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Scientology goes into full smear mode in reaction to Leah Remini getting 2nd season

 
We’ve noted in the past that when it came to Leah Remini, Scientology wasn’t following its usual retaliation playbook. After Leah’s defection from the church became public in July 2013, and then she filed a missing person report on Shelly Miscavige (the vanished wife of church leader David Miscavige), and then in 2015 came out with a best-selling book about leaving Scientology titled Troublemaker, frankly, we were pretty surprised that the church limited its response to a few dismissive and catty statements by church spokespeople.

Even after Leah developed a hit series about Scientology at the A&E network this past fall and Scientology finally put up a website dedicated to attacking the people who appeared on her show, the page aimed at Leah herself felt half-hearted, and Leah cooperated with us to take it on pretty effectively.

Meanwhile, at other pages on that same website, people like Mary Kahn and the Reisdorf family were attacked brutally with the usual treatment we’re used to seeing from Scientology, with information dug up by private investigators and videos featuring robotic Scientologists denouncing their own family members.

It’s sick stuff, it’s par for the course for Scientology, and it’s generally completely ineffective. Very few people take Scientology’s smears seriously. But the point of them, Mike Rinder has told us (and he would know, having overseen Scientology’s secret police, the Office of Special Affairs, OSA) is to create a sense of dread in the target so debilitating that they stop their public criticism of the church.

Despite a hit TV show, a best-selling book, and tons of press, Leah Remini had generally escaped that kind of treatment. Until now.

Many of us in the Scientology watching community — ex-Scientologists or not — were recipients yesterday of emails from dummy OSA accounts directing us to the Remini attack site, which now has two new pages attacking Remini herself in the most vicious ways possible.

There’s a page, for example, where you can read salacious details from her husband Angelo Pagan’s court fights with previous wives who included swipes at Leah in their court declarations. But anticipating such attacks, Leah laid out her private life in pretty good detail in her book, Troublemaker. We doubt that people will make much of the fact that her husband’s previous wives didn’t like her. What does that have to do with the allegations she’s making about Scientology in Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath?

But the most surprising attack on Remini that’s been added to the church’s website is a video interview with someone who was once very close to Leah, her friend Stacy Francis, a singer and veteran of numerous talent-show reality TV series, most recently her stint on Celebrity Big Brother in the UK. A sample…

 

 
We’re very familiar with Francis. She’s a longtime Scientologist who, for example, sang for Tom Cruise on his 42nd birthday that was held on Scientology’s cruise ship the Freewinds in 2004…

 

 
Francis was later the source of controversy when she appeared on what was then Simon Cowell’s new talent show X-Factor promoting the idea that she was an untrained singer who had been held back because she was a victim of domestic violence. That background turned out mostly to be a fabrication, we found out. And based on the reporting we’ve done on her over the years, we know something about how much she was supported by her good friend, Leah Remini.

It was Remini who was in the delivery room as Francis gave birth to her second child after her affair with Bishop Noel Jones, brother of musician Grace Jones, who acknowledged later that he was the little girl’s father. It was Remini, however, who took Francis in and helped her retain a lawyer to obtain child support, and then later helped her move into a good apartment near a charter school where she wanted her children to attend classes.

Meanwhile, Francis has only sometimes admitted that she’s actually a longtime Scientologist. But now that Remini has her second season, Francis answered the call and sat for a video for the attack website. We’re going to provide the entire transcript of the video, as awful as it is, because we think it may get a lot of attention. (Even William Shatner has reacted to the attack website, as you’ll see below.) Here’s what Francis had to say…

 

 

She disparages black people. She disparages — she talks, she talks disparagingly about anybody she, she basically feels like she’s the queen of the world, like, I’m the — she’s the star, she has everybody around her kissing her butt, and she just says disparaging things about people all the time.

She called my son a ‘niglet,’ which is like junior, like ‘nigger.’ I had no idea that she was so evil this way, and the stories I started to hear that she would say that I lived in a really dirty home, and she was just talking really negatively and horribly about me to others. And everybody started coming to me and telling me these things and I was devastated. And I didn’t even know that this was how she really felt about me. I could tell, here and there, she would say really nasty things to me, covertly, to me, and we would get into big fights. And, we would fight and make up, fight and make up. It was like I was in an abusive relationship.

She was very antagonistic, all the time. She was very, very intimidating. She could definitely rip into somebody bad, like she definitely had an attitude — I saw her and her husband fight a couple of times and it was like, wow. And then I, you know, of course, we all know that he cheated on her many times, you know, and it’s like, you know, I don’t want to say I could understand how he cheated on her because it’s not OK for anybody to cheat on his wife, but she wasn’t very loving toward him. I never saw them being loving. I always saw her fighting or screaming at him, or snapping at him or being disparaging or, you know, it was just very disgusting how she treated people.

There were moments when that little devil would come out. You know, I remember I went to her house, and they were showing my audition, as a preview for the promotion for X-Factor. And her husband said, that I was going to lose. And they started laughing. You’re not going to win. You’re not going to win the X-Factor so, just get ready for it. And they were laughing. And it was really covert and kind of nasty. And it was kind of like, and it made me feel like somebody threw up on me spiritually, and I was kind of like, wow. And then I started to recount all the times they would say little things like that, little digs. “You’re not going to make it.” I would show her pictures of homes that I liked and she’s like, “Oh, you’ll never own that home. You’ll never own that home, Stacy rent is coming up, you need to go get a waitressing job,” when she would know that I would be going on tour to sing or, you know. So, I started seeing it after the fact, because sometimes you’re so close to it and you’re so in it that you really don’t see how horrible it is until you get completely apart from it. So I don’t miss it. I don’t miss it and I did not want to ever speak her name again. She was completely dead to me.

