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Sheriff’s deputy on what Scientology does behind its gates: “That’s not my business”

 
Perhaps the number one question we get from people who are new to our website or on Twitter is, with all of the evidence and history of Scientology abuses over so many years, why doesn’t law enforcement do something about it?

There are various ways to respond to that question. Lawrence Wright gave one of the best answers during the movie Going Clear when he talked about how Scientology’s tax exempt status, granted in 1993, gives it enormous First Amendment protection as a religious organization.

But we also know that church leader David Miscavige spends significant resources “safe pointing” law enforcement agencies, a policy laid down by L. Ron Hubbard which has the church presenting a positive face to “opinion leaders” through the use of its “social betterment” front groups. By cultivating friendly relationships with agencies located near their major facilities, Scientology has been very effective.

And we want to thank Nathanial Thomas for helping to confirm this with a video he shot on March 5 and has generously shared with us. On that day, Thomas and a friend went to Scientology’s international management headquarters in Riverside County, California, near the town of Hemet. Known as Int Base or Gold Base, it’s a place we got a great overhead look at last year with some amazing drone footage. And if you remember that footage, you remember that a highway cuts right through the middle of the 500-acre compound. (It’s also where some of the hilarity ensues in Louis Theroux’s film playing now in theaters, My Scientology Movie.)

As you’ll see in the video, the presence of Thomas and his friend resulted in someone at the base making a call, saying the two men were fighting in the middle of the road. Several officers in patrol cars arrived, and finding that no fighting was going on, were about to drive away again. But before they did, Thomas managed to talk with a few of them, including a Riverside County Sheriff’s Deputy who was surprisingly frank about how much esteem he has for the Scientologists at the base.

 

 
Says the deputy: “Scientology has actually been very forthcoming with all the information. I don’t represent them, neither does he [referring to another deputy], but they’ve helped us solve a lot of crime. A lot of crime. And I’m actually very grateful that they’re here, for a lot of reasons. Whatever they want to do behind the gates, that’s not my business.”

Well, thank you, deputy. It’s nice to know that you’re so unconcerned about a place where up to 100 Scientology executives were kept in what can only be characterized as a prison, from 2004 to 2009. And where people like Ron and Becky Miscavige, Marc and Claire Headley, John Brousseau, Stefan and Tanja Castle, and many others have literally had to escape, some of them running through the desert to get to safety. And a place where for decades, women who got pregnant were forced to go to a local clinic to get abortions, whether they wanted to or not.

It’s rather stunning how effective Miscavige’s “safe pointing” has been, and helps explain how he was able to banish a wife to a remote mountain compound more than eleven years ago now without any consequences. Or that he’s made other executives vanish, and law enforcement doesn’t show the slightest interest.

Thank you, Nathanial Thomas, for showing us that it’s pretty much exactly the way we expected. (To see a longer version of his visit to Gold Base, take a look at his YouTube channel.)

 
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Dave and Tom’s excellent Clearwater adventure

Mike Rinder let loose with a great rant on Facebook yesterday that we thought you’d want to see. He was reacting to the news that what Scientology leader David Miscavige has been telling Clearwater officials in one-on-one, off the record meetings are details about Scientology plans to revitalize downtown Clearwater, in part with help from Tom Cruise, who will be putting together some kind of entertainment center.

You may remember that we broke the news of Cruise purchasing a double penthouse in a condo building that’s smack in the middle of the Flag Land Base, and now it sounds like Miscavige really wants Cruise to be involved in remaking his new home town. And so here’s what Rinder, the former church spokesman, had to say about it…

And now Dave and Tom are going to “rescue” Clearwater like the superheros they think they are? These two seem to think they can step in and throw money around and “hey presto” it will all be cool. Problem is, they are the CAUSE of the problem. Tom is getting a new condo downtown and so now something needs to be done to make Clearwater acceptable for a star of his mega-wattage. This happened before when scientology orgs were not up to “Tom’s standards” so Miscavige spent tens, maybe hundreds of millions of dollars buying scientology org buildings in New York, London and Madrid (he was dating Penelope Cruz at the time). Those fancy buildings sit empty today.

Even if he spends hundreds of millions on downtown Clearwater (converting the Oak Cove to a hotel is a silly joke – it will be for scientologists only and will join the other empty scientology hotels that litter downtown Clearwater) nobody will come. Miscavige and Cruise ignore the level of animosity towards scientology in this community — based on doing things like today. Thumbing their noses and operating “above the law.” Cruise’s “entertainment complex” will be as empty as the motels on Cleveland St. Local residents will NOT frequent it. And they are not going to get any big national retailers to come in — scientology will try to woo them with the “FSU Economic Impact Study” and when real professionals look at that embarrassing document they will note it is premised entirely on information PROVIDED by scientology.

I am sure Miscavige dazzled these bumpkins with video presentations and slick sales talk. Sad to say, he is smarter, tougher and has a lot more money at his disposal than they do. It’s like watching sheep being herded to the slaughter.

 
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The Meaning of Life!

Author Robert Wright started “Meaning of Life TV” back in 2002, and he’s still associated with a version of it today, at meaningoflife.tv. We were interviewed recently by the site’s Nikita Petrov, who asked us some very good questions about Scientology. We’re parking it here for archival purposes, so don’t feel obliged to see us yammering on again about L. Ron Hubbard’s creation.

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,690 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,793 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,287 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,327 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,039 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 506 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,624 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,794 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,114 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,089 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 445 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,747 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 854 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,256 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,129 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 710 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,215 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,459 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,568 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 15, 2017 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Robert Hanna Moore

    Ecclesiastical license plate readers!

  • Jack99

    ” …but they’ve helped us solve a lot of crime.”

    So, sort of like CSI: Gold Base?

    • The way they helped us find those bodies was amazing!

      • PickAnotherID

        You’d almost think they were the ones who buried them!

        • But all the evidence we found pointed to someone else.

      • chukicita

        The way they determined a squirrel killed the Moxon girl was amazing.

  • That’s some fine police work there Lou.

    • EmmaDaoust

      He ain’t no Columbo.

  • EmmaDaoust
  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Ahh yes, the “ain’t my problem, didn’t see nothing” excuse. You must be a real force in your department .

    Officer, we’re pretty damn lucky that not all of our law enforcement officers are as un-curious as you are. What a boob. 🙄

  • Sejanus

    I always feel ill inside when I hear law enforce piling on $cientology love bombing.
    Helped cops solve crimes?
    That’s rich.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      That cracked me up too. “Helped solve crimes” Bahahaha!! I’m sure the crime rate out there is through the roof, thank goodness they have Scientology there to help. *snort*

  • PickAnotherID

    Coming soon to a street corner near you, $cientology’s idea of “revitalizing” downtown Clearwater: (f5)
    http://blog.lagoschamber.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CCTV-Cameras.jpg

    • OOkpik

      Relax! They will help Scientology solve a lot of crime for the cops. A LOT of crime!

      • PickAnotherID

        Unless it involves a critic of $cientology being assaulted. Then it’s, “We don’t have any coverage of that incident.”

        • EmmaDaoust

          “What are your crimes?!”

    • Sea Org mall cops, what could go wrong?

      • I suppose protesters and known critics passing through can expect to be reported for shoplifting.

        • Or fighting each other.

        • chukicita

          Well, it has been the case that critics were not allowed in certain businesses (the One Stoppe Shoppe comes to mind, as well as a restaurant that turned critics away).

          I wonder how much Scientology lobbyists are helping to promote the silly legislation that has been popping up in states that allows business owners to not serve you if you somehow offend their religious beliefs.

          • Graham

            There’s a video somewhere of a Scieno woman policing the doorway of a fast-food place, attempting to deny protesters entry, including a young child.

            • chukicita

              Here you go. Not in CW, though.

              https://youtu.be/Q5W8ALB0SNU

            • Gus_Cox

              I remember Noelle North. Even when I was in, I thought she was an insufferable twat.

    • chukicita

      Coming soon? It’s been this way for years.

      I recall a Scn security guard’s testimony in court that there are more than 100 security cameras trained on public areas of downtown Clearwater, and that was at least ten years ago.

      I always try to wave at them when I’m downtown.

  • Chewkacca

    They’ve safe-pointed these boobs. They’ve safe-pointed the LAPD. Unfortunately for the Co$, safe-pointing doesn’t work on the FBI. Davey, you’re living in …. interesting…. times. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts.
    WOOOAAAH!

  • gtsix

    “They’ve helped us solve a lot of crime. ”

    When you have every inch of land covered by 14 tax free eccliastical cameras… it must be very “helpful”.

    And what crimes exactly? Speeding? Kidnapping? Coerced abortion? Physical assault? Innurment.

    Officer DippityDo.

  • PickAnotherID

    That deputy needs a refresher course on, “They’ve helped us solve a lot of crime.”, doesn’t mean they get a free pass on their own crimes. Get a clue deputy.

    • Mockingbird

      Ethics protection !

  • Frodis73

    Ugh, that cop sounds like what’s his face from Andy Griffith. Kind of glad I can’t listen to him rave about the church. What a dick that he doesn’t care what goes on behind the gates. He is a disgrace and should not be a cop.

    Lol at Cruise and Miscavige saving anything let alone Clearwater. If those dupes on city council give in to sceintology, they deserve every bad thing that happens. The problem is the good citizens in CW will also end up punished. There should be protests at the very least…or a huge group needs to turn out at the next public meeting and raise hell.

  • So the cult falsely reports a crime but he thinks they help solve crimes.

    • Frodis73

      IKR? I am so annoyed by this idiot.

    • PickAnotherID

      California Penal Code § 148.5(a): False Police Report of a Crime
      In California, P.C. § 148.5(a) defines the offense of making a false police report of a crime which states, “Every person who reports to any peace officer, attorney general, or deputy attorney general, or a district attorney, or a deputy district attorney that a felony or misdemeanor has been committed, knowing the report to be false, is guilty of a misdemeanor.”

      So did the deputy write up the false report of two people fighting?

