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‘Going Clear’: Jason Beghe, the actor who left Scientology and made a stink about it

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Here’s a screenshot of Jason Beghe from Alex Gibney’s film Going Clear, which airs on HBO in nine more days, on March 29.

Beghe is one of eight former members of the Church of Scientology who make up the main subjects of Gibney’s film. Our longtime readers know that we’ve been writing about Jason for a long time, since he made his very visible protest against Scientology in 2008, having left the organization a few months earlier.

In the movie, there’s a reference to the full two-hour 2008 video of Jason Beghe that Mark Bunker filmed and put on YouTube. But actually, what happened was that Bunker first posted a three or four minute teaser that, on its own, went viral. The next day, we got a call from Tory Christman.

We hadn’t heard from Tory in years, but we both still remembered fondly the time we spent putting together a story about her defection from Scientology which came out in 2001. She asked if we had seen the Beghe video, and explained that she had had a hand in it, and that a longer version was coming. And then she asked the question: “How would you like the first press interview with Jason?”

Oh, you bet. And even better: After talking to Beghe and getting to know him for that initial story, he told us he’d be coming to New York to tape a segment for 20/20 about Scientology, and we made plans to get together.

Like yesterday, we remember meeting him at the Blue Water Grill at Union Square while he told us what it was like to be quizzed for a couple of hours on camera by Elizabeth Vargas. He said it was comprehensive and explosive. He was amped.

And none of it aired.

It wouldn’t be the last time 20/20 got great material on Scientology that it then canned rather than air. But ABC’s indecision wasn’t going to slow Beghe down. After we talked for hours, he said he was heading down to DC the next day to see his parents, and he asked if we wanted to come along and talk more. We sure did. We spent the next day on the train, talking even more about what he’d been through as a celebrity in Scientology. And now, he wanted to find out what had happened to other people who had left. After visiting his parents, he then went on a cross-country trip, checking in with some legendary names in Scientology, people who had defected or been expelled, and learning what had happened to them. He knew that Marty Rathbun had left several years earlier, and no one seemed to know where he was. And we had just heard at that time that Mike Rinder, the former church spokesman, had also “blown.”

Beghe became determined to track them all down to find out what seemed to be driving away former high-ranking members. And, as Going Clear indicates, Beghe was one of the first people to track down Marty Rathbun, along with Amy Scobee and Mat Pesch, and started talking to Rathbun about re-emerging and doing something about Scientology’s internal turmoil.

We think it’s no accident that the epic St. Petersburg Times series came out just a year later, after Beghe had crossed the country to get former Scientologists motivated to talk publicly about what was going on. We don’t know that Beghe has ever received proper credit for how much things have changed in the last six years because he made that effort.

And he paid a steep price. Beghe was subjected to a harsh “Fair Game” campaign by Scientology, one that threatened his livelihood, and worse. Eventually, he managed to extricate himself from the legal part of that nightmare, and gradually, his career began to pick up steam. He became a recurring character on Californication, the series that starred his great childhood friend, David Duchovny. And then Dick Wolf made Beghe a key part of his major NBC series, Chicago Fire, which led to a spinoff centered around Beghe’s character, Chicago PD.

Now, he’s a major part of Going Clear, and certainly one of the most memorable. His descriptions of what it’s like to suffer through Scientology processing that he didn’t want is hilarious and troubling at the same time.

Let us know what you think about Jason’s parts in the movie, and how it fit into the narrative that Alex Gibney constructs in his film.

 
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Hollywood Arclight getting some late enturbulation

A tipster passed on to us a couple of communications from someone who works in the massive call center that handles calls for the Hollywood Arclight theater.

Alex Gibney’s documentary ‘Going Clear’ opened at the theater a week ago, but it’s apparently only in the last few days that an onslaught of calls have come in from locals who claim that they’re outraged about the theater showing the movie, and threaten to boycott the Arclight because of it.

This is classic Scientology behavior. Too late for it to have any real effect, someone at the church noticed what was going on and an “all hands on deck” order was put out to get people making calls. It’s so Scientology.

Then, yesterday, our tipster received this text message from their friend at the call center:

Ohhh My God. I’m in call center at Arclight and on the caller ID “Church of Scientology” shows up. And I answer and the woman is asking to speak with one of our administrators who helps decide which movies we show at arclight. And I was like no one is in right now, can I help you with something? And she said “it’s… About… An… Issue… We have. With arclight. I’m not going to say anything else.” Super mean. And eventually I just told her to email our management team. It’s scary because she’s clearly trying to get us to stop showing that movie Just like the movie says.. If someone speaks out against their religion they attack that person or group and that’s what they r trying to do to this guy at arclight! Scary as fuck!!!

Classic.

Going Clear begins its second weekend at the Arclight tonight, extending past the time required for Oscar consideration. You still have time to see it on the big screen before it airs on HBO on March 29.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 20, 2015 at 07:00

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    • Robert Eckert
      • Pierrot

        Yes, shame, Richard and Barbara are trying to make a few bugs to survive. It seems that the Brunswick mission does can not pay their salary. I will leave them there but highlight as a curiosity.
        Thanks for pointing them out.

        • Juicer77

          Someone with 200 cookbooks seems to have a real interest in collecting and/or cooking. Sad to see that interest sacrificed on the altar of COB.

      • Pierrot

        I remember them trying home made candles and soap. They must be really struggling, but they are still stucked in!

    • Juicer77

      Always wondered why bosoms are considered impervious to weapons? 😉 ETA: and I have them, so I would like to be getting maximum benefit.

      • Pierrot

        a distraction maybe 🙂

      • Scream Nevermore

        They’re certainly not impervious to kitty claws, and I have the scratches to prove it!

        • Juicer77

          Tell me! Looks like we’re into some weird stuff in the boudoir! LOL

  • BabySmurfette

    Oh how I wish Matt Lauer had been the one to interview Marty.

    • Robert Eckert

      Marty would just have been glib.

  • Science Doc

    Johnny Tank isn’t around much recently, but does anyone else have data on how the Bunker has been trending during the roll out of Going Clear?

    • Illinoisian

      I haven’t been keeping track of the Alexa ranks in a very systematic way, but I do have the figures from about a month ago. Here is the basic figures from February 18 and from today (lower numbers are better):

      2/18
      tonyortega.org
      Global rank 106,825
      Rank in United States 24,608

      scientology.org
      Global rank 123,906
      Rank in United States 30,998

      3/20
      tonyortega.org
      Global rank 92,941
      Rank in United States 22,894

      scientology.org
      Global rank 115,484
      Rank in United States 40,107

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Tony’s US rank has improved and scientology’s has gotten worse!

        • Illinoisian

          It looks like scientology’s global rank has improved, while its US rank has taken a dive. I don’t understand that, but I don’t understand how these rankings are done.

          If you go to the ranking page for the Bunker, you can look at Alexa’s statement on how the rankings are done. Go to the right side and a bit down from the top and click on “This sites metrics are estimated” (the scientology site has the same statement). Click on the statement and read. After I read this, I wondered how much weight should be given to the changes. Daily changes, even weekly changes, may not mean all that much. The figures above show the change over a month and they probably show a real trend.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Thank you, these are always interesting.

          • i-Betty

            Indian click factories, maybe?

            • Illinoisian

              Oh, I think you’re onto something. Went back and looked at the “where do their visitors come from” section. Here are the numbers with those sections added, and it seems that, since a month ago, they are buying big in India.

              2/18
              tonyortega.org
              Global rank 106,825
              Rank in United States 24,608

              Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
              United States 66.3% 24,608
              Australia 11.9% 12,959
              United Kingdom 6.6% 36,675
              Switzerland 5.9% 7,589
              Germany 4.2% 57,910

              scientology.org
              Global rank 123,906
              Rank in United States 30,998

              Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
              United States 58.8% 30,998
              United Kingdom 4.2% 69,543

              3/20
              tonyortega.org
              Global rank 92,941
              Rank in United States 22,894

              Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
              United States 70.7% 22,894
              Switzerland 12.0% 3,419
              Australia 7.5% 17,304
              Germany 6.9% 38,570

              scientology.org
              Global rank 115,484
              Rank in United States 40,107

              Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
              United States 54.3% 40,107
              India 17.9% 71,806
              Italy 4.8% 59,709

            • i-Betty

              That’s fascinating. Really well found, thank you! They are so sad.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn) had some comments a few days ago, I was glad to see him.

      Anyway here is some current info.

  • Observer

    NVM, there’s a link to Freedumb in there. I’ll just do a screenshot.

  • BraveBloggers

    On the vein of celebrities in COS, will this mean any scientology celebrities will not work for HBO now? In a boycott type deal? Because I wonder about the up and comers (be they actors, screen writers, musicians etc.,) that seem to gather in COS. Assuming one gets a crack at a great HBO series…do people in the know here think COS advises them against taking the job, if COS knows about it? As a WOG I have no clue a how they would react to this as there is the dichotomy of their faith being attacked versus a paycheck and the opportunity for greater fame (which ultimately could go into certain pockets and potentially help further a cause). What do y’all think?

    • Simi Valley

      I hope that any clam actors will be wise enough to go for the work and forget about the cult. Back in the day when I worked for law firms in LA, we culties had this issue to deal with … some would not work for a law firm known to have litigated against the cherch.

      • BraveBloggers

        My perspective is very limited but I would think COS is caught in a right hairy position on this one. If they don’t take the work it impedes the persons pocket and potential celebrity, thereby impacting COS’s pocket and chance to have another person whose name could be a household name through the HBO conduit. And helps spread their position. If the job IS taken the member could have greater access to something someone clearly doesn’t want them to see and may be the impetus for that person to walk. I’m not knowledgable enough to say one way or the other, but i find it interesting.

        • Beth

          It seems there aren’t many real full blown celebrities left in CoS and in the next weeks and months there will be even fewer.

          The degree of public awareness is ramping up every day – Going Clear will surely take the whole thing into new territory fast. Now that the dots are being connected, the general public will start to have the same YUCK gut reaction to all things scientology – because of the facts. The CoS won’t be able to keep up with the shear numbers of naysayers, so intimidation will no longer be such a big factor.

          IMO that’s why the Tom Cruise angle is such a good one to pursue in the attempt to bring the church to justice. His narcissism is his most crippling feature, and he will not be able to handle it when the general public knows what he’s really been up to. He may be pretty easy to “flip” once he gets even the slightest hint of unfiltered public derision. Imagine all that dramatic zeal thrown into a 180 degree turnaround.

          I was thinking it would be interesting to see some math on the subject. i.e. I bet Tom Cruise earns more in one hour on a movie set than a generic “devoted scientologist” makes in a lifetime. That’s some powerful math. And he would justify it by saying what? That they are lesser beings and don’t deserve a decent wage? That he didn’t know? And the GC movie – maybe with more subtlety than some would like – does suggest these kind of juxtaposed facts. For example – a baby in a urine soaked crib in a CoS “nursery” while her parent works endless hours for pennies vs. Tom Cruise’s airplane hangar and “tricked out” limousine. Yuck.

          As Marty said on NBC today, “Blackmail is no longer powerful when the truth is told” . He said that in a slightly different context, but it still fits.

          • sumertin

            No, Tom won’t “flip.”
            He can’t even pull the “I still believe in LRH technology but there may be problems with church management,” because he is so close to DM.

            I think Tom is in some serious trouble. I’m sure he’s got some professional PR people working ’round the clock on this for him but I’m not sure what his options are at this point.

    • Juicer77

      Paycheck over religion every time, especially for the 2nd and 3rd gens who don’t seem to adhere to the faith as closely, except to show up and look purty for events and spout the party line. Also, insiders in showbiz (which I assuredly am not) seem to think HBO is a heavy-hitter with a lot of clout to make or break careers. They have produced extremely successful and widely popular series that actors and production folks would be FOOLS to walk away from having a credit on.

      • BraveBloggers

        Well that says something to me. Paycheck over beliefs. You can’t pay for services with beliefs I guess. /snark

        • Juicer77

          You most certainly cannot, in that broken vending machine they call a “religion.” 🙂

    • One Human

      HBO = Time Warner = good f’ing luck!
      Waiting for ‘I’m a Scientology Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here!’

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      HBO was airing two Tom Cruise movies recently, I doubt any celebrity gets the right to prevent any Time Warner outlet from airing their movies.

      • BraveBloggers

        No, I meant a new job opportunity with the channel. Example: unknown COS celebrity wannabe gets offer to star in HBO’s new series (series name here); does COS encourage/discourage them from taking the job? Obviously if they’ve already agreed to star in a HBO product or a film which may eventually be shown on HBO- it’s a moot point. I’m more interested regarding if potential new employees of HBO, who are COS members, will be advised to avoid doing business with them. As a WOG I’m not sure, but would the church say HBO is supporting suppressive acts? And if so, could there be advice given not to participate in the project from jump street?

  • Scream Nevermore

    This just popped up on my Twitter feed – priceless! Poor Meghan. https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/scientologys-indiegogo-campaing-raises-no-money-whatsoever/

    • NOLAGirl

      Looks like her Dad will have to a write a check for the whole thing. 🙂

    • BraveBloggers

      I recently donated Money to a Girl Scout troop operating out of a homeless shelter. When you compare the two requests for cash…mind boggling. Help aid girls who have no home and want to do arts, crafts, have an after school snack and a chance at GS scholarships. Geez, I hope I picked correctly….Heavily Infused with Sarcasm.

    • chukicita

      WOW! This: “Free “Sponsor a School” events – your company logo at 1 drug education
      event that we do at schools in NYC prior to event for your use in social
      media, newsletters, etc. Includes photographer and receipt of
      photographs.”

      I don’t know about NYC but in Florida this would be potentially illegal for several reasons – you can’t just trot a company logo into a school without going through proper school board channels; and you can’t provide a marketing service in exchange for a donation that you expect to write off on your taxes.

      • Juicer77

        That’s an excellent point!

        • One Human

          Seconded!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s just Meg. She trots out trophy women in their faded Miss ________ gowns and corroded crowns in hopes they will deflect what she is all about. She’s now down to $0 in her efforts. Hopefully, the IRS is still “too busy” to notice what she’s up to. Hmmm

    • SkyBill40

      Priceless. Simply priceless. Hooray for sharper minds and tight wallets.

  • Tony Ortega

    Hollywood Arclight update added to the post

    • Juicer77

      (F5) Futility: when the stupid just doesn’t stop

      • NOLAGirl

        Right? I am sure the Arclight is quaking with worry over a Co$ boycott. *laughcry*

        • Ben Franklin

          Co$ members don’t even get enough time to go to theaters anyway, thus, it is just an empty threat

          • BosonStark

            But do they even know Tom Cruise is in it? The Sea Org members should be allowed to go three times. They don’t get TV or HBO.

            • Juicer77

              Yeah, they had to watch his “only a $camatologist can help” speech multiple times in a row! They should be required to see this one too. 🙂

    • Science Doc

      So they waited until it got extended to a second week and then they acted foolishly. This is going to be much worse than they can imagine.

  • Observer

    Here’s what my earlier cryptic post was about. I don’t think this is the kind of response they were going for.

    EDIT: There are two separate images.

    refresh

    • SNAFU

      Hilarious. If tiny fists hasn’t figured out how the Streisand effect works by now then he never will.

      • Sarah James

        Some might say David Miscavige is a lost cause.

        • SNAFU

          And his own worst enemy.

      • One Human

        But these stats are straight up & vertical, 47x!

      • Anonymous

        The events resulting in the “Streisand effect” meme occurred after Hubbard died, thus they are not part of the PR “tech” of Scientology, thus they can not exist, thus there is no “handling.”

        That’s what happens when you are a science-fiction cult that has been around long enough for the science-fiction part to seem like ancient history. No learning of anything new is possible.

        Scientology is Hubbard’s fake wisdom of the ages, used to sell people their own eternity.

