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Liz Gale: The Scientology auditing of kids at Mace-Kingsley was my childhood

We got a big reaction to our piece on Monday about the Scientology affiliate, Mace-Kingsley in Clearwater, Florida, that targets infants and toddlers for their first experiences of a lifetime of L. Ron Hubbard dedication.

And no reaction got our attention like the one we heard from Liz Gale.

We hope you remember Liz from her appearance on the second season of Leah Remini: Scientology & the Aftermath, and also, before that, the story we did about her looking back at her brother’s death and how it had affected her family.

Here’s what Liz posted about Mace-Kingsley at our Facebook account, and that she generously agreed to have posted here as well…


This was my literal childhood. I did my first courses at mace Kingsley in Clearwater after being audited from birth by my mother (with actual sessions being recorded into my pc folder since prenatal).

Apparently I cognited that I was a past life Scientologist (is that what I said or what my auditor wanted?) – which then led to me believing for many years that I was my own grandmother reincarnated (“don’t tell me to clean MY room lol, I’m YOUR mom so you go to your room!).

My concerns about processing Scientology on children so young is that:

1) They develop no sense of self identity (it’s all what Scientology says the EPs are.

2) It teaches that emotions below 2.0 are not acceptable (aka non-survival or down-tone) which is damaging to social emotional development and regulation (it’s okay to be very very raging anger at 2.0 but grief or empathy is not ever considered survival and is often rejected as HE&R [“human emotion and reaction”] and not dealt with in a healthy way.

3) By studying any of Scientology’s writings at an early age, you realize that your parents and you have a contractual relationship (not all have this experience – especially those newer to Scientology, but as my mom was raised in it from birth the contractual relationship concept runs deep).


5) Use of the e-meter is INTERROGATION and teaches children they have no right to inner thoughts or a private world of thoughts which makes them vulnerable to bad leadership and disconnects them from the regular world.

— Liz Gale

Oh yes, that child security check is really something. We first wrote about it back in 2012 at the Village Voice, and it still shocks us that the interrogation L. Ron Hubbard wrote for children as young as six begins with the question…

“What has somebody told you not to tell?”

Here’s the full copy of the sec check. Are we nuts or in any other organization would an interrogation written for children like this be enough evidence to start a government investigation?



Scientology Childrens Secur… by Tony Ortega


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Source Code

“I found out very early I could bully people into having sonic, visio, and everything else. I don’t know what I was doing. I guess I was handling their engrams for them and I guess cutting down their self determinism; maybe turning them back into GEs. I swear, I look back on it, I might occasionally have turned off a thetan, put him sound asleep and turned the GE full on and the fellow was happy as a clam thereafter.” — L. Ron Hubbard, September 4, 1952


Avast, Ye Mateys

“NOTICE: Diana and I are going for three weeks leave, Sunday, September 5th. CS-G Comm, Lt. Nikki Freedman will be handling my lines while I am away. Further, the Guardian Offices WW and US are fully on post and completely capable of handling any matters which may arise. In case of extreme emergency, these Offices will also be in communication with me. Therefore, if any matter arises which has to do with Guardian Office functions and duties, place these on CS-G Comm’s Lines and such will be handled via the appropriate Guardian Office. The word is: BUSINESS AS USUAL.” — Love, Mary Sue Hubbard, Capt. CS-G, September 4, 1971


Overheard in the FreeZone


“Perhaps some Scientologists know the Wilhelm Reich story. Quite a controversial figure, but he did something in terms of helping people, curing diseases, influencing nature, etc. He spread his teachings around the same time that the book Dianetics gained its popularity. When the authorities wanted to stop his activities, they, without any games with a double, imposed an injunction on his activities, seized his books, devices and burned it all, and he was sent to prison, where he died about half a year later under mysterious circumstances. When those in power want, they do not stand on ceremony in their means. Why would they play with the doppelganger, train him in Scientology, so that he was about the level of LRH competence, continue to create ‘later tech based on original LRH materials.’ It would have been much easier to do the same as with Wilhelm Reich.”


Past is Prologue

1999: Keith Henson reported developments in his bankruptcy case, filed following Scientology’s $75,000 judgment against him for copyright violations. “This was a hearing to compel me to turn over various kind of financial records, most of which I don’t have, some of which they already have, and some of which make no sense at all, and when the records are produced for me and my wife to undergo more 2004 exam. Helena Kobrin and Alan Cartwright showed up for the cult, Tom Hogan and Elane Seid as local lawyer and bankruptcy specialist, nasty Marc and Darlene for the cheering section. My big objection was the cult wanting such things as names of doctors and dentists, and to the cult lawyers doing the depositions. Hogan agreed that information of that sort could be redacted. We went back in and my lawyer gave the judge a report that all was well, except that there was this issue of who could do the 2004 depositions. Hogan made the representation to the judge that Kobrin and Moxon were independent lawyers just the same as him and Seid, and whoever had time would do the depositions. Judge Weissbrodt then called Helena over to the mike and asked her how much work her firm did for RTC and all related corporations. Helena waffled a bit saying quite a lot, and the judge quickly cut her off by saying ‘is it over 50 percent?.’ Since just about all Moxon and Kobrin do is Scientology-related, she had to say yes. Judge Weissbrodt cut her off and said any exams had to be done by Seid or Hogan, she and other RTC types could not be present, and any transcripts had to be redacted by Seid or Hogan of information which could be used by RTC to bother employers, clients, contributors, doctors, or the like.”


Random Howdy

“You should watch me play Jeopardy when I’m properly medicated.”


