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John Brousseau: Marty Rathbun is putting words in my mouth about the FBI’s Scientology probe

[John Brousseau]

We tried to stay away from Mark “Marty” Rathbun’s sad videos, we really did. We got two whole days away from commenting on his bizarre turnaround, which has him trying to rewrite the historical record in order to smear people he once said glowing things about. But once again, he’s really stepped over a line and we felt compelled to say something.

Rathbun was once the second-highest ranking official in Scientology before he left in 2004, and then resurfaced in 2009 with an important website that, for several years, became a rallying point for former church members who were critical of Scientology leader David Miscavige. Rathbun also became personally involved in numerous cases of litigation, and gave innumerable press interviews. We have previously mapped the curious arc that Rathbun’s website traveled between 2009 and the present, including its strange turn last year as Rathbun began attacking other former church members like Ron Miscavige Sr.

And now, he’s been putting out this new set of videos, rolling them out in short segments of a few minutes, and focused mainly on Lawrence Wright’s 2013 history, Going Clear. In the newest segment, Rathbun is challenging the reported accounts of why the 2009-2010 FBI investigation of Scientology ended, criticizing Lawrence Wright’s view of it. (Rathbun lumps us in with Wright, but actually, we’ve been quite open that we disagree with Wright and the Tampa Bay Times about why the FBI probe ended, and our story about it actually relied on Marty Rathbun’s account, confirmed by Mike Rinder and Marc Headley.)

Anyway, Rathbun has now changed his tune and says the FBI probe ended for quite another reason, and that’s because of the testimony of John Brousseau, who defected from Scientology’s secretive International Base near Hemet, California in 2010. Rathbun says that Brousseau contradicted other witnesses who had come out of the church earlier (Tom DeVocht, Mike Rinder, the Headleys, and Rathbun himself), and it proved to the FBI that it had no case…

John Brousseau told the FBI, “I have seen no violence on behalf of David Miscavige or anybody else at the upper levels of Scientology. I have seen no evidence of anything resembling this thing they called the Hole, for several, for the several years that I’d been there since most of these people left.” None of this stuff, that was the advertised crux of the FBI investigation, existed. The only percipient witness, the only person who was in a position to know, and a position to see, who was speaking on behalf of the complainants, said, “there’s no there there.”

Once again, Rathbun is promoting things that completely contradict what he said earlier and what others did as well.

In fact, here’s what John Brousseau told us about The Hole and talking to the FBI for our story at the Village Voice in 2012…

“It was a group seance, a total mindfuck. They were being told to confess their crimes,” Brousseau says.

“They were up there for about three days. Miscavige was trying to figure out what to do with them. Then, all of a sudden I got called by one of his personal secretaries, Ailon Barram, who told me to meet him at the CMO Int trailers,” he says.

Brousseau was told that Miscavige wanted the trailers made secure. “He wants steel bars put on the three doors. He wants it so no one can blow from this place,” he says.

“So I went down to the big garage. I knew where everything was. I rummaged around and found some real heavy chrome-plated steel tubing. Kind of oval. I went and measured every door, cut the pipe, made holes in the end with a drill press, and then put them on with these big ass nasty screws. I put bars on each of the three doors. In the windows, I put in a block with weird screws that no one would have a bit for in their pocket,” he says.

“The next morning, these people all got marched down to the new ‘Hole’ that I’d built. I’d turned it into a prison.”

When Brousseau left the base six years later, in 2010, there were still 80 to 100 executives being held in the place that came to be known as “The Hole.”

“It was Miscavige at his absolute worst. There were a lot of people in there. I was never in it. I just put the bars on the doors. But the people outside, they talked about it like it was a comedy. You had to be in agreement, too. You didn’t know who was going to turn you in. It was just this fear factor.”

As the Tampa Bay Times reported in its landmark 2009 investigation, “The Truth Rundown,” one of the worst mind games in The Hole occurred in 2004, when Miscavige had his disgraced executives play a game of “musical chairs” to the sound of Queen’s “Bohemian Rhapsody,” promising that he planned to ship the losers that night to Scientology’s most godforsaken, far-flung locations around the planet.

“Miscavige wanted a bunch of U-Haul trucks parked by the door. He told me, rent three 24-foot U-Haul trucks, park them right by the front door. So when the people in The Hole came out for showers in the morning, they’d see them. It was just to make the ‘musical chairs’ thing more dramatic. Those trucks were there for three weeks,” he says.

“I remember telling the FBI this. I told them, there have to be records to prove what I was saying was true. You could find a receipt at the U-Haul in Hemet for three trucks that only had 18 miles each on them, the distance up to the base and back.”

So let’s review. Not only did John Brousseau personally put the bars on the windows and doors at the beginning of The Hole in 2004, but he told the FBI about the sadistic mind games, and even gave the FBI information that he believed they could use to independently confirm the Hole’s brutality.

Gosh, that’s about as completely opposite from what Marty Rathbun is now saying as you can get.

Last night, we heard from John Brousseau himself. He gave us this statement:

I am not sure why Marty says what he does about me. He puts words in my mouth about what I discussed with the FBI that are not true.

I had many discussions with the FBI. Marty was party to less than half of them.

I have already elaborated in the past on everything I saw, experienced and did while in the church. I don’t need to, nor do I have any desire to refute anything or regurgitate things that are easy to locate if anyone wants to. People are not stupid and can decide for themselves the likely truth.

I bear no ill will towards Marty. I have always considered him a good friend and he helped me in the darkest times when I first left the church. It is a free country. People have a right to their opinions and can say pretty much anything they like. They are free to be who they are and live how they want and choose their beliefs, their friends and acquaintances or not.

I have come a long way since 2010. I am happy. What my personal feelings are about Scientology or the various people on either side of things is really irrelevant. I won’t speak ill as to anyone’s character or actions or beliefs. And I am free to have mine as well. The only exception is when they cross that line and harm the livelihood of others. That is wrong and I will forever speak against such things. And if they stop then I will stop.

 
We know some of you are sick of Marty Rathbun and his train wreck videos. But once again he’s trying to rewrite history, and we wanted to point that out with a couple of memes.

 

 
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in 2012 was quite clear: Marc and Claire Headley had been treated appallingly in Scientology’s Sea Org and had plenty of evidence to prove it — but they sued under the wrong law. Somehow, Marty tries to spin that, saying that the Headleys, “factually,” had no case at all…

 

 
Our recent Rathbun coverage:

June 17: Paul Haggis: Marty Rathbun is using private info I gave him against Lawrence Wright
June 16: Marty Rathbun’s project becomes clear: Someone’s worried about Scientology & the IRS
June 15: Marty Rathbun, Victoria Britton has a question for you about Scientology and judges
June 14: Marty Rathbun tries to rewrite the record on Scientology spying. But we have the dox.
June 9: Thanks for the slick videos, Marty Rathbun. Here’s a not very slick one for you.

 
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Aaron Smith-Levin on surveillance in Clearwater

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here for details.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,787 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,544 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,890 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,384 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,424 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,136 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 662 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,751 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,891 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,211 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,186 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 542 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,844 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 951 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,353 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,226 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 807 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,312 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,556 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,665 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 20, 2017 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Supper Powers

    I cannot make HowdyCon this year, but I will ever baking 4 dozen of my famous Troika Clusters and shipping them to the hotel.

    • Boo on not being able to make it to Denver! Yay for clusters!

    • PattyCakenfeld

      Trefoil clusters?

    • stanrogers

      That sounds a lot more like a dessert power than a supper power to me.

      • Supper Powers

        Dessert power is my top secret super power.

  • A Special O/T HowdyCon Announcement for things to do in Denver. Please read to see a special Howdycon recreational offer which is totally free. Just let me know via email if you have interest.

    First a proud father moment, my daughter Jacy graduated law school last Dec and on my way moving from Ojai, CA to Atlanta area we spent much of the Christmas season preparing her to take her bar exam. Last month she received notice she passed and was immediately hired by one of St. Louis’ oldest law firms as an attorney the day after being sworn in. She is moving into a new place next Tuesday, Wed and Thurs which means her proud father is driving first to Howdycon with a Prius loaded with tennis balls and rackets to offer free world class coaching to all Bunkerites at Howdycon.

    My website (not yet complete but tells enough) is http://www.moderntenniscoaches.com. I specialize in making beginners instantly hit like pros (at slower speeds first). Check out the video of the five year old in 90 seconds hitting every ball over the net after he couldn’t hit a single soft ball in and then I showed him how to hit real balls instantly.

    https://www.moderntenniscoaches.com/about-john

    (note: the black shirted coach in the video above 5 year old Jake speaking with me is OT5 Oscar Wegner, originally of Argentina, who will be 78 next month)

    My email is mtmcoach@hotmail.com. The coaching is free to Bunkerites. Rackets and balls aplenty are provided. Kim says Saturday is going to be beautiful. Let’s play some tennis if there is interest.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Congratulations, you must all be very proud 🙂

  • Chee Chalker

    Methinks Marty is projecting a wee bit. He wanted to be head honcho.

    This is a little long, but apropos. Especially the last two sentences.

    From his blog:

    Greetings to OSA Staff and Executives,

    This is a briefing specifically for you.

    I’ve had a little bit of time to start piecing together the magnitude of the operation you’ve had down here on Ingleside on the Bay concerning my wife and myself. It’s beginning to get a price tag that makes the Broeker affair look like a walk in the park by comparison.

    I couldn’t help but think about you guys as I was crunching the numbers as I was counting the cameras and counting the numbers of PIs. As you probably know, I don’t really put a lot of attention on it. I don’t really care too much about your prying eyes. I don’t even attempt to evade your people because I know you got so many of them down here, it’s a waste of time anyway. And there’s nothing to hide here, more importantly.
    Sometimes you really got to step back and ask yourself: Is all this worth it?

    Every once in a while it makes a lot of sense to step back and review the bidding before you just blow all your chips. You guys are doing a magnificent job of carrying out Command Intention and that’s for sure. Because I know Dave, he’s got a prurient interest in Everything Marty.

    But you know, step back for a second and ask yourselves: “Why?” and “To what end?”

    Is he improving the situation? Am I becoming less influential? Am I becoming less effective? If you answered that “yes”, then you’re either smoking dope, or you are in some kind of parallel universe that really borders on psychosis. Because I am flourishing and prospering. We are flourishing and prospering. And the Scientology independent movement is flourishing and prospering. Take a step back and look at what the net effect of all the millions you’re spending trying to stop me is doing. What is it really doing for Scientology? Think about that.

    This is not a personal plea about me personally, this is a bigger thing. This is a third and fourth dynamic argumentation. Think about who is doing more for the third and fourth dynamic. You and your PIs under the orders of David Miscavige, or me? Just think about it. Think about it before you go to bed, think about it when you have any private moments. Or try not to think about it. [smile] Now, when you do that thinking and if you come to your senses and realize what’s going on, let me tell you something.

    Do you remember when Daniel Montalvo took off with the harddrives, and you all went down to the sheriff’s department and Rick Moxon went in there and tried to make a case because I had posted an encouragement to people on the inside to take documentary evidence outside with them as they exit? Remember what happened with that? Absolutely nothing.

    Do you want to know why? Because what I said is true. And it’s doubly true for you guys. And it’s triply true for you guys with respect to me. And that is this. Let me spell it out to you.

    There are ongoing criminal investigations into your boss David Miscavige. There are ongoing civil matters that are in courts concerning David Miscavige and the Church. And there are a number of legal actions in the process of being prepared concerning David Miscavige and the Church.

    YOU are in possession of and are creating on a daily basis evidence of an ongoing criminal conspiracy that’s of relevance to all of these matters. And therefore being evidence of ongoing criminal conspiracies, YOU are not only privileged to, you have a DUTY to gather up all the evidence that you can find that has to do with the operations that you’ve been doing to try to silence and trying to crush and trying to stop me and others around me, you are under a DUTY to gather all that evidence and get it off the premises and into my hands, so that I may finish my work unobstructed. Okay?

    Now, the reference here for you is “LRH Talk to WW Ethics Officers”. Remember that one? I put it into all OSA Hats, so you pretty much ought to know it. What is the first thing that the Ethics Officer looks for: Who is trying to stop the Ethics Officer?

    Guess what? It’s Your BOSS. Okay?

    Get the reports. Get the evidence. Get them to me. And I will guarantee you this. I will guarantee you this. You will absolutely have complete immunity and complete protection of any type of liability. I am telling you right now I am guaranteeing you that protection and I am guaranteeing you that ability, which will be an incredibly important thing for you because it will help you to make good on what you’ve been doing to stop Scientology by forwarding Miscavige’s plans.

    So take it from an old vet. The best thing you can do for yourself spiritually and for the group Scientology is to get the evidence. Alright? There’s file cabinets full of it. And there’s disks full of it. Get the evidence copied, and get it out, and get it right here Casablanca Tejas. You all know the address. As a matter of fact, you got a camera on me right now.

    Bring it here. Absolute immunity. Instant Ethics Protection. And essentially a cleared ethics file and a clean slate.

    Now doesn’t that sound a little more appealing than the crazy thought-stopping hell that you live in?

    See you soon.

  • Chee Chalker

    Methinks Marty is projecting a wee bit. He wanted to be head honcho.

    This is a little long, but apropos. Especially the last two sentences.

    From his blog:

    Greetings to OSA Staff and Executives,

    This is a briefing specifically for you.

    I’ve had a little bit of time to start piecing together the magnitude of the operation you’ve had down here on Ingleside on the Bay concerning my wife and myself. It’s beginning to get a price tag that makes the Broeker affair look like a walk in the park by comparison.

    I couldn’t help but think about you guys as I was crunching the numbers as I was counting the cameras and counting the numbers of PIs. As you probably know, I don’t really put a lot of attention on it. I don’t really care too much about your prying eyes. I don’t even attempt to evade your people because I know you got so many of them down here, it’s a waste of time anyway. And there’s nothing to hide here, more importantly.
    Sometimes you really got to step back and ask yourself: Is all this worth it?

    Every once in a while it makes a lot of sense to step back and review the bidding before you just blow all your chips. You guys are doing a magnificent job of carrying out Command Intention and that’s for sure. Because I know Dave, he’s got a prurient interest in Everything Marty.

    But you know, step back for a second and ask yourselves: “Why?” and “To what end?”

    Is he improving the situation? Am I becoming less influential? Am I becoming less effective? If you answered that “yes”, then you’re either smoking dope, or you are in some kind of parallel universe that really borders on psychosis. Because I am flourishing and prospering. We are flourishing and prospering. And the Scientology independent movement is flourishing and prospering. Take a step back and look at what the net effect of all the millions you’re spending trying to stop me is doing. What is it really doing for Scientology? Think about that.

