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As Scientology coverage blows up, get ready for major network attention on Clearwater

[Clearwater tavernkeeper Clay Irwin, with local friend]

Interest in Scientology is really boiling over, as you’ve probably noticed. We’re hearing from producers and journalists about investigations and programs about Scientology going into development at a stupendous rate. It’s almost overwhelming.

And some of that attention is definitely focused on Clearwater, Florida where we’ve been saying for a while a showdown of sorts has been building. Even the Los Angeles Times, which has shown such little interest in Scientology’s controversies in its own backyard, published a piece by Tampa-based freelancer Les Neuhaus yesterday about the recent land sale that caused reverberations throughout Pinellas County.

And more national attention is heading Clearwater’s way. The land sale — which pitted the Church of Scientology against the Clearwater Marine Aquarium over a 1.4-acre parcel that the city purchased from the aquarium as part of a $55-million redevelopment plan — is exactly the kind of thing that the mainstream media can sink its teeth into. It has conflict — the church offered $15 million for the small parcel, but the aquarium wouldn’t budge and sold it to the city for $4.25 million as it had promised — and it also has lots of public records, as well as politicians and other figures willing to go on the record.

And that’s an enticing combo for big league press, which shies away from more sordid stuff about familial smears, parental alienation, courtroom rancor, and the other stuff we tend to wallow in here.

The Clearwater kerfuffle is safer, but it also has some irresistible drama. In the wake of the land sale, Scientology leader David Miscavige expressed his dissatisfaction with being shut out with a couple of nasty stabs at the Clearwater Marine Aquarium, and then, reportedly, took a measure of revenge by ordering Sea Org members to stop patronizing local businesses. We’ve heard from several local residents that at the same time, a surprising number of homeless suddenly appeared downtown, more than anyone has seen for years, and the timing seemed suspect.

There’s also the juicy little detail about Tom Cruise planning to move into a double penthouse right smack in the middle of the Scientology footprint, a revelation you heard here first.

And amid all of this swirling drama, there’s an unlikely figure who is getting more and more attention for being in the eye of the storm: Tavernkeeper Clay Irwin, who seemingly had no idea what he was walking into when he started up an Irish pub, the Lucky Anchor, on Cleveland Street at the beginning of the year.

We’ve written about Clay’s hilarious impromptu tour of Cruise’s unfinished palace. And how he was subsequently snubbed when Miscavige invited Cleveland Street business and property owners to hobnob with Scientology celebs John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, and Kelly Preston. (Though Irwin gained some measure of satisfaction when he ran into Preston while walking around town, as can be seen in the photo above.)

Irwin has now posted on his Facebook page that he’s in great demand from the networks, which are apparently digging into the Clearwater story. Last Thursday he was interviewed by NBC’s Lester Holt for Dateline, and ABC is knocking on his door next. But what he didn’t say on Facebook was that his rising press stardom has Scientology in something of a panic.

“A half hour before the NBC interview, they called me, trying to get me to cancel it,” he told us in a phone call yesterday. How, we wondered, did Scientology think it could convince him to spurn Dateline at such a late hour?

“They offered to send the celebrities to my bar so I could get some attention for it,” he said.

Irwin turned them down.

And this is what it has come to. In its spiritual mecca, Scientology’s once-legendary slate of celebrities aren’t glamorous enough to charm a bar owner out of his big chance for network exposure.

Wow, that’s gotta hurt.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Joy Villa continues her star turn as Scientology’s sudden celebrity. In this photo, she’s with her “stylish friends,” she says. On the left in the photo is a man named Zoltan Torteli, and more about him in a moment. But on the right, well that’s Arthur Ehrlich. You might remember him from a photo his mother posted when she said she was sending him away to Scientology’s Sea Org at only 16. But he didn’t go after all. And he’s popped up from time to time on various Scientology accounts. When we see him, we remember Aaron Smith-Levin breaking down on Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath as he talked about losing his twin brother, Collin. Arthur is Collin’s son, and he has no contact with his uncle, Aaron. We can’t help wondering if Joy Villa has any clue about this at all.

 

 
Here’s another shot of Zoltan Torteli, with his certificates for the L10, L11, and L12 Rundowns. According to a 2010 price list, L10 costs a minimum of $42,000 in auditing (and can cost much more), and L11 and L12 cost minimums of $23,250 in auditing each. That’s at least $88,500 and probably much more just for auditing, plus the many weeks of accommodation at the Flag Land Base and numerous other costs for security interrogations, etc. And for what? Repetitive questioning with gems like these…

Have you ever done a family member in?
Have you ever brutalized another with sex?
Are you best left alone?
Are women stupid?
Do you have a secret desire to annihilate the opposite sex?
Are you spied on?
How powerful do you have to be to be successful?
Are other people necessary?
Have you squashed a thetan out of existence?
Is life worth living?
Are you facing eternity with lack of hope?
Is there hope for man?

We know, we know: Scientologists are very smart people who simply want to help their fellow man. And then there’s this guy.

 

 

 
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Countdown to Denver!

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,767 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,524 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,870 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,364 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,404 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,116 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 642 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,731 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,871 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,191 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,166 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 522 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,824 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 931 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,333 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,206 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 787 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,292 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,536 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,645 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 31, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “Is life worth living?” “Is there hope for man?”

    I guess if I lived in Clearwater, I’d be wanting to move. Or maybe go back in time (June 1967):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bch1_Ep5M1s

  • Just wanted to remind everyone I’m discussing Scientology & the EMeter on Storage Wars on A&E (the most suppressive network on television) tonight at 9PM on the “L. Ron YUUUPER” episode. Set your DVR’s! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e53d78c5bc53cf83ac3df63f71c45391eacd72f32a9cf627e598a142e3dec39.jpg

    • iampissed

      Setting DVR.

    • Thanks for the heads up.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Steven Mango and an E-Meter on Storage Wars??? Get Outta Town!!!

      • I even perform a stress test on Dave! I don’t know what made the final cut. The shoot was bizarre to say the least!

        • Philbyification

          Excellent Steven. Thanks. See ya T’nite!

        • chukicita

          So cool they brought it to you for expert analysis and appraisal! I can’t wait to see what you priced it for. It would be a perfect white elephant gift.

        • Philbyification

          Good show! You slid in some zingers! πŸ˜€

    • Kristen

      Nice! Wish Barry were still there. Can you tell us who you will be talking to? I like Ivy and Rene.

    • Chee Chalker

      I can put the evaluation on a e-meter: $0
      Unless you sell it for parts in which case it shoots up to $10

      • LOL I can’t say what I appraised it for but I gave it a slight value… πŸ˜‰

        • iampissed

          Halloween is coming up.

          • I_scream_truck

            Will the new costume craze be dressing up as a Scientologist? Dingy white shirt, tattered black vest and slacks, nametag that says Body Router, and holding soup cans, old style.

    • PRenaud

      I’ll be watching…

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Sounds like fun. But how in the world did Storage Wars get interested in $cn!?

      Oh, could it have been as a result of finding more and more storage lockers packed to the rafters with Basic Book sets and other cult detritus, abandoned there by the owners who couldn’t pay their bills?

      At least with Amway, when you finally get out of that cult, you end up with a garage full of useful laundry detergent and other household products πŸ˜‰

      • I don’t know what will make the final cut. Dave found it in the back of a storage unit and brought it over to me to learn about what it is, demo how it works, and to appraise it for him! In my living room!

        • Juicer77

          Fun! I hope your segment makes it to air. Can’t imagine what you appraised it for. XD

          • GfldedKim

            Info on the show says Dave gets auditing. So I think it will be on the show. Dvr all set. πŸ‘

    • My episode of Storage Wars on A&E is now streaming online! I discuss Scientology, put Dave on the emeter, and I give an appraisal. My segment begins at 17:04 near the end of the program. Enjoy! http://www.aetv.com/shows/storage-wars/season-10/episode-15 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5a356156e657297a222d3960c4ff0931c6d8243bbe710cb0a507ef8f093c377f.jpg

  • davegrille

    The tricks of the 1950’s will not work now.

    • flyonthewall

      “got your nose” is a timeless classic

      • davegrille

        Cool!

        • flyonthewall

          i know

  • Tracy Schmitz

    OFF TOPIC.. for those who paid attention to my first “off topic” post about me and the cultie going back and forth on youtube.. here is the next reply back to her and her reply back (oh yeah, i did just reply to her “are you OSA?”) anyway the latest below, first my post and then her reply:

    where to begin. do you know ANYTHING BESIDES SCIENTOLOGY AND WHAT THEY TELL YOU? 1) anyone with any education and scientific training could LITERALLY TEAR APART DIANETICS in a few seconds! yeah, people find anything of value if they want to, does NOT mean it’s real or true!

    2) newsflash: you only have 30 to 50 thousand members (I’M TALKING REAL MEMBERS! not those who took a class or bought a book 1 time years ago!) IN THE ENTIRE WORLD and all those orgs are nearly empty buildings after the “grand openings” of these buildings meant ONLY to impress you into thinking how great and growing scientology is.. money for the buildings from the celebs and filthy rich whales.. building with grand openings are NOT expansion or growth! the question is DO YOU KNOW THIS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHOSE NOT A SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE YOU WILLFULLY ARE TELLING A “WHITE LIE?”

