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Source: Scientology ship avoiding Dutch waters after evading surprise government search

 
One of the reasons that L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, invaded the town of Clearwater, Florida in 1975 to make it Scientology’s “spiritual” headquarters, was that he was running out of ports where he was welcome. Hubbard had set sail in 1967 with a ragtag group of young followers who traveled with him on three ships, eventually renamed the Apollo, the Athena, and the Diana. For the next eight years, Hubbard ran the worldwide organization from the Apollo, his flagship, except for several months he spent hiding out in a couple of apartments in Queens, New York in 1972-1973.

One of the reasons why the small armada kept on the move through the Mediterranean, the Atlantic, and finally the Caribbean was that it got chased away from numerous ports by governments that eventually figured out what was going on and that the ships were not a floating “school,” as the cover story went. Finally, with very few ports left, in 1975 Hubbard made plans to come back to land, and surreptitiously began buying up properties in Clearwater while hiding out in Daytona.

Today, Scientology carries on its sailing tradition with the Freewinds, a private cruise ship which is the only place where wealthy Scientologists can attain the highest step on the “Bridge to Total Freedom,” the auditing level known as “Operating Thetan Eight.” (For a fun look at OT 8’s wacky early history, see our story about a man named George White.) The Freewinds also hosts other expensive week-long seminars for Scientologists, and it is the site of a very special week of festivities known as “Maiden Voyage,” which takes place in June and commemorates the formal launching of the Freewinds as Scientology’s ultimate destination in 1988.

For many years, the Freewinds for the most part plied a set pattern between three Netherlands-aligned Caribbean islands just off the coast of Venezuela: Aruba, Bonaire, and Curaçao, also known as the ABC Islands. Wealthy Scientologists ready for their OT 8 experience would fly to the islands from Miami by way of Cartagena in Colombia.

 

 
But now, we have reason to believe that the Freewinds is beginning to learn what it was like for the Apollo before it, which found fewer and fewer ports it could visit.

From time to time, we hear from a tipster in the Netherlands who works extremely hard to make members of the government there aware of the Church of Scientology and its controversies. And one thing he focused on in particular was making the Dutch government aware that the Freewinds was using the lax oversight of the ABC Islands to its advantage.

If you’re one of our veteran readers, you know about the horror stories of the Freewinds. Valeska Paris, for example, says she was a virtual prisoner on the ship for some eleven years in a plot to keep her from her mother, who had sued the church. And Ramana Dienes-Browning told us about the degrading experiences she went through, also as a young Sea Org official on the ship.

There’s also the harrowing story of Don Jason, told so well by the Tampa Bay Times, and his story of escape from the ship. Shouldn’t the Dutch government be interested that a ship that holds the passports of its crew and regulates their lives so closely is using its ports?

Our tipster claims that his hard work eventually paid off. He tells us that the Dutch government planned to board and inspect the ship in Bonaire early last year. (Bonaire is formally a part of the Netherlands itself; the other two ABC Islands, Aruba and Curaçao, are nominally independent nations in “the Kingdom of the Netherlands.”)

“The Freewinds sailed away the day before the search was planned,” our tipster says, and he adds that the Dutch government admitted to him that the church had found out about the plan and were able to sail away before the ship was boarded. A year later, this past March Scientology lawyers visited Bonaire government offices, trying to quash any further plans for inspections, our source tells us.

As evidence, he shared with us an email from a Dutch government official discussing the planned inspection and the subsequent visit by the Scientology attorneys.

In the email, the official indicated that the Dutch government is still interested in pursuing a criminal investigation of the Church of Scientology. Our source says the Scientology lawyers apparently became aware of this, and now the ship is avoiding Dutch waters entirely.

Records of the ship’s sailing history appear to confirm this. We looked at data from the Freewinds going back to 2015, when the ship visited Bonaire more than 60 times that year. But then in early 2016, when the search was supposed to happen, the Freewinds suddenly stopped visiting Bonaire. It eventually made two more visits to Bonaire in July 2016, but it hasn’t been back since then.

From about July 2016 to early March 2017, the Freewinds spent almost all its time at the two other ABC Islands — Aruba and Curaçao. (One exception was a month in dry dock in Cartagena for repairs in September 2016.)

Then, at some point the Scientology attorneys learned that the Dutch government still plans to pursue criminal charges if more evidence showed up.

On March 10 the ship left Curaçao, and it hasn’t been back in Dutch waters since.

“Since then, the Freewinds has been docked almost permanently in St. Lucia,” our tipster tells us. “It has made the occasional day trip to a neighboring island, but hasn’t returned to the Dutch Antilles in months, which is not its usual pattern.”

St. Lucia is a sovereign nation. Do we have any tipsters who can begin informing its government about Scientology’s controversies?

 

 
UPDATE: Although there are no dates on the email from the Dutch government official, our source says that based on the shipping data, he believes the initial surprise search may have been planned for a few months earlier, back to about September 2015, and not January 2016. Also, we don’t have a date for the visit by the Scientology attorneys in Bonaire. But we do know with certainty that on March 10, 2017, the Freewinds left Curaçao, and hasn’t been back in Dutch waters since then.

 
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Rathbun hits the troika

Yesterday, Marty Rathbun named us as one of the “troika” he’s been hinting about. Rather than make an acceptance speech, we decided to reprint what another member of this exclusive club, Mike Rinder, had to say about it at his website yesterday:

I have declined to comment about Marty Rathbun until now for two reasons:

1. I had no additional information about him than anyone else did, though people assumed otherwise. Therefore, I could only speculate about his actions and why he would do and say the things he did. I try to avoid speculating, I would rather deal in verifiable facts.

2. I considered him a friend and someone who had helped me when I was first leaving Scientology. He was in a unique position as few had similar experiences in the Sea Org and with Miscavige as me, so it was easy for him to understand. I will always be grateful to him for that – he and Jason Beghe dropped everything and flew overnight to Denver when Monique Yingling and Bill Walsh came to try to “handle” me – those sort of acts of friendship I do not forget.

The thing I find most reprehensible is to turn on those who had been friends – from Monique’s lawyers to virtually everyone he had connected with since leaving Scientology. I find this sad and ugly, and I am not inclined to do the same with respect to him.

I said above that I had no additional information – but now that he has made claims about me and Leah and Tony personally he has put me in a position where I DO because I know the details of which he speaks. I will respond simply: Marty is rewriting history (much of which he wrote himself in his earlier versions of events), recounting things that never happened and assigning motives to people that appear to be the fruits of his imagination. And he is laughably trying to create upset between me, Leah and Tony Ortega as if any of us would believe him. Beyond that I am not going to dignify his craziness with specific responses. And I still don’t have any information that sheds light on why he is doing what he is doing.

That being said, I sincerely believe Marty should seek professional help. He has lost touch with reality. He appears delusional and is convinced the spiders he sees all over the walls are real — and that it is his duty to earnestly explain his imaginary spiders to the world. I am saddened to watch it happening, wishing there was something I could do to help him, like he once helped me.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Says our tipster, who received this mailing at home: “Looks like they’re doing some direct mailing now! Unfortunately, as you can see, their stamp has seen better days and some poor sap has to hand write the rest of their address.”

 

 
Having a hard time staffing up that snazzy new joint in San Diego? Shocking.

 

 
Hey, Dave, it’s the solstice, the first day of summer. Wasn’t Scientology TV supposed to start by today? What gives?

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here for details.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,788 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,545 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,891 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,385 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,425 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,137 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 663 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,752 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,892 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,212 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,187 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 543 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,845 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 952 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,354 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,227 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 808 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,313 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,557 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,666 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 21, 2017 at 07:00

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  • Sejanus

    Mike always seems so gentlemanly.
    I think he is right though and a certain someone does need some real therapy.

  • Almost in St Louis area to take my adult children to dinner and then arrive in Denver Thursday tomorrow for a party and hopefully clear out some body thetans this weekend. Brought lots of rackets and balls but if they don’t find use in the thin air of Denver then its probably because the party was enough exercise and fun which is always a good thing. Just realized that I haven’t had my son and daughter with me alone with three of us in six years as they went thru college six years apart and we only visited at family gatherings or they visited me separately. We are seeing Wonderwoman after eating in University City and dessert at Ted Drews frozen custard. My daughter pays her own place as of next Tuesday, lol. Hurts a bit knowing she won’t be asking for help with bills anymore. At least I will meet her new boyfriend on Monday. She always chooses men well so he has a high bar set already, lol. See ya all who are going to Howdycon.

    • Tony Ortega

      Cool!

    • flyonthewall

      Cicero’s is closing for good soon.

    • Sounds like a wonderful road trip. I’m only sorry Butch and I can’t do the road trip thing this time. Gotta fly to maximize time on the ground. Have a safe voyage. It’ll be a good time.

  • flyonthewall

    I’m sure that “a tipster in the Netherlands” is code for Interpol, AMA, CIA and/or SMERSH. Nice try though

  • Observer

    I’m bringing my good camera to HowdyCon, but not all my lenses and stuff, because my camera bag is literally a backpack, so I’m using a purse/camera bag combo. I have room for three lenses. The 70-300 zoom is definitely coming, butI can’t decide which two between my wide-angle, the Helios lens that does the cool swirly bokeh, and my basic 50mm.

    ETA: the Helios is 58mm f2.

    Camera buffs, what would you take?

    • Vaquera

      Wide angle and 50mm

    • Vaquera

      Bring a kind, soft focus lens filter? Asking for a friend.

      • Robert Hanna Moore

        Indoors: Flee from cameras with flash deployed!!!!

        • Observer

          My camera’s ISO goes up to 51,200, so flash is optional.

      • Kestrel

        Bless you, Vaquera. I was too shy to ask myself.

        • Vaquera

          I’m here for ya’.

      • Observer

        Soft focus is a filter thing, unless you want me to shoot you slightly out of focus. 😄

        • Vaquera

          I meant to say filter. Duh.

        • stanrogers

          The 85mm/2.2 Soft Focus lens works well. It’s just rare, expensive, and is only useful for shooting bowls of flowers for cheesy calendars and women who can’t seem to acept their own beauty. (Pssst: I do awesome retouches if they’re actually necessary. Not “plastic people” things either.)

      • EmmaDaoust

        They can just put Vaseline on your picture for you after they print it.

        ETA I mean your friend’s picture.

    • flyonthewall

      bring the one that makes it look like people are wearing funny hats and mustaches. Those crack me up every time

      • Puget Buckeye

        I like the ones that make you look taller and thinner.

    • A Leically story.

      • Observer

        Like I could afford one! 😂

        I’m a Pentax gal since 1981.

        • PeaceMaker

          Since the mid-70s, here.

          My latest Pentax came stock with an 18-55 zoom, which solves the need for wide-angle a lot of the time – I can recommend it, though I know it comes with some limitations.

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      Specs on the 50mm? Camera crop body or full?

    • PeaceMaker

      Wide angle. Good for giving a representation of a room that’s closer to human perspective, including peripheral vision – and for squeezing lots of people into a picture in a small room, which sounds like the requirement for the HowdyCon job.

      I don’t know what your wide-angle is, but mine zooms from 10-17, and at 17 isn’t too fisheye-y. I find 12 to 13 about right for that human perspective.

      I would have made it myself if only to drop in in person and try to make amends with a couple of people with whom I may have crossed swords online, but it simply wasn’t logistically possible this year.

      • salin

        pshaw – we are sheep on the troll farm, we don’t cross swords on line – we all just echo Tony, using the exact words. We aren’t discussing – we are doing typing practice copying the day’s edition, over and over again in dialogue boxes. ~sarcasm~

    • sizzle8

      widw angle for group shots and the 50mm.

    • stanrogers

      Assuming your camera is a 1.5X crop (if it’s a Pentax other than the K1, it is), then you’ll want something shorter than 35mm for sure. A 24mm would be ideal; a 28mm could be made to work. (A 28mm will get in a standing 6-footer from about 20 horizontally with good framing. I used to use one in a small studio for fashion-type stuff before full-frame was a Nikon thing.) If you have, or can beg, borrow or steal a bog-standard 18-55mm kit lens, it’d actually be well worth having along, even if it isn’t anywhere near your best lens. It’ll be slow, but Pentax does higher ISOs really well and you probably won’t have much use for super-shallow DoF at an event like that anyway.

      • Observer

        I’ve got a K-S2. The K-1 is too rich and too pro for my amateur blood.

        • stanrogers

          Then go for the cheap kit lens if you can. Really. Walls can be so unforgiving. The standard “good” lens is a rather expensive and bulky 24-70.

    • GrangerFX

      Tilt-shift so everyone looks tiny.

      • Rasha

        LOL!!!!

    • Rasha

      Wide angle for indoors, and the 50mm for street scenes. Do you have an external flash for bouncing off ceiling/walls?

      • Observer

        Yeah, but I haven’t used it. I pretty much shoot outdoors.

        • stanrogers

          TTL flash is magic. Niel van Niekerk will give you a quick everything-you-need in this (starting just after minute 49 and only taking a few minutes; I hope I’ve gotten the URL with time right)
          https://youtu.be/mMiYgxVTS_0?t=2943

        • Rasha

          Good for flash fill, but then your pics are already awesome, soooo…..

  • nottrue
    • What gave it away, the huge “Baby On Board” placard on the stern?