    This is not a personal plea about me personally, this is a bigger thing. This is a third and fourth dynamic argumentation. Think about who is doing more for the third and fourth dynamic. You and your PIs under the orders of David Miscavige, or me? Just think about it. Think about it before you go to bed, think about it when you have any private moments. Or try not to think about it. [smile] Now, when you do that thinking and if you come to your senses and realize what’s going on, let me tell you something.

    Do you remember when Daniel Montalvo took off with the harddrives, and you all went down to the sheriff’s department and Rick Moxon went in there and tried to make a case because I had posted an encouragement to people on the inside to take documentary evidence outside with them as they exit? Remember what happened with that? Absolutely nothing.

    Do you want to know why? Because what I said is true. And it’s doubly true for you guys. And it’s triply true for you guys with respect to me. And that is this. Let me spell it out to you.

    There are ongoing criminal investigations into your boss David Miscavige. There are ongoing civil matters that are in courts concerning David Miscavige and the Church. And there are a number of legal actions in the process of being prepared concerning David Miscavige and the Church.

    YOU are in possession of and are creating on a daily basis evidence of an ongoing criminal conspiracy that’s of relevance to all of these matters. And therefore being evidence of ongoing criminal conspiracies, YOU are not only privileged to, you have a DUTY to gather up all the evidence that you can find that has to do with the operations that you’ve been doing to try to silence and trying to crush and trying to stop me and others around me, you are under a DUTY to gather all that evidence and get it off the premises and into my hands, so that I may finish my work unobstructed. Okay?

    Now, the reference here for you is “LRH Talk to WW Ethics Officers”. Remember that one? I put it into all OSA Hats, so you pretty much ought to know it. What is the first thing that the Ethics Officer looks for: Who is trying to stop the Ethics Officer?

    Guess what? It’s Your BOSS. Okay?

    Get the reports. Get the evidence. Get them to me. And I will guarantee you this. I will guarantee you this. You will absolutely have complete immunity and complete protection of any type of liability. I am telling you right now I am guaranteeing you that protection and I am guaranteeing you that ability, which will be an incredibly important thing for you because it will help you to make good on what you’ve been doing to stop Scientology by forwarding Miscavige’s plans.

    So take it from an old vet. The best thing you can do for yourself spiritually and for the group Scientology is to get the evidence. Alright? There’s file cabinets full of it. And there’s disks full of it. Get the evidence copied, and get it out, and get it right here Casablanca Tejas. You all know the address. As a matter of fact, you got a camera on me right now.

    Bring it here. Absolute immunity. Instant Ethics Protection. And essentially a cleared ethics file and a clean slate.

    Now doesn’t that sound a little more appealing than the crazy thought-stopping hell that you live in?

    See you soon.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      The thirst is REAL!!! Marty, seek some water. Lest you be overboarded….

    • JustSheila

      Wow, that was weird. Sounds like he thinks he’s a reincarnated Hubbard or something.

    • PeaceMaker

      Interesting, thanks for that (which was Posted on October 25, 2012, for anyone who wants the time context).

      Like everything else, it just has to start off with his sense of self importance. Scientology spent $10 million just on the PIs known to have been following Broeker, probably not taking into account inflation and all sorts of things we don’t (yet) know about; I don’t think they can have spent but a fraction of that on Rathbun, and by one means or another, but certainly with unintended foot-bullet self-sabotage by Rathbun himself, he’s been neutralized much more quickly.

      I do think he’s right, that the CofS wasn’t really succeeding in undermining him, or the independents – he and they just did it to themselves.

      • Chee Chalker

        I was also struck by his offer of ‘amnesty’ and a clean ethics file.

        Huh? Someone leaves one cult and then jumps into the cult of Marty?

        Maybe Miscavige gave Marty super secret Kha Khan status. And this time it will stick.

        • Kestrel

          There is only one Kha Khan in the Cof$.

    • grundoon

      Marty refers to tape 6711C18 SO “A Talk to St. Hill & WW Ethics Officers” from 18 Nov 1967. I didn’t find a transcript.

  • Observer

    HOWDYCON ATTENDEES:

    How many of you don’t want your faces shown in pics that will be posted on the Bunker? ’cause I’ve had a brainstorm…

    • Rasha

      I’m fine with it.

    • I don’t mind. I have gone public anyway; I’m driving and offering free tennis clinics and lessons. At your service, Howdycon. Put your groups together and I provide rackets and balls. I will also be a designated driver for those who are not yet done imbibing the finer body thetans which we degraded beings refer to as “spirits” while partying in life, lol.

    • An Observortex! That’s the best kind of storm.

      • Restrictive baggage rules mean I have to leave my costume trunk at home. Let the chips fall where they may. If they don’t know who I am after 20 years of breadcrumbs, they must not really care.

        • stanrogers

          You’ve got room for chips and bread, but not for costumes?

          • Carbs. Gotta have mah carbs.

        • flyonthewall

          wear the costume while you travel. That way you don’t have to pack it

          • Kestrel

            That goes over so well in the TSA area.

            • flyonthewall

              i think it would. That job is so boring, they’d appreciate the laugh

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ooh!

    • TexasBroad

      I don’t mind my face shown. If anyone wants to hide behind me, they can, but they will probaby have to duck. I’m DMs height. (Bunkering from the dentist chair is keeping me calm)

      • Vaquera

        You could hide behind a whisp of bamboo, missy.

      • i won’t be there, so if you happen to feel a need to duck behind this Broad, please do it succulently

    • stanrogers

      Sorry to hear that, Obs. Hope you get well soon.

      • Rasha

        …It’s the lightning that ya gotta watch out for……

      • Kestrel

        Sweet Xenu, I’m dense. I refreshed just to read the presumed edit.

        • stanrogers

          It’s the special stealth paint I use.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Guy Fawkes masks???!!??

      • Observer

        Nope…even better!

    • flyonthewall

      can you shoop me into the pics so it looks like I’m there?

      • Vaquera

        Imma miss you

        • flyonthewall

          it’s better this way *wipes tear* No! Shh shh shh don’t say anything. We’ll always have this moment

          • Vaquera

            My eyes are juicy

          • Puget Buckeye

            Uh, should I leave and give you guys some privacy?

            • gtsix

              pssst, we’re all hiding in the bathroom with the video equipment. Beers in the tub.

            • Puget Buckeye

              On my way. I’ll grab the chips.

    • Andrew Robertson

      Are you going to use jigsaw tech? Who would recognize the suppressive Fly and Jimmy3 in this picture…

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a4f213ec9b9187d50c2f4e16ece69adeeb136da09f12a08bc7c0f1590609a8f.jpg

  • Noesis

    In video # 22 Marty says (paraphrasing) that he told Leah Remini he would only help on a Scientology related documentary if it “was objective and showed people how to get along better in life.”

    I guess Marty would use his own post-Sea Org experience as an actual example of “how to get along better in life” because he has been so marvelously successful with everything he has done since leaving.

    Few friends, no job, openly mocked / distrusted by thousands, holed up in a forgotten backwater in Texas.

    Lol.

    Now seriously…would you buy a used religion from this man?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5060ce5dd3980fc8948a060dbb27fda03197e9014af440eff7c4ad68d231118.png

    • Translation: I waited for the ‘phone call and nothing happened – that can only mean that she’s at fault and I’m a man of great integrity – among my other manifest virtues.

  • Glen

    Mike Rinder just put up a response to Marty’s videos on his blog. He is trying to not get involved in speculation (the why of this) and acknowledges his debt of gratitude to Marty. He goes on to say that Marty is rewriting history and misrepresenting the truth. He worries about Marty’s mental health and sincerely wishes he could be of some help or that Marty would avail himself of some help.

    I am paraphrasing and don’t want to do an injustice to Mike’s powerful words. It is definitely worth a trip over to Mike’s blog to read it in its entirety.

  • J. Swift

    Nothing can change the fact of Marty’s enormous contributions from 2008-2015. However, Marty has now been, it seems, flipped by Scientology. This stunning reversal has precedent. Among other notables, the Church of Scientology flipped Sara Northrup, L. Ron Hubbard Jr., Jon Zegel, Vicki Aznaran, Bob Minton, and now Marty Rathbun. These people did many courageous things before they were flipped. Indeed, they were flipped because they represented a significant legal and PR danger to the Church of Scientology.

    Marty Rathbun now joins this list of people who were flipped by Scientology and forced to make humiliating public recantations. In the history of Scientology, the first person who was flipped was Hubbard’s second wife Sara Northrup.

    Just as Sara had exposed Hubbard’s insanity and violence in the pages of the Los Angeles Times, and her story was picked up by other leading newspapers of the day, Marty Rathbun exposed David Miscavige’s violence and insanity and this was picked up by the media. Both became major targets of Scientology Fair Game for speaking out.

    Sara’s divorce petition from Ron describes L. Ron Hubbard’s extreme physical and mental cruelty towards Sara. The divorce petition also contains a general outline of how Hubbard conducted his shady financial and business affairs. Hubbard flipped Sara by zeroing in on their daughter Alexis. The only way Sara would ever have peace and have her daughter would be to sign a humiliating public recantation that was obviously written by L. Ron Hubbard himself:

    I, Sara Northrup Hubbard, do hereby state that the things I have said about L. Ron Hubbard in courts and the public prints have been grossly exaggerated or entirely false.

    I have not at any time believed otherwise than that L. Ron Hubbard is a fine and brilliant man.

    I make this statement of my own free will for I have begun to realize that what I have done may have injured the science of Dianetics, which in my studied opinion may be the only hope of sanity in future generations.

    I was under enormous stress and my advisers insisted it was necessary for me to carry through an action as I have done.

    There is no other reason for this statement than my own wish to make atonement for the damage I may have done. In the future I wish to lead a quiet and orderly existence with my little girl far away from the enturbulating influences which have ruined my marriage.

    – Sara Northrup Hubbard

    *****
    Marty is now counted among the ranks of those who were flipped by the Church of Scientology. A sad ending. Nevertheless, the way to handle Marty now is by a containment strategy of systematically exposing him when he lies or distorts the facts. This is how the Church of Scientology itself has been contained since 1950. It may seem tedious to detail and expose the lies, but it is necessary and builds a mountain of incriminating evidence over time. This is an attrition strategy and it is highly effective.

    By his own actions, Marty has ceded his prior standing, respect, and credibility. Marty’s attacks on people serve as evidence. I am sending his videos off to appropriate authorities; they may become inculpatory evidence in the future.

    By telling demonstrable and repeated lies in his videos, Marty Rathbun has now proven that he is no longer a credible source. So look at the situation: You have a source who is not credible defending L. Ron Hubbard, a man whose documented lies are extensive.

    In the “Surreality of Scientology” we now have one liar defending an even bigger liar. L. Ron Hubbard offered so many different and conflicting accounts of his own life and the Church itself has offered various and conflicting accounts. Any argument from Marty about what Hubbard did or did not say is meaningless given that virtually anything Ron Hubbard said can be impeached by documents or by Hubbard’s own contradictions.

  • Vaquera

    If anyone missed the HC hotel reservation deadline (after which the prices went up considerably) and you still would like a room, they are now available on the app Hotel Tonight for the same as the original group price.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I was hoping to squirm in the night of, but thats yet to be seen….

  • Tracy Schmitz

    is it really that hard to figure out? rathbun is a uneducated not the smartest tool in the shed narcissist wannabe player of some importance somehow, someway with bully/power trip issues.. anything else?

  • ReallyMGM

    TOT: Has Pick Another ID checked in post surgery? Hoping he/she is doing good. The Bunker orthopedic surgery club is strong!

    • Supper Powers

      Usually his daughter stops in to update us when he’s away. Haven’t seen his avatar today.

      • ReallyMGM

        Thx Supper. 🙂 PT probably has him running laps on the hospital floor.

        • Supper Powers

          In his battery heated socks!

  • outraged

    OT: umm…this is a really gross disgusting story. Most likely referring to Kirstie Alley – inflicting incredibly narcissistic abusive behavior. Who in the world started this hopefully false rumor?

    Normally I would never post a link but I cannot stand that woman.

    http://blindgossip.com/?p=85770

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      “This actress is probably best known for her role on a TV series that ran for many seasons starting in the early aughts.” This couldn’t be Kirstie, Cheers ended in 1993. Laura Prepon maybe? The 70s Show ended in 2006. IDK

      • stanrogers

        Honestly, it sounds more like Landmark than Co$ to me.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Yeah, I should have read the comments. I’ve never heard of it or her before, but this sounds like a better possibity:

          “Actually I think this is Allison Mack from Smallville, which started in 2001(early aughts). She is heavily involved in “NXIVM” which is a cult that centers on self improvement. The leader is Keith Raniere, who is backed by Clare Bronfman a wealthy follower.

          Mack is rumored to be Raniere’s top recruiter of playthings for her boss to “teach” one on one. If you read up on NXIVM and you’ll see it’s as bad as Scientology.”

          • stanrogers

            Sounds about right – either an est descendant or an est ripoff, and NXIVM certainly fits the bill.

            • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

              You know that the guy who founded EST and later The Forum was into Scientology at one time, just like the sweat lodge guy.

              They learned the real lesson Hubbard taught, how to scam gullible people.

            • outraged

              Landmark is/was Lifespring. The leader was John Hanley. I worked for them. They did nothing like this at all. But they were a cult. And scammed the gullible.

              The guy who founded EST was Werner Erhard.

          • villagedianne

            Absolutely as bad as COS, plus the cult founder allegedly molested minor girls.

    • Kat

      NXIVM, a couple Smallville actresses are involved. That’s my guess.

      • villagedianne

        Yes thats what I saw online. I think cultnews.net may have a link?

    • FredEX2

      One thing I’m 99.9% certain about is that this does not happen in Scientology. No one gets ‘branded’ by anyone who introduced them to Scientology. Never heard of it, never saw it, never saw anything written about such a stupid practice. Kirsty may have a crass potty mouth and seem loud & obnoxious…but I seriously doubt this ‘gossip’ has anything to do with her or Scientology.

    • villagedianne

      Kirstie Alley? The epitome of class and elegance?

    • villagedianne

      Not Kirstie. It’s someone from NEXIUM (sic?). A cult in the Saratoga area. A small newspaper up there has covered this speculation about the tattoos. Keith Raniere is the cult founder. I think the newspaper that had this about the tattoos is called Art World? I’d link but it’s awkward on my phone. Google it, or better yet use DuckDuckGo, which doesn’t track your searches.