    3) the i.r.s. was “blackmailed” into giving scientology, religious status, everyone else whose NOT a scientologist knows this..

    4) yes, we all know the definition of “scientology” interesting in that it was founded by a person who DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING including “science” you do know he FLUNKED out of college right and flunked all his science courses! and of course lied about that (there is documented on paper proof of all of this i might add!) and yes, lied about being a nuclear physicist!!!

    5) interesting that EVERYONE ELSE IS LYING AND EVERYONE ELSE IS MAKING MONEY, BUT SCIENTOLOGY ISN’T? REALLY? REALLY? do tell the world how much it costs to “go clear” and “get to the OT levels” i know, do you?
    go ahead and post the amounts!..and do tell why scientology is the ONLY “religion” in the entire world where a member has to PAY FOR THEIR SPIRITUALITY? and more and more over the years to quote “move up” (no other religion/church/faith does this and tells and encourages it’s members to “move up” and “earn being a member” move up? earn it? in a religion?) and it’s all DEMAND of payment, not donations! please explain why every other religion/church/faith is free to learn, to practice their religion but NOT scientology?. newsflash: NO TRUE RELIGION/CHURCH/FAITH would make their members PAY ANYTHING to be a member!that is a business, not a holy moral religious ethical church!…

    6)please do tell where we can find the EVIDENCE of scientologists ONLY being allowed to help during 9/11 and the EVIDENCE OF THEM removing debris to find bodies and organizing clothes and supplies for people and supporting the emergency responders! (hmm, i figured if scientologists are the ONLY ONES WHO CAN TRULY HELP for example in a accident, why then would they need emergency responders during 9/11’s aftermath? shouldn’t you have told them ONLY YOU can help these injured people? touch assists anyone?

    will be waiting for your evidence and where to find it AND WE DON’T MEAN ON SCIENTOLOGY WEBSITES EITHER ! (can you say bias?)…

    HER REPLY BELOW: (OH, BY THE WAY HER NAME IS PATRICIA MATHESON)

    We can help in accidents and so forth UNTIL the emts arrive. everyone can help others in some way. You do not have to be a Scientologist to help out, but I think scientologists can be more efficient and effective about the help they give. I have my own personal experiences and that is what I am sharing with you. I was there at ground zero on 9/11. actually they kept 2 or 3 non-profits there and the church was one of them. How can you say anything with any kind of authority about a subject that you have never studied or looked at in real life? how do you know if something works if you do not use it in real life and make up your own mind about it? everything that you said is propaganda and lies. Like I said, some people are afraid that they will lose a lot of money if people understood scientology. the American Psychiatric and American Medical Association did not want Dianetics when Hubbard tried to give it to them for free. They missed out, and now we have to be attacked for using it to help ourselves and others? That is their problem, not ours. you will have to go to scientology website to see for yourself. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. Are you afraid that if you honestly use it, you might find out that you were wrong this entire time?
    The “elite” doctors and psychiatrists were too egotistical to see a good thing when it was right under their noses. For example, many years ago, many women died in England after childbirth because “smart” medical doctors refused to wash their hands. One doctor kept begging them to wash their hands, but they would not do it. Many thought that the observant doctor, who cared about mothers dieing, was CRAZY. (does this sound familiar to you in anyway?)
    If you like negative stories and gossip, then be my guest.

    • Chee Chalker

      God bless you Tracy…….you have some patience!

      I would have employed the ‘roll eyes tech’ or ‘smh tech’ and given up

      And eta…..how sad is her response? It’s all a conspiracy…..sigh

    • PeaceMaker

      Ask her how she can critique a subject like psychiatry that she has “never studied or looked at in real life.”

      Some of the pseudo-science of early medicine does sound like Dianetics and Scientology. The story about hand washing that she relates, was a hundred years before Hubbard introduced Dianetics, in the mid 19th century; medicine has since critiqued itself, learned from research and discoveries, and advanced, while Dianetics and Scientology have not, in nearly half a century – they even still feed infants Hubbard’s flawed barley formula, which can land babies in the hospital with malnutrition, rather like the doctors who wouldn’t wash their hands….

      • Chee Chalker

        She probably thinks the Theodoric of York SNL sketch was a documentary.

      • That mad barley formula has landed babies in hospital with scurvy and malnutrition. In some cases several times, as the parents resume feeding their child with it after the poor kids have been discharged from hospital.

        Here are several papers, published by doctors in medical journals, which provide case studies of this insanity, available here: https://scicrit.wordpress.com/l-ron-hubbards-baby-formula/

        Alongside Narconon, that ‘baby formula’ (which is still promoted online) is, for me, the most infuriating nonsense ever to come out of Hubbard’s arse.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I just love it when clams go robotic on you and ask stuff like this: “How can you say anything with any kind of authority about a subject that you have never studied or looked at in real life?”

      That rote response and the presumption that anyone who’s critical of $cn knows nothing about it and hasn’t read any of Elron’s vast literature on the subject is a fatal error that they set themselves up with all the time.

      Read a book? Well, thanks for the suggestion, but I’ve read them all, plus many of the HCOBs and HCOPLs that Elron cranked out in an almost endless flow.

      Now, let me ask you a question in return, my faithful $cientologists: What are the most central beliefs and fundamental tenets of your faith? Can you please tell us that, or are you one of those $cilons who’ve gotten yourself far enough up the bridge to the level where you must sign a written agreement not to mention He Who Shall Not Be Named, or to mention anything about exorcising space alien spirits, on penalty of paying a $100K fine for each violation of that clause?

      Clam radio silence promptly ensues! Once their confront on THEIR OWN RELIGION’S BELIEFS has been shattered and they flee the stage, you then have the floor to yourself and can inform others of exactly what those not-so-secret secrets are…sooo much fun!

    • chukicita

      As reported in The Guardian:

      “After 9/11, aid agencies at Ground Zero voiced concern that the Volunteer Ministers had displayed their leaflets around the disaster site and operated in the restricted area without authorisation until this was pointed out to the police, who then denied them access. Two days after the tragedy, and presenting themselves as an organisation called National Mental Health Assistance, representatives of the Church of Scientology duped Fox News into running the church’s freephone number for five hours on the bottom of the screen, apparently in the belief that it was the official outreach hotline. Fox News removed it after an irate intervention from the real National Mental Health Association.”

    • April

      Clam says, “We can help in accidents and so forth UNTIL the emts arrive. everyone can help others in some way.”

      And you don’t have to be a scientologist to help at an accident scene. For example, call 911, check the crash victim for breathing, pulse etc… until EMTs arrive. Why would she even use this argument to support the flawed idea that a scientologist without medical training is more helpful at an accident scene than a non-scientologist without medical training. smdh

      I tell you what, if I’m ever in a car accident and some clam starts poking me and asking, “does that hurt,” they’re gonna get punched in the damned face.

  • nottrue
    • madame duran

      So now this National Affairs Office in Ireland is foregoing the proper channels of communication with schools and just junkmailing the whole country’s education system?? The nerve. I hope every piece of paper is then shoved back through their little mail chute on the front door.

  • AnyOldName1

    I’m sure $CN didn’t import the homeless people. They are just the Sci-bots who ran out of money on the way up the bridge. Cap’n Blackheart got pissed when he lost the Aquarium deal and tossed them out on the street.

  • J. Swift

    Scientology GO plotted and wrote a program to get Mayor Cazares removed from office as he was hindering Scientology in Clearwater. Excerpt:

    Mayor Cazares Handling Project

    Major Target: To remove Cazares from any position from which he can fight the expansion of Scientology or United Churches in the Base area.

    Primary Targets:
    1. GO Flag2. To remove him from public office and discredit him as an opinion leader.
    3. AG Flag, AGPR FLAG, AG I FLAG, AG L Flag
    4. Targets checked out on and understood by those involved, and [illegible] utilized as indicated.
    5. Program supervised by Pgms US, minor debugging by Programs Officer Flag.
    AG alerted to major bugs and liason with Pgms Sup
    6. Targets being completed on schedule

    The “sudden” appearance of homeless people sounds suspiciously to me like an OSA program. If I cloned off the project written on Mayor Cazares, an OSA program to “handle” Downtown CLW might read:

    Major Target: To degrade and despoil the economy and environment of Downtown Clearwater by flooding it
    with homeless people, drugs, prostitution, and crime in order to stop any new development activity by the
    CLW Aquarium or any other parties.

