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Source: Scientology made Danny Masterson’s Victim B search past lives to explain being raped

[Danny Masterson in 2003]

Last week, the Underground Bunker revealed that the Los Angeles Police Department is investigating That ’70s Show actor Danny Masterson in three cases of rape or sodomy of women who, like Masterson himself, were members of the Church of Scientology. Hours after our story appeared, the LAPD itself confirmed that it was investigating the three cases of sexual assault.

Once again, we want to emphasize that Masterson has not been charged with a crime, and he has put out a statement denying any wrongdoing. Meanwhile, in a Feb. 22 letter to LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, the person we’re calling Victim A complained that the investigation has been plagued with mistakes and inaction caused, she believes, by the LAPD’s relationship with the Church of Scientology.

That first story, on March 3, included details about Victim A’s case that she spelled out in her letter to Chief Beck. On March 8, we told the story of the woman we’re calling Victim C.

Today, we’re detailing the story of Victim B after talking with a woman who worked in the victim’s family business at the time, when all of them were members of the Church of Scientology. Our source says the victim and her family constantly shared details of what Victim B was going through in the weeks and months after the incident, which took place on April 25, 2003.

“I was intimately aware of what was going on at the time. She and her mother would talk about all the details in front of me,” says our source, who asked us not to name her out of fear of retaliation from the church, which she no longer belongs to.

She agrees with the witness we spoke to in our March 3 story, that Victim B went to a party at Masterson’s house. “Later in the night, when there were fewer people, Danny brought her a drink. And that was the last that she had full consciousness — and she didn’t even finish the drink he brought her.”

At some point, Masterson tossed Victim B into his jacuzzi, and then, with her feeling drowsy, carried her upstairs to his room. Victim B told her family friend that she was in and out of consciousness, but at one point she found herself under Masterson as he was having sex with her. When she tried to get out from under him, he choked her — a claim that is also made in the official LAPD police report. She later came to and found herself in a closet.

“It took weeks for her to come to grips with what happened, and then she went to the church,” our source says. At the time, Victim B was supposed to be working on what is known in Scientology as “OT Preps.” They are exercises and interrogations to prepare the Scientologist for the legendary “Operating Thetan” auditing levels, high-end levels that can cost tens of thousands of dollars each. Before starting on OT 1, however, OT Preps is required, and it would involve intense questioning about all kinds of private matters. The questioning was scheduled to occur at the “Advanced Organization” which is part of the Los Angeles complex on Fountain Avenue colloquially known as “Big Blue.”

 

[The Advanced Organization of Los Angeles; Scientology publicity photo]

 
Knowing that she would be interrogated about private matters, Victim B volunteered to an ethics officer at AOLA, a Scientologist named Julian Swartz, her claim that she had been raped by Danny Masterson. Swartz then ordered an “ethics program” for her, telling Victim B that she would be declared a “suppressive person” if she went to the police.

Being declared “SP” in Scientology is like a death sentence. All other Scientologists who wish to remain in good standing with the church must cut off all ties to an SP, even if that means splitting up a family or causing a couple to divorce. For Victim B, like many Scientologists who grow up in the church, it would mean being cast out by nearly every person she knew.

The ethics program designed by Swartz involved interrogating Victim B on her “whole track.” Scientologists believe that we are each immortal beings who have lived countless times along a “whole track of existence,” and one goal of Scientology auditing is to “remember” what has happened thousands or millions of years ago during lives that might have taken place on other planets. Victim B’s assignment was to look for bad things she had done to other people during her past lives that would result in her being victimized by Masterson in this lifetime.

The interrogations happened off and on for months, costing Victim B tens of thousands of dollars that she had on account with the church for her OT levels.

At some point during that questioning, Victim B wrote up a report about Masterson and what he had done on the night of the party. Masterson then wrote his own “Things That Should Not Be” report, in which he reportedly admitted to choking her, but said she seemed to enjoy rough sex. (Our source points out that such a report would still be on file with the Hollywood Celebrity Centre.)

Then, the day after Christmas 2003, Swartz handed Victim B a “Non-Enturbulation Order,” which was another way of saying that she was on the verge of being declared suppressive. The order reassigned her to the Hollywood Celebrity Centre for more questioning, and if she didn’t go every day, she would be declared SP.

Our source says this terrified Victim B, because it meant there was a significant chance that she might run into Masterson there. Also, with the “Non-Enturb” order, she was told that if she caused any problems or concerns for anyone — including Masterson — she would be declared SP. And so, for example, one day at the Celebrity Centre when she ran into actress Laura Prepon, she had to smile and pretend everything was OK, and was frightened that if Prepon wrote a report saying that she was concerned about Victim B, it could get her declared.

