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Scientologist’s lawsuit against Jim Carrey over Cat White’s suicide survives dismissal

 
Yesterday, a story ping-ponged around the usual media locations, indicating that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge had decided not to dismiss two wrongful death lawsuits against actor Jim Carrey that grew out of the suicide of his Irish on-again, off-again girlfriend, Cathriona White, who died in September 2015 at the age of 30.

Carrey is being sued by Cat White’s husband, a man named Mark Burton, and by Cat’s mother, Brigid Sweetman, who each blame Carrey after Cat overdosed on drugs that had been prescribed to Carrey and that she had apparently taken from his apartment.

None of the stories mentioned the detail we discovered, that Cat White was a Scientologist who had been stalled on the “Survival Rundown” when she took her life, and that Burton is also a Scientologist who, Cat’s friends say, married her out of convenience so she could get a green card and stay in the country after Carrey refused to marry her.

We had been driving between Portland and Seattle on a leg of our book tour that summer when we first got a message from one of our best, most trusted sources, who told us that the young woman in the news for killing herself had actually been a Scientologist. We confirmed it with another of our sources later in the day, and on the morning of September 30, we broke the news, and tabloid reporters from both sides of the Atlantic started ringing us. Pete Griffiths helped us nail the next detail, the identity of Cat’s SRD and Purification Rundown “twin,” an actor named Travis Case, who works as Ashton Kutcher’s stand-in. (Scientology often has members pair up to get through courses together, and the Purif and the SRD are both physically and mentally grueling.) We also started to learn something about the young Scientology Hollywood types that Cat had been involved with.

One of the things making Scientology’s involvement interesting was that Jim Carrey had made fun of Scientology numerous times, and seemed to want nothing to do with it. Former Scientology official Claire Headley provided us with our next scoop: That Carrey had, in fact, been the focus of an intense effort by the church to bring him in and get him on the “Purif,” spearheaded by Shelly Miscavige, wife of Scientology leader David Miscavige. (Yes, the same Shelly who vanished a few years later, in 2005.) Claire suggested that Scientology would still consider Carrey a prize, and would not have hesitated to use a Scientologist like Cat White to work on bringing him in. “They tried it in the past, and they would do it again,” she told us.

And then came the bombshell. The Daily Mail discovered from the Los Angeles coroner that Cat was actually married. Even some of her close friends had no idea and were stunned at the news. A marriage certificate was quickly located for Cat and Mark Burton in Clark County, Nevada, but who was Mark Burton? We managed to locate a couple of photos of him from friends who had been involved in the small-time video shoots where Cat had been a make-up artist. We also began to learn more about Cat’s past in Ireland and how she had first run into Scientology — through a famous Austrian family of artists who lived in a castle in Tipperary.

We also learned something fascinating about Burton’s past — he was the stepson of Duke Snider, one of Scientology’s most notorious spies who had helped run the church’s infiltration of the US federal government in the 1970s, the “Snow White Program.” Snider was among 11 top Scientology officials convicted and sent to prison for the Snow White operation.

And then came a stunning detail that we hate for the rest of the media to forget already. Not only had Cat engaged in a secret wedding with a fellow Scientologist in order to avoid going back to Ireland, but it wasn’t her first time!

In fact, marrying a friend for immigration status was something Cat White had talked about for years, even before she began dating Carrey. In 2010, two years before she started up with the actor, Cat and her friends staged a fake wedding with one of her fellow Scientologists in order to produce wedding photos that could be used to fool immigration authorities. Cat ultimately didnโ€™t go through with marrying that man, but a photo from the event exists, and we have a copy.

 

 
Since that report, things turned very ugly in the litigation between the parties. Burton apparently had obtained Cat’s smartphone after her death, and sordid messages from it began leaking to the press which indicated that she and Carrey had fought over her allegation that she had become infected with venereal diseases from him. There had even been a court settlement between them about it.

Burton’s attorney very effectively dragged Carrey through the mud over the revelations from Cat’s phone, but Carrey was defiant, saying that he had no interest in working out a settlement in what he characterized as an extortion attempt.

Now, the lawsuits have survived dismissal, and a trial has been set for April 26, 2018. It would be extremely unusual for such a trial to take place. More likely, some agreement will be hashed out, but not, perhaps, without more salacious revelations.

We think that Scientology’s involvement, however, is not one that should be forgotten.

For a young woman who had had a history of struggling with depression, turning to Scientology was perhaps the worst thing she could have done. Scientology demonizes mental health care, and would have convinced her that it was a betrayal to seek proper counseling or medication. And the grueling nature of the SRD could not have helped.

It’s a shame that this beautiful young woman ever went near Scientology. Perhaps the court ought to keep that in mind.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,769 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,526 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,872 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,366 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,406 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,118 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 644 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,733 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,873 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,193 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,168 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 524 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,826 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 933 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,335 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,208 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 789 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,294 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,538 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,647 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 2, 2017 at 07:00

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Missing Missions
    For a few states I had said
    “No Missions.”
    Here’s the story of another.
    Post # 52 in a continuing series.

    Delaware
    where, appropriately for $cientology, many shell companies are registered,
    is yet somehow totally devoid of clam Missions.
    Delaware has the most corporate-friendly laws in the US.
    It has been suggested that “Delaware” stands for
    “Dollars, Euros Laundered And Washed At Reasonable Expense.”
    The notoriously tax-shy Hubbard and $cientology were not likely to spurn the opportunity
    to have simple incorporation, anonymity and a tax-haven all rolled into one.

    SMI ( $cientology Missions International), who sparked my Missions investigation with
    their arrogant photo of 70 people on the little ancient asbestos-plagued Freewinds
    tug-boat,
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3e4ba389638afcae77d25d6020b5a02c930966cc980fd1b3db23f64fbfecb67f.jpg
    used to be registered in Delaware.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0dc1360f7a9405fd719d8b9a6243e1c25f3415a3c34399c5b613d4e0feac90b6.jpg
    Now, since the IRS ruling, they are registered in California.

    And there are a few other notable ones as well:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/deb8e165b0b5af61cc57e1e20f5ea555e6d073f672f65125f867f4e75319b6d3.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cb00b8b724a5fed1bf2aede462776b9c98ff8bef67d91908cd042431b1ab513a.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81230197394c6144e9f5cb2719b9d164934ad5ffa801adfd050532e2e536c7e1.jpg

    Even the infamous Southern Land Development and Leasing Corp.:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aebcb6173b7b12431dc51ef90407d66118eb0591c4bc589788f78fce6b6bd05b.jpg

    But corporations are but legal persons.
    $cientology as human beings, real live breathing people in Delaware?

    There was a tragic Delaware ex-$cientologist suicide:
    http://www.memorialsolutions.com/sitemaker/sites/parsel0/obit.cgi?user=jody15
    Jody got in in 1972 and was still in in 2003.
    But he couldn’t go up the “Bridge” – he had to take drugs.
    He had degenerative bone disease.
    He was a gun-lover and gun maven, in severe back pain and making nice with his
    still $ci ex to stay in contact with his kids.
    Disconnection as emotional blackmail.
    It became too much.
    RIP

    And of course there was/is the whole Trout Run saga.
    Quackery, expensive Narconon quackery and addict-exploitation, a stone’s throw
    from DC.
    Stymied thus far ๐Ÿ™‚

    Then there’s Muffins Blinky Yingling, selling her ill-gotten ugly-ass country retreat.

    But Missions?
    None.
    Nary a sign.

    Delaware is Clear.

    Davey, I am starting to believe you may be lying about expansion,
    much less that 47x, straight up and vertical Porch of Infinity nonsense.

    Tick fucking Tock, Dave.
    Soon you will be in the Outhouse of Insignificance.
    With Bubba.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ca005e91e31f23240a5671996d2439b9000c6808adce0525f940cbe1800c6b1.jpg

    • Rasha

      52. A complete deck of failures for Scientology.

      No matter how they stack the deck, they can’t seem to get a full house anywhere. The whole thing is proving to be a straight up and vertical flush. Poor Davey, just a joker stuck playing the hand that was dealt to him, gambling on a bad deal.

      Such a card. He drew it, and he’s all in.

      • RexAinsfree

        Lil Davie tried to up the ante, but he’s got a tell: the missing missions are all a bluff. I’ll wager he’ll have to fold … someday.

        • Rasha

          XD

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Thank you so much for all the work you put into this Panopea Abrupta. I realize this is a project on Missions, but I am surprised that SOR (Sea Org Reserves) didn’t show up in the Delaware legal persons like it does in the Panama Papers.

    • Philbyification

      Yep. With Bubba and the “Kids for Cash” Judge! Also a tiny malignant NPD psycho. ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

    Her family is blaming Carrey, because she stole medications from him?
    What was he supposed to do, lock it in a safe in his own home?
    Then the judge allows the case to move forward.
    This judge is either an idiot or somewhere we’ll find out he has a link to $cientology!

    • moonnfire

      Yeah you expect that an adult you are dating would know better than to take your meds right?

    • moonnfire

      In a way, I am glad the judge let this move forward. Not that I think Carrey did anything wrong here but the more Scientology is in the courtroom, the more things are revealed about it in the public record and Jim Carrey’s name will bring tons of attention once this goes to trial

      • They’ll dig into the tiniest details of Jim Carrey’s life, but their lawyers will claim that Scientology is an irrelevant detail.

        • moonnfire

          True but if I remember correctly the original story on this said that she committed suicide after he broke up with her and that he was away at the time. So the question is, why was she in his home? Did she break in to steal his drugs? I cannot imagine letting someone I broke up with be in my house while I was away or even when I am there for that matter.

          • She was in a house that Jim Carrey was paying for, but it wasn’t where he was living.

            • moonnfire

              Oh ok, now makes more sense. Thank you

            • Peter

              Hardly. If he wasn’t living there, why were *his* drugs there for her to steal?

        • lynn

          perhaps Carrey’s lawyer will make it relevant and dig up some tiny details as well.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Except that Jim Carrey apparently criticized scientology and that would have made OSA declare him as an SP and we all know that is grounds for disconnection by Cat. That would likely put great pressure by OSA on Cat to disconnect because she wasn’t able to “handle” Jim.

          If scientology is behind these lawsuits, it is not because Cat suicided, but because Jim Carrey is an SP who attacked scientology and must be ruined utterly. Cat’s death is not scientology’s motive, their “FAIR GAME” is their motivation. Cat was just a pawn in the whole deal, and regardless of her depression, it would have been totally okay to sacrifice her to succeed in “Fair Gaming” Jim. Egregious of course, nefarious also but scientology is not about the welfare of any individual but rather about the ‘power and money’ and the protection of that scam.
          I would like to see OSA files as evidence in the court case. The Rex Fowler case never got to the complicity of scientology’s registrars in putting pressure on Rex. That was somehow avoided, perhaps because it was not needed to get a conviction in his murder case.

          But scientology skated on that one. If, and I say if and mostly likely it was the situation, OSA brought pressure or undue influence to a troubled Cat’s life and contributed to her suicide then that needs to be exposed as a likely contributor to Cat feeling the tremendous emotional pain anyone who even considers suicide is undergoing. And she would be expected to ‘solve it with scientology’ per her MAA’s (ethics officers programs)

    • Newiga

      The sad thing it is unlikely that locking up the medications would have helped poor Cat. ๐Ÿ™

      • Chee Chalker

        EXACTLY. Suicidal people will find the means.
        IMO, using Carrey’s meds was a final FU she wanted to send him.

        I probably shouldn’t be so harsh on her…..she was clearly very emotionally fragile and Carrey may have been less than kind. We just don’t know.

        What we do know is that she was a victim of a cult and was probably being pressured to rope Carrey in and when that failed she may not have been able to face that

        • MarcabExpat

          That last sentence is the real kicker here.

          They broke up — but JC still cared about her and didn’t actually want to leave her, at least for good, according to their correspondence. To me that screams that she was being under more and more pressured to recruit him, he finally gave her an ultimatum about that, and she melted down because she was going to have to choose between him and Scientology (and all her friends and “support network” that went with that). He hoped they could be reconciled in the future — by that did he mean once she’d left the church or at least stopped trying to convert him?

          It’s speculation, I freely admit. But it’s logical and makes sense of the chain of events. And it doesn’t have to be all-or-nothing — it could be that the tension and pressure over that were the final straw.

        • Chewkacca

          We don’t know— but OSA does. WAAAUUGN!

    • No, they are suing Carry because he allegedly gave her the prescription drugs that she used to commit suicide, not that she stole them. Given the court denied the motion to “dismiss” (probablyโ€‹ a motion for summary judgment at this.point), the plaintiffs probably have some evidence to support the allegation. If so, it is for a jury to decide whether he provided the medication or whether she stole it.

      It might also be good to remember one of the plaintiffs is Cat’s mother. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with Tony that the Purif, the SRD and Scientology:s attitude toward mental health are highly relevant. I just can’t blame the mom for suing Carry if there is evidence he gave Cat both multiple STDs (herpes 1, herpes 2 and gonorrhea, if I recall correctly), and the prescription medication Cat used to kill herself.

      EDITED TO ADD: I do think the lawsuit by her husband is idiotic. They didn’t have a meaningful marriage at the time of her death (assuming they ever did, which is doubtful), and he suffered no real legally cognizable loss.

      http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20170329/jim-carrey-wrongful-death-case-over-suicide-of-cathronia-white-could-go-forward

      • The STDs apparently appeared one month after Cat’s marriage to Mark Burton, just saying.

        • Chewkacca

          That needed to be said, and needs to come out during the trial.
          AAROOUGH!

          • JaxNGold

            May I ask…what’s with the “AAROOUGH? Lol…

      • Chee Chalker

        It’s difficult to win a motion for summary judgment so I’m not surprised it has moved forward either, but the burden on the movant (JC in this case) is usually pretty high.

        That doesn’t necessarily translate into Burton’s side having good evidence. Even flimsy evidence would probably have been enough to survive the motion for SJ.

        We obviously can’t try the case here in the comments (there’s also ‘evidence’ Cat took the meds without Carrey’s knowledge (he sent her an email asking if she had taken his meds).
        And whether or not the STDs were enough to drive her to suicide (and whether JC knew she was so sensitive that he could have anticipated that reaction from her……these are all issues to be determined by the jury, thus I’m not surprised the motion for SJ was denied either.)

        I think this case is going to turn on how much Co$ dirt comes out. Too much and COB will demand the plug be pulled – in legal parlance, that is known as the ‘Debbie Cook strategy’

        • How can COB demand that Cat’s mother dismiss her case?

          • MarcabExpat

            They can only demand that Burton dismiss his. But they (and Burton) likely ginned up her feelings to think this was a good idea, judging from the fact that at the time of the funeral she was extremely complimentary to Carrey. If so, if they end up trying to pressure her to drop it, it will be another of their classic lawsuit footbullets. Not as bad as Debbie Cook, but it could get a few sad scapegoats in trouble.

            I think Burton thought he could get JC to pay for his Bridge. If the coverage of this suit backfires on them, his Bridge is going to get a lot more expensive.

          • Chee Chalker

            They can’t. I was just referring to Burton

            But I’m guessing that without Burton, the plaintiffs attorney might be a little less gung ho about the case

        • The texts about the STDs were February 2013.
          She took her life September 2015.

          I’m not saying that there was no connection, but it’s Burton’s/Sweetman’s lawyers claiming that there was one.

          • Chee Chalker

            Yes of course they will claim it scarred her for life, etc etc
            And all that may true
            I hope JCs team manages
            To expose Burton and (sadly) Cat’s own mother as money hungry.

            Burton especially. He was nothing more than a friend who did her a
            favor so she could get a green card.

            She got a green card
            Burton got the greed card

            My theory is that Burton was told to marry Cat in the hopes to get JC into the Co$ down the line.
            Oh wow, can you imagine if they could actually prove that ? How awesome would that be….

      • MarcabExpat

        Given the court denied the motion to “dismiss” (probablyโ€‹ a motion for summary judgment at this.point), the plaintiffs probably have some evidence to support the allegation.

        That logic isn’t self-evident. The police investigated her death, noted the issues with the drugs, and didn’t have a problem with his behavior. And giving other people your drugs is a crime.

