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A HowdyCon 2017 announcement: Special guests and performances!

 
In January, we told you about Bernie Headley’s determination to defeat Scientology’s disconnection and be reunited with his daughter, Stephanie. That story helped us figure out which city Stephanie is living in today, which is at least a comfort, Bernie tells us, but now we have even better news: Once again, his cancer appears to be in remission.

It was Bernie’s story that inspired us to start our “Disconnection reminder” at the bottom of each post that counts the days that some Scientology families have been split apart. We update it every day, hoping we can begin marking when disconnection is defeated and these families can reunite.

And now, we have an announcement. We’re pleased to make known that Bernie Headley will be our Special Guest of Honor at this year’s HowdyCon 2017 in Denver June 23-25.

And more news: Our little convention will also feature actress Cathy Schenkelberg, who will give us a preview from her one-woman show, Squeeze My Cans!

 

 
And Claire Headley is going to present a portion of a spoken-word project that she’s been working on, about growing up in Scientology. Oh my.

 

 
You can’t afford to miss this event. And there’s no charge for the event itself, only the price of dinner on Saturday night, which is $40. We’ll have informal events on both Thursday and Friday nights as well for the early arrivers.

Now, hang on, what’s this “HowdyCon” anyway? It’s just a get-together for people who read this website. In 2015, when your proprietor was on the road for our book tour, we were asked by a reader why we were visiting so many cities. We quipped that we were trying to figure out which town was best for a convention. That off-hand remark took on a life of its own, and soon our readers were voting where to hold a meet-up. Cleveland was chosen, and that’s where about 50 of us got together last year for three days of boozy fun. We named it after Steven Cox, a commenter who went by the name “Captain Howdy,” who is greatly missed.

It’s not an academic conference, and we’re not trying to sell you anything. Just come on up to Denver and hang out with us. Let’s watch Claire and Cathy perform, and shake Bernie’s hand and wish him continued good health.

 

[Bernie Headley with his children Marc and Stephanie in 2002]

 
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Sneaky, sneaky Scientology!

 
Does anything say “expansion of the world’s fastest growing religion” like trying your best to hide from the public and press the opening of a multi-million-dollar building project in the country’s second biggest city?

How many years have we followed the fundraising dreams of “Her Royal Governness of the Vast Valley Territory,” and those ambitious ladies who were selling doorknobs — like six years or something, right? Six years we’ve been following the fortunes of the Ideal Org project in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles, and now they’re trying to open it up without us noticing?

Our various tipsters have been telling us that Scientologists are being begged to come to the grand opening event, but they have to call in and get details, including the date and time.

And now, one of our sources inside the church confirms for us that those calls are telling them that the event is THIS SUNDAY. Come on, Dave, after all these years watching Nancy Cartwright and her friends suffer and sweat, you didn’t want us to have some correspondents come over to gaze upon your good works? Oh, pshaw.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Actual caption: “Dr. Bernard Fialkoff with Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer at a UN event today in which they both spoke on gender equality and other cultural issues. Dr. Bernard Fialkoff also presented on the Drug Free World program in which he sponsors and is President in New York.”

 

 
Actual caption: “Tracy, I am on Solo Nots in Los Angeles (Glendale, actually). I am on several of the Scientology ‘secret’ groups…(and oh, how I hate use of such a word!) i am desirous of using these sites to promote a security device I developed while at Flag. (I’ve done a lnumber of security systems for people on the level over the years) and although I have had comm with the head of Flag Materials Security and got her blessing, I have a situation where I don’t want just ‘anyone’ to know about it, but want all those who are/may become qualified for Solo Auditing to be info’d about it. So, I don’t know if your group is even appropriate, so I am comming this way rather than/before your standard steps. let me know your response, and I’ll include a device photo for data. Thanks, Bobby McGee”

 

 
Actual caption: “Had an amazing #Interview with the talented Jim Ross Meskimen the #Director of the #BattlefieldEarth audio book Galaxy Press. I had such good time. Love working with Jim.” (Is Jim wearing what we think he’s wearing? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,692 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,795 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,289 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,329 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,041 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 508 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,626 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,796 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,116 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,091 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 447 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,749 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 856 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,258 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,131 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 712 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,217 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,461 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,570 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 17, 2017 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • FredEX2

    “Wow. I think I spotted a Leprechaun Sheila!” said Lance at the Idle Org party.

    “No that’s our ecclesiastical leader David Miscavige. Don’t stare!!!” whispered Sheila.

    “No way. I thought he was supposed to be a Big Being.”…

    “Keep smiling and don’t let him hear you or we’ll get sec checked until the cows come home.”

    “But we don’t have any cows.”

    “This is true”
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ebe1441c7337053685be1e650055e4506eb6f9ff47225eea0d95fd2f59691819.jpg

  • nottrue
    • Qbird

      Ah geez, JAW is bizarrely clueless, nottrue. Even the link he provides ‘explains it’ as https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f108a81325d92549c1992ad8e79092eab6522c85866f720c0fa4a655815e75e7.png

      AND, wtf?! I’m pretty sure Mel Gibson is some kind of Traditionalist Catholic… old school fundi catholic.
      yeah, I’ve listened to him talking on it (like his Da).

      • Qbird

        Well, I’ll be… He built his own church, a tax-free private foundation, the AP Reilly Foundation.

        The Church of the Holy Family in Agoura, CA…

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e975417f56f96d7dc8df7783d7054440acc13796d3a9337f3860baba74769043.png

        • Sherbet

          Yeah, as I well know and admit, the Roman Catholic church is wacky enough as it is. Don’t lump us in with Mel’s Throwback Church of the Middle Ages.

          • Qbird

            oh I don’t Sherb — no no. I caught a interview of his, long ago & determined right quick, he & his Dad felt different about MY dad’s church… yeah, it’s a throw back to more ancient BCE times. Holy Moly! Latin mass & women with head’s covered.

      • Chee Chalker

        Yea….no way Mel is a Scilon
        JAW knows that

        JAW is either really stupid or hoping no one knows that even Mel Gibson wouldn’t touch scientology

        • Missionary Kid

          I had an evil thought. Mel joining in with Co$, just like the Nation of Islam.

          • Chee Chalker

            I think Mel would have to have been on a really really big bender for that to happen….but it is fun to think about!

    • Kristen

      Jeeeeezus, he is dense, isn’t he?

  • FredEX2

    Sea Orgers Robert, Joe and Leon we’re glad they had chosen the perfect outfits for St Patrick’s Day . The hats were especially handy…when they snuck into the TGIFriday’s bathrooms and took all the rolls of toilet paper…
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf508221bc04004083253159bf665241d01af72e1e7a0ef724e86f2785398ef7.jpg

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Sòò many artists have known this Bobby, but I think they should have stated more politely: Bobby McGee and Me.
    Well, it’s good enough for me:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQKur78Qg1A

    • Newiga

      Great minds and all that… Posted Janis’s version earlier today.

      “Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose” Hmmm…. Think about that lurkers when you climb up that bridge and spend your life’s savings and disconnect from people who love you while doing it.

      • Qbird
        • Newiga

          “The first time I heard Janis Joplin’s version was right after she died. Paul Rothchild, her producer, asked me to stop by his office and listen to this thing she had cut. Afterwards, I walked all over L.A., just in tears. I couldn’t listen to the song without really breaking up.”

          *sniff* :'(

    • Marshall

      I think we must have come from the same era 🙂 You’re always posting songs that make me smile!

  • chukicita

    That ‘security device’ looks like a 911 call waiting to happen.

  • Philbyification

    Are non-osa “lurkers” like “mothman” here Welcome at the HowdyCon Guys? This Blog has attracted some “never in” professionals who have some more Ideas to further the Cause…. I got here from Tony’s interviews on Media Mayhem over the last 2 yrs. I miss that show! 🙁

    • Yes. Welcome.

      • Philbyification

        Thanks Dodo et.al. !!

    • Juicer77

      Of course. New people are always welcome. I can’t get there this year but the Bunker gatherings I’ve been to have been fun and interesting. A wide range of opinions and ideas. Humor and silliness. I’ve made some dear friends at those gatherings.

      I miss Media Mayhem, also. And Crime Time. Sigh…

      • flyonthewall

        I miss A Current Affair and Hard Copy

        • Kestrel

          ISWYDT.

          • flyonthewall

            i didn’t do anything, I do legit miss those terrible shows and their wonderful awfulness

        • Juicer77

          XD

      • Philbyification

        Sorry to miss ya, I’ve enjoyed reading your comments to and fro…

        • Juicer77

          🙂

    • Robert Eckert

      We had a few in Cleveland who hadn’t gotten up the nerve to post much, or at all, but still fit right in.

      • Yeah, but I’m still wondering about that guy who claimed he was from Grosse Pointe.
        Why would anyone come who never posts?
        And what happened to that guy who was a deputy sheriff somewhere?

        • Robert Hanna Moore

          Were they wearing Squirrel Buster T shirts?

        • Dibythesea

          “Why would anyone come who never posts?”
          Shorpy is part of The Underground Bunker welcome committee and we love him even though he is a self-proclaimed asshole;)
          All readers of the Bunker are welcome at Howdy-Con even if you don’t comment.

          P.S.- I rarely comment

        • Robert Eckert

          The Montana deputy did post off and on for a while after HowdyCon although not the last several months. The guy from “Grosse Pointe” I have never seen around Grosse Pointe.

      • Jimmy3

        Remember the guy who followed us from the library to the bar after the book show tour? He came up and started talking to us in the parking lot. He was very interested in what we were up to, but claimed he had never heard of Tony Ortega or had ever been to the underground bunker.