        • ComeToPresentTime

          Davey has changed up so much “tech” it’s hilarious, “Golden Age Of Tech” and other initiatives whose gobbledygook names escape me. But yeah to any rational person, they have to find it just a tad ridiculous that supposedly per LRH, Scientology always has to be “on Source” which means that only LRH could ever change policies and now he’s been dead since 86, so the whole thing is supposedly set in stone and is supposed to stay frozen like that for the next krillion years or so. They have to see the disconnect between LRH’s description of psychiatry, which was even ridiculous back in the 60s but even more out there and antiquated now and the reality. Ever since I was young and certain people in my life would tell me that psychiatry is still all about shock therapy, lobotomies, and assorted horrors, I always looked at them like they were crazy and still living in the 1950s. I didn’t understand why they were living in said era in many aspects of their world view until much later in life.

          • Brian C. Bock

            What if LRH’s Thetan came back from the other gal-LAX-eee and has attached itself to Slappy Miss Cabbage. And now he’s granted him new powers like prophecy and change. See, this is Miss Cabbage’s problem (well one) … no imagination.

    • Juicer77

      Whoa. People are getting clued in, fast. This is terrific. Keep up the good work, Co$!

    • What was in the original post. Omg. It must have been horrific. I’m so glad that people are catching on.

      • Observer

        Mike Rinder addressed it in one of his recent blogs. It probably won’t take you long to figure it out. I just don’t want to post it here.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      David Miscavige, you are SO smart! And tall, too.

    • Mymy88

      Ahhh, yes indeed. These are the golden days I’ve been wanting to see. It’s so lovely to see the tidal wave of UNPOPULARITY hit $cien right in the face, over and over and over… Supremely sublime.

  • cdub

    arclight hah. wait til every hbo customer in the country starts getting harassed for watching it!

    • NOLAGirl

      Thank you. Tweet inspiration. 🙂

  • nottrue

    Live shot from Aruba…Wishful thinking….

    • Mark

      That’s the US Coast Guard Cutter ‘Bertholf’, which deals with “maritime security”. (Fingers crossed they also cover excise and tax-evasion matters overseas).

      • Ben Franklin

        No wonder when the Coast Guard ‘Bertholf’ is there on dock in Aruba, the Freewinds is nowhere to be seen

        • Mark

          Er, what’s that just behind the ‘Bertholf’ in the picture, Ben? What I’d love to know is how many times the ‘Fartbags’ Cap’n Mike Napier has had to change his normally immaculate whites since the other ship arrived…

          • Ben Franklin

            Good eyes Mark. Didn’t notice anything back there, looked like one ship to me. Out there can’t the US Guard just board the Freewinds if they wanted to since it is not registered as a US Vessel?

            • A Panamanian ship boarded by the US Coast Guard in a Dutch harbor? I doubt that’ll happen.

            • Ben Franklin

              Yes, A Panamanian ship in a Dutch harbor with some American citizens on board. Just saying that if they really wanted to board the ship, no one can stop them.

            • Ben Franklin

              Scientology probably owns them. Won’t surprise me if they already infiltrated that force long time ago.

            • In a Dutch port, they’re just a bunch of guys on a ship with no rights to search anyone, outside their jurisdiction. Unless they have a warrant from a Dutch court, or some really weird treaty rights, they could be arrested for that.

              Imagine if a visiting Russian navy ship decided to board a Liberian-flagged ship in Boston harbor because they thought some Russians were on board. I don’t think so!

            • Ben Franklin

              Russia and US, that’s a whole different case. I don’t see US allowing Russia to board any ship in US Jurisdiction under any circumstances, unless if it was a Russian ship and vise versa. What I was saying is that if it was a situation where US needed to board the ship, nothing, not even the Aruba or the Dutch would stop them. Of course I am talking about an extreme scenario, where US national security is affected, they may just ask for permission as a courtesy but no one in Aruba would physically be able to stop them from boarding the ship, if US was determined to board.

            • How exactly is it a different case?

  • Science Doc

    The Scientologists might as well just go to the movie. They’re going to have to watch eventually at the implant station on Mars when they get the Gibney Implant.

  • For anyone who has seen the movie, this song is appropriate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3hTW9e20d8&list=PLuKw1kFysqn1C2XRtXxuDMK1ZxBrqPNE-&index=25

    • Observer

      I haven’t seen the movie, but I agree.

  • BeezleBobby

    It just occurred to me – I’m sure I’m not the first – what will Tom C and other celeb scinos do if Going Clear is nominated for Best Documentary? Boycott the Oscars?

    • Observer

      I sure hope we get to find out!

      • SNAFU

        It’s probably safe to say popcorn sales would go through the roof.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Jorm Revolva will present the Oscar for Best Documentary at the 2016 Oscars:

      • Juicer77

        XD Oh please oh please oh please

      • Kim O’Brien

        once again ..i feel the need to wax ..EVERYTHING

      • shasha40

        Pan , I don’t know how , but you’ be outdone yourself with this one ! Bwahahahah !

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Crackin’ me up.

      • i-Betty

        I’ve eaten far too much pudding to be laughing this hard. My stays are about to bust 😀

      • Allie

        Bwahahahahaha!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Followed by an epic face-clutching…

  • Juicer77

    FYI: Verizon Fios is offering HBO as a standalone channel for $9.99 per month, 50% off the regular price. It includes HBO GO for pocket devices. Easy peasy to sign up online, they just add it to your bill. Also packages that include other channels are available at discounted rates. I signed up for HBO only in the hopes that they will notice the bump in subscriptions just before March 29.

  • God
  • LeahRocks

    I have HBO, but it would sure be more fun to watch with other Bunkerites. Is there anything planned in the Tampa/Clearwater area?

  • Steve Bazemore

    Ugg any chance someone can repost the Marty Rathbun video? Every time I get close I switch briefly to a tab I just opened thinking it might be it, and come back and this page has reloaded and I have to start all over, and when I started it this morning on my laptop, my laptop died in the middle of it. Thanks

    • Steve Bazemore

      Please?:)

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Dude, it’s been posted several times already today. It’s not that tough to find and watch. Are you trolling or what?

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        sorry i dont know how to post links,but you can google it. i did and ended up finding others i have never seen before. good luck 🙂

      • Ex-Christian Scientist
  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I just absolutely Love Jason Beghe. Thanks Tony for more interesting info about when you met.

  • Kim O’Brien

    I just started a new job ( thank goddess ) and just a few min’s ago i was in the break room . Ladies were chatting about what they were going to do this weekend . One of them said …” man , HBO is coming out with a great movie about scientology at the end of the month” ..i jumped in the convo …told them about the Bunker . The other lady said that she reads it all the time . I introduced myself ..” Hi , nice to meet you , I am the new corporate recruiter ..Kim O’Brien ” . HOLY SHITBALLS …she asked me if i was the same Kim O’Brien who comments here ..then she gave me a high five !!

    Finally …i’m famous

    • God

      yes you are !

      • Kim O’Brien

        took you long enough to grant my wish God ..jeez

        • God

          I work in insidious ways

    • NOLAGirl

      I want backstage passes when you go on tour. 🙂

      • shasha40

        Me too ! “Kim and the water cooler crew “, schooling the wog world on CoS and the teeny one . Go , Kim ! ( and crew !) 😀

        • God

          She cute

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Cat Daddy!!!……….Put yer pants back on 😉

        • NOLAGirl

          We’re no fools. The Kim O’Brien tour will have the fire backstage parties! 😀

          • Kim O’Brien

            oh yes NOLA ..a thousand times yes

          • shasha40

            Heck yeah ! Par-tay , par-tay ! Whoop, whoop ! 😀

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Remember to tip the roadies well, Kim. Trust me on this.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      THAT, is really neat, go Kim!

    • Jgg2012

      Remember when Judge Waldrip’s decision to depose Davey was appealed to the circuit court, and the panel of judges couldn’t pronounce his name? He isn’t famous–or no more famous than you are.

      • Kim O’Brien

        yeah ..but i got a high five . .He would probably get a kick in the nut sack

        • God

          You fiesty

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Yeah but you don’t have a “hospital for the criminally insane” named after you!
          (Only time ABC grew a pair btw!!!)

          Yet…
          😉

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I cannot stop smiling about this.

    • shasha40

      The entheta is spreading in the wog world . Yay ! 🙂

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      HOly crap! that’s scary awesome, Kim. Buy that lady a tall one!

    • i-Betty

      You can keep your boring, common or garden, standard ‘fame’. THIS is the kind of fame you really want! Please tell your colleague hello from us!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      OMG………..that is freaking hilarious. And also kind of frightening.

    • Allie

      Cool lady, esp. with the high five! You should have great convos after the HBO showing. Woo hoo.
      You go, girl!

    • generic sock account

      One time a hobo asked me if I’m that guy who bums out cigarettes. Kinda the same thing.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s fantastic. Good work. Being famous in the break room is a hell of a lot better than being famous in $cientology, or the Hole.

      I believe that Scientology has no idea how much bad will they have generated among the public over the last half-century. They’re deluded enough that they don’t have a store of good works or feelings they can tap to help everyone join so we can all go “up the bridge.”

      The clams have been chanting and saying things about the chult that consist of “fair winds and blue skies” for so long, they actually believe it themselves, and their supercilious attitude really turns people off.

      Your break room is, I believe, a microcosm of the rest of the country. People have been annoyed at $cientology for a long time, but when they really look into it further, like you have,or even just watch the movie, they are really gonna be PISSED.

      The fight the chult started with Anonymous united one specialized group against them, and it spilled over into the general public, but it also made the disparate individuals in Anonymous realize that there were far more of them that were previously thought. When Co$ fought back, it enraged even more of the people who hung out with Anonymous. It also led to the widespread dissemination of $cientology’s shit on the internet.

      It’s starting to look like Going Clear will be another huge event that will touch many more people who aren’t computer geeks, and since there’s so much bad will out there, there isn’t a hole deep enough for $cientology to crawl into.

      Going Clear calls out Cruise, Travolta, and Miscavige, among others. At least there’s a store of people who still have adolescent fantasies about Cruise and Travolta who will defend him. Miscavige? None. He’s especially fucked

  • Spackle Motion

    Interesting tidbit about the Arclight. Strangeness abound.

    I actually had my picture taken in the Arclight theater by some dour looking women frantically snapping and texting after the movie ended. My picture was taken because I sat next to AGP and Smurf. I’m sure that picture will surface somewhere.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Blame smurf!

    • Missionary Kid

      Too bad you didn’t take a picture of her. 😀

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Wow, calling Arclight… They are just don’t know the foot bullets they give. Bwaaaaaaa. Another person enlightened to the dark ways of this cult.

    • God

      you cute

    • Panopea Abrupta

      • Allie

        Another treasure from Pan! Love it.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The church’s actions are becoming increasingly surreal, and divorced from reality. The growing buzz surrounding Going Clear should be alerting the church that its actions are under increasing scrutiny, yet some church members, probably under orders from Miscavige, don’t seem to get that. It was bizarre to make a quasi threatening call to the Arclite movie theater a week after the film has been aired there and in three cities. This kind of scattershot response to the film seems to be all the response the church is capable of. The Karen Pouw and Deixler letters to HBO and Gibney have been, and are, ineffectual with Pouw’s letters bordering on the bizarre.

    In the late 80s and early 90s, Miscavige had parishoners file huge numbers of lawsuits against the IRS- several sources say the number reached 2000. He clearly mobilized the members on the issue of taxation. On the eve of HBO airing an expose of his church that will reach potentially 40 million, he isn’t mobilizing members to do anything but give money and more money to build empty, glossy buildings. Why hasn’t he briefed them on Going Clear and mobilized them into “defending” him and the church? The only logical reason is he is terrified that if he tries to mobilize them, he will stupendously and publicly fail (and he would).

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      He has alerted them though. Yes, he will use it to accommodate those who simply must give away their cash each and every month. But he has his flock very worried and anxious, some sound terrified. They know something very, very big is coming their way and that this isn’t just some other bad news blip on their screen. When the shit really hits the fan, there’s going to be some very panicked people. They already see the lights being turned off on any rooms not occupied, that customers are gone and those who are there are there because they were coerced or frankly, become mentally unstable.

      In light of where things sit now, what they actually see in front of their noses every single day, I don’t know what’s going to happen, how they will react. I just hope that they tell DM to go to hell and call home for comfort – and answers. This is scientology’s 911. In truth, I expect this will be when the coward runs.

      • Allie

        I’m surprised that the flock has so much info about the documentary as you say, THDNE. I thought they were all so skillfully kept in the dark about entheta such as this.
        While there is crumbling in the CoS facade, it’s hard for me to hear about the minions being terrified. Such a tragedy for intelligent and well-meaning people. When people get manic & crazy about something, they do dreadful over-the-top things and that’s worrisome–for their safety.

        There don’t seem like too many options left for Davey. He’s tried numerous letters and threats, fair game stalking and smear campaigns, calling the theatre, buying up tickets, TV ads, newspaper articles. Short of protesting, what’s left for a diktator to do? That’s what is worrisome. You know he can’t just calmly sit and wait for the fall-out. He’s got to do something drastic, it seems. Now, now, now–it’s urgent for him to get the upper hand (or foot as he has so ably done in the past).

      • sumertin

        THDNE, I think you’re too focused on DM. I’m sure he’s panicked, but I’m also sure that he personally can ride this out.
        The person who should be absolutely terrified is Tom Cruise. It will become impossible for Tom to promote a film without being confronted – by everyone. DM can weather this storm. I’m not so sure TC can.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Thank you for your insight THDNE. Do you have any intell on how Farrakhan and the NOI are responding to “Going Clear”? Farrakhan doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who will stick around to defend Miscavige. I also wonder how the faction of the NOI that opposed Farrakhan’s deal with Scientology will use the fallout from Going Clear.

  • God

    There is a tipping point, and it is very close

  • Kim O’Brien

    Beghe + Sarong = happy happy joy joy

    • God

      Oh you

      • Kim O’Brien

        Dear God ..i fucking love you for this . Amen

        • God

          You are absoleved my child

          • Kim O’Brien

            wait til i commit the sin first ..can’t do THAT in the break room 😉 LOL

            • God

              Your sins are another persons virtues

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Dear God, would you happen to know anything about this? Are you a rapper too? Is this your CD?(F5)

        • God

          No I justed winged it to be honest.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I saw this at a store the other day and lost it. Too funny.

    • God
      • And here I didn’t think I could like him any more than I already did. I really need cable . . .

      • Spackle Motion

        Would it be funnier for you if you knew that this episode was filmed in Tom Cruise’s old house? Because it was filmed in Cruise’s former abode.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          It is definitely funnier for me!

  • KNMF

    haranguing innocent movie theater employees.

    total scilon move

  • Observer

    Working on another Where’s Captain Miscavige for tomorrow. I may be arrested for having too much fun deciding where to put him. heh heh heh

    • God
    • NOLAGirl

      Can’t wait Obs. Know that your bail money is set aside, just in case. hehehehe!!

    • KNMF

      how about under that monty python shoe in their intro

      • Observer

        Shoopz did that earlier today, and a fine job it was, too!

        • KNMF

          Y’all are always many steps ahead of me thank god.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Where is everybody: All Hands on Deck Orders. Told ‘ya – that’s where they’ve been, on some All Hands Project. Call center – yep. And next week, as I mentioned, you will next hear about a “Call To Arms”. Although what I can’t predict at this venture is just how crazed it is going to be this time – Miscavige hasn’t read much history about what happens when you drive people to Fanatic Land when you release those hounds. tick.

    • Juicer77

      Tock!

    • KNMF

      Most people love witnessing Scientology spaz out, up close. The chunch does these kind of carpet-bomb attacks but have no idea they’re handing out free treats in the form of tasty anecdotes.
      Don’t say Scientology doesn’t give away free stuff.

      • shasha40

        Ask Alex Gibney , all this Free publicity money could never buy . Oh , and the foot bullets ! 😀

        • Missionary Kid

          Alex did complain that $cientology didn’t go far enough and give out show times. Otherwise, their publicity has been just great for Going Clear.

          • shasha40

            Yeah, they should just go ahead and give out the showtimes . They were a little slow on their response to the opening in theaters . 😀

            • Missionary Kid

              Snortle! I hope that there are a bunch of motions that need to be filed by $cientology at the same time. DM doesn’t handle pressure very well, does he?
              I’m going to add “One more fuckup” to the DM list when I get it going again.

