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Google helps Scientology censor two more of our stories — maybe you can help us figure out why

Dennis and Simone, with their awesome trophy

Well, here we go again. You’ve heard from us in the past that since the Church of Scientology announced that it was such chummy partners with Google, we’ve had numerous stories here at the Underground Bunker de-indexed by the search engine giant.

And for you know-it-alls who send us technical babble about this stuff, yes these stories were previously searchable on Google, and no their removal was not always noted at the Lumen (formerly Chilling Effects) database.

All we know is, Google has tried to make several of our stories disappear, sometimes without the slightest indication to us why it was doing so. For example, the richest Scientologist in the world, Bob Duggan, managed to convince Google to remove our story about him and the unholy deal he made about his kids and the South African orgs. Go ahead, use any search terms you want and you won’t find this exact URL through a Google search, only social media about it. Duggan pulled that off by complaining about the art we used in the story, but it’s still de-indexed even after we replaced all the art with illustrations by our friend Chad Essley.

And just recently, we discovered that another story Google is trying to hide is one we wrote about Meghan Fialkoff, Scientology’s sneaky infiltrator of New York City schools, and gladhander of the New York Police Department. Like the others we’ve found, this story was removed from Google searches without any notification to us or explanation of what Google found offensive. It also isn’t listed on the Lumen database. Why was it de-indexed? We have no idea.

And then, this week we received notification from Google that two of our URLs are being de-indexed in Europe under its “right to be forgotten” data protection law.

Oh really? And what were those two stories? They were our most recent examinations of Scientology’s “whales,” the wealthy donors who are keeping Scientology afloat with their huge donations.

That, naturally, made us very curious. Who, we wondered, is unhappy that we have publicized their hefty donations to the Church of Scientology? After all, if they’re cutting giant checks as Scientology ends war, promotes literacy, and helps people get off drugs, why shouldn’t they be proud to be known for it?

As a service to those generous folks, we thought we’d provide their names and donation amounts again in this piece, just to make sure they get the credit they deserve.

From our August 8 story, “Whale watching update: Your 2016 mid-year guide to who’s propping up Scientology,” which you can no longer find in a Google search in Europe:

Patrons (cumulative giving, $50,000): Vincenzo Aloe, Beatrice Guignard, Elizabeth Doria, Margaret Mercado

Patrons with Honors ($100,000): Marlies Thuermer, Maurizio Polverini, Wendy Patten, Ghledis Carli, Stuart Guy, Connie Saunders

Patrons Meritorious ($250,000): Elizabeth Gonzalez & Frank Suarez, Shun Min Wang, Sheridan Cyrus, Yu Mei Lu, Louisa Chaubert, Leslie Brock, Paul Seymour, Karen & Eric Berg


Silver Meritorious ($500,000): Simone Hafenmayer

This Simone is from Germany — is she our complainer? Could be. Let’s continue.


Silver Meritorious with Honors ($750,000): Dennis Romeiser & Simone Lorenzen

Another Simone and this one is from Hamburg. We may be getting warmer. Let’s keep going.


Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Monika & Gerhard Lidl

Another German couple that gave a cool million.

To round out the richies from this story:

Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Salila Travers, who is from Austin


Diamond Meritorious ($5 million): Steve Wu & Lucia Kuo of Taiwan.

OK, so let’s take a look at our February 24 story, “Whale watching, 2017 edition: Who’s keeping Scientology from sinking?” the second story which is now de-indexed in Europe:

The Duggans got their new mega-trophy, this time for reaching “Diamond Invictus,” a status level that had to be invented for them because they donate more than anyone else.


But we have our doubts that the Duggans are the source of this complaint. Let’s keep going.


Diamond Laureate ($15 million): Alan and Sheila Atkinson-Baker

The Atkinson-Bakers own the national court reporting firm Atkinson-Baker, and figured prominently in our story about Brian Sheen. But they’re in Los Angeles, so let’s move on.

Patron Laureate with Honors ($11 million): Tom and Victoria Cummins and family (Florida)

Diamond Meritorious ($5 million): Jose Cardona and Heidi Fajardo and daughter Penelope Hernandez (Venezuela)

Diamond Meritorious ($5 million): Jim Bridgeforth (Florida)

Platinum Meritorious ($2.5 million): Venezuelan poet and heartthrob Eduardo Galan

Platinum Meritorious ($2.5 million): Gary and Peggy Patrick (Florida)

Platinum Meritorious ($2.5 million): Jose Llaguno and Rosa De Nobrega (Venezuela)

Gold Meritorious with Honors ($1.5 million): Actress and Tom Cruise friend Ruddy Rodriguez (Venezuela)

Gold Meritorious with Honors ($1.5 million): Kathy Feshbach (Florida)

Gold Meritorious with Honors ($1.5 million): Kourosh and Justin Maddahi (Iran and now in Los Angeles)


Gold Meritorious with Honors ($1 million): Hans and Maria Beekmans of the Netherlands, another European couple.


Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Cay-Dietrich and Inga Koehn, another wealthy couple from Germany.


Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Marcel Roelofs, a Dutch businessman.


Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Georg and Irin Kirsch, also of Germany

Gold Meritorious ($1 million): John Carey and Carol Klugman

Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Julio Marquez and Shigeru Saito

Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Herbert and Susanne Marks


Gold Meritorious ($1 million): Dennis Romeiser and Simone Lorenzen

Who’s this? Dennis Romeiser and Simone Lorenzen again, from Hamburg. Hm. Look at that.

And we also listed a lot of lower status folks in that story:

Silver Meritorious With Honors ($750,000): Dmitry Federov and Nina Reznikova, Ada Gentsel, Rudi and Claire Loehwing, Chieko Mabe, Marco and Ingrid Mayer, Wolf and Sabine Mayer, Alt and Emmett Osborn, Hans Ruscheweyh.
Silver Meritorious ($500,000): David Achilli, Richard Eisenboeck and Simone Hafenmayer, Stephen Kearney, William King, Linda Lagemann, Maria Lara, Giacomo Lopiparo, Warren and LeAnn Meyer, Heiko and Diana Paul, Giovanni Rusconi and Patrizia Brambilla, Paul and Amy Seymour, Yafit Toledo, Makob and Billie Wegmann, Fabrizio Zampetti and Sonia Guacci.
Patron Meritorious ($250,000): Andreas and Marianne Altheimer, Martha Ballestros and Javier Ramirez, Bruno and Mary Bergeron, Adrian Hayman, Aaron and Dani Kyro, Thorsten Overgaard and Joy Villa, Veronica Rodriguez Martinez, Rani Ronen and Orit Young, David and Jodi Weissberg, Jeff Wentzell.
Patron With Honors ($100,000): Carlos Alonso and Judith Francas, Marco Antonnuci, Ben, Peter and Helen Asberg, Davide Balconi, Manuel Burkhardt, Jose Cabrera, Henry Dornheim, Trinita Fitzgibbon, Helmuth Grimm and Lynette Barry, Blanca Hernandez, Hitoshi Ikeda, Martin Kanstrup, Mikhail Kulikov, Antonio Lombardi and Grazia Mannea, John and Marianne Marburger, Victor and, Alonso Mendoza, Andre Pierre and Denise-Joelle Devatine, Katharina Laiss Prinz, Francesca Rusconi, Matt and Alexis Salisbury, Diane and Paul Stein, Patrick and Dianne Stojak, Lars Winther.

So, what can we conclude after looking at both of the stories that Google does not want our European readers to see?

We learned that SIMONE HAFENMEYER of Germany has given Scientology at least $500,000 and was celebrated for it twice by the church.

We also learned that DENNIS ROMEISER AND SIMONE LORENZEN of Germany have given Scientology at least $1 million in donations.

Let’s take another look at them again…


This is Germany’s Simone Hafenmeyer, who has given the Church of Scientology at least $500,000 in donations.


And this is Hamburg’s Dennis Romeiser and Simone Lorenzen, who have given the Church of Scientology at least $1 million in donations.

Which one used European law to get our stories de-indexed there?

If only we knew.


Nation of Islam — On a Bridge to nowhere?

You may remember this photo we posted a few days ago. It’s from a Dianetics Day celebration at the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, Florida, and it shows Nation of Islam member Nayyirah Muhammad with two of Scientology’s biggest celebrities, Kelly Preston and Kirstie Alley…


We’ve noted in the past that in Scientology’s odd interaction with the Nation of Islam, NOI members have for the most part restricted their participation to “Book One” Dianetics, the original stuff L. Ron Hubbard came up with way back in 1950. But a few NOI members, like Ms. Muhammad, have enthusiastically jumped into Scientology itself. She’s supposed to be NOI’s first female “Clear,” according to her own social media pronouncements, which is why Preston and Alley may have posed with her.

And now, one of our tipsters points out that Nayyirah has just posted proof that she’s completed Expanded Grade 1…


As our tipster points out, this seems odd. It would be a little like someone who has just finished high school going back to complete middle school rather than moving on to college. You would expect Grade 1 to be completed before going Clear, and after Clear you would expect a Scientologist to immediately move on to the “OT” auditing levels.

Our tipster raises an interesting question — Are the members of the Nation of Islam doing everything in Scientology except the OT levels, because the space opera stuff in the OT levels (Xenu and his galactic genocide 75 million years ago, etc., as well as the trillion-year-old incidents of OT 2) is in too much conflict with the Nation of Islam’s own wacky cosmological stories?

Hm. That is an interesting theory. Does the Church of Scientology have NOI members on a hamster wheel, having them redo lower levels and keeping them from completing the Bridge to keep their heads from exploding? That is a fun question for our technical types. Let us know what you think.


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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,758 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,861 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,355 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,395 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,107 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 633 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,722 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,862 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,182 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,157 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 513 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,815 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 922 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,324 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,197 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 778 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,283 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,527 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,636 days.


3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on May 22, 2017 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield


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  • PappeKak

    “Does the Church of Scientology have NOI members on a hamster wheel,
    having them redo lower levels and keeping them from completing the
    Bridge to keep their heads from exploding?”

    I think the clams realize that there is more money to be taken from them lower down on the bridge to nowhere.

  • sizzle8

    Interesting Wikipedia article about Google censorship:

    • WhiteCentauress

      Seems like they’re saying they are censoring because of certain laws in different countries. Is that how you understood it?

      • sizzle8

        Yes, but I’m sure there’s more to it.

  • nottrue

    Nixon ” I know I was a bad boy but what about this DickHead.”.. .. .