        • Chee Chalker

          There should be an easy litmus test
          Ask ‘How tall is David Miscavige’

          Anyone who answers 5’4 or above is immediately suspect

      • Philbyification

        Speaking of “Nerve” Bob. I do believe the Gen. Pub. is thinking this “CHORG” has a lot of Nerve and has/is doing despicable things a.k.a. CRIMES! What are they waiting for? A Jonestown of a Thousand Cuts?ffs Oh, Happy St. Patty’s Day!

    • flyonthewall

      nobody is welcome. Extreme vetting has been implemented for Howdycon

      • Observer

        Pffffffft

        • flyonthewall

          you are banned

          • Observer

            Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

            • flyonthewall

              *hands Obs a napkin*

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
        • Robert Eckert

          That so-called judge must have been part of Jimmy3’s choom gang

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            He’s probably been feeding the judge green beer since breakfast. 😀

          • Jimmy3

            I dont even know what the fuck a choom gang is but I remember that guy
            So probably

      • Philbyification

        Has another “Ban” been implemented for winged creatures fly?

    • Missionary Kid

      HowdyCon I had a mixture of Exes and Never Ins. IIRC, it was about 50-50%

      • Philbyification

        Sounds like a Fun Way to end a Biz Trip to CO….Denver was fun in ’81 and it’s FAR better now so they say….lol

  • FredEX2

    RTC Class XII Auditor Chris always hated St Patrick’s Day the most and found himself at the tone level of ‘confused’…bc it was the one day when everyone was Irish and you couldn’t tell the Scientologists from the WOGS.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21d87066bf7eaca8c95746b4057185d3f625bbe9c315e50c17439de8a517dd16.jpg

  • Robert Hanna Moore

    Waiting for my brother and sister in law to begin St Patty’s celebration. In the meantime: KITTEH! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/754f8b49a93b68c9ee14f91905a37805aaa8bcbb70551a16f596cbac0de38104.jpg

    • Juicer77

      Somebody gonna dieeeeeeeeeee…… XD

      • JJ

        first they gonna get bit!

      • Robert Hanna Moore

        Cats don’t say YOLO.

      • Observer

        And deservedly so

  • Jimmy3
    • Sherbet

      Didn’t Howdy like the Pogues?

      • Jimmy3

        Everyone likes the Pogues

        • Jimmy3
        • Rasha

          I never got into those. Always thought they were a bit expensive for little cardboard discs….

          • Jimmy3

            Some of them were made of suspicious metals and were definitely poisonous. I remember them being banned from school as a “safety hazard”, but it was really because the entire faculty thought they were ridiculous and annoying. But they were wrong. and I forget what we’re talking about

            • Rasha

              …the ones that glowed were supposed to be okay. You had to watch the ones that hummed AND glowed. Those you traded as quickly as possible. I guess they killed Tamagotchis or something.

            • Sherbet

              Crap. We have a whole bunch o’ tubes of them in the cellar. To think, they may be more toxic than scientology… How about the ones with the 8 ball on them? Good or bad?

            • Jimmy3

              The “slammers” had 8 balls or skulls on them. They decided your fate and which pogs you would lose to Jerry the mouth breather who keeps losing his retainer for fucks sake jerry just pin it to your sleeve you’re slowing down the game

            • Sherbet

              Gahd, that Jerry…

            • Rasha

              …yeah…… How is this related to St. Patrick’s Day again? and what’s that humming from the basement?

            • Sherbet

              Pog(ue)s

            • Rasha

              Oh, yes. Silly me. I have their single, “Humming In The Basement (Dead Tamagotchi Remix)”

            • Sherbet
            • Gflded

              😂😂😂. Thanks for the laugh..so needed!

      • Observer

        Yep. Loved them.

        • Sherbet

          🙂

    • I am so glad you didn’t post “Danny Boy”, and hope no one else does.
      Oh my god that is the most depressing song ever.
      (Edited to remove even a sample of them)

  • Simi Valley

    Just got the first hate email on Leah from some dutiful little OSA-bot directing me to a page on the smear site the cult put up. Same old same old. Yawn.

    • I got one too. They accuse her of breaking up a family. How can these Scientologists look themselves in the mirror? Bunch of hypocritical a$$#@!$.

      • Simi Valley

        You got the same one I got. Hypocrisy is one of their main shticks. Youth For Human Rights while they are serious human traffickers, etc.

        • “We are the opposite of hypnotism. Now, please go into a light reverie while I give a command.”

      • Kestrel

        ashcans?

  • nottrue
    • Jimmy3

      I assume they are hard at work exterior-vestigating.

    • Those cops are doing OT TR0.

  • JaxNGold

    The $cientology posting about the new soon-to-be-empty Org in SF Valley just kills me.

    “Anyone who is anyone will be there.”

    No humility, no grace, no true spirituality. Just arrogance and a massive dose of superiority.

    • JJ

      And a chunckling of self delusion

    • Philbyification

      Sounds just like a local DA’s attitude when stopped for DUI!! ‘/

  • Missionary Kid

    Someone, quick, post FOR SALE signs on all the orgs, empty or not.

    • Philbyification

      The tiny and ONLY one round these parts Looks DAID! lol No more 24/7 LIGHTING! That’s what drew my attention to this group in the 70’s….All those lights I was observing from a not so darkened beach….And then again, another nocturnal Scilon encounter as a Kid while exiting the Late Show playing “Chariots of the Gods” and having a scary demonic looking book shoved under my nose and a Smiling chatty Cathy yammering about something mental, as Dad’s car arrived to the Rescue!

      • Missionary Kid

        I recently went by the San Diego org. You would think that late on a Friday afternoon, there would be many people getting out of their offices and walking by. There were two body routers out front, then one went in. One down at the heels homeless person walked by. They didn’t even bother approaching him.

        People walk directly to their cars and leave. $cientology doesn’t even make a blip on their radar.

        I watched the org early on Saturday Evening. A few blocks away, the play, Kinky Boots was playing, but nobody walked by. Only the bottom floor and half of the second floor had lights on.

        Most of the ground floor has large windows. I saw one person inside in uniform talking to someone else, and they appeared to be a clam. They left soon after.

      • Missionary Kid

        Welcome. You got your inoculation early. It’s always good to have them accost people. It’s one thing to have a tract shoved in your face, it’s another having someone trying to sell you a book.

        I got my inoculation early, after my oldest sister, who had been going to Dianetics counseling got me to go along. (It was headed up by A.E. Van Voght, who didn’t follow LRH into $cientology).That was in the late 50s. Some time later, I came home and she was burning all her Dianetics crap in our back yard. Years later, I got body routed by a cute woman, but I had enough sense to give them a fake name, address, and phone number. Later, I read the Time magazine cover story on $cientology, and that gave me further information.

        I happened to buy a copy of Bare Faced Messiah in a book store, and that told me much more.

        Eventually, I stumbled on this website. It’s been fun ever since. The exes I’ve met are wonderful people.

        • Liberated

          And all this time I had assumed you had been a member who became “enlightened ” and discovered the ugly truth.
          Good for you….you’re smart.

          • Missionary Kid

            When you grow up in a fundamentalist missionary family and learn to cast off the mindset, you end up being pretty wary of other belief systems that have to recruit.

            It wasn’t a matter of being so smart as wary. 🙂

  • Ben Franklin

    Wow. How things have changed from the days when the church actually had the guts to invite some journalists for a tour of a new Org. By the way, did the reporter just say that the L,A, Org was going to serve 300,000 parishioners? He must have got his numbers from the church or something.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRGPw2ossAo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgv6LHI3xXQ

    • Observer

      That was back in the good old days, before Tony’s, Leah’s and Alex Gibney’s malign influence made so many Merchants of Chaos all unruly and unsafepointable.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    It is said that Saint Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland.
    Now, if we only had a recipe for clams .

    I’ll pull a Cat Daddy here of the pure drop, the holy water 🙂

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rD6vFx1AVfM

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PZODHuxeYsg

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EuafmLvoJow

    or another version:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gYJO5fJgNSQ

    • MarcabExpat

      Oh fine, if we’re going down this road, I’ll break out the fiddle and bodhrán…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H42SUjBkYI

    • redfisch

      Thanks for the two renditions of Raglan Road, which contains the immortal line “a snare that I would one day rue.”

      If it’s St. Paddy’s day in the Bunker, then sure to Christ there’s some rueing will be done on the morrow.

  • iampissed

    Didn’t have time the read the article, but I just know Fleetwood Mac is showing up….right

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I don’t know about that, but if Marc isn’t there, I’m hitting on Claire.

      • iampissed

        LOL…you are second in line sir.
        You know how I feel about redheads.

      • Try my sure fire line for picking up married women: “You ain’t no circus girl darling. Dump the clown.”

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I bet it works when you use it, lol.

    • iampissed

      Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow
      Don’t stop it will soon be clear
      It will better then before
      Xenu is gone Xenu is gone

      OK…it’s a self inflicted wound.

  • Carrie Hawkins

    cnn show promoting scientology …………..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzAPbr1_uGY

    • What on Earth? “Religious scholar Reza Aslan explores the origin and central ideas of Scientology, the new American religion founded by L. Ron Hubbard. “Believer” airs every Sunday at 10p ET.”

      • Liberated

        Happy St. Patrick’s Day, Dice.

        • iampissed

          Is Dice Irish per chance?

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Danish.

            • iampissed

              Thank you…now do you happen to know the sex of this person.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Yes, I do.

            • iampissed

              You suck.
              ETA…you dont suck…all at the same time.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I’ll take that as a compliment.

            • iampissed

              You should….walks off in befuddlement.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I think I have a pic of Dice somewhere, if you are interested.

            • iampissed

              Well as much as I would like…it really needs to come from dice.
              I really appreciate the the thought…but I do t work that way.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Strictly speaking this is a die. Dice is plural.

            • iampissed

              Not looking

            • You want to see my Paradice?