  • Mockingbird

    Good Scientology ecclesiastical propaganda filled morning Bunkeroos.

    I would love to show the police some choice Hubbard quotes AND a list of convictions of Scientologists for crimes including Snow White. There are several tape lectures with Hubbard bitterly complaining about law enforcement including police officers. Oh well.

    The danger in a group like Scientology getting the police to leave them alone is they become more and more free to do whatever they want and effectively become more free to police themselves as they see fit. If they are not quite ethical that becomes a problem. No accountability and no oversight.

    I am glad Mike Rinder’s comment was included. The idea that David Miscavige has wasted tens of millions of dollars to make a few cities have orgs that Tom Cruise would be happy with is very revealing about Miscavige’s priorities. It’s whale preservation above virtually everything else. For PR purposes Tom Cruise is the biggest whale of them all. If David Miscavige wants to waste a hundred million dollars to make Flag and the Clearwater area suitable for Cruise and other whales then that is money that won’t be used by OSA to ruin people utterly or for Scientology’s fleet of criminal attorneys to sue people into oblivion. As far as I am concerned Miscavige can spend every thin dime Scientology has and go bankrupt. I know that is a lot of money.

    • Robert Eckert

      If they are “not quite ethnic”?

      • Mockingbird

        Ethical, stupid autocorrect. Now corrected.

  • Observer

    First daylight savings time, then Marty, and now bought-and-paid-for lazy, blinkered cops. My blood can’t take all the angrying up while I’m sleep deprived.

    Catch you guys later.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ❤️❤️❤️

  • madame duran

    Deputy sheriff asks, “Are you guys on probation or parole?”. The guys reply with a “no” and the officer lets them go on their merry way. What kind of lazy questioning is that? Why would the officer just go by someone’s word if he really had any suspicions that they were on probation/parole? Isn’t there a database for him to check license plates, car ownership, names and what not? Bunch of nosey parkers. I highly doubt the exchange would’ve been as cordial with a black man under questioning.

    women who got pregnant were forced to go to a local clinic to get abortions, whether they wanted to or not.

    If a woman voluntarily wanted an abortion (i.e. not under undue influence or pressure to abort), then how can they claim they were being forced?

    • Frodis73

      Absolutely and they should run names through their system.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      “Are you guys on probation or parole?” is his version of LRH’s “What are your crimes?”

  • Techie

    I can independently verify, from my experience at the Int Base, that they do indeed have license plate cameras and have since the late 90s been able to record the license plates of every car that drives by them. As far as that Sherriff’s Deputy being so effectively “safe pointed”, well perhaps the county mounties are under Dave’s thumb but the local Police Departments are less admiring. Remember the story from “Blown For Good” about how the police seemed completely unsurprised to hear that Marc Headley was attempting to escape and that the security guards had run him off the road. They run into this kind of thing all the time and have some idea of what is going on. Once in the 80s Blake Huffam got a policeman to escort him back to his berthing to pick up his things after he blew. I know because they woke me up in the middle of the night doing this. He was in the same dorm as I in the Old Gilman House. You could ask why they don’t do raids or free the ones being held against their will – well it requires a complaint to be filed and who is going to file a complaint? Somebody in the Hole? When folks escape they do their best to get away without a trace. They don’t go to the cops right away and it is too bad, sometimes they might get some very needed help. When I was there up to 2004 if you dialed 911 on the phone system it went to 911 regardless of whether you had the outside line access codes. This is a legal requirement as far as I know. Somebody else has reported that they more recently shut this off somehow, but if so it is illegal. I know it worked in the 90s because a friend dialed 911 by mistake right in the L Ron Hubbard Music Studio and they had to go to the security gate and explain that it was a mistake. Even if you dial and hang up the police have to respond because it could be someone calling with a medical emergency that prevents them from speaking. So maybe all we have to do is get the word out to the folks in the Int Base to just dial or text 911. Tell the operator you are being held against your will. Meet the police at the gate and you are home free. No need for motorcycle madness and midnight maneuvers, just get out the back Jack, make a new plan Stan, no need to be coy Roy, just get yourself free. (Apologies to Paul Simon). Dial 911, OSA slaves summarizing this for Dave. You could be free today and get to take all your stuff. And your wife. Drive off in a car, you don’t have to trek for miles through the wilderness. DO IT, you’ll be glad you did. And we’ll be glad too, with plenty of recent actionable police reports of the criminal activity at the Int Base.

    • PickAnotherID

      In Clearwater there have been reports that first responders are told by $cientology security, “You’re not needed. It was a mistake, someone calling 411 hit the wrong button. Sorry for the inconvenience.” And if they are blocking 911 calls at ‘Gold’, how do you prove it?

      • Techie

        My guess is they are not blocking the 911 system, that they use the same trick of telling the first responders it was a mistake. This won’t work if you call 911 and explain it to the dispatcher. But most inside the Int Base are too beat down to do that.ETA it is not well known at the Int Base that the 911 call system works without access codes. For almost all the staff the only way to call out of the system is to go through reception. A few have 4 digit access codes and can call out, but very few. So they may not even know they can use 911. They are told to call Security if there is an emergency.

    • Noesis

      Both of those officers are very young – probably not even born until well after Snow White and related criminal conspiracies perpetrated by Scientology against law enforcement agencies were off the front page and buried under PR from OSA.

      Scientology does help reduce petty crime in the areas they inhabit as it is in their self-interest to do so.

      As mentioned previously, even during the worst periods of tyrannical, murderous “governing” in the old Soviet Union, it was still illegal to steal a car, rob a bank or write bad checks. There were parallel legal systems in use: one for dealing with routine crime and one for dealing with political dissent.

      Scientology operates the same way and many law enforcement officials do not know they are being played.

      • Katy_Lied

        Even Vlad Dracul placed a golden cup in the middle of the Târgoviste town square and no one ever stole it.

  • Mockingbird

    The police officer shown reminds me how in the book Age Of Propaganda studies on people were done. In one the researchers found people that watch a lot of TV estimated that police officers are far more competent than they really are and scientists are far more mentally unstable and dangerous than they really are. TV often portrays several stereotypes that simply aren’t true.

    The reality that police officers can be fooled as easily as everyone else is kind of frightening when you consider the authority and power they hold. Their mistakes result in wrongful convictions and deaths. And protection for Scientology.

    • Frodis73

      I saw a great doc about people going into police academy. The teachers were all complaining that the quality of recruits has taken a huge nose dive in recent times. They are not sure if it is that good people just do not want the job or a statement about our education system-most said it is probably both. As an example, they were told to write their height in inches…had to tell them that 12 in equals 1 ft or they couldn’t do it.

      • Mockingbird

        Did that documentary star Steve Guttenberg by any chance ?

        • Frodis73

          Lol. Always forget about that movie.

          • Mockingbird

            Police Academy is a classic ! With plenty of sequels !

      • Mockingbird
    • Missionary Kid

      A friend of mine, long retired from the LAPD, has said that the TV series Dragnet ruined the LAPD, because the police were never as competent as the series portrayed, and they started to believe that they were.

      • Mockingbird

        Bingo. Who doesn’t want confidence ?

  • kemist

    OT : In my place, if you call an ambulance today they come with snowmobiles.

    Also, some people have been stuck in their cars for 14 hours.

    I was right to come back home early.

    • EmmaDaoust

      That was quite a pileup near Magog.

      • kemist

        People are still stuck in there apparently. Firefighters have been giving them drinks.

        • EmmaDaoust

          I believe it. It looked horrible. They must be freezing, or did they bring in a bus to shelter?

          • kemist

            Yes I heard someone say that they are now in a bus, but are still waiting because road to the shelter are blocked.

        • Frodis73

          Omg, they must have had a long, cold, horrible evening.

    • I am surprised that those of you in the “Canada” region of upstate New York were having such trouble with the storm. We lightweights downstate seemed to fare pretty well (except for the ice on the NYC sidewalks). But I always thought that, with your fur trapping equipment and dog sleds, that you’d be able to function just fine in a major storm. Hell, I seem to recall that snow was invented in the quaint rural northern suburbs of Buffalo that you call home…

      • Techie

        My relatives in Upstate New York just take a horse-drawn sleigh to church when the roads are snow-covered. At least that was what my dad said, though maybe he was talking about the 30s when the Lutheran church services were often in German. A foreign country to be sure.

        • Missionary Kid

          Where my dad first immigrated is in the vicinity of Buffalo. They had horse-drawn trolleys in the 20s. I’ve been there in the winter, and it’s a part of the snow belt. Many of the church services were in Swedish.

      • Mockingbird

        Barely a foot of snow in Buffalo. Just a regular day.

      • kemist

        Well, apparently for us this is a storm of the century thing. Even private businesses are closed, and that rarely happens here.

        • Robert Eckert

          Unfortunately “storms of the century” will happen every couple years from now on.

          • kemist

            Yep.

            But climate change is a hoax invented by China, or so I’m told.

          • Its been a couple of years now. We’re due for another “Trial of the Century.”

        • EmmaDaoust

          We had maybe 5 inches in Toronto and it’s melting. We’ve had absolutely no accumulation this winter, and that’s become the norm. It’s a little unsettling. It makes it easier to get around, but I miss true winter. Still happens outside Toronto, though!

          • Here in Northern Greater Toronto, we barely got enough to make it worth starting the snowblower. (And only because the wind made drifts.)

          • madge filpot

            My brother is up in Baldwin.. betcha he got TONS!

            • EmmaDaoust

              I have friends in Sudbury. Definitely snow up there!

      • EricS

        Ah yes… Home.

        I remember an incident, some time back, when the Americans, with the added weight of a French army, decided to seize everything north of the 49th parallel. The American forces yelling “FIFTY FOUR FORTY OR BUST!” Oh what fun times those were.
        The American and French armies and the Iroquois Nation threw everything they had at the “bumpkins” gathered along the border. It went on for ages.
        But guess what, the border is still at the forty ninth parallel and Americans from the “lower fifty” still have to ask permission from the descendants of those “bumpkins” to cross that line.