      • outraged

        wtf? ugh. ugh. ugh.

    • Lulu Belle

      Not Kirsty. I have read blind items, however, that insinuate Kirsty has a drug problem.

  • nottrue

    This is what it’s really about Marty .. … https://twitter.com/GrowingupinSCN/status/877243227325300736

    • gtsix

      So do we Aaron. And soon.

    • Kestrel

      Jeez, that brings it home. How sad.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Just like Marc Headley’s sister giving birth quite recently. Just heartbreaking. Please will somebody give Bernie Headley a kiss from me at HC.

      • gtsix

        And a gentle bear hug from me please!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          ^^^^^^^

  • Supper Powers

    Was Marty broken before Scientology or by it?

    • gtsix

      Only he knows.

    • JustSheila

      IMHO, both. The personal power trip preceded scn. I met him his first week on post. Very unpleasant experience.

      • grundoon

        all curious now

      • MarcabExpat

        dish please

      • Qbird

        yes.

    • PeaceMaker

      Avoiding going into ugly details, let’s just say that Rathbun would have to be the only one in his immediate family to NOT be diagnosably mentally ill. Coming from a background like that, even if he is the one who dodged that bullet, he still probably came into Scientology with significant issues just from the environment he grew up in.

      • Supper Powers

        Most people know about his mother commiting suicide and brother being schizophrenic. No need to be crytptic about it.

  • Rasha

    Did everyone click the heart? Just askin’.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Thanks for the reminder!

      • Rasha

        -_^

    • Lolow 0708

      ht https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/758246615ee14efa1699efc5b21f88c40145f801dce96d80171e0f43083db2f2.jpg. I don’t know how to post this pic without the gobbly-goop in front of it. I found out this morning why my audiologist split from her business partner. The partner is a $cn who has a tech room in the office and has all employees subscribe to the program. My audiologist took a couple courses before she split. This article was shown on KHTS. Don’t those kids look “saved”? Oh boy oh boy. My doctor also said that she was mildly fair-gamed and that the other office spreads rumors and gossip about her to their patients. She declined to rent space in the same building after the split. She says the workmanship is terrible, from the actual building to terrible paint jobs. Maybe you do get what you pay for.

      • Techie

        Don’t worry about the leftover link in front of the picture, Lolow, it will go away when you refresh and the rest of us don’t see it.

        • Lolow 0708

          Thanks. I saw it vanished when I hit post. This blog has made me really refresh my outdated tech knowledge. And gives me so many laughs. Don’t know if any of the story shows, but this $cn audiologist just donated boxes of what she called science fiction books, to the local Boys and Girls Club. The covers of the books alone are frightening. What generosity, what bullshit.

          • Kestrel

            Lolow, I expect nearly all of us were concerned about the gobbly-goop when we first posted a picture. Going forward, please try to avoid technical terms like “gobbly-goop” for those of us, like me, who are not tech-savvy.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Really! I’m still trying to look it up!

            • Glen

              Thank goodness for the like of Mycroft, Techie,Dice, Pick and others who are highly skilled gobbly-goop practioners.

            • Lolow 0708

              It used to be gobbledy-gook, but I hear that’s politically incorrect today. O/T but Victoria Wood wrote a wonderful song called Political Correctness, about not being able to use the word “wanker” anymore. Very funny. Re gobbledy-goop, would crap work better?

            • Glen

              I try not to let any of those wankers work on my gobbledy-goop crap.

            • Lolow 0708

              A wise move. I hear that most wankers are $cn, who should only be allowed to work on their own gobbeldy-goop crap. Btw, I’ve posted a little bit here, but haven’t, to my knowledge, had replies. This is a red-letter day.

      • MarcabExpat

        Would love to see the article, do you have a link?

        Always glad when WISE stuff comes to light.

        • Lolow 0708

          I was thrilled when I managed to get the pic from my phone to my computer to this post. Not sure how to send a link but this was on the KHTS website from yesterday. Wouldn’t mind learning how to do it though. Any simple suggestions. For me, the simpler, the better.

          • Techie

            Lolow, to send a link you just go to the web page you want to link. I always open a new tab so I don’t lose my place in the Bunker. Then click on the address bar (it will have something like http://….) The whole address bar should highlight. If not, you may have to click and drag across the address to get it all highlighted. Then ctrl-c (or option-c for MAC) and that will copy the link. Go back to your comment, put the cursor at the point where you want the link, and hit ctrl-v (option-v for MAC). It will not work if there is not a space before and after the link. You can also copy pictures from other sites the same way, or videos from youtube. Just be sure you have nothing but the picture or video on your screen, copy paste the link from the address bar.

            • Lolow 0708

              That sounds like it’s within my learning curve. Thanks Techie. I’ll be a better poster now. lol.I’m now seventy, and have about twenty years of tech to catch up on. I was recently “doodled” and today I was air-dropped. Oh my aching brain, but I’m learning.

        • Kestrel
          • Lolow 0708

            Bless you Kestrel. Looks like I could learn a thing or two from you after all. Or three even.

          • MarcabExpat

            Thanks a bunch!

        • gtsix

          Hmmm… Nola Aronson, busy little OTVIII. Why on earth would a scientologist need a hearing aid? Didn’t hearing issues get CLEARed up a long time ago?

          http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/n/nola-aronson.html

          • Lolow 0708

            She’s not handling her weight very well either. “Sup wid dat?

  • GfldedKim

    Totally random thought..but maybe these videos are to reach the 500 people that might have to serve as arbitrators in the Garcia case?? The mental midget could be freaking out over who the UTR peeps are…and this is for them..

  • Qbird

    It has everything to do with trust. How many people have trusted Larry Wright, Tony Ortega & Leah Remini?
    And what have they done with that trust? They have helped ppl to tell their story.
    Cheeses Keerist!
    They even helped Marty Rathbun to tell HIS story.
    And what does Marty do? He Trashes people. Puts words in their mouths.
    He lies… just like Hubbard taught him to.
    He lies & helps the ‘church’ hurt them more.
    What. The. Actual. Fuck?!!!
    What a mess. What a creep. What an asshole. Jerk.
    Highly trained by the Church of Scientology.
    What a beautiful religion. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ea0ff47ead6e5506769b6e65359e5cf84ba1f9f3a4a38da5b49110193ef98f3.jpg

    bah!

    • MissCandle

      Beautiful bird, Bird!

    • beauty for ashes

      I can’t help it, all I can think is that when Bob Ross got to heaven, he asked if he could paint a few things on earth.
      ” Here is, a happy little bird, with, maybe some freckles of color, on his chest.”
      He smiled at his work, and released it to fly away. 🙂 🙂 🙂 just a happy little thought

  • nottrue

    New Scientology uniform option.. The Tom Cruise Turtleneck..EDIT I don’t give a fuck who this guy is. I thought the part about the turtleneck being uniform option was interesting.. . .. https://youtu.be/UXtjUchGTSU

    • flyonthewall

      FTR, that guy is an alt-right neo nazi troll. The “14 words” he mentions in the beginning? Neo nazi shit

    • Why do staff members always have the twink in a gay porno voice?

  • Steve

    I can’t take it anymore. I just watched the latest installment of Mark Rathbun’s sad attempt at reality TV series entitled “Going Clear Part 1, 2, 3 etc.”. This latest one is called ‘Leah Remini’s Troublemakers’ (note all the coat tail riding which is the height of hypocrisy considering his message). Anyway, this last installment should be called ‘Tony Ortega is a lying, child exploiting, jobless, rapacious incubus’! Tony gets the most ‘air time’ in Marty’s new YouTube channel. It’s so obvious that Marty is using the exact dead agent/attack never defend style echo chamber propaganda that critics of the church are exposing. Is Marty actually mentally ill? I ask because he doesn’t see what he’s doing so much so his own supporters are calling him out in it! Lastly, and this really pisses me off…like really…he has totally disabled all comment sections and totally censors any comments to his blog (I personally have posted dozens and all I get back is “you have been blocked due to Anti Scientology Cult Activities”! What bullshit!!! COWARD! He will fail because if he had a ligitimate position he wouldn’t have to censor 90% of all exchanges. And, oh yea, his videos get like 500 views…my fart video just broke 500,000 views so this one’s for you Marty ‘No Honest Debate’ Rathbun…..psssssssst! *smells.

    • OK, be honest, how many of the guys on here secretly want to see the fart video you referenced, lol? Jimmy3 must be on hiatus (he would have found a pun in there somewhere) so I thought I would speak up as to what is likely a silent question for the testosterone dominated half of the species.

      • Kestrel

        Thank you for taking that bullet, StudentOfLife.

      • chukicita

        Silent…but deadly.

    • villagedianne

      Today Rinder wrote that he thinks Marty is delusional and should seek professional help.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I agree with him.

    • Robert Long

      I wonder what might happen if some rogue were to mirror and repost all of Marty’s relevant vids with the comments on?

  • downtherabbithole

    Congrats Leah & Mike…

    The 2017 TCA Awards recognize outstanding television programming in the 2016-2017 season, honoring actors, producers and programs in a variety of categories, including news and information, youth, reality, drama and comedy. Any show airing the majority of its season between June 1, 2016 and May 31, 2017 was eligible for consideration. The winners of the 33RD Annual TCA Awards will be announced at the invitation-only presentation on Saturday, August 5, 2017, at the Beverly Hilton Hotel, as part of the group’s summer press tour. http://tvcritics.org/the-television-critics-association-announces-2017-tca-award-nominees/

    OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT IN REALITY PROGRAMMING
    “The Circus,” Showtime
    “The Great British Baking Show,” PBS
    “The Keepers,” Netflix
    “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath,” A&E
    “Shark Tank,” ABC
    “Survivor: Game Changers,” CBS

    Good luck to both of you and the show. Outstanding work.

    ETA: Can’t wait for August 5th!

    • Marshall

      I really do want Leah and Mike to win but I love me some “Great British Baking Show”! And, honestly, The Keepers was my high school memory. Those people looked like me and my friends, the high school looked like mine, the unquestionable rights of the almighty priests – everything. It really hit home for me and made me so angry. I apologize to any Catholic bunkerites but I will never understand how anyone can continue to financially support a church that has paid out over 4 BILLION dollars so far on settlements and legal fees. That hard earned money came from parishioners. As I said, it really hit directly home for me – I could so identify.

      • stillgrace2

        I also love Aftermath, however, “The Keepers” is an incredible docu-series. When they show the montage of senior portraits in the intro (with that haunting violin and piano piece), mine would blend right in. I don’t think any documentary has ever hit me harder. So close to home.

  • villagedianne

    Someone probably already said this – today on his blog Mike Rinder weighed in on the Marty videos. Rinder says he thinks Marty is delusional and should seek professional help.

    • Robert Long

      I hear some auditing can help with that

    • outraged

      A very sad but realistic post.
      I feel for Marty’s wife and child.

    • Susan black

      I agree with Mike Rinder’s opinion that Marty is delusional. If that’s the case, it’s hard to work up much anger for him. I just feel sadness for Marty and his family.

      • Marshall

        I agree – always feel uncomfortable watching people implode because of mental issues and that really seems to be happening here. Might not be as forgiving if I was a former member but even Aaron said in his last video that he didn’t realize that Marty left the Sea Org 3 times and went back 3 times before all of this. To paraphrase Aaron, that alone would totally fuck up your brain. I just don’t want to watch the whole show to it’s last frame.

        • Puget Buckeye

          It sort of has unhappy ending written all over it.

    • Jeb Burton

      About time.

    • beauty for ashes

      that is sad. 🙁 on so many levels

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Mike’s been a class act in ignoring Mutty’s ongoing shenanigans, but today’s Mutty video featuring unsupported ad hominem attacks on him, Leah and Tony requires a response, imo

  • Marty keeps looking down and reading something in his lap. Spare us the sound of your voice and release the transcripts Marty.

    • Chee Chalker

      He’s hoping his testicles grow back

      • Glen

        Cruel but hilarious. Hope you are well, Chee.

  • nottrue
  • Storm Chaser

    Thank you Tony for always keeping it real, and for your long & well documented history journaling all things Scientology. You are definitely a subject matter expert in this regard. I’ve been a fan of your writing since your Phoenix New Times days in the 80’s where I first learned about the CoS and am so glad to have found you and the thriving community you’ve built in the underground bunker. Best wishes for your continued success!

    • Jeb Burton

      Yeah. He was a great journalist til he became drunk with power and became Grand Wizard of the ASC. Now he is an evil anti religious bigot according to a reliable source.

      • Storm Chaser

        Ahhh, you are being ironic… lol

        • Jeb Burton

          Who, me?

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • chukicita

      I remember when the Dennis Clarke Frothing Against Mental Health Professionals Hour was broadcast from that station.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        They have been broadcasting for this for several months. It used to be on Saturday mornings but now is on Tuesday afternoon drive time. All guests are clams but the word $cientology is verboten for some reason. I’ve listened to a couple of dozen shows and never heard the word once. They even had Kirstie on promoting her BBQ.

        • Puget Buckeye

          Kirstie has a BBQ? Like a restaurant? Or does she sell sauce?

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            It was held in the radio station parking lot IIRC. She was supposed to be throwing it for her neighbors but apparently didn’t want anyone near her home.

        • chukicita

          Dennis never frothed about Scn, either, it was all CCHR all the time.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            It makes me wonder if the opening of SMP was long delayed because they were trying to come up with a way to promote CO$ without using the word “$cientology”. That word is poison nowadays.

            • Kestrel

              They’ll have to change the ‘S’ in ‘SMP’ to something other than “Scientology.” Like, “Snowjob.”

  • PickAnotherID

    Hello Bunker folks.

    Just a quick update on my dad. His surgery went well. The doctor say it normally takes around 2 hours, but they went almost 3 because they decided to remove an old piece of shrapnel he’s been carrying around since 68, “While we had him opened up.” He’s still a bit out of it from whatever they are giving him, but I was told they’ll be putting him on crutches some time tomorrow. Seems a bit soon to me, but they seem to know what they’re doing.

    Pickanotherid’s daughter.

    • chukicita

      Thank you for letting us know! Pick has a good daughter.

    • MissCandle

      What a good daughter you are. Thanks for the good news. Hi to Pickanotherid’s daughter’s dad.

    • Mick Roberts

      Thank you for the update!

    • Kestrel

      Thank you for the update. Did they give you the shrapnel?

      • PickAnotherID

        No, apparently there’s a rule about giving things removed from human bodies to anyone these days.

