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DRONE FLYOVER: Scientology’s secret base where David Miscavige keeps wife out of sight

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We’ve written numerous times about Scientology’s secretive subsidiary called the Church of Spiritual Technology. CST has a strange mission — to build underground vaults where L. Ron Hubbard’s writings can be stored to survive for tens of thousands of years. And CST has a super-secret headquarters, a small mountain compound east of Los Angeles near a place called Lake Arrowhead.

If storing Hubbard’s words to survive a nuclear holocaust weren’t strange enough, what makes the CST headquarters compound particularly interesting is that multiple lines of evidence have convinced us that it’s the place where David Miscavige has kept his wife, Shelly, out of sight for more than a decade.

Now, for the first time, we’re getting an overhead video look at the CST compound, courtesy of the anonymous drone pilot who last week shared with us his flyovers of the church’s international management base near Hemet, California, called “Int Base” or “Gold Base” by Scientologists.

Int Base is itself secretive, but not on the level of CST. If only a tiny percentage of the world’s Scientologists ever get the chance to visit or work at Int Base, almost none of the top officials at Int Base knew anything about CST’s super-secret headquarters, even though it was just some 50 miles away. Amy Scobee, for example, a top former Sea Org executive for more than 20 years, told us she’d never known where CST’s HQ was located until she left the church.

Most Scientologists today can’t even agree what to call the place. Some call CST’s headquarters compound “Twin Peaks” for a nearby community, others “Rim of the World” for a nearby highway, still others call it “Rimforest” or “Crestline,” for two local villages.

In this map, we place the relative positions of Scientology’s administrative headquarters in Los Angeles (known as “Big Blue” for its paint scheme, and “PAC Base” for Pacific Area Command), Int Base near Hemet (to the right, on the map), and, nearer the top of the map, the location of CST’s headquarters compound, Twin Peaks…

 
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A closer look at the location of the Twin Peaks compound, where a couple of mountain highways come together…

 
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Only one person who has worked at CST and its secret bases has gone public to talk about it. His name is Dylan Gill, and he gave us his first press interview for the Voice back in 2012.

Gill worked for CST from 1988 to 1991, starting his job as just a teenager. He was then moved back to Int Base, then thrown into a Scientology prison, and finally made a break for freedom. (See more about his amazing personal story here.)

We sent Dylan screenshots from the drone footage to help us understand what we’re seeing. But first, take a look at the video itself, and soak in one of Scientology’s most secretive locations. Make sure you go full screen to take in the detail of the 4K camera…

 

 
We grew up in L.A., so we can tell you that this is pretty spectacular country. Well above the city and its congestion, the compound is situated in an idyllic forested setting. Dylan has pointed out in the past that if Shelly Miscavige is living and working here, one of the perks of the place is that it’s not Int Base, with the pressures of working with David Miscavige and being subjected to his whims, which for some executives has included being held at Int Base’s notorious prison, “The Hole.”

Hundreds work at Int Base, but when Dylan was at the CST headquarters, he said there were only 16 to 19 people working there. He says he’s surprised to see so many cars in this footage, so he thinks there might be a few more people working at the compound today.

The video footage begins with the drone approaching the property from the south, coming up and over Rim of the World Highway and approaching the compound from the western end. After rotating around, the drone begins to move slowly over the property to the east.

 
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As it does, Dylan pointed out to us a large building on the left that he said was “Qual” — the qualifications division, where course rooms are ready for delivering Scientology training. On the right, meanwhile, the building with the white roof is a huge log cabin, with four bedrooms and four bathrooms. The smaller outbuilding below it Dylan says was ready to serve as administrative offices.

“The log cabin, that’s where all of the execs would stay when LRH returned,” Dylan says, referring to the Scientology belief that at some point founder L. Ron Hubbard, who died in 1986, would make his return to earth, and would spend several years at a CST location preparing to take over the church again. “Things were shipped in from Montana for the cabin. Everything was hand built…We had two on-site engineers, who were not Scientologists.” In other words, he explains, outside experts were brought in to make sure everything was as sumptuous as possible once Scientology’s top brass came here to stay.

At one point, Dylan, then aged only 19, was sent to New Mexico to pick up log chairs for the cabin. “They sent me with a one-way plane ticket and some cash. I got all the log chairs, rented a van, and drove them back. I stayed overnight in Flagstaff. I went by myself, they really trusted me,” he says.

Despite his young age, Dylan found himself buying electrical generators for CST locations that came directly from Caterpillar and cost up to $400,000. “The accounts I pulled from, from ASI [Author Services, Inc., another Scientology subsidiary], had $14- to $16-million in them at any given time. And I was 19 years old, taking over for someone who had just gone to the RPF.” (The Rehabilitation Project Force is the Sea Org’s prison detail.)

In the late 1980s, in other words, CST was spending money at prodigious rates, but then it had been the entity, according to court documents, that L. Ron Hubbard had bequeathed about half a billion dollars upon his death in 1986. There was plenty of cash then — and even more now. We’ve showed recently that Scientology is still boasting about the expensive technology it uses to preserve Hubbard’s work, with his words etched on steel plates that are stored in titanium containers inside the vaults.

As the drone continues to move, a large building with a complex antenna on top comes into view on the right side.

 
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“That’s one of the original buildings on the property,” Dylan tells us. He says it housed production, the actual work of archiving L. Ron Hubbard’s work for storage in the vault. Immediately above it is a larger building.

“That’s my baby. I built that. That’s the new production building. There’s a clean room in there, with an argon gas system that will flush out all the air and oxygen from the room and replace it,” he says. Based on plans he had access to, he says that high level, confidential material is probably still being archived at the old production building, and more basic material is being processed at the new production building. “These buildings house all of the original crap of Hubbard’s that’s getting archived.”

Also in this view, the location of the vault is coming into view. The circular plaza with three walkways coming out of it is directly on top of the double corrugated steel cylinders that make up the vault itself.

 
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As we move up, the building that is used to get into the vault comes into view. It houses an elevator down to the vault entrance. “I had nightmares about that place for years after I left,” Dylan says. “Weird dreams where I’d be at the vault entrance and the C.O. [commanding officer] would be yelling at me.”

The vault is not deep in the ground. Its two parallel steel cylinders lie just below the surface. “That’s why you can’t build anything on top of them,” Dylan says.

The building above the elevator house, he adds, is berthing for staff, but it’s also where, in his day, the motor pool was. He suspects the current building serves for both — as both a garage and a bunkhouse. Dylan notes that when he worked at the base, staff berthing was in some cabins outside the compound’s entrance. But he thinks this building has been built to keep the staff inside the compound.

And just coming into view on the upper right, he points out, is a large building that’s a mess hall. “It has a big fireplace and seating for about 50 people.”

As the full extent of the mess hall comes into view on the right, on the left we can now see the compound’s biggest structure — the LRH House…

 
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“It’s almost 4,000 square feet. It’s an LRH office on steroids,” Dylan says. This is the elaborate, spare-no-expense home where the reincarnated L. Ron Hubbard, once he finds his way here, would live and do his research until it was time for CST to restore him to his rightful place at the head of Scientology. Or something like that. Dylan admits it was all rather theoretical.

The entrance to the compound, past a guard shack, leads to the lane at the center of the top of this view, and just to the right, at the top, are three buildings. Dylan says they contain offices, and that the leftmost of these is the building that he worked out of. He worked in “estates,” and his job was the facility itself, to build and maintain the compound.

“I am kind of surprised by how many cars are there. and that there are handicapped spaces. I guess they’ve been subject to some scrutiny,” he says. “When I was there the place was rougher.”

The drone begins to shift its view, rotating to the right, and the mess hall is now on the right side as another building comes into view on the upper left.

“See that building, it has a strange roof,” Dylan says.

 
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The drone moves forward and that building comes into better view, along with one beyond it.

And it turns out this is our money shot.

 
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Dylan points out how this is really the view we’ve wanted to see. The new production building is on the right, the mess hall at the lower right, and at the top there’s a clearing with grass and prominent cement pathways.

“Those are the heated pathways I told you about before,” Dylan says. And we remember our previous story with him, when he had explained that after a worker had slipped on an icy sidewalk and broke her wrist, CST spent stunning amounts of money to bring in an expert and make glycol-heated pathways throughout much of the compound to melt snow and ice.

“They brought in a guy who worked on airport runways,” he says.

The pathways connect the production buildings, the mess hall, and on the left, we can now see more clearly two buildings. The one above, Dylan says, is berthing for the commanding officer, who he thinks might be longtime CST executive Sarah Bellin.

But it’s the other building that grabs our attention when Dylan says it’s “exec berthing” and then, almost matter-of-factly, adds…

“If Shelly is there, that’s where she would be living.”

We stare at this view, as Dylan points out how Shelly would take the heated pathways from exec berthing to the production house to work on the archiving project, and then to the mess hall and back to berthing.

We’re staring at what is likely Shelly Miscavige’s entire current world.

“It’s a small property,” Dylan says.

You can say that again. And now, we’ve been given a new understanding of it and just how small it is.

 
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The glamorous life of Emily Jones

Phil Jones sent in this image, telling us that he spotted his daughter, Emily, in the audience during a broadcast of the CW’s “Masters of Illusion.”

 
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Phil and his wife Willie left the church and then their grown children, Emily and Mike, “disconnected” from them in the Scientology way. It motivated them to start a billboard campaign.

Emily, meanwhile, pops up from time to time in the media because she and her husband, John Goodwin, on her left in the photo, work for Scientology’s Galaxy Press, marketing L. Ron Hubbard’s novels, and so they have more freedom than other church workers.

Because they work for Galaxy Press, they aren’t technically Sea Org workers anymore, Phil tells us. “They do get a minimum wage and some perks. She does live a different life than those in the regular Sea Org and always has, even when on David Miscavige’s staff. This show they went to might have been a PR thing. I’m not sure. John is President of Galaxy Press so maybe he has the money and opportunity to go to shows like this. Meanwhile my son Michael slaves away at 100+ hours a week for pennies per hour. They both need to get out and hopefully soon.”

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on September 14, 2016 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I’ve had a day of posting things that have already been covered in the comments (or even in Tony’s blog which I only had time to skim). Please forgive, I am really busy! Here’s another – probably old – story from 7 hours ago.

    Louis Theoux has posted a new international cinema trailer for My Scientology Movie on FB.

    “Check out the brand new international cinema trailer for My Scientology Movie!
    Here’s a few dates for you too…

    Australia – In cinemas now for a limited time! Get it on DVD & digital October 5 http://www.myscientologymovie.com.au

    UK – In select cinemas October 7, Nationwide Live broadcast Q&A with Louis and Adam Buxton, only in cinemas October 10. For participating cinemas visit http://www.myscientologymovie.film.”

    https://www.facebook.com/LouisTheroux/videos/1029635853820930/

    • Draco

      712,000 views!! Not too shabby for a movie that someone who shall not be named saw fit to dis on his blog…

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Crikey!

  • Ms.P

    There you go again Tony. You have 10Xed DM’s and OSA’s paranoia they are freakin out. Now that is a straight up and vertical stat.

  • flyonthewall

    Lockjaw is a bitch. f5

    • Jimmy3

      Zack Galifianakis there is having a good time

      • flyonthewall

        believe it or not Zack Galifianakis does NOT have better things to do than laugh and clap his hands

  • edge

    This is why I love the Bunker and the community. Biting yet hilarious. Thank you again, anonymous tipster. You really make me want to splurge on a new 4K TV. I’d have to dip into my Mark VIII Ultra fund for that πŸ˜›

  • hansje brinker

    Something completely different: Where is LRH?

    • Ben Franklin

      Don’t know, just glad that he is not here.

      • hansje brinker

        It’s “funny”. In every org. there is an office for him; several houses etc. when he is coming back. But in his OT8 letter he wrote something like “I will return not as a religious leader but a political one……… I will not be known to most
        of you”

        • hansje brinker

          So, perhaps Hubbard is back in the body of Trump and only Kristy Allay knows it…..?.According to the letter “my activities misunderstood by many.”

        • Bob Crouch

          Did he indicate a gender? Hillary reminds me a lot of him. Which would also explain the Clintons’ lobbying on behalf of the cult.

          • Missionary Kid

            I think a better explanation was the safepointing of the Clintons by Cruise and Travolta. They obviously didn’t look closely into what they were advocating. Big mistake.

            Trump’s lying has actually gotten worse in the last couple of weeks. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ The percentage of his statements that are pants on fire lies, false, and mostly false have gone up one percent, from 70 to 71%. If you include half-truths, that comes to another 15%, or 86% of what he says. Only 14% of what he says is true or mostly true.