I pleaded with her and she didn’t even answer me. She’s the one who disconnected from people all the time. She would change her number all the time. Every time, as soon as she got upset with somebody she wouldn’t talk to them anymore. This was her way. This was her modus operandi. So now she’s trying to flip it, to make herself be the victim.

For her to go around and say, oh, you know I’m so devastated, the godmother, I’m the godmother of my friend’s, you know, children, and she disconnected from me and she hurt me. That’s bull.

A friend of mine wanted to go to her restaurant, to have breakfast. Now, someone from out of town who, you know, a public guy, he doesn’t know me, he doesn’t know my relationship with Leah. He doesn’t even know that Leah is the owner of the restaurant. He says, I want to go eat at this particular restaurant. And I said, OK. I said, I really don’t want to go there, but he was, come on I want to have these pancakes, they’re so good. So I go there, and her sister asks me to leave. Her sister asked me to leave the restaurant. And I’m like, what is this, Alabama 1958? You want the blacks to leave? Like, what are you talking about? It was like, you gotta go.

I’m super blessed that she’s not in my life any more. Because she’s shown us who she is.

She herself has been on video saying, “The church has helped me. It’s given me all the tools I have.” She said it herself. And now we’re all sitting here, she doesn’t have the church anymore, and here she is, the evil that she is, being unleashed, because we’re not connected to her anymore. She’s — no one can tell me, I’ve known this girl for almost 15 years. You cannot tell me for one second that she in her quiet time is not freaking out, devastated, and completely lost.

 
Remini declined to comment about the allegations made by Francis. But her co-star, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder, did have something to say.

“Stacy is trying to protect the only people who treat her like she is actually a celebrity — Scientologists. She is a nobody in the real world, but in the Scientology bubble she gets to sing for Tom Cruise. That is something vitally important for her,” he says. “Like everyone else in these Korean POW style videos, they are all about what a rotten person the target is. Though hers is pretty weak — the basic gist of her rant is that Leah was not ‘nice’ and not friendly. Funny, that didn’t bother her when she was taking handouts. And of course, Stacy does not address any of the abuses that Leah has talked about or were exposed on the show. Her entire message is ‘Leah Remini isn’t a nice person….’ Odd, every single person I’ve met who isn’t being sat in front of a camera like a ventriloquist’s dummy controlled by Scientology says the exact opposite about Leah, even though Leah never claimed to be an angel — anyone who has read her book knows she laid it out right on page one in anticipation of this sort of response. Even so, it’s exactly what they do because they know no other way — literally. Scientology’s effort is always to imply that if they allege a person is not nice, then nothing they say is true. But like I said, compared to what they say about me, and Amy Scobee and Marc and Claire Headley and Tom DeVocht and, and, and… this is pretty weak sauce. Stacy Francis is a nobody going nowhere. She got the boot from Celebrity Big Brother House in the UK which was her last ‘job.’ She can only remain ‘important’ in the shrinking world of Scientology by doing their bidding. How come they didn’t roll out the real celebrities? Where is Tom? John? Kirstie? Jenna? They’re too scared to say anything because they all have agents and publicists who are telling them not to go near the shit sandwich that is Scientology. So, they get the benchwarmer from the D team to step up. Its only use is for Scientologists — if anyone in the US recognizes her at all (and I would suspect that is almost nobody) it will be as the ‘drama queen’ who cried all the time on the X Factor.”

We have to admit, it’s pretty surprising, after all this time since Remini’s defection from Scientology was first announced at this very website, to see the church now retaliating at her the way it has against Ron Miscavige and Mike Rinder and so many others.

As always, it only goes to prove that the things being said about the church by its former members are true. Scientology leader David Miscavige is still following the same playbook for how to treat church critics that founder L. Ron Hubbard laid down in various policies written between 1955 and 1968. Scientology never changes. And it never will.

 
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William Shatner on Leah Remini

We’ll just put these two tweets here for your consumption, Bill Shatner fans…


 
A closer look at that emoji Bill used to describe the Scientology smear site…

 

 
UPDATE: Speaking of Twitter, Kirstie’s on a roll this morning…

 









 
SECOND UPDATE: And now the Elfmans on Carolla? People, this is an all-hands-on-deck Miscavige operation, no question. Is Cruise next?

 

 
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Prosecution against Scientologist filmmakers falls apart

Last November we laid out the very serious criminal charges that were facing a filmmaker and a former insurance executive who had met in Scientology and then had financed a movie together that had badly flopped. Film director Dror Soref and his insurer on the project, Michelle Seward, were accused of using a Ponzi scheme to raise $21.5 million for the 2009 Simon Baker film, Not Forgotten, that took in only $142,055 at the box office. At that time, the two were facing 75 years each in prison as a preliminary hearing was about to get under way.

But now, as explained in an excellent Courthouse News piece by Matt Reynolds, all charges have been dropped against Soref after Seward worked out a deal to provide testimony against him.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor found that prosecutors had taken too much time to bring charges against Soref, who had spent five months in jail before the trial. According to Reynolds, Soref is now considering filing litigation after his ordeal.

 
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Losing a HowdyCon friend

We’re sad to say that one of the people who joined us in Cleveland at last year’s first HowdyCon won’t be joining us for the second convention. On March 15, Darren Desepoli died of a massive heart attack, according to his sister. We believe he was only 52 years old.

Darren was a former Scientologist who not only attended HowdyCon (and posted here as “Flying High”), he was interested in trying to help former church members reunite to help them cope with what they’d been through. As recently as December 16, we received an email from him explaining how he was helping numerous former church members make contact with each other.