        • Puget Buckeye

          Yeah, I can understand that I suppose. Still, it would have been pretty cool. Thanks for the update.

        • Kestrel

          I could be wrong here, but I would think this would be upsetting news for women who are pregnant.

        • gtsix

          That’s theft! They removed his property without permission and are keeping it. Glad to hear he’s doing well.

    • ReallyMGM

      Thx Pick’s daughter! Glad all is good. On to much better days with less pain.

    • Jeb Burton

      Healing vibes coming your way. Best I can do.

    • Supper Powers

      Great! Thanks for the update. That guy is pretty great.

  • GrangerFX

    Congratulations Yellow Vultures for making it into the Drudge Report:
    “Locals slam Scientologists for ‘recruiting’ near London tower relief area…”
    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/scientologists-set-up-at-relief-site-near-grenfell-tower/news-story/6c5c22b995192708f4db2f90346a9d92

    • Jeb Burton

      Only problem there, nothing on the Drudge report is true.

      • GrangerFX

        He gets 31 million visitors a day. Does it really matter?

        • Jeb Burton

          Not to Trump.

  • 0tessa

    Delusions of grandeur.
    He needs a psychiatrist.

  • Kestrel

    O/T: Here comes the rain again… NOLA will be getting a soaking tonight.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a8c99d4c7b22191b16db5fa74b3b7e3e570ea0d087605af2f5bfb3b62713e08.jpg

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      For the moment it’s just a light rain. It’s coming and going right now. The only thing I’m getting is an earful of Hubby on the phone trying “gently” to explain why he isn’t sending a technician out in this mess on a non-emergency call (meaning not someone with a broken generator sitting in the dark). This person clearly isn’t getting it. LOL

      • Supper Powers

        Be safe. Drink Bayou Teche beer.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Sadly it’s a dry party. We have to work tomorrow. Best I can hope for at the moment is closing early tomorrow. Got the hooch stocked up just in case. 😀

        • Vaquera

          Abita

          • Supper Powers

            Hell no. Gotta support the neighbors during these times.

        • ze moo

          Dixie Blackend Voodoo Beer.

          • Supper Powers

            Well…ok. But just one.

      • chukicita

        Tell Your spouse (I know you don’t want to call someone you love “Hubby” in this forum?) to tell powerless howler that he’s sending an OT right over because they are the only ones who can help. Then just hang up. If they ask his name, it’s Rarty. Rarty Mathbun.

        Edit… oh, and be safe! Is it bad enough to open the hurricane bar?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          ROFL!! Dude would definitely think he was crazy. Right now, unless you’re in trouble and need a generator or we’re working on one to get it out to you, you unfortunately have to wait. It’s order of importance for the next day or so.

          • chukicita

            Hang in there, sister. I’ll save you a dry spot.

          • SarahDB

            take care of yourself and yours, I’m sure you are already ((((hugs))))

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Nope, just a pain in the ass storm that starts and stops raining about every 20 minutes.

  • Chee Chalker

    I think the real Troika is marildi, Oracle and the mclaugherys
    The Troika of Marty supporters because I think he has about 3 left

    • gtsix

      Chris Mann, Richard, windhorse, miss tia

      • chukicita

        Whatever happened to those twelve banker guys? Big Pharm and the Evil Drugging Psychs?

    • flyonthewall

      don’t mention the McLaughreys! They’ll get mad at you and write blog posts about you being a CIA dupe etc. I know. I learned the hard way

    • chukicita

      We are all the Troika.

      It’s the biggest damn troika ever. Pretty much everyone Marty has ever met is one.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Poor Marildi, she’s been barely hanging on by her BTs over at Mike’s place, but this is definitely one of those “choose up” moments.

      Since Mutty is allowing comments on the last three or four of his video segments, and she used to be a regular participant in his petting zoo, I suggested that she ask him what was up with his riveting self-immolation performance. My bet is that no one – not even The Boracle – is going to get a straight answer out of him…not now, not ever.

      • Chee Chalker

        If you notice marildi is taking the ‘I understand what Marty is saying, why don’t you?’ stance over at Marty’s blog to anyone who asks Marty why he is now revising history.

        And I’m guessing Oracle has sent Marty many comments, but he is tired of being ridiculed for allowing her to take over the comment section.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Yep, and she’s catching hell for being “reasonable minded” about his knowingly false statements and revisionist history accounts which (WTF!?) even directly contradict his own past statements.

          Somewhere, the Oracle is roaming loose at night and across the lands, yearning for a home in which she can feel comfortable talking to herself again.

  • Susan black

    I couldn’t help myself. I just watched Marty’s “Leah Remini and her troublemakers.” For those who don’t already know’ and don’t want to watch it, he revealed The Troika.’Yep, it’s Tony, Mike and Leah. This is just getting sadder.

    • Jeb Burton

      I agree with him there. Can you name 3 people who are more despicable?

    • Jgg2012

      What about Chris Shelton? Larry Wright?

      • Glen

        I think he has previously revealed that Larry Wright is John the Baptist.

        • chukicita

          This is why I can’t eat and read the comments.

        • Jgg2012

          He said that HE was the Martin Luther of Scientology.

  • i’m going to sum up a narrative real simply by vociferously disagreeing w/ a certain someone’s assumptions.

    i’m done w/ this drangus, cold turkey-style.
    end.motherfucking.scene.

    • chukicita

      I had to look up ‘drangus’

      • Kestrel

        Me too.

        • chukicita

          Thanks, I feel better!

      • gtsix

        Make that 3 of us. Bunker has smarties.

        • stanrogers

          Yep, and we eat the red ones last.

    • Kestrel

      Here’s hoping the “done” thing is only for today. I look forward to your comments.

      • i’ve been working on my Kestrelese: “sca-reeeeeeeeeeeeeeech” (i think that means thanks?)

        my “done” is only in regard to … what were we talking about?

        • Kestrel

          Very good. Emphasize the “sca” part and you’re saying “Thanks.” Emphasize the “reeeeeeeeeeeeeeech” part means you’re dropping an egg.

    • Jeb Burton

      My drangus burns when I urinate

      • Kestrel

        Pro Tip: Wash hands thoroughly with soap and warm water after chopping habaneros and before urinating.

        • stanrogers

          Also: allow six to eight weeks with frequent thorough washing after chopping bhut jalokias before allowing your hands to contact any sensitive parts. And if you must grind the dried peppers in a food processor, do it outside, preferably in someone else’s yard, while wearing a hazmat suit and respirator.

          • chukicita

            And if you are hiking, don’t pee behind a manchineel tree.

            • Kestrel

              I had to look that up. Yikes!

            • SarahDB

              Or in the poison ivy patch (my brother at 6 years old)

            • Don’t go anywhere near those things! And especially don’t shelter from the rain under one.

        • Puget Buckeye

          It never ceases to amaze me how smart and helpful people here are. Thanks!

        • Vaquera

          Or removing contact lenses.

        • FredEX2

          Shhhh Kestrel. Don’t tell him. He’ll find out for himself …

          ( bad FredEX2 sneaking quietly away…)

          • Puget Buckeye

            Psst….hide behind me.

    • FredEX2

      Duckie, what choo talkin ’bout? Are you rage quitting or somethin? You better not leave us. 😘

      • not at all. the drangus is a person. i’m reverting back to my previous state of reluctance to comment or project any further opinion re: said drangus. most of the words in the first sentence of my op are found within the first 1:22 of a recent video about Leah Remini. i can’t recommend watching it, and i also (generally) won’t comment about something i haven’t watched/read.

        no further comment.

        • FredEX2

          Me too. I will avoid the drangus at all costs. I will not acknowledge the drangus or even speak it’s name. I will pretend the drangus doesn’t exist…and if I ever hear of the drangus I will deny it. 😉

  • Kim O’Brien

    Who has two thumbs and is SUPER STOKED FOR THIS WEEKEND ?????

    THIS LADY !

    • chukicita
      • Kestrel

        That gif reminds me of something. It’ll come to me later, I’m sure.

        • Philbyification

          Ms. Pac Man? lol

          • Kestrel

            Baywatch

      • Juicer77

        To the max.

        • stanrogers

          Who’s this Max guy, and why are we supposed to give him all the good stuff?

    • Marshall

      Even though I’m very sad and jealous that I can’t go, I hope everyone has a wonderful time and I’ll just have to join in from afar! Thanks for all your hard work.

      • Jimmy3

        I don’t. I’m bitter and petty, and I don’t want anyone to have a good time without me. Ever.

        • Jeb Burton

          Don’t worry. Unless everyone talking about their health problems is a good time to you.

          • Kestrel

            I wouldn’t call comparing fiber regimens a discussion about health problems.

        • Robert Eckert

          Next time I won’t ask if you want to go, just show up at your house and kidnap you.

    • Glen

      I hope everyone has a great time. You are quite the organizer, Kim.

      I wonder if there might be any discussion topics that spring to mind.

    • SarahDB

      I’ll be there in spirit!

      • stanrogers

        The people that will be there physically will probably also be into the spirits.

      • FredEX2

        Some of us have to hold down the Bunker Fort while all y’all are having fun.

        • SarahDB

          Sigh

    • FredEX2

      I am really really wishing I was going to be there. Still stoked to see the pics and videos and hear all about it and FaceTime with y’all! 😘

      • Kim O’Brien

        i got your number in my phone ..make sure you wear pants 😉

        • Sherbet

          A whole year of planning, and soon you can say, “Thank God that’s over with!”

          • Kim O’Brien

            i feel very ” fortunate ” ..( ya see what i did there ? 😉

            • Sherbet

              I see, I see!

        • FredEX2

          LOL 😆

        • FredEX2

          LOL.

  • nottrue

    ” What…I’m not in the Troika…What the hell kind of cult is this anyway.. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81414548547a364b55a93d90f30784445231c66201f6fb2f5bd6bed569c13905.jpg

    • chukicita

      We are ALL the Troika. We are Troikonymous.

    • gtsix

      Oh bless, Sir Tomato, you’re level troikakhan

  • Vaquera

    Marty, Marty, Marty….take a deep breath and
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jMGrkYGelZg

    • ze moo

      Thank you for not using that damn Frozen track.

    • PattyCakenfeld

      I love ya, Dave!

      It’s hard to explain what I’m feeling
      But my soul ain’t about to be bought
      With a turn of the wheel
      I’ll he back on the heels
      Of a dream I have too long ignored

  • Chattan

    I would like to hear from Rinder and Remini about when it was they last had a conversation with Rathbun, never mind what they allegedly talked about.

  • beauty for ashes

    Blerg I’m up to part eight on Marty. I think Marty is mad he never got to be God.
    Oh lawd, going back in!!!!! PS I never read our bible!!! just saw the movie!

    • Jimmy3

      There’s a copy in every drawer in each Bunker suite.

      • PattyCakenfeld

        The Gideons of ASC honor our trinity.

    • Kestrel

      Bible Study is held each Wednesday night at 6:30 pm in the basement. It’s potluck, so bring a covered dish. No rice and beans, please. Childcare is provided.

      • Puget Buckeye

        I need a ride. Can someone pick me up?

        • daisy

          If you have made your peace with God , I will pick you up.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Yeah, she and I are cool. Thanks.

    • Elegant Mess

      Send up a flare if you find yourself in distress.

    • stanrogers

      The things people will do just because they can’t get syrup of ipecac at the drugstore anymore…

    • gtsix

      You poor thing.

      Wait, you never read our bible? HEATHEN! Get thee to a library and repent of your sinful wicked ways. Oh, and that’ll be 32million thetabux. Cash or Charge?

  • J. Swift

    If making money is the key factor that makes one a member of the Troika, then Ron Hubbard is the King of Troika’s:

    Make money. Make more money. Make others produce so as to make more money. — L. Ron Hubbard

    • Jimmy3

      LRH would’ve loved having a blog. He’d just write and write and write, and it’d all be nonsensical bullshit, of course, but the blog would have at least 300 posts per day.

      • Kestrel

        He would have had it rigged so that you paid $5 every time you clicked on a post. Then you’d have to pay $25 to take a test to prove you got what he said.

      • stanrogers

        Hmmm… I wonder if it would be paywalled?

      • PattyCakenfeld

        Hubbard tweets!

  • outraged

    Tony may never rue a day for the Troika but the Bunker will always rue for him.

    https://youtu.be/zuro7TyiSVg

    • Sherbet

      I’m ruing the earworm.

      • stanrogers

        Shout. Let it all out.

        • gtsix

          These are the things we can rue about, come on!

        • Sherbet

          Grrrr. What, did you get a Greatest Hits album for your birthday?

          • stanrogers

            I actually like quite a few of their songs. Not a fan of the typical-for-the-time orchestration, no, but there are a handful of winners in their catalogue. Mad World is a great song, f’rinstance, even if you need to listen to Gary Jules to hear it.

            • Sherbet

              Rather a depressing song, no?

            • stanrogers

              Yes, but that’s sort of the point, don’t you think? Horses for courses, and all that. There’s very little that counts as “any mood” music in my collection; even young Mr. Bach irritates the hell out of me sometimes with his continual fugue-ing around.

            • Sherbet

              And I guess that’s why they call it ‘the blues.’

          • Rasha

            Who didn’t?

      • Kestrel

        It could be worse.

        • Sherbet

          Yes, it could, but I’m behaving myself.

      • Observer
        • Sherbet

          That’s a combination earworm and eyeworm.

        • Rasha

          Scary lady is scary.

          Song is awesome, though.

        • stanrogers

          I had to get a special exemption for the whole falling-down-if-I-try thing, so now I can still be friends with people.

        • Sherbet

          Billy Barty is rolling in his grave.

        • salin

          That’s mean. How about this?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVxcwe7EcaY

          • Observer

            NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

            • salin

              It could be worse. Was a hair away linking from 867-5309 😉 Whatever happened to tommy tutone? hmmm. Tommy tutone. That could be used to describe the limited acting range of a certain hollywood mummy.

        • gtsix

          You can rue if you want to, you can leave your mind behind.

      • outraged

        sorry..

    • Rasha

      Songs From The Big Chair and the Famous Last Words compilation are awesome.

      ….this one, I’m not keen on the volume drops and reverse echoes. Still, I can tell they did it with good intentions.

  • Observer
    • Jimmy3

      I knew it. You’re a fruit racist.

      • Observer

        I hate raspberries, too, if that makes any difference.

        • Jimmy3

          Tsk tsk

        • gtsix

          Send them all to me, they are my favs! Used to get beat for stealing all the berries from my gramma’s garden. Didn’t care, kept eating.

