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Tonight on ‘Scientology and the Aftermath’: When the fraud & abuse becomes overwhelming

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Last night, A&E fed the huge fascination for its new series, Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath with a remarkable sneak peek of tonight’s third episode. The network played the first fifteen minutes of the episode, which featured Remini and Mike Rinder explaining to executive producer Alex Weresow how Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom” was laid out, including the ludicrous prices that Scientologists are expected to pay.

We’re super impressed with how Remini and Rinder have convinced a bunch of reality-TV folks used to less serious fare (Weresow’s previous credits include Celebrity Wife Swap) to create a show that is methodically and systematically taking apart the Scientology story, from how it sucks people in and takes over their lives to how it rips families apart.

In tonight’s episode, Remini and Rinder keep the education going with their explanations about how Scientologists must pay enormous amounts, often for courses that they’ve been forced to redo, or for books that they already own copies of. Members also pay ridiculous amounts to be interrogated so that the church has a file of their most damaging secrets. “You may be paying someone $800 an hour to sit and interrogate you,” Rinder says. “If you keep doing that to someone, you get them to the point where they will say basically anything in order to put an end to it.”

But the real star of the episode is Florida mom Mary Kahn, who surprised us with how wretched her situation turned out to be. Mary told her story at Mike Rinder’s website two years ago, and last year she held a reception for us in her Clearwater home when we were in town with Paulette Cooper for our book tour.

Based on what she’d written at Rinder’s site, we knew that she’d had a familiar story of joining Scientology enthusiastically in her twenties in 1973, then going up the Bridge (twice, because of re-dos), until the disillusionment set in during the David Miscavige era. Her experience on Scientology’s private cruise ship, the Freewinds, for OT 8 was particularly dreadful. And then, like so many others, Mary was energized by Debbie Cook’s infamous 2012 letter about Miscavige’s shortcomings.

What we didn’t realize, however, was how tortuous Scientology made it for Mary to finally leave the organization. For more than a year after she left in May 2013, Scientology operatives tried to convince her husband, David Kahn, to divorce her and stay in the church. In the show, he admits that he considered it, if only because he didn’t want to lose contact with their younger son, Sammy, who was a dedicated Scientologist. (Their older son, Michael, was not a Scientologist.)

Mary tells a visibly disgusted Remini and Rinder how she managed to get through a final showdown with church officials at Scientology headquarters, which resulted in her being “declared” a “suppressive person,” an enemy of the church. David Kahn explains how he “strung along” the same church officials for as long as he could before he, too, was declared last year.

And that’s how they both lost their son, Sammy, who has now disconnected from them. Despite spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in Scientology and being a member for 40 years, Mary Kahn couldn’t keep her family from being ripped apart. And she can barely keep it together as she describes the anguish she experienced at the hands of church officials, calling it mental abuse.

And then, on camera, there’s an emotional breakdown that stunned us.

We won’t tell you more about it except that it was a moment we weren’t expecting, and it drove home for us how much pain many former Scientologists are carrying with them.

It’s a powerful hour of television, but we were left with a few questions after it. So last night, we called up Mary and David Kahn and their son Michael to ask them to fill in a few details.

We asked Mary to tell us a little more about her son Sammy. He’s 25, and he’s a very dedicated church member (he’s reached the mid-range goal of “Clear”), but he doesn’t work for the organization. Mary explained that Sammy joined the Sea Org briefly, but didn’t finish its brutal monthlong boot camp, the Estates Project Force. Then he was on staff at the Belleair mission, but that didn’t last long either. Today, he’s living in Virginia and working for a company that’s owned by a Scientologist. He moved there, Mary says, to get away from his parents.

He was still living with them as recently as three years ago. “We had Christmas with both Sammy and Michael in 2013,” Mary says. But even then, she could see that he was pulling away from her. He told her repeatedly that she needed to “handle” her problems with the church.

“In early February 2014, he hugged me goodbye. ‘Don’t do anything weird, mom,’ he said. He hugged me, but it was pretty cold,” she says. She hasn’t seen him since.

In March 2014, Mary posted her story on Rinder’s blog.

For another year, she says, the church worked at David, trying to get him to divorce her.

“I was stringing them along,” David says. “I was trying to walk the thin narrow line, but ultimately that wasn’t possible.”

They say that the church drew a line in the sand in July 2015: Divorce Mary, or David would be declared as well. He finally stopped acting like it was a possibility and stood by his wife.

Since then, Michael, 28, is the only one who has heard from his brother, because he’s not a Scientologist and hasn’t been declared an SP.

“I haven’t talked to my brother much since this happened, even though I’m the one who can, technically,” Michael says. “I’m mad at him. But I’m afraid if I said what I really think he’ll disconnect from me. And there’s some pressure on me to stay the only link to him.

“At one point I was being more direct. I was telling him how I was ashamed of him and I couldn’t believe what he was doing,” Michael adds. “He said that mom can just go back in and it will be all over. But I told him it’s like torture for her. You’re asking her to give up to the torturer. She’s never going to do that. it’s ridiculous.”

We were struck by how Scientology has such a hold over a young man who is only 25 years old, does not work for the organization, and who doesn’t have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in it like his parents did. We asked them, what keeps Sammy so firmly inside Scientology that he would turn his back on his own family?

“He doesn’t know how to live without it,” Mary says. “And he thinks that there’s something in the OT levels that he’s really going to like.”

“He’s being manipulated by the way the thing is set up,” David says, “He’s convinced that he’ll lose his ‘eternity’ otherwise.”

David says that before his son disconnected, he tried to bring up with him the news about the organization that has been leaking out about it in recent years.

“I tried to have a conversation with him about the fact that the church wasn’t expanding. I said, either the technology is good and it’s being misused, or the technology doesn’t work. Either way, it’s a problem,” he says. “Sammy didn’t want to have that conversation. He had promised to have it when it looked like I was going to get declared. I ran into him about six months later, in a grocery store, and he denied that he promised to have that conversation.”

So for now, they sit and wait, hoping that their son begins to see what’s really going on with his church. They can only hope that he tunes in tonight.

We’re looking forward to your comments as the show airs. Please join us in the comments at 10 pm Eastern for the show, which airs on the A&E network.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on December 13, 2016 at 17:25

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • SarahDB

    Leah, giving me a purpose and a new fight

  • SarahDB

    can’t just sit around

  • SarahDB

    DM is a coward, he just removed them from power

  • SarahDB

    Ron Miscavige!!

  • chukicita

    Next episode DM! Undisputed dictator! Ron Miscavige!

    • A True Prince

      DM is a epitome of the word coward!!!

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Twitter: I can’t enough of Leah Remini and Scientology the aftermath. I can’t wait to watch them fall before they ruin any more lives.

  • Vaquera

    Next week gonna be gooooood.

  • SarahDB

    Sammy denies he was compelled to disconnect

    • Eivol Ekdal

      You can stop now

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      If you are fully indoctrinated and you believe “your eternity depends on doing scientology” you will do it yourself as a supposed “self determined action” but it will be always based on Hubbard’s bullshit fraud.

      I know. I did it too. And I deeply regret it and always will. As someday will Sammy.

  • SarahDB

    cherch about Mike Rinder, Leah is reading from a letter

    • Narapoid

      Yeah, after watching him weep in pain at Mary’s families story, sure, it’ll work. It’ll totally handle him.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    Airing Episode 2!