    Primary Targets:
    1. Discredit David Yates and the CLW Aquarium as opinion leaders.
    3. Bankrupt or drive all business owners out of Downtown CLW.
    4. Get all five present CLW city council members removed office by showing they are the cause of crime
    and degradation in Downtown CLW
    5. SCN to continue to purchase all available properties in Downtown CLW
    6. Show residents of CLW that only SCN has the money and manpower to clean up
    and redevelop Downtown CLW.
    7. As part of CLW city council turning over the redevelopment of Downtown CLW,
    city council agrees to sell the 1.4 acre to SCN.
    8. OSA to create program to make Downtown CLW a magnet for the homeless and drug users
    9. OSA Legal to sue CLW as necessary to block any Downtown CLW development efforts.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I remember a video with Mike McClaughry talking about an operation against “Jim Esterbrook” where they bussed in hippies to put a town’s residents off the idea of opening rehab clinic.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ySQAdnFII

      • flyonthewall

        oh yeah! The LSD in the toothpaste story was also a hoot

    • Chee Chalker

      I hope Season 2 of Aftermath gets into the Co$/Clearwater relationship in depth.
      Including the attempt to frame the mayor

      • Philbyification

        And ALL the false complaints never prosecuted!

      • chukicita

        That was only one of the ops against Gabe.

        • Chee Chalker

          The ball$ on these people.

  • Lliira

    Americans outside the Hollywood bubble mostly don’t care about celebrities. If anything, knowing celebrities like a place is a detriment these days. Particularly Scientology celebrities, and particularly in central Florida. We despise these people.

    Celebrity culture is dying or dead. Scientology is acting like it’s still the 1950s, when “Hollywood Royalty” was a thing. They won’t and can’t change. This is good. Because you either change or you die.

    • Celebrity is also a double -edged sword.
      If your pet celeb messes up and loses public support (e.g. TC) it reflects on your organisation.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Indeed, one could argue that when tom tom jumped the couch, the cult jumped the shark. Instead of being the cult’s numero uno World Ambassador, TC has become its world-class Embarrasser πŸ˜‰

        • Trying to suppress his manic ‘mission impossible’ video was what brought Anonymous down upon the CofS – which is probably the single greatest calamity it has ever suffered.

          That alone offsets all of the positive publicity he has ever brought them – which was never much.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            It sure did and it really caught lil davey and tom tom with their pants down.

            Interestingly, the close-to absolute control that lil davey can exert over his entire flock finds it complete opposite when it comes to the internet, where no matter how much he squawks, things just get worse for him and the cult.

            But the hilarious thing there is that Elron, for all his vast whole track recall, had absolutely no prescience of the future. But he did leave his followers with the iron-clad order to never change the Holy Tek, no matter what, which has us here in the Bunker doubled over in laughter. “Cult down…help, Cult DOWN!!”

            • Gus Cox

              It’s funny how the Fatman recalled the oh-so-brilliant Org Board from gazillions of guh-LAX-ies ago, but had no clue about the possibility of data networks.

  • Bob Crouch

    If the cult is indeed behind the homeless deal, this seems utterly self-defeating.

    Even before, downtown CW was not exactly a non-cult tourist destination of choice due to goose-stepping cult zombies. Local property owners are already used to operating with this handicap. However, there is always the possibility of pissing them off at the apparent intimidation attempt. In the long run, this does not help the “church” any when it comes to the community goodwill required to pursue their agenda. For example, next time the cult attempts to get a building permit, a zoning variance or some other special consideration that would ordinarily sail right through the process, they may find themselves facing neighborhood opposition. So much for the communal goodwill they were trying to court not so long ago!

    Second, cult tourism is a major factor in downtown CW. Granted, they try to keep their “tourists” sequestered in their buildings facilities, auditing rooms and regging rubber rooms. However, scientologist families are not going to be too pleased if coming to CW means having to dodge too many homeless on the sidewalks. It definitely detracts from the family experience that one may expect when staying on expensive cult-owned downtown accommodations. In other words the cult is shitting in its own nest. A winning strategy? Not so much!

    This kind of move confirms the worst that people have been speculating about the “church.” Petty? Vindictive? Underhanded? Hostile? Check on all the above! Not to mention that this kind of thing makes the press outside of CW as well.

    Finally, what does this say about scientology’s ability to “clear its sector?” It seems rather odd that surrounding the mecca of scientology, and right in the middle of a community where they claim that over 10,000 of the scientology super human race reside squalor should mushroom. So they civilized Colombia and lent VM (largest relief force on the planet!) aid to all kinds of places too far away for scrutiny. And yet, THIS is what things look like in their own backyard? And they do NOTHING to help, or deploy the “tech” to get all those unfortunates straightened out? So much for the curative powers of the Way to Happiness!

    Then again, would they cut off their nose to spite their face? Without hesitation!

    • chukicita

      Colombia isn’t exactly too far away for scrutiny. And ma family who live there would be surprised to learn they have been “civilized” by Scientology. Do you have any idea how many Colombians come to Tampa Bay region just to shop?

      • Bob Crouch

        You get no argument from me. I am sure Columbians will be very surprised to hear about the wonderful things the cult has done for (or more accurately “to”) them.

  • Homeless in Clearwater? Anything like Eyeless In Gaza (a novel of disillusionment with empty celebrity)?:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/626f037b3114c4eedc9f23bb125981013ac4c08c1a383084ef99d6293883819b.jpg

  • Bob Crouch

    Give Joy her own show already! “Desperate ‘celebrities’ of Hubbardville.” Run it in the same time slot as Remini, and prove once and for all that Leah became irrelevant the moment she left the safe cult cocoon. Where is SUMP when you need it?

  • Observer

    So Disqus is wigging out again

    • flyonthewall

      wiggity whack yo

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Damn!

    • bixntram

      Disqus wouldn’t let me get on here for a long time. Then it would. Then it wouldn’t. Now it’s letting me on. For how long, I have no idea.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Needs Hair Club for Men: Internet Version 2.0

  • Susan black

    Your first paragraph, Tony, is such good news. Sorry you’re feeling a bit overwhelmed, but the bunkaroos know you can handle it. Thanks for all the hard lifting. And the excellent writing.

  • nottrue
    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      So true and Good Ibetty!

    • PeaceMaker

      Good comeback. I think it’s best to stick to, or at least lead with, hard-hitting facts.

      As to buildings, the “missions” that used to serve most scientologists, are failing or closed – only one in the UK is left open, out of what were originally more than a dozen.

      The last census for all of the UK showed just 1,781 Scientologists remaining.

      • And that number included minor children, foreign ‘students’ / Sea Org in the country on Census day and indies who still self-identify as Scientologists.

        Both the census data and inside information puts the membership of Plymouth Org at about 30 individuals. It would not be viable if it didn’t receive ‘donations’ from another Scientology enterprise.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Ugh he’s JAWing away as usual and then, BAM! Andrea smacks him upside the head with a truth bomb! ❀️ It!
      Go iBetty! πŸ‘Š

    • Chee Chalker

      60? Is that true? There are not 60 Ideal Morgues

      • April

        Absolutely not.

        • Chee Chalker

          If he is counting Chicago in that number I can attest to the fact that the new building purchase by the Co$ in 2008 is nowhere near ‘palatial’.

          Or even open

    • sizzle8

      They aren’t NEW churches.
      They’re the OLD org in a NEW building.
      God he’s dense!

    • EmmaDaoust

      “Palatial” because you’ll need a king’s ransom to be a “parishioner.”

    • PeaceMaker

      Oh, and I forgot to mention, those new “churches” are mostly not in Britain – only one has been completed, London, and that by effectively closing the Celebrity Center and merging it into the “org,” while 4 of the remaining local 6 churches long ago bought buildings to renovate that are now falling into ruin as they don’t have enough support to get them done.

      So much to debunk in such a small, falsehood-filled statement!

    • Observer

      Go Andrea!

      ETA: “palatial churches”…there’s something wrong with that phrase.

    • madame duran

      Next to shrinking membership, there’s no rise in public respectability either.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Oh boy, discus finally let me back in….. BTW I’m on a retreat, but do read all the great comments and articles. So I’ve not been gone, just in silence for who knows how long. As they say, as long as it takes, haha, Love you all!

    Edit, now it won;t let me post. So bye for now

    • Ann B Watson

      Disquis has mood swings. I am very happy to see you here Dee. πŸ’–

    • chukicita

      Always good to know you’re there, Dee!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    DM does the Ls:

    Have you ever done a family member in, Mr. Miscavige?
    Yes, my father, my brother, my niece.
    Then there was my mother-in-law.
    Oh, I nearly forgot about my wife.
    What’s her name, been a while.
    And I ain’t done yet.

    Are you best left alone?
    That’s what they say.

    Are women stupid?
    Not more than wogs.
    Or my staff.
    Or everyone else except Tommy Boy.
    And I have my doubts about him.
    If you’d seen the tapes …

    Do you have a secret desire to annihilate the opposite sex?
    I have a nakedly overt desire to annihilate Clearwater, journalists, wogs, Winter,
    where was I? Oh, yeah, apostates bitter and defrocked, all those bums in the Hole, ..

    Are you spied on?
    I’m the one doing the spying.
    You better believe it.

    Gotta run, people to ruin, ribbons to cut, …
    Ciao, ragazzi

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cdf1968e803b969d33b5230648187b0bcca96c0b60de750797c25aa300d7eddf.jpg

    • SarahDB

      powerful Pan

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      Had me rolling! So funny.