            It’s ironic that he calls Hillary a liar because for the same fact checking on her statements, http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/ for the first 3 categories, her statements are rated at 28%, but, unfortunately, her half-true statements are another 22%, which gives her a score of 50%. That means that 50% of her statements are true or mostly true. That means that she probably has been telling the truth at least 3 times as often as Trump.

            One could say that she’s about 3 1/2 times as truthful as Trump.

            • Bob Crouch

              That’s definitely an alternative explanation. However, you fail to show it’s a “better” one.

              There’s a funny thing at work here. You go off on a totally unrelated rant about Trump allegedly lying. Why address that to me? I didn’t even bring up Hillary’s legendary decades-long track record of habitual lying (another LRH trait she shares). But it’s funny how some folks think calling Trump a liar somehow makes Hillary even marginally honest. It doesn’t!

            • Kim O’Brien

              funny how you joined a cult cuz you thought you would have super powers

            • Bob Crouch

              That is indeed funny. Although you may have addressed your reply to the wrong person, as I did not join the cult. No need to. I already have super powers much better than theirs. πŸ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              I apologize. I’m angry enough about Hillary being the nominee, but I’m volcanic (pun intended) about Trump.

              The Clintons need to get smacked for their Co$ support in Germany and other places.

              I wrote about 3 pages more, but I again apologize for going off on you, so I cut this short.

            • Bob Crouch

              Fair enough, no harm done. Let’s just agree on the obvious: Not a happy one, this election year.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. Agreed.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I hope this doesn’t sound harsh, but don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous to start a new subject with a negative comparison of the main subject of this forum to one of the Presidential candidates during the last 2 months of the election and then be surprised or affronted when someone counters by bringing up the other candidate?

            MK didn’t open the door.

            ps – I’m not a Democrat.

            • Bob Crouch

              You’re right about the fact that any candidate is fair game for discussion. I just made the point that one scoundrel does NOT make the other one less of a scoundrel.

              With all the Trump bashing that rolls all too easily off of the media’s tongues, it serves voters well to take a look at the other candidate as well rather than ignore a lot of stuff that MUST NOT be ignored.

              But, as I said, I take your point.

    • Missionary Kid

      Supposedly, he was cremated, and his ashes scattered over the ocean. On the other hand, Co$ claims that he’s at Target 2.

      • hansje brinker

        Well, he can give us an up-date and say hello.

  • Bob Crouch

    It is REALLY time that scientology drop its disconnection policy and Emily gets to call her REAL Dad. Her choice of husband makes it painfully obvious that this girl has serious Daddy issues! Yikes!

  • Beth

    Maybe a bit early in the day, but the eeriness and themes remind me so much of what we’re seeing….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCXq9QB-dQ

  • BosonStark

    Because of this, they’re not going to be able to keep Shelly out behind a building on her stake and chain, for her weekly one hour of fresh air.

    Since the place was completely dead, would have been nice if the drone swooped in for some closer shots. But I guess with so many trees around, might be risky.

    • I was thinking that. I wonder how many changes have been made in Scientology ‘bases’ to ‘protect’ against overflights and how paranoid they are. Will people have to keep blinds closed and load vehicles under cover, for example.

      As for getting closer – that 4K camera has recorded a lot of detail that can’t be seen by most of us, who are not using equipment that gets the most from it. People will be going over that footage frame-by-frame and blowing a lot of it up.

      Even if there were no more overflights, this story isn’t over yet.

  • grundoon

    “But why is CST digging these vaults anyway? That’s something no one ever seems to explain. But we think we have a clue.”

    The History of Scientology’s Weird Vaults β€” The Bizarre Battlefield Earth Connection!

  • Lousy Ratatouille
    • Mooser42001

      Oh, I was all set to sing along, but I see there’s no “Gilded” in the title.

    • flyonthewall

      despite all my engrams I am still just a clam in a cage
      someone will say what is ran out can never be re-stim’d
      despite all my engrams I am still just a clam in a cage

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And then there’s this less well known number:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TOsSGP-D3Q

  • Mooser42001

    “We’re staring at what is likely Shelly Miscavige’s entire current world.”

    He put her in a pumpkin shell,and there he kept her very well.

    • flyonthewall

      she should fake a heart attack or seizure and get taken to the hospital. I know all the best escape techniques

      • Kestrel

        Yeah, a trip to the hospital worked out so well for Lisa MacPherson.

        • flyonthewall

          Ok….little different situation but ok.

          At least she’ll get a ride in the car. That would be nice

  • Tory Christman

    Thank you to Dylan Gill for helping us understand
    CST. I have always heard LRH’s “future home”
    Was the big house built at “Gold”.
    So? Is The CST pad his pre-house
    OR what? πŸ™‚ “heated sidewalks”?
    To think I was one of the many suckers
    Who helped pay for CST/monthly!! Argh.
    Phil & Willie….continuous HOPE your
    Kids WTFU, and get OUT!

    • Tory Christman

      I talked to Dylan & he explained the
      “Gold” LRH house: “There is one on
      Every CST location for him.”
      As he said, “It’s like an LRH office
      10X.” πŸ™‚
      He’s a great guy who as many,
      Has been through a lot due to
      $cientology’s abusive “Disconnection”.

      • Juicer77

        Thanks for being a friend to him, Tory. πŸ™‚

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I am surprised by the amount of traffic on the nearby highway. I thought this compound was more isolated. Is it possible that developers are extending the suburbs to this area? At any rate, no matter what Miscavige’s ego tells him, he is no King Arthur, his wife is not Guinevere, and her exile to the secret “convent” is no longer secret, especially after this fly-over video goes viral.

    • Missionary Kid

      You can’t see the Twin Peaks property very well because the major part of it is above the surrounding roads. Looking up, from Google Earth street view, you will see very little, and not even know it’s there.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “Is anybody out there?”
    Real science and real technology?
    Here the Voyager Golden Record is explained and followed by examples of human voice, greetings in different languages.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bpQusVuI-0

    • Rasha

      http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/where/ I often check the real-time odometers, and remember that the signals they are sending back have all the energy of 10^-16 watts….

      This is science, and perspective. I am still trying to follow up on the “science” and “technology” advances that come from jaunting flippantly off to Venus to be run down by freight locomotives…

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Is DM playing a Shelly game?
    A smart cat shell game –
    http://m.imgur.com/gallery/dIiJwqA

    • stillgrace2

      That clip made my day! Thanks.

  • Stephanie Loving

    Thank you Dylan. I noticed the fresh clear parking zones with Calif. mandated handicapped zones. What I found funny was that someone actually parked in a handicapped zone? Folks working at CST should be CLEAR, right? No ailments. Ha. And if it was just laziness … isn’t that a CO$ sin as well? Even when there are numerous empty spaces, this fella parks in the handicapped. Doubt any police come to the compound to hand out tickets though. Right?

    • flyonthewall

      and there’s a jerk taking up two spaces

    • Susan black

      It may be the law to have one handicap space per so many public parking spots.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    What are these things I am holding in my hands, I hear you ask. Oh, nothing much; just tickets for My Scientology Movie! πŸ˜€

    • gtsix
      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I am taking my mum, but you can come, too. Also, that photo is hilarious!

      • Mockingbird

        What kind of cat is that !!?

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          A furious one.

          • Mockingbird

            Beyond grumpy !

        • flyonthewall

          long hair that had a bath and got dried off

        • gtsix

          No idea, copied from the interwebz

        • Rasha

          Schnauzer, perhaps?

      • Liberated

        That is one bad ass looking cat.

    • Lucille Austero

      Lucky duck!

    • flyonthewall

      ….

    • Graham

      Yep, I’ve got mine too!

      • gtsix

        Oh hi……..

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I’m cracking up! Do you have a personal library of affronted cats photos?

          • gtsix

            I do love evil cat pictures πŸ™‚ These are all from a post on pleatedjeans.com called “cats who want to kill you” (or something like that)

          • Ella Raitch

            Or a collection of affronted cats

    • Juicer77

      Got mine, too. πŸ˜‰

    • Interested2

      Where do I get them. Helppppp. Andrea pleeeeeze

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Here you go, my lovely. Just type in your postcode and it will bring up a list of all the cinemas near you where the film is showing. There were absolutely tonnes of places to watch it where I am; I was so surprised.

        http://www.myscientologymovie.film/showtimes

    • Observer

      Show-off! :-p

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I wonder what mum is going to think πŸ˜›

        • Ella Raitch

          Prolly that the large American man needs more manners

    • sizzle8
      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Eek!

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Yippie Skippie.. Can you guess who this is sweet blondie? xoxooxox love baby

      and Rev, Dee says Hoot Hoot…

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Baaaaby, you’re with Dee?! Please kiss her cheek from me, then ask her to kiss your cheek also from me πŸ™‚ Love you both.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Smooches given.. xoxooxox love you too darlin.. and Rev. Dee.. says… ” Awwwww I love her too..”

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Hey, here we are having a blast and thinking of you and wish we could go with you to the movie.

      • Ella Raitch

        I hope you two are up to no good (and if it involves Hole send my love)

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Hi El… We are.. We’re having our cocktails now.. as I told 6 we have lost contact with Hole. xo

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Yes, we’re up to no good of course, haha. Haven’t seen or heard from Hole in a very long time.

      • gtsix

        This had me confused til I-betty’s post. Babeh is tricksy. Hi Dee! (and i, echo ella, send hole some luvs from me, if she’s round)

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Hi 6.. I am very Tricksy.. and Rev. says hi.. and have lost touch with Hole.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      So jelly!! πŸ˜€ Have fun sweetie. ❀️

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Thank you so much, Nolly. I’m even more excited this time for some reason. 26 more sleeps!

    • The nearest cinema to me that is showing the film is in Exeter, which is only 40 miles away from me. When did QR codes on you phone become your ticket? Whatever – it may be virtual, but I still have it. Almost sold out, too.

      Thanks for the tip.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Hooray, I’m so pleased! I was really surprised how many theatres are showing it.

        • Mines for the 10th, but you get to see the live Q&A with Louis afterwards. That should be interesting.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I’m the 10th, too πŸ™‚

        • Liberated

          I wish I had someone fun to go see the movie with, like you guys.
          When it finally is shown in my part of the world (January), I suppose I’ll being seeing it all alone.
          Most people here don’t even know what the cult is, and the older group doesn’t care two-cents, and everybody else is dead.
          There’s an OT 8 about 45 mi. north from me, wonder if I should ask her? Ha ha ha.

          She wouldn’t approve of such entheta.
          She still thinks the cult is “a good thing.”
          Plus, I absolutely can’t stand her. I’ll go alone and might even act-up!

    • Ella Raitch

      Your second viewing right? I might be able to score a second go round next week (sorry for flaunting, but would like to get a 2nd impression)

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Yes, my second time, but it’s been almost a year and I’ve forgotten so much. I cannot wait! Hope you manage to see it for a second time πŸ™‚

    • Bo

      Lucky you. Have fun! We will expect a full report afterwards. And no semicolons.

  • Graham

    I’m puzzled by the disabled parking spaces. This is private land and presumably not open to the public, what with it being a Secrit Base an’ all. Can the State really mandate the layout of private parking areas on private land?

    • flyonthewall

      It’s prob not zoned as a private residence so I would imagine they’re subject to all kinds of codes etc. California is very strict about handicap accessibility.

      • Graham

        So it’s possible that it doesn’t have zoning for a secret base and wayward-wife holding facility and is having to pretend to be something actually useful? A small factory manufacturing Ron Replica materials, or a storage container facility where people can store all that old family junk nobody wants but can’t bear to throw out?

        • flyonthewall

          I’ll ask my cousin. He works in the California dept of eccentric cult compounds. Will let you know

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            You’re wonderful πŸ˜€

        • Missionary Kid

          If it were a camp of some sort, a certain percentage of parking spaces must be allocated for handicapped people. It has a common dining room, and they probably had to tell the County that they had a certain amount of employees and residents there for the permits. Parking requirements are based upon that.

    • Juicer77

      If the land is privately owned there are still health and safety codes. If the space is for any occupancy higher than a dozen (for example) it would be subject to accessibility laws under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

    • Kestrel

      It is clear from the photograph that the compound has parking areas, or lots, for multiple cars. It’s my understanding that they must provide parking spaces for the disabled in such a scenario, even though the land is privately-owned and presumably has access restricted to select people.
      A parking garage restricted to the occupants of an office building would have to have them, and it is private property with restricted access.
      Now, who would enforce the regulation? No one, if there were no complaints.

    • Yes. Welcome to California. We try and take care of our stuff πŸ™‚

    • Missionary Kid

      It doesn’t matter if it is private. They probably designated it on the plans as a common dining room, and that the facilities are to be used for instruction. It’s a part of California law. I’m sure that they disregard it because no public is allowed, and the county doesn’t inspect the property, unless it’s for fire safety.

    • It’s okay, the person has a Morally Handicapped sticker.

      • Graham

        Ethically Challenged!