  • Aaron Smith-Levin

    He denies it, so okay cool then.

  • chukicita

    And now they are replaying episode 2

  • SarahDB

    disclaimers again!!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      woah

  • SarahDB

    and I”m done!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      ๐Ÿ™‚

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      you done good! No, make that you done awesome! Thanks!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thanks.

  • madame duran

    OT: Alan Thicke is dead at 69.
    2016 is a mean bitch.

    • HTC

      Shit!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      A really sad year. RIP Alan.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      2016 is pretty much vying for Butthole Year of the Century.

    • FredEX2

      What?!!! Oh my. Just saw him on a commercial recently.

    • LongtimeLurker

      That is crazy young.

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    Leah Remini doing Yoemans work responding to Twitter questions. Crusty alleys Twitter feed, completely silent.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      some of us should stop by kirstie’s twitter and just type: crickets

      • chukicita

        Frogs.

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          plague of frogs

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        or: crickets #ScientologyTheAftermath

        • LongtimeLurker

          Done.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Next ep, Remini goes after DM himself?! Somebody pinch me. I’m dreaming, right?

    • A True Prince

      Not to mention that his Dad will have some words as well.

    • Liberated

      Can’t wait.

  • A True Prince

    Need to petition for another eight more shows.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      my bet is this will be renewed / such a gangbuster success, this season //// and our tony sure has shown us the important exposure is continual, extreme, and extensive

  • FredEX2

    Mike Rinder,

    You are an honorable man and it’s clear to see how painful it is for you to do this series. Seeing a glimpse of your broken heart tonight…for Mary and her family…and your own family…only makes us love you more for the compassionate man of integrity that you are. You know what is true…I hope you hold that in your heart and hold on…and Scientology be damned.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hear hear. Mike, you’re good people, man.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      huzzah / mike is amazing and it is so valuable to see him showing such emotion – so very valuable to so many; so helpful / such a healer he is

  • chukicita

    Oh, Mary and Mike. Yes, I said Mike. Hugs from my heart.

  • Aaron Smith-Levin

    This show is so freakin’ good. Emmy for sure.

    • gtsix

      Agreed. Each episode is better. As a ne’er in… I know the history, I have never felt the emotion like this series brings.

      Bravo Leah and Mike. Brafuckingvo!

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Hi Aaron, please talk to Karen de lacarriere about child KRs if you haven’t done so recently. Love your videos.

  • HTC

    Turning and signing off. This shit is so negative at bedtime. Wishing peace love and strength to all the oppressed

    • pluvo

      Just think about that the more is exposed the more people get warned and the cult shrinks.

  • scnethics

    Mary reminds me, them getting your money, that’s just a side-effect. They don’t get your money without owning YOU.

    • MarcabExpat

      “He loved Big Brother.”

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      ^^^^ They make you value this fantasy, then threaten that to make real world money. To keep you in line. and keep promising that the fantasy will actually deliver. So fucking evil.

  • MarcabExpat

    COME ON ITUNES WHY WAIT.

  • Vaquera

    That was hard to watch.
    A helpless feeling.
    My sternum hurts.
    Someone pass the Ativan.

    • FeeIsMe

      Ativan encrusted tissues…

      • Vaquera

        Ativan laced merlot

        • Liberated

          You just gave me a great idea.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Kickstarter!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Breathe…

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      pop pop pass

  • New ‘Aftermath Letters’ re Mary: “we’re no worse than the Amish or the Mormons” bullshit about disconnection. Starting to build up into a real damned-out-of-their-own-mouth footbullet indictment now: http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/exclusives/aftermath-letters

    • FredEX2

      Interesting that it used to be outright denial…now they are saying…”we aren’t that bad” and they’re comparing themselves to the Mormons and the Amish”. OMG really?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Jebadiah Miscavige?

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      we the church no worse than the Amish and the Mormons …. and just as bad and worse than the jehovah’s witnesses with their disfellowship and hidden pedophilia by the higher ups

  • Baby

    Would someone Post Leah dancing to Roar..I can NOT find it on Youtube ..errrrrrgh.. Everything but.. Was it removed?

    • Qbird

      Roar? https://youtu.be/yoO6kNiiqjQ this the one that u want?

      • Tony Ortega

        No, she’s in a red dress as I recall.

        • Tony Ortega

          Sorry, white dress

          • Qbird

            ends up in the white dress. Marionette’s dark dress to begin. can’t find it.

            You posted it & wrote on it.

          • Qbird

            link does not work for me

      • Baby

        Yes.. buried in there at 5 min 11sec..

        They used to do the whole dance alone.. Season 17 episode 5 with Leah’s ROAR. Thanks Bird.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Leah is fearless!!

    • Liberated

      You will get in big trouble for watching that show.

      Bring it on!

    • Qbird

      That’s not the one, is it? i know which one you want to see again & i can’t find it neither.
      The Marionette one, she in black to begin & then breaks free into a beautiful white dress.
      Danced to the Katy Perry…Roar song.

    • Vaquera

      I posted it up thread.

      • Baby

        Of course you did.. you are always way ahead of me!

  • FredEX2

    Mary Kahn, as hard as this was for you to tell your painful and profound story…you did a wonderful job ….and a wonderful thing that will help others.
    โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ

  • Dyan Shane
    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      DM is not worthy of that gloriousness

    • pluvo

      This DM shaming things don’t fit here in the comments section now which is all about Leah’s series and the people who are involved, IMO.

    • Chee Chalker

      Miscavige wishes he was that tall

  • SarahDB

    Night everyone! *waves*

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thank you.

    • Qbird

      omg – good job dear heart! Bravo! standing, clapping
      sleep tight!

  • itsIBBy

    Home in time for the west coast showing. I decided to dvr it for when I’m not so strained and over emotional. Keep fighting Leah. And Rinder… class act. He will forever be trying to right wrongs

  • TooDangerous2

    Truth:

    “And then, on camera, thereโ€™s an emotional breakdown that stunned us.

    We wonโ€™t tell you more about it except that it was a moment we werenโ€™t expecting, and it drove home for us how much pain many former Scientologists are carrying with them.”

    • mikecrosby

      And that would be about Mike? Yeah, that was something. What a good man.

  • Vaquera
  • Tony Ortega

    Here you go, Baby…

    Ah, rats. Disney pulled it down.

    • Vaquera
      • Qbird

        there it is! tks vaq

        • Vaquera

          il n’y a pas de quoi

      • Baby

        SHE DOES THE EYE OF A F*CKIN TIGER. ..AND ROARING SHE DOES..

    • Jimmy3

      That’s why ducks don’t wear pants.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Are the voting lines still open?

    • Baby

      Thanks anyway Tony.. I can’t imagine how you are feeling now. All you have ever wanted is the FACTS to come out.. And you kept bringing them..

      And they will keep on coming. Woo hoo..

      • Vaquera

        I posted it a few comments down, hon.

  • Baby
    • Tony Ortega

      No, that’s the AMA last month. I mean the special 1-hour TV show.

      • Baby

        shit..sorry.. During commercial they announced that Reddit was going to have a question and answering session with Leah.. on Monday. Reddit AMA ..