    • John McMillan

      Hilarious! Don’t ya think Davey?

  • Aaron Smith-Levin

    Just a quick comment. Arthur lives with his biological mom (Sarah) and stepdad in a mansion in Beverly Hills. He’s going to be just fine. Further, Sarah doesn’t give a damn about Scientology beyond the networking opportunity it presents in Los Angeles. Arthur’s stepdad zero interest in Scientology (actually dislikes it) and will only put up with Sarah’s involvement in it as long as she keeps up her end of the marriage, if you know what I mean.

    • Observer

      I hope Arthur leaves Scientology in the dust, the sooner the better. I’m just happy he didn’t end up in the Sea Org.

    • mockingbird

      Wow. I better keep up my end of the marriage !

      • Marshall

        Ohhhhh …. that’s what happened to my marriage!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Glad to hear he didn’t end up in the Sea Org and that he doesn’t have die-hard Scio parents, but VERY sorry to hear you don’t have contact w/him. Here’s hoping that changes over time and thanks for explaining – I definitely wondered (& wasn’t aware that your brother had a son). Take care!

    • flyonthewall

      by keeping up her end of the marriage you mean baking yummy chocolate chip cookies on Fridays, right?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        It’s more like Lego style interactions I think he was alluding to.

    • flyonthewall

      but then why would she almost send him to the Sea Org? What was that all about?

  • John McMillan

    Hey Dave…when it comes down to it, is there anyone anywhere you can trust? Just sayin’.

  • The Independent Scientology Religious Liberty League blog is down, gone or missing. I have no idea if that as a result of a mere website glitch, or if something more important is going on. EDITED TO ADD: Then again, when one clicks indiviual items under “Our News” on the main page, they come up.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b964b4763c87f1047f83167ea319bddd3fbc6bf5ec9c215fdab9579609c39e43.png

    • flyonthewall

      there shouldn’t be a /blog/ at the end of the URL

      without that it comes up fine

      • Yes, I know that http://religiouslibertyleague.org by itself come up fine. But when one click’s the “BLOG” button, one gets the result screen-captured above. Then again, when one clicks indiviual items under “Our News” on the main page, they come up.

        • flyonthewall

          prob just a technical problem. Get it? Technical – tech? Scientology tech. You get it

          • gtsix

            So, the tech doesn’t work? Who knew?

        • Someone’s probably messed up then, and broken the link between the menu and the blog files. Hard to fix, unless you know what you’re doing.

      • It does… but if you click the ‘Blog’ link after accessing the home page, all of the blog entries that used to be there are gone. In fact, that page display the error message: ‘Nothing found for Blog’ – so the menu link no longer points to the blog files.

        The blog used to contain entries detailing their supposed progress towards incorporating an ‘Independent Church of Scientology’ without copyright problems.

        The fact that those promises have disappeared into a memory hole might suggest they have failed and hope this will be forgotten if they delete it all. Alternatively, there may be a glitch in the website.

        Worth watching? Possibly. However, I don’t think anything will ever come of their efforts – not enough indies are interested in joining an institution that sounds far too much like the CofS itself.

      • PeaceMaker

        The blog is indeed down – but yes, the home page is still there.

    • PeaceMaker

      Regardless, it still seems indicative that the independent movement mostly consists of small, isolated, quixotic efforts that often peter out, and are not gaining much traction – the copyright date at the bottom of the home page is still 2015.

      • I followed it in the early days – there was a brief burst of activity during which promises were made and significant progress hinted at… then it did, indeed, peter out.

        My take is that it’s too much like the CofS itself to appeal to indies who were glad to escape the limitations of a central organisation. That, and there just aren’t that many Indies, anyway.

      • Well, the Religious Liberty League (RLL) got farther than most. The RLL got 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. The First Independent Church of Scientology (FICS), which the RLL created, got 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. The FICS applied for trademarks (which are in limbo). The FICS has a website that is “Coming Soon!” — although it has been “Coming Soon!” for months now.

        • Observer

          Months are nanoseconds on the whole track…

        • PeaceMaker

          I was impressed that they got that far. It could be a good development, if it provided the basis for relatively harm-free places for people leaving Scientology, to go to.

      • Next we might see the Independent Anti-Critics with some OSA smear concussion headbangers.
        It’s like LRH has taken permanent residence inside some these people head as cheap version of Max-Headroom. Who knows! There might be an Independent-Independent fraction out there?

  • John McMillan

    How do I go about getting fair gamed? Is there a waiting list?

    • Liberated

      Sue them.

    • chukicita

      All you have to do is ask questions in public. Ask for financial transparency.

      Ask for disconnection to not be a policy. Or bulletin. Let people not have to choose between their family and friends and their belief system. That should not be a requirement for participating in your church. That is not religious freedom.

      Ask why a church needs private investigators as a budget line item.

      Ask why the church isn’t being honest about how its policies hurt people and communities.

      Ask how can you possibly transcend MEST when your every spiritual advancement is predicated on spending more of your money.

      Ask about the Sea Org retirement plan.

      Do this not to annoy, but because you really want to hear answers. Listen to them. Keep asking. Go back the next day, and ask some more. Explain that you have a different opinion and it might be important to hear in order to make an informed decision.

      Be prepared for someone to follow you, take your picture, write down your car license, ask your name, intimidate you, call you at odd hours, call you at work, call your kid’s day care.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Clay Irwin will be the real celebrity in Clearwater.

    Kirsty ….. wasn’t that ….. I don’t remember …..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KtAgAMzaeg

  • Re: “the Clearwater kerfuffle” … uh, Tony, I think the word is “covfefe”

    • Philbyification

      lol

      • I’m not proud of that one. Haven’t been feeling like myself lately and had to take the open shot just to get on the board.

        • Philbyification

          I hope you still feel Wing-ed Duck!

        • Philbyification

          Feeling Sarky again wing-ed friend? Hot Cuban coffee with hand whipped sugar foam and Choc. Fudge for Peak Duck garden weeding performance and NO, “fear of flying” side-effects, waitin for ya!…lol zip zip zappity zip…:D

    • GfldedKim

      .πŸ˜‚

    • Observer

      Snerk!

  • May_West

    Tyler Shields was the photographer for Kathy G’s horrendous photos with Trump mask. Isn’t he a scientologist?

    • MostEthicalPimp
      • May_West

        Thanks. The reason I ask is because it seems a bit ambiguous. Some yes, some no.

      • GfldedKim

        That. Was. Way. Cool! Thanks!

    • Sort of yes I think?

      • TonyOrtega

        I’d be interested in any legitimate evidence of it and not just gossip.

        • flyonthewall

          I tweeted him and asked if he was one. I’ll let you know if he responds. Don’t be mad you didn’t think of it first

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
          • Gus Cox

            Hell, I’d rather be linked to scientology than to that no-talent twat Tyler Shields.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            if, and I really mean If it is linked to a Scientologist, or even not, then I would like the back story of how Kathy was convinced to create such a horrible image. And then put it out there. It is almost as if it was designed to ruin her career. Was she told it would be funny? Was it even her idea? Just doesn’t seem right or fit with what I perceive of her sense of comic.

  • Derry Now: Scientology Ireland to make contact with County Derry schools

    https://www.derrynow.com/news/scientology-ireland-make-contact-county-derry-schools/165709

    “A spokesperson for Scientology Ireland told the Co Derry Post that letters are to be sent to schools across Ireland, including those in Co Derry.”

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Kathy Griffin Advises Scientology on Fair Game; Fails.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08e9cafeb02b30a21105a83f11415f0f930b63e3c3fbaa8a0074eb31f49489ed.jpg

    A simulacrum of the bloody severed head of President Trump was Kathy Griffin’s proposed example of what Scientology FAIR GAME should look like in 2017. Needless to say, Griffin’s visual did not go over well
    with focus groups.

    Moreover, COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige wanted something different than the usual LRH “head on a pike” β€” and that’s why the depraved goons in the Office of Special Affairs called upon the services of George Remini and Dana Connaughton.

    We in RTC have to agree that this gruesome twosome are far more offensive to our sensibilities than anything Kathy Griffin did:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05f80dcff8a64005d45ec71406933368b3cafa06722c7da19986a6f74ebf4ab7.jpg

    • outraged

      Isnt the photographer that smarmy Scientologist Tyler Shields.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Squatty Potty dropped Kathy Griffin as its spokesperson after the Trump imbroglio. Jenna Elfman’s agent is pushing real hard to get Jenna the job as the new Squatty Potty spokesperson. Jenna really needs this gig.

          https://www.squattypotty.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/squatty-potty-kathy-griffin.jpg

        • flyonthewall

          I don’t know much about coitus but isn’t it a good thing for the guy to finish last in the bedroom?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Haven’t you read the Founder’s Affirmations? Sex is all about the man’s satisfaction.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Is that why your saviour LRH had 3 wives?? 3wives R Grrreattt!!!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              3 wives? Sorry, there were only two wives and we have proof.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I forgot. Sara Northrup Hollister is not a thetan. My bad!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              No, no. We have him on tape saying he never had a second wife. So it’s one or three.