    • Observer

      Scientology convocation = gang bang crush regging

    • Liberated

      I think it’s about time DM added a PhD to his name – it would be very impressive and it might help with those sagging stats.

      • salin

        Not a PhD, an IDeal Degree – in a big shiny frame. From the non-accredited college of Hubbard Administration.

    • Storm Chaser

      “… dramatically tapered mountains, volcanic beaches, reef-diving sites, fishing villages, and an interior rainforest that leads to cliff-edge waterfalls…”, all sounds absolutely beautiful. I’m curious, do passengers aboard the Freewinds even get time to experience any of this? Are there any land excursions planned for paying members or are they all kept on the ship the entire time it’s at port?

      • Techie

        There are excursions planned every day. They are posted on a schedule board. Three wheeler trips, the beach, visit the waterfall, diving, the works. But you are also expected to take courses, two to five hours a day. And do special OT Ambassador seminars. For the Maiden Voyage Anniversary you absolutely must be in the audience for the nightly events, and take in the music show afterwards. And there are registrars that absolutely have to talk to you, mainly about whether you are going to be a Patron or something higher at the IAS Patron’s Ball mid-week. If you are not immediately willing to pony up a few hundred thousand you may spend a lot of time trying to fend off these registrars. The seminars are optional except you are likely to get in Ethics trouble if you don’t go. These are all about all the things you are going to do as an OT Ambassador when you get back home. When I was there they also had to watch the new film releases over and over. It seems unlikely that they are still re-re-re-re-releasing the films, but if so the public will spend a lot of time in the little theatre down on D Deck.So it is a little like the Hotel California, you can go ashore any time you like but you can never leave.

  • Richard

    So, Marty is calling Tony a sheep farmer. That’s pretty baaaaaaad. I guess Marty is not such an expert on sheep farming then…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ea4b449d9cd6876339a2a08ac4301416365518c87d34e23d8198716f6cb53af.jpg

    • PeaceMaker

      Totally made up, never happened. Scientology farms seals (and whales), not sheep – completely different.

    • Gus Cox

      Baa-haa-haa-haa!

  • “The Dutch government is still interested in pursuing a criminal investigation of the Church of Scientology.”

    Om nom nom 🙂

    Is that you scamofscientology? VWD!!!! (uhm, wait) Nice job!

  • Steve Bazemore

    Nobody is going to bring up the human trafficking allegations Marty made in the trouble making video? I’m not saying I believe them, but the lack of reference is conspicuous by its absence. I’m on a crappy phone so can’t look thru comments easily so sorry if it’s been addressed.

    • Kim O’Brien

      not really . no one give a shit what Marty says anyways

      • Marty who? I gotta suitcase to pack.

      • Steve Bazemore

        Apparently the not giving a shit isn’t completely universal as he’s all over the comments section in one way or another and in the blog.

    • flyonthewall

      so you have something on your mind and the fact that no one else is talking about what you’re thinking is somehow proof of….something? I don’t get it

      eta – If you want to discuss something then just spit it out. You want to talk about X then talk about X and don’t complain and wonder why no one is talking about X

      • Steve Bazemore

        No, but as a daily follower of this blog for At least the last 4 years and not hearing anying about what he alleges in the video until that video then not seeing anything mentioned about them in today’s blog (a denial or even dismissal of them as baseless) was weird to me.. as was the fact that no one seemed to even question it in the comments. if it’s something that’s been covered somewhere else or perhaps i happened to miss that blog then fine, that’s my fault for not researching it but I figured it’d be easier to ask and get an answer here.

        • Steve Bazemore

          Especially when all I had earlier was the crappy phone now that I’m home I can do a little digging with a little less difficulty.

        • flyonthewall

          you follow this blog daily for 4yrs and are totally unaware of this lame, stale smear attack that CoS has used for years and years against Tony that Marty is now picking up and repeating? Really?

    • TexasBroad

      The lack of reference is conspicuous? The lack of EVIDENCE is the thing. BackPage, a company that sold ad space for adult ads and then published them in newspapers across the county, was investigated.
      The newspaper owners, publishers or editors were NOT part of the investigation in any venue. The owners of BackPage did agree to close down BackPage, and while charges were initally brought against them, all charges against them were dismissed.

      CoS and Oracle have been fairgaming Tony about this for years and its patently ridiculous.

      • flyonthewall

        for being so brave at the dentist yesterday, you may pick TWO treasures from the treasure chest. Normally I only allow one treasure but you were so good, I think you deserve two

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b408a11a92fba36605a0501d38b6555f98a5814559d641d16bb6b2d7e4c54121.jpg

        • TexasBroad

          Delightful!! *Digs for Legos…Pouts*
          Thank you. I’ll take the smiley face and the stretchy torture thing.

          • Rasha

            ….nice choice!!!!

            • Rasha

              …the Chinese finger trap triggered a childhood engram, but I’d still go for the holographic stuff….

            • EmmaDaoust

              Dice’s sister is in there awaiting rescue.

    • J. Swift

      Marty refuses to back up anything he says with evidence, documents, or facts. Instead, what Rathbun is doing is trying to position himself as the final authority on everything. It doesn’t work that way Marty. DOX or GTFO. As for your “ASC Narrative” it is a laughable piece of garbage you created as a function of your own mental illness.

      Marty, you see conspiracies where none exist because Scientology hardwired your brain to think in terms of conspiracies and paranoia. That is why you will never be free. You even admitted that you can’t have friends. That’s all on you Marty. You see Martians where none exist.

      • Bob Crouch

        It is ironic that one of his favorite terms is “narrative.” That’s EXACTLY what he is selling: generalities, stories and interpretations unencumbered by (and often contradicted by) facts.

        • J. Swift

          Marty is beating word “narrative” to death. I got it the first time he said it. After he used the word for the tenth time I realized he was working for OSA. COB must think it’s an important word.

          • Gus Cox

            like “correct orders of magnitude” etc. etc.

          • Bob Crouch

            By episode 154, they will make him say “front porch of eternity” too. Just watch, and remember: You’ve heard it here!

    • Chee Chalker

      My question is – did the ‘government’ drop the human trafficking investigation against the Voice because Tony was no longer editor?
      Was that part of the deal?

      We won’t prosecute for human trafficking if you get rid of Tony Ortega and give him a severance package?

      It’s these little details that Marty can’t seem to address…..

      • flyonthewall

        Tony had nothing to do with anything regarding that case and no control over the advertising period

        • gtsix

          I know, and you know and Chee knows, that Chee was joking 😉

        • Chee Chalker

          I know. The entire argument is ridiculous
          That was just the funniest aspect. Marty makes it seem like there was this big investigation, that the VV was trafficking, but yet once Tony left everything was ok?

          The VV got rid of Tony because Tony was responsible for Scientology exposing the VV’s trafficking.

          And once Tony left…..what? No more investigation?
          Marty doesn’t say anything. Just tries to imply there was some connection.

          Marty is trying to make A = B = C.

  • sizzle8
  • OOkpik

    I’m verklempt!

    With all the vicious back-biting within the ASC Troika, we, the mindless minions of their troll farm, will be forced to choose which faction to cling to as the rabid lust for money and power amongst our feuding leaders escalates into the inevitable Boss Fight.

    *sob*

    • Kestrel

      I hate it when Mommy and Daddy and Daddy fight.

      • OOkpik

        It would seem that one of your Daddys already got expelled. Condolences.

    • salin

      It’s that damn Rue!

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      That was hilarious.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Choose up now or you’ll go down in the fight for sure. The ASC bible has no guidance to offer, I’m afraid. Oh, what to do, what to do…baa-baaa 😉

  • Sherbet

    Hey, Denver-bound Bunkeroos. Have a great time! Hydrate, stay out of the sun, and get to bed early. Yeah…

    Toss a Telex to those of us back home who will be awaiting news of the festivities. We’ll be eager to enjoy HowdyCon vicariously. Hugshugshugshugs.

    • stanrogers

      As much as I love the sentiment, take what Sherb said with a grain of salt… please. There’s nothing funny about being hit with a casually-flung Telex, you know. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea4edf7241cef37b9c1f86bd8083e1d0c6e258b5d81ccb3b85031a8b11bb7a35.jpg

      • Techie

        More like this in Hubbard’s hey-day: http://bytecollector.com/images/DSCF1349a.jpg

      • Sherbet

        Oh, you take me so literally!

        • stanrogers

          Only when I can do it for comic effect. I understand that you speak in parables, of wonders in a world not yet my own.

          • Sherbet

            Worship me.

            • Glen

              Youse guys are so funny,

            • stanrogers

              As you wish.

            • stanrogers

              Oh, can I please have some more of that wonderful Turkish Delight?

    • Phoebequeen

      Stay away from open windows and balconies.

    • Rasha

      Very shugs!!!

      • Sherbet

        But not John Sugg.

  • joelsp

    Marty has either:

    A. gone crazy, or
    B. Scientology has a cat that Marty doesn’t want out of the bag.

    Either way, his well polished drivel isn’t fooling anyone.

    I actually am wondering if these videos are indeed made at SMP? I mean at least that would mean they are using it. Maybe.

    • Bob Crouch

      Or C, since Marty withdrew the lawsuit and forewent the option of receiving a judgment, they paid him handsomely for his video series. Which would also explain his self-loathing (or is it merely constipated) demeanor while reading their script.

      • joelsp

        Yeah, I kind of figured that would roll itself into B. A lot of things could be rolled into B though.
        It’s quite bizarre theater either way. And will only serve to bring more attention to the damage this cult causes to people.

  • Off topic but fun: Incendiary right-wing journalist Erick Erickson teed off on former Fox colleague Greta Von Susteren in a tweet that impugned her religion. Story here: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/erick-erickson-mocks-greta-van-susterens-scientology-faith/article/2626656

    Protip for Erick Erickson: leave the mocking of Scientology to the professionals, like those of us in this here Anti-Scientology Cult. What you must have thought a clever shiv to the heart merely comes across as puerile and banal to those of us who know how to bull-bait culties.

  • Science Doc

    I don’t care about reality TV but this article on Bachelor in Paradise discusses the one sided absurd contract contestants sign, the possibilities of fighting that in court, and the impossibility of beating the arbitration clause. Sound familiar?http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/21/media/bachelor-in-paradise-contract/index.html

  • Lmfao … I just said “knowingness” to someone during casual conversation. I glitched 1/2 way but followed through w/ confidence mostly to see their reaction. They looked at me like “derp, good one dude O.o” so I don’t think my cover is blown.

    • gtsix

      I used makewrong yesterday to a coworker to explain the games our boss plays. He laughed when I explained where it was from.

      • Missionary Kid

        Tory used it in conversation with me, and I pointed out that it was a Co$ word because she’s trying to get all the clamspeak out of her vocabulary, but otherwise, it’s a good term. It works, but one has to explain to others what it means.

        • gtsix

          It’s a perfectly cromulent word.

          • stanrogers

            It’ll certainly embiggen your vocabulary.

            • Observer

              Bigly!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Embiggen is a perfectly cromulent word!! Word clear it, yo!!

          • Robert Hanna Moore

            Like the callipygian Johnny Tank.

    • chukicita

      I used ‘enturbulate’ one time and got funny looks – but then, I’m a never-in.

      • Also a never-in, but I am currently Scientologist adjacent (plus it’s about 100°) so I almost feel like I’m literally playing with fire here.

        • chukicita

          Yeek. It’s like yelling SUPPRESSIVE! in a crowded org. Only there are no crowded orgs…

          • mark

            Or like yelling SUPPRESSIVE in an org followed by “HCO Bring Order” and the yelling individual slowly realizes s/he is talking to him/herself.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Or “FIRE!!” in a theatre, or an Idle Morgue….

        • salin

          ‘Scientologist adjacent’ = standing next to a Scientologist? Joined at the hip?

          • not quite as close as option a) but def within shouting distance

            • salin

              Now I am curious … on a scouting expedition to a lonely Scientologist spot? Or random Scientologist sighting?

            • stanrogers

              There are no random Scientologist sightings. Scientologists are sighted precisely when they mean to be.

            • hmmm, neither? let’s say you were to know me (or at the very least aware of what i do) + known public Scientologist(s) = not uncommon. i understand that i will not receive full credit for this answer … i’m really just hoping for a passing grade, at this point ;P

            • stanrogers

              The gentleman’s C, as it were. Yes. Nothing at all wrong with that.

            • salin

              works for me.

          • Liberated

            It means connected by cans.

            • stanrogers

              (One other person wasn’t actually typing; he just had one of those wonderful Parkinson’s episodes while trying to click the uppy thingy.)

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I held the cans once,,, got some great advice from y’all if I ever do it again.

              Things like “Bang them together and short them out,” and squeeze the Christ, err, Xenu, outta dem!!!

      • Puget Buckeye

        I’m a never in and I said “make it go right” about an hour ago.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        So have I!! I also used the term PTS type 3 and my family was perplexed. 😉

        • stanrogers

          “… and my family was perplexed.” That’s a good thing. A very, very good thing.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            I’m still unsure what means… Psychotic break??
            What are the other PTS types? Like 1, 2, &4+??

