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Clearwater bar owner under surveillance has a surprise for Scientology: He’s expanding

[Clay Irwin and friend]

We have some follow-up information for you in the case of Clay Irwin and the camera he found facing his house in Clearwater, Florida.

On Saturday, we told you that Irwin, owner of the Lucky Anchor Irish Pub on Cleveland Street, had sent us some photos of a time-lapse Brinno camera he found on the property next door.

Irwin opened his pub at the beginning of the year, and at the time he expressed an eagerness to get along with the Church of Scientology, whose “Flag Land Base” surrounds his bar. But since then, he’s had some run-ins with the church, which began in February after he made an impromptu visit to the unfinished penthouse being prepared for Scientology celebrity Tom Cruise just down the street.

Irwin was subsequently not invited to a presentation made by church leader David Miscavige for Cleveland Street business owners, and he says that he’s been feeling that he was being watched since then.

On Friday, his Miniature Pinscher, Bruno, was barking at something on the neighbor’s property, and Clay went to take a closer look.

 

[Bruno]

 
That’s when Clay spotted something next to what looks like a round water-meter box. As you can see, the camera, with some duct tape on its all-weather plastic housing, tended to blend in with the metal behind it.

 

 
Clay tells us that the camera was aimed at his driveway, and we told him that it suggested that someone was recording license plate numbers of visitors to his house, which we’ve seen in previous Scientology spying operations.

Yesterday, he managed to catch his neighbor and asked her about the camera. He says that the woman, a Scientologist, told him that she didn’t know anything about it.

Clay tells us that his attorney will be contacting the church to ask why it might be recording Irwin’s property. We sent a request for a statement to church spokeswoman Karin Pouw, and we’ll let you know if we hear anything back from her.

Clay removed a memory card from the camera and has been attempting to find out what it had recorded. He’s been unable to open its files, but he wanted us to see how enormous they are. The first two are dated the middle of February, right around the time Clay made his visit to Cruise’s condo.

 

 
While we were messaging Clay about what he’d found in the camera, he sent us additional news as well.

Taking advantage of a new city initiative which is handing out grants to encourage new business, Irwin is opening a second bar, with pool hall and 2-lane bowling alley, across the street from the Lucky Anchor.

 

[The Lucky Anchor on Cleveland Street…]

[…and the property across the street where Irwin’s pool and bowling hall is going.]

 
And, he tells us, he’s being more wary of his surroundings.

“I’m taking my dog out on another camera hunt,” he told us, with a laugh.

 
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HowdyCon 2017

 

 
HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25 at the Residence Inn Denver City Center. Go here for details.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,786 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,543 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,889 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,383 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,423 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,135 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 661 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,750 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,890 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,210 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,185 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 541 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,843 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 950 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,352 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,225 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 806 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,311 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,555 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,664 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 19, 2017 at 07:00

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  • OT: Watching Scientology’s government lobby stuff, I’ve wondered how some completely unqualified idiots end up on some Congress committees. (As bad as flat-earthers on science and technology ones, and I wish I was joking.)

    http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/full-measure-quitting-congress

    Chaffetz: “Look, as a position, as a chairman of a, of a committee, plus what I have to do with my own campaign, I have to raise about $1 million a year, maximum individual contribution is $2,700.”

    Committee positions are handed out by the parties. If someone doesn’t raise big money for the party each year, they’ll give it to someone who can.

    The more you know…

    • disco george

      Oh holy mother of xenu, don’t get me started on Chaffetz… I was “redistricted” *cough* into his district a few years ago and he is the actual worst. You can never get through to either of his offices — Washington or local — and then he acted all Rathbun-level butthurt when the lucky few who the fire marshal actually let into the town hall meeting in February were upset with him. Completely clueless.

      • He recently quit, so you can worry about the next person now.

  • Harpoona Frittata

    I just finished watching episode 20 in Mutty’s video series in which he does his best to revise $cn history by asserting that Elron never claimed to have cured himself from disabling war injuries using the techniques which would later serve as the basis of Dianetics, calling assertions that he had made those claims a “strawman” argument and stating “that representation does not exist”.

    In reality, the founder himself is on record, in his 1965 essay My Philosophy (see here http://www.lronhubbard.org/articles-and-essays/my-philosophy.html ), as making the direct and unequivocal claim that, at the war’s end, he was blind and “permanently disabled physically” as a result of his combat injuries, which he then miraculously cured himself of, “…using only what I knew and could determine about Man and his relationship to the universe.”

    Mutty appears to be doing his absolute best to destroy his own credibility by making knowingly false statements which can be easily and directly refuted – often with Mutty’s own past words or, as in this case, with the founder’s exact words on the subject. Or, should I say, Mutty is being puppet mastered to make it appear as if he’s voluntarily destroying his own credibility and the reliability of his sworn testimony? Given how exceptionally easy it’s been for everyone here to directly refute PT Mutty with his own past words and sworn testimony, my bet is that it’s the latter.

    Ironically, it was cult’s own spokesperson, Tommy Davis, who provided us with the criteria by which to judge the credibility of $cn by stating in an interview with a journalist that, if Elron’s claim of having miraculously cured himself of permanently disabling war injuries was false, then all of $cn was built on a lie and is, therefore, invalid.

    • Techie

      Harpoona, props and kudos to you for diving into the cesspit to report on the latest from MartyWorld. Taking a hit for the team, much appreciated. Just be sure to read some Kierkegaard or Jon Atack afterward to clear out the cobwebs. The Jon Atack interview with Jeffrey Augustine is recommended. Especially the part where Hubbard’s blathering is explained by neurological analysis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV72HkqtTxQ

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Thanks, Techie! I listened to that excellent Surviving $cn interview with Jon when it was first posted and, as always, was incredibly impressed with both Jon and Jeffrey’s comprehensive grasp of $cn and their ability to clearly communicate their deep understanding of the cult’s true historical origins and the sources from which Elron stole many of the most central beliefs and doctrines of $cn.

        In this interview, Jon describes $cn as “the most effective form of mind control ever created,” or words to that effect. I tend to agree with him there and can only imagine what a truly horrific scenario would ensue if $cn ever managed to gain control of an entire nation state and its psycho-terrorism methods of mind control under conditions of forced labor and false imprisonment were to be adopted as the state-mandated standard practice.

      • iampissed

        I thought that was what the vinegar was for.

    • Robert Eckert

      He might have some kind of “exact words” game going on here, where the statement he calls a straw man does not 100% match.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Could be, for sure. It’s true that Elron made multiple references to helping other servicemen deal with their mental/emotional problems during the war and cited those experiences as being the formative basis for what would ultimately become codified as Dianetics.

        However, when it comes to the mythology surrounding his own personal experiences in the war and the physical injuries that he claimed to have suffered in it, he was very clear in describing them in his 1965 essay, My Philosophy. But the objective facts of the matter reveal him to be, not just a bald-faced liar, but a “valor thief” as well.

        It’s just not possible to not-is Elron’s most direct comments on the matter, as if he’d never weighed in on it to begin with. It’s just so incredibly easy to refute Mutty assertions with the founder’s own words that you almost have to believe that, either Mutty is suffering from cult-induced dementia or he’s been puppet mastered into dead agenting himself.

  • LeahRocks

    I live in Lakeland, which is about 45 to an hour from Clay’s establishment. Time for a road trip!!!

  • JJ

    Why don’t they even try to disguise them? I mean if you know the subject has a dog make the camera look like a pile o turds or a ripped up toy or something. Zero points for not even tryin.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Clearwater bar owner gets spied on by Scientology cult!”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31beee807ed534f37b659efc7cbffd29d9364d95e193d211ba23c3df7157ba73.gif

  • Observer
    • Rasha

      Love the behind the scenes look! Also that the little girl seems to have been rolling her eyes at the attempt.

      I have Torgo’s Theme in my head now…..

      (Mike Nelson did a great Torgo)

      • Observer

        omg, the host segment where Torgo delivered the pizza and forgot the drinks so went to get them…and then four or five episodes later returned with them? I was crying!

        • Rasha

          ^_^’ Brilliant stuff. Just glad that he’s working with two reconstructed knees now…

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Thanks for that, Obs. I love the Manos “experiment”. When I went to the US in 2009 I got to meet Bernie Rosenblum, who is the teenager in the car, and he was the cameraman. I never got to go to the ranch where the movie was filmed though.

      • Observer

        Pics!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          The thing is that I was in El Paso, and I went to the tourist office to ask the location of where the movie was shot. The woman there didn’t have a clue as to where the ranch was, but she knew where Bernie had his photo studio. So she took me down to meet him, just a short walk from her office. I was not ecpecting this at all, so I hadn’t brought my camera with me (nor my phone), so all I have is this story. I asked Bernie about the location of the ranch as well, but he said the owner was not too happy about people going there, so I never got the chance to visit my “Graceland”. I did stop by Graceland in Memphis though.

  • Mick Roberts
  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Wait! Don Dewsnap is Clay’s neighbor- and a scientologist – and director of accounting at Clearwater Marine Aquarium according to his Facebook page?!!! Seriously, can someone please alert CMA? although I’m sure he has already turned the books over to OSA as suggested below.

  • LeakLurkLol

    Wonder how many Scientologists will be opening restaurants now.

    “Incentive program launched to lure new businesses. The goal is to revitalize downtown Clearwater” “City is looking for 5 to 7 restaurants”

    Last week, Clearwater’s Community Redevelopment Agency announced an Anchor Tenant Incentive Program. It’s offering up to $250,000 to anchor businesses relocating to downtown Clearwater. The money can cover rent, start-up costs, renovations, and equipment.”

    “For those restaurants that are chosen and receive the loan-to-grant funding, if they stay in businesses in
    downtown Clearwater for five years, the loan will not need to be repaid.”

    http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2017/6/18/incentive_program_ai.html

    • Rasha

      So, after Scientology moved in, taking over Clearwater, Florida, to start clearing and salvaging the planet, the goal now is to open 5 – 7 restaurants to revitalize the city. Okay. Great work, Scientology. Good progress.

    • JJ

      Why does this freak me out? I don’t think they can open a restaurant, One, the theme is totally unpalatable, two, it involves putting money in, three, a lot of sea org members have been on rations so long they have no idea what good food is supposed to taste like and four, if the finalized menu has to go by DM it will NEVER get done.
      Let’s see that is a 1.7 the: Backporch to Infinity Pork Platter, a Sherman Word Salad and a Coke. You want a side of MEST with that? That’ll be $749.31, pay first. Napkins extra.

      • LeakLurkLol

        I stand corrected. Although waving free money in front of scientologists is like waving bacon in front of the hounds, not that many Tampa Bay restaurateurs who would qualify:

        “We’re looking for some local, homegrownTampa Bay businesses that have a track record of success and have built up a loyal customer base,” said CRA director Seth Taylor.

        The idea is that these new must-try restaurants and breweries will attract more people, which will open the door for other smaller shops and businesses.”

        • JJ

          They’re looking for an anchor for the area and the CoS pamphlet store won’t cut it? Strip clubs and coffee joints? Places people have to go? a DMV maybe?

  • Newiga

    This just in: Someone just spotted Karin Pouw accidentally opening an Inbox subfolder labeled Email from Ortega. F5

    http://blog.jobsgopublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/email-overload.jpg

    • Rasha

      Bwahahaha!!!!!

  • PeaceMaker

    So I’m on the horns of a dilemma. I believe that HWSNBN has gotten way too much attention – and that actually feeds into whatever the agenda behind the videos is. I’ve posted a fair bit on them myself, somewhat paradoxically, in hopes of making the point that they’re probably just a sad attention-getting gambit but, regardless, too much dissection of them is pointless – and even counter-productive.

    But on the other hand, the videos are newsworthy in some limited way. I watch them because they’re of interest to me, to see a certain mindset at work. Should I continue to post them if I have a chance to be the first to do so, or are we at the point of being ready to start to just ignore them? Not posting them individually, also doesn’t preclude referring to or summarizing them occasionally when appropriate, or noting when something significant happens such as a major change in their release.

    As was noted earlier, a couple of the recent videos on the blog have actually had commenting turned back on, with a couple of posts from followers and admirers let through. To me that’s a likely sign of tinkering to get attention – perhaps because viewership has been continuing to drop off.

