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CLAIM: ‘Frail’ looking Shelly Miscavige spotted near Scientology compound in California

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[Shelly Miscavige and the California compound where she’s being held]

For a few days, we have been communicating with a woman we’re going to call Rachel. We know Rachel’s real name, and a lot more about her besides. Everything she’s told us about herself and her husband has checked out. But because they fear retaliation for telling us what they know (and they say that it’s already happening, more about that below), we’ve agreed not to use their real names.

Rachel and her family live less than two miles from the Church of Spiritual Technology headquarters near Twin Peaks, California — the 33-acre super-secret compound where we believe Scientology leader David Miscavige has kept his wife Shelly stashed away for the last 11 years.

The small CST headquarters is in the mountains above Los Angeles and near Lake Arrowhead, California. It’s not to be confused with Scientology’s much larger 500-acre International Base about 50 miles away and near Hemet, where David Miscavige lives and where, in 2004, he created a notorious prison for his top executives that is known as “The Hole.”

In the late summer of 2005, eyewitnesses tell us, David Miscavige blew up over some minor changes that his wife Shelly made at Int Base while he was away. A week later, she vanished. Several different lines of evidence have convinced us that at that point she was moved to the CST headquarters, and she’s been living and working there ever since. Shelly was only seen in public one time since then, in the summer of 2007 when she was allowed to go to the funeral of her father in the presence of Scientology “handlers.”

 
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[A map showing Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters known as PAC Base or “Big Blue,” the secretive Int Base near Hemet that is the location of “The Hole,” and the small CST headquarters in the mountains near Lake Arrowhead where we believe Shelly is being held.]

 
Rachel, who has lived her entire life in the area, tells us she was only vaguely aware of the odd CST parcel, and didn’t really know what it was for. “High school kids here like to drive by and flip off the cameras,” she says with a laugh.

Then, earlier this year, Rachel had to deal with a medical situation that required her to spend a lot of downtime taking medication. With time on her hands, she began watching a lot of Netflix and YouTube. And that’s how she stumbled on Leah Remini’s appearance on ABC’s 20/20 which had first aired the previous year, in October 2015.

In that appearance, Leah was promoting her book, Troublemaker, and 20/20’s Dan Harris asked her about the fateful 2006 wedding of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, when Leah first noticed that Shelly Miscavige was missing.

At that point in the program, ABC posted this image of Shelly…

 
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It was one of the photos of Shelly taken around the year 1990 by Claudio and Renata Lugli, who were Scientologists and personal tailors to the Miscaviges. In the photo, Shelly is modeling an outfit they had made for her. (We met the Luglis in Italy a few years ago and brought these photos back with us.)

Rachel says she was stunned. She called over her husband, and she says at that moment, they were “90 percent sure” that they had seen the woman before, on two different occasions in the nearby town of Crestline.

The first incident happened in the first week of December, 2015. Rachel says they were at Lake Drive Hardware, just a few blocks from Lake Gregory, picking up some Christmas trees that had been donated to the place where she works. Rachel’s work involves helping people recovering from alcohol and substance abuse problems, and she says it’s that background which made her take note when a woman walked into the store.

“She was a thin, smaller woman, escorted by two men,” Rachel says. “Disheveled. Almost like a drug addict, or like she was homeless.”

The woman, whom Rachel now believes was Shelly Miscavige, looked all of her 55 years, had long, stringy graying hair, and appeared “frail.”

The two men with her looked younger; Rachel estimates they were in their 30s. “They seemed to be leading her, like you would someone who was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. It was awkward.”

She apologized for not noticing more about the young men. “My attention was never on them. My attention was on her. This was what I do for a living, work with people who are in that kind of shape. And I had a thought that this woman was not supposed to be there. It was disturbing.”

Four months later, around April 2016, the same thing happened. This time, Rachel says she was at Goodwin & Sons Market, a few blocks away from the hardware store, when the same woman came in, again escorted by two younger men. The woman had the same kind of appearance as the previous time, but Rachel didn’t notice if it was the same two young men.

When Rachel later saw the 20/20 special while she was convalescing, she realized that the frail looking woman was Shelly Miscavige. She then began researching more about Scientology and who Shelly was.

Then, as Leah Remini’s new A&E series began to air recently, Rachel became determined to do something about her sighting, and she reached out to us.

By then, she had already made a trip to the CST compound with her husband. They had seen the drone footage we posted of the compound in September and they wanted to find out what they could see of the place from the ground.

They took a few photos, including this one…

 
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[In this map, the Crestline hardware shop and grocery store are highlighted. The CST headquarters, marked with a red star, is about two miles away.]

 
But as they did so, a truck emerged from behind a fence, and began following them as they made their way back to town. Since then, in the last few days, they have noticed people sitting in cars outside their home.

“Yesterday at the grocery store, some guy asked my husband for change and directions, then started asking him personal questions, about how long he had lived in the area, things like that. It was really weird,” she says.

We asked her to update us if she continues to see strange activity.

In the meantime, we called up Dylan Gill, the only former CST employee who has ever given press interviews, and whose story we first told in 2012.

Dylan told us that he’s been positive for years that Shelly Miscavige was being held at the CST headquarters. And when he worked there, he regularly was given time for buying supplies in town.

“I think it’s very possible that it was Shelly they saw, and if she had company, it’s because of who Shelly is,” he says. “I was pretty positive that she’s there, and this just confirms what we expected.”

In 2013, Leah Remini filed a missing person report about Shelly with the Los Angeles Police Department. The LAPD closed the case without ever giving Leah a formal response, and told reporters that the case was “unfounded.”

On Monday, Leah’s attorney, Douglas Mirell, filed a records request with the LAPD, asking it to explain how it closed the case and what investigation was done to make sure that it had checked on Shelly’s whereabouts.

Leah tells us that so far, she’s had no response to her new request.

Was it Shelly that Rachel and her husband spotted near the CST headquarters twice in the last year? At this point, we think her report is credible. And if that’s the case, our concern for Shelly Miscavige is even more acute.

Frail, disheveled, perhaps disoriented. Is Shelly Miscavige in need of help? And when is the LAPD, or any law enforcement agency, going to take her disappearance more seriously?

 
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[Shelly Miscavige and Leah Remini, circa 2004]

 
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Chris Shelton on Leah Remini’s A&E series

Says Chris about this video: “Leah Remini’s A&E show, Scientology and the Aftermath, is a tour-de-force of truth against the vicious and horrible lies that Scientology tells about its critics and what it does to its own members if they dare to buck its authority. In this episode, I lay out the five reasons that this show is far more important than just ‘another Scientology documentary’ and why everyone should be seeing it.”

 

 
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Go here to start making your plans.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on December 15, 2016 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Juicer77

    Ugh. Now I’m wondering if Shelly will ever be allowed outside a building again. This is horrific.

    • Vaquera

      Or if this morning they packed up her duffle bag and moved her even farther off the grid.

      • flyonthewall

        I wondered the same thing. I bet if they did Tony has sources who would know and tip him off. Would end up just being further proof they’re trying to hide her

        • Vaquera

          Moving Shelly is the first thing that came to mind while reading this morning’s post.
          Got a knot in my stomach.

          • flyonthewall

            it’ll be ok

            • Juicer77

              Keep saying that. I need to hear it.

            • flyonthewall

              Disqus says I already posted that ๐Ÿ™

              How about, be ok it will

            • Juicer77

              Thank you, Yoda.

            • Vaquera

              A rice milk hot chocolate might help.

            • flyonthewall

              that reminds me, I got fancy starbucks hot chocolate n mug for xmas from work party. I am saving it for a cozy emergency though

      • grundoon

        Moving the person to another jurisdiction is standard procedure for them.

        I believe that CST HQ has vehicles ready to roll on a moment’s notice in case they get word of a raid.

    • chukicita

      I wonder that about the Hole, too. Where is it now? You *know* he’s moved it.

      • Juicer77

        Yeah. I agree. It may not be double trailers, it will be some other extreme control mechanism/area.

      • grundoon

        Someone said the Hole was shut down after JB’s revelations, and the holees now get to sleep in the “new” berthing buildings. No doubt Miscavige could arrange equally miserable conditions for them no matter what building he puts them in.

        • chukicita

          Prison of the mind. And you’re right, he’s probably not going to look after their comfort.

  • Vaquera

    O/T question:
    In auditing, is there a gradient price point depending on who your auditor happens to be?
    Would Marty “the Wayne Gretzky of auditors” Rathbun be more expensive than a first year auditor at the Boise Mission?

    add: I’m referring to the hourly rate

    add: To sum up…auditing prices for a particular level vary according to the venue, not the auditor. Got it.

    • Jimmy3

      He’s more like the Wayne Knight of auditors IMO. And sanity is Jerry.

      • Vaquera

        And white knights require serious knowledge of doorknob tech.

    • April

      AFAIK the auditing at Flag costs a lot more than at other orgs. But that’s as far as my knowledge extends regarding price differentials.

      • Vaquera

        Thanks. I suppose the better and more practiced an auditor is the faster you would reach clear therefore saving some money….with which to buy TWTH booklets.

        • grundoon

          That’s the selling point. But actually, faster to clear means less time at the less expensive, friendlier lower org.

    • Sunny

      There are different price points, but it is not based on the auditor, but more on which org you go to.
      Class V Orgs have a specific rate (Class V are the local orgs, these so-called Ideal orgs and such). Back in the day when there were missions, auditing in the mission would have been your lowest price.
      Their also used to be field auditors, who were allowed to charge whatever they wanted, except (I may be wrong on this), they were not allowed to charge less than their local org. I know there was a stipulation for the field auditors, I just don’t recall exactly what it was, but most likely would have been that they had to charge more than the local org.
      A Sea Org org that delivered auditing (such as Celebrity Centre or ASHO or AOLA) has higher rates than a local org. Mostly it is based on what level is being delivered, not by who the auditor was.
      Introductory auditing in an org always cost less than the “further in” type auditing. Intro auditing was about 400 for 12 1/2 hours. Something like that. And the “further in” was higher… to the amount of a couple of thousand per intensive.
      I don’t know what the hype is about Marty, he hardly did any auditing. He was on administrative post and I think only audited whoever he was directed to audit by DM. You could not “purchase” auditing to get Marty to do your sessions. I only dealt with him a few times when I was at CC, and they were always on administrative matters.
      Some preclears did prefer a specific auditor, and we tried to accommodate when we could, but it was never really additional cost for such a thing.
      EDIT: Flag auditing, on any level, is significantly higher no matter what processes are being run.

      • Juicer77

        Great comment. And you can bet Mismanage didn’t assign Rathbun as someone’s auditor because he was especially skilled at it. More likely because DM knew Rathbun would bring them back under control.

        • gtsix

          Yeah, that was my thought when I first saw GC. His auditing seemed more like celebrity sec-checking – as he was doing Beghe and Cruise. when Cruise was being pulled back in and Beghe was having his doubts. Maybe that was different once he went Indy.

      • Vaquera

        I appreciate the thorough answer. The Gretzky comment came from Beghe in Going Clear.

      • Vaquera

        Sunny, many thanks for the recollections you share and for your generosity of information, no matter how plebeian the question.

    • FredEX2

      You can do basic ‘co-auditing’ for quite a few hours for very little. I think the initial fee is around $350-600 for unlimited co-auditing with a ‘twin’ you are paired with and this type of auditing goes along with the study of Dianetics and some extension courses . As Leah said, the basic life improvement courses can be nominal in cost and can also be helpful, kinda like ‘self help’ courses. It all seems nice and positive and innocent…at first. It’s kinda the ‘bait’ part of the ‘bait & switch’.

      It’s a process to ‘get on the Bridge’ and into the ‘bigger’ more expensive courses. For instance auditing with a trained auditor can cost anywhere from less than $100 to over $250/hour. And a more extensive course like the PTS/SP course costs over $3,000. The ‘Purification Rundown’ also costs around $3,000. The more you do and higher you go up the Bridge course chart…the more expensive everything gets.

      • Vaquera

        Thx Fred

    • chukicita

      Observation on this thread: While I’ve seen reference to cost, price, and price points, no one has referred to “donations.”

      Scn, Inc. is a bidniz, not a church.

    • grundoon

      After you’ve started the OT levels, lower class (less expensive) auditors aren’t allowed to audit you any more. From then on, all of your auditing, sec checking, review, etc, will come at a much higher price per hour. Upper OT levels are only delivered at Flag (+$$$/hour) or the ship (+$$$$/hour); there you also get hit for lodging etc and you’re a 24×7 captive audience for regs. The L’s require a Class XII auditor (+$$$$/hour) – also anybody at Flag with money to burn can splurge on a Class XII.

  • Hamtaro

    Just FYI: welfare checks are listed in Black’s Law dictionary as an essential police function: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60a7daec5df901948f48df0f041dc125f63c31307bdb26bb025df3efe6fb3b20.png

    • Jimmy3

      That’s really horrible. They need to be paid more.

  • LongtimeLurker
    • Mark Foster

      Evidence of “OT powers” : that comment made all irony meters on the planet simultaneously evaporate.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        You’re right, mine is gone!

      • jazzlover

        The shit going on down below has made my irony meter explode. LOL. And yeah, I didn’t watch the video, but I thought it sucked anyway ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hi Mark! Long time no see.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Rachel …..our own little Nancy Drew ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • stillgrace2

    Any vehicle seen leaving the CST compound today should be followed. Note to Local Law Enforcement: Pull the vehicle over, check for covering blankets and check the trunk.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      The Sea Orgy cult members who are working with/guarding Shelly out in the middle of nowhere are as isolated as she is, but undoubtedly under less duress and scrutiny. And since one of the main purposes of casting Shelly into internal exile instead of the RPF was to isolate her from her fellow $cilon colleagues and friends, the CST staff that share her isolation are not likely to be rotated out of there on any kind of a regular basis, if at all.

      As a result, all those folks are as much captives of their circumstance as she is and must be feeling their isolation and lack of contact with others outside of the compound fairly acutely. It would be great if we knew who was stationed there with her and efforts were made to contact their friends and family to express concern about their situation to them as well. Support and concern about their welfare, in addition to Shelly’s, could result in one or more of them deciding to leave the cult and, perhaps, bringing news of Shelly out with them.

      • Traditionally, the Kings assassins met with grisly fates themselves, as soon as they could be discreetly disposed of.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Even though the cult has become largely a toothless tiger, there are certain subjects that are so sensitive that anyone who goes there should be very, very careful indeed. Shelly Miscavige is the most dangerous person alive to DM, and since he’s already proven himself to be a sadistic sociopath capable of some of the most heinous behavior imaginable, I certainly wouldn’t underestimate his willingness to do whatever it takes to see that Shelly never tells her story.