  • Mick Roberts

    Sorry, but out of curiosity, am I the only one who wouldn’t be surprised if Leah actually DID call Tony and Mike her “bitches”? She has that needling, spunky, Brooklyn sense of humor and I could actually see her saying something like that in jest at her friends.

    Of course, we’ve all seen how CofS has a way of taking things out of context. And they don’t appear to be able to understand humor that well either. These Marty videos seem to closely resemble the method that the CofS smear sites use…..just lame attacks with no context and no balance.

    • gtsix

      If she didn’t before, she sure as hell will now!

    • PeaceMaker

      Yeah, I had the same thought, I can imagine her saying that. And she’s a bit of a diva, maybe she even does mean in it a certain way. But even if there was some truth to what was said about a few people who are probably less than perfect, it still doesn’t come anywhere close to undermining the legitimacy of their work to expose and end the abuses of Scientology.

      I find it interesting to note that the actual legitimacy of Hubbard and his work has now been so called into question by irrefutable revelations about his nature and actions, that a new line of apologism that is showing up in some places, and that Rathbun seems to be tracking with, is that Hubbard could have done good work regardless of how bad a person he was and how many mistakes he made or how many lies he told. But hypocrisy has always been central to Scientology – starting with Hubbard.

  • Phoebequeen

    Holy guacamole. I have Marty’s blog bookmarked and have checked it over the past few months. Not a thing since January. Then today, I accidently click on the site and I was dumbfounded. Whoa. That was a shocker. Scrolled back here to see the posting about it. I just don’t know what to think at this point, except that I agree with Mike Rinder’s suggestion to seek help. Yikes.
    To all those going to Howdy Con, have a fab time!!!!

  • Missionary Kid

    E! Online has an article about Leah The Resurgence of Leah Remini: How She Became More Famous Than Ever 10 Years After The King of Queens. It basically says that, if anything, he leaving $cientology and her subsequent series have made her more popular than ever. http://www.eonline.com/news/862150/the-resurgence-of-leah-remini-how-she-became-more-famous-than-ever-10-years-after-the-king-of-queens

    Suck it, Dave. Tick fucking Tock. You can say that joining $cientology will help your showbiz career, but I’ll say that leaving it helps even more.

    • Glen

      Thanks for that link, MK.

      Not the troika queen but….

      “But Troublemaker cemented Remini’s status as the most famous face of the Scientology resistance—and with her story having been told over and over, she expanded her mission to encompass bringing other people’s stories to light.”

      P.s. Have fun in Denver

      • Missionary Kid

        I will. Thanks, Glen.

  • OOkpik

    I’m waiting for the joyous cries of “Denver, we are in you”, fun stories and many photos. 8)

  • chukicita

    Today’s story has kept the theme song from Gilligan’s Island in my head all day. Damn it.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Oh thanks, Thanks very much.
      .. a three hour tour a three hour tour ……

      • chukicita

        …the weather started getting rough, the tiny ship was tossed,
        if not for the courage of the fearless crew, the Freewinds would be lost…

        • EmmaDaoust

          Everybody sing!

          • Bob Crouch

            Needs more cowbell

        • Missionary Kid

          Hurricane season is upon us. I hope nobody gets killed.

          • chukicita

            Me, neither. Especially since I live in the perpetual Cone of Uncertainty.

            • stanrogers

              Beats the Cone of Shame all to hell.

    • gtsix

      Ha, I got extra credit In a high school class for singing the theme song. I was the only one who could do the closing song as well. Thanks Mr. Docherty!

  • nottrue
    • Kristen

      Good segment. That Seymour has his shizz together.

      • PattyCakenfeld

        Nice! I love hearing Ozzies pronounce Rindah.

  • Bob Crouch

    The kangaroo court (a term Marty himself introduced) has spoken: The “troika” stands accused of writing books, blogging and participating in various media. In between these scandalous activities, they must eat and seek shelter–proof positive that there is money involved somehow! (Although it remains unclear HOW.) This is exacerbated by the fact that one of them can’t hold a job and another was fired from his. Finally, they also–and this is the most outrageous part–read. Particularly, they seem to intently study a book by one Larry Wright.

    Introducing another one of Marty’s favorite terms, “projection,” the question that imposes itself is: Ahem, Marty, what have you been doing all these years?

    Blogging? Check!
    Written books? Check!
    Media events? Check!
    Taken money related to scientology? Three checks (see above)! Karen DLC? Check! “Counselling”-without paying the copyright holder? Check! Expert testimony? Check!
    Can’t/Won’t get/hold a job? Check!
    Read books? Check! And you make sure that every time you read one you act just a tad more like the “professorial dilettante.”

    Bonus question: How are you paying for the pros that are shooting your videos (and most likely supplying the script)? Or are they paying you for all those hours and for dead-agenting yourself?

    Did I mention “projection?” Hupocrisy? Being for sale? Being someone else’s spokespuppet? Selling out your friends and betraying/distorting their confidences?

    • chukicita

      I think it’s interesting that NO credit whatsoever is given to the producers of Marty’s series.

      • Bob Crouch

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        • Mark Fulton

          It will be just like PBS fundraising except it will happen EVERY DAY!

    • Jgg2012

      Maybe we should start a reality TV show entitled “Who wants to attack Scientology and become famous?”

      • Bob Crouch

        We could run it in the same timeslot as SMP’s forthcoming “The Scientology Bachelorette” (starring Kirsty).

        • Jgg2012

          Or “who wants to marry Tom Cruise?”

          • Bob Crouch

            That one would be a documentary! The first two seasons are practically in the can: “The Cult Dating Connection” and “The Cult Family Disconnection.”

            • Jgg2012

              “Family Reunion” for people who have not seen their children in years (like Cruise and Suri).

            • Bob Crouch

              “Home alone” An underage young thetan is hiding alone in his house while sea org recruiters are trying to break in and get him to sign the billion year contract before his parents come home

            • Jgg2012

              “Home Improvement” Sea Org members get beds, a microwave so that they can eat something other than rice and beans, and a TV so that they can see what is going on in the world.

            • Jgg2012

              M*E*S*T A group of volunteer ministers go into war-torn areas to remove body thetans from victims.

      • PattyCakenfeld

        We could revive Queen for a Day. Instead of telling pitiful stories about their sad lives that a washer/dryer would totally fix, contestants would spout lying nonsense and attempt to smear individual ASCers. The blankest look and dryest mouth wins.

        • Jgg2012

          “Clear for a Day”.

  • Kevin Osborne

    I haven’t been in a Scientology organization for over 35 years, never did OT levels or even grades nor was I on staff. But I still get weekly mail, sometimes two different pieces a day from two different places, even several lately from California pushing to join staff. That and of course the color catalogs advertising more expensive services. I tried the usual methods to get it to end, now I just toss them unread. If someone from Scientology is reading this please feel free to stop sending. You are just wasting money you could use elsewhere to better effect. However if you choose to keep it up, so be it. We can use more recycled paper.

    • chukicita

      It would be interesting to see a recent catalog of services with prices on it. Could you maybe scan one and post it here? Or just send it to the IRS. 😀

      • Kevin Osborne

        Sure the next time I get one, assuming the prices are in it. Like I said I don’t read them.

      • Noesis

        Several people (including me) have mentioned that most of the church magazines have been recently redesigned in terms of content, format and style. In truth, they do look much better compared to the older editions (although the changes violate Ron’s immutable written policies on how the magazines are to look / feel / read.

        But so what, better is better – Lol.

        Among the changes I noticed:

        Many of the pictures taken inside the Orgs have real people in them (again.)

        The production values of the photographs, typesetting, layout, presswork and even the paper stock (in many cases) are upgraded compared to older editions.

        The massive multi-page price lists are gone, as are most of the more outrageous printed exhortations to BUY MORE SCIENTOLOGY STUFF NOW!

        The amount of space (in most publications) devoted to the the verbatim writings / thoughts / admonitions of L. Ron Hubbard has been reduced. He’s still there, but definitely not the main content focus.

        In general, the magazines look like they were produced in this century, instead of the middle of last century.

        All of the above is ultimately not going to make much of a difference because the fundamental offerings of Scientology (the states of Clear and OT) are a deliberate hoax. Add in the decades of documented atrocities and Scientology is possibly one of the most toxic brands on earth.

        But I do give them an E for effort on the newer promo. It is objectively improved.

        The scammers CAN learn and morph to keep the fraud alive a while longer!

        EDIT to add: The latest edition of “The Auditor” has an updated “Clear List” with numbers. Globally, Scientology currently asserts it has created 67,236 “Clears” – which is around 1000 per year since the first publication of Dianetics in 1950.

        That seems a bit downstat, no?

    • Missionary Kid

      You’re certainly good humored about it. Some people have suggestions on how to have it stop. Most are along the lines of sending back entheta. Perhaps writing something like, “Leah Remini is right, you’re a vicious cult. Leave me alone.”

      • EmmaDaoust

        Or “Here’s some paper for the Sea Org staff to use as they see fit. I hear they’re always short of toilet paper.”

      • Kevin Osborne

        I respect the people there believe they are doing a necessary job and everything Hubbard said wasn’t bunk. However his intention was to create robots and that he managed quite well. He was not a very nice person, I expect. He wasn’t wrong about the bankers and their noodling, though. We’re seeing those effects now.

        • Missionary Kid

          I understand. I don’t doubt their sincerity.

          I happen to believe that the only reason that LRH railed against the bankers was that he had to have opponents, and they’re easy ones. In effect, he and Davy are even more vicious in their money grubbing than any bankers.

          • Kevin Osborne

            You might look into the globalist agenda. Look at the laws they are passing in Canada, for example, and of course the insane EU policies on emigration. The massive military buildup inside the US and NSA operations and the FEMA camps. There’s a reason for all this and it isn’t pretty.

            • flyonthewall

              oh…I see

            • Kevin Osborne

              The reason Scientology “worked” on its adherents was directed perception. This universe operates on perception/creation. So if you can get folks to look where you want they’ll create a reality to fit and you have them. The issue I noticed in people who left Scientology was they were unconsciously holding onto beliefs they had picked up. They were still acting like Scientologists and were not free to see things outside that framework. A useful tool is to consciously let go of everything related to Scientology. None of it is necessary for existence. Regardless it all turns out okay, my opinion. But day to day in a life form can be drudgery under someone’s thumb.

            • flyonthewall

              Fuck that shit. Tell me more about the globalists and FEMA camps!!!

            • Kevin Osborne

              All that is available on the net. Have at it. You’re already free. I’m just trying to help you see it.

            • flyonthewall

              Neo?

            • Kevin Osborne

              Generally in a discussion the best route is to state your opinion and have the courage to look it over given other viewpoints. Asking mocking questions is a way of not looking at oneself, a victim mentality widespread in this society and in particular in ex-religious folks by my observation. At any rate I’m satisfied I understand what you think. Good luck to you.

            • flyonthewall

              I do joke a lot but I am sincerely interested in how you would answer those two questions I asked.

            • Kevin Osborne

              There’s lots more which you can take or leave. However a few points.
              1. What got me going on seriously considering all the globalist talk could be true was Obama, as one of his last official acts, ordering the NSA to release any and all information on any US citizen to any police force, upon request, without a warrant. Why would he do that?
              2. During the Cuban Missile Crisis the US had a plan in place to intern over one million US citizens the government considered “dangerous’. This was more than all the members of the Communist Party in Russia. This was very close to being ordered. Things haven’t gotten better.
              3. It is now legal in the United States for any US citizen to be apprehended without notice prior or afterward to anyone and held indefinitely.
              4. The likelihood that the massive pedophile rings do exist and the worst of it is beyond comprehension involving heads of State including POTUS. .
              5. The willingness of Congress and the Executive Branch for decades to allow the US to be in a position for an economic crash that will far exceed 2008 in its negative effects. The banks are being allowed to run wild, again.
              6. People are being killed in plain view, likely as warnings to others not to rock the boat.
              7. Monsanto, Cargill, Big Pharma and other large companies cooperating in drugging, taking over food sourcing including GMO’s, and spying on US citizens at an alarming rate.
              (As an aside a close relative was at a recent farmer’s workshop in the Midwest. The mood was black, and the two names that came up were Monsanto and Cargill. The farmers know what is being done to them, they just don’t know how to stop it. A further likelihood is Amazon will make seed so cheap farmers will order it through them instead of their local coops, removing a community system that has kept farmers close to each other for decades.)
              8,. One might look at any one part of this and call it coincidence. As one looks at the entirety, the talons reaching in are many fold and form a claw that one can see. I think no one should believe anything without direct perception of that thing. I’ve now seen enough to expect this is likely to be true. As to reptiles and other things I don’t see, I withhold judgment. If you want to look around and see what you think, be my guest. My look has been years in building to where this makes sense. The only hurry is if it is true, we need to see it. Then we can stop it. Good luck!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkSkQgnEV-Q

              http://www.disclose.tv/news/List_Of_All_Fema_Concentration_Camps_In_America_Revealed/86674

            • flyonthewall

              Yeah, except you didn’t address my questions at all. If these groups are so powerful and omnipresent, how do they allow websites, books, youtube vids etc about them to exist? Also, how do you know that they themselves didn’t publish this stuff you read about them? Surely they would of thought of that?