  • Graham

    All this talk of glycol keeps reminding me of Glycon, Alan Moore’s god-of-choice.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cam2kK7J_8k

  • Mockingbird

    Good CST filled day Bunkeroos.

    The whole CST story is something right out of a bizarre conspiracy theory story, but CST and David Miscavige unfortunately really exist. Even when I was deep in Scientology the notion of a hidden base designed to survive nuclear holocaust and smash Ron Hubbard’s name into history in such a way that even if all books were destroyed it would still survive was surreal.

    I was given quick whispers of a base secure from nuclear weapons and a fortified location underground. I was told confidentially that the base had a vault on rollers that would survive earthquakes and any possible attacks.

    It’s a very complex story that changes from telling to telling. It gave a special glee and euphoria to some Scientologists. I honestly think they felt death itself was defeated by the permanence they felt Scientology technology itself had achieved. They dreamed of a cataclysmic event that ends our civilization, perhaps nuclear war or climate catastrophe or a simple collapse of modern society. Perhaps starvation, water shortages or an end to fossil fuels brings on a significant extinction of humanity.

    The Scientologists foresee a dark age and struggle. They see a future time perhaps decades, centuries or even millennia after the collapse. They see a rediscovery of Scientology and Ron Hubbard himself. They see the people that find and practice this technology as raising a new civilization that fully embraces Scientology. It becomes their official religion and government.

    Any failures are seen as resulting from a failure to fully restore one hundred percent standard tech and never from any flaws in Scientology itself or Hubbard.

    The people raised in Scientology with Hubbard’s language, methods and doctrine would have a very hard time even considering that Hubbard or the technology could be wrong. The very morals and basic values they hold are from Hubbard. Their schools are Scientology academies. Their parents are all Scientologists. Their entire world is Scientology and the criminals and pariahs in their society are labeled SPs, PTSs and DBs.

    It all seems to make sense.

    This dystopian fantasy gave some Scientologists a perverse pleasure. It’s a variation of schadenfreude.

    There’s a feeling some members of apocalyptic religions or groups get that is the ultimate “I will win in the end, or I will laugh last.” It’s the idea that the follower of a religion will be in paradise in the afterlife while infidels will suffer eternally.

    It’s in Scientology in the idea of happy future lives for devout Scientologists who follow Hubbard’s teachings and an eternal decline down to becoming a BT for others. The idea is the thetans that don’t use Scientology will become so degraded they can’t pick up bodies after committing too many overts against bodies. The thetans then per Hubbard and his doctrine become blind, deaf, in constant agony and amnesia. Unable to face their pasts and feeling degraded they suffer alone for eternity.

    That’s Hubbard’s claims to terrify and control people. After all, what wouldn’t you do to avoid eternal irrevocable damnation for everyone ?

    And what would you do to become a God ? A God with perfect character, perfect sanity, excellent judgment and immeasurable powers of mind too numerous and powerful to describe ?

    The CST story in Scientology has a special place of serving to bolster the faith and confidence of Scientologists. They see CST as an ultimate failsafe so no matter what Scientology and they – through their devotion to Scientology – will survive and win. No matter who or what comes.

    It gives them a sense of undeniable and inevitable power and ultimate victory. That’s something most of us don’t have.

    Zealots and fanatics love CST and Scientology is designed to create fanatics and zealots.

    • Liberated

      How is all this fear and conspiracy talk different from what Alex Jones, end of the world preppers, white supremacy fear-mongering groups and their ridiculous rhetoric.
      It’s not. Same old us against them, but our group is best because we’re the most elite group of all.

      Creating mystery based on fear, and we’re the only ones who have these secrets…….well, isn’t that the oldest marketing technique in the world?

      • Missionary Kid

        Yes, it is one of the oldest marketing techniques, but the major way in which we differ from Jones and his ilk is that our focus isn’t on the world in general, with interlocking, complex conspiracy theories based upon someone’s internet whispers.

        Who said that we’re elite anyway? Most of us are people who interact with the rest of the world in our real lives as normal people, and not isolated people who only associate among ourselves. We have spouses, children, and parents and friends who have no interest in what we do. We aren’t arming ourselves, or creating real survival bunkers.

        I’ve been to gatherings of both Indy’s and exes, and found that a lot of the talk is of other things. The people there often have interesting interests that have absolutely nothing to do with Co$.

        The biggest difference between us and conspiracy theorists is that among us are a great many people who have been in $cientology, or have been affected by it. How many ex-Bilderbergers or Bohemian Grove or Trilateral Commission and other supposed conspiracies does Alex have among his supporters that can prove their associations?

        We have people here that have been hurt or attacked or disconnected from simply because they displeased someone in $cientology or didn’t act like Co$ said they should. It is a matter of direct experience.

      • Mockingbird

        Haha. I thought of saying it seems like an Alex Jones or David Icke story. In fact there are conspiracy theorists that love digging through David Icke and Ron Hubbard stories. Some serious conspiracy believers think there is a deep level of control that Ron Hubbard and a few other “enlightened masters” knew. They alternate between believing Hubbard was an agent of the conspiracy and that he fought the conspiracy or was replaced by a double at some point or an interdimensional shape shifter.

        Even without the conspiracy craziness Hubbard’s story is out there.

      • Mockingbird

        Us versus them may be our heritage but if we don’t grow up past that we are quite likely to create our own extinction. Our weapons are too powerful, our environment too fragile and the window to change our ways too tiny for us to continue as we have.

        It’s advance past foolish prejudices or perish for us. I don’t see any other alternatives. Which may be tragic as we show few signs of giving up our bigoted and belligerent ways.

        Well, it had some good times while we were here.

    • Missionary Kid

      I really wouldn’t care so much about CST, or $cientology, but I hate that they’ve ripped so many people off, made them poor, and don’t provide anything of benefit to the world at large while persecuting anyone who speaks up against them, particularly the exes and the indies or anyone who dares question them.

      • Mockingbird

        Lots of exes get a degree of relief and recovery from reading and posting. They can see their experience is a shared one and try to express what happened. To express it all at once is impossible.

        But by recalling a bit here and a little there progress is possible. Some take on much more than others. Some have much more to recover from. Some have a long way to go to stability or happiness.

        The damage from Scientology doesn’t end by walking out of an org.

        • Missionary Kid

          The same, could be said about harmful religious practices of other cults. I watched a show the other day on a woman’s escape from the FLDS, and in many ways, it was worse than Co$.

          This woman was strapped down and had her teeth drilled on for punishment. She was blamed for her father molesting her and her two pregnancies. (An abortion was done without anesthesia. On the other one, she self-induced an abortion). Her escape was something like getting out of Gold Base, with the “god squad” chasing her.

          • Mockingbird

            That’s terrible. I wish no one went through that.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Great post.

      • Mockingbird

        Tweren’t nothin’. Thanks. The more ideas I see about Scientology and the further I move away in my perspective by studying other subjects the easier it gets. I get different options for thinking by learning the most basic concepts and terms from other subjects and that allows reframing Scientology and everything else.

        I have a lot of stories that others have already told before and better than I do, but telling them myself helps to free up thought and ultimately emotions and behavior on the associated areas.

        It makes thinking more clearly gradually possible. Scientology creates a kind of eternal fog of confusion in the mind. Between the loaded language, double speak, reversals, grammar alterations, contradictions and other thought reform techniques the Scientologist gets lost in a miasma (poisonous atmosphere) regarding critical thinking. That’s entirely intentionally created by Hubbard.

        Learning how the fog of deception or smoke and mirrors are used helps to lay out how to undo them.

        Eric Hoffer and Margaret Singer and Robert Jay Lifton and Jon Atack have all described how cults use unverified, vague and contradictory claims to lure in, confuse and retain members. John Stuart Mill described how ideas have to be brought out into the open and spoken, shared, written, criticized and looked at from both the supporting and opposing views to be understood.

        Having ideas in complex, interlocking, overlapping, contradictory, double speak filled and hazy, unreal terms makes understanding them difficult. Then adding prohibition of discussion and debate solidifies the haze into an inescapable ember that encapsulates individual thought. It’s stopped from even properly developing.

        That’s the test of cult doctrine: does it use faith that blinds ? Does it use delusional certainty without critical analysis ? Does it encourage questions or provide all encompassing answers so no questions are necessary ? Does it inspire individual creativity or demand conformity ? Is everything up for debate or is the doctrine and founder beyond doubt ?

        The tests become easier to see the farther in one went and the more thoroughly they had to dig to come out.

  • Ann B Watson

    Thank you Tony,thank you to the pilot and hugs to Dylan for his amazing tour and story.I think the use of drones especially in places like Int and CST well it is astounding to me what can be done with them.What lingered in my mind was an image of Shelly walking back and forth to her place of work and back to her living space.Endlessly.She was after my time and in her picture to me she has a very hard looking face,but no-one should be held prisoner with no power of their own to decide if they want to leave.The scenery around Lake Arrowhead is spectacular in places,too bad the Cult continues to spoil everything it touches.Also I find it most amusing that Ron will return,live in his house and take back the church!But there probably are some that believe to the end this will occur.He always had a gimmick and planting a story of his return would be just up his ally!Please Ron stay where you are!❀️❀️

  • Mockingbird

    I apologize if someone else already referred to the reason for CST. It’s designed to preserve Scientology for millennia.

    Hubbard made his intent clear in the famous “Skipper” letter.

    “Foolishly perhaps, but determined none the less, I have high hopes of smashing my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form even if all the books are destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as I am concerned. Things which stand too consistently in its way make me nervous. It’s a pretty big job. In a hundred years Roosevelt will have been forgotten β€” which gives some idea of the magnitude of my attempt. And all this boils and froths inside my head and I’m miserable when I am blocked.” Ron Hubbard

    He wanted his NAME to survive for as long as possible. That’s it. He wanted to defy death. How being thought of by other people who he never knows defies death is a matter I don’t quite get. If you are dead, you are dead.

    • Frodis73

      I hate that quote. What an ass, sorry Hubs, but people will be talking about Roosevelt and others for a heck of a lot longer than 100 years.

      • Liberated

        The only time old hubs name will be recalled is when people are discussing the greatest con-men of the 20th century.

        • aegerprimo

          And people discuss con-men like they discuss serial killers and tyrants… with disgust.

      • Mockingbird

        I think it’s a great quote – it reveals his true character. That’s the essential cure for Scientology: truth.

    • Beth

      Makes me think of the 3 deaths idea – laid out by David Eagleman in this quote: β€œThere are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time.” I think that for a narcissist like Hubbard, the last is the most terrifying. If he’s not being admired, then there’s only the abyss. With the rest of us. Oh the horror.

      • Mockingbird

        Yeah. I accept the first death as usually final. When I think, feel and act no more it’s over. My reputation won’t affect me.

        It can hurt or help other people but I won’t be watching from the grave.

        • Beth

          With you 100% on that.

          • Mockingbird

            We aren’t smashing our names into history ! I want my family to know I loved them with all my heart while I lived, because I hope it brings them comfort. But my name ? It will be forgotten in the briefest of moments and that is okay.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Ah ha…all that boiling and frothing inside must have caused his cyst.

      • Mockingbird

        His cyst was the least of his problems. His mind was the real weak point. Many thousands suffered from it’s deficiencies.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Painfully, have seen that up close and personal.

          • Mockingbird

            Yuck, a mind is a terrible thing – when it’s as narcissistic and sociopathic as Hubbard’s.

  • mikecrosby

    On “Google Maps” type in Hwy 18 and Lake Gregory Dr'”. CST is on the northeast side. I presume that’s where Shelly is. For how many years? How sad. And nothing can be done about it? I hope to check it out tomorrow.

  • aegerprimo
    • flyonthewall

      Mangos are delish but I can never figure how to cut them πŸ™

        • flyonthewall

          Google! *face palm* Why didn’t I think of that??

          • Jimmy3

            This is some type of witchcraft. Nat-leificienicint is a known witch. Ignore this

          • To be honest I usually eat them with lemon and chile on a stick — Mexican style

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElXfS3F7e6k

            • flyonthewall

              chili?? That wouldn’t of occurred to me in a million years. She didn’t put lemon on her’s did she? Ok I’m going to do this for real next time they have mangos at the store. See I like to try new things unlike some lame-o’s

            • Vaquera

              Yes! Used to get them once a month at the mercado.

          • Fly Lady

            I googled face palm for you…
            faceΒ·palm
            ˈfāspÀ(l)m/
            noun
            1.
            a gesture in which the palm of one’s hand is brought to one’s face, as an expression of disbelief, shame, or exasperation.
            “the site collects photos of our favorite facepalms”
            verb
            1.
            bring the palm of one’s hand to one’s face, as an expression of disbelief, shame, or exasperation.
            “how many times did she facepalm during the hearing?”
            You’re welcome.