    • Sherbet

      Nice portrait of Jimmy, too.

      • Vaquera

        Jimmy3, not Jimmy too.

        • Sherbet

          Too’s on first.

          • stanrogers

            What?

            • Sherbet

              Shortstop.

          • Vaquera

            Rue’s on first?

            • Sherbet

              I dunno.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Jimmy Choo

          • Vaquera

            Did someone say stilettos?

    • First and last are my faves. Beautiful.

    • Sherbet

      I like the sharpness contrasted with the soft focus on the berries. I don’t know how to say that technically but you understand.

      • Jimmy3

        It’s called a boogeyman lens, newbie

        • Sherbet

          That sounds like something you would make up.

          • Jimmy3

            No it doesn’t. Never happened.

      • stanrogers

        Seriously, it’s called “selective focus”. The amount that is in focus is called “depth of field”. The quality of the out-of-focus areas is called “bokeh” (we stole that from the Japanese, and that’s where the fellow who’s in triplicate got the boogeyman thing from).

        • Sherbet

          Thank you for the sensible explanation.

    • flyonthewall

      those berries taste like burning

      • Philbyification

        rueberries

  • Jimmy3

    Sherb wanted something less depressing. This is the new jam from my new favorite band.
    https://youtu.be/SV8EdskfZgg

  • Mrs. V.

    Ohhh Marty, Marty, Marty. You’re not just burning bridges here, you’re making the cavern so big no engineer could ever design a new bridge to span it safely.

    He was whining about not being able to find a job and now he’s really screwed himself. Does he not realize that companies search your name now? Or maybe he has no need to find a job now?

    • Jimmy3

      It’s okay, he’ll just deny this video ever existed. I mean, it’ll still be public on his YouTube channel. But that won’t stop a warrior like Marty from flat out denying it.

      • Mrs. V.

        That is a true statement. Unfortunately. He’ll think his TRs will convince us all.

        • Kestrel

          His TRs have sucked in these videos.

      • Puget Buckeye

        If you flip and then you flop and then you flip flop, don’t you eventually end up back where you started?

  • EmmaDaoust
    • Kestrel

      About 18 months late. I hope.

    • Sherbet

      He looks so casual with his shirt buttoned way up to his Adam’s apple.

    • stanrogers

      …and that completes the dossier of materials I need to take in for the assisted dying hearing.

      • Sherbet

        Dying laughing (no pun intended). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        • Kestrel

          Same here.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Don’t forget your Dawson City Sour Toe Cocktail. Aw, dang, somebody stole the toe.
        http://www.canadianbucketlist.com/experiences/sourtoe/

        • Sherbet

          Reza Aslan ate it.

      • Observer

        🙁

        • stanrogers

          Not actually, Obs. But it’s a thing here now where EmmaDaoust and I are, so it was an appropriate funny.

          • Observer

            Don’t scare me like that! You’re one of my fave Bunkeroos. I’m always happy when I see you here. I love your wit.

            • stanrogers

              I kinda like it too. When that doesn’t work anymore and I don’t know where I am at least half of the time, it’ll be good to have the option, but until then there’s much funnin’ to be had with some great people (present company included).

            • Observer

              <3

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      Oh my god. lololollollolol.

    • Quick empathy

      No. No. No. Just No.

      • EmmaDaoust

        ‘fraid so. And there’s also “Dad-bod” Ken, Latino Ken, “mixed race” Ken…

  • Marshall

    Since this is a cult… I think everyone going to Howdycon should print off all the posters of our celebrities (I especially like today’s of Pete) and get them autographed. Then lots of photos can be taken posed with their prized “certificates”.

    • Jimmy3

      Like doing a handstand?

      • And not flips.

        • Observer

          ISWYDT

      • gtsix

        He’s not marildi!

    • Sherbet

      That speaks for all of us (even though I still haven’t watched any of them).

      • stillgrace2

        Me neither, Sherbet! I am so grateful to those here who watch and share.

        • Sherbet

          Unfortunately, it makes it impossible for me to comment on the videos. But on the other hand, having nothing relevant to say never stops me from posting in the Bunker.

    • Rasha

      m/

    • EmmaDaoust
    • Opal Lumen

      {{{{DodoCrush}}}}

  • gtsix

    Seeing as people are posting awesomely bad earworms, had this all weekend:
    https://youtu.be/FTQbiNvZqaY

    • Sherbet

      The trouble with some earworms, like this one, is I don’t know all the lyrics. I don’t even know half the lyrics. So I’m blessing the rain down in Africa, repeatedly, with no letup.

      • gtsix

        Wait, the second verse isn’t ” mfhhwa ffhut mmhh hmm yemmean”? Damn.

        • Sherbet

          It is when I sing it.

          • gtsix

            Oh good, me too. What’s true for us is probably false. Intro page, ASC bible.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Here’s my latest
              https://youtu.be/zo2O5E9Ea9Y

            • Sherbet

              I have that song on a 45 rpm record.

            • gtsix

              Oh hellllllll no.

            • stanrogers

              In some parts of Britain, it’s illegal to be caught drunk in public and not be singing that.

            • EmmaDaoust

              For a song about murder, it’s got such a cheery feel to it.

            • Sherbet

              Especially with Tom Jones grinning.

          • Robert Eckert

            Here’s a version where the words are clearer:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB7-5_FiZeU

            • Sherbet

              Wise guy.

      • Philbyification

        Bangkok Oriental City What the city don’t lol

        • Sherbet

          ‘scuse me?

          • stanrogers

            Something about chess by Murray Head, I think.

            • Sherbet

              That’s another earworm for which I don’t know the words.

            • EmmaDaoust
            • Robert Hanna Moore

              Good wedding song.

          • Philbyification

            Earworm treatment song lyrics

        • Rasha

          Love Chess….. ^_^

      • Kestrel

        That’s the worst. Eight bars on repeat.

      • Sherbet

        What the hell is that? I mean, my, that’s a dumb song.

      • iampissed

        You worked that dam gig didn’t ya.

    • Jimmy3

      Hey, they’re supposed to be bad. I actually love this song.

      • Observer

        *whispers* me too

        • Sherbet

          I like it, too.

      • stanrogers

        Right. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cdFuMgMkBM

        • EmmaDaoust

          Alright now you can go stand in the corner young man.

          • stanrogers

            My sister had the 45, now everybody has to pay for it. I’m holding back The Night Chicago Died in reserve.

      • Rasha

        I heart Toto.

        This, Rosanna and 99 are wonderful songs and no one can say otherwise.

        • Jimmy3

          I didn’t know they had other songs. I thought they recorded Africa and immediately disbanded, never to play again.

          • Rasha

            I SAID NO ONE CAN SAY OTHERWISE!!!

    • Philbyification

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    • beauty for ashes

      Whenever J3 posts this song I have to post this bit of stand up. It’s like OCD.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-X60hmn_lA

  • flyonthewall

    I have a problem. I can’t stop buying Lego Dimension guys online. I need help

    • Sherbet

      So what’s the problem?

      • flyonthewall

        I will run out of money eventually and the kids can’t eat Legos and even if they could I prob wouldn’t let them bc they’re mine

        • Robert Eckert

          they’ll come out in the poop eventually

          • flyonthewall

            no that’s no good. It’d cut your butt up something fierce on the way out. No can do

            • stanrogers

              Worse, you could step in/on it.

          • Rasha

            …like civet cat coffee beans!!!!!

        • Sherbet

          That IS a problem. Maybe you can leave them at camp indefinitely, where they’ll get fed.

          • flyonthewall

            just tell them to hide in the woods when it’s time for everyone to go home? Ok, this might work

            • Sherbet

              See?

            • flyonthewall

              that might freak them out though…damn it! Think man, think!

            • beauty for ashes

              Noo, hide in the kitchen cabinets, they might lock that up!

        • Jimmy3

          That basically sums up flyonthewall in one line. That should be your Bunker Yearbook quote.

          • flyonthewall

            It should. Who’s on the yearbook committee?

            So I was thinking, St. Anthony’s burn ward is pretty sweet but the post op recovery unit at Barnes Jewish is top notch. Let’s do St. Anthony’s first, grab some eats then head on over to Barnes. Sound like a plan?

            • Jimmy3

              Hell yeah. This doesn’t sound creepy at all. I’m in.

            • flyonthewall

              alright alright I’m feelin better already

            • Rasha

              Can we disassemble glowsticks?

            • stanrogers

              Sure. They’re not radioactive like the cores of golf balls.

            • flyonthewall

              umm yes but only in the microwave so it’s safe.

    • gtsix

      I’ve heard of a cult who can help with that.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      There once was a Bunkerue called Fly
      For buying more Lego he would die
      Sez he “I’m being thick,
      Nearly thick as a brick,
      Don’t make me listen to Jethro Tull and cry.”

      • stanrogers

        I really don’t mind if he sits this one out.

        • Rasha

          Fly’s a guy???

          • stanrogers

            For the purposes of pronouns, yes.

          • Fly Lady

            Last time I checked.

            • Rasha

              -_^

      • flyonthewall

        ok a Pan poem does help a little, thank you

    • Rasha

      Lego Dimension
      The children may go hungry
      Fly cannot log off

    • Robert Hanna Moore

      Try the flea market?

      • flyonthewall

        You never know but the chances of finding what you’re looking for are pretty slim. I really thought my collection was complete, then ToysrUs had to have a 50% off sale and I just went a little crazy for a bit. I’m ok now though. I’m ok now

        • JJ

          DSHS has programs to help with food medical and housing payments, Not sure if they have a fund for Lego addiction. You can always ask.

        • Puget Buckeye

          But they were 50% off, right? I don’t see a problem here. 50% off, 100% OK

    • Rasha

      You need help buying Lego Dimension guys online? I have $3 in quarters for parking meters. I just gave blood, so I can’t sell plasma, but I do have a spare kidney that might still work…..

      • flyonthewall

        like just laying around? Why isn’t it inside you…unless…it doesn’t belong to you! O.O

        • Rasha

          Not at liberty to say. Is it worth the Dimension guys?

          • flyonthewall

            ha! You funny

    • beauty for ashes

      You could sit outside a store that sells them and beg people to buy them for you because you need to feed your children.

      • PattyCakenfeld

        Get a yellow pup tent and tell the shopkeepers you’re collecting to help disaster victims.

        • GrangerFX

          The victims need a Lego touch assist.

      • flyonthewall

        There’s a problem with that plan. Not the humiliation, I’m fine with that. They might look at me weird if I tell them my kids are starving but I’m asking them to buy me toys so it might just be awkward idk

  • Barbara

    I never watch Marty cuz he’s boring – but I did listen to today’s about the troika. IMHO he’s been given money, promises of more, and he’s convinced to take care of himself (the heck with former friends)…but more importantly CoS is running scared. Money is drying up, ppl are questioning the church, and something major is bothering them / like IRS! So keep doing what your doing because the cracks are starting to show!

    • beauty for ashes

      I just finished watching, Barbara~ good choice on your part. I just can’t get over the expensive production values. Who paid for this??? (And soo many other endless nagging questions!)

      • Barbara

        Beauty- Expensive production values? I’m not sure what that refers? Who paid for Mary’s video show? Probably Golden Era productions.

      • Barbara

        Golden Era Productions is doing Marty’s videos…as for expensive production values – not sure who you mean? Marty or Leah?

        • beauty for ashes

          Marty’s videos look expensive. He says that he is making them for somebody but not for whom in the beginning. Just wondered if anything has been confirmed.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Someone here, I don’t recall who, really analyzed his videos. And maybe I’m recalling a combination of comments. But, the upshot is, that Marty’s videos have all the hallmarks of a Scientology production. He is sitting not in the center of the frame, but off to one side-basically taking up just a third of the frame. The background is nicely staged, no clutter or sign of “real living” and is soft lit and a bit out of focus. And there was discussion about the kind of mic he was probably using, the same that is used in Scientology videos. The comparisons were so spot on, they have convinced me that Marty’s videos are Scientology produced.

            • beauty for ashes

              Thanks Puget, I bet it was Techie. It reminded me of when my sister produced her own how to video before youtube. It was all these lighting tricks and staging things that made the room look like a set.
              Of course that it is scientology produced with the little leprechaun sitting on the other side of the camera rubbing his hands greedily is a suspicion of mine no doubt! I just crave the dox! BTW I haven’t been here much of late, and it’s nice to meet you. 🙂

            • Puget Buckeye

              It’s interesting you mention the little leprechaun. Every time Marty looks at whoever he’s talking to, I just wonder if it’s DM. Or if DM is off to the side directing.
              It’s nice to meet you too!

            • beauty for ashes

              I know right! It’s the big WHY? Or WHO are you trying to please?

      • PeaceMaker

        The stated premise of the first video, is that Rathbun got to tell his version of “the rest of the story; the other side of the story” while the camera rolled, in exchange for first having done an interview. Either that’s just a cunning, calculated misdirection, as has been theorized; or somewhere, a documentarian or interviewer is probably now regretting a deal they made.

    • Bob Crouch

      I tried to watch but I failed. So give me the spoiler already: Who is that troika? Let’s leverage your suffering for the rest of us…

      • Barbara

        Remini, Rinder & Tony.

      • Barbara

        Remini, Rinder & Tony. Marty basically said Tony said crap about Rinder, Rinder said crap about Leah & Tony, and Leah said crap about Tony & Rinder…that all 3 are only in this for the money. That Tony lost his job with “trashy” Village Voice cuz of his reporting on Scientology..Rinder hasn’t had a job in 7 yrs, Leah has over inflated ego. That Marty would NEVER do anything against CoS for money like these 3 have done. He’s far too noble to talk trash for money…whatever.
        If ppl are making money while exposing CoS crimes/weirdness, great 👍🏿 for them.

        • Bob Crouch

          Thanks for the synopsis. I swear I tried. But it was too painful to listen to Marty’s self-satisfied droning.

          So for all that money at stake, the troika blogs, writes books and makes films. Aren’t those EXACTLY the things–the only things–that Marty has been doing for years? And if Going Clear was so bad, why did he WILLINGLY return well after the fact to be part of the GC film too? And then, to cap it all off, Theroux’s film to boot? Money?

          Hasn’t Marty complained that he found it impossible to get/hold a job? Is Monique footing all the bills? Perish the thought, given Rathbun’s express disdain for “kept men!” (A disability he must have developed AFTER accepting Karen DLC’s money!) How much is he being paid to make this–obviously professionally produced–video series? Surely, he’s not dead-agenting himself for free! And from the looks of him, he’s clearly not doing it for the sake of a good time. This man is in desperate need of a laxative!

