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Almost 12 years ago, Shelly Miscavige vanished. Here’s why we keep asking about her.

[Shelly Miscavige and Leah Remini, about a year before Shelly vanished.]

Almost 12 years ago now, Scientology leader David Miscavige made his wife Shelly disappear.

In late August or early September 2005, Shelly vanished from Scientology’s secretive “Int Base” near Hemet, California, a place she had helped her husband run as a hard-as-nails Scientology “Sea Org” official in her own right.

We’ve written numerous times about the events that led up to her disappearance, that Miscavige blew his stack, for example, when he found out that Shelly had filled some job openings while he spent some time away from the base in Los Angeles. Mike Rinder told us that Shelly was also concerned about whether her husband was still wearing his wedding ring. It was obvious to him that Shelly was very concerned about the state of her marriage.

Until her disappearance, Shelly not only helped run Scientology as “C.O.B. Assistant” to her husband David, the “Chairman of the Board,” but she was also seen at annual Scientology events, and took the initiative in major operations. Just the year before, in 2004, she had spearheaded an effort to find a girlfriend for Tom Cruise, for example, and had young women auditioned for the role.

So it was extremely unusual for Shelly suddenly to be gone, even though some people didn’t notice it for a while. For Leah Remini, it was when she was at the Tom Cruise-Katie Holmes wedding in Italy more than a year later, in November 2006. It dawned on her that David Miscavige was there without his wife, and when she asked about it, she was told by Tommy Davis that she “didn’t have the fucking rank” to ask that question.

When Leah left Scientology in 2013 she was still asking that question — where is Shelly Miscavige? And she asked it of the Los Angeles Police Department, which responded to her missing-person report by visiting Shelly and getting her assurance that she was all right and didn’t want to make a public statement. When we asked LAPD Lt. Andre Dawson if his two detectives who met with Shelly did so in the presence of other church officials, he told us, “that’s classified.”

Even before Leah Remini came out of Scientology, however, we’d been writing about the strange disappearance of Shelly Miscavige, and we’ve worked hard to investigate her whereabouts through multiple, independent sources. And all of those sources point to one place, where we believe Shelly has been living and working since 2005: the Church of Spiritual Technology headquarters compound near Crestline, California.

CST is a bizarre sub-entity of Scientology whose mandate is to archive L. Ron Hubbard’s writings and lectures in underground vaults so that they can be recovered after civilization collapses. CST has vaults in three locations in California and one in New Mexico and planned to add another one in Wyoming that seems to be held up. But it’s at the headquarters compound in the mountains above Los Angeles where the actual archiving work goes on, with Hubbard’s words etched on steel plates to be stored in titanium containers filled with inert gases. For the last 12 years, Shelly Miscavige has worked on that project, as well as other Scientology products.

Recently, we posted amazing drone footage of the CST compound, and we also, last year, published a report about a possible sighting of Shelly in the town of Crestline itself, a sighting that we’re taking seriously.

According to that sighting, Shelly Miscavige may be in poor shape. The San Bernardino Sheriff’s Office refused to get involved when members of Shelly’s own (non-Scientology) family sought help getting more information about her. We similarly ran into a brick wall with the Sheriff’s Office.

But we have also said many times that it may be the case that Shelly is resigned to her fate, and wouldn’t welcome a chance to be “rescued” from the facility. At one point, she told a family member that the only way she was going to leave the place was for a funeral, apparently referring to the time in the summer of 2007 when she was allowed to attend the funeral of her father, Barney, while being watched by a Scientology “handler.”

Yes, it’s true that Shelly Miscavige is not “missing.” Her husband David Miscavige knows exactly where she is. And we’re pretty confident about where she is, too.

But it’s also true that Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, and many others are genuinely concerned about her, and are frustrated that law enforcement doesn’t seem more interested in her fate.

And that’s why Marty Rathbun’s latest accusations, in his most recent video segment posted to his website, are so dishonest and distasteful. Rathbun left Scientology in 2004, before Shelly’s disappearance, and he has no first-hand knowledge about it. Marty sounds exactly like the Church of Scientology itself, calling into question Leah Remini’s motives for seeking information about her friend Shelly, while simultaneously refusing to answer the most obvious question about her: Where is she? Why can’t Shelly explain her situation herself, if not to a reporter, then in a video to the members of the Church of Scientology? Why is her location and her work so secret that not even her own family members can see her?

These are legitimate questions, and Rathbun doesn’t attempt to address them.

The Church of Scientology can end speculation about Shelly Miscavige very easily: Let her speak for herself.

Speaking of Rathbun’s accusations, he made a lot of them in his previous video segment, titled “Leah Remini and her Troublemakers, Part 16.” They were largely about Aaron Smith-Levin and the episode of Remini’s show he was featured in.

Aaron decided to make a video response to Rathbun’s allegations. We look forward to reading your thoughts about Aaron’s video in the comments section.



Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,810 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,567 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,913 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,407 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,447 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,159 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 685 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,774 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,914 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,234 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,209 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 565 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,867 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 974 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,376 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,249 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 830 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,335 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,579 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,688 days.


3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on July 13, 2017 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
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  • Jgg2012

    Speaking of Marty, here is what Scientology says about him.
    Would you listen to a violent psychopath when he says that “he knows” where Shelly is?

    • You should also post the famous “Posse of Lunatics” edition of “Freedom”, which was so abusive to so many high-level defectors that it sounded unhinged, and caused many Scientologists to question their commitment.

      If Scientology works, how did Rathbun manage to rise to the post of Director General of Ethics, passing many e-meter tests, before proving to be “Violent Psychopath”? Why did ‘the tech’ fail so utterly to detect him.

      • Noesis

        “Inspector” General – not that it makes any difference.

