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Leah Remini is filming an ‘Aftermath’ episode in Clearwater’s oldest Baptist church on July 22

[Pastor Willy Rice]

 
UPDATE: This event has now been canceled. See our new story about what happened to it.

In a letter that Pastor Willy Rice sent to his congregation, the Clearwater Baptist minister revealed that Leah Remini and Mike Rinder will be filming an episode of their A&E series, Scientology and the Aftermath, at the Florida church on July 22 at 12 noon.

The pastor explains that this won’t be a church event, or even a Christian event, but it will give Clearwater residents with questions about Scientology and about Remini’s show the chance to get some answers in the city where Scientology has its “spiritual mecca.”

We confirmed with the Aftermath team that the filming is taking place, and they said they would get back to us soon with an official statement about it. In the meantime, here’s the pastor’s letter…

Dear Calvary Family:

Many of you may be aware of the A&E series Scientology and the Aftermath featuring the actor Leah Remini and Mike Rinder. Both Remini and Rinder are former Scientologists who have shared their own stories and spoken out about the cult’s dangerous, deceptive and abusive practices. The series, which first aired last season, has received great attention.

The series is in production for a second season. I believe it has the potential, perhaps more than any book or documentary so far, to expose the truly horrific practices of Scientology.

Recently, the producers of A&E reached out to us to ask if we would be willing to host an episode of season two featuring Remini and Rinder. After consulting with other pastors and leaders we have agreed to do so. Leah Rimini and Mike Rinder, along with others, will be at Calvary for an open public forum on Saturday, July 22 at 12:00 noon.

This event will not be a Calvary event, in that we will not run or direct the event. It will not even be exclusively a “Christian” event, in that its aims are not exclusively for evangelism, worship or discipleship as we would normally identify those terms. The television program does not come from a Christian perspective, nor do the persons producing the show and running the event necessarily share our faith. Why then are we doing it?

We believe this represents an important, perhaps historic, opportunity to expose the cult of Scientology and the harm it has brought to our community and to many thousands of people. Rinder and Remini are two of the most prominent persons to ever defect or escape from this group and their story deserves to be heard. As Clearwater’s oldest church, we believe we have a unique opportunity to help this message be heard and to facilitate the discussion our community deserves. Therefore, even though this event falls outside of the normal parameters of an event our church would host, we believe it is strategic for us to do so.

While, we will not be in charge of the event or its content, we are involved and will do our best to make sure the discussions and decorum demonstrate respect for our church, our mission and our facilities. Nevertheless, you should know that the content or views expressed at the forum may not necessarily represent those of the pastors or members of Calvary.

What can you do to help? Get the word out. This event is being driven by the production schedule of A&E. It is happening quickly and a Saturday event at 12:00 pm is highly unusual. However, we believe there will be high interest across our community. The doors will open at 11:30 that morning and it will be open to the public.

Next, pray. Pray that God will use the event for His purposes and that the light of truth will shine on one of the dark corners of our community. Pray also for our church and leaders. The historic pattern of Scientology has been to viciously and unfairly attack their critics. Instead of answering the concerns raised, the cult has often sought to attack the messengers, their character, and their family. They are liable to do anything they can do to distract from the issue at hand. This is known as an Ad hominem argument and it is a familiar logical fallacy. We should anticipate an attack upon Calvary and our leaders and thus should pray for God’s protection and pray that what some may mean for evil, God will use for good. Please understand what is happening should you read or hear of some attack upon our church and/or our leaders. Our pastors and congregational leaders will respond as necessary to any attacks in the way we feel honors the Lord and defends the truth.

Our prayer is that through this event God would be glorified and our Calvary family would have the opportunity to point people to the Truth. This will not be possible without your faithful prayers. Starting Friday, July 21st, at 12:00 pm and for the following 24 hours, we are asking our Calvary family members to commit to pray for this event for 15 minutes. Register for a time slot at https://calvarybaptistchurch.ccbchurch.com/form_response.php?id=437

This is a highly unusual opportunity but the presence of Scientology in our community is a highly unusual phenomena. We believe we have an opportunity to help those who are telling a story that needs to be told. Please pray. If you have an interest, plan to attend. Get the word out on social media.

Our community needs people of courage who are willing to speak out and support those who do. Who will be courageous if those of us who claim to trust in the Lord are afraid to speak up and help those who do? Our community has been tormented by this Goliath for far too long. Someone has to pick up a rock and a slingshot and trust God with the results. We believe we are in a unique position in this community and should try to help. As always, we will put our trust in the Lord who is sovereign over all.

I hope this offers some explanation of why we are taking the unusual step of hosting this event. I hope it calls you to prayer and I hope that if you have an interest and/or know others who do, that you will plan to attend and help us spread the word.

Pastor Willy Rice

 

 
We looked it up: 6.1 miles…

 

 
UPDATE: Looks like this has been in the works for a little while. Here’s a Facebook post by Pastor Rice dated May 9 which indicates that the church had Mike Rinder come by to talk about Scientology to the staff…

 

 
…and back in February…

 

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,809 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,566 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,912 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,406 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,446 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,158 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 684 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,773 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,913 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,233 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,208 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 564 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,866 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 973 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,375 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,248 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 829 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,334 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,578 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,687 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on July 12, 2017 at 17:19

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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  • balletlady

    ONE thing is for sure….Kool Aid will NOT be served! I only WISH I could attend. One millions thumbs up, hugs, smoochies for Leah and Mike!!

    • flyonthewall

      how do you know?

    • flyonthewall

      did you talk to the caterer or something?

      • balletlady

        Yes,,,,for sure Rice & Bean are also OFF the menu! It will be southern tummy filling comfort food…..oh crap, now I REALLY wish I could go….

  • OOkpik

    Leah and Mike are just looking for attention.
    You bet they are! And they focus it on the devastation wrought by the Church of Scientology.
    Something IS being done about it.
    Wish I could be there to lend my support. 🙁

  • InterestedObserver12

    Thank you, Pastor Rice, and please extend my thanks to your congregation. While I have not been a man of faith for decades, it is communities such as yours that keep me from locking that particular door.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    So I hope this is a new trend: Actual community beneficial Churches and spiritual groups standing up and making clear that they will no longer quietly share the name “religion” with soul destroying cults and prosperity scams.

    But that they will insist on and fight for a distinction between faith that builds and shelters the community and the scams that benefit only the few in a religious guise.

    I know that some groups will be conflicted, believing the lie that if Scientology loses their tax exemption benefits, then they will also.

    One solution is indeed making all groups pay taxes, without a non-profit classification at all. If no distinction can be settled upon, then all may lose their exemptions.

    But if truly beneficial non-profit groups can band together to demand a public benefit test (that has teeth) before exemption is granted, or continued, then there is hope that something can be done about the predators.

    And if they cannot see the problem, and agree on a solution and carry that benefits test into law, then perhaps they deserve the same treatment, eventual loss of all tax exemption for both the good and the bad.

    It is time the various religious communities choose their sides and stand together. As Calvary has evidently done.

    • RexAinsfree

      Upvote for the Public Benefit Test, à la Australia.

    • Dchoiceisalwaysrs

      “But if truly beneficial non-profit groups can band together to demand a public benefit test (that has teeth) before exemption is granted, or continued, then there is hope that something can be done about the predators”

      Something can and is being done about it. This is fantastic.

  • Elizabeth Lavet

    Where was it that they were going to have the best hamburgers in town in a Scientology building? Anyone taste them? Did they get made, are they making them, are they good, and where are they? Anyone know? I want to go say hi to an org and might as well have a hamburger while I am at it. Was this in bad taste? Speaking of taste, are there real fries, fresh not frozen, with those burgers?

    • Liberated

      Yes there was something about Theta burgers – think it was in LA.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      At Big Blue.

    • PeaceMaker

      I think it was something like the Pacifica Cafeteria in one of the buildings on their “Big Blue” campus in LA. That probably lasted until 2 pm Thursday one week. I wouldn’t count on Scientology food, and I don’t know that the public has access to it, anyway.

      I notice that a number of the “ideal” orgs are trying to run some sort of food counter, but that would probably only be in the biggest orgs and at the busiest times – and I don’t know that it would be open to visitors.