        • Philbyification

          All they need is one genuine issue of fact in dispute to survive the motion for S.J. The civil burden of proof is much lower than criminal…

        • Robert Eckert

          At the stage of dismissal or summary judgment motions, there does not need to be any supporting evidence (it is for the jury to weigh evidence and draw factual conclusions), only legally sufficient allegations. The standard is that if there are any factual issues in dispute which, if resolved in the plaintiff’s favor, would give plaintiff a legal cause of action, the suit will not be dismissed. A suit will be dismissed if, even taking every allegation in the complaint to be true, that still does not give the plaintiff the right to any recovery, or summary judgment will be granted if the two sides have agreed to enough facts to resolve the case as a matter of law.

          • This is wrong. If this was a summary judgment motion (which I believe it was), there would have to be at least some supporting evidence to create a triable issue of material fact to defeat the motion. If there was NO evidence Carrey did anything wrong that caused or contributed to Cat’s death, the court would grant the motion for summary judgment and dismiss the case (or, more precisely, enter judgment for Carrey).

            • Robert Eckert

              You’re wrong. Plaintiff alleges that Carrey gave her the drugs; Defendant denies that; that’s a triable issue of material fact. It is not the judge’s job to look at any evidence because the judge does not try facts. The judge must presume that evidence will be presented to support the plaintiff’s allegations.

          • MarcabExpat

            Exactly, and well summed.

      • Interested2

        Where is the proof that he gave her the std’s? Unless they both had a tests done before sleeping together there is no proof . He could have got them from her. That’s the problem with SDT’s. Sleep with one without your “Raincoat”. you have slept with thousands.

        • Missionary Kid

          If your partner is a virgin, you’ve only slept with them. They’ve slept with uncounted people if you’re not a virgin.

          The timing of the tests, with the use of medical records, while they wouldn’t be absolute proof, would prove that both people had the same problem at the same time. There wouldn’t be absolute proof, but a preponderance of evidence is what a jury in a civil trial will take into account.

          Texts between the two of them would also be taken into account. I have no sympathy for the fake husband. Legally, he can try to sue, but a counter claim that it was a sham marriage would also be a part of evidence. I’ll bet that he got no STD’s from his fake wife, because the marriage was a sham, but he can always claim that he stopped sleeping with her because she told him about the STD’s. Since she’s dead, and not able to testify, I expect all sorts of claims on his part.

      • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

        From TO’s post “after Cat overdosed on drugs that had been prescribed to Carrey and that she had apparently taken from his apartment.”

        So, he didn’t give her the drugs, she took them. Whether with or without his knowledge, he’s not responsible for her death, she is, although $cientology obviously fucked her up, which led to her mental problems.

        • I linked to the New York Daily News story reporting the allegations of the Complaint. Further, Tony used the word “apparently.” At this pre-trial stage, the judge does not have the power or the right to determine what “apparently” happened. That is for the jury to decide.

    • Peter

      It must might be that the judge has access to information that you don’t? Maybe? Judges HATE to be reversed, avoid it like the plague. So until proven otherwise, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Robert Eckert

        The judge does not look at any information at all, at this stage, only at the “four corners” of the filed papers. For a motion to dismiss, it is assumed that the evidence at trial will all be as the plaintiff alleges that it will be, and the question for the judge is whether, even if everything the plaintiff is saying is assumed for the moment to be true, even so the plaintiff has no case. It is a high bar.

    • That’s incorrect. The judge’s job at this time is to determine if a jury needs to rule on a set of facts. That’s all.

      Carey’s lawyers attempted to get the case dismissed, which was also the right move.

      So no surprises.

  • Graham

    “sorded messages” Typo?

    • chukicita

      great minds.

  • Kid Kat

    So the cult utterly ruined Cathrione and now they will try to utterly ruin Jim Carrey as well.

  • DexterSka

    This is a monumental occasion. Scientology is still talking about somebody after their suicide.

  • Ella Raitch

    For readers who weren’t in The Bunker at the time please follow the links above to the Cathriona White stories. Following this story in real time was pretty harrowing.

    Of course this is going to be dragged through the courts….it wouldn’t be a Scientology story if it didn’t. I can only hope for peace for all of those who lost their loved one, and a rapid end to the carnival

    • Newiga

      Following this story in real time was pretty harrowing.

      Indeed it was. Harrowing, heart-breaking, etc. T_T

      • Ella Raitch

        Tony walked a very tight line breaking astonishing details in a confusing time of wall to wall gossip reports. I remember thinking how hard it was for the family, but k owing that if it was my daughter I sould want all of the details recovered beford being lost to time and memory.

        • Newiga

          Yes, Cat was a daughter, a friend, a girlfriend, a young woman etc. Tony made sure her voice was heard and not buried.

          R.I.P Cat <3 I'm so sorry you felt this was the only way out.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Yes, this is a day for clicking on all the embedded links in the article. It was one breaking news story after another, all of them tragic.

      • Philbyification

        Do you know of any links that catalog ALL the Suicides and Questionable Deaths in re Co$? Can’t quite find an exhaustive list if there is one?

    • Snuzey

      It was indeed harrowing. I had to walk away from Scn watching for a while as it upset me so much at the time. ๐Ÿ™

      The sheer blatant money hunting on show here stinks worse than an anchovies genitals.

    • Mick Roberts

      This was before my time, so I’ll make sure to read through it Ella Raitch.

      • Mick Roberts

        Whoa! Sorry to go OT here, but your user name just hit me. Ella Raitch = LRH. Clever. And this whole time I was just casually thinking your real name must be Ella and last name Raitch. Sometimes I feel like a real idiot.

        • dreamcatcher

          oooooooooooooh….

          hm.
          can I sit in the idiot corner with you? ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • MarcabExpat

          Heee we’ve all been there. I once had someone ask me where I was from, i.e., where was Marcab?

          • Mick Roberts

            I’ll admit, being new to this stuff and all at the time, I had to look that one up when I first saw your name as well. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • MarcabExpat

              LOL but you did look it up ๐Ÿ™‚

              The great thing about easter eggs like this is there’s always something fascinating to find. The only boring thing about Scientology is the tech itself.

        • otviii2late

          Me too. Can we have a “Here’s what my avatar and name means” for those of us in the idiot corner?

          • ze moo

            I’ll bring the hats.

        • RexAinsfree

          I’m in the same corner. I only figured it out about a week or two ago. That, and ze moo. Ze moo makes me chuckle every time I see it XD

          • ze moo

            It’s the hat, isn’t it?

            • RexAinsfree

              Who doesn’t love a cow with a jaunty hat?

          • Mick Roberts

            Thanks RexAinsfree. I now just realized what Ze moo means! Learning all of this stuff, the Bunker is never gonna be the same for me….

            • RexAinsfree

              The Bunker only just gets better and betterer!

        • Some time ago, we had a scio commenting only to Ella, because she was the only one using her real name – *loh o hol*

        • JaxNGold

          You’re not an idiot…lol. It took me a couple months to realize her username was “LRH”.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Mick – this one is a must read and another that is even more intense (but paints the appropriate perspectives is the series Tony did on Lisa McPherson. He did a day-by-day countdown-style recap of everything she went through (to give readers a real sense of how everyday went for the last days while she was under the “care” of the CO$. Links are just above the comments section, at the bottom of the daily story. There are numerous links there to important stories to read as well as the ones people seem to search for most commonly. It’s a rabbit home filled w/incredible stories!

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Rabbit hole… (mental note to self – stop posting while falling back asleep)

    • When you try to look at it objectively, it’s difficult to see how this situation could have turned out any other way, given Scientology’s attitudes toward ‘celebrity’, psychiatry, money and the courts.

      They tried to recruit a sceptical film actor (who would probably have proved to be an hilarious loose cannon, if he had have got involved). To do this they exploited someone with depression, whom they had also likely deprived of medication in favour of quackery like the ‘purif’.

      After that resulted in calamity, Scientologist stepped forward to ruthlessly sue for money, using dirty tactics – money that has likely already been ‘donated’. Even if their case fails, they can bash psychiatry in the process because the unfortunate young woman chose to end her life with an overdose of prescribed medication.

      When you add Scientology’s utter ruthlessness (the ends justify the means) and their ability to lie and to change their story to suit themselves you can see tragedies like this coming. People either comply or are broken.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    OT cross-post from Pete G.

    From this lady: https://www.facebook.com/bernadettechristie

    Does anyone on this page know Eddy Monteith. He is 42 years old on August 11. He is from B.C. Canada, left for Germany about 2001/02, and then lived in East Grimstead England for a few years, was in a play at the theater, and I think did landscaping. Good looking, tall dark hair, likes fitness. Last I found he was in I think LA on a radio or some kind of scientology publicity advertising. Then I believe he went to Aruba to the flag ship. I am his mother and if anyone has any information please do let me know. or pm me. If anything bad should happen to him, I certainly would take care of him!! He ignores me and has me blocked on email. TIA.

    • John McMillan

      “There is no such thing as disconnection as has been characterized in the press. $cientology values the family above……blah blah blah blah blah……” – Tommy The Turd.

      • moonnfire

        It’s funny, when I see old footage of him I cannot believe they made him a spokesman. His stutter when he was lying was such a giveaway. He was a terrible spokesman

        • abdaman

          He was way too emotional

        • Chee Chalker

          He really was like a petulant child.
          But Miscavige knew that Tommy Davis could afford fancy suits and shoes and was handsome and tall….all the things Miscavige is not.

      • Philbyification

        That Vile kid featured earlier in the week being a twat on Twitter looks awfully like Tommy….I wonder where they adopted him from? LOL

    • Graham

      ‘East Grimstead’. I like it ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • PickAnotherID

    I wonder how many other scam marriages $cientology has abetted to get around immigration laws for it’s members??

    • John Prince

      Excellent question. .One the INS & Homeland Security should be looking into ๐Ÿ‘Š

  • John McMillan

    I agree Tony the court should keep it in mind, but as has been demonstrated time and again that’s the only place they’re going to keep it.

    Great judicial system you got here in the States.

  • Ritter Joe

    To pronouce Cathriona just say Katrina (like the 2005 Hurricane). Irish spelling is like that. And be grateful if you don’t know anyone called “Caoimhe”.

    • Observer

      As Tony posted at the time, her mother told the press that it’s pronounced Cath-ree-ona.

    • Sherbet

      I believe “Katrina” is close to the correct pronunciation. It’s Ca TREE ona, and the “o” is sort of swallowed and not emphasized.

      • Ritter Joe

        Thanks, you described it better than I did !

  • Mary

    If Carrey were a scientologist, Mark Burton nor any other scientologist, would be allowed to sue Jim Carrey.

  • Chee Chalker

    The depositions in this case could get very embarrassing for both sides.
    Though it sounds like much of the dirt on JC has already been released (the STDs. meds in another name (not unusual in Hollywood)).
    Unfortunately, it’s Cat’s turn to be dragged through the mud and her ‘husband’ and family don’t seem to care.
    This one will be interesting to watch….. with Aftermath being so popular, the last thing COB needs is more dirt to be exposed.
    I could see the Co$ ordering Burton to drop the suit if too much came out. That will leave Cat’s mother hanging in the wind, exposed as the opportunist she apparently is.

    • MarcabExpat

      I betcha they/Burton talked her into it. Remember how she initially praised and thanked JC for everything he’d done and how wonderful he’d been to the family? And, like, made him an actual pallbearer? And walked arm in arm with him to the funeral?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/227f2a6bcbbf535aa2ef441033f85805eb0c3f73361e70b530b92aca74baf316.png

    • I have to admit to a big chunk of curiousity. What does the rest of Cat’s family think about the lawsuit?

      • Chee Chalker

        Very good question

        • And it could be a vital question for the defence. If Cat’s mother approached her ex-husband and tried to get him involved, whatever she said to him would be relevant, and admissible.

          • Chee Chalker

            Cat’s father passed away a couple of years ago IIRC but any other family members could certainly be questioned
            Also….I’m willing to bet a couple of people from that ‘wedding picture’ would be willing to talk

  • moonnfire

    Out of curiosity does anyone know at what point the IRS would consider a “religion” like COS to be defunct? If everyone but say 5 members left, the rest would have significant money and land holdings. At what point would the 501C3 status be taken away because the group is too small?

    • ze moo

      I don’t think size has much to do with the tax exemption. it is the money behind everything that matters.

    • ExCult.Jan

      In this case, size does not matter.

      My former cult was even more miniscule than Co$ when it applied for and attained 503c status.

    • Robert Eckert

      The Shakers are down to one or two.

  • What’sup

    I hope this blows up in their faces, it’s distasteful in the extreme. I feel for Jim here, I’ve been a big fan since In Living Color. https://youtu.be/XYZ6_n7Mpb0

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I look forward to an expanded edition of, “The Joker is Wild”.

  • Bleh. All the details seep back into my head.

    Category:Cathriona White

  • Sejanus

    Rootinng for Carrey in this and I am no fan of his other than for the Truman Show and The Majestic.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I don’t want to see anyone shaken down, especially by CO$. What Carrey said and did to that poor girl (AFTER giving her diseases & trying to make her feel bad for being upset about it) in trying to force her to sign an agreement that she could never speak publicly about (hmmm… sounds like a familiar tactic!) him giving her STD’s.

      …Yep she went back to him later, but plenty of us girls went back to boyfriend(s) we shouldn’t have & he has that celebrity element coupled with the fact she felt she was now damaged goods due to what she’d caught from him. So, I don’t know that I feel totally sorry for JC that his ego & bullying of this poor girl was exposed.

      That said, they did get back together and she clearly did care deeply for him. For her so-called husband to drag her reputation through the mud postmortem and have this be the way she was publicly known would likely have horrified Cathriona and is terrible!

      Edited for spelling & clarity

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Jenny? You on a smart phone or having some sort of mild brain upset? That text has me worried about you.

        • ExCult.Jan

          Kinda cofveve….

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Sorry – I started it, went to fix it after my 18mo swiped the phone from my hand, “fixed it” & managed to hit โœ… and forgot to go back & fix after laying him back down (& falling asleep while holding him).
          You are TOO kind, truly! I genuinely โค๏ธ how cared for I feel here!

          • Missionary Kid

            He’s a VERY active kid. Jenyfurrrr has her hands full.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              MK can vouch – he & I were chatting & my little one tried to bring him about 50% of the toys he owned “to share” while we talked (& that was when he wasn’t climbing on tables & other furniture!) LOL – you were a great sport MK even while having both Kiddos fight for your attention! ๐Ÿ˜˜

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m used to kid wrangling. When you get to leave them, it’s a lot easier. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Lol! True that! They โค๏ธ’d you! Especially my little guy! He was so confused when the hubby came in & you weren’t with him – he kept looking out the window trying to figure out why you didn’t come back in too.

      • Lulu Belle

        I know this isn’t a popular viewpoint around here, but there’s stuff out there about Carrey and his relationships with women and none of it is good. I’m not saying that he was responsible for anyone’s suicide or drug taking, but he is known to have a very dark side. Google “Jenny Mccarthy’s ex blind item”.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          With you there Lulu… I know the guys who responded are being careful because CO$ is involved, but round these parts (So Cal) it’s fairly openly known by friends I have who work in the industry that JC doesn’t treat women well at ALL and they’ll notice that NO one in the industry at all will go near him w/a 10′ pole, let alone their private parts because of his proclivities and past. If you read through his court documents he never once denies the texts are his, he focuses entirely on the fact that they reunited after the whole debacle.

        • Missionary Kid

          Jenny McCarthy is a piece of work herself. Her anti-vaccination stance is unscientific, and based on total bullshit. The British doctor who started connecting autism to vaccinations faked his results and ultimately, lost his license to practice medicine.

      • Note that we have no proof that Carrey gave Cat VD. She might not have had VD – the texts could be fakes. Or she might have picked it up from someone else.

        Currently we do not know.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          See my reply to LuluBelle below, he’s pretty well-known in Hollywood/LA circles for some of those things which is why most of the rag-style publications didn’t focus or sound shocked at that portion of it – just his response.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          PS – generally I tend to look at this stuff exactly as you say above though… just have friends that were warned away from him who’d worked w/him in a movie. it’ll be interesting to see if this ever gets to court.
          Now I do NOT think he gave her drugs to kill herself nor do I think he’s responsible for her suicide at all, though! Just that he’s an arse that needs to learn to use a condom.