          • TheMirrorThetan

            “I don’t know much about coitus but “…That’s not what Jimmy says. πŸ˜€
            Yes it is a good thing for the guy to finish last unless you are LRonHubbturd and his rotten mouth and then you are doing your missus a favour getting it over and done with quick.

      • Gus Cox

        Shields is an utter douchebag who copies other photographers’ work.

  • nottrue
    • PeaceMaker

      Pretty cool. If you add up viewship of all the episodes (including online viewership through sites such as RUtube – which is global), the ASC probably has more than Scientology’s 15 million members (yes, I know that involves very bad math and assumptions on both sides) and is going to experience a great era of new “expansion” well beyond that this fall.

  • Liberated

    Is covfefed the past tense of covfefe ?

    • were you covfefing? again?

      • outraged

        covfefe is the subordinate tense of kerfuffle.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Social Media is in a covfefe
          It makes us all kind of TeeHee
          Such a clumsy President
          Setting the precedent
          Of having elected a small PeePee

          • Puget Buckeye

            Holy cow. You’re on a roll!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Inspiration seems to be throwing them easy across the plate tonite.

            • Puget Buckeye

              And we all benefit. (Love the baseball analogy!)

      • Liberated

        Uhh..you don’t know me that well.

  • wewantyourmoney

    What is Kelly Preston holding in the photo? 50 front group pamphlets?

    • outraged

      At first I thought Kelly was holding a toothbrush and maybe he bumped into her coming out of Walmart.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Kelly w/ a toothbrush? Aw hell naw!! She is at cause over her gingivitis.

  • exccla

    In the sci pictures above you can’t make out the person’s name. But you sure can see what sci action was finished. I find that happens a lot in sci promo. It’s obvious what the cherch really wants to promote.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    I’m finna fill out the same questionnaire as seen below. I feel it is important…as well as hilarious!!!

    Have you ever done a family member in?
    Only in the butt. And he liked it.

    Have you ever brutalized another with sex?
    Only if paid, and paid well!!!

    Are you best left alone?
    Yes, so I may get back to my mastubatorial practices…

    Are women stupid?
    Well, some are. Pat Harney, Mary Sue Chubbard, Krustie Alley, Kelly Preston, Laurisse Stuckenbrock, Jenny “suppressive acts!!” Linson, Anne “Do I look brainwashed to you?” Archer, the list goes on…. So yes, some women are straight up stupid!

    Do you have a secret desire to annihilate the opposite sex?
    Yes. But, then who would I mould penises from???

    Are you spied on?
    Probably by you, OSA.

    How powerful do you have to be to be successful?
    You must be powerful to usurp power from Pat Broeker!!

    Are other people necessary?
    Yes! David Miss-Cabbage needs people to build his custom-made apple-crates to stand on. Cuz he’s a midget.

    Have you squashed a thetan out of existence?
    I no-speaky-Scilonese!!! Long time!!

    Is life worth living?
    No, cuz we come back.

    Are you facing eternity with lack of hope?
    Naw, heroin got me covered!!

    Is there hope for man?
    Not if Scientology continues to “put ethics in” on this planet. Or something like that……

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      So, there once was this Scientologist who named his penis “Ethics.”

      • Taffy Sinclair

        But the unfortunate thing was that his penis was out-aesthetics…..

        your turn, let’s make a limerick!!
        or a haiku
        or something cool….

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          She once saw a penis named “Ethics”
          But the attached had too little aesthetics
          So she screwed up her eyes
          And loosened her thighs
          As he attempted to put in “Ethics.”

          • Taffy Sinclair

            You mean he attempted to “out 2-D???” Jo-berg Sek-Chek!!!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              If by out 2-D you mean bumping uglies
              Or other such smut whispered smugly
              You could guess at my reaction
              As I pedaled in retraction
              While hoping to go forward quite snugly.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I like you, Mike Leonard Tilse. You remind me of the 1st boy I ever danced w/ @ a school dance, cuz his name was Mike Leonard. He was big, handsome, and sweet. I know you must be as well!!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Blushing….
              Thank you for such a nice complement.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              He was also a bad boy!!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Bad boys are often thought less of
              But sometimes turn out to be best of
              It’s getting to know them
              And even going home with them
              To find if they pass your test of.

            • Taffy Sinclair

              You are quite talented, Mr Mike!!! I like yr limericks!!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Spring green about
              Dancing eyes inspire hope
              So, penis jokes

            • Missionary Kid

              I also knew a Mike Leonard in high school, but that was at least 55 years ago.

      • Puget Buckeye

        There once was a penis named Ethics
        I quickly deemed pathetic
        So I made an excuse
        Cut the dude loose
        Told him to read Dianetics.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Bravo!

          • Puget Buckeye

            Thanks!

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Hahaha…why didn’t I think of that one when I was a young $cilon!!? So funny!

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          It’s the purpose of the Sea Org! To “Put In Ethics!”

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Slam it in, if you’re a $ea Ogre!

          • Suddenly i understand the meaning of Low Conditions

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              The requirement to get stats UP!

            • And get out of Non-Ex

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      Oh my zenu, you are brilliant, taffy

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Thanx, max 😘

  • Vaquera

    I’m jonesin’ for a Sherb, Nat, Juicer, Fly, J3, Kestrel, Dodo, et al., o/t free skate.

    • flyonthewall
    • Vaquera

      And Nat, I miss Pictionary night.

    • Sherbet

      I’m here but heading for the last roundup. Well, maybe not the last roundup. But “free skate/rummage sale/all jokes must go” sounds good. Some night when all the stars are aligned.

      • Vaquera
        • Sherbet

          Oh, gosh, that was a classic!

          • Vaquera

            Tears of laughter steaming down my face, slapping the table with my head thrown back hilarious night.

            • Sherbet

              Absolutely! We have Observer to thank for posting ol’ Mustard Onesie Man.

            • Vaquera

              ^^^^^

            • Vaquera

              I know there’s a Miscavige shoop, but the original is my fav.

            • Sherbet

              Definitely. The guy looks so proud of his dorkdom.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            My first thought was Capt. Kirk in an alternate Sci-Fi universe:

            “TRONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!”

            • Sherbet

              My first thought was that he lives in his mom’s basement.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              He didn’t have the guts to outline further south. Thank Xenu.

            • Sherbet

              I have no comeback for that, because I’m laughing too hard.

        • Puget Buckeye

          I almost hate to say this out loud, but isn’t his leotard at little, um, snug?

          • Sherbet

            He’s darn proud of his electronics.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Electronics? Is that what they’re calling it nowadays? But he sure does look proud. Thankful he’s not any prouder.

            • Sherbet

              It was cold out.

            • Vaquera

              Shrinkage?

            • Sherbet

              Exactly. He has ED: Electron Dysfunction.

              And now that you kept me up longer than I intended, I’m outta here.

            • Vaquera

              You’re so flipping good.
              Nighty night.

            • Sherbet

              Gnite cowgirl et al.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Good night. And thanks for the laughs. Between you and limerick Mike, I’ve been laughing my fool head off!

            • Sherbet

              Mike takes it solo from here. Maybe Daisy will show up. Gnite.

            • Vaquera

              EHarmony profile pic.

            • Sherbet

              Dyin’ here!

          • Snippy_X

            The problem is more that he isn’t a Klingon.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Nah, he just uses a lot of talc.

        • Missionary Kid

          He looks like Ned, on the Simpsons.

          • Sherbet

            If Ned had a full leotard and a blue Sharpie.

            • Missionary Kid

              Shhhhh! Ned sneaks down into his basement at night and dresses up.

            • Sherbet

              He lights the neon only on special occasions, like his birthday and ComicCon.

    • Learning photography stuff and photo editing here.

      • Sherbet

        Cool. Were you always the smart and curious kid in class?

        • Not really. I was pretty dumb and average kid.

          Except in my 1st grade I was really fascinated and curious about Dinosaurs, I think it was first book ever I got from the Library, illustrations mostly. I still like cats better, but good memories.

          Second exception is when my Dad hired an Algebra tutor for me in the 9th grade I think, because I really sucked at fucking Algebra. And after couple weeks of tutoring, I managed to score best in my class.

          That’s about it. Photography it is.

          • Sherbet

            “Dumb” is definitely not the image we have of you.

          • Missionary Kid

            Little boys, particularly from the age of about 4 to 8, are fascinated with dinosaurs. I think it’s because they represent giant, powerful land creatures, and they want to be powerful themselves, so they glom on to dinosaurs.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Cats cost much less to feed. I don’t want to think about the litter box for a T-Rex, but I just did.

      • Vaquera

        And as recipients of your photo studies, we shall be the better for it.
        I’m eating Mike’s Hot Honey with a spoon followed by a red wine chaser.
        You win. xo

        • Puget Buckeye

          It sounds like you have the basic food groups covered!

    • Jimmy3

      I ordered a large sausage/black olive pizza and a large order of cheezey bread. For myself.
      Loneliness will never be so delicious.