          So far, internal exile has worked for him, but lil davey the foot-bullet champion has a real knack for screwing the pooch, so I can also imagining him doing something stupid in this particular case as well, especially if the heat gets turned up on him.

  • nottrue
    • outraged

      On no! Rachel and her husband better watch out. Radar picked up the story. DM will not be happy. :-}

  • 666 Comments – my number!

    • John Prince

      I never noticed that before. .that your Dice are Loaded. .

      • I never loose.

        • flyonthewall

          thats not what i heard

        • John Prince

          Roll one for tc. .he could use a little luck โ™ง

          • Dice No More on that cunt!

            • John Prince

              That’s more betterfied

        • Jimmy3

          Nothing could possib-bly go wrong.

        • Missionary Kid

          You’d certainly could lose if you’re never loose. ๐Ÿ˜€

          • I don’t play that game!

            • Missionary Kid

              You mean Grammar Nazi? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • wtf is that ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Missionary Kid

              You wrote “loose”, which means “not firmly or tightly fixed in place”, instead of the right word, “lose”, which means “be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something).”, which was what I believe you intended your post to mean. I was making fun of your misteak, er misteek,, er, mistake.
              Edited. I put the definition of loose in two times.

            • Missionary Kid

              I made a mistake. I meant to define lose as, “be deprived of or cease to have or retain (something).” I’ve edited my post.

            • lol – my spellchecker has the day off

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s the problem with English. Both words are spelled correctly, so spell check doesn’t catch errors like that.

              My dad first spoke Swedish, then learned English when he was 17 and immigrated, and, at 26, learned Chinese. I asked him what the most difficult language to learn was, and he said, “English, by far.” It’s so damn irregular, and spelling isn’t phonetic, for the most part.

            • aha! I was bottled up with it and could read and understand it better than my Danish because of Television. Different century though!

            • I’m now very confused about Clint and Clyde – what did “Every which way but Loose” mean? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that the expression predates Clint Eastwood. The term “every which way” dates from the 1800s, and it means every way. I interpret the full phrase to mean the opposite of every way; to be tightly held and not released. If you beat someone up, every which way but loose, you held on to them and beat the shit out of them, IMO.

    • Princess Squishy

      679 your number is up

    • Missionary Kid

      You know, don’t you, that the number of the beast was different in an earlier scripture found recently? Besides, whoever wrote Revelations was on acid. Some branches of Christianity don’t have it in the biblical canon, and it’s a number that excites the fundamentalists – probably the wrong one.

      • Interesting – you have more on that?

        • Missionary Kid

          I’ll have to do some Google-fu. Here’s one reference http://www.wnd.com/2005/05/30211/
          Then, there’s the fundamentalist defense of 666. http://escapeallthesethings.com/666-616-number-mark-of-the-beast/

          My opinion is that it’s all bullshit. Fundamentalists maintain that Revelations is what is really going to happen, and others maintain that it’s really about the Roman rule of Israel. I have doubts about how accurate it is because much of the New Testament is based on oral history that was written down years after stories supposedly took place.

          Growing up, I was aware of 666, but the sect I belonged to didn’t attribute any magic to it. That has developed over the last 60 years, I believe.

          • Thanks! i will read it later. I also found out, that what ever significance you assign to symbols, it’s a load of crap and it all boils down to the phenomenon of Taboo.
            I only keep this up, to get “nice” people to stay the hell away from me! Something i have learned from certain teenagers along the way!

            • i told Mish many moons ago that i do it “to freak out the squares, man.”

              *waves outstretched hand, palm facing out, from right to left* pay no attention to my occult symbol/Egyptian mythology tattoos *ends wave*

            • ha ha true.. don’t let my pendulum distract you! Please ๐Ÿ™‚

          • I was told it was a numerological thing that developed over time (as you say, much was added in the recording of an oral history).

            a) 3 is the number of the Trinity, which is holy
            b) 9 = 3 x 3, so 9 must be an especially holy number
            c) 999 is 3 x 9, so it must be even holier
            d) It is a heresy to believe that Satan has any creative power – he can only pervert God’s creation – hence 666, an inverted 999.

            • yeah! that’s also the version i have heard

            • Missionary Kid

              The trinity wasn’t even a part of the dogma until the 3rd. century AD. All of that is ex post facto woo woo trying to make something significant.

            • kemist

              I think it was an attempt to make a square peg (2 “gods”, one of them being the father of the other) fit into a round hole (monotheism).

              Otherwise it becomes harder to berate pagans about being polytheists…

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. My interpretation of the OT, where they speak of the god who does this or that is a rewriting of earlier texts where those were actually separate gods instead of different facets or characteristics of monotheistic god, but that’s just my opinion.

            • exactly… someday they find out that it was just number he he

            • Robert Eckert

              Arabic numerals had not been invented or given their present shapes.

            • Missionary Kid

              Snickersnort. I studied enough math not to have any faith in numerology. Numerology is to mathematics what astrology is to astronomy.

            • As we have learned here, reason has nothing at all to do with belief.

            • Missionary Kid

              AMEN! ๐Ÿ˜€

            • RAMEN

            • Missionary Kid

              Were you raised Catholic, or was that whole routine something that you picked up?

            • I was raised absolutely nothing at all. Just part of a fascination with arbitrary beliefs and the Byzantine rationalisations that people prop them up with

              The doctrine of the Trinity, which you mention below, is a prime example – a political rationalisation formulated by committee which has perplexed believers down the centuries.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think that movies have had a large effect on people’s cosmology. Rosemary’s Baby and The Exorcist are two examples. Both revived earlier, dark age concepts of evil.

              Even among the fundamentalists use of hellfire and damnation comes more from Dante than scripture, I’m inclined to say.

            • TrishRan

              And conveniently for the people who formulated the Trinity, baffled people often ask the wrong questions and don’t so much notice certain things going on around them.

            • TrishRan

              I was raised catholic and did 6 years in convent school. Officially the catholic church doesn’t go in for numerology much.

            • Missionary Kid

              Neither do most fundamentalist protestants go for numerology, but there’s always a number of people who will go to great lengths, grasping at anything to buttress their beliefs.

          • oh, great. next you’ll be telling us that Christmas isn’t really Jesus’ birthday and the whole celebration is based on a weird perversion of Saturnalia, Mithraism, and the Sol Invictus, then i’ll have to shop for all new holiday cards ;(

            • Missionary Kid

              Well, if you’re going to be historically accurate…you’re right.
              What you do with your Christmas holiday cards is your business. ๐Ÿ˜€

            • i’m so confused by all the fake news and whatnot, which is the politically correct (or is it unpolitically incorrect?) term for the season i have to use now?

            • Missionary Kid

              Festivus.

            • TrishRan

              I like Festivus.

              Or the Holiday Season. Or Christmakwanzakah.

            • lulz. i’m going w/ Christmakwanzakah so i can have the badmotherturducken jammed w/ grits and kosher matzo stuffing this year. do i owe you a royalty payment or does it fall under fair use guidelines?

            • TrishRan

              I place it in the public domain. Use away!

            • gtsix

              Just go with Festivus.

              Airing of the grievances starts at 1:58pm, ending no later than 1:59pm (you know what day).

            • TrishRan

              Don’t forget the feats of strength!

            • is that a “we need the stats by 2pm” thing?

      • Kestrel

        Like 616?

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup, that’s the number found in the earlier payrus.

        • TrishRan

          I went to convent school some years ago, and I heard about 616 in religion class back then.

    • i know i missed the party by about a 100 comments but it’s never too late for:
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/201b299a150877fc0d4d56cd06e8d27a0f594976a1667308ca7e3c4b5975fdbb.jpg

      • My mom hated that one ๐Ÿ™‚

      • gtsix

        I loved iron maiden. In high school, we introduced our history teacher to maiden by playing him Alexander the Great and the Trooper. He was aghast… and then we gave him the liner notes and he was impressed. Came to school later, and there in History class was this poster:

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/f/f7/Trooper.jpg

        He fought the principal to keep the “devil music poster” for the remainder of the year.

        • cool teacher he he

        • loved?!? past tense? you don’t stop loving Maiden, agent6. i know they had a rough patch but haven’t we all?

          my British wife makes fun of me because she thinks the lyrics are mostly “Bruce just reading a history book” … and the 80s spandex outfits. haha, joke’s on her. i still wear mine.

          • gtsix

            I stand corrected Mr. Duck. I love the Maiden and always shall. She makes fun of that? Heathen! History to heavy metal.. there is nothing better! Dickenson was good, but he was less historically accurate than Harris. But all Maiden is good Maiden.

            And I have been singing “run to the hills” on repeat for the past 15 minutes. I’d go listen to it, but I am in a temporary office with no headphones. Ruuuun to tha Hiiiiiiillllllls, run for yoooooourrr liiiiiiiife!

  • As Sheriff Lee Baca has potentially learned, “law enforcement” people who help cover up $cientology crimes get blowback from the environment they’re supposed to protect. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-baca-obstruction-trial-20161214-story.html

  • Jgg2012

    This matters because one of Scientology’s many extravagant claims is that its members have great marriages. Oh, really? How often do Shelly and Davey get together? Does she join him for his $300 meals courtesy of Santa Monica Seafood? Even wogs who get divorced can at least get alimony, remarry and enjoy a new marriage, but not Shelly.

  • Mark Foster

    For those so inclined, check out the scientology letters to the production company for Leah’s show:
    http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/exclusives/aftermath-letters
    Scientology: the intersection of hubris and humorlessness.
    Scientology: the intersection of ignorance and irony.
    Scientology: the intersection of mendacity and myopia

    • jazzlover

      You forgot the intersection of mea culpa and fuck off.

      • Mark Foster

        Heh!
        Scientology: the intersection of quid pro quo and “oops, wrong hole!”

        • jazzlover

          I like it ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Me thinks the cult doth protest too much!

      • Missionary Kid

        Methingks the cult is full of shite.

      • LongtimeLurker

        NO METHINKS!!!!!!!!

        Sorry Tony, I just can’t help it.

    • MadisonAgain

      They really need a new shtick!

  • flyonthewall

    if someone was keeping me captive I wouldn’t do or say anything, literally. I would just sit there in total silence and not eat or drink. They’d be forced to take you to the hospital eventually or you’d just die. Either way, you’re free

    • Princess Squishy

      Maybe she’s too afraid of death. So many people think they are ready for death and ready to give up their fight with (cancer/emphysema/etc) but they don’t stop taking their medication or take the steps (if allowed in their state) for medically assisted suicide, because once they are really looking at it, they aren’t ready.
      She knows she would just die, because she knows what happened to Lisa and probably a lot more than we even know about. They wouldn’t take her to the hospital.

      • flyonthewall

        McPherson is it though, they wouldn’t let her die after what happened with McPherson. Think they want to go through that again?

        • Princess Squishy

          I think they would think they could get away with it. She’s this far removed, this far off the grid, in the middle of nowhere and hasn’t been seen since 2007, and now we’ve spotted her in 2014-2015, she could die tomorrow and we might not find out about it for 10 years. Besides, what did McPherson hurt them? IIRC they had to pay out on a civil lawsuit, but they didn’t get convicted on any criminal charges right? And she was in the middle of town, and had family on the outside. Does Shelly have anybody? Isn’t all of her family in Sci or passed away? So who is able to stand up and say she is missing or to cause a stink when she isn’t seen for a few more years?
          Sorry I’m being cynical https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7236ba83d3d6543c6afa925f49718e577fd8f5d88d26a8db2a95b5f0eeef8f42.gif

          • flyonthewall

            We would find out about it bc they have to bring the body in and fill out a death certificate etc, there’s a paper trail.

            Rathbun said they spent at least $30 million on the McPherson case. Plus they twisted so many arms to get out of those charges, it was a nightmare for Miscavige. Miscavige doesn’t have people like Rathbun and Rinder to cover for him anymore either. It’s a different world nowadays. I really don’t think they’d let it happen

            • I see your point. However, what they want or don’t want doesn’t seem to be having much influence on what is actually happening lately.

              Hubbard could not control ‘Snow White’ and Miscavige has no control over life and death (it’s a miracle he can control his own bladder).

              If Shelly were (god forbid) to die suddenly, in the absence of proper ‘fixers’ Miscavige would thrash about in a characteristically counter-productive way and anything could happen.

              No amount of money could save him from the fallout from his own actions. Having cash isn’t enough on its own – you have to know how to deploy it properly.

            • TrishRan

              Plus Miscavige lost so many competent people like Rathbun and RInder.

            • Princess Squishy

              You may be right. They could just file their own MPR on her when she dies, after doing the best they can do to get rid of the body. Then you say she disappeared, “she was here, we thought she was happy, then she clearly decided that she didn’t want to be a scientologist anymore and she blew”

            • flyonthewall

              is Miscavige going to dig the hole and hide the body himself? No, he’ll have to have someone do it and then how is he going to trust that person not to blow and go to the cops? It would be a domino effect of events getting worse and worse. I really don’t think Miscavige is so stupid that he doesn’t realize that

            • TrishRan

              One thing though, police are often suspicious of the person who files the MPR, just like they are suspicious of the person who reports finding the dead body. When the police are at the very beginning of a case, they start with probabilities, and often enough the person who makes the first contact with the police has something to do with there being a dead body to investigate.

            • Princess Squishy

              yeah but the police being suspicious of Sci filing a MPR most likely isn’t enough reasonable cause to bring them up on charges. They would have to find a body or evidence of a death, and you know they would be well cleaned up before they called the police.

            • TrishRan

              Nobody gets brought up on charges because of suspicion, at the time an MPR is filed. But if the body turns up, the person who filed the MPR goes right to the top of the list of people to be investigated.

              PS I love your screen name, Princess Squishy!

            • Princess Squishy

              thanks ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Princess Squishy

              I’m sorry I’m still being cynical. Bad Squishy

            • DoveAlexa

              No, keep being cynical, I certainly haven’t been proven wrong this year. Things even got worse than I was fearing. f5 http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/07/072c5f87c36c6670bf4ae83e68dead3246ecb88b8a6a806a8b4740f8987c4a69.jpg

    • Missionary Kid

      Co$ would say that you did it voluntarily, and come up with a shore story about you. You wouldn’t be free, just dead.

      • flyonthewall

        dead is free

        • Missionary Kid

          Dead is free
          Not to mee

    • Jimmy3

      That’s what I’d say I’d do, too. Except I’d still drink and maybe have a few snacks on the sometimes.

      • flyonthewall

        worst.hunger striker.ever.

        • Jimmy3

          I have to eat with my big pharma or I get loopy

          • flyonthewall

            Ok then, that’s ok I guess. Watching a new Netflix show called Captive. Is pretty cool, got me thinking on my kidnapping victim game plan.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s on my list, should I watch it?