Darren’s central passion, however, was maintaining an online tribute to the author Alex Haley. Haley’s grandson, Bill Haley, posted this tribute to Darren on Facebook…

In honor of Darren Desepoli – My brother-from-another-mother… My heart is broken with grief and sorrow over your all-to-sudden homegoing from your earthly presence to the heavens above. I’m especially saddened by the pain of your loss by your sister Pia, your niece, nephew and family – whom I’ve had the pleasure of being welcomed so warmly into your family home a few years ago on a cold winter’s night. My prayers go out to you Pia, your children, and your entire family. I pray you take comfort in Matthew 5:4, which says β€œGod blesses those people who grieve. They will find comfort!” Your brother was an extraordinary man – a humanitarian, whose display of humility, grace, kindness, and love for others was without bounds, and will be missed dearly. His contribution as a “digital griot” and contribution to the life history and public legacy of my grandfather Alex Haley cannot be adequately conveyed in words. Darren’s loving creation and curation of the Alex Haley Tribute website is a masterpiece of digital storytelling, that our entire family will always treasure, and hope to preserve in Darren’s memory. We extend our sincerest condolences, prayers, and God’s blessings of comfort for your family’s profound loss.

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,693 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,796 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,290 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,330 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,042 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 509 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,627 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,797 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,117 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,092 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 448 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,750 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 857 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,259 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,132 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 713 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,218 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,462 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,571 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 18, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
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  • HelluvaHoax!

    Stacy is an OT.

    Total cause–over something, not sure exactly what.

    http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy357/bankofphotos/Screen%20Shot%202017-03-18%20at%205.26.39%20PM_zpsozctskre.png

    Yeah, okay, so I already know I am going to hell for that post. So what? LOL

    • OOkpik

      ‘Cause I bin beaten up an disrespectid.
      ‘Cause I be black, you don’t like me.
      ‘Cause I hurt more than you do.
      ‘Cause life is no fair to me an you a bitch.
      ‘Cause you jealous of my talent an you is a nobody.
      ‘Cause you mean to me an I’m gonna beachu up/
      ‘Cause of my religion.
      ‘Cause…
      ‘Cause…
      ‘Cause…

      Very OT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • salin

      *gasp* her performance stands on its own for the cray cray.

      Spending most of my professional life in Urban education – and working with many talented students – who have to deal with confronting attitudes that assume black = ebonics = dumb = if get into college it must be affirmative actions etc. etc. etc.

      Same point could have been made based on her ravings in the video. Adding dialogue that is so damning (of the writer – but your commentary in your post knows that and doesn’t care) is denigrating – if not to you, than to this community.

      No LOL here.

      • Jimmy3

        It’s just a Dr. Phil meme based on a white girl. Just yesterday at least 5 people asked me to cash dem ousside how bou daht

        • salin

          Damn it Jimmy, just when I hit omg (not quite outrage/but disbelief), you give me a bit of comical performance art that makes me laugh. Wait, why did I write that as a bad thing? Guess we don’t always like letting go of that moment of outrage/disbelief – but I *do* appreciate it.

          Thanks. Even when I am not around so much – you still recognize such a moment, and give me that tweak that startles, then makes me laugh.

          • Jimmy3

            I like that, but it really is a Dr. Phil meme. He collects them.

            • salin

              If I ask this am I going to feel dumb for not googling, but really?

            • Jimmy3

              Yes, really. Check it out

            • salin

              Thx.

            • Jimmy3

              I still get to keep your compliment about performance art tho. That’s still part of the deal. I collect them.

            • salin

              Absolutely, as it isn’t the first time. I appreciate your humor.

    • dungeon master

      Damnation is not a part of my belief system. (Stolen from the underrated Jack Nicholson film ‘Wolf’). My favorite euphemism for death comes from ‘ The Last Starfighter’ ‘Death is such a primitive concept. I prefer to think of it as fighting evil in another dimension.’

      • Missionary Kid

        I don’t believe in hell or heaven, and I am a person raised with plenty of hellfire and damnation.

        I have a soft spot in my heart for The Last Starfighter. My oldest was 14 when I took my kids to see the film, and I enjoyed it as an adult.

        • dungeon master

          IKR? It’s a classic!

          • Missionary Kid

            It really is a sweet, childish adventure and love story, obviously written to take advantage of the early video game craze.

            It was one of the last films made by Robert Preston, whose film career stretched nearly 50 years. He also starred on Broadway.

            • dungeon master

              He was perfect in that roll!!

            • He’s good on toast, too.

            • EmmaDaoust

              I love Robert Preston.

        • That and Enemy Mine. Gossett should have been nominated for an Oscar for that.

          • Missionary Kid

            Gossett took an essentially wordless role and nailed it.

            • He gave that character so much emotion and still kept a sense of alieness.

      • Rasha

        Last Starfighter…. I still look over my shoulder for my Beta Unit….. ^_^

    • salin

      Corrected – understand the meme now. Apologies.

      • HelluvaHoax!

        hey hey, totally understand. I should have realized that the MEME was not known by all. No apology needed, we are cool!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    RIP, Chuck. As a tribute to your talent, for the rest of the day I promise I will B. Goode.

  • downtherabbithole

    Dear lord I am being tortured. Watching how chocolate covered caramels with sea salt are made & I have nothing.

    • UhLasare

      I’ve had to give up dairy and sugar lately, doctors orders. Sooooooo horrible!

  • salin

    Look at all these comments today, I am sure there are even more readers – all sparked by our proprietor’s installment (and updates) to the Underground Bunker. If you haven’t yet, remember to click recommend (just below the comments count.) Certainly there are at least (150) upvotes for today’s installment?

    Just hitting the point in the year where Northern lights become rare (activity still happens, but the days are getting longer per light which makes the time to see the lights (due to a dark sky) shorter/more rare – but here is a shot from Fair Banks yesterday which captures the rare ‘reds’ in the aurora. A little sugar (image) with the medicine (reminder – if you haven’t upvoted today’s UB, do so now!)

    http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=133891&PHPSESSID=dg1slrthlsj6296e3ffo0b9op5

    • Missionary Kid

      One reason we had so many comments is that we had a troll drop in, and, while it’s a good policy to not feed the troll, we haven’t had one to play with for a while. They even attacked Phil Jones, but he gave better than he got.