        ( I found this on twitter)

        • Vaquera

          Yes, but it said that she was going to answer questions that she didn’t get to in the first reddit and that this second one is going to be on TV.

          • Baby

            Yes.. that’s right.. I thought that was the special Tony was talking about..Tex..

            • Vaquera

              It is

  • Narapoid

    I was only following our good members sharing tonight and still feel pissed, angry but so grateful that it is getting this gargantuan audience. When I fell in this rabbit hole 3 years ago (just before Leah blew), I could never have imagined TUML, Going Clear and a FRICKIN’ 8 PART TV SERIES! It was like being in a wilderness and so many brave souls sharing stories so awful as to stretch credulity… and it seemed like the world didn’t care about Tom Cruise’s weird “church”. But there was Tony O delivering every day, often twice getting the word out.

    I marvel at what Leah has wrought. Right in the teeth of it and by God, I hope for an Emmy for that much more of the fig leaf to be blown away.

    But, I gotta long day tomorrow and I recommend some Alton Brown and any episode of good eats to spool down with when you have to cool off to sleep.

  • PickAnotherID

    Leah came out with a key statement in tonights episode, “It’s a business.”

    And way back in 1989 the Supreme Court of the United States said the same thing, just using more words:
    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/490/680/case.html

    And no business should be allowed to destroy families and create the kind of heartbreak being shown in these shows, and that we’ve known about for years on the internet. Especially on tax free dollars SCOTUS said they shouldn’t even have.

    It’s way past time for the IRS to pull it’s collective head out, and scrap the 1993 Closing Agreement with $cientology they never should have entered into to begin with.

    • CK

      Yeah, there was a lot of arm-twisting in that matter. Then DM’s triumphant speech. What dirt did Co$ have anyway to gain the tax-exempt status?

  • Dyan Shane
  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    I assume, or at least surely hope that all of Leah’s interactions with the LAPD are video recorded. That would be powerful television and further expose DM.

    • CK

      I always imagined her saying “Where’s Shelly?” in that Carrie Heffernan voice.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      ooo deeply brilliant – a full video showing of her furthered (and stalled?) dealings with the LAPD concerning Shelly

  • madame duran

    If anyone is on Twitter, I suggest you save the hashtag “#scientolotea” and check out the comments (“tea” is slang for gossip, juicy information, the scoop, news). Funny yet true, raw reactions.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      thank you for sharing that tea about the spilling of the tea ///// yours is the best tea party i’ve been to in a long time

  • Dyan Shane
    • CK

      But the Munchkins meant well…

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        you sure? that lollipop guild …. i’m highly supect

        • CK

          They were also kind of like the hapless souls in the Sea Org, if you think about it.

          • MaxLuvsDaBunk

            that ornery one, though, a bit too miscavigesque for me / especially with all of the true life horror aspects of the wizard of oz

            • ExCult.Jan

              The wizard behind the curtain would be a much more apt shoop.

  • Dyan Shane
    • Dyan Shane

      Annnnddd thatssss all folks!!!

    • pluvo

      WTF – are you trolling with cheap DM shoops?

      • Dyan Shane

        Cant help it if you like DM, thats your issue.

        • MarcabExpat

          Wash your mouth out before you talk to ex-SO like that.

          • pluvo

            He doesn’t know… he just tries to be funny.

            • MarcabExpat

              “Tries” being the operative word.

        • pluvo

          Yeah sure …. because of him I was detained for 15 months on the very ship Mary was talking about … surely I like him.

          • Dyan Shane

            Then you of all people should not be a bully, because that is how YOUR treating me. I put up a few funny pics, i was done, who are you to act like you own this site, and just because you say you were there and detained, i question, because you would not treat others in such a way.

            • pluvo

              I didn’t bully you, I said my opinion about your shoops. So as you tell me your opinion now.
              Do you have anything to say about Leah’s series and the people involved? You are free to question what every you want.

            • Dyan Shane

              Oh, so cussing at me is not bullying? Calling me a troll?
              oh, and thank you for your permission to talk about the show now.

            • pluvo

              Dyan, I ASKED you if you have anything to say about the the show (do you?), That’s different than “permission”. Whatever. Peace. I wish you well.

            • Dyan Shane

              Why don’t you have Tony Ortega authenticate your story, it should be quite fascinating.
              15 months at sea against your will, why that should be a movie of the week!

            • pluvo

              My story was told on another site. This is not about my story. This back and forth doesn’t get anywhere (also disqus is frequently swallowing my posts and I have to refresh to open your replies). I want to catch up with the comments and twitter comments. So I’m done here.

            • Dyan Shane

              Sure it was. And that is the reason you go around here beating your chest, cause you got that story, right!

            • Qbird
            • Qbird

              Just because you’re invited to an argument doesn’t mean you have to attend.
              now ~ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a4f9c33a59d17bd34770aae2f3ff7aa34278d0bccc1b379106b61f437b7bf28.jpg

            • ExCult.Jan

              Um, no, actually, ‘WTF’ is common blog post shorthand, and is a looong way from bullying, even if delicate flowers such as yourself grow faint from a little blog ‘cussing’.

              Acting like a victim does not make the other person a bully. If you were hoping for a different reaction to your shoops, whining won’t help. Better shoops would.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Whoa! Chill, dude. Methinks…

          • ExCult.Jan

            Damn.

  • Bob

    As an under the radar who still has contact with the walking bots I was emotionally saddened by the episode and at the same time joyful that these stories are getting out. I can totally relate to the family issues.
    Hubbard created a trap that’s hard to get out of. The on going efforts of people like Tony, Mike, Leah and so many others are pulling what little teeth are left in the monster called Scientology. Soon it will be biting with slobbery gums that couldn’t hurt a fly.

    • CK

      Mike especially; he had to literally start over with a second wife and kids.

      • Bob

        Yes. It was hard to not cry when Mike started crying.

        • pluvo

          You know Bob, you can cry, it is ok.
          My emotions were frozen still for a long time after I left (S.O.) till something triggered and I got a crying fit. It was a release to be able to cry again and my emotions were free – I had the feeling I regained part of my life.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I hate Scientology’s anti-emotion effect.

            Good for you.

            • pluvo

              You get labeled “down tone” (one of the many negative labels). Also around DM and his RTC and CMO staff there is a cold-chrome-steel, no-sympathy atmosphere.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Just terrible, pluvo.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      ….. what little *rotting* teeth are left ….

      • Bob

        Yes, and miscavige baby teeth that will all fall out.
        I wouldn’t want to be around the tiny tyrant tonite.

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          so many new bruises, so many new throttles and chokes

          • Bob

            Yes, as the bots are oblivious.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
      • Bob

        Ha! Bark with no bite.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Wth…

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          It’s the Abominable Snowman–post a series of tooth extractions by an elf turned dentist–from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. It’s an American Xmas classic!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Oh, I think I know it.

            Just out of context, it looked like some terrible Soviet Muppets ripoff from the Cold War.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    I will go to bed with thoughts and wishes for reunited families.
    Goodnight All.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Good night, Eivol. I still have 20 mins left at work, then drive 20 mins to get home, then wind down with a glass of something alcoholic, then go to bed.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Cheers.

