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EXCLUSIVE: Cat White’s marriage to man suing Jim Carrey was a sham to beat immigration, and was not her first fake wedding, say friends

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[Burton, White, and Carrey]

A man named Mark Burton filed a wrongful death lawsuit yesterday in Los Angeles against comedian Jim Carrey, claiming that the actor should be held liable in last year’s apparent suicide of a 30-year-old woman from Ireland named Cathriona White.

Cat White was Jim Carrey’s on-again-off-again Scientologist girlfriend, and a suicide note she left behind suggested that she killed herself because she was distraught over Carrey breaking up with her. But she was also married to Burton, who is accusing Carrey of illegally obtaining prescription medicines under a fake name in order to supply them to Cat, who used them to end her life. Carrey has maintained that the medicines were stolen from him, and he didn’t notice they were missing until it was too late. He expressed great distress at her death, and attended her funeral in Ireland. But Burton claims in his lawsuit that Carrey reneged on an agreement to help pay for the funeral’s costs. Burton’s attorney, Michael Avenatti, used Twitter yesterday to claim that Carrey’s involvement in his former girlfriend’s death is so suspicious, it warrants a criminal investigation by the Los Angeles County District Attorney.

Media outlets are eating up the story, naturally, but few reports are asking any questions at all about who Mark Burton is, or are bothering to remind readers that last year it came as a huge shock even to some of Cat White’s closest friends when the L.A. Coroner revealed that she was a married woman.

Today, we have new information that should put Mark Burton’s lawsuit, and Michael Avenatti’s statements about it, in perhaps a different light.

Two independent witnesses, both personal friends of Cat White, tell the Underground Bunker that Cat made it crystal clear to them that her quick marriage to Mark Burton was one of convenience only, and was intended to fool immigration officials so Cat could gain the legal status she needed to remain in the United States. Additionally, both of our witnesses say they are so certain of their information, they are each willing to speak with law enforcement officials about the fraudulent nature of the Burton-White marriage.

After Carrey and Cat broke up in 2012, Cat was desperate to find someone who would marry her so she could stay in the country, and she approached multiple Scientologist friends about helping her out with fake marriages before she quietly went to Las Vegas in January 2013 to marry Burton. (When she died last year, Cat had been living for three months in a Sherman Oaks home, and Burton lived hundreds of miles away in Oregon.)

In fact, marrying a friend for immigration status was something Cat White had talked about for years, even before she began dating Carrey. In 2010, two years before she started up with the actor, Cat and her friends staged a fake wedding with one of her fellow Scientologists in order to produce wedding photos that could be used to fool immigration authorities. Cat ultimately didn’t go through with marrying that man, but a photo from the event exists, and we have a copy.

We asked Burton’s attorney, Avenatti, for a statement about Burton’s marriage to White and whether it was legitimate. He told us that all that mattered was that Cat’s death certificate named Burton as her husband. He then sent us a generic statement about the “Carrey spin team” that didn’t address the Burton-White marriage.

Carrey, meanwhile, put out a strong statement characterizing the lawsuit as a shakedown attempt: “There are moments in life when you have to stand up and defend your honor against the evil in this world. I will not tolerate this heartless attempt to exploit me or the woman I loved,” he said in a prepared statement. “Cat’s troubles were born long before I met her and sadly her tragic end was beyond anyone’s control. I really hope someday soon people will stop trying to profit from this and let her rest in peace.”

 
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[Tiber McCormick and Tyler Hynes]

Cat White grew up in Ireland, and began her journey to Hollywood and Scientology when she met an Austrian photographer’s family who lived in a castle in Tipperary. We’ve written before about how Gottfried Helnwein’s family, particularly his son Cyril, befriended Cat and impressed her with their connections in Scientology. The Helnweins were connected to musician Beck Hansen and the Ribisi clan, who seemed to have a pipeline of young Scientology talent making its way in Hollywood.

Cat moved to Los Angeles in 2009, and began chasing Hollywood success while she also began her journey in Scientology. Thanks to the Helnweins, she did fall in with the Ribisi clan’s peripheral members, and soon found herself dating a Scientologist named Tiber McCormick, followed by another Scientologist, Tyler Hynes, who were both part of the young Hollywood crowd she was hanging with.

But one of her close friends tells us that Cat was also very aware that she was in the country illegally after her tourist visa ran out.

“She was looking for someone to marry so she could stay in the country. She was trying to get Tiber to marry her,” our source says. (She asked not to be named in this story but says she will soon be going public when a documentary she’s involved in gets released.) “We were all really close. Tiber, and Mark Burton, and other Scientologists, we were all best friends.”

Our source says Cat was open about the fact that she was in the country illegally and needed to do something about it. And Cat was counting on one of her male Scientologist friends to help her out.

“In fact, Cat had a fake wedding. At somebody’s house up in the hills,” our source says.

One of Cat’s male Scientologist friends agreed to go through with a sham marriage, but they knew they’d be quizzed by immigration officials to find out if it was a real relationship. So in the spring of 2010 they decided to stage a fake wedding so they’d have photographs to show.

Our source shared with us a photo from the wedding party, showing Cat in her white wedding gown. Unfortunately, it’s not a high resolution shot. But if you know Cat, it’s unmistakably her in the gown.

 
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Our source says the fake wedding ended up being for nothing after Cat and her friend decided not to marry. Instead, two years later, she met Jim Carrey and began dating him. The two seemed genuinely interested in each other, but our source says that Cat definitely had in mind marrying Carrey so she could stay in the country. Instead, after dating him for several months, they separated

“She was devastated when they broke up,” our source tells us. And suddenly, her immigration status took on even more importance.

“She asked like five other Scientologist dudes to marry her so she could get a green card before Mark said yes,” our source says. “They were not married for anything else but for her to get that green card.”

They had met on the set of low-budget film sets where Mark was a cameraman and Cat did makeup and hair. Our source says Mark agreed to the sham marriage in part because he’d long had a crush on Cat. But it wasn’t something she felt in return. “Cat was not into Mark like that. They were really close, but not like that.”

Records show that on January 15, 2013, Burton and Cat were married in Las Vegas. This time, unlike the sham wedding in 2010, other friends weren’t involved. Very few of Cat’s friends knew about the marriage at all.

“I saw her after she and Jim broke up, and she said she got her green card. I said, ‘How’d you swing that?'” says our second source, another close friend of Cat’s who came to us independently of the first.

The second source says Cat told her about the marriage to Mark Burton several weeks after she got back from Las Vegas. “She got an apartment with him, but it was for show. She moved back with Jim after she started dating him again. There was no real relationship with Mark as a husband.”

It’s believed Cat and Carrey were on and off again until they were spotted dating in March 2015. Then they broke up again a year ago, in September 2015. That breakup apparently fueled Cat’s decision to end her life, and she made use of Carrey’s prescription drugs, which he’d obtained under the fake name “Arthur King.”

Now, Cat’s former friends say, they’re disgusted that Mark Burton is suing Jim Carrey and claiming that he was responsible for Cat taking her life.

“The guy’s crazy,” says our second source. “Everyone knows it was a set-up marriage.”

“He’s such a fucking retard, he’s so stupid. It’s unbelievable that he’s suing,” says our first source. She has no doubt that Burton is listening to people in his life who see things in stark terms of the hunter and the hunted.

“Mark used to tell me that the insurance company his parents worked for could spy on anybody,” she says, referring to David Morse Associates, a notorious insurance investigations company that became a haven for former Scientology spies, including the company’s CEO Duke Snider, Mark Burton’s stepfather.