      I couldn’t resist myself. My tactic to see if they really are a $cientologist is to post a whole bunch of entheta about LRH: he was a bigamist, convicted swindler (Alaska, writing bad checks), and a fake Navy hero.

      They never reply to posts like that.

      • salin

        Thanks MK, I always appreciate reading your posts. Yes, the troll pumped up the conversation – esp. because of the confrontation the troll had with Phil.

  • Missionary Kid

    FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO FIND THAT A THEATER SHOWING My Scitntology Movie IS TOO FAR AWAY, HERE’S HOW YOU CAN SEE IT.

    Someone posted much earlier that they were able to watch My Scitntology Movie on demand from their cable company. I have discovered that it is also available for about $8.00 on DirecTV.

    If you live far from where My Scitntology Movie check with your local cable or satellite TV provider. You will be able to see it that way. If you don’t have a TV or cable or satellite TV service, find a friend who does.

    • Techie

      You can also rent it on Amazon (not sure if you have to have Amazon Prime). When I rented it on Amazon for $6.99 it appeared on my Roku box, so I was able to see it that way with no cable subscriptions. Or you can stream it on a PC from Amazon.

      • Missionary Kid

        Thank you. The more Bunkeroos and others away from the big cities that get to see it, the better.

      • ReallyMGM

        I think it is on iTunes now too.

        • Liberated

          It’s on comcast for $7.99…I already pay so much for cable just can’t justify the cost.
          Maybe later it will cost less.

          • Missionary Kid

            If you wait, it will show up on one of the pay per view channels. I was planning on driving to L.A. to see it, but this will save me 200 miles and 4 hours of driving to and from L.A., although the Searchlight theaters are a great place to watch it. Besides, I’ll pop my own popcorn and drink anything I want while viewing it. I don’t have Cinemax or Showtime or Starz, so that makes it affordable.

            • Liberated

              I have showtime and hbo and I didn’t see what channel is was so maybe if I wait it will be on a station that I already pay for.

            • Missionary Kid

              It’s not on those channels yet, but I’m sure it will be.

          • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

            Sometimes if you’re a long-time subscriber to a service, they will give you a discount on a subscription or movie if you ask them to.

            • Liberated

              Good to know.

        • MarcabExpat

          For rental only, in North America. If you want to buy it you have to have an Austrailian iTunes account πŸ™

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m willing to rent it just to see it. It is a two day rental.

    • Gflded

      That’s how I saw it…there was not an option to purchase though..wish there was.

    • Elegant Mess

      It is rentable on iTunes, as well. I believe for $6.99.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      We rented and streamed it here at home. Worked just fine.

  • Susan B.

    William Shatner Tweets!!!! Thank you Tony I’m enjoying the vicarious thrill of this brush with fame. Woo hoooo! Kewl-ness. : )

    • Rasha

      IKR??

      • Susan B.

        How about combining HowdyCon with a Trekkie Conv?

        • Missionary Kid

          We’re interesting enough as it is. Why ignore the Star War fans among us? There’s enough space opera in $cientology for me.

          • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

            “The classic space opera series Lensman started in 1937, and since then, just like Thomas Jefferson before it, fought injustice and left enough bastard children around to populate a small city.

            Every sci-fi series with some sort of space police owes something to Lensman, from the Jedi Knights of Star Wars to Buzz Lightyear. If it has space policemen then it’s ripping off Lensman or ripping off something that ripped it off first. The apple that fell closest to the tree was the Green Lantern Corps.”

            From Cracked(dot) com

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a87bd64cbfe0ac7a5e5499d03c0a26195ebdebc9793930acd7e577f6f850267e.jpg

            We could have a Xenucon, “Boldly going where no OT has gone before.”

            • Missionary Kid

              *Laughing*
              Did you get sick after I visited? I hope not.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              No, you probably were in the stage of your infection where you weren’t shedding viruses into the environment around you.

              I try to get some sun everyday because of my wife’s own issues with Vitamin D, and have recently learned that the blue part of the solar spectrum has been shown to have a positive effect on what are called Killer T Cells, which are an important component of the immune system.

              Thanks for asking.

            • Missionary Kid

              The next people I visited also got sick at the same time I did, but I had it much worse. My son and his family didn’t get sick.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              I was looking it up in the Wiki, and since the incubation period is short(1 to 2 days), it’s much more likely that your friends got infected by another source other than you.

              It also mentions transmission by physical contact, like handshakes. Since I use a little rubbing alcohol in a bottle as a cheap sanitizer for my hands, it’s possible that kept me from getting your infection if you were shedding viruses at the time. As for your son, it’s possible he either was an asymptotic infected case, as happens to 1/3rd of all cases, again according to the Wiki, or his immune system was able to fight it off.

            • Susan B.

              Nice. What year is that Green Lantern/Planet of the Apes?

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA
            • Susan B.

              A parody of a cover. Huh. How about that. Comic book fans intrigue me. I once sat in a movie theater next to the owner of what is probably one of the best comic book stores in the SF Bay Area.

            • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

              There are little bits in there, like the Lawgiver approval where the America Comics Authority stamp is located on original cover. There was a shop in downtown San Jose until the 1989 Loma Prieta quake brought down the liquor store nearby which caused the whole block it was located in to be redeveloped.

          • Susan B.

            So right you are. And with Zenu too boot!

    • Liberated

      Shatner’s on our side. Yay!

      • Joe

        and if anyone knows a space opera, I’d trust Captain Kirk over Hubbard anyday.

        • Missionary Kid

          PERFECT! “and if anyone knows a space opera, I’d trust Captain Kirk over Hubbard anyday.”