            • flyonthewall

              I like it. One bad thing is they often have the ex-captives on camera telling the story so it kinda deflates the suspense of whether they were rescued. Otherwise is really well done.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Cool. Thanks fly.

            • DoveAlexa

              *crosses Fly off the list*

    • Hamtaro

      Off topic: I was thinking of you today, Fly. Someone on the radio asked “what’s the best way to build a large, structurally sound gingerbread house that people can walk through?” and a man called in to say “bake your gingerbread in the shape of Lego bricks.”

      • flyonthewall

        structurally sound AND delicious

      • ithilien

        Theres one near here. It has a wooden framework, like a play house, built evey year by a carpenter, covered with gingerbread bricks and mortar icing. People nibble on it.

    • kemist

      It’s very hard to voluntarily resist the drive to drink / eat once you reach the point where it starts to be dangerous for your health. And it’s a long, painful and lingering death.

      Starving yourself to death takes far longer than most people tend to estimate.

      I think I’d go the “drink bleach” route.

      • flyonthewall

        but once you reach a certain point, you can’t eat even if the food is right in front of you. Also the lack of fluid will kill you faster than lack of food, maybe 10 days w/o water max. Besides, your captors will not want you to die on them and they don’t want the hassle of force feeding you etc. I think passive resistance is def the way to go.

        eta – it is def slow and painful no doubt but the chances of your captors letting you die, I think, is pretty slim

    • Nat-leficent

      Morbid.

      • flyonthewall

        that’s ok sometimes

    • chukicita

      Maybe that’s what Lisa McPherson did.

  • Meanwhile, just outside Lake Drive Hardware in Crestline, Scientology PR responds to today’s news… (Resume hoarding cardboard and plastic bags): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/35b18f511b6b8895c405a3b5f1d060cbed21ee9905d0fa43135cb10bb77e621e.jpg

    • Observer

      • Oops! Thanks, Obsโ€”corrected ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Libertylover

      That’s the webcam view, isn’t it ? Strangely it hasn’t updated since I posted link and is stuck at 6:13 AM

      • The very same. Now it’s stuck at 9:40 am ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • DoveAlexa

        You refreshed the page? It’s not a video feed but just a picture from the feed that gets embedded into the page when it’s loaded.

        • Libertylover

          Yes I clicked refresh till my fingers bled. I tried it from another computer too. It looks buggy but if it’s only updating every few hours, there isn’t much hope it caught Shelly’s visit.

          • TrishRan

            You might try closing the link to that camera and opening another link to it. I find with the traffic cameras in my area that they don’t refresh so well after a couple of times, and starting over every so often gets better results.

          • DoveAlexa

            Tried ctrl+f5? It forces the cache to clear.

  • nottrue

    Can’t stop to pee but can stop to tweet about having to pee… https://twitter.com/NSAshill/status/809436903107887108

    • kemist

      Mmmm….

      I wonder if OT VIIIs shit ? Probably not, to be that much full of shit…

      • Observer

        Too MESTy.

        • Mark Foster

          No worries, OT9 handles it!
          Da Shit Rundown.
          It’s all about the shit!

    • Ben Franklin

      What happened to OT8s being able to control MEST? If they can’t even control pee, what can they control? What a waste of money and time.

    • Mark Foster

      Sounds like her meat-sack is finally registering the effects of being fucked, for decades, by scientology…

    • Rasha

      “Oh, I have to urinate. I’d better tweet to the world that I have so much to do I don’t have time to urinate.”

      “Scientology: Salvaging This Sector Of—” oh, gawd. I just can’t.

      • TrishRan

        “My body is such an obstacle to getting anything doneโ€ฆ”

    • TrishRan

      Maybe someone should introduce Kirstie to Depends – she could continue with her business without all those inconvenient pee breaks.

    • Newiga

      Girl, go to the effing bathroom!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        … and in the name of holy Xenu DONโ€™T TELL US!!

        • Newiga

          Way TMI, Kirstie!!

      • Rasha

        Wait – Krustie’s a GIRL???

        • DoveAlexa

          Of indeterminate species, but yes.

    • madame duran

      Note: she never tweeted that she’s too busy to eat.

      • TrishRan

        Sick burn!

      • Rasha

        ShhhBAP!

    • Princess Squishy

      Pee got to her brain she can’t even spell. Seriously it wastes more time to walk around bent over because you have to pee so bad than it does to go to the bathroom. Idiot.

    • Unex Skcus

      Wonder if someday, someone will make a very weird movie, “Being Kirstie Alley”. (With apologies to John Malkovic)

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    My theory: That 2005 confrontation between David and Shelly left her with a permanent disability (TBI, maybe). The reason she was “disappeared” was because anyone in contact could easily tell that something is wrong with her, especially any clam that knew her. The only way to cover up whatever David did to her is to keep her hidden. Otherwise they could have just made her do a “hostage” type video to prove that she is ok and the story would have been put to rest years ago, but she is not ok.

    • flyonthewall

      you think he knocked her on the head real hard??

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Honestly, I could see him beating her to a pulp. Or he could have thrown her down and she hit her head. Some head injuries never heal. How many concussions you figure she may have had – chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). During their marriage, I wouldn’t be surprised if he used her as his private tackling dummy. IMHO

        • TrishRan

          I would actually be surprised if it turned out he’d never beaten her.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            And who knows, it could have even been mutual. They seem to have been 2 of a kind.

            • TrishRan

              Another plausible theory. I’m sure if someone hit him back he would never let anyone find out.

          • flyonthewall

            he tackled that one lady who tried to sec check him, forget her name. Normally though, when it was time for a woman to get a beating he usually had another woman do it for him, according to Debbie Cook anyway

            • TrishRan

              That wouldn’t surprise me. But, spouses often are treated worse than other people in the physically abusive person’s life.

    • TrishRan

      Not impossible. But he disappeared plenty of people who didn’t suffer from DM-inflicted injuries.

    • Libertylover

      It’s a good theory and David does hit women auditors I hear. She must have been at least presentable though, to have been brought out and taken to the funeral they allowed her to attend.

    • chukicita

      But she got to go to her dad’s funeral, albeit with handlers.

      • TrishRan

        On the other hand, I have a dear friend who has a TBI, whom I knew long before the injury. If you don’t know about the injury, it’s not apparent in casual conversation. My husband has only known this friend since he had the injury, and when he notices our friend, say repeating a line of thought we talked about 15 minutes ago, I have to remind my husband “brain injury”

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Those closest to her would be more able to spot it. That could be why she was sent to a remote place where the folks had never interacted with her before.

          • TrishRan

            Depends on the type of injury.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Yep

            • TrishRan

              That’s the sad part, because he mostly functions well, people often don’t give him the patience he sometimes needs.

              I could picture him going back to where we grew up and people thinking he’s just forgetful, or wondering why he finds certain little things so difficult to process, but not even suspect TBI.

        • chukicita

          Good point. Although just living with DM is enough to injure anyone’s brain.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        How long was their interactions? Was she “herself”? How long had it been since they had interacted with her? Was she on medication? And judging someone in the midst of grief, is iffy at best. Hmm… IDK

        • chukicita

          Good points. But if there was a really obvious physical injury related deformity, it would have been visible.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            She could have initially been hidden away to buy time while the obvious psychical injuries could heal (cuts,bruises, broken bones) but the other injuries (TBI, CTE, etc) she could not fully recover from and that is why she has remained hidden. How would COB explain her condition – going from normal to not, so quickly. Not to mention that it would be a crime. Again, this is just a theory.

            • TrishRan

              It is a plausible theory.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Also, that funeral outing may have been a test run to see how she well she would perform. They thought she failed or it was too risky to do it again. Remember that was a one time thing and she hasn’t been seen again ๐Ÿ™

            • Draco

              The only reason she was allowed to attend the funeral, would have been to avoid a “PR Flap” by her not attending. If she looked terrible then already – well her dad had just died – what else would you expect?

    • Wouldn’t have to be a permanent disability.
      He probably beat the shit out of her.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        The hardest thing to understand is why he wouldn’t just trot her out on if she was physically/mentally sound. COB would love the PR of proving all the “Shelly is missing” stories were bogus and an evil SP plot, wouldn’t he? What a propaganda bonanza for him and the clams would eat it up. “My wife is being attacked by SPs – send a check to the IAS to defend the church now…”

        • TrishRan

          I dunno. Maybe she is so mentally sound he is afraid she would make a break for it or reveal something he thinks would destroy him.

        • Because she is not physically/mentally sound as per today’s report.

  • mikecrosby

    Dayum. That video by Chris is really good.

  • iampissed

    Morning all

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Mornin’. How are you today?

      • iampissed

        Doing ok sitting in the hospital with dad.
        Mr Miscavage I wonder who will sit with you when the time comes and it will.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          You’re a good son.

          • iampissed

            Thank you..and to be totally honest walking into hospitals is like
            passing though the gates of hell for me. But what are you going to do.
            I guess if I were a scientologist I wouldn’t have this problem.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Because you wouldn’t be in hospital caring for you father like a normal family?

        • chukicita

          He’ll have his bottle of Scotch and be conscious enough to hear Lou frantically packing.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Thoughts still with you iam.

  • Ben Franklin

    Next time anyone spots Shelly, please take a photo, a video, or something.

    • DexterSka

      Well she’ll have to do an amends project after this. I mean what overt did she commit to pull this in?

  • Mark Foster

    You know, I had never even heard of Shelly Miscavige until I left scientology. I have a feeling that I am not an isolated case…

    • Ben Franklin

      You never knew that David Miscavige had a wife?

      • Mark Foster

        Correct. I didn’t know that Ron had three wives, either; I only knew about his last wife.
        I read most of the cults magazines(propaganda) about Ron, so I believed all of
        the bullshit about him being an explorer and a great sea captain and a student
        of the history of philosophy and of ancient civilizations. Drunk on the kool-aid this one was…

        • jazzlover

          Be thankful that Davey boy wasn’t like the typical cult leader having several wives simultaneously ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Uh, he never had a wife. Get with the program, Ben.

    • iampissed

      I’m sure you are right Mark.

    • Dylan

      Who?

    • Nat-leficent

      Hi Mark ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Mark Foster

        Nat ! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • LongtimeLurker

      Wow. They just don’t want the members to know anything, do they?

      • edge

        Nope, only the stuff they want members to know, and even that is subject to revision. I remember asking the Bunker community if they still show the LRH death event, where OTIX and OTX were first mentioned, as well as the notion that Hubbard ‘dropped his body’ in perfect health. It also included Pat Broeker and a very poor public speaking performance by a young Miscavige. They don’t show it anymore and I was told they (Scientologists) couldn’t own a copy of that event.

        • Once again, under Miscavige they have gradually abandoned any pretence of controlling the public’s perception of Scientology and are concentrating on that of their members.

          This is a significant withdrawal.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Wow.

    • Mockingbird

      Me too. Twenty five years in.

  • Rasha

    Slightly O/T, but I’d like to send out a very special ‘Thank You’ to lil’ Tommy Davis for helping to make all of this, if not actually happen, at least expedited. Very expedited.

    Carry on.

    • Newiga

      I nominate Tommy Davis for The Best SP Domino Effect Award.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’d put him at #3, right behind Ratcavige and Crooze.

        • Newiga

          Yes, they make a good trio.

          • TrishRan

            Dare we say 3 Stooges?

            • Missionary Kid

              No. That’s insulting the 3 Stooges. ๐Ÿ˜›

            • TrishRan

              True enough

            • Newiga

              We do. Three boogers.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Tommy Davis.

      “KSW – Keep Stupid Working”, Tommy you dopey, entitled bastard.

      • TrishRan

        Oh, come on, making John Sweeney go psychotic is such a marketable job skill.

        • LongtimeLurker

          You can only ever do it once tho’.

          Like being a kamikaze pilot.

    • LeahRocks

      I agree! If Tommy was still in the Sea Ogre..he would be in the hole for sure. His arrogance began this entire thread.

    • kemist

      I think we should not forget the other Tommy as well… You know, the one who does his own stunts.

      Without his video, a lot of this would not have happened.

  • iampissed

    I wondered this for awhile what is the succession plan if Mr Miscavage were to let’s say
    have a heart attack or some such?

    • TrishRan

      If he had no plan other than for the organization he controlled to go down in flames, he wouldn’t be the first control-freak leader to do so.

    • There was never a plan for a rational succession – which is why Miscavige was able to seize power in the first place. Having done so, he would not dare put one in place, because that raises the possibility that he could, possibly be removed from power.

      What would happen if Miscavige was removed from the scene is an interesting (if entirely speculative) question. Is there anyone left with the standing to take over, or would another pretender seize the throne by force of arms?

      One of the criteria for the long-term survival of a new religious movement is that it establishes an effective administration upon the death of the founder. Among other things, this saves civil, and the decimation of the membership, every time the leadership changes.

      Scientology lost a lot of members, directly and indirectly, to the purges after Hubbard’s death and it’s doubtful if it could survive another such period of turmoil (for one thing, the growing numbers of ‘under-the-radar’ members would likely make their move when Scientology was even more confused than usual).

      However, COBs work is not yet done. He has to lead the organisation even further out into the wilderness before he leaves us. Then the coup de grace will be complete.

      • Jeb Burton

        I can think of one warrior who is ruthless and crazy enough to try.

        • I sometimes think that is his fantasy – to regain the power and perceived prestige he had when he was ‘Witchfinder General’.

          I doubt he could resist the opportunity – but would not have the ability to make it stick against a real operator unimpeded by belief in Scientology.

          • Mockingbird

            That’s sad if true.

            • He still seems captivated by ‘The Tech’ and Louis Theroux demonstrated his lack of patience with those who don’t immediately embrace it. His was the attitude of a man who would have enforced compliance, if he had the power.

              There’s nowhere else in the world, now, that he can exercise ‘authority’ based upon his ‘technical expertise’ -the independent sector have proved too diffuse and disorganised.

              Fundamentally, I think the man still longs for the ‘good old days’ which is, indeed, sad.

      • chukicita

        This is a great assessment. However, it’s also interesting to note that Scientology had to submit to the IRS an organizational structure that at least on the surface didn’t look like an ecclesiastical dictatorship. There were committees and executives and at least the appearance of some checks and balances.

        Of course all this went out the window when DM started throwing people in the Hole. The entire layer of executives is gone now. There is no succession plan.

        If he pops a clot, I’d think there’d be another coup with the most ruthless one coming out on top.

        • Absolute monarchs have never been very good at establishing a rational succession because they hold… well… absolute power.

          Giving any power over to others is a threat to them, especially if they have reason to doubt the loyalty of their minions, or are paranoid about it.