            • Kevin Osborne

              I thought you were asking about FEMA camps and globalists.
              I’m not God and I don’t know everything about this universe. I can see what seems to be obvious, now, clues about what is going on on earth. These folks have a great deal of power as is evidenced in the general media and their influence on governments and businesses. if you want to ignore all of that feel free. I don’t.
              They may have been a bit smug about their position. That isn’t unusual among an elite, to underestimate the opposition. I think they were stunned when Trump won the election and when Britain left the EU. As to the power to completely control all communication that is what they seek, it is not what they have. A next step is control of the internet. It is a good idea not to overestimate the opposition either. They are dangerous and ahead of the game, but they are not immune to attack or take down. The way that is going to happen is if enough people connect the dots. So I’m putting out some of the dots and what I think is going on. I wouldn’t believe it if I were you.
              As an aside through other methods than Scientology I’ve come to an understanding of this place and my position in it that allows me to accept my perception as credible when I can see enough to do so. I’ve seen enough. Nihilism never appealed to me much anyway.

            • flyonthewall

              amazing

            • flyonthewall

              if the globalists control everything then why do they let stuff about them exist on the net?

            • Fly Lady
            • flyonthewall
            • flyonthewall

              how do you know the stuff on the net about the globalists isn’t written by the globalists in order to confuse you and throw you off their track? Did that ever occur to you?

            • GrangerFX

              If you are not a globalist, does that make you a flatworldist?

            • Kim O’Brien

              i wanna know about the lizard ppl and all the false flags . Cuz ya know …science

  • chukicita

    I would like Nintendo to create a new game called Triforce: The Legend of Leah.

    • Juicer77

      Please make it a Lego version so I can play smashy-smashy.

    • stanrogers

      Shouldn’t take much longer than Duke Nukem Forever.

      • Observer

        Omg, what a horrid game that was. I usually finish games I start, but abandoned that one less than halfway in.

        • stanrogers

          They just sort of gave up after 15 years and said, “well, here’s what we’ve got. Sorry.”

  • 9001

    Curaçao’s corporate data is now open to search. here

    Found this doc for FSSO. Includes “beingness, doingness an knowingness” Ha!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eaa49d02652ea6c3d415b7c3bb90ff53b987489aa54a974e85bc168d9cf5f110.jpg

    • stanrogers

      The financial means of the foundation consist of:
      (I) donations;
      (II) gifts, legacies, inheritances;
      (III) receipts out of activities;
      (VI) any other legal income and earning.

      They, um, seem to have left a few things out.

    • Juicer77

      Hello, you! 🙂

      • 9001

        Hello you too 🙂

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    This rain is disrespectful as f**k!! Got people running around wrapping $10,000+ jobs in plastic on the off chance any water gets in the shop (it would ruin these things completely) tonight. I want Wednesday to be over!!!
    https://media.giphy.com/media/Wvo6vaUsQa3Di/200.gif

    • stanrogers

      Should we dispatch a team in yellow tee shirts to hand out pamphlets and touch people?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        God no! The lady shopping for the apocalypse in front of me at the store today was quite enough. LOL

        • stanrogers

          The toilet paper and bottled water are always the first to suffer.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            And bread. Always bread. The water & bread aisles are the first to get wiped out every time.

            • stanrogers

              Why people think “I know – let’s live like we’re in a medieval dungeon!” has always baffled me.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I so wish I’d captured the cashiers face when she saw that lady roll into her aisle. 😀 She was definitely getting prepared for something. 5 loaves of bread man…..5!!

            • Observer

              And milk. And toilet paper (around here, anyway).

        • Oh! Is it the apocalypse already? It seems to come earlier every year.

    • downtherabbithole

      Wishing everyone all the best. It is also my hope that the vultures who prey upon those who suffer from such storms, meet their karma very soon.

  • Puget Buckeye

    Since we’re getting close to the beginning of HowdyCon, I wonder if anyone has questioned if any PI’s will show up? You know, to take pictures of all the SP’s.

    • Observer

      That’s one reason my big zoom lens is going.

      • stanrogers
        • Observer

          Is that the $25,000 one?

          • stanrogers

            Yes, indeedy-doo. Behold the glory of the Sigma 200-500mm f/2.8 lens (with the 2X teleconverter attached). Great lens, but not very pocket-friendly, and it’s a bugger on shoulder straps. Lovely bokeh too (for realz).

            • Observer

              Does the price include the cost of the pack mule you’ll need to haul it around?

            • stanrogers

              No. Just a gerbil and a coupon for a 10% discount on the upgrade.

            • Observer

              Ha!

            • 200-500mm F2.8.? Does that mean that the aperture does not vary with focal length – like their 35 – 70mm f1.8?

              With the teleconverter that’s presumably a 400-1000mm F4

              I honestly can’t think of many applications for such a monster.

            • stanrogers

              It would be a 400-1000mm f/5.6, actually. That’s still superfast at those focal lengths, and the depth of field is tiny. And yes, it’s constant aperture and parfocal (focus doesn’t shift as you zoom). Obviously, it’s a tripod-living monster, and it’s great for doing nature stuff from a blind – especially when the background ain’t great. It has an on-board processor and several motors (and its own battery pack) to make it a fast focuser, so in addition to the nature thing, it’s quite useful for sports at a distance.

              It’s definitely a niche machine. Something a news outlet or a magazine photo pool would own, and an ordinary photographer might rent for a single special occasion. You’d need to be pretty darned well off to have a personal copy if you aren’t making money off of things itcan do that other lenses can’t.

            • Yes – of course – 1 stop for a 1.4x and 2 for a 2X teleconverter – that’s f5.6, so you’re dead right.

              I wonder if the real purpose of these products isn’t to establish the reputation of the company (Sigma is an excellent independent lens maker) by producing newsworthy ‘record-breaking’ products.

              Something like that must cost so much to research, develop and make that they can’t make much money from the tiny market for it.. It’s about prestige, not profit.

            • stanrogers

              Sigma was sort of playing second fiddle to Tamron for a while back in the day. I had a couple of their cheap longer lenses (like the 400mm f/5.6), and while they were serviceable, they were a lot more about the price than the quality. This was a statement piece when they decided to compete on quality (just as the “everyone needs a DSLR all of a sudden” gold rush showed signs of fading), and that’s just starting to be reflected in their Art and Sports series now. (They had a couple of good lenses prior, but poor quality control let them down. It didn’t help that Samyang was hitting the budget market hard.) And that’s made everyone pick their game up – Nikon, Canon, Sony and Tamron have all made much better lenses in resonse. But ouch, those prices.

            • I like the ‘medium format’ Fuji Film mirrorless camera – but £5, 000 just for the body, and another £5,000 for each lens. Ouch indeed!

        • Rasha

          …any lens with a carrying handle is…. is….. DAMMIT!!!! I quit!!!!!

    • Jeb Burton

      I can’t believe they would be petty enough to do that.Which means they probably will.

    • PattyCakenfeld

      Depends if someone pays them to do so …

  • Jeb Burton

    My girlfriend named me as part of a troika today during an argument. Apparently it’s me, her ex husband and her fat boss who tries to grab her ass.

    • GrangerFX

      With that many people grabbing, she is probably pretty sore.

      • PattyCakenfeld

        That’s what Belinda said.

        (My Dad Wrote a Porno podcase reference.)

  • A few days ago, I introduced a website which discusses a Scientology front group, online – specifically a UK tutoring enterprise – in the place where I live. It is run by Scientologists and uses ‘study tech’. This apparently includes ‘clay demos’.

    The aim of the site is to draw public attention to the connection between “Plymouth Private Tutors” and Scientology and to point out the misleading nature of many of their claims – for example the way that they present their knowledge of Scientologys ‘religious’ teachings (which is only recognised by the CofS) as if it qualified them to teach maths and English to GCSE (the qualification that completes you career at school, here).

    On day one it was visited by a total of 197 people from 21 countries who accessed 380 pages. They left 6 likes and 2 comments ). Links to the site also appeared in posts to Facebook and Twitter.

    That’s not bad for the first day of a new site.

    Thanks to everyone who visited and supported this project.

    If you would like to ensure that it starts to appear alongside the results for the Scientology tutors, and puts potential customers off, please mention it in social media and maybe visit now and again, to improve our ranking. More details here https://plymouthprivatetutorsinfo.wordpress.com/news/.

    • Jeb Burton

      Sounds pretty boring. Maybe try some nudity.

    • PeaceMaker

      Still not seeing it in google. Once you get it there, I can hit it as I travel and get you some diverse traffic that appears unique. I’m not saying that I have extra ways of driving you even more traffic to improve your SEO.

      • Thank you.

        Search engines are quicker on the uptake, these days – but it still seem to take weeks for them to start making connections for a new site, and this one has been up for only three days..

    • Glen

      As I said before….such an excellent site. I think this can be a template for shining a light on the all the sneaky front groups

      • Applied Scholastics is the only front that operates from the Plymouth Org – but I’m learning that there is a lot more to it than meets the eye…

        If anyone wants a hand setting up something similar, use the ‘feedback’ link on the site.

        • Nasty goings on with investments are still going on. (I.e. they didn’t stop with the ostrich eggs that Raul Lopez dumped his money in 🙁 )

          Getting info about that requires detailed local knowledge about individual victims and clams, so I’m afraid I have nothing specific.

          • No – nothing to do with investments.

            On another topic, did you know that ‘legitimate’ enterprises are used to launder money earned in the black economy so that it can be spent – for example by making a charitable donation – without attracting the attention of the tax man?

  • Probably been posted already:
    “Erick Erickson mocks Greta Van Susteren’s Scientology faith”
    “Uh-oh, someone is going to sic Xenu on me,”
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/erick-erickson-mocks-greta-van-susterens-scientology-faith/article/2626656

    • John McGhee

      He should do his homework though, then he’ll find out that xenu rides with us/him

      • gtsix

        And he’s so fucking annoying, we left him locked up in the mountain. Fucking galatic rulahs and their egos.

      • Yeah but it will still expose a whole lotta folk to the space opera.

    • J. Swift

      Uh oh. Erick Erickson just put himself on Marty Rathbun’s radar. Marty will probably need to do a 50 part series on how Erickson is one of the sheep in the ASC troll farm.

  • flyonthewall
  • Lousy Ratatouille

    To the lucky ones going to HowdyCon: travel safe and have a great time!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plElJ30oqcE&list=LLE5AXz6WwQVTCVFRFoOpa9w&index=1

  • Glen

    If people like Mike Rinder, Paul Haggis, Jason Beghe and John Brousseau have gratitude toward the helpful Rathbun that was and good will toward the Rathbun they hope he can one day be, more power to them.

    Although he is actively trying to undo positive contributions in exposing $ci, I think I am most appreciative of the exposure of noisy fair game. With such items as Jenny at LAX (almost a million views), the squirrel busters, Ann from around here, etc., there is no putting that genie back in the bottle.

    • downtherabbithole

      I look at this way, whatever Marty’s motivations are, they are here nor there.

      It is just a bunch of noise that will have little impact in a short time.

      There simply is too much history and far too many people who have suffered greatly at the hands of the Scientology for his ridiculous videos to have any impact beyond this last week.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Yep, don’t feed the troll-like creatures unless you don’t mind seeing more troll-like behavior.

        Given Mutty’s very effective past work in exposing cult abuses and calling out the tiny tyrant for the power-mad, sadistic, violent bully that he so obviously is, it IS a big deal to see him carrying the cult’s poison water again.

        But his 15 minutes back in the spotlight are almost up, so now that he’s utterly destroyed his own credibility, there’s nothing new to be learned by listening to his unsupported, ad hominem attacks.

        Everyone that I know and respect here is in it to see that cult crimes and abuses, such as coerced disconnection, are halted and that the organization is reformed so that they will not occur in the future. Everyone has their own personal opinions about $cn’s core beliefs and doctrines, but as far as I’m concerned, folks should be free to believe what they like, but not to commit crimes and human/civil rights abuses in the name of any religion or belief system.

        Like Leah’s said, stop harming individuals and destroying families and I’ll stop too…but not until!

  • nottrue
    • bixntram

      “One of the classical pieces of Chopin..” Oh, what were Chopin’s non-classical pieces, pray tell? Speaking as a Chopin cultist, the idea of Chopin being played in a scientology building is a horrible travesty. On the other hand, maybe it will affect the brain cells of the listening robots in some small way.

      • sizzle8

        In Scientology it’s called the “Wait a Minute Waltz”.

  • Kristen

    I am trying to wind down after a horrible, rotten day by watching Penn & Teller “Bullshit”. Imagine my surprise when I see our Proprietor on there, sneaking into a psychic’s show!

    • Juicer77

      Jinx! I watched it a few nights ago. XD

    • stanrogers

      Now, how do you sneak into a psychic’s show? Is there a chance that the “psychic” isn’t really psychic?

      • Kristen

        They don’t allow media into those things – I wonder why?? LOL

      • PeaceMaker

        Tony is OT, didn’t you know? They can do that kind of thing.

      • Glen

        I knew you were going to say that.

        • I’m seeing a woman… or it might be a man. Is there someone like this in your life… it’s a very strong impression…

          • Glen

            By gosh, you got it.

            • It’s a talent… and a burden…

              That’ll be £65, please

              Also, I think you would benefit from placing some of these psychically charged crystals in your house .It’s a great effort to imbue them with positive energy, so I only offer them to those with beautiful auras, like yours.