            • shasha40

              Wonderful addition for the teeny one ! hee hee

      • ze moo

        I think that fear of all the resulting youtube videos is all that is preventing a the ‘million clam march’ on HBO West offices. That and finding 990k ‘extras’ to make up the march.

        • Mymy88

          hahahahahahahahaha

        • Missionary Kid

          They’ll still be orders of magnitude short of the number they say they can get.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        They are digging their way down, that’s for sure. The pubic who never knew anything about it, or just thought Tom Cruise’s wacky cult are getting a personal in-your-face taste. Deliciousness.

        • Observer

          “The pubic who never knew anything about it …” would be Kirstie Alley, right? She seems to think with that area a lot.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Hahaha. That’s right!

        • Missionary Kid

          To modify an old phrase, I’d say they’re digging so deep that their next stop is China.

    • NOLAGirl

      When the best they can come up with is hysterical 13 year old girl letters from Karin Pouw and bothering the staff at the Arclight with stupid phone calls, even the asylum staff are patients now.

      • Missionary Kid

        I hope they demonstrate at Arclight or HBO. They’ve made so many enemies in Hollywood, there are people who would love to walk past their picket lines.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          It’s going to get crazier. A Call To Arms from Miscavige will be Just the trigger for those still in. I wish I could afford to rent vans or buses to drive back and forth on Fort Harrison and Berendo, I mean L Ron Hubbard Way and Hollywood Blvd and a few of the whales’ orgs – a big sign, and a loud speaker all saying “You’re Going To Be Okay. Call Somebody Who Loves You”. I think they might really call this time.

          • Juicer77

            They’ve got to be climbing the walls at this point. If only to get away from the relentless schedules, which were brutal enough before. Can’t imagine how horrific they are right now.

          • Missionary Kid

            Does a Call To Arms also give information to the sea org members? I’m assuming that they don’t even know that Going Clear exists at this time. The siege mentality will sure take over, and, with Davy’s penchant for shooting off his mouth as well as his foot, instead of being quiet, it’s gonna be a Keystone Kops episode.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              They do know there’s a film called Going Clear – and it’s all entheta and SP’s are in it. They seem to have been told that their “might” be some backlash. They are Not going to be prepared for what is going to hit them. This is for certain. But I think starting this weekend the emergency Call to Arms will begin and get those still active, anyway, all fired and flamed and frightened. The condition these orgs sound like they are in from all reports, this is going to blow the house down around them. That’s why I’ve been wondering how to make sure they get a message. In honor of Jason Beghe Day:

              http://i.imgur.com/XkUWNui.jpg?1

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’ll swing by the Orlando Org to see if anything is going on. Maybe we’ll get papered-over window tech like last time.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              They might not be able to afford the window paper after next week!

        • To anyone who had already decided to see the movie, a picket would be added entertainment. And if they get in the way, the police should warn them then arrest them.

      • All of the Sea Org cancelling their HBO subscriptions and boycotting the Arclight is sure to have a massive effect!

        • edge

          Well since they’re copping Pirate Bay’s logo for their “Freedom, Media, and Ethics” campaign on Twitter I say they call their Scientology Media Productions (affectionately called “SUMP”) channel HBO for “Hubbard Broadcasting Org” or perhaps “Hubbard Bullshit Orifice”. How much you want to bet subscription is mandatory for all Scis?

          • Rasha

            Mandatory 2 subscriptions.

        • aegerprimo

          Yeah, especially when Sea Orgers don’t even watch TV, nor do they have the cash or time to go to a movie. LOL. They must get the eleventy million public scientologists to cancel their HBO subscriptions and boycott all theaters showing Going Clear.
          Heh heh.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I still have a bad feeling about all of this.
      I mean I am thrilled the (metaphorical) ship is doing a nose dive…but I am definitely disturbed by the frightened siege mentality that is building to the bursting point.
      That Dianetic’s volcano keeps haunting my thoughts.
      I just hope no one (anywhere) ends up in any physical confrontations or danger.
      Absolute faith does very frightening things to the human psyche.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Me too. I mean, these people have been isolated, even the public, for some time and I think the Sunday Funnies and videos speak for themselves. Absolute bankruptcy and absolute 24/7 pressure – these aren’t exactly stable sheep in the herd. Miscavige coming unglued – my best hope, and it’s just a hope, is that most just tell him to F off and walk out.

        • May_West

          Is a “Call to Arms” an official church policy requiring a specific response?

          • splog

            Official church policy? No.

            But it’s promoted as “command intention” aka “ignore at your peril”. The clams will be expected to arrive. Whether they actually do – we’ll have to wait and see 🙂

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            There was an FO or Advice some decades ago, sorry, Flag Order, it’s a type of issue but for Sea Org only. I have to guess that Miscavige has since made it one of “his” official policy directives now, but it’s kind of old news, moot. But it has been used whenever there’s a real major PR crisis. The only downside is that for a brief moment, maybe only weeks in the condition they’re in now, they will feel that rah rah rally against the might enemy espirit de corps at first. There’s going to be a few crazies that who will flip out and we may never hear about it. All depends on when Miscavige flips. Then who knows.

  • ze moo

    I am not surprised that the clampire is now complaining about ‘Going Clear’. The whole thing is an exercise in keeping the ‘us verses them’ mentality strong in the minions. Not that any protest is going to do anything. The time to make Arclight turn away ‘Going Clear’ has long past. An ‘all hands operation’ like this is just to prepare all the clams for more sec checks. Sec checks are probably the best profit center in the clampire these days.

    There is a great testimony from David Braverman at Rinders blog. Excellent testimony about the current state (2012-13 in Philadelphia) of $cientology.

    Remember to vote for cute puppies and kittens and wounded warriors in Tampa. If you want to, this is not a ‘all hands’ kind of thing. We have free will……cute puppies and kittens……..cute kittens and puppies…….

    http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa

    • Betsy

      Moo…are you saying that just because you are a cow? :0 I voted for the kittehs!

  • Liam

    Beghe is fucking awesome!

    • MaxSpaceman

      The term in Old Hollywood, for Jason: He’s a Lady’s man. And a Man’s man.

      • i-Betty

        I love that 🙂

        • MaxSpaceman

          It started with (nicknamed) The King, Clark Gable. 🙂

      • Liam

        Good point Max. He’s a man’s man. Not afeared of doing a mangina (Californication reference)

  • outraged

    Casually asked my officemate at my uni job if he heard about HBO’s Going Clear.
    “I cannot wait to see that! It looks fascinating.”

    Yes! I was stunned but I don’t know why. This movie has everything – courtroom drama, murder, kidnapping, torture, religion and stalking.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
  • MaxSpaceman

    The number is nine. Until ‘Going Clear’ is seen by millions.

    Sung to: “In The Airt Tonight,” Phil Collins.

    I can feel it, enturbulate the air tonight, oh Wogs
    And I’ve been waiting for this moment, ten thousand nights, oh Wogs
    Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Wogs, oh Wogs.

    If a Scilon said they were drowning
    I would lend a hand, my friend
    I would lift them up, and help them out
    I’d do anything I can
    But, they’ve been hypnotized and don’t know it
    I’ve learned that, from so many Sci’s
    The ‘whole track’ ain’t true
    Their thetan is screwed
    The Long Con of Ron is a Lie

    Ooo I can feel it, enturbulate the air tonight, oh Wogs
    And I’ve been waiting for this moment, ten thousand nights, oh Wogs
    Can you feel it coming in the air tonight, oh Wogs, oh Wogs.

    • shasha40

      I will never hear that song the same again , I will be singing your cool words . Bravo !

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      cool applause!

    • i-Betty

      I am holding my lighter aloft and swaying!

    • Miscavige’s playlist has AC/DC: Dirty Deeds – Done To Sheep.

      • Spackle Motion

        Got a guffaw outa me on that one.

        • Listen to the song now, and you’ll hear those words. “Dirty deeds and they’re done to sheep”

  • nottrue

    Hollywood Interrupted Scientology Archives from May 7 2006….

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh, come on. I want confirmation!

      • Juicer77

        I raise my skeptical eyebrow as well. We shall see.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          But it would be another tasty morsel if it were true. Remember Miscavige supposedly was going to reserve All the hotels in 10 miles radius for SuperPower to keep the evil SP’s out. lol

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I was from a TC movie from 2006, not Going Clear. I believe.

    • i-Betty

      I’m so tired, it’s way past my bedtime, but why is this ringing a bell? As in I think I remember someone else telling us this.

  • I’m glad Jason Beghe is fighting the good fight, but in the movie he does talk like a foul mouthed thug. Actors. Most aren’t very bright and are very insecure. I don’t share Tony’s respect for actors like JB or Kirstie Alley. I’ve worked in Hollywood for far too long.

    • flyonthewall

      Tony respects Kirstie Alley? Jason Beghe – Monkey Shines. Nuf said

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Tony did a review on Jason’s acting career? I must have missed that.

    • sumertin

      Oh I think Jason is extremely bright. The foul language is part of his “tough guy” persona, I don’t think it reflects poorly on his intelligence.

      • Liam

        Just a first impression, sumertin: You seem like an ass

    • KNMF

      pretty obvious you’re hot for Beghe.

    • Mymy88

      I have not seen the documentary yet, but I hope you are wrong about that. It may be that a Jason Beghe is exactly what this documentary needed, to make it bullet proof in terms of it making it a smash hit! By that I mean he was one of the important components (can’t think of a better word right now) in the documentary, so that all these very different people being interviewed, works together, somehow creating a positive and powerful chemistry.

    • Chee Chalker

      Wait……Tony respects Kitstie Alley?

      • flyonthewall

        I literally said the exact same thing just down thread, lol

        • Chee Chalker

          Great minds! It’s a mysterious comment from AGP.

      • Mymy88

        I highly doubt it.

    • Fred G. Haseney

      I had a rockin’ time watching Going Clear with AGP & Company a week ago.

    • BirdsFlying

      He may have gotten the foul mouth from being in Scientology. That is one of the hallmarks of the cult.

      • Tory Christman

        F**** Yes! 🙂 So very true.

  • Mymy88

    Hey? Who was that yesterday (Bunkerite) that wrote that comment about the HBO customer service representative that told them he (the representative) and all his many co-workers (because it is a huge center with 3 shifts) are hotly gossiping about ‘Going Clear’ at every break and at lunch time?

    They used that story here: (well actually I think Jesse Prince told them that story):

    http://www.examiner.com/article/hbo-going-clear-documentary-unites-voices-against-scientology

  • I know the proprietor doesn’t have much respect for Enty at CDAN but I think some kudos are deserved here:

    TMZ Won’t Face Reality About Scientology

    pic

    also new post http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • Mymy88

      Yep. And what you say is the f***ing-A truth. TMZ has played it this way all along. What is the deal? They go busting into people’s privacy every chance they get, but this… oh no… this is something above all of that. This is what they are trying to do – keeping $cien looking good. Creeps!

    • Tony Ortega

      Yes, he’s right about TMZ. But has he admitted how wrong he was about Going Clear?

      Some places still list his bullshit about who is supposedly in the movie.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Hmmm…TMZ? CDan? The Atlantic? ABC?

        I am going with HBO for $Eleventy Billion, Alex!

        • Liam

          I read The Economist. And Ortega.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I work for the Finance Department. I avoid the Economist like the plague.

            But I see what you did there 😉

            • Liam

              They are both respected news sources

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              The Economist? Or the Plague?
              Oh Wait! You mean Tony!!!
              Mea Culpa. That is some good ass salsa right there!

              Sorry all, I am going on vacation and I am mentally already ON THAT VACATION.

              Dear Scientologist’s.
              Just an FYI.
              I have house sitters.
              And it is Florida…so even the house sitters are armed.

              Just a little piece of honest advice for you angry and deluded fuckers.

            • Liam

              Enjoy your vacay BTN! Personally, coming from frigid Minnesota, hard to imagine why you need a vacation from FLA!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              😉
              The fishing is better just slightly further south right now.

            • Liam

              I want photos if you catch anything good)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              They will be beautiful.

            • Do fish fly? Do birds swim?

            • Eivol Ekdal

              It that “good-ass salsa” or ” good ass-salsa”?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You get to choose!
              🙂

            • Liam

              That is a scary distinction

            • Liam

              Our mutual love will surpass this impasse, BTN. Forgive, and forget:)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              LOL………but ofcourse.

      • if you remember my previous reply he got it so ‘spectacularly’ wrong that I suggested he might have been ‘fed’ this info and either knowingly (or not) posted it to sidetrack the cult…. I mean, you do know that a regular contributor here (and not in the comments) is a very good friend of his?

    • upping the enturbulation…

      pic

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      TMZ doesn’t have to wait until the 29th as the Arclight is well within the “Thirty Mile Zone”.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        This is my “second snort” this evening.

  • Observer

    This just came up on my iTunes, and it might just be me but man, does it seem appropriate for what’s going on now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjsw2QY4X1w

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Like it, but too cheerful for the occasion:)

  • nottrue

    Run Doggy Run…..

    • Mymy88

      LOLOL! Smart doggy!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Looks like he’s digging his back feet in, the way dogs after they’ve done their business…

  • Observer

    Here you go, i-Betty …

    • i-Betty

      You’re the best, thank you 🙂

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Body Routing NOT—March 20, 2015—Vermont Avenue and Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles, California

    Yesterday, I bought Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood & the Prison of Belief in paperback. Barnes and Noble received their first shipment of that edition a couple of days ago. It’s much easier to wave the paperback at passersby than it is to wave the hardback.

    Today at 4:00 PM, on my way home, the bus turned the corner from Vermont onto Sunset, just two blocks from PAC, the Scientology complex. I saw one Body Router on the northwest corner, two on the northeast corner, and a gaggle of them on the southwest corner. For a little while, all of the Body Routers just stood around, looking at each other with their thumbs up their as*es. I got off the bus, but as I approached the street corner, I noticed that one of the Body Routers had just handed a a “free” ticket for a personality test or a movie to a victim! With only four seconds to spare before the light changed, I ran across the street (all six foot four inches of me), arm outstretched, waving the book, proclaiming, “Read the Scientology expose! Read the book, see the movie, Going Clear!” As I left, I explained to the gaggle that I am alarmed with what David Miscavige is doing to the church. A couple of young female Body Routers actually looked somewhat enlightened, as if they had been unaware of the book or the movie.

    I continued west along Sunset, and when I arrived at L. Ron Hubbard Way, one of the Body Routers recognized me from before (this isn’t the first time I’ve touted the book and movie). He had someone with him (a Sea Org member from abroad, I believe), and they stood with me for a couple of minutes. I pointed at the Scientology complex and told them I had arrived in PAC before any of those orgs were open. “In fact,” I added, “my first day in the Sea Org turned out to be all-nighter in order to complete the renos of Los Angeles Org so she could be opened to the public.” That Body Router crumpled up his face a little and waved me off as he walked away, but I calmly, with good intention, got his attention, for he turned around to see me state: “We’re not in agreement with what David Miscavige is doing!”

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You just keep on keeping on!!!

      • Fred G. Haseney

        It’s fun; it’s as if I’ve been just waiting to do this all my lives.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Snorted beer.
          Great job thetan(s).

    • aquaclara

      Ha ha, you win. Love this story. Maybe, just maybe some of those naive body routers will come on over here and start reading.

      I have to say, too, that it can’t feel good for a regular citizen to have to deal with these people hawking their shit on every corner.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Thank you, aquaclara. Let’s just decide that this’ll be the place for a Body Router (“BR”) or two to saunter over to the Bunker for a little bit of eye-popping reality. That happened to me in August 2014, when I accidentally tumbled, head-first, into the Bunker. Scientology Inc. took me for a ride: 1977 to 2014.

        No, it isn’t always good for citizens to endure a BR’s onslaught. A young couple were in front of me as we passed PAC at LRH Way. Suddenly, a BR appeared from nowhere, stuck out a “free” ticket for a test/movie, and the young couple just had to momentarily fend the BR off as they continued on their way.