          Look what happened to Gorbachev – he thought he could ‘give’ people a little power – and ended up losing it all.

          That organisational structure would only function if it was taken seriously – which it evidently isn’t (I mean – having pre-signed, undated, letters of resignation from all of the companies officers.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        “Scientology lost a lot of members, directly and indirectly, to the
        purges after Hubbard’s death and it’s doubtful if it could survive
        another such period of turmoil (for one thing, the growing numbers of
        ‘under-the-radar’ members would likely make their move when Scientology
        was even more confused than usual).”

        It’s doubtful to me that the cherch will survive the first one. It’s just taking a long time for it to die.

      • Mockingbird

        Rational and Scientology don’t belong in the same sentence.

    • Lord of the Flies

      • TrishRan

        Dare I say, “musical chairs”?

      • LongtimeLurker

        That’s amazing. But terrible.

    • The Tom ‘n’ Marty Showโ„ข.

      • iampissed

        Tom C. Or Tommy? I just can’t Imagine Tom cruise wanting it. Talk about a
        Carrier buster.

    • As narcissistic as he is, I find it very doubtful. I’m sure he would rather that his legacy be exclusive to him rather than asking someone to continue it.

  • LeahRocks

    I hope this article doesn’t cause Shelly to be buried even deeper…..

    • LongtimeLurker

      Username checks out.

      • LeahRocks

        What does that mean?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Ah, it’s a stupid running gag from the Reddit comments, where people have elaborate usernames.

          And sometimes the names will be accidentally relevant to the topic being discussed.

          And then some knucklehead will say that.

          So say The Bunker was discussing still-in Scientology “lurkers” reading here (like some do) and I made a comment, someone could say “username checks out” because I’m called LongtimeLurker and I should know.

          So I was kind of saying you’re qualified to comment, because you think Leah rocks.

          It wasn’t very funny even if you knew all that.

          I’m normally much funnier, I promise.

          …next time…

          (cute dog in your avatar)

          • LeahRocks

            Thanks for explaining. I don’t post often, but the first time I did, someone accused be of being a troll. I am 66 and had to call my Son to ask what that meant! I will hug the dog!

            • Ann B Watson

              Hi LeahRocks, I thought I would jump in to say you and I are in the club.I have been called a troll,insensitive and when in The Sea Org long ago,The most horrible suppressive person degraded Being & Plant for the Los Angeles times that ever walked!Lol.I am 65 & I love Longtime Lurker & Tony & all you Bunker Dwellers.๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’˜โค๏ธ

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m sorry you were called a troll. That’s just the Internet, unfortunately.

              Any time you have any questions you should ask. I usually read all the comments, and if I see your question, I’ll do my best to answer it.

  • nottrue
    • TrishRan

      Taking out new credit cards in someone else’s name is beyond the felony that they did to Mary Kahn when the guy put a $1500 charge on one of her cards. This crosses the line from theft to Identity Theft. This is a different level of crime.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        I’m sure that if Mary had filed charges against the Sea Orgy staffer who’d committed the CC fraud, the cult would have, first, attempted to get her to drop the charges, then, if she refused, cut the poor staffer loose to fend for himself and, later on, go after Mary for “embarrassing the cherch” or some other nonsense.

        It’s just amazing to me that the cult is even willing to go after folks who’ve gone all the way up the bridge and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, like Mary, just for no longer being willing to spend more or donate for paper statuses. If even the biggest contributors and folks who’ve gone all the way up the bridge aren’t safe from $cn’s vulture reg tech, then no one is.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Class-action lawsuit. That would be delicious. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • TrishRan

        RICO indictments even better!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Uncle R.I.C.O. is always welcome.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Great job, Steve. Keep up the pressure!

    • Nat-leficent

      This is my fave Steve Mango video yet.

    • Draco

      Good for him. I’m glad he realized that he just needs to work at a job and drop all the “easy money” schemes.

  • Vaquera
    • Jimmy3

      You know what? I’m fucking done with OneRepublic too.

      • Vaquera

        I had to google.

        • Jimmy3

          I didn’t bother to. Knowing who or what that is will only make it harder for me to get over them

          • Vaquera

            Dating Philosophy 101

        • Princess Squishy

          I know, but the first time someone asked me if I heard of them I thought it was a clothing brand, and they told me no, that’s Banana Republic

      • Rasha

        I’ve never shopped there anyway.

        • itsIBBy

          Bananas always go bad before I can eat them all

    • LongtimeLurker

      They’re so ****ing touchy!

      “Scientology, the Donald Trump of religions.”ยฉ

      • TrishRan

        That’s an insult to Trump.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I would have thought that impossible. But you may be right.

          Someone should make them fight.

          • TrishRan

            lol

          • Princess Squishy

            cage match?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Two sociopath narcissists enter, one sociopath narcissist leaves!

            • Rasha

              How about they both go in, we close and lock the door……

              ………….

              …so, what do you guys wanna do now?

            • Well, the JWs are rather awful . . .

            • gtsix

              Why does one have to leave? let’s reboot the series and drown them both in pigshit and be done with it? We don’t need another hero.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Good plan.

            • itsIBBy

              THETANDOME! *dramatic music and arm flails*

            • Princess Squishy

              that would improve society

          • Mockingbird

            Trump and his legion of doom versus Scientology. The upper management of Trump and his evilest supporters face David Miscavige in a battle none of them survive.

            • LongtimeLurker

              “Film at 11!”

            • Mockingbird

              It will be corporate greed versus ecclesiastical speed !

            • LongtimeLurker

              Oooooh, that’s great!

        • Mockingbird

          That’s an insult to Scientology and religion.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      This OneRepublic video always reminds me of those CO$ Ideal Org fundraisers…
      https://youtu.be/hT_nvWreIhg

    • lori banister

      Dang!! I love these guys-now I have another reason to!

  • outraged

    Never ceases to amaze me how hard everyone worked – some members for decades and decades. And everything, EVERY FUCKING SERVICE was for one aim only. Further Scientology. Like a monster gathering up all the flowers in the world only to stamp them out. For what? Useless baseless cult parading around like a religion.

    • TrishRan

      And they conflate “working to further Scientology” with “cleaning up this part of the galaxy”. Like, what? A galactic version of adopt-a-highway?

  • Juicer77

    Pardon if a repost.
    Tip of the hat to Our Proprietor. Jezebel article re: today’s story. http://jezebel.com/report-shelly-miscavige-has-been-spotted-near-scientol-1790154755

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’ve had friends messaging me about that article today–and these are people who used to side-eye my interest in following the cult’s antics (and impending demise). This is the immediate effect of Leah Remini’s show and PR campaign. She has shaken a lot of people awake to what’s going on. Well, more to the point: she has shown them why they should care about it.

      • Draco

        Which is why I love what she is doing. She is giving a stronger voice to all those people who have been speaking out for years. Now people are hearing them. She is using her celebrity for good.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          She absolutely is. I seriously have to keep pinching myself. What Leah’s doing is like a dream come true. This is exactly what’s been needed–someone with the inside knowledge and the PR power to lend credibility and gravitas to the stories that have already been out there. And to embolden others to join the chorus. We’ve needed a rallying figure, basically, and I am so excited that Leah’s stepped up to be that person. She’s been impressive. It’s a new era!

      • Rita G

        Don’t you love it? I’ve had the same thing happen to me. Friends are messaging me about it and asking questions. My husband is finally understanding what I’ve been yammering on about the last six years or so. He got pretty teary when Mary Kahn and Mike Rinder broke down on episode three of Leah’s show. Leah’s show is making a difference for sure!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I am finally becoming popular at dinner parties, let me tell ya. ; )

  • Nora’s vid now have 3,189 views – steady climbing, but fast. keep (share if you care)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-lkYwv-nHQ

    • Princess Squishy

      tweeted

  • Tony Ortega

    My favorite thing about Lois Reidorf’s latest piece is that she personally read a letter by Mary Sue Hubbard in 1979 asking her husband whether she’d catch other people’s body thetans if she went to see a movie in a theater.

    This is good stuff, largely confirming what we’ve already seen in Russell Miller, Jon Atack, etc. But I wince every time she says Hubbard had “moved off management lines” at this time. I’m checking with some others at that time who said that was what Hubbard wanted people to think, but he was actually still running things while in hiding.

    • flyonthewall

      well…can you? I am planning on seeing Rogue One when it comes out and I don’t want to have to worry about catching someone’s BT’s

      • gtsix

        Use the force young padawan.

      • Newiga

        BTs are scared of SPs and flies. So you are safe. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • flyonthewall

          phew!

        • TrishRan

          If BTs are afraid of SPs, wouldn’t going SP be a quicker & cheaper way to get rid of BTs, compared to the time & money it takes to get rid of them via Scientology?

          It keeps getting more confusing.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Wha…b…fff…?

      I know this isn’t the point, but by 79, how did she not know the answer to that?

      Or is this the point?

      • flyonthewall

        it’s one of the finer points of Scientology theology. Like, how many angels can fit on the head of a needle? Or how many steps can you take on the Sabbath before it’s not kosher? Stuff like that

        • LongtimeLurker

          Wow, you know a lot about conpalliative religiousity.

    • Richard

      When I was growing up in England in the 1960s, my local cinema was named ‘The Flea Pit’.

      Now, having learnt about Mary Sue’s remarkable insight, I am beginning to wonder whether my local cinema wasn’t actually contaminated with fleas at all, and instead, it should have been named ‘The BT Pit’.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      You know, when one of my BTs packs its bags and tells me it’s time to move on, i always recommend they go see DM. He’s one of the more interesting thetans around and could use their help. If they really want to move up in the tone scale, He’s the one. I’m just all apathy and below. At least they’d get to bask in the glow of active delusions and homicidal pathology. Much more exciting than me. They probably only bother his asthma just a little.

    • Draco

      It will be interesting to see what your sources said about that time. From my perspective, as staff in an org at that time, it certainly felt as though some big change had happened in the early 80s. There were a group of us who were pretty convinced Hubbard was no longer running things. Lois has often mentioned his ill health – it is a possibility that he was no longer able to run things. Life on staff started getting quite harsh at that time with totally unrealistic programmes being sent down from international management and compliance was demanded in no uncertain terms. We had to do some pretty fancy footwork to make it appear we were taking the programmes seriously, while we just carried on doing what we thought was the right thing to do. Which was to deliver scn auditing and training.

    • Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)

      Hi Tony, my next episode will go into LRHs involvement more. He went off for awhile maybe like 1 year but just before we got kicked out, he was then asking for info on the international stats etc. and from what I have heard from others he did stay back on the lines for a few more years. Maybe not so heavily as before but to some extent. But he definitely did start asking again about what was happening from mid-82 onwards. But his involvement was way more “secret” than earlier. Now that the legal scene was hot, it was through WDC. So it will be covered in next episode.

    • Sherbet

      I wince at comments to Reisdorf’s story like the one below. Sorry, I just have a hard time with exes who continue to blame it all on Miscavige when it’s been documented maybe thousands of times that Hubbard was a liar, conman, fraud, degenerate, narcissist, thief, and, psychologically speaking, a total loon.

      penny says

      Thanks Lois for your account. For someone who wants to see the tech up and running again the way it was meant to be, I do believe it is important to clarify where and how the whole thing fell off a cliff.

      • Mockingbird

        Faith can overcome reason. It does every day.

        • Sherbet

          I know, and I have faith, so I suppose I’m guilty, too, of checking my reason at the door. However, I recognize big holes in logic, big crimes, and big pricetags on salvation. Still, you’re right, and I shouldn’t be so judgmental.

          • Mockingbird

            I was not trying to accuse you. I just really try to broaden the “Scientologists are gullible” claim to humans are imperfect as rational creatures. No one was supposed to get hurt.

            • Sherbet

              I didn’t take it as an accusation, Mockingbird. I was trying to be honest about myself, and your statement about faith overcoming reason rang true to me.

    • Mockingbird

      I don’t want to catch thetans ! Oh boy. True Believer extraordinaire.

  • J. Swift

    In Nov 2007, I got a text message about Shelly Miscavige from someone I didn’t know. I posted it at xenu.net. This is a FWIW and shows that more than a few blown Sea Org knew that Shelly had been banished and locked up. Back in 2007, the Cult was leaking faster than the Titanic. Marc Headley was out in front leading along with John Peeler and Little Bear Victor. http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24236&hilit=Shelly+deal

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/943d0293071fdc52336a8abc0f0b1df4a6ec00389fb8822bba43d29900674e3d.png

    • J. Swift

      While Mary Sue Hubbard was “taken care of for life” after she was sent into exile by LRH, “taken care of for life” meant living under house arrest in Los Feliz with Neville Potter and a few other people as her handler.

      If Shelly is frail, then it reminds me of Annie Tidman. She was kept locked away, smoked heavily, was frail, and died too young of lung cancer at age 55.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Oh, Annie’s story–Lord, that’s a sad one. I mean, they all are, but that one really hit me. She was almost free…Man, it just kills me. One of the many sins dear Marty may never atone for. And I guess I should take back my sympathy for Travolta, given that it was his plane they used to drag Annie back.

        This fucking cult…

  • Nat-leficent

    I like how the A&E show is encouraging other exes to be so honest and unashamed about their time in CoS.
    Edit: Sorry vid repost

  • madame duran
  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    In happier news, sales of the Scientology Super Purification Colon Cleanser are up 47x. Buy and use this product today for optimal movements during the holidays.

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/scientology-colon-blow.png?w=660

    • LongtimeLurker

      I’m pleased you included the traditional Scientology spelling floof goof, your COBness.

      • Rasha

        …what’s speled correctly for you……..

    • flyonthewall

      al-Mi’raj? What does Archangel Gabriel taking Prophet Muhammed to Heaven have to do with pooping gooder??

      • Nat-leficent

        ^^^^

      • it’s a virgin thing. you wouldn’t understand. and buttholes.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I’m upvoting this primarily because it’s a great comment to read out of context. And because buttholes.

      • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/940af914d123f22a81f5af8eaaf905122828496b983b50cd1629f6ee17e7c55e.jpg What .would the lampseller of Baghdad have to do with Mr. Edison’s most famous invention?

        • Missionary Kid

          Mazda was the brand of bulbs that Edison sold, and a lamp seller would provide light, too, wouldn’t they?

          • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

            “Hark, the herald angels sing
            Beecham’s pills are just the thing
            Peace on Earth and mercy mild
            Two for the man, one for the child.”

            • Missionary Kid

              I used to have a working Mazda light bulb. I don’t know where it is.

            • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

              From “The Symposium of the Gorgon”, by Clark Ashton Smith:

              Beside Medusa stood a beautiful winged white horse, dabbled from hoofs to mane with the blood that still ran from the fallen monster’s neck. I knew that it must be Pegasus, born of her decapitation according to myth.