      Also, if you sat down to eat in a Scientology facility, you’d risk having some pushy, creepy person come join you.

      • Elizabeth Lavet

        I will just tell them I came in for the hamburger, I heard they had really good hamburgers and take it from there.. I do not need Scientology to teach me how to stay calm and act without emotion.

  • Observer
    • flyonthewall

      not going to go anywhere. Sorry but it’s not

      • Observer

        Maybe, but it’s the first shot.

        • flyonthewall

          Only way Trump will be impeached and removed is if Dems take House and Senate in 2018. Trump knows that and so do the Republicans. It will make 2016 look like a picnic. Espec now that Trump and the Repubs have signaled that they don’t mind Russian meddling in our elections. Voter rolls will be purged and I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump straight up calls for violence at the polls. Even under the best and most ideal of circumstances it would be extremely unlikely for the Dems to take it all.

          • Observer

            We’ll see. Worst-case scenarios have a way of not happening very often.

          • Supper Powers

            The Red Herring News has been quite effective on me lately. I stopped paying attention to the real news I could manage to find and the bullshit news that covers up the real news and now, I’m exhausted.

            • flyonthewall

              You can’t do that. Even if it’s hopeless, which I don’t know that it is..yet, you have to fight. To fight you have to be aware and informed. We cannot go silently into the night.

            • Supper Powers

              I just need to pause, climb back up top and get a bigger view. The Red Herring News has altered the popular conversation in a way that requires a clear, strong voice to render it benign. I need to figure out what that is. I just have my nose in the In depth journals right now, because the everchanging soundbites from social media and popular media just keep me as uninformed as ever.

            • flyonthewall

              I get it’s exhausting when every breaking development people say, “This is it, this is the thing” and then nothing happens. No. You have to erase that expectation and just look at it like tiny pieces of the puzzle coming together

            • Supper Powers

              Agreed. He’s not going to be impeached. The GOP will stand by this orangatan as he flings his feces around the White House and the world. That’s their smoke screen to dismantle things. It’s the circus part. The gobsmacking, indigestion producing, cringe worthy 140 character circus part.

              I need a minute.

            • Liberated

              O/T….The pres. is on his way to Paris for Bastille day – someone leaked the menu.

              Les escargot avec ketchup

              Coq aul vin avec ketchup

              Le steak tartare avec ketchup

              And a coke

            • Supper Powers

              Why you hurt me like that?!?

            • Liberated

              You’ve got meds – you’ll be ok.

        • flyonthewall

          it’s good that he did, just can’t be expecting anything from it.

      • Jimmy3

        Impeach this nonbeliever too ^^
        By that I mean let’s pelt him with peach pits

        • Observer

          I’m in!

          • Jimmy3

            Start eatin as many peaches as you can.

            • Observer
            • Jimmy3

              Yes!

            • Supper Powers

              Very different than the one I shared.

            • Is it? Everybody loves Mr Furley and that little Cunningham kid, though … right?

            • Supper Powers

              Maybe not. At the end of the day, almost every love song is exactly the same.

            • See, we’re not so different after all ;p

            • Eivol Ekdal

              pass the can opener

            • FredEX2

              I have a bowl of cherries, will those work?

            • flyonthewall

              millions of peaches, peaches for me
              millions of peaches, peaches for free

            • Jimmy3

              Squish the rot impeach all these gits!
              And dream about… pantsuit womannnnn

    • FredEX2

      Now that’s a Sherman who’s words matter.

  • Supper Powers

    Holy. Shit.

  • Jimmy3

    Has anyone made a “bringing in the cavalry” joke yet?
    Ok good. I’m going back to bed.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • chukicita

      Straight out of Hubbards playbook. And the Art of War.

    • FredEX2

      People are on to these tactics and are sick of them…and the people that do them. Yes, this behavior is very much like what Scientologists do. All of it will backfire.

  • madge filpot

    What a fabulous letter.. totally powerful.

    • madame duran

      It reads like a spiritual Riot Act. I love it. Frame-worthy, indeed.

      • TexasBroad

        Worthy of a countdown.

      • mikecrosby

        Martin Luther’s 95 theses nailed on church door.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • sizzle8

    I’d fly out just to see Leah and Mike in person.

    • Gflded Kim

      I was thinking the same thing.

    • Supper Powers

      I’d fly out just to ask Aaron Smith Levin to his face why he hasn’t made a new video in 2 weeks. And then go meet Bruno

      • disco george

        SP Dog (Bruno and Goliath) HowdyCon in Clearwater. You should do it.

        • Supper Powers

          Maybe we should refresh the Bunker Fund to get a certain journalist down there for a few days.

    • PeaceMaker

      Maybe time for an East Coast mini HowdyCon – and a visit to the Lucky Anchor.

      • ReneeG

        I’m in

  • stillgrace2

    When the TB Times writes this up, I hope Tony is given credit for breaking this story.

    • Tony Ortega

      No, this is the kind of story the TBT can do much better than I can — they probably know Rice really well and can talk about how Calvary fits into the community, etc. I expect a well reported story. No need to say anything about the Bunker.

      • Jimmy3

        You always get credit in my heart. Sometimes your site url is wrong tho.

      • Ruby

        Excuse me? I think you already did a damn good job!

      • iampissed

        Well. I’m sure you have your reasons…….but you do a great service.

        • Supper Powers

          Suck up. 😉

          • iampissed

            Sometimes.

      • TexasBroad

        Tony, can you go?

        • iampissed

          He probably can’t or won’t say.
          ETA: for some reason I feel like a guy standing around a group of other guys and this charming lady walks up and asks if one of us would like to go to the Prom…..and it’s not me.

      • Glen

        I sent the entire text of Pastor Rice’s letter in an e-mail to Tracey McManus this afternoon (but did not mention the Bunker). She replied with a thank you about 45 minutes later.

      • mikecrosby

        Thank you Mr Ortega. And this is why I love the Bunker.

  • WhatAreYourCrimes

    As scientology gets into bed with the nation of islam, i hope our ASC can get into bed with all the evangelical bible-thumping groups to attack scientology. This recording of an A&E episode in a Baptist church is a great start.

    Oh, and thanks for the ASC checks that keep coming in, fellow cult members. They don’t even bounce! How did Marty Rathbun ever discover our dastardly plots?!?

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Most Christians, like non-Christians are horrified/fascinated by the CO$ once they hear the details. I wish that the CO$’s family destroying disconnection policy would get more attention in the Spanish speaking communities that they are now targeting so much.
      (refresh)
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26cbc7fe16be56a5097b06d1eed56c0a1a325e022c648c7a28728d9b1f84fbc4.png

      • Supper Powers

        I am not worldly or tech savvy. If someone who is primarily a Spanish speaker from Venezuela Googles Scientology, will the Bunker come up in Spanish or does it have to be translated already for Google to pull it up?

        Don’t throw things at me for asking a stupid question!

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Around here they use “Dianetica” and not “Cienciología” or “Scientology” to market themselves to Hispanics. If I google it, I get CO$ websites and not anti-CO$ websites. IDK what happens in other countries.

        • April

          It would show up in English, but google could translate it for them.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            If it shows up in English for them, why don’t I get things showing up in other languages for me?

            • April

              I use Google Chrome. Whenever I’ve gone to a webpage that’s not in English there will be a “translate” button at the top of the page.

  • Phil McKraken

    You know how Scientology publicly claims you can keep your own religion and be a Scientologist too? I think they’re about to strike “Baptist” from the list of permitted other religions. All other religions though… still OK*.

    * @@

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      The CO$ has several African-American so-called “Baptist Reverends” who pop up to hustle for them on the Org reg circuit.

      • PeaceMaker

        I think they tend to be various sorts of independent Baptists who don’t answer to much if anything of a church establishment, and largely make their own rules.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I once looked up the address of one of these Rev.’s churches that he listed on his website. It looked like an abandoned shack that would hold about a dozen people, surrounded by empty lots on a residential street in L.A.

  • Lilsky

    I applaud the courage of Pastor Willie in doing this, while acknowleging the probability of backlash from $cn. DM can only hide behind the skirts of his lawyers and imaginary spokespeople.