        Ethics and Scientology have never really spent any time in the same neighborhood, but they do write letters to each other explaining how cool they each are and how much fun it would be to hang out together…sometime.

        • Missionary Kid

          $cientology ethics: an oxymoron if there ever there was one.

        • You’re right – and accuracy always matters. For some reason I was thinking of the head of the BBC…

          I always think of Rathbun as “Witchfinder General” because many of his ‘missions’ were crude witch-hunts with ‘sec checks’ instead of various more straightforward tortures.

          • Noesis

            I have a longtime friend that blew Scientology (and the Sea Org) more than three decades ago. He was GO / OSA for most of his time on board.

            To this day – he still reminisces fondly about the way people squirmed when he showed up with his emeter to do spontaneous crew sec checks at various Orgs.

            It may be the nature of some folks to always want some form of upper hand (real or imagined) when interacting with others.

            He has zero use or interest for anything Scientology related – but that particular duty gave him a thrill.


            • And Marty is an extreme case of this. He still behaves as if he entitled to that kind of deference – fear, even.

              I wonder how many secret police in oppressive regimes were there because they believed in the ideology, and how many because they enjoyed the exercise of power without responsibility.

              I suspect that many would have worked for any regime as long as they had that power over others that is so intoxicating for some.

            • Noesis


              Marty was the “baddest ass in Scientology.”

              At least he got the “ass” part right.

            • Missionary Kid

              It should be, “one of the biggest asses in $cientology.”

      • Jgg2012

        OK, here is Marty “Kingpin” Rathbun and the rest of the posse.

        • YOu really don’t understand that people in the real world recoil from the unbalanced hatred expressed there, and that it has even turned Scientologists angainst Scientology, do you?

          I encourage you to post iit more widely in other forums and praise it. You’d be doing the job of critics for them,.

          • Jgg2012

            Yes, the site seems like a grade school tantrum. Can you imagine the Vatican having a site like this for ex-Catholics?

  • Draco

    Congrats to Leah, Mike and everyone who appeared on Aftermath! An Emmy nomination – whoop whoop!

    A thought just popped into my head – were Marty and Davey trying to prevent this by creating those web of lies videos of Marty’s? Trying to create doubt about the truths spoken in this series? If so, MAJOR FAIL M&D!!


  • Hey Aaron, if you just got fired from your job a couple years ago, you should visit the labor board. Might be a case of religious discrimination.

    • Glen

      Derek, if I’m not mistaken Aaron has addressed this before. I think it was orchestrated for him to be let go before he was declared to undercut potential legal action.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Yes, that’s correct πŸ™‚

  • org-rat 1003

    Remember, Hubbards spirit is so powerful that if he didn’t want Miscavige in charge of Scientology he wouldn’t have willed him to be so from the between lives world. THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE! (Well, about 89% of them; it’s in the ‘Tech’ implicitly not explicitly) Questioning Miscavige’s legitimacy is questioning Scientology’s efficacy. If it was an erroneous situation for Miscavige to be in charge that would mean that Hubbard’s thetan was less at cause free from the body than when he was in the body. That is why Scientologists are so opposed to opposition to Miscavige: it’s because of what it would imply if he wasn’t THE MAN.

    • PeaceMaker

      That’s an interesting perspective, that I haven’t heard before, thought it does make sense given the scientological mindset. I’d assumed they had faith that Hubbard never would have left Scientology in any other than the best of hands – ignoring, of course, all the people who were once close to him who were later denounced as suppressives undermining things.

  • I watched most of Aaron Levin-Smith’s video. I didn’t understand a lot. Probably because I haven’t watched Marty’s videos. I still want to know what DM used to twist Marty’s arm into doing this. Marty must have some juicier secrets than any of us have imagined. Maybe he met with the Russians too?

    • flyonthewall

      No one twisted Marty’s arm. It was prob his idea and he was happy to do it.

      • There is no way an egomaniac like him could be happy about this.

        • Kestrel

          I think you’re both right. I think he thought the idea was the best thing since sliced bread and it was only as the minutes ticked by that he realized he’d Theroux’d himself.

          • PeaceMaker

            Yeah, I think either he cooked this up on his own and overestimated his stamina, or OSA set him up with just one long shoot knowing he would get tired and turn into a babbling fool by the end of it. The embarrassing result, is one of the reasons it is broken into small pieces.

            It seems like a long time ago that he started these out posing as a pseudo-scholar, trying to challenge Wright’s book point-by-point and page-by-page. I halfway expect that he’s going to wind it up frothing at the mouth about some nonsense and banging his shoe on a table.

            • Jimmy3

              You never consider the lawsuit in your alternate theories. You completely ignore that he and his wife inexplicably fired their lawyers and dropped a case they had put significant effort into. You never consider that he had spent years growing a following, critcizing the church and David Miscavige directly. Working with journalists and documentarians to expose all this fraud and criminal behaviour.

              Your theory begins at this magical point where he just decided to shoot a random video to, what, “set the record straight?” You completely ignore that his new record is directly contradictory to everything he’d said for almost a decade. And that those he’d publicly praised are now, one by one, his enemies, and that they line up exactly with the Church’s current enemies.

              But yeah. This is something he cooked up on his own. Just decided to do on a whim. Or, no, wait, maybe OSA tricked him. How the #2 in Scientology didn’t recognize the tactics or the very same players he was once superior to, well… a lot of things happen when you try to cook, right?

              Great theory, “PeaceMaker”

            • Noesis

              A gold star for perceiving directly through intentionally blown fog.

              Well done.

            • Jimmy3

              Put it on the chart next to my lunch cubby or it doesn’t count! I’m no fool.

            • Noesis

              Prior allusions are now being stated aloud.