        • aquaclara

          Good for you! Newly out, commenting and funny. What made you leave? A very odd parallel. I’ve been along for the Scientology ride since 1976, on the outside, hoping more of you would decide to leave.

          Glad you’re out.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Aquaclara asks: “What made you leave?” I never really left; the ever increasing, exorbitant cost of the cult kept me on the sidelines. I worked extensively in their Front Groups for year; the avatar I use is a shot on the deck of the cult’s cruise ship, back in the days when you weren’t chased around the promenade deck by registrars looking for a quick fix.

            I firmly believed that I should never, ever search the internet for “Scientology.” I did a couple of times, but stopped right away. Last August, Mary Sue Hubbard’s DOG died and finally, after eleven long years, the house could be sold so Mary Sue’s heirs could benefit financially from it. Did I hear that right, I asked myself? Mary Sue Hubbard, the wife of El Ron, willed her house to her DOG; when she died, the dog lived there for eleven years. Didn’t Diana, Suzette or Alan matter to the founder’s wife?

            Yes, even then I stood inside their bubble. I did Google “Mary Sue Hubbard” because I wanted the address of her house (I live nearby and would like to go see it). Instead of getting “Google Maps,” however, I tumbled head-first into The Underground Bunker. Man, I couldn’t believe my eyes… but I could.

            Then Jenny Linson Devocht, along with her cohorts, ambushed Marty Rathbun at LAX. What a bitch! As I tried to figure out how I could begin communicating with your world, I came across Jenny starring in Anderson Cooper’s “Inch Wives,” and I knew a star had been born: JennyAtLAX. At first, I commented only as Jenny, using exact quotes from online declarations that Scientology Inc has carefully orchestrated for Scientology Inc’s Greatest Diva. Soon enough, JennyAtLAX developed her own voice:

            https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/

            JennyAtLAX is ready for her closeup now, Mr. De Ville!

            • Ella Raitch

              JennyAtLAX is awesome, and a crazy, but in a good way

            • The use of the exact quotes was very clever – take a bow!

            • aquaclara

              The dog story did it, eh? That was a good one. And now you get to catch up on some fun reading. Tony has all his Bunker articles here, and if you haven’t yet looked back at Tony’s Village Voice Running Scared articles, give them a try. Click through all the highlighted words and they’ll take you back to even more stories, still fresh and impactful as ever.

              Jenny is funny. You found an interesting voice.

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Thank you, aquaclara. I have delved in Tony’s Village Voice, and there always is so much more to read and catch up on.

  • i-Betty

    I greatly suspect this has already been posted – I’m not sure it can have been missed. I’m going to risk it anyway as it’s impossible these days to keep on top of all the comments here and it’s worth it for those who missed it.

    From the brilliant Sec Check blog: “Scientology’s IndieGoGo Campaign Raises No Money Whatsoever.”

    Poor Meghan Fialkoff. Not a dollar. Not one. 😀

    https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/scientologys-indiegogo-campaing-raises-no-money-whatsoever/

    • generic sock account

      That’s fabulous.

      • i-Betty

        Aww, poor Meghan Fialkoff. Just thought I say it one more time. Poor Meghan Fialkoff. Oops, and again!

    • Missionary Kid

      It was, but far down the comments, and it definitely bears repeating, thank you.

    • Jack99

      The Drug Free Heroes of 2015 must be devastated.

    • Sejanus

      That is beyond excellent!
      She should stick to giving touch assists to homeless dudes….lol

      • Observer

        “I’m going to call my friend Kelsey Miller! She’ll protect me from you SP meanies!”

      • i-Betty

        “I might be fragrant and spend a small fortune maintaining these highlights but I’m seriously shit at raising money for worthy causes. And lying, cheating front groups. Fuck it; can haz money for an apartment, Daddy, pweeeeze?”

        • i-Betty

          Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha!!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            ON THE FLOOR…………

        • Missionary Kid

          Natalie, that is so magnificent, I doubt anyone will be able to top it, even some of the snark geniuses here in the bunker.

          I’m still shaking my head and chuckling.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yowza. Magnificent Natleficent.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Nat, you just won the internets.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So Meghan Fialkoff’s IndieGoGo campaign is…

      …CLEAR?

      • Sherbet

        It was an IndieNoGo.

  • seriouslyWTF

    I haven’t seen this posted for awhile.. So, I thought I would throw it out there.. Voting is still going on for the Humane Society and Wounded Warriors.. http://www.milner.com/jumpstart/jumpstart-tampa/vote2 I copied the url after I voted.. so, I hope this works.

  • George Layton

    {It angers me so much that you are showing a movie I refuse to watch.}
    Fricken scientology

  • nottrue

    They put up a new pole in the parking lot….

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      nottrue… You are SO beyond awesome.

      Someday…when it is safe. I want to MEET you.
      Seriously!

    • Observer

      And by “food” and “refreshments” they mean “niacin” and “Cal-Mag”. I’m also a little concerned that they seem to think there’s a difference between food and refreshments.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Obviously, OBS, you have never had the pleasure of drinking a nice wheat grass shake that has been flavored by Cal Mag and powdered Niacin?
        It is so tasty.
        It is refreshing, food… and also a floor wax.

        And in the 80’s…if you mixed it with a little Aloe Vera juice….hey…even better.
        Whoosh! You could find SP’s under your bed and shit………….

        • generic sock account

          I drink the same thing. But I add bourbon, and leave out out the wheat grass, cal mag, and floor wax. It’s actually just bourbon, now that i think about it.

          • Observer

            Do you find SPs under your bed?

            • generic sock account

              I hope not. They could come up on the bed, if they wanted to. Provided they are glamorous enough.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              like Joy Villa?

            • generic sock account

              I guess it would depend on the construction site costume she’s wearing. I imagine her under there wearing a giant orange cone with holes cut in it. That would be hot.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OMG!!!!

            • generic sock account

              You know you’ve thought about it, too. Don’t pretend you haven’t.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Third ‘snort’ of the evening.

            • i-Betty

              Hur hur 😛

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              This is frightening me, because I made a joke last week on back channels about her showing up at my house with road cones over her boobies and asking me to direct traffic.

            • generic sock account

              Hah. Well, we have a similar sense of humor. But that is definitely funnier.

            • Observer

              I’m sorry, but every time I look at her I hallucinate a whiff of BO.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Whoa….I am so glad it is NOT JUST ME!!!
              Must have been that Department of Transportation dress that sent me over the edge.

            • ew.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Gah. Not her again. Gahhhhh

            • generic sock account

              Giant orange cone would win every Best Dressed list.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              She is so amusing though…she is like a Cardone without the………um………I got nothin here.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              What have the Cardone’s got? (Apart from more money than sense!)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Gah. Not the Cardone’s again. Gahhhhhh.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Sorry THDNE, whole worlds of Gahhhh tonight 🙂

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I obviously need some refreshments now.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Monkey does a mean bloody mary, will that be ok? (was a barman many moons ago)

              (ETA: it is mostly vodka though 🙂 )

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yes, thank you. And I’m not picky. Just all fresh ingredients, light on the horseradish, organic tomatoes, low sodium Worcester sauce, a few taps of hot sauce, crisp celery, well chilled, but other than that, whatever you got is fine. Oh, no dried bouillon crap. There’s another sodium in those cubes for my entire month’s allotment.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Ok, here you are (F5)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Looks awesome. Oooh, lime slice too. Big tip for this.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Thank you, MonkeyBarServices®™ aims to please 🙂

            • $$$

            • Sherbet

              Middle finger?

            • Axe body spray and Drakar Noir.

            • Observer

              Without the itchy scrotum?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Road cones anyone? 😉

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Drink enough of those and you’re apt to find almost anything under your bed…

          • KNMF

            I enjoy the exact same drink but I add a jigger of jim beam black.

      • KNMF

        Indeed it’s ood how they always advertise “refreshments.” I think there’s something to that.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          If they’re green, I’d pass on them.

          • KNMF

            people?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Soylent green, made from bitter SP’s.

        • Tory Christman

          LOL Thanks for the laugh, KNMF 🙂 You all are funny!!

    • KNMF
    • Suzy

      Ah, yes, I got the flyer in the mail. from Pasadena and LA orgs, I guess they are really pushing the purif program

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Can you see the orange glow from your house?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Not at ‘the Ideal Org of Los Angeles’. No.

      It can’t be there. It must be at the other place: ‘the Model Ideal Org of Los Angeles.

      The fecking Model Ideal.

      • Sherbet

        Now, there’s a fundraising idea. Ideal Orgs aren’t good enough. Next up: Model Ideal Orgs. Or did DM already think of that?

    • Tory Christman

      Damn…………I missed it. Well, here’s the good news, “dave”…
      YOU CAN RUN, BUT YOU CANNOT HIDE!
      I’ll be back, trust me on that 🙂
      Your local, friendly SP: Tory/Magoo

  • Brian C. Bock

    I wanted to share my view as someone who has never experience the cult and has just been learning about it. It’s been a bit of a voyage. I’ve been reading up on Scientology. I remember the TV ads when I was a kid of exploding volcanoes. It looked crazy to me then and I had no idea what it was about. I was curious but living in a small town, fortunately I had no way to find out more. I didn’t give it much thought until decades later when Tom Cruise started hopping around on furniture. I started reading a little, but not really diving in until Lawrence Write’s book, which I had not read, but about which I had seen interviews. But my deep dive was in anticipation of the HBO movie. Then I saw Tory’s Youtube channel and thought, there’s a nice lady. I couldn’t understand how a smart, warm and vibrant personality like her could be in a cult for decade and be part of its dirty tricks squad. So I read more, including the book.That’s when i dove into RPF, slave labor, child abuse, disconnection, Sea Org, chain lockers, palace coups, fair game, black Dianetics, etc. WOW. I think most people have no idea how crazy this all is. Then I got to Lisa McPherson. And then Astra Woodcraft and her baby and my brain melted contemplating the cruelty of this cult. By this time, I was feeling a bit guilty because it felt like hate watching a “reality” show because these weren’t just fools. These were intelligent, vibrant people, who were tormented for decades. So instead of seeing them in this artificial, two-dimensional cartoon way, I really felt for them. And now, reading the stories of people leaving the cult, I feel elated for them. I can’t begin to imagine how they must have felt when they were free. And I look at these brave people in a new light. They are survivors. They won. And probably my most important take-away is that these aren’t terrible people. They are people who were trying to do a good thing for themselves and humanity. Even the people who did evil things when they were in and are struggling to make amends. I hope the church is emptied as more people blow to the winds of freedom. (Not to be confused with an asbestos laden death trap which I will not name.)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Thank you for a beautiful post.

      This is WHY!!!

    • Mymy88

      I hear you. The journey of learning while tumbling down the mother of all rabbit holes; learning the truth about Scientology. I enjoyed reading your post. I can really relate to everything you say.

    • Brian C. Bock

      I meant to add that Jason Beghe made me understand for the first time how this actually works–how people are sucked in. His interview is must watch because so many things became so much clearer as he explained how they drove him nuts.

      • His address to the Hamburg meeting posted below is fantastic. One of the best distillations of the cult I’ve seen in 20 years.

    • KNMF

      Hubbard was a brilliant, insane sociopath who made trapping and enslaving people his life’s work. And he designed the trap specifically for smart, well-meaning people. He went after the good ones.

      • Brilliant?

        • KNMF

          Within his genre. Among evil psychopaths. I’d say he was the best at constructing a holistic attack on his victims. He just really paid attention to detail.

          • Brilliant connotes light and glory. I would use clever or insidious but that’s just me.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              How about industrious?

            • Connotes accomplishment. Prolific is better.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Would scatter–gun bullshitter be appropriate? (with apologies for the potty–mouth)

            • Much more fitting.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Thank you Nat, we’ll go with that one then 🙂

            • KNMF

              I edited it to one of the quickie definitions for the word “brilliant,” for you.

            • TY but it’s no use. I will never agree with the idea that L. Ron Hubbard was “brilliant”

            • KNMF

              You don’t hate Hubbard more than me. I’ll tell you that much.

            • I resent his treatment of the English language.

            • KNMF

              Me also, but I even hate his abuse of acronyms.

            • Brian C. Bock

              Me too. He was abusive in so many ways, but his torture of the English language is the most puzzling.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Me too. And shrewd. But across the pond, the BBC reviewer put it like this: “The twisted genius of L Ron Hubbard is that he figured out a way to define and exploit contemporary soul sickness.” http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20150320-a-scary-must-see-scientology-doc

            • KNMF
        • Missionary Kid

          No, not brilliant, but crafty. Remember, he had decades to work on his con.

        • ScnMonkeyNuts

          Brilliant at being a narcissistic, sociopathic, paranoid schizophrenic.

          ETA: and creating an organisation that so closely resembled himself.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yes, he did. He trapped many of the good ones.
        However…the thing about that is..those smart people eventually look deeper……….
        And now we have the Marty Rathbuns. The Mike Rinders. The Jason Beghes…..and so it goes………on and on and on.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          That’s the key. The very spit and passion that sucked you in is the only thing that will help you blow.

          • Ooooh. I like that!

          • Tory Christman

            To clarify that: For me I joined to help people.
            Once I SAW what the “top Secret OSA International Mafia/gang”
            were *really* doing on the Net (trying to stop free speech) I realized
            I did NOT get into Scientology to do *that*. I’ve always been a free speech
            advocate!

            That got me looking. Scientology says it makes the “able more able”.
            HOWEVER, on OT 7 for 7 years and knowing many OT 8’s …I watched
            all of us and the vast majority that I’d known most of my adult life, were MUCH
            WORSE OFF—-we certainly were NOT “more able”. That was a wake up call
            for me.

            PLUS: Alllllllllllllllllllllllllll the Scientologists I knew who were Dead, way too early,
            or those who had killed themselves: It was just too many. As my brother pointed out to me: “Tory, I know ONE person who is dead. We are one year apart. EVERY time I talk to you another of your best friends has died”. Big wake up call.

            Next I began thinking about ALL of the people I admired: Writers, Artists,
            musicians, human rights peeps, scientists, inventors, etc. NOT ONE OF THEM
            was a Scientologist! That was a HUGE shock for me, and a BIG wake up call,too.

            Just a few things to note, and IF anyone is lurking, to consider, yourselves 🙂

      • Tory Christman

        He did and he put some very tasty cheese in the trap.
        The one thing he did not count on is that HE himself
        got trapped in his very own trap. I’ve been told by people
        who were with “Ron”…he was still trying to fight off
        “BTs” (Body Thetans/OT 3) when he died. He was basically
        NUTZ.

    • Missionary Kid

      Welcome. A great post.

      Just wait until you see Going Clear. You’ll be able to just tell your friends to go see it. It manages to explain in two hours, which would take me many more hours, what I’ve learned about $cientology.

      Because I get so pissed off at the cult, I have a hard time of making my points succinctly enough to people. $cientology is so Byzantine in its structure and it hides so much from the public that it’s hard to explain to people.

      I believe that the accumulated anger that will spread as a result of the movie will have a huge impact on the chult. (Church+ cult).

      When the body routers around, particularly, big blue, are ridiculed or laughed at by the general public, (which I believe will be one result), their whole “confront and shatter” tech will be applied to them.

      • Brian C. Bock

        While I hope I never come across one of their zombies, I am prepared to firmly entone: FLUNK! START AGAIN!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Don’t forget to say “thank you” if the ashtray stands up.

          • Brian C. Bock

            Thanks for the pro tip.

          • Brian C. Bock

            I have to say, I find the smoking and ashtray thing one of the most amusing parts. Not the exercise per se, which is amusing to anyone. But the fact that the chosen object is an ashtray, an object that is largely anachronistic as smoking has gone from socially acceptable, cool and adult to being a filthy addiction. Because of course the Tech is anachronistic and stuck in amber from a bygone era being the unchanging, everlasting word of LRH. So the symbol is fitting.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              BINGO.
              We have expounded on that a time or two…;-)

            • Missionary Kid

              I echo Bury. BINGO!

            • I have imagined a scene where Brigham Young and Joseph Smith read Hubbard the riot act for not leaving Miscavige the very useful tool of “prophecy.”