As we pointed out in an earlier story, Burton’s stepdad is a former Scientology spy who was convicted of felony conspiracy and sentenced to prison as part of the largest infiltration of the U.S. federal government in history, Scientology’s “Snow White Program” that broke into and burglarized federal offices from 1974 to 1977.

In other words, Mark Burton was raised in Scientology, and with ruthless role models. He’s hired Avenatti, a high-profile attorney who’s tangled multiple times with the NFL and, before he became a lawyer, worked in a consulting firm run by Rahm Emanuel.

Avenatti’s complaint on behalf of Burton accuses Carrey of being unforgivably at fault for Cat White’s death:

— Carrey could monitor surveillance cameras outside the home that showed Cat had entered the house but not left for more than a day, and yet he didn’t make an attempt to check on her, the complaint alleges.

— Cat’s lifeless body was discovered on September 28, and an autopsy showed she died from ingesting Ambien, Propranolol, and Percocets, all of which had been prescribed to Jim Carrey under the name Arthur King.

— The lawsuit accuses that Carrey “marketed” and “distributed” the drugs to Cat on September 21.

— Cat likely overdosed on September 24, though she wasn’t discovered until September 28.

— On September 27, Carrey sent Cat a text saying that his drugs were missing, and the lawsuit alleges that Carrey did this as a ruse to cover up that he had voluntarily given the drugs days earlier to Cat. He continued his ruse as “a good guy” by offering to help pay for funeral expenses — but later reneged on it.

Burton is suing Carrey for wrongful death as well as violating drug handling laws. The lawsuit asks for an “ex parte prejudgment writ of attachment” so Carrey’s assets can be seized, “including his Gulfstream V private jet” in advance of what’s likely to be a large award.

Well, it’s certainly worth asking, at least.

“I think it’s so selfish, and it’s really sad. Mark is so disrespectful for bringing this all up again and suing Jim,” says our first source. “Jim Carrey was so sweet to her. He had nothing to do with her killing herself.”

She says she’s sure that Burton is being manipulated as a Scientologist to make the play for a big settlement from Carrey. “Mark actually has a big heart. But this is something Scientology does to manipulate people to do its work for them. It’s selfish, and it’s hardcore manipulation by the church.”

 
OUR CATHRIONA WHITE COVERAGE

Sept 30, 2015: Jim Carrey’s Scientologist girlfriend on ‘SRD’ when she killed herself: Friends
Oct 1, 2015: Cathriona White’s Scientology ‘twin’ on grueling courses was an actor named Travis Case
Oct 4, 2015: Meet the young Hollywood types who introduced Cathriona White to Scientology
Oct 6, 2015: Scientology spied on Jim Carrey to get him on ‘Purif,’ says former exec
Oct 6, 2015: Cathriona White was married to Scientologist Mark Burton
Oct 7, 2015: A secret Scientology wake, a ‘Snow White’ link, & more odd twists emerge in the Cat White story
Oct 8, 2015: For some reason, news sites are keeping quiet about who found Cat White’s body. So here he is.
Oct 9, 2015: The Scientology-Ireland connection that propelled Cathriona White to Hollywood

 
And here’s the court complaint…

Mark Burton v. Jim Carrey, Complaint

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on September 20, 2016 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Every now and then I get alarmed about the evil effectiveness of the Scientology organization, and then a story like this comes along that sets my mind at ease. OSA and the PR geniuses at Flag (east and west) have once again demonstrated just how hapless they truly are in navigating the modern world.

    This story is already blowing up in their faces, and barring another bigger, sexier story coming down the track, will only get worse. The lead on all follow up stories in the media are presenting Carrey in a sympathetic light. His lawyer is well known for not backing down, and he has been handed a load of damning material to use against the CoS. And in the court of public opinion the tide is in Carrey’s favor. In looking over various comment threads on this story, people are either sympathetic to or openly supportive of him.

    The Scientologists who keep doing this will never learn, because they must follow the course laid down by a mean-spirited dead man. Scientology is in a death spiral of its own devising.

    • MarcabExpat

      Alas, another bigger, sexier story just did come down the track. But the Brangelina fuss will hopefully die down before this comes to a head.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Depends, I think, on whether the Pitts decide to add details. The Carrey lawsuit has more mileage, but not the star wattage. So… we will see.

        • MarcabExpat

          They’ve released a statement that they want to do this “amicably” and low-key. But yeah… we’ll see if that lasts through the final signing of papers.

    • LongtimeLurker

      It’s so true.

      Its a roller coaster.

      Omg, how did they get away with that?

      Oh, another idiotic footbulleting

    • FredEX2

      And spiraling down even more quickly due to its leadership…

  • Baby

    Hell of a story today Tony.. I just woke up.. will join the real world in a second.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Just woke up? Have you been hittin’ the bottle again Sue Ellen?

      • Baby

        Todd every time you call me Sue Ellen I laugh..

        No silly.. During the summer I wake up around 3-4
        I’m working my way up to cooler days..

        So go to bed earlier around 4 am

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You Spanish or somethin’? That’s the schedule they maintain in Spain!

          • Baby

            Really? I did not know that.. Nope.. I’m not.. xo

            • Mark Foster

              Yes, lots of businesses/shops close between 2 and 5 for siesta(nap time), then reopen and close later…

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              And cities in Spain run full blast late into the wee hours.

            • Baby

              Good Lord where have I been..? That is my hours.. too hot. Like sizzling hot.

        • Rasha

          To be honest, I love nighttime. My least favorite time is just as the sky is beginning to lighten before dawn. Perfect going-to-bed time. Gimme a late Summer/early Autumn afternoon, all buzzin’ with insects, and a cool-breeze sunset into a black, jeweled night anytime. Or a clear, snow-covered, full-moon midnight….

          Hold on, I’m gonna sit over here and swoon for a bit…..

          • Baby

            absolutely.. All except the insects.. Forget it.. the No See’ums will eat you up.

  • ze moo

    Read Tony’s earlier stories about Cathroina. Some or much of her depression came from being ‘stuck’ on one of the brain numbing $cieno ‘courses’. Yeah, there are a lot of factors that trigger and make depression worse, but the $cieno aspect is particularly damning.

    F*^k you Lron…and your little minion Dwarfenführer…

    • LongtimeLurker

      I have depression.

      I have read a lot about depression.

      I have written a bit about depression.

      With everything I know about Scientology, I can honestly think of few things that would be more likely to worsen it than being a committed Scientologist.

      Edit – F**k you Lron.

      • Mark Foster

        TL DR
        Relating to your point, LL, from a poster named Brian at Rinder’s blog, today(read the whole thing, you’ll see what I mean):

        Brian says
        September 20, 2016 at 10:50 am

        Trying to improve Dave’s PR is like trying to improve the image and credibility of Milli Vanilli.

        Scientology has become, out here in Woglandia, indelibly cemented with the words: fraud, dangerous, family destroying, mind numbing cult. That is because that is the truth.

        And David Miscavige is likewise forever associated as the leader of a fraudulent-dangerous-family destroying-mind numbing cult.

        No amount of money can change the course of history.

        Fraud and deception; the underlying basis for Scientology.

        Sometimes I think about how these old time executives who have been with Dave are doing emotionally and mentally.

        There must be some arrested development with these people. Being so far removed from the “evil culture” has most likely caused these folks to evolve into disconnected strange people. Like Lord of the Flies.

        Here’s a thought:

        Scientology has caused so much familial pain through disconnection. And the karmic repercussion is that, in no uncertain terms, society is disconnected from Scientology and sees it as suppressive.