              Again – well done.

            • flyonthewall

              you forgot to throw in shitbird in there somewhere

            • PeaceMaker

              Jimmy, what happened with the lawsuit was indeed “inexplicable” – but that being an unknown, or at least unproven, it can’t dictate theories about current events.

              As an example of “contradictory” behavior, Rathbun was writing the same criticisms of Going Clear on his blog in January of 2013 that is in the early videos, and yet he continued to promote both the book and later the movie. Starting around the same time, he left a lot of his following behind when he went off on his “Great Middle Path,” disavowed being a Scientologist, and started picking quarrels with some of the independents like Milestone 2. He’s been acting “weird” as Tony put it (referring to a change in that early 2013 period), and against what might be seen as his self-interest, for a long time. I think that what he is doing now, can be seen as just a more extreme version of the quirks of character and behavior that can be seen if you look carefully.

              Have you got a better theory for why he has let himself end up looking foolish in the latest videos?

            • Robert Eckert

              “that being an unknown, or at least unproven, it can’t dictate theories about current events” Your theories about current events cannot be nonsense in terms of the immediately prior history.

        • flyonthewall

          everyone is talking about his stupid videos and speculating about him constantly. How could an egomaniac like Marty NOT like that attention?

          • Egomaniacs are obsessed with all attention, but negative attention drives them crazy.

            • flyonthewall

              No. What really drives them crazy is no attention

          • What Marty is doing is humiliating and embarrassing. The fact that we are talking about so much it is even worse for him.

            • flyonthewall

              in Normieland, yes. In Martyland, not so much.

            • I don’t think there is a land in which you could spin this to be anything but complete and utter humiliating capitulation to Miscavige.

            • flyonthewall

              In Marty’s mind he is saving Scientology and sticking it to the critics who dared question and criticize him.

            • Dale

              The humiliation is embarrassing for others, who are empathetic. I think Marty is capable of only one emotion; anger. And others talking about him feeds his anger, which is as close to “love” as he will ever get. Not that I object to talking about him, I don’t.

            • The opposite to love is not hate, because they are, at least, both strong emotions. The opposite to both love and hate is indifference, and I think that this is what would infuriate Marty most of all.

              It’s also likely to be what he will face in future, after it is revealed how he sold out. Once we know he bought off, there will be no point in listening to his blatherations any more than any other crude Scientology propaganda.

            • Dale

              Pretty much agree. Though the internet makes it hard to tell how much of an audience there really is. But the personal animosity fuel he is running on just doesn’t have enough substance to really attract a group and sustain a following over time.

            • Yes. Following Scientlogy (which was designed to insure nobody could challenge Hubbard’s rule by fiat ) has left him utterly unable to organise a covivial evening in a brewery.

            • Dale

              And what is another indication that Rathbun is a Scientology convict? His snide chuckling notwithstanding, he is devoid of humor.

              And why does he keep saying “OK?” with a submissive gesture at the end of every few sentences…

            • Verbal tics like ‘OK?’ (which you see a lot in Hubbard’s ‘lectures’) are means of buying time while you get you thoughts in order.

              My guess is that he had his script, and a tight schedule. The cameras started to roll, ready or not, and he had to dive in for another take. Another guess is that this kind of thing will become more common as we approach the end of the single shoot from which all of these clips are taken, and he becomes more stressed and tired.

              Some people will see this as a sign of mental illness. It’s actually a man who once lorded it over the Sea Org being driven on by the director of a Sea Org film crew.

        • chukicita

          I think you are right.

    • ombrifuge

      He probably overdosed on covfefe.

  • J. Swift
    • J. Swift

      Marty was attacked by Squirrel Busters only to become a Squirrel Buster himself. Marty’s tarot card is the Tower:

      • chukicita

        I thought it was the Fool.

        • George Layton

          Nope, the fool has insight.

          • And the only character who would speak truth to power.

  • Richard Semon created the idea of memory engrams. In case anyone was wanting to add to the list of people that Hubbard plagiarized.

    • Kestrel

      O/T: I’m glad I wasn’t born with that name. Yes, I said it.

      • Rasha

        (nonchalantly cleans monitor) Hmmm hmmmm hmmm…..

        • Jimmy3

          Was that a.. errrmm… spit take?

          • Rasha

            NO! No. Haha! There was some…. dust. Or something. Gypsy moth poop, maybe – we’ve been dealing with that this summer…. No, really.

            • Kestrel

              It’s Kitteh dander.

            • Rasha


            • Puget Buckeye

              (you make me laugh)

            • Rasha


      • i’m glad you said it. i was still on the fence after careful consideration re: whether or not i have the kind of relationship w/ D to make these types of comments.

        • Kestrel

          “Where-angels-fear-to-tread” is my Blackfoot name.

          • Jimmy3

            I didn’t know it was coming and you tricked me into this mess of a thread.

            • Kestrel

              My job here is done.

          • Missionary Kid

            Are you a blood brother? πŸ˜›

          • chukicita

            Sure it’s not Na’pi ksikkihkini? (Trickster eagle)

    • I believe that ‘engram’ was suggested to Hubbard by Dr Joseph Winter as a more scientific sounding term than Hubbard had used previously. This was when Winter was part of the ‘inner circle’, planning the development of dianetics with the editor of “Astounding Science Fiction” John W Campbell and Hubbard himself. Winter had been drawn in because he wrote medical non-fiction articles for “Astounding”.

      The first appearance of dianetics in print was in the “Explorer’s Journal” in 1950 where the term ‘comanome’ was used.

