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Meet the young Hollywood types who introduced Cathriona White to Scientology

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In 2009, Cathriona White moved from Ireland to California. That same year, this photograph was taken. It was posted by celebrity photographer Joshua Shultz, who is sitting at the right. Next to him is a small-time actor named Tyler Hynes (in the red cap). Next to him is a man who is labeled “shmayle,” then actress Erika Christensen, Tama Leia (McCormick) Stewart, and Tama’s husband, Taylor Newton Stewart.

They are young Scientologists, and soon most of them will become part of Cat White’s life.

Cathriona is famous now because on Monday she was discovered dead, apparently at her own hand, four days after her boyfriend, comedian Jim Carrey, reportedly broke up with her. On Wednesday morning, we broke the news that Cathriona — known as “Cat” to her friends — had been a Scientologist, and that Carrey was aware of that fact.

We found that surprising because Carrey had openly mocked Scientology in years past. The church likely considered Carrey “PTS” — a “potential trouble source” or even an “SP” — a “suppressive person” — and it seemed unusual that he would date someone in Scientology, and that Scientology would allow it to happen.

On Thursday, we reported another finding — that when she had done Scientology’s “Purification Rundown,” and then had started in on her “objectives” in a course known as the “Survival Rundown,” Cat had been paired with actor and professional poker player Travis Case, who became her Scientology “twin.” Our sources told us that Cat had stalled on the Survival Rundown in the last six months or so. We don’t know why she struggled with the course. Case did not respond to a message we left him.

In this article, we’re going to look at the beginning of Cat’s Scientology involvement and the people she met who encouraged her to start courses.

Previously, we said that our sources — friends of Cathriona — had told us that Cat had been introduced to Scientology by people in musician Beck’s social circle. Researching the actual people Cat befriended and talking with our sources further, we find that the situation was both less definite and more complex.

Unlike Scientology’s more well known celebrities — Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley — who were recruited by the church in the 1970s and 1980s, Scientology’s young celebrities today tend to have grown up in the organization. And many of them form a large, loose social group that includes Beck but also the Masterson clan, the Ribisis, as well as Jason Lee, and Erika Christensen.

In 2003, for example, when a young artist and Scientologist named Tiber McCormick had a joint art show with a fellow church member named Cyril Helnwein, the show was hosted by Christopher and Danny Masterson at Jason’s Lee’s loft, and photographs show that Laura Prepon also made the scene. (We’ve written about Helnwein before, and his famous father.)

For years, Scientology has recruited young aspiring actors and other creatives wanting to break into Hollywood by holding out the prospect of becoming part of such an in-crowd. In 1955, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard first announced “Project Celebrity,” and offered a bounty to church members who could bring in famous actors and other artists. Ever since then, Scientology has played on the hopes of young Hollywood types and catered to them with its “Celebrity Centres.” As author Lawrence Wright has explained, one of the things that makes the Celebrity Centres so appealing is that any Scientologist can take courses there and feel like a big shot.

And it was in 2010 or 2011 that Cathriona White, trying to make her own foray into the entertainment industry, began taking courses at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre.

Our sources say that the people who encouraged her were actor Tyler Hynes, artist Tiber McCormick, and actress Jenny Burpee. McCormick’s sister, Tama Leia Stewart, was also an influence, as well as photographer Joshua Shultz.

 
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[Tiber McCormick and Tyler Hynes]

 
Cat dated Tiber McCormick, our sources tell us, and through him met Beck. McCormick’s sister Tama and her husband, Taylor Newton Stewart of the film scoring duo The Newton Brothers, also had some connection to Beck, our sources say, but we’ve been unable to find such a connection online.

Cathriona also dated Hynes, our sources say, but it was Jenny Burpee who appeared to remain a presence in Cat’s life for a longer time.

 
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Burpee, 32, has appeared in four films. Her credits include “Woman in bed,” “Girl on TV,” “Party girl,” and “Hot-tub girl.” She has also appeared on the stage, as an assistant to illusionist Joseph Reohm. About a year ago, Reohm performed a show at the Queen Mary in Long Beach, California with three stage assistants — two of whom were Jenny Burpee and Cathriona White…

 
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We left a phone message and emailed Burpee. We’ll let you know if she gets back to us. Burpee is active in Scientology’s “The Way to Happiness” Foundation, and has marched with the foundation’s float in the Hollywood Christmas Parade, among other activities and fundraisers. Nora Crest says that she remembers Burpee serving a stint in Scientology’s Sea Org, the hard-core inner elite who sign billion-year contracts and work 112-hour weeks at pennies an hour.

Burpee’s connection to Cat and another friend was so tight, at one point the three of them got “X” tattoos made up of crossed arrows on their necks…

 
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But Cathriona later regretted it, and just weeks ago was going through a lengthy process to have the tattoo removed…

 
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Although she didn’t like the tattoo, Cat’s friendship with Jenny was apparently unaffected. Jenny posted this photo around the same time Cat was getting her tattoo removed…

 
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And it was Jenny who discovered Cat’s body on Monday after she noticed that her texts to Cat weren’t being answered. Jenny is now getting publicity as the “best friend” who took Cat under her wing — but without any mention that becoming part of Jenny’s circle included the Hollywood Celebrity Centre.

The other member of the group, Joshua Shultz, is becoming known as something of an in-house Scientology portrait photographer…

 
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[Josh Shultz with Scientology celebrities Erika Christensen, Kerri Kasem, and Michelle Stafford]

 
A few months ago, Shultz included Cathriona in a shoot for a Bellus magazine spread that featured David Hasselhoff…

 
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Shultz also appeared numerous times in photos on Cat’s Instagram account. We called Shultz, explained who we were and why we were calling, and he said “goodbye” and hung up.

Shortly after Cathriona arrived in California in 2009, she began taking acting classes. But she had more success doing make-up for a few small productions through 2013. In 2012, in one of her last credited jobs as a make-up artist, she worked on a short film titled Firefly. It was co-written and directed by Tyler Hynes, who was also its lead actor. Joshua Shultz was one of the producers, the soundtrack was by the Newton Brothers, and Jenny Burpee was the production coordinator. (Christopher and Danny Masterson made the premiere, along with Erika Christensen and Jason Dohring.)

Cathriona, in other words, had found her way into a working group of young Scientologists in Hollywood trying to get more famous. But also that year, she met and began dating Jim Carrey. Suddenly, she had found a portal into another world.

As we reported on Wednesday, our sources told us that Carrey was aware of Cathriona’s involvement in Scientology. Mike Rinder, Scientology’s former spokesman, tells us that there’s little question that Scientology would hear about the relationship and then call Cat down for questioning about it.

The relationship was reportedly not a very stable one, and the couple broke up about five months later. They started dating again earlier this year. Both Cathriona White and Jim Carrey had histories of depression. White’s mother Brigid also battled depression in her life. Did Cat get proper care for it? Scientology demonizes the psychiatric industry and anti-depressant drugs in particular.

EOnline is reporting that it talked to a friend of Cathriona’s who says that Scientology was a big part of Cat’s life, and that it was an issue between her and Carrey: “She was very involved and Jim wasn’t so sure about the whole thing.” Cathriona “really wanted to marry Jim. It was a point of contention between them. He wasn’t sure if he wanted to get married and the role that Scientology was playing in her life.”

Scientology itself has accused us of “bigotry” for even reporting on this story, and claimed that no one would be curious whether someone who committed suicide had been reading the Bible.

That’s an interesting comparison, because Scientology itself does have a Bible of sorts. It’s Dianetics, the book that founder L. Ron Hubbard wrote in 1950 and to this day is still pushed by church members as “Book One” and the start of their movement.

Dianetics has a subtitle. It is “The Modern Science of Mental Health.” In fact, the entire basis of Dianetics, and Scientology, is that Hubbard was the first person in history to discover the true nature of the human mind, and then developed the only reliable processes for good mental health. In order to get newer members to commit to Scientology’s ideas about mental health, it puts them through grueling courses that are more like hazing rituals. Remembering her ordeal on the Purification Rundown, a regimen of five-hour days in a sauna and ingesting dangerous levels of niacin and other vitamins, Cathriona used the hashtags #run #sweat #puke #repeat #day29icantfeelmylegs.

 
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In the last photograph Cathriona posted to her Instagram account, after her breakup with Carrey but before she killed herself, she included the hashtags #endless #search and #californiadreaming.

 
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Cathriona had gone to California with a dream, but instead got caught up in one of its oddest products, the Scientology movement, and then found herself on a huge stage as the companion of Jim Carrey. Sadly, it left her feeling that she was still in an endless search for something she could never find.

 
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Jeffrey Augustine interviews Aaron Smith-Levin

A summary from Jeff: “What is the ‘Clear Cognition’ and why is it so confidential in the Church of Scientology? In this wide-ranging podcast, former Sea Org member Aaron Smith-Levin discusses Scientology’s controversial Freeloader bills, the confidential Clear Cognition, and the fact that all Scientologists are taught to unquestionably believe that L. Ron Hubbard was the reincarnation of Buddha come back to finish his work. This podcast has two companion documents: 1. Aaron and his wife’s Freeloader Bill totaling $129,344.27 itemized on an Excel spreadsheet. This documents offers a fascinating look at some of the odd courses for which the Church charges Sea Org members. Examples: $500 each for the Sea Org etiquette course and the Sea Org grooming course. 2. Aaron’s petition to reduce his wife’s Freeloader Debt by deducting Non-Bridge courses.”