          • I know nothing about him off camera, but a star being an ass is nothing new. Which is depressing.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Yeah I was actually bummed to hear that because I’d been a fan since his WAY back days on Mad TV, so for some reason I’d hoped or thought he’d be a nicer guy IRL.
              At least there are a few out there that are known for being nice people and treating all crew respectfully, etc. That stuff just isn’t newsworthy. ๐Ÿ˜œ

      • Chewkacca

        There’s no proof yet that the STDs came from Carrey. They may have come from her creepy $cientologist “husband”. A court-ordered test might be…. illuminating.
        WOOAAH!

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          I responded to Wayne B & LuluBelle, but yeah it would be quite interesting if this makes it to court (I rather doubt it will – it’s a blatant cash grab & he’ll be advised to pay to make it go away). So I don’t think we’ll get to learn more ๐Ÿ˜•though I’m morbidly curious. IMHO he’s a dirty cad but not responsible for her tragic choice to end her life. I DO think Scio has a LOT to do with the latter, sadly!

  • Burton apparently had obtained Catโ€™s smartphone after her death,

    Probably because he was the husband of record, making him “next of kin”.

    Assuming that Scientology wasn’t accessing her phone all along.

    • ze moo

      What makes you certain that Cat’s minders didn’t look at it every week? Carey needs to see that phone and do some forensics on it.

      • I presume that they were all over her phone and security system. That’s the way they roll. Regardless of how Cat felt, Scientology would have had a whole little project trying to hook in Jim Carrey using her. It was someone’s stat every week.

        • and an excellent avenue for Carrey’s legal sharks to pursue.

          What pressure was the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology putting Cat White under to enroll Carrey?

          The Co$ had better hope that not a single one of Cat’s friends from those days have left and are willing to speak up…

  • Observer

    OT: HowdyCon officially starts three weeks from today!

    • stanrogers

      How is that OT? And (knowing this bunch, who mostly ain’t got much time for rules and such) when is the unofficial start?

      • Observer

        Unofficially, it never ends.

    • Kim O’Brien

      getting excited !

  • Newiga

    OT: Looks like it’s going to snow in June in my neck of the woods. WTF!?!? Glad there’s the Paris Agreement and….

    • Rasha

      Looking at the map, I assume it’s ALL lake-effect snow!

      (Also, if I had known all those city names years ago, I would have TOTALLY rocked at Scrabble) ^_^

      • Newiga

        Scrabble with Finnish cities is fun. Too many Qs, not enough ร„s and ร–s. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Rasha

          Yeah, but if you can nail a Triple Word Score…… ShhhhBAP!

          • Rasha

            Correction: Trรฏple Wรถrd Scรถrรซ. ^_^

    • There’s nothing unusual about snow in June when you live as far north as I do.

      • Newiga

        In Northern Finland that wouldn’t be unusual either but here, where I live, very much so.

        • In northern Canada where I am it isn’t unusual (it snowed just over a week ago). But it isn’t common either. Happens at least once every ten years.

    • ze moo

      I have seen snow in the middle of May in Syracuse NY. June, not so much. There is snow until August in places in the New Hampshire mountains. Snow is better than tornadoes.

  • [Daily Mail] Burton, who filed his suit on September 19, claims that Carrey used surveillance cameras outside White’s LA home to keep track of her. His assistant knew she’d gone home on September 24, and hadn’t left for more than a day, but neither she not Carrey called the cops, the suit alleged.

    Odd, because I recall mention that Jenny Burpeeโ€Ž, ex-CC Sea Org, remotely checked that security system before going over to check on Cat. (Burpee was supposed to take Cat on a hiking trip, but took off without her for vague “I forgot” reasons. Nice alibi.)

    All the stories tend to have headlines that Carrey “faces trial for the death”, deliberately giving the wrong impression that this is a criminal trial rather than a civil suit. If it bleeds, it leads, eh!

    • Robert Eckert

      You’re not suggesting that Burton is lying about who put in those cameras?

      • No, but if it was “Jim Carrey’s spy system”, then how did they have access to it, and when did they check it? (Before or after Jenny Burpee’s sudden trip out of town?)

        Hopefully all the access logs from that system were collected as forensic evidence, but I don’t have too much hope of that.

        • MarcabExpat

          Right, and who were the first on the scene? And what did they take away? And why did they give everything the once-over themselves instead of immediately calling authorities?

          • The thing that’s missing from the story is their call to Celebrity Centre OSA before they called the police.

            Everything I know tells me that would have happened.

            Then everything would be on hold while they decided to scramble a team over to see if anything needed cleaning up before the police arrived. There were a stack of notes from Cat. Someone would have to check them all to make sure none of them blamed Scientology for her suicide. Possibly tidy up the contents of her phone, computer, etc. Remove study materials?

            If there was a cleanup team sent, then the security system would have to be shut off or tampered with, or the police would probably have found video of their arrival.

            • Problem is, once the evidence has been wiped and the super professional police have failed to find anything other than the blindingly obvious, the death gets filed as not needing no further investigation. Of course we can’t be sure that this happened here, or in Clearwater in the Kyle Brennan case, but OSA is certainly able and willing to go this far (and further) to avoid the embarrassment of a Patrice Vic style manslaughter trial.

            • MarcabExpat

              Bingo. From what we’ve already heard, they were there and they know way more about the case than they should know.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Not that it matters, but I thought that Burpee checked the surveillance tapes after she and her friends found Cat but before the police were called. It was supposedly done so that the friends could figure out if anyone had come or gone over that time period and to try to narrow down when Cat may have died. Either way, I have a hard time believing that Carrey installed a security system and then Burpee had access to it.

      • And why would they be checking out the security system before calling the cops?

        • Puget Buckeye

          I’m no expert, but from what I understand, Scientologists do damage control before calling the authorities. Whether it’s calling the church (OSA) or maybe checking a security system, they seem to be in the habit of covering the church’s ass before calling in outsiders. I could be wrong, but that’s my remembrance of this situation and my impression of church members.

  • ze moo

    Depression can and does cause too many deaths. White was just another victim who didn’t get the real help she needed. Members of the clam scam used her to try to get Jim Carey into the fold. How much pressure did White get to ‘land’ Carey so someones 2pm Thursday stats were ‘up’?

    Detailing that pressure will be Carey’s lawyers biggest hurdle.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Exactly right! But Cat didn’t just neglect to get professional help in dealing with her depression while in the cult, she was actively discouraged from seeking it, while simultaneously being sent through a very long and intensive set of cult rituals which may very well have exacerbated her depression and isolated her to such an extent that suicide seemed to her to be her only option.

      $cn is a cult of enforced happiness in which everyone is group-conditioned to never discuss their “case” with their co-cultists, to never seek effective mental health treatment or, at any time, to suggest to others or admit to self that its procedures are ineffective. For the merely neurotic, not getting any better can be justified and rationalized, seemingly, forever. However, for folks with serious mental disorders, being placed in a group think environment where you’re not only prevented from seeking effective treatment, but required to act as if $cn is helping you when it’s not, these contributing factors can easily make the isolating aspects of clinical depression just that much worse.

      Elron very explicitly framed $cn as a workable system which is designed “to make the able more able,” while those with serious mental illness were specifically excluded. On its face, this move by the flounder in denying those who are suffering the worst the supposedly miraculous benefits of $cn was both illogical and cruel. But when you realize that the ineffectiveness of $cn auditing in treating those with serious mental illness would quickly become apparent if the cult didn’t classify them as “illegal PCs,” it all begins to make sense as a tactic to disguise its fundamental unworkability.

      The sad, tragic end that Cat met at her own hands didn’t just happen in spite of the “help” she received from $cn and its zombified followers; it occurred, at least in part, as a result of it!

  • Interested2

    Jim if you are out there… Read Tony’s blog…….

  • Victoria Pandora

    Paragraph nine; “sorded”, I think you mean “sordid”.
    Put Jim Carey’s name on that long list of people who wish they’d never heard of $cientology.

  • Mick Roberts

    Good morning to all of you journalists attending today’s lesson in Investigative Journalism 101. Pull up a seat, read this article today, and let’s get learning!

  • ze moo
    • Supper Powers

      As an equal opportunity hater of all religion, I hate this.

      • Sherbet

        I hate it because it’s so obviously not an expression of faith but merely a poke in the eye of authority, and Corbett must be an ass in real life.

        Edit: Authority deserves to get a poke in the eye at times, but we need standards, rules, and common sense. This is just Corbett goofing around, and it’s silly.

        • Supper Powers

          That doesn’t bother me. I don’t like religion interfering with security and covering your head in an official photograph does that. I think it’s a funny and mocks this very thing, I just hate that it was allowed.

          • Sherbet

            You’re right. How can there be any real ID if there are hoods, hats, or religious garb interfering with what a person really looks like? Rhetorical question.

            Corbett is an organ donor; I’ll give him that.

            • Supper Powers

              The organ donor status is pretty awesome.

          • Rasha

            The article says that they will void the license, i believe.

            • Rasha

              “However, a spokesman with the Arizona Department of Transportation told KNXV that while some exceptions are made for religious headwear, Corbett’s colander getup probably shouldn’t have been allowed, so the state is going to void the photo and driver’s license.”

              http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/us/pasta-strainer-license-photo-trnd/index.html

            • Draco

              Must be a slow news day…

        • Graham

          I see it as confronting the nonsense of allowing exceptions for ‘religious’ reasons. This guy’s religious sentiments are obviously fake but why is it less valid for him to have concessions for his fake religion when ‘Slappy’ Dave Miscavige is allowed concessions for his fake made-up religion?

          • Sherbet

            I understand, but it’s supposed to be a photo ID and proof of having the privilege of being a licensed driver. It’s also for safety’s sake, so that the authorities know who they are dealing with in, say, a traffic stop or worse infraction. Dave’s fakery doesn’t alter a person’s appearance and make a parishioner look like a buffoon in his/her official ID.

            If you’re a potential employer, would you want to look at this guy’s ID and hire someone who is making a political point in the wrong place?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I hate this because he doesn’t have to go back to the damn DMV to renew his license until 2045.

        Props for being an organ donor though. ๐Ÿ˜€

        • mark

          I had a manager who grew up in AZ and still had his license from there at the time. He was married with four kids, in hid late 30s and completely bald. The picture was of a skinny teenager with hair down to his shoulders. Had he stayed in AZ he probably would have had the same picture until he was 70.

    • PJK

      O/T: But can anybody explain why there is a weight category on the drivers license? Isn’t this a fairly changeable attribute? If you drop 10 pounds you need to apply for a new drivers license? The same goes for hair color? A woman who goes from brunette to blond thanks to some hair coloring product suddenly needs a new drivers license?

      None of these things is mentioned on the European standardized driving license, though it does mention town of residence (and country of course). That’s already problematic enough if you move from town to town frequently enough (you’d have to renew your license then i.s.o at the expiration date, which every ten years).

      I can’t imagine having to update my license on weight or hair color change!

      • ze moo

        It is not necessary to report weight gains or losses, nor hair color. If you move, you mail in a form with your new address. You don’t have to get a new license for that either.

      • Quick empathy

        I would NEVER tell the BMV the truth about my real weight and hair color! Hell I’d lie about my age if I could get away with it!!!!๐Ÿ˜‚

      • mark

        At one time licenses were renewed somewhat often, four years in my state. Those times have increased over the years. Typically, weight does not change drastically over a 5 year period, so a few pounds either way would not matter, also, forty years ago (or less depending on state) the picture was not on the license. With no picture the description was the main way to verify that the person holding the license was in fact that person. a weight of 140 would not appear incorrect if the person had gained or lost a few pounds. If the weight was listed at 140 and the holder was clearly a lot more, then they may be detained for further verification.

        in most states if you change your legal address, you are required to update your license. This does not apply to a college student, as the legal address is likely that of the parent. There are other similar situations where this might apply as well.

        In recent years other issues have come up with trangender people having difficulties getting their identity documents changed.

        To your point, it is a flawed system in many ways. The only reason it is effective at all is that most people are mostly honest. Meaning that even if the description is out of date the card is still their identification and not stolen from another.

      • EDN/laineybin

        And it’s not like they weigh you – you tell them what you weigh so how accurate is it anyways?

    • mark

      good luck to this guy ever trying to talk his way out of a traffic ticket.

    • Newiga

      I’m sorry but this made me laugh my ass off. Look at the smirk on that guys face!

  • SarahDB

    Tony, typo in the second sentence below the fake wedding photo, should read “sordid”

    • Supper Powers

      Tony has the largest staff of editors of any journalist I know. It’s kind of great.

      • MarcabExpat

        And we work for free! At least, he only has to feed us once a day.

  • MarcabExpat

    I hope it’s not too late for Mark Burton to get into some sort of trouble for green card fraud.

    And if pressure on Cathriona from Scientology did contribute to their breakup, I hope that comes out and gets a huge amount of attention in the trial and in the press.

    Anyone who’s seen Eternal Sunshine knows that Carrey is capable of delivering a performance of shattering heartbreak. They may think it’s a good idea to put him in a position where he’s threatened with taking the stand, but if he actually does, their goose is cooked. I honestly hope he’s pissed enough not to fold and settle. Exposing the pressure they were putting Cathriona under would be at least an iota of justice for her.

  • TexasBroad

    One has to prove damages in a civil suit. Not to minimize his actual pain if he cared for her, but in the litigation, I’m not sure that the loss of your fake wife is going to be very persuasive to a Judge or jury.

    • Which is why Cat’s mother is involved. She has a greater claim than Burton.

      But…

      They’d have to prove that Carrey was responsible for Cat’s death (he gave Cat the pills) or that he was negligent (he knew someone had been stealing pills, and not stored them in a safer place).

      Can they prove either responsibility or negligence? I have no idea.

  • Sherbet

    Six degrees of sleaze. This one is connected to that one who’s related to that other one. It’s like a spider’s web.

    • Observer

      Scientology is creepily incestuous (figuratively speaking).

      • Sherbet

        Another good way to describe it.

  • flyonthewall

    Judge: “Green card husband wants to sue deceased wife’s boyfriend? I’m going to allow this”

    o.O ok then

    • Supper Powers

      New headline.

      • Supper Powers

        In fact, going forward, I’d like to suggest Fly and Jimmy3 see advance copies of Tony’s articles so they can be in charge of all future headlines. Thank you.

        • flyonthewall

          if Tony ever hands over any editorial responsibilities to me and/or Jimmy it would signal the beginning of the end of the Bunker.

          • It’s actually one of the signs of the End of All Things foretold in the Amzamivaram.

            • flyonthewall

              word?

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            • The Tarvunti says “easy,” not “cheap.”

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

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    • Sherbet

      Or, as Carrey himself would say, “Alrighty, then!”

    • John Prince

      This outta be fun..If JC clenches his asscheeks together and hires a pack of vulture litigators ๐Ÿ˜Ž
      Could keep the Tabloids buzzing with activity, like the smp Studios. .

    • GrangerFX

      Because what the cherch needs is more of this kind of attention from the tabloid press. Way to go DM. Pulling it in as usual.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    The ghouls of Scientology are again exposed in all their sordid splendor. This story has an added fillip of hypocrisy. It was Scientology that sent this fragile young woman over the edge, and Jim Carrey who was trying to pull her back. So, of course, they are suing him. Sleaze, thy name is Scientology.

    • Observer

      And exploiting the grieving mother to do so. (pssst…it’s fillip)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I am posting in a hurry today…!

      • flyonthewall

        Grieving mother is acting like just as much a vulture as green card husband is. Did this green card husband she’s teamed up with pay for the funeral or to ship her body back to Ireland or even go to the freakin funeral? Nope. Carrey did all those things and genuinely grieved over the loss. But the mom decides to team up with the nobody scumbag cultie who published her daughter’s private txts about having an STD? Wtf is that? She’s just as bad as he is

        • Observer

          I’m not saying her motives are pure. But my guess is that she was invited to be a party to the lawsuit because a grieving mother carries more weight than a green card husband.