        But hey. You were just funning with us right? Never really wanted the “frozen wasteland”, that calls itself Canada, in the first place. Right?

        Whatever….

    • ombrifuge

      I’m surprised the Volunteer Ministers haven’t turned up to hand out a few pamphlets.

      • kemist

        Ehehe…

        The poor schmucks would probably freeze to death if they showed up.

      • Tim Brown

        And take some photos.

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s gonna be 92 F (22.6 C) here today. I’ll send you some warmth.

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Uhmmm, 32.6 C about the same here.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks for the correction. Right now, it’s just before sunup and 16.9 C.

      • Marshall

        sad face – it’s so cold here and the wind isn’t helping anything. I’ll be lucky if any of my perennials survive this crazy weather. So many of them had already started growing.

        • Missionary Kid

          Ouch!

  • FredEX2

    Safe pointing. ~If the Mob gladhands, threatens, or buys off local officials and law enforcement to protect their interests…then it’s corruption. If a gang gives out a few brown envelopes to key people to look the other way, it’s a bribe and a crime. If Corporations give big perks and gifts to certain Legislators to ensure a swing vote in their favor…or resort to black mail and threats if need be…then it’s a threat to our democracy…

    But when Scientology gets all ‘friendly’ and does these same biasing / corrupting / subverting things and has law enforcement, city officials, key political players, and others in ‘high places’ of influence…securely in their pockets…and there’s no one left to do anything about it…things get dark and evil is allowed to prevail unchecked.

    There’s nothing ‘safe’ about ‘safe pointing’. It’s an act to ensure the protection of the special interests of others at the exclusion of those that need protecting from these very organization’s.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      They have a golf course at Gold Base. Chalk it up to the CO$ to figure out that hinky cops love golf almost as much as donuts.

  • Mockingbird

    Scientology “Take it from us – when it comes to crime we are the experts ! Hubbard pioneered crime !”

  • Ben Franklin

    Cops out there seem to be working together with the church. They don’t appear to be very friendly to outsiders as you can see in this recent clip shot by protesters at Gold Base (between Beaumont and Hemet).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC9nYfKMjiw

    • Missionary Kid

      The actual address of Gold Base is Gilman Hot Springs, CA. It isn’t in Hemet or San Jacinto, even though it shares the zip code with San Jacinto. It is in unincorporated Riverside County, 4 miles north of San Jacinto, and a million miles from reality.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thanks MK – 19625 Gilman Springs Rd

    • NewSciWatcher

      I think the cops response was pretty standard. Just watch the other videos of California Guardian and you`ll see that they always gamble with the suspicious card, always. It doesn`t exclude the possibility of them being rent-a-cops, but it is not a direct evidence.

      • Ben Franklin

        I have watched most of them. Yes, cops tend to have a standard approach to people they feel or think don’t have a lot of power. If it is an individual or a small group of people against an organization or powerful individual, the cops tend to take the side of the powerful unless you can convince the cops that the law is on your side.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    So, these “crimes” he says that the clams are supposedly helping to solve – are they taking place inside or outside Gold Base? By clams? Since this area is apparently plagued by “…a lot of crime. A lot of crime”, why hasn’t LRH’s miracle working “The Way to Happiness” booklets been able to stop it?

    Why does he feel the need to state “I don’t represent them, neither does he [referring to another deputy]”. If I am standing in front of a crackhouse or the home of robber, I wouldn’t assume that the cop outside the building represents them. This clown cop doth protest too much.

    And where did Clearwater find thier mayor, George Cretekos? He has the same deer caught in the clamlights look as seen in those crazy CO$ videos. Bomb Diggety!
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b44927dd1612cbf0cf821fe0650f8437aa5bd34836ef8b9e164f1c25843c6cc.jpg

    • Techie

      They provide the license plate numbers of cars driving by the Int Base. That “solves a lot of crime” because it establishes when a car was in that location. I am sure the Security Guards would provide other information if they had any but since they never leave the Base they know nothing of interest. Of course they provide no information about the folks being held against their will with their passports locked up on the Int Base, they think that is justified.

      • chukicita

        Geez, the county could install its own plate reader on that public road for about $700.

        Does Scientology, Inc. look up the license plates for them, too?:

  • MarcabExpat

    Sheriff’s deputy on what Scientology does behind its gates: “That’s not my business”

    That’s what they used to say when they’d get sent out on domestic violence calls, too.

    Many of ’em still do.

    • Frodis73

      Excellent point.

  • Off topic – but the Mormons have made a foray into one of Scientology’s favourite tactics – suppressing reporting of their activities by abusing copyright law – and it isn’t working out for them http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/5056058-155/mormonleaks-reposts-lds-church-apostasy-presentation

    It’s strange that, whenever an organisation seeks absolute control, it tends to gravitate towards the same repressive practices.

    • Mockingbird

      Information control. Cult and totalitarian 101, also used in abusive relationships.

    • MarcabExpat

      Y’know, you’d think, of all people, that the Mormons would know better. Look how well destroying the Nauvoo Expositor worked out for Joseph Smith.

  • OOkpik

    Says the deputy:
    “Scientology has actually been very forthcoming with all the information.”
    Scientology has always been forthcoming with information, most of it false.

    “I don’t represent them,…”
    I’m not a Scientologist but…

    “…but they’ve helped us solve a lot of crime. A lot of crime.”
    Dox or it ain’t so!

    “And I’m actually very grateful that they’re here, for a lot of reasons.”
    Do tell!

    “Whatever they want to do behind the gates, that’s not my business.”
    Our responsibility to serve and protect stops where Scientology begins.

    I like puppies, but this one needs an education.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Puppies are more intelligent than useful idiots

  • MarcabExpat

    *watches video*

    Holy ****. Marc Headley was lucky to get out when he did.

  • 0tessa

    ‘that’s not my business’: another version of ‘wir haben es nicht gewusst’, or even more ‘wir wollen es nicht wissen’.

    • Techie

      Closely related to the phrase “We were just following orders”.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Breaking News
    04/01/2017

    Clamworld Clearwater To Open Forty Seven Flag Entertainment Center

    with our Fake Gnus correspondents the Spicer Girls

    Featuring Battlefield Dirge every Thursday at 2 pm for the next billion years
    on the IMAX screen in the Snotpipes Cinema Complex

    And with these exciting attractions:
    RPF Paintball
    Dungeons and Duggans – win a one-way trip to South Africa, all expenses paid
    Pin the Cross on the Donkey Pizzle
    Hospital Speedway – a race to the furthest hospital
    Beat The Rap – an exciting legal maze
    The Hall of Mirrors
    The Exploding Volcano – Keep your Magic Mountain, Disney

    Xenu and the Duke of Chug will be among the crowd favourites
    Catering will be by Tom’s Rice n’ Beans Deli and Monique’s Muffins

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  • “Sheriff’s deputy on what Scientology does behind its gates: “That’s not my business””
    Apparently not, even if its a crime.

    • An occasional thing I’ve heard:

      “If it was as bad as you say, someone would have done something by now, right?”

      Guess what? That deputy is one of those “someones”. Any more questions?

      • True story:
        My brother (rest in peace) was for a time a station sergeant in Detroit.
        A guy answered the phone and turned to him and asked, “Hey sarge, this lady says there’s someone racing up and down her street. Who should she call about that?”
        “US!” was his exasperated reply.

        • With most people, the more people who could do something, it’s sometimes less likely that anyone will.

          They did an experiment: a room of people completing tests. First they put the smell of smoke in the ventilator, and if that didn’t do the trick, actual smoke. The more people in the room, the more likely they’d all be sitting there doing the test while freaking smoke was coming out the ventilator. People could smell it and see it, but figured that if it was a problem, somebody would have done something.

          I’d have thought that the skill of seeing a problem and reacting to it would be part of police training. Hopefully it comes with hard knocks experience.

          • “That’s not my problem.”

            • See, that’s why it’s better if they learn it in training. Some cynical old hand in the field probably taught him that “Scientology is not our problem” along with “That’s above our pay grade”.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            So that’s why people think I’m weird and officious. If I smelled smoke, I’d be the first one up, out the door, and down the hall to investigate and sound an alarm if necessary. Just the way I am.

  • Gerard Plourde

    A slick, moderately intelligent huckster convinces people in a series of meetings that he has the answer to their problems. Being unhappy with the status quo, they buy in. Where have I heard of that before?

  • Robert Ramsay

    With all the cameras let’s review the footage of the “alleged” fight 🙂

  • Graham

    I was amazed by the details given in this Tampa Bay Times report:
    http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-holds-private-meetings-with-clearwater/2316471

    “In the 10th floor ballroom of the church’s Fort Harrison Hotel, Miscavige, who is rarely seen in public, put on a theatrical display of his vision for Clearwater’s urban core using blown-up before-and-after renderings and video simulations on a large flat screen TV. Miscavige avoided having to open the meetings to the public and the press because he invited council members one-by-one to sit at a conference table to hear his pitch.
    “The presentation was very much choreographed,” said Council member Hoyt Hamilton.”

    Imagine the scene. A virtually empty ballroom. A conference table. And Slappy Dave Miscavige, Mr Paranoia, giving a presentation to an audience of one. This man is so scared he daren’t speak to an audience unless it’s either sheeple or an audience of one. Standing there in his dapper, perfect suit, giving his perfect presentation but only risking one person seeing it at a time. How sad is that?

    • Tony Ortega

      Yeah, but I want to know if he did the thing with his hands on a pedestal.

      • Frodis73

        Now that just made my day.

      • Gerard Plourde

        And did he use Shermanspeak?

        • harry

          Probably.
          You can’t find a decent Shermanspeak to English translator for love nor money these days …

          • EricS

            Hey, I am a trained Shermanspeak translator.

            “Ladies and gentlemen. Bla bla bla bla, blahddy bla bla bla.”

            I can vary the length and throw in hand waving and posturing for the hearing impaired.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        One of those roll-around ones like SNL got for Melissa/Spicey?