      Only later that same year did a revised account of Dianetics appear in “Astounding Science Fiction.” The term ‘Norns’ was used here . Hubbard defined this as “Norse: a hidden witch which guides man’s fate all unknown to him”. Winter thought this sounded superstitious and unscientific, and suggested the scientific term for ‘memory trace’ – which is ‘engram’ – for the book. Campbell agreed, and Hubbard complied because the editor was supplying a lot of free publicity.

      Winter was initially a ‘useful idiot’, his MD giving respectability to dianetics (he wrote an introduction to the original book). To his credit, after being the Chief Medical Officer for the dianetics institute for a while, he saw the harm that untrained laymen were doing, resigned, and wrote the first critical book about it, “A Doctor’s report on Dianetics”

  • exccla

    this is off-topic, but Leah’s show with Mike R. was nominated for an Emmy today. That makes me real happy. It deserves the Emmy !

    • Glen

      It’s totally on topic and has been commented on quite a bit today. Fantastic news.

  • Shanester

    Disclosure: I have not watched any of Marty’s videos. I mean, seriously? But I did watch much of Aaron’s video because he is an engaging speaker, frequently funny, and a great relater of anecdotes. Compare Aaron to Marty who I consider to have an obnoxious presence and utter inability to relate anything except lies, delivered smarmily.

    I couldn’t help but notice that in the very first 30 second clip from Marty’s video that Aaron re-played, Marty says “come a-cropper”, which is a rather old-timey way to say “to fail.” L. Ron Hubbard used many colloquialisms which were popular in the 19th and 20th centuries but which have now largely fallen out of use — except by certain Scientologists who repeat them because they think it makes them sound their founder. It’s very interesting that Marty would use these terms; if I were feeling conspiratorial, I would say he is saying them to let his fellow Scientologists know he is talking to them.

    It’s been my pet theory that all of Marty’s ridiculous videos are part of his Liability Formula in which one must “strike a blow against the enemy”. Marty’s continuous use of Hubbardian language is a sign that these videos are for an audience of probably one man named David Miscavige.

    • Dale

      That’s interesting Shanester, and it’s not something I would have picked up on. I do find that what is most smarmy is his stage attempt to seem mildly amused by, basically, everyone.

    • Missionary Kid

      Several ex-clams that I know have said that it has helped them immeasurably to stop using Scinospeak words and phrases. They have said that it sometimes indicates how much progress a person has made since they escaped or left $cientology. Marty didn’t.

    • mark

      Pretty sure come-a-cropper is in one of the study tapes on the student hat course. As a basic course, most all in or out have heard it and had to word clear it.

    • J. Swift

      Well, there is where we sometimes come a cropper in auditing. We audit somebody in a rather advanced process and it’s unreal. Now, we’ve just had an experience of this happening. The guy apparently was just going bangity, bangity, bang, and yet it wasn’t real. — LRH, Scale of Awareness, May 1955

      • Elegant Mess

        What the literal f- is that nonsense? That man’s babblings infuriate me.

  • bixntram

    Totally irrelevant bit of trivia. My local fire chief is resigning according to a story in the town newspaper. Very nice guy, well liked by all. His name: Ron Hubbard. I doubt if he has any clue at all about his infamous namesake.

    • Syd

      Awww, poor guy! It’s probably best that he not know.

    • Noesis

      Please tell us he is not going to write a decalogy and run around the country in a motorhome until he goes insane.

      • bixntram

        Ha, ha, I don’t think so. Possibly someone has told him of the name coincidence.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m sure that he’s well aware of it, as are all people that have a famous namesake.

      • April

        I’m pretty sure LRH was insane before he ever got on the motorhome.

    • chukicita

      What was his mama thinking.

      • Missionary Kid

        Often times, they don’t know about the famous person, especially if they’re famous in an area that they don’t pay attention to. Some times, it’s just chance.

        I have a friend named Larry King. When he went to pay his bill for the gas in his airplane at Palm Springs, the woman taking his credit card said, “You’re not Larry King”, meaning that he wasn’t the broadcaster.

        My friend answered, “I’ve been Larry King longer than he’s been Larry King.” The broadcaster was born Lawrence Harvey Zeiger, and took the name Larry King when his broadcast career started.

        • MrsLurksALot

          I have a friend named Larry King. His wife is named Carol. Not the same spelling, but it always cracks me up.

          • Missionary Kid

            This Larry was married to Billie Jean for nearly 20 years, and he was once on the Larry King Show with the host and Larry King, the writer of The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.

            He and Billie Jean are still friends, along with his wife and kids and Billie Jean’s partner.

            I’ve known Larry since 1956, when we started junior high together.

        • Robert Eckert

          My dad used to work with a staid trust lawyer named Donald Duck. He just went by Don.

          • Missionary Kid

            I was in the Marines with Paris Frantz, and I have dated women named Sue Wood, Mary Will and Sherri Cann. As a gentleman, I won’t reveal if they did. After she dated me, Sue dated a guy named Brook Trout. He had a twin brother named Lake.

          • Missionary Kid

            That brings to mind Donald “Duck” Dunn, the sax player. You can see him in the Blues Brothers movie playing backup to the brothers.

    • PeaceMaker

      Ron L. Hubbard, nonetheless, if I have that right.

      You must not be too terribly far from my second home. We may have to arrange a New England-Adirondacks-Catskills SP meetup someday. Maybe in Albany/Delmar for the upcoming protest day?

    • chukicita

      Well done, sir.

    • George Layton

      Wrong mouth, that should have been Marty’s.

  • nottrue
    • Rasha

      …sadly, this is what happens when you leave Scientology….. *sigh*

    • Noesis

      All those bigots on the Emmy award nomination committee are just ganging up on the only group capable of freeing mankind.

      Imagine the overts those folks must have committed.