              They are only £120 each, and you will need at least 4 for the best effect – but in the higher spiritual state you will achieve in their presence, you will be able to make that trifling sum just by thinking about it.

              It’s frighteningly easy to write the patter – the trick seems to be gathering the credulous together in an isolated situation, and delivering it with a straight face.

      • I’ve learned that the spirits don’t like sceptics. I’ve been told that this is the only reasons psychics get anything wrong.

        a) If you tell them you’re sceptical up-front, refuse to play 20 questions and endure guesses, and just ask for a reading without saying anything, the spirits will not cooperate because they don’t like your closed mind..

        b) if you don’t tell them you’re sceptical, and they still get everything wrong, the spirits will turn out to have known you were a wrong ‘un all along, and told you lies just to upset you. That’s the ultimate get-out clause, because it applies to everyone who won’t read things into the deliberately vague language used by cold readers.

        It’s like SPs being more powerful than the most ‘advanced’ Scientologist. Anyone who refuses to play the game is more powerful than anyone’s psychic ‘talent’. Also, the reason it doesn’t seem to be working is that you weren’t doing it right .- just like Scientology Tech which they tell you always works… if properly applied.

        There are so many parallels with Scientology and other fringe beliefs that yo might almost doubt Ron’s originality, if it wan’t for ‘ethics’..

        PS: there’s and excellent US TV series about fictional ‘psychics’ called “Shut Eye”.

    • PeaceMaker

      Penn and Teller are great, both for their magic and humor, but also for the service they do in debunking things.

      I actually deliberately exposed my youngest child to them to bolster their critical faculties and ability to recognize trickery, at the point that their other birth parent was getting into some cultish activities and groups and taking the child along. I did a number of other things as well, though for specific reasons could never directly challenge what was going on, and also never disparaged the other parent. One of my most satisfied moments was when the child and I were doing one of our healthy group activities together, and they volunteered to someone that the stuff the other parent was involved in was was “crazy.”

      Enjoy!

      • stanrogers

        Just make sure you ensure that they’ll think deeply and critically enough to spot P&T’s own BS. Like everyone else, they’re subject to the phenomenon of ultracrepidarianism.

        • Kestrel

          I’m beginning to expect a need to Google a word when I read one of your posts.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
    • Rasha

      *clink*

      • gtsix

        *sip, sip, glug*

  • nottrue
  • Jimmy3

    It’s too late. The globalists are here.
    She was a good bunker.

    • flyonthewall

      at least we’ll get some nice FEMA trailers

  • downtherabbithole

    I may have missed it, but have we heard from Pick and how his surgery went?

    Thinking of you Pick and wishing you all the best

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      His daughter chimed in way down. It’s funnier if you read the original comment.

      • downtherabbithole

        Dear lord Johnny that will require me to scroll through lord knows how many comments & I am one who has a very short attention span & no paitence.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          There’s only 1000 comments to go through – how long can that take?

          • downtherabbithole

            I am kind of slow so could take me quite some time. Let me fetch a glass a wine & see if I can find it.

            Mean while, tip a glass with me…

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Set comments to best. She’s posting updates on his account so it’s easy to find.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              It beer o’clock here, so why not? Cheers!

          • gtsix

            The evilnessness is strong in this one.

    • stanrogers

      His daughter was in earlier. He’s fine, but complaining about the surgeon stealing his hard-earned shrapnel.

      • downtherabbithole

        Thanks for the update. Scrolling as Johnny suggested was just not something I am up for right now.

        • salin

          Try sorting the posts by best, guessing that her post *using his id* had enough upvotes to show up very quickly.

        • Kestrel

          You can Google ‘Pickanotherid Disqus’ and see the comments posted by his daughter.

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    I’m “Rathbunned out” but I want to make a comment about this whole thing from my own perspective as a person who works with cult survivors. My thoughts on this may not be popular, but here goes:

    I’ve said this in a post several months back, but I mean it even more sincerely now: I believe that Marty Rathbun needs professional help. Not only are his thinking processes disturbing, his affect is much different than it was previously. I’m sure there must be a goal of some kind that he has in mind that he thinks he is working towards, whatever that is of course I don’t know. (and don’t care to be honest, I care more about the fact that he seems to be mentally decompensating before our eyes)

    I know lots of people here don’t like him, and many have good reason for those feelings. However, isn’t the real reason we are here, beyond the jokes and recipes, is that we object vociferously to Scientology’s evil practices, and how they damage their victims, often for a lifetime? Marty, no matter what reprehensible things he did in his past life in Scientology, and despite some of the weird things he had done in the past couple of years, is also a victim. Just listen to him…is this logical thinking? Does this look like a happy and peaceful man? Does he look like someone who is just happy to be out and is going on with his life? Nope. He just can’t seem to extricate himself from whatever mental morass he is in. It may be that he has never truly separated his true identity from what years in Scientology made him believe his identity was. It could be that he is being manipulated, pressured or even threatened by outside forces, starting around the time his wife dropped her lawsuit.

    He has gone back into denial about so many things and is rapidly rewriting history. I see this behavior in some of the cult survivors I work with, and particularly with some of those who caused harm to others during their time in their particular cult. That’s a hard thing to live with. Some of those type of survivors seem to have much more difficulty achieving emotional and ethical homeostasis and swing all over the place in their beliefs, sometimes for years. They also have a tough time forgiving themselves, and will find temporary respite at times by reverting to the comfort of believing that what they did actually was right, denying that it ever happened, or blaming others. That’s easier than facing themselves in the mirror, which is understandable.

    If you look beyond the obnoxiousness and mendacity that has been pouring forth in these videos, I believe the truth is that this man is in serious trouble of some kind, mental and/or otherwise. I think he’s being “handled” or stage managed. I fear for him. I fear for his sanity. I feel sorry for his wife and child. I believe what we are seeing is someone under tremendous pressure. I think we also need to remember that he did do many kind things for others after leaving Scientology. I am hoping that someone is able to throw this guy a life preserver before he goes under. It’s yet another sad Scientology tale.

    • Glen

      I think folks have a hard time with the sense of betrayal from him that feels almost personal. I think what you have written is enlightened and compassionate. It has the ring of truth to me, a sad and pitiable tale.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        Thanks.

    • Noesis

      Marty’s current behavior reminds me (metaphorically) of that of a serial wife beater, who found out way too late that his sixth wife was secretly a Krav Maga Level 5 black belt, who beat the living daylights out of him one day after he “accidentally” shoved her.

      Oops.

      Other than the above, I tend to agree with the overall sentiment of your post.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        That’s an interesting metaphor 🙂

      • I knew two slight ladies who had trained in kick-boxing and Ju jitsu. They provided a few surprises to blokes given to unwelcome advances.

        You didn’t stand up for them. You stood back a bit, and let them roll. The element of surprise provided considerable leverage, too.

        • Noesis

          Krav Maga is also one of the reasons why is it not a good idea to mess with the IDF.

          Lol.

    • beauty for ashes

      Thank you Kay for your well thought out analysis. 🙂

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        🙂

    • Assuming Marty is losing it I’ve found that you have to try to separate the mental illness from the person.

      Sometimes, a person behaves badly because they are suffering from, say, anxiety and depression, . That’s not their fault. At other times they are just being a jerk. Being mentally ill doesn’t make you a saint, and putting up with someone being a jerk because you ascribe everything they do to their illness, doesn’t help them in the long run.

      Having said this, I don’t see any compelling evidence that Marty is behaving any differently to the way in which he has behaved for years . In fact, compared to the way he is alleged to have behaved when he was ‘Inspector General of Ethics’, those videos are positively reasonable and harmless.

      There is a tendency to see personal pathology in behaviour that you do not understand. It’s also possible that Marty is a self-centred person who has adopted a self-centred world view, and does not want to let it go because he’s got nothing else and doesn’t know how to change.

      The fact that he explains all this from the Scientology mindset makes it sound insane, when he may be a same person who has been conditioned to an isolated and insane social situation, and is now trying to apply it in the wider world.

      Also, the fact is has a family history does not make mental illness a not terribly convincing explanation for his behaviour – genetics is digital, and these things often skip generations.

      If he were to be diagnosed or show obvious symptoms of an identifiable condition, it would then be time to try to distinguish between the behaviour caused by the person and that which was a consequence of the illness. However, Marty has behaved badly for so many years, that you would probably still have to acknowledge, illness or no, that he can be a jerk because that’s the way he is.

      In other words, he might just be a jerk who does not deserve the consideration due to mentally ill people struggling with their condition. The solution that personality flaw is to face up to what he has done and make amends, as Mike Rinder is doing.

      Considering his likely aversion to psychiatric treatment (and unwillingness to allow himself to accept the authority of a doctor) the only way we will ever know is if he had a complete breakdown – and I would not wish that on anybody.

      However, some people join Scientology and resist the pressure to be cruel . Other’s embrace the opportunity. Marty the mentally ill man (if he is) would deserve compassion – but his illness not excuse the many bad things he did when he was responsible for his actions, enjoyed power and didn’t care who he hurt.

    • Glen

      Hi Kay. I’m reaching out to you on this older thread. I found it so insightful and compassionate. With all the continuing Rathbun talk, I wanted to ask your permission to repost some of your comment in other threads, on other days. If it is not ok with you, I will refrain and respect whatever you say with no judgement. Thanks.

  • Jgg2012

    btw, here is what did happen when Leah first thought of leaving. A friend died. On one of her social media sites (I think it was Facebook) she said she would pray for him. A friend then wrote “how do Scientologists pray?” and Leah wrote “Catholics pray, yes” or words to that effect. Then, one of the bloggers (I don’t recall who) noticed that Leah seemed to be breaking from Scientology, and posted that discussion here, and then Ortega (and possibly Rinder and others) followed up. Then, a while later, The Bunker broke the story: nothing happened for 3-4 days (perhaps Leah wanted to see what the reaction was) and then she went public and her decision was covered by everyone (some of whom credited the Bunker, some of whom did not) but this is not a troika, just reporting.

  • Kim O’Brien

    The globalist’s stole my troika . Bastards

    • Taffy Sinclair

      A Russian vehicle pulled by a team of three horses abreast??? Do tell!!!!

    • Missionary Kid

      So, now you have to ride a byka?

  • stillgrace2

    I bet my entire Big Pharma check for this month that David Miscavige wanted Marty to push the word “troika”.

    • stanrogers

      And the potato salad, before it goes off.

      • stillgrace2

        How did you know I just bought a quart on Nonie’s potato salad and left it in the car (93 degrees)?
        Thanks!

    • Glen

      I’d double down with “narrative.”

  • flyonthewall

    For everyone flying to Howdycon: Please please please, learn some basic self defense moves in order to protect yourself against overzealous airline employees. Nowadays getting beat up by your flight attendant and/or gate agent is a real possibility so please be safe and don’t look any airline employees in the eye when travelling to Howdycon. Thank you

    • Taffy Sinclair

      A suppressive steward(ess)?? How entheta!!

    • Jimmy3

      It’s good to establish a safe word with TSA agents as well. They get quite aggressively handsy.

    • TonyOrtega
      • Taffy Sinclair

        “Oh, he’s hideous!! I heard they shaved an ape.”

        (simpsons quote)

      • salin

        If folks do, should they just make note of it (and share), or should they greet him: Hey Daril!

      • stillgrace2

        Damn, that guy needs to eat more leafy greens.

      • Jimmy3

        Most likely will find him yelling at the staff at some early bird special buffet.

      • downtherabbithole

        Well hell wishing I could attend if for nothing else then to find the churches “Waldo’

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton
      • flyonthewall

        this is excellent

        • Helen Van Patterson Patton

          😀

      • stanrogers

        I’ve learnt me lesson, and no mistake!

    • stanrogers

      I think some of these martial arts techniques can be adapted for air traffic purposes:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

    • PeaceMaker

      More importantly, they need to watch out for getting gored by jackalope. I hear that a lot more wildlife is moving back into Denver’s urban areas these days. Plus the route into Denver also goes across prairie, and there are even wild buffalo at the airport (NK).

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aaceaea1a676546427006aa6fb2e25b225c53ab68be2938bfe1de9e87d68ecc0.jpg

      • Missionary Kid

        There’s no wild buffalo at the new airport. It’s out in the middle of nowhere, right where storms with hail in them tend to congregate. It is HUGE.

        • PeaceMaker

          I fly through there quite a bit, and I could swear that Denver originally kept some of its buffalo herd at the airport, or at least talked about doing so. They are wild, not tame, even if they don’t truly run wild – I checked, and some are at the old Arsenal just North of the airport, as well as the old buffalo outlook off the highway to the West.

          Someone should also post warnings about the alien base under the airport – some of the signs, can be seen in the airport – and the outlying underground FEMA camps, but surely there is a conspiracy theorist here who can cover those better than I can.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cfcc4e4b1fd1b5d94e2a6adb99972543a40aa69e5e1716978c90417afbb6721c.jpg

  • Chattan

    Pathetic. Dropping Leah’s name in the title in a sad attempt to get the view count on this new video series back up.

    • PattyCakenfeld

      It did work.

  • J. Swift

    As I strolled among the internet fora and troll farms of the ASC, I thought of just how easily a few of us loyal officers could overthrow the Troika, run the show ourselves, and take all the money.