            • Brian C. Bock

              I think if the goal were the perpetuation of the “religion” that would have been an element. But it seems clear he didn’t care what happened after he died. I mean… went exterior.

            • I have spent a lot of time imagininge what might happen in Tartget 2.

            • Ardent

              (smacks head) Damn! Hot Damn! I’ll bet Dave has been trying to figure out how to dupe the folks into thinking LRH left him that, too, and not just a bunch of crank-letters to invisible cooties…

            • Brian C. Bock

              Maybe that’s OT XIII. The power of Prophecy. But it’s such powerful woo that it drives people instantly insane unless an OT is swimming naked in an Ideal Vault filled with gold coins. Start the fundraising letters now!

            • Tory Christman

              Here’s a good one for you: *I* am one of a very few (I only know of one other, my now ex-husband) who have OT 9-11 paid for! They were packages his parents bought from “Ron” years ago. One was given to me. LOL. Too funny, huh?

            • Brian C. Bock

              Who knows what powers you would have gained?

            • Yes. It would have been so easy for subsequent leaders to arrange for ‘LRH advice’ letters to ‘miraculously’ appear in one of the offices reserved for his return.

            • Tory Christman

              Hey good point, Brian! I had not thought about *that*.
              Do they still use ashtrays for that drill? eeeewwww, if so, yuk.

          • Tory Christman

            LOL! And don’t forget Bury_ The_ Nuts…Tick Tock, “dave” 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          Since they’ve thrown the sea org members into Hollywood, the presence of $cientology, which had nearly disappeared, is back out there again.

          Unfortunately for them, the sea org uniforms make them about as welcome as Jehovah’s Witnesses showing up at your door on your one morning to sleep in.

          Sea org workers have little knowledge of the outside world. Take pity on them.
          Treat them kindly, because they expect SPs to be mean to them. That doesn’t mean that you have to put up with them, but they’re prepared for hostility, but not civility.

          • Brian C. Bock

            I agree. I would only reserve that for someone who got nasty. I have admired Tory Christman. That woman is so damned charming. And is generous to these people, even though they cannot possibly understand that. She is the model for how to talk to a Scientologist, I think. I will avoid talking to them. But barring that I will take Tory’s example and talk to them them with kindness.

            • Tory. Amazing how someone can be so very dear and so iron-strong, innit?

            • Brian C. Bock

              If I were a joiner, I’d join her fan club.

            • Missionary Kid

              When she walked into the ArcLight for a showing of Going Clear, she took a picture of the audience. The flash made everyone notice her, and they spontaneously started to applaud. That’s respect. We’re just two among many.

            • Tory Christman

              That truly shocked me, MK, as I told you and made me smile.
              How sweet it is to be on the right side of right?
              Every day I give thanks for being out of there…and that was
              one stellar moment. Thank you ALL for doing what you do.
              As I’ve said many times: EVERY voice matters. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Everyone appreciates a little encouragement, and you deserve at least some positive feedback because we’ve learned from you.

            • Tory Christman

              Oh I **greatly** appreciate it! Absolutely true, MK 🙂 Thank you ALL.

            • Ardent

              Me too. Really!

            • Tory Christman

              Uh oh….LOL Iove you, Too!

            • Tory Christman

              LOL…Oh gawd. OSA used to push that all the time when I first started speaking out.
              It’s even in their 25 step program of 2006: “Tory really cares about her fans” or some
              BS like that. (And I know you did not mean it that way, Brian…just wanted to mention it as it was one more “black Pr” program they’ve run about me, for years).

              No—I care about people, I care about truth, I care about freedom.
              I love you ALL 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              It would be an act of kindness to give the sea org people some toilet paper & toothpaste, but I think they’d be insulted if we did, and they wouldn’t take it, because then it would be an acknowledgement of how shitty their living conditions are. Also, I can imagine them being sec checked if they did accept, and I wouldn’t like to be the cause of that.

            • Tory Christman

              No question about it: They would consider it a “1.1” action (Covertly hostile) as it’s putting their “church” down, even IF it’s true.

            • Brian C. Bock

              Yes, but I wasn’t talking about fans. I was talking about the kindness you show to the people who are trapped and who cannot see the back wall of the Truman Show, the ones that would have no idea what to do if the thought of leaving came to the foreground of their minds. You must really baffle them because you treat them with the dignity and respect they deserve as human beings, which is clearly not something they are comfortable with, having been treated as fodder all these years. But it is funny that they think you do this for fans. They honestly don’t understand why you do have fans, do they? But then it sounds like COB’s only true fan is Tom Cruise.

            • Tory Christman

              I like that, Artoo45 and Hi 🙂 Long time no see!

            • Hey Tory! I’m enjoying seeing your videos and appearances at openings of a certain film! I hope you’ll be at a fantastic HBO party on the 29th!

            • Tory Christman

              Come on! You were at the documentary when I was there and didn’t come say “hi”? Grrrr…..if this is true, we need to get together, Artoo45. 🙂

            • I mean online! I was at the Presideo in SF! Had I been at the Arclight when you were there, I most definitely would have run up and made a big ol’ fanboi fool of myself!

            • Tory Christman

              Ahh ok, thanks, Artoo45 🙂 So happy you saw it!

            • Missionary Kid

              Tory is. I’ve seen her rattle a security guard, after some nice chit-chat, just by asking, “This isn’t what you signed up for years ago, is it?” I saw him jerk involuntarily in a way that would have pinned an E-meter. Since he was on camera, I’ll bet he spent some time in the Hole, or a lot of time being sec checked.

              Tory, remember, was on the other side, and was a public that dealt with critics. She’s about 3 steps ahead of anyone they send up against her.

              When she shows up, the whole security force is on alert. When they know she’s in Hollywood, the news travels FAST.

            • Ardent

              I saw that guy jerk back, too! Remarkable. Poor guy – he’s probably doing some unspeakable and dangerous task now, without adequate protective gear, etc..

            • Tory Christman

              It’s surprising, as I’ve said, how sometimes the littlest thing can be THE straw that breaks the $cientologist’s mind control. 🙂

            • Tory Christman

              LOL…It’s true and how funny is that?! My favorite was meeting with a bunch of ministers here in LA, and the one big guy who was *totally* against me….when I showed him my SP declare, Gayle Carrol tried to compare me to Hitler. “Hitler was an SP, and Tory is an SP”. ROTFLOL! BINGO!! That ended the party—and suddenly they all *got* why I left, and how NUTZ they really are.

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, Brian. 🙂 Like I’ve said many times, I learned that only because I was sent out
              to try to “Handle the critics”…and I knew how much i never heard the angry ones with “Facts”. It’s not that their facts were wrong….it’s just said in such a “tone” that we were drilled to not even bother with that. “It’s low toned”. However, this one critic kept asking me, nicely, “If you’re free—why can’t you read certain books?” (And I could tell it was a sincere question—not a put down).

              Of course I had the standard response, thinking it was totally my own:
              “Oh I can read anything I want. I just don’t choose to read *those* books.”

              If you’re lurking, and see this: Please do NOT make the same mistake I did,
              give your LIFE up to $cientology with trust. “dave” is a liar and a pimp-ass weasel
              as I’ve said. Like it or not…at LEAST Learn BOTH sides!!

          • Ardent

            Seriously. I’d buy a bunch of toilet paper and hand a few rolls out to every poor sap in uniform with a polite: “just in case”. But, I am nowhere near Big Blue, so, well, I can just sit here and type it. But I mean it. MK is correct. Many of the SeaOrg people really mistrust the ‘Wog world’.

            • Missionary Kid

              Maybe, next time, I’ll show a little kindness. I’ve got some extra rolls to give.

            • Brian C. Bock

              I imagine it’s tough being an evolved species in a world full of wogs.

          • Tory Christman

            I agree with you, MK. I don’t “take pity on them”…as I just don’t. They are supporting $cientology, whether they know about the abuses or not, and most know certainly about people being declared “SP” and “disconnection”, for starters.

            I feel someone needs to help them wake up. I agree with you on kindness. Having been sent out to “handle the critics” and having been faced with angry, yelling critics, I KNOW first hand there is a shut down mechanism for them and they JUST DO NOT HEAR YOU.
            However, kindness is like music: It can get through walls, under doors, to your heart.
            That’s what matters. 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I love your last sentences, “However, kindness is like music: It can get through walls, under doors, to your heart.
              That’s what matters.”

              And, where do you think that I learned about kindness towards those whose actions I detest? You. Thanks, Tory.

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, Missionary Kid 🙂 We all help each other—unlike $cientology where when
              “in” it’s actually pretty dog eat dog,
              “F*** you I have to do ____and I don’t have time for you”. They’ll say “no way!”
              So did I…but IF you actually LOOK, that IS a big part of it.
              There is very little compassion, very little love. That was a big part of my waking up.

    • i-Betty

      Thank you for such a great post. That’s the difference: we are able to feel compassion and empathy for those still in and those who did terrible things.

      • Tory Christman

        Exactly, i-Betty. This was a HUGE shock for me to learn when I first escaped out.
        ALL you hear when “in” is how horrible the critics are, they’re “Liars” or fed “false information”,
        “They are evil”. Always remember what MOST Of you know—-the vast majority of people ‘in”
        have NO clue about. I was like Paul Haggis who says in the documentary: “I never read *an* negative thing about Scientology in the 30 years I was “in”. ME TOO!
        So imagine the SHOCK to find out—-one for one—-they’re not only NOT Evil, Not liars,
        they are *really* nice, caring people!!
        It was a HUGE shock for me….and quite a wonderful one, too. 🙂

        Bill Yaude’s wife, Kathy died March 14th. I made a post about it, as
        1) I care about her, even though she had Disconnected from me.
        and
        2) I know how often $cientology will sweep deaths under the rug and NEVER
        TELL ANYONE. It’s weird, REALLY WEIRD.

    • Spackle Motion

      FYI, Tory was in the cult for 3 decades.

      • Missionary Kid

        And it just about killed her.

        • Brian C. Bock

          Yes, she is one tough woman. They made a huge mistake going after her.

          • Missionary Kid

            She was going to be quiet, but they couldn’t leave well enough alone. If you see one of her earliest protests at the Boston org (no longer in existence) the thing that rings true is her saying, “That’s not FAIR.”

            • TheMirrorThetan

              That’s the whole problem with COS, they cant just leave things alone, and it always works against them. Lots of exes and others would of been happy just getting on with their lives but Oh No the Dickless Micromanager has to start harassing them and making them speak up. The stupid idiot is doing the critics work for em.

            • Brian C. Bock

              My sadistic, “reality” tv hate watching side wishes I would see Miss Cabbages’s response to all this. But my side that is in love with Tory knows that Slappy’s busy destroying the lives of other human beings over this as we type.

            • Missionary Kid

              Exactly.

              Miscavige is just a petty little bitch, or, as someone else put it, a high school girl, but I’d say a junior high school girl, involved in a bitch-fest. He will never realize that he has created far more enemies by using the LRH tactic of “never defend, always attack” and that it has been the fastest way to enlarge the opposition.

              The internet is the game changer. LRH could get away with fair game because his victims were isolated, and didn’t know about each other. With the internet, not only are $cientology’s victims and critics able to unite, but just about all of the secrets of $cientology that LRH and DM have tried to keep people from knowing are open for them to see.

              The bible verse I learned in John goes something like, “And men loved darkness because their deeds were evil.” The lights are on because of the internet, and Miscavige doesn’t realize that his evil is out there for all to see. Now, a searchlight is coming on, in the form of Going Clear, which will put his operation under very tight scrutiny. Of course, he won’t be able to leave well enough alone.

              Thank goodness for Miscavige, at this point. He’s screwing himself more than a simple documentary ever could.

            • Ardent

              Missionary, I agree with you. But then I get worried and suspicious simply because all other auguries of the cult’s downfall have proven to be chimerical. It depresses me. I have my hopes up about the scrutiny ‘Going Clear’ will bring to bear on the cult, but I still have the inward trembles that somehow, in some byzantine manner, the cult will slither through this seemingly inescapable dilemma. That’s me being gloomy.

            • Science Doc

              Word clear that one OSA.

            • Ardent

              They get confused by the word: “worried”?

            • Science Doc

              Chimerical might not be a ninth grade vocabulary word. The would probably understand Byzantine by way of analogy to their own life.

            • Missionary Kid

              What I underestimated when I thought the cult was going to crash last year was what John P. pointed out: the income from the big whales. Now that Duggar has made another pile, I’ll bet that Miscavige all but tucks him in at night to make sure the money keeps flowing, and he’s always coming up with new projects to be financed.

              Instead, I’m saying that organizationally Co$ is in trouble. I’ve learned that there will be ups and downs all the time. Lately, it’s been ups for most of us critics.

              What makes predictions difficult is the secrecy involved with Co$. Unless someone blows with knowledge about what is going on, or the $cientology Money Project divines figures, in many ways, we’re reading tea leaves.

              Tony and others do an excellent job of detective work, but we’re, in effect, dealing with North Korea.

            • Tory Christman

              The “whales”, imnsho, basically are pitching $$$ at $cientology as a “Write off”.
              The way to help with that is expose the abuses, over and over. Some won’t care…
              many will. History repeats itself,and time IS on *our* side! 🙂

            • Tory Christman

              Ardent…having lived through they (the cult of $cientology) snaking out of WAY too many things, I now never count on anything bringing them down. I celebrate each person leaving, each person speaking out, Tony’s site, all of you, Xenu.net, XenuTv.com, Anonymous, even the Indies although I’m not one of them—they are people OUT of the phony “church”, and many of them have stopped being “Indies” even. What will actually bring $cientology down…time shall tell. I KNOW, as I’ve told “dave” many times on line—“Karma you cannot pay off, bribe, scare, use attorneys to shut up. Your Karma WILL come your way and no doubt in a way you leave expect”.

              I was saying this BEFORE Tom Cruise had his public melt down on Oprah and then The Today Show, telling Matt Lower: “You don’t know the source of psychiatry, *I* do”. HAHAHAHAHAH Tons of media called me after that. I did interviews for years, literally. Thank you Tom Cruise and “dave”. They are the Cult’s worst enemies. love to you ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

              PS: And work on not letting any of this shit depress you. Either take a break, or buy the book: “The Four Agreements” and work on getting that in, as well as “You Can Heal Your Life” by Louise Hay. You deserve to live a joyous, happy life, Ardent.

            • Ardent

              Thank you so much, Tory. I appreciate all you said. Be well!

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Exactly…Thanks Dave for being the gigantic steaming incompetent and insane arsehole that you are.

            • Tory Christman

              FTR: He (The Mirror Thetan) is referring to David Miscavige…and an excellent description,
              I might add! My only addition is: Pimp-assed weasel as I’ve posted before. 🙂

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Thanks Tory. I definitely was refering to the Demon Midget and Pimp-arsed weasel suits him even better.

              And even though I have bigger balls than Davey, mainly due to the fact he is a chicken-shit and due to his steroid use, Iam in fact a female.(Rozie)

            • Hubbard, working in darkness, could also constantly recruit people to replace those who left or were discarded. This is how he managed to accumulate so much money – by discarding people when they had no more to give and replacing them with new members who possessed new assets to plunder.

              The CofS still depends on this tactic – members of the Sea Org are put under such extreme pressure that only a select few can function properly for an extended period. Many more are burned out and leave (or are discarded). This can only work if they are constantly replaced by new recruits.

              However, due to the Internet, recruitment has effectively collapsed (and the broadcast of “Going Clear” will likely stop it altogether). This is a clear existential threat to the CofS – one which they are addressing by putting more pressure on existing members. it’s clear that Miscavige does not understand that there is a problem, let alone what it is.

              The membership and the income will steeply decline from this point.

            • Missionary Kid

              I would have agreed with you until last year. John P. has done an analysis of Co$ finances, and the big thing that I didn’t understand was the amount of money that the whales bring in. The income from the ordinary publics surely has collapsed, but the revenue from the whales is huge.

              I’m wondering how much more the Duggars are going to contribute now that their fortune has taken a big jump.