      • mark

        If you want a list of their overts look at nominations from previous years, there ore some real doozies if you go back far enough. There are a lot of good ones too, don’t mean to imply they are all bad.

    • Glen

      Such a great, joyous picture. To come out on the other side of abuse and heartbreak and to have a moment like this….just so good.

      • Observer


    • Gflded Kim

      Warms my heart. Such wonderful peeps..

  • bixntram

    Here’s another good one: A rock band named Hell, Ron Hubbard! Found them on Facebook. Within driving distance from me, no less. I’ll have to go jam with them. From Twitter: “Hell Ron Hubbard is a New Hampshire rock band with an eclectic heavy metal sound.” I love it.

    • Looks like they recently changed their name from Yeehaw Jihad. I’d expect nothing less from the state that also gave us GG Allin.

      Fun fact: GG and I share(d) a birthdate

      • chukicita

        I was there when he was recording Carnival of Excess.

        • Wow, “there” in the studio?

          • chukicita


            • *fistbump* closest similar experience I have is being “there” when Marilyn Manson and Slipknot were recording their albums at Rick Rubin’s “Houdini Mansion” … it’s the same place the Red Hot Chili Peppers recorded Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magik (<– there's the long way around random unrelated somewhat topical LRon/Jack Parsons connection) but that was before I moved to Hollywood

            • Missionary Kid

              Is that the studio that just closed, IIRC, North Hollywood?

            • no, it’s literally the old Houdini Mansion in the Hollywood Hills off of Laurel Cyn. the one you’re thinking of is Track Record and i was only there when my gf at the time was recording … thankfully, she was nothing like GG Allin, tho

            • chukicita

              i remember meeting Marilyn at a Florida Music Awards event in like 1991 or 2. He and I were nominated in very different categories. I doubt he remembers me. But his creative use of megaphone during his performance was interesting. πŸ˜€

            • Noesis

              Was Marty there too?

            • Puget Buckeye

              Hell, he hooked them up with the gig!

            • Noesis


              I was going to mention that if Marty was there…then it did happen.

              Or is that if Marty was there…it didn’t happen?

              I’m so confused.

            • Liberated

              Did you know Marty is the reason the Beatles broke up ?

      • Liberated

        Fun fact, I share a b-day with the day the music died.:-(

  • Panopea Abrupta

    DM just ordered himself a new doormat too.
    Actually, he just refurbished his old one:

    The other doormat he used hasn’t been seen in ages –

    • Observer

      Poor doomed little girl. πŸ™

      • Liberated

        I know, she’s just a little girl.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Missionary Kid

      That is a statement that is similar to what surviving Medal of Honor recipients have expressed: others, particularly the ones who made much bigger sacrifices deserve their honor more.

  • AntoniaW

    Over on Entertainment Weekly, as several of us here have found, the regular $cilon troll known as Elle has made what might be an interesting comment on Marty: “Everyone wanted him on their team to give them gravitas. Well, he pulled that rug out from under them. But he is more trustworthy than Remini and Rinder. Gosh, hope this doesn’t mess her up for that Emmy.”

    Could it be – could it possibly be – that the Cherch really thought that the Brown Jacket Series was the weapon that would scupper any Emmy nominations for Aftermath? Or indeed that this was any kind of effective anti-Aftermath weapon? Can they really be that deluded?

    • Hope so.

      CofS campaigns only underline the points made in ‘Aftermath” and provide both priceless free publicity and content for the programme.

      It must be wonderful to have an opponent who can be relied upon to respond to criticism by doing exactly what you have just criticised them for. Politicians would give and arm and a leg for opposition that stupid.

    • Joe


      • AntoniaW

        Well, and Elle, and possibly her 2 best friends. But my point doesn’t relate to Who Cares: it relates to whether or not the Cherch imagines that they might care, and is therefore formulating a Cunning Plan accordingly.

    • Noesis

      That is so sad.

      For the 13 people that are still involved in Scientology that have seen (or even heard about) any of Marty’s recent videos, Elle’s comment on Entertainment Weekly might make some sense.

      For the rest of the people…on this planet…such comments are just more unintentional hilarity from the folks over at that creepy building down the street that has been all fixed up…but is always empty anyway.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      IMHO the true target of the Marty vids was always Leah/Aftermath. A Emmy nod confirms that every scurrilous CO$ claim about the show is a lie. DERP! And I could be totally wrong but the season 2 previews seem to feature the victim(s) of Danny Masterson. Anticipating the takedown of one of the few celebrities that they have left and the exposure of their complicity in covering up multiple rape allegations has Miscavige & Co going all out to bring Leah/Aftermath down. They probably mistakenly believe that they can create a controversy so great that it will get it pulled, like what happened to that KKK show on A&E. They are idiots.

      • AntoniaW

        “They probably mistakenly believe that they can create a controversy so great that it will get it pulled, like what happened to that KKK show on A&E.” Ohhhh! Crikey, that’s exactly the sort of Cunning Plan thinking that they might indulge in. Love it.

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s the Streisand Miscavige effect.

  • Vaquera
    • Puget Buckeye

      I like Burgerboy’s freckles.

    • Gflded Kim

      Those ears….πŸ˜‚πŸΆ

  • nottrue
    • Syd

      Hmmmmm – I wonder if you have to have earned at least a Bachelor’s degree and be certified by the state of Ohio to teach??

      • chukicita

        Nannies, probably not. They don’t need teachers, anyway, those kids are going straight to Sea Org by the time they’re seven.

      • PeaceMaker

        Usually, in private settings, certification isn’t required.

    • chukicita

      “Are you looking for an on-purpose position where you can use Source 100% of the time?”

      And where everyone around you doesn’t think that an “on-purpose position” is an awkward way of saying intentional job, and “use Source 100% of the time” means you don’t have to hide the fact you’re in a cult.