Full Court Press: What we’re watching at the Underground Bunker

Criminal prosecutions:
Danny Masterson charged for raping three women: Next hearing set for November 10. Trial tentatively scheduled for February.

Jay and Jeff Spina, Medicare fraud: Jay sentenced to 9 years in prison. Jeff’s sentencing to be scheduled.
Hanan and Rizza Islam and other family members, Medi-Cal fraud: Pretrial conference October 7 in Los Angeles
David Gentile, GPB Capital, fraud: Next pretrial conference set for Sept 9.

Civil litigation:
Luis and Rocio Garcia v. Scientology: Oral arguments were heard on July 30, 2020 at the Eleventh Circuit
Valerie Haney v. Scientology: Forced to ‘religious arbitration.’ Petition to US Supreme Court submitted on May 26. Scientology responded on June 25.
Chrissie Bixler et al. v. Scientology and Danny Masterson: California Supreme Court granted review on May 26 and asked the Second Appellate Division to direct Judge Steven Kleifield to show cause why he granted Scientology’s motion for arbitration. Oral arguments scheduled for Oct 5.
Matt and Kathy Feschbach tax debt: Eleventh Circuit ruled on Sept 9 that Feshbachs can’t discharge IRS debt in bankruptcy. Dec 17: Feshbachs sign court judgment obliging them to pay entire $3.674 million tax debt, plus interest from Nov 19.
Brian Statler Sr v. City of Inglewood: Third amended complaint filed, trial set for Nov 9, 2021.
Author Steve Cannane defamation trial: Trial concluded, Cannane victorious, awarded court costs. Case appealed on Dec 23. Appeal hearing held Aug 23-27.

Concluded litigation:
Dennis Nobbe, Medicare fraud, PPP loan fraud: Charged July 29. Bond revoked Sep 14. Nobbe dead, Sep 14.
Jane Doe v. Scientology (in Miami): Jane Doe dismissed the lawsuit on May 15 after the Clearwater Police dropped their criminal investigation of her allegations.



We first broke the news of the LAPD’s investigation of Scientology celebrity Danny Masterson on rape allegations in 2017, and we’ve been covering the story every step of the way since then. At this page we’ve collected our most important links, including our four days in Los Angeles covering the preliminary hearing and its ruling, which has Danny facing trial and the potential sentence of 45 years to life in prison.


After the success of their double-Emmy-winning, three-season A&E series ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Leah Remini and Mike Rinder continue the conversation on their podcast, ‘Scientology: Fair Game.’ We’ve created a landing page where you can hear all of the episodes so far.


An episode-by-episode guide to Leah Remini’s three-season, double-Emmy winning series that changed everything for Scientology watching. Originally aired from 2016 to 2019 on the A&E network, and now on Netflix.


Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!

Other links: SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Tom Cruise and dirty tricks. Scientology’s Ideal Orgs, from one end of the planet to the other. Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society. Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in a weekly series. How many have you read?


[ONE year ago] SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Episode 2 spiked by Aussie network, ‘Witness X,’ is leaked online
[TWO years ago] Scientology’s biggest donors of 2019, so far: The whales giving millions to Miscavige
[THREE years ago] Two years after Scientology rehabbed an Australian acoustics lab, the silence is deafening
[FOUR years ago] Tomorrow on ‘Leah Remini’: You’re going to learn what it’s like on Scientology’s ‘Bridge’
[FIVE years ago] Bryan Seymour reporting live from Scientology’s ‘Advanced Org’ opening in Sydney
[SIX years ago] Actress Erika Christensen in unearthed video meant only for her fellow Scientologists
[SEVEN years ago] LIVE REPORTS FROM TAMPA: Scientology tests its religious freedom defense in fraud lawsuit
[EIGHT years ago] Our Man in Paris, Jonny Jacobsen, on the Scientology Appeal in France’s Highest Court
[TEN years ago] Scientology Never Forgets: A Telemarketing Holiday Miracle


Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley (1952-2019) did not see his daughter Stephanie in his final 5,667 days.
Valerie Haney has not seen her mother Lynne in 2,413 days.
Katrina Reyes has not seen her mother Yelena in 2,918 days
Sylvia Wagner DeWall has not seen her brother Randy in 2,438 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his grandson Leo in 1,458 days.
Geoff Levin has not seen his son Collin and daughter Savannah in 1,349 days.
Christie Collbran has not seen her mother Liz King in 4,656 days.
Clarissa Adams has not seen her parents Walter and Irmin Huber in 2,524 days.
Carol Nyburg has not seen her daughter Nancy in 3,298 days.
Doug Kramer has not seen his parents Linda and Norm in 1,628 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 4,102 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 3,418 days.
Dylan Gill has not seen his father Russell in 11,984 days.
Melissa Paris has not seen her father Jean-Francois in 7,903 days.
Valeska Paris has not seen her brother Raphael in 4,071 days.
Mirriam Francis has not seen her brother Ben in 3,652 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 3,913 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 2,951 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy and daughter Jessica in 2,664 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 2,189 days.
Julian Wain has not seen his brother Joseph or mother Susan in 544 days.
Charley Updegrove has not seen his son Toby in 1,719 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 6,270 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 3,419 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 3,739 days.
Roger Weller has not seen his daughter Alyssa in 8,594 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 3,713 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 2,069 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin and daughter Taryn in 6,372 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 2,478 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis in 2,876 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 2,752 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 2,335 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike and daughter Emily in 2,830 days.
Mary Jane Barry has not seen her daughter Samantha in 3,084 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 14,193 days.


Posted by Tony Ortega on September 4, 2021 at 07:00

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