        Scientology has become Ron’s fears, Ron’s imaginary bogey man by:

        1) It implants wrong knowledge and threatens punishment if questioned. That is an implant to mind control.

        2) it cements the individual to the body by years and years and years of BT auditing.

        3) it assaults the very idea of being at cause by claiming that it’s the BTs causing your experience. Thus associating our own thoughts and feelings with some outside source. Thus causing a psychological disassociation. Thus associating Ron’s fears and imaginings that then define our thoughts and feelings. That’s friggin scary!!!

        That which Scientology has judged and disconnected from, the SP, has become what Scientology is.

        Scientology has become the SP to be shunned. Scientology has become the enemy they fought so hard to eradicate.

        One of the greatest crimes of mental health in Scientology is when Ron said that a clear does not have “HIS” reactive mind anymore.

        As soon as a person agrees to this disempowering and dangerous mind fuck, all of his personal issues are then assigned to the imaginary BT and their demented condo called clusters.

        The OT levels create a psychological disassociation.

        By agreeing with this wrong knowledge the truth seeker has self sabotaged his ability to see the true nature of his actual problem by assigning it to science fiction imagery.

        Class 8’s and Class 12’s are the high voodoo priests that cement these lies and fraudulent mental handicaps into the minds of the Scientology victims.

        Once Ron’s BT theory has been laid into the mind, it’s difficult to undo.

        Some years ago I sent someone to Tray Lotz for auditing. This was before I started uncovering some of my Scientology mind fuck through these blogs.

        I had an email exchange with Trey, who is a very nice person, about OT 3. He is convinced beyond doubt that these things are true.

        When people earn their livelihood running this stuff on others, it’s so very hard to jump start their ability to reason. In Scientology, the highly trained auditor got ego perks. That’s hard to break also. So you have people promoting their auditing class out here in Woglandia.

        When issues seem to resolve by running BTs, Volcanoes, Martian and Venusian implant stations, that person has assigned imagination to actuallities, thus implanting the mental condition of cognitive dissonance, thus forever mis-assigning the true nature of the mind, feelings and the body.

        When it’s someone else’s fault all the time, the true nature of a problem will never be spotted.

        This, in essence, was Ron’s mental profile; Blame

        And because Ron is the teacher in Scientology, blame is the essence of Scientology.

        Scientology is where the OT learns how to be cause by becoming the effect.

        I think I just hurt my brain with this last one. What drivel!

        • Rasha

          Yeah, but other than that, it’s helpful and makes sense.

          • Mark Foster

            Rasha, of course! And you can ” keep your wins” ! Woo-hoo!

            • Rasha

              I was totally thinking about telemarketing robo-calls this morning, and…….

          • LongtimeLurker

            You’re on fire today!

            • Rasha

              (Supposed to be working, shhhh!)

        • LongtimeLurker

          Wow.

          Thanks for copying and posting that.

  • Baby

    I have a suggestion.” You know Who” blog referred by

    FMB = Freedumb Magazing Blog

    • kemist

      Ah, you mean Digging On a Little Deeper. Haven’t been there in months.

      Has anybody noticed if he tends to post on stathusdays before 2 ? I’m mildly curious.

      • LongtimeLurker

        We’re still collating.

        The timing of this week’s Fair Game review will tell a lot.

    • Observer

      Who? What?

      • Baby

        You know who.. is M R

        His blog is turning into ( or has turned into months ago) another sleazy attackin critics / exes..
        that post at Tony’s, ESMB and Mike Rinder’s

        So.. We when referencing him we can refer to it as FMB .. The Freedumb Maganize Blog.. After Scn.. Freedom Magazine..

        • Observer

          I was being smart-alecky. <3

          • Baby

            When I was typing I was like.. ” Jeeze Obs.. where have you been? I felt like I was explaining something to a newbie.. ” hhahhahha f5

            • Observer

              I’m doing my best to ignore that train wreck and not mention it at all. Attention whore wants attention.

            • Baby

              Oh the FMB ?

              right.. ( I had to type it out to remember it better…) ha

            • Observer

              The what, now? 😉

            • Baby

              I’m scared to answer.. are you being a Smart Azz again?

            • Observer

              But of course!

        • JaxNGold

          What intrigues me the most is why he turned on Mike? It’s all so bizarre.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        The MartyR.

        I am now indifferent.

        Good.

    • Qbird

      I thought you weren’t gonna play his game anymore, Baby.

  • As I understand, the only reason Mark Burton has standing to file this lawsuit is because of the sham marriage that makes him legal next of kin?

    Showing that the marriage was a fraud, then filing for the case to be dismissed due to Burton’s lack of standing might be an avenue to try. (I have a Trump U law degree.)

    • LongtimeLurker

      I just noticed that each square on my toilet roll is one of those.

      • Rasha

        …well, not at first…

      • kemist

        But cheaper and more useful.

        At least more comfortable to wipe your butt with.

  • aquaclara

    Ok, so Scientology sees this as yet another way to grub some money.

    For those still in and reading here, think for a moment about the millions of dollars Davey Caps has tucked away. Millions and millions. And it’s not being used for any planetary salvation or some future life. He has it all saved for him. That’s it.

    When you are tempted to defend critics of Scientology, ask yourself if Miscavige would defend you (for free).
    When you are tempted to excuse his gathering of riches off the backs of the least able (among others), think about the dinner you had last night and compare it to MIscavige’s chef-prepared feasts.

    Now ask yourself this: don’t YOU deserve better? I’ll answer that one for you. YES.

    Walk out the door, and enjoy your new life. There are thousands of former members who have done just this.

    Good luck.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Wow. 334 336 337 “Recommended” hearts on this story. Pretty good from a tiny handful of bitter, unemployed fringe-dwellers.

    • JaxNGold

      Lol. I’m unemployed? Hmmm. Then what’s that office I work in every day? Very strange indeed.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Come on. You’re just one of Douglas D. Douglas’ sock accounts.

        And so am I.

        There’s only four real people here.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Huh?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          (Four really, really busy real people…)

    • Kestrel

      One year ago today Tony’s post garnered 154 “Recommended” hearts.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    I don’t know if you saw it, but Kestrel came up with a great suggestion way down the comments somewhere. Here it is: (F5)

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      So I went and jumped in a lake:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LG5tzo1vFM

      • Mark Foster

        Girls, his ass was covered this time…

        • Baby

          Can’t touch this f5

      • April

        I want to come jump in that lake with you.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Everyone is welcome. The water wasn’t as cold as I had expected.

          • Qbird

            soon, soon Johnny ~ fall leaves well into change here in the center of North America… and you be even farther north latitude!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I know how cold it can get. My first dip in the ocean this year was on new years day. THAT was really cold.

      • Rasha

        So, what is the name of this lake?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Sorry, can’t say that here. It’s just outside Oslo.

          • Rasha

            Everything except Oslo is just outside Oslo!

          • ScnMonkeyNuts

            Of course you can, allow me to demonstrate…“Here I am at pleasant and sunny Lake [redacted], [redacted] kilometres from the [redacted] suburb of Oslo (for example), which is closest to it…”… see… easy peasy 🙂

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              There’s the solution right there! It was so easy a monkey could do it.

            • ScnMonkeyNuts

              Exactly 😉

      • JaxNGold

        What a tease you are!

      • Kestrel

        My job here is done.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Thank you for the suggestion, buddy. I wouldn’t have thought of it if it hadn’t been for you.

      • Newiga

        Go Johnny!!! The scenery looks so niceeeee! Går du i bastu efter?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          It’s very nice, and really close by. And we have lost of these lakes around here.