    Response not required.

    • Supper Powers

      Phew. Cause if you started requiring responses I’d think you really are full of yourself.

    • Look at today’s comments. The Marty fad has died down and, if turning on the comments was a plea for attention, it hasn’t worked, because everyone has jumped on the new story. Bruno is now far more popular.

      Marty has not distracted from the discussion of substantive issues either. There have just been more comments than usual, and those who are sick of him can just collapse the appropriate threads.

      The video drip-feed has stopped working, and people are now wandering away yawning. No harm has been done.

      • JJ

        Just words on a screen, I mean, people don’t have to join in if they don’t want to…right? i don’t know, this one sometimes falls under others trying to dictate a conversation and there is usually something behind that…

        • Or they don’t like Marty (understandable for many exes) or they’re just bored rigid.

          I think that, at this point every possibility has been examined, and it will all die down until he does something different or new information emerges.

          20 short videos is it now – there are just so many times people will watch the one-trick pony do his trick.

      • flyonthewall

        The Marty fad has died down? Great. Just great. I sunk all the money I had into Marty mugs, t-shirts, coasters and lapel pins. What am I going to do with them now?

        • JJ

          Save em, it is a given he will resurface. Isn’t the fame thing addictive and once you have had a taste you can’t let it go?

          • flyonthewall

            I can’t save them, I have a garage full of this shit, it needs to move. I’m just going to slap Bruno’s face on all of it and hope for the best

            • FredEX2

              Fly, I would buy a Bruno mug, t-shirt and everything ‘Bruno’. What a smart and adorable little guy!

            • flyonthewall

              this is what I’m talking about. Ok, I have work to do. Now, where did I put my Elmer’s glue….

        • Jimmy3

          I bought a bunch of Marty toilet seat covers with his face on em, and they say
          “NEVER CRAPPENED”

          • flyonthewall

            I know, you were my best customer. By best I mean only. You want some Marty fidget spinners? 2 for $10 or just wait a week and I’ll pay you to take them away. Act now, this is a limited time opportunity

            • Jimmy3

              Are those the ones that don’t actually spin, you just have to get drunk and use your imagination? I’ll take a dozen

            • JJ

              Maybe throw em at the wall like throwing stars? they might stick…

            • Jimmy3

              Throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks. Classic Marty spinning.

            • JJ

              zacktly

            • Rasha

              Can I get them sharpened? I ask for a friend.

        • Mick Roberts

          Well fly, as far as the T-shirts, you can actually be a decent person for a change and donate them to your local Scientology Ideal Org staff. They’re running low on toilet paper, and they need something to wipe their asses with. Have a heart and stop just thinking about yourself for a change!

          • Thanks for the laugh ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Rasha

          Do you still have the Marty-shaped cookie cutters? I need those and the lug nuts.

        • How did Ron come back back from the failure of dianetics, and what does this have to teach you?
          (that’s not rhetorical – I actually have no idea – but it sounds good).

          Do you have any dartboards?

      • sizzle8

        With video lengths so short, 2 – 5 minutes, and the content so meaningless, I think part of this effort is to distract.
        I wonder if something else is going on behind the scenes that they don’t want looked at.

        • If there is, it hasn’t worked – everyone’s still looking.

    • TexasBroad

      There aren’t a lot of rules around here. Post or don’t post. If you dont, someone else likely will, and then everyone else can decide whether to comment or ignore.
      You can’t herd cats. We are all over the place in here.

      • JJ

        Me OW!

        I’ll be one of them cow cats. The calicoes that look like a Holstein with brown patches…

    • Harpoona Frittata

      You’re in the very fortunate position of NOT being in $cientology, where your own personal choice in the matter would just never be an option to begin with.. Here in our “cult” you’re completely free to not only think as you like, but to post your thoughts without fear of penalty or sanction, regardless of which position you’re arguing for.

      Indeed, one of key defining characteristics of a mind control cult is that you are not allowed to openly state your honest opinions. But $cn takes that coercive thought reform function one giant step further by policing $cilons’ private thoughts and punishing them for those that are deemed harmful or suppressive.

      • PeaceMaker

        Harpoona, there’s a certain social and organizational pressure towards conformity here – but that’s typical of the current state of online culture in general. It might be theoretically correct to identify it and cite instances of it here, but it’s also a false equivalence to treat it as comparable to real-world life in a controlling environment or organization.

        I do self-censor and shape what I post, based in part on the reception I got when I first came here and expressed my thoughts and perspectives a bit more freely. But again, I wouldn’t compare that to being in Scientology.

        • grundoon

          1. Post something
          2. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of people read it
          3. One or two of them have something to say about it
          4. AAAAAAA! The Ortega cult is pressuring me towards conformity! AAAAAAA!

          • PeaceMaker

            Grundoon, I assume you are making a reductionist argument, pointing out that it’s not the end of the world – when you know that it can be a bit more substantive, not just a couple of people, can include being blocked by users who are an important part of the conversation, and can go as far as to be challenged and demeaned by The Proprietor (as I have, several times – and who, I’ve heard rumored, does sometimes ban people). No, it’s not cyberbullying – I assume you acknowledge that does exist, and while at the other end of the spectrum, it shows that online social pressure does exist and is impactful.

            But if you really think I’m wrong, go ahead and write up something controversial like a theory defending Rathbun, post it, and let’s see if more than one or two people have something to say about it, and just how much tolerance your expressed point of view is afforded.

            • grundoon

              not just a couple of people

              Suppose 15 people respond to your post, out of the entire Internet. Maybe 2 of them read what you wrote, then there will be 3 ah-hahs from sharp-eyed troll spotters, 4 me-toos from their friends, 3 jokes from jokers who joke on every post, 2 curmudgeons who hit the bottle early that day, and 1 adorable but unrelated animal pic with 25 follow-ups. Meanwhile dozens or hundreds of people may have read your post and learned from it or agreed with it. Don’t give undue importance to what is really a very few people in a much larger audience.

              On the other hand, sometimes you’ll get feedback from genuine experts and first-hand participants, from savvy observers, and from the unknowlegeable but well-intentioned. As someone said, this place is a mixed bag.

              being blocked by users who are an important part of the conversation

              If it’s important to you that a certain person will pay attention to what you have to say… Do you know this person IRL? An Internet message board may not be the best way to get an important notification through to someone who must receive it.

              Just as you are free to post, readers are free to read or not, as they choose.

              challenged and demeaned by The Proprietor (as I have, several times)

              Not sure what you mean by demeaned, but Tony has set me straight a few times, with all the delicacy of an Editor-in-Chief blue-penciling a junior reporter. And on occasion I’ve given him the truth as I see it. No hard feelings and no harm done, afaik. He’s an ace journalist, not so much a diplomat.

              who, I’ve heard rumored, does sometimes ban people

              A very few have been banned, for despicable personal attacks on others or for incessant pestiferousness. Not for holding unpopular opinions. Posts like yours – engaging in thoughtful discussion of Scientology – are the best (IMO).

              go ahead and write up something controversial

              I speak my mind and sometimes I take flak for it.

              If you participate in a blog that allows just about anyone on the Internet to speak freely, you have to prepare yourself for the range of possible responses. If there is someone here whose comments annoy you or waste your time, you can block them and you won’t see their posts. If you want nothing but positive, on-topic responses, you could start your own blog where you could moderate the comments and ban naysayers.

  • nottrue
  • Mockingbird

    In light of Clay Irwin’s canine ecclesiastical espionage unit Bruno successfully running a counter-espionage campaign against Scientology they have a statement: once again for the thousandth time Scientology DOESN’T FAIR GAME anyone ever ! Under any circumstances ! And we once again have to fair game anyone that says otherwise. After thousands of fair game campaigns you think people would learn.

  • Noesis
    • JJ

      havingness vrs having too much?

  • Mockingbird

    It would be cheaper and less expensive in bad PR for Miscavige to just give Clay Irwin a gag settlement for a couple million dollars to leave town, never return and never mention Scientology again. The cost in surveillance and possible eventually in court for attorneys if Clay sues is higher.

  • Super stoked for Denver in a couple of days! I’ll be getting a rental car (my wallet is cringing, but there’s so much to see and do there). So if anyone without transportation wants to do some things together, let me know so we can link up.

    I have been exploring travel guides on Trip Advisor. That’s something I always do before I go to a new place. They have an awesome collection of stuff to do. My favorite are the “______ in Three Days” travel guides. I like long meals and naps. So even if I have 5 days, I still like the 3 day guides. I’m focusing on the relatively inexpensive or free things to do. Except for the museum/planetarium/IMAX. That is something I definitely want to do that won’t be cheap.

    Denver in Three Days – Though I don’t even follow these guides to the letter. I will skip things here and there, maybe because I’m not interested or I woke up late. I find that they are great to sort of wrap my head around what I should be focusing on during my time wherever I’m going.
    Denver-for-Free: a fun-filled day of free things to do around Denver
    Summer weekend in and about Denver – Top Ten Free Attractions – This title is misleading. Not all of the things on the list are actually free.
    Restaurants in Denver – Cheap Eats

    • joan nieman

      You will have a wonderful time no matter what there is or isn’t to do. Enjoy yourself Derek, you certainly deserve it. I look forward to pics in the Bunker for those of us left at home.

      • salin

        at least there will be some live streaming for those of us left at home!

      • I will take lots and share them all!

    • iampissed

      Farmers Market Sat?

      • That sounds like fun!

        • iampissed

          I’ll be there Thursday. We can talk.

    • Kestrel

      Thank you for the links, Derek. I’m also renting a car and will be happy to provide transportation for those who want to do some things together.

      • Awesome! We can make it a convoy. Do you have any interest in outdoorsy activities? I want to check out one of the parks and/or lakes out there.

        • Kestrel

          That sounds good. For the outdoors the Rocky Mountain Arsenal and/or Red Rocks would be good places to check out.

    • Puget Buckeye

      You sound like my kind of traveler! I wish I was going to Denver. I hope you have a fun time.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Hey D – I’ve had a bunch of “fun” financial stuff hit the last 2 weeks and didn’t want to risk a flight cancelation cuz of the heatwave so I’m carpooling in with MK. So I’ll have my SUV (Acura – has a 3rd row) and I’m happy to help drive people around to stuff to see while I’m there since it’s one of the few things I can offer. If that helps save you from renting a car as much – seriously – I’m happy to! If I put up the 3rd row, I can fit 6 besides me!

  • Mockingbird

    I had to give up on watching Marty Rathbun’s escapades. I found I lose about ten points of IQ from each one. I didn’t have any IQ to spare before I started watching them and now that I have seen about thirteen of those rueful things my remaining IQ is….duh….

    • MarcabExpat

      I looked at his “videos” listing page and rejoiced to note that viewership is dropping with each new installment

      • Mockingbird

        Good. Let him rue the day he started this debacle.

    • Jeb Burton

      Just let Tony watch them. Then read the lies in one paragraph.

      • When Marty’s blog was the go-to-place for indies (long time ago) there used to be someone over on WWP who regularly posted about it.

        His sig line: “Reading Marty’s blog so you don’t have to.”

        or something like that.

    • Chee Chalker

      The things he is focusing on…..Paul Haggis is jumping on the wave of pro-LGBT sentiment in order to look good in his children’s eyes and the public (even though Marty admits Paul had lodged his protest with Tommy Davis re: the Prop 8 issue prior to saying anything to Marty) and (today’s segment) the Co$ had to play ‘hardball’ with the IRS, etc.

      Funny he has not mentioned anything about HIS (Marty’s allegations) about Miscavige’s sanity and violence.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Gee, with the comments turned off on his blog and no way to contact him while he’s on his vacation in Bulgravia, it’s just such a pity that we can’t ask him for clarification on exactly what he meant when he described the “hardball” tactics that were successful in finally getting the IRS to come to the negotiating table. I’m sure his comments on that topic would be quite edifying ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Rasha

      The best thing about Marty’s videos is that you don’t have to watch them. I really like that. The second best thing is that while you’re not watching them, you can have a drink, or a chicken wing, maybe learn to yodel, things that are way more important.

      • grundoon

        So we have Marty to cursethank for your yodeling?