        • MarcabExpat

          Dave saw that and was mad that he didn’t already have one. Somebody had to stay up all night building one.

          • I Like Ham

            Damn! You folks are on a roll!

      • Graham

        You better believe it Tony. His OCD wouldn’t allow him to make any presentation without doing that thing he does with his hands.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      “”He’s a very interesting individual. He’s a very high-energy guy.””

      Can you sprain your eyes from rolling them too much?

    • Maybe the first SMP project?

    • Noesis

      If there is no one else in the room to confirm one’s own remembrances of the “meeting” Davey could tell different lies to different folks based on the intel that his goons had previously assembled about the “buttons” held by each of his opinion leader targets.

      Also, it is easier to deny blackmailing someone if no one else heard the threats.

    • Qbird

      At the shakedown one on one meetings.
      Conclusion after watching the presentation, I imagine ~

      “Listen, we know youse guys got a beef with us, but let me remind you, we got the juice here in Clearwater see, cuz we already own more than half, this is clear. Finally, moreover & to the point, just to remind you wogs®, we gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet, Capisce?

      Do you capish the words coming out the one side of my mouth?
      I would like to conclude with this song by our founder, Thank You For Listening.”

  • Jack99

    Okay, I’m seeing another TV show here, people. Instead of The Mentalist, imagine…

    THE SCIENTOLOGIST

    Each time the LAPD is stuck on a case, they call for help, and thanks to his OT powers, The Scientologist solves it all. Starring Danny Masterson and Jenna Elfman, they will need the work, yeah? Coming this fall from SMP.

    • ombrifuge

      Maybe Tom Cruise has supplied the “precogs” from Minority Report to help them out.

    • Mockingbird

      The Scientology cult members commit crimes, frame journalists and ex Scientologists for them all and lead the police to all the evidence to convict every time. Guest starring Scientology celebrities like the Scientology wives and attorneys. Tommy Davis will be here for sweeps week.

  • I’m not going to say anything about the effectiveness of the “safepointing” campaign, as it’s too depressing.

    I will point out that the idea that Scientology has the credibility to bring major national retailers and entertainment companies to Clearwater is laughable. Rinder says:

    Cruise’s “entertainment complex” will be as empty as the motels on Cleveland St. Local residents will NOT frequent it. And they are not going to get any big national retailers to come in — scientology will try to woo them with the “FSU Economic Impact Study” and when real professionals look at that embarrassing document they will note it is premised entirely on information PROVIDED by scientology.

    This is exactly right. The economic impact study is a joke. Even if you believe the numbers, which are skewed by the spending on a couple of trophy properties such as the Super Power building, the economic impact of Scientology in the community is only about $20 million per year over the last 45 years. That’s trivial — I said when Tony first wrote about the study that the spending by Scientologists in the local economy including real estate purchase costs is less than what people spend in the 9 McDonald’s outlets within 10 miles of Flag.

    We in Global Capitalism HQ spend a lot of time talking to managements of various companies that come in to talk about their business and thus to get us to invest in their stock. I don’t focus on retailers, though I do sit in from time to time. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the sophistication in choosing locations from national retailers is beyond the comprehension of the average mortal. They look at hundreds of different factors including local income, distance that people currently come from to spend money, spending patterns of different types of customers, and the total amount of money that out-of-towners spend at different types of establishments.

    They will quickly discover that spending patterns in Clearwater are unusual — people who come to the Fort Harrison don’t spend money elsewhere in town. They will probably discover that the struggling businesses that hang on are selling mostly to locals and not tourists — exactly the wrong sort of spending patterns for someone looking to put a destination entertainment complex in place. There’s a lot more that they do, often involving credit card data that they purchase (it’s anonymous, so they only see spending patterns, not what identifiable individuals are doing). And virtually all of it would reveal that Clearwater is someplace that they wouldn’t want to do business, even if they didn’t know at that time that this was because of Scientology.

    And if, after the extensive analysis at headquarters, they would send out a field team to evaluate Clearwater, they’d quickly learn the real story about how Scientology is strangling downtown. They’d see the sidewalks devoid of pedestrians, the creepy security guards following everyone, and the TV cameras everywhere. And they’ll hear from locals that most residents would never set foot in a facility that has anything to do with Scientology… It would be totally dependent on tourist dollars that are never going to come.

    Importantly, the decision to open new outlets requires even more scrutiny than ever before. Malls are dying, not just because people are buying more stuff online, but because kids are glued to their screens and aren’t driving as many impulse purchases as before. There are way too many movie theaters relative to the traffic, and quick service restaurants (Chilis, Red Lobster, fast food) are under pressure due to escalating labor costs, stale concepts, increasing competition, etc. Many restaurant chains are trimming underperforming outlets, even if they’re also adding stores.

    The greater Tampa market is probably already saturated with the types of businesses that Miscavige and Cruise would want to bring in, so the only way they could make that happen is to offer significant incentives to open new locations. But that doesn’t always work — even if the cult offered free rent to a restaurant like Cheesecake Factory, the buildout costs for restaurants like that is so high (some Cheesecake stores I’ve inspected on behalf of the restaurant team at Global Capitalism HQ have $25 million-plus buildout costs) that even with free rent amounting to 10% of revenue, they won’t recoup the buildout if the location tanks with business below expectations. In other words, it is still possible for a restaurant or other retailer to lose money on a location with free rent if the location was marginal to begin with. And most retailers don’t want to waste management time and effort trying to fix a perennially low-performing store. If they can’t turn it around, they’ll close it.

    • BEETEE

      $cienceofLYINGology’s members have no money to spend in Clearwater.

      The Fraud Scam Base bilks every last dime out of the clubbed seals.

      Clearwater is poisoned by this cult.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Don’t forget the enturbulating headlines that would be sure to follow for any business who signs on to this – “RED LOBSTER CONFIRMS THEY ARE GOING INTO BUSINESS WITH SCIENTOLOGY CULT”

      • Edward Whalley

        Hm. “The Red Lobster Cult”, that sounds like a cover band that does BÖC. Incidentally, do you know that there’s a Blue Oyster mushroom? Good fresh in omelets, soup or sauces.

    • Good point about the Internet. Here in the UK, local shops are disappearing, and even in dedicated city centre shopping areas there are steadily growing numbers of empty premises.

      You can walk through these places and play, ‘can you do it online?’ – it’s a game where you ask that question of every business and, whenever the answer is “yes”, watch for it to disappear. It often does.

      I don’t know the situation in the US, but here retailing is in crisis, and I think we are on the brink of a major structural change in which many shops turn into fronts for collection services. Scientology always seems to get into things just when their time is almost past – like starting to produce DVDs when downloads were taking off and, if they were serious, this would be another example.

      If opening a retail complex is already a bad idea, doing so in a deliberately intimidating ghost town where nobody goes out, let alone has money to spend, is utterly ridiculous.

      However, the whole thing is just a pretence to obtain control of a larger area of the city. Any retail buildings will either be maintained, empty, like ideal orgs, for appearance sake or (more likely) converted into something else as soon as Miscavige thinks he can get away with it.

      The objective is to control the centre of Clearwater by any means necessary.

    • Missionary Kid

      Re: The high cost of opening a restaurant.

      There was an interesting program on PBS’s The Mind of a Chef where one chef in L.A. decided that the cost of opening a high end restaurant would be in the millions, so he got an unassuming place in a strip mall and opened there. His overhead is far lower, and he cooks what he wants, changing the menu weekly. People are lined up to eat there.

      Other chefs operate food trucks. Their locations are broadcast on social media, and people line up for their food. Some of the food truck operators have migrated to permanent locations in L.A. Johnathan Gold, the Pulitzer Prize winning food writer, often covers them.

      I have friends in Tijuana, and there are gourmet food trucks that operate together in a location. The prices are quite inexpensive compared with the prices in the U.S., and the food quality is excellent. You just have to know where to go.

    • Noesis

      Agree with you about the sophistication of large retailers in their selection process for new locations. There is an entire sub-industry of specialists who collect, aggregate, analyze and sell data to the groups inside large retailers who make real estate decisions. I don’t run in that orbit much anymore but in the past have known many of the most senior execs at Federated, Nordstrom’s, Dayton Hudson, GAP, WalMart and others and did some work with one of the early investors in Cheescake Factory. They are for the most part pretty bright folks. Having lunch in the dining area of the (old) Woolworth Building in Manhattan was always a treat.

      Brick and mortar retail is not the glamour industry that it once was, but it is not an accident that many of the prestigious buildings / programs at major universities, including Harvard and Stanford, are named after the founders of well known retailing empires.

      These folks are out of the league of wee Davey and will see through his nonsense in no time.

    • Gus_Cox

      “There’s a lot more that they do, often involving credit card data that they purchase (it’s anonymous, so they only see spending patterns, not what identifiable individuals are doing).”

      I wonder how the astronomical sums spent on credit cards at Flag show up in those pattern reports lol

  • BEETEE

    $cientology – a very precise science of bankrupting members so the leader can bribe and coerce police with money and favors so COB can hide his heinous sordid crimes.

    They take members confidential confessionals and throw them under the spiritual bus if they defect.

    $cientology is very good at eliciting guilt from members about not paying taxes -$cientology calls them “CRIMS”…meanwhile $cienLIEtrickery does not pay one dime in taxes…and it breaks all the laws of the land whilst hiding behind the “religious cloak”…

    and $cienceofLIEology turns defectors over to the authorities if they do not toe the line…hence Actor Danny Masterson’s Sex Crimes will be kept hidden as long as he defends $cientology and toes the line…(he is trapped)

    All of these little tricks Keeps ScienceofLYING Working.

    • Chris Mann

      I don’t know if he is scared of that. He probably believes Scientology. It’s like a religious belief. You listen to endless hours of lectures and read books and courses that indoctrinate you into what could most accurately be called a religious belief system.

      • Qbird

        more specifically, L. Ron Hubbard’s belief system.
        (religious or no, up for debate.)
        Chris Mann, have you had / have personal experience with the Church of Scientology?