            • flyonthewall

            • Fly Lady

              No, no, no… that is called “eating a sandwich.”

            • flyonthewall

              *sigh* Ok busting out the beat gif again. f5

            • Fly Lady

              That’s ok, I like it.

            • flyonthewall

              in that case, let’s really get freaky! f5

            • Fly Lady

              I wish I could upvote this 64 times…

            • flyonthewall

              oh yeah you like that don’t you? yeah

            • flyonthewall

              this.is.great.

            • flyonthewall

              you’re trying to hypnotize me!

          • MarcabExpat

            I posted an even easier way, above. But this one is popular, too πŸ™‚

            • flyonthewall

              I saw that, thank you! πŸ™‚

            • Ella Raitch

              I don’t get the cutting the corners bit

            • MarcabExpat

              It’s basically step 7 in the nice pictorial that Nat posted. Once you cut off the flat sides, the once round mango is roughly box-shaped. There’s a lot of remaining pulp there and if you slice it diagonally off the “corners” (for lack of a better word) you can get it pretty much clean.

            • Ella Raitch

              Gotcha

      • Susan black

        Best to stick a fork in stem end of mango then make four cuts from top to fork. Peel skin away and you have a mango popcycle. Eat naked while standing in ocean while watching sun go down. Or shower, if no ocean:)

        • flyonthewall

          yeah Nat said a similar thing but mexican style with lemon and chili powder! You heard of that?

          • Susan black

            Yes. Lime juice and chile powder on sweet fruit. I don’t get it.

          • Vaquera

            So yummy!

            • flyonthewall

              am I the only one who never heard of this?

            • Vaquera

              No darlin’.

          • Suzy

            We had some on sticks in Puerto Vallarta this summer!! You must try them, you must

      • Fly Lady

        You’re wrong… mangos taste like rotten oranges.

        • Susan black

          Blasphemy!

        • flyonthewall

          no, rotten oranges taste like rotten oranges

        • Observer

          I agree.

          • Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

            • flyonthewall

              FlyLady didn’t even want to eat fresh figs straight off the tree! f5

            • I. Can’t. Even. πŸ™

            • Observer

              Mango is one of those things you love or you hate. I fall on the hate side. Papaya, too.

        • Suzy

          Have you had a Manila Mango? They are delish in S. California

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        How do you tell when a mango is ripe?

        • Are you asking or telling a joke?

        • flyonthewall

          i am afraid to answer this

      • MarcabExpat

        Safe, efficient mango cutting directions courtesy of a Floridian:

        requirements: 1 ripe mango – 1 sharp knife – one cutting board, pref. not too slippery

        1. stand mango on end. Holding it upright with your left hand (or your right hand if you’re left-handed), turn it so the flat sides are facing to your left and right–i.e., you’re seeing a narrow view. The seed is pretty flat, so now the edge is facing you.
        2. take your sharp knife and slice off the flat side to your right (or your left, if you’re cutting with your left hand). Cut close to the seed, but don’t actually get any seed in the cut.
        3. Swivel the mango around in your holding hand so the remaining uncut side is facing your cutting hand. Cut that flat side off, same as the first.
        4. Now you have a mostly-cut mango, but those edges look delicious. Can you get any more fruit off it? Yep, a good bit. Swivel it a little way and cut, from top to bottom, at an angle so that you’re cutting off the *corner* not the side. Swivel three more times to get all four “corners.” You should end up with four long, slightly irregular strips, or more if it comes off in more than one piece. This is fine.
        5. Now you hopefully have a seed with no more fruit that can be easily cut off. Don’t break your heart trying to get every last shred. It won’t work. You’ve just done the feasible maximum. Discard the seed.
        6. Don’t try to peel yet. Take your two big halves and cut them into long strips, peel and all.
        7. Now you can easily peel all your strips: take one at a time in your holding hand, fruit down and peel up. Peel the strips thinly just as you would apple slices. Compost the peel. Cut your delicious mango strips into convenient chunks and serve, or throw in blender as is if making a smoothie or some other dish.

  • coonellie

    Okay, so OT sort of, but I’ve only slept 4 hours and am back to work…so, here goes. After reading the drone report I kept thinking of a strange sci-fi, dystopian end-of-world movie where survivors from LA head for the hills and come across the LRH house. They can’t believe their luck. A 4000 sf tricked-out house with outdoor heated walkways. The horror starts when the vault elevator turns on.

    • Techie

      “The Thing in the Vault”.
      “The Children of the Con”.
      “Aliens Among Us.”.
      “It Came on a DC9 From Outer Space”. Alternate plot – they break into the vault and break open the titanium containers thinking anything this well protected must be valuable. Maybe weapons, or food, or seed stock. When exhausted, bloody fingered, desperately hungry and thirsty disaster refugees finally unearth the precious contents of the sealed vaults, they collapse in horror to find: “The dynamic principle of Existence is to Survive. PV=id^x.” The solar battery powered record player seems like a useful find until it becomes clear that all the records are some whacko spouting nonsense.

      • They could probably beat the nickel pages into something useful.

    • MarcabExpat

      May I suggest a new career as a sleep-deprived screenwriter.

    • Ann B Watson

      I really like this post.Thank you!❀️❀️

  • Kim O’Brien

    I’d suck some cock on Hollywood Boulevard for a bootlegged copy of Louis’ movie

    just throwing that out there

    • Sarah James

      Let’s just leave the cock sucking to the expert, Captain david ” let him die” Miscavige.

    • Graham

      You and Slappy Miscavige both πŸ˜‰

    • Missionary Kid

      That post is gonna come back and bite you. I know you didn’t mean it, and that you want to reeely reeely see the movie, but I would suggest you rephrase that one.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i meant every word . I won’t join a freaking CULT …but i’ll suck a cock . Anyone who would google my name …prolly already knows that .

        • Jimmy3

          I just googled your name and there is some old curmudgeon hating on you for sucking cock.

          • Kim O’Brien

            prolly my dad . He wanted me to go to law school …but i said ..no way man , i am going to Hollywood to follow my dreams , . So ..i bought some knee pads and off I went .

            • flyonthewall

              Roller Derby?

            • Kim O’Brien

              that’s what we told my mom

            • LongtimeLurker

              This is the best thread ever.

        • Missionary Kid

          OK. I just wanted to throw that out there.

          • Kim O’Brien

            πŸ™‚

      • flyonthewall

        there ain’t no shame in this hoe’s game, and you know this man!

        • Kim O’Brien

          Edited for taste

          • flyonthewall

            ……

    • Missionary Kid

      I wonder if that post is gonna show up if someone googles your name.

    • Ella Raitch
    • aegerprimo
    • LongtimeLurker

      If you can wait a bit I could ship you a legit DVD. Madman’s turnaround to home formats is usually pretty short.

      Not that I’m judging your original plan. We’ve all been there.

      • Kim O’Brien

        your avi is amazeballs

        • LongtimeLurker

          Lol.

          • mikecrosby

            My, I see Kim is rather reserved.

            • Mymy88

              LMAO!

  • J. Swift

    One of the Cult of Scientology’s problems is that L. Ron Hubbard wanted his works preserved for eternity. What Hubbard did in his estate planning to ensure this would happen was to create the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST) and order that it be heavily funded. This is why, as of 2012, CST’s book value was $447,192,921: https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/16/church-of-spiritual-technology-990-t-irs-filings/

    Per Hubbard, money has to keep flowing into CST’s coffers from CSI. Per IRS rules, CST’s money is designated for archival work and can’t be spent elsewhere; it can only be spent burying Hubbard’s work in the ground.

    The Church of Scientology is Hubbard’s immortality project. In the ultimate sense, the End Phenomena of Scientology is this: Burying Hubbard’s works in the ground. But one must ask if this will truly ensure Hubbard’s immortality. In its 1991 application for 501(c)3 tax exemption, the Church of Scientology admitted to the IRS that there was no guarantee that CST vaults would be safe from vandals and looters melting down the metals for other uses:

    http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/Vaults.3_zpsegplv7ym.png

    • J. Swift

      Jim Gill flew over CST Base in remote Trementina, New Mexico several years ago in an airplane:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biLE4UR-C7M

      • Ella Raitch

        Fingers crosed Trementina had a more recent fly-over

      • flyonthewall

        this is really cool, thnx

      • Missionary Kid

        The airport is called San Miguel, it’s at 6,300′, and is 5,600 ft. long. It’s not listed among New Mexico Airports (by request), but the feds have it listed on aviation charts. At that altitude, it’s a fairly short runway. I would have to look it up, but I don’t think it’s really a good one for most jets. It would be O.K. for a powerful twin or small plane with enough power.

        • Noesis

          At that altitude (depending on the air temperature) a single engine prop plane would need about 30% more runway that at sea level to take off safely.

          It is the density altitude (often ~ 9000 ft.) around Reno, CA (actual elevation ~ 5100 ft.) in the summer (when the temperatures are frequently 90+ degrees) that makes flying small aircraft from vicinity airports a very dangerous activity, particularly for folks that do not do so often enough to become familiar with the perils.

          • Missionary Kid

            At least, the airport is on a plateau, and there’s no obstacles around it. I still wouldn’t want to land off airport. That looks like rough country.

            Here, in the summer, Thermal, (KTRM) which is at -115 msl, density altitudes often reach 3,500′, and at Big Bear, L35, which is nearly 80 sm to the northwest of Thermal, where the altitude is 6,752, often has summer density altitudes well over 10,000′.

            The problem with Big bear is that it’s so close to the L.A. basin, where a lot of flat-landers forget about density altitude in the summer. They fly up there in the morning, fill up on cheap avgas and don’t leave until the afternoon. Luckily, they usually take off to the west, and can stay in ground effect over the lake, which has denser air right over it.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Per IRS rules, CST’s money is designated for archival work and can’t be
      spent elsewhere; it can only be spent burying Hubbard’s work in the
      ground.”

      I’ll donate to that worthy cause, but they need to commit to burying ALL of it first πŸ˜‰

    • Mockingbird

      What is your take on the Skipper letter, affirmations, PDC tape 39 on the games maker as indicating Hubbard’s real intentions ?

    • littlefish

      I studied archaeology in school and wish I could get a peak at what Archaeologists 1500 years from now think about these vaults. In my mind some of the stuff goes missing and we get Neo-Scientoligists just like we have druids trying to re-create the religion of stonehenge.

  • aegerprimo

    OT and just an anecdote… before I went to school to become a Scrub Nurse, I worked in the pharmaceutical industry. (Yes, I did get a paycheck from “Big Pharma” back then, ha ha). Pharmaceutical factories have many cleanrooms. These are rooms that are very sterile and have super HEPA filters to filter the air to have the minimum amount of particles in the air possible – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA

    In order to enter these rooms you had to be certified in a certain type of “sterile gowning”. It was a sterile suit you put on in a certain way that was totally sterile on the outside and no skin exposed. (F5 refresh for pic.)

    Dylan, you mentioned CST had a cleanroom. I wonder if it followed the GMP standards? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_manufacturing_practice
    I’m just curious.

    ETA: Oh, and glycol is used to smoke a cleanroom as a disinfectant to kill live viruses.
    ……………..

    • Techie

      Aeger, that looks just like the “bunny suits” they use in the Film Lab at Gold. Probably not bio-hazard approved but very effective against dust particles that could ruin film negatives etc. I hated suiting up. They got lots of “phone support” when something broke in the Film Lab. Probably a similar setup at Twin Peaks.

      • aegerprimo

        The “bunny suits” where probably made of Tyvek. The gowning suit above is made of a special impervious nylon material.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Aegerprimo cat (refresh):

      • flyonthewall

        new avi!

        • aegerprimo

          We are on the same page Fly!

          • flyonthewall

            no i meant for me

      • aegerprimo

        LOVE LOVE β™₯β™₯
        I think I will use that as my next avatar! Thank you Johnny Tank!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I just had to share it with you. Crazy kitteh, lol.

        • beauty for ashes

          Please do, I love this i love it everyday!

      • Graham

        Helps out during catastrophes?

        • Kim O’Brien

          need a cat scan ?

          • Graham

            Only if the patient is catatonic.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i got nuthin

            • flyonthewall

              *whispers* or else it could be a catastrophe!

            • Kim O’Brien

              ” whispers” ..he already used that one

            • flyonthewall

              oh right, dang

            • Ella Raitch

              You’re just being a pussy

            • Kim O’Brien

              that was puuuuuurfect LOL

      • Liberated

        Does he have his own MASH unit?
        Hawkeye Pierce.

      • beauty for ashes

        holy crap that is the cutest thing ever. wouldn’t everybody concur?

    • chukicita

      Glycol is also used in combination with alcohol to ‘freeze’ thetans for storage in developing volcanos.