        • Rasha

          We’ll see what he says tomorrow…. -_^

      • Mockingbird

        All of those ideas sound much better than anything involving Marty Rathbun.

  • nottrue

    I don’t know about calling it a Reality Show..But Awards bring attention.. … https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a512cebfad67c0c40ae6ca3170b6008ca53799e919b651581930cd0fcc8c1b0c.jpg

    • ze moo

      Shark Tank and Survivor suck, I never saw the Circus and sorry, The Baking Show is not that good either. So I forecast the winner.>>> hand me the envelope please >>>> ‘Aftermath’ wins!!!!

      • Rasha

        Rasha Approved ยฎ

    • Jimmy3

      ne1 else here votin 4 shark tank?
      cuz i wont if no 1 else

    • Mick Roberts

      Just saw this online myself. Thanks for posting!

    • PattyCakenfeld

      That’s awesome! My guess is that The Keepers will win, but the nomination is a great acknowledgement from critics, some of whom weren’t all that enthusiastic when the series started.

  • Jeb Burton

    I hate that Clay’s privacy has been invaded, but this story is so much fun to follow. A new Bunker superstar, Bruno, and the pettiness of the cult exposed for perceived slights. Then we hear Clay joking about it and seems to laugh in their faces. Plus he’s expanding his business!

    • Rasha

      Clay and Bruno are the new Dynamic Duo – and they’re simply doing what they do every day. How cool is that?

  • At midnight last night (UK time) I completed a website about a local Scientology front group exploiting “Applied Scholastics” to call themselves ‘private tutors’ and teach kids ‘study tech’ for ยฃ25 an hour. https://plymouthprivatetutorsinfo.wordpress.com/

    I thought it would be good if I could raise the Google profile so that it appeared on the same page as the tutor’s own website, so I told two people about it and went to bed. At midday (UK time) today’s Bunker post came in, and I mentioned it here. It’s now 19:00, and the site has seen 300 views from 118 people, 4 likes, two comments, and I’ve had a number of supportive emails.

    Visitors have been referred from Disqus, Twitter, Facebook and a number of closed discussion groups. Search engines are starting to pick it up.

    A site about a small UK Scientology front group has been visited by people from: the United States, United Kingdom, United Arab Emirates, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand,. Australia, Switzerland, Brazil, The Netherlands, Italy, Denmark, Russia, Sweden, South Africa and Finland – so far.

    Thanks very much, everybody.

    If anyone feels so inclined, I would be grateful if they would visit now and again, mention it on social media and keep it up the Google rankings, where it can reveal the truth about the group whose earnings probably pay the rent on Scientology’s Plymouth org.

    What have I done ๐Ÿ™‚

    • PeaceMaker

      It looks to me like you’ve done a nice job, and set a good example for what can be done.

      It doesn’t look like it is indexed in google yet, but when it is let us know and perhaps tell us what search terms to try.

      • Thank you.

        It seems that it would be quite possible to target other front groups in this way – preferably the ones that can’t change their identity overnight.

        They would have to co-exist with a site which raises questions in the minds of customers that they don’t dare address.

    • You are awesome.

      • I’m a legend in my own lunchtime.

    • Supper Powers

      Nicely done.

    • MarcabExpat

      Wow, it looks great! I bet you’ll snag a few parents who might otherwise have fallen prey.

      • Hope so. I can’t imagine the frustration the poor kids go through ‘word clearing’ or during that ‘gradient’ nonsense when, if you can’t understand multiplication, it must be that you moved on too soon, and need more practice in addition.

        It can’t be that you just need some help to get your head around something new tat you find difficult because Hubbard said so.

        That’s enough not just to put your education back, but to put you off it for life. Learning is supposed to be interesting,

    • TexasBroad

      It looks great. Added to my Quick Links.

      • Thank you. It won’t change much or very often after I’ve played with it a little more. Its function is to be a monkey on the back of the local ‘Applied Scholastics’ front groups website.

    • Graham

      Is there any way of ‘pinning’ this, or perhaps ask Tony to add it to his post tomorrow?

      • It just needs a some people to drop in now and again, in future – maybe tweet and comment on facebook – to keep the Google rating as high as the small tutor’s website.

    • disco george

      I thought we weren’t supposed to talk about the owner of said website though!

      • I didn’t say it was the same one ๐Ÿ™‚

    • AntoniaW

      What you have done is a great service. Just done my bit locally (Cornwall) by posting your link & sharing on my FB page, as follows:-

      “OOh. As some of you will know we have a mild infestation of Scientologists down here in the Tropical Paradise of North Cornwall, and a fellow Scilon-watcher is sending word out that there’s a small and hideous group of them masquerading as a private tutorial agency in Plymouth. Caveat emptor – in fact, for heaven’s sake don’t do any empting:

      Plymouth Private Tutors and Scientology”
      PLYMOUTHPRIVATETUTORSINFO.WORDPRESS.COM

      • Thank you. I’m astonished at how this has been taken up and spread about. I’ve just got out of bed, and I don’t dare look at how many hits there are now…

    • Juicer77

      Great work!

  • flyonthewall

    What if at Howdycon, while Tony went for a hike in the mountains in order to get some time to think about the next day’s post the bunkeroos who were back at the hotel made a golden statue of Bruno and started worshiping it and getting wasted and being lewd etc and then Tony came back and saw their debauchery and he got really mad and threw his laptop down on the ground and broke it cuz he was so mad at the sinful bunkeroos

    • Puget Buckeye

      Are you basing this scenario on any sort of past experience?

      • flyonthewall

        no I just made it up now. I do that sometimes, just think of stuff and then I type it on the computer with my keyboard

        • Robert Eckert

          do you need to prime the pump first?

          • flyonthewall

            you shut your filthy mouth

            • Rasha

              …I was just about to let loose with a barrage of pirat– oh never mind. I’ll just be good. Fine.

            • flyonthewall

              You’re ok to curse, just not Robert.

          • daisy

            Good to see the Donald*s phrase getting some usage.

        • Rasha

          …we’re supposed to think first? Ack. Okay, this changes things……

        • Kestrel

          It might help if you prepared the ground first.

          • flyonthewall

            i till the soil with tom foolery and then I sprinkle it with hi-jinx. Is this not sufficient?

            • stanrogers

              No. You also need to irrigate with Brawndo. It has what humour craves.

            • flyonthewall

              pro tip!

    • Mick Roberts

      For all you “sinners” out there who may not fully understand fly’s brilliant comment here, read the Book of Exodus in the Bible. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • gtsix

        Is there anyone anywhere who didn’t get that reference?

        • Robert Eckert

          The OSA probably didn’t

        • Rasha

          This was a reference to the Hyksos, right? Am I misreading?

          • gtsix

            Gilgamesh, I believe. Not sure.

        • Mick Roberts

          I wasn’t sure. I’ve only been around for half a year now, but that’s plenty of time to realize that the Bunker sure as hell is a sinful lot!

          • gtsix

            I leave sinning to the sinners.

            Sometimes, atheism has its advantages ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • LOL! Hey, speak for yourself ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Puget Buckeye

            Oh, that explains why I like it here so much!

      • MarcabExpat

        Or it’s faster and fun-ner to just watch Charleton Heston chew up all the scenery ๐Ÿ™‚

      • PeaceMaker

        You can say Heathens. Just the other day, I actually told a Christian minister at an interfaith ministry meeting, that it was okay to call some of us that – though it was a bit of an inside joke. The minister, by the way, is one who I suspect no longer really personally subscribes to much if any Christian theology or dogma.

        Sinners might know the reference, just not be “in good standing.” (Where does that phrase come from?)

        • Mick Roberts

          Well, I just word-cleared both “heathen” and “sinner”. And I must say, I think the word “sinner” more accurately describes many of my fellow Bunker mates based on some of the stuff I’ve witnessed in my time here. So…..yeah…..I think I’ll stick with calling them “sinners”. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Rasha

      I am totally considering changing my plans……

    • Jimmy3

      What if instead of sniffing the glue, you actually used it as the kit intended?

      • Rasha

        ….that would explain the RAF decals all over the damn place…..

      • Robert Eckert

        wrong week for that

      • flyonthewall

        what if you do you and I’ll do your mom BLAHAHA eeeeeeee

        • Jimmy3

          What if I kill you… with kindness?

          • Jimmy3

            but Kindness is a stripper friend I know who’s down for anything
            she’s really nice

    • Jeb Burton

      Wouldn’t surprise me. As grand wizard of the ASC, he does seem to have a Jesus complex.

      • gtsix

        Free Wine!

    • outraged

      and then he cast us into the desert for forty days and forty nights.

      • Rasha

        Can we bring the ball pit?

        • i dyslexia’d that as “ball gag” and didn’t even blink twice about it … until now

          • Rasha

            *checks ‘Desert Survival Backpack’*

            ….it’s okay. We’re good.

            • ASC:

              Always Something Clever
              Anti Stupidity Committee
              After Sex Cuddlers
              Adapt. Survive. Snickersnort. Continue.

              ?

              (edit)

            • Rasha

              Arid Survival Conditions
              Ample Storage Containers
              Apply Sun Coverage
              ……

            • gtsix

              Alcohol Swallowing Committee

            • Rasha

              WINNER!!!

            • stanrogers

              Whoa, whoa, whoa… I’m supposed to be getting sex and cuddling out of this deal?

            • *checks Rolodex*

              sorry, Stan. looks like you only signed up for the Big Pharma $ยฃโ‚ฌ Rewards coverage.

            • stanrogers

              I know, I know… the cheque’s in the mail, right?

            • if you have any further questions about your plan press 0 and a representative will be with you momentarily

              please hold while i transfer you to a representative
              please hold while i transfer you to a representative
              please hold while i transfer you to a representative …

              “RASH-AH, phone’s for you!”

      • stanrogers

        I thought it was onto a mountain for a weekend.

    • salin

      Did the Tablet(s) break – damn should have encoded the asc commandments on engraved stainless steel.

      • Rasha

        I hope he kept up to date with security patches on the tablets.

    • MarcabExpat

      Mark’s gonna Periscope the whole thing right?

    • Graham

      Laptop? Tablet surely?

      • flyonthewall

        that’s a fail. I’ll just erase my accnt now

      • Draco

        ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Tony Ortega

      The only hiking I’m doing at HowdyCon is from the place where someone is serving me drinks to the place where someone is serving me something to eat. And if I can make them both the same place, I will exteriorize, I swear to Xenu.

      • flyonthewall

        *high five*

      • Puget Buckeye

        You’re going to exteriorize? Does that go along with all the debauching and lewdness or is it separate? I just want to be clear.

    • UhLasare

      In Marty’s newest video he makes a reference to Lawrence Wright as “Moses speaking on the Mount” with the ASC all bowing down to him. It was released only a few hours ago! He must have read your post and thought it was clever and put it in his newest video!

      (heehee, just a weird coincidence)

      • flyonthewall

        I told you guys I’m psychic!

  • nottrue

    Marty opened for comments and no Oracle and not even a Cat Daddy video. What’s this world coming to

    • Jeb Burton

      Oracle is probably still typing her comment.

    • He doesn’t bother to approve them.

      I posted over there a link to the big list saying >2,700 exes cannot all be wrong. It didn’t get approved. Now why would that be…? ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Mick Roberts

        A couple of them have been approved I noticed. Smoke-up-the-ass sort of comments.

      • You’re lucky – he could have edited it to read >2,700 exes are wrong made a condescending reply, then ignored you.

        • He is himself on the list though… ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Is using logic against Marty likely to be effective though ๐Ÿ™‚

            • mockingbird

              Uh….logic and Marty Rathbun ? No belong together.

    • Observer

      If the even the Oracle has abandoned Marty…whoa

    • PeaceMaker

      As of this writing, of the 4 most recent videos that are open for comments, one has 5 and another 2, and the remainder none.

      On video 18, Chuck Beatty offers some appreciation to Rathbun for going over the history and providing his perspective, but then suggests there should be debate, and points out that he he’s omitting a lot. I think Chuck did a good job, apparently good enough that Rathbun couldn’t consign it to the trash bin, though it’s still interesting that he did publish it.

