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Former Scientology spy goes to spy on future Scientology ‘Ideal Org’

[Patty made a trip to Beantown for us.]

We hope you remember our podcast episode with Patty Moher, who told us about her history spying for Scientology, as well as her subsequent fun visit to Scientology’s moribund New Haven “Ideal Org” project. We had so much fun with that excursion, she went on another!

Bruno and I got up real early and drove to Boston to see how the Boston Ideal Org was doing.

In 2013, Scientology sold the Boston Org’s beautiful building at 448 Beacon Street and moved into a temporary office space in Quincy while they waited for their Ideal Org to be set up.

They had purchased the historic Hotel Alexandra five years earlier, but they eventually decided it wasn’t big enough to become “Ideal,” and in 2015 they settled for more of a business-park looking thing in Allston, a neighborhood of Boston.

It’s been sitting empty ever since.


I visited there, but let me tell you first about my visit to the temporary org, which also got moved from Quincy to Allston, and is just a mile away from the future Ideal Org at a place called Packard’s Corner.

Bruno and I got there about 10 minutes before 8 AM. I read that the org was supposed to be open from 8:30 AM to 10:00 PM, so I wanted to get there before most if not all of the staff arrived.

We pulled up right to their front door and parked. The org is on the second floor and I was under the impression from someone’s reporting earlier that Scientology had the entire second floor, which is big. (That turned out not to be the case.)

It turned out that there was another company up on the second floor called the Computer Systems Institute, and as it turns out this is a very successful company.

So as I’m sitting there in my car waiting for people to arrive I see two guys arrive around a minute apart and they look like mid-30s average white guys.

Each guy goes to the right and up a flight of stairs. The first one straightens up the Scientology display on the stair wall.

Then a 40-plus, heavy-set, poorly dressed, white woman arrives. Next, a 40-plus white guy wearing a black IAS jacket. His clothes were dirty. He looked like he had slept in them and then rolled around on a dusty floor.

After that two 30ish Asian guys arrived separately. You have to realize that at this point I didn’t know about another company being upstairs, and when I see these very nicely dressed Asian guys arrive I’m like, WTF? This, in Scientology lingo, is an outpoint. Seeing two upstat Asian guys going into a complete shithole of an org early in the morning just doesn’t fit.

Minutes later two Sea Org guys arrive and they are not wearing jackets. It’s 15 degrees with the windchill. The two SO guys are carrying takeout bags of food. One guy is very heavy set, they look slovenly, unwashed, and wrinkled.

Next came another 30ish average looking white guy and then came this late 50’s, silver-haired white guy dressed all in black and wearing a long black coat and I only saw his face for a second as he was moving fast. He looked familiar but I couldn’t place him. My first thought was this guy is OSA and he is really into it.

Over the next 10 minutes, I see three more average looking guys in their 30s and nothing about them stands out, and then a black guy with a very stylish Rastafarian look. He was another one that just didn’t fit going into a Scientology org.

From 8:42 am to 9:00 am, nobody showed up.

At that point, I decided to go upstairs and look around. When I got into the lobby I saw an elevator to the left and a door labeled “Central Files Downstairs.”

I’m thinking this damn cold weather is causing the arthritis in my knees to really hurt so I’m gonna take that elevator. Boy, was that a mistake. About halfway up to the second floor, the elevator started doing a very serious shimmy. The thing was shaking and rattling and I’m thinking, “Shit, I’m gonna fucking die in a Scientology building while spying on them.” The elevator stopped and the door opened.


The first thing I saw to my left was a large glass wall with modern looking interior design: bright lights and the business name Computer Systems Institute in huge silver letters. This was the point when I realized I’d been given bad information, and that Scientology does share the floor with someone else.

In all, I had seen 14 people go inside. After looking over my notes, I would say that 8 of them were headed to the Scientology org and the other six to Computer Systems Institute.

If I’m right, that’s eight people — and two of them on a Sea Org mission — for the entire Boston org. It has one foot in the grave. And I can’t imagine anything they can do to expand.

Across the hall from the sleek-looking computer outfit, you have this dingy-looking place with solid doors except for one, the one that leads you to Reception.

I didn’t think to look for cameras, not that I care, I’ve posted under my name for almost 20 years.

So I had enough of that and decided to go visit the building where the New Ideal Org is supposed to happen. I took the stairs down.

The new org was only a few blocks away from the current one so I plugged in the address to Google Maps and thanked Xenu for GPS!

Unfortunately, I got so busy looking at things I forgot to take pictures. I know, I know! I did take a video but for some reason, the audio is super slow and I sound like Jabba the Hutt. All I can say is that it’s monstrously huge. 70,000 square feet. As I was standing in their large parking lot looking at it I started laughing. There is no way Scientology could fill a couple of rooms in this gargantuan building, never mind a place of this size. They’re completely delusional. I honestly don’t think, with the size of this thing, that the Boston Ideal Org will ever happen. I’m betting the ranch that within 10 years the Boston org won’t exist.