      *cough*

      • aegerprimo

        Oh yeah! The OT III thing with the Ethylene glycol.

      • Ann B Watson

        Absolutely,those developing volcanos get very hungry for fresh Thetans and freezing them for storage in case they decide to wander off site before they hit those promised glittering OTs including the wonderous 9 & 10.❀️❀️

      • grundoon

        uh oh, pneumonia

    • grundoon

      CST staff in bunny suits

  • nottrue

    Drone over St Hill would be nice. Make a LRH Drone …https://youtu.be/tB8D2QZ9lA4

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s another place where the drone would be over the drones.

  • order66

    You ever hear of the people of North Sentinel Island? They’re an uncontacted, stone age people who live on an island in the Indian Ocean. They are known to attack anyone who gets too close to their island. I’ve seen photos of the tribesmen shooting arrows and throwing spears and rocks at helicopters flying over. How about that, Space Pope? Next time a drone flies over, just have your minions throw rocks at it.

  • April Moonlight

    I wonder if Shelly has moved away from CST. Has anyone heard from someone who knows or even has third-hand info? I can’t imagine that once her whereabouts are public, that she’d be kept there. Does anyone else think maybe she is out, but afraid to talk, or has signed legal contracts silencing her, and is fearful of repercussions, or is still “a believer” so won’t talk, but is actually elsewhere these days? I wonder if, wherever she is, she can ever break free and talk. That would be amazing. Shelly, call Leah Remini, she is concerned about you.

    • Susan black

      Shelly, call ANYBODY. We’re ALL concerned.

  • kemist

    I just noticed today’s post category, “droning scientology”. Hehehe.

    • Ella Raitch

      More to come then……….? (squeeeeee)

      • Jimmy3

        From the YouTube description:

        This is the first, and thus far only, drone flight over the secret Scientology base near Twin Peaks, CA. This base has a vault containing all the works of L. Ron Hubbard etched onto steel plates. It is part of a series covering all of the major Scientology bases in the Western USA. This video was created for use in documentaries and may be used by anyone without credit or restrictions.

        • Ella Raitch

          John Dower and Alex Gibney must be feeling wistful

        • flyonthewall

          Trementina might be coming soon. That would be sweet. Sweet.as.candy.

          • Drone Captain should be careful. CoS will probably try to invoke the 5 mile rule for airports. (I wonder if their airstrip qualifies, but that’s what they’ll tell the sheriff–not that they enforce FAA regulations…)

            • littlefish

              I also wonder if they’ve filmed all of these already and are releasing them after the fact so they don’t run into issues on future fly overs.

            • Ella Raitch

              That’s the impression I get – also so the kult don’t get a heads up

            • A good idea, because this is the sort of thing that drives them apeshit. When the Missing in Happy Valley crew did a fly-over, they literally went crazy. I wouldn’t trust them not to flip Synanon-style in an isolated situation.

        • Observer

          Captain Miscavige must be foaming at the mouth

  • BlackPR

    Antenna on the “old production building” looks like a tri-band ham radio antenna… 10/15/20 meter. It doesn’t appear to be a TV antenna and it certainly isn’t a short-haul local communications antenna. Curious if anyone knows any of these names.

    • Susan black

      It’s discussed a few times down thread.

    • flyonthewall

      Not familiar with anyone here specifically but chances are they are a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly

      • BlackPR

        Don’t jump to any conclusions… I just pulled the licensed radio operators for those bands off the FCC database. It’s one thing to have a set there, but another altogether to have an operator. It only grabs the people who *reside* in that zip code, though. Anyone “visiting” wouldn’t show up.

        • flyonthewall

          I was making what I thought was a clever ref to your avi, Lee Van Cleef

          • sizzle8

            A joke like that is liable to get you a fistful but not of dollars.

          • BlackPR

            God…. I totally missed it. Some days I just float along in neutral all day.

  • Missionary Kid

    OT. I just got a notification on an email, and, for a second, I thought it was from Disqus on today’s topic. It was a reminder for a webinar on “Droning On: Safe and Successful Operation of Unmanned Aerial Systems” from an aviation orgaanization.

    • beauty for ashes

      Do we have a drone that could carry a person? just curious if I’m any closer to flying. πŸ™‚

        • beauty for ashes

          no no no no no! FLY!!! MEEE FLY! Not torture animals.
          **sighs back into bean bag chair**
          whatever

      • Missionary Kid

        Somebody is working on it, and supposedly have one flying. It would have to be in the ultralight category (under 266 pounds) unless a person had a pilot’s license.

        I wouldn’t trust it.

        • Noesis

          You are old enough to remember the strong advocacy of the original American astronauts for being called “pilots” as they did not want to be thought of as passive passengers in a ballistic vehicle over which they had no on-board flight control.

          The UAV (which by definition is “unmanned”) being able to “carry” a non-pilot human is an ironic twist.

          And like you…I would never get near such a flimsy thing.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Right? Also imagine some of today’s terrible drivers, but up in the air.

          Nope.

      • Noesis

        The debate about what exactly is a “drone” and what is a “UAV” (unmanned aerial vehicle) has a long history.

        George Orwell did not know of either type of aircraft when he wrote this prescient line about the selection of words and their implications in 1946:

        Political languageβ€”and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchistsβ€”is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable.

  • Canadian

    Not so much on this particular story but as I haven’t been reading about Scientology for awhile (I find it too exhausting sometimes); just curious if anyone knows how much cash Mr. Flip Flop (Marty) was given by Miscavige? Is it as obvious to anyone else? The timeline of his dropped case to his defense of the little puke that runs things and now his calling out of any of the people who used to be in the cult; what I see (as someone who has never had anything to do with this farce), is a truly despicable being that is only out to get $$$$$$$$; regardless of who gets hurt. He was terrible person when in the cult and claimed to be reformed and sorry but as soon as he needs to follow through to prove himself; he throws everyone under the bus. Honestly I am disgusted!!!!

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m sure that his former attorneys are looking to see if any money came to Marty Mark, but there’s been no indication of it.

      • flyonthewall

        You know what doesn’t make sense about Marty taking a pay off from Miscavige to drop the suit? He could of gotten a “pay off” by just going through with the suit he was winning and settling like normal. It doesn’t make any sense for him to drop the suit for money when he could of just finished the suit and got a settlement.

        • Kestrel

          Were there a settlement to stop the lawsuit it would have been for a lot more than the settlement from the lawsuit would have brought. That’s how it appears to have worked for Debbie Cook. Scientology does not want any more if its true nature exposed to the sunlight of court records.

          • flyonthewall

            I don’t think Cook’s case was a matter of choosing the bigger settlement. She just did what any sane person would do. She had an opportunity to be done with her legal battle and get a nice check and she took it.

          • Robert Eckert

            The Cook case was very odd because Scientology was the *plaintiff* but ended up paying money to make their own lawsuit go away (Debbie filed a counterclaim so that they could not just withdraw).

        • sizzle8

          My pet theory is that he’s being blackmailed.
          “Do what we say or we make sure the adopted kid is taken away from you.”
          Many ways to do that and I bet Monique would tell Marty to do whatever it takes so that that doesn’t happen.

        • Missionary Kid

          You’re forgetting that it would be YEARS before Marty Mark and Mosey would get any payoff. Battle fatigue is something that people facing $cientology have, as well as none of the resources of Co$ to attack them from all sorts of nefarious ways.

          I’m willing to bet that Mosey got tired of the whole thing, and they got to Marty Mark with some sort of threat.

      • Bob Crouch

        As Tony pointed out before, if a financial “arrangement” is reached between the former litigants, the attorneys can (and most likely will) find out.

        But this raises one question for me (which I admittedly can NOT answer): Since this was Monique’s suit, what is to stop Marty from taking a big check? He wasn’t party to the suit or to any of the financial obligations incurred toward their former attorneys.

        If there is such a loophole (and the “church” attorneys would undoubtedly know), everybody (but the Rathbun’s attorneys) wins: The “church” clicks the “Donate” button on Marty’s blog in a big way, Marty gets paid (without havinge to give 30-50% to the attorneys), and the “church” is saved the embarrassment of an official settlement. And Marty can keep up the “honorable man” act that he never took any money (that anyone knows of) from the “church.”

        • Missionary Kid

          A married couple can’t sever their financial arrangements, I don’t believe. It is similar to a congressman not getting a bribe directly, but his brother getting payment and “loaning” him money. There’s no work-around. If Marty Mark doesn’t get direct compensation, but it goes to a relative, it’s still a payoff.

          • Bob Crouch

            Of course a bribe or payoff may be inherently illegal. A fat severance check would be for distinguished services the chief enforcer rendered before he was even married and entirely unrelated to unpleasantnesses that occurred many years later and involved only Monique’s complaint.

            But again, I am no legal expert, let alone in what you can do in TX. So this may just be a total non-starter. Which would make Marty’s behavior even more erratic–a distinct possibility, all things considered.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that there was some quid pro quo, but that it wasn’t monetary. Mosey’s attorneys will be watching VERY closely.

    • Ella Raitch

      It would be nice not to junk up every day on the Bunker with Martydrama

      There are several ongoing threads at ESMB with much discussion and speculation. In fact, he has his own forum over there….it’s like an all you can eat buffet

      Latest thread:
      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?42581-Rathbun-Attempts-To-Defend-David-Miscavige

      Martyworld
      http://www.forum.exscn.net/forumdisplay.php?91-MartyWorld

      • DoveAlexa

        No matter how hard to try and shove it, you can never make a drama-llama move if it doesn’t want to. πŸ˜‰

        • Ella Raitch

          I know – but every now and then I have the energy for a little gentle re-direction. And much as I try to avoid propagating the drama, I head over to ESMB to read the latest #cannotlookaway

          • Bob Crouch

            I’ve resolved more than once not to go over to the blog that ironically promotes “moving up higher” and leave Marty Mark and the Funky Bunch of sycophants alone. Will I be true to my word? I’m having my doubts.

            But at least it’s good to see that Tony stayed away from making this yet again a topic for today. It’s both tiresome and sad.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I need to follow your resolution.

              More than anything the endless circle of self-congratulation punctuated by “compatriots” occasionally yelling at each other gets boring.

              I don’t know how they stand it.

        • LongtimeLurker

      • Chee Chalker

        I’ll just add this little bit because it is particularly amusing…..apparently Karen de la C. financially supports the entire ASC, from our proprietor to Marty to paying off ESMB.
        Who knew?
        It’s definitely turned into an all out assault on the critics.
        He has the same 4 or 5 supporters. If I had to guess, the rest are socks. Are they OSA socks? Who knows?

        • Ella Raitch

          Damn – you got me in the conversation.

          You’re not a lawyer are you? πŸ™‚

          Ok…..
          http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?42581-Rathbun-Attempts-To-Defend-David-Miscavige&p=1114487&viewfull=1#post1114487

          • LongtimeLurker

            Fuck Alanzo.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Thank you. That dude’s useless.

            • Ella Raitch

              Just checking your avi out again – I think you nee a love heart around that image

            • LongtimeLurker

              Lol! I’ll get on it when I’m back at my laptop.

          • Chee Chalker

            Alanzo Alanzo Alanzo……will wonders never cease!
            I don’t know what is happening over at MOUALH, but they are making a full court press on attacking the critics.
            Almost as if they are following a playbook…..
            I also played basketball in high school and I also had a decent outside shot, but I will spare you any tortuous descriptions of my action on the court.
            Now, if I had wrestled Miscavige……that I would describe in great detail!

            • Ella Raitch

              It’s fascinating isn’t it. I don’t have much to add to the speculation, but longtime ESMBers have had enough of the lot of them at MOUALH

          • Chee Chalker

            PS thank you for the link!
            I’m off down another hole

        • LongtimeLurker

          At the risk of pissing off Ella (who has a good point, above ; ) ) I’m gonna jump in.

          Some idiot also said that she partially funded Theroux’s film. Smh.

          Also Chee, I was just over at Whining On Up A Little Louder and I noticed one of your polite and reasonable responses to a baiting question by The Oracle.

          The Oracle, showing surprising maturity, acknowledged your points, thanked you and backed off.

          Marty? Marty’s considered and erudite response?

          “lol”

          Only in Scientology could this man have risen so high.

      • iampissed

        Marty who

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Wow, there actually IS a Marty World over there! Interestingly, was pretty much deserted and getting all cobwebby until this latest foofara πŸ˜‰

    • Chee Chalker

      Well in the history of the Co$, stranger things have happened.
      That fact alone should be enough to warn everyone

  • salin

    Appreciation for the drone ‘pilot/camera operator’. As always also appreciating the commenting community. As appreciation, now that Aurora season is kicking off (more visible) a photos: researchers in Antarctica posing in front of an active aurora: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=129335&PHPSESSID=a74c5hpsgcran5brfauelfs694

  • PappeKak

    Good lord.