        • Quick empathy

          Thanks for giving us the overview! I can’t watch anymore.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Breaking Gnus

    Coming to you from our GnusRoom at
    ((($))) $uMP , Channel 47

    Fake Gnus 24/7

    and I am your ghost, Buddy Thetan

    Today we have had a storm warning – madness is approaching the
    south Texas coastline at appalling speed. The levee seems to have
    broken as Marty has spoken.
    Fortunately, the Troika of Trouble and Tribulations are aware of the
    situation.

    In other news:
    Everybody is Leah’s bitch.

    There once was a Thetan named Marty
    He thought he was so f&$king smarty.
    Dave’s violent thug
    And absolute mug,
    Marty missed out on a coming out party.

    And, dude, a little focus might help:
    Take care of your kid and fuck off

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c2b176c8ea4b9b6cc3f9bee9a4c12b170f468bc64c19b13f8aec30d34c1c83e.jpg

    • Rasha

      Solid.

    • beauty for ashes

      Watch out, that child is being enormously adorable, in what suspiciously looks like faerie territory! <3

  • JJ

    Scientology DOES work It is all about effort. And maybe perception, bit of semantics. It is how went from an average student to “functionally illiterate” AFTER joining Scientology. The cure looks better when the cure (made up) is bigger. …Drops the crutches, walks for the first time in decades. Hallelujah!

  • JJ

    I have an idea for the power building, in the running room how about a floor made completely of copper. You can run on it barefoot and the negative energy will by pulled from the bottom of your feet. That’ll be $72.00. Per lap.

    • stanrogers

      I dunno. That sounds pretty upper-levels, so you’re likely to get more than $72 worth out of a lap. Maybe if they sold it in marathon-length intensives?

      • JJ

        Wonder if the wearing of a copper head piece could facilitate the action? Or possibly the energy could be used to run the lights in the building maybe.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Put coils under the floor and make them wear magnets. Problem solved.

      • ReneeG

        Yeah. I have watched all of these vids, and this one had a very different flavor to it. Marty really seemed to believe his interpretation of his observations, and his manufactured embellishments. I have to agree with Mike Rinder on this one, and he was being gracious. Marty has lost it. Paranoid delusion. Marty is twisting himself into a pretzel to weave together a story with himself as the hero. Oh, this is so sad. I am actually beginning to ponder if Missy’s minions have systematically drugged him to get him to lose his shit. Sounds tinfoilly, I know, but, DAMN.

      • JJ

        You know, with electro-magnets they could even walk up the walls and onto the ceiling, we’re talking the appearance of super powers here, this is worth a look in!

  • Narapoid

    Sorry, I must express myself about the $cientology Warrior.

    Well, Marty is working his A-Es as in continued evidence by “Leah and Her Troublemakers”. So the Troika is Leah, Tony and Mike.

    But he still made it about himself. He told them this and that, but HE was a hero and they are money-grubbing anarchists out to burn down the noble Scientology for filthy lucre. Incredibly contrived bullshit.

    But as so many exes and critics noticed, Ensign Rathbun had been making war against COB, NOT SCIENTOLOGY. He was butt hurt when he was thrown into the hole by his former bro who was replacing him with Tom C. But then he escaped! Now Davey will respect me! He was still butt hurt about his treatment by DM…but was he ever contrite about his perverse power moves while working within the cult? “Making things go right” like tracking people down across country, and dragging them back are the things that made him feel like a big shot. Smashing the IRS is quite a feat. A lot of power and respect flowed to him at one time.

    He misses it.

    Only Benedict Rathbun and Captain Miscavige knows what was “promised”. A promise, from a Scilon? When the COB exacts his revenge on Marty, when Marty is at his most vulnerable, it will be sick. He will be the one escorting Jenny Linson as she berates people in public, like a chained, toothless old dog. Frickin’ sad.

    And he could have been the hero! Mosey’s case blowing up right now would have been fucking EPIC! A damned dumptruck full of money and a satisfaction that would be as sweet as the harassment was terrible. Hell, he still thinks he is the hero with that pinched performance in morticians makeup. But he has no one who will trust him after his betrayal of Dani. Not the dwindling active members nor the exes.

    A sad man of whom I will try to never speak of again. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e979045746a961789eddd4d3d8564a2b5a21e1390b710549e01448c6aa2911e.jpg

    • JJ

      He might but he’ll never be trusted again. He is always a suspect. But DM could make him eat it for the rest of his existence, then he doesn’t even have to pretend to like him.

    • Narapoid

      Well that was cathartic but heavy. How about my happy song Bunkeroos! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5-3OUWAtM

    • FredEX2

      Narapoid dear, here’s the truth…there is no ‘troika’…it’s all in the imagination of turncoat minion Rat-bum. The ‘troika’ does not exist…and neither does ‘the narrative’…its just the mantra in Ratty’s head that he likes to repeat over and over…

      • Narapoid

        Yes, FredEX2, I never knew what he was referring to until I listened to his full-pull bull about an hour ago. Right next to the ASC that will rue the day we didn’t kiss his ass and recognize his greatness.

        • FredEX2

          Totally agree with you. It’s sad to watch him destroy his own credibility…and do it so publicly. In the end it doesn’t matter what he says…it’s too late. Truth always prevails and history cannot be erased or rewritten… no matter how hard he tries.

          It’s like Marty is deliberately falling on his own sword…and dying a slow and painful self-destruction…in the end it won’t matter at all…

  • FredEX2

    O/T Caught on camera on patrol doing a ‘sweep’ for cameras and bugs in the bushes … 🙂
    F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4b981671531e8fc1a717446d4acec2f4631aab4657bbbd4d25c2500da92a2657.jpg

    • Puget Buckeye

      What about squirrels? Any of them?

      • FredEX2

        Just a couple but they weren’t hurting anybody… 😉

    • beauty for ashes

      That dog’s smile is gonna kill me!!!!! DYIN OVA HERE!!!!

    • 0tessa

      Our little sleuth …

      • FredEX2

        Bruno for Bunker mascot! 🙂

  • PattyCakenfeld

    Way to bury the lede, sMarty. But now that It’s Official, there’s a lot to do. ASC symbol, loyalty oath, contracts, proselytizing pamphlets, ethics committees, etc. I assume the trinity* will be interpreting and codifying Wright’s source material for us. Can’t wait for the pull quotes and Sunday services.

    *Could be the cause of our first splinter group. I don’t like “troika” because I’d prefer to avoid any subsequent investigations into my ties with Russia.

    • Noesis

      It’s Tony’s ties to Russia that are suspect. And I heard somewhere that Mike and Leah once each said the word “Russia” which means each of them are suspect too.

      Here’s the proof (copied directly from the non-existent, non-redacted version of the super secret [too secret for anyone to ever see] counter-intelligence surveillance images of Tony, Leah and Mike acting in “collusion” with some very questionable (but still unidentified) “Russians” in disguise.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b76f35d1c9665eb9041b377c8cb353e56d39a6b4a8047d2c56799cbab66e6dbe.png

      • FredEX2

        They have opened and investigation into the Russian connection. 🙂

      • Heinz Arsch

        Undisclosed Sources are the BEST sources…

        o/

    • Reminds me of the Usenet days of alt.religion.scientology and jokes among exes and critics about the ARSCC (Alt.Religon.Scientology Center Committee, as I recall). The problem was, consistent with Poe’s Law, that some OSAbots and Scientology agents came to believe there in fact WAS an ARSCC.

      So if you joke about the ASC, some will take that as confirmation that the ASC of course exists.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        alt.religion.scientology coordinating committee (wdne) I think. The (wdne) was for “we do not exist.”

        ETA: There is some information it was “central” committee.

        • Puget Buckeye

          Kind of like the hole. At least according to you know who.

      • sizzle8

        I still get my monthly check from Big Pharma.

        • April

          I’ve never gotten one. And I’m quite pissed about it.

      • Robert Eckert

        At HowdyCon for a lark we said Hip Hip Hooray to a picture of Tony and posted the video. This was of course taken entirely seriously by Alanzo.

        • beauty for ashes

          Wasn’t it scotch taped haphazardly to the wall at the bar even? lol

      • Storm Chaser

        First rule of ASC is, there is no ASC.

        • Supper Powers

          ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    • chukicita

      First, the copyrights.

      • Puget Buckeye

        And don’t we need to get tax exemption?

    • grundoon

      “I pledge allegiance to the cult of Remini, Rinder and Ortega. One troika…”

      Naaaaah.

  • Jimmy3

    Tony ‘The Proprietor’ Ortega
    Troll Farm PR Meme Guy
    ASC – Troika
    The Underground Bunker
    http://www.tonyortega.org
    [email] – [number]

    Now there’s a business card.

    • flyonthewall

      eggshell with Romalian type?

      • beauty for ashes

        embossed.

  • The harassment of former Scientology member Chrissie Bixler.

    https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/877334207776927744

    • Philbyification

      Pro Tip: Dye Pack!

      • EmmaDaoust

        Dog poopy smeared all over the contents works a treat.

    • Robert Eckert

      Why you no take survey?

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      If she is on season 2 of Aftermath, then they are looking for dirt that they can throw at her on the hate website that they are going to do on her. That’s SOP for the CO$.

  • Supper Powers

    I am big dog person. I don’t like cats. But I dislike assholic people who treat kitties or other creatures poorly. That includes abondining kitties when they are babies in the city sewers. I tried for 3 hours to get these two to talk to me. I brought them food and water. They liked that. A lot. But they won’t come home with me. Guess I have 2 new kitties to check on every night now. I don’t know old they are but I suspect 4 weeks.

    F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ffdff6924e5383444e00fc7bac536bcf3b95648051fddb96520b0f2f25847410.jpg

    • beauty for ashes

      Oh no, they’re so cute and young!

      • Supper Powers

        I know. I love them. They’re at an age where they can be rescued and socialized. I just have to nab ‘me.

        • beauty for ashes

          Oh good. That white mustacheod one looks irresistible. 🙂

        • Juicer77

          Try some oysters. Or anything else smelly. Good luck! Been there, done that. It’s a challenge but rewarding in the end 🙂

    • Puget Buckeye

      Can you get one of those humane traps from PAWS?

      • Supper Powers

        I have one. I’ll bring it out this week and hang out at the nearby bar until I can capture them.

        • Supper Powers

          I used it to capture rats in my house. Rats. Killing critters is usually unnecessary. Even fucking rats.

          • Puget Buckeye

            It’s official. When it comes to rats, you’re a nicer person than I am.

            • Supper Powers

              I like some rats more than most people.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Understand.

    • DMSTCC

      I used to be the same until I rescued a kitten my elderly neighbor couldn’t handle.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59b3c96bffdd9ed15dda62b325edf2424bc9869559ffa0765738bfd615f62976.jpg
      He became part of the family and follows us on walks
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/829ad98f33876b1e1a2c423c7f13333811d25e6367cc5bbea046bbee81962b15.jpg

    • stillgrace2

      you meant four months, right?

      • Supper Powers

        I don’t know. I am not familiar with cats or how they age. I just know they are leel and need hewp.

        • stillgrace2

          they are the same size as my beloved sixteen year old Doodlebug was when my son and I adopted him at age four months.

      • FredEX2

        Yep. They look about 3-4 months.

        • Liberated

          That’s what I was thinking.

    • EmmaDaoust

      I found my cat 15 years ago. She was a lost little kitten, just 7 weeks old.

    • Storm Chaser

      They are so cute! Keep us posted on your progress!!

    • beauty for ashes

      I think the Black and white one, if it is a boy his name is Charles, if a girl her name is Petunia. What about the Calico?

      • beauty for ashes

        Tuna or tuna face for short, or maybe muffins.

      • Puget Buckeye

        Name for the calico? How about Troika?

        • beauty for ashes

          How about Tennessee Whiskey?

      • Supper Powers

        I agree! You are in charge of names.

    • FredEX2

      Ahhh Supper Powers…you ole softie ❤️

    • PeaceMaker

      SP, I admire you for doing the right thing. I’m a cat person (we have a couple of cats from the pound, with rather dog-like personalities), but I always try to go out of my way to treat dogs with kindness.

      From the photo, that looks to me like a kitten on the left, and an older cat, though possibly a young mother, on the right.

      I gather from other comments, that you know about trapping. Stray cats are subject to a lot of dangers, and I hope that you can rescue them quickly.

  • I just saw his latest video (much as I could stomach) He’s fingering Ortega’s motives as money. You getting rich off this Tony? LOLOL. Tony is part of a troika (is that it?) of three people who control all the anti-scientology information. Their grip is tight folks. They screen everything and only select the tidbits of the most salacious nature. That’s a summation. Wow. He must be under serious pressure to do this because I don’t honestly think he’s enough of a dumbass to believe what he’s spewing. Enjoy.

    • beauty for ashes

      Super Rich. He’s leaving all his money to the cats, and the sharpei though. 😉

      • Puget Buckeye

        Yep, wrinkle dog gonna be livin’ large!

        • beauty for ashes

          Gonna get a gold grill!

        • gtsix

          Pfft, cats.will steal wrinkle dogs stuff. She wants treats and cuddles, they want world domination.

  • Supper Powers

    Good night, all. I have troika clusters in my eyes and can’t read the text anymore. See y’all tomorrow.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Good night! Sleep tight.

    • beauty for ashes

      night night good luck with them kittehs!

  • Storm Chaser

    It seems pretty clear by now that Marty Rathbun’s blog has become the new official CoS hate/smear website. The other sites just weren’t getting enough hits, so DM had to come up with a new ploy and Rathbun was the perfect foil… It’s no wonder he disabled comments.

    • PeaceMaker

      I think it may be intended to be a new – or revived – rallying point for independent scientologists. Just look at who’s posting, or being allowed to post, now that comments are enabled on the newer posts.

  • Missionary Kid

    OT. Interesting commentary on TC and star power in movies in general. It talks about Cruise meddling in all the films he’s been in and the general state of stardom. It’s actually kind to Cruise, but it’s saying that star power alone doesn’t make a film successful any more. My conclusion: TC ain’t such a big being in Hollywood any more

    http://www.slashfilm.com/lessons-from-the-mummy/

    • beauty for ashes

      His face looks better at least!

    • NerdHerd

      He’d do better if he played insane characters in his films. LOL it’d be closer to the truth

    • Kim O’Brien

      psst …please email me kimob924@gmail.com

      • Missionary Kid

        Will do.

    • richelieu jr

      All this is true, and as someone who was once fired from a big picture by a very big star indeed, I can tell you it isn’t just Cruise.