            • iampissed

              Well

            • Liberated

              I wanna see…show me.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              A few comments further down.

            • iampissed

              Really come on.
              OK

            • Dude! You forgot to reply my email… No Danish for you!

            • Liberated

              Who are you talking about?

            • iampissed

              Dice

            • Who?

            • Sherbet

              Don’t mind if I do. Is there one with raspberry and cheese?

            • no cheese

            • Sherbet

              🙁 Lloyd Bridges?

            • sorry

            • Sherbet

              Oh. A line from “Airplane!” Lloyd Bridges’s character orders a sandwich and demands, “No cheese!”

            • we Danish don’t do cheese. Ask Liberated about this odd phenomenon

            • Sherbet

              I didn’t know that. I love cheese.

              Wait: What about Havarti?

            • So did I… Macaroni & Cheese

            • Liberated

              What do you call a danish in danish?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Pastry porn..?

            • Don’t confuse her

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Lol.

            • Liberated

              Hey, I’m right here…I can hear you.

            • I can see that…

            • Liberated

              Tell me the truth, are you dressed?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Half dressed. No points for guessing which half is not.

            • Weinerbrød – Translated to something like “Bread from Vienna”

            • iampissed

              I have a good friend in Denver, who is very German he says kinderwurst when kids come by.

            • Perv. 🙂

            • iampissed

              In the most delightful way.

            • iampissed

              He’s actually a ICU nurse. He wanted to be working in OBGYN. But he found out
              that the husbands were NOT into it….Americans are silly sometimes.

            • Liberated

              Don’t get me started…..it’s a crime not to have cheese on a pizza. weirdo

            • but we do have cheese on pizza. Italian pizza

            • iampissed

              Are you Italian?

            • No

            • Liberated

              So let me get this right…..if you have a bagel and lox….you can’t have a schmear of cream cheese? What??

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
            • That’s a Borgmesterstang – The MayorStick

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Same difference *rolls eyes*

            • Liberated

              Okay…wouldn’t want to confuse it with an Icelandic pizza.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              No, that has walrus blubber on it.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Butter, however… Don’t get me started.

            • iampissed

              Butter…the other chesse.

            • Liberated

              Guess what Canadian’s call american cheese?
              Canadian cheese.:-)

            • I thought it was Goose? Canadian Goose, like my boots

            • iampissed

              “We Danish don’t do cheese” may I quote you to the Danish Travel Councils?
              I’d make you famous.

            • Liberated

              Do it…and say Dice told you to!

            • They do advertise Goat Cheese? But i don’t do that either!

            • Rasha
            • Sherbet

              As usual, my memory was faulty.

            • Rasha

              No, there are so many moments in this film. I think you were thinking of the “Give me Hamm on 5, hold the Mayo” bit…

            • Rasha
            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I’d eat a Danish with raspberry and cheese 😮

            • Sherbet

              It covers about 3 of the major recommended food groups, right there.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Who’s talking about food…

            • Sherbet

              Oh! Naughty (and nice) Johnny!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              ;-D

          • Liberated

            No

            • iampissed

              I’m looking for a he or she at this point….it’s like finding waldo.

            • Liberated

              My son happened to be in Ireland on St Paddy’s day a few years ago, and he was amazed that the Irish don’t really care about a big celebration and all the hoopla on this day.

              We Americans are the ones who go ape-shit….Boston, Chicago, New York.
              But we americans seem to go ape-shit over everything.☘️

            • loooool – good answer

            • Liberated

              I’ve been lying to you guys…I have red hair and my name’s really Colleen.

            • shhh! now he might figure out that he is a guy! btw, i knew about the red hair

            • Liberated

              Have you been “tapping me?” I’m telling the president.

              He accuses everyone of tapping him…that guy’s nuts.
              Now he’s accusing the British of being involved. Yikes!

            • I knew they where tapping him before they did

            • iampissed

              Ireland is such a wonderful place. We happen to be in a situation where we had no place to stay. The inn keeper at the place we were hoping to stay at said he was full but he knew someone. Dam did he, we stayed at a lovely house and they had puppies to show off. We sat at breakfast with the family it is one of my life favorite moments.

            • Liberated

              That is so nice…isn’t it great to see first hand how other people in the world treat others.

              They can be so warm and kind, I know not everyone is but it’s good to see a new perspective, we americans seem to think we’re the center of the universe and it’s good to realize we’re not.

              The reason my son went to London and Ireland is, he was in school and it was spring break and I said ” why would you want to go to Florida and get drunk, you can do that anytime, go to europe ”
              I always wanted him to do the things I never could.

              He did and loved it. He said “you’ve never had a Guinness til you’ve had one poured for you at the Guinness brewery, magic.”
              He went to Cuba too, but I’ll tell ya about that another time.

            • iampissed

              I would very much like to hear the Cuba story. My son who is also a student,
              PHD track, is interested in Cuba. I am also…thank you.

            • iampissed

              Ireland was magical.

            • Robert Eckert

              cartoon from some years back: Grandma says “Let’s have a real Irish St. Patrick’s Day. How about we listen to some pipes music, and eat corned beef and cabbage?”
              Kid replies, “How about we listen to U2 and eat Lucky Charms?”

        • Thank you!

    • iampissed

      Why aren’t they promoting HowdyCon…..false media.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      yeah, just give up “control” and it just might be one of the greatest religions of the world! is he INSANE! or that damn stupid and self absorbed???!!! yeah, scientology is even a religion! yeah, scientology has reached every part of the globe! (uh huh!), yeah scientology with what 20 thousand members WORLDWIDE is the most successful “religion” in the past 100 years! what a nutjob and scam reza is!… using “religion” for attention and a media career…

      • Unbelievable – not ever watching CNN again

  • Marshall

    It’s going to be hard reading the bunker until Howdycon – I’m so jealous. But I think I’ll still be here even through the pain 🙂

    • Sherbet

      I think you should go. I keep pushing people to go while I stand outside like the Little Match Girl with my nose pressed against the window, watching the festivities from afar.

      • flyonthewall

        stop stealing my howdycon cheerleader schtick!

        • Sherbet

          We can both be cheerleaders, can’t we? Here; grab my pompoms.

          • flyonthewall

            No. Only me. Gimme those

            • Sherbet

              Pshah. That was the best offer you’ve ever had from me.

            • flyonthewall

              you’re no Mr. Wonderful. More like Ms. Wonderphooey

            • Sherbet

              I can’t argue with that.

      • Marshall

        I actually am planning a trip to Ireland – a dream trip for me. But, of course, it’s at the same time. So I really can’t complain (but I will)

        • Sherbet

          Cool!

        • iampissed

          You will LOVE Ireland. It’s the only place I’ve been to where you can just land
          and never have to worry about where you are staying. Lovely land, Lovely people.

      • Vaquera
        • Sherbet

          Hahaha! Then you understand the isolation, the loneliness, the absurdity…

          • Vaquera

            I was a female version of Hoffman at the end of The Graduate, “Tony! Tony!”
            //bangs on window//

            • Sherbet

              Funny!

          • BlueHeronBay

            For myself, a box or two (or dozen) of these would come in handy: http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/to2_33.jpg

            • Qbird

              I like this little card, BlueHeronBay.
              @ the Mpls. TUML book talk, the skeptics were handing out
              “Get Out fo Hell Free” cards. 🙂

    • Juicer77

      *takes Marshall’s hand silently*

      • Marshall

        Thanks!

  • Interesting new research:

    Estimates of What Will Happen to Scamatology After Davey Makemerich Makes His Exithttp://www.thespoof.com/spoof-news/magazine/14073/estimates-of-what-will-happen-to-scamatology-after-davey-makemerich-makes-his-exit

    Also, announcing:
    My Scamatology Book: (the picture is of a British Ideal Org!)
    https://www.amazon.com/My-Scamatology-Book-Theology-ebook/dp/B06XNMMN18/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1489785423&sr=8-1&keywords=My+Scamatology+Book https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6eaed7842ef496b3e6761da2072f70ac1155f7ec1d65b5411db20cf921dc5ac3.jpg

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Didn’t we (some of us) forget something? It’s Friday and we’re Regrading Beings after all!
    (The comments are great, too!)
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-88/

  • Xique

    Someday I’m going to HowdyCon, let’s hope in 2018. Have a great time to those who’ll be going. I just wish……..

  • Sherbet

    MonkeyNutsMan, are you going this year?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Maybe…Lots of stuff happening this year–last year, with nothing much going on, I hadn’t booked anything until three weeks before the event due to financial constraints. It’s looking to be a very similar situation this year–I’d like to be in Denver, but will have to see if the finances can take the strain and won’t know until around my birthday (when I booked last year).

      • Sherbet

        I think HowdyCon will be facial-hair-deprived if you and fly don’t go. Or have you shaved you beard?

        • $cnMonkeyNut$
          • iampissed

            Only thing missing is a go Call Me sign.
            So much fun to SEE people.

          • Sherbet

            Yay! Very attractive.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              He is very popular among…well, errybody.

            • Sherbet

              He’s a good guy. Don’t tell him, or he’ll become conceited, though.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You can count on me not to keep quiet.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              *blushes to beetroot*

            • FredEX2

              Johnny, I thought you promised us a new video of you on St Patrick’s Day? 😀

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I hope I said weekend. I was thinking I might get it done tomorrow. I do admit that today would have been a good day for it, though.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              *blushing*Why, thank you, Sherbet 🙂

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            The monkeyface is back. I hardly recognized you without the beard.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Thank you, Johnny–that is at least 6 weeks of studiously ignoring any type of bladed implement 🙂

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Only six weeks? Amazing!

          • Qbird

            I see you, Minkey!!!

          • itsIBBy

            Good lookin beard on a good lookin guy *wolf whistles*

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              At this rate I’m going to run out of blush! Thanks, itsIBBy :)(You’d be astonished how many pics were rejected for showing altogether too much grey in the beard!)