    Church of Spiritual Technology?

    metaonomatoepoea much, clams?

    • salin

      I admit that I googled metaonomatoepoea. Didn’t help me. Am missing your point – but get the sense that it is worth figuring out. Can you help me out?

      • WOG with Attitude

        Meta-onomatopoeia.

        Hmm. Not exactly, but I like the concept.

      • WOG with Attitude

        More like meta-irony. Ironic that Scientology isn’t a Church, spiritual or technological!

        • salin

          Thanks – definitely meta-irony.

        • Suzy

          The triangular bullshit equation?

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT
    Anyone know if Hubbard ever described Xenu (physically)? And if so, where?

    I know people use the classic Roswell style Grey or your standard Little Green Man, but I wondered if we have anything from Source.

    Given how lazy a writer he was (“they’re just like DC-8s!”) I think I know the answer, but it’s worth a try.

    Thanks in advance.

    • Yeah. It’s in OT12. Xenu was a shape shifter, but he loved Marcabian Kools. Welcome.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Xenu-arama by Barry Manilow

        His name was Xenu, he was a tyrant
        With yellow skin and bright blue hair and his cape went down to there

        …ah screw it…

    • Ella Raitch

      I picture this guy
      https://youtu.be/g5xqukXdkmY

      • LongtimeLurker

        Too good.

    • He’s your own, personal Xenu. I describe him vividly toward the end of LRH: The Target 2 Chronicles. But that’s just me . . .

    • Kim O’Brien

      some sort of ” i am spartacus ” ..totally not gay , totally not homo-erotic …ass less chaps outfit

      • LongtimeLurker

        Great cosplay idea.

        I’ll be all Max von Sydow as Ming The Merciless from the front and all assless chaps, leather, chains and CFM heels in the back.

        To the sewing machine!

  • Mockingbird

    Imagine being a devoted Sea Org member working at CST. You probably either have your spouse there with you or are single. The best case scenario is probably to have a spouse there and to berth together. If you are lucky enough to also have friends there it might approach bearable.

    It’s likely you would very rarely get any information against Scientology. You probably wouldn’t even notice hypocrisy or contradictions in Hubbard’s doctrine. You probably wouldn’t ever get negative information from the outside world and wouldn’t think about any possibility Hubbard or Scientology could be wrong.

    It’s an interesting little bit of the cult life that Shelly Miscavige’s story puts a focus on. CST is a great example how many high control groups isolate some members so completely for so long it’s like they vanished off the face of the earth.

    It would be shocking to spend a couple decades at CST then leave Scientology and see how utterly alien normal society is by comparison. It would be great to see stories documenting the differences people discover they emerge from many years deep in Scientology.

    Lots of people who were public Scientologists or staff had significant contact with outsiders. Even many Sea Org members did as well, but some were so deep in they didn’t watch TV shows or see Movies and never dealt with new public Scientologists either.

    I wonder how they adjust to society.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I remember back in my early Sci-watching days that one of the things that really threw me (before I heard about the really bad stuff) was the complete removal from mainstream culture.

      I guess it’s one way to avoid hearing about the Kardashians.

      • mikecrosby

        Funny. When I was in a cult back in 70s a friend asked me if I’d like to do Farrah Fawcett from Charlie’s Angels. Didn’t know who she was.

        Of course my friend was pre cult.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I was more into Lindsay Wagner at that time.

          Not that you asked. ; )

      • Mockingbird

        Haha. The Kardashian clan. It’s avoidable. I think Scientology does far more harm than vain reality “stars”.

    • In much in the same way that immigrants adjust to new homes in unfamiliar cultures.

      I was going to say that at least language would not be a problem, but of course it would be, if you were used to Scientology-speak. It might in fact be harder to make the conceptual adjustment than to just learn a new language.

      • Mockingbird

        One of the things that helped me get out of the Scientology trance was getting a new job. I had to communicate with people rapidly and understand their subtle and not so subtle intentions and thoughts.

        I realized ALWAYS thinking in Scientology doctrine impaired my communication with others. I thought switching to English words would make rapid communication with others easier.

        I didn’t see it as rejecting Scientology. I thought it was like a person that knows French and Spanish moving from France to Spain and just thinking in Spanish.

        I didn’t realize how Scientology limits thought to Hubbard’s doctrine and away from any disagreements with that reality ( meaning agreement in Scientology).

        I started to be able to consider ideas I previously had automatically shut out for decades. I started to think thoughts that Scientology automatically labels wrong.

        I realized after several months in thinking in English that there is more gradation to people and behavior than Scientology recognizes. And that being unsure is more accurate often than false certainty. And that a person regardless of their beliefs is ultimately responsible for their own choices. That’s certainly outside Scientology.

        It was like a seismic shift, but I didn’t realize that it was changing my entire relationship with all the information I held. I shifted to seeing myself as responsible for my actions and not Hubbard.

        It loosened everything. Without that cancellation of critical and independent thinking regarding Hubbard’s authority my entire perspective started opening up.

        I would get feelings, doubts and long buried thoughts that are forbidden in Scientology bubbling up to be in my conscious mind over the next few months. The automatic assumptions about Hubbard’s infallibility and Scientology’s transcendent nature would move from uninspected assumptions that framed all my thoughts and filtered all my perceptions to glaring contradictions to the evidence before my eyes.

        • Graham

          “I didn’t realize how Scientology limits thought to Hubbard’s doctrine” as per Orwell’s NewSpeak.

          • Mockingbird

            It displayed Newspeak way beyond 1984.

  • Mockingbird

    I may have forgot to mention something. Techie posted the phrase “Children of the Con” which is a great name for a book or documentary on second generation Scientologists.

    I heard that Janja Lalich is currently writing a book about people raised in cults. I have enjoyed her work in Recovery From Cults, her book Take Back Your Life and her work with Margaret Singer on Cults In Our Midst.

    I have hope that her book provides needed help for Scientologists raised in the cult.

    • You missed “Bounded Choice”!? That’s an essential read.

      • Mockingbird

        I have not read that one.

    • Gib

      I haven’t read Techie’s comment. But the phrase ” Children of the CORN” wes coined by a poster by the name of AFaceInTheCrowd over on ESMB. He used this phrase to describe his experiences with the early CMO children, who robotically had to deliver a message with the same tone Hubbard wanted delivered from the Commodore to a staff member on the Apollo, and later on land.

      I do not know if you have seen the movie Children of the Corn, or the movie A Face In The Crowd, the later worth watching.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGUm9e_BLU

      • Missionary Kid

        An excellent movie. Andy Griffith played a person quite different than his usual roles. Patricia Neal was great, and It was also the first movie for the beautiful, classy, Lee Remick. she did a good job, even though she was somewhat miscast.

        • Gib

          He certaintly plays DM and Hubbard quite well

          • Missionary Kid

            I was thinking that.

      • Mockingbird

        I like Children of the Con personally. Several people have called Scientology youth Children of the Corn too. They both are applicable.

        • Gib

          children of the con is fine for second gen or third’s on a public level.

          children of the corn is CMO. DM was CMO. Those are recruited into the CMO.

          I wonder how many original CMO staffers are still scientologists?

          Not many!

          • Mockingbird

            I would guess very few. To start with CMO had just a few people at first. Factor in deaths and the high rate of leaving Scientology via declare or escape and that leaves just a tiny batch of cult members that were CMO members. Hubbard youth. Terrifying.

    • Kim O’Brien

      “Children of the Con” is also a great book about corn farmers and their families , trying to make it big in the corn industry …in the city of Boston . A tale of Irish work ethic …rags to riches …with tragedy , love , humor and a great family story .

      πŸ™‚

      • Mockingbird

        It’s a catchy title.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Headline spotted;
    “Paleo is the Scientology of diets.”

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Wow, you know your rep is really in the crapper when pop culture turns on you in such a big way.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Right?

    • Juicer77

      Funny but hunh? Seems like a reach. Wonder how they connected those dots?

      • LongtimeLurker

        I didn’t read any further.

        I assume they’re saying it’s made-up nonsense and potentially dangerous?

        But I don’t know very much about Paleo.

        • The idea is that humans evolved as hunter-gatherers in palaeolithic times, so we are ‘designed’ to eat nuts and berries and very little meat, just like they did.

          Of course, at that time we also lived in caves, and that turns out to less than optimal.

          It’s another fad diet, promoted by unqualified people for money. I assume that, when the author calls it, “the Scientology of diets” they mean that its underlying theory is the craziest of all.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Right. Good one. Thanks.

          • Graham

            The latest thinking (David Attenborough on Radio 4 this morning) is that we’re more likely to have evolved as fish-eaters alongside water a) fish are easier to catch than land animals b) wading into buoyant water supports the emergence of an upright stance. This would presumably support those who advocate fishy diets and supplements.

            • It all sounds a bit fishy to me. Excellent, entertaining ideas, but little or no hard evidence.

  • Observer

    OT:

    While playing Destiny earlier I ended up on the Tower with someone going by QiGonJinNTonic.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I love a good pun-username.

      In a tank game I frequent, I use “The Diary of Anne Tank”.

      My mother would be ashamed.

      • Kim O’Brien

        too soon

    • Juicer77

      I rolled around laughing when Mr. J was playing Call of Duty and saw: “you’ve been killed by Obamacare.”

      • Observer

        I have in the past encountered DoucheBaggins. Mr O’s fave was Pimptatoes.

        • Juicer77

          XD

  • outraged

    That drone flyover. whew…I was mesmerized. THe last section we were flying straight up vertical. I know it’s a recording, but I kept looking for Shelly.

    I never thought he would put up this comment, almost missed it….

  • Vaquera

    For the next two hours I’m on a bus heading north towards the Canadian border and am a mite bored. Thought I’d take the opportunity to share a few Labor Day weekend pics of Miss Lovely as she visited Calvin, Joseph and Bernie.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Are you on the run from The Draft?

      • Vaquera

      • Missionary Kid

        Not until they start draft registration for women.

        • Vaquera

          I knew you were going to say that! πŸ™‚

        • LongtimeLurker

          THANKS OBAMA!

          …wait…

          • Missionary Kid

            Actually, I think that everyone should have national service of some sort. True equality.

    • Kim O’Brien

      do you work for The Lonely Planet World Guide ?

      • Vaquera

        Would be my dream job.

      • Vaquera

        Of course, I’d bypass Hollywood Blvd because apparently you have that one locked down.

        • Kim O’Brien

          you take one side ..i’ll take the other

    • Another one of those clandestine maple syrup “importations” one supposes.

      • Vaquera

        You’re like a duck on a junebug.

    • Rasha

      Ever pick up some of that Vermont Distillers maple magic?

      • Vaquera

        Shoot! I forgot. Will do this week.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Thanks for keeping the TUML photo tradition alive. It’s great to see your pics. Now I regret not having continued to participate!

    • Anony-Lurker

      There’s a story…possibly true, that when Coolidge died, Roosevelt quipped: “How could you tell?”

      Apparently Coolidge was never known as Mr. Personality,

      • Robert Eckert

        That was Dorothy Parker, in the version I heard. Alice Roosevelt was the one who said Coolidge “was weaned on a pickle.”

        • noseinabk

          I am so going to work ” weaned on a pickle” into the next conversation I have about my SIL.

        • Anony-Lurker

          You’re right, I couldn’t remember where I heard it, but yes, it was Dorothy Parker!
          I had read it years ago in a biography of her life and the Algonquin Round Table.

          Great Save Robert!!

  • I say this is pretty SPish behaviour on part of this drone violating scientology air space like that.

    Buzzing around, taking fancy videos of super sikrit spiritual facilities with free parking spots for handicapped scientologists, like it’s not a big deal.

    Who does this drone thinks he is? Little SP flying 1.1 propeller wanker.

    • LongtimeLurker

      “…flying 1.1 propeller wanker…”

    • Juicer77

      Hee hee

  • Tom Klemesrud

    My questions would be, why are there three refrigerated truck trailers there 2) and why would they have an expensive 7 element Yagi ham radio antenna pointed Northwest. If they are using ham radio gear for coded communication, that would be illegal.

    http://www.force12inc.com/products/c-3-7-element-trapless-triband-yagi-for-20-15-10-meters.html

    • sizzle8

      My guess for the antenna is that it’s part of the apocalyptic mindset, i.e. redundancy of communication channels in case of war or disaster.
      The refrigerated trucks may hold material to be archived (paper, tapes, artifacts, etc) that should be kept at lower temperatures for preservation purposes.

    • 1) The antenna almost certainly has a rotator, so where it’s pointed in this one observation might not mean anything.

      2) HF is probably a backup-backup plan, in case they lose phone and Internet. The most they’ll normally be transmitting is some kind of everything-is-normal test lost in the ham jargon. “CQ Thetan CQ Thetan This is W6CST, Go ahead?” “This is W6OSA, how’s your meter? Over.” “Floating, Old Man. Over.” “Fine Business, Much Love. Out.” If SHTF/raids and they go to coded messages, an FCC violation will be the least of their worries.