          I have no sauna, but the weather was nice, so I didn’t really need it. Air temp was around 18C, and water temp just a little bit lower – very good for this time of year.

          • Newiga

            Sounds nice! I’m planning to visit a friend’s stuga (summer cottage) by a beautiful lake near my home town really soon and enjoy the last warm weathers before the winter. Sauna, swimming and the whole Nordic experience. ;P

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Sounds like a great plan. I don’t get out and enjoy nature as much as I used to. If you have the possibility, you should really go for it. I’m sure you will remember it fondly for years to come. Maybe you could even make it an annual end-of-summer thing.

            • Newiga

              It already is. 😉 Since we were kids.

              I don’t know how it is in Norway but in Finland it is typical for a family to have a stuga (and a sauna) by the lake and spend a lot of time there during the summer. Love it.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              That’s great!

              A lot of families will have a stuga either by the sea, by a lake, or in the mountains. We have one in the woods near a small lake. The lake is good for fishing, but not good for swimming. Saunas are pretty rare though. Going out to the stuga, it’s just nice to get away from everything, and get a change of scenery once in a while.

      • lynn

        aww geez! I keep watching these over and over and over and they keep ending the same way, maybe if I play them backwards?!? be back later…..

      • Mymy88

        You mean you folks haven’t seen his latest gig? Here’s the video… wait. Mmm, I better not. I’ll wait until tonight after family hour. Oh what the hell. He makes his special solo appearances here and there throughout the video. You’ll know when you see him.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2sF1ciR4D4

    • Chee Chalker

      It IS an excellent suggestion! In fact I think you should go and do it now……and videotape it please

  • Lynnea66

    I am very surprised that his guy went through with a lawsuit. Carrey should stick to his guns and force this into court. By falsely marrying Ms. White for the purpose of defrauding the government, Burton now faces a $250,000 fine and up to five years in a federal prison. The death of Ms. White does not dissolve his wrong doing and I’m hoping the federal immigration services are looking hard at bringing charges in this case. I do not see how they can let it slip by when Mr. Burton is making such a public show of flaunting his actions by pressing forward with this lawsuit. His best bet was to quietly go away until the issue was moot due to the statute of limitations. But by bringing this lawsuit, he has opened up a huge can of worms, quite publicly, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Carrey’s attorneys are not contacting immigration themselves to pursue this line of defense.

    • Eliza Doolittle

      Oh, PLEASE let this happen…

    • Ben Franklin

      According to Carrey’s lawyer, the two never lived together.

      • Lynnea66

        Which is further proof of the fraud. If I was his attorney, I would be chucking this case and telling him to find a new lawyer ASAP. As in, a criminal attorney.

  • Len Zinberg

    Admittedly this is conjecture, but it’s inconceivable to me that OSA, or Miscavige, would not have devised a program thru which to lure Jim Carrey into Scientology. The pressure on Catriona White to “get targets done” may have pushed her over the edge. Carrey would be knowledgable if, indeed this occurred, and this may explain his very tough approach to this legal shakedown by Burton.
    To me, it’s a very plausible scenario, but conjecture nonetheless.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I’d call this an educated guess.

    • MarcabExpat

      Extremely plausible. If Co$ were pushing her, and if Carrey were pushing back the other way (i.e., drop this whole thing or I’m going to break off our relationship), that would be a rock and a hard place. They won’t let up on her, he refuses to play the game… tragic results.

    • I can’t help but wonder if there isn’t also an element of irrational malice against Carrey, ‘the one that got away’ – and sent Scientology up.

      What was that Hubbard said about always getting even?

      • Mark Foster

        “People attack Scientology, I never forget it, always even the score. People attack auditors, or staff, or organizations, or me. I never forget until the slate is clear.”
        L. Ron Hubbard Manual Of Justice (1959).

    • Harpoona Frittata

      He’s way too big of a fish not to try and reel in, especially once he’s bit on just the kind of bait that $cn loves to dangle in front of prospective new members.

      On the other hand, if lil davey the savage + evil minions had concluded that Carrey was an SP, then Cat might have been coerced to break off with him…or perhaps both of these different types of high pressure were applied to her at different points in time. The cult can make you crazy in just so many different ways. And as Tony reported in an earlier blog post article on the subject, Cat had stalled on the SRD after 6 months on it. A course where the DM-approved EP is that everyone on it overuns it and has to be sent to review for auditing at additional expense. Put all of those factors together and you’ve got crazy in a bottle.

      Forget about the superficial Hollywood tabloid angle (because the folks who work it have already moved on to the Brangelina break up story), the real news here that Tony is breaking is the possible cult involvement, featuring folks who’ve been neck deep in some of the most serious crime that $cn has ever committed.

      Tigers never change their stripes, but ex-GO spies who start investigative services businesses are even less likely too.

  • ToadallyBoss

    Always something filthy and criminal with these violent, insane, shitting Scientology assholes. Always.

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    • Rasha

      Purt’near forgot! Thanks!

      • LongtimeLurker

        It were Douglas D talkin’ ’bout it downthread that ‘membered me.

  • Jon S

    Jim Carrey really only needs to ask one question to blow this thing away.
    Q: If the defendant was NOT a Hollywood celebrity, would this case be happening?
    A: No. Obviously.
    Shameful.

    • Ben Franklin

      If the defendant had money. Money is the keyword.

      • Jon S

        yes – i should have written “wealthy Hollywood celeb”

        • Ben Franklin

          I believe it would happen to anyone with loads of money, even if they are not Hollywood celebrity.

          ETA: For example if the boyfriend was someone like Bill Gates, I am sure they would sure. If the boyfriend was a Joe Smith with no money, I don’t think they would have sued. Money is the motivating factor. Celebrity status of the person is just secondary in my opinion. If Jim Carrey did not have any money, I don’t think they would have sued him at all.

  • sizzle8

    If her Scientology pals knew about this they HAD to write Knowledge Reports about the sham marriage.
    Any depositions should include the CC Ethics Officer and Chaplain and discovery should get copies of all reports written.

  • Jon S

    Someone should report this idiot to the INS for immigration fraud.

  • the effervescent mongoloid

    I would refuse to let the adulterous lover of my dead wife help pay for her funeral even if he wasn’t the one who provided her with the drugs that killed her. Mr. Burton and his counsel are probably blinded by the millions of dollar signs swirling around their heads. With Tony Ortega’s intelligence added to the mix this lawsuit is revealed to look like a celebrity shakedown, walk like a celebrity shakedown and quack like one too. Can’t wait to see how this crashes and burns in court.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Did the “husband” even attend the funeral?

    • MarcabExpat

      I would refuse to let the adulterous lover of my dead wife help pay for her funeral even if he wasn’t the one who provided her with the drugs that killed her.

      Yeah, this is just a beautiful sentence right here.

      • LongtimeLurker

        It’s a hell of a good point.

        • flyonthewall

          Is it? Let’s just pretend this isn’t a fake marriage for a sec. She’s been cheating on you and making a fool of you and now you have to pay for a nice funeral for her?? That’s not right.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I didnt say I’d pay for it*. There’s always the rest of her family.

            But I’d certainly try to block the lover from assuaging his guilt by throwing money at her after she was dead.

            Or I might ring him up and get together for drinks to talk about the woman we both loved. Depends on my mood.

            *Although I might, depending on if I still loved her and what her family’s situation was.

            • flyonthewall

              ” Or I might ring him up and get together for drinks to talk about the woman we both loved. Depends on my mood. ”

              o.O Awkward! I’m not the super jealous or possessive type but that would just be weird, lol.