      The others, as Mick said, are fairly predictable positive “acks” mostly from well-known loyalists. I suspect that other familiar faces will have comments appearing as this develops.

      Didn’t Rathbun complain about The Bunker (and probably other critical sites) as being a sort of “echo chamber”? But then he’s creating one of his own with his moderating.

  • nottrue
    • Newiga

      “Finally, we are free! Yo guys, I heard the old geezer is in this place called Target 2. Time to get some payback! I’m gonna give him a pink eye!”

    • Supper Powers

      I read that as bowling. That would be awesome, too.

      • Rasha

        Snorked at work……

    • MM

      …which is no wonder considering how sad, run-down, and forsaken that poor building (the Berlin ‘Ideal Org’) looks in reality…

      (F5 for pic taken last summer, at 1:30 PM on a regular workday)

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/647cd34ee89a10bea0b45972cc9ecedcca34e670dbd97a3ca03f204e7370e415.jpg

    • Draco

      Are those Sir Arthur Ignatius Conan Doyle’s fairies?

  • Supper Powers

    Has anyone come up with any Bruno tshirt designs I may have missed? I need a Bruno t-shirt.

  • Vaquera
    • Newiga

      *sends kisses and hugs to Texas*

    • MarcabExpat

      Makes me want to zip over and join you and I don’t even like sunshine ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Observer

      I see you, Sherb, you and your perfect manicure! <3

      • flyonthewall

        is that Sherb? Thought those were Pan’s kids. Unless Sherb stole Pan’s kids, which is a possibility

        • Observer

          And it never occurred to you that the New Englanders may possibly have met up?

          • flyonthewall

            I thought Sherb didn’t go outside bc she is a hermit and eats grubs and raw fish she catches from the river

            eta – I meant go outside during the daytime, obviously

            • Observer

              ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿ˜‚

            • Robert Eckert

              She has a river inside her house? Cool!

            • flyonthewall

              refresh

            • Sherbet

              Can’t I be a hermit and eat bread and cheese instead?

          • John Prince

            Cut the shit! ..Pan-the-Man AND Sherb are both New Englanders like me?

            • Observer

              Yep. And Vaquera’s a transplant.

            • Sherbet

              Mass. born and bred (me).

            • Davka

              Yay for the great Commonwealth ๐Ÿ˜Š

            • John Prince

              Same here! I’m a Billerica Boy, myself.. can’t get alot more Yankee-Doodler than that, can Ya?

            • Sherbet

              Or, as my mom said it, “Bell-o-reeca.”

            • Hahd tellin’ not knowin’.

            • John Prince

              I hate it when I can’t rememba wheya I pahkt my caa. .

        • gtsix

          The term is “borrowed”.

        • Vaquera

          There was one for each of us.

        • Sherbet

          You notice I have the younger one, because I could hang onto him better.

        • ReallyMGM

          Pan’s kids, Fly’s shark kids…all great kids.

      • Newiga

        Sherb??? ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ @txvaquera:disqus, PLEEEEASE hug her for Newi!!!

        • Vaquera

          I did!

          • Newiga

            Thank you so much, sweetie! xxoo I’m over the moon! I hope she gave you a hug back for Newi. <3

            • Vaquera

              And les enfants Abrupta!

            • Newiga

              More hugs to be given on my behalf. :-*

        • Sherbet

          Hug accepted.

          • Newiga

            I wish I could be there, Sherb! I hope you and V will do a lot of hugging for me. (FYI: The Finnish hug is a bit timid and shy for the first new seconds but turns into a warm and loving one right after. (Cute) Blushing is a requirement!) xxoo

            • Sherbet

              You’d be surprised to learn how timid and shy I am in real life, so the hug sounds perfect, Newi.

            • Newiga

              <3

      • daisy

        That is a picture of Sherb ? I thought those were Pan*s boys. She has such a lovely smile. She looks as fun as she is . Oh and I kind of hate her for being able to wear horizontal stripes. I am already on record for hating Texas. Nobody should look that good in a casual tee shirt and green glasses

        • Sherbet

          Well, thank you, daze!

      • daisy

        Are those Pan*s boys ? Is there another bunker gathering I am not invited to ? Never mind , it is down thread.

        • Vaquera

          That’s them.

    • Sherbet

      Nice pictures, Vaquera.

      • Vaquera

        ๐Ÿ™‚ I’m still on the road home. Storms.

        • Sherbet

          You were saying you missed thunderstorms. Now you have ’em.

          • Vaquera

            I can’t tell you anything.

      • Kestrel

        I knew you weren’t old.

        • Sherbet

          What do you call 67?

          • Kestrel

            Within range.

            • Sherbet

              Within the range of old and old as dirt.

          • stillgrace2

            … the new 50.

            • Sherbet

              Mwah, grace! You saved the day.

          • Observer

            The new 30.

            • Sherbet

              Tell that to my creaky knees. The entire Panopea family is fit and healthy. Vaquera is slim as an 18-year-old. It was hard to keep up with them.

            • Observer

              My creaky knees sympathize with yours.

            • Sherbet

              Maybe we can start a band.

  • Science Doc

    Bill Maher made a Scientology joke this weekend, but John Oliver had a famous ex-Scientologist on his show, F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10b3cf32814c9e2b35ebf5d909964dfda176f62712ae68977460ae47f79bbf4c.jpg

    • iampissed

      His name is buster.

      • Science Doc

        The segment is the greatest go ahead and sue me routine in history.

      • Chee Chalker

        That should be the Bunker mascot – a Squirrel called Buster
        Maybe we could have 2 mascots – Buster and Bruno the camera busting Min Pin

    • Rasha

      Link?

    • Rasha
  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/48bd64480ed7e89a55d3afdbb19ee466e35efb5d7e83aeae704122a47a54c27e.png

    โ€œWith Sea Org recruitment at an all time low, we in Scientology have decided to target children,โ€ announced Ken Delusion.

    โ€œWeโ€™re using colorful clown vending machines at toy stores, ice cream parlors, and other places children like.โ€

    โ€œAs a child approaches the colorful vending machine, a trap door opens up and swallows the child.โ€

    โ€œChildren are nothing more than trillion year old thetans in little bodies. Sea Org life will toughen up these freeloading little phonies who want to exploit โ€œgrowing upโ€ into their 20โ€™s!

    • Newiga

      โ€œAs a child approaches the colorful vending machine, a trap door opens up and swallows the child.โ€

      HEEEEEEEEY! That’s the Stephen King method! That’s other practices. That’s so out-tech!! Tsk tsk…

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Since the $ea Org is renown for only accepting “a few good baby thetans,” we’re prompted to wonder what becomes of all the rejects? Fortunately, as always, $cn can help with that!

      Once right-thinking $cilons have overcome their maudlin sentimental attachment to these ancient beings in cute young bodies, it’s just a short step or two to putting them to whatever use that they can serve in the all-important salvage of this poor prison planet before it’s too late. So, who’s going to protest when these tiny, but oh so tender, little $ea Org rejects get re-purposed as kinderwurst to feed those in the $ea Org who’re doing what it takes, every single day, to clear the planet?

      No one, I hope…or you’ll soon be dessert!

      • Noallball

        david miscavige eats any rejects. I thought that was a well known fact. Yuuummm.

    • April

      What about those of us with 6’2″ fourteen year old daughters. I’m pretty sure she won’t fit through that slot.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Will there be DC8, Broncos, obscene Dog and Clam shell editions in the future releases?

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “In this bankrupt age of intellectual corruption people embrace these, these, these reductio ad absurdum simplicity, simple sort of propaganda statements about issues.”

    Agent Garner: chuckling along with Marty so you don’t have to ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Newiga

      “The liberalism of impressionism is almost socialistic in its deviousness.”

      Marty, I’m on to your secret: https://phrasegenerator.com/academic

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        By jove, flower fairy, I think you’ve unmasked Marty’s “method”!

        • Newiga

          IKR!? ๐Ÿ˜› Rathbun, the jig is up! To celebrate, I give you a bonus: The bureaucracy of codependency is quite dualistic in its agnosticism.

      • Rasha

        When you crystallize the inherent intent of the ineffable, the restorage of those that have impactful meaninlessness is …. polystyrene.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I am suffocating in my own glee!

          “The ecology of hubris is in reality quite prosaic in its hypocrisy while the psychology of pride is really quite unorthodox in its bureaucracy.”

          With grateful thanks to The Marty Method, I am now a pretentious academic ๐Ÿ˜€

          • Rasha

            ….there goes my HubLibs dynasty……

          • John McGhee

            Hur hur ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hur hur ๐Ÿ˜›

          • gtsix

            Oh the politics section has me laughing:

            I want an America where racists and backroom dealmakers cannot corrupt our delicious apple pies.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I didn’t notice the subsections. Glee upon glee! From the random wine reviews ๐Ÿ˜€

              “Dubois Bros Winery coalesces crude acetone essences and a sugary macademia nut finish in their 1992 Pinot Noir.”

            • gtsix

              Ha, Headlines:

              Christopher Walken’s 5 Mind-Blowing Crochet Secrets

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              “15 Frightening Facts That Will Make Your Plumber Feel More Attractive”

              Snort!

            • Newiga

              LMAO!! So that’s where my parfume went. The bloody plumber nicked it!

            • Newiga

              You discovered where POTUS finds his tweets. ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Newiga

              I will work for an America where media moguls and overpaid CEOs cannot destroy our iPhones.

            • gtsix

              I want an America where internet pornographers and Fox News cronies can’t sabotage our right to accrue foreign debt.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Best yet ๐Ÿ˜›

            • Newiga

              xD HAHAHAHHAHAAA!

          • stanrogers

            I have an unfortunate Alan-Davies-on-QI sort of luck with these things. I’m already certain that I will get “The ladies of the harem of the court of King Caractacus were just passing by” even without actually visiting the generator.

            • grundoon

              More than you wanted to know about King Caractacus

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Heehee! You are a miracle, Stan ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Noallball

          Couldn’t agree more.

      • Observer

        This seems appropriate: “The sanctimoniousness of complexity is very nearly closed-minded in its interdependence.”

        • Newiga

          Excellent! I fully agree. ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค“

    • Kestrel

      He tries so hard.

      • EmmaDaoust

        He ain’t no Conrad Black.

      • Juicer77

        He’s trying, alright.

    • Observer

      The pretension, it buuuuuuuuuurns

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Oh, Oh, Obs! Check it out. Newi’s found the pretentious phrase generator he’s been using all along!

    • PeaceMaker

      Propaganda statements like what, that Ortega “brought his trolling legion to life, his cheerleader in chief working feverishly to spread Tonyโ€™s line onto every forum” (Rathbun, September 4, 2016) or that “When someone is perceived as a threat to their hypocritical racket, ASC leaders apply their own version of disconnection; one that is far more arbitrary than that practiced in Scientology.” (Rathbun, October 5, 2016)?

      Rathbun has latched onto some larger philosophical issues with some merit, but he seems to fail to grasp them entirely, and then to propose solutions, much less figure out how to carry out his own matters in a way that doesn’t fall into exactly the same pitfalls he decries. But that’s actually typically scientological, in the vein of Hubbard’s hypocritical behavior.

      • Techie

        PeaceMaker, you’re onto something. In the book “Suspicious Minds: Why We Believe Conspiracy Theories” by Rob Brotherton he spends some time explaining how we tend to think we are better at intellectual pursuits than we really are. Everybody is convinced that we can analyze complex subjects and generate logical conclusions, but mostly this is an illusion. It takes a bit of humility and a lot of real research to find out something beyond the Wikipedia/google approach. All well and good, nobody knows everything. But in the rarified air that Marty, Oracle and the others breath, the piece of blue sky they were sold by Hubbard, knowledge is certainty. If it is true for you, it is true. And you find out just by concentrated knowing. By following up on your vague impressions, extracting sweeping generalizations from them, and latching on to them with lamprey-like tenacity in the face of all contrary evidence. They follow the path of the Hubbard, and end up in the same swampy mess of contradictions.

        • PeaceMaker

          Techie, thanks for that recommendation, I just added it to my reading list. And, that’s a great explanation.

          You might have noticed from my comments, that I have a lot of knowledge about conspiracy theories, and conspiracy theorizing – perhaps too much.