    • grundoon

      When alerted by radio that the FBI is coming, the semi trailers full of incriminating documents can hit the road and be far away before the agents get there.

  • FredEX2

    I love this little spy drone. Awesome pics! Intel quality. 😎 I watched it twice to see if Shelly might be spotted. Didn’t expect to see her. It’s sad that her world has been made so small and she is isolated away from others that care.

  • Observer

    This might be fun to tweet to certain people by Bunkeroos with Twitter…

    F5

    • Kim O’Brien

      great ..they don’t have smallpox but now they just follow him around cuz they caught ” the autism” from the vaccine

      thanks Obama

    • noseinabk

      My neighbor with a 2yr old is anti vax. Two college educated parents and a holistic health grandma who will NOT be getting anywhere near my grandaughter.

      https://d.justpo.st/media/images/2015/03/3b1c7ce46ba17facc33ebb5f7252a9b3.jpg

      Edited : near

      • Juicer77

        Smart choice.

    • LongtimeLurker

      That is a great neighbourhood.

      Nice views.

  • Matt

    You know if I were a new ex-SO member who just blew and wanted to speak out against the atrocities I witnessed and I saw all this division between Marty and his group and the people here on the other side, I might be really hesitant. I might think that this bickering was ridiculous and not want to speak out and be part of this. I might be afraid of being on the “wrong team.” I might just keep my mouth shut and just get on with my life. A house divided cannot stand so I’ve heard. Damn, maybe DM figured out a way to shut the critics down after all. Let’s not be afraid and keep speaking out.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i would go to the cops and to a lawyer . ” Atrocities ” are not meant to be resolved on a blog …and won’t stop until people figure that shit out

      • Matt

        Kim I agree with you totally, but it occurred to me as I was reading Marty’s pontificating rants that in the big picture this whole thing could be planned to scare newly out Scios from speaking out at all and just try to forget about it and move on. They might think they would be ostracized as opposed to helped.

        • Kim O’Brien

          Marty’s pontificating has about as much effect on newly out scios ..as his NOT pontificating . No one leaves there thinking ” I really should give him a chance to proof read and fact check my plan to get the fuck out of this crazy place ”

          more ppl are OUT of the cult …than have ever been IN . Marty is not the only party in town

          • Matt

            I agree. It was just something that occurred to me.

            • Kim O’Brien

              I think he does like movie and book reviews now or something . he is not even a ” go to ” person for info about what is happening and the resources for newly out scios . He really wanted to just walk away from the entire thing and never say another peep about scientology .He has really stuck to his guns . Plus ..he is also a feminist .I have a ton of respect for the man .

              edit – sarcasm

            • LongtimeLurker

              If a newbie (ex or otherwise) came to things in the wrong order, I think there’s a definite risk they might be put off.

              But I think it’s minimal, and in amongst the snark we’re offering important information.

              When I started Sci-watching, I filtered the snark, enjoyed what I could and took away the info.

    • noseinabk

      I would bet that a large amount of young SO never heard of him. Google various themes on “leaving scientology” or “the truth about scientology ” and you will find no mention of Marty. Many of our ex members said that they landed at the bunker or other informative sites long before they knew about MR.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Was high profile, isn’t anymore.

        Also doesn’t come across well in writing or in screen (anecdotal, based on several friends statements).

        Maximum amount of damage he can inflict as perceived by the general public – approaches zero (rimless).

    • Private Investigations Dept

      Matt, OSA’s new propaganda line is what you and newly rehabilitated OSA operative Marty Rathbun are spewing: Drop the whole debate about Scientology and move on with life. The problem with this is that Scientology is still enslaving Sea Org members, financially raping its publics, and breaking up families, and engaging in fair game. Any newly blown Sea Org member will see right through Marty Rathbun and his lies. They will see that Marty is an OSA operative attempting to handle a flap as part of A-E.

      Marty is damaged goods doing A-E in hopes of rejoining the group. He is working to strike an effective blow against the group he has pretending to be a member of.

      • Matt

        I agree with you totally. I’m a never in. I don’t like what Rathbun is doing! I think he is being a hypocrite and have said what you just said. I think he is pulling a Jon Zegel and repudiating his past so that DM won’t bother him when he exits – just like Zegel. I only pointed out what I did because it occurred to me this is planned. Create mega-strife amongst the critics and keep people from talking. Don’t lump me in with that crowd. I was just making an observation. Really.

    • Juicer77

      We’ve discussed before how the Bunker is not the softest landing spot for newly-exited $cis. The level of “woo” detection here is really high, and clearly stated to anyone who claims to believe in the Tech. Sometimes too forcibly stated, IMHO. But everyone has a right to say what they think, and many here have come through the mind-screw of $ci with pretty strong feelings about it. I respect that. The Rathbun bashing will flare up from time to time, oddly enough whenever he runs out waving a red flag. Those who supported Rathbun on his blog comments in a more reasonable, discussion-oriented way have been shoved aside by both Rathbun and the more fanatic of his followers. It’s sad because it was such a great site to read different points of view.
      At the Bunker we try, and I think we succeed, to keep the discussion mostly about $cientology’s abuses and criminal actions. Derails will happen. Unfortunately Rathbun likes being the “hot button” and the best we can do now is not react when he comes out with another outrageous attention grab.

      • Spackle Motion

        Actually, ESMB is one of the best places for the newly out. That site provides a soft spot for the new ex to take the steps out. Some of the best coming out narratives (Bea Kiddo or Mockingbird) are there and may be better for those on shaky ground rather than some of what is here.

        Or watching Tory Magoos videos is another good spot.

        • Juicer77

          Chris Shelton’s “What Is Wrong With Scientology” series is good, too.

  • What’sup

    Sorry if this offends anyone’s beliefs but it reminded me of you know who.

    • What’sup

      F to the 5

    • Anony-Lurker

      I love it!!

    • Hey Moses, check your privilege!

    • Missionary Kid

      He was a piker. The rules were only written in stone instead of stainless steel and encased in titanium.

    • Juicer77

      That’s funny!

  • Mockingbird

    Something humorous in the dark absurd tragicomic way Scientology is was brought to mind by today’s comments. I remember while being indoctrinated in Dianetics and Scientology that I alternated between the pleasant trances of taking in Hubbard’s doctrine and using his submissive authority based study technology cognitive restructuring with covert hypnosis and feeling despair.

    It’s a kind of trauma bond of feeling worry free as the trance peaks with cognitive dissonance and blankness being “solved” with the Scientology doctrine as Hubbard’s definitions are used to resolve blankness and confusion. Of course the worry free state is trance with trance logic escaping conscious contradictions, and negative emotions by denying and dissociation from cognitive dissonance. It’s a special kind of cognitive distortions that becomes habitual.

    The indoctrination seemed pleasant because it strengthened the bond to Hubbard’s authority and doctrine, making me feel more certain of my rightness in choosing Scientology and Scientology’s rightness in that it made me feel “good.”

    But the good was fool’s gold. It’s like ignoring red flags to preserve a moment of happiness built on a foundation of lies.

    It’s using the cognitive distortions of blind faith with submission to authority to turn down critical and independent thinking which feels like momentary relief but brought unpleasant effects.

    One of which was a growing certainty about the human mind as portrayed in Scientology. In Dianetics and Scientology Hubbard over and over portrayed the mind as harmful,irrational, evil and error prone.

    It’s repeated in thousands of statements in various ways. He brings home the theme that “a mind is a terrible thing.”

    It filled me with a deep despair. That’s the thing about a narcissistic trauma bond. The narcissist tells you they are the only honest one, the only awake or aware one and especially the only one that loves you or is mankind’s greatest friend.

    You hang onto the denial filled delusions that the abuser really loves you because the alternative of a world without that love, wisdom and protection the abuser pretends to give is just absolutely empty, full of despair and utterly unbearable.

    That would leave you empty, worthless and completely wrong. It’s a long way down.

    We usually grow up to have certain assumptions we rely on for feelings of safety, security, meaning and justice and even identity.

    These assumptions often frame our entire outlook on life and are core values. They serve to be the foundation our other beliefs and experiences are judged by and against.

    A quote from Wikipedia on the Theory Of Shattered Assumptions provides an excellent description of this:
    “The Theory of Shattered Assumptions is a phenomenon in psychology that describes how trauma can change the understanding of the world of human individuals. Introduced by Ronnie Janoff-Bulman, this theory states that all people hold three main assumptions about the world and ourselves. In summation, the assumptions state that the world is benevolent and as members of this world, we are meaningful and worthy. However, in the face of trauma, the theory claims that these assumptions are shattered, and one can no longer identify with these views.” End quote

    We try so hard to hang onto these assumptions that there can be a great conflict within a cult member. The cult teaches that benevolence, meaning and worthiness only come from submission to cult doctrine but cult doctrine progressively creates greater repudiation and condemnation of the world outside the cult. The doctrine eventually requires dispensing with the existence or outsiders. Lifton coined the term and it includes devaluation of others that ultimately leads to total rejection. That can include removal of rights, character assassination, scapegoating and total repudiation.

    Total repudiation can be genocide or rarely the rejection of outside society by entirely exiting it through mass suicide.

    The three positive assumptions can’t survive the extreme negative beliefs cult doctrine require. It’s hard to believe in benevolence, meaning and worth in a world the cult increasingly labels evil and worthy of destruction. Cults require purification through destruction. They focus on the evil of the outside evil because they can’t bring their promised miracles and perfection of self and group but they can deliver the hatred and destruction of scapegoats. That creates unity and actions that produce observable results.

    So the contradictions mount, to be good a cult member one must embrace evil. It’s unavoidable.

    • Missionary Kid

      Very well written. It reminds me that on my way out of my very fundamentalist upbringing, the first stop was in the Lutheran church, which was much more formal than what I was raised with. A part of the service that moved me at the time was Psalms 51:11 (King James Version) “Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” At the time, it meant a lot to me.

      After the fire and brimstone and all of the implied rules whose violation would send me to hell that I was raised with, this meant to me that as long as I pledged my faith to god (or the trinity), that I could ask god not to throw me away, and to help me to become a better Christian.

      Ultimately, after much (years of) “soul searching”, I came to the conclusion that it was not necessary to pray to a god to not reject me: that the whole thing I was yearning for was quite patriarchal, and that I could find the comfort that I was looking for from my fellow human beings, and that by associating with the right ideas and people, that I could find that comfort, and that I didn’t need a “god.”

      The failure to achieve righteousness had somehow been the result of my humanity. I had been taught that “all have sinned and come short of the glory of god.” What that meant was that mankind was imperfect and unable to live up to god’s perfection. I now believe that we all are definitely imperfect, but it is our own standards that I need to meet.

      I didn’t suffer the abuse that you did in $cientology, but I was faced with the abyss of hell that I was told would be the result if I didn’t believe. That was my equivalence of “the long way down.” Since I no longer believe in hell or the devil, I don’t worry about the abyss. I do believe in evil, but it isn’t personified in a symbol.

      I hope that now that you no longer believe in $cientology that the emptiness and worthlessness that you were taught to feel are gone.

      • Juicer77

        And if you ever want to go back for a Lutheran potluck, you can. Hot dishes for everybody! πŸ˜‰

        • Missionary Kid

          The church I went to had pretty good potlucks, too. I went to an aviation seminar over the Labor Day weekend, and I ate VERY well.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Incredible content today, just so appreciated.

    Miscavige would be livid beyond belief to see that CST’s been this closely scrutinized.

    This today’s blog entry on CST is the closest most detailed exposure of CST (Archives) ever.

    Thankyou so much Dylan, and Tony for understanding Scientology to this incredible detail.

    This blog is the most historically important Scientology coverage, all the way to the top.

    In those buildings they deal with the “LRH originals”, just unprecedented insider info that is NEVER told to the membership, and now any citizen who can read and see, can see CST’s details.

    Very significant info here.

    • The funny thing is, for the GAT-II, they said that they had Hubbard’s original papers spread out over tables all over Int Base.

      In the vault, or all over tables, which?

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Only copies would be spread on the tables, copies of the originals only would be laid out so the staff could see the whole sequence. Do you have the link to that info, as it reminds me to get a better description of that event. I forgot where I’d read it.

        Those moments when they do lay out Hubbard’s stuff, all in sequence, we had in the old OEC/FEBC course room, before the Tech Volumes came out, we had two tables and the “Chrono Packs” of all of LRH’s stuff, all in those old dark blue plastic binders, and they were the old HCOPLs and HCOBs, in two separate sets of those old dark blue plastic covers on them, and our course room’s chrono packs would be used by people from all over the FLB back in 1976-77 when the course room was up on the 10th floor ballroom.