    • Qbird

      idk how you done did that, but you did. Thank you Eivol. XO

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
    • been there done that #Footbullet

    • how dare she barge into these homes w/ cameras rolling and demand that all these different people tell their own gut-wrenching stories … over … and over … and over

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Right? I mean…who does that?

    • Frodis73

      I can’t watch the videos, but I read the text. Totally revolting.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I can’t do it. I can’t go there. My anger will swallow me whole.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Absolutely vile human beings. Despicable that they used that boy in that way. And Ben…what a used car salesman. Apologies to used car salesmen everywhere for associating you with this dirt bag.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Everything about scientology is tragic.

    • madame duran

      It wasn’t that long ago when little rage-boil Tommy Davis was berating John Sweeney for disrespecting “these highly esteemed women” (Leah Remini was among the group at the time being interviewed by Sweeney). Funny how Remini is no longer held in high esteem by the cult. Better for her, I think.
      Scientology inserts cameras, microphones and a host of spying eyes into private family matters ALL THE TIME. Violating confidentiality by releasing info from an ex-Scientologist’s confessional auditing file is pretty invasive. Hypocrites.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        My upvote covers everything you said, but I feel l need to call out “rage-boil” for a special commendation.

  • mikecrosby

    Watched episode 3. Perhaps I’m wrong, but this Scientology thing is imploding. Idiots like Travolta and Cruise won’t watch even a show of this series, but one can’t keep one’s head in a hole forever. There’s just too much truth swimming around all the lies. And to all the great people who tell their stories, hopefully soon this cult can fade to oblivion.

    • CK

      I feel genuinely happy for those who choose to voluntarily leave–Leah Remini and Jason Lee being more notable recent examples.

      You are right; Co$ in its current form is not sustainable, and DM is not a well man.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s been imploding for years. It just takes a while because of all the money involved.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Basically good people.
      The mind trap can be very enticing and hold like a vice welded shut. Maybe someday a finely tuned laser will cut through to the real personality and Boom Kapow Zip their families universes will return freed of the bonds of insanity.

  • Newiga

    That was yet another powerful episode. *sniff* Thank you Leah, Mary and Mike. xxoo

    • Newiga

      PS. I’m so tired but it was totally worth it. Off to work!

  • MaxLuvsDaBunk

    oh dear – the part of episode 2 is coming up wherein mike’s mom says she’ll always love him and he’ll always be her blue eyed baby boy

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      in her last letter to him

  • Baby

    f5 ( Tony You are included under all others.. Ran out of room..bawwwwwwhahahhaa )

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4662bc0ee493a11c273060992faf6352bc48f7e7bf908371f49d75eeda9a8346.jpg

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      tony flows in, through, and around all / he permeates, yo

      • Baby

        Yes.. That is my thinking also Max.. You don’t think of Scientology without thinking of Tony O..

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          in so many ways our tony truly is the foundation, the glue, and the tapestry of all of those fighting and working for healing and awareness, the freedom of those still captive, and the destruction of that horrible cult and the endings of its devastations

          • Baby

            Amen Max.. that sums Tony up perfectly..

            • MaxLuvsDaBunk

              i’m getting choked up in reflection of his devotion and his value and impact

        • daisy

          Baby can we do it the other way around. I do not know how to load in a new e-mail address but if you send me a note I can load it off of that . It is You can take yours off.

          • Baby

            Sweeet..

          • Baby

            got it honey

  • iampissed

    Be quite….wife is watching second episode after third

    • Liberated

      Okay.

  • Baby

    Night everyone. What a gut wrenching episode. Mary .. there are no words. You are in my thoughts sweetie as well as your family. Love baby

    • Newiga

      Night, Baby! Sweet dreams. xxoo

      • Baby

        Hi Wigie.. just woke up..ha

        • Newiga

          Stupid timezones. I need to time my visits better so I get to hangout with you!

  • M from Toronto

    Anyone who’s read my posts may recall my very good pal from our Uni days, referred to as My Girl from Bed-Stuy. She messaged me after the show to say:
    “Never come at a chick from Brooklyn. You come at us, we’re only gonna take out our earrings.”

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      earrings out, stilleto fingernails intact

      • M from Toronto

        …Razor blades in the hairโ€ฆ. or so My Girl From Bed-Stuy and I have heard, allegedly!

  • madame duran

    On Twitter: Leah’s show inspire people to block Scientology ads and cult’s Twitter account. Scientology also blocking Twitter users for voicing criticism against it. People posting results.

    https://twitter.com/Jessica26603/status/808901332035891200
    https://twitter.com/love1eyedkitty/status/806382892544827392
    https://twitter.com/deen719/status/808879401169321984
    https://twitter.com/wannacruize/status/808902978753232896

    • Frodis73

      This show is huge…I only fear so many will forget once it is over. I’m such a pessimist!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        My fear is similar: that most viewers are just rubbernecking and will move on as soon as the next train wreck comes along. But people have been asking her good questions on Twitter. I’m trying to keep a glass-half-full perspective.

        • Frodis73

          They are asking good questions.

      • M from Toronto

        My mother had an interesting point, she said ‘Some stars have a really natural charisma that wraps around their fans, this lass strikes me as one of those, she connects with the public so strongly.’
        I think that’s true, and in many ways, that’s why this is going to linger.
        When I explained about Leah leaving the CO$, my neighbour, who never watched King of Queens, thought for a minute and said, ‘Oh, the pretty girl who was on Diagnosis Murder, the student character.’ Leah was on an episode in 1995. That is the kind of thing you can’t bottle, so I think her being the one who has exposed this to many new people will make a huge difference.

        • Frodis73

          Wow! Great memory.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        and continue to see cruise and travolta movies and watch kirstie’s tv (if she has any!) work and the others…

  • Frodis73

    Another OT-Tonight on Nightline they are doing a story about the war on drugs in the Philippines. Trump is buddies with the madman in charge of this…Duterte’s answer to drugs is to murder drug users. Trump invited him to America so they could discuss this topic.

    • Liberated

      Oh I know, trump likes that nut-case.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I just lost a long reply to that. I am here in the Philippines and the locals would walk right through the false picture you have arrived with. Drug dealing mayors, killing competing police chiefs for interfering with their customers is the common back story of the locals here. The bullet hole in our food is evidence of it. The advice to me is you can’t go to the police or mayor or council person with concerns about the corruption I notice because the entire family I am staying with will have to run into the coconut forest, for their life for my speaking up
      No, Duterte does not WANT to kill drug users he wants to warn all corruption including the a for mentioned to stop killing the innocent. And since they don’t listen but keep killing their innocent fellow children and neighbors he is being attacked for the outspoken stance of enough is enough. Lay of the the destructive illegal killing of your neighbors and if you fight back or flee when what little of fair law enforcement want to restrain you then you will be stopped.
      700,000 plus people turned themselves in within days of his getting on the job.
      Mayor and councilors are doing the same.
      I am in the midst of this, giving a lot of thought and planning how to stay safe each day yet no one around me touches drugs.
      It is more complex for sure, but be careful you don’t be mislead by mainstream agenda driven media. Please. My life also depends on truth or propaganda.
      Anyhow, sorry for the diversion, but I spent 37 years in Scientology and was blinded to the truth through the use of propaganda both from the organization and the vested interest lies of those ” freed OT completions.
      No anger at you. But the reality best as I experience it is worth me having my say.