            • itsIBBy

              the grey would go over pretty well i imagine

          • OOkpik
            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Thanks, OOkpik–liking the shamrock and green eyes on your av 🙂

      • Kestrel

        I sure hope you can make it.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Thanks, Kestrel–me too 🙂 It’ll be great to see everyone again…… now all I have to do is find about £2k (about $2·5k) in the next two months!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
  • Rasha
  • itsIBBy

    I wish I could go to Howdy Con but between lack of funds, work, and crippling social anxiety, I’ll have to settle for live blogs and photos

    • Rasha

      Shhhhhh… we’re gonna have the run of the Bunker…. I know the wi-fi password……

      • itsIBBy

        I can bring snacks!

        • Rasha

          YESH!!

      • Juicer77

        I’M GONNA JUMP ON THE COUCH

        • Rasha

          SHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    I have no doubt COB will want one of these – a hipflask made in collaboration between Macallan and the watchmaker Urwerk. At around $2,500 it’s a perfect present from DM’s lackeys.

    http://www.ablogtowatch.com/macallan-x-urwerk-flask-whisky-sipping-watch-collectors-can-afford/

    http://www.ablogtowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Macallan-X-Urwerk-Flask-5.jpg

    • Rasha

      …as if he doesn’t have a dozen… Still it’s got two 8th-inch jacks, so I guess…. ummm. headphones?

    • It looks like a cross between a 1980s aftershave bottle and something for getting rough skin off your heels.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I hope 80’s stuff never goes out of style.

      • ombrifuge

        It also looks a bit like a microphone so would suit DM for recording everything.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Yes, but does it have UltraBarrior(TM)??

  • Ben Franklin

    OT: Happy St. Patrick’s Day to everyone. Whichever way you celebrate, just make sure you can still count to ten by the end of the party.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkpOxb56Jq4

  • Rasha
  • Vaquera
    • Robert Eckert

      Did you get locked out AGAIN?

      • Vaquera

        Instant reply.

      • Vaquera

        I just want to frolic under a rainbow in a field of clover with J3.

  • Jo

    Happy St Patrick’s day, folks. Warms my heart, anytime I’m here and see Howdycon. I miss him.

    • Qbird

      Hi Jo!!! Hi! Is it crazy in Ireland today??

      • Jo

        No, all quiet at home. Enjoying some wine. How’s u? x

        • Qbird

          I’m sittin’ on the phone; on call for work. I’m the back up this day.
          The weather’s got the roads icy, kinda shitty actually & that tends to keep ppl home on the Fish Fry night… but ya never know. If or until I get called in, I get to read the bunker.
          So it’s all good.

          What kind of wine, Jo??? Yer pup by your side? also x plus a O

          • Jo

            Red wine and Jo Dog.

    • Qbird

      annual most excellent shoop, shorp!

      • I wish I knew who did it.

  • richelieu jr

    I so, so wish I could be there, and inHowdy’s memory (and with a bit of encouragement from a couple of Bunkerites off-line who don’t necesssarily always agree with me, but thought it was worth hearing), I am posting this late in the game tonight, and then may post a revised version again tomorrow in hopes of provoking a discussion on a subject I have not yet seen broached on our little list, but which largely merits discussion.

    Intentionamlky omitted from the version I showed them are a couple of personal anecdotes shared with me by fellow Bunkerites, exes honeither witnessed or participated in the events, as well as Somme named sources documenting examples of some’of the ´Not Quite Fit To Print’ or ´Somewhat Open Secrets’ depending on clearance or intention I attempt to address below.

    Of course I ma intérêts in your comments and feedback, otherwise I would not by posting this. It may prove a squib of little concern to anyone but me, and that’s OK,, too. I heard that about my ‘Patheetic Little Anti Marty Crusade as well, from so early people who wrote dozens of times to make sure qui understood how little anyone cared.

    Léts not do that again, shall we?

    OK then…

    One last comment: Monique going Clear was obviously deliberately kept quiet, and understandably (if not rightly) so… I really puts the lid to the “She is totally uninvolved, never a member business” which is great PR, and technically true, but a bit besides the pint if the argument s that Marty was baiting his Master Miscavige by flaunting his so called Free Auditing , which we now know was effectively underwritten by Karen, in Davey’s face.

    It also illustrates the rings of insider versus less inside insiders that exist out here in the ex and never in worlds. This blog is but the very tip of the Iceberg in which subjects where Tony is obliged to make journalistic decisions about what and when to publish in order to cultivate and maintain sources, and the obviously superior knowledge of those who have personal knowledge of certain events trumps those of us who saw it on TV, or read about it here or in another book, resonates in uncomfortable and sometimes downright stomach churning sympathetic harmony with Hubbard’se sided Brideg to Nowhere and the snitching and boxes within boxes culture in Scientology’s ham fisted imitation of Egyptian Mystery Schools…

    People knew Monique was clear was clear but stayed mum because they didn’t want to hurt ‘her’ case; Evem more knew Marty was putting together a shadow- CoS where the transition post-Miscavige to install him in tip of othe pyramids scheme so that it would rip people off and destroy lives exactly as Hubbard intended with none of Davey’s ‘improvements’, but kept silent because …? They just wanted to see him bloody or embarrass Miscavige? Or wanted to see him succeed..? I do not know…

    One of the common arguments used to try and get me to shut my (admittedly too big and of late scattered and at times incoherent) mouth, has been to say, “Careful what you say, it can be taken out of context to be used against our mother side”, or “You shouldn’t joke in such a provocative schoolyard way. It is not helpful image-wise amd may scare off lurkers who still believe Hubbard was the Bees Knees and only lil Davey is wrong in the CoS…”

    Both of these criticisms are valid, and I personally believe to be factually true, as far as they go. Yet I will not stop.

    Why?

    Because I am not here to put on a show for the benefit of OSA goons who seek any point to hang a ‘bigot’ sign on. They will find one anyway, believe me; r am I here to speak in hushed respectful tones of a belief system that deserves no respect at all, in the hopes of replacing some lurker’s Hard Lining Hubbard Heroin Habit with Discount Bunker Brand No-Mo Miscavige Methadone to get them into the kiddy pool where we only give them 80% bullshit whilst they fiddle with crystals and speak of rehabilitating Hubbard from the. DNA found in some Amber-preserved Sucker who swallowed his crap whole back the day before it got less “fun”.

    I am often here, however, as Howdy and SPF were as well, to publicly ridicule the ridiculous, amd hopefully raise Miscavige’s blood pressure, as well as Marty’s, with any luck. I also bring up Trumps tiny hands on occasion for the same reason.

    To be a thorn in their sides, q stone in their expensive shoes, the little Simpsons voice that doesn’t speak for them braying “HA-HA!!!” within earshot of that Pint-Sized Pinochet, or worse– within earshot of his underlings.

    These lying, narcissistic Bullies have extremely thin skin, and as long as they remain “He Who Won’t Be Named” terrors to be whispered about in respectful fear, you undo South Park’s work, and Tony’s and a while long list that freed little smart mouths like myself from the arrival of million-dollar lawsuits because the made joke about the E-Meter

    Do you think it bothers Miscavige if there is a group of terrified exes talking about his crimes and the hellishly titanic fury of his revenge? Hell,,no. It is why he does it in the first place.

    Picketing wasn’t the worst thing that’s happened to Scientology, nor was exposing its secrets. Matt and Trey were.

    Rendering in mockable with relative impunity, and open to the derision it so richly deserves, therefore exposing the little man behind the curtain as the pathetic fraud that he is and always was. It you don’t think they can get you,and Marty can track you down with near preternatural prowess, 100% of the time, or that Joking and Degrading get you your much-merited RPF, then Hubbard’s got nuthin leftinhis box for you.

    If you are allowed to snicker at the Marcabians, Body Thetans, Hubbard’s inexplicable inability to emphasize the correct syll-AB-le in the word “gal-UHX-y”, then the whole spool of his yarn spins out and no one can keep a straight face any more…

    Lastly, and I have not come to any solid opinion pa this, but am I the only person who wonders whether it was morally correct to stay mum about Marty adopting a child into a practicing Scientology household that was simultaneously under very real harassment and attack from the CoS and paying its bills with other people’s money?

    YMMV, and I can see not wanting Miscavige sending OSA goons out to screw up the process as would surely have happened, but might not the adoption agency have had a valid right to know these sorts of details about the household the poor child was entering?

    On this level I sincerely wish Monique, Marty and their poor,innocent child, all the luck and success in the world. Monique might not have been as untouched and uninformed on the subject of Scientology as she claimed, but that kid sure is.

    For that reason alone, I hope they made the right choice, one that will allow them to lead Scientology and Miscavige-free lives from now on…

  • Faux Gibbler

    Why do they keep hoarding up properties? I don’t get it.
    The buildings are empty. lol.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Some people hoard merchandise, others hoard food. The only thing that Midgy-McGee hoards.. are buildings that look good…..

      (Don’t) Be our guest, (don’t) be our guest… our regging is da best!!

  • FredEX2
    • Taffy Sinclair

      I’m 1/16th Irish. Clearly not as Irish as this cutie pie doggie!

    • beauty for ashes

      I would toootally buy that guy a beer. I wouldn’t let him drive .

  • FredEX2

    Jack tried his best to smile all night at the St Patrick’s party even tho green just wasn’t his favorite color.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7561802635e823535c2f7939fd5133530608448394d8495c7f08112502cc2746.jpg

  • Taffy Sinclair

    I hate OSA’s hate sites.