        • Chris Mann

          I read Dianetics in the early 90s (1991-1992-ish). Then I went to my local org in Phoenix and took a few courses until I ran out of money. Then I joined staff and was on and off staff and/or taking courses and auditing until @ 2009. I have staff training up to Staff Status II with other specialized hat training, I’ve done a bunch of Courses and auditing up to Grade IV. That’s the step right before Clear. I didn’t get that far up the Bridge (Clear, OT Levels etc) because I just couldn’t afford it. The higher you go, the more expensive the auditing gets.

  • Chee Chalker

    How much ‘crime’ could be occurring on the highway in front of Gold?
    Seems to me like Scientology is committing crimes, then helping to misdirect the police (“look
    over here!”)

    • Missionary Kid

      Recently, some guys were in a car, shooting off a pistol going down Gilman Springs Road. Security called the Sheriff and gave the license number. The guys were stopped, the gun was recovered, they and were arrested in minutes.

      • Chee Chalker

        Ok….that’s one…..

        • Missionary Kid

          I talked to one Hemet resident who was out in the desert legally shooting, but not too far from Gold, and was legally shooting when one of their security started to harass him.

          He left, pissed at $cientology. It’s kind of like the Mafia used to be in Las Vegas. You didn’t commit a crime in their turf: they were the ones who have an exclusive on crime.. The only difference is that if you do it close to Gold, the cops get called.

      • Chee Chalker

        PS…..here in Chicago an event like that is called ‘Tuesday at 4:05 pm’

        • Missionary Kid

          Do they catch the people doing shooting that fast? The people who fired off the rounds weren’t shooting at anyone.

          • Chee Chalker

            I’m sure Miscavige thinks of any ‘criminal’ incidents in the entire area of Hemet are threats directed at him

            For some reason, this clip from Seinfeld came to mind….where George knocks everyone out of the way to save himself from a fire

            That is how I view Big Being #2

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnfbhdELQLA&sns=em

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. Everything not done his way is a crime, to Ratcavige.

  • pluvo

    Mike Rinder who knows David Miscavige inside out and all the tactics and what David Miscavige’s real intentions are: “Clearwater on the Brink”.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/clearwater-on-the-brink/


    Scientology is a secret kingdom that wants no outsiders seeing what is happening. From scientology’s perspective, the less “wogs” (non-scientologists) there are in downtown Clearwater, the better. This
    “Redevelopment Plan” is heading in the direction of guaranteeing that. Scientology ONLY wants scientologists in downtown Clearwater. While Miscavige has plenty of money to buy everything within 5 miles of the Ft
    Harrison hotel — there are not enough scientologists within 50 miles to keep two restaurants busy, let alone an entire downtown retail district. In case nobody has noticed — most scientologists in downtown Clearwater stay INSIDE the scientology buildings. And the majority of them are scientology staff with no disposable income.

    Why doesn’t Miscavige show up and make his presentation before the City Commission meeting in City Hall, broadcast on cable access TV so everyone gets to see what is being offered and hear his sales pitch?
    Just like everyone else. Because he is afraid of appearing before the public and media and being asked questions he cannot answer. So, he avoids public appearances of any sort, instead summoning city officials
    to his turf to ‘splain things to them.

    .

    • Missionary Kid

      The last paragraph. “Why doesn’t Miscavige show up and make his presentation before the city commission meeting in city hall, broadcast on cable access TV so everyone gets to see what is being offered and hear his sales pitch? Just like everyone else, because he is afraid of appearing before the public and media and being asked questions he cannot answer. So, he avoids public appearances of any sort, instead summoning city officials to his turf to ‘splain things to them.

      • pluvo

        F5

        • Missionary Kid

          I didn’t think of that. Thanks.

  • Gerard Plourde

    While for us who are familiar with Scientology’s abuses and crimes, the deputy’s attitude seems unconscionable. The difficulty is that without solid probable cause police officers cannot do the kind of investigation needed to bring the perpetrators to justice. And we have to remember that it’s been theorized many times here that the inmates of “the hole” would deny that they were being abused and could’ve even claim that they were in ther voluntarily, rendering legal intervention impossible.

  • Chris Mann

    This gets into something that I believe actually inhibits reform of Scientology and that is when aspects of the story are exaggerated beyond the truth. By all accounts the Int Base became a terrible environment and “The Hole” was insanity, but no one was physically held there against their will. They were held there by their own minds. Legally there is a difference. I’ve never been to the Int Base, but I was on staff and in Scientology for 20+ years, I spent time at the Los Angeles compound, I lived at Flag for six months as an outer org trainee and I believe I understand the mindset that led to the Hole and all that stuff. You believe in Scientology. That is the #1 thing keeping you there. Second is group or peer pressure. You are in a group of people who are putting a lot of mental pressure on you. You feel like a traitor who is letting everybody down. Those two things combined keep people there. They will stay in a little trailer and clean bathrooms with a toothbrush because of these things. Some break free mentally and leave. If they leave dramatically by sneaking through a gate and riding away in the dead of night it’s because they arent mentally up to just saying “I’m leaving” and walking out the front door. This is not a good condition to be in, mentally speaking, but it’s not the same as being physically held against your will. So you get into a legal gray area. If there were people being held against their will something could be done about it. It’s not that law enforcement wont look in to crimes, it’s that generally these “crimes” are what I would call exaggerated justifiable grievances.

    • Tony Ortega

      Just imagine if someone had bothered to check on Lisa McPherson’s “grievances.”

      • Chris Mann

        Or Shelly Miscavige. You guys made a big deal of Shelly being held against her will. So the cops went and talked to her and she said, no I’m fine. That’s what I’m talking about. I’ll concede the Lisa McPhereson argument.

        • Tony Ortega

          And I will continue to make “a big deal” about the banishment of Shelly Miscavige until law enforcement takes her situation seriously enough to question her alone and not in the presence of Scientology thugs. And frankly, I don’t care if that offends you or not.

          • Chris Mann

            Where did you get the idea I was “offended”. It wont go anywhere dude, that’s my point. She is there by her own free will or imprisoned by her own mind. If she ever decided to leave she would leave. I don’t know this for sure, but that’s my belief. Maybe you are right and it has gone beyond what I knew. I can’t recall any evidence of actual physical imprisonment. People who have told their stories have left and then told them. Maybe they snuck out dramatically, but they could have also said “F-you guys, I’m done” and walked out. If you really were done and wanted to leave they wouldn’t want you there.

            • Techie

              Actually there are a few recorded cases of physical restraint. The area that was once known as the “Old Gilman House” once held a few that were definitely there against their will. Check out the story of Maureen Bolstad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrazhaNR5Xg Lisa McPerson is an obvious one, but others have been put on the “baby watch” as part of the “Introspection Rundown”. That adds up to illegal restraint, and the fact that the ones restrained were considered incompetent only makes it worse. I can’t say if anyone at the Int Base right now is being illegally restrained, I haven’t been there for 13 years. And it is true that if you had the gumption you could just walk out the pedestrian gates. They are not locked from the inside. But the passports are still locked away, and many of the other criteria that define human trafficking (slavery) are met at the Int Base. See Mike Rinder’s column yesterday. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/a-slavery-free-world/ I am not picking on you , Chris, you have a valid point, but there are some nuances to it.

            • Chris Mann

              Yeah, it’s not black and white. There are, or were things in Scientology that did not fit into modern society and are in a gray area legally. Forced Introspection rundown, recruiting children, Purif, etc.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              It’s not black and white? It’s a gray area legally? Can you understand why people here are having so much trouble with this conversation? Not hating– just exasperated.

            • Are_sics

              Maybe listen to the interview with Nikita above, what Tony has to say from 6:15 to 6:30. Or check out the subtitle of Lawrence Wright’s book.

              But also give a look at Marc Headley’s “Blown for Good”. Or Jenna Miscavige’s book. Or if you really want to get to it, Russell Miller’s bio of Hubbard.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              THEN YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

            • EricS

              Have you actually ever heard such a story?
              Just because people haven’t left doesn’t mean that the could have, whenever they wanted.
              Perhaps it might be good to consider that the reason that you do not hear of anybody simply saying “F-you guys, I’m done”, and walking out is that it doesn’t happen.
              Not once that I am aware of.

            • Kari Harris

              Chris Shelton and several other former Sea Org members routed out and leave all the time. THAT has been proven and supported by several exes. You don’t *always* have to “blow” to leave.

            • EricS

              Kari

              From Gold base? Personal experiences of several executives who were held at Gold base tell a completely different story.

              The outer orgs, and even Pac Base or Flag, are a different matter entirely. Most seem to be able to come and go unless they are on “nanny watch” or on the RPF or some such. Normal staff may not get much time off, if any at all, but generally it seems that they could probably just walk out the door.

          • Faux Gibbler

            It will never happen as long as Beck is in office. There is a blog that actually chronicled the corruption of his daughters “pony gate” story and a few other concerning Sgt Beck.. well, you know what happens when small time bloggers take on corruption.. lawsuits…

            My point is: Beck has too much to lose by helping.

        • Kristen

          You have inside info on how Shelly’s welfare check was conducted? That it was done by the book? Because from what we have been able to glean, the police did not follow standard procedure for the kind of welfare check that was requested.

          • Chris Mann

            I don’t. But I would bet if you talked to her she would say she is fine and wouldn’t want to leave. If you could remove her for maybe a few weeks and let her be in a different environment and then ask her, she might change her mind, but right now I bet she is deciding to stay.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          “I’ll concede the Lisa McPhereson argument.”

          You’ll concede at the point where people actually end up dying. Noted.

        • Robert Eckert

          “So the cops went and talked to her”: Did they? Really? Who are the cops who went and talked to her? What are their names? I am still not at all satisfied on that point.

    • Chris Mann

      I’m not defending the Church, the Int Base or the “Hole”. I’m just giving my opinion on possible mental mindset involved that would keep people there. That’s all. If it makes you guys feel good to hate on me because it doesn’t fit your beliefs then go ahead but I think it prevents productive conversation.