      • Frodis73

        I am so sorry you do not feel safe! I can only imagine. I will look into what you are saying because this hits close to home for me, I am an addict and will be til the day I die. We have made so much progress in trying to change minds that treatment is the *only* thing that works. It scares the hell out of me that Trump wants to kill what progress has been made and step up punishment.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Thanks and bless you. treatment is available here and all are encourage to get treatment. It was again announced by dutere yesterday just show up at social services. Another billion allotted for treatment.

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    Thanks all in the show and all here at the bunker for the attention, words of care and compassion at this time. It is uplifting and helps so much with the pain and brings a lot of hope that Scientology will cease its spreading of harm. They definitely are not a charity and not entitled to their atrocious behaviors.
    I hope to get to see episodes 2 and beyond soon.

  • Liberated

    What a night…that was one powerful show.
    Thank you Leah.

  • Vaquera

    I hope Kirstie’s child never experiences the disconnection pain Mary and David Kahn have endured.

    https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/808891336552312833

    • ExCult.Jan

      Or Tom’s.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Or Jenna and Bodhi’s.

    • R2TX

      If you’re supposed to be able to rid yourself of mental and physical disease, why is that she’s never been able to successfully keep weight off. Guess she still has a lot of crimes.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    So, Travolta and his usual weak sauce defense notwithstanding…all quiet on the celeb clam front? Not even Danny Fucking Masterson can be bothered to toss a few pearls to the press? What good are these “brand ambassadors” if you can’t trot them out for an instant PR boost in times of crisis?

    Rhetorical questions, all, of course.

    • Qbird
      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I did. The usual weak stuff from poor JT. I don’t understand why he keeps trotting out the line about how CoS handlers “never left his side” during his periods of emotional crisis. Deep down in his gut somewhere, he’s got to feel that’s not right.

        • Qbird

          Speculating bc idk jackshit: They serve him & have always served him
          ‘spiritually’… what have you.
          I think perhaps that rich folks are quite used to being served by others.
          For him, this would be ‘normal’.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            That’s true–I guess the celebs are used to having assistants at their beck and call. Start with a healthy foundation of indoctrination, and a CoS handler hovering over you 24/7 might not seem like so much of an intrusion.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              it’s shocking that they seemingly DO NOT DIFFERENTIATE between a ass kissing from hollywood yes people and a ass kissing beyond over the top from their “religion” or ANY RELIGION/CHURCH/FAITH??!! a “religion” of all things! that is downright and always has been shocking to me! i mean seemingly everyone INHERENTLY knows this is wrong without even thinking about it!…

          • Tracy Schmitz

            being ass kissed by their “religion” or any religion/church/faith is “normal” to them!?

            something that everyone else on this planet inherently knows is so wrong, unethical, improper, inappropriate, immoral and so on! and yes, that includes EVERYONE on the planet that belongs to any other religion then scientology..

            this takes a whole new level or moral bankruptcy on the part of jt and tc!…..

        • Tracy Schmitz

          good point! that’s another cluelessness on his part? gee, i wonder WHY they never left your side high profile rich celeb??? DUH and DOUBLE DUH! and don’t you find it remotely “odd” that your “religion” has “handlers” that never leave your side and in yours and cruise’s case come and go in your OWN HOMES and help direct your lives both personally and professionally? COME ON!! what person famous or not with half a brain wouldn’t think that ANY religion/church/faith they belong to having handlers and doing all of this for them, including going into their homes (what religion has their people going and coming and going whenever they want? into a member’s private homes for any reason??) is quote “NORMAL???””

    • Liberated

      One can hope these clams are having doubts and maybe they’re just confused or ashamed to speak out right now.
      I hope that’s the case.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I do, too.

      • Xenu’s son.

        Just imagine being a scientologist now who is kind of in.
        You cannot even put on a late night comedy show or your solution is the bud of jokes.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Tony’s on a Twitter-roll!

    Explainin’ what’s what.

    “Noon: Wake up and scream at people until 2 am. Sleep.”

    “He has no children, and for the last 11 yrs he’s kept his wife locked away in a secret compound in the mountains above LA. And he’s 5-foot-1 “

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ah-ha, he’s 5 foot…wait a minute…

    • Liberated

      Yo LL, are you the only person in your area that hates the cult as much as the rest of us do?

      I guess I mean do you have anyone to talk to about this stuff.
      I don’t, that’s why I love the bunker so much.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Just me Libs.

        Ian lives in Melbourne, but I haven’t talked to him since I was ill, and he hasn’t commented in ages.

        Also, he seems much more sensible than me (or hides his hate better : ) )

        Short answer, “me too”.

        • Liberated

          I’m not sure who Ian is, but we’ve all been hurt by this greedy cult and it feels so good to talk to others who understand.
          It was a long time coming for me but I found you guys.

          I’m sorry you were ill, I wish I could take care of you, that’s one thing I’m pretty good at.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Aw, thanks. xoxo

            And yeah, The Bunker is one if a kind.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Are you going to HowdyCon?

        • Liberated

          No dear, are you?

          • Liberated

            If certain people are, I could make an effort, a real good effort.

          • LongtimeLurker

            It’s unlikely. I’ll still try.

            I thought that way we’d at least have a few days of like-minded interactions.

            But actually, there’s probably a lot of non-Scientology talking I’d imagine.

  • Jack99

    From the review of Rogue One on The Hollywood Reporter:

    “Running the imperial offense is the creepy Death Star overseer Orson Krennic (Ben Mendelsohn), whose resemblance to Scientology chief David Miscavige is uncanny.”

    • LongtimeLurker

      Oh that is too good!

      Not fair to Mendo tho’ – he’s much more emotive.

      • Ella Raitch

        …and much less of a whingeing cry baby (unless the part calls for it in which case he’d do a wonderful job).

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yes.

          I just saw him in Slow West with Michael Fassbender.

          Mendo played this overly-friendly sociopath bad guy. He was great (as usual).

          I met him once, in my comic shop.

          • Jack99

            Slow West was great! Reminded me a bit of Dead Man by Jarmusch. Mendelsohn was also good in Killing Them Softly.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I should watch that again.

          • Ella Raitch
            • LongtimeLurker

              Damn.

              Almost.

              He wasn’t having a great time. We had a bad interaction. It was on me.

            • Ella Raitch

              This was the first time I ever saw him or Noah Taylor – fabulous coming of age film

            • Jack99

              The Year My Voice Broke?

            • Ella Raitch

              Yup….this was a break through film for both actors

            • Jack99

              Great film! You’re an Aussie? Do you remember a film called Malcolm? It’s a great little heist film, but no one else I know has seen it.

            • Ella Raitch

              Colin Friels – absolutely…about the same era as this (maybe a little later)

              And yes – an Aussie

            • Liberated

              How come Australia has such cool-ass actors?
              Eric Bana
              Russell Crowe
              Ledger
              The Hemsworth boys
              Sam Worthington
              Hugh Jackman…etc.

              I had a thing for Rod Taylor when I was a kid…don’t tell anybody, I’m embarrassed.

            • Ella Raitch

              Must be that convict blood…..

              ETA – and of course Russell Crowe is really a Kiwi

            • Liberated

              I reckon!