    We can cut our own deal with Big Pharma and SMERSH. We don’t need the Troika.

    Who’s with me?

    • sorry, my hands are full w/ the PTC at the mo

      • J. Swift

        PTC?

        • pro truth cult

          • J. Swift

            Since when did you become a Republican?

            • 1989 … when i registered, and in CT at the time, you could only vote in the primary for the party of which you were registered. i figured it was a good way to infiltrate from the inside.

            • J. Swift

              Sweet Jesus dude! You’re as terrifying as Mitt Romney.

            • as far as i can remember, i’ve never voted for a Republican* and Roms is far more terrifying, but thanks!

              *eti: when it really mattered

            • J. Swift

              I voted for Ronald Reagan but only because Nancy Reagan asked me to. As Nancy and I had the same astrologer, I voted for Dutch as a favor to Nancy.

            • Supper Powers

              That’s how I do it too.

            • Want to start an anti-anti-anti-Scientology spacecult with me?

              eti: Lulz. I was dictating that into my phone and it was supposed to be [space] Cult, but spacecult has a nice ring to it, too.

            • stanrogers

              Simpsons did it already.

            • Want to start an anti-Simpsons-anti-anti-anti-Scientology Cult with me?

            • stanrogers

              I’m in!

            • Nice. Some of us are only in like 2 or 3 cults. You and I (and pending Supper’s response, she) could conceivably be in about 5 at this rate and it isn’t even Thursday (here)!

            • Supper Powers

              Ooh. I’ll start on the tax exempt application to the IRS right away, Your Succculence.

    • oknow

      I’m at the grocery😕

    • PattyCakenfeld

      Hm. The vast wealth and power are tantalizing. Public coup plotting seems a little indiscreet, though. Maybe start with hidden cameras.

      • J. Swift

        Do you seriously think the Troika ever bothers reading the comments? No they don’t. They’re too busy counting their billions of dollars.

        • sizzle8

          Rumor has it that there will be regges at HowdyCon.

          • Kestrel

            Ah, shit.

        • PattyCakenfeld

          I guess. But they have minions, acolytes, suck-ups and hangers on to do their scut work. Plus there are the spies, double agents, UTRs, turncoats and troublemakers. It’s a minefield.

          In fact, I’m suspicious of you already. I may need to take advantage of the vacuum of power and install myself as COBoASC.

          • J. Swift

            We can use memes and narratives to easily defeat the Troika’s minions, acolytes, suck-ups and hangers on, spies, double agents, UTRs and turncoats.

            As for who gets to be CBOoASC, this will be put to the membership for a vote.

            Our new membership group is the Freedom Ranger Enturbulators Social Communal Anarchists or FRESCA. Membership as a FRESCA Patron is $40,000 large each year. In exchange you get a gold FRESCA lapel pin.

            • Kestrel

              I’m in as long as I don’t have to actually drink a FRESCA.

            • J. Swift

              But drinking a FRESCA is part of the secret initiation. Just pretend it’s a Mountain Dew that went bad.

            • PattyCakenfeld

              I guess this makes sMarty an outside agitator. I remember those cats from the 60s in Berkeley.

    • stillgrace2

      Do we still get to read Tony’s articles?

      • J. Swift

        You have to read Tony’s articles and comment. Pretend everything is normal.

        • Puget Buckeye

          I’ve been pretending I’m normal for quite a while. Pretty convincing, huh?

          • stanrogers

            Well, in this context, sure… but that’s a low bar to jump, really.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Three ASC sheep jump over a low bar. The bartender says…

            • Puget Buckeye

              Punch line please.

            • EmmaDaoust

              I’m afraid I didn’t get that far. Counting sheep always puts me to sleep.

            • Puget Buckeye

              LOL

    • Liberated

      Send me the details via telex….I’m in !

      • J. Swift

        Telex sent by fax.

    • Jimmy3

      I am with you and this revolution 100%.
      But if it fails, I’m denying it ever happened and trashing you in a YouTube video broken up into a thousand 3-minute segments.

      • J. Swift

        Welcome aboard shipmate. Grab a bunk. Start working on a Counter-Troika narrative to spread across the fora and troll farms. Just make sure your narrative doesn’t have any memesis problems. And try to work in a lot of big words.

        • Supper Powers

          This is going to be a real cluster.

          • Jimmy3

            A bigly huge cluster of massive giantness.
            (I’m using big words, boss)

            • J. Swift

              A bigly huge cluster of massive giantness.

              Impressive. You’re our movement’s Danny Sherman. Will you be going with a mullet?

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. And on an order of mulletude this world has never witnessed.

            • J. Swift

              Extreme mulletness.

            • beauty for ashes

              ***starts stomping*** wooooooo!!!!!!!

    • jane456

      So funny, I just saw that bit where he uses his made up term “troll farm”. Then right after that he talks about the “limp wristed liberal justices of the Ninth circuit”. If I was more ambitious, I would make a little project of listing all these “martisms”. He has a ton of them, and he is oh so proud of them. It’s funny and its sad.
      But, I am just a lazy troll on a troll farm, I don’t have these ambitions. Besides, all the piles of gold and jewels are being guarded in the mountains by some dragons or something. Everyone knows that.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Down with the Troika…Free Xenu!…Half-off every intensive of pole running that you donate towards by 2 p.m. tomorrow!…UP YOUR IAS STATUS 2!

      Sorry, just had to say that…I’m just so excited by the possibility of no longer being ruled by these greedy, religious bigots, so that the other side of the $cn story can finally be told!

    • Puget Buckeye

      I’m in. Can I be on the refreshment committee? I like snacks.

  • Vaquera

    Valise is fully packed. Setting tomorrow’s alarm for 1:45 a.m. Denver time.

  • flyonthewall

    Taking the Bunker to the old school yo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zta1Le1Q-iI

  • Panopea Abrupta

    We in OSA have now released this drone video of the ASC sheeple being herded by the Troika.
    Here we have film of them heading for HowdyCon:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQw21ntR64

    There are, surprisingly, no lizard people or chemtrails to be seen.
    Big Pharmers have probably hidden them, in collusion with the globalist bankers.

    • Noesis

      Very cool footage.

      Love those herding dogs too.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      Herding dogs just amaze me !!

  • downtherabbithole

    Is there any bunker peeps who will be memorializing Howdycon 2017 as Aeger Primo did last year?

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/sets/72157669794817636

    I would be more than happy to capture event pic’s shared on Tony’s blog for a photo album and email them to those who have much more experience with photo albums.

    I shared with Aeger Primo last year and will miss her this year.

    Safe travels to all and enjoy the kinship.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      What happened to Aeger Primo ? She’s one of several who have gone MIA this past year. I liked her. Is she coming back?

      • downtherabbithole

        I have no idea but I am hoping that she is finding life very rich,fulling and full of joy.

        • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

          Me too.

      • TexasBroad

        I miss her also.

  • Observer

    I am happy to announce that with careful rearranging I was able to make room for all three of the lenses I was trying to decide between.

    I know you all have been waiting with bated breath.

    • flyonthewall

      you know you have to take a change of clothes too, right?

      • Observer

        My camera is not in my suitcase.

        • stanrogers

          And, frankly, a bag of those nose clips that synchronized swimmers use to hand out to other people takes up much less room than a couple of changes of clothing if it ever gets to that. Lens room is vital.

          • Observer

            That Helios lens, 30+ years old and all manual, is my favorite. Who wouldn’t love a lens that can get shots like this? Love that swirly bokeh.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0386a74238bef4ac46ae483e2739a7fa274f441426994df389c641c1c3b3de62.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ce8fb38a1b769fa6566c7d640ac1298335e73dd401e6aafec6cb493c90947b1.jpg

            • flyonthewall

              I hope you’re not taking that in checked baggage

            • Observer

              No. I have a combination camera bag/purse.

            • flyonthewall

              that’s my camera bag/purse I don’t know you!

            • Observer

              Is not!

            • stanrogers

              Yep. It’s almost like a Petzval, so you can choose to go all sepia and Margaret Cameron as well. Those new-fangled double-Gauss things just don’t know how to have fun.

            • EmmaDaoust

              It’s like you guys are speaking a whole other languageness.

            • stanrogers

              You should have heard me when I was an electronics guy working with computery communications technology in the military while running a photo studio as a moonlighting gig. Between the TLAs and the deep juju jargon, I’m not sure I could understand anything I said ten minutes after I said it, but it was vital it was said that way at the time.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Now that you’ve told me, you’re going to have to kill me.

            • stanrogers

              I’ve mostly forgotten all of the how-to-kill stuff. Dementia’s a bitch. But if you ever need help with your experimental helicopter-borne phased sonar array, I’m still your guy.

            • EmmaDaoust

              You’re on speed dial.

            • Observer

              Exactly!

    • downtherabbithole

      Oh this must mean some great HowdyCon pic’s in our near future, yes?

      • Observer

        Hopefully

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      Exhales noiselessly…..swoons.

    • sizzle8

      I knew you could do it if you just focused on the problem.

  • madame duran

    Oh? So the grand launch of Scientology TV didn’t happen by the announced date? Why am I not surprised?
    The countUP continues…
    https://www.tickcounter.com/countup/1464462000000/america-los_angeles/owd/FFFFFF3B5998000000FF0000/No_On-Air_Programming_since_SMP_Grand_Opening (months, weeks, days)
    http://www.webcountdown.net/?a=ZuRrbYa (days, hours, minutes, seconds)

    Psst…anyone got a Spectrum subscription?

    ===

    Mike Rinder’s letter is classy.
    Marty Rathbun previously said it’s difficult for him to make friends given his Scientology past. If he’s too stupid to value the one true friendship/support he had with Mike Rinder, then he can dwell in his boohoo-woe-is-me state for the rest of his days for all I care. He’s a full-on durrrr-head (i.e.a total idiot).

    ===

    So, it’s safe to say that the ABC Islands are now CLEAR???

    Also, wasn’t Bonaire being used as the Freewinds’ sewage dumping ground? I remember someone who was video documenting the cult ship whenever it docked on the island.

    ETA: aha, yes it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN3KXb9Hwj4 (first of three parts)

    • Phil McKraken

      I have a feeling that it’s not his Scientology association that makes it difficult to make friends. You could ask countless ex Scientologists what they think and I bet you’d hear a different story. Even from the ones, like Marty, who have been in the news. He seems like an interesting fellow to chat with over dinner, but he possibly also views himself as messianic, which is problematic when forming relationships. Just guessing. Seriously, I don’t know squat about that guy.

      • madame duran

        Going by what Marty had disclosed himself, one of the challenges in making new friends is his fear that they will become targets of Scientology or somehow embroiled in the nasty cult drama. If Scientology can make his wife’s life a living hell, it’s not hard to imagine his new neighbours suffering a similar fate just because they’re connected to him. Having to be constantly reminded of one’s nasty past is, let’s face it, a pain in the butt. Having a past that lives on in the form of a dangerous cult stalking and harassing you for days on end is unbearable. I think he has a legitimate concern (some may view it as karma but anyway…).

        However, other ex-Scientologists have been able to meet people and make new friends despite their Scientology past…so why not Marty? It’s as if he’s resigning to let Scientology forever dictate his life instead of forging ahead with his own plans, dreams, and desires. He doesn’t have to live in isolation and fear. He doesn’t have to accept the suggestion that he won’t ever be able to develop friendships. I think Marty is an expert in self-sabotage then blames others for his own misery. Being an arrogant jerk who acts like he’s above everyone else doesn’t help endear him to others either. I’m tired of his childish need for attention. I’m really sad that Monique seems to be stuck inside this man’s isolation bubble. Life after Scientology can be complicated at times, no doubt, but it doesn’t have to be a life sentence of drudgery. Being open and humble really helps with the transition. Marty doesn’t seem to get it and I find that so incredibly pathetic.

  • John McGhee

    Scientology to purchase evangelical cult’s former compound in Dublin’s suburbs? Creepy-looking and shades of Waco about it http://www.echo.ie/news/article/no-comment-from-church-of-scientology-amid-victory-centre-rumours

    • After the appearance of a VM van signwritten “Scientology Ireland” at the scene of the terrible fire in London it seems that your new Scientology facility is more than a political lobbying outfit.

      Do you think they are a kind of Sea Org ‘Tiger Team’ who will be sent in to European locations because Miscavige does not trust local Scientologists to properly exploit tragic situations.?

      If so, their performance in London (where a respectable reporter observed many people telling them to “fuck off”) does not seem to be equal to what HQ expected.

      • John McGhee

        Yet none of the VMs in the photos were people from Ireland. Graeme Wilson would be a London local. It’s all very bizarre

        • I wouldn’t put it past them to direct the locals from behind the scenes, so that nobody notices that the same people turn up all of the photo-ops..

          As you say – bizarre..