              Idk, I’m undecided. Angry Fly says to let the rich lover bury her in style or else I will just throw her in a burlap sack. Sad but proud Fly says to pay for a modest service from his own money and forbid rich lover from funeral. I am conflicted

            • Fly Lady

              Every girl dreams of her fake husband and lover fighting over who will pay for their funeral… in fact, it’s the main focus of my vision board.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m rooting for you. I really think you can make this happen.

            • Fly Lady

              well, I’ve got the fake husband…

            • LongtimeLurker

              Look, I would be too.

              But probably what neither of us would do would be to whine in a legal document about him allegedly offering to pay and then reneging.

              It’s all hypothetical for me, the closest I’ve been to a life partner recently is the inflatable ballon people at the used car lot who wave to me when I go to get my morning coffee.

    • Observer

      IIRC Carrey didn’t know Cathriona was married.

  • Baby

    Got my tin cup out.. xo .. At the risk of sounding like a real ass kisser.. Tony works around the clock for us to give us the latest breaking news. Any donation would be appreciated.. thank you.. f5

    • LongtimeLurker

      Well if he doesn’t get paid then he can’t pay us for all these fake comments.

      Lucky we all have the regular Big Pharma/Karen de la Carriere paychecks to fall back on.

      • Baby

        and don’t forget Psychs LL.. That is one of my biggest checks.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Wave to the evil Psychs, OSA lurkers.

      • Kestrel

        I always forget about Karen’s checks. They go direct to my numbered bank account in Switzerland.

        • Baby

          They all add up.. I have got my Howdycon 2017 all paid for already.. Just put those checks away.. All for showing up here.. It amazes me.

      • chukicita

        Did you get time-and-a-half for Labor Day? I think I got shorted.

        • Baby

          You know I got extra money but I think that was because I went to Clearwater and was followed.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Okay. PM me what you think you’re owed and we’ll have one of the stealth drones drop it off in the next half hour.

          No need to say where you are, ASC’s OSA already knows.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        It appears that I’ve waited too long to get on that gravy train. My application for “Kept Man 6th Class” was rejected with no explanation or comment attached.

        If I can’t make a better living here in the ASC, then I defecting to the MRC real soon! It’s all about money for me 😉

    • Ben Franklin

      Be careful now. The MRC will accuse you of being UB registrar.

      • Baby

        Yeah.. I figured this will really Piss them off..hahahhaha

        • Ben Franklin

          They could all use registrars over there. It is a congregation of blogger wannabe’s. Each trying to promote their own blogs that barely gets any audience. A group of egocentric self appointed gurus.

          • LongtimeLurker

            They’re all only read by each other.

            It’s an infinite circle-jerk of epically insignificant proportions.

            An ouroboros of egomaniacs.

            ….they suck, is what I’m saying.

    • LongtimeLurker

      That is one freakin’ big and very orange sign.

      • Baby

        Yep.. but ya saw it eh?

    • edge

      Wait a minute…you all got Big Pharma cheques but not me? That is so unfair! With the exchange rate the way it is a cheque from Big Pharma would go a long way in Canada.

      • Baby

        All you have to do is send a link from the Bunker with a post and that is enough edge.. the more you post the more $ you get! It is amazing edge.

  • chukicita

    ‘Scusi if someone has already brought this up but… is Burton’s attorney the same guy who was sued by Patrick Dempsey in 2013?

    http://www.seattletimes.com/business/dempsey-walks-away-from-tullyrsquos-after-suing-partner/

    • Observer

      Sure sounds like him

      • chukicita

        Classy guy. I wonder how somebody like Burton can afford him?

  • Ben Franklin

    I don’t know if Mark Burton anticipated how much media attention his lawsuit was going to draw. It is literally everywhere.

    • Kestrel

      I’m sure his lawyer was hoping for publicity.

      • Observer

        That guy just reeks.

        • LongtimeLurker

          He’s the whole package, ain’t he?

      • Ben Franklin

        By the look of it, most news sources seems to be sympathetic to Jim Carrey’s position. If they were hoping to embarrass Jim Carrey, I don’t think it is working.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I bet this poor bastard is about to go through hell on social media….

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Burton_(writer)

      • Jimmy3

        I’ve been insulting Tim Burton all day on Twitter.

        • Baby

          hahaha.. Jimmy.. You are hilarious..f5

        • LongtimeLurker

          Keep going. I hate that hack.

          • flyonthewall

            *gasp* You don’t like Tim Burton?

      • Ben Franklin

        He is going to have so many media people knocking on his door that his head will spin. Taking on a Celebrity is a whole different beast in itself. Oregon is probably too far, but if he was living in LA, he probably would have had some encounters with paparazzis trying to take photos of him and also digging into every nook and cranny of his life.

    • the effervescent mongoloid

      I’m willing to bet Mr. Burton had no aim to put scientology on trial but that is exactly what will happen and scientology has an equal number of people who hate it as Carrey has of people who love him. This lawsuit was an idiotic idea.

  • Jimmy3

    I’m gonna start suing people for not giving me drugs under a fake name. Lawyer up flyonthewall.

  • nottrue

    Comment from People story….Scientology needs to be in main story

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “Eliza Doolittle” started posting here this morning.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Jinx

      • Eliza Doolittle

        Um… what’s this?

        *ears burning*

        • nottrue

          Great comment ….had to share

          • Eliza Doolittle

            Mine?

            • nottrue

              Your comment from People,com Very good

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Thank-you! *blush*

            • Draco

              Very nice comment.

            • LongtimeLurker

              He posted it as a picture attachment, you have to refresh to see it.

              If you already knew that, I apologise.

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Aaah! No, I didn’t know that! I just saw the blank post! I was ready to take the credit whether it was meant for me or not ..;)

            • LongtimeLurker

              It’s an enraging Disqus thing that throws everyone occasionally.

              People often write “F5” or “refresh” at the bottom of a comment if they’ve attached a picture.

              And yeah, always take the credit. ; )

            • NurseRatched

              figures

            • Qbird

              yeah.. no worries, Eliza. You stand by what you write on the wall, yes?

            • Kestrel

              867-5309

            • Rasha

              THAT’S who I can turn to!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thank God. I thought I’d lost that number.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              “Jenny, Jenny who can I turn to?”

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Absoflippinglutely and then some!
              I can’t thank you guys on this site enough, actually. I know you’re gunning for Scientology in general but it’s really upset me to see someone I’ve adored since childhood be attacked like this for something he hasn’t done wrong but suffered for over the last year.
              I’ve spent most of today seething over these motherfu***ers and they way they manipulate. Guys like you are doing so much good in dragging them out into the light.

              *fist bump*

            • Rasha

              ….Everyone.. SKOOTCH!

            • NurseRatched

              Get yourself in to a psychiatrist ASAP, MORON!

        • Jimmy3

          Can you talk to animals like your father?

          • LongtimeLurker

            Jimmy, don’t scare the visitors.

            Sorry miss, he don’t mean any harm. He’s just touched from a horse kicking him upside the head as a child.

            • Jimmy3

              I need her to ask why the horse hates me so much

            • LongtimeLurker

              ^^^This should get all the upvotes.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You dolt. Her father is the singing, cockney, ne’er-do-well. Her uncle the doctor talks to animals.

            Gotta keep these arcane pop culture references straight.

            • Robert Eckert

              Her brother is a partner in the law firm, Doolittle & Waite

        • NurseRatched

          ignorant moron ~~~ ^

    • LongtimeLurker

      Eliza was here earlier.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        JINX!

        • LongtimeLurker

          JINX!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            DOUBLE JINX!