            • Liberated

              He was born in NZ but moved to aus. as a young boy and calls himself an Aussie.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              rod taylor!…. he was DREAMY in his prime… why be embarrassed??

            • BronxLaurie10

              Don’t forget Alex O’Loughlin. (Steve McGarrett on Hawaii Five-0).

            • Liberated

              No

    • Miscavige should try the cape look. It could work for him.

  • Well, it’s 11:08 and I’m glad I had that Kleenex.

  • Mat Pesch

    Amy and I just watched the show. OMG!!! OMG!!! Sooo well done. Thank you to everyone who contributed to getting this truth out.

    • It’s important for people to see this, the visceral suffering that this organization wreaks on people’s lives is going on right this second.

  • JaxNGold

    I was just able to finish watching the episode. My eyes are still red from crying.

    Mary — there really are no words, but I am so sorry for what they’ve put you through. As a mother, my heart is broken for you and your family.

    When Mike broke down I just lost it. That was a very raw and powerful moment.

    I need a drink, seriously.

  • joan nieman

    Damn it! I missed the live blogging, So exciting that Leah has got this creepy, corrupt organization exposed…big time. Mike did an extremely good job. My heart aches for Mary. Hell, my heart aches for all the disconnected families. I can see and feel the power of the Bunker, A&E, literature that exposes the truth, film and stage plays. I keep thinking back to the days of The Village Voice and Tony, who dared to reveal just how corrupt this entity was. It seems it is all coming together and we, who oppose the cruel and heartless, greedy cherch, have become so visible, so strong and there is no way any of us will give up or ignore what needs to be made public. It is a victorious and proud emotion I feel tonight and I am so honored to be a part of all of you. I missed THDNE, Derek and Baby tonight but I read their conversations with a smile on my face. Good work Mr. Ortega .We have traveled through the years and have arrived at the Green Valley.

    • Robert Eckert

      Had to work late last night again, have to catch up on the live blog in the morning (while I have the current post in another window– will I ever be caught up?)

  • Rieand

    Seems like almost everyone where I live is at least aware of the show, if not watching.

    Huge blow to scientology!

    • Ella Raitch

      Welcome Rieand – that’s great news.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Rieand. Have a seat and I’ll brew some tea. Glad to hear people are watching and/or talking about the show. It seems to be doing a truly excellent job explaining how people get so trapped in the $camatology belief system.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    O/T: In the wake of Leah’s show, seems like every outlet is looking for some scientology content. The AV Club is wondering if this 1977 “Scientology Minister’s Handbook” they came across is legit.
    http://www.avclub.com/article/if-genuine-1977-scientology-handbook-kitschy-cult–247398

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Those are from the awfully photographed and ridiculous “Volunteer Minister’s Handbook” from the ’70s. Most of the photos were done in the Caribbean when Ron was still afloat by the “Photo Shoot Org” which morphed into “Universal Media Productions” (UNIMED) which eventually became “Golden Era Productions” by the time he was hiding in Indio. It is truly awful and truly genuine.

    • Robert Eckert

      It’s whether Douglas D Douglas got his avatar.

  • Dave Reams

    LAPD to David Miscavige: Bend over and cough up Shelley. Oh, if only!

  • TrishRan

    Here’s one thing that makes the upper management of Scientology look ridiculous to me, a member of the public – and I assume that the press releases, the broadcast comments of Monique Ylingling, the picketing of homes of ex-Scientologists are not just to intimidate ex-members, but to affect their image in the minds of non-Scientologists like me. When each and every person who has defected from COS & is a high level church member who like Mike Rinder, or famous for something other than Scientology, like Leah Remini, is described by the COS not only as bitter about splitting from the church, but described as having been a complete incompetent in their responsibilities within the church – in positions they held for years or even decades – it reflects badly not on them, but on the Church. If the Church kept one incompetent loser in a position just beneath David Miscavige for 20+ years, that would be remarkable, but for the church to not have noticed for decades that multiple incompetent losers held positions like spokesperson for the entire church, like Rinder, or part of the Scientology band, like Ron Miscavige, how is that happening again and again? Or is it that the Church acts like a bitter ex-lover who has to badmouth the ex to everyone that they think can be made to listen?

    Also, the incredibly bombastic language that is used to describe defectors from the COS sounds so over-the-top and even more undermines the message that these are unworthy people and amplifies the “bitter ex” vibe that the COS communications invariably display.

    • Ella Raitch

      The church can only respond to incidents according to policies laid out by LRH, which are of course terribly outdated by now.

      The good money is on the theory that nothing the church does is meant to sway public opinion outside of the church. It is 100% aimed at the sheeple, and keeping them in their little bubble of obeisance and misinformation (and fear)

      • TrishRan

        Also consider that the public is the pool of humans who are one of the only two pools of potential new recruits – people who aren’t & haven’t been Scientologists yet, and people born to Scientologist parents.

        • Ella Raitch

          In terms of $, Miscavige can do just fine by keeping a small number of very rich whales (Tom Cruise, Bob Duggan) hooked. With ‘raw meat’ they actually have to deliver services and there are too many people to control, too much risk of scandal. He’s not after expansion, just the illusion of expansion.

          • TrishRan

            Interesting take on the face COS shows to the outside world.

    • Tony Ortega

      When Scientology’s behavior is puzzling, keep in mind that David Miscavige isn’t trying to reach you and me. Everything he does is aimed at reassuring existing Scientologists — and particularly the big donors — that he’s defending the faith the way L. Ron Hubbard intended it, always on attack.

      And it works. These attacks may look ridiculous to us on the outside, but Scientologists find them inspiring. Hey, look, C.O.B. is kicking ass and taking names!

      As for the language, Miscavige thinks that’s the voice of an authority figure. And he has a speechwriter, Dan Sherman, whose job it is to create scripts for Miscavige that contain that bombastic diction.

      As amateurish as these clowns may come off, in their minds they’re vastly superior to the rest of us. To them, we’re degraded beings.

      Miscavige and his minions may be the ultimate example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. And they are convinced of thei superiority.

      • Ella Raitch

        Are you up late or early?

      • TrishRan

        Thanks for the rapid reply.

        I can understand that we outsiders are a minor target, compared to trying to influence people who are still in the church, but when they do things like using picket signs in the neighborhood where a person lives, telling passersby on the street that so-and-so is up to no good, and putting Monique Ylingling on TV, as well as the ex-Scientology wives on Anderson Cooper, it looks like they are trying to poison the ex-members’ image in the minds of the wider community.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Ron convinced them. And the psychopath enforces it. All the manipulation reinforces it and all the personality flaws and self doubt of the minions convince them that their own senses and inner voices lie lie lie, in the face of the obvious postured success and big beingness of their captive master Miscavige. It will keep going. Until it all goes to hell.

        I can’t predict when it will fall apart. Probably when DM dies in an apoplectic fit of McCallans self inflation. With nobody to carry on the beatings, the small voices will start to speak up. Unless another psychopath stands ready to seize, the whimpering will commence.

      • Graham

        Tony- it was great to see in your previous post that Leah is going after LAPD to discover what went on re her Shelly request. Hopefully she’ll be able to use whatever ‘freedom of information’ laws there are to get to the bottom of this.