      I will also add this: The star is usually right, at least as far as their own image is concerned. It is why we hire stars, not actors necessarily.

      there is a very interesting moment in the Minority Report BLuRay bonuses where Cruise and Spielberg are talking about their relationship and who controls the shoot (Spielberg). Cruise was both producer, Star and IIRC, Head of the Studio at the time, so they were asked what would happen if they did ever disagree, and there was an bit of an uncomfortable pause before Cruise laughed and said, “Luckily, it hasn’t come to that yet.”)

      Cruise may have stumbled, but whatever his shortcomings as human being and critical thinker, he has had a run of success that has rarely if ever been equalled.

      I hope this moment of weakness will inspire the press to grow backbones and press him on the Scientology Scandal, though I wouldn’t count on it.

      There is an unfortunate tendency to see someone succeed greatly and then when they fall treat it as the inevitable comeuppance of such a loser. Of course he sticks his controlling, famous fingers in the pie on his films, wouldn’t you? He is star and producer and like the proverbial gorilla sits AROUND the House, wherever he damn well pleases. If he would care to interfere in a couple of mine, I promise you I would swallow my hate of Scientology and fucking collaborate with the man.

      Civilians have such a funny idea of the way films are made. I spend a good part of my time as Directing Coach and Professor trying to stamp this twisted perversion of the Auteur Theory out of their heads.

  • NerdHerd

    I’ll listen to Marty’s video about Leah after work, but noticed Dan Koon commenting on the post.

    dankoon | June 20, 2017 at 12:31 pm | Reply

    Uh, Marty, what you are saying about the ASC is EXACTLY AND PRECISELY what the Church of Scientology does to anybody who speaks out about abuses in the Church. Or have you forgotten the 400+ days the Squirrel Busters made your and Mosey’s life a living nightmare? Come on, man, this is not a good look for you.

    Interesting that his comment actually got posted by the moderator. I imagine that there are many more comments not being allowed to filter through, but really puzzled why this one was allowed….

    • PeaceMaker

      I suspect that Koon has too much stature [ETA: in the independent community] to be censored – and Rathbun can’t risk alienating any of his few remaining supporters.

      Tolerating just a bit of dissent might allow Rathbun to make some claim such as that he wasn’t really censoring, just filtering out trolls – and the ASC. I think he might be in a state of mind where he actually believes that himself.

      • Puget Buckeye

        And for me, his “state of mind” is of concern. Agree with him or not, label him delusional or a traitor, question his motives or if he’s being paid for these videos…without coming across as all touchy feely, I think we may be watching a very public melt down or some sort of a break.

      • NerdHerd

        Didn’t Dan Koon help DM’s dad write his book? I’m just surprised after Marty’s scathing review of the book that Dan would be allowed to say anything in MartyWorld

      • Supper Powers

        Go fish. Your conjecture is baffling.

    • richelieu jr

      Listen, I think I am pretty well-known for being loud in my distaste for what this man is doing, and I do know that he screens and eliminates comments.

      Two (possibly three!) of my posts were included in the Baker’s Dozen he used as an example of what a hateful cult we are over here, whichI take as a badge of honour.

      HOWEVER:

      He consistently posted my comments (some pretty critical) on his blog. Perhaps he wanted to be able to pint to me as proof of his magnanimity, or just didn’t feel like culling the herd those days, I do not know.

  • iampissed

    Arron is far more interesting then….Who

  • Liberated

    Dweezil Zappa is sitting in with the Roots.:-)

    • richelieu jr

      Never loved Dweezil that much, but I did once see him play 70 songs from the 70s in 70 minutes live (a the Whisky, IIRC), and it was pretty amazing.

  • John Prince

    Rejoice Bunkerites 👽the Summer Solstice is upon us 🔆 …
    So, where IS the prophesized debut, the “maiden broadcast” of SMP? ¿

    🕸 “buzzing with activity “

    • Puget Buckeye

      Yay! Summer. Fog, drizzle, mid 60s. Slugs and snails are happy and the moss is growing!

      • Liberated

        Consider yourself lucky – the northeast and southwest are super hot !

        • Puget Buckeye

          Oh, believe me, I do! I have friends/relatives in both the northeast and southwest. They laugh at me when I start to shed clothes when it reaches the 50s. I don’t do heat very well.

      • John Prince

        Ah Yes. ..Traffic Jams, the scent of Sun-tan oil, the tangy taste of a well-mixed Gin-Tonic, Summer-Hits blairing on Boom-boxes at the Beach. .
        ‘Bout time for a good Clam-bake,
        Idnt it?

    • J. Swift

      SMP has been debuting its launch show for over a week now:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQKKHFcCvjk

      • PeaceMaker

        Funny, though I’m still not sure that is really what is going on. And has been discussed, the CofS could probably not use any of the videos in their entirety, for broadcast to their membership – well, with the possible exception of the most recent one about Leah and others, come to think of it.

        I do think that the CofS will likely use Rathbun’s material, and the reaction from The Bunker, in ways that may not have been anticipated, such as we saw back in the a.r.s. newsgroup days.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Doesn’t the sets of books and the bad makeup remind anybody of anyplace?

      • John Prince

        Oh mighty Xenu, I fear You’re Right 😯 matty’s putrid Lie-a-thon really is the long awaited “dissemination” 💩Scientology unleashing it’s magnificent power on the World of Wogs by trying to re-write a Hit Book ,which became a Hit Film,that’s been on the Shelves for like 5 Years!!
        Don’t You hear Us laughing, OSA?
        you’d better leave Bruno alone!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      You got it all upside down- its the winter solstice. 🙂

      • John Prince

        You in Austrailia or what?

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Yep. I’m in Australia.

          • John Prince

            Throw another Shrimp on the Barbie for me, Mate 🍻

            • TheMirrorThetan

              They’re prawns. LOL.

            • richelieu jr

              Aren’t we all.. Prawns in the game…

              (The real Shrimp isn’t on the Barbie, but CoB of RT.)

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Groan. 🙂

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      I’m not rejoicing !! It was 101 degrees here today……YUCK

      • John Prince

        Oh Dear! ..no Beach in Your Vicinity? Sorry 😎

  • Gus Cox

    Marty’s whole thing just stinks of Jon Zegel’s 4th tape, where he recants everything in his first three tapes. That’s what we had in the 80’s – cassette tapes, not YouTube.

    He talks about how the AAC (Advanced Ability Center – Harvey Haber’s and David Mayo’s little alt-cherch) was all wrong, how he drove by Pac one day and saw all the happy clams getting the tech, and about how he was just a shameful squirrel. Marty’s crap is damned near parallel to this, damned near exactly 30 years later.

    I don’t know what that asshole Miscavige had on Zegel, but having known the guy (Zegel was an idiot), I imagine it could have been juicy. Zegel just faded away and never told, and he died years ago.

    I don’t know Marty, but it looks like COB is playing the same game – stick with what worked.

    Frankly, I don’t give a tin shit. Thank Xenu, it’s Marty’s life, not mine.

    Dice posted a convenient transcription – beats the hell out of having to listen to it – and it’s the best and most complete transcription I’ve seen to date: https://dicenomore.wordpress.com/2017/06/08/zegel-tape-no-4/

    It looks familiar, doesn’t it?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Dice is spot on!

      • Liberated

        Yes, Dice is nice.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    It must be very scary for those who have trusted mark who have left or possibly considered leaving the cult. Numerous people seemed to have reached out to him at various times and what he could blab out in his smear videos could put them in a very dangerous position. Shame on you mark, you piece of shit. Look at all the work many did (Tony) to further your cause and alert the public and law enforcement to the abuse you suffered. Brush up on your TR’s and go back to the hole where you belong!

  • Heinz Arsch

    It’s so simple.. DM is one last asthma attack away to leave his shell behind to work together with LRH on the Final Tech. Somehow LRH got stuck in another dimension and that’s why DM couldn’t KSW. Marty is the designated new leader.. secret contract already signed, etc.. Xemu is indeed free for quite a while now and wants to collect all the back taxes from us, he noticed Trump won against CoS loving Clintons and teamed up.. constantly hiding under Trumps MAGA hat. The Troika is the new enemy of the universe with their blogs and tv shows all watched by psychostimulant popping BT victims. TC is already getting special training at Gold Base to be ready to fight against the Troika planted Tripods.. it’s War of the Worlds all over again. (You thought that was just a play? Joke’s on you..) In the end it will come to a showdown and Marty dressed as Batman will save the day, afterwards clearing us (for real this time.. there was a semicolon wrong in the scripture, that’s why it didn’t work) instantly in a reformed CoS/FZ worldwide online auditing session and ‘tada’ we can all finally die and go back to the planets we came from.

    You say this makes no sense at all?
    But didn’t you just watch 23 Marty vids?

  • 0tessa

    I can think of another troika: Miscavige – Cruise – Rathbun.
    Three desperate middle-aged man facing a serious midlife crisis.

    • richelieu jr

      Yes, the Trinity known as “Pee-Wee”, “Tom” and “Holy Crap!”

  • GrangerFX

    Troll farm is such an ugly phrase. I prefer troika minions.
    https://www.popoptiq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Minions.jpg

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    This was probably posted here hours ago but I’ve only just watched it. Bryan Seymour on typical epic form on Australian morning television discussing the VMs at Grenfell Tower and the fact the Australian tax payers are funding a private Scientology school.

    https://au.tv.yahoo.com/the-morning-show/video/watch/36071946/exposing-the-dark-abuses-of-the-church-of-scientology/#page1

    • Jimmy3

      We don’t see enough of Seymour.

      • EmmaDaoust

        ISWYDT

        • Jimmy3

          I knew where you’d be looking and I did it right there

          • richelieu jr

            ll: One More Tiiiime! :ll

            (rinse, repeat as needed!)

          • EmmaDaoust

            I looked where I thought you’d be doing it and you knew it.

    • John McGhee

      What an excellent start to the day; calling those vultures out.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Gotta love that bloke.

  • richelieu jr

    There are now clearly a handful of well-worn routes out from the Citadel of Indecency and Disinformation that is the Pyramid Scheme operating under the name of the Church of Scientology.

    1) a)There is, of course, the Kiddy Pool of Hubbard-lite where crystal rubbers and born-followers sift through the runny clear ooze around the Big Bird’s poop, not realising that al that shiny, clear stuff– Yeah, that is poop too, alright. No nuggets to be had there.

    b) Better go ahead and sing up at the Kabblah Center or or stick your head deep in the shot and open an ‘Independent Can-Holding Bizness”.

    2) a) Shock therapy/Reality Check. Self-examination. Acceptance of responsibility. Welcome to the Real World. I have wasted enough time with this nonsense; Caveat Emptor, guys!

    b) Truth telling. The feeling that one needs to right the wrongs and not just stick Hubbard and Miscavige’s continuing money nozzle and family grinder continue to operate with impunity?

    3) Probably most exes and never ins.. Kind of muddling our way through our lives and trying our best to do right by ourselves and families, whilst being true to our values and consciences. Coming to the TUB, or even MIke’s Blog, or Marty’s Swamp, lurking or commenting, and basically trying to figure out what happened tot hem, where they erred and to what degree they are responsible for what happened (or was done) to them.

    Some may protest, or post their stories, or simply try and keep their heads down until their family is out of the grasp of this nasty business.

    4) Attempt to recreate the same meaning and position you had ‘Inside’ out in the real world where facts and experience matter.

    No Marty, Non-filmakers with no script or experience in anything other than evidence shredding, child and adult abusing, escapee chasing, blackmail, and evidence and witness tampering, will not allow YOU TO DIRECT THEIR FILM.

    I know a Real World General (retired) who is a consultant on major war films; He does not expect gaffers and grasp to salute and hand over the wheel to the car. He knows his place; We do call him general, tho.

    This cannot work, nor should it.

    And this sort of person (obviously The Scilon Warthog is a perfect example, mistake the glare of attention for celebrity and worth, and when it leaves, they are left like an STD-ridden 30-something reality star wondering why Orange boobs can’t even get you a senior manager position at Orange Julius.

    Marty is so deluded he thinking of TUB as Fickle “Groupies” (his word), followers who have betrayed him.

    They tend to be bullies, and bullies a re big whiny pussies who cut and run the instant they get a taste of their own medicine. Spend long in The Hole, Marty? What is the ration for people you have shouted down and called out in public versus the number of times it has happened to you. Why should everyone else bend over and take it, but for you it is the grossest injustice?

    He seriously feels he deserves more than the respect due to any other human being. He believes he is better than us and by Ron, he will MAKE us see it!

    These people are walking contradictions, disclosing Hubbard chicanery and saying he was not good, whilst lauding their exploits within, the lives crushed, the escapees outwitted or bullied into submission. He cannot seem to accept that out here we do not just pretend to think such things are bad and call them ‘crimes’, but they are bad, we deplore them, and there is a real-life justice system that at least aims to make ‘reasonable’ a positive adjective rather than due cause for re-education, seclusion and torture.

    And finally these fence-sitters are always forced to pick sides:
    Not Scientology vs Reality, necessarily;
    But Facts vs Fantasy (or whatever Ron Says).

    Marty wants to be Trump or Miscavige but has beer budget for lackies, not the champagne necessary to really get people to sit around a table and ear leader you on national television. Manson had Acid and Orgies. So does Marty, but only in his ulcerated stomach and soul to spit on passers-by from the safety of his blog and the Cluster-Fuck of his comment-board followers, like a funhouse mirror of the CoS;
    Big Ol’ Marty and little, tiny mob vs Teeny-Tiny Davey and his ludicrous burocracy of delusion.

    And just like a fun-house mirror, if you look too lang everything starts to look woozy and you kind want to puke.

    Take a Tums, Marty, and get a job lifting and moving things (no into people or vice-versa.) You’ll feel better, and so will all of us.

    But he got a baby and wife and will sit at home picking scabs, going over this Troika and Enemies List and blaming Tony (or Miscavige) and feeding the seething sense of unfairness and injustice of people who do not want to play by his bizarro-world rule.

  • LesJolies Choses

    i really feel sorry for the poor wife and child he dragged in this tragic story… how that woman and child will going to bee seen? son and wife of the biggest liar

  • EDN/laineybin

    So first I find out I’m a member of a cult – BTW, when do I get my T-shirt and membership card??- and now I find out I’m a troll on a farm. This week has been full of revelations about my life.

  • One morsel of fallout from Martygate is that he drove Alanzo to quit the fight after 16/17 years. It apparently was just too much for him. He’d had enough. The final straw. Right, that’s it, I’m outta here! Does anyone have any further information or opinions on this aspect of Martygate?