          • flyonthewall

            No doubt. Which makes it even worse on her part

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Plus, grieving parents are extremely easy prey for manipulative scoundrels who have absolutely no moral compunction in using them for their own gains – a category of low dog human which the cherch seems to selectively breed for, like it was going for the blue ribbon prize at the Cult Kennel Club Competition.

            • Chewkacca

              Please don’t insult dogs by comparing them to $cn. A better comparison would be to rats, weasels, or cockroaches.
              The smell of money was too strong, and it overcame the fear of any exposure. A miscalculation on their part for the following reasons: 1) Jim Carrey is not afraid of $cn, and has money to defend himself. 2) He dislikes $cn, and will do whatever it takes to ensure they don’t get a dime, and 3) Every sleazy move they make will be exposed by Tony and other media. It’s a lose/lose situation.
              AAAROOUGH!

            • Harpoona Frittata

              That’s a point well taken!

              I agree, there’s almost no way in the world that if Carrey refuses to settle, this comes out any way but bad for the cult, and even worse for the parasitic ghouls who thought they had a prime opportunity to extort money from a celeb.

              Quite elronically, the cult which lays blame for every possible bad effect in the world at the feet of those who experience them, is eager to place the responsibility for this poor women’s tragic suicide anywhere except on her and her involvement with $cn and her group of $cilon friends.

        • Gina Smith

          Lash out at the mother. Real classy. Let’s ignore the fact Carrey deliberately gave Catriona STDs and then tried to shift the blame onto her.
          Suicide carries one hell of a stigma here in Ireland and my mother was able to tell me about a young girl who was buried with no service because she killed herself and the Priest refused to officiate so we’re not talking ancient history either.
          Maybe take time to think it’s better for the family if the abuse Catriona endured is made pubic so it’s quite clear she was unbalanced at the time of her death.

          • JaxNGold

            Deliberately gave her an STD?? And you have proof of this?

            • Gina Smith

              Well if Carrey’s so damned innocent then he’ll enjoy his day in court, won’t he?
              Still no reason for the horrible attacks on Catriona’s mother.

            • JaxNGold

              What horrible “attacks”?

          • Robert Eckert

            That’s not a “fact”. In fact, that is an absurd think to say.

            • Gina Smith

              No, what’s bloody absurd are the vile comments about Catriona’s mother and don’t bother telling me it isn’t because she’s working with a clam. It’s like watching the CoS smears in reverse.
              Away and catch yourselves on and try to show a bit of decency.

            • Robert Eckert

              No, it’s not just because she’s working with a clam. It’s because she was absent from her daughter’s life, sent her a horrible message that she was worthless while she was already in the throes of depression, accepted Carrey’s help and comforting, and then turns on him. As for your suggestion that he “intentionally” infected Cat, that is so vile that you forfeit any right to speak to anybody about “decency”, ever again.

      • Robert Eckert

        It also has a fillup of hypocrisy, like 20 gallons of hypocrisy into a 10-gallon tank.

        • Wordplay. 20 Bunkerpoints.

    • I do love the word fillip. One so rarely sees a good fillip any more.

      • John McMillan

        Which reminds me I have to pick up a fillip screwdriver.

        • What? Phillip said “screwdriver?”

        • Sherbet

          I drank the last of the orange juice. Sorry.

    • Gina Smith

      Just for once look at this without bias. Yes, Scientology contributed bur Carrey mentally and physically abused Catriona and that cannot be lossed over or excused.

  • Kim O’Brien

    i know this lawsuit really has no legs or rational basis …but i really think JC is a total asshole who was sleeping with a woman young enough to be his kid , knew she had issues , and knew that she was in scientology and that any ” issues” would never be addressed . Of ALL the 20 somethings he could be fucking in Hollywood , he chooses a scientologist with depression issues . i think the guy is a douche with his own mental issues . He thinks autism is caused by vaccines and he got his science from a girlfriend with silicone tits and botox in her face . Fuck that guy .

    • Sherbet

      I think you’re probably pretty accurate on all counts. But I also think Carrey is being railroaded because, as a Hollywood star, he has money.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i agree . But all the more reason to not be an idiot

    • Supper Powers

      Agreed. I’ll take asshole over Scientologist any day of the week though.

      • Sherbet

        Plus Carrey has his own depression issues.

    • Observer

      And she was an adult who chose to be with a screwed-up man with a history of mental health issues, and who is old enough to be her father. Not a Carrey fan AT ALL, but this situation isn’t all on him.

      • cactusflower67

        And if she had gotten proper psychiatric care instead of falling for $camatology, she wouldn’t have needed to steal his medication. Let’s not let her off the hook.

      • Kimmy3

        Agreed, she was an adult woman and made her own choices.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i know . but the fact that she was running around looking for someone to marry her , should give a signal to a grown ass mature man , that maybe it’s not a good idea to date an emotionally vulnerable 20 something who believes in super powers but not therapy . What 50 something year old man thinks to himself ” Ah yes ….that would be a good idea . Know what would be better ? If i gave her keys to my house and access to my medicine cabinet and screw her once and awhile cuz i am an artist and we just need to express ourselves ”

        He likes emotionally unstable women young enough to be his daughter . Sure …it’s legal , but anyone in a cult is not in their right mind …and anyone who screws someone like that and tells them that they care about them , is a total parasite .

        • Observer

          Frankly, we have no idea what their relationship was like. We have a few scraps from the media–hardly enough to make either a sweeping defense or a sweeping condemnation of either one.

          I don’t buy that it was all on him. She chose to steal his drugs. She was more than willing to sleep with him. She was in the relationship of her own free will. He is every bit as immature and unstable as she was (age does not mean maturity, especially for someone who’s been idolized and fawned over and surrounded by yes-men as long as he has). They both made choices that led to this situation.

          It’s a pity she couldn’t have been happy as a regular person in Ireland. She’d have been far better off if she’d never met that Scientologist family, never come here, never met Carrey. And he’d have been better off if he’d never met her.

    • Bob

      One of the key issues here is how F–ked up the Scientology bridge to total freedom. The first two steps, the Purif and the SRD are surefire ways to drive people mad and/or kill them. A friend of mine did the SRD at Flag, then went to the Fleecewinds and died from a stroke. Tony’s right. If she had received real help for her problems she would probably be alive today. Scientology kills.

    • madame duran

      So, basically, you’re saying he “pulled it in”?

    • Syd

      Agree – agree – agree!! Those text messages between the two of them make him look like a selfish douche. PLUS he gave her 3 STDs?

    • Chewkacca

      Do not fuck that guy— you might catch something.
      WAAROOUNK!

  • John Prince

    I see another Fat Footbullet comming if co$ really pushes the rather shady issue here. .
    As painfull as this case may be for Jim Carrey personally, I would strongly urge him to heed elron’s own foul words and “always attack, never defend”..the right Hungry Lawyer(s) could turn this “case” into a never-ending Nightmare for captain pissypants

  • dreamcatcher
    • Peter

      And it’s one of his best!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Everyone needs to read this Regraded Being about child abuse in Scientology.

      • dreamcatcher

        additionally it shows so well how they only wake up when it/something hits them personally…

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Yes, good point.

    • GrangerFX

      I did not see the punchline coming. Amazing.

  • Peter

    It would see, however, that this “beautiful young woman” was more than a bit devious herself. Carrey, I think, is a fool in that refusal to go to settlement (and he surely can afford it!), means more meat for the rag press and certainly some battering by the Hollywood press and many women actors who despise the kind of things he’s done. This one is a no win for Carrey.

    • Robert Eckert

      Settling would be no win for him either. He might as well stick a few knives into his tormentors while he can.

      • Kimmy3

        Yes, Peter said it is a no win for Carrey.

    • I disagree. Settling is seen as an admission of guilt by most. Fighting isn’t.

  • SarahDB

    It’s a happy Friday with Regraded Being over at Mike’s place. Way to shed light on sexual abuse of minors RB!

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-99/

    • SarahDB

      Wooops, should have refreshed, oh well, it’s such a good Regraded Being it deserves a double post!

    • Bob

      Yes, Regarded Being knocks it out of the park as usual.

    • GrangerFX

      That was amazing.

  • Sherbet

    I have to varnish doors. I don’t want to varnish doors. Keep talking, Bunkeroos, and maybe I’ll be sufficiently distracted, and the doors won’t get varnished after all.

    //sigh…off I go to varnish doors…//

    • flyonthewall

      get on outta here with your eyeholes!

    • Graham

      Watching varnish dry; better or worse than watching paint dry? Discuss.

    • Robert Eckert

      Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop sniffing varnish.

    • I feel your pain. Tomorrow, I have to bury a land drain in a trench.

      • Graham

        Stop moaning man! Out in the fresh air, at one with the earth, exercising your muscles and skills to benefit the environment. What’s not to like?

        • You’re right. And thank you so much for volunteering to drop around and help – the exercise of vital powers, and all that ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Sherbet

        I’d rather varnish doors. I’d rather do neither, but, hey, not everyone was born a Cardone.

    • bixntram

      I have to paint the kitchen ceiling. I don’t want to paint the kitchen ceiling. What crimes did I commit on the whole track that makes me want to avoid necessary unpleasantness? Hope the missus doesn’t send me to the RPF (Resentment Produced by Failure) when she gets back.

      • Sherbet

        I hope you sucked it up and did it. I varnished 7 out of 9 doors, and I’m feeling noble. I’m also feeling sore.

  • The depositions of various young Celebrity Center Scientologists could be pretty interesting in this if it gets to that.

    • Graham

      Let’s hope it does!

    • John Prince

      Hard to believe they could be THAT maliciously stupid to WANT to see this case go to Trial but they’ve amazed us often enough with Foot-bullet Trick shooting, haven’t they ๐Ÿ˜Ž?

      • Chewkacca

        They don’t want ANYTHING to go to trial. They want a pre-trial settlement and lots of money. And a gag agreement to stop their victims from talking about $cientology. Those tactics are starting not to work. One more thing Hurricane Leah and Typhoon Mike can feature in an episode.
        WOOAAH!

        • ze moo

          The Clampire is very well insulated from Jim Carey’s lawsuit. No, if any court problems are coming, they come from the Garcia’s and Laura Decrescendo.

          At the moment, I don’t see any criminal charges going any where against $cientology. Not that there aren’t possibilities…… And ‘Aftermath’ is about to lift the lid off of sexual abuse of children. That pot has a lot of contents, and more are coming out every day.

          • PeaceMaker

            It seems to me that Scientology is involved enough, including not only Cathriona’s treatment with their processing, but subsequent efforts by them to manage PR around her death, that they at least have an interest in this not going to trial so that their dirty laundry doesn’t get aired. But then again, I’m surprised that the apparent scientologist “husband” hasn’t already been convincingly “counseled” to drop the matter.

        • John Prince

          I’m roaring with Ya, Wookie, seasons 3&4 are probably all filled up ๐Ÿป

    • “has anyone prepared you for giving testimony today?”

      “they told me to answer ‘no’ to this question, OK?”

  • Gerard Plourde

    While I can understand that the suit survived summary judgment, I seriously question whether a jury would find Carrey liable. The established facts are that the drugs Cat overdosed on were legally prescribed for Carrey. There is no evidence that he was negligent in his storage of them or that he had knowledge that she had gotten possession of them. Without some proof of those elements, it would be difficult to attribute any fault to him.

    • TexasBroad

      And even if they overcame all of that and proved liability, they would still have to prove damages — Cat was an adult woman who lived in a different country than her mother and it will be particularly hard for the husband to prove loss when many of Cat’s closest friends didn’t even know she was married.

    • JaxNGold

      I agree. Even if he didn’t have his meds hidden, he’s not obligated to do that. It was his house for crying out loud. He can store then wherever he pleases. If she took them of her own accord, that’s on her entirely.

      This whole thing is bullshit. I understand the family is grieving and wants someone to blame. I really do feel for them. But it just seems so unlikely that Carrey gave her those meds in doses high enough to kill her. Why the hell would he do such a thing?

      • RedShoeLady

        Plus a Sci and all why not just jump off a bridge? Those nasty Pharma can ruin her next reincarnation.

  • nottrue
    • ze moo

      Do I hear a season 3 being planned? Inquiring minds want to know.

      • John McMillan

        Season Three: The Tiny Tyrant goes bye bye. Bubba rejoices.

        • Chewkacca

          And the prison guards give Bubba a LARGE container of KY jelly. For compassionate reasons. Compassionate to Bubba.
          SNOOURT!

      • Chewkacca

        Leah and Mike have PLENTY of material. Here’s hoping…….
        GNOOURF!

  • TexasBroad

    Has anyone ever flooded their bathroom because they were Bunkering and forgot the bath water was running?
    Asking for a friend.
    (sigh. I’ll be back)

    • Supper Powers

      It’s why you have to bring your phone or iPad in the tub with you! Nekid Bunkering!

    • Rasha

      Your friend is dedicated and worthy of respect. Just sayin’.

      • TexasBroad

        ๐Ÿ™‚

    • flyonthewall

      maybe you bathe too much? I only bathe 2x a month and it’s great. I have this nice protective sheen over my body that keeps out super germs and other natural predators.

      • TexasBroad

        and your wife

        • flyonthewall

          the most dangerous predator of them all

    • chukicita

      Bunkering. I like the new verb. *hands TexasBroad a mop*

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I’m sorry about Cat White’s suicide. I read all the sad stories in the Bunker. I’m convinced there was much more chance of $cientology getting her into trouble than that there was a chance of the cult helping her in any way.

    I hope Jim Carrey gets the best attorneys he can find. I sure as hell hope he wins the lawsuit.
    Fortunately, the $cientologists could never get him! I wish him all the best!

  • RedShoeLady

    Off Topic but I have a question about the Sci Crime treatment. Does anyone know if the State of Oklahoma used this in the ’60’s – ’70’s ? In their prison system? How could I find out? Thanks!

    • Supper Powers

      Criminon?

    • chukicita

      Criminon was supposedly founded in New Zealand in 1970 – according to Scn info.

  • nottrue
  • The Church of Scientology of Santa Barbaraย has purchased a 61,000-square-foot office building in Ventura for $6.25 million to house the church.

    http://www.vcstar.com/story/news/local/communities/ventura/2017/06/02/scientology-church-moves-in-condo-developer-moves/359747001/

    /

    • flyonthewall

      Miscavige really needs to go on Dr. Phil or something and get help for his real estate acquisition compulsion. Like those ppl that are addicted to online shopping, he’s got it bad. Get help David.

      • It allows DM and JAW to claim Scientology is expanding — even if it is in empty office space.

        • flyonthewall

          seriously? I never would of thought of that.

      • If the IRS could stage an intervention, that would be cool too.

      • Graham

        OBAD. Obsessive Building Acquisition Disorder.

        • flyonthewall

          hope it’s not contagious

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        Building Dysmorphia

    • John McMillan

      Ya think that’s big enough for the 17 Scinos who will use it.

      • Andrew Robertson

        But those 17 Scientologists will rapidly become 47, then 470 and in no time at all 47,000 by applying Standard Tech 100% standardly applied. After all, everyone’s a Scientologist, they just don’t know it yet, as they say over on Millstone 2.

        Perhaps Dr Seuss was influenced by Ron’s sempiternal wisdom when he wrote:

        But I had to grow bigger.So bigger I got.
        I biggered my factory. I biggered my roads.
        I biggered my wagons. I biggered the loads
        of the Thneeds I shipped out. I was shipping them forth
        to the South! To the East! To the West! To the North!
        I went right on biggering… selling more Thneeds.
        And I biggered my money, which everyone needs.

        (Though there’s no evidence he was ever a WISE member.)

        Andrew

        • David Miscavige and L Ron Hubbard.
          They biggered and biggered until they were buggered.

    • Supper Powers

      Does this come from the SB coffers the local scientologists raised or did DM spring for it?
      Edited autocorrect

      • I believe they raised the money locally, and this is not an IAS sposored Ideal Org.

        • Supper Powers

          Thanks. That building is dreadful. It looks like a big black stink bug!