  • org-rat 1003

    (Off topic, sorry) We could all do what Rathbun has done and now say that he is in the AASCC (anti-anti-Scientology cult cult) this could go on ad in finitum. What a shame he felt he had to do this. I think what Jesse Prince described happening to him, when speaking at the Hamburg Symposium talk, when Rathbun first joined the Sea Org is the most understated event in his Scientology career and I think might even mean that he actually tried to leave Scientology FOUR times altogether but was, at that time, forcibly restrained and forcibly audited, ie, brainwashed to stay. I always thought that everything he did after this (as Inspector General or whatever) was a bit less his fault because he did genuinely try to bail and not many newbies have been forcibly audited to the extent he was. (This is just a personal impression, I quite ignorant of the details)

    • beauty for ashes

      this always made me want to root for Marty, but maybe it should just say something about Jesse.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqBA9qcu0Ws

      • iampissed

        Nice to see you posting.

        • Kestrel

          Yes, it is!

          • beauty for ashes

            nice to see you Big Bird!!! ;p

        • beauty for ashes

          Thanks! Well you know the cult programming wouldn’t let me leave for long. Big Pharma also gave me a cash incentive so you know it was an offer I couldn’t refuse!

          • EmmaDaoust

            Admit it, beauty, you’re really here for the caek.

            • beauty for ashes

              I do love the caek for breakfast 🙂

            • EmmaDaoust

              Caek, er, breakfast is the most important meal of the day!

  • Noesis

    This is one of those WTF moments where is is virtually impossible to decide if the guy doing this video is serious…or joking.

    Either way, it’s hilarious. Don’t feel the need to suffer through the whole thing – the first 30 seconds give the flavor – as well as most of the giggles to be had.

    This guy makes Marty Rathbun seem sane and convincing. (Maybe they are a dvoika?) Lol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01HFypUOf24

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      “worser” ? Better get that dictionary out and word check Andy. And yes of COURSE the Bunker has joined up with Anonymous…absolutely. That’s why all our AVIs are Guy Fawkes masks and none of us use our real names and faces. This is so bad its hilarious. I only listened until 1:37….that’s all I could take.

    • org-rat 1003

      Yeah, he’s completely serious I’m afraid, does it all day long, a Hubbardophile if you will.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        He’s being paid by the cherch, a penny per word…if it was good enough for the flounder, it’s gotta be good enough for $cn andy!

    • PeaceMaker

      Certainly in that beginning part, typically for a scientologist, all the accusations he makes describe exactly how Scientology attacks psychiatry as “all bad.” I wonder if he has made a video complaining similarly about the unfairness of Scientology doing that, using false generalizations and other propaganda techniques?

      • Noesis

        It’s beyond analysis.

        He’s disturbed.

    • salin

      He seems serious. But (I think unintentionally) funny.

      • Noesis

        He is the reason for Poe’s Law.

        • salin

          Indeed, he is.

    • Supper Powers

      He’s serious. He is a strange little indie.

      • stanrogers

        I think there may be a bit of redundancy in that last remark.

        • Supper Powers

          Ha! Maybe so. A few weeks ago I watched him have an independent freedom party for himself with music and cake and the camera. It was kind of pitiful. Especially because LRH’s photo was lording over him as he espoused his freedom.

          • stanrogers

            I get the feeling that there’s a lot more than just auditing that’s solo in his life.

      • beauty for ashes

        At least he’s not in his monstrous terry robe this time. **tee hee**

      • Noesis

        At the very end of the video a circular image appears in the upper left corner where Andy gives a little wave while holding what appears to be a doll (note arrow.)

        I do believe he’s serious, but the whole thing has a sort of Andy Kaufman / Borat kinda feel. Generally it’s not a good idea to make fun of the disturbed – but this IS funny. Lol.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b8befff7313475f865db42c4a8b60b67a48d8941f9c499454ed3937cd43c269.png

        • Supper Powers

          Oh that is really interesting. I will have watch a few of them again. That’s a new layer of mockery if he’s Kauffmanning the cult.

          • Noesis

            If he is mocking the cult, these videos are an very, very long runway to a fairly brief joke at the end.

            Funny either way. Lol.

        • beauty for ashes

          I’ve watched a few of his other serious videos, and although you guys may think he’s a kook he certainly wanted to talk seriously about Hubbard’s books and what he got from them. he also trash talks the church.

    • Susan black

      Love the way he pronounces “hating.” He’ll probably be hanging with us in the bunker within the year.

      • Susan black

        but there’s no way I’m gonna listen to all of it.

      • Supper Powers

        OH that would be grand!

    • beauty for ashes

      I’ve patiently sat through his video’s before. I was put off, like hey, I gave you a chance! Now we’re all weirdos! So sadly I only made it to three and a half minutes. I mean whatever. ****sniffle sniffle***

    • GrangerFX

      OK let’s focus on the good parts of Scientology. Hmm…. um… well… Nope! Can’t think of any.
      No wait! They make very nice bunkers.

  • TheLurkingHorror

    My favorite song by (the) Troika:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeH70X0VmUY

  • downtherabbithole
    • downtherabbithole

      Good night all and sweet dreams

      • Puget Buckeye

        Night night.

    • stanrogers

      Bob Marley? I didn’t know he could do such a good Bobby McFerrin impersonation. Was there no end to the man’s talent? Thanks for the song, though.

      • salin

        thanks for posting – any time (of any day) to get some Marley exposure is a better day. To our younger readers – who may not get the reference/wink – McFerrin’s version became ingrained in pop culture in the mid/late eighties – Marley, sadly, died in 1981.

        • stanrogers

          Well, yeah… I’m cool with the sentiment and all, but this is Bobby McFerrin (who wrote the song years after Marley passed, and definitely used Marley as a model for his reggae vibe in the performance). A lot of YouTube looks like what used to show up on Limewire (remember Limewire?) – some great tunes, but with really random artists and titles attached to them.

          • salin

            XD

    • downtherabbithole

      This is lovely Dodo. Thanks for sharing.

      Now I really do need to go to bed as my head is keeps dropping.

      • Sleep well.

          • beauty for ashes

            Stahp!!!!! Dodo if you play to much Loreena we’ll all peace out and forget to be the hateful vengeful people we are! Think of the Cult!

            • Puget Buckeye

              But wait!!!! Can’t we be the Peace Out Cult? POC. I’ll even let you guys use my avatar and everything. Think of the possibilities.

            • beauty for ashes

              I would like to be “peace and good eating” cult! There’s this famous chef Jaques Pepin who did a cooking show on PBS, and he used to say that at the end, and I started to think about him after I wrote that post. Wouldn’t that be better? Peace and Good Eating Cult? 🙂

            • Puget Buckeye

              And I’ve already volunteered to be on the refreshment committee. I’ll bring the brownies. wink wink nudge nudge. It’s legal here.

            • beauty for ashes

              Oooh never had brownies before! I’m not a great cook. I guess I didn’t think beyond the eating part. Peace Out Anti Scientiology Cult Club it is!

    • iampissed

      It’s lovely….if I might

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CIghrxxhQYs

      • I love Lorena’s songs. Thank you.

        • iampissed

          I had a feeling like you might…and thank you for bringing others who sing into my life.
          Now I need to go wash my underwear before meeting people. I think you understand.

          • beauty for ashes

            Good idea.

            • iampissed

              I think you understand also.

            • beauty for ashes

              Iampissed, I think we all understand……..especially if its about meeting people for the first time.
              Y’all are brave that are going to Howdy Con. I tell you what!

            • iampissed

              Um……..thank you. tear in eyes.

  • Gus Cox

    I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about another stupid video. What’s really interesting today is the Failwinds avoiding Dutch waters! The old A-B-C-A-B-C route that garbage scow used to take got boring as hell. Only rarely did the rustbucket go anywhere else. I don’t think that that sagging old shit-schooner has been away from the islands for more than 3 months ever. So this is big – much bigger than stupid Zegel oops Rathbun.

    St. Lucia is a beautiful place. The people there are nice and speak English and an interesting kind of French. Not a bad place to be stuck 😉

    I wonder what ol’ Captain Napier is afraid they’ll find out??

    • Supper Powers

      Who is your avi? If you don’t mind me asking.

    • PeaceMaker

      What’s dismaying is that one again they’ve slipped the noose – and are probably busy cleaning things up and destroying evidence.

  • salin

    Reminder to click recommend (some speculation suggests that the UBs comments and number of upvotes is part of what is driving MR’s grievance campaign of creative fabrications. Who needs self-induced fabricated space opera of former lives – when nature provides real space opera. At this time of line – in the longest days of light in the northern hemisphere – this Aurora Dance is rare. But on June 16, 2017 – in Provost, Alberta Canada – awesome! http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=136343&PHPSESSID=gpqkb9t404080dsenpdjoq43v0

    Appreciate Tony’s edition/installment today? Read (or engage in conversation) in the ensuing comments – consider clicking the heart/recommend (upper left hand of comments box.)

    Surely this is a far beyond150 rec – edition and comments at the Bunker?!

  • beauty for ashes

    Brain bleach <3 <3 <3 short and sweet and british
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drzq1x0mqjo&t=21s

    • iampissed

      Put a cracker on your dam head and see what happens.

      • beauty for ashes

        Don’t feed the meerkats. besides they seem to eat lizards whole, I doubt a cracker would do much for them. Did you see that?

        • iampissed

          Yea.

        • iampissed

          Well if it had a bit of Gouda on it…I’m in.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Aww. The little one in his shade. Love Meerkats.

  • TexasBroad

    Just got home and I need to pack. Hoping Cindy doesn’t delay my flight but if it does, I don’t imagine it will be for very long. I am so looking forward to seeing Bunkermates!

  • For all the folks going to HowdyCon:
    There will be lots of PIs and OSA types there.
    Make a game of identifying them, and do me a personal favor.
    Fuck with them. Of course in the funniest way possible.
    And take lots of pics and vids of them. Live stream if possible.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Shorpy, I like the way you think. If I were there, I think I would definitely fuck with them. Bigly. Walk up and introduce myself, make small talk, offer to buy them a beer. Throw them off their game. Upset someone’s “balance”, that’s my tactic.

  • Tony Ortega

    Let me preface this by saying what a relief it was to put some distance from that horrifying period, circa 1988 to about 1994, when the usual background noise of pseudoscience and woo suddenly seemed to coalesce into this monster mass delusion about satanic abuse and recovered memories. I’m no expert on the period, but I had my own brush with it in some stories I wrote, and I thought we all learned from it, that we should be skeptical when someone said that they had, 20 or 30 years after the fact, suddenly remembered not only that they had been sexually abused but — and this was such a salient part of the delusions of that era — that the abuse involved secret rings of abusers who were doctors and cops and politicians (always authority figures), who would pass the victim around and in group settings, sometimes in satanic rituals…

    Whew, thank goodness that is behind us, right?

    So I’m watching this new television series that everyone is talking about so positively, and after a glacially slow first couple of episodes that are really trying my patience, it unfolds that a cold case got new life when, 20 years after a murder, a woman came forward who not only had suddenly begun remembering sexual abuse at her high school by a prominent priest, but that he had passed her around to his cop buddies, fellow priests, and yes, even politicians. (I had literally said out loud, “where are the politicians?” and then she said politicians and I smacked my forehead.) And I couldn’t believe this television series not only was taking this seriously, but it didn’t have the decency to tell viewers that because this was happening in 1992 it was right in the thick of the recovered abuse memory epidemic. And then I learned that the filmmaker who was presenting this garbage as fact actually has a family connection or something to the woman making these claims, and it wasn’t revealed at all in the episodes I saw…

    After the third episode, I was so angry that this bullshit was being presented as fact, I went online looking forward to reading about actual journalists ripping this filmmaker to pieces for this obvious con job….

    And all I found was praise of the most credulous, fawning sort. Universal praise. Not even the slightest note of skepticism at the case being put together by a couple of amateur detectives and the film director, with his connection to the witness.

    Incredible. Absolutely incredible. I had no idea “The Keepers” was so intellectually dishonest, and no one, no one, seems to be questioning it.

    OK. Back to packing for HowdyCon.

    • stanrogers

      The up is for telling me, not for the return of the whole Michelle Remembers era. Crap. So many moles, so few mallets.

      • stanrogers

        Oh, and FWIW, EU courts have just decided that people can sue for things the evil vaccinations did to them without any causal evidence, so there’s that too.

      • beauty for ashes

        there are meerkats downstream, but they will just cheer you up.

    • You’ve met people before, right? Most of us are idiots. Hence …

      (eti: I dislike having to explain, but this one is kind of important – the “hence” has nothing to do with a majority of “us” that might be reading or the topics here, more like a state-of-the-world kinda stream of consciousness idiotic comment)

      • Taffy Sinclair

        ‘Sup Duck? You’re looking quite succulent tonight……

        Sorry, I’m hungry

        • Hi Taffy. Well, I co-started two cults and unironically used “knowingness” in a sentence. How are you?

          eti: *ducks off to a safe space* after realizing you’re hungry

          • Taffy Sinclair

            I used PTS type 3 AND enturbulate in some sentences, and people are concerned, like, REAL concerned…. And I never even did Narconon!!!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Rasha started 2 cults as well…..

    • beauty for ashes

      I don’t think there have been many stories about the people and the families affected of those falsely accused either. They are just supposed to be relieved or something. That’s nauseating.

    • PeaceMaker

      I don’t have time right now to look it up, but if it’s the case I’m thinking of, it also involves a therapist who is using dubious memory “recovery” techniques.