            • LongtimeLurker

              OMG…what’s happening?!?

              I SEE GOD!!!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Step back from the screen.

              Take a deep breath.

              There.

    • Glen

      My comment:

      “There is further information on this story that has been corroborated by friends of Cathriona White that were close to the situation. The marriage to Mark Burton was a sham, an effort to get her a green card after her tourist visa had expired. Mark Burton is a scientologist who is the step son of Duke Snider. Duke Snider was convicted of felony crimes for his role in Operation Snow White, the Scientology massive effort to infiltrate the government. This is a shameless money grab by Mark Burton.

      I know all this information sounds unbelievable because it is so bizarre. However, there is substantial documentation and witnesses. Casual observers may not be aware of the history and ongoing abuses in Scientology. I’m sure the religious bigot card will be played but I believe anyone can believe what they wish so long as they don’t harm others. However, it’s the deed, not the creed. Look some of this up.”

      • LongtimeLurker

        Nice. Props for “deed not the creed”.

      • Stolen!

    • Perfect!

  • LongtimeLurker

    From Mark Burton’s Twitter;

    “Fuck sake man been in work n missed a murder, poor Celtic.”

    …no…hang on…

  • sizzle8
    • Baby

      Thanks Siz .. better..

    • Draco

      That’s a whole lot of people in on the con…wonder if they are all scilons?

      • sizzle8

        IKR!
        Is that Helnwein at the bottom right, white jacket?

        • sizzle8

          I’m pretty sure that the woman, third from the left, bottom row, is Kojii Helnwein.

          • Ella Raitch

            Please let it be so

  • Baby

    I miss my Daisy.. Love you honey bunny.. f5
    Edit: Our Daisy…( I sounded so selfish..Jeeze)

    • LongtimeLurker

      Do any of us have IRL contact details for her?

    • Draco

      What’s happened to Daisy? Is she OK?

      • LongtimeLurker

        One other person is typing…

        Lurker redundant.

        • Draco

          Snort! You still up? How do you handle work if you are still up at 5am?

          • LongtimeLurker

            I’m massively underemployed.

            Tomorrow is a day off.

            I’ll probably just schlump around the house until nighttime and then pass out.

      • Libertylover

        I think someone said she was helping nurse a sick friend or relative.

        • Draco

          Thanks. Hope all is ok.

        • Robert Eckert

          Her mom. Things might be requiring more of her attention than usual. Send her good wishes.

      • Baby

        I just haven’t seen her.. Sometimes when she isn’t posting she a least upvotes.. I miss her.

      • sizzle8
  • nottrue

    That dud has one long arm…and creepy hand

    • Rasha

      Looks odd, don’t it?

      • Is Jim Mathers hiding somewhere?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The irony of the anti-drugs $cientologist suing.
    Here’s part of what ol’ Ron the Con was up to:

    “But the “class 8 course moment” happened when we were in the “messenger on duty” room. (That’s as I recall, it may have been some other designated room)

    Sitting on a table was a large tray with every kind of over-the-counter pain reliever and allergy medicine you could imagine! Allerest, Sine-aid, Sine-off, Tylenol, probably 15 or so different kinds. And there were frigging 5 or more BOXES of each kind! And oh-so-orderly in their arrangement on the tray!

    Of course I was stunned! Wasn’t this the guy that taught us to eschew drugs and medications? Didn’t an aspirin inhibit a thetan’s ability to create mental image pictures? Wasn’t this the guy that CREATED the Allergy Rundown??”

    The full post is here: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/579d54f216233236de876a3464f938bb3ac201fbbc23b1d55734e451acf9251a.jpg

    • Ben Franklin

      L Ron could cure himself alright. I always wonder why no Scientologist ever asked him why needed a personal doctor?

  • Observer

    I am peevish, having a horrible day at work, AND I have to stay over tonight.

    Here’s a pic that makes me feel slightly better.

    ..

    • flyonthewall

      I could see Trump being appealing to some people if we had crazy high inflation and 50% unemployment etc like post WWI Germany but it’s not like that. Things can always be better but I really don’t see how things are so bad people are running to a loon like Trump.

      If Hillary loses to him she will have some serious soul searching to do. Like, wow, I am so bad that people would rather vote for freakin Trump or just not vote at all. That’s bad.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I don’t want to start a political thing, but according to a huge mass of stats the US is generally doing pretty well across the board.

        What sends them to him is mostly stuff they’re making up or exaggerating, imho.

        If he wins, Hillary and the Democrats need to punch themselves repeatedly in the face.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Trump has created an arena where racists, homophobes and loons have a voice. They’ve never been so happy. Where as the rest of the sane world thought we’d at least buried most of these slimy fucks under rock, Trump brought in his infomercial campaign and kicked it over.

        In talking with my Mother, I’ve tried to avoid the topic. It upsets her greatly to see something she marched for and fought for in college (racial equality) seemingly coming undone with these people. Can’t say I blame her. Right now I’m just hopeful that good sense will win out in the end.

        I have friends that want me to be outraged that Hilary is corrupt (allegedly lol) and my response to them is: “A corrupt politician!?! I’m shocked I tell you! SHOCKED!” 😀

        • stanrogers

          And the proverbial bitch of it all is that it’s not even a coherent group, it’s just a nebulous collection of everybody with a hate or fear of something.

        • flyonthewall

          There’s normal people voting for him too though. There’s no way 40% of the country are racist scumbags.

          I know, Hillary is a normal acceptable level of sleazy corrupt politician. I don’t get what the big deal is.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Yes, where are all these bastions of sanity that are voting for Trump? They sure are quiet, aside from the conspiracy-theory spouting loons that you can’t escape anywhere online, I don’t see many sane, rational people with “Trump” bumper stickers.

            Lesson #1: If you’re too embarrassed to even admit you’re voting for a candidate, that’s a red flag. 😀
            Lesson #2: If corruption is your big bitch about Hilary, I urge you to Google ‘Edwin Edwards’ and get back to me. LOL

            • flyonthewall

              His hard core base of supporters are definitely a bad ugly element but there must be otherwise normal people getting on his bandwagon for various reasons (hatred of Hillary, gun rights, coal industry, etc) or he wouldn’t have the numbers he does.

              eta – those people must not believe or realize how evil and dangerous he really is

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Absolutely, but I remember people wearing fucking Ross Perot buttons during that race and he was a fool. Trump supporters seem to fall into two groups 1) A large, noisy, hateful gaggle and 2) The silent Trump supporters who I couldn’t explain if I tried. If you’re only voting for him just so you don’t have to vote for Hillary, you need to have a closer look at the ballot and possibly retake your high school Government class. LOL

              (Okay Fly…lets leave the politics here before we get in trouble with the Big Boss. Meet me out back and share this J with me. ❤️😊 )

          • Rasha

            There are ‘racist scumbags’, and then there are ‘ignorant racists’. They are the cereal filler.

          • Kim O’Brien

            40% might not be racist …but they will vote for one

        • Graham

          Similar here in the UK following the Brexit vote. It’s empowered all the racists to think they are legitimate political commentators. Our Romanian neighbour, a skilled technician, tells us he got racist jibes at work, starting immediately following the vote. So much so he decided to quit his job and go work for a different company with less racist colleagues.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I hate that gutless crap. No matter which side of the political fence it comes from.

            “I used to not have the balls to say the stuff I believe, but now I feel empowered by numbers I’m gonna inflict it on everyone, like a real hero.”

            Tell your neighbour Lurker sends hugs.