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The cult would have wanted Cathriona to pull Carrey into the cult and they would be ok with the two of them getting married.
    Did the secret green card husband want a divorce as soon as possible? Get a good deal out of it? Alimony? Blackmail for keeping it secret?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0N44CWgGx4

  • Part 2 of Chris Crimy’s interview with Brandon Reisdorf, plus Chris reveals his next HUGE guest.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cgshere/2017/06/02/come-get-sum-extra-scientology-brandon-reisdorf-part2

    /

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The $cientologists might be in for a big surprise underestimating their opponent. I hope a very bad surprise!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Pg4wHah2I&list=LLE5AXz6WwQVTCVFRFoOpa9w&index=1

  • nottrue

    I wish someone like Leah would do a project where people all around the world would go into these Ideal orgs and film and then have them all put together in a film to show how useless these Orgs really are….. You know there must be SP’s living next to all these Ideal Orgs.

    • gtsix

      “That’s just nottrue. This ideal org was empty THAT DAY, because all the scientologists were out doing good works in the neighborhood. And that ideal org was not empty, all 120,000,000 scientologists were on course, so none were in the lobby at the time. And that ideal org was empty because of those CICS Dilettante DB’s couldn’t get their stats up so they voluntarily went to the RPF for spiritual assistance. Stop being a religious bigot”
      –JAW

    • Harpoona Frittata

      It’s an excellent idea that I’ve been thinking about for awhile now!

      Since there really aren’t that many Idle Morgues here in the U.S. to begin with, and because there are many more ex-$cientologists than there are current members, it really wouldn’t be all that difficult to keep track of how each of them are actually doing over time if just a few people living close by signed up for the “cult watch” task.

      I’ve been driving by my local Northern California org on a regular basis and, like so many others, it’s spacious and beautifully restored spaces are virtually empty most of the time. I can imagine volunteer cult “census takers” all reporting in on set days to give us a snapshot of total cult activity for the day throughout the U.S….a kind of “Day in the Life” view of the actual impact the cult is having and the cherch’s actual level of activity.

      If the cult is really “expanding like never before,” then the level of activity and number of cultists participating in cult activities should be readily discernible just by monitoring them on a regular basis. If that did prove to be the case, then I’m more than willing to report the objective facts there. However, my bet is that if a country-wide survey was conducted, then there’d be very few orgs which were actually seen to be booming, like the slick cult PR tries to convince folks of.

    • and be chased out by the soon called police? I don’t think so.

  • Trashton Porter

    I wonder if the lawsuit would go away if JC joined the church?

  • Supper Powers

    Rut roh. Sandra is trying out for a Scientology commercial.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSvJ3nsFUK0
    Edited for name.

    • John McMillan

      ….and just think….what if there was an evil cult ruled by an evil despotic midget who……

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Whoa…forget about doing some stupid, low-paid commercial for the cult, this saucy little vixen has obviously got what it takes to be Mrs. Cruise, the Fourth!

      Recall how the cult lured young and attractive women in for fake auditions in order to give tom tom an opportunity to check’em out from a distance in his search IMF search for his perfect $cilon mate? I wonder if lil davey + evil minions are up to their same tricks here?

      Tom tom has been deprived of a new wife for plenty long enough, so, of course $cn can help with that ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Liberated

        I don’t think Davey has the slightest intention of finding Cruise stepford wife No. 4.

        He wants TC all to himself and why should he be burdened with “handling” one of those low-tone women?

        Plus….as we all know pimpin’ ain’t easy.

        • John McMillan

          Yet extremely profitable.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Too funny! You’re right, lil davey learned the hard way that, not only is pimpin’ not easy, but the blowback from his botched match-making efforts can have huge and lasting consequences.

          Of course, no one is ever going to accuse $cn or Dear Leader of learning from past mistakes, so catastrophic fuck ups of the past often just serve to light up the path to the cliff’s edge, so that more $cilons can jump off at a quicker pace ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Graham

            “catastrophic fuck ups of the past often just serve to light up the path to the cliff’s edge”. What an evocative image. I rarely actually LOL but I LOLled at that!

  • Mockingbird

    I failed to mention something yesterday the other Bunkeroos may have noticed. Tony Ortega called Dennis Clarke a Scientology “warrior” – is that a swipe at the self proclaimed Scientology “warrior” ? Who has said we shall all rue the day !!!!?

    • I don’t think so. It seems that the ‘warrior’ title refers to his ruthless harassment techniques. Only Tony could tell us for sure, though.

      • Mockingbird

        I don’t recall anyone else besides one person using the term.

  • Jack99

    Off topic, but speaking of Ireland. Second to last day of walking the Dingle Way, between Cloghane and Castlegregory, most of it on amazing beaches. Yes, life is rough sometimes. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fae3bbec445179f806c82db884cbe60eea5af55898d54fc37df22ac08f111224.jpg

    • Philbyification

      Beautiful. Tx.

    • Rasha

      No one should have to endure this. I offer myself as Tribute.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Oh, man. Is that County Kerry? It’s stunning ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Jack99

        Yes! And now that I am safely inside my B&B, it is raining, ha ha.

        • iampissed

          Say Hi to Jimmy at Coill an Rois for me. Tell him it’s from the redhead he taught to
          make scones a few years back.

          • Jack99

            If I should happen to meet him… OK!

            • iampissed

              Just ask the locals or your inn keeper. Coill an Rois is a B & B owned by Jimmy.
              If you don’t meet him maybe your inn keeper can pass the word to him.
              Thanks

            • iampissed

              You should see if they are doing any concerts in the old stone church in town.
              Lots of fun memories. Bring a warm coat.

    • Juicer77

      Thank you for sharing!

    • Night Nurse

      Beautiful!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      As a good Bunker buddy I offer my company to help you “endure” this sacrificial time. It’ll be tough, but I can walk the beach with you and take pics so you don’t have to open your eyes to your horrid surroundings. Don’t thank me… I’m just a giver like that! ๐Ÿ˜œ
      (Gorgeous!!!)

  • Mockingbird

    I can’t help but feel terrible for everyone involved in today’s story. Cathriona White unfortunately is gone. The liability for that is extremely hard to parse out with a suicide. I personally find Scientology harmful and the Anderson Report and stacks of books and papers by psychiatrists and psychologists support the idea that Scientology is bad for people’s minds and should not be practiced.

    I get somewhat frustrated at the “if you want to audit it’s no one else’s business” idea. The terms and concepts in auditing are all fraudulent. So, informed consent is impossible. If a person is chasing the lies of engrams, reactive mind, basic basic, locks, secondaries, erasure, through a maze of the tone scale, floating TAs, rock slams, dirty needles and FNVGIs and none of those things are real but through pseudoscience you think they are you can do real harm to a person and they don’t know that.

    I don’t know how much harm Scientology did to Cathriona White and if it contributed to or caused her suicide. No one is likely to figure it out. I do know it’s dangerous and harmful and entirely dishonest.

    Someone recently said to me Scientology isn’t something you believe it’s something you do. I said as all the terms are false, all the axioms are false and Hubbard’s description of what you are doing and what the physiological and emotional reactions that occur in auditing and indoctrination are false in Scientology you are doing something, but it is not what you think it is and the results aren’t what you think they are. That’s relevant.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Worldโ€™s First Scientology OT X Completion!

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/ot9-pilot.jpg

    โ€œScientologist and IAS Patron Mega Chromium Excelsis Irma Jean Dinwiddie of Clearwater has become the worldโ€™s first OT X completion,โ€ announced Snr C/S Int Davis Jackinoff.

    โ€œFollowing Irma Jeanโ€™s completion of OT X, we at Flag had her cryogenically frozen in RTC Freezer Unit 2 at Trementina Base. All OT X completions will be frozen in this same way. OT Xโ€™s will only be unfrozen and reanimated when the planet is stable enough to handle their power.โ€

    โ€œCaptain David Miscavige has stated that this means there must be 10,000 people up and onto SOLO NOTโ€™s before the OT Xโ€™s can be unleashed upon the world. If you are not on SOLO NOTโ€™s you need to get onto the
    level as soon as possible to save the planet from thermonuclear Armageddon!โ€ declared Snr C/S INT.

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/cryogenic_girl1.jpg

    • Mockingbird

      Uh, remember all the orgs were supposed to be Saint Hill size before OT IX and X are released ?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Mbird, last week COB gave a secret briefing to OTVIII’s on the Ship in which he announced that all Orgs are Saint Hill sized. The AO’s then briefed all OTC that the Orgs are now Saint Hill sized. This is all thanks to COB booming the Orgs.

        A special event at the Shrine in Los Angeles will soon be held to announce the news to Scientologists. Hosted by television legend Wink Martindale, the event will be awash in confetti and balloons. At the key moment COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige will ride down from the heavens in a chariot that turns right and then turns left. Dressed as a Loyal Officer, Tom Cruise will then blow a trumpet which marks the beginning of the Golden Age of Tech Phase III. A new set of Basics will be released.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d846a0f2f3c4ed845a07079170a0198e7b6c4fda0209c2d0a6ad6df04029c617.jpg

        • I was at the Shrine a few weeks ago, yada yada, and saw At The Drive-In. I’m sure you’re acquainted with at least one member. You really should consider a new venue now that this one has been thoroughly contaminated with DB cooties and whatnot.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a6384babd3ec2a52f7cfee4c05d98dc790fb53fcf4a28b0e8ad05a3b99de7d4.jpg

        • Winkinpink.

          • Sherbet

            I was thinkin’ Winkinpink, too.

        • Mockingbird

          I never believed those rumors about Tom Cruise blowing…things…nevertheless, be that as it may…how many Saint Hill size orgs are there ? I left Scientology over three years ago and thought there were over a hundred class V orgs. If they all are Saint Hill size that’s quite an accomplishment. Especially since some have struggled for years to get several dozen staff. I have seen some get down to less than five staff.

    • Mick Roberts

      This is super exciting! Finally we’ll be able to realize the true power within us all! What is the cost to move onto the OT IX and X levels? And how much time should we set aside for completion?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Whoa there Mick Roberts! Hold on. You’re forgetting about a little thing called eligibility. Just because you have time and money doesn’t mean you’re eligible to be invited onto OTIX and OTX.There are elig sec checks. And then there is the question of your IAS patron status. And what of commendations? How many do you have? What are they for? Finally, we in RTC must review and approve your qualifications, sec checks, and IAS Patron status. OTIX and OTX are the Mount Everest of Scientology where the real OT levels begin. Even OTVIII is a pre-OT level.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I’ve heard that the ability gained on OT IX is “freedom from all material encumbrances including, most notably, your cash and liquid assets,” while completion of OT X results in the ability to be “cause over being at cause for all of eternity”…is that correct?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            That is confidential dat-uh but the answer is basically “yes.”

    • GrangerFX

      A theory on what OT IX and X could actually be: LRH was an evil genius (some say anyway). He packaged up psychology tricks so appeared to be technology of the mind. In Dianetics you learn you have a reactive mind. After many many intensive auditing sessions you discover that you were creating your own reactive mind and decide not to do it anymore and become clear. This is a cycle by which a person is made to believe that they have a mental illness and then are made to believe that they are cured of it.

      So applying that to the OT levels, he could do the same thing with the E-meter. The E-meter registers electrical resistance levels due to stress as you subconsciously squeeze the cans with slightly different amounts of pressure. He may have been planning to apply that to something like divining rods which work the same way. A divining rod is a metal or wooden rod that you hold loosely in your hands. Make an “O” with your hands perpendicular to your chest and balance the rods so that they point away from you. You can unbend coat hanger wires for this. Just leave a 90 degree bend at about 1/4 the way along them. The short end goes down and the long end points out. Just like the E-meter, subconscious motions cause the rods to move towards or away from each other. Even a highly skeptical person will find that they “work” to find whatever it is you are looking for. Of course if you blindfold yourself, the effect goes away because it is all in your mind.

      The thing that makes divining rods, or other similar effects, so powerful is that it works even if you don’t believe it does. It is an extremely powerful demonstration that your mind works in ways you never realized before. I suspect that the real effect you are seeing is two different stages of mental activity. One is your conscious mind observing the rods. The other is the motor muscle control which work at a lower level. When you react quickly to catch something you have dropped you use this lower level part of your mind that works much faster than your conscious mind. This is a basic survival ability that you can thank millions of years of evolution for providing.

      Hubbard would have reimagined this effect as something else. Perhaps it would be detecting thetans in another person or lurking invisibly. He would have created “proof” that the effect worked. That would convince you (if you were a Scientologist) to a point of certainty that all the other OT levels and auditing had been worth it. You were finally getting to the actual OT powers that had always been promised. This proof would be OT IX. In OT X he would remove the divining rod like apparatus and convince you that you could do it with your mental powers alone or perhaps with some small device like a level bubble that you could easily conceal. Now you really are master of the universe. You could use this power in all kinds of different ways. Welcome to OT levels XI through however much money you have got.

  • Ann B Watson

    Very powerful Tony. This shows how good people can get mixed up with very bad people. Thank you for your tireless work. I definitely admire and appreciate you. โญ๏ธ

  • madame duran

    What these two greedy and vengeful people want most from this court case is either MONEY or HUMILIATION at Carrey’s expense. Usually within the worlds of Hollywood and Scientology, celebs would reach a settlement before trial to avoid more serious penalties, to keep certain private details from public exposure, or simply to be relieved of the inconvenience of wasted time. The logic is that they’d do anything to protect their image and career, including paying to make a problem go away. There’s an expectation that the celeb will just fold over.

    The trouble for these spiteful scammers seeking easy money is when they encounter an opponent who is solely interested in revealing TRUTH. Jim Carrey, while personally hurt by the invasion of his privacy and other indignities that came after Cathriona’s tragic death, is willing to endure the courtroom in order to have his voice heard. Money and shame aren’t stopping him from standing up to these low-lifes. The experience will be painful but, in Carrey’s mind, it is necessary to present facts or put some allegations to rest.

    This is part of the reason why Leah Remini’s stand against Scientology is so effective. She knows she’s got skeletons in her closet. She even lists many of them in her book, Troublemaker. She’s not being distracted by the cult’s smear tactics or threats of lawsuits. Her response? BRING IT ON!!! Leah’s got a singular focus on exposing Scientology’s deceit and harm. Seeking truth is one of her aims (the other is to have the authorities nail the cult for its crimes). Who wouldn’t want truth to be found and known? LIARS AND CRIMINALS with bad deeds to hide, that’s who.

    With A&E’s “Aftermath” series still fresh on the public’s mind, I think the timing of Carrey’s forthcoming trial couldn’t have been better. Will people or the media be drawn into the sensationalist details of Carrey’s sexual history or will they be more attuned to the Scientology connection? I think there’s an appetite to learn how this illegal immigrant managed to survive as long as she did yet fell through the cracks with all her “friends”.

    • JaxNGold

      That’s exactly what I was thinking. If he were guilty or wanted this to go away, he would have settled by now. He wouldn’t want sordid and damaging details being revealed in court if he had something to hide.

      I realize I don’t know this for sure, but it certainly seems likely.

  • Shivani33

    Cathriona was raised from a very early age by her late father and not by her mother at all. Brigid Sweetman reportedly sent her a 30th birthday message calling Cat White a failure, to “honor” her daughter’s Sept 14th, 2015 birthday. Cathriona killed herself before September ended, and it was on the day of her dad’s death from brain cancer in a previous year. Her mother wasn’t there for Cat’s life, but has reappeared like a vulture since her death, with money on her mind, I guess. It’s not surprising that she has teamed up with Scientology-sponsored litigation. The husband from Cathriona’s arranged green card marriage wasn’t present at her funeral in Ireland, nor was he involved in her life. Nothing like being blatant opportunists. It is sickening to me.

    This isn’t a comment to defend Jim Carrey, who has his own history. Who doesn’t? However, I think this court case is all about greed. This was not Cathriona’s first attempt to take her life. Grieving over losing her dad and struggling to survive as a Scientologist had hit her hard before, in 2012, according to what has been widely published. Certainly she didn’t avail herself of the mental help that she needed BECAUSE she was a Scientologist, and it’s against the fake religion to seek any kind of mental help from doctors at all.

    Cat was laid to rest back home in Ireland, beside her dad. Rest in peace. If you’re watching, Cat, just ignore these excuses for human beings.

    • Scientology should be third-partied into this suit.
      They killed her.