  • RexAinsfree

    This great news definitely deserves a heart click!

    • Puget Buckeye

      Heart click done.

      • RexAinsfree

        And comment made on pastor’s blog, too! I’m pumped!

        • Puget Buckeye

          My, but you’re a task master! OK, but I have to think about what I’ll say first, OK?

          • RexAinsfree

            OK. I’ve got my eye on you!

  • Missionary Kid

    This is great news. Rev. Willie Rice has stated clearly how the so called “Church” of $cientology operates and handles criticism. Bless you and your congregation, Reverend.

  • Missionary Kid

    OT. I’ve been traveling a lot lately, mostly in California, so I haven’t been here in the Bunker much. Today, I took a short trip into the San Jacinto Valley, where “Gold Base” is located in the area known as Gilman Springs, north of Hemet and San Jacinto. I went along with a buddy who was picking up something he was buying from Craig’s list in Hemet.

    There are a lot of dairy feed lots in the San Jacinto Valley, but they’re mostly located on the west side of the valley, and, the odor of cow manure is quite pungent. Usually, you only smell it when you drive by, but today, the wind was blowing hard from west to east, and as soon as we descended into the valley on highway 74, the strong smell of the dairy farms hit us.

    I said, “Boy, you can really smell the dairy farms.”

    My buddy said, “You’re wrong. That’s $cientology.”

    • Sine qua non

      You have trained your buddy well, MK! Safe travels to you.

      • Missionary Kid

        I didn’t have to train him. He got sick of my talking about $cientology several years ago after I discovered the Bunker, so I first went months without saying anything at all about Co$, then I gradually started to just give him basic headlines occasionally if something was outrageous. I hadn’t mentioned Co$ to him at all on this short trip, so it was a surprise to hear him make the joke. It made it funnier. He said that the thought just popped into his head.

        Many years before, as a favor to a friend who had a business next door to his in L.A., he delivered some large mattresses to Gold on his way out to Palm Springs for the week end. First, at the gate, security was real tight and it took him a long time to get through, then, when he unloaded his delivery to the studio building, nobody would help him. He had to struggle, carrying each large mattress in by himself. He said that everyone was a total asshole. At the time, he knew nothing about $cientology, but, as usual, it didn’t make a friend out of him.

    • Gus Cox

      Hell, you can smell the meth labs too. Hemet is a total shit hole.

      • Missionary Kid

        Hemet covers a large area, about half the valley and is nearly 28 square miles, with a population of over 80 K. In recent years, there has been a lot of home building, so there are now nicer portions of it. I’m sure that the meth labs depend on the nearby dairies to cover up their smell.

        There is also a large number of LDS families that live in the newer developments.

    • Juicer77

      Ha!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Love it!

      • Missionary Kid

        What are you doing up this early?

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Lol it was technically still “late” for me. The little climbing monster has a bad cold & keeps waking up in coughing fits so… why not catch up with my Bunker Buddies?!?! I did get a couple hours sleep finally!

  • Lliira

    If the Evangelicals around here start to actually take on Scientology, Scientology in Clearwater is going to go splat. There are a lot of very dedicated Evangelicals with very deep pockets in the area. And they have a truly large membership across the country who love throwing money at whatever cause they’re told is righteous. I don’t like them one bit — but Scientology’s worse. So this should be interesting.

    • Contrary to popular belief, the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend.

      • Lliira

        Never said they were. But also contrary to popular belief, we don’t have to be friends with people to work with them on causes we agree about, while also opposing them on things we disagree about. Any group that requires agreement over every point of belief in one’s temporary political allies is, ah, problematic. Also highly likely to lose.

    • PeaceMaker

      I’ve been thinking about this.

      I do some interfaith work in my real life, though mostly only interacting with what are generally considered to be liberal Christian denominations, and some like-minded folks including Quakers and Buddhists. But I’m certainly accustomed to addressing people who are significantly more Christian that I am.

      On the one hand, theologically, conservative Christians really should be the ones to take on Scientology, because it really is the antithesis of traditional religion and morality. But on the other hand, Evangelicals have often fallen into to the same sort of cynical power mongering and crass materialism that Scientology embodies – arguably, one of the reasons that the CofS has gone unchallenged as long as it has, and has even found allies of convenience. I think that some evangelicals, like this particular Baptist church, will truly see the right thing to do, but others are going to be hesitant to attack any nominal church at all, out of fear of getting called to account for their own dubious practices (like high-living leaders), or else are only going to get fired up because it gives them a chance to focus on someone else’s hypocrisies.

      But yes, Christians of all stripes, and especially the ones more vocal on supposed moral issues, ought to be allies in the work to end Scientology’s abuses. And they still, really, should be allies on the issues that would reign in the potential for abuse, such as new legislation and regulations to require financial transparency, prohibiting churches from subjecting parishioners and employees to business-like contracts including gag clauses, and so on.

  • madame duran

    Battle lines being drawn in de House of de Lawd??!!??
    Prayer warriors being dispatched???
    REAL church calling out fake church (in no uncertain terms)??
    Community of faith joining hands with members of the greater Clearwater community in a united front against the Cult of Scientology???

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f8df66ef10a607fe16060ce7b58b7e2affc188e0ae73a88049f147230a9175c.gif

    I, along with the Father, Son, Holy Spirit and a couple of beefy archangels, have already made front row reservations for this smackdown. I AM READY!!

    But first…let me re-read this piece of sanctified GOLD-NESS again.
    A Baptist church on describing Scientology:
    -“dangerous, deceptive and abusive” (AMEN!!)
    -“horrific practices” (PREACH IT!!!)
    -“expose the cult of Scientology and the harm it has brought to our community and to many thousands of people.” (YAAAAASSSSS!!!!!!!!)
    – “The historic pattern of Scientology has been to viciously and unfairly attack their critics. Instead of answering the concerns raised, the cult has often sought to attack the messengers, their character, and their family. They are liable to do anything they can do to distract from the issue at hand.” (FIGHT THE EVIL POWERS & PRINCIPALITIES!! EPHESIANS 6:12)
    – “Our community has been tormented by this Goliath for far too long.” (TRUTH SPOKEN!! HALLELUJAH!!!)

    Religious Compatibility? I DON’T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    (stick that in your craw, @STANDleague!!)

    Does this church accept donations of colourful, Canadian money? I hope someone will Periscope the full event in case there are any edits to the A&E show. Has anyone notified Deborah (aka “Gatecrashers” on YouTube) about this?

    Best of all, this event is for FREE.
    Truth is FREE.
    How can the Scientology outbid something like that?

    This cult is doomed, I say. DOOMED.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Amen.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Amen!!! 🙌🏼 Preach Madame D!!!

  • TexasBroad

    Marty started his video slog with something about edits left on the floor. 17 is up and its about the “Shelly scam” — there are hard cuts that make me wonder what he said that got cut out.
    So hard to watch.

    • Thanks for taking that bullet for us! I just can’t go there.

      • TexasBroad

        i understand. I have to shore myself up before I do. I don’t follow Gemma or John Alex Wood or the like, but I can’t help but watch Marty because he is so uncomfortable and so obviously doesn’t believe so much of what he is saying.. .I don’t know what I am waiting for, but i’m waiting.

        • Supper Powers

          These videos benefited nobody. Did he make these videos for The Oracle?

          • TexasBroad

            Ha! Maybe that was who was blackmailing him all along.
            That’s the thing though…it doesn’t make sense. He’s clearly insincere. But not in the same way Gemma or JAW or Freedom Mag or any other spew — this is different.

            • Sine qua non

              I’m not as up on all the Marty stuff as you guys are, watched a whole Marty video last night. Something is very amiss. I was like, what the Hades? He makes no sense. The whole video thing makes no sense unless he’s being blackmailed, or is psychologically and /or cognitively stressed to the max. I don’t know what to think.

              his commwnters/followers are condescending and obtuse, but too. I can’t imagine who they are. I Honestly, sometimes I think Marty is trolling himself under different pseudonyms. Is that crazy thinking on my part? Maybe Marty and The Oracle are both Marty. And what of Alanzo??