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Fellow Ukrainians! We are scholars from the future and we will teach you how to use a dictionary!

 
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Hey, girl. Denver can be lonely without some L. Ron Hubbard to curl up to.

 
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Time for the Australian Football League’s championship — and Scientology was ready! Did you pick up a booklet?

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Steve Cannane and Bryan Seymour)

Oct 25: Melbourne, venue secured (announcement coming later)

Oct 28: Adelaide, Wheatsheaf Hotel, (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 4, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

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Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Sid

    Great interview by Jeffrey Augustine with Aaron Smith-Levin. Both give a lot of clarity and perspective to life in Scientology.

  • chukicita

    Four months ago:

    • Observer

      #partyinourpants

      Classy.

  • MaxSpaceman

    L R H ‘was’ Buddha.

    Period. Aaron, in the 44th minute of ‘Surviving Scientology’ — growing up in $cientology, you are absolutely taught that Lafayette Ron Hubbard, Sr. ‘was indeed’ Buddha.

    O m g. There’s ‘always’ something more. What ‘certainty’ is ‘smashed’ into Scilons thinking by their cherch and cherch membership.

    Beyond belief. (almost. for me.)

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I always thought that explained his belly.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    OT but – Leah! Interviewed by ABC about her experience with $cientology. Will air on 20/20 October 30 at 10:00 pm ET., also on “all ABC News Programs and Platforms”… http://abcnews.go.com/Press_Release/leah-remini-speaks-exclusively-abc-news-experience-church/story?id=34009807

    • salin

      I am almost looking forward to the pre-publishing/availability publicity almost as much as I am to the book.

    • ze moo

      I am looking for appearances on the Daily Show, the View, and some, if not all of the late night talk shows. The clampire will have dig extra deep to bury their heads from this.

  • Sid

    Does anyone know if this girl Jenny Burpee is from Canada. If so was her mom Debbie Burpee, who worked for the Guardians Office and was part of the investigation by the police that resulted in the Church of Scientology Canada being convicted.

    • Jimmy3

      What are the odds that there is more than one “Burpee” family involved in Scientology?

      • Sid

        Okay, but there are 10 million plus Scientologists aren’t there?

        • Jimmy3

          It’s the fastest *hic* growing religion in the… *hic* world.

          • Sid

            Bottoms up and vertical,,, or something like that.

            • Jimmy3

              Cheers. *hic*

            • Mockingbird

              Another Travolta joke…

            • Sid

              Ha! Didn’t think of that. I don’t usually make jokes about him like that though. Not purposely. In a crowded room of men and women he made a beeline for my wife for a hug and a kiss. He does seem to like women. I haven’t personally observed otherwise.

            • Observer

              Maybe it’s a special “I Like Women” drill.

        • salin

          x 64 by 2016 *cough* *con* *cough.*

      • madame duran

        I just like saying the name “Burpee”. *loudly burps* Yes, I can be childish at times.

        I’m seriously considering the idea of compiling a list of weird/ironic surnames found in cults. It’s an occurrence I’ve observed, mainly within Scientology, but elsewhere too. But I can be lazy at times too. Anyway, I’m mentally adding “Burpee” to the list along with “Slaughter”, “Parodi” (parody), and “Cheeseboro”. I kid you not. Those are real last names of Scientologists.

        *ETA: Almost forgot “Dick Sweatman”. Not a Scientologist but a local UK politician who attended a clam event and had nice stuff to say about the cult. Idiot. *

    • coonellie

      Sid, the screenshot posted by chukicita showing them both has the hashtags of Canada and Ireland, so good chance

      • Sid

        So mom was GO, and Jenny was monitoring the cameras at Cathriona’s place. See, family is a strong bond in Scientology.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Her FB page says she’s from Ottawa.

    • There’s a Tom Burpee on the board of directors of The Way To Happiness Foundation International.

      Category:The Way to Happiness

      • here’s a pic of her as a kid showing her siblings if this helps

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      Do they have gas?

  • Just as a side note, it’s interesting and rather telling that so many of these Hollywood scientologists were born into it, were in the sea org for years, but ended up leaving SO. What’s up with that? Hmm.

    • Miss Tia

      that is an interesting point…..

    • Mockingbird

      I can tel you in my opinion about 90 percent of Sea Org members don’t make it a year . I think Nora Crest , Chris Shelton and Chuck Beatty are far more qualified to speak on this though.

      The Sea Org frankly sucks and if your family has money and you are young many people leave then pay a freeloader debt and do services as public.

      • Good points. I remember when I was still in and was on staff, first in mission and later in the org,
        feeling a bit aggravated at times about some whales and celebs not being on staff or in the SO,
        because as a scientologist this is the best thing one can do, blah, blah. Heh, even most of the OTVIII’s are public. One of the early red flags I’ve seen.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I think there is a distinct and not usually appreciated difference between those born into Scientology (or brought in as children by their parents) and those who came into it by being manipulated into it by the personality test and ruin finding pressures.

      Children learn it by osmosis and later on courses and auditing. But frequently they don’t have the view that Scientology saved their life or has the answers they were looking for. It wasn’t the answer to depression or other deep mental issues. It was just their everyday life.

      So I think the betrayal doesn’t feel as acute, unless it comes from the inhumane and monstrous treatments in the Sea Org like forced abortion or RPF.

      It is just my conjecture to the puzzle why many second generation Scientologists seem as if can pick up and move on with their lives after leaving Scientology more easily than those who fell for it as adults.

  • Allie

    Go Pack! 14-3 so far πŸ™‚

    • SP Wogsy

      I’m a niner fan..but took GB…very obvious : )

  • ze moo

    Late in the day for my shoop, but it just called to me. F5

  • Observer

    OT: the tree is coming along nicely. I’ll have to try the vertical shot again in the morning when the light is on the leaves.

    F5

    • Sid

      Nice. I miss that.

    • Robert Eckert

      In Michigan we still got nothin’

    • Juicer77

      Pretty! Great colors…

  • beauty for ashes

    turn your gray heart pink
    Click the heart
    It’s right under the number of comments
    Photo by Beauty enhanced greatly by Nat<3 F5

    • Miss Tia

      Thank you for posting the reminder!! πŸ™‚

    • Jimmy3

      I clicked it. Now what?

      • beauty for ashes

        Give yourself a little pat on the back. And say good job πŸ™‚

  • ze moo

    I took the Bills over the Giants. Time to pay up. Freekin Bills….

    • jazzlover

      Feelin’ Rexy yet? LOL

      • ze moo

        I was never impressed with Rex, like too many other coaches, he is just a public relations mascot.

        • Jimmy3

          But his dad was Buddy Ryan, the coordinator of teh greatest defense of all time. So he must be good.

        • jazzlover

          He wore out his welcome here within 3 years. Eventually it all becomes about him, which includes being a PR mascot as you say.

    • SP Wogsy

      I took the Giants…giving Manning another chance…

  • nottrue
    • MostEthicalPimp

      I know someone was saying that a lot of this group had been in the SO. Can anyone confirm if she was in the SO? Because that would make that comment even more twisted!

    • Observer

      Why would you try to foist something off on a 16-year-old kid that you found unendurable, Jenny?

      • Kestrel

        Brownie points?

        • Observer

          Scientology: they make the able into treacherous wretches.

        • Jimmy3

          πŸ™

          • Kestrel

            Sorry, Jimmy3. Crappy way to lose a game. They showed a lot of heart.

            • Jimmy3

              They showed a lot of ass

  • outraged

    Very funny cartoon from Truthdig.com. Needed some humor after my girl just exploded at me and hubs.
    (‘Scuse me if it was posted before):

  • Observer

    Wait a minute … does it look to anyone else like Jenny has her hand in Cathriona’s pocket in this pic? She is a Scientologist.
    .

    • Jimmy3

      She was preparing for a role as a Scientologist. She got the gig.

      • outraged

        She is stealing Cat’s wallet! Good little clone.

  • Bob Crouch

    Two things are remarkable, although not in the least surprising, about this. First off, the “church” has not expressed any mourning of their “parishioner.” Nor have they extended any sympathy toward her parents and friends. Once the money dries up, you’re done.

    Second, their only concern is damage control. And boy are they touchy.

    The comparison between their outfit and Bible based religions is ludicrous. The Bible is readily available to all comers. You know the whole program before you decide whether it’s for you. You don’t learn many years and $$$ later that they’ve been holding out on what they REALLY believe.

    Nobody controls the Bible. Based on your belief, you can become Jewish, Catholic, Protestant and many other variants thereof. If you start your own Bible based religion, there won’t be squirrel busters or copyright lawyers after you.

    But most importantly, you don’t have to become a member of an authoritarian cult to practice Biblical beliefs. Nor do you have to listen to the words of one man and no other. Or turn control over your life over to a snitching culture. If you do so anyway, that’s on you. There were many better options that you decided to forego.