    • WhiteCentauress

      He has that trapped animal look…Hopefully, we will be seeing much more of that.
      (Points for the “Dickhead” pun!)

    • Mick Roberts

      Yeah Mr. President, but that particular DickHead, unlike you, never got his subordinates to burglarize a place to try to gather intel on his opponents, he never secretly destroyed evidence, and he never claimed to have no knowledge of any criminal activities in his…….oh, wait……

    • Puget Buckeye

      DM kind of looks like Warren Jeffs in that picture.

    • balletlady

      Looks like DM just smelled a FART….(or passed one & will blame a “clam” for it……i.e. “Whoever smelt it dealt it”….

      • April

        He looks worried to me.

        • balletlady

          Yeah….worried someone smelled his fart

  • The unprepossessingly-named ‘Dogpile’ search-engine — worth resorting to anyway when Googlequisling fails to come up with the goods — still seems capable of finding all the de-indexed stories.

    • Sherbet

      “Googlequisling” Hahaha.

    • April

      Dogpile has been around since the mid to late 90’s. It was my search engine of choice before Google came along.

  • WhiteCentauress

    “Twu Wuv….”
    Being the ultimate Narcissist is all about who you love….

    • Sherbet

      Nicely done.

      • flyonthewall

        Miscavige looking in and Hubbard in the reflection

      • WhiteCentauress

        Wow…..Like Pseudo-father, like Pseudo-son….Narcissism runs in the Scientology family.

    • balletlady

      DM says: “Mirror Mirror on the lake, my good looks are hard to take…..gggeeezz, I am so damn awesome & handsome, no wonder everyone hates me, they’re all jealous!’

      • WhiteCentauress

        Yeah, right, he would rationalize that way, because it could not be anything he has done…

  • i can understand TO’s frustration over a “hidden” URL, however, when i search “Bob Duggan Scientology” from a clean Google browser i still end up Underground:

    pretty much the same results when i search on Bing, and same goes for searches for either of the Simones (although there seems to be at least a few other Simone Lorenzens)

    • Sherbet

      I know. Can the church please take the Kardashians or the Duggars and leave the Irwins?

    • gtsix

      Free choice. If she wants to get in to a high cultrol group, she’s a grown up. Her choice (love-bombed or not, she’s 18).

  • JJ

    Havin’ a yard sale to make some money to buy my mom a new dryer, cover the $900.00 Roto Rooter bill and pay for the water heater that lived a good long life (1968) and died right on top of termite damage and all the rest. Not gonna make much of a dent in it. Maybe I could start a religion/Ponzi scheme and tel people the more they give the better they live and that they can lord it over the monkeys in an exclusive little club for the uber saved…
    If the 98 Doge Grand Caravan breaks down…I may really set up patio furniture on that back porch to infinity (solvency).

  • Ann B Watson

    Those Whales just keep on paddling in circles. Your pockets are deep but there is a bottom. Google is similar to many sites on the Internet. Browser beware is what I have learned. When it comes to Scientology & greased palms they are the most OT in that ability, your money vanishes instantly for life! 💔💛

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    After reading today’s post I imagine most of the Scientology whales looking/acting like this:

  • nottrue

    ” For a Billion Year Contract I think we should get free Cigs and coffee.”..” Oh shit.. do you think that camera picks up sound ” ..

    • Newiga

      “I signed a Billion Year Contract and all I got was this lousy ill-fitting uniform… Wait, I didn’t. I had to pay for the uniform myself.”

    • Ann B Watson


    • Harpoona Frittata

      My, my…cult kids captured on cam, looking for all the world like valet parking attendants on break.

      Do you think that when these fluffy young cultists observe their much older $ea Org colleagues lives that they ever think: Gee, if I stay in until I’m that old, I’ll be as worn out and depressed as they are?

      I doubt it; I imagine that they’re all quite convinced that, by then, they’ll all be super-powered Oatees and all the current entheta swirling around their cult will have long since died away.

      Sorry, cult kids, this criminal syndicate is going down fast, but before it dies it’s going to prey on everyone who’s still in even more intensely than it already has! Better get out now, while the gettin’ is good 😉

      • balletlady

        What is truly sadder than sad is that these born in kids KNOW nothing else….this sheltered sequestered lifestyle is ALL they will ever know as they remain under the watchful eye and “care” of those who will rule their young lives, possibly forever.
        Children LEARN what they live, if they see their grand parents, parents, & others seemingly OK with this life, they will be OK with it too.
        Let’s not forget that FEAR is a great intimidator, as many here have stated, being placed in the “HOLE” for an undetermined amount of time is a big enough threat to keep someone on the “right track” to pleasing the COB.
        It is just like the FLDS who train & raise females from birth that it is their JOB…their DUTY to bow down to a man, be available for sex 24/7 & provide as many children as possible so the man can “get into heaven”, like many other so called religions.

        Only when someone or something wakes them up & if they have the strength of character to LEAVE will they find out there is another way of life. Since they are barred from what most other young people have access to, just like the FLDS young ones, THIS is all they will ever have an opportunity of see..

    • GfldedKim

      This pic makes me sad..

      • Marshall

        me too! I know the cult is shrinking but I keep seeing new fresh faces all the time. Sad

        • GfldedKim

          The young people…ugh. Yes, probably 2nd generation but I keep hoping because our young are so much smarter and more tech savvy then they used to be, it’s probably just wishful thinking on my part, that they would break away.

    • Sherbet

      She reminds me of Jenna Elfman.

    • April

      I’ve never worked in an office setting where the coffee wasn’t free. But then again, I’ve never worked for a money grubbing cult.

    • Noesis

      That picture has always seemed disturbing.

      It it reminiscent of some of the 1920’s to early 30’s photographs of the Brown Shirts in Germany when Nazi’s were menacing, but not yet in control of the government.

      They tended to be young, relatively uneducated and otherwise directionless, except for their activities coalescing around an up-and-comer named Hitler. In society at large they were disparaged, but when clustered among their own ranks they behaved as hooligans, harassing and eventually assaulting those who disagreed with their “philosophy.”

      As they gained power, they became much worse as they eventually took over the police, the courts, the banks, the military and then there was no one left (domestically) to check their power.

      The best time to end a tyranny is well before it gets out of hand.

  • WhiteCentauress

    Tony mentioned this yesterday. Went to see about the Irwin’s Scientology connection at Artoo45’s link and found this. Laughed hard…..

  • Late to the party, but here’s a thought I don’t think anyone else has pointed out:

    This is what the mighty and once-feared OSA has come to. “Striking a mighty blow” against suppressive persons (SPs) now involves getting two of the millions of critical articles about Scientology removed from the index of a search engine in Europe. No more carefully orchestrated operations like smearing Paulette Cooper and attempting to drive her to suicide, surveilling Mike Rinder or Marty Rathbun via concealed cameras, or handing out leaflets at the workplace of protesters. Just spending weeks finding a potential story and filling out an automated form at

    This sounds like a case of “revenge of the timid and passive aggressive” rather than the OSA of old. I can just imagine one of the OSA bots, trembling, going before Miscavige and saying, “after months of research we were able to ‘disappear’ two of Ortega’s articles, so we’ve knocked our ‘entheta purged’ stat into the stratosphere for this week.”

    *Yes, I know that Tony has been subject to real and significant “fair game” operations in the past and I’m not minimizing the evil in that.

    • Ann B Watson

      Hello John P. Thank you for your piece. ❤️

    • richelieu jr

      FWIW, I did mention on these boards the other day that the Scilons have been making themselves pretty visible of late, more than I have seen in a decade or more at least.

      Without going into details, this involves pamphleteering (of guess what amazing Literature?), trash stealing/buying, employer and daycare contacting to imply sleazy bullshit, and some bam-handed (but effective) computer hacking.

      Some of his has been my own experience,the only even whiff I have had of harassment from them since the threatened lawsuits of yore… It is certainly worth noting that I have gone little besides post here, cheer on Anonymous back in the day, post a bit on FB, help organize Tony’s much appreciated (if under-attended) visit with Jonny a while back, and repeatedly fail to move seriously forward with my little documentary project.

      I have certainly never known anything on the scale of Pretty much any of my friends here, and certainly nothing like the slander, threats, let disappearing ( I always wondered if just for a second in Fatal Attraction Anne Archer wondered if Glenn Close’s character was a fellow Scilon, or OSA.

      So they have either got a MAJOR amount of idle time on their hands, a lot of real small-thinking exes trying to make their way back I’m the alphabet soup ladder of nonsense back into the cozy Cyst of Hubbard’s greasy puss-filled abscess off a religion, and their strike against an enemy merely means inconveniencing and intermittently annoying a guy who really doesn’t like them, but foes precious little about it. It osmile Tom Cruise organizing a protest in order to shout down a drunk guy in a bar who really hated The Mummy and called it ´Tom Dummy ´over a pinte on Tuesday down the pub.

      Or they’ve mistaken me for someone else- I’ve finally totally cracked and am
      Seeing and hearing things (always apossibility!) … they do have TEAL problems to deal with from their anonymous “Walk of Shame” Celeb Centre, Nicky eclipsed by the neighboring moped store ànd boutiques called (I kid you fucking not!) ‘Les Martiens’ àd SP Alimentation (a grocery store)…

      Somebody either gave them money, New Scilon worker bees. Or kicked their stupid anthill harder than I have ever been able to.

      Still interested if anyone knows why….


      *(This is more like High School crap– someone telling someone telling someone who knows your Prom date that you have genital herpes, or worse- Advanced Miscavigitis Micro Penosity, Copeland with an acute case of Hubbardian Halitosis topped off by a pulsing’ hideous Sebascepus Cyst which she will be obliged to carry in her body for the entire Prom weekend or be obliged to suffer either an hour alone in a room with Mike Pense and an invasive vaginal echography wand and a pile of Highlights Magazines, followed by an endless interrogation by Mrs Pense as to what you did to her poor’ helpless Veep of a Man OR fifteen minutes in a golden elevator with POTUS, no holds barred, followed by a soothgin tongue bâth in Chris Christiés personal baignoire, as He demonstrated the ‘gastric kill switch’ That He is buying with all the savings hell get from the Trump Health Care Plàn, instantly dumping the contents of his stomach (a suckling pig, apple in mouth, Two complete cherry pies, three dozen pop-tarts’ and strange Orange viscous fluid that he insists repeatedly is “Just a new sort of ‘Tang’, you know, like the astronauts drank!” as Rudy Gîuliani cackles from another room, “Yeah right, when your a celebrity, You can make people swallow it!”)