      • chukicita

        Who’s “hating on” you?

        • Chris Mann

          I could feel it a bit. A disturbance in the force I detected with my OT powers. I think it’s mostly dissipated now.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Disagreement is not hatred. Criticism is not hatred. And OT powers are not real.

            • This is one of the prime problems with our national discourse of late and one tactic that Scientology is famous for in its public statements.
              Disagreement = hate.
              Critic = bigot.
              It’s pure deflection.

            • Chris Mann

              And there it is. I knew it would devolve into this. You guys have your own cult here and I am not welcome.

            • Qbird

              no no, not true. You have thoughts & opinions, you express them here & people respond. So far it’s been an interesting thread to follow.

            • Chris Mann

              Cool. And I don’t know that my statement is absolute. I’m just talking about instances where I see things exaggerated, which is understandable. Exaggerating a justifiable grievance. It happens all the time in life.

            • Chris Mann

              Ok, cool. I’m perhaps a little overly sensitive. Being in Scientology does that to you. Even though I’m out now, I still find myself being defensive in conversations about it.

            • Qbird

              yeah man — it’s a tough subject. I get that.

              It is always so good to hear from former members. period.
              Glad you walked out the door. Hang tough, that’s all any of us humans can do.

            • So if we disagree with you, we’re a cult. You just made DDD’s point.

            • grundoon

              We do speak our minds here. Do join in!

              Welcome, Chris! – Make yourself at home!

            • Chris Mann

              It was a joke. You guys are so wound up you have no sense of humor.

            • pluvo

              Pleeease Chris, don’t generalize. I thought you are joking after I read it more than once.
              UB commenter is not = UB commenter = UB commenter. Also it is not always clear to see the joking. With 🙂 or 😉 it would be clearer.

              But I still don’t know if this was meant as a joke “… If it makes you guys feel good to hate on me …”

              PS: I think the “hate on me” is an enemy line. The CoS is also depicting every critic as hater, especially the exes who tell their stories. I for once was considering your statements and then your various replies and not ‘hating’ at all.

            • Chris Mann

              That part was not a joke. It wasn’t entirely serious though, if that makes sense. I was joking about OT powers (or was I?). I anticipated some harsh criticism for posting something that is in disagreement with the group think here. I just didn’t want to be trampled by a mob, but it hasn’t been that, so my fears were perhaps unjustified. I just wanted to get out in front of it and nip it in the bud so to speak.

            • Qbird

              U has zee powerz of the OT? (or don’t you?) ~ 😉 gently teasing you Chris.
              I got your joke.

              I’d have to guess no, on account of not enough money to pay for those powers.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              “It was a joke.” Where have we heard this defense of an incautious statement lately? If you think you’re wrong, just say so and move on. If not, come up with a better defense than, “It’s a joke.”

              (And we have no sense of humor here? You haven’t been paying attention.)

    • chukicita

      Your will is compromised by the enforced lack of an informed decision.

      It also seems to encompass a great deal more than ‘feeling like a traitor’ when there are direct threats to your ability to remain in the lives of your loved ones, your social network, and your employers.

      Not to mention your “eternity.”

      • Chris Mann

        You mean the person stuck at the Int Base? I would say your will is controlled or replaced by an outside entity, like being in the military or something. You are in a different world in a way. A “Bubble”.

        • chukicita

          Yes, that’s what I meant by “you.” I understand that it’s a bubble. But there is a legal description of “undue influence” that seems relevant.

          • Chris Mann

            I don’t know. Most people in that situation are very dedicated and because they are constantly fed propaganda and exist in the bubble they are very much part of the group. The other staff are family and closest friends- shipmates. You develop a close connection to people you go through tough times with. What we are talking about is the people who have left and talked about it. Most people are either still believers or still connected and not talking about their experiences. It’s not a big compound full of people who want to escape in other words. It’s full of people who would fight with everything they had to protect Scientology. They are already working like 16+ hours a day doing what they believe is forwarding the cause. They signed up, they weren’t kidnapped.

      • Chris Mann

        Either you edited or I didn’t read all of your comment. I’ll agree with this. There is also intense pressure from your friends, family, peers who are Scientologists. It’s very difficult because it seems like you are the bad guy. Everyone you know is essentially telling you that you’re wrong.

        • chukicita

          Don’t worry, you’re not going crazy – I did edit my post, but it hadn’t been up for a whole minute yet.

    • Ben Franklin

      Chris, there is truth in what you are saying but there are also some parts of your argument that I disagree with. As you have acknowledged, you have never been to the Int Base or the “hole” so you cannot speak authoritatively about it. On that note, you only speak on what you have heard or read about the Int Base and the Hole.

      I believe that there is an element of “prison of belief” that stopped people in the hole from leaving, but there is also an element of physical restraint as well. From every account I have seen, you could not just walk out the “hole” or the Int Base compound without being physically stopped by security.

      While it might have been possible for some to just walk out the gate and try to leave, where will they go if they don’t have any job, possessions outside the the Int Base compound.

      Yes, I agree there is an element of some staying because they believe in Scientology, there is also an element of some staying because of either physical or economic restraint. You can walk out of the gate but how can you get away from the place if you don’t even have a car or money?

      The people who tell stories about the Int Base are people who actually lived and worked there, and actually spent time in the “Hole”. I don’t know if you are claiming that all those people who were in the hole and have talked about it are lying or exaggerating their experience when you were not even there in the first place.

    • kemist

      I don’t think the Headleys could have just walked out.

      Both of them actually had to physically escape.

      Maybe it’s not the case for most, but somehow I doubt Shelly Miscavige could just walk out if she chose to.

    • pluvo

      Legally it is difficult to prove (especially as the witnesses are mostly still cult members). There are exceptions like Don Jason.

      What about the coercions with the threat that when you leave that family members will disconnect from you?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBAF01MrKQ

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      “They will stay in a little trailer and clean bathrooms with a toothbrush because of these things.”

      If by “these things” you mean locked doors, posted guards, and barred windows, I’m with you all the way. Otherwise… not so much.

    • grundoon

      Why did Miscavige install bars over the windows of the Hole?

      • Chris Mann

        Because he’s an asshole?

        • grundoon

          Not to physically hold people against their will?

          • Chris Mann

            I bet he would if he could, and perhaps he has crossed the line. As I said below, I’m not talking in absolutes here. I’m talking about a phenomenon that occurs. Exaggerating a justifiable grievance. That unfortunately has the effect of “The boy who cried wolf”.

            • MarcabExpat

              “If he did not believe that and just wanted to leave they would have let him off if he asked.”

              NO.

              You are really, really straining to show that people weren’t really “imprisoned” and that conditions were exaggerated. Those who have left are not exaggerating, or crying wolf and your continued implications that they are doing so, and that people were free to leave, are a slap in the face to those who underwent this. Just stop.

            • Chris Mann

              Can we just disagree? I get the feeling you want to force me to agree with you or STFU. That’s not going to happen. You “just stop”. You’re enforcing group think which is what cults are made of.

            • MarcabExpat

              Well, obviously we do just disagree, we don’t have to wonder whether we “can.”

              I’m not enforcing group think in any way, shape or form, and this blog is not a cult. I say that as a former cult member and I know the difference.

              You made some statements that deserved to be challenged and people did that — thoughtfully, not hatefully. They encouraged you to step beyond your preconceptions. If you can’t, fine, but don’t expect people to applaud you for that. Anyone who makes a point should be prepared to explain and defend it, and you were unable to do so.

              You sound like Marty. Accusing people of “hate” when there was no hate. Throwing the word “cult” around way too loosely. In other words, projecting. They are the classic derailing tools of the Scientology apologist and if you use them here you can expect to be called on it, because we’ve seen it a million times. Implying that cult victims in some way are responsible for what was done to them also won’t go over too well. That shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody. Co$ constantly accuses its victims of lying. We don’t need more of that here, even in the form of the hedge word “exaggerating.”

              So, you got into some circular arguments with some of the other commenters here. You didn’t get anywhere with them, and they didn’t get anywhere with you. But someone as articulate as you should be able to step out of this loop and actually listen to the stories the survivors are telling without having to challenge the narrative or minimize what happened to them. Just listen. Their stories are consistent, over periods of decades and a space of thousands of miles. It never changes. This is the reality of life in Scientology. When you can confront that, you won’t feel you have to downplay or deny what Scientology does to its members.

              In other words, stick around. No need to go off in a huff. Just don’t keep trying to define other people’s experiences for them, and you’ll do a lot better.

            • Chris Mann

              Still sounds like you’re trying to tell me what to say and how to say it. So, I’ll pass on that, boss. I don’t think anyone here elected you as leader of anything. Is it irony that you don’t see you’re trying to do to me exactly what you don’t want me to do?

            • MarcabExpat

              *smile* I have to chuckle at you lecturing others about irony.. but that’s fine. Have a great one. Today’s entry looks interesting, I’ll go check into that now.

            • grundoon

              How it works is you post what you want to, and others post what they want to.

              People read what they want to, and skip posts that don’t interest them.

              The only way you can be forced to STFU would be if the site owner, Tony Ortega, bans you, which he rarely does. A very small number have been banned for over-the-top viciousness toward other posters, or for persistently posting total crap.

              You don’t have to do what people on the Internet tell you to do. Ha ha!

            • JJ

              Well um yes metal bars could be a mental issue…especially if one was trying to press ones head through them to get out. Yes then it would be a brain issue…

            • MarcabExpat

              Totally. The bruises look like toast marks, and that causes a helluva engram…

          • Chris Mann

            I think the bars were more of a mental intimidation thing, or just for show. If 30 people can’t escape from a trailer then something is wrong. Trailers are made from a thin sheet of drywall and a thin sheet of aluminum. I don’t think you could hold a bunch of prople, especially grown men in a trailer. You could just kick through the wall. You could break the thin door off the hinges by leaning into it.

            • grundoon

              Ok. Maybe someone who was in the Hole will have something to say about this.

              Or John Brousseau, who installed the bars.