    This is where the comparison becomes not only inappropriate, but also entirety dishonest–standard “c”os procedure!

    • MostEthicalPimp

      If you want the Church to grieve for you it’s pretty simple. 1. Die with a lot of money. 2. Put in your will that Cof$ can only have the money if they have a memorial for you. etc.

      • Bob Crouch

        I’ve never heard of a scn memorial service. But I have no doubt that they can easily invent one–if the price is right!

    • Bible studies rarely involve an IV drip, just saying.

  • flyonthewall
    • A hot seller.

      • flyonthewall

        Right. He’s local to me though which is interesting. Former old timey SO in my backyard?

        • Ask him.

          • flyonthewall

            I thought about it but idk what I’d say. Hey, I have a borderline unhealthy fascination with a cult you use to be in, wanna meet up for coffee?

            • outraged

              I’ll ask him……let you know if he replies….

            • flyonthewall

              cool, thnx

            • outraged

              message sent! I asked if he was a former Scientologist. ANd I said that the books look very unusual.

              Thought this would cover someone who either loved or hated the cult.

            • flyonthewall

              smart. It doesn’t seem like something you’d buy in an org bookstore

            • outraged

              no it doesn’t. And this guy writes SO much about all the books. He must be a current or former Scifier.

            • “I have a borderline unhealthy fascination” …. wow that could so describe me.

            • FIFY . . . “that could so describe all of us.”

    • Thanks but for that kind of money I’d rather invest in a sure fire money maker. Maybe some Love Canal real estate.

    • outraged

      What is THe Master Checklist?
      Cannot believe this guy wants $8000 for buy it now.
      He does start at $1,00. right.

      edit: oops. Here is an explanation: I’ve never personally located any written record of, or reference to, the Master Checklist of Policies – but it is a list of circulated policies that governed [the members of] the Sea Organization. Entries contain title of policy, date of circulation, and to whom the policies were circulated. There are roughly 3000 policies documented. Printed in 1971.
      pic:

      • flyonthewall

        ikr, I can’t tell if it’s actual policies or just a summation/index of them. Kinda sounds like the latter though. Either way even $1500 is crazy

        • outraged

          Maybe he thinks this is the missing grail.

        • It’s garbage, just really old kind.

      • Observer

        I bet he’s hoping the cherch will shell out for them.

        • flyonthewall

          His best hope really, why would anyone else want them? Almost like they are the equivalent of OEC and Tech volumes. Weird *shrug*

          • outraged

            He is not selling anything else and is mostly a buyer. Maybe he found them in a garage sale. :/

          • MostEthicalPimp

            No this is far better. This should contain a list of all the policies even the secrete ones!

      • Suppressive Tomato

        I saw that on eBay. Would love to read it.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    The topic of death raises a curious question from me. What was done with LRH’s ashes?

    • anoni81b4u

      It would have made great cat litter!

    • They dumped them into the ocean.

      • Observer

        Aw, crap. I forgot to spit into the ocean when I was out there.

        • Kestrel

          No problem. I “took a break” in the ocean recently. I think that covers it for both of us.

          • Was it a Target 2?

            • Kestrel

              Nope. Processed Lager 6.

  • Lady Squash

    The question of who you are dating and whether they are for or against Scientology would not usually come up for someone on the Purif or Survival Rundown. However, Cat’s SCN friends would have brought it to the attention of an Ethics Officer. Carrey and a Scientologist; that would have been big. The Church would probably have told Cat that if she married him, she would not be allowed on her OT Levels. They would have tried to scare her and would have demonized Carrey. For someone in love, young and vulnerable that would have seemed like a Sophie’s Choice. I can not think of words strong enough to describe my feelings toward that organization.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Actually, I can’t recall if I was asked before starting the Purif. But I was given a mini Sec check(It has some other name rudiments check) before starting TRs and Objectives. (old name for less intense SRD) Anyway, I was specifically asked about what was happening on how things were going on my 2D and if I knew anyone opposed to Scientology.

      • anoni81b4u

        Did they ever ask you about pimping?

        • MostEthicalPimp

          luckily not!

      • Lady Squash

        Good Lord!!! Things have gotten a lot worse since my day. But then I never did the SRD. Last service I did was KTL and LOC. No sec checks, not even mini ones. Well, I was on Solo, no sec checks there either. God, they gone Kamikaze. They must be desperate!!!

  • EnthralledObserver

    Bryan is going to Sydney!!!!!!!! πŸ™‚ Made my day.

    • Ella Raitch

      And Steve Cannane too – I want pix EO

      • EnthralledObserver

        I know… Sydney got the two-fer… πŸ™‚ And Xenophon. omg… I haven’t got flights yet… Shit. Better just bite the bullet and pay for them. We were supposed to sit down and do it two nights ago and organise it all… but… well… procrastinate.

        • Tony Ortega

          Sen. Xenophon had a scheduling conflict and won’t be at the Sydney event. But he is going to be in Adelaide, and he might be in Perth.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Oh no… dammit! Ah well… politicians eh?

          • Ella Raitch

            Woohoo!!!!

            Xeno is my homeboy!!

          • Eleventy

            When is the Melbourne venue going to be announced? I’d like to book a hotel near the venue. Otherwise I’d just get home and have to turn around and go to work. I could hazard a guess where it might be, but I could be very wrong.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Last minute means more expensive… my flights have gone up since I looked last week. πŸ™ Still haven’t bought them.

            • Eleventy

              Exactly. And if Melbourne is where I think it could be, that’s going to be expensive anyway. I’d like to keep the cost down.

    • madame duran

      How could he pass up on this event? Seriously, think about it. This news doesn’t surprise me at all. He posed with Ortega’s book so why would be miss out on meeting the author himself? Whether he’s coming as a reporter, an interested local citizen or as one of the moderators/panelists, I expected him to be there. THIS IS NOT LIKE THE TOM CRUISE SITUATION. *laughs* I don’t think Tony even had to ask him. At the most, Bryan had a talk with his boss/assignment editor, maybe with his wife about rearranging the schedule a bit to accommodate the event. That’s it. Steve Canane going to be there too? Awesome. Should be a good night for everyone in attendance…and a bad one for any Scientologist thinking they could overwhelm the crowd with their Tone 40 delivery of theta. I’m excited and I live nowhere near Australia (been notifying various friends from Down Under to attend one of the book tour stops, though).

      • EnthralledObserver

        Oh, yeah… I know what you’re saying… but I was afraid he’d choose one of the other events in Australia to meet up… and skip Sydney.
        I crossed my fingers… it worked. I can barely afford to go to Sydney, the other venues are just too far and therefore too expensive, so I am stoked.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          You must be goatee to get him there with your SP powers!

  • sugarplumfairy

    Soooooo sad.. Cathriona was going through the lengthy (and painful) process of having her tattoo removed.. Not, I’d think, something a person considering ending it all would worry about.. I mean, if you’re going to dump your meat body, who cares if it has a tat?

    So what f*cked up way of thinking made her decide to do this awful, final, very scary thing? No one will ever convince me it wasn’t f*cked up scientology..

    • Kestrel

      Maybe she wanted to remove a reminder of that friendship. Just a speculation on my part.

      • sugarplumfairy

        I’m sure.. But if you’re considering killing yourself, it doesn’t seem to me that more pain would be on my to do list.. Which makes me believe she wasn’t considering killing herself.. At least not until nearer the time she did it..

        • daisy

          I agree, I thought the exact same thing. Anybody expert in determining whether one was suicidal or not, would view erasing a tattoo as long term planning

          • sugarplumfairy

            Exactly..

          • MostEthicalPimp

            We don’t know her. She could have been maniac-depressive and had the tattoo removed in a maniac phase. I’m just saying we don’t know her at all.

            • daisy

              I think it likely that it would have been explained to her that it is not a I time procedure. It takes several visits to erase them, thus making plans for a future she is planning on . It is a costly procedure, also making it likely that it was a thought out decision. She is more likely to have gotten the tattoo spontaneously, or in a manic state. No, I did not know her. Your scenario is plausible. I do know when determining , suicidal ideation, Dr.s determine future plans, which this is.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, but depression is a roller coaster…even depressed people can plan for the next few weeks or months (even years) as you secretly hope things will get better. She may have been in a good place when she decided to do that removal, but then had a down swing back to depression.

            • daisy

              Depression is not a roller coaster. Bi-polar depression is. I have also said that it was plausible, just unlikely for all the reasons I stated previously.

            • Frodis73

              I should have been more clear…it’s cyclical…you you do have ups and downs with depression at times, but they are very different from the kind that present with bi polar. I just don’t put much on the train of thought that says “but they were planning for the future because of xyz”. I know too many that were doing the same but then attempted or succeeded suicide.

            • daisy

              I am not a psychiatrist to be clear, so I am not out to change minds. Yes there are varying degrees of clinical depression. I am saying that when she made the appointment, showed up at the appointment and received the treatment at that appointment , she was planning for a future. What happened to derail her from having that future is pure speculation. I think what we have learned here, is that scientology may not have caused her depression but it sure didn’t help. I think most likely it was a factor in that depression. We will never know for sure.