  • cjsa hm

    it shows Nation of Islam member Nayyirah Muhammad with two of
    Scientology’s biggest celebrities, Kelly Preston and Kirstie Alley…

    Wow if Kristie Alley is considered one of your biggest celebs than they need to start some serious recruiting efforts in Hollywood.

  • Venezuela is in a state of crisis. As a country it is is in
    shambles A worsening economic crisis with astounding hardships on the
    poorer majority. Blackouts, looting, homicide.

    But, as Tony O noted in today’s blog, the cult of Scientology got their
    cash from whales in the country to add to their stock piled money. Shameful

    Platinum Meritorious ($2.5 million): Jose Llaguno and Rosa
    De Nobrega (Venezuela)

    Gold Meritorious with Honors ($1.5 million): Actress and
    Tom Cruise friend Ruddy Rodriguez (Venezuela)

    Diamond Meritorious ($5 million): Jose Cardona and Heidi
    Fajardo and daughter Penelope Hernandez (Venezuela)

    Platinum Meritorious ($2.5 million): Venezuelan poet and
    heartthrob Eduardo Galan

    • Sherbet

      What a waste of money.

  • Mason Pierce

    This came up in my MSN feed earlier…any truth to it or something to possibly look into?

  • Joe

    OT: New interview with Leah, I think!

    • Sherbet

      It’s a good interview, although Handler makes my skin crawl. I don’t know why. She just rubs me the wrong sort-of-like-Roseanne way.

      • Joe

        I agree, I hate how she always interrupts her guests.

    • Gus Cox

      Ah, that’s effin’ great! Leah rocks.

  • J. Swift

    Austrian artist Gottfried Helnwein does not want to be identified as a Scientologist. And yet in his incredibly brilliant Epiphany (Adoration of the Magi), the officer on the right hand side of his painting undeniably bears the features of a younger L. Ron Hubbard. This would make the child David Miscavige. This leads me to ask if Helnwein was unconsciously, or perhaps deliberately, projecting a message about Scientology. I ask because Helnwein could have easily painted the features of the officer differently. It is very hard to find much information online about Scientologist Gottfried Helnwein. IMO, Helnwein has had many stories of his Scientology involvement systemically deindexed.

    • Sherbet

      That’s a painting? It’s incredible. Very haunting but that’s the intent.

      • J. Swift

        Helnwein is a remarkable photorealist. This piece is oil and acrylic on canvas. Helnwein’s own website says of this painting:

        …The work also alludes to the humanity of God on the one hand and the of the racist superhuman (Übermensch) ideology of the Nazis on the other. In spite of its analogy, in form to the medieval subject of painting, it differs widely from the archetype in its distance and strictness, and in the gracefulness and gestures of the mother and child group, oriented towards the female ideal of the Third Reich; the purpose is the intended effect. The heterogeneity of the scene and the ambivalence of its interpretability lend to the painting something extremely depressing….

        So my next question is this: How does Herr Helnwein reconcile Übermensch to the Scientology ideals of Homo Novis and Planetary Clearing?

        • Sherbet

          It’s sort of the same thing, as long as there is only one ubermensch, and that’s lrh.

          • J. Swift

            Gottfried Helnwein is well known to my generation for having painted the piece that became the cover of Scorpions 1982 album Blackout.


            • J. Swift
            • Sherbet

              Intriguing artist, scientology notwithstanding.

            • J. Swift

              In yesterday’s Bunker installment, Tony posted a piece about literary critic David Willis examining the ways in Dianetics and Scientology have influenced William Burroughs and Aldous Huxley, the subjects of Willis’ two books on the topic.

              I intently read Willis first book on Burroughs. I read Naked Lunch at least once a year as I consider it a literary marvel. I liked Willis’ book. My only criticism is that Willis doesn’t possess enough of a depth perspective on Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.

              I find it hard to separate a Scientology artist from Scientology as Scientology bleeds into their work. In a more extreme manner, Mr. Farrakhan has become a hardcore doctrinaire Scientologist and so his denial of being a Scientologist rings hollow.

              For tactical and business reasons it seems that many Scientologists want to publicly distance themselves from, or publicly disavow, Scientology. Hence, Tony’s stories get deindexed.

            • Sherbet

              1. I have never read futurist writers like Burroughs, but I think I might have read Huxley back in high school (and forgot every word, it was so long ago). I’m not a particularly deep reader, but I suppose I should be, the world being what it is. Maybe I’ll find some clues or answers to what the hell is going on and who predicted it.

              2. I guess the church can’t list its monetary gifts and say each donation was made by “Anonymous.” That wouldn’t read well at all.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, dear!

            • J. Swift

              This is what happens in the Scientology Cult when you don’t donate immediately. It’s called the Handling Counter Intention Rundown and is designed to terminatedly handle any CI on Scientology’s need for more money.

            • Sherbet

              Heck, I’m not a scientologist, but if they come at me with forks, I’m gonna empty my pockets for them.

        • sizzle8

          He was on the cover of Celebrity magazine 225, mid 1980’s I think.

        • pluvo

          Jeff, the superiority is more viewed as being superior like the Jedi, fighting evil forces (like the Galactic Patrol) despite that Hubbard’s writing and policy show the

          • J. Swift

            Pluvo, I don’t see it that way. High level Sea Org work to take over the planet, lay down the law, safepoint the Scientology Cult, and destroy SP’s. If Hubbard or Miscavige had the power, SP’s would be silenced and executed. As for wealthy publics, they are clearly status-obsessed people who like getting their asses kissed by the Sea Org regges who fawn over them for money. They want status. If they imagine themselves as Jedi then they are lost in a world of pretend.

            • Ann B Watson

              Following this thread. J.Swift 😘😘😎

      • flyonthewall

        I don’t get it. Creepy nazis and one of them is staring at that baby’s dick. What am I missing?

        • Sherbet

          Perhaps you’d prefer Helnwein’s lesser known work, Nazi Dogs Playing Poker, on velvet.

          • flyonthewall

            the technique is cool, how it looks like a photo but is a painting. It’s got a nazi fetish vibe though, don’t like it

            • Sherbet

              This is what I see, and it’s all subjective: The woman is the Aryan ideal. The baby isn’t. He’s dark and Hitleresque. The admirers are paying homage to the messiah who will lead them to world domination. At the same time, some of them are repelled at the idea, as is the viewer (me). There also is a subtext that there is no God. That our gods are human, but no less powerful.

            • J. Swift

              The gospel story of the Magi coming from the East to offer gifts the baby Jesus and the holy mother as they lay in the manger in Bethlehem became a recurring theme in medieval art. Botticelli’s Adoration of the Magi set the standard for the motif. Helnwein appropriated this piece of classical medieval iconography and reinterpreted it in terms of the Nazi ideological framework of Übermensch. That is why Helnwein’s piece is so brilliant and disturbing.

              Here is Botticelli’s original:


            • flyonthewall

              Ok, I get what he’s going for and I recognize his skill but I still don’t like it. Makes me want to puke.

            • J. Swift

              Art can do that. Helnwein wanted this piece to be disturbing. Born in 1948, he grew up in Austria in shadow of the collapsed Nazi Third Reich. Anyone I’ve ever known who grew up in that shadow has had profound difficulties coming to terms with it. And yet, at least for me, Helnwein’s piece also speaks to the epochal inhumanity and hypocrisy of Christianity over against its mythology of holiness and salvation.

            • flyonthewall

              you think he’s criticizing both Christianity and Nazis? That’s an interesting take

            • Sherbet

              I don’t get your last sentence, but, as I said earlier, it’s all subjective. And I don’t know much about art, or as we New Englanders say, “aht.”

            • Kestrel

              This is why I prefer landscapes. Well, this and the fact that I feel at home with landscapes.

            • Sherbet

              Fruit in a bowl. Or maybe melting watches. Elvis and bullfighters. There’s my decor.

            • Kestrel

              Next time I make a run for the border I’ll snag a couple of black-velvet beauties. One Elvis and one “Dogs Playing Cards?”

            • Sherbet

              Please. Or a big-eyed peasant child. Those are always classy.

            • Kestrel

              I know just the one.

            • Sherbet

              Then he hit the right note. Looking at Nazis, knowing what they stood for, dishonoring a traditional Christian theme should make you want to puke.

            • flyonthewall

              it’s not the dishonoring a Christian theme that bothered me, I didn’t know about that classical painting. It just looks too reverent of nazis to me, that’s what bothers me.

            • Sherbet

              I see it differently, that you’re supposed to be creeped out by the Nazis, that they ARE creepy and irreverent.

              Doesn’t matter, though. I like your Lego art.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Fly, you’re not supposed to like it; you’re supposed to find it deeply disturbing on a level that words generally can not adequately convey…which is exactly why it’s such masterful art, especially if you’re familiar with both the Third Reich and the iconic painting by Leonardo da Vinci, “Adoration of the Magi,” to which this work directly alludes. (see here

          • daisy

            Ha ha ha , thank you. I needed that huge laugh.

          • ExCult.Jan

            Wow, that was a great mental shoop.

        • Robert Eckert

          And now on Schprockets is the time for Germany’s most disturbing home videos

        • ExCult.Jan

          Not just any creepy officer is staring, the creepist one with LRH’s features is.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      It’s beautiful and so exquisitely rendered that it appears to be a photograph.

      $cilons almost never create anything truly masterful in any of the creative mediums that they choose to work in, but when they do it’s only fair to give them the credit that they’re due.

      • J. Swift

        IMO, Gottfried Helnwein is just as conflicted about Scientology as is the Nation of Islam. His own daughter Mercedes Helnwein said of Scientology in an interview, “To me, it’s just a tool you can use in life. People view it in a strange way.There’s lots of false stuff circulating about it, but it’s a totally separate thing from my art.” ref:

        Mr. Farrakhan of Nation of Islam recently stated in a speech, “I’m just setting the record straight. I’m not a Scientologist but I respect L. Ron Hubbard.”

        As I see it, the issue is not an either/or. Rather, Scientology is a tortured contradiction that is incapable of resolution due to its lack of internal coherency. Hubbard himself could never resolve Scientology. It was all a GPM for Hubbard, particularly in his final weeks of life.