The interrogation at Celebrity Centre was even more aggressive, and our source remembers that Victim B had lost about ten pounds during the process. And she wasn’t “metabolizing” properly, according to the E-meter, so she would have to go sleep somewhere, usually on the floor, and eat something before her questioning could continue.

The questioning went on for many weeks, and during that time, Victim B was told that church officials wanted her to meet with Masterson. But she refused.

Then later, a meeting was arranged, and to get Victim B to agree, the meeting was to be held not at the Celebrity Centre or another church facility but at Rev. Alfreddie Johnson’s World Literacy Crusade in Compton.

Rev. Johnson was a Baptist minister who had gotten involved in Scientology after the 1992 Los Angeles riots, and then had opened the World Literacy Crusade, which made use of L. Ron Hubbard’s “study technology.” (The WLC was disbanded more recently after several of its officials — but not Rev. Johnson — were arrested and are facing felony charges in a scheme to file fraudulent insurance claims with the state of California using unwitting high school students.)

So on a spring day in 2004, Victim B arrived at a room at the WLC in Compton where she was greeted by Rev. Johnson, a friend of Masterson’s named Luke Watson, and Kirsten Caetano, a powerful official in Scientology’s intelligence wing, the Office of Special Affairs.

Masterson was then brought in, our source says. She explains that Victim B had been told that the Scientology executives believed that Masterson needed to hear directly from Victim B what had happened so he could “confront” it properly. He was instructed to listen quietly as Victim B recounted the incident.

She got to the point of describing when Masterson was on top of her, and she remembered reaching for a lamp, hoping to use it to hit him and knock him off. He had responded by choking her to keep her from reaching it.

And at that point in the meeting, our source says, Masterson couldn’t keep quiet.

“I loved that lamp. I didn’t want you to break it,” he joked.

“The other people in the room really reacted angrily at Danny for joking, and they pulled him out of the room,” our source says, relating what she heard from Victim B. “But then they brought him back in and tried to keep going with it. But then he told another joke, and then Alfreddie said it was over.”

After the disastrous meeting, Victim B heard from a friend about someone else being attacked by Masterson. And that’s when she became determined to report her incident to the LAPD.

On June 6, 2004 as the police report indicates, Victim B filed her account of the attack. Two of the people who were listed as witnesses in the investigation were Masterson’s publicist, Jenni Weinman, who had taken Victim B to the party at Masterson’s house, and Julian Swartz, the Scientology “Master at Arms” who had overseen the “ethics program” of interrogations.

 

 
By July, however, the LAPD told her that they had been “bombarded” by an attorney representing Masterson, and the church had sent numerous witnesses to contradict Victim B and support Masterson. Unless another victim came forward, she was told, the investigation was being closed.

A few weeks later, in August 2004, Victim B was approached by Masterson’s attorney, who brought her a hand-written letter of apology from the actor. She was then asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) so that she would never make her allegations public, and in return would receive payments totaling in the low six figures, our source says.

Once again, Victim B was put under pressure by the church, told by Julian Swartz that he had an SP declare order written up and would sign it if she did not sign the NDA with Masterson.

“Instead of signing that agreement, she should have gotten some honest to God therapy. But she wasn’t allowed to get therapy because she was a Scientologist,” our source says. With no real choice, Victim B signed the NDA.

No NDA, however, can keep someone from reporting a crime. And after Victim A was encouraged by Leah Remini to come forward with her allegations last November, the LAPD found Victim B’s case in its files, and then contacted her as it reopened her case along with its investigation of allegations by Victim A and Victim C.

Yesterday, we called the Advanced Org of Los Angeles and asked to speak with Julian Swartz. We were told that he was unavailable, but we left a message.

We wanted to talk to Swartz not only about the interrogations he reportedly put Victim B through after she shared her allegations of rape with him, but also his role in another incident we’ve written about here at the Underground Bunker.

Occurring about the same time, the other incident involved the molestation of several young girls by the teenage son of a woman who ran a day care for Scientology families. In that story, we described how an ethics officer named Julian “handled” the mothers of the victimized girls, making sure that they did not press charges.

We will now reveal that the Julian in our story about the day care was, in fact, Julian Swartz, who is named as a witness in Victim B’s police report and who, our source says, forced Victim B to spend months sifting through her past lives looking for evil deeds that would explain why she would be raped in our current century.

Just imagine what interesting testimony and documents Mr. Swartz might give, if the LAPD or some other law enforcement agency bothered to pay him a visit.