    • UhLasare

      I have to admit I love him, lol. I have a huge crush on TOS Kirk. 😍

  • Ben Franklin

    OT: Jenna and Bodhi Elfman on Adam Carolla show talking about Scientology critics and criticism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLjVzBPyju0

    • Joe

      Let me guess, it falls along the lines of “I’ve only had good experiences/it really helped me/go pick up a book and find out what its about/anyone who criticizes it is angry or corrupt or biased”?

      Did I hit all the marks?

    • JaxNGold

      Adam Carolla clearly has absolutely no knowledge of the vile, despicable abuses that go on within $cientology. What a putz.

      • Joe

        He should, Leah was on his show and told him all about it.

        • JaxNGold

          No kidding? I didn’t realize that. So why is he pretending not to know, I wonder?

    • Tony Ortega

      Stacy Francis, Kirstie Alley, The Elfmans — this is what a coordinated David Miscavige operation looks like, people. He is REALLY freaking out about Leah’s second season, and a certain law enforcement investigation, I have a feeling.

      • TexasBroad

        It is fun to watch. He’s even going to let Kirstie speak – gasp!

      • Missionary Kid

        Enturbilate much?

        Roll out the D list celebs.

      • Rasha

        Stop convincing me to doubt solid authoritative sources….

      • Joe

        Wow, it didn’t even consider that he would be behind it all but it makes perfect sense.

        EDIT: If a Francis-Alley-Elfman offensive is the best he could offer then Scientology is in more trouble than I thought.

      • flyonthewall

        what makes this investigation different than past ones that fizzled out?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        He should freak out. The times have changed enough that ex-Scientologists who know and participated in actual criminal acts and cover-ups are coming out of the woodwork as a direct result of Leah’s and Rinder’s show.

        This stuff coming out is not civil suit material that can be litigated to death and bankrupt people into giving in or settling.

        No, this is criminal acts, conspiracy to commit criminal acts, criminal conspiracy to cover-up criminal acts, criminal manipulation of judges, prosecutors, police, sheriff offices and executive branch.

        Once it is out of the bag, that stuff is not going to fly with the uncorrupted L.E.O., or even the corrupted ones who missed out on the take.

        Leah’s show is a “Go Directly To Jail” draw for the top Scientology Monopoly players. That includes DM, and whoever his go-to guy of the moment is, as well as his counsel and anyone else involved.

        It may take a while. But as you can tell, I’m hopeful.

      • sizzle8

        Any news on the laptop?

        • Tony Ortega

          Hopefully soon. Waiting on a guy.

      • Mockingbird

        I don’t hold out hope for the Danny Masterson case yet. Miscavige may see people moving against him which I obviously don’t. His D list celebrities don’t scare me, but what do I know ?

      • Mockingbird

        Why doesn’t Miscavige ever use his biggest guns in Tom Cruise and John Travolta ? Or would they say no ?

        • Tony Ortega

          I think he’s really worried about Leah’s second season. So keep your eyes peeled. I wouldn’t be surprised for Cruise and/or Travolta to suddenly “open up” about Scientology with a friendly reporter.

          • Second episode of The Arrangement is out, btw.

            • flyonthewall

              Tony hates The Arrangement

            • I hate Resident Evil movies, but watched 2 of them today. It’s one of those things. Must be a soundtrack or something.

          • MarcabExpat

            Wowie. Do you think Tom will feel relaxed enough to talk candidly about his inner method for doing his own stunts?

          • madame duran

            A repeat Matt Lauer-type showdown, a panicky Miscavige and a second season of Leah Remini’s “Aftermath”. My cup runneth over.

            I need to order more popcorn.

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          • Mockingbird

            With vague statements like Travolta has in the past or actually taking Leah Remini on directly ?

        • Because they have smart publicists and agents.

          • Mockingbird

            You mean smart enough to tell them not to join Miscavige ?

            • It’s like House Of Cards, Hollywood and Scientology combined, basically.

    • PeaceMaker

      Thanks for that.
      I love how Scientologists often manage to lead with a statement that lives up to Hubbard’s claim that “the overt doth speakly loudly in accusation” (or, criminals accuse others of what they themselves are up to).
      Jenna: “it’s really actually a small group of people, but they are very very talented at making it seem bigger…that it’s more widespread”
      It seems to me that after that, Adam manages to pretty effectively distract the conversation with his own abstract riff about putting controversies in perspective, until they get back to just a bit more about Scientology and other religious practices. The Elfmans were not actually very effective at getting in much meaningful about Scientology.

    • Lots of solid, scoffing comments.

    • madame duran

      You need Scientology to better understand another religion? Arrogance.

      Again with the claim of SPs being only a “small number” of people (note: there never seems to be a small number of BTs or “psychs” though. Many years and hundreds of thousands of dollars later, Scientologists are still affected by them. Signs of a MONEY SCAM running smoothly.). If the numbers are few, then why does the cult invest so much resources and attention to them? Is this a tacit admission that Scientology critics are a potent and effective force?

      “You probably couldn’t be a religion that was bombing people and do Scientology”
      But you can be a COMPULSIVE LIAR and do Scientology, no problem.

      “Atheists can enjoy what they’re doing already and enjoy their kids…” (Elfman describing the communication benefits that Scientology offers regardless of one’s religion or the lack thereof)
      Funny how plenty of current and ex-Scientology members are unable to “enjoy their kids” because of disconnection. Phil and Willie Jones, for example.

      Adam Corolla’s depiction of Scientology as a minor concern (equating it to pets getting cancer while living in a home filled with second-hand smoke) is beyond insensitive. In his opinion, kids growing up without a father is a greater social problem. Had he bothered to give a f**k in doing some research, he’d realize the perils of parental absence exists within Scientology too but, of course, he falls back on the lazy retort of “it [Scientology] doesn’t affect me”. Idiot. This is the difference between those who just comment for the sake of mouthing off and those who seek to inform their audience. Leah Remini is doing the latter and the renewal of her docu-series is proof that her insights are valuable. Corolla can take a hike into oblivion.