        If Hubbard could not resolve Scientology, then no Scientologist will ever overcome this contradiction. Rather, Scientologists are trapped by and in the contradiction of Scientology. RandomSP made an exit statement today in which he or she unapologetically both embraced and rejected Scientology. IMO, this exit statement expressed an intrapsychic negotiation and resolution that settled at a midpoint of tension within the Contradiction of Scientology. This midpoint of tension is affirmation in part and negation in part. Inasmuch as RandomSP acted to protect family, I salute what he or she did and wish them nothing but the best for the future. Sometimes one just has to walk away from it all. I truly understand walking away.

        Because David Miscavige embodies the banality of evil, he has used an aesthetic of gouache mediocrity to flatten Scientology into a vicious circle of greed and status. Surely someone of Herr Helnwein’s artistic powers must recoil in horror when he sees Miscavige’s Nuremberg Rally stage sets. I would like to see Helnwein do to Scientology what he so unsparingly did to Mickey Mouse and the Virgin and Christ Child.

        • pluvo

          I like Miscavige’s altar, column and Roman emperor phase. It was showing so clearly his megalomania.

        • sizzle8

          Julian Schwartz needs to haul in Helnwein and Farrakhan and straighten out their namby-pamby, out KSW comments.
          Nothing a litttle MEST work won’t fix.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Found some excerpts from Peter Reichelt’s 1997 book, “Helnwein and Scientology, Lies and Treason,” along with commentary, here

          Helnwein is just the kind of artist that lil davey would find completely incomprehensible and, as a result, feel directly threatened by him. But given Helnwein’s deep background in all things Nazi, there’s almost no way he could abide Dear Leader’s Nazi-themed stage sets either, even if it was clear that lil davey had no conscious understanding or intent to make such direct allusions to the Third Reich. They’re like $cilon matter/anti-matter twins!

          I’m not finding any recent mention of Helnwein continuing to be on services anywhere in $cilandia, so perhaps he and his wife, Renate, have quietly distanced themselves from the cult after arriving at the tippy top of the bridge only to find a long line of regs waiting for them there – loitering with the intent to further defraud – and they, like so many other inactive Oatees, had finally had enough.

          In any event, it would be interesting to find out more about this remarkably talented artist who has had his quote about Elron being man’s best friend inscribed in marble, while being on record repeatedly denying he’s a $cilon…such extreme contradictions are welcome in the art world, but absolutely verboten in $cn.

          • pluvo

            Very interesting. Also this about the real number of membership of Scientology.

            “NEWS,” the Viennese news magazine, reported a sensational event in its 41/96 edition under the title of “THE GURU? – Painter Gottfried Helnwein.” It contained Helnwein’s membership application for Scientology! It was supposed to mean that Gottfried Helnwein had been a “member of Scientology” in 1987. The article contained a facsimile of an original “Application for membership into the International Association of Scientologists (IAS),” signed by Helnwein. It was dated March 14, 1987. The Helnwein couple were accepted into the IAS Scientology Organization in England, membership numbers 38764 and 38765.

            The 8 Million Members – Lie

            That is also evidence that the number of Hubbard adherents worldwide in 1987 was not much higher than 40,000 (!); by 1997, a total of not more than 70,000 membership numbers had been given out – not, as continues to be falsely propagated by its management, 8 million members worldwide. Another incredible exaggeration for propaganda purposes!

    • stillgrace2

      I think the woman resembles both Lisa Marie Presley and her mother.

      • flyonthewall

        i think she looks like a MILF

    • Jimmy3

      Are you sure that’s Miscavige as a baby?

      *does a zing jig*

    • pluvo

      Just for info: Some things with the Helnwein story are very strange. In the service completions he is listed till 1989 *. In German TV* he says:I have no position or a post and no function or active membership in any sect, especially not in Scientology. This is therefore an affidavit. This is in the category of no-answer to twist and misdirect.

      What he says is basically true. The IAS membership is passive and he has no posts – and Scientology does reject being a sect (cult) and calls itself a church in Germany although it is registered there as a cooperation and not as a church, AFAIK. But what he doesn’t say is: “I’m not a Scientologist.”.

      There is also shown an affirmation signed by the President of the CoS of Germany (who was working in OSA, AFAIK) that he wouldn’t have any functions in the CoS (only part of it is visible). Now – if he would be an ex-Scio he would never have received such an affirmation.


      **video, alas only in German and not subtitled/just to keep for reference:

    • willloomis

      Not that brilliant, looks like he photo shoped so old SS photo’s to be next to a chick with a baby.

  • Besides trying to censor Tony, how long before these Kraut whales revert even more to crude national stereotypes — my guess being mostly STASI with a touch of the Reeperbahn…

    • Sherbet

      How welcoming and cheerful. No, that’s not creepy and forbidding at all.

    • John Prince

      Sehr Gut. .Ausgezeichnet! !!

  • Ree..Pete

    I hate you Google, you don’t have the effing rank to deindex my searches….(((default search engine changed to duckduckgo)))

  • nottrue
    • Hey Phil? The phone is ringing 🙂

  • Abracadab

    You wrote “Go ahead, use any search terms you want and you won’t find this exact URL through a Google search”, so I took that as a challenge. I did a Google search for the first seven words of the story, in quotes (“Gentle readers, we have an unusual and”) and sure enough, the article comes up, as the fifth article on your page of Bob Duggan topic articles.

    Another search that worked was Bob Duggan , a form of search that directs Google to search only on a specific site.

    Seems to me that if you know what you’re doing, you can get Google to show you those articles. But a CASUAL search won’t turn them up.

  • Sherbet

    OT: Do any of those whale women have a few extra bucks left to buy a good, sturdy bra? I mean, really!

    • No ad mamminem attacks.

      • Sherbet

        Maybe I’m envious. (I’m not.)

    • Liberated

      You read my mind.

    • EmmaDaoust

      They don’t see the gravity of the situation.

      I was going to say something about Kirstie’s outfit – that no woman over 20 should wear a “cold-shoulder” top – but I won’t.

      • WhiteCentauress

        You are too kind….

      • Kestrel

        Cher may beg to differ.

        • EmmaDaoust

          If she could turn back time.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        I’ll follow your very polite example there and refrain from mentioning that Krusty seems to have attained the resting facial appearance that she deserves 😉

    • April

      Big boobies are nice to look at, but they are also a curse. Source: Myself.

  • Jgg2012

    “Does the Church of Scientology have NOI members on a hamster wheel” I suspect that NOI uses Scientology to launder money, with its maze of corporate entities and overseas slush funds, protected by its non-profit status. I have no evidence, but it makes sense. Don’t de-index me.

  • flyonthewall

    I was finally going to try avocado toast but then the avocado I got was rotten. 🙁 I’m kinda scared to try on the romper I bought

    • Jimmy3

      The Fruit Gods disfavor you.

      • flyonthewall

        i guess that means I def shouldn’t try on the romper. Glad I kept the receipt

        • Did you get it at The RomperRoom? They have a very liberal return policy.

          • Marshall

            Magic Mirror tell me today – did all my friends have fun at play? I see flyonthewall, Jimmy 3, Artoo45 are having special days in their male rompers!

          • flyonthewall

            Fuck The Romper Room. Romper Room lady never said my name even though I watched everyday. What am I invisible??

            • Kestrel

              She never said my name, either, Fly. But, then, in those days you weren’t allowed to say “Shithead” on TV.

            • flyonthewall

              I thought my name was Asshole until I was 23yrs old 🙁

            • Philbyification

              She said my name because I was a good doobie and didn’t fall off the slippery romper stompers on the lino..

            • Philbyification

              She was a charmer compared to the weather girl borrowed from Hef’s Chicago Club…omg, “yingling” was just an answer on jeopardy..ffs? gawd…

    • Eivol Ekdal
      • flyonthewall

        i would too

    • April

      Im making chicken quesadillas at my house for supper.
      Om nom nom.

  • Faux Gibbler

    You need to file a rebuttal Tony.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • sizzle8

      good find!

    • WhiteCentauress

      Oh, that says a LOT!!!

    • Hmmm…

  • stillgrace2

    I just ran a google search on “a perplexing tale about Bob Duggan.” While it’s true that there is no direct reference to Tony’s article, all these first hits contain links to the story. F5

  • nottrue
    • Harpoona Frittata

      Can’t wait…great episode title!

  • Faux Gibbler

    Regarding the post today about Google and Scientology, the only reports I can find is from 2014-2016 here✓&

    You may wanna search more on a desktop I am on my phone, but you should be getting a notice and a chance for a rebuttal.

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T – Patent trolls just took a major hit, “The justices ruled 8-0 that patent suits can be filed only in courts located in the jurisdiction where the targeted company is incorporated.” Decision was based on a SCOTUS ruling back in 1957.

    Now if we could just get them to revisit ‘Hernandez’.

    • Kestrel

      I wish they had done this before I bought that motel in East Texas.

      • Vaquera

        Piney Woods

  • Faux Gibbler

    Scientology is PETTY, look at this complaint; complained someone copied an article on a a comment!!!

    “Copyright claim #1

    The comment posted by ‘David Love’ on 08 July 2016 under the title “More Questions About Scientology-Style Drug Rehab And Insurance” is 100% copied from our article at You can view the infringing content here –

    • Kestrel

      I’m thinking they would complain about anything David Love did.

      • Faux Gibbler

        LOL this blog gets up to 1000 comments a day , I can’t believe Scientology trails the blog comments and then send the DMCA complaint in.

        • Observer
          • Faux Gibbler

            I guess you told me..


            Cute. Very Cute.

          • WhiteCentauress

            He does look like his sister when you give him hair. It makes him even creepier and those DEAD eyes….(shudders).

          • flyonthewall

            he’s a naughty school girl

            • Observer

              He dropped out of 10th grade because he got pregnant.

            • Kestrel

              He was the only one in the room when it happened.

            • TexasBroad

              Even worse…
              he’s never had an authentic life because he had asthma.
              (If that reads as sympathetic, it isn’t. Just an extreme “But not for…”)

          • Faux Gibbler

            At first I thought you called me a “petty little itch” LOL! Clever photoshopping.

            • Observer

              I wasn’t calling *you* anything…

            • Faux Gibbler

              Duh. LOL.

  • WhiteCentauress

    Tom and Dave on their motorcycles….NOT COOL!!!

    Phil on his Motorcycle….COOL!!!

  • Philbyification

    Fatalities at Manchester Arena. Not good.

    • Kestrel

      Damn. “Many confirmed dead.”