            • Rasha

              There is a phase in depression wherein one takes time to organize, clean up, throw away, tie up loose ends, sever ties. It is not done with emotion, just the opposite. It’s sort of like preparing beforehand for a quiet step out of the picture. One does not want a scene, but one does not wish to leave the books unbalanced.

              Imagine the effect on such a mind when the hounds of Scientology, rabid and unrelenting, unthinking, demanding, constantly press upon that mind that they have to do this or that. Over and over and over. And they just can’t. To highlight the wisdom of their founder, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard:

              “We’d rather have you dead than incapable.”

              Thanks, Ron.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              “We’d rather have you dead than incapable.”
              Think about if more places applied that policy gem. Football, collages, etc. Probably the only place that policy gem has any use is in the armed forces.

            • Rasha

              It can be paraphrased more clearly as: “There are scenarios, chosen by us, in which you being dead is preferable to us.”

              sign me up

            • daisy

              I agree with you, I also believe that many people tie up loose end, the fact that she used pills make it likely that it was planned at one point in time. I think getting a tattoo removed is not a loose end, it is a long painful procedure. She would have simply cancelled the appt. if she wasn’t future directed at that time. A person prone to depression, or in fact depressed is more likely to be pushed by outside stresses, a break-up, a ridiculous scientology program and availability of pils were all but a loaded gun for a fragile mind. She had a reluctance to go outside of scientology to seek the proper treatment .She may have not even realized there was treatment. This girls fate was sealed. Unfortunately Scientology couldn’t help her with that.

            • daisy

              Frodis It has come to my attention that maybe I had offended others ( I thought maybe you, if I am wrong ignore) with this line of debate. You may not know this but I have mentioned my personal history with depression. I have managed clinical depression for about 20 yrs complicated with benzo abuse. Over the years I have done extensive study on both, That said, I do not expect that everybody adopt my line of thinking in any post. I am just putting it out there, like everybody else. I have lost 3 close people to suicide, so I know how it feels. I was arguing the future planned argument. If you were looking for support and not a debate, I did not realize it. If you read my posts that entire day , you would know I sympathized. If you would like to know me personally, feel free to ask me anything. If you are a member of the –I hate daisy club–feel free to ignore my posts. I am not everybody*s cup of tea, and I understand that. I do not set out to offend anyone, but it happens. Also feel free to share this post if you would like, I just don’t like to crowd out the main post with personal issues.

            • Frodis73

              I also have been dealing with clinical depression for 20+years and have been on many drugs on and off for years, including benzos for anxiety, ptsd type stuff. Like you, I have also lost people (including family) to suicide. I wasn’t arguing exactly, but wanted to put it out there that in my experience, I do NOT buy into the ‘they were planning a wedding, x-mas party, whatever event so they could not have been suicidal argument.’ I honestly think a lot of people use that kind of thinking when they are in denial about a loved ones suicide. I personally feel it’s weak as proof of anything, as a lot of people (who are functioning) can hide their depression very well and nobody has a clue. Those are the folks that are barely holding on but *hoping* that somehow this too will pass and continue life as normal. I think there are a lot of people out there like that. I do not agree with your statement about depression not being a roller coaster either. It is and your emotions can be very different at different times. There are times when you do nothing but feel everything and cry. There are times when you feel nothing and are just “dead”. It is very much a roller coaster but it’s very different from bi polar mania. Depression is different for everybody in some ways and exactly the same in others.

            • daisy

              Thank you , I have been schooled. I so appreciate you sharing your story and experience. I do agree that everyone have different experiences. The field is relatively new and education is always ongoing. I am sure you, like me probably felt at one time to keep it hidden. I still struggle with that in my RL. This story has been so painful. It is wonderful to have a community to share that with. I was so surprized when I saw your picture because I thought you were so much older from your posts. You obviously have a old soul and wise beyond your years. I wish us both well in our daily struggles. I will look forward to your posts. It is comforting to have so many people sharing our pain. I was surprized and yet not the number of people who came out with depression stories..

            • daisy

              I forgot to tell you I have been drug and ETOH abuse for close to 20 yrs, but it amuses me to still pretend I drink virtuously . I have no idea why. If you can tell me let me know.

      • Robert Eckert

        It reminded me of the swastika tattoos the Manson girls cut into their foreheads.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Maybe, she wanted to be buried in a Jewish Cemetery.

      • anoni81b4u

        She is Irish. but a great guess πŸ™‚

        • MostEthicalPimp

          It was a “curb your enthusiasm” reference.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Do scientologists have cemeteries? Or, as with everything else like health care, etc., do they just glom onto the freebies provided by local communities..

        God forbid, they should actually contribute anything..

        • anoni81b4u

          they pay more taxes in Clearwater Fl than anybody… that’s what the crazy man yelled at Mike Rinder.

          • sugarplumfairy

            I’d bet anything that that is a big, fat lie..

            • They were #3 the last time I saw a ranking.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’d love to know if they’re up to date or delinquent..

          • Ella Raitch

            Certainly not property tax

        • MostEthicalPimp

          No, Scientologist are supposed to be cremated because that will prevent you as a thetan from hanging around the corpse to see what happens to it. Of course, now days I wonder if that doesn’t also serve a more sinister purpose.

          • EnthralledObserver

            *goosebumps*

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I think I’m going to rewrite my will to say I want my body frozen in glycol. Then whatever money I have left invested in the stock market until such a time that my estate can afford to have me ship off world to be dumped in a volcano!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Good plan… best of luck.

              I have a feeling that no matter what you’ll end up in the local cemetery in some form though lol. πŸ˜‰ Relatives can be greedy when you’re dead.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I’ll add a clause that gives all my relatives a shirt that reads: “My [relation] died and all I got was this tee shirt.”

            • EnthralledObserver

              Sounds like a bargain… that should work.

    • outraged

      Depression IS so fucked up. Cathriona died that particular day because she took a combination of pills that worked and NO ONE FUCKING CAME TO THE HOUSE TO CHECK ON HER. (sorry, Scientology just makes me SO angry.)

      Scientology is to depression as a match to a fire. Makes it explode. I cannot imagine a worse place for someone who believes at times there is no point to life, that no one loves me, that I am a pathetic mess of a person.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I was reading a magazine article at the docter’s about taurine levels being low in many people who suffer from depression, certain diabetics and other conditions. I felt it was a bit quaky but they did list all the research papers they referenced. And a quick look at google “depression taurine” does show some interesting results. And having a deficient certainly would explain heredity of depression. Also, I am not suggesting anyone go off their meds. So I guess I’m going to start drinking this milk: http://www.petsmart.com/gsi/webstore/WFS/PETNA-PETUS-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProduct-Start?SKU=36-5059441&utm_campaign=5059441&utm_source=googleproduct&mr:referralID=38b7b3f7-6af5-11e5-a012-005056947d48&gclid=COfcq4WFqsgCFU1rfgodObsK0g

        • Miss Tia

          Well if her electrolytes were off balance with the purif, and the other vitamins, etc they were giving her could have thrown her system out of whack. If you’re already prone to depression naturally, you could quickly go slip into with environmental factors (break up/scientology) and your body chemistry being messed with.

          Never heard about taurine levels affecting depression, but if something is off in your system, it can have a domino effect.

    • Juicer77

      Depression is a minute-by-minute battle. Caution: *pure speculation ahead* – if she was bipolar she would have manic swings (high energy and super optimistic periods) as well as the depressive ones. The human brain is a terrible and wonderful thing.

  • nottrue
    • EnthralledObserver

      So who is this Max Parker guy? $cientologist?

    • Miss Tia

      Maybe she wanted to have a private wedding? She IS press shy and if either parent was there it’d be a circus. Sort of like she eloped. I can’t blame her for that.

      • outraged

        I bet (hope) it is because Max is NOT drinking kool aide.
        Women’s Day says Nicole is THRILLED.
        Can;t imagine she would be so happy if Bella married another Kult member.

        • MCurie

          Nicole always warmly says kind,loving, and supportive things about her older children even if it involves scientology; that is a good mother. So I doubt she would convey dismay about Bella’s choice that could be publicly repeated.

    • daisy

      I have no idea about Tom ( who does except scientology doctrine) , but I believe Nicole would have been there is she were invited. Let us hope that new hubby, helps get her out and not the other way around.

    • outraged

      Yes!

      While the bride is a member of the Church of Scientology, and attends services regularly, the groom is not a member of the faith, and reportedly has not even met Tom. Nicole, meanwhile is said to be overjoyed at her daughters new union.

      http://www.awardnew.com/wheres-dad-tom-cruise-absent-from-wedding-of-daughter-with-nicole-kidman-as-she-marries-non-scientologist

    • Frodis73

      Maybe he can help get her away from the cult. While I understand her not wanting her wedding to be a circus, I still find it odd her dad (or brother) was not there. They have enough cash that they can keep it pretty quiet. I hope she’s drifting from her dad and the chult.

      • Juicer77

        She may have just chosen to do a friends-only, no messy which-parents-to-invite-who-can-deal-with-the-paparazzi issue. I can totally see that. ETA: just saw Tia’s comment below. Seconded.