        Do you think she might be able to use her high profile position to look into an even bigger disgrace: the fact that part of Scientology’s deal with the IRS is similarly ‘classified’? Could she kick up a fuss in the media about this secret deal and try to bring any ‘classified’ documents out into the light of day?

        • TrishRan

          I would love that.

          There is no reason for such a deal between the IRS and any entity to not be a matter of public record.

        • Jerseygram

          How great would that be?!!

      • AnnieO17

        That explains something I haven’t understood…why Scientology keeps doing things that look ridiculous and outright mean to the public at large. So it isn’t about us or what we think, it’s done for other Scientologists. Thanks for clarifying this for me.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      good post and your correct… in addition, how does the cult explain (to those who KNOW they exist!) shelly’s disappearance? the fact that miscavige’s OWN PARENTS! niece and brother in law have left it and denounce it and him? the fact that miscavige’s own sister has been in and out of trouble with the law and drugs for years now! and to go back even further? that 9 out of 10 of the founder’s OWN family and relatives left it years and years ago, denouncing it and him? granted, the sea org people know none of this i’m pretty sure, but what about the others? the remaining “officials”, the remaining “spokespersons”, and yes, the celebs, including mr. most dedicated scientologist the leader knows with a medal to prove it!..for those who DO KNOW about all of this, what they TRULY TRULY BELIEVE THAT THESE PEOPLE, the FAMILY of the founder and current leader that THEY TOO ARE ALL LYING, EVERYONE? EVERY SINGLE ONE! and like everyone who HAS LEFT, they were expelled or about to be! everyone???…

      so let’s say they ARE all lying, it’s a massive conspiracy.. then WHAT WOULD THAT SAY ABOUT “THE TECH”? working 100% of the time, 100% with everyone, 100% no matter what if it doesn’t work for the founder and current leader’s own family!!!! SO WHICH IS IT INSIDIOUS SCIENTOLOGY?… they are all bad and were evil and liars OR the tech doesn’t work???

      • TrishRan

        Exactly what I’m thinking.

        Also, with all due respect to Mr Ortega, but if COS actually doesn’t care what the rest of us think about COS, that would mean that they have given up on us as a pool from which to obtain new recruits.

        EDIT:
        Ella Raitch, below, gives an interesting take on it – COS doesn’t so much want new members (to have to control) but to appear to the people forking over the big bucks, to be continuing to look for, groom and take in, new recruits.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • TrishRan

      I was also very touched by the scene when they were all crying. And angered that there are people within COS who know that they are doing this to families again and again, and keep doing it to more families.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I watched the CO$’s slam site video where Sammy compares disconnecting from his mom to pulling a thorn out of his side. UGH!!!

        And that Ben Kruger video reminds me of that slimy Martin Short SNL character, Nathan Thurm.

        • TrishRan

          It’s remarkable how vulnerable human beings can be – able to be manipulated into thinking that people they’ve loved their whole lives are so unimportant. But such manipulation, while it can last for a long time, is in some ways not very deep and can vanish, like a dream when the alarm clock goes off.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          does sammy explain (or tries to or lies about it) WHY he disconnected from his mother? at the end of this 3rd episode the screen scrawled that sammy says scientology had nothing to do with it?..

          • Sherbet

            I think what he said was that the church didn’t tell him to disconnect, not that it wasn’t a scientology issue. He was saying it was his own decision. That was my interpretation.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Sammy blames his mom for the disconnection. It was her choice. She is opposed to his beliefs thus making her a bad parent and that is why he had to say “peace out”. IMHO is he comes across as a real schmuck.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        and either NO ONE CARES (miscavige, etcetera) because they are literally evil or NO ONE knows (uh huh!) (the celebs) which makes them the celebs both beyond cowards, stupid, pathologically narcissist so much they who shouldn’t be walking the streets, and culpable to evil and cahoots with it..

    • Ella Raitch

      Where’s your book Jesse ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Newiga

      T_T I’m tearing up here. Shouldn’t read this stuff during my coffee break at work.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Awww Jesse. What a good soul he is.

  • Xenu’s son.

    What a year it has been for the cult.
    2016 was even better than 2015.The cult is past danger heading for non existence.
    I can only imagine what 2017 will look like.
    Implosion will reach critical mass.Many families reunited.
    Smell a government crackdown under RICO.Miscavage flees to Bulgravia.
    More jokes by late night comedians.
    30% of the last remaining missions close their door.
    Event attendance down by another 25%.Not even photoshop can correct this.
    Some of the last D rated celebs will leave.Nobody will notice,
    OT geezers in assisted living faciliies will be straight up and vertical.Rhytmically tapping their canes to “We stand tall.”
    In 2017 a Tom Cruise movie will actually start losing money.
    More Networks will want to do their own scientology exposee because they smell good ratings.
    Opening ideal morgues will not have film crews because hardly anyone shows up.
    David Miscavige will counter all this by GADFS.(Golden Age of Double Foot Shooting)

    • TrishRan

      Here’s hoping your predictions all come true.

    • Alice Graves

      I wonder if Tom Cruise will refuse to provide his private jet for the final DM escape to Venezuela or some other country with no extradition treaty with the U.S. Cruise may wake up to his liability of interfering with a criminal investigation, or worse yet, becoming an accessory to a crime.

      Poor little pontiff will be left scrambling for a ticket out of the country.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Good Morning Sleepy Heads.

    • Newiga

      Good morning, EE! Sit down and have a cuppa with me. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Morning Eivol. ๐Ÿ˜˜๐ŸŒž

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Hi Nola and everyone else who is up…….just got home from a trip and am so screwed up time-wise I’m not even sure what day it is, much less exactly what went on last night with Leah. I glanced down through the comments and I have a question (or two)

        Is it Wednesday in the USA? (don’t laugh, I’m too tired to figure it out)

        Did Leah’s show have a new episode last night? Is that what everyone is talking about, or was it a preview of her next show? Will it air again tonight in the US?

        I have so much respect for Leah…that is one gutsy woman. I also like that the show is more documentary-style than “reality” style. (I don’t like reality TV at all…….too scripted and really quite boring. This show is very different from that)

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Awww honey, you need some sleep **hugs** Yes, it is indeed Wednesday, and yes Leah did have a new episode (what I think might be the best so far) last night. Hope you can catch up to the clock love. XOXOX

          • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

            Thanks so much……I hope I recorded it before I left. (sometimes I forget to hit “record series” so I get all of the episodes. I’m glad it’s getting a lot of attention. I am going to try to sleep now, although I did get some sleep on the plane, which actually screwed me up more I think, if that makes sense. I am looking forward to this new episode. Wouldn’t that be nice if she got nominated for an Emmy or a Golden Globe award? Not only would that be great for her, it would make the little Fuhrer furious….hahahahahaha

            Nitey nite……..K

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Sleep tight lovely. XOXOX Dream of Emmy’s and accolades…..and kitty’s. ๐Ÿ˜€ See you when you wake up. ๐Ÿ˜˜

  • John Prince

    Attention! Give me a few tips here Bunkerites, I just got an e-mail from co$ here in Frankfurt, Germany ( I took the good old oca test online, wanted to make sure I was still a manic depressive / ticking time-bomb on the verge of a nervous breakdown / suicide or much worse like they tried to convince me in 1987! ) I used my real name, same as 30 yrs. ago when I laughed in their faces and apparently it didn’t set off alarm bells on their state-of-the-art computer-telex system because they sent me a number to call to make an appointment; would like to ” go over my test results with me personally ” it seems. . they aren’t aware that I already know my test results (grins wickedly ) I’m asking for help from the Experts here, what’s the most effective way to rub their noses in their own poop here. . should I call and ask about Xenu, right off the bat? ask them if they’re watching Leah’s series?