      • daisy

        … and yet Trump*s misbehaviour still the headliner SMH. Priorities

        • Kestrel

          Now I know why Canadians spell ‘misbehaviour’ with a ‘u.’ It gives them another word that uses all the vowels.

          • daisy

            …but not the sometimes Y.

            • TexasBroad

              If you came to HowdyCon, I bet we would be “misbehavioury” together.

            • Kestrel

              Hey, wait a minute! I want to “misbehavioury” with Daisy first!

            • daisy

              I will be there in spirit. Send us lots and lots of pictures and streaming. I love it when you guys get together.

            • Kestrel

              Would it help if HowdyCon were in Halifax?

            • daisy

              Suggest it first before Tony announces the next place. I would love to see Halifax. Eastern Canadians are a whole other breed.

            • TexasBroad

              We will sent lotsof pics. I will be misbehavioury enough for your share – should be easy…Baby will be there!

        • Observer

          His antics could kill tens of thousands.

          • daisy

            Do not piss off the WaPo and FBI and CIA and NSA and and and

        • WhiteCentauress
          • Kestrel

            May I steal this one?

            • WhiteCentauress

              Of course, if you promise not to reveal the source. I don’t want all the Trump trolls after me.

            • Kestrel

              The ones I know will find that funny.

            • ha ha!

          • Robert Eckert
            • daisy

              The shoop game has been upped lately , it is like you are all competing and the bunker wins

            • WhiteCentauress

              It’s really entertaining for me. I was hesitant to post this after seeing the disaster report, but thought I’d slip it in here where you were “talking Trump”. It’s just fun and when it stops being fun or the cult falls, it’s on to something else. I’m basically housebound, so this entertains me and keeps me from going stark raving mad. I also feel that it’s a good cause and that I can help a little, so….that’s why I do it. Meeting a lot of nice, caring people, too, so that’s a bonus.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Lots and lots of $cio-specific comedy gold lately! Thanks so much for all the LuLz , you mighty shoopsters!

            • WhiteCentauress

              Oh, my……

              He’s so “shoop-able”. I have the hardest time resisting.

      • Philbyification

        Remember the Cinci, OH trampling at Entry of The Who concert? ffs terrible.

        • Kestrel

          Yes, I do remember that. Thousands of general admissions tickets sold and a delayed start to the concert contributed to a stampede that killed a bunch of concertgoers.

          • Philbyification

            Eleven I think…No news on nature of “explosions” cited. Fireworks/M-80’s can start a stampede….

            • Kestrel

              One live update in the Manchester news suggested a big balloon exploded but a parent said it was an explosion.

            • Philbyification

              1st report here stated 2 explosion sounds at conclusion of concert….

            • Kestrel

              The witnesses are making conflicting statements. I’m going to let time pass and let the authorities sort it out.

            • Philbyification

              As per usual…early reports in chaos…same here.

    • thanks for the heads up

    • WhiteCentauress

      I hope Andrea didn’t go. Lots of injured, but haven’t heard how many confirmed dead. Our world has gone mad.

      • Sherbet

        I can’t imagine Andrea wanting to see Ariana Grande.

        • Observer

          My thought exactly.

        • WhiteCentauress

          I don’t know music that well….just hoping she’s safe. We had friends in New York during 9/11. It was a scary few hours before we heard from them.

          • Sherbet

            Yes, I had a friend at the Pentagon, so I understand. I’m sure Andrea is safe, though, because she’s unlikely to have gone to Manchester to see an American pop singer.

            • WhiteCentauress

              Good. Thanks.

    • Mick Roberts

      Ugh. 🙁 That’s horrible.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Deindexing of Bunker stories explained.

    I’m a Scientologist at my Org but a Wog everywhere else

    — A guest column by Dr. Frank Wonderman, Executive Director of Parishioner Interrogation & Surveillance Services

    The recent 1,000+ parishioner interrogations, or sec checks, my department has conducted revealed a shocking fact: Fully 95% of Scientologists will only admit to being Scientologists when they are in their Orgs!

    Everywhere else these theetie-wheetie, dilettante, no-confront Scientologists pretend to be Wogs so they can “blend in” and not be ridiculed for paying a fortune to belong to a strange group of lunatic cultists led by a violent narcissistic named David Miscavige.

    While these perceptions are utterly false, for indeed Scientology is the most ethical and sane group to appear on this planet in the last 75,000,000 years, the more important set of alternate facts at work are these:

    * We as Scientologists have never been closer to making planetary clearing a reality

    * There has never been a better time to call yourself a Scientologist

    * Scientology is now 50% better than it was before GAT II

    It is true. With the release of OTIX and OTX we are now very close to clearing the planet. And of course, as COB has stated, we need to make every Org and every Continent Ideal. We also need to shatter all
    suppression and blow all the stops to planetary clearing.

    All of this costs money and so COB needs you to up your IAS status now. Accordingly, the Reverend Doctor Alfreddie Johnson is touring all of the Orgs to encourage Scientologists to up their IAS statuses. Up your status today and you will receive many special trophies, medals, and fancy gold lapel pins. These glistening prizes will, once again, surely make you proud to be a Scientologist.

    • Mick Roberts

      If you truly want to take a huge step in clearing the planet of insanity, then shutter your organization, liquidate all of the assets, and provide restitution to the people whose lives you destroyed. Just trying to help you realize your noble goal of helping mankind truly be free. If there’s any way I can help you with that, please let me know sir!

      • Kestrel

        If they wanted to clear the planet, the courses would be affordable.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Howzabout you peddle your Homo Sap nonsense at the Bunker? Oh wait. This is the Bunker.

        • Mick Roberts

          Yes sir! But we are not mere Homo Saps here in the Bunker. We are Homo Novis!

          • FredEX2

            Mick, you do realize that OTIIIisGrrr8! is Jeffrey Augustine. Right? He a long standing ex-Scientologist & Bunker contributor here. He cracks sarcastic jokes and sometimes uses reverse psychology to get people talking or think when it comes to all things Scientology. If he’s jousting with you he’s most likely playing. Sometimes need some humor around here when things get serious.

            • Sherbet

              …is J. Swift.

            • Mick Roberts

              I had been wondering if J. Swift was Jeffrey Augustine, but wasn’t sure. Now it makes sense why J. Swift’s comments are so enlightening and thought-provoking. He sure is a brilliant guy (and his brilliance even shines through in the humor of his satirical alter-ego).

            • Sherbet

              Yes, he’s knowledgeable and entertaining.

            • FredEX2

              Hi Sherb. …is also Jeffrey A. 😊

            • Mick Roberts

              Oh yes. I know. 🙂 His satire is hysterical. I enjoy the banter with his character. 😉

            • Ann B Watson

              And I Love all Three! OTIIIisGrrr8, J.Swift and oh what is his given name not Flash A, Jeff A faster than a speeding bullet & deadly with a pencil, pen and computers! XO 😍💛💛

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Everywhere else these theetie-wheetie, dilettante, no-confront
      Scientologists pretend to be Wogs so they can “blend in” and not be
      ridiculed for paying a fortune to belong to a strange group of lunatic
      cultists led by a violent narcissistic named David Miscavige.”

      This presents yet another instance of the uncanny way in which $cn exemplifies Heisenberg’s quantum level Uncertainty Principle at this much larger scale of MEST: At the moment that an in-org-only $cilon is halfway out of the org building’s door, is he – in that brief moment – both $cilon and wog simultaneously?

      It also raises the further question of whether an in-org-only $cilon actually remains a $cilon when he enters the real world unless and until he runs into someone who asks him about his religious affiliation or, in some other manner, causes the $cn wave function to collapse him into his in-the-real-world wog identity?

      Obviously, when these dual-identity thetans are pressured to disseminate to non-cultists, the potential for a matter/anti-matter annihilation would be… umm, totally sweet to capture on video, then post on Youtube – a kind of $cientology self-immolation syndrome 😉

  • daisy

    I know the Irwin*s love reptiles but stay away from the scientologists. Much more deadly

    • Liberated

      Good one.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Who is the boy on the left?

      • daisy

        It is her boyfriend. I do not know his name.

  • outraged

    Excellent Post Tony!!!!!
    OUT those pigs!!!
    They want to support Scientology and hide. Bunch of cowards
    OWN UP TO IT idiots.

  • flyonthewall

    If anyone needs a kiss on the mouth, I’ll be available for the next 15min. No tongues. Well…maybe a little tongue.

    • Jimmy3

      Dammit! Why am I always out of Altoids when the moment is just right?? They should Wonka up an everlasting Altoid.

      • flyonthewall

        back of the line, death breath!

        • Jimmy3

          I was your only offer. Re-fuckin-jected. Welcome to Jimmy.

    • daisy

      Where the hell are my tic tac*s ? Dammit Donald not everything is yours.

  • Observer
    • Is that your house?

      • flyonthewall

        she locked herself out again

      • Observer

        Nope. If it were you’d see a couple of frenzied dachshunds trying to get through the glass to attack the bear.

        • Awww cute. please bring them to Howdycon. And the bear too.

    • Jimmy3

      “Hey, sorry to bother you. I just moved in next door and was wondering if I could borrow some honey? Is this not the right door? I apologize.”

    • Puget Buckeye

      Are the regges making house calls?

    • Sherbet

      “Like my earrings?”

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Hi, I’m Party Bear! Can I come in so we can dance?”

      • Puget Buckeye

        I brot hunny.

      • balletlady

        My neighbor walked around the garage side of her house to grab her trash cans to place them curb side for the next day trash pickup, as she “rounded the corner of her house” she came within 3 feet of a bear who had just knocked over her trash can & was trying to pull off the lid. IT stood up on it’s hind legs…my neighbor slowly backed herself up, and when out of sight of the bear, RAN into her house. Bears are common up here on the mountain, we’ve seen them as early as 6 PM daylight, and early in the morning 5AM o trash pick up day. This is NOT “farm country” we are semi rural in a neighborhood of just over 65 homes on mid sized lots.
        We’ve had several bear visits in our own backyard and side yard…& a 6 AM visit from a bear standing on our front sidewalk. He seemed quite content to stay there, I blasted him with an air horn & he walked slowly away up the street, invading another neighbor’s trash can. So much for bears.

  • Christian

    I’m kinda curious, why isn’t Cruise, Travolta, Alley, etc. included in the awards for how much money they wasted?

    • MarcabExpat

      They probably request not to be included in lists that may find their way to the Internet. Remember when the Tom Cruise video proclaimed him “Platinum Meritorious”?