              I just think it’s sad Marty is doing these videos when he could be enjoying his family or running a community garden or getting an accounting degree. I somewhat jest, as Marty is not like most people. Even so, the whole thing seems an odd waste of time, even for a guy like Marty, who seems to delight in being odd and confusing.

            • Qbird

              I would not like to be in his shoes… what a way to live.
              bullshit is exhausting man.

            • Sine qua non

              How right you are. If people would just be honest, they’d have a lot more energy left to be useful and helpful and kind-and to relax and enjoy life, and which is very important as well.

              Alas, some folks prefer to use that energy to enturbulate. 😕

            • If you look further back through his blog, he always was obscure and not very interesting, and his commentators were always so strange that it is hard to credit that they are real, and serious.

              The videos are a step change, contradict so many things that he previously stated, and are obviously in the interests of Miscavige. His having sold out is the front runner – but this is Marty, so who knows what’s going in inside his head?

              Marty won’t ‘get a life’ (as so many exes have bravely done) because he once exercised power in the CofS and wants to do so again. He won’t let it go. That is his tragedy.

            • Sine qua non

              Indeed. I have read a number of his pre-video era blog posts. He always seemed (and seems, still) to try to impress people with obscure, big words and philosophical concepts which are largely useless, but make him sound like an “intellectual.”

              I believe he does so to confuse people and make them think he’s smarter and more knowledgeable than they are. And, I think he IS smart. He’s also highly-trained in using this manipulative technique. It usually works quite well on folks who’ve been psychologically abused and who have inferiority complexes. That would describe many Scientology types (current and former). I suspect his followers are mainly ex-COS members who are easy marks for his “leadership style”. But who really knows?

              Anyway, it’s all very horrid to me. I agree that reasonable people might well suspect he sold out. I have no idea how all of this will end up. I just hope his child and wife are okay. There’s a lot more to life than money.

            • I think you overestimate the man. He could be a successful ‘enforcer’ only inside the closed social world of Scientology, where his ‘power’ was unrestrained. Since leaving Scientology, however, he has failed in every project he has recently undertaken – and it’s doubtful that he even managed to make a living.

              Marty’s posts typically referenced a popular book about some area of psychological , cherry-picked a concept (without properly understanding it) and then misapplied it in a way that was presented as a unique insight.

              He seems to think that this Hubbard-style ‘research’ is all you need to be clever, and the only reason that his genius is not recognised (except by those who worship him in the comments) is that he is the victim of a conspiracy.

              His followers do seem to be predominantly ex-Scientologists, but I think that they share Marty’s belief that you only have to produce a string of words that sounds clever to you, to be clever – and find an environment where they can get away with this in his blog (as long as they praise the master).

              PS

              The point about ‘complexes’ in psychoanalytic theory is that they are unconscious.

              Consequently, someone with an inferiority complex has suppressed feelings of inferiority, and over-compensates by behaving in a dominating and aggressive way – as if they were superior.

              Conversely, someone with a superiority complex, is timid and submissive because they are afraid of the consequences of unleashing what they unconsciously believe to be their extraordinary superior (but imagined) talents.

              It worls by opposites.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Same here TxB – I don’t want to but just can’t help myself because it’s so unreal! He’s constantly searching for words, trying to carefully phrase things and much looking up as though there are points he must remember to cover. And WTH?!?! He’s graduated from notes & papers to a full-on BINDER in his lap of notes, etc?!?!

    • Jimmy3

      Where is the where is Shelly edits???

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      They guy is unraveling more with every video. Even his voice is getting rough. His whole point here is that Leah & Rinder made up a story about Shelly being missing which put the CO$ “in an untenable position and they have no way to respond to it”. How is that, Marty? They could have her call up any reporter on the planet and have her give an interview. Or release a video of her. They could do any number of things to dispute it. He even at one point says that Leah doesn’t have the rank to ask about it! OMG

      • disco george

        He actually said Leah doesn’t have the rank to ask? JFC, talk about bringing things full circle without a hint of irony there, Marty.

        • Supper Powers

          Oh, you want irony? Marty tried to say the untenable position that the church was put in by Rinder is like one where a husband is (wrongly) accused of beating his wife.

          • disco george

            It’s like they’re just trolling themselves at this point.

          • OOkpik

            IIRC, Hubbard once explained some supposed Catch 22 situation by comparing it to a husband being required to answer “Yes” or “No” to the question “Do you still beat your wife?”

            You pretty much have to be familiar with that passage in order to make any sense of Marty’s odd wife-beating comment to demonstrate how the “situation” was “untenable”.

            My “favorite” fart part of the video was Marty describing a simple “Where is Shelly?” from Leah regarding her friend, as an in-depth, highly intrusive and all-encompassing interrogation about Shelly’s personal business. It made him sound like a seasoned Scientolo….wait…

            • Supper Powers

              I found it ironic that after all th bullshit accusations hurled at Rinder about this topic, he would use it as an example. Marty is not crazy. He’s an asshole.

        • Intergalactic Walrus
          • disco george

            Thank you for the screenshot and not making me go watch. There would probably have been nightmares involved.

            • Supper Powers

              Nobody called disco george should be having nightmares!

            • disco george

              Awwwww, thanks — you have more than just supper powers!

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              At about 1:38 he starts to stammer and stumble on his words for about 10-15 seconds. IDK what the issue is. Extreme exhaustion or can’t remember the script maybe but I’ve seen this in early-onset Alzheimer’s patients too. This dude should get a check-up IMHO.

            • 0tessa

              Repeatedly lying does something to the mind.

          • Sine qua non

            Leah is the remedy! Gotta love that transcription program. 😉

          • Graham

            Being Shelly’s friend is rank enough Marty. You do know what ‘a friend’ is don’t you?

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Nope – safe to say he doesn’t understand that friend concept after seeing these vids!

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            Thanks for that IG! And he didn’t even say it ironically, which made it seem worse/creepier!

    • PeaceMaker

      Thanks for catching that. I’ve been keeping an eye on the videos, noticing that it had been a couple of days since the last – and hoping against hope that maybe we were finally done with them. Oh, well….

      The “hard cuts” that you note are kind of interesting. I still suspect that the videos might have been produced under something like the arrangement that is first set out. And it appears to me that Rathbun or some less than professional helper has been doing the final editing. My guess is that whoever was the documentarian or interviewer, mostly sat and listened, but must have occasionally made simple responses, even “unh-huh” that were edited out, probably in a first pass of editing and perhaps before Rathbun was given material to tinker with. The video starts out with Rathbun seemingly increasingly tired, and saying something almost nonsensical, so I wonder whether he cut out ramblings that were just getting too far afield, or the original producers cut out material that somehow they found beyond the pale or even becoming libelous.

      Does anyone who has paid a bit more attention to these, perhaps with an eye trained from experience with video production, have an explanation for what it is that makes the cuts seem so “hard”?

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Generally speaking, if cuts are necessary a more pro video would use the multiple camera angles as a means to transition without the “hard cut” effect. As they’ve changed perspective in these at times, even just switching to a close-up perspective, that could’ve been used to transition more softly. There have only been 1-2 other times (that I recall) thus far where they cut like that so it definitely seems as though this was a post-production edit. Lastly, even my college-aged son has an opening & closing credit sequence on his YT channel – EASY to do at home. These are designed to appear more amateur but the lighting, makeup & overall “set” give away that it’s not.

    • Mark Fulton

      Many more hard cuts than I have seen in the other videos. Must be queue for a certain audience.

      And while others have noted him ‘talking to someone’ before, Marty went out of his way to acknowledge someone being there, so much I even noticed it!

  • Lily2

    Hey, where are all the celebrity Scientologists?!? Where is Tom Cruise, or “read the book” Travolta at? Why is no one coming out and defending their church if it really is that beautiful? Are they really That clueless? That’s really my question. What Calvery Baptist Church is doing, in publically coming out, with no fear and basically saying “bring it, we’re ready” is for lack of a better word, epic. I’m beyond thrilled and hopeful that this simmering volcano 🌋 will begin to give off some odorous (I love that word!) smoke. Thank you Pastor Willy Rice and congregation. Tony, always so appreciative of all you continue to do day in and out.