          Underlying our propensity for conspiracy theories, are our inherent cognitive biases (my particular interest at moment) – overconfidence being an important element of several major ones.

          Indeed, one of the lures of Scientology, is the illusion of offering “certainty,” answers that explain the world and everything one is supposed to do.

          One of the things I find particularly insidious about Scientology, is that it reinforces a conspiratorial and even paranoid mindset that came from Hubbard, with the 12 men who control the world, psychs and big pharma, and the “tech” indoctrination in how to ferret out the “who” and the SPs that are supposed to be found behind anything that goes wrong.

          And one of the things that I think is self-incriminating in Hubbard’s supposed science of mind, and data evaluation, is that he no only didn’t teach people about logical fallacies and cognitive biases, but fell into them and even exploited them – landing followers in that mental swamp.

          • Techie

            Yep, there are no more conspiratorial types than in the Church of Lyentology. The old Freedom Magazines were full of them, L Fletcher Prouty and on and on. Anybody who believes that the Psychs are trying to control his mind using rose perfume on his clothes will believe anything.

      • Supper Powers

        You have to stop reading his stuff. Your writing is starting to be eerily similar to his.
        Edit autocorrect

    • Joe

      In Marty’s defense, “reductio ad absurdum” was my favorite spell in Harry Potter.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Bwahaha!

    • Rasha

      You grew these????

      • In Rasha, crystals grew you.

        • Rasha

          Laughed out loud at work. ^_^

          But really, I’ve tried growing crystals, in the hopes of getting photos of the light coming through them. Growing crystals is very Zen, basically nature’s way of expressing the details of atomic structure. Ya just have to wait…..

          • So cool! I didn’t even know you can grow them. Sorcery.

            • Puget Buckeye

              When I was a kid, in the olden days, we used to make crystals by pouring ammonia and blueing over coal. It’s a pretty cool experiment.

            • Kestrel

              When I was a kid, in the olden days, we had to bring a bucket of coal to school to be warm in the winter.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Well at least you had fire. When I was a kid, it hadn’t been discovered yet.

    • daisy

      Will you quit posting porn . ( seriously beautiful )

    • Jimmy3

      You gonna smoke all that by yourself or… ?

      • Puget Buckeye

        Well, it ain’t gonna smoke itself.

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T – Just popped in to let folks know I’ll be heading to check in at the hospital in just a bit. Hip replacement is scheduled for 7am my time tomorrow and, barring complications, I should get sprung some time Weds evening. So I should be back to the ‘Bunker’ Thur morning.

    Also, it’s been scientifically verified cats have conquered the world: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-017-0139.epdf?referrer_access_token=q2syc6y71b_Qv8y35jPxptRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0P1-hlCK4xw03Oq1bTQkuMRQqJE-cXRf5s0Xa6NUY97NgArqYdL0ty3rz1XaZM4SoSFYJeEBqSFyvoW7EH4gJxusPPG4mLmCM1bnV1u1CCwYICyx5iuFhK8kKEVxkQL9nF79xqG0tqdeeR2xICVQjUsLdFCBo-y5yA6GF8SiTcU7tBKuRcuvo-fUqklSziXNlzDdBfhzVCEdCr-fsm3rdxg&tracking_referrer=www.smithsonianmag.com

    Felis silvestris lybica, otherwise known as the African Wildcat, is at the root of the conquest. (f5)
    https://ferrebeekeeper.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/african-wildcat.jpg

    • Rasha

      Very Hugs! You will be much more comfortable afterward. Looking for you on Thursday!!!! Best thoughts!!!!! ^_^

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Very best of luck to you! Hopefully your daughter will be able to give us an update tomorrow. x

    • OOkpik

      The kindest thoughts go with you. (((HUGS)))

    • gtsix

      Best of luck! Of course cats conquered the world, they were gods, after all.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))

      Take care of yourself my friend. You will be missed. โค๏ธ

    • Mick Roberts

      I wish you well. Please keep us updated as you are able.

    • Observer

      You’ll be outta there in no time!

    • Noallball

      My dear PAID, so I’m a hip-replacement-waiting-to-happen and wish you the best of luck (and orthopaedic surgeons.) Stretching mine out as long as possible as per reccomendation. Love that pain!!! Addendum: of course cats conquered the world. That’s a forgone conclusion. I don’t need no stinkin’ scientific verification.

      • balletlady

        After rehab you”ll be out there dancing….pain free! Keeping you in my thoughts for a speedy recovery!

    • Ann B Watson

      Having been through the cancer surgeries dance more than once, May The African Wildcat guard you when asleep, and the cats you love greet you when awake. โค๏ธ

      • OOkpik

        Every day I shall wish the same for you. <3

        • Ann B Watson

          I love you OOkpik, Thank You.๐Ÿ’–

      • ReallyMGM

        I had to fire my cat therapy animal on day 2. She was TOO attentive. She now sits sentry at the top of the stairs, either to protect or trip me.

        • Ann B Watson

          I love your post!๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜ป

          • ReallyMGM

            I am always sure of my dogs’ intentions when they are bring kind to me, but I am always a bit suspicious of my cat. She might be trying to kill me.

            • Ann B Watson

              I adore doggies and kitties always brought them up together so they gang up on their Mom & know how to be rotten spoiled too! โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’–

    • daisy

      Anyone who can protest in the winter does*t need my good luck but I am sending it anyway

    • Supper Powers

      Big hug! Post here when you’re high on pain killers!

      • GfldedKim

        .๐Ÿ˜‚

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Good luck, Pick!

    • ReallyMGM

      Good luck! Check in!

    • Science Doc

      Good luck. Worst part will probably be when PT comes by to make you walk.

    • Kestrel

      Best wishes!

    • You will be fine.

    • iampissed

      Wishing you well

    • Sherbet

      Be well, and save the first dance for the Bunker.

    • Juicer77

      Will say some prayers for smooth procedure and recovery!

    • dungeon master

      Those I know who’ve had the procedure say it’s made their lives soooo much better.. Best wishes for an easy recovery.

  • Vaquera
    • Rasha

      That is a classic Abrupta defensive posture…. ^_^

      • beauty for ashes

        Amazing how his forearms are exactly parallel. beautiful form!

        • Rasha

          You don’t usually see that in the Tickling Competition, not in the Beach Venue, anyway. That’s Advanced Abrupta Form, and worth an additional 47 points.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      A. this is such a happy picture!
      B. squeeze our little Bunkeroo from us all
      C. dress, please
      D. earrings, please

      • Vaquera

        Dress: Vince
        Earrings: Houston Rodeo
        Squeezes all around

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          There is a greater than 100% certainty that I couldn’t carry them off like you do! You look incredible ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Vaquera

            :0

          • Sherbet

            She does! In person, even better.

        • Rasha

          Boots….?

      • Ann B Watson

        I love this photo.๐Ÿ˜˜

      • OOkpik
        • balletlady

          I bet SHE doesn’t say “Squeeze my cans”….

          • PerpetualOutflow

            LOL, because she doesn’t have any?

    • Newiga

      Squee! ๐Ÿ˜

    • flyonthewall

      what did you use as bait? Nintendo? Legos? Moon pies?

      • Vaquera

        Flatbread with olives, hold the cheese.

        • flyonthewall

          o.O Smh. You know my daughters pronounce sherbet “correctly” without the R before the last T at the end? What is wrong with kids these days?

          • Observer

            Thank Xenu! That second R drives me insane.

            • flyonthewall

              that’s bc you hate America

            • Observer

              Only because America has poor reading and phonics skills.

            • flyonthewall

              so you admit it! And we don’t have poor phonics skills either, we’re very good at using the cellphone telephone machine

            • Observer

              Ah, the CTM

          • balletlady

            The English language is most confusing of all…..”X” pronounced like “Z” as in “xenu”……then there is the sound of the vowels…….

            Long and short vowels spoken as “hard or soft”…..as in “Egg” which sounds like it begins with an “eh sound” and then effect…which sounds like it looks…sounds like an E……..I could go on and on…..so much for English. which in England,,,well….
            Schedule is more or less Shed u al etc…..

          • As long as they know the ‘y’ is silent.

          • Sherbet

            My son (to be funny) says it as if he’s Ernie on Sesame Street. “Sure, Bert!”

        • PerpetualOutflow

          That little fish eats olives? I’m impressed!

    • balletlady

      He probably has to be thrown back in the water…he’s too small….

      • Vaquera

        He makes up for it in personality.

        • balletlady

          Little but mighty! Without a doubt just so adorable! Hope he’s ok!

    • Sherbet

      Funny pic!

    • Juicer77

      XD

  • Hot off the Telex! Keep this under your hats until it’s official – Bruno’s ASC rank has been confirmed: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/749f37f183812c7fb05353fec705de9c111cc56c9dc560902d10bef7b7bf0007.jpg

  • flyonthewall
    • beauty for ashes

      How much are tickets?

      • flyonthewall

        nosebleed seats are $35 and up to a couple car payments for good decent ones

        • beauty for ashes

          Ha! just what I thought. U2 is really good live even with bad seats.

          • flyonthewall

            Yeah they’re talented and all but just not my cup of tea. Plus, with a big mega band like that it’s going to be a circus and the tkts are just a racket, it’s disgusting

    • Supper Powers

      One comes from a background of fighting for human rights and social justice, the other from an organization that pretends to.

  • Observer

    This makes me ridiculously happy.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyTxVB-_xUs

    • beauty for ashes

      holy crap I got goosebumps! sooo good!

      • Observer

        They don’t look any older than junior high. Seriously talented!

        • beauty for ashes

          I wonder if the teacher arranged the music. I kind of still can’t believe my ears.
          Pure joy though! thanks for sharing!

    • Supper Powers

      That teacher deserves an award.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        He does! What a fantastic thing to do with the kids.

    • God, I love this song. The original.
      Rage Against The Machine – Bulls on Parade
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L4YrGaR8E4

    • chukicita

      The kid in the red shirt might be a music lover.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    O/T note: The news that Jim Cantore is headed to your state is not good news. Don’t be fooled!! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Observer

      Uh-oh…that’s right, hurricane season starts this month. Stay safe!

    • Supper Powers

      Just saw! You’re good, you’re good. Water, batteries, booze, and a full tank of gas.

    • Kristen

      I was surprised when I saw that…when I went to work this morning, it was just a vague nebulous blob of a storm all the way down in the Yucatan, and they weren’t sure where it was headed. Be safe!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Thanks everyone. We’ll be okay, looks like it’s going to be a disorganized tropical storm (so far, we’ll see) which means a couple days of non-stop rain and it’ll get gusty as the eye comes ashore. Will be making a trip to the store in the AM for the necessities. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          And just a little Mommy-brag: My little man became a yellow belt in Ju-Jitsu today. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Stephanie Loving

            Congrats. It’s awesome you have him enrolled. A great accomplishment he won’t forget!

      • Robert Eckert

        good thing she brought her umbrella!

    • TexasBroad

      No, it is not. Batten down and button up. Ugh…looks like lots of water. We will be waiting for your check in once it’s passed. Be safe.

  • Tony said – [Clay Irwin and friend]. LOL!

  • Harpoona Frittata

    O/T, but not a lot. Now that I’m back on the cult’s mailing list after a brief hiatus of only 35 years, I’m receiving all sorts of interesting cult mail!

    For example, today’s post brought me the local org’s FSM newsletter, which announced an “all-out crusade” to make the org Saint Hill size. So, in order to accomplish that thetarific goal, FSM’s will now receive a training award that’s equal to 15% of the value of the services which their selectees pay for, in addition to the 15% cash commission! Yes, you heard right, that’s double the incentive for these hard-working salvagers of souls to work even harder to clear this poor prison planet before it’s too late!

    Butt weight, there’s more! In a manic fit of unparalleled generosity, FSMs will also receive an extra $100 in training awards for every five new public that start their first service! Finally, at long last, the obstacles to planetary clearing are being obliterated and a Golden Dawn is even now blooming on the horizon of our Infinities…this really DOES change everything!

    • Kestrel

      Ooh, sorry. I just upped my IAS Status.

    • April

      So the cause of declining membership and dearth of new recruits to scientology has been due to…the FSMs not making enough money? O.o
      Surely it has nothing to do with the CO$’s toxic brand, failure to make good on its promise of super powers, or its litany of abuses.

