealing to our egos. We thought we knew it all. And to add just one tiny note….I believe that there was little tiny morsels of truth that sucked us all in. Things we had never heard before. Things that we simply WANTED to believe, so fervently. It spoke to that desire, that longing, to know ourselves and unravel the great mystery. Hubbards confidence filled us by proxy. I’m so glad I was thrown out while so young.

  • AintMizBahavin

    hello everyone.. just saw a preview for m.i 5 not impressed and neither are many people i know who are /were addicted to the movie and eagerly awaiting its next release. that says a lot message to cruise ” i hope you enjoy your relationship with missocialpath looks like its going to be the only one you’ll have left very soon..

    • ComeToPresentTime

      I thought the trailer looked great and have a feeling that the movie will end up pretty awesome as well, definitely with Christopher McQuarrie at the helm, because he’s never had a hand in a bad movie as far as I’m concerned. But these days, I can’t comfortably put any of my money towards a film that Cruise is involved in, knowing full well that I’d be supporting a beneficiary of slave labor.

  • Unex Skcus

    Paul Haggis is such an awesome writer!

  • http://www.lermanet.com ArnieLerma

    “Everything a hypnotist tells a person is true for them” George Estabrooks 1943

    • ComeToPresentTime

      That quote is so true, and definitely turns the line “what’s true is true for you” completely on its head..

  • ComeToPresentTime

    That quote is so true, and definitely turns the line “what’s true is true for you” completely on its head.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Okay, yes, it’s a good description. But I’ve read this from Haggis before — this idea that it felt exciting to be a member of a marginalized community. I’m sorry, but this strikes me as something that only a white, wealthy, heterosexual man who has never experienced a great deal of marginalization or personal adversity would ever say. And it doesn’t line up with the high-minded — and also clearly articulated — idealism and political liberalism that Haggis says attracted him to it in the first place. It sounds narcissistic, like someone who’s sad because he doesn’t get to experience things like, I don’t know, racial profiling or police violence — and who needs something to fill this perceived “void” and make him feel alive. I’m sorry, but I just cannot read this thing about how he wanted to be part of a marginalized group without feeling judgmental about it, or at least a little suspicious about his actual motivations or decades of monetary support for the faith.

    And for that matter, how does this particular, very conservative faith actually align with any kind of political liberalism at all? Is it just the idea that anything considered outside of the “mainstream” was considered subversive in some way at the time? Maybe it wasn’t as clear when Haggis joined all those years ago, but still… The idea of helping “the able” to become “more able” sounds like something straight out of Ayn Rand, who wanted to do the same damn thing. Doesn’t everyone at least learn that this is the goal of Scientology by about the first day? I mean, it certainly doesn’t have much to say about advancing social equality or anything, right?

    I saw Crash when it came out. From that, I learned that Haggis was indeed interested in thinking through meaningful social problems, even if he seemed (to me) to have a fairly contrived and superficial way of doing it in that particular movie. I believe this is true: He’s an extremely privileged, insulated Hollywood liberal who cares about important things but doesn’t really have life experiences that help him make sense of them. Scientology seemed to him like a vicarious way of understanding oppression — I will always distrust this kind of motivation. It’s something that I joked about when I found out that my family has some Jewish heritage on one side — with high fives and obnoxious statements like, “Yeah! Dude, I always thought we were part of a marginalized ethnic group!” I never said or thought this seriously. I would hate anyone who did. So Haggis came from a hippy era in which anything different was thought to be subverting the status quo in some way, sure, and maybe it wasn’t as easy to recognize the conservatism of the religion back then.

    But Marcuse and the New Left and Angela Davis and plenty of other people — many a lot more mainstream than that — were exploring ways to do this politically at the time. And there was Kaballah for people who wanted a self-centered New Agey approach that wasn’t going to turn into a destructive cult (Ah-hem, sorry, I realize it’s an ancient mystical tradition, but damn if Madonna and company don’t get on my nerves with their stupid bracelets…) And they were all right there in California. How does one look at the various options then populating the landscape and go, “Hm, this one with the mantra right out of Atlas Shrugged is the one for me. Because I am a liberal and an idealist.” Really, how?

    With folks who really felt desperate for community and assistance, or struggled with addiction or who had not had access to a great deal of education or something… Or people who didn’t want to be gay because it wasn’t accepted back then — and who were looking for the kind of “ex-gay cure” promised in Scientology… With some people, I understand it. But with a kid who made a living wage in Hollywood from pretty much the day he left home, I do not get it. Seems like a pretty lucky guy to me. So you want to help the world? Become a political activist. Serve breakfast at a homeless shelter. Oppression is not about you, Haggis. I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but you probably will never read this comment anyway.

    And though I have a great deal of respect for Lawrence Wright, I really wish he’d asked about this.

  • Scooter Black

    Brainwashing at its highest level.

  • Pineygrrl

    Paul Haggis states most lucidly one of the many conundrums and hypocrisies that exist in scientology, one which was hardest for me to understand….my very able sister, who has been in since 1978 and was also in the SO for several years, is a good person, funny, and fun, but who has also disconnected from our youngest sister over 20 years now with apparently not even the slightest qualm. This has created a big cognitive dissonance in me….I love big sis, but have drawn far away from her in previous years when I found out she had kicked younger sis to the curb. Our family’s story is much bigger than this one aspect, but I wanted to limit myself to our personal experience with what Mr. Haggis is talking about. He is devestatingly spot on. A huge well-done and thank you.

  • Blue_Wave

    The truly sublime aspect of this essay is that it would be just as relevant and accurate when applied to any religion.

  • Tory Christman

    I’ve known Paul for many, many years…way back to when we were all in the Cult.
    I couldn’t be more proud of him in this documentary. He’s the BEST!!

  • Pineygrrl

    The policy of Disconnection is alive and real.

  • Tony Lavoie

    Paul, of all ppl , knows you can twiste anything to look stupid. You can make it look anyway you want. It’s the same story. Like a love seen. It can be twisted in a million ways. That said, I have to wonder if the film, and all those involved, are making this a Strategy to reform Scientology. Becos I don’t believe he and the clan are sincere, that is, Ron isn’t that bad. Deep down, they know Ron. And he was far more good then he was bad.
    Something is a real miss here… Despite the onslaught on Ron. I call bullshit. And I can prove it.

    • noseinabk

      The movie Going Clear has little to do with a “strategy to reform scientology”. The policy’s of disconnection and fair game are reprehensible no matter what or who you follow. That the COS uses strong arm tactics to bankrupt members and, recruit those members children is something every current or potential scientologist should be aware of. A church with billions of dollars has no reason to treat the SO as they do or to bankrupt its members to pay for more buildings, lawyers and private investigators.

    • Fink Jonas

      “Ron isn’t that bad”
      Ron was a liar and a con man, the Piltdown Man mentioned in history of man never existed, the Purif and detox programs have not been scientifically proven and are dangerous, your church is not a church is a cult and a scam operating in disguise as a religion. His biography are all lies made up to make him look good, he failed physics and was not good at mathematics at all, and never graduated from any university, he was not a naval officer etc etc etc, all lies about his biography. if you are still inside the cult you better wake up and smell the coffee.

  • Liberated

    Regarding, a sympathetic politician to investigate scientology, let’s not forget congressman Leo Ryan’s attempt to “check out ” the cult of Jonestown. Tragic ending. Don’t ever put anything past that Nazi dwarf Miscaviage. He’s evil.
    Did he not go after his own father?

  • weled