              Pegasus pranced lightly toward me, neighing in excellent Greek:

              “We must go. The decrees of the gods have been fulfilled. I see that you are a stranger from another time and space. I will take you wherever you wish to go, or as near to it as possible.”

              Pegasus kneeled and I mounted him bareback, since he had been born without saddle or reins.

              “Cling tightly to my mane. I will not unhorse you,” he promised, “whatever the speed or altitude of our journey.”

              He trotted out through the doorway, spread his shin-ing wings on an orient dawn, and took off toward the reddening cirrus clouds. I turned my head a little later. An ocean lay behind us, far down, with raging bil-lows turned to mere ripples by distance. The lands of morning gleamed before us.

              “To what period of time, and what region?” asked Pegasus above the rhythmic drumming of his wings.

              “I came from a country known as America, in the 20th century,” I replied, raising my voice to reach his ears through the thunder.

              Pegasus bridled and almost stopped in mid-flight. –

              “My prophetic insight forbids me to oblige you. I cannot visit the century, and, in particular, the country, that you name. Any poets who are born there- must do without me-must hoist themselves to inspiration by their own bootstraps, rather than by the steed of the Muses. If I ventured to land there, I should be im-pounded at once and my wings clipped. Later they would sell me for horse meat.”

              “You underrate their commercial acumen,” I said. “They’d put you in a side-show and charge a stiff en-trance fee. You’re well known, in a way. Your name and picture are on sideboards at many gas-stations. A synonym for speed if nothing else.

              “Anyway, there is little inducement for me to re-turn. I have been trying to drink myself out of it for years and decades. Why end up, as I will sooner or later, at the highly expensive mercy of doctors, hospitals and undertakers?”

              http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/206/symposium-of-the-gorgon

    • Rasha

      “Do you suffer from Rock Slamsยฎ? Let us deal with your Smellicolons! Use Flow Zeroยฎ for those “special” Dynamics!”

    • Mockingbird

      Finally with all the talk of space opera proof in Uranus. Scientology and Hubbard certainly are at that level of spiritual awareness.

    • Mockingbird

      This is what they mean by stuck flows. I always had that wrong.

      • Sherbet

        It also gives new meaning to the term “blowing charge.”

  • Phatpharm

    The sad thing about Shelly is that unless family is going to fight for her wellbeing she may be prisoner longer. She sounds beat down and brainwashed even further and DM is still technically her husband. It sounds like Scientology has the law enforcement in their hands and the person that shared this story is probably in for more harassment. The leaders have to know who is talking because they aleady have eyes on the family. It sounds like Shelly may become another sad causality of this cult. It breaks my heart.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    As Draco and 5 Feet Long and Luminous were discussing downthread…

    All this attention, not just from viewers of Leah’s show, but all the social media stuff, is finally a vindication for all of us.

    All those mouthy ****ing “significant others” and Rondamn “friends” who once side-eyed and mocked us!

    Now who’s got a weird interest?!?

    NOW WHO’S INSANE?!?!?!

    • itsIBBy

      still us? I’m just saying..

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yes.

    • Nat-leficent

      Ummm, the screaming doesn’t help your case XD

    • Rasha

      You left out MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA(snort)HAHAHA!!!!!!!

    • iampissed

      A little venting isn’t a bad thing at times…I hear ya brother.

    • flyonthewall
      • April

        That scene where his own hand is trying to kill him has me in stitches laughing every time. Not this bloody part though.

        • flyonthewall

          eep eep eep!

    • iampissed

      Hey Lurker are wombats smart like dogs

      • LongtimeLurker

        Harder to train, but yes, in that ballpark. That’s just anecdotal, because there haven’t been many studies done as far as I know.

        This seems pretty smart, (don’t know if I showed you this gif or not) this is a little guy who decided that he didn’t want his wom-bed, he preferred something more like the burrow they have in the wild, so he found, and appropriated… well… look at the gif…

        F5
        http://i.imgur.com/jrZC90K.gif

        • TrishRan

          So cute, but a cat is enough chaos for me

          • LongtimeLurker

            They sleep a LOT. If that helps. (Athough it’s illegal to own them as pets unless you’ve got a carers-license thingy that I always forget the name of)

            • TrishRan

              So do cats – 14 hours day on average. In my house, the other 10 hours are catty-wumpus!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          But did he fold the laundry, too? Because then I’d be impressed.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Nope. That damn laundry was just in his way.

            It does look like he’s doing it tho’ right?

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              If wombats could be trained to fold fitted bed sheets, I’d hire an army of them.

            • MarcabExpat

              A cat would have figured out a way to burrow and keep the linens in there to line the burrow, but then, a wombat is less likely to accidentally get ‘dried’ along with said linens.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yes. It might break the dryer.

        • gtsix

          Mine!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yes, that is the one reserved for you.

            • MarcabExpat

              Do they have wombat petting zoos down there? And are the owners of those zoos millionaires?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sort of.

              And you’d think, right? But we’re a pretty blasรฉ lot.

              Not me so much, obviously.

        • MarcabExpat

          omigawd. If I ever meet one of these in the flesh I am truly doomed.

          • Draco

            Yup – me too. Those short little legs are just too ridonkulously cute for words!

          • LongtimeLurker

            But in a good way.

        • iampissed

          That is SO COOL and warm I bet. I think that maybe one of the dest yet.
          I’d say that pretty smart.

    • Draco

      Many times I wanted to just leave the Bunker and forget about scn. The main reason I have stayed here opening my big yap, was because of what scn and DM in particular has done to families. Now so many more people are hearing the truth, and I think Leah and A&E have been very clever about broadcasting and putting on display scn’s letters and reactions to the shows. It shows just how crazy scn is. DM has not figured out that non-scilons don’t think the way he does. They will see just how creepy all that shit is, and it actually helps to confirm what Leah and those telling their stories are saying.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Right! He / they can’t seem to get the “wog” mindset.

        It’s like Marty’s reaction in My Scientology Movie when no one is impressed by the e-meter.

        It’s something most of the rest of the world understands instinctually (instinctively?) “Okay Lurker, no need to show that new friend your working Lego Batcave immediately.”

        • Draco

          I still haven’t seen My Scientology Movie!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Nor I, I just read about that part here.

            shhhh, don’t tell anyone.

            You got $30? I could mail you the DVD.

            โ€ฆor we could do that other thing…

      • Harpoona Frittata

        One of the real difficulties with being a semi-literate tyrant who no one will disagree with is that you get can get a very skewed view of reality and of how others outside the bubble are interpreting your actions.

        It’s very hard for me to see how anyone would imagine that all of these cookie-cutter “Who Is So and So” smear websites would be convincing even to fellow $cilons. They’re so poorly done and so obviously intended to deflect attention away from the serious allegations being made through character assassination that you just have to wonder what’s going on in davey’s pea brain.

        Does he really believe that this sort of crap is being effective? Or is he just yelling and screaming at people to do something about it and this is the best they could do? We need someone on the inside to blow and tell all! I’m sure it would be an amusing and revealing story.

        • PickAnotherID

          “…you get can get a very skewed view of reality…”

          DM’s view is so skewed it makes Fun House mirror reflections look normal.

        • Draco

          That would be so interesting!

        • MarcabExpat

          Right? the only thing those sites are good for is somebody’s “effective blow” stats.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            They suck alright, that’s for sure ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • LongtimeLurker

        btw, I’m glad you didn’t leave.

        • Sherbet

          Me, too. I love having exes (who don’t preach hubbardism) in the Bunker.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I haven’t seen a Hubbardian in a while (or I missed them if we’ve had any recently).

            • Sherbet

              Me, neither. Or a really bad troll. I hope I didn’t jinx us by saying that.

            • Draco

              Be afraid – every time one of us says that – guess who comes to gate crash the Bunker?!

            • Sherbet

              You can blame me.

            • LongtimeLurker
            • Draco

              You see a few of them on Mike’s blog. I think they know better than trying to push their agenda here…

            • Draco

              You see a few of them on Mike’s blog. I think they know better than trying to push their agenda here…

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah. I often don’t read the comments there.

          • Draco

            Oh Lord, no. I was done with him very quickly. And unlike a lot of exes, I won’t even credit the lower end of the “bridge” as having some use. After discovering his occult involvement, I don’t trust anything that came out of his mind. I am pretty sure, even the stuff that looks harmless, has harm hidden in it.

            • Sherbet

              I really don’t have the right to set guidelines for exes, UTRs, ins, outs, or in between, but I, personally, don’t like to hear pro-Hubbard rhetoric. The Internet puts the lie to his fraud, and it stings when an ex won’t acknowledge his faults.

            • Draco

              Agreed. All that talk about don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater makes me want to scream.
              THERE IS NO FUCKING BABY IN THE BATHWATER!!!!

            • Sherbet

              I think I love you, Draco!

            • Draco

              Love you too, Sherb xxx

        • Draco

          Me too ๐Ÿ™‚

    • I decided a long time ago that I could either worry unnecessarily about
      what some people might think or study whatever interested me and sod ’em.

      So? I’m weird. Deal with it.

      Besides, there are going to be a lot of people who, after spotting an approaching bandwagon are going to jump on, claim to have had a lifelong interest, and get it all amusingly wrong (e.g. did you know that Scientologists worship rabbits?).

      • LongtimeLurker

        I don’t really feel like my comment. I learnt pretty quickly to keep quiet.

        Although a friend’s partner did ask me some questions after the first episode of Leah, and I had to make a conscious effort to rein myself in.

        Yep, I’m odd, deal with it. That’s my attitude.

        • daisy

          That is why I like the bunker so much. Odd is the norm. I remember saying – I have found my people.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I remember you saying that.

            xoxo

          • Draco

            That’s how I feel about the Bunker too ๐Ÿ™‚
            As I said to babyDraco – this place has just the right proportion of empathy and snark!

        • I don’t. I make it clear that if you set me off on this subject you might regret it. The result is that friends use me as an inquiry service about ideas they’re not sure about.

          I recently had a long discussion with the head of an organisation that I was sent to ‘train’ with about the suitability of a lecture about neuro-linguistic programming. As a result, he’s knocking it on the head.

          As long as you sound like you know what you’re talking about, don’t come over as a zealot, and stick to facts that can be referenced, you can have an influence.

          An interest in the weird can make you seem weird by association, but it’s up to you to reveal the method in your madness.

      • kemist

        Ehehe…

        “Weird” is the best descriptor for me, in many aspects. Started as a child – because I’m hypermobile (unnaturally flexible), I could do a lot of things which other kids found both fascinating and disgusting.

        As I grew up I started to own it.Yep, I’m a full blown weirdo. My body does weird things and I get fascinated by unusual stuff.

        You don’t like it, you go your way, I’ll go mine.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Until a couple of years ago I could put both feet behind my neck.

          Interesting.

          • kemist

            I can crack my cervical vertebrae with the back of my head (I can’t go further back not because of lack of flexibility but literally because my cranium is touching my back).

            Dislocated shoulder and put it back on my own. Same with jaw and an ankle (yep, my ankles dislocate instead of breaking. Pretty neat, uh ?). I can lock all my fingers.

            • LongtimeLurker

              ****in’ ouch.

        • I knew someone who was hyper-extensive and trained Tae Kwon Do.

          Her high kicks were a wonder to behold, even to the person who trained her, who freely admitted that she could do things that the founders simply didn’t consider possible.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hey Once, can you give me the link to your site email page again, please?

        I have too many tabs open and can’t find which one I have yours in to remind me to actually email (instead of just copying it into my email straight away like a normal person would).

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Mostly, people have just asked…why? Why do you care if neither you nor your family or friends was ever involved or directly affected? And it’s been hard to explain that once you get a peek behind the curtain and see the horrors that go on, it’s hard not to care.

      I think it was Obs who told me once that her response to “why do you care?” is “how could you not?” And I think that’s absolutely it in a nutshell. And now, people are understanding that in a way they didn’t before.

      • Draco

        ^^^^^And we are thankful all of you never-ins have added your voices. Thank you.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I am in constant awe of the bravery of exes who speak out, in media large–like Leah’s show–and small–like this here little blog on the fringes of the internet. Hugs to you, dear Dragon!

          • LongtimeLurker

            I absolutely know I wouldn’t have the guts if I were an ex.

            I wouldn’t be on here or over at ESMB, and I certainly wouldn’t be on TV.

            The exes are amazing.

        • LongtimeLurker

          (((Huggity-hug-hugs)))

        • daisy

          xoxoxo sweet dragon. We are inspired by the grace of the exes.

      • TrishRan

        I care as a human being that people are being subjected to unnecessary suffering.

        I care as a citizen when an organization (not just COS, but also, for example, FLDS, take over secular government of towns like Clearwater or Short Creek/Colorado City) and use the trappings of secular government to restrain citizens who should be as free as I am.

        I care as a person who respects science and material reality when people are convinced to believe a lot of untrue things.

        I care as a taxpayer that so many billions of dollars in tax revenue were diverted.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Very well said, Trish.

          • TrishRan

            Thank you.

        • LongtimeLurker

          **** yeah Trish.

      • TexasBroad

        I’m stealing Obs answer. Now I just need a good one for —Why do you have 375 Santa Clauses?

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Because.;)

          • Graham

            Good Answer.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I’m afraid you’re on your own with that one, sweet pea! ; )

        • Sherbet

          “Who doesn’t?”

        • Nat-leficent

          He’s red and cheery! Who wouldn’t want that in abundance?!

        • “someone stole the other 9x … i’m keeping one eye on that SonofaGrinch, too”

        • LongtimeLurker

          It’s the same answer Texas.

        • Vaquera

          And I thought 75 was too many! Do you display the lot of them every year? Last year I put mine all over the living room. My 12 year old niece freaked out and wouldn’t go in there until I’d winnowed it down to a dozen. This year I lent them to this little New England hamlet’s historical society. I get to enjoy them without all the fuss and bother. Color me happy.

          • TexasBroad

            I usually do pull them all out every year, but haven’t yet this year. For one thing, I’m just having a crazy, insane, busy time right now and haven’t gotten to anything holiday related yet, but mainly — I adopted a beautiful, curious, VERY active cat in February. I may never get to put them out again!

            • Draco

              Aw… let the kitty play with them.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Last year I had a long conversation with a fucking idiot (excuse me) on some entertainment site.

        He didn’t understand why I’d bother posting responses to Scientologist comments for an hour or so.

        He asked me how much Scientology took me for and how long I was in.

        I told him I was a never in.

        He didn’t believe me.

        He literally could not grasp that someone might care about bad things that don’t directly affect them. Fucking unempathic bastard (excuse me).