              Unfortunately, the whales are fairly insulated by their living circumstances from the rest of $cientology. Some of them have continued to contribute because they don’t want to be on Miscavige’s shit list, but if he’s made toxic enough, and their connection to him is highlighted, hopefully, that will give them the excuse to cut ties with $cientology.

              One thing that I do believe is that $cientology’s personnel problem are going to get so bad that organizationally, due to work overload and the exit of capable people, that there won’t be enough people left for the cult to function.
              I’m predicting an organizational collapse this year because of those problems. Financially, I believe that $cientology is losing money, but not at the rate one would think simply because of the whales.

            • Relying on those few whales for such a large proportion of your income is a risky strategy. You only need to alienate a handful individuals and your money stops coming in

              Scientology’s SOP will be useless against disaffected whales – for example ‘fair gaming’ them would be counter-productive – these people know how to look after themselves (or, at least their well-paid lawyers do).

              I think organisational collapse is crucial. Without sufficient competent staff, it does not matter how much money the CofS has, because they cannot deploy it effectively

              For example, consider the CofS response to “Going Clear” – they have spent a fortune only to make matters worse for themselves by drawing attention to the film and demonstrating to the public several of its key accusations.

              The CofS can afford them most sophisticated modern weapons – and constantly use them to shoot their own feet. Sooner or later, rich supporters are going sneak away out of sheer embarrassment (and there is a storm of bad publicity on the horizon).

              I won’t predict a time… but I will bet that the collapse, when it comes will be sudden, unexpected and complete.

            • Missionary Kid

              I agree.

            • Tory Christman

              My favorite were 2 Sea Org kids who called me asking for help to get out.
              One was at Flag. I asked “Who do you know NOT in Scientology?” He:
              “No one”. So I said, “Ok, how old are you and what time is it? He said 21 and it
              was 10:30 at night. I said “I’m only going to tell you what *I* would do in your position”.
              He said “What”?
              I said: “Start walkin’! This is a beautiful country, you’ll start remembering friends, people will help you”.
              He called me 2 days later: “I’m on my way!!”

            • Tory Christman

              The 2nd was in the same week, again a young Sea Org kid who said he’d seen my videos and wanted out. I asked who he knew? He said “only my Dad, and I have not talked with him in 10 years”. So I said, “Call your Dad”. (The kid said he was in Las Vegas). So he told his Dad, his Dad called a friend in LV and told his son to go there. He did.
              As he arrived, the Sea Org were right behind him.

              What they were not planning on his this friend of his Dad’s was a Christian, and a
              strong Dad, too.
              He arrived at the door with a SHOTGUN and a KNIFE and said:
              “You are from the Devil: GET OFF MY LAWN.”
              Needless to say, the “Sea Org” peeps left rapidly and both kids are FINE,
              safe and happily OUT of the Sea Org and Scientology. 🙂

            • Brian C. Bock

              Nice. Although poor kid has traded one cult for another. I hope they gave him time to decompress before taking him back to Jesus. Cult is probably too strong a word for the Christians. But it also does indoctrinate you to use specific words and think specific things.

            • Tory Christman

              No no….the kid didn’t get into that. The FATHER sent him to a man who was a Christian. The Knife and GUN that he pointed to the Sea Org were what got them to run away. LOL The kid is fine. 🙂

            • I wish him well.

              It is undoubtedly the right thing to do, but starting over in this way must be difficult.

            • Tory Christman

              Hey! He was 21 at the time. I had to start over (as many of us have) in my 50’s….much harder! Never let age stop you from living. 🙂

            • Brian C. Bock

              It makes me wonder… if Co$ has so many whales, aren’t there any ex-Co$ who could put up money to help these people get out? I think the LMT just missed its window.

            • Tory Christman

              $$$ Is not the issue as far as helping people get out. Getting them to WAKE Up is, and LMT (and Mark Bunker/XenuTV.Com) helped a ton in that area, and still are, really. 🙂

            • Tory Christman

              Very true, MK. A friend of mine, Warrior, who is an ex-sea org member, always posted: “Sunshine Disinfects”
              And it is SO true with $cientology.

            • Tory Christman

              Yup—I was only out 2 weeks when Mark Bunker filmed “Magoo Dancing in Boston”. I had no idea he was filming *me*. You can hear me say over and over: “Scientology IS communication”. Would I say that today? HELL NO! I know they are NOT.

          • Tory Christman

            This is true, Brian. I was going to leave “under the radar, never speak out, never picket, never say *a* thing. BUT—-they had to keep picking on me, and guess what? I realized *I* have free speech, TOO! ((And amazingly enough—they’ve done the same with these people In the documentary in 2015!!)). They never learn.

        • Ardent

          Tory is the quintessential face of GOOD.

          • Missionary Kid

            She is not only good, but effective. It was no wonder that when Miscavige was addressing the troops on LRH way that they not only closed the street, but they put up trees so he couldn’t be seen from the outside. In addition, they didn’t simply assign a simple security guard to mind her, but a full blooded OSA executive.

            • Ardent

              It’s risible, how frightened this jerk Miscavige is when it comes right down to it. Man he is a poor excuse for a human being. I truly think he has Shelley (sp?) locked away, probably up at Arrowhead, never to darken his door again. Repulsive amoral creep that he is.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s “Shelly” (the second E is missing– Tony invented that mnemonic)

            • Ardent

              Thanks, Robert. Cheers.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re too kind.

            • Tory Christman

              LOL True, also, MK 🙂

            • Tory Christman

              Well put, Ardent 🙂

            • Tory Christman

              I <3 that Anonymous counted how long it took for $cientology to shut down L Ron Hubbard way …as soon as I'd step on the street. "She shut it down in 3 minutes". In Ireland, "She shut them down in 1 minute!" Too funny, except for they then pushing me down their very steep stairs. Thank goodness John McGhee was there to catch me.

          • Tory Christman

            awww thank you, Ardent 🙂 I don’t know if that’s true…but I certainly try 🙂

        • Tory Christman

          True—due to $cientology insisting I get off of my medication that controls Epilepsy,
          I nearly died 2 times. Thankfully my Mom saved my life, and Jerry Hall the 2nd time.

      • Tory Christman

        Wow…I never thought of it that way, but you’re right!
        1.1969-79
        2.1979-89
        3.1989-1999

        I escaped out in July of 2000.
        I’ve been speaking out since then, so in 2009=4 decades (I’ve been talking about $cientology).
        And soon: 2019—If I’m still around it will be 5 DECADES. Good GAWD.
        Let’s HOPE by then they’re closed D O W N, or their abuses have stopped.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Floored by this Brian. That really means a lot to me, and I hope others get to see it too.

    • Welcome to the Bunker. You get it.

    • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

      Perhaps the most apt quote about scientology is “its always worse than you think” which your comment epitomizes perfectly. And there is no better place to observe and share the experience of this epic human drama than here at the bunker. Welcome, indeed.

    • Ardent

      Welcome to The Bunker Brian. As Artoo says, “you get it”. Reading your account I should say you do. The incredible beyond-strange & evil bit is what protects the cult (mostly) from public scrutiny, because most decent people will simply refuse to believe such atrocities could be committed in “Our Modern Society Today”. Well, as you have learned, and will continue to learn, the cult has been getting away with it. Until now, we all hope. So welcome, have a seat, and join us in the sincere hope that the full weight of Karma and the law will come pounding down on this vile corrupt cult.

    • Ella Raitch

      Oh yeah – you’re hooked but good 🙂

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome, Brian!

    • Tory Christman

      Hi Brian and welcome! So sorry I missed your post, but I was off seeing “Going Clear” another time and busy on the home front here. You say: “Then I saw Tory’s Youtube channel and thought, there’s a nice lady. I
      couldn’t understand how a smart, warm and vibrant personality like her
      could be in a cult for decade and be part of its dirty tricks squad.”

      First off, this was a HUGE education for me on totalitarianism, and how it *actually* works. Basically just as in any weird group, people ‘Helping OSA” including the Vice President when I worked with her, have NO CLUE what is going on in the “other room”. She, as an example, had NO access to the Net in 2000. (I’d send her a magazine link I’d found. She’d reply: Please copy/paste it to me”).

      I mostly worked in PR with OSA, going out to talk with people. I did not believe OSA did “Dirty tricks” Until The DAY I went to leave, and “Someone anonymously cancelled your van to the airport”. ONLY then did I *get* ALL that these critics had been yelling at me when I’d be out there trying to “handle them”. OMG: Maybe it’s true~~!!

      The only thing I did that would come near to “dirty tricks” was open up some anonymous accounts. Even then, my auditor and friend then, Bill Yaude, said: “I’m not going to tell you (when I asked; “What are you going to do with these?” As he said these ‘evil people will get you in Deposition and keep you in there, and you don’t want that do you?” I said “No”. So he said “Good. Then I just won’t tell you and you can honestly say: “I don’t know”.

      Anyways…it IS shocking. You need to learn more about mind control and peer pressure to begin to understand why and how any of this goes on. You can just type in YouTube or Google and find many great videos or articles about both. Welcome and good luck 🙂 Tory/Magoo

      • Brian C. Bock

        Thanks! Actually, I think I know DO understand the process enough to see how people get sucked in. One is Jason Beghe. The way he talks, you’d find it hard to believe he fell for this. But I think he laid it out. One thing they could do to make that a more accessible video is to trim it down and add some inter-titles to explain some of the jargon. I’d been reading for a few weeks and had read Lawrence Wright’s brilliant book, so I think I got a lot of it.

        The other thing that made me “get it” was the Woodcraft family. I sort of wanted to hate the dad for being such a push over but by the end he redeemed himself and along with Astra’s video, I understood how the family dynamic is used against you to pretty devastating effect.

        What I got from you (and the Woodcrafts) was that Scientologists aren’t weirdos, but are really nice people who wanted to do really nice things for other people and had their basic humanity inverted into something kind of dark and unhealthy, and that they need help.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    WHERE THE FUCK IS CAPTAIN HOWDY??????

    • Observer

      I was wondering that earlier. I thought you may have been in touch with him offlines since you hadn’t said anything, but now I know better.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        ;-(

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          He’s officially late in 2 hours then. Hope he at least chimes in with a note.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            He at least owes us a “bugger off” or something.

            • Sherbet

              He needs to expose a troll before he gets out of practice.

    • He said he’d be back in the Spring, right? Which is technically today.

      • Observer

        I missed that.

        • Well I think his exact words were “Things will be back to normal” in the spring.

          • Observer

            I hope he’s right.

          • generic sock account

            I knew it. He suffers from Seasonal Affective Disorder. That’s why he’s always so grumpy.
            Love you Howdy.

            • I haven’t seen him since you last talked to him but then I took like a week off so I dunno when the last time he was around.

            • Sherbet

              A. While.

            • generic sock account

              Me neither. But he wouldn’t have left because I’m an idiot. He’s known that for a while.

            • No, I don’t think he left because you’re an idiot. I think he had someplace to be. Just speculation on my part though.

            • Sherbet

              It’s frustrating, because he probably thinks we’re treating him as a charity case, but the reality is he’s a valuable part of the Bunker, a straight-shooter, and a (dare I say it?) friend to many of us here. That’s why we miss him, not because we’re babying him. Because we want and need him here.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Perfectly said.

            • Sherbet

              But somehow unacceptable to Howdy.

            • Oh, he appreciates it. He just can’t show that he appreciates it.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              xactly. Not that anybody cares about that Howdy. Nobody cares, Nobody!

            • Nope. Certainly not me 😉

            • Sherbet

              Howdy Doody? Howdy podner? How de do? Nope, can’t place the name.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Can’t remember now. Well, Mr Hole just walked in with tacos I send him a text – Bury’s back and now I need tacos. Have fun night crew.

            • Sherbet

              Bon appetit.

            • Taaaaaaccccccccooooooooosssssssssss!

            • Sherbet

              I keep thinking of all the people I’ve worried about in my life, and everything turned out OK. So in this case, that’s about all any of us can do; just keep doing what we’re doing and hope the ol’ bearshark pops in saying All’s well.

            • generic sock account

              Wait a sec. I was trying to baby him. Do you guys get memos that I don’t get? I’d like to be on the same page.

            • Sherbet

              Now you tell us.

            • Sherbet

              I’ll bet Jason Beghe could drag Howdy back to the Bunker.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not so sure after that mangina episode.

            • Sherbet

              I just watched it. Laughing my head off. OK, cancel Beghe.

            • Ardent

              L. Wrong, you have piqued my curiosity: ‘Mangina episode”? Que? It sounds like it could be pretty amusing.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Earlier in the evening, there’s a video posted with Beghe from Californication.

            • Ardent

              Ah, thank you kind sir.

            • Ella Raitch

              Generic sock account – always soooo last week!

            • Sherbet

              I’m grumpy, too, but I’m here.

            • Ardent

              Sherb, you and ‘grumpy’ don’t fit on the same page in my universe…

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I thought you were just mad at your old friend Todd.

            • Missionary Kid

              Maybe when the snow really melts, we’ll see him back.
              Howdy! Get yer ass back here, NOW!
              I’ll bet we’ll hear from him around the 29th.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        So, when the wind shifts, Howdy returns?

    • Ben Franklin

      Somewhere trying to convince the whole world that it was just a dream, he does not exist

      • Sherbet

        Have you been watching “Dallas” again?

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Or the last episode of the Bob Newhart Show?

        • Todd Tomorrow
          • Sherbet

            Now I remember why I didn’t watch “Dallas” the first time around.

            • Ardent

              I shot JR, BTW. While cleaning my gun.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Not Russian roulette?

    • Sherbet

      He once said he was “setting things in motion” or something like that. I assumed he meant he had medical visits lined up or maybe a stay in a rehab or hospital for his health issues. I don’t know how he can go cold turkey on the Bunker. God knows I can’t.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Just hope he has someone to help him through rehab, because that can be a long process and even the smallest every day things are tough or impossible to do without someone there. I think he said he was going to have some help thru one of the facilities, but can’t remember if it included aftercare.

        • Sherbet

          I don’t think a facility could discharge a patient unless they have care lined up. In the case of a couple of family members, someone had to inspect the home for hand rails, loose rugs, a shower seat. Safety and convenience stuff like that.

        • Ardent

          Dear Hole, I thought his issue was diabetes? Does he have a substance problem? If so, the radio silence could well be enforced as he works through the program. If he is in treatment, at least we can be reassured he’s not at Narconon (and I am NOT making light of Howdy).

        • Off topic – did you send me two emails? Just to verify they are from you.

    • He’s hard on those that love him, wherever he is.

    • Ardent

      STILL missing? Shit. Bury, there must be someone here who knows where his ‘Howdy Cave’ is. I strongly suggest a visit in person from a Bunkerite, if at all possible. Does Tony have any idea? Anyone?

      • generic sock account

        Nah man, he’s just taking a break. He’ll be fine. People are only commenting about it because they miss him. I can’t pretend to know him very well, because I don’t, but I’ve chatted with him enough to know that he doesn’t want or need anyone’s help.

        • Ardent

          Well, yes, we all got the curmudgeonly treatment. But I think the issue is a legit concern.
          BTW, did you change your avatar? Have you been around longer than I suppose? Just asking, not ‘sec-checking’.

          • generic sock account

            I was Jimmy3. But I left that life behind to become a superhero. I am the silhouette you see on the rooftop. I am the shield in the darkness. I am the watchful protector. Next time you are not robbed, it was I who made it so. And I’m full of shit, too.

            • Ardent

              HI! Hey, man I thought Jimmy just got zapped by some evil ElRon device. Glad to know you’re fine. OK, now I can read your comments with more comfort. As for being full of shit, I have come to realise that it really doesn’t matter; all that matters is what TYPE of shit one is full of. Har, de har har. Seriously, nice to see you again.

            • generic sock account

              But I really am a superhero.

            • Ardent

              Of that I have no doubt at all. (But really, it is rude to use your X-ray vision in that way…I thought we’d discussed this?!)

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Usually that are the ones that do, sadly.

    • Always Amazed

      Indeed, and where is Baby?