    • PeaceMaker

      My guess is that anyone who falls for that will get the typical Scientology bait-and-switch, and end up doing a little bit of childcare, along with a lot of menial work like filing.

      It of course represents the also typical wishful Scientology “postulate” thinking, assuming that they need to hire for an imagined expansion, that is less likely to actually happen than their getting hit by a tornado.

      • Liberated

        If anyone ever does apply for that (cough) job and they say:

        No teacher’s license – no problem
        No college – no problem
        No high school diploma – no problem…..when can you start ?

  • Missionary Kid

    OT, but for those of you who want The Lucky Anchor Irish Pub shirts and stuff, they’ve now got some, and they’ll be sending me the information about them, including pictures and ordering information. I’ll post everything as soon as soon as I get it, probably in the next day or so.

    I’m ordering at least a couple for myself. I get no commission or discounts. I just want the place to thrive.

    ETA, for those unfamiliar, it’s close to $cientology in Clearwater, FL and they’ve apparently pissed off $cientology by posting a tour of Tom Cruises uncompleted apartment.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Bunker is a very special place.
    In an Internet that is infested with hate sites and echo chambers
    for insanity such as Breitbart and Infowars, awash with fraudulent
    nonsense, exploitation and manipulation, there is yet an oasis.

    Here there are believers in Christianity, there are free thinkers,
    pagans, atheists, poets and preachers, musicians and the tone-deaf.
    What is inspiring is that in this diversity there is above all compassion.

    Today’s best post moved me to tears.
    Thank you, Mary.
    Thank you for your honesty in sharing your pain.
    Thank you for your openess is sharing how they have hurt you.

    $cientology has always been an expression of a sick man.
    $cientology has always been opression by a sick man.
    His narcissism and his neediness have ensnared thousands.
    He and his acolytes have caused untold suffering, insanity
    and poverty, destroyed lives and destroyed families.
    This is why.

    As I write, my seven year old is making his little brother laugh.
    My wife is cooking supper.
    I’m knackered from sanding and sawing.
    I am happy to be back here.
    Here in my house.
    And here on the Bunker.

    Thank you, Tony.
    Thank you all, even the trolls.

    The next season of Leah and Mike is more than promising.
    Marty is like one of those skeeters I brushed away when hiking.
    Fear is a lousy means of transport, Dave.

    Tick Tock

    • Rasha

      *clink clink* #^_^#

    • Puget Buckeye

      Welcome home.

    • MrsLurksALot

      You make the Bunker a better place, Pan. Thank you for all your beautiful posts.

    • Nat-leficent

      Howdy considered the Bunker ‘home’ as well :’)

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • PeaceMaker

    The Tampa Bay Times didn’t even wait for their typical midnight deadline:

    EDIT/ADD: Posted this before reading; the article says that the pastor’s blog post has been taken down, and A&E has not actually arranged for such an event.

    Calling Scientology a dangerous ‘cult,’ Calvary Baptist Church pastor intended to help A&E film episode for Leah Remini series

    • Puget Buckeye

      So, it’s not going to happen? I’m confused. (Nothing new there!)

      • PeaceMaker

        From the article, it sounds like the whole situation is confusing and not entirely clear, with the pastor’s brother, who also works at the church, quoted as saying that A&E had actually asked for the event.

        Once again, it will be interesting to see what actually turns out to have happened – if we ever even get the full story.

        • Puget Buckeye

          I am beyond disappointed.

          • Gflded Kim

            Me too. Hope Tony helps clear up the confusion.

            • AntoniaW

              I’m sure he will.

            • Gflded Kim

              I know. I’m just so sad about this

            • AntoniaW

              We will learn more I’m sure from our Proprietor, but my gut instinct is that this may be a lost skirmish in a winning battle, not to mention a very promising war.

            • Gflded Kim

              Paws crossed..

            • PeaceMaker

              Elsewhere on this topic, Tony has recently written “Things have now changed,” though with no further explanation – yet.

    • Glen

      First paragraph of story in Tampa Bay Times:

      In an unprecedented public condemnation by a local religious organization about the Church of Scientology, Calvary Baptist Church Pastor Willy Rice declared Wednesday that the “community has been tormented by this Goliath for far too long.”

      Later in the story a response by Scientology spokesperson Ben Shaw:

      In a statement to the Tampa Bay Times on Thursday, Scientology spokesman Ben Shaw called Rice “a religious bigot,” promoting non-Christian and un-American views as he “shamelessly offered Calvary Chapel as a venue for hate speech.”

      “Pastor Rice should pray for forgiveness, forgiveness for his un-Christian conduct and for attempting to pull his congregation down the same false path,” Shaw said. “In inciting his congregation to pick up a rock and a slingshot, Pastor Rice must also assume responsibility for the consequences, not only for his bigotry, but for the inevitable hate crimes instigated by his ‘forum.'”

      • Observer

        …thus proving that, far from being bigoted, the astute Pastor Rice has Scientology’s number.

        ETA: I suspect Scientology will start committing “crimes” against itself while adding Calvary Baptist to its list of scapegoats.

      • PeaceMaker

        I hadn’t stopped to think about that turn of phrase, which could be taken the wrong. In reading the pastor’s comments, I was disappointed that he wasn’t focusing more on the abuses of Scientology, which are the legitimate central issue that all people of good conscience and good faith should be concerned about.

        I hope that nothing happened that suddenly forced a reversal.

    • after re-reading this twice, and going back to Pastor Willy’s letter yesterday, he doesn’t outright say A&E would be there or had anything to do w/ his plans on the 22nd. if i’m interpreting it all correctly, he said A&E producers had at some point reached out to him, and that Mike and Leah will be there on the 22nd for an open forum, but he does not imply this particular event would be in conjunction w/ A&E.