      • Puget Buckeye

        I understand that theory, that they may want to keep a low profile. But isn’t that somewhat counter to LRH’s aim? To have celebrities front and center, proclaiming how great scientology is. Then the regular public would follow.

        • Mick Roberts

          You would think so. I mean, what does that say about the state of this organization that people seem to be almost ashamed to admit they’re a part of it?

        • MarcabExpat

          Yes, but when you’re trying to make a sinister cult seem normal, it’s one thing to give a testimonial and another to admit that you’ve given millions of dollars. Normal religious organizations just don’t do that kind of fundraising.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Optimum word being “normal”. I completely understand you point.

  • PeaceMaker

    I want to kind of “bump” the post that MM made 10 hours ago, in which he provided a technical analysis and showed code that seemed to demonstrate that the indexing problem was not with google, but with (hidden) tags in the particular web pages themselves.

    As of this point, I don’t see any response by Tony – or that anyone has challenged MM’s analysis. But I see that the post hasn’t gotten ranked high enough to get everyone’s attention, and posts have continually been made under the unchallenged assumption that google is doing something.

    • Hmm, yes that would do it.

      I could check to see which pages have that embedded in the code.

      • MarcabExpat

        What I haven’t seen explained yet is why a few of these posts (and consistently the same types) would have this embedded. Tony wouldn’t want any posts noindexed, and presumably they have stable templates and Scott reuses as much code as possible. I mean, I’m not a webmaster so I’m probably missing something really obvious, but it doesn’t seem to be random posts. It’s a very narrow range. How does that happen by accident?

        • I’ve checked my archived copies of the Bunker pages, usually archived on the day, and none have that string.

          Testing with a check for “Mark Bunker”. As expected, it finds that in some articles.

          So… Refreshing the Duggan article from the site… Bingo! It’s there now, but wasn’t there on the day.

          Next, I’ll fetch all the pages and check them.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Holy cow, reading this conversation, I realize just how much I don’t know. The Bunker is lucky to have tech brains like you on board.

            • Mick Roberts

              Yep. They’re much smarter than I’ll ever be with this stuff. These are the types of conversations I merely sit back and watch the brilliant minds at work.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Amen. Leave to those that know what they’re doing!

            • I already had all the code for reading the Bunker. I borrowed it from the CaptainHowdy routine!

          • It’s still grinding through the Hs, but so far it almost looks like someone has gone into WordPress and turned off robots for certain key pages.

            e.g. We traced the call and it’s coming from inside the house!

            • MarcabExpat

              I am amazed by this entire thread. Amazed. Kudos to you.

            • MM

              WTF. I’ve been literally sitting on my hands over here since I read MarcabExpat’s question above to prevent myself from suggesting three scenarios as to how this could have happened (conspiracy, technical goings-on within WordPress, and user interaction).

              The ‘conspiracy’ scenario was going to be labeled as ‘theoretically possible, but highly unlikely’ and it would have contained a hint that the WP installation could have been fucked with.

            • Unfortunately my test copy of WordPress is buried on a backup Raspberry Pi right now, and I can’t go in and look at the property page for articles to see if there’s an obvious setting for that.

              But the pages are being delivered by WordPress, and the headers should be generated by it. You can’t just go in and change a file. WordPress has to think that noindex is supposed to be set for those pages.

              There are a zillion script-kiddies probing at every WordPress installation daily with exploits, however the exact articles “killed” for Google are just too strategic not to be a careful target job.

            • So why should this (global) tag apparently work for Google and not DuckDuckGo?
              Do thier web crawlers ignore that instruction, or what?

            • It might be a question when they scanned vs when the page went noindex.

            • TexasBroad

              Someone. Not Tony. Not Scott. Someone.
              This is stunning.

            • Looks sideways at the cats…

            • Did you email Tony this info?

            • Yes.

            • PeaceMaker

              RMycroft, thanks for your dedication to the truth, and your diligence, in working on this.

              This fits with what I’ve been guessing: that we haven’t heard from Tony, because he’s got the staff on the cans, being sec-checked to locate the SP 🙂

              Seriously, it still seems possible that there is an innocent, if perhaps bizarrely coincidental, explanation (I know that I got slammed for similar optimistic consideration – or, for asking for clear proof – when it came to Marty Rathbun, but I apply skepticism consistently). I’ll be interested to hear the final results, and your conclusions, once your routine is done grinding through all the pages. And I’d imagine that Tony is looking into things, or waiting to hear back from people, on his end.

            • My most likely theory is that CoS hired hackers against Tony (again), and that they have some way of setting WordPress flags for certain pages.

              The pages hit are far too targeted for an innocent explanation. (See up top.)

            • Juicer77

              You are awesome. Thanks.

        • Since the pages are coming from WordPress, I’d expect that there would have to be a flag set in WordPress for those pages.

    • Liberated

      Who is this Diane chick ?

      • Puget Buckeye

        I was wondering the same thing.

        • The guy on the video are Jon Atack

      • Why?

        • Liberated

          I don’t know, she just sounds like a trouble maker.

          • I have no idea who she is. Maybe a Troll?

            • Liberated


  • WhiteCentauress

    What is the suspected troll protocol? Someone just called Cece an idiot on yesterday’s post. New poster. All she did was try to answer his question.

    • daisy

      Ignore tech. They want a reaction. Sometimes some people like to play with them for the lutz . Personal choice .

      • WhiteCentauress

        I hate that it was Cece he called an “idiot redditor who just wants to comment your .002%”. Harsh!

        • Jimmy3

          Yeah, but only cowards attack on old threads when they know the guards won’t be looking.

          • WhiteCentauress

            I did a screenshot.

      • Mick Roberts

        Yep best to ignore them, even though we may have the urge to protect other Bunker commenters from these types of attacks (especially someone like Cece).

        It’s hard at times. Trust me, I know. That little filter that everyone has between their brains and their mouth? Well, mine tends to “malfunction” quite frequently. I think I’m getting better though (maybe…..).

      • daisy

        So nice to see you E-girl. Make me a drink while you are up.

    • Jimmy3


    • He just got the same lame comment back on this post downstairs

  • daisy


    • WhiteCentauress

      You’re sitting on it? (That’s usually where mine is…)

    • OOkpik

      It’s with Kim’s keys.

  • This is why Scientology claim that they don’t shoop their ribbon yanking pictures

    • WhiteCentauress

      “Bodies in the Shop?”

  • Blog Talk Radio 3 hours ago: Nation of Islam Sister Nayyirah Muhammad in front of the Scientology cross.

    • Podcast link and intro text:

      * * * * * BEGIN INTRODUCTION * * * * *

      Nayyirah Tivica Muhammad is the local M.G.T. & G.C.C. Sister Student Captain in St. Petersburg, Florida Mosque 95 of the Mighty Nation of Islam where she is responsible for teaching and training the women and girls how to sew, cook, clean, how to take care of their husband, and in general how to act at home and abroad. With her training, skills and talents she moves throughout the communities apart of NAACP where she served as President of The Youth Council for 4yrs, National Counsel of Negro Women, On the Board of Youth on the Move and . With her own business of Life Skills Coach/ Motivational Speaking, she counsel youth and speaks at high schools, girls homes, Interfaith Dialogues, and her Radio Show on the Hereafter is Now Network- “Let’s Make One Thing Perfectly Clear, You!” Sis Nayyirah is also the 7th Regional Auditors Coordinator where she takes the divine guidance of The Hon. Minister Louis Farrakhan and the teachings of the Hon. L. Ron Hubbard with her training and certifications as a Dianetics Gold Seal H.D.A. Auditor as she is the N.O.I.’s first Super Power Completion to help psychologically heal the minds of suffering people. She has received multiple awards such as The President’s Volunteer Gold Service Award, The Amanda Ambrose Soldier of the Heart Award, Spokesperson Award by 2020 plan taskforce, NAACP Parent Community Award. While doing all of this she has planned and hosted Women Conferences with National Figures such as Sis Donna Farrakhan and Sis Ava Muhammad. All while maintaining a husband of 17years (Dawud Muhammad) with 5 beautiful children and 3 grandchildren and 2 more on their way making home a heaven for her family.

      * * * * * END INTRODUCTION * * * * *

      • Opal Lumen

        “. . . to help psychologically heal the minds of suffering people.”


      • PeaceMaker

        The strange grammar and punctuation fit right in with what we see from Scientology.

  • John Prince

    The right to forget? ? Only in Germany would they pass such a wishy-washy , half-assed Law 😠
    They’ve been trying to forget about hitler since 1945. ..

  • WhiteCentauress
    • Liberated

      Aww…I’m speechless.

  • From earlier threads, MM spotted that the pages dropped from Google had a in the headers which tells Google not to index the page.

    I think that could only happen if WordPress was told to put that in the headers for those pages. Who and how, are the big questions.

    Checking the site, the articles which have that set:

    A perplexing tale about Bob Duggan, the richest Scientologist in the world
    David Miscavige and a bussed-in crowd cut the ribbon on Atlanta’s new Scientology ‘Ideal Org’
    David Miscavige wants to turn Clearwater into Scientology’s Vatican – but can he?
    Death at Scientology Michigan Drug Rehab sparks widespread investigation
    Did a fashion website give a big boost to a Scientology infiltrator of NYC schools?
    Escaping from a Scientology drug rehab center: A transcript
    First look inside Tom Cruise’s Clearwater double penthouse – and Scientology is not happy!
    Fresh DOX: Police calls to the Narconon in Fort Collins, Colorado – unedited and unread!
    Google helps Scientology billionaire Bob Duggan hide a dark family secret
    Google helps Scientology huckster Per Wickstrom bury a rehab patient death
    Lawsuit number 17 filed by Las Vegas attorney against Scientology’s rehab network
    More Questions About Scientology-Style Drug Rehab And Insurance — This Time in Michigan
    On the 30th anniversary of L. Ron Hubbard’s galaxial soul ejection, an obit by an old friend
    Per Wickstrom Denied Expansion of Drug Rehab, Sues Michigan Town
    Richard Teague speaks out after his horrific ordeal at a Scientology rehab center
    Ryan Hamilton adds Colorado in new lawsuits against Scientology’s rehab network
    Ryan Hamilton makes it an even dozen federal lawsuits against Scientology’s rehab network
    Scientology becoming a ghost town; ALSO: Illinois man arrested for threatening Miscavige
    Scientology Drug Rehab Program’s Newest Victim: A New York 15-Year-Old
    Scientology Drug Rehab: New Evidence in the Disturbing Case of Richard Teague
    Scientology Legal Roundup: Per Wickstrom’s Fine Whine, And More!
    Scientology’s wealthy donors play royalty in Italy while Paulette Cooper takes San Diego
    Welcome to your Scientology nightmare, people of Clearwater, Florida
    Whale watching: The wealthy donors keeping Scientology afloat, 2015 edition
    WOW: California judge orders trial to determine if Scientology drugged incoming rehab patients

    That looks too strategic to be an accident.