    • Noesis

      Sounds incredibly desperate.

    • dungeon master

      I don’t think it’s appropriate to address someones ‘Butt weight’.

    • $ofS Int mailing department 209-396-5728. Have fun ๐Ÿ™‚

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        (209) 396- Sonora, CA Pac – West Telecomm Tuolumne Landline

        • Guess they were getting to many calls…. or probably can’t pay their bills LOL Ya, that’s probably it ๐Ÿ™‚

    • stanrogers

      So this is a much longer “long con” than anybody was thinking, then? Hubs split with Crowley and Crowley’s split from the Golden Dawn were fake?

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Exactly! Secret occult fraternal organizations take a very dim view of folks who expose their inner workings, so changing the names to protect the guilty was required here.

        But lots of little clues, such as the retention of the word “Golden” in the Golden age of Tech and Golden age of Knowledge, hint at the fact that this secret occult society continues to exist and to enslave souls under the cover of doing the exact opposite!

  • beauty for ashes
    • Rasha

      I heart Groucho.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    OT from Mike Rinder:

    I am interested in hearing from people who have had experience with scientology’s front groups, particularly Volunteer Ministers, Way to Happiness, Applied Scholastics (HELP etc) and Youth for Human Rights. Send emails to knowledgereports@hushmail.com. Your information will not become public unless you specifically authorize it.

    F5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/636e7d48e1b4d3ea81d78cfd3809e9ef8fef85b4bd7830f5dc9fa8278e6efb93.png

    • PattyCakenfeld

      “Your information will not become public unless you specifically authorize it.”

      Sigh. Maybe Rathbun’s videos have made one deep cut, because at this point I would not trust anything I sent via email regarding CoS to remain private, either through illegal third-party access or by someone turncoating. That’s honestly not a diss towards Rinder, just sad acknowledgement that anything is possible.

  • J. Swift

    Here is proof from L. Ron Hubbard’s own mouth that he was blinded and crippled & claimed he used his work that became Dianetics to heal himself. This video is excerpted from The Secret Lives of L. Ron Hubbard. This short video excerpt puts the lie to Part 20 of Marty Rathbun’s claim that Hubbard never said any such thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBpO6D0PpK8&feature=youtu.be

    • J. Swift

      Will Mark Rathbun will address Dr. Hubbard’s claim to have been up in the Van Allen Radiation Belt where space is actually quite warm?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4HYE8oKWKs

      • JJ

        I was up there myself for six or seven years..never saw him…

        • OOkpik

          He was revisiting Heaven at that time.

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            Was that standard tech Heaven or GAT Heaven time?

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Is that what inspired him to write “All About Radiation” with the mysterious Farley R. Spink???

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Farley R. Spink (RIP) died of radiation poisoning. The autopsy revealed he hadn’t smoked enough cigarettes.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Proof positive.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Ah, but you remained “blind” and you were definitely “lame” Ron. And what’s more, you have an irritatingly nasal quality to your voice.

    • OOkpik

      In this clip Hubs didn’t mention that he cured himself of being blind and crippled while at the Naval Hospital, so Morty must be right…Right??? Besides, what is true for Morty is what is true…Right???
      Sit down!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        While the Founder was blind and crippled at the Naval Hospital he was nevertheless curing people that the wog medicos couldn’t. He was so busy as a crippled and blind miracle-worker that people thought he was literally Our Lady of Fatima come back to Earth with red hair. After he cured everyone else, only then in 1948 did the blind and crippled Mr. Hubbard take time to process and heal himself.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          At the age of 3? I bet right after that he exteriorized to the wild west to break broncos at the age of 4?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      He’s also on record in a1965 essay, entitled My Philosophy, http://www.lronhubbard.org/articles-and-essays/my-philosophy-1.html in making those same claims.

      Mutty knows this perfectly well, so it seems to me that he’s either dissembling here because he was paid to do so or because he was coerced/blackmailed into it…I just can’t think of another plausible alternate explanation.

      • dungeon master

        A lie repeated enough gets one on Alex Jones?

        Edit to add: I’m sorry. You did say plausible. I read it as possible..

    • iampissed

      When he had to much nitrioxe oxide. Spelling be damed.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      But that was probably just fake NEWS….errrh I’ll correct that and say it was NEWS uttered by a fake.

  • Off topic, again. Just caught a really cool cloud formation. Great light too. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9cc0ed8c90aa58a998d3bf36bb47503338f84a8a022f37200d3673a3b9d20e9c.jpg

    • Observer

      Wow!

      • I’ve been hunting for nature’s gifts all day.

        • iampissed

          Find a redhead.

    • Juicer77

      Thanks for sharing. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Jimmy3

      God is playing “got’cha nose” with a baby elephant

      • Krishna is a known jokester.

      • beauty for ashes

        I clearly see the face of the “Stay Puft” Marshmallow man.

        • Rasha

          I spotted that right off, too!

        • iampissed

          How’s mom doing….if I might?

          • beauty for ashes

            She is well, although she is experiencing some clinginess and anxiety from her youngest daughter. ๐Ÿ˜‰ She has had some complications, that after such a length of peace left me somewhat hyper vigilant. In the end she always figures out what is best for her. I am still frustrated with the pain in her legs, which seems so random and really annoying to my mom. Lots of chemo patients get swelling, which she has and she has had before, but this time stinging pain as well. She is tired too. And very often cranky. The coloring helps and we are nearly finished the Dowton Abbey coloring book saga!
            once again thanks for asking and letting me vent!

      • dungeon master

        I can see the baby elephant, but that other thing looks more like the Oghdru Jahad from Hellboy IMHO.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      I’ll guess that there was a fair bit of air movement involved.?

    • Stephanie Loving

      Going in my Dodo Pictures file. Love this, especially framed on left by fire escape. Awesome!!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    F5 – In the Outstanding Achievement in Reality Programming category…

    ETA. Looking at Twitter posts from several hours ago I think this was probably shared to the Bunker this morning.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38b9652b32e2787e5a391070a42ede3ebda35add0377e430375d8c74538030dd.jpg

  • flyonthewall

    Ladies and gentlemen! The President of the United States! *cue Hail to the Chief*

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/93bec604ea60de4c3ccc31355f5448a6a50bc143f62427b0cb2dc21b1f833289.png

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
      • Supper Powers

        So much this.

        • dungeon master

          We all know what happened to ‘give me your tired, your poor’..

    • JJ

      OMG that’s what I like to see a 70 year old man whining like a 14 year old girl. Not Nice, bad bad…

    • Rasha

      “But I contend that the strongest of all governments is that which is most free.”

      William Henry Harrison (1841)

      “The man who can look upon a crisis without being willing to offer himself upon the altar of his country is not for public trust.”

      Millard Fillmore (1850โ€“1853)

      “No other people have a government more worthy of their respect and love or a land so magnificent in extent, so pleasant to look upon, and so full of generous suggestion to enterprise and labor.”

      Benjamin Harrison (1889โ€“1893)

      “Amazing how the haters &losers keep tweeting the name “F**kface Von Clownstick” like they are so original & like no one else is doing it…”

      Donald “Fuckface Von Clownstick” Trump (2017)

      • Supper Powers

        Hey, I think it shows he said it in 2013.

        • Rasha

          Donald “Fuckface Von Clownstick” Trump (1946 – 2017)

          • Supper Powers

            Bahahahahah!!!!

      • iampissed

        Something’s never go out of style.

    • PeaceMaker

      In all fairness, it should be noted that the date on that was well before he was President. Though saying that his tweets are now more presidential, seems like kind of an oxymoron.

      Jon Stewart Remembers Twitter War With Donald Trump, Aka โ€˜F**kface Von Clownstickโ€™
      http://forward.com/schmooze/353236/jon-stewart-remembers-his-twitter-war-with-trump-aka-baron-von-fckstick/

      • iampissed

        But it explains so much (oxymoron) hair color and………..
        ETA: for my friends on the other side of the world we have a product called oxyclean.
        It’s kind of a bleach…I suspect you had it first.

      • flyonthewall

        In all fairness? What does that mean? What’s the cut off date for a grown ass 70yr old man acting like a fool before he becomes POTUS? Well, he was just a young foolish 66yr old lad when he was tweeting crazy shit at all hours of the night and day. He’s much more mature now 4yrs later and none of that insane lewd behavior from “well before” he became President has anything to do with anything.

        • Jimmy3

          Don’t argue with this guy man. He’s just tryin to make the peace.

        • Rasha

          It was a different time.

          • flyonthewall

            Yeah, if you can remember 2013 you weren’t there man

            • Rasha

              …no wonder I can’t remember. I remember the 60’s though…..

            • Rasha

              ….some of them…..

            • Rasha

              …it was a different time…..

    • daisy

      That is lovely I will have a pillow stitched

      • Todd Tomorrow

        My birthday is coming up, just sayin’, Daisy.

        • daisy

          Maybe 10 yrs or so, I am slow , besides I have a lovely pharmaceutical basket for you

          • Puget Buckeye

            Hey Daisy! My birthday’s next month. Just sayin’

      • iampissed

        You do know that there is a whole subculture of naughty cross stitchers.
        ETA: Google it.

    • Observer

      He’s spent more time on Twitter in five months than Obama spent on vacation in eight years.

      • Supper Powers

        Wine everywhere!

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Wins everywhere!

    • daisy

      He just assured that anyone reading this will address him as F**Kface Von Clownstick. I prefer rotting infected ballsack crypt keeper

    • gtsix

      If the Confeve bill passes, these tweets will be recorded for the historical record. This is us, America.

    • dungeon master

      Nanny-nanny boo-boo. I’m rubber, you’re glue! I’m sorry. This is even stupider than pardoning turkeys.

    • JaxNGold

      This is just beyond embarrassing. Never did I think we’d have a President who tweets and uses teenage words like “haters”. What an imbecile.

    • GrangerFX

      The straight poop from the oval orifice.

      • Robert Eckert

        This was 2013 when he was in a battle of wits with Jon Stewart (not a fair fight when one side is completely disarmed)

  • JJ

    Flounder has died. Somewhere a horse is laughing… RIP Stephen Furst!

  • JJ

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/new-movies/tom-cruise-behind-the-scenes-of-the-mummy-a-movie-star-run-amok/news-story/060e2407b5bea81fc507b9bafa70fa2a

    Refers to The Mummy movie as a gauntlet of humiliation… Um. Don’t give DM ideas. That sounds like a stop on the RPF tour.

    A true collaborator? A collaboration means you listened to other peoples advice. I am thinking he didn’t hear anything anyone else said.

    • bgh179

      The newest attraction at the Super Power Building!

      • JJ

        The Gauntlet Of Humiliation! Step right up and get a three day sec check in 12 minutes! Confess your sins, align your thetan, clear your MEST, cleanse your colon all for the low low low price of $545.00 AND you don’t even have to get out of your car!

        • Kestrel

          If I’m getting a colon cleanse I’m getting out of the car.

          • JJ

            Dude that’s the beauty of it, if you got bucket seats that will lay back and don’t wear underpants….

            • Kestrel

              JJ, I need to borrow your car. You have cloth seats, don’t you?

            • JJ

              pahaha. I actually don’t drive. you might not wanna do the drive though in a city bus.. but then again. it hardly matters, can get pretty gamey on the bus in summer…

    • Rasha

      I think TC did a perfect job of rendering his vision onto the screen and showcasing his style and talent to their fullest. He really brought out the essence of his acting ability, while infusing the film with his insight and …. and…..

      Hold on – I gotta barf…

      …there. Done. Sorry, where was I? Oh, yeah – the film sucks. This one’s going straight to VHS.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Your bulimia is out-ethics, entheta, and vereh badd!!!

        Sec-checking in 3-2-1…..

        • Rasha

          Tom Cruise is my ipecac.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Syrup of Thom Cruuze. Gag-inducing.

          • dungeon master

            Coca-cola nose burn!

      • Noallball

        My first belly laugh in a long time.

      • gtsix

        “Straight to VHS”…. #ifyadontknowyoureayougin

      • iampissed

        VH……what.

        • Rasha

          IKR???