          • Juicer77

            That’s awful 🙁

          • Interested2

            Not to have the world fall on me…. I did not vote for brexit because of race nor immigration.i voted because I have worked with most of the European countries, each has its own morals, each works in different ways, and the fat cats in Brussels giving orders many times to justify their fat cat salaries (straight cucumbers!!!!) cannot or do not want to understand that.

            If you loaned money to someone who was not working nor looking for a job… (Greece) would you give them more money…. And again more money from your hard worked earnings. (Put country in there) . Would you ask the guy who believes in medieval torture from next door to become your close buddy. Hypothetically.

            So, having been called a rasist when I am Jewish, have “adopted” both a catholic girl now woman and a coloured boy now fully grown man, and whose accountant is Muslim and whose most important and closest friends are coloured South Africans, I find being called racist bewildering to say the least.
            End of rant sorry….

        • LongtimeLurker

          It’s almost like there’s another reason people don’t like her.

          You don’t think…

          It couldn’t be…

          …is it because she isn’t a man?

          • Jimmy3

            Vagina Syndrome presents with a distinct lack of penis.

    • The making of a trump: eating cold pork and pumpernickel 😉

    • LongtimeLurker

      What is this “staying overnight” madness?

      Do we need to do a Bunker raid and kidnap you to freedom?

      • Jimmy3

        That’s not a great idea. I’m pretty sure she works at Hawkins National Laboratory.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Oh

        • Observer

          Do not

          • Jimmy3

            That’s what you’re ordered to say

            • Observer

              Is not

            • Jimmy3

              Deny, deny, deny. All you Hawkins broads are the same.

            • Observer

              Are not

      • Observer

        Not overnight, just overtime. This is what happens when an HR person takes over management of a highly technical and complicated department with a steadily increasing workload and refuses to hire any additional people until things are dire.

        • stanrogers

          Sounds like somebody read The Mythical Man Month and took Fred Brooks too literally when he said that adding people to a project running late will make it even later. (It’s true, but only in the scenario he was describing, not “at all times and in all places”.)

          • LongtimeLurker

            I hate that book and that author.

            And I’d never even heard of them before just now.

            • stanrogers

              It’s about managing software development teams. And I’ve been on the wrong end of things when management tries to “help” by adding people who need to be brought up to speed, communicated with through added levels of bureaucracy, and so on, while the folks who were getting something done are taken off task to do those little things and in the meantime forget everything they had planned or have things that were previously integrated split up into what is bound (by Laws of the Universe) to become irreconcilable silos.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay, well that does sound terrible.

              But if implemented properly more warm bodies (not too many, obviously) can help, in my admittedly limited experience.

            • Kestrel

              “If implemented properly” is the key. I once inherited a highly technical and complicated project where the predecessor filled the open slots with warm bodies, including an elementary school teacher who would be gone before the project’s targeted completion date.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Sorry, misread and projected my own experiences with crunch time in the game industry. Derp.

          That situation sounds balls. And not in a good way.

          Sorry you’re in it.

          • Observer

            I’m employed, so I’m thankful for that.

          • JaxNGold

            I’m dying. I’ve never heard anyone else besides myself use the expression “balls” to describe something that sucks. Hilarious!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Really? I use it all the time.

              ; )

        • Kestrel

          I know the pain. And of course, when the new hires show up, they are not up to speed on what is going on, so time and effort are taken to get them up to speed. Or not, which can be worse.

        • Robert Ramsay

          Been there done that. Fun wow.

    • Spike Robinson

      But… Trump is going to make America great again! Really. His toupee told me so.

      And he’s going to be dropping his current running mate whatshisname and picking up someone a bit stronger. May I present the Dream Team of ’16? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d2730cc7e8e8fe5b32e3ba1af3bcb5365354f50f1f7d4f6814ebf428b7334bc.jpg

      (if I’ve posted these here before, please forgive me. My sinuses are acting up and I’m coked out on antihistamines, leaving me with no functioning memory – not that, at 48, I really ever have a functioning memory.

      They say memory is the second thing to go…

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Politics.

        Oy.

    • MarcabExpat

      Wait, they can make you stay over???? How is that even legal?

      EDIT: Derp, I should have scrolled down past the funny pictures. Must be a regionalism where “stay over” means “stay overnight.”

      • Observer

        Yes, durn Ohioans.

        • Rasha

          m/

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Obs, I want you to know that when listening to the Joe Rogan podcast (I listen for the MMA news, not all the other stuff) I often think of you when they talk with their on-air assistant Jamie (don’t know his last name). He literally does what you do, shoops, looks up info to help Joe correct himself if he’s wrong on something, finds clips for him, and I think….someone should hire Obs to do this if they have a long podcast that requires this type of thing. I’d like that for you. *hugs* P.S. I’d also like the paycheck of working on a popular podcast for you too. 🙂

          • Observer

            Ooo, that’s a thing?!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Yes, I will try to find out his name so you can trace his path to this ultra-cool job. When he put up a shoop, my first reaction…OMG Obs would have done that so much better! LOL

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Jamie Vernon https://twitter.com/jamievernon?lang=en

              Not sure how much his Twitter will tell you but yes, what you do is a job that people get paid for. 😀

            • Observer

              You could knock me over with a feather.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Time for me to head out for the day. I will be checking in.

    Meanwhile, here’s a helpful item for Mr. Burton. From your friends at OSA:

    (refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ab11c6a413c5c0c81b9671b3c860cbc02afe60939665b390bf90108a8f4fad9.jpg

    • LongtimeLurker

      lol. Have a good one!

  • Spike Robinson

    Jon Atack’s blog today talks about “information phobia” – the phenomenon that makes Scientologists (and other cult members) unable to look at any critical information about their group.

    http://openmindsfoundation.org/undue-influence-explanation/information-phobia

    • Noesis

      Thanks for this link.

      Perhaps the most useful aspect of Jon’s post is the difference between Jon’s style of writing and the writings of Marty Rathbun.

      Marty likes to think of himself as an independent thinker. He claims sincerity when he writes about the cult-like behavior of those that disagree with him. Fine.

      But then Marty goes full ad-hom with nasty, snarling comments about whomever he is targeting…and if he has such…he spills “secrets” about the targeted person that make them (in Marty’s mind) seem less likable and therefore less credible.

      Marty is working from the Scientology PR playbook. Even if he is not in the employ of the church and even if he has not arrived at some private agreement with the church that compels him to attack those that are effectively blowing the whistle on Scientology, Marty is behaving the same way the Scientology PR machine behaves. He apparently has no other model to follow.

      Rather than engage in rational discussion about important matters, issues are reduced to personal insults and attempts to degrade the other party (or parties) involved in the discussion. This muddies the water and makes enemies for Marty – just as it has made enemies for Scientology for decades.

      Compare the above with Jon’s reasoned comments and analysis. There is no ad hom, there is no nastiness…thus others are actually able to read, think calmly about important matters and arrive at their own conclusions.

      And they will not be sent to “Ethics” for coming to a “wrong” conclusion.

      • Ben Franklin

        “Marty likes to think of himself as an independent thinker.” Look, I would take Marty more seriously if he had any reputable academics citing his work. For now, Marty is in the same pile as Oracle and Alonzo. Nothing more than ex-scientologists who have somehow managed to delude themselves that they have transcended above other human beings.

        • Noesis

          Within the framework of piecing together a meaningful picture of the total Scientology experience, Marty had useful information to share as a former high level executive – and he did so. So have thousands of others. The information supplied by those thousands of others has its own utility and that info deserves an audience too.

          Sometimes J&D is a functional safety valve through which those that have been abused can release the painful emotions they feel as a result of their Scientology experience. Hubbard did not prohibit such behavior for no reason. He knew that mockery of Scientology weakens the hold of the totalist mindset that his “work” created.