      • Shivani33

        It looks like Cathriona was perpetually under huge pressure by Scientologists to rope Carrey into joining the Sci. organized crime syndicate, otherwise known as a tax-exempt church. To Scientology watchers, it’s obvious that Scientology wanted access to Carrey’s money and celebrity clout and that the Celebrity Center was using Cathriona, despite her own emotional problems, to get at Carrey. Not only did Scientology not help Cathriona White as a “religion”, but she was paying her money to receive an immense and dangerous disservice. And it ended up being fatal.

        Investigation could demonstrate that the lawsuit is motivated and fronted by the Scientology Organization’s money and lawyers, beyond the means of Mark Burton or Brigid Sweetman. It looks like Jim Carrey has been being treated with Scientology’s fair game policy to get vengeance for not joining Scientology, and Carrey’s ruin is being sought purposefully through scandal-mongering and litigation. Carrey refused to take a bite of the poisoned apple, Scientology. Burton and Sweetman are Scientology’s litigant stooges, whether they realize it or not. Two convenient numbskulls.

    • Chee Chalker

      Well said Shivani!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Sad to hear how heartbroken she was over losing her Dad, but glad to hear she had a parent that loved and cherished her and next to whom she was put to rest!
      Beautiful girl and sounds like, especially after losing her dad, she was just lost and found herself surround by leeches and people who were looking out for selfish needs vs hers. Poor sweet girl and may she RIP!

  • nottrue
    • PeaceMaker

      I’m really hoping that Carrey will carry through, and not settle with these bottom-feeders.

  • davegrille

    It would be wonderful if Carrey hits them with a massive counter-suit.

  • J. Swift

    At xenu.net in 2007 there was a discussion of a rumors circulating around LA of a recruiting effort by Scientology led by Tom Cruise. These celebs were targets:

    1. Will and Jada Pinkett Smith. IMO, they obviously became crypto-Scientologists and probably still are. Rumors were that Will’s bosses at Sony here in the US and Japan let him know in no uncertain terms that they did not like the idea of him publicly coming out. They were not going to stop him but they also saw the financial damage Tom Cruise had caused to Paramount. Kate Capshaw, wife of Steven Spielberg, was furious with Tom Cruise and a quiet Hollywood feud ensued. Sumner Redstone’s then wife Paula Fortunato was also angry with Tom Cruise and Sumner fired Tom from Paramount. Will and Jada were willing to open the Scn school in Calabassas, a wealthy enclave along the 101 north of Downtown, but that was the extent of any public statement. The Smith’s later closed their school when their genius offspring finished their education and moved on to changing the very planet itself. Will and his son Jaden made After Earth a movie that seemed to many a Scientology parable. The film bombed.

    2. David and Victoria Beckham. The Beckham’s moved to Los Angeles when David joined the LA Galaxy. Tom Cruise was all over the Beckham’s like a BT cluster. The Beckham’s basically said Tom we love you and we aren’t interested in Scientology.

    3. Jim Carrey. The rumor was that Scientology used CCHR to get to outspoken anti-vaxxer Jenny McCarthy, who was then in a relationship with Jim Carrey, to get close to the actor. Carry supposedly had undisclosed psychological and health problems at the time and did some “room service” Scientology, which means it was ultra-secret and much of it in privacy at CC or his own home. Cat White enters the picture after Jim Carrey breaks up with Jenny McCarthy.

    As we now know, things were not going well between Tom and Katie. Katie Holmes was not taking to Scientology. Leah was also disaffected and on her way out.

    This 2007 effort was Scientology’s last big push where getting some new celebs in seemed possible.

    • sizzle8

      Any info on Ron Howard?
      A while back it was reported that he was at a Flag graduation.

      • J. Swift

        Ron Howard wasn’t mentioned in the 2007 period. I hadn’t heard he was at a Flag graduation. That is interesting.

      • Marshall

        No,No, No! They can’t have Opie. I’m already disillusioned enough without that.

      • Chee Chalker

        Oh God please no!
        I won’t be able to watch re-runs of Arrested Development knowing Ron H was caught up in that mess

    • Chee Chalker

      David Beckham

      • J. Swift

        Fixed. I was thinking of Thomas Beckham the 19th century New Zealand politician.

        • Sherbet

          No, his wife was a lot heavier than Victoria. My forearm is a lot heavier than Victoria.

        • Yeah, I always make that mistake too.

          • J. Swift

            19th century New Zealand politicians are of such great interest that a daguerreotype of Sir Donald McLean KCMG recently fetched $1.2 million at auction. His involvement in the Waitara Purchase became a subject of such fierce debate at the America-New Zealand Friendship Society that dozens of people were seriously injured when a bloody brawl broke out in the main beer hall. The Kiwis blame the Yanks for starting the fracas but they clearly they threw the first beer bottles.

            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Donald_McLean%2C_1870s.jpg

            • “…daguerreotype of Sir Donald McLean KCMG recently fetched $1.2 million …”
              And worth every penny.
              “… the Waitara Purchase became a subject of such fierce debate at the America-New Zealand Friendship Society that dozens of people were seriously injured when a bloody brawl broke out in the main beer hall. ”
              And it continues to this day. Just last night, it so happens, the issue came up, resulting in me losing a tooth. But I still got the best of him. He lost an eye and most of an ear.
              And it all started with a debate about Kiri Te Kanawa’s vocal range.

        • Chee Chalker

          I can’t ever forget David Beckham!โค๏ธ

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Since then, efforts to recruit A-list celebs into the cult so they can get their imaginary space alien spirits ritually exorcised at incredible expense have, ummm, not exactly proceeded according to plan ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Indeed, just last week, experts diagnosed $cn as suffering from terminal Cult Colony Collapse after it was discovered that approximately half of U.S. states no longer have even a single mission operating within them.

      At this point, the only hope of survival the cult has now is if TC and Joy Villa get together to make a new body for Elron to inhabit. In which case, the National Enquirer is going to get the scoop of the milennium and the planet better get ready to be cleared, whether it likes it or not!

  • nottrue
    • Supper Powers

      He handsome!

      • Rasha

        This is true.

    • flyonthewall

      Legend of the dog faced woman! LOL doh!

    • Rasha

      “So, why can’t I leave shit around like this??? HMMMM???”

    • GfldedKim

      Stunning pup. Shiba Inu? ๐Ÿถ

    • Chee Chalker

      Training paper

    • EDN/laineybin

      Just more proof that animals are often far more intelligent than humans ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Oh I LOVE him!!! Shiba Inu, right? My baby is half Shiba/half corgi! (Not the greatest shot of him – he was Kid-sitting so mom could play on The Bunker!) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5043aff84d4d631e5aa3aaf8e664f1eaac209ef933006c5e38d6e401472d5a6e.jpg

  • Jimmy3

    Bad. Bad Scientologists. No no no.

  • Just in case some more obtuse sections of the fourth estate still don’t get it:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b9838e3a1255754846f1ebab4f386e42c2a3fd4adb282ba85c89c257a5fd64c7.jpg

    • Mick Roberts

      But, but…but……juicy tabloid…..sex and drugs……Ace Ventura……too much work to find the truth……investigative journalism 101 is too hard…..

      • Snortle! ๐Ÿ™‚ “but, but … feel safer … peddling health-scares … compiling stupid top 10 lists … regurgitating PR releases…”

    • GrangerFX

      “Jim Carrey was dumb enough to date a Scientologist. Now she is dead, he has deep pockets and Scientology is the religion of greed.”

  • You know that feel when stuff starts to stress you out so you take your dog to the park and a ladybug stops by to let you know everything will be ok? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d0fedd2074ca20f77b0426a67d929db844188229cd754a5ecc75570aeb17ac00.jpg

    • Supper Powers

      Ladybugs are good like that.

    • Sherbet

      At my Mom’s funeral, as we were finishing up at the gravesite, a bunch of red and black ladybugs swooped in and flew among us, landing on various mourners’ arms, hair, hands. It was quite a sight. Some of the more mystical family members insisted they were a sign from Mom because she was a devoted gardener. I didn’t think so, but it was still oddly comforting in a “life and nature go on” sort of way.

    • GrangerFX

      Unless they are swarming. When that happens they bite!

  • Glen

    I just happened to go back to the comment section on yesterday’s story about Dennis Clarke. Earlier today when most folks have gone on to the next story, a bunker commentator had a remarkable tale. You can see it by sorting by newest on yesterday’s comments. I hope I’m not crossing any ethical line by copying it here but just found it so revealing on many levels.

    “I used to be good friends with Dennis when I was on the Board of CCHR. At one point, he disappeared, and it turned out he went to Hawaii, and was selling solar panels. After he had a stroke, he and his son (then 18) were living out of his car, until a friend (I believe encouraged by Mike Rinder) gave him an apartment.

    After a while, he came to Clearwater as he was entitled in there to receive a stay in a convalescence house. I would drive twice a week from Sarasota to visit him, and be with him. He would dump on me all the bitterness he had against the cherch and Miscavige.

    One day I noticed a strange behavior. Realizing he was having a stroke I reeled him into the AC and asked the nurse to bring me a bucket of ice and call an ambulance. I doused him with ice to create hypothermia, as that would stop the development of the stroke. By the time the ambulance arrived he was back to normal. The neurologist informed him that I saved his life.

    Three days later Kathy True of the infamous OSA went to visit him. She convinced him to write a report on me. He wrote one, in which he blamed me for saying the things he said to me. As a result of his report and the report of another “hero” I was declared.

    This was Dennis Clarke, a tortured soul, a person with no conscience.”

    • Thank you Glen.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Just so no one gets the wrong idea, trying to induce hypothermia in folks who are exhibiting signs of stroke is NOT standard emergency treatment. Friedman’s heart was in the right place, but his lack of understanding of medical science and first-aid care is pretty profound.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Vistaril — and the changing of one’s will so that everything is left to Scientology — is the standard RTC protocol used for strokes.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Or, if you’re one of the many less fortunate Oatees who’s run out of cash, then NO SOUP for you…now, hurry up and go die somewhere out of our view!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Well yes, but that is in the contracts Scientologists must sign.

    • Eeek!

      In any case, whatever kind of a person Dennis Clark was before he joined the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology, it took the Co$ to weaponise his horrible behaviour.

  • Out and about

    True to the cult, I mean cherch, go for the money!

    • Glen

      Woohoo! Have safe and fun travels.

    • Supper Powers

      That’s some fine freedom you got there, young lady!

    • flyonthewall
    • flyonthewall

      those things can be used for other stuff besides cooking meth. FYI

      • Fly, Meth guys took care of me a year after Terry left. I don’t have issues with them. They are not to be trusted however!

        • flyonthewall

          that was nice of them but you are right, never ever trust a drug addict

          • Jimmy3

            Cmon. I got these cheeseburgers man

            • flyonthewall

              get away cracky!

    • Science Doc

      Class C. Nice. Is that a slide out? Looks new. Is that on a F 550 chassis?

      • Don’t know about the frame but its a 450. I could pull my VW or a cargo trailer full of tools. Anyone need tools? I have soooo many. Yes its a slide. Haven’t even put it out. Its going to work just fine ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Yes, I need tools.
          Mine were stolen.

          • I would love my tools go to good home. In a few days I’ll let you know what I have extra ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Something about the one going up for sale, my X (we were only married 15mos) killed himself in it. There could never not be the hole in the roof and the blood soaked into the floor. Visiting dogs knew. I remolded with a big and work bench and counters to window level and bar stools. It was OK but the parts that were broken somehow reminded me from where I’d come, a very broken religion. It will take a bit to move in and get ready to roll. First stop will be an old friend from SO that lost his wife last yr. I can’t tell you all how lucky I’ve been to have you all and your words of encouragement. Have a nice weekend. I’ll post inside pics when I get my Bob Dylan in my old friend Pamela Kilmartins frame hung. She was the friend that helped me learn to cook and sorta spell when I got kicked out ’96. I hope lurkers know, its OK to follow your dreams. They are YOURS. The world is badly in need of dreams and visions and persons grounded making this earth better. I’ll be able to do my part now.

      • Sherbet

        Oh, tigger, what a sad story. You are a tough cookie and a survivor. Years ago I told a therapist how much I appreciated that she “fixed” the parts in me that needed healing, and she told me “You did all the work. I just guided you.” So give yourself credit, tigger. The Bunkeroos patted you on the back and made you laugh, but YOU did all the work to get where you are now. Happy trails to you!

      • Jeb Burton

        Sorry about the above post. I hope you have a great adventure. Now pull over and let me pass.

      • daisy

        I am sorry about your husband . I hope this one gives you a grand adventure.

    • “I will now travel and see the world.”
      I will not, so let me know how it was.

      • Oh you’re not coming with me? I got room ๐Ÿ™‚

      • I will never stop talking. I’ll post pics for you ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Jeb Burton

      You’re the person I always get behind on a two way highway. Fuck you and get out of my way.

      • Get a faster car

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Cece, it probably goes without saying but I hope you know Jeb is kidding. I wouldn’t want you to be upset because I know what a tough time you’ve had recently. Jeb’s sense of humour is just very, very dry ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Cece, it (she/he?) is a beauty! You’re going to have some wonderful adventures ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Its a she. I’ll call her Winny. Or Pooh for short ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Ween is in town (Royal Oak MI) tonight, its sold out, and I won’t be there. (Although I do know of a side door where you can peek and listen.)
    But they do have a message for Scientology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7M3EEHYkJ0

  • Sherbet

    This just in: Tom Cruise revealed the name of the new Top Gun movie. It will be called: “Top Gun: Maverick.”

    One wag on the Deadline website posted this quip: Lets see, how old would “Maverick” be now? 55-57 yrs old, ahhhh, more like: ” I feel the need for Aleve”

    • Science Doc

      A little older. In the 1986 film Maverick was depicted as a Lt., O-3 in the Navy. Officers make O-3 after four years commissioned service and hold that rank for four years. If we assume Maverick was five years after commissioning in 1986, a film made in 2018 would realistically make him 37 years after commissioning or 59 assuming graduation from the academy or NROTC at 22. Up or out is the policy in the US military. If you don’t make Captain, O-6, you have to retire at ca. 22 years. If you don’t get one star, you are out after about 27 years. A second star by 29 or 30 years. Someone with 37 years would have to be a three star and probably four. Military officers aren’t allowed to fly once they achieve flag rank, after an air force one star flipped and crashed a B-52 making a radical turn at low altitude reliving a youthful memory. I call bullshit on this movie.

      • Sherbet

        You’ve got me standing at attention. You obviously know what you’re talking about.

        I can’t believe Cruise would play a character who’s that old.

        • Science Doc

          I can’t believe a character that old would be flying a navy jet. The only way to work this would be to set the movie in about 2000 or 2002, and pretend that Maverick is a carrier CO or CAG, Carrier Air Group Commander during operation kill Saddam.

          • Sherbet

            Some creativity around the dates is warranted.

          • ze moo

            Tom Cruise runs so fast that time can’t catch up with him!!

      • Quick empathy

        Calling bullshit, too. ๐Ÿ‚

      • ze moo

        ‘Mavrick’ will be flying a drone. Someone like Tommy Davis or Gavin Potter.

    • PeaceMaker

      I see that Science Doc just broke this down in terms of the basic reality of the military personnel system. Having some experience with that, I’ll add that there are some exceptions made in special cases – famed female computer science pioneer (Rear) Admiral Grace Hopper’s career, for instance, started off and ended with them. Some explanation could be ginned up, like a break in service.

      But the movie is still left with the problem that Cruise has gotten old, though they could do the Hollywood bit of having an older actor portray someone younger, however implausible. As an article questioning the viability of the movie’s premises, which I posted a while back, put it, Cruise would seem to be left playing something like the crusty old advisor role of “Viper” (Tom Skerritt) in the original, though it would seem to lack the necessary element for success unless they find some conceit to put him back in the cockpit.