I hope that one day the building will be sold and proceeds go to the victims. That would be so nice.

— Patty Moher


Technology Cocktail

“If the doingness you run is a basic one then it is possible that the preclear will blow all the charge on the Service Fac and this you will assess by pc indicators and meter phenomena (i.e. free needle).” — L. Ron Hubbard, 1966




We first broke the news of the LAPD’s investigation of Scientology celebrity Danny Masterson on rape allegations in 2017, and we’ve been covering the story every step of the way since then. At this page we’ve collected our most important links as Danny faces a potential sentence of 45 years to life in prison. NOW WITH TRIAL INDEX.


THE PODCAST: How many have you heard?

[1] Marc Headley [2] Claire Headley [3] Jeffrey Augustine [4] Bruce Hines [5] Sunny Pereira [6] Pete Griffiths [7] Geoff Levin [8] Patty Moher [9] Marc Headley [10] Jefferson Hawkins [11] Michelle ‘Emma’ Ryan [12] Paulette Cooper [13] Jesse Prince [14] Mark Bunker [15] Jon Atack [16] Mirriam Francis [17] Bruce Hines on MSH

— SPECIAL: The best TV show on Scientology you never got to see

[1] Phil Jones [2] Derek Bloch [3] Carol Nyburg [4] Katrina Reyes [5] Jamie DeWolf

— The first Danny Masterson trial and beyond

[18] Trial special with Chris Shelton [19] Trial week one [20] Marc Headley on the spy in the hallway [21] Trial week two [22] Trial week three [23] Trial week four [24] Leah Remini on LAPD Corruption [25] Mike Rinder 2022 Thanksgiving Special [26] Jane Doe 4 (Tricia Vessey), Part One [27] Jane Doe 4 (Tricia Vessey), Part Two [28] Claire Headley on the trial [29] Tory Christman [30] Bruce Hines on spying [31] Karen de la Carriere [32] Ron Miscavige on Shelly Miscavige [33] Karen de la Carriere on the L’s [34] Mark Bunker on Miscavige hiding [35] Mark Plummer [36] Mark Ebner [37] Karen Pressley [38] Steve Cannane [39] Fredrick Brennan [40] Clarissa Adams [41] Louise Shekter [42] John Sweeney [43] Tory Christman [44] Kate Bornstein [45] Christian Stolte [46] Mark Bunker [47] Jon Atack [48] Luke Y. Thompson [49] Mark Ebner [50] Bruce Hines [51] Spanky Taylor and Karen Pressley [51] Geoff and Robbie Levin [52] Sands Hall [53] Jonny Jacobsen [54] Sandy Holeman



Source Code

“You know girls are pretty high-toned ordinarily. You can never quite tell about a girl. You’re liable to meet her on Wednesday and her name is Elizabeth, and you’re liable to meet her on Monday and her name is Jessie, see. She changes her name very easily. Not only that, they get married and change their names. They do change their names. We do know that. Girl, up to the time she’s seventeen, has been very, very well — nicely known as Clarissa, you see, and she didn’t like that and you meet, next time you meet her she’s twenty-two and she calls herself Butch. There’s no telling what’s going to happen on it. Women do this, probably which accounts for their ability to hold on to a better-looking mock-up than men, because men become factually themselves. At whose assignment?” — L. Ron Hubbard, February 9, 1956


Avast, Ye Mateys

“We are auditing now at a volume higher than that of any org in the world with a completion rate far in excess of any other 3 orgs. The bruised elbows in getting lines in, the bruised tempers, the hard work is really paying off with the finest auditing ever done anywhere. We are also averaging two or three Clear OTs a day! Come on, other departments and divisions. You’re only expected to be the greatest division or department of your kind anywhere in the world. So fly, you guys, fly!” — The Commodore, February 9, 1971


Overheard in the FreeZone

“OT III is an incredible level — of all the gains I got in Scientology, OT III was my biggest one. Better than the L’s. OT III is fantastic. There are only two problems with OT III, either the student can’t audit, or he’s not quite ready for it. And if he does well on OT II, then he should do fine on OT III as OT II is part of one of the major incidents we run on OT III. I hope you know that.”


Past is Prologue


2000: The French government this week criticized the United States for defending Scientology in Europe, which it classifies as a totalitarian organization. From Reuters: “A French government mission criticized the United States Monday for being too lax on cults and unfairly blaming France for its harsher stance. The Interministerial Mission for the Fight Against Sects said in a report delivered to Prime Minister Lionel Jospin that Washington, in the name of religious freedom, was giving excessive protection to cults. ‘The confusion maintained across the Atlantic between religious freedom and prevention, even repression, of punishable sectarian excesses does not make dialogue any easier,’ the report said. French Justice Minister Elisabeth Guigou has raised the prospect of banning the Church of Scientology, which France, unlike the United States, does not regard as a religion.”


Random Howdy

“The difference is real religions admit their beliefs are based on faith, whereas Scientology claims nothing in it is based on belief or faith, but is based on 100 percent proven scientific fact.”