    • FredEX2

      Nice try guys. Woody and Rolf checked out that website by OSA and they’re still laughing…
      F5
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18cd088eaf454e6779f6e670bb48f5277370e5472239669a06ef274093bee473.jpg

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Danm!! Lolz! Even animals laugh @ OSA!!! Honest to God (Xemu/Meepthorpe) ANIMALS!!!! Loves it!! Eat it, Guardian’s Office, err, “OSA.”

    • TonyOrtega

      Bullshit. URLs don’t work that way.

      • TonyOrtega

        But nice trick for posting an OSA slime site URL. Very creative.

      • Robert Hanna Moore

        It happened to me earlier. ETA: but it didn’t appear to be a slime site, more like a an available URL with bunker in the name.

        • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

          This has happened to me too, maybe a week ago, but on my computer… I also get tonyortega . com which always says ‘under construction’…

          • Taffy Sinclair

            I’ve seen that too!! So confusing!!

            • Robert Hanna Moore

              Accidents happen, Taffy. “Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time it’s enemy action.” Ian Fleming.

          • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

            Uh-oh… I just went to check out the ‘under construction’… and now what it does is links to the other more ugly site that was posted earlier! Lot of Shenanigans going on!!!

            • Robert Eckert

              the dot-com used to belong to an artist named Tony Ortega, who apparently got tired of misdirected people looking for dot-org landing on his site, so now he uses tonyortega.net (and apparently OSA couldn’t resist snatching the abandoned URL)

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              Yes! Awful! What I’m not understanding, though, is when I go to type in ‘t’, I get a list of 5 names, and the dot-com is always first, even though I come here every day!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              THANK-YOU!!! Search engines are whack AF!!!

            • Robert Eckert

              what browser are you using? Google Chrome knows that “t” could only mean tonyortega.org or translate.google.com

            • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

              Oh, I am using Google Chrome… But I was having a problem before and was having to type in ‘tony ortega website blog’, so that’s one of the 5… (Rite now, dot-com comes up first, dot-org second) Hmmm…

    • Taffy Sinclair

      I really wasn’t aware of this particular website, sorry for offending! Just showing my disgust for it…
      It wasn’t automatic, it was a search engine thing….

  • Vaquera

    All this talk of HowdyCon has me drifting down memory lane. I made a note of the Bunkertowners I’ve met to date. Shirley my aging grey matter has missed someone, so please speak up! Hoping to add some new names and faces to the list this summer!!

    Panopea Abrupta
    Sherbet
    Jimmy3
    Baby
    flyonthewall
    Fly Lady
    Observer
    RMycroft
    Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack
    Skies are blue
    EmmaDaoust
    Betsy
    Chocolate Velvet
    Juicer
    Sugarplumfairy
    Semper Phi
    Aquaclara
    Dibythesea
    Spike Robinson
    Madame Duran
    Jens TINGLEFF
    Warrior
    John Peeler (BTs2Free)
    LoneStar
    K2P2 (KnitNut)
    Robert Eckert
    Frodis
    Dodo
    Dodo Lady
    Johnny Tank
    Kim O’Brian
    Micheal Leonard Tilse
    Missionary Kid
    Monkey
    I-Betty (Andrea)
    Newiga
    Graham
    Illinoisian (and Mr. I)
    Derek
    Pezza
    Kestrel
    HillieOnTheBeach
    Nina
    Shorpy
    ChuckBeatty
    TexasBroad
    David Touretzky
    Flying High
    SnippyX
    Scamofscientology
    Tony Ortega
    Jonny Jacobsen
    Steve Cannane
    Jamie DeWolf
    Hana Eltringham Whitfield
    Spanky Taylor
    Gerry Armstrong
    Tory Christman
    Nora Crest
    Jon Atack
    Len Zinberg
    Pete Griffiths
    Mary McConnell
    Paulette Cooper
    Paul Noble
    Nan McLean
    John McLean
    Nancy Many
    Jessie Prince
    Steve Hassan
    Chris Shelton
    Andreas Heldal-Lund
    Jim Beverley
    Christian Szurko
    David Pike
    Marty Rathbun
    Alex Gibney
    Lawrence Wright

    As for the rest of you cheeky peeps….you’re on my “wanted” list!

    • Qbird

      Wow! How great is this? You are such a groupie, cowgirl!
      ::::but you missed Mpls! — just sayin’::::

      • Vaquera

        Yes, someone once accused me of being a groupie.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      SnippyX, and Mr. X
      Scamofscientology (Amsterdam)

    • Professor David Touretzky
      Dodo lady
      Flying High
      Robert Eckert
      Michael Tilse

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Fly kids

        • Vaquera

          Fly kids don’t comment

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            True. Well behaved kids, though – worth a mention 🙂

            • Vaquera

              Very, but then I’d have to mention Pan’s family, Hillieonthebeach’s daughter, Baby’s Mac, etc.
              Oh wait, I just did!

        • Lady who really liked to dance
          The shy guy

          • Vaquera

            Cotton snow?

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I thought I was the shy guy..?

            • Yeah, but you post here. Shy guy lol

            • ExCult.Jan

              We thought so too, until you turned around in your last video.

      • Vaquera

        I had Robert and MLT already.

      • Robert Eckert

        Flying High RIP :'(

        • What?? I saw him posting here a few days ago, may be a week ago..

          • Robert Eckert

            His RL name was Darren, right? I hope I am not confusing two different people. Darren’s sister posted on FB that he had a sudden massive heart attack, very shocking.

            • I think so, so sad. Drop me a link on FB please.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Wrong guy I think. Our Darren is in NY, not TN.

            • No. It’s him. You are right. Oh man…
              He told me he never lost his good core.

              Rest in peace, Dear Darren. Good man.
              Flying High.

            • Sherbet

              What was his avatar?

            • Frodis73

              Omg, how sad. I didn’t know him very well, but I did enjoy his posts when he did share. How sad. Please send my condolences to his sister from the bunker if you can.
              ok, we have lost a lot of people here…we need some good news…like another Bunker Baby or better yet a Bunker Wedding!

            • He was with us in Cleveland. Just very modest. Usually sitting on the bench in front of the hotel.

            • Frodis73

              I do not think I met him…even though I live in Cleveland I was barely there. 🙁

            • EmmaDaoust

              Very sad. Fly high, Darren.

    • Gflded

      Wow! Jamie, Paulette, Steve, Alex and Lawrence!! Holy shit..Lucky you!

      • Qbird

        irk?! I am so Jelly!

        • Gflded

          Sooo jelly!! 😳

    • OOkpik

      Did you miss Baby?

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        4th from the top 🙂

        • OOkpik

          OOPS! Thanks, Monkey.
          Obviously it’s me who misses Baby. 😉

    • iampissed

      Um….Dam.

    • Jo

      Bury, Nat and Max, Spaceman.

      • Vaquera

        Haven’t met them yet. 🙁

    • Sherbet

      Oh, crap. Are you selling AmWay?

      • Vaquera

        Moonshine on the keyboard.

    • Elegant Mess

      Jeebus! My list is tiny in comparison!

    • EmmaDaoust

      Hmm, I guess I’ve met a quarter of the people on your list, Vaq.

    • thetastic

      Show off. I must make that list.

  • FredEX2

    Larry the Scientologist hoped no one at the Org could tell that he’d already had a few Guinness and an Irish coffee…or two…before the party started.
    F5
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e07a7403a7aae1d5717d5bbffa05122d8390ad230d40c2b4dea0e3d9210c07bb.jpg

    • redfisch

      Made me choke!

    • Qbird

      I had so much fun with you on this all day, Fred! XD

      • FredEX2

        I’m glad to share a smile with you Qbird. ❤️

  • beauty for ashes

    For Q~and Tony’s four cats and one dog.
    We might be looking even more in the future to our British friends from the BBC for this kind of programming. For all of our animal lovers , oh hell beauty and awe lovers, comes Earth two now showing on BBC America.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8aFcHFu8QM

    • Qbird

      got it! Thanks Beauty. 🙂

  • AntoniaW

    O/T but one for those wondering about the UK $cilon scene: our mini-whale John Mappin might be going off-track…?? Given that the interweb is a bad idea for good $cilons, he seems not only to be transgressing here, but to be recommending a whole new world of woo: is there any chance that the Ortega Rinder Remini effect is driving some of them away to fresh esoteric pastures?

    CAMELOT CASTLE‏ @johnmappin Mar 16
    More
    VERY IMPORTANT ARTICLE – Celebrities & the Art of Distraction http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/celebrities-the-art-of-distraction

    • beauty for ashes

      Are you still travelling? Or are you back to the bliss of your own bed ?

      • AntoniaW

        Back to the bliss of my own bed – btw never asked Egyptians about Scientology, they were too frantic dealing with their own real life problems. Funny thing, but Hubbard had never entered their consciousness, & they were worried about whether the Coptic minority was going to stay.

  • Vaquera

    Any suggestions for a name for this evening’s tasty concoction?
    Moonshine, Pomegranate juice and Fresca.

    • iampissed

      You have moonshine!

      • iampissed

        Best I have ever had was in nor cal, strawberry

    • iampissed

      Named …wish I was there.

    • Jo

      Afternoon Bliss.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Moonchild Slayer!

      • Vaquera

        ^^^

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Kick in the Sass. 🙂

      Whatever you call it, it sounds yummy.

      • Vaquera

        It’s a keeper.

    • FredEX2

      ‘Moonjuice’? …Or how about ‘Sex on the moon’?

    • Qbird

      BloodMoon.

  • Sherbet

    Well. I just watched “My Scientology Movie.” I’m sort of shell-shocked.

    • Vaquera

      In what way?

      • Sherbet

        I also found it annoying that Theroux tossed a little bouquet at the church at the end, about how good people are in the church and (I forgot how he says it), he’s attracted or sympathizes with their need and desire to improve the world.

        • Sherbet

          I didn’t realize the airport confrontation happened during the filming of this documentary.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          You mean at the end when he said that in spite of everything he now knows, a little part of him still “feels the pull of their vision”? I was stunned by that one and am curious what exactly it is that he found attractive.