      • PeaceMaker

        Thanks for going back and checking. It’s always interesting to see the things that become clearer on a second, or even third, reading.

        We can only hope that this event still takes place. I’m concerned that the pastor’s unfortunate choice of phrase, may have queered the deal.

        EDIT/ADD: We can also hope that at least this will spark some reflection and even discussion among mainstream religious groups, about what they may have been complicit with, and when and how they should take a stand.

        • it’s certainly confusing. after re-reading Tony’s post yesterday, it does seem like the event was going to be part of the Aftermath series. i would think Tony would have at least confirmed w/ Mike and/or Leah first, but maybe not … ?

          • TonyOrtega

            Would you? And what makes you think now that I didn’t?

            • a) because they’re your friends and if you’re going to write about an event they’re scheduled to appear at … well, i would have.

              b) the TBT article says that the rep for A&E is claiming no such event is happening. period.

              To expose “the cult’s dangerous, deceptive and abusive practices,” Calvary Baptist had committed to allow A&E’s Emmy-nominated Scientology and the Aftermath series film a public forum in its worship center July 22. However on Thursday, A&E senior Vice President Dan Silberman said the network never arranged for such a town hall and none will be held.

              eti: just to clarify, i think you did. but you’ve surprised me in the past.

            • Tony Ortega

              If you check my story yesterday, I said that I confirmed the event with the Aftermath team. Things have now changed. But thanks for assuming that I didn’t do what I said I did.

            • i put consider Mike and Leah on part of the “Aftermath team” … whether or not you confirmed w/ them directly is kind of irrelevant. i assumed you did. you’ve assumed incorrectly. i understand things have changed. why are you coming at me like this?

              7:57pm: Edited to include strikes – just trying to better clarify slang to avoid further confusion.

            • Tony Ortega

              Of course I checked with them. I’m not happy that you keep acting like I “should have” but must not have.

              I don’t appreciate your assumption that I didn’t do my fucking job.

            • you seem upset. if you actually read my comments, i’m agreeing with you. i assumed you did exactly what you said you did. the only time i made an assumption, otherwise, was a casual mention to Peace of “but maybe not?” … i didn’t mean that as a question of your journalistic integrity and have no idea why you’re getting salty with me.

            • AntoniaW

              Sorry, it may be very poor etiquette to intervene, but as I know you love this forum I am going to do so. I think the sentence you wrote that has caused deep misunderstanding is this: “i would think Tony would have at least confirmed w/ Mike and/or Leah first, but maybe not … ?”

              I am sure it was written in haste, and that the last thing you meant to say was that Tony did not confirm the arrangements to which you refer: however, it is very much open to misinterpretation.

              I’m sure you can fix this. I am always putting my foot in it, and having to apologise. I think it happens to all of us from time to time. x

            • no worries, but that’s precisely my point. in other words, at the very least, i think Tony would have confirmed with Mike/Leah/someone on the Aftermath team (which he wrote yesterday and has confirmed again below) prior to writing about it.

              i don’t know how else to write this. i trusted that Tony did do the legwork to confirm. although i wrote “but maybe not” (offhand comment, meant nothing by it) i never really seriously doubted he did what he did or questioned his integrity, at all.

              and here we are. without making assumptions, it appears all of my comments have been completely misunderstood, as i clearly assumed Tony did do his “fucking job.”

      • Puget Buckeye

        But he did say this event was happening quickly and was “driven by the production schedule of A&E”.

        • that could have had more to do w/ Leah and Mike’s schedules w/ A&E (meaning they only had a limited window to do this independently) but since Tony has responded to me below, I’m more inclined to think the plans have changed drastically since yesterday and A&E is covering their ass.

    • AntoniaW

      Wow. This will take some unravelling.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Huh? I don’t like the sound of this…

      “(A&E senior Vice President Dan) Silberman said, to his knowledge, A&E was not pressured by Scientology.”

      • PeaceMaker

        From recent comments, it sounds like A&E wasn’t actually involved, just people from the Aftermath “team.”

        • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

          No, “Aftermath” is directly in the Title of yesterday’s story, so it’s off for who-knows-why…

          • PeaceMaker

            Tony did try to clarify that, please see what he had to say himself.

    • Missionary Kid

      The opening beat reminds me of this, Come Softly to Me by the Fleetwoods, in 1958. Somebody may get sued.

      • Missionary Kid

        Songfacts called it “sampling”. I hope the writers of Come Softly To Me got paid. That’s more than sampling.

      • Its exactly that, and why would anyone get sued when they obtained permission?
        Seven years ago.

        • Missionary Kid

          Good. I’m always a bit touchy when it comes to ripoffs. It’s amazing that I’ve forgotten a lot of things, but the songs from my puberty I remember well. Stuck in the 50’s am I?

          • Yeah, and I’m a bit touchy about premature conclusions and false accusations.
            She is a world class musician, not a thief.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve barely heard of her, but that is, apparently my loss. At first glance, I didn’t see any reference or credit to the original. In reading further, I found that the original performer, at least, still alive, is receiving royalties from the playing of his performance. The songwriters? I didn’t see it right away. I also did not accuse Eliza of thievery.

              As I posted to myself, Quote,”Songfacts called it “sampling”. I hope the writers of Come Softly To Me got paid. What is obvious is that what is on Liza’s record is far more than sampling.” End of Quote. I made the mistake of not going further, and for that, I apologize, but I never said or implied that Eliza was a thief.