    • daisy

      Bad bad bad Adam Carolla , you know how the church operates , took credit for not falling for it and then had Jenna and the poorman*s pony of Secretariate on . Bad Bad Adam You should be ashamed.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Before meeting up with Jenna and Bodhi, Adam was just an idiot, but now he’s $cn’s useful idiot…good job adam!

  • Liberated

    I recorded 20/20 last night and am watching it now…Truth and Lies The Family Manson.

    I thought I knew everything about the Manson murders, but every time I watch another show I gain insight into this horrific crime. This show has never before seen footage and videos of L Ron talking, and they’re saying maybe Manson did this because of his association with Sci.

    There’s also Rick Ross speaking about the cult mentality and how followers will do anything for the leader.
    I find this subject fascinating.

    • salin

      Missed it – will look for video of it.

    • Marshall

      I would also recommend the podcast “you must remember this”. She does a series about Manson and how he was intertwined in Hollywood. I really like her podcast about old Hollywood but especially thought the Manson part was fascinating.

      • Syd

        I absolutely love “You Must Remember This”, and yes, the Manson series is fantastic!

    • Missionary Kid

      LRH & Charlie Manson. Con man attracts murderous con man.

  • Username

    “Her sister asked me to leave the restaurant. And I’m like, what is this, Alabama 1958? You want the blacks to leave?”

    Stacey Francis can’t even figure out she was asked to leave because she’s an ass and not because she’s black. No one needs friends like this. Scrape this one off Leah. You did your service and helped where you could. As a fellow native New Yorker… I get the hard edge… but people like Stacey loose their shit. Don’t change Leah… keep fighting the good fight. So glad to hear about the second season. As Lincoln said… “With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in…”
    Godspeed Leah!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I am sorry to hear about Darren. Darren, you have left behind a lot of love and good deeds, that’s a wonderful legacy.

    May the road rise up to meet you.
    May the wind be always at your back.
    May the sun shine warm upon your face;
    the rains fall soft upon your fields
    and until we meet again,
    may God hold you in the palm of His hand.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Miscavige is becoming an aging attack dog, all drool and no teeth (except, unlike Miscavige, almost every attack dog can be rehabilitated to a loving animal). I am sure Leah has much better things to do than worry about his websites or use of actors and singers who most people can no longer remember. Leah is brilliantly, and doggedly, helping ex-members, educating viewers on scientology, and making the world stand up and notice how smart and how much of a leader she is. She was told to stop, it was explained to her, yet she persists.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’d still be very wary of him. He’s got a hell of a lot more money at his disposal than we all do, mountains of paranoia, and some really nasty minions.

  • daisy

    I am sorry about Darren. I do not believe I had very much interaction with him. 52 is a very young age to die ,iT must have been a shock He sounds like a wonderful bunkaroo . I am sorry I did not get to know him, To all those who were deeply touched by him and his story I offer my heartfelt sympathies.

  • Mick Roberts

    Out of curiosity, what do the Recommended hearts do? Do they generate a higher rank in a certain group of articles (like all Disqus articles) or something? I see some folks from time to time ask us to click on that (which I usually do lately, unless I forget to do it). Just curious how that helps or what it does to help promote these articles (if anything).

    • Missionary Kid

      The hearts give Disqus an idea about how much support a blog gets. The Bunker has to be one of the highest ones.

  • denise

    Wow, with friends like Stacy..Leah needs to thank God she got away from that loser.

    • TexasBroad

      I’m sure they made her make this video. It reads as very scripted for church purposes.
      Future Tony headline – “Stacy Francis Blows! Apologizes to Leah Remini and Joins “The Aftermath; Season 6”

  • Newiga

    R.I.P Chuck Berry 😭😭

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Hmmm so, in summary, America is bad, England is good. America is how/why Co$ is being criticized (but we won’t dare touch actual accusations) and she seems to forget that her religious utopia took a heavy hand to CO$ more than once as did some neighboring countries, all while the US officials hide their heads in the sand. Oh and back to Leah, bad stuff, greedy, admits lyentology works, she’s mean and Stacy’s just being a hero because a girl she met had concerned parents questioning her involvement in the cult. Lastly Leah asked her about how she acted when she left (probably not “why didn’t you come with” but more of “will we still be friends and I care about you so know if you want out, I’ll help you!” Yep, Stacy, she sounds positively abusive!!! πŸ™„

      • Is this the same country (my county) that refused L Ron Hubbard a visa after he tried to turn Saint Hill Manor into an English Clearwater, many years ago? That happened because of public outrage about the abuses he heaped on his own people, and the high-handed way in which he treated those he called ‘wogs’

        BTW – that’s a very offensive .racist epithet here – Ron must have been highly amused when he conned Scientologists into using it – or perhaps, in the early days, they really were that contemptuous of we degraded beings.

        Freedom of religious belief and expression does not trump other human rights – for example the right to a family life, which is routinely violated by the practice of disconnection.

        Perhaps someone should point out that we got sick of ‘Source’ and probably would have thrown him out, if he hadn’t left (and been refused re-entry).

        Maybe she think we English wogs are so dumb that, if you flatter us a bit, we will fall in line. Scientology’s response reveals delusion piled upon delusion.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Look at this inane reply to her post from one of those Jive Ace ass-clowns. I suppose it’s now Leah’s fault that their music is crap. Pssh!
        And I know for a fact that any healthy, red-blooded American man would love to have Leah handle their horn!
        (refresh)
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        • Jenyfurrrrr

          πŸ˜πŸ˜‚ I love catching up w/u IG!

        • Maybe if his instrument wasn’t so oily and greasy?

      • Interested2

        Please don’t export her to the UK….