      This movie seems like a weak project that might not actually ever get made, particularly if Cruise’s two movies coming out this year don’t do well – and both have had their releases delayed, a sign of trouble. I looked at the numbers, and his career and films have really been on a slow decline for about a decade now. He has kept up his earnings by making such high salary demands that investors aren’t getting good returns on his films, and a weak-sounding sequel might be hard to pull off (sequels tend to be less profitable). Unless he wants to go into a sad career decline playing shadows of his former self, like this proposal, he would have to reinvent himself, and I don’t see that he really has the acting chops and commitment to the craft to do that (he hasn’t ever won an Oscar, and hasn’t even been nominated in decades).

  • nottrue

    People just love her.. And scientology calls her a money grabbing has been. ..Kevin can Wait is ranked as one of the top new shows.. . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13cdff935afedcc343fde87f36f189de7099f8d6fffd4992a3bcd26771777f75.jpg …. .. http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/kevin-can-wait-season-2-leah-remini-1202452704/ …… ……. …….. https://twitter.com/peggydougan/status/870464303060533248

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Good for her! Nothing like having a steady gig to pay the bills and pay for some top-notch legal help in bringing this killer cult to its knees ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Fantastic!

    • So, will Stand League and JAW start tweeting about what a has-been she is?

    • I_scream_truck

      And yet in 11 seasons, Kirstie never had so much as a guest spot on Frasier.

      Leah is only one person but I SO wish she’d start filming her reality series again. Can you imagine following her around these days!?

  • Observer
    • Puget Buckeye

      I like your pictures. They make me smile.

      • Observer

        Thank you!

    • flyonthewall

      Russian lens eh? Maybe I should subpoena it?

      • Observer

        It’s never met the president or spoken with his son-in-law

    • Quick empathy

      First picture = my new wallpaper! Awesome!

    • Helios lenses were noted for low contrast and a tendency towards internal reflections (which really comes out if you shoot into the light).

      I used to own a Zorki 4 (rangefinder) camera witha 50mm f2 Helios. I had to use slow (50 ASA) monochrome film and Kodachrome for colour (which was then only 25 ASA) because they were more contrasty, and compensated for the lens.

      I think the colour effects you are seeing are due to internal reflections.

      • Observer

        I like the effect. Wouldn’t want it on everything, but I like it.

        • Oh.. it works. Just saying why.

          • Observer

            It’s the same with the swirly bokeh. It’s considered a defect, but I love it.

    • chukicita

      Dang, Obs, nice eye!

    • TexasBroad

      Beautiful Obs.

  • flyonthewall

    Sooo…what kind of music you guys want to hear?

    • Puget Buckeye

      Are you familiar with Harry Nilsson’s You’re Breaking My Heart? Kind of appropriate for Scientology.

      • flyonthewall

        Scratch by Seven Year Bitch, good choice!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUHxx0ZeIZU

      • Marshall

        I love Harry Nilsson – brings back lots of memories!

        • Puget Buckeye

          But it seems that my request fell on deaf ears. Oh well.

          • Marshall

            Funny story – I would always play “Gotta Get Up” every time I had to clean bathrooms. I despise cleaning bathrooms and singing that song with Harry always got me through ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Puget Buckeye

              And my sorta funny story…I didn’t see the movie “You’ve Got Mail” until it was on cable. I saw that it was on and thought what the hell, a little light rom-com. I just about flipped my lid. No one told me about the music in the movie like they were keeping it a secret or something!

    • Kestrel

      How about some Western Swing? Got anything by The Time Jumpers?

      • flyonthewall

        One Day As A Lion? Yeah I can do that

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6yXqaMQnO8

      • ReallyMGM

        I saw the Legendary Shack Shackers tonight. Craziest group I think I have seen in forever. It was rockabilly Sex Pistols. Completely insane.

        Also great Western swing is Pokey LaFarge. He’s terrific. Opened for Jack White Blunderbuss tour.

        https://youtu.be/vTBIWLvR8c8

    • nottrue

      I had Howdy on my mind.. … I miss fighting with him.. He liked The Cramps.. .

      https://youtu.be/SslU2wBaKhw … … I use to see them around Hollywood… She drove an old Revy with lepard skin seats. He had a old Comet.. But they were restored nice… He passed away RIP. .. She loved that old Fender Amp

      • flyonthewall

        nice. I need to get into these guys

      • Panopea Abrupta

        This is the original ๐Ÿ™‚
        Howdy had impeccable taste.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ri7TcukAJ8

      • ReallyMGM

        The Cramps recorded an album in my city in the late 70s. Lux and Ivy would wander around in full makeup during the middle of the day. To say the rednecks were freaked was an understatement. Brakes would squeal, you’d hear the screa “what the hell are you!?!” Really fun times!

      • ReallyMGM

        I had the opportunity about 1.5 year ago to see The Sonics open for Robert Plant. They were a garage band formed in the Pacific NW in the early 60s and considered the first “punk band.” They certainly were different! They were effing AWESOME! (Now they just look like your dad’s)
        While The Beach Boys were doing sweet stuff, the Sonics were singing love songs about POISON and the DEVIL! Check them out on YouTube or Spotify, you will recognize much of their music because many people have covered their music.)

        https://youtu.be/B9ul5-uhRW8

    • Supper Powers

      Got anything to cure a rotten case of the sads?

      • flyonthewall

        I think so. Why you sad? Face fall off? There, there. It’ll grow back

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVM1nUmDHHc

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Why are you sad, love? Need a cuddle?

        • Supper Powers

          I don’t like Fridays. I get horribly homesick. You’re so sweet and that cheers me up!

          • Sherbet

            Group hug for Supper Powers.

            • Supper Powers

              Thanks, darlin.

    • JaxNGold

      Reggae, more Temple of The Dog, Erykah Badu, D’Angelo, Maxwell, Ella James…any of those will do ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    • Jimmy3

      Any kind of Spice. Spice 1, Spice Girls, Sean Spicer, Whatever Spice

    • iampissed

      If I might….I’m very broad in my tastes, but for tonight.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3d-H5B1QQVM

      • flyonthewall

        this will test the limits of your “broadness”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruef7aYCEbc

        • iampissed

          Don’t know if I want ta….OK I will.

        • Supper Powers

          A classic love song.

        • iampissed

          Well I like more activist rap, but it wasn’t half bad for first person. A little reverb would of
          helped…just my 2cw. Thanks Fly.

      • iampissed

        “Three letters took him to his finale resting place” Dennis Clarke…..LHR

      • GrangerFX
    • Observer
  • Panopea Abrupta

    Finally get some supper – lobster is back ๐Ÿ™‚

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/69f4e46a1cee6d9b7a31b5f432b457a07c25fb2db917090bec48e651fe5c2db0.jpg

    Kids are in bed, heh heh

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a3091c7973b34f82866ddc92de00904298c71ed9cac5f043643470a3673ca55.jpg

    so the adult beverages can come out

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f261e7fab7adbd2c3393797886163964737ed1f9438f5aa05fd4cbe1e5ca6b3e.png

    and I can diss $cientology
    Poor poor Cathriona.

    First you’ll lose your money
    Then you’ll lose your mind
    They will suck you into evil,
    While pretending to be kind.

    For navigating crookedly
    Ron Hubbard was your man
    He plotted and lied so easily
    But died in his caravan

    May these blood-sucking leeches be squeezed of life by the jaws of debt and death.
    Jim Carrey is no angel nor has he ever pretended to be.
    But Cathriona’s mother is a nasty piece of work.
    The husband?
    What a despicable excuse for a human being.

    I am sad today.
    The President of the United States has assaulted my planet, my children and my life.
    This ignoramus has turned his back on the best deal he has ever met.
    May he rot in Dante’s 7th hell.

    • Vaquera

      Do you deliver? ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Vaquera

        Truly y’all, Pan the Man rocks some serious kitchen skillz.

    • Supper Powers

      Upvotes for all of that!

    • daisy

      * We do not want them laughing at us , and they won*t be — They have been laughing in a sad way for since the inauguration. Laughing gleefully in Russia. How can one man be so stupid and better yet how does he have a base of people who are willing to suspend belief that he we fix everything. Oh wait nevermind I thought I was on my weight watchers blog. Can we switch lives I had baked beans for supper.

    • iampissed

      I hear there might be a 9th or 10th Hell! Waiting is!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Those are the most kissable cheeks in the Bunker ๐Ÿ™‚

  • TexasBroad

    Morning ritual…Start the coffee, then feed the cat that sits on my head to wake me up, pour the coffee and then wake the pup to take him outside and then settle into a my comfy chair on the deck and https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c19f4cc086fb46bfceafaedc11ca17df73086ae311062218fa9248708ae8095b.jpg pull up the Bunker. This is where I Bunker. Where do you Bunker?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That looks so serene!

      • TexasBroad

        I hardly ever go inside. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • iampissed

      We’re working on it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a4893ffb7ffe595b8659392e52a960b0c0640b4e6aba43e74312ccfd11d997e.jpg

      ETA: the back of my house showed up in the really back of my house. I decided to use it anyways.

      • TexasBroad

        I love the tree surround!

        • iampissed

          So do we…looking forward to meeting you you.

          • TexasBroad

            Likewise!

    • Supper Powers

      Hey OSA, where do you Bunker?

      • TexasBroad

        There was a picture once in one of the posts….probably in a “Bonus Item From Our Tipsters” that was of the bleak computer cubicles. It strikes me so odd that it is someone’s JOB to read our comments. I wonder if Jimmy or Fly ever crack them up.

        • Supper Powers

          I remember. It was called the Internet Room or something like that. I cannot wait for the next Sea Orger to blow and talk to TO. So many questions!

        • chukicita

          Right?

          “Ok, we need you to read the comments on this Bunker site. Do NOT read the articles. Just the comments. These CICSers sweat, spit and piss entheta. Don’t get too close, it’s your eternity and this whole galaxy are counting on you to not succumb to their J&D. No laughing. Especially at the shoops. Don’t even look at them. Or any post that contains the word “applebox.” Just find out everything you can about this merchant of chaos and his suppressives — no, that is not a band name – and find out what their buttons are. Write them fully up and mimeograph them over to OSA INT before noon on Thursday.”

          • TexasBroad

            I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

          • Supper Powers

            I would love to see their Bunker file. Endless J&D in that doorstop.

            • chukicita

              There was that one time when Grady and Keith Henson did that deposition…”and let the record reflect that both Mr. Henson and Mr. Ward are snickering…”

          • Puget Buckeye

            I think you might be on to something there. Merchant of Chaos & The Suppressives. I don’t really have any talent, but I could be a groupie. Or fetch the beer. Or be a groupie who fetches the beer. Got room for me?

            • chukicita

              Groupies who fetch beer are *always* welcome.

        • MaxLuvsDaBunk

          Well our hilarious jimmy and fly bring the massive humor, but if osa still has a humor ability, i hope they don’t show it cuz don’t people go to the hole or rpf for such expressions?

    • iampissed

      You need an onsen.

      • TexasBroad

        I had to use the google, but yes – yes I do.

        • iampissed

          Psssst…it’s a hot tub. Don’t leave your home without one!

    • chukicita
      • TexasBroad

        So lovely!

        • chukicita

          I like the forest on your porch. I am hoping there is a hammock somewhere.

          • TexasBroad

            Recently broken (nothing lasts in our sun) but soon to be replaced.

      • Supper Powers

        Are you dressed up like a nun again?

        • When am I not?

          • Supper Powers

            You managed to give me the only laugh I’ve had all day. Thanks!

        • iampissed

          Dox or done….sorry I have to.

          • Supper Powers

            What are you talking about? Look at his photo. His shadow makes it appear like he’s dressed as a nun.

            • iampissed

              I’ll take a second look…thanks

            • sizzle8
            • daisy

              My hand to God I read *Are you dressed up like a nail gun again. After viewing the picture I thought what a nut even Rasha wouldn*t see a nail gun. I moved on to the post where I realised you said gun. Hope the sadz are better tomorrow . I have been told the sun will come out . Even Trump says so for Now.

            • Supper Powers

              Thanks. I don’t believe anything that comes out of Trumps hole, but I do believe you.

            • daisy

              I hope next week is better and the sadz are temporary

            • Supper Powers

              Thank you. Weekends suck for me. I’m the only person I know who looks forward to Mondays.

      • TexasBroad

        Beautiful! I can’t wait to see mountains in a few weeks!

        • iampissed

          Do they crop up at certain times of the year?

          • TexasBroad

            LOL.
            HowdyCon.

            • iampissed

              I will be the shy one….

            • Observer

              I’m not nearly as chatty in RL as I am here. I like to sit back and, well, observe.

            • Thoughts on the new MST3K? I’m up to Carnival Magic.

            • Observer

              We love it! We’re up to The Land That Time Forgot. They really captured the flavor of the original series. The one thing I’m still getting used to is Gypsy’s new voice.

            • Noice, I thought Cry Wilderness was a riot! I agree about Gypsy but I really like the new Tom Servo. Here’s one of my closest homies recently with some other guy you might recognize:
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8140a1dbbd9c66b21f59ef7d55d59c9a51e6006f38d36855ad9344b8901cd567.jpg

            • Observer

              Cool! I do miss Frank, but Patton Oswald is doing a great job as Max.

              Here’s me and the original spaghetti ball at Best Brains in late 1993. I was not expecting it to be that big.

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cfae192a97a3b618828645bbf44206e832b7c4514ed9446bbae4ed0664c6665b.jpg

            • Wow, so rad! I guess I never really thought about how big it would actually be … figured more like a basketball or maybe yoga ball. Ya, like you said, they’re doing a surprisingly good job keeping it true to the original. The new characters are familiar without being poor imitations. It’s like they really are the next generation. That prob doesn’t make any sense.

            • Observer

              It makes perfect sense, and I agree.

            • Juicer77

              Ooooooooh!

            • TexasBroad

              I’ll find you then. I will be the short one.

            • I’d be the one in casual nunswear but …

            • Puget Buckeye

              Are you in the habit of dressing like that? (Sorry, couldn’t help myself.)

            • Ha, good one! I’m usually more the “bedsheet Jesus” type ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • TexasBroad

              Most everyone will be at first (not Baby), but you’ll settle in and be chatting away in no time.

    • Qbird

      This is so cool. ha!

      • TexasBroad

        ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Puget Buckeye

      Shhhh, don’t tell anyone, but sometimes I Bunker at the office.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      monkey was Bunkering here… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3050f3894348a8f485c964c93f552ed9e43b174472cfbe1543ed6ecaf4292f2d.jpg … briefly during a cycle on Wednesday (started cycling before the new story and was quickly checking in to read it… and take the pic ๐Ÿ™‚ )

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
    • Liberated

      Love that dog !

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        He is called Stefan and he is still a baby, really. He’s their pride and joy ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Chee Chalker

          That is a big ‘baby’!

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I know! They are like silky, long-haired ponies.

        • Liberated

          Bet money it sleeps in their bed.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I’ve seen a photo of him curled up on Jeffrey’s lap like a kitten – if that kitten were the size of a small horse!

      • Supper Powers

        It looks like a Saluki.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          He’s a Borzoi ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Supper Powers

            Never heard of that breed. I will consult the Google.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              They are a Russian breed of hunting dog, I believe.

            • sizzle8

              Do they dance at the Borzoi Ballet?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Aww, Stefan could. He is so elegant!

          • Liberated

            At first I thought it was an Irish wolfhound ….but looked it up and it’s Borzoi.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Wow, I’ve just looked at pictures of Salukis and you’re absolutely right. Borzois and Salukis must be close cousins?

          • Supper Powers

            Yep. I always like watching them run. They’re pretty graceful and I am guessing a borzoi is too.

          • ReallyMGM

            Both sighthounds. Borzois heritage is Russian, and Saluki’s are from the Middle East. Lovely breeds. Elegant.

        • OOkpik

          It’s a Borzoi, I believe. Lovely dogs.

          OOps, should have read on first.

    • JaxNGold

      Excellent pics!

    • TexasBroad

      I’m glad Jeffrey is growing his hair again…part of his superpowers.

    • After getting attacked by furious Flat earth’rs in the comment section, i think Chris needed to be with some sane people!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u8IHeqi6bY

      • PeaceMaker

        I wrote yesterday, about how Scientologists sometimes remind me of flat-earthers.

        Reading the flat-earther comments on Chris’ video, I really see the similarities in mindset. Amongst other things, there’s the belief that they can know things that all the highly-educated specialists and researchers have gotten wrong, and that they’re on to some truth that there is a vast conspiracy to suppress.