    • Juicer77

      YEAHHHHHHH

  • New blog post on Flounder’s Observations – https://floundersobservations.wordpress.com/

    • iampissed

      Good read.

  • Shivani33

    This morning, my young grandsons didn’t want to leave their devices and video games to take their showers. I heard my daughter say to her 9 year old, ” you can play later. What’s taking so long?” He said, ” I’ve got to finish this or I’ll lose all of my progress.” A few minutes later, she asked again what was taking so long. It sounded to me like he said to his mom, “wait one more minute, park whore.”

    I was fit to bust and bit my tongue as he got into the shower. I asked my daughter very quietly if he’d just called her a park whore and where he learned such a thing. She cracked up laughing and told me that he was playing a game called Parkour.

    Then I got on the Bunker and saw these pictures of Kelly with Clay Irwin and then Joy Godzilla and decided that park whore isn’t a bad description after all.

    • A Parkour park whore takes you money and then runs away, up walls and over rooftops. Nobody can catch them.

  • Friendly Atheist Podcast: Ron Miscavige, Author of Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige, and Me

    https://soundcloud.com/friendly-atheist-podcast/ep-165-ron-miscavige-author-of-ruthless-scientology-my-son-david-miscavige-and-me

  • Lol – The Church of Scientology Tweets – you can’t make this up https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82a4fd117461ccb575441a39b3a5a69a9f3eb4f4dace0830c93ce8071d5563ae.jpg

    • Philbyification

      You might not be able to but they can. ;/

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I don’t get it…?

      • Puget Buckeye

        I don’t really get it either. I don’t know much about twitter, but I think where it says “Official…..tweets” is where they are supposed to put in something meaningful or of substance. And that’s all they could come up with. Pitiful.

        • Yes πŸ™‚ good explanation and see my own explanation further up!

      • a Church of Tweets? Did you make that Twitter account yet?
        eta: spelling flap!

        • Puget Buckeye

          You just said “titter” Freudian slip?

          • Liberated

            That’s what I thought, just didn’t want to say anything.

          • Ups! πŸ™‚

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Call me glib (Matt Lauer?) but I STILL don’t get it…

          • You know what a tweet is? – or i give up πŸ™‚

            • Taffy Sinclair

              yes, i do πŸ™‚ But a church of Scientology tweet, is there a pun i’m missing?

            • I think there is a Pun πŸ™‚ Hard to explain… I will try! If you put anything after “The Church of Scientology” like “The Church of Scientology Donkeys” or “The Church of Scientology Derps” you could probably imagine a room full of Derps? – So a Church full of Tweets πŸ™‚

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Which is to say: None.

  • Missionary Kid

    Could it be that the supposed $cientology photographer of Kathy Griffen’s Trump head picture did it to cause her harm because of what she says about $cientology? That is truly a conspiracy theory from the outfield.

    • Liberated

      I swear I thought the same thing.
      It makes no sense this guy (a scientologist) is working for Kathy.

      • Missionary Kid

        If there’s money in it, $cientology usually has no objection, as long as the employer doesn’t dis $cientology to the worker..

        • Liberated

          Well, I see this as “putting her together ” ….going after her because she is an outspoken enemy of the cult.

        • FredEX2

          MK, they are fully capable of ‘working for’ someone like Kathy Griffen who has made fun of Scientology in her comedy skits more than once. It wouldn’t be impossible…that a Scientologist, acting in a provocateur capacity ( covertly ) …might be encouraging her to do outrageous things that really cross the line and would ruin her career in the eyes of the public and cause doubt in her fans and those that endorse her. She may or may not have had the original idea for the photo shoot. It’s possible it was ‘someone else’…like a photographer…who came up with an idea for a photo shoot and ‘how funny it would be’…etc. If you read OSA’s manual there are procedures like this that they do in Fair Game…to lead a target public person to ruin. She has mocked Scientology and repeatedly made them a laughing stock and that’s the kind of thing that would make them find a way to ‘attack’ her…befriend her and lead her right down a path to her own destruction. I don’t know if it’s true in this case, but they do plan things out like this and go to extremes like this. Whether or not anyone encouraged it…the onus still remains with her. She should have known better than to go that far. I’m not a Trump fan, but that was just very wrong and not funny at all. It was upsetting.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Thank you. You answered a question I had about whether Scientology was capable of something this duplicitous. In my mind, such as it is, this “plan” seemed too sophisticated as compared to the noisy investigations and such that I’ve heard about. If this is indeed the case and a photographer talked her into this photo, I hope she raises holy hell as only she can. They may have baited the wrong person. This could backfire.
            I also agree that the photo was very wrong. Not a Trump fan, but this crossed the line.

            • FredEX2

              The thing is, if she tries to blame someone else for the idea…she will make herself look worse. ~ a ‘catch 22’ situation. She should have known better and said no. If it was her own idea, or not…she shouldn’t have done it.

    • Sherbet

      There have been times I found Griffin pretty funny and irreverent, and I can’t stand Trump, but it was such an icky picture. Even SHE said she went “too far.” It was just too violent for me. I don’t see conspiracy. I see really, really poor taste and not politically helpful at all.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Do you really think that’s a possibility? Are they smart enough for that? It seems that would be too duplicitous for them, thinking more than 2 or 3 steps down the line. And is there anything in LRH’s “playbook” that complicated?

  • Snippy_X

    Superb look for Mr. Pete, gotta say. πŸ˜€

  • Shivani33

    Kathy Griffin didn’t just get fired by Squatty Potty. CNN has fired her from her New Year’s Eve co-hosting gig with Anderson Cooper. Maybe if she’d grinned like a Volunteer Minister while she held the bloody decapitated head, she could be feasting on beans and rice tonight. She does look awfully hungry.

  • Snippy_X

    What’s going on with the homeless people?

    • Jimmy3

      They’re getting a head start on Scientology.

      • Snippy_X

        Now that’s expansion!

  • daisy

    Way off topic even more than usual. Has anybody bought a roomba vacuum cleaner , and if so does it work ?

    • ReallyMGM

      No, but I thought about buying one to make awesome cat videos.

    • Supper Powers

      Yes. It works but just to maintain. It’s not really a replacement. You still have to vacuum on occasion. It’s pretty annoying to listen to, but if it frees up some time in the day it may be worth it.

      • daisy

        My biggest need is short dog hair. I have to vacuum it everyday. I have another one for rugs etc. Do you know of any particular brand you might recommend ?

        We are probably going to have people in and out ( cannot wait and yes those are sarcastic brackets ) So I thought this might help at least one propblem. Thanks Sup

        • Supper Powers

          I’m only familiar with the Roomba. I’d be hesitant to buy a knock off, but if Dyson made a similar product may try that. Seems like it may a good idea of people will be coming and going and Fat Beagle is too damn lazy too pick up a broom every now and again.

        • My friend has a Roomba. It works well because he doesn’t have pets (allergies) and it can run ‘little and often’ while he’s out. However, its capacity for dirt is limited. He’s always emptying it and cleaning out the filters.

          Since you have a dog, take a good look at the size of the ‘dustbag’ before you buy. You might decide that you would fill that in half a day’s operation, and spend more time maintaining an expensive ‘labour saving’ device than you do vacuuming the old-fashioned way.

          • daisy

            Thanks OB.

          • daisy

            Thank-you Ob I didn*t realize they took so long to work. I bought a good stick vacuum instead. It only works when I do . Seemed like a fair exchange.

            • My mate’s Roomba is brilliant – it’s fascinating to watch it ‘learn’ the room, and go home to plug itself back in when the batteries run low.

              However, it’s expensive and best for people who don’t spend much time at home, and don’t have pets. Even then you need to take out the big guns now and again.

    • Vaquera

      My girlfriend has three dogs (and all that that implies) and a Roomba on both floors. She swears by them. I’ve been thinking about getting one based on her recommend.

      • daisy

        If could find out what kind or brand she uses , I woulf really appreciate it.

        • Robert Eckert

          If you have dogs it is absolutely necessary that their housebreaking be perfect. The roomba will smear any doggy accident evenly all over the floor.

        • Vaquera

          She’s already crashed for the night, but will find out tomorrow.

          • daisy

            Thanks so much, pleas do not go the any trouble.

            • Vaquera

              I’ve already sent a text. She’s not always the most prompt of friends, but will let you know.

            • Vaquera

              Ok. Heard back. (Surprise!)
              She said she got hers with a 20% coupon at Bed, Bath and Beyond. FWIW:
              “It’s loud and goes in a random pattern, but I do like it. it definitely keeps everything at bay, kind of like a small dog that eats crumbs. It has knocked over my antique music stand and I have had to change the schedule to a time when the noise doesn’t bother me. I’m thinking of buying a new one that goes in more of a rectangular pattern and is quieter.”

              Here’s a video comparing some of them.
              https://youtu.be/7lCPExt98GI

        • Supper Powers

          You are now in charge of the quarterly publication of the Bunker Consumer Report. Thank you.

          • daisy

            I belive I do that already. If the booze low I let every one know

      • Jimmy3

        What’s the deal with those things? They just automatically clean up after you and never bitch about your dogs?