      • Ardent

        I ran into Baby just yesterday, I think. Might have been the day before. She’s fine.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          She’s working the 4-8 shift must be in a relaxing bubble bath. Most likely she;s woopin’ it up with her co-workers like most that work in restaraunts.

        • Always Amazed

          Thanks, good to know. Must have missed her among the daily 1,000+ posts. It’s hard to keep up these days.

          • Ardent

            I kept missing Baby for almost 6 months at one point. It becomes a weird obsession: “where is so-and-so”?…
            I commented recently about how we can become attached to the people here, although we have never really met, can’t even picture the other persons (save avatar clues about, say, likes/dislikes/personality). I am fond of a number of Bukerites. It’s the funny thing about this kind of forum or chat-room, whatever.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              The funny thing when you meet in RL, it’s like long lost friends, with warm hugs and an instant connection. We share a common cause….that can be a powerful, emotional bond.

            • Ardent

              I believe it.

    • stillgrace2

      Amen, Bury! I’m officially worried.

  • dagobarbz

    I just saw Jason Beghe on a show on Netflix, ‘The Finder.’ It was funny because he played a pilot who was in trouble for defending his co-pilot after they both saw a UFO. The episode was called “Little Green Men.”

    (It was actually Xenu in a DC10 with rocket engines)

    • Todd Tomorrow

      DC-8. Dc-10 had three engines and numerous fatal accidents unlike its competition the L-1011.

      • Ardent

        You, too are a plane-spotter? I developed ‘the gift’ in grade school. I used to be able to identify EVERY jet or prop plane that flew over. Now, I get confused about some of the smaller commuter planes by the medium big companies like Bombardier, Fokker, Dash, etc.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I flew for work for years and any chance we got we got on a plane for vacation. I still go out and plane watch at least once a week. Many are starting to look alike since “scare bus” just steals our designs. But I can always tell. Got my nephew into it and last year we flew to Melborne from Cali upstairs on the 744(&47-400) for two days. It was still fun. Like your own private jet upstairs in the 744.

          • Ardent

            I like Airbus jets, actually. They ‘feel good’. My all-time favourite is the hardy old 747, though. A tried and true workhorse. And I like the new Fokker commuter jets as well.
            I once flew Areoflot in the cold war…Not my favourite jet (no idea what make or model, sorry), but it was actually solid.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              All the pilots and crew prefer Boeing jets so I guess they would no best. Remember when they flew their first, fly by wire A-320
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kHa3WNerjU

            • Missionary Kid

              That was again a computer programming error. Fly by wire isn’t bad, but there should be times when a pilot can override the computer. The programming was corrected, but it was a black eye for Airbus, particularly since it was at, I believe, the Paris Airshow.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He was given the wrong numbers to program in. But too late. A vintage 747,had 4 redundancy systems. The MD-80 put all its pressure on a jack screw.

            • Missionary Kid

              Actually, that usually wouldn’t have been bad, because planes often use a single jack screw for trim. The problem was that nobody had followed procedures and lubricated it, so it got stuck.

      • Missionary Kid

        There were a lot more DC-10s built than L-1011s, about 440 (including Air Force tankers) to 250. The L-1011 got screwed because they had depended on Rolls Royce to deliver the engines with the promised performance, and Rolls Royce couldn’t, thus holding up production so that Lockheed got into the game late, leading to order cancellations.

        IIRC, pilots who flew L-1011s loved them. I haven’t looked up the accident rate on the -10, but I believe that in terms of flight hours, the accident rates were not that far apart because the -10 flew so much more. (That’s off the top of my head, and I reserve the right to be wrong.)

        • Science Doc

          Late 80s Dallas L-1011 microburst on final approach, some survivors in the tail.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Pilot error.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, but the nature of microbursts wasn’t as well understood as it is today. As a matter of fact, that accident led to the installation of Doppler radar, as well as microburst detection devices aboard planes like they have now. The training is much more advance.

        • Ardent

          You couldn’t DRAG me onto a L-1011. Not a chance in hell.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Why, for its time it was one of the safest aircraft ever built.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Of the four pioneering wide-body aircraft (Boeing 747, McDonnell Douglas DC-10, L-1011 and Airbus A300/A310 family), the Lockheed L-1011 had comparatively few accidents and a better safety record than its competitors.[58][59][60]

            • Missionary Kid

              I thought the accident where the L-1011 landed in Pensacola Bay because the pilots got caught up in a problem with the gear on approach. No fatalities, but a ruined airplane, IIRC.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              That makes the first Dc-10′ look like a death trap!

            • Todd Tomorrow
          • Todd Tomorrow

            Well one is a mobile eye hospital so if it was either go blind or have eye surgery on one? I guess we’d have to leave you on the tarmac.

            • Missionary Kid

              I forgot, I saw that one in Phoenix when I landed at Deer Valley to pick up a pilot who was delivering a plane.

              Orbis is the foundation that flies it not only to provide surgery, but to train doctors all around the world. The Smithsonian Channel did a short series on it.

              They actually help people, unlike VMs.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          All were pilot error if I was correct. But yes depending on Roll’s which was in bankruptcy killed them.

          • Missionary Kid

            I knew one of the executives at Lockheed, as well as one of my cousins in Sweden worked for SAS, and he declared, to my surprise, that SAS would never buy planes with Rolls engines at that time.

            I believe Rolls has a better reputation now,and aircraft manufacturers try not to have a single source for a engines for new airplanes..

      • Ardent

        You mean I’ve been wrong all these years? (se post below)? I thought L-1011s were deathtraps.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Oh, God know way years ahead in numerous way. It was said by Pan Am pilots that a &$& was like driving an old Chevy but an L1-11 was a Cadillac. Dc-10 people wouldn’t get on after so many accidents.

        • Missionary Kid

          They were actually good airplanes. The late deliveries of the plane doomed it from an economic standpoint.

  • Guest
    • Ben Franklin

      Going Clear is everywhere, there is no stopping. The floodgates are wide open.

    • Cupcakes for Breakfast

      Yes, that is a great one! All these review are like candy to me. More!

      • Candy that’s good for you!

        • Miss Tia

          there’s candy that’s bad? o_O

          • Candy is good. Candy is good. Candy is good . . .

            • Todd Tomorrow

              U OK Artoo?

          • Ardent

            In theory….

          • generic sock account

            Payday bars. Mike and Ikes. Mounds bars. What the hell is wrong with you, Mounds? Why don’t you have almonds like your brother? You suck, Mounds.

            • Ardent

              Use your dirty mind, and generic’s comment is rather lewd.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Might beat the bottom of the bottle yet again.

            • Ardent

              Todd you have left me utterly confounded. NO idea what that meant. 10 points!

            • generic sock account

              He’s either trying to insult me, or he thinks he’s wise and altruistic. But he’s really just easy to ignore.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Hit a nerve did i!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Let’s not troll each other, Todd. We’ll have enough outside trolling as is.

            • generic sock account

              Awwww, you’re right. But I was just about to start lassing out at people. 😉

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He he! You do have a great sens of humor some times!

            • Dear Todd,
              And you post off topic vids and have atrocious grammar. And I am a stuck-up attention seeker. We all have issues but we all have the right to be here and not be trolled as long as Tony will have us. Please try and let it go already. For my sake at least.

            • KNMF

              AlI I ever wanted to be was the one who didn’t know when to quit, but I settled on the guy who won’t shut-up already.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              A someone who has Dyslexia, i don’t think I do too bad. It took a great deal of work, however, I made it through college. So you want to insult me and then do you a favor? We’ll, I’ll just have to roll it over in my mind. As far as I was concerned it was over last night in fact he, (generic sock) helped me find a link I needed.

            • Fine. Nevermind. Forget I asked. Do whatever you want.

            • scottmercer

              I believe one of Al Franken’s campaign promises was to force them to make a dark chocolate Almond Joy, which is what you’re requesting. I wonder if he’s made any progress on that?

            • generic sock account

              No, I just like almonds and coconut. I don’t know why Mounds doesn’t have both. It is aggravating. Almond Joy forever.

            • KNMF

              Many people have an allergy to almonds, but you want to make their love for coconut and chocolate a chancy game whereby their very lives are at stake. real nice guy.

            • generic sock account

              What is the point of eating a candy bar if you’re not willing to risk your life for it? Get over it.

  • Miss Tia

    okay i suck at properly sizing, but i know at least it’s not a huge honkin’ screen grab! scientology going clear link on drudgereport—has a link to that clip with marty within the article…..

    ETA: this is the article it links too… http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/scientology-takes-aim-going-clear-documentary-n325256 point of posting though, it’s on drudge, which no matter your politics, gets HUGE views!!

    • Ardent

      Sorry Tia, I can’t read it. Link, maybe? 😉

      • Miss Tia

        still on drudgereport main page too…..you can view the link there….sorry i resized the drudge image too small….i suck at proper sizing—but knew not to make it huge!

  • I wonder if LA chipped in anything this year?

    From seven years ago:
    City Approves $3,000 in Funding for Church of Scientology’s Ron L. Hubbard’s Birthday Event March 20, 2009, Zach Behrens, LAist

    • Ardent

      Barf.

  • Ardent

    Wow, the enturbulation at Arclight is intense. I feel for the operators there. But in the larger picture, this kind of post-facto raging and whining will not serve the cult well at all. There will be word of mouth tales spreading widely (it is remarkable how powerful and quick word-of-mouth can be!), and since the film is currently a hot property, this foolishness could easily be picked up as a page two or three story in any local paper or news outlet. Another foot-bullet.

  • Remember that ‘thing’ that started when the internet started off properly… it was called six degrees of seperation from Kevin Bacon or something:

    The theory that everyone in the world is six friendships away from everyone else is regarded by many as a myth. So what happens when the theory is put to the test….. The theory that there were “six degrees of separation” between everyone – with each degree being a person they knew – entered the mainstream when John Guare wrote a play of that name, followed by a 1993 film starring Will Smith.

    The following year, a group of US students came up with the party game Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, apparently after a late-night viewing of back-to-back films starring the actor. They began to pick random Hollywood names and then connect the actors to Bacon via films in which both had appeared.”….

    when you play the same game in Hollywood and swap Bacon for scientology it’s literally one, or at the most two or three degrees of seperation… try it

    {Spooky, ed}

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8029774.stm

    • I’m within two degrees of David Miscavige.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        Is that close enough to slosh your drink on top of his head?

        • Nah, I’d put a coaster on his head first.

      • Ardent

        God help you. If he phones up for a loan, refuse him.

      • what’suppressive

        Does that mean if you assassinated him, you could only be charged with second degree murder?

        • Missionary Kid

          I nominate that one for the worst joke of the night. *Shakes his head in amazement*

    • generic sock account

      Scientology was never that big. No matter what Tony writes, someone shows up here and knows one of the principle subjects personally. You wouldn’t even need 6 degrees to make a connection. Probably 2 or 3 at most, to connect every Scientologist to one another.

      • that was kinda my point…

        • generic sock account

          Oh. Well, carry on then.

        • Ben Franklin

          Most scientologists have their entire families involved, plus there are a lot of divorces and remarriages, people constantly being moved from post to post, most hang out with other scientologists with such a small pool of members, one is likely to get in contact with many other scientologists

          • … wasn’t thinking of scientology families, more along something like this

            Marlon Brando… worked with Kubrick on One-Eyed Jacks.. daughter a (tragic) scientologist

            … my thoughts were how actually invasive it actually is…

            • Ben Franklin

              Now I got it.

      • Chee Chalker

        Except for Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun…they were never more than low level employees, who nobody knew and certainly nobody liked. They’re gone and nobody noticed! (Said the three people following Marty through the airport and the men buying Mike’s garbage.). Because nothing says low level employee like 24 hour surveillance!

        • Ardent

          Yeah. Boy they just don’t get irony do they? Or stupidity. Oh well…

          • KNMF

            The reactive mind was George and Martha’s baby and the bathwater was an appreciation for irony, for life, critical thinking skills, independence, love and compassion, stuff like that.

        • Ben Franklin

          There are photos showing Rathbun in his sea org uniform along with other high ranking church officials sitting in a boadroom with Miscavige. I bet the church never even thought that such photos and maybe videos exist.

          • Ardent

            Yeah, I noticed one today while I was doing a YouTube trip. Made me laugh.

            • Ben Franklin

              They lie too much to a point where they don’t even know what lies they have told before.

          • Missionary Kid

            In Going Clear, there’s the two of them singing, “We stand Tall.” Oh, the irony of Miscavige, out in front, singing it.

          • Chee Chalker

            I hope they Photoshop them out (like with Betty Northrup). A. Because Co$ Photoshop jobs are always hilariously bad and B. Because we have already seen the original photos and can prove they were altered.
            Please OSA, if you are reading this, up your stats and go and suggest Marty and Mike be removed from all photos!

    • on a side note I’ve noticed that again it’s been quite a few days now since Krustie tweeted {15th was the last one) and even then her last set of daily tweets were generic ‘ooh, I’m an animal lover” bollocks. As someone who checks up on these things as they often (especially with her) lead to unintended lulz. Previous extended downtimes were easily explained (OTVII – probably on the Freewinds, which she hinted strongly anyway and the visit to the UK, where we had pictures) but this time her radio silence doesn’t seem to have an explanation… unless anybody knows?

      Incidentally are there any reports or photos of her Saint Hill visit anywhere in the more specialised groups?

      • Ardent

        I’m with you, media. Something has got her miniscule attention. Why, oh why do I torture myself with this unhealthy fascination with her demented tweeting and raving? I even change the channel if I see her face, for heaven’s sake. Weird.

        • Ben Franklin

          Hasn’t she been delivering some Scientology course recently in UK and other places?

          • Ardent

            (conceptual projectile vomiting)

          • Tony mentioned that she was sent over to “gee up the troops” or something like that

            • Ben Franklin

              Maybe they are trying to get her away from social media all together. Is Danny still talking tothe media?

            • pretty sure he learned his lesson with ‘that’ interview… his tweets are just lame ass music stuff, nothing of interest… did notice this one though; a shout out to John Oliver re the “big pharma” grievance he had…. which makes me wonder if he’s a fan of the show or was pointed to it as Oliver also seriously takes the piss out of the cult…

              pic

        • it’s like watching those old black and white silent movies where you see the banana sking on the sidewalk and people walking past continually missing it… you then see her appear and you know it’s inevitable… just a matter of how long you have to wait

          • Ardent

            Yes, I see that. True. But I feel an even darker impulse inside me, of which I am frankly not proud. I truly want to see her humiliated, ruined, etc. That goes against every moral principle I hold important. Somewhere along there she crossed some sort of line in my psyche. She just makes me so ANGRY. (I really am ashamed of the depth of my schadenfreude about her).

            • I’m not

            • Todd Tomorrow

              She just keeps pullin’ it in. Didn’t she just complete OT7? That should have shown her something. But her yo-yo dieting sure makes her in the money!

            • Scream Nevermore

              This is basically me talking about Tom Cruise – don’t let it worry you! 😉

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          If it makes you feel any better, Ardent, I have wasted an inordinate amount of time watching the G&E show. This seems to capture the sentiment:

          • Ella Raitch

            Ha – my husband had that t-shirt

      • Ardent

        She’s not that great at grammar’s’s either.

        • KNMF

          you try tweeting while holding a big ham sandwich.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Wow does she mean Humane Society Pinellas?
        Kirstie you are forwarding a enemy line!

    • Ardent

      Too creepy. But the six degrees thing holds a fair bit of water. Odd, isn’t it?

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I just read that scientists are getting set up to start a new round of tests for the LHC. Maybe they’ll find Shelly this time. She’s more elusive than the Higgs Boson.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Nah. She has lack of mass…

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Perfect scio joke!

    • Ardent

      HA! Hey, how about an experiment like this: get that baby up to full warp speed, and collide photons with Miscavige’s head. You’d have a LOT of very confusing particles out of that collision, for certain. Up, down, strange, even “fucking, WHAT??” etc.

  • Clw under siege

    I just drove past the fort Harrison via the Clearwater causeway bridge and was amazed to see Happy Birthday LRH is still lit up on the back of the hotel when will they let it go?