Full Court Press: What we’re watching at the Underground Bunker

Criminal prosecutions:
Danny Masterson charged for raping three women: Found guilty on two counts on May 31, remanded to custody. Sentenced to 30 years to life on Sep 7.
‘Lafayette Ronald Hubbard’ (a/k/a Justin Craig), aggravated assault, plus drug charges: Grand jury indictments include charges from an assault while in custody. Next pretrial hearing January 29, 2024.
David Gentile, GPB Capital, fraud.

Civil litigation:
Leah Remini v. Scientology, alleging ‘Fair Game’ harassment and defamation: Complaint filed August 2, motion to strike/anti-SLAPP motions by Scientology to be heard January 9, 2024.
Baxter, Baxter, and Paris v. Scientology, alleging labor trafficking: Forced to arbitration. Plaintiffs allowed interlocutory appeal to Eleventh Circuit.
Valerie Haney v. Scientology: Forced to ‘religious arbitration.’
Chrissie Bixler et al. v. Scientology and Danny Masterson: Discovery phase.
Jane Doe 1 v. Scientology, David Miscavige, and Gavin Potter: Case unsealed and second amended complaint filed. Scientology moves for religious arbitration.
Chiropractors Steve Peyroux and Brent Detelich, stem cell fraud: Ordered to mediation.



After the success of their double-Emmy-winning, three-season A&E series ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Leah Remini and Mike Rinder continue the conversation on their podcast, ‘Scientology: Fair Game.’ We’ve created a landing page where you can hear all of the episodes so far.


An episode-by-episode guide to Leah Remini’s three-season, double-Emmy winning series that changed everything for Scientology watching. Originally aired from 2016 to 2019 on the A&E network, and now on Netflix.


Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!

Other links: SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Tom Cruise and dirty tricks. Scientology’s Ideal Orgs, from one end of the planet to the other. Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society. Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in a weekly series. How many have you read?


[ONE year ago] Another Chicago Scientology hype video! But is the Saturday ‘Ideal Org’ event happening?
[TWO years ago] Danny Masterson accuser Jane Doe 1 hires lawyer who helped topple Jeffrey Epstein
[THREE years ago] The pandemic isn’t over, but Scientology leader David Miscavige is ready for his bow
[FOUR years ago] One sure sign a new Scientology ‘Ideal Org’ is on the way: the Central Files mayhem
[FIVE years ago] Thinking of leaving Scientology? Jefferson Hawkins has your roadmap.
[SIX years ago] Tory ‘Magoo’ Christman, and how Anonymous went from online war to in-real-life pickets
[SEVEN years ago] We have your invitation to Scientology’s holiest celebration of the year!
[EIGHT years ago] Scientology’s thug life, documented: Aaron Smith-Levin shares a record of Sea Org violence
[NINE years ago] Mark Ebner finds Scientology’s rubbish again as Narconon International vanishes!
[TEN years ago] Scientology’s continuing plans for its Super Bowl ad, and more Sunday Funnies
[ELEVEN years ago] Scientology Mythbusting with Jon Atack: Original Spin


Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley (1952-2019) did not see his daughter Stephanie in his final 5,667 days.
Tammy Synovec has not seen her daughter Julia in 2,805 days.
Valerie Haney has not seen her mother Lynne in 3,300 days.
Katrina Reyes has not seen her mother Yelena in 3,815 days
Sylvia Wagner DeWall has not seen her brother Randy in 3,365 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his grandson Leo in 2,355 days.
Geoff Levin has not seen his son Collin and daughter Savannah in 2,236 days.
Christie Collbran has not seen her mother Liz King in 5,540 days.
Clarissa Adams has not seen her parents Walter and Irmin Huber in 3,411 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 4,963 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 4,304 days.
Dylan Gill has not seen his father Russell in 12,871 days.
Melissa Paris has not seen her father Jean-Francois in 8,790 days.
Valeska Paris has not seen her brother Raphael in 4,958 days.
Mirriam Francis has not seen her brother Ben in 4,539 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 4,800 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 3,836 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy and daughter Jessica in 3,552 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 3,116 days.
Julian Wain has not seen his brother Joseph or mother Susan in 1,431 days.
Charley Updegrove has not seen his son Toby in 2,606 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 7,157 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 4,288 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 4,626 days.
Roger Weller has not seen his daughter Alyssa in 9,481 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 4,600 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 2,956 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin and daughter Taryn in 7,259 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 3,365 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis in 3,763 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 3,639 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 3,204 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike and daughter Emily in 3,717 days.
Mary Jane Barry has not seen her daughter Samantha in 3,971 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 15,080 days.


Posted by Tony Ortega on February 9, 2024 at 07:00

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The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2022 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Underground Bunker (2012-2022), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Other links: BLOGGING DIANETICS: Reading Scientology’s founding text cover to cover | UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists | GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice | SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts | Shelly Miscavige, 15 years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

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