    • TexasBroad

      I’m glad she was successful keeping her wedding private as was her wish and amazed it took almost 2 weeks to hit the news…the article says she married on Sept 18th. I am so hopeful this means she is breaking away from scientology. Even if she remains silent on the subject, it will add yet another item on the list of things reporters aren’t allowed to bring up at a Tom Cruise interview.

    • BosonStark

      Tom Cruise probably doesn’t know about it yet. He’s waiting for the rumor to be confirmed or denied by Karin Pouw, the spokescreature for his Church. Scientology surely would have screened this Max character, to make sure he has potential to believe in alien possession and body thetan removal.

    • Sid

      I wonder if disposable phones were used to maintain secrecy about the wedding.

    • outraged

      Just realized that the mag that broke the story, that has the coveted photos, is an AUSTRALIAN Women’s Day. Which must mean these photos came from Nicole’s camp.

      Bella looks VERY happy. She must be out of the cult::

      • Tony Ortega

        Not necessarily. If it’s Chris White who broke the story for Woman’s Day, he works out of LA, and told me about the wedding more than a week ago (and swore me to secrecy). Chris has been keeping a close eye on Bella for more than a year, through his London contacts.

        I’ve supplied stories to Woman’s Day myself. Just because it’s an Australian magazine doesn’t mean that’s where the stories are written.

        • Tony Ortega

          Also, I still haven’t seen any evidence that she’s left Scientology, even if Parker is not in.

        • cedilla

          Discernment at work.

      • FollowTheMoney

        Wonder how long the marriage between Princess Freedom Medal of Valour and a wog will be allowed to last?

      • Juicer77

        I hope Nicole was there. She looks very happy. Perhaps marriage to a non-$ci will help expand her outlook?

    • madame duran

      Does Max Parker live under a rock? Does have any idea what he’s stepping into with this marriage? Why would a non-Scientologist get married to a (assumed) Scientologist (and why would a Scientologist seek out a non-believer as a spouse except to convert him/her?)? I’m sorry…but I can’t muster up any “congrats” to two fools unless there’s a major story about Bella breaking away from the cult. I’m beginning to think that some people want drama/pain/death in their lives. More excitement, perhaps?
      This marriage is stupid.

  • Observer

    More OT: for those of you who were wondering about Mr Observer’s laser sparkle thingy, here he is illuminated by it. And stupid Disqus is going to post it sideways.

    • Miss Tia

      ooo nice!!

    • You guys are such cool weirdos.

      • Observer

        Thank you!

    • outraged

      looks so cool…is it really sideways?

      • Observer

        Not anymore!

        • Kestrel

          That would have been a huge hit back in the 70’s.

        • Beth

          Very very cool.

        • Sandy

          Is this inside your house?

          • Observer

            Yes

            • salin

              You are a patient lady.

    • anoni81b4u

      That’s a shit load of green body thetans!
      You might need to go to scientology and get those removed.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Wicked

  • anoni81b4u

    I thought this was a fitting quote for todays article.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      The only problem I have with this is that it means that all journalism has to be negative take-downs. What if reporting the truth could also mean writing about someone or some business entity that has done something positive? Does that mean the editor has to deep six that piece because it’s too namby pamby?

      • Mockingbird

        Not all public relations is evil or dishonest.

        • scottmercer

          No, some of it is bland, banal, unimportant and a complete waste of time and energy.

          • Mockingbird

            Yes !

  • Sunny Sands

    T-shirt for sale at cafepress F5.

    • anoni81b4u

      I almost posted that too … came up on e-bay … lol

    • Hubbard never had such hat. Bigotry.

      • Sunny Sands

        Ha, yes, their favorite word.

      • Dave In Ajax

        I wonder who is wearing the shirt……. must be a bitter apostate

        • Mockingbird

          Why are we always bitter ? Can’t we ever be easy going or sweet ?

  • Mockingbird

    I just found Ron Hubbard’s description.

    http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Fraud_Embodiment

  • Mockingbird

    I am surprised the Scientology terrorist mind control cult doesn’t use this description of ex members.

    Heresy Embodiment.
    The user can become the embodiment of heresy. The user who is totally dishonorable to their own faith or religion and embrace a darker path can become stronger to the strange and foreign powers. The user’s powers can grow stronger but may also become darker and more twisted. The user can embrace the dark powers of darkness and evil. End quote.

    From
    http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Heresy_Embodiment

    • MostEthicalPimp

      One of the more the interesting things is that the Catholic church was a totally cult in the modern sense of the word. And that was a huge factor in the dark ages.

      • Mockingbird

        Christianity and the Catholic church are both large enough to have cults within them. The entire church is not a cult. Cults are abusive and totalistic. Many Christians and Catholics are neither.

        The religious beliefs of people don’t make cults, abusive behavior fostering dependence based relationships does.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I was talking about the Catholic church of the dark ages. Not the current one. Tell me in what way it wasn’t a cult.

          • Jimmy3

            Because if you weren’t in it, or you weren’t paying it, you probably couldn’t read or write. So you didn’t know what a cult is.

            That’s why it wasn’t a cult.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              All of Europe was in it. And not being there on Sunday meant you better have a damn good excuse and heresy by anyone was punishable by death.

            • Jimmy3

              Right. And did any of those people call it a cult? No?

              Not a cult.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I got it if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck. And no one calls it a duck it’s not a duck!

            • Jimmy3

              Ducks are not cults. I’m glad we could come to an understanding.

            • outraged

              pretty sure a cult has to have a Chairman Of the Ducks.
              Someone who is the main quacker that everyone thinks is god.
              The Catholic Church of the dark ages had many quacking ducks.

          • Kim O’Brien

            it was a political system ..it was the law of the land ..it was woven into the country and how the society was framed . It was not an offshoot ..it was not an “alternative ” ..it WAS the state .

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I was talking about it in the modern sense of the word as in a religious movement that wants as near total control of it’s adherents as possible and enforces thought control.

            • Kim O’Brien

              yeah, i know …that is why you are wrong . It was not a movement …it was the actual state. Martin Luther came along ..Henry 8th started the Church of England ….THOSE were movements . The Catholic Church was not only the state ..it was the education system ..the health system , it was the judicial system . it was the ethics system , it was the agricultural system . It was not trying to control thoughts …that just makes no sense .

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I never said it was a movement though it did start as such. The Church of Scientology seeks to do all those things and would if given the chance. Narconon, ABLE, Rhodesia, etc. Farming? LRH did audit tomatos! Thought control in the dark age chocoholic church was a real thing look at how heretics were treated. Joanna of ark? Burned at the stake for heresy and she as just a famous example. That is thought control. People in the dark-ages knew the results of not stepping out of line. The inquisition is another example.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Okay, Should have thought about that other comment a little but I was leaving. Yes, I did call it a movement. It was much more. But even Communist Countries were cults. In the sense of a system of control of the thoughts of a large number of individuals. Now, I also want to point out that I’m a believer in that there was simply a lot of wolfs in sheep’s clothing and they manipulated a lot of the people who wanted to do good works but who could see what was actually happening.

            • Mockingbird

              In my opinion portions more closely resembled Christianity in a non totalistic form. Without abuse a group isn’t a cult. With very large groups unless they are like Scientology and designed to abuse and enslave intentionally then splintering and fracturing into many different groups is quite likely.

              Painting all a very large religion as entirely a cult is difficult. Scientology certainly is a cult but Christianity, Islam and other extremely large religions are often not. Portions certainly may be.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I wasn’t calling Christianity a cult. I was saying that the Catholic church of the dark ages was an abusive cult. (not everyone in it of course.) Witch Trials, Burning Heretics at the stake. The inquisition. Opposition to any views not inline with it’s teachings. Grabbing money and power wherever it could.

            • Mockingbird

              Well you certainly make a strong case. The middle ages version was not a tolerant loving bunch.

            • Robert Eckert

              So was Mormonism in the Brigham Young period.

    • That sounds like a great material for metal song. Thanks.

      • Mockingbird

        It does sound like metal lyrics.

  • Frodis73

    Family Guy is on and Stewie is being stalked by a baby Tom Cruise. I just turned in on now, so I don’t know the context. He had a black shirt on and was laughing maniacally though. It started late because of football, but I’m not sure how late. You people west of EST can try and catch it though.

    • Miss Tia

      If it’s a new episode, it’ll be here later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest. http://putlocker.is/watch-family-guy-tvshow-season-14-online-free-putlocker.html This is the site I watch South Park on now and they have the SP episodes on pretty much immediately after they air. I haven’t watched FG in a few years but I might have to check this episode out.

      • Dave In Ajax

        according to imdb it is a new episode originally aired tonight

        • Miss Tia

          Thanks!! It’ll be on the site I linked to later tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest.

          • Dave In Ajax

            also aired at 9 PST and midnight EST on fox

            • Miss Tia

              well, i’m sure i’m not the only person without the ability to watch tv channels (probably am)……i just watch the few new shows i like online on sites like i linked….there’s only like 2 shows i watch new episodes of….

            • Dave In Ajax

              well if your into torrents, its already available there πŸ™‚

            • Miss Tia

              i haven’t torrented in awhile….i don’t have a problem waiting a few hours πŸ™‚

      • Frodis73

        Thanks, I’d like to see the whole episode.