    • Missionary Kid

      When LRH comes back from Target 2. *Snigger*

      • KNMF

        tie a yellow ribbon

        • Missionary Kid

          I think a black ribbon would be more appropriate, whether he comes back, or not.

          • KNMF

            not a brilliant yellow. yellow for cowardice and urine.

    • Ella Raitch

      Awwww first post from a Clearwater poster. Come on in, we won’t bite. And we’d like to keep you if you promise to keep feeding us first hand news of cult activities from their natural habitat. Photos too.

      • Clw under siege

        I’ll do what I can, this cult is killing our city

  • Illinoisian

    Posting these Alexa figures again including the section describing where the visitors to each site are coming from. i-Betty noticed that scientology’s global rank had gone up in the last month, while it’s US rank was going way down, and wondered if they were buying clicks from India. I went back to what I had saved and its pretty clear that, sometime between 2/18 and 3/20, they went back to using click farms in India. Here are the figures for 2/18 and for today, 3/20:

    2/18
    tonyortega.org
    Global rank 106,825
    Rank in United States 24,608

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 66.3% 24,608
    Australia 11.9% 12,959
    United Kingdom 6.6% 36,675
    Switzerland 5.9% 7,589
    Germany 4.2% 57,910

    scientology.org
    Global rank 123,906
    Rank in United States 30,998

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 58.8% 30,998
    United Kingdom 4.2% 69,543

    3/20
    tonyortega.org
    Global rank 92,941
    Rank in United States 22,894

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 70.7% 22,894
    Switzerland 12.0% 3,419
    Australia 7.5% 17,304
    Germany 6.9% 38,570

    scientology.org
    Global rank 115,484
    Rank in United States 40,107

    Country Percent of Visitors Rank in Country
    United States 54.3% 40,107
    India 17.9% 71,806
    Italy 4.8% 59,709

    • Ardent

      So pathetic it goes beyond pathetic.

    • scottmercer

      I guess they have no idea that people can easily figure out what they’re up to.

  • Straight Diet of Kerbango

    I’m looking for “sponsored content” tag on this article, but I can’t find it. Piece of shit puff piece. The reporter slightly redeems himself with the last sentence.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wa-news/scientology-building-new-perth-future-in-rivervale-warehouse-20150319-1m1zp5.html

    • generic sock account

      I can’t believe there are as many as 30,000 West Australians living in India. That’s amazing.

      • Ardent

        Weird, eh?

    • Ardent

      How many times do I have to say this: GET THE FUCK OUT OF AUSTRALIA!
      And, BTW the ‘30,000’ people? Either the number of people clicking on the planning/council site, or a number pulled straight out of you-know-where.

      • what’suppressive

        They have obviously have given up on foot traffic completely. No more free stress tests. The current Org is right in the heart of the CBD, the new one is in a semi industrial and a pretty low socio- economic area. Factories, Pubs and Lunch bars. They will be practically invisible.

    • Ella Raitch

      As I posted when this came out a couple of days ago, this is in a light industrial area of a not very affluent suburb. No foot traffic. The cult is going here to die in Perth, out of public view, away from their Murray St CBD location.

      • what’suppressive

        Whoops sorry Lr, didn’t mean to poach your comment.

      • Straight Diet of Kerbango

        It looks to be an order of magnitude uglier than the Valley Org.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      It does seem like the CO$ wrote this. I felt like I’d traveled back in time, too. “Beauticians”, do Australians still use that word? I haven’t heard it in the US since the 1960’s. And “DVDs – we have over 500 of those”. Now that’s impressive, sounds just like a Blockbusters. Oh wait, didn’t Blockbusters file for bankruptcy and close their shops because DVDs have become antiquated? Ahem…

      And I like how they claim: “30,000 West Australians have expressed an interest in the religion through visits to their website”. How many people have googled ebola in the last 6 months? And how many want to experience it? Same as with $cientology, I reckon.

  • Lady Squash

    Scientology– “Scary as fuck.” That sums it up nicely tipster from ARC Light call center.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    A few years back there was a false rumor circulating that the Arclight was connected with the CO$. In additional to the usual reasons, I wondered if dispelling that rumor, once and for all, wasn’t an extra incentive for the Going Clear booking. And they may view the CO$ attempt at harassment as being good for business.

  • StudentOfLife

    I just watched the Jason Beghe interview with Mark Bunker (while learning from my Bunkerites) for my Friday night entertainment as I have cooled down enough to write how I celebrated L. Ron Hubbard’s birthday at least from a somewhat thoughtful point of view. How does Scientology have a long commercial condemning Going Clear on all these anti-Scientology videos? Do they have to pay for those? I hope so given I went back to the Beghe interview and it was still showing as the ad? The video they showed of all their facilities had not a single person anywhere. Footbullets galore, lol.

  • Ardent

    Well, a very warm and pleasant goodnight to all. And by the way, my new cat has stopped being scared and is happily curled nearby. This is a big deal for me because I am a cat-nut, and don’t feel really at home unless I share the space with a cat or two. So, that’s my news. Peace, Ardent

    • Science Doc

      Love the new kitty!

      • Ardent

        He has a personality. He’s 9, by the way, so has learned wisdom….

        • Science Doc

          I have a 16 year old cat who is smart but not wise.

  • GOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jason !!!!I I wouldn’t want to mess with him, lol

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Can i get the vote for the puppy link, at work.

    • generic sock account
      • Straight Diet of Kerbango

        I’m confused. I though the SCN school was a finalist.

        • Billy Bob

          Washburn academy (or whatever) was dropped or withdrew after making the finals.

        • generic sock account

          They withdrew that for some reason. I suppose they knew they would lose and wanted to spare the embarrassment. I don’t know. But I’ve been told the “Neighborhood Coalition” is also a front, or at least heavily influenced by Scientology infiltration. It’s the MLK Neighborhood Coalition in Tampa, I believe.

          • generic sock account

            Sorry, Clearwater, not Tampa.

          • Straight Diet of Kerbango

            That’s unbelievable that Washburn just pulled out. And good to know about MLK. Not sure how I missed these developments.

            • generic sock account

              I missed them, too. Some kind Bunkerite informed of me of what I had missed. You can usually count on that.

            • Ella Raitch

              I can confirm this development

          • generic sock account

            Alternate theory: they thought they would win this grant quietly, but once it became a topic on here, the order came down to withdraw because they don’t want anyone looking closely into the school.

            • Pan-Deterrentism

              No theories just stupid scientology. If their cycle is stopped that means they are PTS to an SP, so they would rather stop the cycle themselves so they don’t “rollercoaster”. Same thing is happening with the CL ads. They are being taken down. It makes the more causative over the situation. At least in their own psychosis, they feel that way.

            • generic sock account

              But that doesn’t make sense, because they started going after CL even harder after SPs began flagging them. That one fool even wrote an email that Tony posted. Whining about how his CL ads were being flagged and offering advice on how to get by the restrictions.

            • Pan-Deterrentism

              Most of them yes. I’m just saying from a Scientolgist point of view, withdrawing before taking a loss is more causative than losing while the SP’s cheer. Keep that in mind. Of course it doesn’t make sense it is scientology. I’m not going to explain the cycle of action on this forum. It’s a waste of space. I’m pretty darn sure that is what they are doing though. Yes, I remember that email vaguely. It was just a thought. Carry on.

            • generic sock account

              You are an interesting stranger. But aren’t we all.

            • Pan-Deterrentism

          • Scream Nevermore

            The woman who runs the MLK place says they aren’t anything to do with $ciloonery, but she did say that when they were looking for help to do the place up, it was the cult who did most of it, free of charge. Given that they generally only help their own, I’m left wondering if the place has been taken over and she just doesn’t know it!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Not a front, but yes to heavily influenced .

  • MaxSpaceman

    Californication. Season 1, Episode 2: Hell-A Woman

    He (David Duchovny) gets setup with a friend of his former domestic partner, she. At the dinner table, seating 12, in and between conversations, it emerges “she” is: a Scientologist.

    She: Shut up and f*#k me already.
    He_: Are you clear yet?
    She: Shut up and f*#k me!
    He_: You are one kinky thetan!

    • wic

      love this part

      He : Could be worse.
      She :Really? How so?
      He : Well, instead of finding out that your husband was gay, you could’ve found out that he was a scientologist or something like that.
      She :I’m a scientologist, Hank.
      He :Or a Nazi. Or Al Qaeda.

  • what’suppressive

    My new avi is an actual product…. Not a snoop.

    • generic sock account

      I don’t care about that. I only want to know: Do I have to hold the cans while I snort it?

      • what’suppressive

        I thought squeezing those cans was to get a vein…..Scientology can only be main lined.

  • Cindy

    Going Clear made three million in it’s first week of release. That’s enormous for a documentary. Per screen average is $20,000 a day. http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/arthouse-audit-it-follows-is-horror-hit-and-tests-radiuss-vod-plans-20150315

    • Missionary Kid

      Especially since there were only 3 locations. I understand there isn’t much seating in San Francisco, but ArcLight doubled the screens, and was showing it in the Cinerama Dome for some of them.

      If Derek shows up, we’ll have to ask him how many were at his showing, and in which theater.

    • nukethevolcano

      I think its actually $60K estimated? The $3M was a speculation?

    • Missionary Kid

      Gibney tweeted earlier that the gross was $20,000 per venue, but that was early in the week, as was this article, posted the 15th.

      “The church seems to be doing all it can to bring more attention to the film with so many full page ads denouncing it.” *Snickersnort*

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wow

  • Straight Diet of Kerbango

    Going Clear finally became available for DVR recording! On Comcast at least.

    • Jenny Daniels

      And if you’re in PDT, you can catch the east coast feed at 5 PM as well as at 8!

  • Lady Squash

    Whereas Scientology is “scary as fuck” there is apparently some scientific evidence to support the health benefits of a sweat type program. Once again Hubbard borrows from other traditions (sweat lodges by Native Americans and the practice of daily or weekly saunas in Scandinavian countries) and claims them as his own and gets the “science” wrong, still sweat lodges and saunas have been used for both spiritual and health purposes for a long time. So I can see where some New York first responders may have benefited from the Purification Program. Google “Healing Benefits of Sweat Lodge” for more information. And I hate to give Cruise credit for anything, but I believe his heart was in the right place.

    • Are_sics

      There’s a plethora of scientific evidence to support the health benefits of aspirin. And aspirin is derived from white willow bark, which has a hallowed place in ancient herbal traditions, used for both spiritual and health benefits from time immemorial. So I can see where New York First Responders might have benefited more from my own super-megadose-completely-untested-new-near-suicide-levels-of-aspirin-therapy. People sometimes might expunge many impurities and stale blood from their stomachs through their esophagi.

      Maybe you can sell this idea to Tom Cruise, too, and his heart will stay in the right place.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Bam! lol

    • aquaclara

      Google deaths in sweat lodges, too.

    • Rasha

      His heart is in the right place in that it is roughly behind his sternum. His intentions, however, are misguided, misinformed, miscaviged and inappropriate.

  • 0tessa

    0tessa • 7 minutes ago
    Marty Rathbun’s new post: Miscavige ordered Rathbun to install phone taps on Nicole Kidman’s phone.
    Miscavige has blackmail material to prevent Cruise from speaking.
    For some maybe old news, but now Rathbun spoke on NBC Today Show.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Saturday the 21st of March
    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,

    Only SFBay has managed to scrape a couple of removals, the other cities have not scored.
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  • well here’s an interesting little story that involves suicide, scientology and Beck from back in 2008

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/01/suicides200801

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    • Heres a sample… man, talk about a sense of déjà vu

      “The next day, May 11, [Blake] withdrew from the business relationship he had with my boyfriend, claiming that I was a Scientologist and that my masters in Santa Barbara (my parents’ home) were instructing me to defame Theresa.”

      Schlei says that Blake later told him he could provide him with “proof” that O’Brien was a Scientologist, but he never did. In July, when O’Brien came home and picked up her mail, she wrote, Duncan “shrieked ‘cult whore’ and ‘cult hooker’ repeatedly. She was very frightening.”

      ……. Duncan e-mailed a friend in late 2006: “[Beck] really, really tried to get away … using going to NY to be in Alice Underground.… He told me he wanted to leave the cult desperately, and this is what they do when someone knows that.” She was referring here to her perception that the Church of Scientology had been harassing her and Blake. “Never heard of these people. This is completely untrue,” Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw told the Los Angeles Times.

      …… It started, they said, with repeated phone calls late at night. Sometimes the person on the other end of the line would just hang up, and sometimes he would say something to the effect of “Did you have a good meeting today?” Then there were men, Duncan said, who would show up outside their house in Venice Beach, sometimes standing watching them, sometimes sitting in a car. She began taking pictures of out-of-state license plates. It became an obsession. She took “hundreds of pictures.”
      She said that one day a man came up to her while she was walking her Yorkshire terrier, Tuesday (after Weld), and said, “Hey, what a sweet dog. It would be too bad if something happened to it.”

    • TonyOrtega

      Nine years later, still not a shred of evidence that Scientology had anything to do with it.

      • Surely when Karen Pouw says its “completely untrue” isn’t that all the evidence you need?

        • Ben Franklin

          Were they ever connected to Scientology at one point? The reason why I am doubtful as well is because Scientology just doesn’t go after random people. The level of attention described in the article would be the kind of attention normally reserved for people who are really really starting to step on the church’s toes.

    • EnthralledObserver

      That is curious…

    • aquaclara

      This is a great story. The whole tale. And LeBus makes GREAT bread, btw.
      Good for him for getting out.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Is Mr Miscavige considering sticking his head above the parapet? It’s a couple of years since Tony wrote about him possibly emerging into the public eye…

    • 1subgenius

      That’s kind of major.
      I bought his book just so I could write a review, which I haven’t gotten around to yet.
      It will be to the effect of “Mr. Miscavige is the father of the head of Scientology. He has a story to tell, and I wish he would tell it.”

      • My impression Dan is referring to Ron Jr. I could be wrong.

        • 1subgenius

          Oh, oops.
          I still want to write that review.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Verrrry interesting. Thanks for spotting this. Mind blown before first coffee.

  • aquaclara

    The arc light story is another powerful sign of the forces for good that are all aligning around this story. A few years ago, a theater might well have reconsidered their decision to show an anti- Scientology pic.
    Thanks, Alex, Lawrence, Tony, HBO and everyone who worked to make Going Clear possible.

    Thanks, exes, for not buckling under pressure. Your stories are like no others, and will not be forgotten.

    Bye, bye, cult. This is what a shredding looks like.

  • Larissa Pearson

    We have a lovely Theatre in Dallas called the Angelika, please, please, play it there! Ha!

  • flyonthewall

    test

    • EmmaDaoust

      I had not seen your lego masterpieces before, fly. Can I come over to play at your house? Oh and I also realize now that lego men have hands just made to hold the cans.

      • flyonthewall

        You never saw them before, really? Cool. I wouldn’t call them masterpieces, the photo quality has a lot to be desired. I’m still learning. I put them up on this blog of mine, the link is below. All the sets except for the Apollo ones, like this one, are there. Enjoy! And of course you can come over to play 🙂

        http://thebrickcult.com/

  • Tory Christman

    Jason is always funny, just naturally. However, in “Going Clear” each time I saw it, people roared a few different
    times at things he said. He’s excellent in the documentary. 🙂

  • Robert

    Jason Beghe is the best! I loved listening to him speak out on youtube! I finally woke up after 32 yrs in the “church”. I was always told not to look at anything negative on the internet regarding scientology . I just figured the negativity was from a handful of people who never read anything from LRH and just wanted to make some noise.
    I had just paid for the “new” objective course since the first one I did years prior was no longer being used so I went online searching to see what other Scientologist who did the service thought about it .. I began to see people like Jason Beghe, Leah Remini, Pat Haggins and others that had left the “church” and decided to listen to their stories with an open mind… Well what an eye opener . I began to watch and listen to other Sea Org members and their stories and I could see there was a pattern here. The more I researched the more I woke up . It all made sense now.
    Thank you to all who had the courage to speak out.