    So; rehabs, especially Per Wickstrom; Clearwater; top whales; Top Gun; and an old
    Hubbard obit…

    Obviously no one cares about Grant Cardone!

    • GrangerFX

      “Google helps Scientology censor two more of our stories — maybe you can help us figure out why”
      What Tony wants, Tony gets.
      Nice job!

    • PeaceMaker

      RMycroft, again, kudos for your great work on this.

      It definitely clusters in a particular way that looks unlikely to be coincidental. But I’ve done forensic work in a couple of areas, and occasionally there is some other unexpected pattern at work, which in this case could be something like a particular type of story being worked on from a particular computer that happened to be mis-configured. It’s less than likely, but I’ve seen things at least that strange.

      Again, it will be interesting to see what Tony has to say about this (and, it’s almost strange, that we have yet to hear a peep out of him). He may also have access to additional technical information on his end, to confirm the mechanism of what occurred.

      If hackers were attacking Narconon pieces, that could have some particularly interesting implications. Speaking of which, I don’t see the most recent Narconon piece on that list; what is the most recent date of a piece with the robots tag set to keep google (and other compliant search engines) from indexing it?

      • Don’t worry, there’s stuff happening.

        When I find something odd, I mention it right away before fully investigating. That lets other people know so that they can chime in or do their own checks. Tony, on the other hand, is a journalist and gets everything in order before publishing it.

    • sizzle8

      You’re doing the lord’s work there RM! Awesome! 🙂
      And thanks MM!

    • Vault Digger

      The robots tag was one of my first thoughts about this, but the fact that Tony got an email about the pages being de-indexed seemingly showed it to be the wrong cause. WordPress seems to have a bad reputation when it comes to security, could the site have been hacked, inserting the robots tag and then a spoof email be sent to Tony. Seems a bit too far fetched, but you could say the same about a “religion” infiltrating government offices or framing a journalist with a hoax bomb threat.

      • chukicita

        This is probably an idiot question, but… how would Google de-index a page?

        Would someone have to insert code on the page in question, or does Google have a way to de-index from their end?

        • Vault Digger

          A webpage is made from HTML, basically code that tells a web browser how to render/draw a page. In part of this HTML you can instruct things like Google or other search engines to not index the page by inserting the robots tag. If the tag is added to a page, the Google web crawler may then decide to de-index the page, basically remove the page from any search by a user. Google can of course de-index any page they want, they do not need the robots tag to be present, for example the European law of the right to forget, which Tony wrote about in the article.

          • Google can simply add manual penalization and deindex a page for tens of reasons. Google search guidelines, duplicate content, wrong code snippets, doorway pages, suspicious traffic, adsense abuse, EU privacy laws, incorrect canonical tags, negative SEO, association with spammy webpages. It is usually reversed within 3-6 months unless otherwise notified by Google.

            In this case, it seems it’s due to multiple EU Privacy law applied on a single domain which led to manual penalization. It should not affect the entire website, but specific pages. Please note that content posted as comments are part of the website and could contribute to this. So anyone with an intent could target-post someone’s private information and then contact Google to remove these pages in EU zone. If you see any such comment posted by a suspicious user, you must remove it immediately.

            Disqus stores it’s comments on a separate server and displays it here on an iframe. However, Google concludes that it’s part of and hence the website (owner) is held accountable.

      • I’m not saying that the robots tag is all of the problem, but it’s a good place to start fixing.

    • chukicita

      Thanks for this. The list should be posted daily.

    • ExCult.Jan

      RM, you are clearly the person to ask for a VPN recommendation (Firefox) or a link to a reputable list of options. When you get a minute, greatly appreciated. I really shouldn’t put this off any longer.

      • I don’t use VPNs at the moment.

        • ExCult.Jan

          Well, if YOU don’t need no VPN, I’m just gonna chill. Thanks!

      • (for firefox) . Or a whitelisted VPN software like

      • WILLAM

        To mitigate and eliminate issues like these use or if you want a completely secured session then use ivacy vpn.

      • WILLAM

        ivacy is a nice and decent working vpn for firefox.

  • Liberated

    It’s Tony’s birthday today…..Happy Birthday!

  • Juicer77

    Happy birthday, Tony!

  • vaguely_succinct

    Hi — My first comment at the Bunker. Finally got brave enough to post! I have been reading here for quite awhile, though, both the daily column and the comments. My interest in all things Scientology began a few years back when I read the excellent Vanity Fair article by Ned Zeman about how the wee slapper disappeared his suddenly inconvenient wife to a mountain hideaway. I remember feeling such a sense of outrage that Scientology and its tiny evil leader could get away with that. Next I read Barefaced Messiah and my sense of outrage regarding Scientology only grew. From there, I found the Underground Bunker and the rest is history.

    But that’s not why I’m posting. The reason for my post is, I was once again reading Vanity Fair, this time the issue from March of this year, and in the article entitled “Elon Musk’s Billion-Dollar Crusade to Stop the A.I. Apocalypse” by Maureen Dowd, there’s a quote from billionaire tech investor Peter Thiel that caught my eye:

    “Full-on A.I. is on the order of magnitude of
    extraterrestrials landing,” Thiel said.

    I’ve only ever seen the phrase “order of magnitude” used in reference to Scientology. I internet-searched the terms “Peter Thiel” and “Scientology,” and the only results I saw were references to how Thiel bankrolled Hulk Hogan’s lawsuit against Gawker in order to bankrupt the website because Gawker had outed him (Thiel) as gay. However, Gawker had also published many stories critical of Scientology over the years, as well.

    So my question is: Am I making too much of the fact that Thiel’s statement contains the phrase “order of magnitude”? Is that a phrase that non-Scientologists use and I’m just unaware of it?

    • Vault Digger

      You are making too much of it IMO. Order of magnitude is usually used when talking about powers of ten. It’s in common use by scientists, engineers and mathematicians.

      • vaguely_succinct

        Ahhh, that makes sense, seeing as how Thiel is deeply involved in science and technology.

        Thank you very much for your explanation.

        Also, I’d like to add my “Happy Birthday” wish to Tony Ortega.

    • MM

      In addition to what Vault Digger already said, you might think of an ‘order of magnitude’ as a set of numbers that are roughly “in the same ballpark” (tens/dozens, hundreds, thousands, etc).

      What Mr Thiel is saying in your quote is that although he doesn’t know the exact likelihood for either event, he thinks they both deserve roughly the same amount of “very, very, very …” to be put in front of “unlikely”.

      An on-topic example would be that Scn frequently reports attendance to their opening ceremonies as having been one order of magnitude higher (in the thousands) than they actually were (in the hundreds).

      • vaguely_succinct

        Hi, MM! Thank you so much for your kind reply.

        I appreciate your explanation about “order of magnitude.” From Peter Thiel’s comment, I sort of thought he was comparing the two events in a favorable light, so it’s great to see that he considers full-on A.I. to be very unlikely. After reading the Vanity Fair article I mentioned above, the idea that A.I. (and, potentially, “evil” A.I.) is so close to becoming a reality is freaking me out!

        Also freaking me out was the idea that Peter Thiel may be involved in Scientology. That guy just has too much money for his own good, and he certainly doesn’t need to be giving any of it to the evil cult!

        Thanks again for your kind and thoughtful reply.

        • MM

          “I sort of thought he was comparing the two events in a favorable light”

          Oh :/ Come to think about it, you might very well be right. I don’t know the context in which Mr Thiel made his remark; it is possible that instead of the likelihood he was in fact comparing the importance of the two events: that if we were to achieve Full A.I., it wouldn’t be just another everyday scientific discovery, but an event so extraordinarily important as to be “right up there” (roughly comparable) with an alien visit.

          The problem (or at least one of them) with ‘achieving Full A.I.’ is that it is by no means self-evident that it can be achieved at all, ever.

          Depends on the definition of terms I guess, but what current and foreseeable so-called ‘intelligent’ systems actually are is fast – not intelligent. They are incredibly fast and sophisticated idiots de métier, whereas intelligence is a generalized problem-solving mechanism across all domains of knowledge which requires the ability to abstract, and arguably also physical embodiment for the very act of perception (which has to precede abstraction) to be even possible.

          • vaguely_succinct

            MM – Sorry to take so long to respond to your post. Your description of what is required for intelligence to occur makes so much sense, and gives me much to think about in relation to the creation of true A.I., rather than just sophisticated robotics.

            Thank you, once again, for taking the time to write such a great reply.

    • 0tessa

      An article that might interest you:
      in The Gardian, 7th May 2017, ‘The great British brexit robbery: how democracy was hijacked’.
      Peter Thiel is also mentioned. He was the first vocal Trump suporter of Silicon Valley.
      He owns Palantir, the data-mining company with contracts al over the world.
      So, you are not making too much of Thiel’s statement, imho.

      • vaguely_succinct

        Hi Otessa! So kind of you to leave me a reply. My apologies for taking so long to log back on and respond to you. Thank you for the newspaper article you recommended; I will definitely check it out.

        I appreciate your understanding about my Peter Thiel question. I’m thinking: If Silicon Valley billionaires who are working on artificial intelligence technology start buying into Scientology’s nonsense, that might be a problem.

        Thanks again for leaving me such a kind response.

    • The use of that particular phrase is probably a coincidence.

      However, the concern with AI shown by Musk is based on the notion of the ‘singularity’ which is a obsession for post-humanists – some of whom subscribe to what outsiders see as a kind of religious faith that might be characterised as cult-like.

      Musk also contributes to ‘researchers’ in ‘cryogenic suspension’ (having your body – or just your head- frozen after death, and preserved until you can be resurrected by a sufficiently advanced future technology) and the ‘uploading’ of human personalitys from their brain to an artificial substitute (a virtual reality of even a android body).

      There’s a good book (“To Be a Machine” by Mark O’Connell) which points out the ways in which post-humanism can be a ‘scientific religion’ – which is substantially the pitch used by Hubbard in the early days of Scientology.