          • Sherbet

            Yes, that. Thank you for having a much better memory than I do.

            I wonder if the actor who played Miscavige had to decompress for a few weeks or if he’s still whacking people around and swearing.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              He said after his audition that he taps into anger easily. He was great.

            • Sherbet

              He sure was.

        • iampissed

          Good people ARE are part of the……..

          • Sherbet

            I know, but in the beginning of the doc, Theroux said he was stymied in showing the good of scientology, because the church wouldn’t speak to him. So he went ahead and showed the apostates’ version, and it was horrifying. Then, at the very end he tosses in, Oh, yeah, well, there are good people in there.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Doesn’t he also conclude that the cherch was “hijacked by its own pope”? As if old rotten teeth was a paragon of benevolence and eternal wisdom.

            • Sherbet

              Bingo.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      One of the things that struck me in it was when Marty gets justifiably angry that they’re using his child to push his buttons and he says with seeming absolute certainty that he is able to do it that he’s going to have to “pull the plug on this organization.” What could he possibly think he knows that would bring down the whole organization?

      • Sherbet

        Are you kidding? Probably plenty. But in view of recent events and speculation, Marty is doing donuts in the parking lot. 360 degrees

        • PerpetualOutflow

          It just seems like so much has already been exposed and yet they sail on in their grand pretense with their showy events, oblivious celebs, and glittering empty buildings still able to rake in more millions. How could Marty do what so many others collectively haven’t even come close to doing?

          • Sherbet

            Maybe blow the cover off Miscavige/the church and money improprieties. He must know something deliciously illegal that would make the Government sit up and take notice.

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            You know what’s funny is, we know what’s going on but the people in the bubble do not. Thus, the PR and mags never change, they never date any of their stuff, only the names change. The rhetoric remains the same, and they’re still “Expanding to 8 million members.”

            I’ve slacked off because there is no way in hell they’re going to recover from the recent, devastating documentaries and movies that are out now.

            You know that religion that still has reading rooms staffed by extremely old ladies?
            That’s Scientology’s future.
            Christian Science used to be YUGE, once upon a time… just sayin’.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        Whatever it is hasn’t moved past his larynx yet.

      • Chee Chalker

        That comment (I could bring the organization down….he wants me to get his ethics in) was so bizarre, but more than anything, I think it speak to Morty’s arrogance.
        He was also very upset when the Co$ said he did not hold an ecclesiastical position
        I understand why he would get upset, but what he doesn’t seem to realize is that he was a big fish in a stinking, corrupt cesspool
        It’s like Goering bragging about being # 2. See where that got him.
        The smart one was Speer who immediately began to backtracking and apologizing

  • MostSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

    Happy St Patrick Day.
    Here is some some cake.
    I highly recommend the Cake-Improver.
    My Aunt Mary Jane taught me how to make a cake. It’s definitely is a huge improvement.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51c6cb5edf1c4a475f8fe7827d063d43116c1adc9401fe35c07d583d6997b7e1.jpg

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Hey, lol, I just had some of that.

    • Sherbet

      Behave, Liberty.

    • Harmless Weirdo

      It looks like it has googly eyes, and is shrieking in horror as chocolatey blood runs down its face.

      Sort of the St. Paddy’s Day cake version of Carrie.

      THIS IS NOT AN IMPROVEMENT. HOW IS THIS AN IMPROVEMENT.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        LOL…

      • EmmaDaoust

        Oh. I thought it was a cake that does Improv.

  • Rest In Peace, Darren Desepoli, aka Flying High.

    Very kind man I’ve met at the 1st HowdyCon.
    We talked about posts we’ve held in scientology and everything in between.

    His whole thing was always wanting to help people and he stayed with it,
    even after realizing what a fraud scientology is. Good causes.

    Fly High, Good Man.

    • Sherbet

      What was his avatar, Dodo?

    • Kim O’Brien

      I am glad that he was with his family

      • iampissed

        During the week my father passed…one of his requests was did I meet everyone.
        ETA: I told him yes.

    • flyonthewall

      i remember him. Can you say what cause of death was?

      • Robert broke the news earlier. Heart related. You can type Darren’s full name on FB and read what his sister wrote.

    • Observer

      What?!!

    • TexasBroad

      I spent a lot of time with him outside on the bench and we were Fb friends – he always had a positive word to offer. He was a genuine and kind man.
      I remember how much it meant to him to be at HowdyCon and to meet Tony and everyone else.
      I was very sad to hear.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh I am so sorry to hear this although I did not know him. May he rest in peace.

    • Jimmy3

      I had a chance to chat with him. Seemed like a good man. Very sorry to hear about this. :/

  • Robert Hanna Moore

    Extraordinary comments for an off day today (could it be the libations?). Don’t forget to click the heart. Nite Bunkeroos.

    • Sherbet

      Sweet dreams.

    • Liberated

      I was thinking the same thing…libations, I’m sure it is.

  • beauty for ashes

    Mark Bunker gets harassed at local drive through in Clearwater. 1000 yard stare is scary!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5JxN5qsDo

    • Florida is a zoo sometimes

      • Missionary Kid

        Good point. It’s got $cientology Flag base, the biggest zoo of all.

        • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

          Well, you might think so, but you get there and it’s just 20 species of clams in tanks. Most disappointing!

          • Missionary Kid

            No wonder they didn’t want the aquarium to expand: they were afraid of getting put in the tanks with the sharks.

  • beauty for ashes

    Can I just say something. I am really upset. I heard that Trump plans to cut funding to Meals on Wheels. My parents and I relied on that service after my father’s stroke. My father could not drive anymore, my Mom has cancer in her spine and was not up to driving yet, and about once I week for a few hours I might feel okay to drive. So groceries was a huge problem! We actually paid for meals on wheels, but only two of us were accepted. So they are basically like cheap tv dinners. chicken is confabulated from rib meat. two veggies no sauce. Sometimes mac and cheese. The ingredient list was confounding. They do offer things like bread milk juice crackers etc as well. Eventually when things got better, the dinners started piling up and sometimes we donated them to others less fortunate, if the workers would let us. As of March 1st we didn’t need it at all so we cancelled it.
    I am so grateful for them. I can’t imagine.
    I just want everyone to know that you know someone who needed and used and Meals on Wheels before and may need it again. It breaks my heart to think of the sick going hungry, and that is what will happen. It is a really important life saving ” entitlement.” <3 <3 <3 Beauty

    • beauty for ashes

      Not Claire Headley’s recipe for Bolognese. One of a better meals ingredients.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c45b51b86f9c9b870d55fa7a5b88c3105654737b016dee1d5041af65d3838c6e.jpg

      • beauty for ashes

        I took the last three out of the freezer and was looking very hard at them. My father walked by and said, you’re not going to EAT one of those are you? No I’m going to photograph the ingredients. He laughed and headed to bed.

    • daisy

      It is a service and one that is for many, necessary. It is usually the only hot meal and friendly face they see that day.He is making a mockery of your country . I believe in no borders so this hurts me on a human level but may i just say I am so fucking grateful to be Canadian. If kids of bunkeroos want to travel they may want to sew a Canadian flag in their back pack. Too bad it cannot be done on a passport.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        I’m gonna learn Spanish with an Australian accent!

        • beauty for ashes

          <3 ha ha ha<3

      • JJ

        Used to recommend doing that for safety, now it is an issue of shame. First shame then war again I guess… Ya go back and forth on it and it is uncouth to assume things and name call. But I really believe people who think nothing but how they personally can benefit from something and screw others over… Isn’t that sort of a definition of what a “Bad Person” does?

      • Liberated

        I am absolutely sick about this, cutting funds for the sick and elderly to have a meal and give more money to our already overblown defense, not to mention tax cuts for rich white people, how can this be acceptable?

        These republican policies are so mean and hateful, this guy is so unfit for this job he’s embarrassing our country and making a mockery of everything that’s good.

        Cutting funding for the arts…omg ! Just think of all the young people who’s lives were changed when they were exposed to “the arts” and followed thru and found their purpose in life.
        I can think of many.

        The arts and humanities are…imho.. the most important thing.

        Impeach the mother fucker already!

        • beauty for ashes

          Yeah I posted Planet Earth II from BBC earlier, cause god knows what will become of PBS!
          Impeach the crazy man. He’s just crazy! and not for these reasons, he’s pathological!

          • Liberated

            Yep…PBS is the most wonderful thing in the world.

            Can you imagine a young kid not having Sesame Street?

            They (republicans) hate poor people they don’t care two cents about anyone but themselves.

            I wonder if the working class poor who voted for this guy realize they voted against their own self interest? Not yet?

            • beauty for ashes

              Do they watch Rachel Maddow?

            • Liberated

              Hell no …..Fox News only!

            • Liberated

              What if he decides to give up parts of our national parks for oil drilling?
              Can you imagine?

            • beauty for ashes

              They don’t even let you pick the flowers now. I think he will put a curse on many generations of his family.

      • EmmaDaoust

        There are no borders in the Great Lakes. He is proposing cutting funding for cleanup from $300million to $10million. Oh. Okay. So Canada will be busting butts to keep our side clean… doesn’t work that way. The world’s largest freshwater supply. So when people say Canada has no business poking its nose in US affairs?

        • daisy

          He should be impeached for being a proven liar ,several times over.

          • JJ

            I don’t know if the lying is enough it had to lead to something seditious or truly deranged. It’s coming…

            • beauty for ashes

              When I read this sentence, I imagined this song playing celebrating like exit music to the end of a great victory in a movie! Old Gospel song “soon and very soon”
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFzvK5gDEAM

          • EmmaDaoust

            He should be impaled. And all his happy gang.