    • PeaceMaker

      It will be interesting to see if they do weigh in now – or, especially, if they have a role when (and if) SuMP actually produces some sort of programming, which the members have apparently been lead to believe is going to be so impactful that it will turn Scientology’s fortunes around.

      Actually, one of my recent speculations was that Scientology might have originally imagined that SuMP would attract cooperation from religious groups on programming opportunities – and be having trouble coming up with material to go live with, after find out that wasn’t forthcoming, and the sort of organizations sending representatives to the occasional event, weren’t willing to be so publicly aligned with the CofS. This new debacle may be the first, really obvious sign that the mainstream religious community regards Scientology with real distrust, or worse.

    • Liberated

      Good question, yeah where are all the celebrity scientologists ?

      At least Krusty could come and speak to the congregation in her classy ladylike ways.

  • Just can’t be too happy about this story. Calvary Chapel is a troubled organization with its own history of authoritarianism and abuse. Though very different in style and canon, Chuck Smith and L. Ron Hubbard’s egos were cut from very similar cloth. I’m glad that other denominations are speaking out against the abuses of the church of Scientology, but it takes real chutzpah when you own closet is full of so many bones. I imagine that the response will be swift and savage. My cousin and her first husband were founding members of Smith’s super hippy “Jesus freak” congregation. Her marriage to an emotionally abusive man went on way too long because of harsh “counseling” they received at the Mother Church in Orange County. After years of being told everything was her fault and that her husband was the head of the household, she left her husband and the church, taking their two daughters with her. She was ostracized for it, losing most of her friends in the church and leaving Orange County for good. Maybe they’re reformed since Smith died in 2013, but I doubt it.

    • PeaceMaker

      It don’t appear that Calvary Church in Clearwater is part of Calvary Chapel, though I can’t immediately determine their affiliation – if any.

      EDIT/ADD: Calvary is part of the Florida Baptist Convention, and part of the Southern Baptist Convention (they’re in the SBC church locator – along, surprisingly, with a small nearby storefront church in the non-Southern town where I live)
      http://flbaptist.org/clearwaters-calvary-church-celebrates-150-years-of-faithfulness/

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        “The oldest Baptist church in Clearwater” doesn’t sound like it could be a Calvary Chapel church because Calvary Chapel was founded in 1965 and is Evangelical not Baptist.

        • Glen

          Founded in 1866 as Midway Baptist Church. In 1923 adopted the name Calvary Baptist Church of Clearwater.

          • Sine qua non

            I’m guessing it’s Southern Baptist Convention. That denomination party line is typical social conservative (pro-life, no women ordained, etc.) but that is doesn’t mean every SBC member thinks that way, or that every congregation is that conservative. And even if they were, they wouldn’t be abusive like Scientology is. As a liberal Christian, I would not personally join that church, but that doesn’t mean it’s full of mean, bigoted, unreasonable people. I think this Aftermath partnership is a good thing. We need all the help we can get.

            • MarcabExpat

              A good point. And this conservative status is not historically part of the Baptist tradition – they took a hard right turn in the 70’s and a lot of Baptists never were down with that. They and their descendants are still there, and still raising hell. My grandmother was a pro-choice matriarch and pillar of her local First Baptist long before all that 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      With a little love and some tenderness
      We’ll walk upon the water
      We’ll rise above the mess
      With a little peace and some harmony
      We’ll take the world together
      We’ll take them by the hand

      — unknown 20th century philosopher poet

      • Gus Cox

        Hey, I’m a Hootie fan and not ashamed to admit it!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Have you seen that documentary about Lonnie Frisbee?

      • I know! What a trippy hippy. Such a conflicted soul, and what a sad end.

    • Glen

      Artoo, sorry about the experience your cousin had. Like Peacemaker a little earlier, I have been trying to see if there are links between Calvary Chapel and Calvary Baptist. I have not been able to find them. Can you point me in a direction?

      To me, it seems like Willy Rice is cut from a different and far more humane cloth than Chuck Smith.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        I posted above – this is a Baptist church, not part of the Chuck Smith Calvary’s.

      • I once was blind, but now I see that it’s a different Calvary chapel.

        • ReneeG

          Lol. I c whut u did there….

    • Missionary Kid

      There are a lot of independent churches that have the same name. Fundamentalist churches like to include words like Calvary, Covenant, Biblical, The Promise, The Rock, Calvary Bible, Trinity, Savior, Our Savior, Christ, Bible, Victory, and Chapel. The list is endless. Just because two churches have the same name doesn’t mean they are affiliated.

      • Never let it be said that I didn’t jump to conclusions enthusiastically.

    • Twoftmama

      According to Calvary Chapel’s website, (Calvary Church Finder), there isn’t a church in Clearwater affiliated with Calvary Chapel. The name is a coincidence. 🙂

      • AntoniaW

        phew!!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      This isn’t a “Calvary Chapel” as part of the Chuck Smith group of churches. This is a Baptist church that is separate from them totally. There are definitely some “interesting” doctrines and expectations within the CS Calvary’s and I’m SO sorry for how your cousin was treated – that’s wrong, abusive on top of her previous abuse and inexcusable from a place she should’ve been able to feel safe!

      • That’s good to know. I suppose that there are lots of Christian churches using that Name that predate Smith’s group and that they’re not affiliated. Thanks, Jennyfurrrr. My cousin is happily remarried and living up in Oregon. We’re going to go stay with her to watch the eclipse on August 21.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          How fun! I know a few people headed up that way to see it – should be fantastic plus OR is so beautiful in the summer! She’s blessed to have you! I hope you guys will take pics of the eclipse – and especially you two – that I can see! I’m dying for LaVera’s, sister-time, the nephew & nieces, so it’s time to get a trip planned and hopefully get to hang out with you guys!

          My sister attends & used to work for the Calvary in RP that used to use the Performing Arts Center before they got their own building. They’re technically SBC also & don’t like the assumed association for some of the same reasons you shared.

    • Robert Eckert

      The pastor says this is the oldest Baptist church in the community, so it probably predates Chuck Smith’s birth by a century or more.

  • Fink Jonas

    Genius!!!! move from Leah and Mike, they will not only gain support by the Christians but; by making Scientology fair game the Baptist, the scienos will be placing the nails on their own coffin. I hope they show them the OT8 material where Hubbard claims he “unwillingly” has become to fulfil the prophecy of the Bible regarding the Antichrist. Looks like is about to go down. hooo this is fun!!!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e9c3d9d28ae11ac0ef60c9e7b29feb47bb3886a8b1600495fbdd111df5838b2.png

    • MarcabExpat

      “Unwillingly” my ass. He reveled in all that stuff.

      He wanted to smash his name in to history? Well, he’ll go down in infamy.

  • It’s a bit of a culture shock, from a UK Point of view, to see Churches with such large membership and influence. – but the fact that one is speaking out against Scientology is highly significant.

    One of things that has possibly protected the CofS from IRS action (and official action in general) is that, if called to account, they might be supported by other religious organisations who are afraid of ‘thin end of the wedge’ – afraid that, if Scientology is sanctioned, they might be in future.

    This Church standing against them in public establishes Scientology’s abuses as a something which cannot be ignored. The argument that these abuses are not religious in nature will also emerge, and prevent useful idiots falling for it in future. There is, after all, ample evidence that L Ron Hubbard and Scientology adopted ‘the religion angle as a cynical way in which to avoid tax and hide behind the US constitution.

    Instead of standing uncomfortably beside the CofS, because it is expedient, the pastor seems to have recognised that their claim to religious status is a pretence and isn’t afraid to say so, right in the heart of Clearwater. In future, other religious organisations will find it more difficult to ignorantly defend Scientology, and he might ever start a trend of criticism.

    If Scientology were confronted by the IRS, it might now struggle to find support and the government argument might be supported by many more.

    It’s a powerful tactical move by Leah and Mike because they know that they only options open to Scientology, as per doctrine, is to attack – which will make matters infinitely worse. Better yet, its ‘leader’ understands nothing else. They’re damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

    What kind of statement can they make concerning the programme that will result from this?

    • Juicer77

      ^^^

    • Graham

      Your second paragraph: very important point. Excellent analysis as always O_B.