    • grundoon
      • Chris Mann

        An important factor to consider is that he was “escaping” from a group he joined andfrom people he probably worked with and had known personally for years or decades. You’re talking about a close family. As a Scientologist and even more so a Sea Org member you consider other Scientologists to be your brethren. You are more connected to them than anyone else in the world, even family. They teach you as a SO member that you are the “Loyal Officers” and that you are saving the planet and galaxy. So, when he escaped down the anchor line he was escaping from having to confront his peers and that commitment. If he did not believe that and just wanted to leave they would have let him off if he asked. So, even though he zip-lined himself off the ship, he was a prisoner of his own belief.

        • grundoon

          if he just wanted to leave they would have let him off if he asked
          Did he just zip-line for fun then?

        • Robert Eckert

          ” If he did not believe that and just wanted to leave they would have let him off if he asked.” Do you really believe that? Most of us here don’t.

        • pluvo

          Maybe this one will do?

          In early 2008 I guess Colm had had enough of this treatment, he was posted in the Engine Room and had been there for over a year now, ( not a very nice place to work to say the least), so Colm decided to take off. He escaped off the Ship when food was being brought on the Ship, this was in the middle of dry dock and there were a lot of locals working on the Ship at this time, unfortunately for Colm he did not get past the Dock, he was caught by security and put up a real fight! Colm was literally man handled onto the Diana, a small Sailing Boat owned by the Freewinds and that would be his home for the next couple of months, of course under full time watch. The dock workers obviously noticed the commotion and when inquiring into what was going on they were skilfully told that Colm was drunk and this is why he was handled in this manner.
          Not very good public relations for the Ship as you are not allowed to get drunk in this environment and the workers made it known that this was not ok… of course they were handled by the Port Capt and told that this would not happen again, little did they know that Colm was not drunk at all, in fact he was 100% sober but the Port Capt couldn’t very well tell them the truth… Colm was being held prisoner on the Ship against his will!

          Now you may wonder why Colm stayed on the Diana instead of going back to the Ship. Well, he took off right before Maiden Voyage when DM came on Board and Lurie and Sue decided that it would be better to keep Colm away from the “wonderful” DM, so Colm stayed on the Diana until DM left the Ship at which point a bunch of Engineer’s and Security Guards were sent in the early crack of dawn to the Diana and escorted Colm back on Board the Freewinds, his new prison. And of course it was done in the early crack of dawn when no one was there to witness their criminality.

          http://www.scientology-cult.com/re-colm-mclaughlin.html

          • Chris Mann

            I’ve read that story before but with different details. I think a version of this is in one of the books, maybe Messiah of Madman? I don’t know what to say about it.

            • pluvo

              Fair enough. Now – I’ve been ‘detained’ on the Ship myself (after I said I wanted to leave) for 15 months. I was under constant surveillance by camera and a security guard handler.
              Of course as I was full on the Kool-Aid still, I didn’t want to get declared – in that aspect you are right.
              But honestly, I don’t think I could have gone past the security guard on the gangway. Maybe – if I would have been brave – I could have jumped overboard, but even if I would have manged to get ashore, I still would have been without my passport to get anywhere.

              Have you been in the Sea Org?

            • Chris Mann

              Something I brought up above- If you could go back in time to that same situation, but with your present mindset, how would you handle it? Would you just say “open this door and get the F out of my way” and walk out? I haven’t really thought that much about this stuff before and I’m not saying you weren’t detained. I was often relieved that I had an excuse to not join the SO in that I was unqualified. Unqualled, or disqualled, whatever they called it.

            • pluvo

              Thanks for your detailed story above how you got out. You wrote:”I have never been more scared and stressed out”. I can absolutely relate to that feeling – for me that feeling was for 15 months. I was playing ‘normal’ to not break and had all the contradictions swirling around in my mind madly. The best I can refer to this feeling is Orwell’s “1984”. I was honestly concerned that if that would happen, that I would have been put on the Introspection RD and under Baby watch. I don’t think anbody has a chance to get out then.
              With my mind-set today, I would have cetainly gotten out more easily and much earlier. But then again – I would never have been there in the first place.
              At one time I did say that I was under detention and that it would be illegal and that did impinge.
              At the other side there is coercion: For example they also made me sign a NDA on camera. I wanted to say so much into the camera that this would be coercion legally. I had to hold back, because I knew that if I would say it, that it would be back to sec checking.

            • Chris Mann

              It can be a situation where the person is in a state of mind wherein they are “under control” so to speak.

            • pluvo

              “State of mind” yes – but I think, after all the stories I heard and read and listened to, that there is/was additionally also pure physical control, especially at Int.
              E.g. I was hearing the story from Scott and Karry Campell personally and how Scott got tied up by DM’s security guard (who I knew from the ship) somewhere out in the dessert.
              I’ve no doubt that the story is true and don’t think it was exaggerated. I was on the ship when Scott was locked in a room for months because he had a mental break down (althoug I never saw him in that condition).

              F5 – I corrected sth.

            • Qbird

              Did you read Chris’ long post about his experience with Scn., Pluvo?

              It was there, but now it’s gone.. 🙁

            • pluvo

              Yes, I’ve read it. Very good description, it’s a pity that it’s gone. Maybe considered too much personal info.

    • Robert Eckert

      The Hole was locked with bars across the doors.

      • Chris Mann

        Well, look, I wish it was a thing with solid evidence and they could go in and arrest and prosecute people. I just don’t know. The way people have described it sounds bad, but the question is if you asked any of those people at that time if they wanted to leave would they say “yes, I’m being held against my will”. If one of them said they wanted to go, would they have been physically restrained, tackled, tied etc? I think no, but things were pretty crazy there.

    • grundoon
    • grundoon

      Scott Campbell drugged and imprisoned on “Church” of Scientology Ship FREEWINDS
      https://vimeo.com/75087360

    • EricS

      Hi Chris

      Yes, some of what you say is true, for some. Mindset and peer pressure almost certainly play a part.

      Trouble is, according to several reports from those who had been in the “hole”, those in “the Hole” were kept inside a building that had bars put on the windows to keep them there. The door was guarded, and the “inmates” were escorted, in a group, by guards, to the showers. Some may have “willingly stayed” but there was very little chance of them ever being allowed to just walk out the door much less leave the property. When it is demonstrably futile to try to leave, many will give up even trying.

      It might also be good to note that by several reports, people were physically prevented from leaving the property by security as well.

      I have heard very few of the people who “left” (escaped from) Gold Base say that they simply walked out the front gates with a wave of their hand to the guards, to be met with a good cordial smile from those guards. Escaped in a car on the pretext of going to an appointment, yes, but the above… Nope.

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST IS UP

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    What are the chances that deputy talking to Nathanial Thomas voted for Trump? SMH

    • Tony Ortega

      Nathanial Thomas is the name of the guy who shot the video.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Thanks – I corrected it.

  • BosonStark

    So what would have happened to Clearwater city council members had Miscavige not met with them individually, die of pneumonia?

    • ze moo

      Their ‘take people out for a great dinner and a show’ spending money would be gone. And their dogs would go missing too.

  • Len Zinberg

    The idea of rescuing people who have no wish to be rescued is naively foolish. A battered spouse or child who displays physical evidence of abuse can trigger law enforcement to bring charges. But the long term psychological abuse and extreme stress that Scientologists endure do not leave bruises and welts that are easily identifiable. Scientology is guilty of creating a “battered member syndrome” that leaves no visible marks.
    On the other hand, evidence of Scientology motivated crimes, from Fowler to Chait to Saldarriaga to the Faulkners exist in abundance. The Church of Scientology had knowledge of Masterson’s crimes. Obstruction of justice, suborning perjury, and destruction of evidence are the mother’s milk of OSA.
    An aggressive, highly-motivated prosecutor is what’s needed, and one high profile elected official wouldn’t hurt either.

  • rayne troika sheep troll

    okay, and everyone who believes that deputy isn’t a scientologist, with his glazed eyes and euphoria just talking about scientology…. i have a “bridge” i want to sell you 😛
    his tongue was probably bleeding trying not to say “ethical”

    • FredEX2

      ^^^^

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Those who cannot remember the past and so on and so forth…

    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/592e44c19e3e1dd9e47c52ac3b4a0b0d79929e0c939378a94a3e700eeefd5107.jpg

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Chilling

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “……… they’ve helped us solve a lot of crime.”
    Now does the deputy really think Scientologists are able to use their ‘super powers’ as psychic detectives?
    Well, most famous psychics have died:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASjQKSFcHLY&index=1&list=LLE5AXz6WwQVTCVFRFoOpa9w

  • Forest Bird

    I was prepared to defend the cops saying that they’re just doing their job and what happens behind the gates truly is not their business unless and until they have a warrant. But the gushing “I’m soooooooo grateful they’re here, they’ve helped us solve a LOT of crimes! A LOT!” Over the top and frankly a little disturbing. How would church clergy be helpful in A LOOOOOT of crimes? Are they out of an English Countryside Mystery series? Does DM himself Miss Marple his way through catching drug cartels? Does DM demand this kind of LRH fantasy hagiography?

    • Forest Bird

      I want upvotes for this one, people. I gave you an image of DM in a little flowered pillbox hat and purple leather gloves. You’re welcome!

      • Sherbet

        You’ve got mine.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      i know right.. who knew a “church’ was so helpful in solving SO SO MANY Crimes in the middle of nowhere hemet to boot!.. (oveflowing sarcasm!)…

  • Deputy video gone private?

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Planting a seed of doubt in Gold Base? No, kill it before it grows!!
    Scientologists have solved the crime all by themselves: The perpetrator swore it was in self-defence.
    No worries for the deputy, he’s just mentioned in the crime report.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jooqtlN1Wz8

  • Edward Whalley

    I think that Davey is going to find providing Tommy with a Scientology neighborhood to walk around in a lot more difficult than providing him with a flower filled meadow. Unless you can get a whole lot of other Scientologists to move in, the notion of a “safe zone for Scientologists” (where the butcher the baker, the grocer and the candlestick maker are all ‘on the bridge’ and unlikely to, say, carry supermarket tabloids or The New Yorker) just ain’t gonna happen. Even less will you have people who will be wiling to run groceries, dress shops, toy shops, or whatever a modern high street should have: Scientology is a rich man’s game.