        Scientology isn’t the only thing I get worked up about. In fact most of the things that bother me, I’ve never experienced and likely will never experience.

        Yep “How could you not?” spot on.

    • I’ve had a couple of people who used to give me the ol’ side-eye back in the 90s and 00s when I would talk about Scientology come and tell me “Hey, you were right!” The four sweetest words to hear if you’re a longtime Scientology Critic.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Followed by “Ow, stop punching me, I said you were right.”

        No? That’s just me?

      • Unex Skcus

        My sister happened to mention a year ago that as a sci-fi fan she’d read some stories by a “Hubbard”. Her face was priceless, when I told her he was the Co$ cult leader.

        Mind you, in Aus, probably not many people know anything much about Co$.

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      Heh.

  • Shelly certainly has more non-Scientologists concerned about her than Scientologists.

    • April

      Mark Foster said downthread that he didn’t even know who Shelley was until he left the CO$.

      • Draco

        Same here. Shelley might have attended events and things in the states, but I had no idea if he was married or not. She certainly never featured in any of the events I attended. That I remember, anyway.

        • DoveAlexa

          That is so weird. I don’t get surprised by COS much anymore but that does surprise me.

        • LongtimeLurker

          That’s like not having access to what the Pope’s real name is.

    • Unex Skcus

      I suspect that every Scientologist “certainly has more non-Scientologists concerned about [him/her] than Scientologists.”

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Mirror, mirror, on the wall,
    who’s the rarest of them all?”

    Shelly?

    Agent 0047,
    Conned, Dave Conned

    Licensed to Shill

    Formerly Star Of
    Dr.? No!
    Rushing From Love
    Gold Flinger
    Blunder Balls

    Now, in this mega-production:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc811db8b5d1664e55b179991f2df1aae3c07592db104b5e2c7827cf516ac6b6.jpg

    • Nat-leficent

      Good shoop

    • LongtimeLurker

      It’s an ongoing series? Fantastic!

  • PickAnotherID

    Saw this on a “Mythbusters” rerun, and figured it’d give the ‘OSA watchers’ an idea of what we’re talking about when we mention, “$cientology imploding”. You don’t want to be inside when it happens. (f5)

    http://giant.gfycat.com/HospitableConcreteAtlanticridleyturtle.gif

    • LongtimeLurker

      Science!

    • DoveAlexa

      And just like the cans and cartons I try to crush for the recycling, the ends are always invincible.

  • beauty for ashes

    Does Shelly have any non scientology family? Just making some Christmas wishes. I’m sure Leah would gladly take her in. And her family would embrace her and protect her too.
    No body deserves to be David Miscavige’s wife, and be treated like this, I don’t care what kind of bitch bossy person she ever was before, that’s just not right. It’s beyond, but David has a true taste for inflicting pain and humiliation, especially to those he loves.
    Blech! Quick someone pour some vodka down my throat I need disinfecting!

    • Nat-leficent
      • Sherbet

        Awesome, Nat!

        • Nat-leficent

          None of those Disney heroines have moms!

          • Sherbet

            What a strange view of “normal” Disney provides. The whole princess thing is bad enough.

            • Nat-leficent

              The kids that had it shoved down their throats are doing okay though. Millennials make a ton of jokes about Disney princess tropes online. Gives me hope for human ability to endure attempts at corporate brainwashing ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Sherbet

              Yes, until you visit Disney World and see hundreds of little girls in princess costumes.

            • Kim O’Brien

              .I bypassed all those movies for my kid . I took her to see Horton Hears a Who when she was like 4 …and a few days later , out of the blue …she says ” you know what i think momma ? i think we are all just a speck on someone else’s flower “

            • beauty for ashes

              How did you not smoosh her ? AAAAGH that is tooo adorable!

            • Kim O’Brien

              we called her baby buddha for a while LOL

            • Nat-leficent

              My sister and I loved Disney movies but we also read books so our intellects are fairly unscathed I think.

            • Kim O’Brien

              I am laughing when i think of my two favorites when i was a kid …i am sensing a theme hahaha

              Nancy Drew ( dead mom )
              Secret Garden ( dead mom )

            • Sherbet

              Psycho (spoiler alert…)

            • flyonthewall

              Our kids were brought up on Pixar. They’ve seen the old Disney movies, we have them all, but they don’t care for them a bit.

              The story telling/character development in the old Disney movies are kinda crappy if you really look at them. It’s very formulaic and shallow. I like the animation style though

          • Kim O’Brien

            they always kill the mom . i remember my very first time in a movie theater …it was Bambi and I totally freaked out when Bambi’s mom was shot . My mom had to take me home . I still cannot watch it . Please tell me that Bambi grows up and stomps the hunter to death and then goes on a killing rampage

            • Nat-leficent

              SNL actually did a skit of Bambi getting revenge Lol.

            • beauty for ashes

              Claymation? or regular animation. just trying to jog my memory. Was it TV fun House?

            • Nat-leficent

              Live action starring The Rock I think

            • LongtimeLurker

              That first time as a kid you see Bambi…

              What the hell was Disney thinking?

            • Kim O’Brien

              the next time was when my so called father took me to opening day of Jaws . I do not swim in the ocean …ever. Like …ever . Ever .

            • flyonthewall

              i also have a so called father but he took me to see The Howling as a 6 yr old. I screamed until I passed out for the rest of the movie.

            • Kim O’Brien

              does that mean he just let you freak out and then watched the rest of the movie ? our so called fathers might be on the same bowling team

            • Nat-leficent

              The “I do what I want” team?

            • flyonthewall

              Yep. That eventually caught up with him though. Last time we spoke was 3yrs ago

            • Kim O’Brien

              been almost 15 for mine . before that ….another 7 …there was one point in my early 20’s , when i was living in Boulder and I was his waitress . I walked away from getting his drink order and thought …” i think that is my father ” . Then i gave the table away .

              good times

            • flyonthewall

              he did indeed stay for the rest of the movie. I woke up right at the end, remember a sunset and people on horses, that’s it. Terror and screaming then a sunset and credits

            • Kim O’Brien

              next time we see each other …how bout we all just take the kids to the morgue ? we can make a day out of it

              ugh

            • iampissed

              I saw the graduate when I was about 13. I think my mom messed up on the matinee.

            • flyonthewall

              o.O smh, lol

            • gtsix

              So the first movie my mother took me to was Yentl and I loved it. A girl who dressed like a boy to get what she wants. Poor mom didn’t know how liberating that was for me to see.

            • Kim O’Brien

              that is a way better movie story ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • gtsix

              Indeed. A parent unwittingly helping their child adjust to growing up (I was 9 or 10 at the time). And a lifetime adoration of Mandy Patinkin.

              Sadly, I’ve never told her about it. She’d not take it well.

            • LongtimeLurker

              ikr? I was 13? ish. That was it for me for almost 30 years.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s a prime example of emotion controlling a person over knowledge or reason.

            • Sherbet

              That’s the sequel. You got it!

            • iampissed

              My wife was going thought breast cancer and wanted to have pictures taken before her hair was going to be cut really short. When we went to sears to get it done they were playing
              Disneys Up. Needless to say I couldn’t be in the room for that. If you remember the opening
              Of the movie…just could not do it.

            • Sherbet

              Oh, hugs.

            • beauty for ashes

              OMG. Why do things like that happen? Talk about a stab in the heart! I don’t know why but I do notice things like that happening, it’s probably just coincidence.

            • iampissed

              The rest of the world just can’t know what your going thru…and let’s face it if you
              Went around telling everyone what’s up. No body would want to be around you.
              We all have something…if we shared all the time the world would only be in tears.
              IMHO

            • beauty for ashes

              I remember when I was in high school my friend took me to her youth group and they showed a film about guess what, a girl dying of cancer! This was when my mom had breast/lymph cancer, and was still in treatment. I laid on that carpet and cried out of one eye the whole time so no one would see. I think it’s made me more willing to walk in someone else’s rain with them, you know?

            • Sherbet

              My dad had just passed away from cancer, and a friend and I went to see some uplifting movie and it was sold out. So we went to a different movie at the cineplex. It had Meryl Streep in it, so we thought it would be good. Yeah, “One True Thing,” where Streep’s character is dying of cancer. I blubbered through the whole thing.

            • beauty for ashes

              Aww shit Sherbs, exactly! Lemme give you (((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))

            • Kim O’Brien

              oh ouch . ugh

            • iampissed

              Yea luckily they were past the mom death part…but the movie ended and if it had replayed
              I told my wife I would be outside of the lobby

            • gtsix

              Yes, that is exactly what happens.

            • JJ

              Noticed that Disney theme years ago…Ya just watch and wait to see the mother die, disappear or just never be there from the start. Partly it is to further the plot, like these things wouldn’t have happened had Mother been alive… partly it is to get older women out of sight. You see it over and over, beautiful, nubile (Princess) females as protagonist, older, less attractive women thwarting their attempts at whatever… You notice they often have a doting or befuddled “Daddy” character in there somewhere. You almost always end up with and older male character and younger female character interacting and almost never the other way around. Every movie can’t be Lolita.
              You see that in a lot of commercials too. Ever notice how when the mother in law comes to live with, it is treated like a blow of unimaginable misery, but an old man is welcomed with open arms, “thanks for making a place for my dad.” commercials far out pace the glad to make room for your mom commercials. Something cute about taking care of an old man, but somehow, an old woman is an offense to society, something to be kept out of sight. Memories of the old dear are fine, but in the flesh…

            • Missionary Kid
          • iampissed

            Did you know that one of The reasons for that maybe was when Walt was just starting to
            do well he bought a house for his mother and father. There was some kind of problem
            with gas or a heater problem. Walt sent some guys out from the studio and they fixed it.
            Well they didn’t do it right and some neighbors pulled them both out. His dad was still
            alive but his mother did not survive. That could be where that started, Sad.

          • stillgrace2

            Disney movies also tend to put stupid human eyebrows on their depictions of horses.
            Walt!! Horses don’t have eyebrows!
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/228c14ee24dc787ef8e836e34c6698b048ef0b436284df05cf8f502ea9503203.jpg

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’ve heard she has a sister but not quite sure if she’s a clam or not. Heard at one point ex-mormon, Heber had numerous relatives they were trying to get to file a missing persons report on him. I don’t know if it is true or what became of it. Shelly’s Mom is dead from a rather strange, to say the least, suicide. Guess Shelly was seen laughing and joking around at her funeral with b.m.
      Edit: Some journalist picked up the story about Shelly’s Mum. Worth a read.
      http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-strange-death-of-flo-barnett-mother-in-law-to-scientology-leader-david-miscavige-6667918

  • Observer

    Deleted because I am apparently years behind the times.

    • Sherbet

      And Bernard Fox yesterday.

    • Vaquera

      I enjoyed his characters, but to bruise and bloody your 70 year old spouse…lost my respect.

      • Sherbet

        I remember that. I chalked it up to dementia at the time, but I don’t know.

        • Vaquera

          I doubt the court would have required him to complete a six-month counseling program for domestic violence and anger management if that was the case. IDK.

          • Sherbet

            You’re right. Look up thread. Morgan died already. Only one death to a customer.

            • Vaquera

              Ha! Are we playing the game Dead or Alive?

            • Sherbet

              I’m afraid to do that in 2016.

      • Observer

        ?? I never heard about that!

    • Sherbet

      Wait a minute. He died 5 years ago.

      • Observer

        Oh dear Xenu.

        • Sherbet

          Are you using your old computer, Observer? The one that runs on kerosene?

          • Observer

            iPad. And wiener dogs on my lap. I blame them.

            • Sherbet

              Does this mean we can’t go to the funeral?

            • Observer

              Unless you can come up with a TARDIS, yes

            • Sherbet

              ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Draco

          Born: April 10, 1915, Detroit, Michigan, United States
          Died: December 7, 2011, Los Angeles, California, United States

      • Draco

        Actually 6 years ago..

        • Sherbet

          5. Wanna fight about it?

          • Observer

            Man, I’m behind on everything.

            • Sherbet

              BTW, Lindbergh made it to France.

            • Observer

              You have, as Dr. Venture would say, a sassmouth.

            • Sherbet

              Does it show if I wear my hair long?

            • Observer

              Your sassmouth would show on Cousin Itt.

            • Sherbet

              You win.

          • Draco

            No – you are right! It’s 1:26am here – my math brain went to sleep 2 hours ago ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Sherbet

              Go to bed, girl!

          • Vaquera

            The one who wears Leah’s nails wins!

            • Sherbet

              Eeep!

        • Observer

          Five. :-p

      • Vaquera
    • Sherbet

      Have you heard about Professor Plum? Yes, in the library with the candlestick. Sad.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    O/T but my Mum would visit a friend of her’s in prison in California once a year. I think it was in the late 90’s she went to visit they’d outlawed hair color. All of a sudden the majority of prisoners were gray. It doesn’t seem like Shelly must have a colorists like her little weasel of a husband. Also, does anyone know if the L.A. police are required to answer in detail Leah’s request for more detailed info on Shelly?

  • Observer
    • Sherbet

      Is Putin wearing a wig again?

      • Observer

        It’s Buff Bob Ross.

        • Sherbet

          “Top this, Thomas Kincaide.”

          (And, yes, I know they’re both dead.)

    • flyonthewall

      stealin it!

      flylady loves this guy

    • beauty for ashes

      look at all the happy trees! lol

    • Kim O’Brien

      pretty sure this is my new facebook post . just saying

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      “And we’ll just put a happy cloud over here. And how about another happy cloud over there.”

    • Mymy88

      lol My mom loved him so. They have his old shows on Netfix.

    • iampissed

      You I wonder about you sometimes…in a good way.

      • Observer

        You aren’t the first, you won’t be the last

        • iampissed

          True nuf.

    • beauty for ashes

      He was totally my hero as a little girl, and even lovelier was his lack of bravado, his gentleness, his peacefulness. And his emphasis on lack of judgement on yourself and your work. I learned more from him about painting than I ever did from school. Also famous painter Kris Lewis, who is my absolute favorite modern painter alive, learned to paint from a Bob Ross kit. http://krislewisart.com/ f5
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9e4b9c9bc2299347cdcbe3b46d3c5997d3ace932962309e22fbd8bb4f240e6a3.jpg

      • Observer

        Wow!

        • beauty for ashes

          Oh you have to look him up. I fell in love with his work. Gorgeous.

      • I’m so glad you shared that.

    • UhLasare

      My kids and I love Bob Ross – they (9 and 5) ask to watch his videos quite frequently. We cuddle up and watch, mesmerized by his painting, his voice, his personality. He was a good one.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Observer

      That Santa’s bag isn’t full of presents. It’s full of wallets he’s pickpocketed.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        The CO$ Santa definitely has sticky fingers and it ain’t from handing out candy canes!