  • iampissed

    I’ve been reading downstream a bit…..you guys have been day dictionaring again haven’t ya?

  • Liberated

    Bruno gets my vote for MVP….good dog !

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Is it safe to assume that Davey Miscavige is an OT8? Are all the upper execs at RTC OT8’s?

    Cuz, ya know, it’s great! From the word on the street anyway….

    • iampissed

      From my perspective….I doubt it…fake news and all.
      Way to busy….way…way to busy.

    • Liberated

      No he’s not…he might be OT5.
      He decided he doesn’t need anymore auditing – he’s such a big being and all.

      • iampissed

        Interesting thought, he cuddles up to so many that maybe he has no need.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Don’t laugh at me for asking, but are you serious about him only being an oatee5?? I know I sound dumb…

        • iampissed

          Doesn’t sound dumb at all…..it’s always a question.

        • Liberated

          I’m pretty sure that’s the case (pun intended)….guess the guy has too many overts.

          I’m not laughing and you’re not dumb.

          Think I read it here at Le Bunker.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Lolz, I hear you!! I just assumed all RTC’s are OT8, it is Grreatt!!!

        • gtsix

          Yep.

        • PeaceMaker

          That’s Scientology, hard to believe, but true.

          As has been said, he probably believes he is a special sort of “big being” who has achieved a higher level on his own, and doesn’t need additional training and processing. That, or he found enough unpublished materials left behind by Hubbard, that he determined that Scientology is really at it’s heart some other sort of imagined game like a spiritual power quest.

      • Rasha

        He’s OT 4′ 13″, I believe…..

        • iampissed

          Go

          • Rasha

            ….tryin’……

        • Liberated

          Good one ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      There is actually Hubbard policy that says in effect: One is as OT as one can create effects. And that staff members and Sea Org members are FAR more “OT” than someone who has merely had auditing up through the grade chart “OT Levels.”

      So, as the greatest staff member, creating the greatest effects, he is considered the most OT in Scientology.

      • iampissed

        I guess…big being. Thanks for that.
        ETA: do staff consider him…….never mind. I think I answered my own question.

    • Too many questions to answer to make it to OT 8. He can’t have anybody, not even an auditor know that much about his broken brain.

    • grundoon

      There might be a few OT8’s but few in the Sea Org are OT or even Clear. They’re too busy to go up the Bridge.

  • PeaceMaker

    I’m surprised I haven’t seen anything about this, and maybe I missed it – but it looks like Florida law requires that written notice be posted when outdoor surveillance cameras are in use. There may be a violation of law there, though between Irwin having moved the camera and the neighbors denying responsibility, there may not be any charges that could be brought. Hindsight may be 20-20, but Irwin should have called the police when he first saw the camera and before even touching it.

    http://legalbeagle.com/8766906-florida-law-hidden-cameras-property.html

    p.s. The much older files on the storage card, could be left over from other surveillance jobs – in which case someone would be panicking, and Irwin might get an official or unofficial visit. The newer files are probably just unrevealing footage of his home, but the older ones might be interesting.

    • Puget Buckeye

      This is going to sound very odd, but I’m practically salivating, wanting to know what images that camera has on it. And I’m very anxious to see how this plays out.

      • ReneeG

        Yeah, it’s like a train wreck… I should look away, but I just can’t. I really wanna watch this unfold, too. I never, ever get tired of witnessing Co$ footbullets.

    • iampissed

      It’s called format.

      • Rasha

        …with multiple overwrites.

        …Yes, I’m going!

        • iampissed

          Yea and Linux can really do a number on it. Not to mention passwords.

    • Aslan’s Own

      I hope he has the memory card in a very, very safe private place. On his (public) FB page he says that he’s been getting messages from all over the world telling him to make sure his dog is safe at all times., etc. Some of his friends are telling him to be careful, and he’s insisting that “it’s a little club. They’re harmless lol.” I hope he starts to take it a little more seriously…..

    • grundoon

      Hidden camera laws at Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

      Looks like in Florida, hidden cameras are ok provided you don’t use them to snoop on people undressing. 810.145 Video voyeurism

      However, you cannot record audio of a private conversation without the consent of both parties.

      Clearwater police officers earn loads of overtime providing security for Chruch events. Not sure it is such a good idea to call them first. Maybe call lawyer first.

      • PeaceMaker

        Grundoon, thanks for those useful and interesting links.

        I had thought to look it up, partly because I remember that Florida was a pioneer in video voyeurism laws.

        It looks like the website I cited, might have misinterpreted the applicability of the written notice requirement in 5(b) of 810.145, though it’s possible that a relevant requirement is buried in some other statute or precedent.

        And I know about the issues with CPD and the CofS, but in case like this in a residential neighborhood and where legally documenting the finding is important, it still seems to me that calling the police and filing a report would be the right step.

        • grundoon

          15 minutes googling produced the sum of my knowledge of Florida hidden camera law. I could easily have missed a statutory requirement for written notice. However, I think the Reporters Committee got an actual lawyer to do their writeup; it ought to cover the main points pretty well.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Home, home, home at last.
    Sweet Xenu in a manger, but these Bunkerues live a million miles away.
    The decadent delights of the city

    Croissant! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a10a51c00fb93337d7b0471506f157a9e2b7464be985639951847d3cb0b99de1.jpg

    Pals! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec28bddd110fc82cd1cb86d49fd35da7fa3e0cb32218ea452baa17ea07f8d68f.jpg

    Bunkerues shoes!
    (including the youngest one ๐Ÿ™‚ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/262b0632f1b76689356da03d85b567ff738dfcbc9232ab5c207d61863bf14832.jpg

    I may not make it to Denver but there are a host of warm and loving hugs heading west.
    Kim, make sure she disnae fergit ye, lass.

    • Vaquera

      Not to worry. They’re already tucked into my valise.

      • Baby

        Yeah and so are the kids.. Pan..double check..

        Pictures are beautiful honey.. They sure love you there..

    • Rasha

      Wait – Do we each get our own Vaquera and Abrupta?

    • That croissant pic! Another fried Mark Ultra XLVII Adorbometerโ„ข.

    • Baby

      Pan..I absolutely love your sons. both so squeeeeeezeable..

  • Rasha

    Okay, Bunks. Rasha’s got some caek and growed-up dranks to take care of. Like, 12-year-old dranks. -_^

    Everyone wish Dee a Very Birfday tomorrow! First thing! -_^

    I shloud stop tyringt o type now……

    • Puget Buckeye

      Enyoj ur caek and dranks!

  • Tony Ortega

    Wow, part 21 is so messed up. First of all, I have made no secret of the fact that I disagree with Larry Wright and Alex Gibney about how the FBI investigation ended. And my version COMES FROM RATHBUN — as confirmed by Marc Headley and Mike Rinder.

    Also, I don’t understand how Marty can say that the appeals decision that denied the Headleys said there was “no there there.” As we have pointed out numerous times, the truth is the opposite of that. Does Marty think we can’t read that decision and see the judge saying, “there’s plenty of troubling evidence here, but you sued under the wrong law.” THAT’s the lesson of that case. Not that there was no evidence.

    And what is Marty saying about JB? That he came out saying that the Hole had been changed, and therefore all of the people who had come out before him with stories of the Hole — DeVocht, Rinder, Headley, Cook — are, um, lying? Is that what Marty is doing here, starting to deny the Hole — that HE was in and described himself????

    Aye, carumba.

    • Noesis

      Marty today has his “troika.” Three persons / places / things that (apparently) are the source of all the nasty wog PR about Scientology.

      “King of the Indies Marty” of a few years back had a “Chosen 11” of evil-doers that were the cause of much lament.

      This June 2013 post depicted below (just the top portion screen captured from Marty’s blog) is a great trip down memory lane, when Marty (then) also had everything (and everyone else) all figured out.

      Ironically the post is titled “The Way Out Is Not The Way Back In .”

      Lol

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/caf2f2c65445339c179068ed4ad7ab9ab92a8d54802e6a8d3e0d58378fd0643a.png

      • PeaceMaker

        Noesis, thanks for that, it’s an interesting piece in a number of ways.

        It does show his longstanding propensity to see conspiracies as behind things – and to frame them rather melodramatically.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        The perfect Mutty post title! Many of his past writings and testimony are coming back to bite him in the ass these days.

        If he keeps it up we’ll be in Disconnection Denial Land soon.

    • iampissed

      I’m not as brave as you are. I couldn’t make it that far. I’m glad your doing it so I don’t have to.
      ETA: Ross and Carrie

    • Jimmy3

      They must’ve been gassing the room with something. That’s why it gets more and more ridiculous with each segment. By #40 he’ll be butt naked licking the theta residue off the camera lens.

      • ReneeG

        This is the funniest thing I’ve read all day. ๐Ÿ‘

        • Jimmy3

          ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Stephanie Loving

        Phenomenal visual. My eyes my eyes!

    • PeaceMaker

      Rathbun, is once again sloppy himself while critiquing the thoroughness and accuracy of Wright’s scholarship – he doesn’t cite which 9th circuit opinion he is referring to (there have been several, including in the 1991 Aznaran case with allegations of human trafficking), though presumably it’s the Headley’s.

      I think it’s worth noting that in regards to John Brousseau’s later report about conditions at Gold when the “hole” was no longer operating as Rathbun had known it, he just completely avoids addressing what was going on earlier. I’m not sure if he’s just obsessively focused on attacking Wright’s work to the exclusion of everything else, or deliberately avoiding acknowledging Scientology’s dirty laundry.

      My sense of this, is that whatever the agenda (or lack thereof), that Rathun is operating on an end-justifies-the-means rationalization, that Scientology has received so much bad publicity, and some of it he apparently thinks unfairly so, that he is restoring balance by providing what he thinks is the other side of the story and advocating for just that one side exclusively, rather than being balanced himself. This also would seem to me to position him well within what seems to be a currently popular strain of independent Scientology (and perhaps also UTR) thought that the supposed “good” in Scientology is not being adequately acknowledged, and that Hubbard could have created valuable and workable “tech” in spite of his deep flaws and the subsequent misbehaviors of his organization.

      I also found it quite interesting when he started out getting into what sounds like the conspiracy theory part of his current view of things, talking about the “anti-Scientology narrative as partially authored by Lawrence Wright”. Perhaps that’s some backtracking on the ridiculous claim that Going Clear is a sort of “bible,” but as you’ve pointed out, Tony, Wright’s work is just one in a long line of critical books, though the documentary based on ended up having a more important role.

    • Mick Roberts

      Wait…..the hell? I guess I must’ve just dreamed that he was in Louis Theroux’s movie as the MAIN SOURCE OF INFORMATION to help recreate what the Hole was really like.

    • Did Brousseau recant his stories about everything he did in the Sea Org?

      • Tony Ortega

        No, why?

        • Is that the JB you refer to in the post? Peacemaker’s post looked as though he was corroborating that the hole didn’t exist or wasn’t that bad. I thought he put all the bars on the windows. Could also be the IPA.

          • Supper Powers

            What kind of IPA?

            • Lagunitas.

            • Supper Powers

              I’m a fan. Fine choice, fine choice.

          • Tony Ortega

            JB came out in 2010. After the publicity about the Hole in 2009 in the Tampa Bay Times, Miscavige knew he had a disaster on his hands and he made changes to lessen the Hole’s severity. He moved the people to a different location, JB said. It’s in my stories about him. Yes, JB is the guy who put the bars on the doors and windows when the Hole started in 2004, but the fact that conditions changed after 2009 doesn’t negate that. Marty apparently thinks he can fool people into thinking that.

          • PeaceMaker

            Brousseau never witnessed any violence – but wasn’t in a position to. He was a facilities guy, who did things like put bars on windows, though he did witness comings and goings.

            I’m just pointing out that Rathbun, either because of his obsessive focus on picking apart details of Wright’s work, or clever sidestepping, when he brings up Brousseau, does not mention what went on inside the hole during its worst period. I think it’s worthwhile for those of us with an interest in it, to watch exactly what Rathbun is and isn’t saying.

    • Supper Powers

      It’s intellectually unbearable.

    • Mockingbird

      Has Miscavige ordered implausible denials of EVERYTHING Marty Rathbun’s ever said against Scientology, Hubbard and himself.