      The cult-like character of this concern with is was well spotted, and I can understand why you wondered about the phrase ‘orders of magnitude in connection with Scientology. However, the thinking that is characteristic of Scientology is also present in other areas of life, and the mega-rich seem just as prone to it as anyone else.

      PS: Welcome aboard!

      • vaguely_succinct

        Hi, Once_Born! How delightful to finally log back on and see a reply from you. Have been lurking here in the comments section for quite some time and you are one of my absolute favorite posters. I always look forward to your comments and get so much knowledge and enjoyment from them. Thank you for your kind, thoughtful post and for making me feel so welcome.

        Love your book recommendation and will absolutely check it out. In the article I mentioned above about A.I. and Elon Musk, there was some discussion about The Singularity and one tech expert’s prediction that it is coming in as short as 28 years. That was the first mention I’d heard of it and it freaked me out! Shortly after reading it, I was watching a NetFlix series (“Least Likely”) where one of the characters brought it up! So weird.

        Thanks again for your response, and as always, I look forward to seeing your comments.

        • Steady on! (and thank you for those kind words).

          The singularity used to be a popular theme for science fiction writers – the notion that technology (especially) AI will reach a runaway point as it advances so quickly that humans will neither be able to understand or control what is happening (one of the best is “Accelerando”, by Charles Stross).

          However, the idea has become stale. of late. People like Stross have realised that, although it’s an irresistible fictional premise, there are serious problems with the idea.

          For example, there are likely fundamental limits to the speed at which advances can occur and, since we know noting about real AI at this point, there is no reason to suppose that artificial minds are not subject to limitations, and wouldn’t hit barriers to growth that we currently do not understand.

          Like religious millennialism (e.g. there will be paradise on Earth when the Messiah returns) the singularity is a matter of faith rather evidence – especially for people whose lives are heavily influenced by advanced technology – which brings us back to the transhumanism, a religious faith for those who think that Science and technology have replaced religion.

          Personally, I’m not too worried about the technological millennium (AKA singularity). The future would seem miraculous and incomprehensible to use (as our society would to Medieval people) but the will likely be frustrated by limitations as glitches, just as we are.

          Wishing (or worrying about) a world where any mind (biological or artificial) can transcend reality is a new expression of the religious impulse… and I don’t see it happening.

          • vaguely_succinct

            Once_Born — Feeling very honored to receive another great reply from you. Your wisdom shines and it’s such a treat to be the recipient of so much thoughtful information.

            Your comments bring to mind a remark made by one of the tech experts in that Vanity Fair article about A.I.: something along the lines that it’s silly to worry about any of it when most people can’t even get their printer to work. Hah! I sadly fall into that category.

            Thank you for your great reading suggestions! Am excited to continue learning more about this subject and seeing the different points of view.

            But really, is the worry that artificial intelligence will transcend reality, or become the new reality? From my read of the A.I. article, so many tech experts are so hard at work perfecting it, and they are so gung ho! So much money involved! And a lot of those dudes are straight-up crazy!

            I am eager to get started reading more about this topic so as not to feel so anxious. I want to “steady on” (be “steady”? not sure of the terminology), so I greatly appreciate your calm suggestions. Hoping you haven’t dismissed me as a complete flake by this point.

            • Workers in the area refer to ‘soft’ and ‘hard’ AI.

              Soft AI is mindless – a very clever and complex program which produces results (like playing chess, or suggesting things you might be interested in buying on the basis of earlier purchases). That’s based on statistical tricks, a big database and number-crunching.

              There’s been great progress in this. The only danger is that we give over our expertise to machines which don’t understand what they doing any more than a light bulb ‘decides’ to light up a room when someone throws a switch. They can’t deal with new situations.

              Hard AI is a machine with a real mind – and maybe consciousness. That’s the kind of entity that might develop its own agenda, and come into conflict with their creators (like Dr Frankenstein’s creature).

              However, we have no idea how our own consciousness works let alone how to create an artificial one – which would likely need to be embodied (so that it could learn about the world for itself) something else that we are long, long way away from doing well enough.

              I think the error of transhumanists is to look for ‘salvation’ (e.g. don’t die – upload your mind to an android body) &/or ‘damnation’ (the robot apocalype) in technology and get a bit carried away with possibilities that won’tbe realised for many generations, of ever.

              PS “Steady on” is a UK idiom which, in this context was meant to convey, ‘You are very kind, but I’m not that clever’ 🙂

              I wouldn’t t worry about the singularity – and think prominent people like Musk are self-dramatising. The supposed threat of AI is worth thinking about – but maybe his money would be better spent on relieving things like disease, war and hunger.

            • vaguely_succinct

              O_B, once again, far too slow with my response to you. So enjoyed your interesting, knowledgeable comment.

              I love your explanation about artificial consciousness, and am particularly nodding my head at your final paragraph. Completely agree that Musk (along with those other Silicon Valley billionaires, as well) could better be spending some of those dollars on relieving present-day concerns instead of looking only to the future. Wiping out hunger in the world, for example . . . wouldn’t that be something?

              As far as your not being that clever, I say to you: au contraire mon frere! Am constantly amazed at your scope of knowledge and depth of understanding of such a variety of topics, and it’s always such a pleasure to read your posts.

    • Peter Thiel funded the take-down of Gawker, as well as that idiot who claims that he invented email long after it was already in existence.

      Gawker goes dark, but its impact on Scientology – and Tom Cruise – will never be forgotten August 19, 2016, Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

      Category:Peter Thiel

      • vaguely_succinct

        Hi RMycroft! Thank you for your great reply — Sorry my response took so long. Will be sure to read the column by Tony you posted above. I’ve been lurking here for some time and have always enjoyed your posts, and look forward to reading more.

        If you haven’t read it already, I highly recommend the article mentioned above about A.I. and Elon Musk — It’s fascinating and full of info that I previously had no idea about. (The Singularity? Yikes! Coming in approx. 28 years . . . What?) You can find the article online.

        Thank you again for your comment and for the link.

    • Ann B Watson

      Welcome vaguely s, I have only been here I think almost a year! When I posted my first post my hand shook I was so nervous that Tony would tell me to take a hike. He is a great journalist I just love to write and use words as images from my heart and mind and soul. Compared to him I am a blogger with no organization just a Burning Desire to help change the picture that the Cult of Scientology pours out onto the world each day. With what I know and have experienced many years ago makes me more determined than ever to push onward. All the posters I have met here,except for the few trolls, are loving and witty and kind and good. A place where we can share our worlds. Hope to see more from you. Btw I was in Sea Org 4 years 74-78 Asho Fdn Hollywood and never heard the phrase ” order of magnitude ” it may have been but more likely I heard Get those Stats Up By Thurs at 2:00 pm or you know what! You will have to stand QM and do cleaning stations for eternity life after life! So happy I left when I did. ❤️

      • vaguely_succinct

        Hi Ann — Thank you so much for your wonderful reply, and for making me feel welcome. Sorry it took me so long to respond! I am just getting used to logging in and writing comments after reading others’ comments for so long. Have always so enjoyed your comments — it is delightful to log on and find this reply from you. Thank you again! And I’m ecstatic for you that you are out of Scientology and enjoying your life.

        You’re right, Tony is a great journalist and the posters here are loving, witty, kind and good, including and especially you. Thanks again for your very sweet post.

        • Ann B Watson

          You made me smile and it is lovely to find You Here. Hugs and Love from me to you. Will look for your comments.💞❤️

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  • Jimmy3

    You fools! The Proprietor was not born! He was designed and created in a classified lab!!! They called him ‘Weapon 47’!

    • Newiga

      Since you are onto Tony, I will reveal my true identity. I am Android 18, known for my sarcastic humor and super-human strength. F5

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Morning Newi. I’m SO far behind on my Bunkering. Are all of our Bunker buds in Manchester doing okay? Or have you not heard?

        • Newiga

          I haven’t heard anything. 🙁 So awful what happened. I have many non-bunker friends in the area too. All of them are safe…

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Really hope everyone’s okay. I was finishing up some stuff last night so I didn’t have the TV, the computer, anything on. Just found out about it.

            • Newiga

              I was in a hurry in the morning and only learned what happened once I boarded the commuter train. 🙁 Shocked beyond words. Manchester is in my thoughts and heart. <3

        • April

          NOLA! It’s so good to see you ’round these parts.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Good to see you too love. 😘

  • John Prince

    Best Wishes Mr. O 💰🎉🎻🗝🍾

  • April

    While we’re waiting for Tony’s 7 AM post, I want to make a public service announcement.

    Should you ever have the idea of mixing onions with your Sprite soda, for the love of all that that is holy, do not!

    I was cooking quesadillas last night and somehow a piece of raw onion fell into my cup of Sprite without me realizing it. About 30 minutes later I went to take a swig and my taste buds were met with the foul flavor of onion mixed with citrus and carbonation. Bleh bleh bleh.

    • New posts arrive at midday the UK but I would like to add,

      If the meanest girl in your primary school gives you a cod liver oil tablet, tells you it’s a sweet and that you have to bite it to get the full flavour – don’t believe her

      • Newiga

        They tried that with dog poo (“Come oooon! It’s chocolate!”) with me but I was too smart to fall for that. 😀

    • Newiga

      As kids, me and my sibling used to mix all sorts of spices in to a glass of milk and dare each other to drink the mix. The foul-tasting cocktails included ingredients such as soy sauce, oregano, black pepper, herb salt, etc. YUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

      • Ann B Watson

        How about Seven-Up and garlic powder. Went for lime sprinkles and got the wrong powder. Stopped drinking Seven -Up years ago but use garlic everyday in all it’s incarnations. And Lots of Listerine! Love your comments❤️

        • Newiga

          Thanks. Ann! xxx Seven-Up with garlic sounds like a horror. 😛

          • Ann B Watson

            I know ruined my coffee with that image and probably your fav beverage too. Hugs 💛

            • Newiga


  • Bert Allen

    It looks to me that the common thread of the stories delisted by Google is the highlighting of public members, rather than leadership of some subdivision of the COS or the Sea Org. I have no idea why that would make a difference if the person has been lauded in some mass produced publication. Maybe it has to do with the select, rather than public audience for the publication.

  • KimLoss

    It’s not uncommon for someone to attest to Clear, and then do the Grades as part of their OT set ups. Clears are made by running engrams, and engrams are run in Dianetics auditing, so either Book One auditing or New Era Dianetics can produce a Clear.

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