          Thus J&D among one’s fellow ex’s is an excellent vehicle for recovering one’s perspective about their prior experiences. Most of the J&D here is harmless fun…however J&D might seem otherwise…if one has something to hide.

          On that I happen to agree with Hubbard.

      • MarcabExpat

        Thank you. I just ventured over there today briefly and was a little surprised to that Marty had allowed through a comment from Tory which was quite direct and challenging, yet still polite (as she always is). I was shocked, but not really surprised, to see her immediately attacked as a “turncoat.” That was the actual word that was used. Tory Christman–a turncoat.

        So, between his posts and the comments on it, Marty’s blog for people who have left the Church of Scientology has now come full circle as a safe place to attack people who leave the Church of Scientology.

        • Noesis

          As many times as I have posted this, it never fails to paint the true picture of what Scientology is and how it behaves as an organization…even towards its most dedicated adherents.

          Debbie Cook spent almost 30 years working for Scientology, much of it in charge of its largest organization -The Flag Land Base. When Debbie left and shared an opinion in an email about the church – she was sued by the church.

          Here is a very brief part of her sworn testimony in open court.

          This is Scientology, unvarnished and without apology…or apologists.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Htn1PauZUYs

          • MarcabExpat

            Today is a good day to post this. For any newcomers who are here to find out what the deal is with Jim Carrey’s dead Scientologist girlfriend, this organization’s cruel practices have driven a number of people to despair.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Very well said!

        “Marty is working from the Scientology PR playbook. Even if he is not in
        the employ of the church and even if he has not arrived at some private
        agreement with the church that compels him to attack those that are
        effectively blowing the whistle on Scientology, Marty is behaving the
        same way the Scientology PR machine behaves. He apparently has no other
        model to follow.”

        Exactly so! Whatever his reasons for doing so, and whoever he may or may not be in league with, the effect is the same: The purposeful attempt to exacerbate division, fan conflicts and attack individuals rather than their arguments and ideas. The only one benefited by that is lil davey + evil minions, regardless of whether all this is being done to purposefully aid the cherch or is just the unintended consequence of giving vent to rage and the desire to seek vengeance.

        Personally speaking, I don’t mind wading into an ad hom butcher shop and drawing attention to the bogus argumentation strategies that are being used there, but I draw the line at participating in internet forums in which folks who question or disagree with the party line are banned or censored, which is exactly what Marty has done to approx. half of my posts to his blog in the last couple of weeks. And a number of others here have mentioned that has been there experience as well.

        Worse still, he’ll put up a poorly argued, fact-lite hit piece, like his most recent attempt to slander Chris Shelton, then sit back and refuse to answer any questions that attempt to clarify his meaning or engage him in civil debate with those who hold opposite views. Instead, even if you’re not summarily censored first, you just end up in a discussion with his house proxies who interpret his remarks and respond to your points as if they were speaking for him.

        All in all, that’s no way to run an honest blog or move the discussion “on up a little higher” Indeed, right about now it appears that the exact opposite is the purposeful goal there.

      • Spike Robinson

        I was just called out over there for my “Scandal of Ex-Scientology” blog, as “insulting” to ex-Scientologists. Leaving aside that I was discussing behaviors and NOT naming anyone, and that my point was that the people exhibiting these behaviors are still good people that I’m proud to call my friends (well, most of them), it’s strange to be called out as “insulting ex-Scientologists” by two people currently singing the praises of someone who has slung more insults at the ex-Scientology/Scientology Critic community than all of OSA put together.

        But I still feel that Marty is more to be pitied than censured; he is pushing all those who were his friends away, slinging insults right and left and imagining enemies everywhere. Marty, if you see this, there are still those who love you and remember how brave you were to leave. Please stop seeing us as enemies, and PLEASE stop throwing around the insults. It’s not doing you any good, and it’s even hurting you.

        No one wins when the mud starts flying. Jon is adamant that he shall not engage in this fight, and I’m with him. Anyone who speaks out about the abuses of the CO$ is doing good.

    • Mockingbird

      That sounds too scary for me…

  • Libertylover

    Another shocking story of distortion, perfidy and criminal mendacity, revolving around COS.
    The lawyer is an aggressive asshat, attempting trial in the court of public opinion.
    The suit doesn’t look very promising, looks like he miscalculated.

  • LongtimeLurker

    This guy is about to go through hell…

    “Dr. Mark Burton, Psychologist, Portland, Oregon.”

    • Kestrel

      Oh, the irony.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I know!

        God, I’m tempted to ring him.

        “Listen doc, just a heads up, there’s this group of people who think psychiatrists are evil creatures from a planet called Farsec…hang on it gets better…”

        • MarcabExpat

          You really, really should. It would be an act of humanity.

          ETA: PORTLAND. Good god.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Ikr?

        • ThetaBara

          If you do, please report back!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Of course.

  • flyonthewall

    hey did anyone mention that on the cover of Steve’s book Tony has a quote? f5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da0bfd1dedc8d97e64b7b58b1764c514ed54592df676d2796e69fea201144167.jpg

    • Jimmy3

      Holy shit Steve Cannane wrote a book?

      • flyonthewall

        yeah I just happened to see it in the discount bin at Walmart. Pretty cool right?

    • LongtimeLurker

      Tony who?

    • Rasha

      “Fair Game: The 1932 All England Badminton Championship Game between Ralph Nichols and Raymond White” The only game played fairly that season in which the….uh, the….. oh. Sorry. Wrong game.

      …It was fair, though….

      Ooooh! Tony O. quote! ….he plays badminton?

  • LongtimeLurker

    A wild Lurker appears!

    Checkin’ out for a few hours. Don’t have too much fun without me and if you do, don’t name it after me.

    ++++++

    RIP Cathriona.

    • Jimmy3

      The “Longtime Lurker” is illegal in 38 states.

  • Tony Ortega

    Bonus evening post coming in a few minutes.

    • Rasha

      OMAGARSH

    • flyonthewall

      I assumed the discussions I had with you about my love life would be confidential. I am disappoint

      • sizzle8

        All those pupa out of wedlock….tsk, tsk!

  • A hot shit story full of the celebs you love Tony …. Milk It Milk It Milk It!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Tell us again about how you’re an Emmy-winning Disney animator and that’s why everyone should only listen to you about Scientology.

      Or was it because you took some photos of some fence spikes that one time?

    • JaxNGold

      He’s “milking it” it by reporting the story? Umm, ok.

      • whoever

        Well, it’s not as if the Church of Scientology is so celebrity-oriented it has special celebrity centers, or anything like that! Oh, wait…hang on…(what? really?)…Oops! Never mind!

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST IS UP

  • Out and about

    Going after deep pockets to get money for the friggin bridge to nowhere. These ethical superior beings make me sick!

  • Out and about

    Killed herself while on the Survival Rundown?

  • Gus_Cox

    Funny, as soon as I saw her “husband” was suing, I thought there would be a fucking IAS reg behind it.

  • xstratusx

    This is so sad, and quite unbelievable that someone as beautiful as Cat couldn’t find someone to marry her for real. I guess she was holding out for a Hollywood type, but couldn’t quite seal the deal. But it’s been obvious from the get go that Mark is being manipulated by the church to file this lawsuit. The church never lets anyone go, without getting their pound of flesh. There is probably an agreement that Michael takes on the case pro bono, with the promise that a big chunk goes to the church afterwards. It’s clear as day what is going on here. I hope Jim fights this tooth and nail.