    • MarcabExpat

      Can’t upvote this enough. You understand the situation over here very well.

  • beauty for ashes

    Bunker, I have some sad news. Last night at 11:01 the nurses ceased life saving measures and the doctor pronounced my father dead . He went in for a nuclear stress test in the morning, had severe chest pains afterwards and had a heart attack and was rushed to the hospital. Surgery didn’t go well and they couldn’t get a stint in. I saw him briefly in the evening , but afraid of tiring him out we didn’t stay long, and thought we would see him tomorrow morning. I did say “goodbye Dad!” when I left, but I didn’t hear him answer. My Mom says he said good bye Beauty, and called me by my birth name not the nick name my family often calls me. <3
    I am glad when they called and told us I got my mom out of bed and we drove back. They didn't stop until we got there, and my mom was enough out of shock to make a decision. Bunker you would have been proud of my Mom. She was grateful too. We're all still in shock. My brother and his wife are here now.
    As much as I sometimes hated the jerk, 😉 I really really miss my Dad now that he is gone. I know he really wanted to go, and as hard as it is going to be without him, I am comforted by his swift passing. <3 <3 <3beauty

    • Qbird

      ah sweet Beauty… hugging you. i know how this feels. i’m with you.

      • beauty for ashes

        I just seems so impossible still.

        • Qbird

          yes it is. it feels ever so wrong. too sudden… a shock to the system.
          you will want to be very very gentle with yourself and all those surrounding you…
          all the loves around you
          you will help each other to get thru

          • beauty for ashes

            thank you Q <3 <3 <3

            • Qbird

              <3 beauty for ashes.. i just lost my sister, in a similar way.
              it is… hard. sorrow weighs heavy & the missing feels endless.
              But by god, I got to have her for all of my life.. and she was an amazing person.
              i didn't get to say goodbye, it was so so sudden, but i remember well our last conversation. i loved her & she knew it. She loved me back. i know it.
              i'll never forget.
              She is mine forever.
              your dad… same thing. forever in your heart & mind.
              true love works like that.

            • beauty for ashes

              I’m so sorry you lost your sister. I lost a sister too. The missing does seem endless, but it does get more bearable. For a good while I was completely lost to waves of grief. I think it prepared me for this. At least I hope it did.
              sisters are forever<3 <3 <3

    • UhLasare

      I’m so sorry. {{{HUGS}}}

    • Elegant Mess

      Oh Beauty, I’m so sorry. Love and hugs.

    • sizzle8

      A swift passing can be a silver lining. Hugs.

    • Liberated

      I’m so sorry love.

    • Glen

      So sorry for your loss, beauty.

    • TexasBroad

      Love and hugs. The next bit is hard. Take care of yourself through it all. I’m so sorry.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Words fail at times like these. Sincere condolences to you and yours. Come back whenever you want to. We’ll be here for you.

    • Juicer77

      So sorry. Sending much love to you and your whole family.

    • Jimmy3

      Sorry beauty :/

    • OOkpik

      (((Hugs))), Beauty.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Iam so sorry Beauty.
      Thinking of you and your family.

    • chukicita

      May memories bring you peace, beauty. *hugs*

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Beauty,
      I’m so sorry and thank you for taking the time & energy to post this! Thankful to hear you’re surrounded by your family & your Mom sounds like she handled things incredibly in such a swift, heartbreaking moment. Hugs from here – you & your family will be in my prayers for comfort and a sense of peace amidst your hearts hurting!

    • Scream Nevermore

      So sorry to hear this, Beauty. But as you say, he went quickly, with no pain and no distress.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Aw Beauty, I’m so sorry. Sending you comfort and hugs.

    • gtsix

      So sorry beauty. (((((Hugs)))))

    • bixntram

      Please accept my condolences. My mom died last October and I couldn’t get out to Tucson to see her one last time (though I did see her early last spring). I’m glad your mom made the right decision.

    • SarahDB

      (((((Hugs))))) so sorry for your loss Beauty.

    • MarcabExpat

      Many, many hugs and sympathy. I lost my grandmother in nearly the same way years ago, and know what you mean by “comforted by his swift passing.” I’m glad your family is together now and you can be there for your Mom. You guys all deserve each other’s strength right now. Peace…

    • Robert Eckert

      (((((((beauty)))))))

      • beauty for ashes

        Aww Robert, This just made me cry for you. <3 <3 <3
        ((((((((((((((Robert)))))))))))))))))))))))

    • Quick empathy

      Much love going your way to you and your family….

    • ReneeG

      Sorry for your loss. It’s never easy.

  • UhLasare

    Marty Rathbun Now

    (Marty’s Leah Remini Video # 17)

    “One of the critical parts of the, of the Rinder/Ortega/Remini rollout of Remini, was the quote unquote missing Shelly Miscavige, the wife of David Miscavige.

    And uh, you know, at the time in 2013? I think it was. Rinder told me about that. That she was going to do a whole thing about ‘Where’s Shelly?’ and put the church in just an unbelievably terrible position, because it, you know he figured it all out, because he’s been in public relations his entire life and he figured it all out: there was going to be this untenable position where nobody could respond to it because it’s so personal and it’s so irrer…, it’s so, um, the accusation is so, um, one of those things that you, it’s like a ‘do you beat your wife?’, um, conundrum, right? The way they’re framing the, the accusation, that, that they can just go to town and make a, make it into a, you know a, series that, a serial that just keeps playing out. Right?

    And I said, ‘Mike, why, why would Leah do something like this, um, but you know, if she’s, has any concern about her, her, her own credibility and integrity? You know she’s not missing! You know that Leah Remini truly doesn’t have the rank to ask to know exactly where she is when and how she does her business. That just as much as she, that she, um, feels like, um, you know, that she needs the, the, the ability to be er where she, you know wherever she wants and associates with ever who she wants, Shelly has the exact same right! The last p…, and you know! That the last person in the world that she’d want to see is Leah Remini. Or Mike Rinder…’ ”

    Marty Rathbun Then

    (Screenshots from his own blog posts)

    “Eva, Manuela, and Dave – Part II” September 28, 2009:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/98c12c8d8e36abab326395ff5459e97f965eba3dcf962226d0e55d17762c3ac9.png

    “Stepping Out of Line” February 22, 2010:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca463b3b85f4bf0740f00b28f62d858764bdefd6b80359673088d0c60a0d7104.png

    “Cruise Missile or Scud?” April 12, 2010:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d7dc1fcaa5fd9402304bec9b27ab3d8b8a9d6192e4a1083b4acad820ed6106c8.png

    “Tom Cruise’s Life Controlled by Sinister Cult” January 31, 2011:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec0b5e216fcd8d699ab73f991f8ba265a83dc7b386116fa4da9ef24f91b11e77.png

    “Miscavige and Misogyny” March 3, 2012

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bab195d287af2042fa6bab727a0e29783a537f9eff9ff103cf33b5d663d6a89c.png

    “Trained to Lie” Dec 18, 2013

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/496e33cf7a125926931062e6a20587ad3cce64b452c8b4ef67b8298aa9874d4a.png

    BONUS MATERIAL!!!

    From Marty’s Blog post titled “Eva, Manuela, and Dave – Part II” September 28, 2009:

    “…The more Shelly seperated herself out from DM’s valence, the more he
    distanced himself from her and confided in his troika of adoring
    associates, Laurisse (Lou) Stuckenbrock (for many years COB’s
    Communicator), Jenny Devocht Linsen (Hole I/C, currently D/CO CMO INT
    for WDC), and Angie Blankenship (COB Programs Ops, Hole I/C, and
    currently WDC for Ideal Orgs)…”

    • sizzle8

      Excellent post!

    • Gus Cox

      Fuck Rathbun.

    • Liberated

      I used to babysit Angie Blankenship, isn’t she blown now ?

      • Dchoiceisalwaysrs

        The mention of her was in 2009, so very good chance it is not the same now.

      • gtsix

        Blown and supposedly paid very handsomely to keep her yap shut.

    • J. Swift

      Marty keeps digging his own personal hell deeper and deeper.

    • 0tessa

      Looks to me Shelly was/is a victim of torture plain and simple.
      Rathbun is a witness to that.
      Where is the justice department?