        • Vaquera

          They never bitch about the bitches. They still bitch about the dogs.

          • Jimmy3

            Damn do I need a girlfriend.

            • Supper Powers

              Sounds like you may need more than one.

            • Jimmy3

              CowGal didn’t take the bait. My schtick is getting old and obvious. …
              but at least it…

              never mind.

            • Vaquera

              Nah. Once again your subtlety evaded me.

        • Puget Buckeye

          Yeah, kinda like DM’s staff.

        • daisy

          I know that when my tongue is furry in the morning at the bunker Serb will vacuum it. Maybe she can fit you in

    • Liberated

      I always wanted one cause my back hurts, but when it came time to buy I bought a Dyson.

      Roombas cost more, plus Dyson’s are light-weight and I like it.

    • Observer
      • daisy

        Thank Obs I was happy to find a down side before investing . The are expensive

    • Juicer77

      I have two very furry pets. Any Roomba at my house would not last 5 minutes. XD

  • PeaceMaker

    BREAKING NEWS: Clearwater in negotiations with Scientology for land swap

    This article shows up as dated tomorrow, June 1, and so presumably is in the process of being posted for tomorrow’s newspaper – the article itself is not available, just the title. Hopefully ISN will pick up on this when it actually posts. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07ae25374b06c82dc2ae5d139bbd67efefce363cba06fa26d656ea0da6ac95ad.jpg

    • Supper Powers

      Hmm.

    • Thanks. Will keep an eye out for it.

      EDITED TO ADD: Again, thanks. Got the search link: http://www.tampabay.com/search/?q=scientology

      I’ll be clicking that one minute after midnight Eastern time.

      • PeaceMaker

        You’re welcome. I figured you would know how this worked, as I’ve run into it before – but as of 1 am, still no article.

        I’m not a morning person, so I was hoping you would catch and post the actual publication tomorrow (well, now, today) before I did. It’s still better for you to post something like this, as you probably have lots of people who “follow” you. Thank you for your good work staying on top of the news, and posting it where it needs to be seen.

    • Snippy_X

      I hope the city doesn’t swap that waterfront property for some toxic pice of treeless ground the church wants to dump. Doesn’t sound like there is any way this would benefit Clearwater.

      • PeaceMaker

        I don’t think that Scientology is going to get away with anything, after the political and public resolve demonstrated in this last go-round.

        It might be a good deal for the city, if Scientology traded the Sandcastle, which is at the opposite end of the waterfront redevelopment area, for the parcel – the Sandcastle looks to me to be more strategically located, including real waterfront. And it would allow Scientology to start to shrink their far-flung footprint in the town, while still claiming “expansion.” It will certainly be interesting to see what is actually involved.

      • I_scream_truck

        Seems like it would also piss off the CMA something fierce.

        • Yes, IF we are talking about the former CMA property. That is not yet known. But if we are, the CMA left a lot of money on the table to ensure the property went to the City.

    • madame duran

      It seems to me that the cult leaders (wait…there’s more than one in Scientology?) are the ones trying to initiate a negotiation with the city, not that the city has either sought for or agreed to it. The TBT article isn’t available as yet so it’s speculation on my part. I don’t think any of the residents who attended the April 20th vote and expressed their favour of the city’s land purchase from CMA would be happy with any sudden compromises made with David Miscavige.

      • I watched the entire hearing and vote. Several residents specifically asked that the City Council NOT flip the property to the Church of Scientology.

        • Puget Buckeye

          I also watched the hearing and vote. And I don’t even pay attentions to City Council meetings in my own city! If this does indeed happen, I think there will be a massive uproar.

        • madame duran

          I watched it too. Clearwater council will face HELL if they make any decision without public consultation, backtrack from their agreement with CMA, or otherwise put Scientology ahead of residents.

          Let’s wait and see for the full article to be completed.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      And let me guess The staff writer may have pulled this story out of her arse or received an unverified tip from a person with a clammy odour. Because at the meeting they seemed pretty sure of their desire not to let them have the land.
      ” Leaders “? There is only one leader in scientology -The stunted petty little bitch aka Davey.

  • H. Keith Henson

    Close to 20 years ago I called a sample of people in Clearwater and asked if they would consider renaming the place to Xenu City. A clear majority were willing when they understood that the cult would have to leave town if they did that. It’s been a long time, but I would not be surprised if the same is true today.

  • Why is Scientology attacked? – Because of this ignorant Homo Novis!!! That’s why! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3b6df11a6e4e9ed4ded1ef78bca09d3e59b73091a51b7476be867437d1f94548.jpg

    • April

      There’s so much bullshit in there that I don’t even know where to start.

    • Philbyification

      Like Mary Sue and her Smarmy Friends? lol

    • Liberated

      Is that horseshit or what ?

    • Puget Buckeye

      Notice he starts his sentences with “from what I have experienced, from what I have read, from what I know”. As a former staff member, exactly how much could he have experienced, read or know? I would say his experience, reading and knowledge has been rather limited.

      • Philbyification

        Did he invent the Hokke Pokie?

        • Puget Buckeye

          No, because he doesn’t know what it’s all about.

          • Philbyification

            hee hee

      • it is taken right out of the Dianetics book, and a load of crap. It’s called Loaded Insinuations – and if you oppose to this shit you are automatically guilty of all those things and have everything to hide. – Take that!

        • Puget Buckeye

          Well, I guess I dun been told. Sec check for me.

          • Sec check – Have you ever been captured masturbating behind a door?

            • Puget Buckeye

              Captured? Well, they tried but the net had a hole in it and I was able to get away. So my answer is NO.

            • there you go – you found a perfect hiding for that sort of behavior πŸ™‚

            • Puget Buckeye

              yay me

        • Liberated

          Yep.

      • stanrogers

        One must keep in mind, as well, that experiencingness, readingness and knowingness are substituted for any actual experiencing, reading and knowing whenever possible.

    • Jimmy3

      I know from what I have experienced, and from what I have read, and what I know from their nature, that drug dealers hate the stance of Scientology. Whenever I’m like 10 bux short, I’m like dude, that’s that regging bro. You know about that regging. They’re out to get us, man. You have to float me on this because of that evil Scientology, you got me, right? And they know the score. They know the Scientology evil. And I’ve only had a knife pulled on me twice during these conversations.

      • Puget Buckeye

        All three of them?

        • Jimmy3

          Huh

      • You mean – I know from what tha fuck I have experienced, n’ from what tha fuck I have read, n’ what tha fuck I know from they nature, dat sticky-icky-icky dealaz don’t give a fuck bout tha stizzle of Scientology. Whenever I be like 10 bux short, I be like dude, thatz dat reggin bro. Yo ass know bout dat regging. They’re up ta git us, man. I aint talkin’ bout chicken n’ gravy biatch. Yo ass gotta float me on dis cuz of dat evil Scientology, you gots me, right, biatch? And they know tha score. They know tha Scientologizzle evil fo’ realz. And I’ve only had a knife pulled on me twice durin these conversations.

    • madame duran

      A Scientologist can audit a victim of pedophilia and allow the victim to recall all that happened and perhaps locate the perpetrator. For sure, the victims will be able to face up to and accuse the pedophile.

      Not true for rape victims, as the Danny Masterson case shows. Victims will be made to blame themselves for having caused the traumatic incident to happen based on past transgressions in previous lives…and to fork over tons of money for auditing to discover that.

    • Because Scientology has been so effective at dealing with pedophiles within their own ranks, right?

      • Liberated

        Just cover it up.

    • It shows how insidious and complete the mind control is. This guy is a dupe. From what I have experienced… From what I have read… From what I know… It’s all his opinion. There is a pattern here of assuming a position of authority whilst having none AND it’s all general with no specifics, just like Hubbard himself used to talk and write.
      “Drug dealers hate the stance of Scientology…” Really? Which drug dealers? Oh, that guy. Right.
      “Scientology is attacked because someone is scared…” Really? Who is scared? Oh that guy. Right.
      “A Scientologist can audit a victim…” Really? Which Scientologist, which victim? Oh yes, those guys. Right.
      The best bit is that Scientologists are wandering around, thinking for themselves, somehow stronger in some undefined way, uncovering the secrets of psychopaths. Really? Are they? Ah, right, now I get it. Right! The guy has been made utterly crazy whilst believing himself to be some kind of expert in something. Give him a certificate and take his photograph!

      • Actually, he doesn’t even answer the original question, why is Scientology attacked? It’s a non-answer. TRs in! LOL πŸ˜€

          • I love this guy! Once again he doesn’t answer the question. He needs a lesson on what constitutes proof and evidence as opposed to hearsay, anecdotes and bullshit. The drug (Scientology) works exactly as intended.

            • I am so going to have some fun with this character!

            • Andrew Robertson

              Ask him if the Auckland Ideal Org is booming and if not, why not!

              (He and I were at the same University about the same time though our paths subsequently diverged.)