    • Kestrel

      Well, if it turns out that scientology shrinks to the point where they end up consolidating in Clearwater, they’re going to need housing and shops.

    • Kristen

      Makes me wonder if the next big push will get members to move, whole cloth, to Clearwater. Instead of booking the members rooms at the Fort Harrison, they’ll sell condos.

      • Edward Whalley

        Interesting idea! It reminds me very much of Hogeweg, in the Netherlands. There, if you have senile dementia, you move into a village of caregivers. Here, if you seek an advanced OT level, you move into a village designed to milk your money….

        Now how do you get rid of someone who’s out of funds…..

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    In 1975 CoS slipped into Clearwater. The cult is toxic AND it strangles Clearwater. (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6c04081e20f84632f48d0882c10738622f653803ed704565f81aa866aeeb9d6.gif

    • Qbird

      omg O_O !

      • FredEX2

        I’m getting a dead bolt lock for my closet and keeping the toilet lid down. Ewwwwww….

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Witness to a crime in and around Int. Base:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiThRIHwQDE

    • JJ

      He’s from Barcelona…

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    That’s true, fascist pigs’ jobs are to protect the wealthy, not to “protect and serve,” that’s bullshit.

    If you still think there are “good cops,” you’re not paying attention.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am paying attention, and I still think there are good cops. Without quotation marks, even.

      And get off my lawn…!

  • Fink Jonas

    The cops are definitely Scientology sold outs on that side of town, I assume they get call for trespassing almost every day, so the church have to keep the donations coming, buying them no problem.

  • Inandout

    Mike and Leah did great work in “Scientology and the Aftermath” and I’m so glad to hear there will be a second season. I was in the cult for 13 years and in the second season I would like to see more expose’ of the OT lunacy about Zenu, body thetans, implant stations, etc., and the unscientific and absurd cosmology of a certified crackpot, to deter the naive, uninformed, and unsuspecting from ever getting involved with the cult. What begins innocently enough can become a nightmare. Forewarned is forearmed.

    • TexasBroad

      Welcome Inandout. I am sorry for your personal nightmare. Glad you are here.

    • Qbird

      Hi Inandout… did you hear of Xenu during your 13 years in?

    • Juicer77

      Welcome. I’m sorry you got involved in the Co$, but glad you are out now. I hope when you left that you didn’t have to leave anyone you love behind. Looking forward to season 2 of the show. It will be amazing.

  • Kestrel

    “Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here.”

    • April

      Don Henley <3

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Cultists being lauded by law enforcement and politicians is an old story in the US. If Jim Jones had the money Miscavige has, his story in SanFrancisco would be more similar than it is. Indeed, history shows that Jones was more of a mover and shaker in San Francisco than Miscavige is, publicly, in Clearwater and Hemet. If the Hemet police love scientology because it provides them with free assistance and more, it is understandable, although not right. When the big scandal hits about Miscavige and the bodies he thought he buried (both figuratively and literally), these police officers will find themselves hung out to dry.

    Tom Cruise and Miscavige may have a great bromance, but Cruise is suffering what female actors have suffered for years- agism. He is no longer the “stud.” Rinder called it correctly, after the first glow of “meeting a star,” the population of Clearwater will lose interest in Cruise.

  • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

    I’m wondering why someone can’t get the feds involved?
    On the surface, it appears that imprisoning their own people & making them do labor is a direct violation of the 13th Amendment, which outlawed slavery & indentured servitude, along with the laws that were passed to enforce the amendment, such as the numerous civil rights acts passed since 1866.

  • Tony Ortega

    Your proprietor has booked his flight and room for HowdyCon 2017, have you?

    We’re almost to the three-month point. Please think about joining us for the festivities this year. Soon we’re going to announce a few more things about it, including some special guests. Join us in Denver June 23-25!

    • MrsLurksALot

      I’m so very sad that I won’t be able to make it. ARGGGHHH!

  • Tracy Schmitz

    “gee, mr.officer like how has scientology helped you, you know YOU being the law, you being the supposed enforcement and upholders of the law! and they have helped in countless ways too? please do tell!”..isn’t it great a religion is so “helpful” in this matter… uh, what again are those countless ways and matters they have helped you again? i guess in 2017 you have NO IDEA, NEVER HEARD OR READ OR SEEN ANYTHING behind those walls or in newspapers, videos, film, magazines, books, word of mouth and on and on about “what goes on behind those walls that is none of your business”! .. ARE THEY FOR REAL? I MEAN REALLY? REALLY?!….
    shame on them for being either in cahoots or monumentally stupid! facebook message to them perhaps?

  • Tim Brown

    Making a false report to the police about people fighting in the middle of the road is a crime.
    But I would really love to hear what kind of crimes Scientology is helping the cops solve.

    Maybe there’s a group of OTVIIIs that just sits around and spots crimes BEFORE THEY HAPPEN.
    Yeah, I’ll bet that’s what it is.
    That would make a good movie …

    Live long and prosper

  • denise

    all this info and comments are great but for gosh sake get out on the internet, find the news outlets that are starting to carry this story and the Danny Masterson Rape Investigations and get people talking. The more people that hear this crap coming out of a Sheriff’s empty head the more chance you have of making an impact. KEEP the conversation going. It one of the few chances to get this operation closed down.

  • Phatpharm

    Must be nice to know that you can molest and rape under age children in the compound and as long as it’s on the compound the deputies don’t care. That is what they said. They don’t care what happens behind the gates. This just sickens me. Does that mean if someone is able to call and report they are being kept against their will those officers will talk to the people in charge and never help them even when they ask because of how much “help they’ve been”? See all those abused “upstanding citizens” and no one believes them. Cosby’s victims… Sandusky’s victims … Bill Gothards viticms … Scientolgy victims … victims of the Catholic Church. My heart hurts.

  • Qbird

    The interview between Tony & Nikita is very good. For more info on Scn.’s origin story, consider:

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/

  • richelieu jr

    “I am sure Miscavige dazzled these bumpkins with video presentations and slick sales talk. Sad to say, he is smarter, tougher and has a lot more money at his disposal than they do. It’s like watching sheep being herded to the slaughter.”

    Well, Miscavige is not s tipped, but he isn’t that smart, either, any more than Trump is “playing 4 Dimensionsl Chess” or some such crap. If you’ve got enough greenbacks and enough sycophants you can fart in people’s faces and Kellyanne Conway or Tommy Davis will go on national TV and swear to os perfume, or Six Million Thetans celebrated the Twin Towers attacks by surfing down on gold bricks…

    Unscrupulous, mega Ricoh and cunning will get you very far indeed PI this world, and thigh I am sure DM is t stupid hed ripped out of High School to devote his life to to polishing LRHs turd collection.

    Like fellow Scientologist Charles Manson, he quickly realized that Scientology’s one true power was in getting other poor souls to polish YOUR turds, and set about putting that intuition to good use.

    Luckily in the Kingdom of the Blinded this One-Eyed Snake had an advantage, and he soon suddenly found himself one Fat Con Artist lighter, an overnight billionaireo

    The “safe pointing” tactics are just a new name for what Capone ADN company in Murder Inc were doing a hundred years ago. If you have an endless confessional Rolodex of Rubes telling you everything they think their neighbor does, and confirming their neighbor and spouses reports on them, it is quite easy to help the Cops close cases. Especially when the cops are interested only pin closing cases and not solving crimes or a justice, and just full enough of their own righteousness to believe they know better than Leah Remini what goes on behind those helpful razor wire gates he protects for free from wanted visitors and questions…

    All of this would be enough to let the little tax cheat run the local Sheriff’s as his private goon squad, as full of themselves as if they’d actually graduated from High School, but much as the Avengers augment RDjr’s sass with A HULK, Davey’s Disconnectors have their CRUISE MISSILE.

    And that smiling, glad handing technology, run on “Star Power”,combined with free tickets to premiers and private luncheons and tix to see whatever new blockbuster for the kids and say, thirty million d ollars can buy you a city council, and twist a toners arm whilst you try and frame the mayor for fleeing the scene if an accidpdent , or whatever lasts long enough to let your Scientology Warrior to fish burning evidence or getting it on the first thing smoking out of town..

    Why an unscrupulous Little Hitler could conceivably kidnap a woman having mental breakdown out of a hospital and lock them up without so much as someone to talk to as they agonizingly died of thirst while some dimwit Johnny Law guarded the building not 15 mètres away, his newly opposable thumbs thrust into his big-Boy tool belt.

    It is none of his bizness what goes on behind those there walls! Why that lovely Mr Miscavige not only bought their New Years booze, but also was instrumental in solving the Case of the Disappearing Downtown!

    It was the Chief the Fire Department, firefighter by days, Arsonist by night: Like booze, simultaneously both the Solution and Cause
    to all of Life’s problems– In all but name, a True Scientologist, Bigly!

  • Glibby

    As far as Riverside goes, scientology had the whole echelon of county supervisors bamboozled. Several years ago they convinced Riverside supervisors to essentially ban protesting in front of someone’s house in order to stop the protests by Anonymous in front of Gold Base (arguing people lived there). The church sent this prepared document about how sadistic, racist, destructive, etc etc etc Anonymous was, by going on 4Chan and getting a bunch of gory pictures and memes and putting them all together, saying this was what Anonymous represented. And the supervisors bought it hook, line and sinker. They were so appalled they made speeches about their disgust at a supervisor meeting, while waving the church’s anti-Anonymous document around–and then banned protesting. Several us spoke at subsequent meetings to try to set them straight, and eventually they back tracked the ordinance. But it was obvious they were cozy with the church, as they were seen chit chatting with Catherine Fraser (from the documentary) as well as with others. Also, we heard the supervisors were given a tour of Gold Base, and apparently were very impressed.