    • ze moo

      For a truly ‘spass machen zeit’ (fun making time) go to the sales pitch and record the whole thing secretly. After they tell you what is wrong with you, bring up the Remini show and Xenu. Then post the whole thing on youtube. The rest of the world can then enjoy your work.

      In only this instance, will Arbeit Mach Frei.

      • John Prince

        Won’t they “sec Check “me or something if I appear too eager? I had thought the Germans had all but chased off stupidology with a stick (the Hannover “org”where I live is dark &dead and I know their numbers are shriveling and dying fast in Berlin, Hamburg and other cities, no small thanks to Anonymous..someone give AGP a pat on the ass from me) I wanna do this right to maximise the fun factor and stir up a little trouble myself!

    • LongtimeLurker

      John you could post this on the new article, if you want replies.

      http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/14/nora-crests-powerful-new-video-why-you-cant-be-gay-in-scientology/

    • TrishRan

      Ah, the famous “personality test”! When I was in college, a psych professor came up with an experiment to test the test. He sent a student in alone to take the test – and smuggle out a copy. After going over the questions, he said they were basic personality test questions, such as the MMPI uses. His hypothesis was that the way a person answered questions would help the COS tailor a pitch that would be most likely to resonate with the person being pitched. So he got 8 students, coached them in how to answer the test questions so that the results would be consistent enough with certain traits (depressed, obsessive, anxious, alienated, for example), but not so completely as to look like they were being “text book” examples & raising the alarm among those administering the tests.

      The really amazing thing is, when the students went back, the pitches were not tailored to the way they answered the test – each one got pretty much the identical pitch.

  • ze moo

    Mary and David Kahn gave great testimony last night. I knew something very special was happening when Mary started to tear up and Mike Rinder got that ‘living the past’ stare and then he started to cry too. Very powerful stuff. $cientology stole Mary and Davids son and they won’t allow him to communicate with his parents. The same for Mike Rinder, $cientology stole his children too!!!

    Mary and Leah hammered in the ‘$cientology consumes all of your life’ theme with a sledge hammer, Thor’s freaking sledge hammer. That’s a super power I can believe in.

    The flashes of what I take to be future episodes showed the cutest little boy. I suspect that is one of Claire and Marc Headly’s children. I will keep that shows recording for a long time. I am guessing that Laura DeCrescenzo’s won’t be shown. Given the current litigation, I can understand that. But I still want the coerced abortions to be known. Maybe season 2?

  • Roger Y

    For 2 years I’ve been following this blog & all things Scientology. Just when I think I’ve heard or seen it all, I’m pulled back into watching the train wreck. It is still shocking after all this time. Horrible.

  • RK

    I have growing respect for Leah. She is doing a great service with telling these people’s stories. Any Scientologist has been through similar circumstances – being pressured for money that they didn’t have, lying to get out of an uncomfortable situation, being physically trapped and kept from leaving, suffered the separation of their family. These stories of abuse are widespread and Leah is bringing them to light. Talking to these people in their homes shows everyone that these things are happening to normal people.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Well, I miss being here last night, but I was engrossed with Leah, Mike and Mary. What a show, then they showed the previous episode i watched again, then bed. My excitement levels go too high late at night on the Bunker, then can’t sleep.
    My heart and love go out to all who made this possible. Wow, with more to come.

  • EDN/laineybin

    Very late to the party (couldn’t watch last night – rats!) but 2 thoughts kept bouncing around my brain when I watched this morning:
    1. I wonder if Tommy Davis (and DM) now wishes that he’d just said Shelly was sick and couldn’t make it? and
    2. I think showing the actually bridge “picture” might make more people understand the allure of Scientology. As Leah said, the really inexpensive, entry-level courses actually provide some value, but I think that having a whole self-improvement plan laid out with chronological steps would look attractive to anyone hoping to continuously improve themselves and their lives.

    Leah and Mike are kicking ass with this series, showing just how it is.

    • “1. I wonder if Tommy Davis (and DM) now wishes that he’d just said Shelly was sick and couldn’t make it? ”
      Fucking stupid, no?

      • EDN/laineybin

        Absolutely!

      • JJ

        So wrapped up in Scientology they were probably floored by the fact someone, who could get that close to them, would have the temerity to even ask…

    • TrishRan

      1. Interesting question.
      2. This might be by COS never held any appeal for me – I could never imagine that one organization, system of thought or group of people could lead to continuous self-improvement with no downside. I’m sure I have vulnerabilities but different ones.

      Gotta say, the “value” early Scientology courses provide can be gotten from other sources, too, but for people who never went to school past 9th grade, like Leah and Amy Scobee, it’s likely they would be unaware that there are other sources for this stuff.

  • Mark Foster

    Waaaay late to the party…and just wanna throw a thought out there: To echo an astute question Trevor Noah asked about what to do with rabid racists who hold positions of power once they are dismissed…What do you do with sociopathic cult leaders and their minions once the cult truly implodes? If nothing is done, they are left to fester in their bitter ignorance and false sense of superiority…and possibly cause further harm to each other and those around them.
    Jon Atack’s foundation comes to mind…
    As heinous as this cult is, as despicable and vicious as its history of criminality is, there WILL be many more of its adherents who, quickly or slowly, will come to their senses and leave. For those of us “out here”, they will need all of the critical thinking skills,information,material support, compassion, good humor, love, and patience that we can offer.

  • rayne

    i truly admire those who are taking up the battle and speaking out to restore families and expose this horrific cult.
    Scientology = and if you believe that, i have a BRIDGE i wanna sell you….
    and i am in no way criticizing the victims with that statement… that cult is and always has been devious and like any abuser, looks all shiny and bright and good at first, and sucks people in with lies… then the mask falls off.
    due to isolation and sleep deprivation and all sorts of other brainwashing techniques, people are unable to make good decisions for themselves. they are spoon fed us vs them partial truths and threatened with the loss of their families, friends, ability to earn a living, and their way of life should they have an inkling of a notion to leave.

    please, all of you…. don’t give up… and thank you

  • Koper

    This episode had two sides. First the bridge which was briefly adressed. Then Mary Kahn’s story which brought Mike Rinder to break down for the first time in public. I almost watched everything that Mike had to say for the last few years but this hit home really hard. Big big respect for Mike and Leah and I hope it will bring DM to justice.

  • nunyabidnes

    It seems like everyone involved with the A&E show is being stalked. When are we going to see some videos? Turn the camera back on them.

  • Kate Justice

    Mary had me glued to the TV. Her tenacity, vivaciousness, and spunk drew me right in. You can see it in her smile and use of random cuss words. Haha! I love her. She seems so very strong. I hope her son comes to his senses soon. As a new-ish mother (I have an 18 month old son) I felt her pain. I had a lump in my throat and tears in my eyes. When her and Mike broke down I could barely handle it. When she talked about raising her kids being the happiest years of her life, that right there, that killed me. ๐Ÿ™