    • Sunny
    • Phil Jones

      “Sorry sonny, you can’t have a train set. We’re not allowed to promise those. Something about Ron and Venus. How about a nice Way to Happiness booklet?”

    • TexasBroad

      They see you when you’re sleeping
      They know when you’re awake
      They know if you’ve been bad or good…

      Get out of there for F^%$%^&’s sake!

  • Hierophant2

    Remember to tell the @lapd and its chief, @LAPDChiefBeck , how you feel about these developments, especially their ongoing refusal to release information we’re legally owed.

  • Jon S

    Just watching Leah’s third episode. So many moving moments, but the real thing that got to me was when you hear someone sobbing and realise it’s Mike Rinder. He’s done so much to put a brave face on his own situation and remain stoic about things. Wow. Just wow.

    • beauty for ashes

      l have yet to see it, and i’ll be sure to get the big box of good tissues ready. Everyone seems very moved, and be I cry at everything so I’m sure I’ll be a mess. Man I wish I didn’t have to watch these alone!

      • Jon S

        It’s very powerful. Gosh. I’m still dabbing the tears away myself.

      • MarcabExpat

        Get ready. It’s gut-wrenching. I watched it alone last night and was glad there was no one around to hear me bawl.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      When a loved one dies there is a grieving process that we must all go through, but how do you go about grieving for someone who has disconnected from you? The pain must be intolerable.

      • iampissed

        Unless they don’t tell you…..your a big theaten why would you need to know.

    • Ann B Watson

      Mike and his Christie and their boys are so strong for each other and for those they love.It was hard to hear his pain,but I do understand that at some point that pain has to have a release.I went through similar and like a steam valve venting,all that has transpired which has caused pain,I could not hold that within me and stay balanced in any way.Scientology makes men,women,children,babies sob and cry.Along with taking in money 24/7 the cruelty of this cult cuts as a knife and has no heart,soul or emotions.None.The more the world sees this remarkable series,the better.May all our tears turn to joy and may our love here light the world and kill the darkness within.๐Ÿ’›

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    Rachel, you are a guardian Angel.

  • Observer
  • Missionary Kid

    I passed by the Pasadena Org a while ago late at night. Incredibly, in the next block south, but on the opposite side of the street, is a store called STATS.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “Increased thetan size”? Hey now! Who wouldn’t want that? ๐Ÿ˜‰
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a089af0b7457a153f2c49f1b039469fc3aec13615603dce5368547229d9b13eb.png

  • Narapoid

    To new people to the Underground Bunker: Before our esteemed proprietor Tony Ortega began this blog you are enjoying, he was the editor of a little publication called the Village Voice. Whilst there, he began his earnest publication of relevant Scientology stories, one series of which is “The Top 25 People Crippling Scientology”. This is the link to #25. http://www.villagevoice.com/news/the-top-25-people-crippling-scientology-6665220

    If this series were written now, some 5 years later, I wonder how it would look…

    Hey grizzled veterans, what do you think?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Highly recommended. I’d love Tony to compile a new list based on current key players, but even more than that I’m longing for a new SMERSH Madness ๐Ÿ™‚

      • oknow

        That was one of the first articles that I read, loved it!

        • Narapoid

          Tony, Tory Christman and Mark Bunker helped me through the chaotic rabbit hole at the very first fall. That article, was my foundation of exploration.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Mine, too. I couldn’t get past each name without opening several new tabs in my browser for further research. It really was the rabbit hole that got me in to this.

            • Narapoid

              You said it sister!

      • Ella Raitch

        That’s what it was called – I was trying to remember

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I drop massive hints about SMERSH Madness every few months but Tony is completely ignoring me ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Ella Raitch

      Leah would certainly be making a big appearance – Mike R would be bumped up, Marty R not appearing (maybe). Steve Cannane and Bryan Seymour are still making waves (I think they appeared in a later vote than this one – at the Bunker). Leah might even be number one at this stage. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5b37f1aab0a67f1b2f7da306684a03c9bf3e2c3cb10ec063fa4f17de7582407.jpg

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        My opinion is Leah at number 1, Mike Rinder number 2.

        • Narapoid

          Gibney and Wright. Chris Shelton

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Chris Shelton, Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine for sure.

            • Ann B Watson

              ๐Ÿ’›

        • Ella Raitch

          Yep – that’s about how I see it. Ron Miscavige – and LMP had a big hand in that

    • chukicita

      I think Tony Ortega should be on there somewhere.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        He would never include himself, but if we were in charge he’d be right at the top.

        • MissCandle

          I second that emotion.

      • Narapoid

        Bingo!! Tony is too humble to stick his name in there, but we know better!

        He needs his own category.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Larry King – “Leah Remini on Scientology: I was a fraud” (video)

    Describing the Church of Scientology as a “pay-as-you-go religion,” Leah Remini – a former Scientologist – says involvement in the organization comes at great personal expense, as members pursue the alleged spiritual gains that go along with climbing the ranks of the religion.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x55d81l_leah-remini-on-scientology-i-was-a-fraud_news

    • DoveAlexa

      Very brave of her to just say those words. Not a weasling out word among them.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I think Leah was born 10% human, 90% courage.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          And 100% balls. ; )

        • Juicer77

          I have to admit, she’s really kept her foot on the gas. As her projects unfold it’s clear she is not looking to capitalize on this. She’s horrified by what she supported all these years. Major props to her for courage and smarts.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I know a guy who should pay attention to Leah, maybe learn how to not constantly ****ing weasel, hedge, and big-note himself.

    • madame duran

      Leah’s great in her responses as usual but Larry King’s interviewing style really grates on my nerves. I cannot stand journalists/broadcasters who constantly interrupt their guests instead of letting them answer. Annoys me to no end.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Yes, it’s infuriating.

  • DexterSka

    It’s crazy to think that this is hidden at a fairly major intersection in the mountain communities of California. Everyone treats those places like they’re the middle of nowhere but it’s actually quite densely populated. I’d compare it to Flagstaff Arizona.

    • Tony Ortega

      Yep. They’re hiding her in plain sight.

      • DexterSka

        You’re telling me, I used to shop at that same supermarket, my dad took me to that hardware store as a kid. The crazy part is, the Sea Org mindset is that she is not hiding, they just don’t see why people need to know. They might even say they are protecting her privacy.

        • Dylan

          I used to go down there quite a bit as well to shop. your right they are of the mind set because really they are not. I wanted to ask Tony what they said she was wearing as the CST uniform is pretty distinct.

          • DexterSka

            So did you live on the mountain at all?

            • Dylan

              I did. I lived at the main base of CST.

            • DexterSka

              Nice, we were practically neighbors. Did you guys all live on base? I had a Scientologist aunt that wanted to borrow our house in the area a bit for some reason, and her Daughter’s husband’s family owns a house near there. None of them are Sea Org, but is there a reason that these people would be so drawn too that base?

            • Dylan

              I lived across the street from the guard shack pictured above. There are three houses there. Used to do watch shifts in that shack. Great area for you to grow up. I have no idea why they would want the home other than to enjoy the area maybe? Do they know it is a Scientology base?

            • DexterSka

              I vaguely knew it was but my aunt was in the church so my parents told me it was some kind of archive. I assumed it was where they kept Hubbard and Walt Disney’s frozen heads. I also heard from kids at school that it was a cult and every year they killed cats and put their heads on sticks.
              I was asking about buying homes in the area because I know the church buys apartments in the Los Angeles area for people to live off the base in flop house living situations.

      • Susan black

        Do you know if the co$ has properties or businesses in town?

        • Tony Ortega

          I haven’t heard of any.

      • MarcabExpat

        I still don’t understand why they ever let her off the base at all. I mean, they know people are looking for her. Why does she have to go personally to the hardware store, accompanied by two guys to steer her around the room?

  • whingeybingey

    I hate that they locked Episode 3. It’s like watching everyone else unwrap a Christmas present.

  • outraged

    Why Isn’t The LA Times All Over This Story??

    Kidnapped wife of famous elusive leader of ridiculously wealthy cult
    Missing for years, recently observed twice, possibly hidden in gorgeous secret compound
    BF of celebrity who’s new TV show opened to wide acclaim
    LAPD accused mis-managing on purpose the investigation into whereabouts missing woman

    Only thing missing are the aliens!!
    The Times reporters must be warned off of anything smelling slightly Scientological.

  • nottrue

    Gotta stop this The children The poor babies… https://youtu.be/SzxmXVsqtBQ

  • AntoniaW

    Hoping to God that Leah’s initiative and Tony’s constant coverage brings rescue to Shelly Miscavige. An appalling story, and there’s no way that she’s OK if she hasn’t emerged unescorted to tell the world so.

  • flyonthewall
  • Ella Raitch

    Pffft….this story has been out for 14 hours and 20 minutes give or take.

    No leaked security camera footage…..

    No Radar or THR uptake?

    ….bugger these wheels that grind exceedingly slow but exceedingly fine.

  • Nodge
    • Nodge

      Aftermath – S01E03 – good quality

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      at least 2016 was as shitty for Scientology as it was for the rest of us

  • flyonthewall

    somebody I know is getting an unexpected present tomorrow

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Me?

      • flyonthewall

        I won’t ruin the surprise. You’ll just have to wait expectantly at the door all day and find out if it’s you or not

    • Vaquera

      Is a stork involved?

      • flyonthewall

        oops, I meant unexpected. corrected

        • Vaquera

          Should I wait at home for Justin, my UPS guy?

          • LongtimeLurker

            You know your UPS guy’s name?

            • Vaquera

              Yes. I’m friendly that way. Sometimes he knocks on the door just to say hello when he’s delivering to the people who live above me. Last week I gave him a six-pack of local craft with a red bow on it.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s lovely.

              I’m pretty friendly irl. But I must be doing something wrong with my delivery people.

            • Vaquera

              I’ve known him for a year and a half. We watch Sunday football at the same sports bar and talk FFB.

            • iampissed

              Fly promised me a wombat. Do they make wombat chow?

            • iampissed

              Im prepin the dryer.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I don’t think so.

              You just need grass, some vegetables and the occasional caek.

              F5
              http://museperk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Patrick-and-his-Birthday-Cake.jpg

            • iampissed

              That looks pretty good.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Patrick was the world’s oldest wombat.

            • iampissed

              Still looks young to me.
              He’s doing better then Shar Pei dogs.. sorry Tony, they tend to make it at most 10 years.
              Oldest was 14

            • LongtimeLurker

              : (

            • Harpoona Frittata

              He looks to be in pretty good nick for being the oldest wombat! I wonder if Patrick’s longevity can be traced to his lifelong practice of Wombatology?

            • LongtimeLurker

              There’s no way that doesn’t play a factor, I’d say.

              Also regular infusions of caek, obviously.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Btw, thanks for all the wombat pics! They’re such sweet creatures and a nice antidote to all the evil spewed forth by the cult.

              Leah’s series has done wonders to bring awareness to a much wider audience of the depth and extent of cherch’s depravity, which is painful and distressing to hear about, regardless of how many stories exactly like these you’ve already heard.

              Taking a walk out in nature, playing with small children, enjoying wombat pics from a land far away…these are all things that each of us need to spend time in order to not become depressed, discouraged or even stuck in anger for too long.

              Love wins…it just doesn’t do so easily or without a struggle!

            • LongtimeLurker

              ; )

            • Juicer77

              WAS? Didn’t he just celebrate 33 or something?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Oh. thanks Juicer. You’re totally right.

              He also just joined Tinder apparently.

              Somehow I conflated him and Tonka, another zoo wombat. It’s been a rough week.

              Don’t look up Tonka’s story (seriously) he had a great life, but the ending is a bit sad.

              Not horrific, or anythingโ€ฆ

              …anyway yes, Patrick is alive and well.

            • MM

              LL, far be it from me to question your authority on the topic of wombats, but… ๐Ÿ˜‰

              Patrick is the world’s oldest wombat, but Emma who used to live in Duisburg, Germany was the world’s oldest known wombat of all time. Emma died at age 34 back in 2008:
              http://www.derwesten.de/panorama/aeltester-wombat-der-welt-im-zoo-duisburg-gestorben-id897377.html

              Emma is even mentioned/referenced (by her age; not by name) on the website of Ballarat Wildlife Park (Patrick’s home):
              http://wildlifepark.com.au/wildlife_animals/common-wombat/

            • LongtimeLurker

              MM…I’m ashamed. While I was looking for that cake photo of Patrick, I saw a photo of Tonka (who wasn’t that old) and I conflated them in my head. Rough week.

              I’ve never heard of Emma! Which is a great name for a wombat, imho.

            • flyonthewall

              i would eat that

            • flyonthewall
            • iampissed
            • flyonthewall

              awww, cheer up owly. Here, have a mouse. It’s a mutant but it’s still good

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/28bc7cae2629f10bf92ee9291a5543402e4b03b2fe837a9068a1c690fe970db2.gif

            • iampissed

              Bet it has great hearing. Maybe we could make him an A1, figure that one out.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Mine is Larry.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I gotta get my act together.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              All you need is a magic step!

          • flyonthewall

            Yes but not bc he’ll be bringing you something from me. He might be lonely or need a smile, you never know so you should prob wait for him just in case

            • Vaquera

              He always gets a hug.

          • iampissed

            But now if you had a pool guy….?

            • Vaquera

              Since at the moment it’s -1* with a wind chill of -19* I don’t think he’d be around too often.

            • iampissed

              He might want to get warm…just saying.

    • iampissed

      Fly your getting me a wombat…your so wonderful

    • Juicer77

      Stop telling us when you and Mrs. Fly are going to have grown-up time!! XD

      • flyonthewall

        eww!

  • Vaquera
    • Sherbet

      If that stupid triangle logo falls off the tree, it could put someone’s eye out.

      • Vaquera

        Looks like an IAS Xmas card on the desk in the background.
        Ho-Ho-Ho…what have you donated lately?

    • daisy

      Typical scientology – Gaudy

      • Dagnabit

        There was an American Sports Broadcaster went by the name of Curt Gaudy

        • Sherbet

          Curt Gowdy, you mean?

          • Dagnabit

            Oh. Yes. Right.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Hi Vaq. Here’s some Toronto cowboys for you. My second cousin’s on pedal steel.
      https://youtu.be/94gAt5-RQxo

      • Vaquera

        Hey Emma! I’m going to be at the WJC in Toronto for 5 days over New Years. Any cowboy bars I should know about?

        • EmmaDaoust

          Well I don’t know about cowboy bars, per se, but I’ll look into bands and get back to you. btw skies has my email

        • EDN/laineybin

          I’m going home for Christmas and New Years too! Not too sure about cowboy bars though ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • madame duran

          What’s WJC?