  • Kayla Corcoran

    “We tried to stay away from Mark “Marty” Rathbun’s sad videos, we really did. We got two whole days away from commenting”…

    The fact that you have to not only bring up that you didn’t comment for “two whole days” but clearly expressed it took effort shows the level of obsession and/or impulsiveness. I’m honestly shocked you’d admit this at all. Are you actually trying to see how bad you can make yourselves look? Honestly sounds worse than what you accuse the church of in many respects.

    Who is this we you’re talking about? Anti Scientology one minute is complaining about people not seeing them as completely autonomous, and then speak as if they’re talking for a blankety unified group. Even claims I only just heard, sometimes, or heard contradicted.

    If you mean yourself, Leah, and Mike, this is exactly what Marty is speaking about. You have a pact on when and if to talk about stuff?

    • EDN/laineybin

      You’re kidding, right?

      Well firstly, Tony, and a lot of other reporters and/or bloggers (oh, and the Queen), often use “we” when posting and it means just themselves. It’s a way of expressing thoughts and ideas. I often use it in business as it helps get away from “me, me, me and I, I, I” and it doesn’t denoted a group.

      Secondly, I also didn’t want to give Marty any views but he’s just so blatantly lying and rewriting history that it’s hard not to want to know what he’s going to do next. I’m guessing that someone actually gave Tony the heads-up that he’s prominently figured in the latest and that’s why he watched. I’d do the same in his shoes.

      • Kayla Corcoran

        Are you sure that’s how the people you mentioned use the word “we”. I honestly have never heard it used that way. Have heard we being used to bring people into the conversation. As in “we’ve been watching Marty’s videos”, or what do we see here?” None the less, if you’re right, seems weird, but it was a legit question.

        Anyways my point was he made a point to say he didn’t comment on his latest videos, and the big deal he made about a couple of days. I’m pretty sure he’s been keeping up with the Marty none the less as he’s made several already. If he happened to have been informed about this particular video before he watched it, not sure it really matters. He already made multiple on the videos and seems to be staying up to date on them.

        This is oddly written. Anyways he may’ve meant John as he got his input, or I don’t know if he has staff. Anyways I saw him use we in the other way I’m used to seeing it.

        • Bob Crouch

          Tony clarifies his use of the “we” pronoun (and it it a common one–whether you’ve heard of it or not) in his blog’s FAQ. Click on “About” and you will find:

          “Why do you use “we” to refer to yourself?

          It’s a columnist’s conceit we use out of habit and for no good reason except that it amuses us.”

          BTW, this FAQ is years old; this is NOT a recent development. You can go back through Tony’s other blogs and find Tony using the “we” when referring to himself as the blogger.

          Since Tony is a journalist who maintains a blog on scientology (and has been reporting on the cult for close to 25 years), it stands to reason that you are correct in your suspicion: “I’m pretty sure he’s been keeping up with the [sic] Marty…” I’m sure Tony keeps up with Marty’s latest emissions in the same way he keeps up with cult-related subject matters in general. Hardly a “smoking gun” you uncovered there!

          Put yourself in the shoes of an expert independent blogger on scientology, Do Marty’s daily videos merit comment or not? That’s a daily decision.

          Marty has a history with the cult as well as a critic of scientology. that may make him well worth covering in a blog. Then again, Marty has lost most (if not all) his credibility with his self-contradictions, his denial of the documented record (and failure to back up his positions), and his betrayal of the confidences of people who once trusted him–even his friends.

          So while Marty’s self-immolation may hold a certain fascination and while it’s worth to correct his dishonest statements from time to time, it has also become pretty damn boring to comment on this on a daily basis or bring a level of attention to him that he simply does not deserve.

          • Kayla Corcoran

            Well, I didn’t read the FAQ and I did I could tell you your said reasons are off as he states here it’s done for amusement. I honestly don’t care, but I think journalism should be clear. How it was written it’s how I see other writers/ journalists use it. The example I used makes sense IMO. Esp since some have staff. Anyways the point was finding out what he meant otherwise I really don’t care.

            You’re saying he’s not “deserving of attention” yet it should be a daily decision weather to comment or not? Also you’re proving Marty’s point. Watch his videos, or ignore it. You’re parroting what Tony said. You seem to be parroting conflicting views. Either he’s not deserving of attention or worth covering. Also we’re not taking about ounce in while Tony has been commenting a lot. So if it’s that boring than complain to him. You keep ignoring my points and bringing up semantics. In fact for someone who parrots Tony you’ve not only failed to show you understood Tony’s points but contradicted them.

            Simple question, can you give one example of a lie Marty had told, and how has he lost credibility? Also is your own option conflicting with Tony’s actions, because you’re all over the place but are yet to address anything of substance?

            • Bob Crouch

              Well, you should “care.” Because your entire “argument” was based on your assumption that by saying “we,” Tony was referring as spokesman to some group of people–the anti-scn cult of Marty’s fevered imagination–rather than expressing his own perspective. Now that this “evidence” no longer holds, you claim you “don’t care?” Really? Is it about being truthful for you, or about trying one line of attack and, when it turns out to be untenable, pretending that did not happen?

              Since you are misstating what I said–yet again–here’s what I DID say: “Put yourself in the shoes of an expert independent blogger on scientology, Do Marty’s daily videos merit comment or not? That’s a daily decision.”

              As of now, Marty has released 26 little videos. Many of them are highly repetitive. Do you really believe that the moment he comes out with a new one Tony (or anyone else, for that matter) should drop everything and write about it? Your “either-or” alternative, discuss every video or discuss none, is ridiculous!

              You’re diddling around with conspiracy theories about “we” and then you claim I don’t provide “substance.” I debunked your entire “argument.” That appears to be all the substance you can handle at this moment.

              Repeatedly, Tony has provided instances of Marty’s self-contradictions. Here is what I suggest:

              1. Look them up in Tony’s blog
              2. DON’T take Tony’s word for it
              3. Go back to the sources and see for yourself. A good place to start are Marty’s own blog entries.

              Alternatively:
              1. Watch Marty’s videos again.
              2. While doing so, ask yourself: Did Marty just provide evidence for what he said, or does he simply want me to take his word for it?
              3. Does he ever address the substance of anyone’s arguments–with documentation–or is he just spreading stories about the sources, i.e. “shooting the messenger.”

              Open your eyes. You’ll be amazed!

      • Kayla Corcoran

        Btw it looks as though Tony didn’t even address what was said about him. Was actually commenting on other videos. Anyways, not sure why you implied he only talked about it/ even wathced since he was a main topic in the last two videos. If anything he avoided the topic, at the very least dismissed it. So why would that be a reason to respond again? Anyways you should watch Marty if you haven’t already. Proving his point. Just coping Tony and not looking for yourself “rewriting history”, Tony has been wathicng his videos. It’s clear from reading it. Just checked the article again. Anyways, can you name a single fact in the video even. Honestly not sure we’re you’re coming up with these interpretations.

  • Michael Pearson

    I think its obvious what has happened. Only my opinion, not based on any detailed facts:
    1) The Rathbuns cancelled the court case – I imagine because it was a) time consuming and b) expensive.
    2) Marty said in Louis Theroux’s movie that, “after leaving $cientology he was unemployable and broke”.
    3) He was key to the IRS work – therefore could be a serious threat to $ci in the future.
    4) Someone offered him money to reverse the negative PR.
    5) He decided to “work some PR” for the Cult. For money, for a promise of less hassle or perhaps both?

    However he seems transparently to feel uneasy about participating in these videos. Therefore I think I can see through their voracity. I still feel pity towards him despite the turnaround. After all, he has had a difficult twenty or more years.

    • Mooser42001

      “After all, he has had a difficult twenty or more years.”
      I can see that. There’s no statute of limitations on certain offenses.

  • Marty wants to rewrite history? Do you mean, Tony, a rewrite of the history you and Lawrence Wright rewrote for your clients?

    • Bob Crouch

      Your “argument” is beyond absurd! First of all, Marty was extensively involved with composing the history Wright (not to mention Gibney, Theroux and various others) ended up writing–the same history the “expert” to these folks is now disowning. Ortega was NOT.

      Second, if you want to imply–none too subtly–that Wright’s writing was done at the behest of someone else, you know the rules for any honest and credible discourse: DOX os STFU. Marty has been throwing that same claim around for almost two years now. And whenver he’s asked to put up or shut up, he avoids the issue or promises some future revelations of these shadowy entities pulling Ortega’s or Wright’s strings.

      In the meantime, it’s perfectly obvious who’s pulling Marty’s strings!

      • Kayla Corcoran

        Yet you admitted to commenting on the situation without watching the video. You just keep making vague claims, and accusations. You’re yet to bring up anything resembling substance, or even show a basic understanding of what Tony says. Admittedly he’s not super easy to follow. Honestly, the average internet troll, would probably be more clear. You day Marty needs proof? I’d like to see you’ve retained enough the opinions you seemingly parrot enough to answer the most basic questions.

        You know how I found Marty? I searched anti Scientology cult, because I was harassed by anti Scientology people after I requested to be left out of the conversations. You have no basis to say who or if someone is influencing his decisions.

        • Bob Crouch

          WHERE did I “admit” to commenting without watching the video? MY conclusions are based on doing EXACTLY THAT!

          But since–amongst your verbiage that merits no response–you are claiming that my objections to Marty’s presentations are without substance, let me repeat the critical questions from my original post:

          1. Where is the evidence that Tony is writing at the behest of shadowy others? Or as Marty put it on his blog, “carrying their water.” He promised to substantiate that claim. So far, crickets. But hey, since you are repeating it, maybe YOU can enlighten me!

          2. Where do Marty’s videos provide ANY documentation whatsoever?

          • Kayla Corcoran

            Yea, that was on me. You sounded similar to another commenter and you jumped in with an explanation that contradicted it. Anyways, both of you seem to not even be responding to what Tony even says, just quoting vague antidotes. You can say Marty has lied, but he is giving people something to go off of. You aren’t even backing what you say. I can call anyone a “liar” or scoff at what they say. I’ll say what I know is that anti Scientology has a habit of repeating without backing. Marty has said stuff along those lines, and I agree. Tony hasn’t even mentioned what he said about him as far as I know, and only Mike has. About the videos anyways. Yea, I don’t know what you’re talking about, as I’ve fairly recently found Marty’s writing. Did he say it often? Not seeing how this connects either way. What does that have to do with anything? Where is your “documentation that he lied. Marty is easyer to understand, and it matches more of what I see. Tony seems more anecdotal. He’s not backing what he says, or seeming to even be looking into his sources. Very much seems to be giving a fixed narrative. He calls himself a journalist. You seem to be way more ready to take Tony at face value. Marty as far as I can tell is giving his experience. One that seems easyer to observe. As in at a glance I see where he’s coming from. He’s also given some facts, as well. Tony is giving antidotes that aren’t his a lot of the time.

            • Bob Crouch

              OK, no problem. Threads can get confusing in terms of who said what…

              I am NOT “quoting vague antidotes.” My point #1 is a direct quote of Marty’s blog. Again, he NEVER substantiated his claim.

              Point #2 is a direct reference to the Marty videos. You’ve gone through them. Where was the documentation? ANY documentation?

              To the contrary of your reply, I did NOT call Marty a liar. However, if pressed on the point I would have no choice but to remark that he lacks credibility on many substantial points. This is based on the facts that:

              1. Many of his points contradict the record
              2. He has been unable to find corroboration. Not one of his associates, present or former, has lent any

              But the killer would be #3: If you were to read Marty’s own blog, he contradicts himself on NUMEROUS points. So either he was untruthful then or he is untruthful now.

              And since you brought it up: I did NOT comment on Tony’s credibility approvingly either. However, if one were to apply these three criteria to his reporting, he would emerge with far greater credibility than Marty can hope for.

              You say that Tony is “anecdotal” despite the fact that he frequently provides reams of evidence (for example, he has done so in his recent Marty discussions).

              You continue: “Marty as far as I can tell is giving his experience.” As has been frequently noted, he provides NO documentation whatsoever. Since your brought up the term: Wouldn’t his offering be best described as “anecdotal?”

              The only problem is that he is NOT just telling anecdotes. He is trashing a lot of people WITHOUT providing evidence that they deserve trashing. He trades on the confidences of his former friends. And lastly, he recites the cult’s talking points. If you don’t believe me, check out the cult’s hate sites against those people. You’ll see where he gets his materials from. Hence my claim that it’s easy to see who’s pulling Marty’s strings.

            • Mooser42001

              “Tony is giving antidotes that aren’t his a lot of the time.”

              No doubt your comment will make Tony cry “Uncle”. Anyway, my antidotes on me. She took me into her leather-shop, and said “Nephew, someday this awl will be yours.”

            • Kayla Corcoran

              WTF, are you on about? Can you disagree with what I said? I think Tony is super self righteous, and couldn’t give a fuck what I say. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t get to respond, to this public blog.

  • ComeToPresentTime

    Marty got Minton’d. Davey got his kompromat. Everything that comes out of Marty’s mouth now is a lie and that’s about all there is to say about him.

  • jayla72401

    Just my wog conspiratorial mind at work here…Obviously Marty has a massive control complex. He’s tried to exert control over Ron Miscavige’s work product, Louis Theroux’s work product, and to tear apart Larry Wright’s work product after the fact. For years in CoS he was near the top of the heap and had a great deal of control over other people. Not surprising he’s still in that mode.
    Then, remember, he was independently auditing for a time. I can’t help but wonder if Marty thought he would lead a movement outside the Church that, for all practical purposes, would grow into a new iteration of CoS, in which he would be the kinder, gentler Miscavige, and all of the CoS defectors would join his new “church” where, finally, he was top dog, and it was all his way.
    Of course we know that this wasn’t in the cards-Once most of these people escaped the cult, they wanted no part of getting back into a cult, an organized religion, any group-think project of any sort or any action that reminded them of the trauma they’re healing from.
    That’s not to say Marty didn’t have an appreciative (if not adulating) following at his blog and it looked promising that at last would truly have it his way. But the works of Wright, Miscavige, Theroux and now Remini are clearly an obstacle to anyone that would conceive of organizing an offshoot. So now, seems to me, he’d like to do some damage control or maybe just damage, to these people that have dashed his conception-and he’s pissed.

  • existential_hobo

    Its a bit of an aside, but i’ve recently noticed that excerpts from Marty Rathbun’s latest video series have been showing up as ads on youtube.

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    Marty’s becoming the Donald Trump of alt-scientology.