              Andrew

            • Yeah.. I read up on his history .. Another SCAM artist on many levels with appeal to Authorities as Mr. Bird pointed out. That Auckland org is going nowhere. It is stereotypes like him, that has never done anything wrong or taken any chances in life. Except irritating the hell out of others. One of those “Nice” people who “Helps” He reminds me of Ned Flanders from the Simpsons. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/add07147f6915f6b32beff628ba4aa3b002a3dfc3a05e933c86dd384e908cbde.jpg

            • Mockingbird

              Sad. In Scientology Hubbard said to always attack and never defend. So they don’t answer questions.

            • There is also a subtle redefinition of words going on here.

              The critics who call Hubbard a psychopath are using the real, psychiatric definition. The Scientologist is responding as if they are using the self serving Scientology definition

              The Scientology version, of course, includes the whole catch-22 doctrine that states if you criticise any aspect of Scientology (especially the guru) you are only doing so because you are a SP (Hubbard’s redefinition of psychopathy) and have crimes that you are trying to conceal.

              This convoluted argument makes sense to the Scientologist only because he is not speaking the same language – moreover, the meanings he is attributing to the words of others are part of a twisted system that insures Scientology can never be wrong.

              The only way to communicate at all would be to spend hours defining your terms before you began – a kind of ‘word clearing’ that no Scientologist would undertake.

              When Scientologists say they are learning to communicate, they are doing the exact opposite.

      • Liberated

        Funny I know an OT crack addict (deceased) and a scien. pedophile raped his own daughters
        ( deceased ) and they got away with it constantly.
        Anyone who spoke out about it like me…was told she was nattering.

        I’m sorry I’m not going to HC…I would love to meet you !

        • Thank you, vice versa and likewise however from your above post you keep some pretty odd company! Natter on!

          • Liberated

            They’re dead, who cares, never really associated with them.

            • Glad to hear it! Pedo crack addicts and Scientologists? Whatever next? πŸ˜‰

            • WARNING! THIS VIDEO IS VERY DISTURBING. I AM NOT JOKING. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RtXZEg_00I

            • Taffy Sinclair

              What a piece of shit this Wally guy is… A true D.B.!!

            • FredEX2

              Oh Pete. I feel so angry & sickened by this. It’s child abuse…by a Scientologist…on tape.
              Family values~Scientology style. Why even bother with ‘silent birth’ and being careful not to give your child engrams…if you’re going to beat him and scream at him anyway? Bastards

            • Puget Buckeye

              Not going to watch.

      • Mockingbird

        Chris Shelton just did a great video on the idea of people falsely assuming authority and dismissing real authorities. I have found Scientologists and some exes fully embrace this approach myself.

        If I make a statement one doesn’t like they say I am not qualified so I quote an expert or several and they say I overly rely on authorities. So if a claimant who is not an expert is unqualified and all experts are inadequate then how can a claim be legitimate ? By that standard no claim can be so a Scientologist can say their ignorance is as legitimate as any knowledge.

        • Exactly! According to one OT V in Ireland, PayPal is a global scam and I am behind it! He told a student journalist this with such authority and conviction that I began to wonder if it was true. I realized it was bullshit when my mansion and yacht disappeared before my eyes πŸ™

          • It’s that momentary ‘wondering if it is true’ that is the basis of the con trick.

            Con artists rely on greed and a more plausible story (too good to be true, but still more plausible than Scientology).

            Scientology relies on drawing people into an isolated social situation as quickly as possible. Here they lose perspective, are subject to various manipulative practices – and are placed under considerable pressure to conform. This erodes the critical facilities, and solves the problem of the basic implausibility of Scientology’s claims.

            I think Scientology is a con trick with an special twist. It is the sincerity and confidence of previous victims that helps draw in new people. The con man is long dead, but the scam has taken on a life of its own.

            In that environment, you can believe three impossible things before breakfast and be praised for your great insight.

            • Ha ha .. I really can use the last paragraph!

            • You are welcome too (as long as you know it’s cribbed from “Alice in Wonderland”).

              “Alice laughed: “There’s no use trying,” she said; “one can’t believe impossible things.”
              “I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”/blockquote>

            • Great πŸ™‚ I posted your version on Twitter some hours ago and it sure got Leg’s already

          • Mockingbird

            So sorry about that. Losing billions must be tough. I have yet to get my money from Soros or SMERSH or big gravity. Hopefully they will come through some day.

    • madame duran

      Q: Why is Scientology attacked?
      A: Because it doesn’t like to take “no” as an answer. Like bullies. Like rejected lovers. Like dictators.

  • Liberated

    The Daily Show is so funny…they’re making fun of covfefe.

    It’s a National Spelling Bee and the word is …C-O-V-F-E-F-E.

    The kid got it right, and wins a job in the White House !

  • Vaquera

    Time to dream. Night Bunks.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4jyfV_-WAw

    add: I wanna sway with someone to this song.

  • Hmm, kind of a record for Florida closing a Study Tech front:

    Teaching Another Generation in Need, bang, inactive in less than a year for lack of an annual report.

  • Tony Ortega

    No way. We’re only a half hour from HowdyMonth.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Hey, I didn’t know we had a month? I know there’s HowdyCon coming up, but how shall we commemorate the rest of the month?

    • Pia Pill

      Tony, Is there still time to book a room at the hotel you arranged at the lower rate?? I would REALLY LIKE to go to HowdyCon …. you all don’t know me but I have been an online “lurker” for several years but I have been terrified to ever post any comments because I was afraid I would have been “eaten alive” sort of speak by everyone! 😊😊 At first I was undecided if I should come and meet everyone in person (I feel like I know everybody …. especially the people that leave comments regularly) but I also realize that since I have been “too chicken” to post anything (you guys can be really tough on the newcomers 😊), that nobody would know me and I might not (understandably) be welcome since I am a stranger …. but as the time is getting closer, I would really like to come and meet people. Am I too late to book a room? I would only be able to stay over 1 night so was thinking Sat to Sun but would I miss much of the activity? Would arriving late Friday evening (I would drive …. it would take me about 6 hours to get there) be better? I would appreciate any recommendations that anyone might have …

      I, myself, have never been affiliated with Scientology but have witnessed the devestation firsthand because someone very dear to me WAS AFFILIATED about 35 years ago and even now (approx 35 years later) they still experience the negative long-lasting effects so I want to learn if and how I can help them!! I read your site daily and listen quite frequently to various YouTube videos etc …

      • Sherbet

        Hi, Pia Pill. I don’t know if anyone answered your question.

        There’s a link directly below the HowdyCon shooped picture every day. “Go here to start making plans.” Click there.

        • Pia Pill

          Thanks Sherbet …. sorry for late reply; I got a TERRIBLE migraine. Will call the hotel. Thank you all for being so kind! πŸ™‚

        • Pia Pill

          Sherbet, I am trying to decide which “night stay” I should book; I was thinking arriving semi-early Saturday and leave Sunday. Since I have never been to any “Β₯Β₯Β₯”-Con functions I do not know what to expect (I don’t get out much 😊) … did you go to the first one? If so, do you think I am scheduling the best days to get maximum benefits?

          I went online to book a room and this was my expression when I found out the pricing: 😲😲😲😲😲😲😭😭😭😭😭😭 All I have to ask is ARE YOU ALL FILTHY RICH OR WHAT???? πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜† According to the website, the rooms are slightly over $200.00 a night! May I ask what the group rate that was negotiated for the attendees is/was because I will try to get that rate as well. Your thoughts? V/R Pia

  • John Prince

    captain pissypants : “maybe I can’t do anything about Leah’s Tidal Wave -tsunami but I’ll shut down that dripping Faucet Clay Irwin with one Phone call! ” πŸ˜‚πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜πŸ˜…

    • Puget Buckeye

      Yeah, and how’s that working out for you, captain? Clay’s getting the calls from the networks and you’re getting a big, fat nothing. ML, Me

      • John Prince

        Even his pet Wog-in-good-standing is showing him his ass 😯😭. ..hasn’t dawned on him that ol’ Clay’s caught on 😎. .doesn’t want/need john travolta &krusty ally at his Pub

      • Quick empathy

        Oh he is getting something…. More bad press!

  • Graham
  • OOkpik

    January, February, March, April, May, HOWDYCON, July, Aug…

    I’m already excited for those of you who will be going. <3

  • Clearwater in negotiations with Scientology for land swap. [NOT former Clearwater Marine Aquarium land.]

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/clearwater-in-negotiations-with-scientology-for-land-swap/2325713

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  • Too Much

    β€œThey offered to send the celebrities to my bar…”

    Who would that be? “C” Actor Kirstie Alley? πŸ™‚ Scientology does not have any “celebrities” other than David Miscaviage, and he won’t appear in public. (And who could blame him.)

  • Citizen123

    I live in downtown Clearwater and yes, there has been a dramatic uptick in the homeless. Not only that but the newer ones there are more hardcore druggie types. I’ve called the police non-emergency number several times for passed out homeless lying in empty store fronts downtown. Sad situation!

  • Sine qua non

    Hell hath no fury like a tavern owner scorned. Go get ’em, Clay!