        • Miss Tia

          they have south park too….this season (3 episodes so far) is fucking brilliant!! they also have all the past seasons of south park—including ‘super best friends’ (based on scientology) and #200 & #201….those 3 aren’t online on ‘official’ places due to mohammad…..

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Quote from Tom Cruise:
      “In the middle of the word the ‘short’ is the word the ‘or.’ ‘or gives you a choice and I choose not to be short.”

      • daisy

        Too bad the measurement of height would disagree with that.

    • can’t wait…. actually I’ll, ahem, get this later tonight… here’s the blurb

      When the guys find Joe’s dad, Peter must pretend to be Joe when he learns Joe’s father hates handicapped people. Meanwhile, Stewie learns he will grow up to be only 5’1″.

      … one of these days I hope Macfarlane puts Miscavige into a skit

      pic

  • TexasBroad

    As a paralegal, I often worked with grieving parents. One lovely woman told me about a grief support website which included a section where families posted pictures of “natures hearts” – hearts in clouds, in rocks, in the spots on puppies – and she said she felt coming across one was a gift from her son she had lost and that it always gave her comfort. I can no longer remember the website, but whenever I come across one, I remember her and remember those I’ve lost as well.

    The articles over the last few days, while sad, have been exemplary. The commentary as well. All this by way of reminder — click the heart. F5

    • Kindness.

    • daisy

      I cannot remember the name of it, but Drew Barrymore put out a book with pictures of natural hearts a couple of years back.

      • romanesco

        There’s a delete feature now, to the right of your post, where the flag symbol is on other people’s posts. We usually use the ellipsis (…) to indicate there’s a pic.

    • daisy

      I cannot remember the name of it,but Drew Barrymore put out a book with pictures of natural hearts a couple of years back.

    • romanesco

    • Juicer77

      Bonus fuzziness: (f5)

  • Supper Powers

    For those of us who may have missed it, Chris has a new Q&A up.
    http://mncriticalthinking.com/author/skepticalseeker/

    • Jimmy3

      He never answers my question as to whether the Foot Clan is a cult or not.

      • Supper Powers

        He said he’s still doing research.

        • Jimmy3

          pffffttt.

      • Miss Tia

        Did you ask him who his favorite Disney Princess is?

        • Jimmy3

          No. But I should. I asked Tony and he asked if Pocahontas counts. She certainly does, and it’d be tough to beat that answer.

          • Miss Tia

            Can’t wait to find out Chris’ answer!! I think Tony’s reason for why that’s his favorite is what’s hard to beat!!

            • Frodis73

              I missed the reason why…can you tell us or is it a guarded secret?

            • Miss Tia

              Jimmy asked the question, I’ll let him answer (or not πŸ˜‰

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t remember hearing the explanation. I just assumed he thinks she is historically hot.

            • Miss Tia

              LOL!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              She’s always the hottest one in the parks giving autographs…..not that I’d have any first hand experience with such things.

            • Nat-leficent

              Why? Is it because she’s native?

      • I love his movie reviews too. I might watch The Martian.

        • Jimmy3

          I’m seeing it on Tuesday. Matinee price, yo.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Seen it twice already. I’m a dork. Go for 3D. It really makes the most of the Martian landscapes and space scenes.

        • Robert Eckert

          I was impressed with the degree of realism (OK, the final rescue sequence was a bit over the top, but the movie had earned it by that point). My only qualm was that Damon seemed to take the prolonged isolation a little too well: he should have had a volleyball to argue with or something.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I love the limp dicked lone downvoter on his video.
      For some odd reason it cracks me up imagining the scieno thinking it is a blow to critics and a win to add to his stats that week. πŸ™‚

  • cdubb

    I gotta think a lot of cos deaths go unreported.

    • Not only that, but the harm done by Scientology’s prohibition of medical treatment (especially psychiatric treatment) and medicinal drugs is cloaked by CofS paranoia and the victims who refuses to acknowledge it. Even when they do, the CofS will work hard to suppress this information.

      Consequently, there is no way to know the true extent of the harm done by Scientology’s doctrine, because nobody who is involved will cooperate with researchers. However, I suspect that suicides which come into the public eye because of a ‘celebrity’ connection are the tip of a very large iceberg indeed.

  • ron_burgundy8957

    On the ASL tape, my only issue with the shockingness of the CCRD revalation is that I’m not sure that there is really anything groundbreaking about it. Hubbard shifted from saying the environment controlled you in DMSMH in latter works that are not secret. The auditor should be looking for other signs than you just spewing the data.

  • Luke Martinelli

    Tiny Tom Cruise on latest episode of Family Guy is farking hilarious.

    • Ella Raitch

      Can’t wait to see a screen grab – and the shoops/memes to come

  • El Con Blubbard

    I hope Alex Gibney does another documentary along with Lawrence Wright on the how Scientology “helped” Cathriona White. Scientology is the 3rd party to everyone’s conflict within that cult…and has destroyed more relationships and marriages more than any other religion I have personally witnessed. This story needs to be blown up and distributed widely. Scientology is dangerous. Scientology KILLS!!

  • Jimmy3

    I’m out for the next couple of days, but I have an idea that could be a lot of fun. Basically, it is to watch crappy movies over Skype and make fun of them Mystery Science Theater style. You can join Skype with a throwaway email, and you don’t have to speak or appear on camera. You can just sit back and watch/listen, or you could join in. Dunno exactly when we will do this, but October is ripe for crappy horror movies. Just kinda gauging the interest at the moment. Let me know if that sounds like something you would be into.

    • Is that a honey trap?

      • Jimmy3

        No.

        • Good.

        • Jimmy3

          It’s for fun, and it would be private. Not everything is a Scientology mindfuck trap. There is joy outside of OSA paranoid. It’s something we’re going to do anyway, I just thought a few people on the Bunker would be interested. If you’re not, don’t respond.

          • I am sorry. Have a good time.

            • Jimmy3

              No. Youve spoiled all the honey in the trap. There is no more viable honey, and we’re all out of bees.

            • Story of my life. My bad.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      But where are you going Jimmy3?

    • Juicer77

      You rangggggggggg?????

  • If you ever wonder why $cientologists eventually go crazy, consider this comment from Chapter 5 of Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramhansa Yogananda, published in 1945: “Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an
    anesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues which in time deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another’s consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization.”

  • Lady Squash

    Cat left a suicide note addressed to Jim Carrey. Apparently he broke up with her 5 days before she OD’d. I wonder if the note mentions SCN. There may have been many reasons for the break-up but SCN would have to be somewhere in the mix. What a damn shame.

    • Tony Ortega

      He reportedly broke up with her on Thursday, and her body was discovered on Monday. But the time of death has not yet been determined. She might have killed herself any time between Thursday and Monday. As Jenny Burpee told one mag, she checked the closed-circuit security system (!) and didn’t see Cat come or go in the previous days. The implication is that she killed herself very soon after the breakup, but it took several days before Jenny discovered her.

      Not sure that any of it matters. Just trying to stay clear on it.

    • Kid Kat

      I’m skeptical as to whether Cat really wrote the note or if the note is part of the Co$ cover up.

  • on topic Enty blind item reveal

  • Jim Carrey, it’s not your fault.

    • SP Wogsy

      ; (

    • Frodis73

      That is so sad. He must feel so awful. Now there are idiots online saying he should be charged with murder because they were his pills. That’s the last thing he needs to read. I doubt he is reading, but if so, Jim, Dodo is right, it is NOT your fault.

      • romanesco

        I’ve seen these things before, and even if they know it’s not their fault, they can be haunted for a long time by the feeling that there was something they could have done.

      • Playing this song on repeat..

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JhsUFuqbCM

  • Baby

    Drive by.. Love you.. LIFE.. zoooooooom.. xo baby..

  • romanesco

    Family Guy was kind of retarded. The fathers are all sitting around drinking beer at the Drunken Clam discussing their ptoblems while Stewie gets picked up by Tom Cruise in a toddlers’ clothes shop fighting over a shirt. They go riding around town and Cruise bashes Matt Lauer’s mailbox with a baseball bat. They go dancing at a gay disco. Stewie finds out he’s not going to be short as an adult and tries to dump Cruise as a friend, but

    • Dave In Ajax

      agreed, seth is usually relentless and goes for the jugular, it had its moments, but all in all a weak effort

    • Juicer77

      Almost exactly like the James Woods episodes. Oh dear, have we jumped the shark?

  • Ella Raitch

    Still processing today’s post….but had a thought that Leah could easily wipe the floor with this bunch of wannabe posers. Can’t wait for your book Leah, and the ripples of panic it will create.

    Ugh. So disgusted by the lack of humanity in – as J Swift put it below – the Scientology CC ghetto.

    • Dave In Ajax

      my opinion (again) leah reminis book will outsell every book ever written about scientology, it will encourage sales to the other books, a good thing, but she is the first mainstream person to do so, watch the carnage

  • Jimmy3

    StarShower informercial on Channel 3!! Observer you gotta check this out! You need more than one!

    • Frodis73

      I want one of those for my room, but I wish it came in more colors-red and green. Blurgh! When I saw the pic she posted earlier that is what I thought she had.