      • MaxSpaceman

        in Washington DC ?

        • 0tessa

          That is the question.

    • pluvo

      Excellent compilation. Marty is in opposite land obeying DM and forwarding his smear and lying campaign.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      This is fantastic! Thank you for finding and putting this all together – the denial of her being “missing” coupled with the horrid statement that it was all a made-up scam was disgusting to me & this is THE best response to it!
      Bonus points for Bonus Material – wow even Troika is unoriginal!

      • UhLasare

        When I found the troika quote, I looked for more hits of that word on his blog. Google came up with a pretty big list of blog posts containing the word. Many are pre-2017. Dozens of uses, possibly.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Oh wow – good find! It was just such an odd term to choose. But then he does like to put his own twist on things and use his “special” terms. What’s the one he’s used a lot lately – where he took a word & made it sound Latin-ized? I’m blanking but laugh everytime I hear it!

          • UhLasare

            Fora?

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              That one too… but no. Shoot – now I have to go find it so it’ll stop bugging me – I think he used it in Aaron’s or the couple before that…

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Pronunciamento!!! He’s been using it a BUNCH!

            • UhLasare

              Oh, yeah. There’s a bunch we could choose from. 🙂

    • AntoniaW

      Truly useful take-down of poor ole Brown-Jacket’s bullshit. But what I don’t understand is this: can the Dwarfenfuhrer really be so dumb as to imagine that Marty’s ramblings represent value for money? He looks ill, he sounds confused, he’s clearly lying, and this is supposed to be some kind of effective anti-Aftermath counter-attack??? I am deeply baffled.

      • MaxSpaceman

        better a sick rambling parrot than not, as far as Dave’s concerned

      • MarcabExpat

        I don’t think he want’s Marty’s words to have any value at all. I think he wants them to be worthless, because then he’s completely discredited. If half of what he says contradicts the other half, obviously the guy’s a nut case and you can’t take his word for anything.

        Result: once formidable foe reduced to a null. Bonus. it’s fun torturing him in the process.

    • Quick empathy

      Well roll out Shelly and have her tell everyone “I’m fine and exactly where I want to be.”. Denying that there is a plot to keep her out of public eye is confirmation that something foul is going on.

  • Gus Cox

    I’m not Christian, but God bless ’em. I’m going to send them a small donation just because they have some integrity.

    • Juicer77

      Donations will probably flood in, and watch: they will put every penny into the food bank or homeless shelter fund.

      • MarcabExpat

        Which will in turn feed actual hungry people and shelter actual homeless people.

        I bet their ‘customers’ eat better than the Sea Org.

  • J. Swift

    I am so glad to see Pastor Willy Rice stepping up and showing the world what a Man of God should do when confronted with an evil cult in his own hometown. I am glad to hear this news that Clearwater Baptist is throwing down the gauntlet in its willingness to expose the Satanic cult of Scientology.

    The Church of Scientology is wily and deceptive. They pretend to be ecumenical but they’re not. IMO, Scientology will either go on the warpath or play persecuted victim. They may even ask to send over envoys to get Clearwater Baptist to cancel Leah’s appearance.

    The apostle Paul:

    Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. — Ephesians 6:11-13

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And may I add Ephesians 6:14: ““Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;”

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Love this – thanks for posting it! I’m SO thankful to see a church and its leadership step up to the plate in courage & WELCOME so that all affected may share and many new eyes will be opened to what’s going on. Especially in Clearwater – this has the potential to create a much wider net for those that want to leave or succeed in escaping to have a safe place to go while they figure out a next step!

    • That quote reminds me of the great Max Romeo song “Chase The Devil”, which I’ve always found relevant to the struggle against the “world’s most sinister scam”.
      “I’m going to put on an iron shirt
      And chase the devil out of earth
      I’m going to send him to outer space
      To find another race”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpIAc9by5iU

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Well this has the potential to be quite awkward. Scientology finds itself in the position of accusing Clearwater’s oldest religious community of… religious bigotry…?

    • Juicer77

      Zactly. And it shows a willingness to communicate freely with the community. Good for all of them, and for Calvary Baptist for making everyone welcome. That’s what real churches are for.

    • OOkpik

      My guess is that they will continue to attack the Aftermath team rather than Calvary or the pastor.
      Edited for clarity.

      • Juicer77

        Not if they are smart. Heh heh heh.
        Big churches like Calvary have a tremendous community presence. Not only are their public spaces open for use (support groups, scouts, social events), but they are known widely as places where you can get food and other kinds of assistance. I would bet money that Pastor Rice and the Calvary team have counseled and helped more than one escaped Scientologist.

  • Juicer77

    Going to see if outsiders can sign up for the prayer team.I’d like to show support in a meaningful way.

    • Jimmy3

      For 10 theta quid, I’ll teach you how to pray without having to sign up.

      • Juicer77

        Done! But if it involves getting on my knees, deal’s off.

  • 0tessa

    Bravo pastor Willy Rice. You are a true ecclesiastical leader.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Pastor Rice is quoted in this article about the FLAG building opening in 2013: http://www.christianpost.com/news/fla-christian-pastors-express-concern-over-scientology-presence-in-their-city-109114/

    William Rice, senior pastor at Calvary Baptist Church, told The Christian Post that he considered the strong presence of Scientology in Clearwater to be “a great sorrow to us.”

    “I would say that a vast majority of people in our area view Scientology in a negative fashion and with great distrust. Regardless of religious beliefs or church affiliation, most people here do not trust the Church of Scientology,” said Rice.

    “They have a long history of lies and deception. Even the events surrounding this opening have been characterized by arrogance and disregard for the normal laws and regulations of our city.”

    …Rice of Calvary Baptist told CP that there needed to be more awareness of “this dangerous group” among everyday Americans.

    “We need to be better informed so we can have intelligent discussions with those in and out of Scientology,” said Rice.

    “We need to pray that their unethical conduct will continue to be exposed (as has started to happen with several recent books) and that their doctrine will be seen for the deception that it truly is.”

    • Juicer77

      Great find. I commented below that Pastor Rice has probably more experience than he would like counseling escaped Scientologists.

  • Juicer77
  • chukicita

    So about four hours ago, or 1:30 AM locally, poor Amber posted on a vanity news site about a “monthly” tour of the Ft Harrison open to the public, scheduled for July 29:

    ===
    “CLEARWATER, Fla., July 13, 2017 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) — The Church of
    Scientology Flag Service Organization invites the Tampa Bay community to
    its monthly tour of the Historic Fort Harrison on July 29th.
    The tour will take place from 1:30pm-3:30pm at 210 South Fort Harrison.
    Those interested in attending may RSVP to Amber Skjelset, tour hostess
    and Manager of the Scientology Information Center to participate…

    …In February this year, the Church began hosting monthly historic building tours of the Fort Harrison.

    “We started the monthly Historic Fort Harrison Tours as a fun way for the
    community to revisit their past or just see this magnificent building
    for the first time,” said Ms. Skjelset.

    There is no cost to attend. Light Refreshments served. Dressy casual attire is recommended.”
    ===

    The release goes on to request that you RSVP to Amber about your plans to attend this building tour. Evidently she is waiting for your call.

    Wait, there’s a dress code? Dressy casual attire is recommended? What the hell is “dressy casual?” Is it a film shoot or a building tour? Will I have to sign a non-disclosure agreement, or give permission to use my image?

    Amber’s job responsibilities must have expanded recently. Typically she is churning out press releases for one of the Potemkin Village of front groups; here, though, she is repping CSFSO.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Oh, the temptation to email her about the dress code is strong!

      • OOkpik

        Were you planning on wearing your Zenu or HowdyCon T-shirt? You could always add a few sequins.

        • Scream Nevermore

          I have a chic little velvet number, with Leah’s face picked out in sequins and diamante. Would go nicely with the jeans with Miss Cabbage’s face painted on the arse!

          • OOkpik

            Haha. Perfect!

        • chukicita

          I might need to bedazzle my Scientology Kills shirt.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Is it a film shoot or a building tour? Will I have to sign a non-disclosure agreement, or give permission to use my image?”