    • Techie

      Intergalactic Walrus, any chance of posting a link or doing a copy-paste instead of a screen grab? I can’t do facebook and my browser refuses to let me download the image.

      • Intergalactic Walrus
        • Techie

          Got it, thanks!

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Here’s the text, in case someone can’t see Facebook either:

            Religious Intolerance – the misunderstanding of Scientology

            Scientology.

            Has there ever been such a broad, long-term, socially acceptable attack in modern times on any religion? Even with the idea of a Muslim ban, there are protests all over the world rising up against it. Yet, with Scientology, media outlets are spewing messages of hate about Scientology.

            The fact that a Scientologist can be ridiculed, made to feel ashamed, and have bigoted shows run on any network is shocking in a society that proclaims to be inclusive” or “tolerant”. It is reminiscent of the Jewish people in Germany having to hide who they really were for fear of persecution.

            I have been in London for the past six months. I think the biggest difference I have seen between Great Britain and America is the compassion from people and their ease
            to forgive.

            I think, as Americans, we have been so betrayed as a nation that we don’t trust truth. We no longer honor each other as we once did. There is joy in seeing the misfortune of others. I don’t experience this mindset in the UK and Europe.

            I find it disgraceful that we, as Americans, attack religion, or in any way tolerate anyone doing it. I don’t see this easing up. It has been happening for thousands of years, yet with the evolution of man we still allow a very primitive behavior.

            It’s such a personal decision who one worships, and yet some are ridiculed if they love a specific religion or even for their political views.

            Whatever happened to the idea that we should respect the religious beliefs of others? And why on earth would we support others who decide to attack any religious group?

            Before I go any further let’s look at this word religion. One of the three definitions is “a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion”. So, for all the critics who say Scientology is not a religion, well, yes, it is!

            Millions of us gain spiritual freedom and happiness from our religion and we follow it with great devotion. None of us are on psychiatric drugs nor are we raging alcoholics. We follow high moral and ethical principles. The reason we are seeking to live by these principles is to help others to be happy, and to try to help, in our way, to achieve sanity in a chaotic world.

            Leah Remini was the godmother to my children. I have known her for 20 years. She was in the hospital room when I delivered my daughter. I spent every holiday with her when I lived in Los Angeles for 17 years. I lived with her. I cried with her. And she was an opinion leader for me. She led me to Scientology in 2003 when I was at a very low point in my life. I found so much happiness in it. I found answers.

            But after a few years, in 2006, I stopped practicing Scientology, because I was in a relationship with someone who treated me very badly. The Church tried helping me to see he wasn’t a good man, but I refused to listen. I also stopped because I felt guilt as a Christian. I went back and forth for about 6 years. No one ever turned their back on me.

            Then, in 2012, when my life seemed to be falling apart I went back. I can honestly say it saved my life. I learned that you can be in any religion and Scientology is open to you. It was a very personal journey and I had to be honest to myself and to my church in order to come to realize who I am, really, and my full potential. I have been fully dedicated since then and I will remain so for the rest of my life.

            Leah wrote lies about me in her book, and worse, she is on a crusade against the Church. Now, I find this very interesting because she grew up in it, and she applied it to her life for over 30 years. She attributes the application of the technology of Scientology to her success in her career and finances. When I walked into her home I said to her, “What are you doing? I want a home like this. I want a marriage like this. I want this!” She attributed it all to Scientology.

            When I saw her recently, after she left our church, she admitted to me that her issues are not with the faith and application of the technology. She admitted that it works. But Leah is very thin-skinned, and something set her off. On television, she sells her rage as being about the religion, but the truth is it’s personal. At the bottom of all of her attacks and “help” she claims to be giving people is deep-seated resentment and her inflated ego.

            When I saw Leah I told her to stop using my name in her attacks. She asked me if the Church had told me to attack her. I have to admit I found this rather funny. She likes to blame the Church for everything. Every petty perceived slight of her and the people she works with is always the Church’s fault. I don’t need to have my church tell me to tell Leah to keep my name out of her mouth. I have enough strength and courage in my own right, and enough integrity to stand up for what is right on my own!

            Leah told me she was very surprised that I did not leave the Church when she and her
            family left. I responded “Leah, you cannot have my soul. My soul’s salvation is mine”.

            My mother always said as a Christian that not one man or woman, not even her own children, would keep her out of Heaven.

            Why on earth would Leah be so self-centered and narcissistic to believe that I would give up my religion for her or anyone? Her family only left with her because she is their financial backbone. She pays for all of their lifestyles. Her mother wept like a baby when she learned that Leah was leaving.

            So why am I addressing this now, after all this time? I am addressing this now because I recently starred on a TV show here in the UK. I talked about how amazing Scientology is, and a fan walked up to me in tears thanking me for taking a stand. Her family had watched me every day on television for three weeks and loved me. They loved how funny I was but they really loved how I stood up for what was right. This fan had been doing Scientology and was being attacked by her family, but none of them knew what it was. When I spoke up they all started to be interested and they apologized to her for getting it wrong. In that moment, I realized how many people I could actually be hurting if I don’t continue to speak up! Especially against money hungry attention seekers like Leah. I have to take a stand for what is right.

            I have questions for the people supporting Leah and her attacks. Would this be okay if she was attacking the Jews? Or Christians? Or Muslims? Why are people calling her brave? She is not brave to me. I think it’s a pure disgrace that she makes millions of dollars from her career as a person attacking a religion that helps people. She is a coward. And she was a coward of her own admission when she was in our church not actually practicing the religion, being dishonest and vindictive.

            For all the people who support her, I simply ask you to take a look into your own heart and ask yourself if you are being a bigot like Leah. Is this how I would want to be treated?