  • another one to add to the clam brat-pack not shown above is Toven Stith….yep, the son of the Randall who’s currently attempting a documentary of Alex Gibney and bestie of Jenny Burpee

    2 pics

    • I remember when this video was first posted on this blog and Randall Stith and the comments came to the consensus that he was somewhat unwilling … more sort of dazed and confused. like he hadn’t slept for days…. https://youtu.be/TrLP-29eTzE

  • RBE
    • OOkpik

      Why can’t I see your post?

      • RBE

        Refresh? It’s a tweet.

        • OOkpik

          Did that…still no image. It seems to happen with most tweets.

          • RBE

            What are you using to view? PC, iPhone, etc? It may be a problem with your browser running javascript. Just did a quick search and I cannot see anyone else mentioning this type of problem.

            • OOkpik

              PC. I used to be able to get them. Perhaps installing Windows 10 made the difference? I don’t really understand Java script except that some consider it a security risk.Thanks for taking the time to help me out.

            • RBE

              I use a mixture of devices, Windows 8.1, Windows 10, Linux, Kindle Fire, etc. I have not run into this problem (yet). Disqus relies heavily on javascript to work, it could just be a quirk of Disqus.

            • OOkpik

              OK. Thanks again.

          • QbirdSP

            this happens to me too sometimes, OOkpik, in Disqus only re: tweets, even after a refresh or f5. But when I open a new tab in the bunker – I see the tweet. weird, i know.

  • Mymy88

    OFF TOPIC
    Hi Bunkerites. I’ve been gone for a few months because of carpal tunnel. I recently learned the probable root cause of that and some other issues I’ve been having, is likely polyacrylamide poisoning from my laptop coating. Unfortunately, it seems likely that I have a predisposition for sensitivity to this chemical, or more specifically, to the polyacrylamide monomer residue.

    It is a neurotoxin but fortunately, recovery is commonly very quick once you remove yourself from the source. It’s definitely true as far as i’m concerned. in only a few days, many of my symptoms that i have been struggling with for 2 years, were wonderfully and drastically reduced. i have a few more medical tests and then i will be sending the laptop company an irate letter and tell them they need to warn people about this, even if it is rare. personally, i don’t think laptop issues like this are rare. i believe the symptoms, which can be very weird, are often misinterpreted, and THAT is why it is difficult to get down to the bottom of the matter.

    CHANGE OF SUBJECT AND SOMEWHAT ON TOPIC

    anyway, i’d like to close by saying “FUCK YOU DAVID MISCARRIAGE – i wish you would have been one!”

    • Juicer77

      Yikes – neurotoxins! I’m glad you have found the reason for your CT and are feeling better! It will be interesting to see if any further scientific research and/or product changes go forward to help others.

      • Mymy88

        thank you juicer and yeah, it would also be interesting if someone could pay for the physical therapy i’ll continue to need for my extremely jacked up right thumb. the CT got very progressed there, and not surprisingly, that’s a typical scenario with this particular neurotoxin. the short recovery time won’t apply to my thumb because there is actual physical damage to the joint and muscles – it’s not just a matter of sensation issues or the beginning stages of carpal tunnel development. it’s gone way past that point. my left thumb was beginning to have the exact same stuff happening, so i’m glad that is nipped in the bud before any tissue damage was done on my left one.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I missed seeing that cute little doggie face. Get well!

      • Mymy88

        aww thanks. i miss you too!

    • OOkpik

      Welcome back.

      • Mymy88

        oh i love that doggie photo! lol!

    • B4you

      How on earth did you find the source to be the laptop? Did some testing with household items?

      • Mymy88

        bleh, it’s kind of a long boring story, but i became convinced when i learned about how and why you start having symptoms and there were some things i could do at home to show just how powerful the toxin can be and yep, then all the pieces began to fall into place.

        part of the weirdness was i could not fathom why certain things i had no problem picking up and holding (a toothbrush, tube of hand lotion, wet paper towels, gloves, paper, wet clothes, a plastic dog food bowl, bottle of aloe, inside door handle of my mother’s car. vitamin bottles, and many other things) i could not understand why sometimes even touching these things could be anything from painful to excruciating and other times no problem whatsoever. i chalked it up to some kind of problem with the nerves in my fingers, but i did not have a clue about why it was so erratic.

        to cut to the gist, turns out that almost all these items were something i kept on the desk that my laptop is on, and all were things i used frequently while on the laptop, or shortly afterward or in between, if i was multi tasking, and it boils down to it is a matter of the toxin being transferred from my laptop to my hands and then to these items. as an aside, there is something about water, like if my hands were a little wet or the item i was handling was wet and the toxin happened to be on my hands or the item or both, the pain would be much much worse. oh, also, in addition you have the carpal tunnel crap going on (that was also caused by the toxin) at the same time which can be confusing.

        anyway, there is more to it as far as explaining every scenario, but i’m just trying to put it in a nut shell. one good example would be i used hand lotion frequently while on the laptop. recently, i picked up the tube and held it a few seconds, and as i anticipated, it hurt where it came into contact with my skin.

        i then washed it thoroughly with soap and water and held it again, and there was no pain at all. so that got me to thinking and the more i thought about all the really weird stuff going on with me, especially in the last year or so, it all began to come together. so today i find out that the CDC wants to talk to me because they said they have a “special project” going on right now, concerning laptop toxicity and specifically laptops that have polyacrylamide coatings. so that’s where i am now. i think i’ll change my user name from Mymy88 to guineapig88.

        • B4you

          Sometimes the human body can be so sensitive to chemicals. I have this “drip-nose” thing with a flooring product. If i see a bottle of this neurotoxic stuff, my nose starts dripping πŸ™‚

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Tony says above that “White’s mother Brigid also battled depression in her life.” If mum she sought psychiatric help or took “psyche drugs” wouldn’t the CO$ have labeled her a PTS? Maybe the CO$ was trying to keep Cat away from PTS mum. One of the articles said that Cat didn’t return to home to Ireland (including her father’s funeral) and insinuated that it was because of her immigration status. That sounded dubious. Maybe she was supposed to stay away from her mum per the CO$ and that’s why she didn’t return. If she was going through a bad break-up w/Carrey AND was forbidden to contact her mum per CO$ AND was depressed and unable to seek psychiatric care due to CO$ beliefs the girl would be totally lost.

    • Juicer77

      Interesting speculation. As J Swift says, we may learn more as the weeks go by. What a mess this whole thing is.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Very, very sad. And I wouldn’t put anything past this “church”. What a nefarious bunch they are. Also without knowing any of the specifics, I feel especially bad for Jim Carrey. I hope he is getting support and proper treatment, if need be. As you say, what a mess. SMH

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Monday, 05 October 2015.

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Friday 2nd: SFBay scored a couple of hits
    Saturday 3rd: New York scored a couple.
    Sunday 4th: SFBay scores a couple and leads Sacramento

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Tenebris by Octobre Rouge enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14975359684/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    As Isabella Cruise begins her married life to a supposed wog and starts to consider what kind of a family life she sees for herself in the future, I hope she looks to her parents for examples. Nicole appears to have a marriage, surrounded by her loving & supportive husband, children (excluding the clams?) and large extended family. She has a successful and award winning career, yet doesn’t use it as an excuse to be “disconnected” from her children & relations. She appears to be private, respectful and respected by her peers.

    Tom on the other hand, has a string of broken marriages, a daughter he doesn’t see and familial relationships (step-father, niece, etc) apt to splinter at the very perception that they are not KSW. And even though his girlfriends now have to be pathetically auditioned by his church, he still can’t find a romantic relationship. His career has to rely mostly on sequels for box-office success. His reputation with the public is that of a crazy cultist with a creepy lovelife. When people aren’t laughing at him they are largely repelled by him. I hope Isabella realizes the very different futures that could await her and makes the right decisions from this point onward.

    • anoni81b4u

      She is a young lady with RICH parents.. and she married a non XENU cult member. I would say her life does not look that bad from knowing nothing else about her than that πŸ™‚

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I think Tom is the type of parent who would see to it that a child of his received nothing in his will, if they so much as looked at him wrong.

        • anoni81b4u

          That may well be true, but this young lady has two RICH parents .. and only one follows Xenu … I am guessing she is set for life either way .. so she married a non cult member … good for her !

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            I think if she spends her whole life in the CO$ she is set for life, all right, but not in a good way. I saw a commented on the story in the Daily Mail that she had a falling out with Tom & Connor because the church wanted her to disconnect from some SP and she refused. I doubt that, but I sure hope it’s true.

        • Juicer77

          Strange how he is so well liked by casual acquaintances and has rocky relationships with those closest to him. His only best friend, as far as I can tell, is a manipulative sociopath. Not sure what that says about TC.

      • Juicer77

        I see your point, but no amount of money in the world can take away the pain of separation from loved ones – parents, children, a marriage splitting up, etc. Truly, I’m not sure if money is a help or hindrance in these circumstances. Fame certainly spells doom for personal relationships. Money often does, too. πŸ™

  • anoni81b4u

    OK here is a question that maybe someone could help me with.
    How could a person in scientology try to have a relationship with a person like Jim Carrey?
    He is a comedian and he is publicly an anti crazy cult person.. so why would she try?
    I understand that fame and money attract hot young girls, but would the first date not be the last when he laughed at your cult and then the cult people found out you were dating a famous person who publicly made fun of your cult in the past? … Should I be confused? .. what part am I missing ?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Great Questions. I’ve wondered if Jim toned down the J&D because he didn’t want upset her.