      Pretext to bring bodies IN Flag, take pictures and use them for “unprecedented expansion” propaganda?

    • EmmaDaoust

      Amber Skillset? These scientologists are so aptly named. Last night Dice posted a bit about the Volunteer Ministers headed by Glendy Goodsell doing a Clearwater neighbourhood cleanup.

    • Quick empathy

      What tour of any facility requires a dress code? And a RSVP? I wouldn’t be surprised if they put on a full force attempt for donations to get out of the building!!

      • chukicita

        i’m thinking it’s a photo op – only time they’ll get humans in the building.

    • Kaarli Makela

      It will give eager property buyers a sneak-preview before The Fort Harrison eventually goes on the deep discount sale!
      <3 (Visualizing My Way to the Best of All Possible Worlds Over Here!) <3

    • Kaarli Makela

      When people tour our Historic Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village here in Metro-Detroit, the punters get to see demonstrations like historic black-smithing, glass-blowing, and a guy dressed like Ben Franklin cracking-wise …
      The Historic Fort Harrison under Scientology Management should offer Balcony Bunjee-Jumps for Your Life, The Spooky Tunnel Tour to the Cave of Horrors in the Basement, and Talking Automatons of L Ron and the Mrs casually inventing ‘thetans’ on the very first iteration of an e-meter ever cobbled together … geared to the original recording, of course!

  • Scream Nevermore

    Hope he has good security. And no pets for them to poison.

  • Newiga

    Morning, early crew! Been buried with work for the past couple of days, so I have some catching up to do. Brought you breakkie! f5

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/06/36/66/063666274487a2906f1ea49f39d3672f–romantic-breakfast-champagne-breakfast.jpg

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Where’s the coffee? I see no coffee!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I was hoarding it, but I’ll share with you Eivol. I’m so tired I was trying to fill an IV bag with it. 😀

        • Missionary Kid

          Au Lait, or regular coffee?

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Straight today. I feel like a zombie. I even went dark roast. Didn’t go chicory though, I’m not working a 24 hour shift. LOL

      • Newiga

        I drank it all!

  • Sejanus

    This…is awesome!

  • Bert Allen

    Impressive letter from the pastor. It appears that he understands the risks of publicly supporting COS enemies, and is willing to push forward and encourage others to take a stand based on his christian values. The Stand is one of my favorite books and TV miniseries. I don’t use that term lightly.

    • Philby

      It’s very easy to get the Catholics riled about Co$, can’t wait til September! lol

    • Kaarli Makela

      And the pastor teaches rational argumentation tools! What’s next, critical tools? This is a slippery slope I can get with. (y) 😉

  • Kid Kat

    You can bet the farm that DM will make sure TCruise is out of town for this event. Or maybe he’ll use Tom as his attack dog.

    • Philby

      Rabid Crazy Dogs are usually put down by the Dog Catcher tho…Dog Catcher in the Pieface!

  • PickAnotherID

    Is there a pool on how long after the doors open on the 22nd before $cientology tries to disrupt the proceedings??

    • MarcabExpat

      Back in the day I would have said they’d be camped out overnight to be on the ground before anybody else.

      Now, I’m betting they’ll pretend it’s not happening. There’s no way anything they can do won’t play exactly into Rindini’s hands.

      • PickAnotherID

        Ummmm…Somehow I just can’t see ‘Footbullets-R-Us’, aka $cientology, ignoring this. I suspect some, “Over zealous individuals acting on their own.”, will show up. Probably to ask, “What are your crimes?” during open question time.

        • MarcabExpat

          I can’t see them actually organizing something, though, whether they make it seem like lone individuals or not. The whole Aftermath agenda is just too toxic. Better to tell them to stay away and link to more Marty videos.

          I mean, Clearwater was deserted the day Tony and Paulette rode into town. A quartet of pitiful “zealous individuals” did put in a slapstick appearance and were quickly laughed offstage, but the days of “confront and shatter” are over. At best, I think they’ll have PIs photographing people who come and go, and their license plates.

          • RexAinsfree

            True. I hate that sneaky ‘religious PI’ crap part of the fake religion.

      • RexAinsfree

        ‘Rindini’, I like it 🙂

    • Quick empathy

      I thought that too. As much attention this is getting in the media a rabid zealot from scientology would be a bad thing for Co$.

    • Juicer77

      I bet Mike and Leah will have run through the possible scenarios, and more importantly will keep cool heads throughout.

    • Kaarli Makela

      How would they ‘manage’ to attempt a disruption in front of big network TV cameras? What would they think was clever? Perhaps ‘Religious Bigot’ signs? Should AGP fly-in to challenge them? Should Anonymous perhaps appear? Let the fur fly, I say! The more the merrier! 😀
      Mike probably has an idea what to watch out for … and the producers’ experience from last season must have prepared them for all the security requirements needed.
      I must pick up some pop corn!

  • pkatz

    The empty lot in contention between Scn and the Aquarium was the former site of Calvary Baptist Church, directly behind the Ft. Harrison Hotel, before the move to the present location on McMullen Booth Rd. Amirite?

  • Barbara

    Wow…this gets good now…Christians vs Scientologist

  • Doug Parent

    In the cults eyes this is a huge hostile open “Committee of Evidence” in the cults own neighborhood. The C of S is really pulling it in and deservedly so. All the years of injustice, crushing any dissent or attempts to expose the abuses within, the deliberate attacks on a Scientologists livelihood, family and security is coming back to bite them in the ass right in their own backyards. Bravo to Leah, Mike and everyone involved in speaking out against the abusive practices and bravo to ANYONE who raises their hand in protest. I find it fitting to use Hubbards own words, …..” Constant and continual alertness is the price of freedom. Constant willingness to fight back is the price of freedom. There is no other price, actually.”

  • Bob

    Good article on Mikes blog site by Brian Lambert.

  • Bob

    Pastor Rice is couragious in opening his doors to a public forum that will expose the evil that dwells in the center of Clearwater. As true information about the cult becomes more and more accessible to the general public I think the public will become less and less tolerant of scientologies toxic and exploitive practices.
    Scientology has fully taken on the mantle that the Moonys have worn for so many years.

    • Kaarli Makela

      I am certain that Moonys advised Hubbard or Co$ on something … this went on, I just forget the particulars I came accross, which was from an experienced old-timer.

  • Quick empathy

    Wait for it….. Another crazy eye Marty video on this development!

  • Dan Lybarger

    Thanks, Tony. This makes me proud of my Baptist upbringing!

  • Looks like more work for Marty. DM is going to wear the poor guy out.

    • FredEX2

      And then he’ll discard him. Capitulation is very low on the ‘tone scale’…and it appears Marty has capitulated completely.

  • KKat

    This is what I consider to be True Christianity. Thank you Pastor Willy Rice.

  • aquaclara

    This church was located in the belly of the beast for MANY years — right on Fort Harrison Street in downtown Clearwater. They are a well-known, service-committed Christian church with open doors for all, and have many residents of Clearwater among their members.

    This is a tremendous service by the church for the residents of Clearwater. And they know what Scientology has done to the city of Clearwater.

    I’m applauding their excellent decision. This is powerful.

    Thank you, Calvary Baptist Church.

  • Squints

    Just getting caught up. I bet ittybitty just about exploded when he read this.

  • Jen Chapman

    Will there be live streaming of this event? I hope so!

    • madame duran

      The event is being recorded for a future episode of “Aftermath”. It’s unlikely that the show’s producers will allow any sneak preview of it until the episode finally airs (sometime this summer. August was the projected time). Personally, I hope someone will at least record a live audio stream or that the producers will permit the church to make a full and separate recording of the event on the condition that it won’t publish it until A&E airs its episode first. Waiting on pins and needles!!

      • Jen Chapman

        Me too – if people could watch and Tweet about it live, I think it would bring a lot more attention to the show. But if I have to wait for Season 2, it will be well worth it I’m sure!

  • Kaarli Makela

    Does my heart good on so many levels …

  • BuberZionist

    A & E denies it planned a public event at the church. It said it has interviewed people there. http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/calling-scientology-a-dangerous-cult-calvary-baptist-church-pastor/2330358

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      New Post is Up regarding this…