        • Imagine to control 100 mill people in a country full of under-educated people that was all against each others quacked believes on the history of creation?

    • GfldedKim

      Such cuties!

  • Nobly

    I am loving the huge increase in new bunker buddies. Welcome to you all! And, for you OSA trolls….may you see the light of truth here, and choose to walk with us!

    • Juicer77

      Or walk in any direction that suits you… especially away from the Co$

  • Supper Powers

    I missed this video that Aaron put out. His DOG is in it and I LOVE him!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B-RkMGkgdx8

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Goliath!

  • This is how they do it – Meme does it all the time. Reading Cat books https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0cde5d7960eb9ece271477d4afd316f7c8d0c8224fb794a3af8c21c0567c26c4.jpg

  • Observer

    This bunker needs an earworm!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • Observer

        My work here is done!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Cow ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Observer

            Moo!

      • Observer

        And why are you still up at 5 a.m., young lady?!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          You see…I was about to go to bed when I glanced up and saw that an erstwhile great pal of mine had shared possibly the most appalling song of the 90s (and no, I have not forgotten Hanson’s “MMMBop”). My poor frazzled nerves!

          • Mick Roberts

            My apologies for this Andrea…..

            Hanson

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
            • Mick Roberts

              Wait huh?

            • Mick Roberts

              It’s not showing up? Damn you Disqus…..

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              It most certainly blinkin’ is ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Mick Roberts

              Oh, ok, good…..err, I meant…..sorry. :p

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              You’re a very bad man, Mick!

          • Observer

            Erstwhile, am I? Harrumph!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Best you find me something bedtimey from Strauss. Perhaps a waltz ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Observer

              No. I’m sulking.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
            • Observer

              lol

          • GrangerFX

            No not the most appalling.
            https://youtu.be/Qkuu0Lwb5EM

  • Greenegirl

    I am a huge fan of your site and the work you do, but I feel compelled to call you out for putting a Scientology spin on the past of a very troubled person. Yeah, you got a scoop that she had almost previously married someone for a green card, and clearly you don’t want the media to forget that you got the scoop. And of course, lets add an exclamation point at the end of sentence a la The National Enquirer, Star Magazine or Us Weekly to let readers know that “[gasp,] it wasn’t her first time!” How responsible is it to report the salacious revelations about the deceased and to appear to bask in them if they are not germane to the husband and mother’s lawsuit again Carrey for allegedly providing her with the drugs she used to commit suicide.

    I wish my first post to your highly enjoyable and educational site would have been for something praiseworthy.

    • TheKremlinCandidate

      Bunker cult supporter outrage in 3, 2, 1…

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Firstly, welcome to the Bunker. I think that’s a really unfair mischaracterisation, however, Greenegirl. Tony is as far from a tabloid reporter as it is possible to be. The tragic events surrounding Cat’s death have everything a tabloid rag salivates over, but Tony only ever goes where the story leads him and he treats the facts with respect, never embellishing or wallowing in melodrama. If you are a regular reader here then you know this is true.

      • Observer

        My Spidey sense is tingling.

        • Puget Buckeye

          ditto

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I trust your Spidey senses implicitly.

        • John Prince

          ๐Ÿ•ธ๐Ÿ•ท๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜Ž

        • JaxNGold

          Quite interesting this person has only made one reply. Hit and run “confront and shatter” fail? Likely.

          I hate thinking that anyone new who posts and criticizes Tony or seems to have an agenda is a $ci. But that post was telling.

          • Liberated

            I was thinking OSA…they’re pretty desperate these days.

        • Robert Eckert

          A classic OSA-troll of the kind that we thought was endangered in the wild.

      • Greenegirl

        Hi, and thank you. I’ve been reading the site since it’s inception and in this instance I disagree with the tone and some of the content of this post — just as I disagree with other journalists whose work I regard highly from time to time.

        I don’t see a need for this paragraph because I don’t see how it advances the story about the lawsuit. What’s the point of its inclusion? All it does is besmirch the character of someone who isn’t around to defend herself.

        “And then came a stunning detail that we hate for the rest of the media to forget already. Not only had Cat engaged in a secret wedding with a fellow Scientologist in order to avoid going back to Ireland, but it wasnโ€™t her first time!”

        • John Prince

          Just in case you are who you claim to be. .most people around would tend to believe SCIENTOLOGY played a larger Role in the Suicide of this poor troubled person than Jim Carrey! !

        • Juicer77

          I hear what you are saying, and being able to share disagreement is certainly important for quality conversation. However, considering the ongoing concerns about the Co$ withholding passports and $cientologists using religious visas inappropriately, the incident deserves a mention. It’s also important to remember that as tragic as her ending was, Ms. White was a human being who made mistakes and bad choices and suffered illness. It would be bad journalism to report only things that make her look good in retrospect.

          I can see why you would object to the phrasing and punctuation, but that’s a stylistic choice on Tony’s part. Thanks for being honest.

    • Puget Buckeye

      If, indeed you wish your first post would have been for something praiseworthy, then perhaps you should have chosen a different topic. The choice was all yours.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Have you read all the linked content about Cathriona?
      Are you really outraged or are you just prepared to seem that way?
      Who among your pals thinks that Carrey was really responsible?

      Could $cientology really be a criminal dishonest organization?
      Would they really deny life-saving treatments?
      Are Scientologists totally opposed to psychology and psychiatry?

      Was Lord Hubris a daft lunatic?
      Where is the science to support Scientology?

    • John Prince

      I wish your first post showed that you had read the story correctly. .the story here IS scientology. .
      Nice try osa asswipe ๐Ÿ–•

    • Greengirl, your use of the word “spin” demonstrates the deliberate use of loaded language with a negative connotation. It is an appeal to emotion rather than reason and substance.

      You also attack Tony’s motives without addressing the substance of his argument regarding Scientology You do this by conveniently ignoring the passage in Tony’s post that actually refers to Scientology and shows its relevance, which is:

      “We think that Scientologyโ€™s involvement, however, is not one that should be forgotten.

      For a young woman who had had a history of struggling with depression, turning to Scientology was perhaps the worst thing she could have done. Scientology demonizes mental health care, and would have convinced her that it was a betrayal to seek proper counseling or medication. And the grueling nature of the SRD could not have helped.

      Itโ€™s a shame that this beautiful young woman ever went near Scientology. Perhaps the court ought to keep that in We think that Scientologyโ€™s involvement, however, is not one that should be forgotten.”

      A key issue in the wrongful death lawsuit against Carrey, if not the key issue, is causation. That is, who or what caused Cat’s death. Such issues are always legally difficult in suicide cases. Was the victim solely responsible for their own death? If not, who else was and why?

      Under such circumstances, Tony is correct that Cat’s membership in a church, religion or organization that demonizes mental health care and the appropriately monitored intake of prescription psychiatric medication is relevant to the issue of causation. Also relevant is the impact of the Scientology Survival Rundown (SRD) on a fragile mind.

      Your complaint is for those reasons, among others, without merit.

      • John Prince

        I hope You’re Not expecting such a well-written reply from “greenegirl” ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘€

      • TheMirrorThetan

        It is funny that “greenegirl” is so outraged but refers to Cathriona as “the deceased” , ” Troubled person” and “she”, but never by her name.
        It is almost like it was an excuse to bitch and not a genuine concern.

    • Mick Roberts
      • Liberated

        His TR’s are obviously not in…shame.

    • Supper Powers
      • Liberated

        Yep.

      • Mick Roberts

        Damn, ya just gotta hate technology, don’t ya?

        • Shivani33

          This person feels “compelled.” Scientologists are compelled but usually don’t admit it until after blowing. Every sentence is full of tells, untruth and insincerity, and it all contains a poorly concealed agenda. Writing is not this person’s milieu, and he or she needs a different kind of assignment of a nonliterary nature. Espionage wouldn’t be a good choice, either. How about gardening? It might be easier to blow from a garden.

      • Puget Buckeye

        Busted!

      • John Prince

        “First “Post, huh Greenie? …NAILED to the WALL ! !@@#$

      • Can i bug you with the link to that convo?
        eta: never mind – i found it.

        • Supper Powers

          You could have and I would have been delighted to oblige. Glad you found it.

          • I think i know this “Tag team” ๐Ÿ™‚ Someone might write a Blog post about it or not. Bwahaha *lol*

    • Liberated

      How do we know you’re really green ?

    • Baby
    • Eivol Ekdal
      • Baby

        hahahhaha … I love Jackie..

    • madame duran

      Do you realize that your entire post could’ve been summarized with, “I’m not a Scientologist but…”? Would’ve saved you a lot of typing.

      Delving into Jim Carrey’s sexual history and his alleged STIs aren’t salacious AT ALL but reporting on Cathriona’s bouts of depression, the influence of her Scientology ties and her illegal stay in the U.S. are? Riiiiight.

      May I gently remind you that it was Cathriona’s MOTHER and HUSBAND OF CONVENIENCE who, via their lawyer, brought up the details of Cat’s intimate relations with Carrey, not the media. That information is being used by the plaintiffs to suggest a motive for Carrey (it’s claimed that he gave her herpes which made her distraught and despondent). How any of that relates to the charge of providing drugs for suicide, I have no idea. But attention-whores need something to ramp up a lame lawsuit, I guess.

      • Greenegirl

        Actually, no, my comment could not have been summarized with your assumption.

        It is nice to know that there are people on this site who will sarcastically and erroneously accuse someone of sympathizing with Scientology if they deign to disagree with or criticize the author.

        • madame duran

          What exactly are you criticizing in Tony Ortega’s report on this case? Let’s review the points in your original post:

          – was it for bringing up Cathriona’s link to Scientology (“putting a Scientology spin” is your quote)?
          – was it for reminding readers about his news scoop concerning Cathriona’s attempt to get a green card through false means?
          – was it for using an exclamation mark (“a la The National Enquirer” and other tabloids was your comparison)?
          – was it for reporting the sexual details that were publicized by other media sources?

          Apparently, your main beefs with Tony are a) his lack of professionalism and b) sensationalism. So the news story itself isn’t a problem but you’re criticizing HOW it was reported by Tony. Would that be fair to say?

          I find your criticisms to be quite MINOR in nature. It isn’t a breach of ethical journalism to promote exclusive news scoops nor is it sensationalist to use exclamation marks. I’ve already explained that the sexual details were first revealed by Cathriona’s own mom and husband-of-convenience; they weren’t leaked by Tony nor were they the prime focus of his reporting. As for the Scientology link to the story, it is far from irrelevant as it relates to the question of causation and the circumstances that led to Cat’s suicide. The plaintiffs in the court case allege that it was Jim Carrey’s fault; Tony’s report indicates that there were other possible reasons that led to her demise. How is such a claim irresponsible or nonsensical?

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          Whether you are or are not a Scientologist, I have no idea. Regardless, you are still free to post your opinions, criticisms and disagreements here–even if they’re targeting Tony (a privilege that Scientology will NOT allow for its own membership to exercise against the organization and its leadership).

          I happen to think your grievances lack substance and are even laughable because they’re so trivial. Seems to me that you view the Scientology connection as a distraction and want to “call out” Ortega for persistently pursuing that angle. Trying to downplay or cover up the existence of a Scientology link to Cathriona’s story is something a Scientology sympathizer would do. I’m also aware of the ongoing “Underground Bunker is a cult!” narrative that some online commentators wish to push. Here are traits of the Bunker that you won’t find in cults: open-mindedness, questioning, dissent, critical thinking, diversity of thought, requests for and the offering of objective proof to back up claims. Oh, and humour. Lots and lots of it. If it appears that we “worship” Tony, it really is because we highly respect his research skills as a journalist. Doesn’t stop us from voicing disagreement with him or correcting his occasional spelling errors (side note: seriously, Tony? “Sorded”, not “sordid”? Ugh. Proof that you aren’t a god). The very fact that you aren’t being obstructed from posting your criticism here is evidence of the freedom you won’t find in a cult-controlled environment.

          Excuse me while I chuckle at the your attempt to fashion yourself as a media watchdog and free speech advocate/martyr.

    • Pia Pill

      Greenegirl, Understand why you enjoy this site; I read it every day and this is only my second post (ooops; maybe it counts as third since I replied to someone). Anyway, I really did not interpret the data/article/post (not sure of the proper term) as you did. The article, in my opinion, did NOT have a “Scientology spin” per se but since MOST OF THE PARTIES involved are scientologists except Jim Carrey and possibly her mother, scientology is bound to be ensnared in the story. It is very upsetting that Cathriona committed suicide and I can’t even imagine what her family and friends are going through BUT if you know anything about Scientology, you would understand that Scientologists are OPPOSED TO TAKING MEDICINE (at least that has been my experience) so to suggest that Jim Carrey GAVE HER THE PILLS seems at odds with her “religious practices” as well as Jim Carrey believing that his medications are in a secure location (his home) and someone other than himself would NOT take the med since it was contrary to their belief system (i.e. Scientologists) …. Now let’s cover the lawsuits and why the marriage(s) of Cat are reasonably coming in to play; I think I am correct that for an individual to bring about a civil lawsuit (as this one), the person must establish they have “standing” which is the legal right to bring someone to court. Understandably, the Mother has standing; but the husband may be in trouble because if the “marriage” can be established as one of convenience to only allow Cat to stay in the U.S., then it can be reasonably argued that the marriage was a fraud which could then usurp his standing (let alone that he can be charged with a crime) … which then leads to the natural connection to Cat’s past patterns of conduct (cue in the false marriage scheme and picture she orchestrated before). So the article is not attempting to disparage Cat at all but is giving the details of her life that otherwise would have remained private (maybe) if these lawsuits had not been pursued. To be honest, if you have been around loved ones that have been ensnared within Scientology’s web, you may then understand how very destructive this organization is and really very little (and I do mean VERY LITTLE), if none at all, can be positively said about the effects Scientology has others. Again, it is quite sad that Cat took her own life and her despondency could have been the result of the “HORRID RUNDOWN” (or whatever they are called) that she was putting herself through versus breaking up with Jim Carrey. Something to think about; odd that out of all the entire length of the article, you keyed in on one exclamation point (I refuse to use one now but am so tempted for the irony) ๐Ÿ˜•. Honestly, I had to go back and search for the darn thing because I did not take notice of it relative to data being presented. Finally, I think these lawsuits will bring about the ability for Jim Carrey’s lawyer to bring in the Scientology stuff which the “church” works very hard to avoid because it is so damaging to their cause. The trial will be interesting to see just how much of Scientology and their practices are put on display in the courtroom.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I will sign off with a photo which Chris Shelton may already have shared here, but if he hasn’t I wouldn’t want you to miss it. Look how much fun he is having! F5

    Night all. Obs, you are not forgiven ๐Ÿ˜›

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fac168d164fe81d60aaaad42b4efacf6dd2fdb36ed6bbb2c714398de48f0ed28.jpg

    • Observer

      Meanie!

    • Puget Buckeye

      Wait, does this mean that Chris is a celebrity?

    • Juicer77

      Living Well Is The Best Revenge

  • Supper Powers
  • madame duran

    Has anyone posted news about this recent property purchase by Co$ (Santa Barbara)? I discovered it just now. Apologies if it’s a repeat.

    http://www.vcstar.com/story/news/local/communities/ventura/2017/06/02/scientology-church-moves-in-condo-developer-moves/359747001/

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Congratulations to Leah Remini on becoming a series regular on Kevin James’ show. It was the highest rated new comedy show on TV last year. I love it when a former Scientologist leaves the illegal organization masquerading as a church called Scientology and thrives! It just proves that all of what the organization teaches is bullsh@t!

  • HTC

    Curious to see if/when the cult will jump on this: Chris Cornell and drugs

    https://www.yahoo.com/music/chris-cornell-toxicology-report-apos-231723086.html

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    Scientology… if you hear that word and discover somebody you know is a scientologist, well get the hell out of Dodge… if you don’t, you are going to enter a twisted world of bizarre situations and lunatic relationships. And the further you go into it, the more psychotic it gets, like getting sucked into a black hole.

    Scientology is just a labyrinth of insanity and human misery. I bet Jim Carrey understands this fact by now.