    • Mockingbird

      Tony, I think a vital thing in demonstrating that the Scientology watching community is not in fact a cult is the fact that people can disagree with each other. I have disagreed with many people here and haven’t been banned or fair gamed or cast out. Similarly many others disagree and don’t get shunned.

    • RadioPaul1

      It’s almost like Marty is making these videos for people still in to confuse them. See David was right along …

  • Quick empathy

    OT-I just read the Penthouse, June 1983 interview with L. Ron Hubbard Jr. It is a great interview. The things that LRH Jr. (who legally changed his name to Ron DeWolf) talks about explains a lot about LRH and the beginnings of scientology. His story is almost unbelievable until you realize that Jr. is describing Co$ then and it is the same as now. Amazing.

    http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm

    • iampissed

      It can’t change….per source.

    • Tony Ortega

      Nibs was exaggerating in that interview, so be aware of it.

      • Quick empathy

        Thanks, Tony. I wasn’t aware of that.

      • iampissed

        Thanks

      • PeaceMaker

        Some of it seems a bit over the top, though I’ve wondered if that’s because he’s repeating tall tales that his father told him.

        But a lot of it seems really revealing, particularly given what can now be ascertained about how ho much Hubbard, Sr. was influenced by Aleister Crowley and his time practicing Theleman magick with Jack Parsons, supported by more recently revealed information like the Affirmations.

        Is there any [ETA: detailed] commentary on how to take what’s said in the interview, then?

        • Supper Powers

          Yes. “Nibs was exaggerating in that interview, so be aware of it.”
          -Tony Ortega.

      • Mockingbird

        Nibs unreliable !!? He has that Hubbard honesty ! Seriously, he was confused and as you said a troubled soul.

      • Bob Crouch

        The parallels between Nibs–statements followed by recantations–and Marty are truly, ahem, remarkable!

    • grundoon

      Never sure how much to believe from Nibs. I take it all with a helping of salt.

      Supposedly he left an unpublished memoir which backs up some of his wilder stories. Only grandson Jamie has seen it.

      • Robert Eckert

        Jamie read some of it at the Flag Down conference. Nibs was clearly not in the best of mental health by the time he wrote it.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Somewhere deep in the bowels of OSA tonight, forensic image nerds are parsing this:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/045938f22fdf8386eaef329b0ae3d4a46459db475fae63836fb1c460f5ecf0b4.jpg

    Pan reflected in Texas’ green glasses!
    First time my photo as an adult shows up on the Bunker ๐Ÿ™‚
    Parse that, suckers ๐Ÿ™‚

  • PattyCakenfeld

    Part 21 — I now understand Chinese water torture.

  • Serena Romeo

    Did I misunderstand or did Marty say in the new video (21) that the hole didn’t exist?

    • Jimmy3

      I don’t think Marty exists anymore.

      • Puget Buckeye

        I’m starting to question exactly how many Martys there are. There seems to be multiple personalities going on here. Or something.

      • iampissed

        Maybe he has gone external…..maybe the first clear?
        ETA:….show me one!

      • Ella Raitch

        He exteriorised three feet up his small intestine

    • PeaceMaker

      See my response to Tony’s post. Rathbun didn’t address what was going on before John Brousseau’s account of a later period.

    • UhLasare

      “…as early as April 2010, the only significant “defector” from high up in Scientology that ever said anything or spoke out after 2009 was John Brousseau. And I arranged for John Brousseau to speak with the FBI.

      And John Brousseau told the FBI, ‘I have seen no violence on behalf of David Miscavige or anybody else at the upper levels of Scientology. I have seen no evidence of anything resembling this thing they called the Hole, for several, for the several years that I’d been there since most of these people left.’

      None of this stuff, that was the advertised crux of the FBI investigation, existed. The only percipient witness, the only person who was in a position to know, and a position to see, who was speaking on behalf of the complainants, said, “there’s no there there.” And that, in effect, was the end of the FBI investigation…”

  • iampissed

    Looking forward to seeing everyone end of this week.

    • Me too! Bring your light rain gear. Looks like summer showers are a possibility. 20%. Not bad and in the 80s and 90s. Hoping for some thunder and lightning!

      • iampissed

        No…no. Rain in the 80s to a S Cally guy is magical. Shirt be damed.
        OK…I need to add….wet shirt be damed

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Wish I could…. ๐Ÿ™

      • iampissed

        I’d down vote but can’t

    • Ella Raitch

      Wow, that’s come around quickly. Have a blast everyone.

  • Narapoid
    • “Endlessly repeated by Rinder and the other outlets on the troll farms…”

      Okay, it’s not as if he hasn’t made himself clear in his blog comments, but it’s nice to have that in the open.

      Commando strike team standing by.

      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BtHbMlScVwY/hqdefault.jpg

      • Supper Powers

        How hurtful.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Many yucks! Thanks from all of us here on the troll farm who’ve been working hard for the troika to create and spread false narratives, we really enjoy seeing Mutty unmercifully skewered!

    • PattyCakenfeld

      The full text would obscure the image, but it should be: “…the things I’ve said in books, films, lawsuits, depositions, magazines, online articles, blogs, videos, emails, in person, skywriting and hieroglyphics.”

  • Supper Powers

    OT: sorry if it’s a repeat comment. Aaron did a new Q&A tonight.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vw6M77QdsuQ

    • Jimmy3

      Did she say yes???!?

      • Supper Powers

        Repeatedly.

        • Jimmy3

          Hey now. This is a PG-13 blog.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Since when??

            • Jimmy3

              Boobs

            • Puget Buckeye

              Did you just call someone a boob?

        • Robert Eckert

          Do Scientologist girls say “Oh Ron! Oh Ron!” or what?

          • Supper Powers

            Well, you just ruined the romance Robert. Thanks a lot!

            • Robert Eckert

              I was going to say, that must be offputting. Could explain why Scientology marriages often don’t last very long.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Goliath, I am in LOVE!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I love his Uber Driver story.
      I would love to know the story why the other passenger immediately cancelled his ride when he found out the driver was a scientologist.
      Goliath is so huge and floofy.

    • Newiga

      I’ve come to look forward to these Q&As. Aaron, you are the bee’s knees!

  • Bert Leahy has responded to Marty Rathbun.

    https://twitter.com/bertleahy/status/876953719853764608

    • Baby

      I met with Bert Leahy… Marty hung him out to dry. We were in a home ( I won’t disclose) and I met he and his wife.. His wife is absolutely beautiful. Wow.

  • Independent Scientology News blocked by Marty Rathbun.

    https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/877019291329155072

  • Puget Buckeye

    OK, I’m going in. I’m gonna watch #21. If you don’t hear back from me, just know that I think you’re all really cool and I’ve probably lost my mind. Or something.

    • Robert Eckert

      Thanks for taking the hit for us. I stopped way back.

      • Puget Buckeye

        OK, I’m back. And I learned a few things. First and foremost, this is a “troll farm”. I never knew such a thing existed, but I suddenly feel the need to run out and get some troll seeds. Oh, and Marty was giving advise to the FBI. Damn, he’s smart.

        • Bleuler

          Troll farming was once a noble pursuit that enriched the ordinary people. Liberals and their friends the International Bankers managed to ruin the troll farmers through excessive legislation, Luckily the new president will Make Troll Farming Great Again and soon trolls will once more romp through the verdant fields of the midwest.

          • Robert Eckert

            Thanks to our friends for continuing to cultivate heirloom varieties of troll which otherwise were in danger of extinction, but can now be reintroduced to their former habitat.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I stopped after the first one.
        I don’t feel the need to feed his attention whoring or give him an audience for his lie- filled venom.
        If someone wants to crash and burn and destroy all their credibility, support and friendships, then that is their choice.

  • GrangerFX

    I wonder if YouTube’s new policies against inflammatory religious content will be applied to anti-Scientology videos?

    “…we will be taking a tougher stance on videos that do not clearly violate our policies โ€” for example, videos that contain inflammatory religious or supremacist content. In future these will appear behind an interstitial warning and they will not be monetised, recommended or eligible for comments or user endorsements. That means these videos will have less engagement and be harder to find. We think this strikes the right balance between free expression and access to information without promoting extremely offensive viewpoints.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-19/google-promises-bury-questionable-content

    • PattyCakenfeld

      Thanks, Granger FX.

      It’s an interesting policy, and good luck to YouTube staffers having to moderate that.

      Naturally, I think the vast majority of anti-scientology videos are fairly sedate and straightforward, but one person’s thoughtful reflection is another’s inflammatory-havingness. I would expect the cult to submit complaints.

      • GrangerFX

        My thoughts exactly. I bet Yingling does not waste even one second demanding that YouTube take down every “inflammatory” video that even mentions Scientology. The problem is that once YouTube goes down this road they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Their solution has always been to use the same rules for everyone even if it makes no sense.

  • Baby

    Penny Lane2 weeks ago ( On YOUTUBE)
    Jesus.. it’s easier to get out of Scientology than it is for Amber to get rid & away from Matt!๏ปฟ
    92 upvotes..
    ……………………………
    Just getting ready for bed.. came across this and wanted to share.. ( Amber and Matt are on Teen Mom OG and they fight like crazy and she’s always trying to leave him)

    (and NOT one comment by a lame Scn. ) All commenters laughed about it.

    Doin laundry for HC.. been out and about all day.. see you tomorrow.. love Bae

  • Mockingbird

    Let’s predict future revelations from Marty Rathbun’s latest videos. On episode 35 he can deny Scientology exists and on episode 50 he can deny he exists. On episode 100 he can deny all reality and knowledge and existence. Easy peasy.

    • Bleuler

      I can see Marty developing a Cotard delusion, of course he wouldn’t like it to be called that, evil psychs and all.

      • richelieu jr

        You mean, L Ron Hubbard’s stupendous discovery of the ‘True’ meaning of Mr Cotard’s Delusion, I suppose?

        Well, Marty has even improved upon that!

        It is now named Mark “Marty’ Rathbun’s Hubtard Delusion (mark iii)!

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    I just listened to last week’s 13 o’clock podcast with Angry Gay Pope (second time he was a guest at this podcast) and it’s fun listening.
    It’s mainly about the Twin Peeks secret base and the empty Ideal Orgs as well as some fun AGP anecdotes.
    I recommend it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_RK692GxTo&t=540s

  • Vault Digger

    Marty Rathbun 2017: “The Hole does not exist”

    Marty Rathbun 2009:

    I have hard evidence that Miscavigeโ€™s response to my having left was to have the doors to the Hole (ref: St Petersburg Times series) barred and welded shut. He created a literal prison where the majority of the international managers of the Church of Scientology remained locked up for months, and in some cases, even years.

    https://markrathbun.blog/2009/09/03/dm-yscohb/

    • Newiga

      *rolls eyes* The Rubicon has been crossed many times now.

      • richelieu jr

        Fucking Rubicon looks like a Rubick’s Cube by now, with ‘tic-tac-toe scribbles on all the squares.

        It is as if MC Escher had designed a river of BS.

    • richelieu jr

      Methinks ol’ Marty is another of the breed of normally cowardly wannabee mythomaniacs who have been encouraged to come out of their holes and begin spouting streams of endlessly probable lies, prevarication, misinformation, disinformation and bigly explosions of self-promotion and sleazy, reprehensible attacks nick-named enemies.

      Apparently, if Marty had seen his shadow on 2 February, he would have crawled back into his Saddam-stye spider-hole, but he’d got so puffed up on outrage, self-importance that he either couldn’t se the shadow over his ego’s even bigger shadow, or else he simply didn’t recognize it, as his self-image has slid so very far away from anything resembling cartesian ‘reality’.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
  • Eivol Ekdal

    Marty has a tell.

    • richelieu jr

      Yes EE, I have noticed as well.

      Unfortunately he also has a ‘Never Stop Telling ‘Ball-Out BS” as well.

      They are both the same he appears to be breathing and his lips are moving.

  • FleaT

    The next time someone finds a surveillance camera aimed at their property, they should leave it in place and covertly put up their own camera aimed at that one. Then you can see who is coming to change the batteries or check the footage. That would net more information than just pulling the camera or letting on to the fact that you discovered it.