      • anoni81b4u

        I just got a revelation … what if these were the questions you were thinking about when you swallowed a hand full of pills to kill yourself?

        • MostEthicalPimp

          You’re freaking me out! But maybe she decided that Jim Carrey hadn’t been genuine with her like she was just some big joke. Who would have told her that?? It’s also possible she find out that Jim had J&D her behind her back and she found out!

          • MostEthicalPimp

            Jim Carrey hadn’t been genuine

          • anoni81b4u

            what is J&D ?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              joking and degrading!

            • OOkpik

              Joking and degrading.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              jinx

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Because I’m so ethical. OOkpik

            • B4you

              You seriously didn’t know? Ha ha!

            • anoni81b4u

              I did not

    • B4you

      Those people want to ‘Help’. Also Jim Carrey! There IS no other reason.- If you ask them!

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I’m just checking you don’t mean that in a sarcastic way??? Like most people want to generally help their fellow man but are not really sure how or have history of failure in the area.

        • B4you

          No, the thing is; They think they are doing the right thing, that’s why they do it. It’s sad! They would die trying to ‘help’ you. I’am very serious!

          • MostEthicalPimp

            Okay, you mean yes they want to help you but it’s a perverted sort of help? Okay, that explains that my relationship with that girl!

            • B4you

              It is sooooo perverted and there is very little to do about it. That’s the problem (as I see it) with religious/extreme people. Here is an example: 2 Scio is caretaker of a Wog (Old man) who is dying in his bed and need 24/7 surveillance. while he is a sleep, the 2 Scios agreed to kill him, polluting the IV in his veins and he dies in a few hours. The 2 Scios goes free, nobody know’s up to this day! but the Org. They where helping the old man to die! So what? He just get another body and start’s all over in kindergarten.- Whats the problem???

    • Juicer77

      Excellent questions. These are the things that the shrinking $ci bubble is dealing with now, since information about it is spread so widely and public opinion of it is so poor. Those who are still in the bubble will face increasing pressures – both internal and external – pulling them one way or the other. Only Ms. White knows her real motivations. We may get a clue when/if the suicide notes are released, but even then her mental state may not have been lucid enough to explain her situation to others. In some ways these are the same questions we asked when Katie Holmes got involved with Cruise, although from a different viewpoint since she was only a $ci dabbler, not heavily involved from all accounts, and a famous person in her own right.

  • B4you
    • Juicer77

      Interesting!

      • B4you

        Now you can map the troll’s πŸ™‚

        • Juicer77

          LOL! Too much work. I don’t care where they come from, they’ll still get the Kissing Monster if they get out of line!

          • B4you

            *MUSH* πŸ™‚

    • anoni81b4u

      People in the Midwest need to learn how to curse!
      What the fuck ?

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I think there much less likely to swear. Also, if you want use an effective swear use one uncommon to the area the person is from. Like calling someone a bastard in Texas is probably more effective then saying that in Maine since every one is calling each other that anyway.

    • MostEthicalPimp
  • Juicer77

    O/T because many of us need a smile… ThatTweetingCat. Hilarious! https://twitter.com/thattweetingcat

    • B4you

      Ilike this one: [F5]

      • Juicer77

        He could wait until they had finished dinner, at least!

        • MostEthicalPimp

          one word: production

          • B4you

            You mean: reproduction?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              No I mean as in she is producing more Gross Income! by having less down time.

            • B4you

              ewww… That’s Gross!

            • anoni81b4u

              You always think of the practical way. I like that πŸ™‚

            • dagobarbz

              Ah, multitasking!

      • anoni81b4u

        I just shooped that one !
        classic πŸ™‚

      • OOkpik

        I hope someone had the good sense to rescue her before she suffocated. πŸ™

        • anoni81b4u

          I hope someone shot them both on the spot !
          I would have!

          • romanesco

            I’m sure you would, you psychotic little motherfucker. Tell me, how many pets have you killed so far? How many guns do you own? Are you planning a school shooting?

            • anoni81b4u

              I have probably killed a dozen feral cats .. they were no ones pet. I did shoot a pit bull that was someones pet.. but it chased me into my front yard and I had to kill it. I own LOTS of guns, and I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a wacko who would kill children …
              Do you have any more questions for me ?

            • anoni81b4u

              Just so you do not think I am mean, you should read the WIKIPEDIA article on feral cats.
              I have CHIPMUNKS on my property, they are a NATIVE species .. they are way cuter than INVASIVE FERAL cats .. and they throw a little chipmunk party every time I shoot one and throw it in the nearest dumpster! Just so we are clear πŸ™‚

            • anoni81b4u

              I would have head shot her first and chest shot lover boy before he had time to dismount!

  • richelieu jr

    YOu know, that ca tin Denver is so OT, he NEVER has trouble finding a parking space!

    #rim-shot,#marcBunker,#DenverOrg,#WannParkingPlacetoSeetheBrncos?,#Psst!WannaBuyaBridge?

    • dagobarbz

      You know, you, too, can be a Master of the Parking Space.

      All you need to do is chant ‘marty feldman’ repeatedly as you enter the lot. A space will miraculously appear! (For some reason, Marty Feldman, a Jew, has been promoted to Parking Slot Saint.)

      Anyways, try it. It works, and it helps people park!

  • beef

    Blood on their hands

  • carwreck

    Travis Case is ranked 8,500 in the Global Poker Index. He made a final table at a WSOP event this summer which is where he made the vast majority of his tournament poker earnings. the video for the final table: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udly-JPMNhM

  • Laine

    Tyler Hynes is a Canadian actor. I watched the portrayal he did of real life victim Jonathan Wamback. He was great in that TV movie, but didn’t do much after. Now I’m really bummed he became a Scientologist.

  • InterestedObserver12

    Jenny Burpee is from a prominent family in Ottawa, Canada. In the 1970s there was a Tom Burpee who was briefly on staff at the Ottawa Class IV Org, where I worked. Tom was off-loaded from staff due to a PTS situation – his father was antagonistic to $cn. After leaving staff Tom was a spy for the Guardians Office.

  • I suspect, and I could be wrong, but being close to many of the people in this story and having my own experiences in the upcoming actor scene it went something like this:

    0) She had depression, which came and went with her. A drug won’t necessarily handle it, but it can squash it if you hit the right type and dosage. There are plenty of better alternative treatments to try first. That aside, it was obviously unhandled.

    1) Cat gets into Scn and gets in with the acting crowd. In this crowd there is plenty of “apparent” success (some real) and as a result much pressure to meet a certain and often impossible standard. It didn’t work for her as an actress so she did makeup. She probably wasn’t as happy though as she could have been had she gotten some real training to act. It’s like grade school peer pressure but on a whole other level. It’s like, if you are in that crowd and aren’t successful then you can’t duplicate the tech and therefore you are a failure to a greater or lesser degree. This is never said, but somewhat implied by how you are treated (not saying her friends treated her that way but it’s sort of hard to explain, people have unspoken statuses in Scn, the higher yours is, it is assumed that you duplicate the tech better).

    2) That aside, she wanted to up the ante with Jim Carrey and get married. He apparently did not because maybe he is afraid of marriage (I understand that). But possibly because he knew she was into Scn and this was the flaw that unraveled their relationship. She was probably a little naive about his considerations which he likely voiced and didn’t handle them well.

    3) Jim Carrey breaks up with her and that spins her into a depression. This compounds with her own catch 22 of enjoying being in the “exclusive” club of Scientology actors and possibly what she was receiving in terms of training or processing in Scn and wanting to be with Mr. Carrey on a higher level – married. This conundrum and the other pressures to appear successful and happy (because you are a Scn VIP of sorts) may have caused her, in a moment of lapsed judgment, to seek a way out. Some people run away. Some people kill themselves.

    Whatever the real story or what went through her mind, I’ve no doubt that she received robotic auditing (Scn’s counseling) which didn’t come near to handling her long-standing depression (whether or not the SRD , the service she was reportedly on but stalled from, is a destructive process that are overwhelming people’s cases). I don’t know of anything in Scn that specifically targets handling depression. In Scn it’s more like, it “might” be from your reactive mind so go clear. And if that doesn’t work, maybe you need the OT levels. Or Super Power or the L Rundowns, or maybe you need training. So if you went into Scn to handle your depression, they’d just put you on the Purif and you’d slowly start making the haul upwards on their Bridge (or die trying).

    RIP Sweet Cat.

  • mrssandoval

    Ok. Someone has to tell me. What does Cat or her “twin ” mean when they say #tea or #tcup? Are they drinking some special Scientology brew? Possibly Kool Aid? And that brings me to my next question: Didn’t any of those people learn from Peoples Temple aka Jonestown? I know that was an awkwardly-worded sentence; please don’t think I’m a high school student asking dumb questions. Matter-of-fact, that last question is kind of rhetorical.