            Scientology is a personal journey. There is no topic in life that you cannot get help with in our church. If you are depressed, broken, in a failing marriage, in a career going nowhere, need to stop worrying about the past and always in trouble, Scientology can help. We are a church and we know the way to happiness. I want the world to stop feeling so much freedom in attacking our religion. If you have not walked through the doors and studied it for yourself then please stop making judgements. To use a justifier that our religion is a cult is a sin. If that is true then we are in good company, Christianity Catholicism, Mormonism, Judaism and many others were all considered “cults” throughout time in history.

            As for the small people who attack it, who have been there and left, then I say come back and let’s take a look at why you are being so critical and help you too. Religion is personal. Our church is open to all who will walk through its doors. We help. Simple.

            (link to CO$ website) is where you go for truth.

            • Ann B Watson

              Thank you Intergalactic Walrus, As to Stacy. I went right to her last lines. Stacy the” small people “who attack your religion have been absolutely thrown under the bus when anyone dared breath one tiny negative or critical thought about Old Ron/dm. I saw complete disregard for my body, my heart and my Spirit as time went on in Sea Org. So many have been deeply hurt and so many incredible souls gave up their lives to Ron. Not knowing the price he ripped from them. You, Stacy are drowning in a love which does not exist. You feel wanted, cared for and loved by a Master who only serves Himself. All roads lead to dm and the Tech Ron created. Scientology does not help, Scientology harms so badly and so deeply that for the rest of this life and all your others chasing Target2 to infinity,and paying for your crimes and paying to continue the horrible legacy of big beings with no claim to that except through,fear,abuse and pain, this will be your journey. You will no longer know who you are and as a Thetan you will be a slave ground under the Stone of Lies the cult will throw on you. May you see the light one day and leave. But know this,I and so many others are coming and we are not going away. We are the bringers of the dawn of truth about this massive scam religion and we will keep pounding and pounding on the cult. The total picture of what has been done in the name of Ron/dm is coming sharply into focus. You are shrouded in darkness and drinking from a poisoned well.πŸ’”πŸ–€

    • and i say! Don’t get fooled about this… To her, Life is a Game (The Game of Life) she is playing it and it’ shows. I know that, because i have read the Old Man’s version of this Game. Most exes would know this but might have a soft spot still. One thing to remember always – Fact Check!

      • Techie

        The truly stunning revelation in this screed from Stacy is that she has not seen any of Leah’s shows and does not know what they are about. Somehow everything is all about who is attacking whom, like the kids on the playground in 4th grade. We could forgive her for the obviously scripted statements in the attack video, and assume that her strange behavior on the British TV show is just part of the show. I have never watched it and don’t get it, so maybe these overheated rants make sense in context.But the Facebook post displays her true depths of ignorance. It does not sound like Dave at all, I can’t believe some Ethics Officer talked her into it. She really does not know. Let’s hope some truth penetrates the veil sometime soon.

        • they know what they are doing… look at the pattern! They are not harmless people and they will hug people to death.

    • Qbird

      One… in a “millions” she found to “help” —
      What an Attention Graboid this Stacy is, especially now that she’s been voted off her day job.
      The “star” of the shit show, all right.

      Blech.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I just wish their was a gif showing the flies and sealed, shut eyes of Spanky Taylor’s baby under $cion care. A word or gif is worth a thousand words. Thank God for her Wog friend who rescued them both. Makes me ill when this mockery of a cult gets defended by their religious higher ups especially Krusty and the Elfman’s. I’ve met Spanky’s daughter by the way and she is a beautiful woman.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    and what ONLY A CULTIE IN THE ABUSIVE INSIDIOUS scam cult that is scientology doesn’t know that EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET whether in a real religion/church/faith or not ,AUTOMATICALLY KNOWS, INHERENTLY KNOWS is that NO religion/church/faith would even THINK to ask a member to sit in front of a camera and talk pardon my language “shit” about a former ex-member for ANY REASON! NO MATTER WHAT!… DUH AND DOUBLE DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Interested2

    8 million!
    Oh my there were 10 million a year ago!,

  • abdaman

    Omg did not realize TC was almost 60! Maybe I’ll go a little easier on him for looking so busted now 😹

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Amazing what the right Dr’s can do with your face now. Or maybe they are ritualistically killing $cion babies for their theaten’s skin. They can’t have their poster boy aging. Or maybe it’s the odd water they swear by?

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • JB

    Rinder Rocks! His statement was hilarious. He’s a true wordsmith.

  • Iconoclast Six

    “I…………….have had…………….enough…………….of…………………………………..YOU!”

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  • IgnoranceisBliss

    When I read/hear a testimony like Stacy’s, it’s so obvious that she’s speaking from a script or has been coached in some way. She continually uses the same words like “covert” and “disparaging”, over and over again. It loses all credibility for me. All this does is make me hate the cult even more. I’ve been seeing advertisements for Jenna Elfman’s new television show and every single time I see one I think to myself “I’ll never watch because you support the cult”. It’s ridiculous that the so called leaders cannot see the damage the attacks do to the overall brand.

  • mrssandoval

    Hold up! Leah was in the delivery room with this broad, helped her find housing, plus helped in getting child support, yet she called her own godson a “niglet?”

    Wow. That Leah is a sneaky little asshole!

    I don’t buy this bs for a nanosecond. I’m a mother, thrice godmother, an auntie to children who aren’t all white. If I hated them for their race, why would I agree to take on being the godmother?

    My German side loathes me for being Korean. My Korean side hates that I’m American. I’ve never met most of them, so they mean less than nothing to me. And that, dear Stacy, is ethnocentric racism. Oh my gosh, if they ever found out I married and had a child with a biracial white/Mexican, they’d all die! I should give them a call!!!

    Carolla, I’ve always liked you. Why you didn’t hit hard at the Elfman’s, I’ll never know. You’re talking about savages, human rights abuses, and yet there’s 2 perpetrators right in front of you!