    • Frodis73

      I am also disgusted and so incredibly sad. I am so depressed about everything trump and most of the gop want to do. They are actively looking to exterminate people and nothing will change my mind about that.

      • JJ

        S’about right. Or as my conservative bigoted aunt says… “It says is the bible: “If you don’t work you don’t eat…” Yes lovely. Needless to say a lot of scions of wealthy families don’t work and they eat. And she ate the WIC supplies that her daughter got when on SNAP etc. while living in a $300,000 house. Nice.
        That old “he who works hardest gets the most” doesn’t fly. A lot of low income people work their asses off and get nothing while millionaires become billionaires becasue nothing makes money like money.

      • Sine qua non

        Chill, grasshopper. We must love away the hate of Trump supporters. Trump himself is hopeless. Impeach him.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you for saying this, beauty. Cutting off meals for disabled elderly people is an awfully low blow. Evil new regime.

      • beauty for ashes

        I know and imagine if you could only pay for food or medicine? I’m so anxious this is actually happening.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          So far it is just a proposal, so hopefully we can all push back publicly and Congress won’t adopt it.

          • beauty for ashes

            That’s why I wanted to make people aware. It’s not just an idea, its someone you know.

    • Elegant Mess

      I am currently sitting in a neighborhood ACLU meeting to discuss how we are going to deal with ICE raids currently taking place on our area. Now we have to worry about the necessary programs that support the elderly, disabled and the arts??? Overwhelmed doesn’t even begin to cover what I am feeling right now.

      • beauty for ashes

        I know my heart hurts.

  • Kim O’Brien

    OT / because life isn’t freaking weird enough , i found out that my Da has gone fly fishing several times ..with Trump’s nominee for the Supreme Court…at the family cabin, and in Denver, he used to live about 5 blocks away

    another small part of me dies inside

    • Robert Eckert
      • Kim O’Brien

        i just can’t …:(

      • redfisch

        I will add this to my “Read Later” pile. I cannot read it tonight and expect to sleep. Just the opening gives me hives: The Big Cheeto outsourced the search for a SCOTUS justice to the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society.
        The Heritage Foundation is a known entity: largely mainstream country club conservatism. The Federalist Society is a whole ‘nother thing. It’s a small group of intelligent and agressively right wing attorneys whose stated purpose is curtailing activist judges and who strongly support an originalist interpretation of the Constitution. I think of the Heritage Foundation as Roman Catholicism and the Federalist Society as Angus Dei. They are powerful scary.

    • beauty for ashes

      Oooh Kim go Yell at them!!!!!!!

    • Liberated

      I’m so sorry.

      • Kim O’Brien

        white people problems …but somehow , trump has ruined fly fishing for me ..and it really is very meditative and peaceful . ( catch and release …but i never catch anything )

        #thanksobama

        • Liberated

          Oh I understand and yes it is a form of meditation.

          I can dig it…my sister.

        • beauty for ashes

          Can’t Brad Pitt bring it back?

          • Kim O’Brien

            he is the one who brought it on 🙁 makes it worse somehow

            • beauty for ashes

              Maybe we need to buy you that book on tape (ha! I’m that old I really just wrote that!) with Robert Redford reading you the story. Still reads good, imagine him young.

  • JJ

    Here’s one. I am reading Bitch magazine online and see an ad for “Adult Sex Toys”…? I didn’t know they came in child varieties? Technically they don’t but led to interesting issue on The Doctors with a mother buying her daughters ( not sure age) vibrators to empower, self assure, learn your body, etc. Interesting idea. I can see the market exploding. No pun. A line of Barbie vibrators? I doubt it. Hello Kitty? Weirdness. Friday night.

    • Elegant Mess

      I think the Hello Kitty ones already exist… 🙁
      No! Bad kitty!

      • JJ

        lemme go look. yes

        Pahaha but marketing to children? boyo that will get people mad…

    • beauty for ashes

      Sooo many adults like me still have that I missed out on hello kitty sized hole in their heart. I have pajamas, and I think band aids. My old roommate had shower curtains, but I like my bathroom to be zen, and I eventually one her over with my colorblocking neutrals thing. But really that’s about as deep as I want to get, except that you know toys are often bought as gag gifts for other people.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Or sent to your office.

        • JJ

          You know, I almost wouldn’t care. If it was un opened maybe resell they can get pricey.

          • beauty for ashes

            Whoooo…..????? WH…wh..where? **laughs** How you gonna sell a maybe-unopened- maybe-not-used big old toy in a box? Garage sale? Craig’s list?

            • JJ

              let me check

            • JJ

              Yes you can… They have got to be unused or I am gonna barf…

            • JJ

              “*nicely packaged in an unlabeled bag”

              will not post photo.

              This one is even better

              “BE the first to review this product…”

  • Jimmy3

    who’s ready to get iron fisted
    edit: sorry wrong chats

    • beauty for ashes

      you know I upvoted, but maybe I should have asked what you meant first.
      Oh and did you get enough beer today Jimmy?

      • JJ

        Iron fisted is pretty much David Miscaviges operating procedure, but is it code for something kinky I have not found it. what is with the bear Russian something? Putin is ironfisted Trump is hamfistsed then what jello salad…

        • Kim O’Brien

          it’s a new show on Netflix . Also .

          • Jimmy3

            ^^ yeah shes ready

      • Jimmy3

        yes thank you.

    • Raises hand tentatively . . .

      • beauty for ashes

        raises tentacle handily….

  • Marcus Sawyer: Danny Masterson was in pretty Deep Ethics in 2003-2004.

    KEY at 8:30: Whenever Marcus Sawyer called Danny Masterson to sell him OEC volumes, the phone was answered by Sea Org terminals.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=35NQdeMZfgk

    HT – Incredulicide on WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/danny-masterson-rape-allegations-investigated-by-lapd.132720/#post-2605632

    /

    • Mick Roberts

      He may be in pretty Deep Shit in 2017.

      • JJ

        His own.

    • JJ

      Of course the celebs are out of touch with reality, they are told they are superior beings. So superior that a special organisation (church) will come in and clean up all their messes for them. Unless they are towards the church or cause the church undue negative PR. Then yur on your own.

      And I think he may be off when he says Scientology does not “promote” these beliefs: “women as property” etc. I would argue it does, tacitly if not openly. If in the church someone saying the Tech is wrong is evil, and there is something wrong with a seven year old girl not liking to be kissed by an older man, and that the ultimate in supreme being power is to able to rape a woman and her not know it (without using drugs) then what’s true for you (man) is true. Looks pretty much to me like they know they are doing wrong and are trying to marshal everything they can to defend and get away with it after the fact.
      Not new in cult world I guess. Yeah were better than you, we can do all these things yeah even bad things and it’s OK. Till we get caught then we run. Never changes.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        Scientology celebs are in a ‘double bubble.’ The bubble afforded by celebrity is inside the bubble imposed by Scientology.

        OT: ‘double bubble’ would be a good name for bubblegum.

  • outraged

    Wow.
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?43582-Marty-Rathbun-has-he-gone-silent&p=1135802&viewfull=1#post1135802

    Is it even remotely possible Miscavige is blackmailing Marty – threatening to take away his child?

    If so….well….

    • Sine qua non

      It’s a powerful post. Clearly, Miscarriage will do anything to protect his beingness, so who knows? What a horrible thing to contemplate.

    • ombrifuge

      I wonder if that scene in the Louis Theroux film was Marty’s first realiseation that his adoption might become a target? That was right before deposition that was posted here on Thursday I think.

      • outraged

        If this is true….well….what now?

  • i am desirous of using these sites to promote a security device […], I have a
    situation where I don’t want just ‘anyone’ to know about it, [..] So, I don’t know if your group is even appropriate, so I am
    comming this way rather than/before your standard steps.

    Mission accomplished, I’d say!

    This is your brain on $cientology.

    • Liberated

      Sounds scary.

  • OOkpik

    Sad farewell to “Flying High” (Darren Desepoli) and condolences to all who are missing him. May he soar on to greater heights.
    Peace go with you, Darren. <3

    High Flight

    Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
    And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
    Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
    Of sun-split clouds – and done a hundred things
    You have not dreamed of – wheeled and soared and swung
    High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there
    I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
    My eager craft through footless halls of air.
    Up, up the long delirious, burning blue,
    I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
    Where never lark, or even eagle flew –
    And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
    The high untresspassed sanctity of space,
    Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

    Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee

    • Missionary Kid

      Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee was an American serving with the Royal Canadian Air Force.

  • I Like Ham

    I play in a local bar trivia league and tonight my vast, useless knowledge of Scientology and its history (most of which I gleaned from this very website!) came in useful when we got a literature question asking which writer has a Guinness World Record as most published author. My teammates all snickered a bit buth then stopped and went “hmmm…”.

    • Missionary Kid

      Congratulations on the right answer for the Guinness game.

      There’s been some discussion about that category recently here in the Bunker. Much of what was published by LRH was the drivel that dropped from his lips and transcribed by others, then translated into many different languages. I believe that statistic is another hyped by Co$ and published by author services, which is essentially LRH vanity press. I believe that $cientology gamed Guinness to get the record. All of LRH’s writings should be classified as fiction, IIRC.

      Isaac Asimov published real books, both fiction and non-fiction, and many of his non-fiction books have received critical acclaim. The same can’t be said about LRH.

    • ReallyMGM

      Congrats! I wonder if any of the other teams in your bar got the answer correct? In fact, if it was national trivia league we play in, the same question was asked tonight all over the US. I wonder how many teams got it right?!?!

      • I Like Ham

        I wrote “local” but it’s through Challenge Entertainment so it really is national.

        • ReallyMGM

          Same one we do, so that question was asked at the same time on the same night all over the country. I wonder how many teams got the correct answer?