      False Memory Syndrome is also induced by Dianetics and Scientology processing in almost exactly the same way, with supposed infant and in-the-womb memories (and probably some early childhood memories as well), and then particularly with past lives; I’ve cited the scientific research verifying this, previously. Scientology than exploits that false past life belief and the presumption of reincarnation in future lives, to get individuals to do all sorts of things to their personal disadvantage in this life – including treating others as expendable.

      • The consensus among experts today is that memories are not recorded, as if we were computers (which is stated by Hubbard in his book “Dianetics”). Rather we reconstruct and reinterpret the raw materials of a memory every time we turn to it.

        The accuracy of this process can easily be interfered with by suggesting things that didn’t actually happen – couldn’t have happened.

        There is one example of a researcher who asked people about their memories of visiting Disneyland as a child. After a few well-placed suggestions she explored their new memory of having interacted with Warner Brothers cartoon characters there. The subjects confabulated, without being aware of it, to keep the memory consistent, and were mightily puzzled when the contradiction was pointed out.

        That was in one session. If you have perceived authority, and plenty of time to work you can convince people of just about anything. It does’nt even have to be consistent.

        This is pretty much what Scientology auditing does except that, in the case of ‘previous lives’ it knits fragments of experience together into a memory that didn’t previous exist. This is not hypnotism, but the result of repeatedly throwing a spanner into the works of memory over a long period of time.

        Also, Scientology can apply social and disciplinary sanctions to insure that you don’t question the inevitable bizarre contradictions
        (e.g. why were so many people Cleopatra or Gengis
        Khan in a previous life?) at all.

    • salin

      A good friend that I worked with just after college, went on to get a Phd in Psychology. In the latter part of the time frame (of the craze and coverage of ‘recovered memory’ incidents that led to major crime cases and prosecutions), moved into the research arena of recovered memories. Involved with studies that worked to measure the degree to which suggestibility could effect memories from years ago. Very interesting work.

      Your skepticism, well founded.

      Safe travels. Jealous of all you who will convene. Look forward to whatever vicarious experiences those of us not able to convene can glean.

      • Liberated

        I’ll be looking for you sat. night, so we can vicariously convene together.

        Bring a covered dish..( I swear, I almost wrote covefefe dish )…I swear !

        • beauty for ashes

          Let’s hope Baby wears a see-through shirt again and talks to the camera for a long time! LOL We’ll all be in the envy booth.

          • Liberated

            Fingers crossed 🙂

        • salin

          Sounds like a nice way to spend Sat night. Thinking of recipes of what to create to be in the covefefe dish.

    • Were there inexplicable tunnels and pizza involved?

      • beauty for ashes

        teenage mutant ninja turtles?

      • Puget Buckeye

        Great! Now I want pizza. Thanks a lot!

      • mandymarie20

        I’m sure Alex Jones is on it

    • Sherbet

      If nobody else is going to say it, maybe you should.

    • I did not watch whatever the show is you’re referring to. But I have some experience with two relatives (one close, one not immediate family) that have had to deal with the impact of the aftermath of child sexual abuse, including that committed by clergy. A former Supermodel #1 was a therapist with a number of clients in that situation so I have heard plenty about other cases as well. So here’s my take:

      For people who are actually victims of child sexual abuse, turning the abuse by a single individual in a position of power into a massive coordinated enterprise with dozens of abusers scheming to abuse them and other victims may be a way of trying to deal with the trauma of what happened. Fundamentally, the mind is attempting to protect the victim by saying that the assault that happened was so overwhelming that they couldn’t have protected themselves. It’s difficult for the victim accept the reality that, as a child, they lack the defenses to say “no” to an experienced predator, even if they’ve been told repeatedly to “just say no,” which is really not much help at all. In other words, some people have to construct a major drama in order to be able to forgive themselves for their inability, as a six year old, to outwit a monster with instincts and training to prey on them. It’s hard to understand the exact mechanisms at work in the minds of victims but it’s understandable that they have to do something to try to deal with the awfulness of what happened.

      There absolutely are cases of “recovered memory syndrome” where abuse is a fabrication encouraged by either corrupt or ill-trained/incompetent therapists, or by therapists whose political/social agenda is more important than effective patient care. They can either intentionally or accidentally encourage victims to inflate their memory of what happened.

      The problem is that you can’t use the falsity of some recovered memory cases to dismiss all claims of repressed memories of abuse surfacing years later. Enough are true that you can’t responsibly assume every single middle-aged patient claiming to recover memories of childhood abuse is lying about every single part of their abuse story. Responsible therapists today know that know that there’s often some grain of truth at the heart of full-blown ritual abuse stories and that you don’t have to treat a patient’s stories of a far-ranging conspiracy of abuse as literally true in all respects in order to help them heal.

      Given my family history, I have profound sympathy for true victims. But I have little tolerance for others who were not directly victims of abuse taking such claims as literal truth. It is difficult to be calm and rational when a victim is going through their attempt to process stuff. In some way it’s easier for society to pretend that a victim’s story about an elaborate wide-ranging conspiracy of abusers might be true than it is to confront the real truth about abuse in our society. The real truth is that the number of predators is quite small, and the lack of vigilance on the part of many in our system who are supposed to protect children means that each predator racks up dozens of victims on average and many (if not most) are never brought to justice. It’s hard to accept our culpability as a society for willful blindness towards lone wolves; easier to figure that we as a society aren’t responsible for abuse if the abusers are so powerful that they have Illuminati-like secret cabals penetrating every nook and cranny of our world.

      The net result is that a sizable percentage of our population is sexually abused as children — real estimates (not the hysterical numbers currently being bandied about for campus rape, but numbers derived after decades of research) suggest 10% to 15% of children are sexually abused and traumatized in childhood. And the effects over their lifetimes will be dramatic in suicide rate, depression, substance abuse, failed relationships, etc. We can actually do something about the problem and we should have been doing something about it because it is made up almost entirely all lone-wolf predators out there that we’re simply not doing enough to catch. And we’re certainly not doing enough for legitimate victims of real abuse to help them heal and to deal with secondary issues like addiction and mental health problems.

      This is a tough problem to crack and it is one that is my main passion for charitable activity, so I’m sorry to go on so long about it, but it’s something that has affected my family deeply and I have committed to taking action on it. And it does piss me off to see irresponsible journalism sensationalizing stuff and distracting from focus on effective and real solutions.

      • beauty for ashes

        PLease don’t apologize. that was eloquent and illuminating. <3

      • Eclipse-girl

        I was abused as a child. Not by my parents. Not so much sexually abused – long story not going there, for my sense of self.

        I heard this story on NPR. The woman who tells her story, tells of a horriffic story that I doubt any individual could contain. The tale if true, was of a child who experienced a great deal of trauma.

        I believe that our community is empathetic and compassionate. I also belive that our bleeding hearts can leave us open to be used, yet again. What is the expression? Catfishing?

        Just be careful and give these tales an extra grain of salt.

    • iampissed

      Washing my underwear…….literally.
      ETA: literally…headed for Denver.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Heard about this on NPR and I do remember the BS that was happening.

      Thank you for keeping it real.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      I watched that as well and was frankly incredulous. It was ridiculous. Good reviews? WHAT did they watch because it couldn’t have been what I saw. Anymore I believe that real journalism is on life support.

    • Phil McKraken

      In case you have never read Lawrence Wright’s book Remembering Satan, you should check in on one of the more bizarre cases of this type. A local politician is accused by his own children of abusing them, and the tale grows to them being passed around to his colleagues in the Sheriff’s Dept. The unusual aspect here is that the man confessed all, and then claimed that he confessed only under coercion. He served his full sentence. And then there’s the McMartin preschool case. Oy.

      This stuff repeats because people have short memories, are generally ignorant of the past and are fucking gullible.

    • Robert Eckert

      A friend of mine died in prison over that kind of case.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        ? How..

        • Robert Eckert

          He had cancer. His accuser was recanting and remorseful but beaten up by the family, ran away and disappeared. The courts were slowly sorting it out when he solved the problem by dying.

    • flyonthewall

      I know the show you’re talking about, just watched it on Netflix. The murdered nun and molested female students etc. Man, now that’s gonna bug me.

    • stillgrace2

      There is no denying, however, that the Catholic Church passed known pedophile priests from parish to parish with no warning.

    • PattyCakenfeld

      The show is nominated against Aftermath for the TCA awards and my guess is that it’ll win. If that stokes your rage any.

    • in the UK, there was a ‘satanic abuse’ scare trumpted up by a few social workers in an isolated community. They were evangelical Christians belonging to a slightly hysterical sect, who dramatised themselves by seeing what they wanted to see – ‘satanic abuse’.

      People had their kids taken away for years, until the whole thing was examined by outside professionals who concluded that it was a 20th century witch hunt.

      The ‘evidence’ that was used would have been laughable, if the consequences had not been so tragic. For example, the local priest came around to comfort the families who though they had lost their kids. He left his old-fashioned cloak, with a fancy clasp, on the back of a chair. This was subsequently identified as part of a satanic costume that ‘proved’ ritual abuse was taking place.

      The remarkable thing is how people with that preoccupation cherry-picked ‘evidence’ that could have meant just about anything, and famed it in terms of an incoherent belief. Also that they got away with it for so long.

      The ‘recovered memory’ nonsense didn’t even come into this. It was sheer witch hunt.

      I suspect that the ‘fawning’ you describe is partly due to journalists not wanting to to suffer the standard response given to critics of a witch hunt – you’re only saying that because you’re one of them. That is also what sustains such things – so they totally failed in their duty.

      That, and there’s money in associating your paper with popular television.

    • AntoniaW

      Yes. We had a parallel hysteria here in the UK, and it was terrifying at the time to see that the justice system did not work. Children taken away from parents, social workers/psychologists inadequately questioned by the courts, the principle of innocent until proven guilty thrown out of the window…it was as if we had collectively taken leave of our senses. V important to note if the whole hideous delusion starts to rear its ugly head again, through films like “The Keepers” or any other conduit.

    • richelieu jr

      I thought the subject (and too remember all-too-well this period, with the McMartin Preschool being destroyed looking for the hidden complex of underground statanic toruture chambers, then finding nothing and him STILL going to prison) was well-handled in this film:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_(film)

      Some of the ‘regression’ hypnotists were well-meaning but nonetheless as leading as Hubbard to get the kids (especially) and others to ‘remember what they wanted them to remember..

      All these daughters and grandsons and classmates and women on Donahue, Oprah? Sally Jesse Raphael, remembering how their later father tortured and rapped them en masses; secret graves, snuff films…

      AND NONE OF IT WAS TRUE!!!

      (for you maybe, but then, Get thee to a dumbery!

      (erm, excuse me “Org”!)

      Freud et al warned against his sort of leading hypnosis (and ESPECIALLY PAST LIFE HYPNOSIS) for good reason.

      The moment L Ron saw how compliant and gullible people became in front ff a crowd, he realized he had an audience for all his crappy stories at last. No more criticism; critics, only willing thralls who thought he was the bees-knees and the fat fuck never shut his gob again.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • beauty for ashes

      she’s also got a fast car 🙂

  • Taffy Sinclair

    I must ask. I have seen “We stand tall” many times, picking it apart (for my own amusement.)

    That scene w/ Noelle North doing… whatever… well, are “auditing” sessions always dramatic w/ whack-job hand-motions and forced laughter???? I’m super perplexed!!!!

    • Taffy Sinclair

      And who’s the cute redhead between Mark’s Yager and Inger in the choir scene???

  • iampissed

    Tony just to let ya know. I have a very good friend (best man at wedding to MC1R) in Denver, I had to fess up to being a bunkierite. He said that he had run across it in his net travels. High Praise Indeed.

    • grundoon

      MC1R The Magazine for Redheads?

  • iampissed

    Well kids I’m off to shower and shave, I wish you all well. Tomorrow is a day of discovery.
    We will disagree, we will discover, we WILL cry. We will come to understand differences among ourselves.
    In the end it will all be fine!
    PS…..my underwear is clean.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Good news on the underwear. Have a good time, travel safe.

  • Puget Buckeye

    Hello, Can someone help me out here. What does it mean when all of someone’s comments disappear? At least I think it’s all of the comments. Were they booted or did they quit? I don’t know what to make of it.

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      Usually it means they have quit for now… Rarely does anyone get booted…

    • grundoon

      Ragequit or banned.

  • Robert Eckert

    I hoped to post “Colorado, I am in you!” tonight. Somehow “Kansas, I am almost out of you!” doesn’t have the same ring. Oh well, still on track to be in Denver in timely fashion.

    • Kim O’Brien

      drive safe 😉

  • Vaquera
    • Newiga

      Morning, sweetie! Safe travels! X

      • Vaquera

        Morning, girlie. x

  • Sorry if it gets posted twice.. This is the downsizing that works like a mind wash to me. Look at this crap I’ve carried around since early 70’s. VapoRub! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cc3769226a64db6fd940f8f28ea59a4b122dc5f19220a70a2c1855f399d2502.jpg

    • No body cares? No one laughed? Am I all alone? I’m going traveling. I’ll tell you to your face%. Fun days:)

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        I’ve had a rollercoaster couple days of Urgent Care, Dr, etc… always funny to see all the random stuff we hold onto for years!!! Hoping your trip is fun & your route brings you someplace where you’ll be surrounded by ❤️

        I hear Colorado is amazing this time of year! 😘😋

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