              My anger is towards the producers of songs in the 50’s, who often put their names on the song credits when they had nothing to do with the writing and kept the proceeds. The sad fact is that the artists, like Richard Berry, who wrote Louie, Louie only got the royalties from the song writing 30 years later after suing. The settlement found him on welfare and made him a millionaire for the last 15 or so years of his life. The thievery had nothing to do with the people who had later recorded the song, such as The Kingsmen and subsequent performers who were unaware of the theft.

              Barrett Strong, who originally recorded Money (That’s what I want) had to sue Berry Gordy, his sister, and Motown to get his writing credit and, ironically, money. Again, it was not the Beatles who ripped him off, but Gordy, IMO.

            • Missionary Kid

              To add, the song, “Come softly” had a catchy beat, but the lyrics were written to get past the censorship that was rampant in the 50’s, so today, it appears dumb, when originally, the sexuality was all implied, and teenagers understood it. Eliza’s take on it is much more relevant.

              Another song, “Party Doll” got banned from many radio stations, (but that made it all the more popular) because it had the line, “I just want to make love to you.” Making love, at the time usually meant courtship, but many adults chose to classify the phrase in its more modern version. IMO, that probably led to the acceptance of the more modern definition, but that’s only my opinion.

              As late as the late 60’s, bluenoses often got the Stones’ “Let’s Spend the Night Together” banned from many radio stations. Eventually, though, it was so popular that it ended up being played on the air almost everywhere. It was released on the flip side of “Ruby Tuesday”, but they were charted separately. I remember finally hearing it on the air when I was in San Francisco for the 1966 new years celebration after spending the year in the South.

  • AntoniaW

    Just a comment to mark the fact that we’re at 1,000, at least from where I’m counting: I can’t believe our Proprietor keeps up this pace. Every day, at least one truly fascinating and ground-breaking story, one more nail in the coffin of a pernicious force. Thank you so much.

    • Missionary Kid

      You should be here when the news is breaking hot and heavy. We’ve had days when the comment count, with several posts by Tony, has hit, IIRC, 4,000.

      • I was thinking she was counting Bunker Days πŸ™‚

  • J. Swift

    Reverend Bob Tilton Handles Scientology & Pulls Marty Rathbun’s Withhold

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Mutty appears to be running a false, Black PR campaign on himself!

      Is there any possible way that Mutty is NOT being puppet mastered by the tiny tyrant throughout this video series, either as a result of being paid or through some form of coercion?

      There’s just too many of lil davey’s fingerprints here for that to be a coincidence.

      • I think so too but don’t know. Gives us all ‘something to look forward too’ per the WOGs prescription for happiness. “Something to do, someone to love and something to look forward too”. I’m full up :). Fuck you Marty. I’ll pray for you just as soon as I figure out how.

    • Wow.

      • J. Swift

        Marty has been running a false Black PR campaign the entire time since his wife dropped her lawsuit. It was covert at first and then became evident when he attacked Ron Miscavige’s book. That was his opening test run with OSA.

    • Noesis


      I’m actually looking forward to SuMP beginning to broadcast – because the raw material for cut-ins / edits like the brilliant one you did above will be quite useful and funny.


    • Missionary Kid

      How appropriate!

  • Supper Powers

    TOT: this is for my favorite Duck.

  • ShevilKat

    So yay–just saw “My Scientology Movie” on Netflix! Spoiler alert: Marty Rathbun is a self-important dick.

  • Tsk, the windows box decided to throw a “Unmountable boot drive” error. I have complete backups, but that’s a pain. Plugged in a USB recover/repair disk, which is slow, and let it grind…

    “Repairing disk errors. This might take over an hour to complete.”

    • Aaaand it’s done. Better now.

      This kind of thing is more relaxing with an image backup from Sunday to fall back on if needed.

  • nottrue
  • downtherabbithole

    Shelly looks thin & frail in the picture above.

    I am assuming this was taken before her fall from “grace” in Misgavige’s mind.

    It saddens me to think what has become of her today.

    • daisy

      She is gaunt in that picture , she cannot afford a diet of rice and beans for basic health,

      • Eclipse-girl

        Can I give her bread and cakes? They are what I have been craving??

        • downtherabbithole

          One of the bunker peeps recently posted a orange cream cake which inspired me today. Orange cream cake coming up.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Sounds wonderful. I imagine a bunch of women (sorry to be sexist) that deliver sweet, fat filled treats to Shelley in this remote CA area.

            • downtherabbithole

              Complete with cream cheese! Sign me up for delivery to Shelly

      • I think its sleep deprivation. No amount of healthy food can make up for years and years of not enough sleep and too much coffee amoung other suppressions… (so I’ve heard from reliable sources).

  • Eclipse-girl

    Being a lurker these days, it is hard to be up to date in the minutia of details – and while this is not a detail – it is a quick change.

    Do not blame our proprietor. Do not blame that you just hear some new off another blog.

    We come here BECAUSE of Tony O’s integrity.

    Does it matter that there is some confusion in the ‘miasma.’ I will wait for Tony O to verify his sources and act like a responsible journalist.

    E-girl. – (((hugs))) and Fuck you

    • What is this about?

      • Eclipse-girl

        Shit that is happening downstream – earlier?

  • Tony Ortega


    • Eclipse-girl

      Dont knwo what it is. Thank you

    • daisy

      Thanks boss.

  • downtherabbithole

    Time for a collective deep breath.

  • Barbara

    Something is wrong with the video…about 3min mark the audio goes mute, page fills with white….

  • lars hanson

    Wait a minute Aaron…………..The CHuRCH OF SCAMINOLOGY says that they officially don’t practice “disconnection”? πŸ˜‰

  • KingofSweden

    Enjoyed the video, Aaron!
    In imitation of his dyslexic mangling of your surname, I suggest everyone start calling America’s most vexatious ex-apostate “Marty Bun-rath.”