  • arnicus

    So, I’m new here at the bunker (but not so much new to Scientology and by no means an expert). Wondering if someone would be so kind as to answer a few questions:

    1) Who is slated to take DM’s place when he kicks the bucket? Is it someone we already know of, or could it potentially be an unknown person? He’s got to be grooming someone to ensure the church survives, one who will run things much like he does now.

    2) I listened to a podcast today (The Thinking Atheist) that featured a fantastic interview with Ron Miscavige. He shared anecdotes about the moments that confirmed his decision that there was something to Scientology. He talked about when he tried a technique taught to him by a practicing Scientologist on how to manage headaches. Some time later he found it worked when he was struck by a headache. Ron also shared how auditing helped a young DM’s terrible asthma almost overnight, and it was this “cure” that pretty much made up his mind about the church.

    My questions: What are these techniques they use? Is it some type of Neuro Linguistic Programming? Or something else that has some sort of placebo effect?

    Many thanks in advance.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, arnicus. As best I can, here are answers….

      1) Missmanage has removed and kicked out anyone who threatens his power. There is no succession plan in place. It’s likely that when Missmange is removed from power by death or incapacitation or other means, there will be a big internal battle over the cash and remaining members. (In that order!)

      2) The techniques that are used in $ci training rely on the person’s *belief* that they work. Sort of like the placebo effect. Same thing with the e-meter. If one believes it works, they will confess to anything because they think they will get caught if they lie. Read this for a better explanation of the techniques: http://www.xenu.net/archive/techniques/

      Highly recommended reading:
      https://scicrit.wordpress.com/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-series/

      Hope this helps. Both these websites have troves of useful information. Just remember to take a break and get back to the real world sometimes. 🙂

      ETA: Missmanage had a terrible asthma attack as an adult – long after his “cure” by the Hubbard “technology.” This is recorded by several witnesses and is the made-up legend behind his “Power Is Assumed” philosophy.

      • arnicus

        Thanks for that info, Juicer, along with the links. I started my reading up on Scientology at xenu.net back in 2007 or so, but haven’t been there in a while. I’ll have to go back since reigniting my fascination with all crazy things Scientology has me slightly obsessed again. Scicrit is a new one for me. Gotta get a pot of coffee going for that one.

        So, if he hasn’t outwardly tapped anyone to succeed him, I kinda wonder if he has directives that will be revealed upon death. Obviously, this man is highly insecure (among other things) and terrified of mutiny, but conversely he seems like the sort who would have all of his best laid plans locked away somewhere. But then I remember other facets of his personality, and think, this guy could probably give two turds about what happens after he’s gone; he only cares about the pre$ent.

        I practice law in Ohio, so I don’t know California’s laws regarding witnesses to advance directives and estate planning (and I shamefully admit, at the moment I’m too lazy to go look) but he may be able to stipulate certain commandments without anyone knowing or witnessing, not even his attorneys. It’s even more complicated since, as we all know, they have their designation as a “church.” That’s way different than handing down a business (even though we also know that’s pretty much what it is).

        Basically, he could potentially name so-and-so to take over, and no one else who’s chomping at the bit to take the reigns can say boo. Or, it could simply be what you mentioned–that he has no plans in place–and there will be an nasty internal battle! Who knows, maybe that will be what it takes to dismantle them.

        • Juicer77

          Good points. IMHO he has not and will not consider anything beyond his tenure as Dear Leader. There was some talk recently about Terry Gamboa (in Steve Cannane’s Fair Game book) having her name as a controlling signatory on the Religious Technology Committee. I think I have the terms mixed up but as an attorney your thoughts on that kind of legal setup would be very informative!

        • Juicer77

          PS Scicrit is written by our very own Once_Born. 🙂

    • Missionary Kid

      Hi Arnicus,

      If you read a lot more on $cientology, you’ll find that 1. Neither LRH nor DM really set up a formal means of succession. Indeed, the suspicion is that Miscavige used his position as a person relaying LRH’s orders and giving LRH the reports from $cientology to position himself to take over.

      I believe that DM is so paranoid of someone else pulling the same stunt on him that he has destroyed or demoted anyone who he perceives even comes close to his position. There is no real board of directors, just people who are named as such and under his control.

      2. As to any healing abilities in $cientology, Ron Miscavige is still under the influence of the “woo woo” (as James Randi, famous atheist and debunker calls magical thinking) of $cientology. Here’s what Randi had to say about L.Ron Hubbard. https://whyweprotest.net/threads/scientology-james-randi-on-l-ron-hubbard.96995/

      I would recommend that you check out Chris Shelton’s YouTube channel, and go to xenu.net and read.

      If you read the book that $cientologists are always trying to sell, Dianetics, you will find that Hubbard made all sorts of claims about a person going clear: Perfect memory, eyesight, hearing, the ability to cure oneself of diseases. The claims match those of a faith healer, but $cientology gets a lot more money for it. If you’re not cured, you’re not doing it right, so it’s your fault, so you need to do more auditing/take courses. At the same time, you will note all of the $cientolgists who need glasses or other health aids who are at the highest OT levels.

      He also maintains that a baby in the womb can understand what its parents are saying, and he paints a picture that is of a brutal marriage. He also taught that children are simply little adults, a concept that goes back to the middle ages, and which we know is not true.

      Auditing supposedly removes the engrams that one has accumulated from the womb on, and, indeed, past lives. It supposedly then enables a person to live a better life. In reality, it’s all directed to make a person think that the e-meter actually captures one’s thoughts. Indeed, all it does is captures a person’s reaction to a stimulus, and the fact that a person’s grip on the cans can alter the reading makes it easy to mislead the machine and the auditor.

      All an e-meter does is measure galvonic skin response. At least, when that is measured on a polygraph, (and that measurement is only one physiological measurement used), the leads are clipped to the fingers so that it is harder for a person to mask a reaction. I should point out that a polygraph cannot be used as evidence in a court of law because it isn’t that reliable, and its accuracy is dependent on the skill of the operator and the possibility that it can be fooled.

      You will note that you can get the same types of cures from faith healers. It was David Miscavige that supposedly was cured of asthma, but, like all the other claims made by $cientology, there’s no evidence, other than anecdotal, that he was cured. Indeed, if you read Ron’s book, you will see that little Davy was growing up in a tense, unhappy home, and what can be a strong component in childhood asthma is tension.

      LRH stated that smoking prevents cancer. He offered no scientific proof for any of his claims, only anecdotal stories that cannot be confirmed. Indeed, the public record puts the lie to any claims that LRH made that Dianetics cured him of any war wounds. He was, simply, an incompetent naval officer who would have been court martialed if it had been peacetime for shelling a Mexican Island and creating an international incident. He was never in battle, aside from depth charging a magnetic anomaly that he insisted was a Japanese submarine.

      If you go to xenu.net, you will find a raft of information on $cientology and LRH.

      • arnicus

        Thank you for this comprehensive answer. Much obliged.

        So wait, if Ron Miscavige is still a believer in the “woo woo” (gotta love James Randi!) then does that make him squirrel? Is he really still practicing? I haven’t cracked open his book yet, so of course I’ve no idea if he is or not. But then again, I have to wonder would any of those who escaped openly admit to this.

        • Missionary Kid

          I believe that Ron Miscavige Sr. still does believe in the “tech”, to a certain extent. He obviously isn’t “on lines” because he hasn’t asked for any services from from Co$. What would make him a squirrel is practicing $cientology in a way other than designated by Co$.

          The Indies claim that David Miscavige is the squirrel. Ron seems to feel that his son has turned into a ruthless meanie. He doesn’t really get into the Co$ “theology”.

    • flyonthewall

      it’s basically visualization exercises, self hypnosis

  • OOkpik

    Good morning.
    For those of you suffering hangovers this morning, the Bunker offers strong coffee and hair of the- – -cat.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c1eb59cbeb2c64c3d9ab61c60a6aba2babda218eab68a170d1c6ad79103c00c.jpg Sorry. 🙂

  • Tony Ortega

    About that Marcus Sawyer video. I’ll just point out that we already know Danny Masterson’s “Victim B” went to the LAPD in 2004 — I literally provided the LAPD police report from that investigation in the March 3 story — so the observation that Masterson was in some “ethics trouble” that year is not much of a revelation. We know he would have been in trouble by the very fact that the LAPD was investigating him then.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks, Tony. I’m waiting for your 7am post in a few minutes.

    • I’m making this comment on a now old post with the understanding it is unlikely anyone will see it, but will do it for the record anyway. The only thing new I saw in the Marcus Sawer video is statement that Sea Org terminals always answered the phone for Danny Masterson. Otherwise, the video was just a bit of confirmation.

  • Tony Ortega

    I see there’s more wild speculation going on. I’ll just point out that an adoption probationary period tends to be six months, which would end in May 2014 for an adoption taking place in November 2013. So not really sure how much that says about the firing of attorneys in January 2016 and dismissal of a lawsuit in May 2016. But, you know, fun theory.

    • Missionary Kid

      Usually, if there is any fraudulent information that is presented by a person applying for something, it invalidates the thing granted. The only thing that would still threaten the adoption beyond the probationary period is if $cientology knew what was in the application and had some information that could show that the adoption application was fraudulent.

      On the basis of fraud, marriages are annulled and citizenship is revoked, and I would imagine that adoptions could be reversed. It takes a trial to do that, though.

  • Sibs

    Wait, when did the Valley Org start looking like that?

    • Missionary Kid

      They’ve been working on it furiously over the past month or so.

      How are you doing?

      • Sibs

        I was having weird dreams so I decided to catch up on my Bunker reading for a little while. Once I read the next post I may go back to bed. My boyfriend is snoring…

        • Missionary Kid

          Go back to bed when you’re done. I’m going to bed when I get done.

          I hope he makes you happy in spite of the snoring, and that your life in Georgia is going well.