          • daisy

            world junior championship I think

          • Vaquera

            World Juniors Championship
            U20 ice hockey

      • Vaquera

        These guys remind me of another Toronto group, the Cowboy Junkies. He sounds like a male Margo Timmons.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Ha! Kinda!

          • daisy

            Do you spend Xmas with your family Em ?

            • EmmaDaoust

              It varies – sometimes brothers, sometimes cousins, sometimes friends. I get around. Not as far and wide as Vaq, though.

        • chukicita

          I opened for cowboy junkies a million years ago. They had a good deli tray.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Name droppin’ about your fancy deli trays. pffft

            • chukicita

              Hey. You don’t forget soppressata and manchego cheese.

          • Vaquera

            No junkie food?

    • flyonthewall
      • EmmaDaoust

        It’s those compound eyes.

        • flyonthewall

          this only compounds my failure

          • LongtimeLurker

            Haw!

      • Vaquera

        Because usually the S is entertwined with the triangles and they are the same color. The tree topper uses different colors and the S is overlaid.

        • flyonthewall

          jesus turned water into wine and you turned a rhetorical question into a real one. Who’s the real Jesus? You, that’s who

          • Vaquera

            Who’s the gullible one? Me, that’s who.

            • flyonthewall

              who’s the..bad..rhetorical question …asker? Me, that’s who.

      • Dagnabit

        Cuz you weren’t really looking?

      • LongtimeLurker

        O
        M
        G

        • flyonthewall

          ikr

    • Ella Raitch

      That ribbon looks like a boa constrictor – ready to squeeze the life and spirit out of that poor tree

      • Dagnabit

        Dadgummit

        • Juicer77

          Dagnabit!

    • madame duran

      Seeing all this bright, pretty and colourful decoration topped off with a turd cherry on top just kills the holiday cheer. It’s more like the cult is celebrating the birth of Lucifer (aka, Satan, who once was an angel of light). Actually, the tree is a good representation of what Scientology is: triangular shaped just like a ponzi scheme; all glittery on the outside but has a giant “S” (=shit) at the apex. Merry Satanmas! *gives cult shady side eye*

    • Juicer77

      At first I was like AWWWW then I was like EEWWWWWWWW

  • flyonthewall
    • flyonthewall

      He’s a list 1 rock slammer! I knew it

    • iampissed

      Rock slamin like I just don’t care.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I was watching Project Runway Fashion Start-up and a company comes on with a business selling men’s belts called Beltology. Clam Rebecca Minkoff asks them why they named it that. The guy says something like its because he has a science background. Minkoff then makes them an offer to invest in the company in exchange for ownership of 10% of the business. They accepted :O

    • Juicer77

      Publicity grab? When was this filmed?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        The show has been on for a few months. This was the season finale. Minkoff who is introduced as having a “$100 million lifestyle brand” is one of the show’s 4 panelists.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Just finished watching Episode 3 Leah Remini. I should have brought shares in Kleenex Tissues, would have made a fortune, and this is only part 3. So painful and upsetting to watch in parts, but we owe it to those who have lost family to disconnection. Our pain is nothing compared to theirs.

    You WILL get your loved ones back. That I truly believe.

  • sizzle8
    • Todd Tomorrow

      You forgot the grey hair. I doubt b.m. sends his colorist up to Shelly’s tower.

      • sizzle8

        I used an online age progression site. That’s all it would do for the hair.

  • Liberated

    Katie Holmes is on the Late Late show, she’s drinking a glass of wine, she looks so pretty and relaxed, do ya think she could have ever projected that image when she was under the thumb of TC and DM?

    Hell no……those are things ya just can’t fake.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m watching it now, here on the left coast. She does look relaxed.

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    Short week full of surprises. I’m a happy sheeple.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Kisses 2 u Wogsy!

      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        (((hugs)))

    • Juicer77

      ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Todd Tomorrow

    “Nonsense chatter” tripping over their own words.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KMW9sMs6v8

  • iampissed

    to OSA my Dad
    Will not be of this place in about a week
    Or so….I’m proud that that i am able to take him there
    Question are you!

    • iampissed

      Questions for you..are you worthy.

  • ExCult.Jan

    Damn, CST has an actual prison guard lookout tower!!!! Explain THAT away, Napoleon Miscarriage.

  • iampissed

    My father is. Dying

    • ExCult.Jan

      (((hugs)))

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I’m so sorry Iampissed. Sending you lots of hugs.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I am so sorry, you must be devastated. You are both in my thoughts.

    • Rieand

      Whats happening?

      • LongtimeLurker

        iampissed’s father had a heart attack about a week ago. The family has been with him in hospital since then.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I’m sorry to hear about that.

    • russ tee k9

      more hugs. my first post after lots lurking. wish I could give ya a hug in the flesh.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I hope you post again (in better circumstances).

      • iampissed

        Keep posting we have a lot of good people here, but there is always room for more on the couch.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Oh god iam.

      So, so sorry. I hope your sister is still there.

      I wish we all were, as well.

    • Juicer77

      Sending lots of love your way. May it be a peaceful blessing if that is possible.

    • He knows you love him.

    • Newiga

      :'( So sorry to hear that. (((HUGS)))

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ***hugs***

    • Suzy

      (((HUGS))) So sorry to hear that.

    • Ann B Watson

      I am so sad for your journey with your Dad now.I wish you and yours Peace and Light and Love.Hugs too.๐ŸŒŒ

    • daisy

      I am so sorry, I didn*t realize his prognosis was dire. ((((( hugs ))))

  • Rieand

    This is a corporation, not a church. I think first big step is to officially say

    • Rieand

      This is NOT a church!

      • Liberated

        They can’t officially say, cause they’ll lose their tax exemption status if they do.

        • Rieand

          The best people in the universe don’t care about…honesty? I can say what I think.

          • Rieand

            They will lie if they want to…really? Good policy!

    • Rieand

      I drink alot, sorry

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I did that for a long time. You feel so much better when you give it up.

  • LongtimeLurker
  • Dave Reams

    Unfortunately for Shelly, she now will never be allowed out of her strict confinement lodged deep in COB’s hole – stuck where the sun don’t shine and cameras can’t see.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    There is a lot of mention of the term “safepointing.” Without having read the actual secret OSA/Guardian’s Office policies regarding it, we can still have an understanding of what it means. And I don’t think that most of us have a good understanding that goes anywhere deep enough.

    So I’ll give you my idea of it. In Scientology to “safepoint” is to remove actual or potential threats and create willing allies. It is a way to create protection and defense that allows scientology to act unimpeded in its chosen area.

    I could easily have an incomplete understanding, or might be conflating various kinds of activities. Let me know if you have information that would clarify.

    When we see people in law enforcement or public office that simply do not respond as expected to credible evidence of scientology’s criminal actions, you have safepointing in action. The safepointed people have been convinced or duped into ignoring what scientology really does. Or they have been given a false mental map that depicts scientology as a religion that would never hurt anyone. So officials and politicians disregard complaints and the attempts to get scientology investigated as the ravings of “apostates.”

    People in government or in law enforcement or in the press do not get these personal opinions by accident. Those opinions are carefully brought about by extensive detailed operations targeting those exact people. Personal contacts are made, people are talked to. Phony “human rights” and “civic” groups are created to forward these messages and create fabricated “experience” with scientologists who are “good caring people doing helpful things for society.” All sorts of scenarios are dreamed up to create useful protective and good opinions toward scientology in people of influence.

    They figure out exactly who someone listens to. These are so-called “opinion leaders.” The “OLs” as they are called are examined, investigated. Profiles drawn up. Lists of friends and associates and the people they respect. What they stand for. What they are energized by. What they hate. These things are called “buttons.”

    Their vulnerabilities are examined. Who or what are they protecting? How are their finances? Do they have any skeletons in their closet? Do we have any scientologists who know them or knew them or are connected in any way? Can we make a lever out of that? Did they ever do drugs, or have a scandal? And on and on and on.

    No intelligence agency has ever been more thorough in searching out exactly how to reach and influence someone who could affect the operations of scientology, start an investigation or enforce laws or make legislation. Or even publish stories in a major newspaper.

    When evidence has been gathered and a plan of attack has been put together then it is put into action by some division of scientology. Schmoozing and subtle stories, invitations to events that sound like very good PR, even secretary’s applying for positions in their offices, any number of multi-pronged attacks.

    This is all in the background. This isn’t lawsuits and above board approach. No, this is influence, quiet, hidden by misrepresentation. Approaches by people the targeted person would NEVER suspect were associated with scientology.

    Or if they have enough goods on someone, a way is found to discretely, deniably let the target know it, that they need to lay off scientology.

    Or they open their mouth about something scientology is doing or wants, and suddenly their professional and personal life erupts into chaos. That gets noticed. The connection gets made. Behavior get modified. And others see it happening and modify their behavior too.

    This happens in every town, city, county, state and country that scientology operates in. It is policy. It is Hubbard’s careful design, refined by decades of practice.

    With all this going on, the surprising thing is that ANYONE who is in politics or public service does anything at all about scientology.

    I look at it like this: Law enforcement, politicians, newspapers, public servants all have a multitude of responsibilities to deal with, day-in and day-out. Huge amounts of time and effort to try and make the society work. Try to inform. Try to help. What scientology does is an extremely small part of that whole. But the havoc scientology can create for someone or an agency doing something about scientology is many, many times greater in time and money and career death and legal entanglements than it can possibly be worth. So scientology wins by both the carrot and the stick. It is so easy to make a trade off: A nearly impossible protracted battle with scientology that uses up time and people and resources -vs- ignore scientology and use all those things for something we can actually do something about.

    Only the most principled are willing to take it on. And many times when they do, they find out they don’t have the support of their department head or the governor or the chief. No money or personnel are made available. No time set aside.

    So, this is why. Why for so many, it is easier to give up, or look away or cut the losses. It is why I despair of anything ever being done in this country. Why there seems to be absolutely no law enforcement or IRS or legislation relief possible for those who have been and are being harmed by scientology.

    It’s just so… bleak. All those people who we rely on, who we trust to do what we as individuals cannot, abandon us. Our police and FBI and representatives and presidents. On this subject, they are all compromised or missing in action.

    It just makes me so tired. So damn tired.

    • Not all, but most. And mostly “missing in action”. Uninformed. Just plain stupid. It is very disheartening.
      “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity,”
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

    • FredEX2

      Michael this is one of the best explanations of how CoS gets by with the crimes they commit without anything seeming to ever be done about it…that I’ve ever read. Thank you for this comment. I’m going to save it.

    • It helps to know Leah intends to not give up until our government does something โ™ก

  • Todd Tomorrow

    OT

    Pet dog crawls under table and whimpers in China as family dines on dog to “warm blood”.

    18:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohZT1X1VNg
    Edit: Clarification, they just talk about it no dogs being harmed in this vid.

    • Certainly not going to watch that.

      • Jimmy3

        It’s just two mooks answering fan questions about living in China. The guy mentions it very briefly, as an anecdote that someone else told him about something that happened years and years ago. No one is eating dogs in this video. But I have an idea as to why Todd falsely prefaced it as though that were the case.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Click bate.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They talk about how people in China always deny they eat dog but these guys have lived there for over 7 years and witnessed it. Telling the story gets the point across, i’d never show dog being eaten. At the 18:00 min. mark they tell a story about it. In the country you’ll see a meat case with a stack of dog tails. Thieves often come into the cities and blow dart and steal people’s pets. If caught the mob mentality takes over and they kill the assholes. These guys are great to watch if you are interested in learning about China.

  • Dave Reams
  • Dave Reams

    I heard that Miscavige was spotted entering the Trump Tower for one of those “humiliation dinners” that Trump has been holding a lot recently. Poor Trump! I wonder what Dave has on him?

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Religious meditation can be deadly.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIxE5kZXjsY
    “Preferred trade status”? WTF?

  • Luke Martinelli
  • Theo Sismanides

    ฮ™f that was her, she is obviously under watch. Now the point is, does Shelly Miscavige want to live such a life? To be constantly nailed in a place or whenever she could go out for an hour or so, to be under watch? Is that on her own volition.

    You guys, need to think in terms of religious orders a bit. You have to take consideration of that factor, too. I know many of you do not even acknowledge what Scientology is all about and you think it is what people think.

    But surely Shelly hasn’t been thinking like that. She has been dedicated to Scientology for years.

    It would be interesting to see now, if she thinks her (ex?) husband is fit to lead the movement. And if she would like to be part of that church or she would want to move out and be considered an Independent Scientologist like so many others.

    You guys make another mistake. Under the missing info by journalists and anti-Scientology spokespersons you think all who quit the church are against Scientology as a philosophy. Not true. Of course Hollywood and the status quo wouldn’t want others to even hear there is a Freezone/Independent movement of Scientology.

    But that’s besides the point. The point is Shelly Miscavige and she needs to be given 3 options upon which she can freely decide :

    1. To remain in the church in that status and “move up the conditions” (if one, under Miscavige, can move up in any condition, hahaha, bitter laughter) out of her own volition.

    2. To move out of the church and continue being a Scientologist in the Independent field and allowed to be given all the data that she is probably missing about what has been going on and how many people have been persecuted and harmed for being loyal to LRH and Standard Tech. (I for one have been persecuted for insisting on the Translations Series HCOBs which were not applied and still are not applied).

    3. To move out of the church and do whatever she wants far from Scientology.

    In any case Shelly Miscavige needs to have the data of what has been going on and the Freezone is the 3rd option which is not played at all by Tony Ortega, Mike Rinder or Leah Remini. But all the info you guys have gotten have come from ex-es mostly and many of them have been in the Freezone field for some time at least.

    Now, that data needs to be put together and it needs to include the fact that many people have been persecuted by Miscavige because they abided by Standard Tech.

    Do you ever hear the word Standard Tech? No. Not even in the church. That’s the plan.

    All this is a way to distract the people of Earth from what used to be the technology of Standard Tech and do away with it (it’s been happening over the years, Scientology is being transformed into the DM version) and then maybe, why not, make it (that transvestite Miscavige-Cruise version) the New World Order religion for the whole world. Yes, it can happen. Black Dianetics used against Man. Why do you think “serious” newspapers are endorsing Scientology and its ads?

  • Jenny Griffith

    There is a Christian campsite, adjacent to Shelly. I bet they rent it out to groups. We could actually surround the compound, by marching and calling out to her. Wouldn’t even need a megaphone. The road is public and close to all of the structures. There’s even a trail, adjacent to the fence. I live very close to that compound.

  • JJ

    Seriously need to be a police issue. Legitimate police. A Check on the Welfare of a person call.