        We had the Flag Orders, the HCO PLs, the HCOBs.

        Laying all that LRH wrote out on tables isn’t difficult to do.

        To do that with the “originals” means in the case of the Int Base, to literally go back to the despatches that LRH wrote to the various people, and those despatches were what LRH wrote in many cases from those then the paragraphs of the despatches would be cobbled into the issues.

        Sometimes when there is a purity thing, the original despatches are then referred back to, because the “compilation” of what was in the various despatches was questioned, so returning to the original despatches, and understanding the whole context of those despatch back and forth conversations LRH was having or ordering, gives fuller exact meaning to what he ordered them to do.

        I wish ALL of the various sub-subjects that LRH wrote to the various Int Base units the final “compiled issues” were available, and THEN if you could see the original despatches that were edited into the “compiled issues” you then can see the point of “laying all the originals out on the tables”.

        If that is what was done, one of the typical reasons is to have everyone read the originals, but not the ACTUAL paper originals, but just the copies of the ACTUAL paper originals.

        Copies of original despatches, are what almost positively is meant by laying out the originals on the tables to the Int Base various staffs could read those original despatches and see that full context, as opposed to the “compiled issues” that were compiled and have snippets of the originals.

        But copies of the originals are what gets laid out, never do they pull the originals from CST/Archives, they just send down copies of the originals to the Int Base to look at.

  • Kay

    RUN SHELLY….RUN !!!!!!! The road is right there !!! aarrggggh this is SO frustrating.

    • Missionary Kid

      First, she has to either go over the steel fence or past the guard shack that has all sorts of cameras that are all around the entrance.

      • What’sup

        First she has to want to leave.

        • Missionary Kid

          Exactly.

        • Juicer77

          ^^^ She’s never known any other world than $cientology from childhood on up. The “wog” world must seem like a perplexing, low-class, dangerous place.

          • Graham

            Plus she may well believe that she deserves to be where she is.

            • Juicer77

              Good point. If she feels she’s “failed” Hubbard or Mismanage somehow, she may very well be doing her penance.

      • and from there it’s downhill all the way

  • Dave Reams
    • I’m glad it’s spreading out to other outlets. I read the whole THR article (it’s great for other reasons, too) and I think this is the Scientology story of the week. Those manipulative fuckers took advantage of Isaac to the end.

      • LongtimeLurker

        THR can be pretty great.

    • Funny how the media came to this result about Scn, but he said – “So someone quit South Park on Isaac Hayes’ behalf. We don’t know who.” – But i am not complaining, since it’s all over the interwebz

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Maybe it was his Scientology minder, Christina Kumi Kimball? http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/09/14/south-park-20th-anniversary-how-shaft-composer-isaac-hayes-really-left-the-show

        I remember seeing stuff from his estate for sale on eBay last year, including items recognizing him for donating big bucks to the CO$, and thinking they bled the poor guy dry πŸ™

        • Interesting article… So celeb’s has a “minder” wtf πŸ™‚

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup. Cruise has his sister, as well as staff reporting on him to Ratcavige. There are all sorts of illustrations of other celebs having them, too.

            • Ha ha… effing babies – I want one too you know!

            • Missionary Kid

              You can get a temporary minder by demonstrating at Big Blue. I did. She was at least civil, and so was I, but, thanks to the Bunker, a bit of a science background, and all of the exes I have met, I was loaded for bear.

              Otherwise, how would you like one of Miscavige’s minions living under the same roof with you?

            • i would drive them insane πŸ™‚

            • Juicer77

              No, you don’t. Living with one of them would be like having the worst stalker as a partner. Never a private moment, trying to read emails and listen to phone messages, following you around EVERYWHERE. Controlling who you talk to, and when, and how. “Minder” is a polite word for “evil prison warden.”

            • if she is good looking?

            • Juicer77

              Don’t make me smack you upside the head. πŸ˜‰

            • I will stalk you on the Internet!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              And Doven was spying on Cruise for a while, too, wasn’t he?

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT
    Holy Xenu this new Broadband is fast…!

    • You finally installed WiFi in your bathroom?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah man!

        Also put a range extender / repeater in the shower (with a propane-powered back up generator).

        Just gotta waterproof all my devices and I’m ready to go.

        • And a picture of Monty on the door with a bunch dart holes! That’s how you should take a dump!

    • Juicer77

      Aw, shuddup… πŸ˜‰

      • LongtimeLurker

        Do you haz slow Internetz?

        • Juicer77

          Yes, she replied an hour later. πŸ˜‰

          • LongtimeLurker

            I hate that.

            If it makes you feel better both my devices are years out of date, and sometimes take a ludicrously long time to do anything.

            • Juicer77

              It’s our service provider. Not much we can do about it. Sigh…

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    This is 100% O/T, but I am so sad right now. I just learned that Kim McGuire, who played Hatchet Face in John Waters’ movie Cry Baby, has died. That character was an inspiration. And the actress who played her was apparently a sweet, smart woman who went on to become an attorney after she gave up on the movie biz. RIP, beauty.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwTxxkey5sI

  • EmmaDaoust

    O/T Happy Anniversary
    https://youtu.be/Y9DrT9SaUso

    • Cool – so all us narcissist are gathered here and forming a new narcissistic Cult based on the scriptures of Tony Ortega, as he will post every day, where we can outlive our tendencies to be narcissistic, against the other Cult. j/k…btw – why the anniversary?

      • LongtimeLurker

        …sorry, I was distracted by my reflection in the iPad screen.

        Did you say something?

        • Who me?

        • JaxNGold

          Lol…just noticed an extra face in your avatar..

          • LongtimeLurker

            He’s…he’s behind me isn’t he?

            • JaxNGold

              Nice touch with the heart! πŸ˜†

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thx. Was Ella’s idea.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Ha! good one, Dice! 15 years ago, I found a little kitten while out for a walk, or should I say, she once found me… Happy anniversary to Missus, my cat. And I’m still too technically inept to figure out how to post a pic to Disqus.

        • Ohh yeah! thats right, posting pictures? You use a Tablet/Phone or PC?

          • EmmaDaoust

            Android phone, Apple desktop

            • Ok! see picture F5 – That little square Icon in the lower left corner, is to open up a file/picture selection from your device, so the picture has to be on there somewhere. If you see a picture on your screen you want to save: On the desktop you would right-click with your mouse and select [save as] – On your android phone you would >press and hold< to get the same option to [save as].

              Since you probably want to take a picture with your phone and post it here. Click on the "Square Icon" and you should have the option to select from [Camera] or [Document] – Select Camera and take the picture and then press the [βœ“] and Post it. Or if you already have the Picture – select the [Document] and locate the picture you want to post.

              Pictures must be under 2Mb – meaning *Not too big* πŸ™‚

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8432820347b6a6e2cd7a527ccd12bd5df2eae16895726c89292a1b68a86dc580.png

  • Lady Squash

    Great drone video. Thank you mysterious drone man.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Todd!

    You still here?

    • He will be here tomorrow!

      • LongtimeLurker

        What time is it where you are?

        Unless that makes you uncomfortable.

        • I am getting dizzy already, but it’s 9:05AM

          • LongtimeLurker

            Ah.

          • Missionary Kid

            That must be South Africa, right?

            • Well it’s south of Africa up north, called Denmark, but same timezone

            • Missionary Kid

              Oops. I assumed you were a native English speaker. Don’t hold it against me that I’m of 100% Swedish heritage. I found the Danes to be quite friendly, but the Swedes to be reserved when I was in Europe 45 years ago.

            • 45 years ago lol… Time changes, i tell you. Today Dansis are very facisistics and my spellchecker is English.
              ETA: Just broke my spellchecker – dang!

            • Missionary Kid

              Your English grammar has been pretty good – until this post. Danes and fascistit, I think you meant. Is your spellchecker British English or American English?.

            • Missionary Kid

              Oops, I meant to say fascistic.

            • Sometimes the spellchecker stop working while not telling me! Pain in the butt.. Else i have been speaking/writing english since the invention of Television and had to learn subtitles from American Shows and series. And been living in US some years.

            • Missionary Kid

              My Swedish cousins have sent their kids over to the U.S. to live with some of my other, American cousins for a year of high school to improve their English. Now all those kids are adults.

            • It goes fast… Seeing them growing up is unbelievable especially if you are not around day in and day out. Also if you go back to Sweden today, you would get a shock! So many things has changed in the culture. Denmark along with Sweden and Norway are, in them self small enough to be a Cult (around 5mill per country) and it shows! We have a very hard time with other cultures.

            • Missionary Kid

              When I was in Sweden 45 years ago, they were complaining about the “guest workers” from Turkey, who didn’t want to learn Swedish. One Swede sputtered, “But Swedish is such a superior language.”

              We were having racial problems then, and still am, but I believe we’ve made a lot of progress. I pointed out to some Swedes that Southern California had more Chicanos (people of Mexican descent) then than all of the Swede’s in Sweden. At the time, Sweden’s population was quite homogeneous, and that made some political and social solutions much easier than a pluralistic society like the U.S. & Canada and other countries have.

            • “But Swedish is such a superior language.” Ha ha – typical! Same with Denmark – “Learn Danish, or get Out!”. Like the rest of the world, we haven’t doubled in population. When i was born (60s) we were 4mill, today 5mill. Globally we are doubled in population, and that is a huge problem as we are getting outnumbered and fast. Americans has their own problem, but if i could chose, i would jump the pond any time!

            • Ella Raitch

              But you’ve got Princess Mary!!!! πŸ˜‰

            • Yeeeessss! From Tasmania πŸ™‚ lol

            • Missionary Kid

              When we left China in 1949, the population was about 5400 million, IIRC. Now, it’s 1.2 billion. At the same time, the population of the U.S. was 149 million, and now it’s 310. The thing that we’ve had that China didn’t was immigration.

            • he he… it’s weird to imagine. I never considered Chinese people to have that many kids and they also have a huge population that settled down all over the world. Many of the world’s problems, people dismiss and they don’t take those parameters into their worldview and so we get odd opinions about the others. Like Denmark is at war with Syria and now they syrian refugees are coming up to Denmark! wtf… When i hear people arguing that they shouldn’t come up here, i will say we should stop bombing them then!

            • Missionary Kid

              I have the same reasoning about Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan.

            • LongtimeLurker

              D’oh, I knew that. Too many friends to keep track of.

              You’ve got the overnight shift.

            • Running a different timezone, just like Meme the Cat!

        • What’sup

          You’re in Sydney hey LL?

          • LongtimeLurker

            Melbourne buddy.

            It’s been raining like a bastard for almost 2 days.

            Have you told me where you are? The town I mean?

            Apologies if you have and don’t answer if you’re not comfortable.

            • What’sup

              Type ” at the end of our journey” into the search bar.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Duh. Sorry. Why did I think you were Qld?

              I’ve seen that photo and everything.

              Man, looks like I picked the wrong week to give up sniffing glue.

            • What’sup

              Enthralled Observer is in FN Qld.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, I think I remembered that.

              I don’t think I was getting you mixed up…you’re…not the same as each other.

              Shruggity.

            • Molly Meldrum

              Never would have guessed.

            • What’sup

              Haha. I like you Molly,if you’re ever in Perth, let’s have a beer!

            • Molly Meldrum

              Love to πŸ™‚ (likewise up here).

              BTW just loooove your avi.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              You’re getting the rains we just had.
              Love the new avatar. The love heart just sets it off. πŸ™‚
              We need a Bunkeroo from NT and Tassie and we would have the full set, I think?

            • Molly Meldrum

              Yep, NT here. Hi!

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Oh cool. Love the name.
              Now all we need is a Tasmanian and we will take over the Bunker. πŸ™‚

            • Molly Meldrum

              (Thanks, it’s better than Ian Alexander)

              Do we have a Tassie reprezent ??!!
              Ah I guess it’s an old thread now, probably changed lanes.

            • Observer

              There’s nobody from the ACT as far as I know

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thx.

              Can you take the rains back, please?

              I thought we had someone in Tas.

              Maybe it was just someone passing through.

            • What’sup

              We got one from Darwin! Molly Meldrum…. Super cool

              We have a full mainland set. Yay for us.

              ETA: oh, I just saw you’ve already met.

      • OOkpik

        That’s odd. Tomorrow was here today. WTF!

  • Tom Klemesrud

    Did you ever think Tony, that this drone flew over where a ham radio operator by the name of Matt Choi may be holed up along with Dave Miscavige’s wife Shelly?

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34242-Rathbun-Case-and-the-Squirrelbusters-(David-Mayo-Precedent)&p=885244#post885244

  • Rene Trujillo

    Humans are strange animals”. (note: 1/2 a quote!)

  • Jonathan Cummings

    It is free to go to a taping of a television show.