 
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Dani Lemberger on Rathbun’s turn

Thursday we told you about a February 20 courtroom scene in Tel Aviv when the partner in a major law firm there, Mattan Ben Shaul, said in open court that he had contacted Marty Rathbun on behalf of the Church of Scientology and obtained from him an email that Dani Lemberger sent in private to the former church official in 2013. Lemberger was unable to comment for that story because his lawsuit was still in settlement negotiations. Yesterday, those negotiations were completed (the terms of which are not being disclosed), and Lemberger sent us this message about Rathbun turning over his private message for the church to use against him.

Hey Tony, Shabbat Shalom,

Not much I can say about Marty. I was surprised by the Church’s attorney presenting the email from Marty but I don’t see it had much impact. It gave them satisfaction that they had something on me. I laughed at the very bizarre twist.

The next day I wrote Marty an email, see below. He didn’t respond. He did answer you when you asked him about it.

Marty and Tami and I spent a week together at their home in June 2012. That got us declared. I stayed in comm with Marty the next year or so, until mid-2013. He became weird and “anti-Indie Scientology,” so the correspondence ended.

There was never a real upset between us, he has no reason to want to hurt me. Only if he is now working with David Miscavige and being paid by Miscavige would he give any info to a lawyer in Israel he doesn’t know.

That’s all I know about this. Regards, Dani

Hello Marty, how are you?

It’s been a long time since we were last in comm.

A lot has been happening at my end, Tami and I have a lovely granddaughter, Dror Center is busy, we are doing well and are still working hard trying to make a better world.

How are you? How’s Mosey and your son?

I have finished reading some time ago your book, Memoirs of a Scn Warrior. What a story! I know you’ve been through a lot, I hope you are well and life is comfortable.

As you know, my lawsuit is going through the court in Israel. There was a hearing yesterday with myself cross-examined by the Church’s lawyer, Matan Ben-Shaul. He took me by surprise when he mentioned he had been in comm with you concerning the lawsuit and then presented to the court an e-mail I wrote to you in 2013. In this mail I told you of something that came up in my auditing at Flag, concerning David Miscavige.

I don’t think this e-mail has a major impact on the proceedings. Still this was upsetting to me since I did not expect you would act in any way to hurt me or help the Church against me. I’m just wondering about this, what made you give them my private letter to you. Of course, you have a right to do with your correspondence as you see fit but maybe you can tell me more about this.

Please let me hear back from you. Best reagrds, Dani

 

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Steven Mango sent us this shot from last night’s opening of Louis Theroux’s My Scientology Movie in Los Angeles. That’s him with Tiponi Grey. Go catch the movie if you get a chance!

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,687 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,790 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,284 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,324 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,036 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 503 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,621 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,791 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,111 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,086 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 442 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,744 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 851 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,253 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,126 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 707 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,212 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,456 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,565 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 11, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

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  • nottrue
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Perfect for the Valley. A dull, bland box with a name pasted on it.

  • Jimmy3

    I now dub thee DJ Swineshit Swartz. Come forward and be heard, scumbag.

    • Missionary Kid

      Oops, the sword slipped. I swear.

      • Rasha

        *slips on ear*

  • Rasha

    Oh Oh Oh! Speaking of Danny Masterson, Rasha was researching his artistic portfolio and creative achievements. Utilizing high-capacity, ultra-high conductive gold alloy wires, Taser’s 30 million volt Masturbson® model delivers a real Donkey Punch of raw electricity to the target DJ, disrupting any electrical flow in the nervous system and overstimulating the nerve endings, resulting in blinding pain, burning of flesh at contact points and damaged muscles.

    The newly designed cartridges, with enhanced DM-Trajectory tech and 4.7 times the range, have 4 Harpoon-Nettle Barb® pairs each, enabling four full-power shots per cartridge. This limitation has been addressed with rapid cartridge swapping pins, and the Taser can be recharged and ready to fire within 3 seconds. The only reason to stop tasing is the number of cartridges in your bandolier. The barbs have been laser cut to a form that will continually work their way into the target as he convulses.

    The unit is also expected to accomodate the proposed TaseNet®, which will be designed to envelop the target DJ in a mesh of white lightning, and really toast those curly hairs.

    Also, Danny Masterson is a turd.

    • Kestrel

      Somebody please occasionally remind Kestrel to not piss off Rasha.

      • Rasha

        #^_^#

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ll start. Don’t piss off Rasha!

        • Kestrel

          Thank you. To think I was this close…

    • chukicita

      You seem to have thought this through.

      • Rasha

        Can’t wait for the next revelation. Muahahaha…..

  • Juicer77

    Catching up. Haven’t read the comments yet. Not at all surprising but still disgusting and horrific that the Co$ would blame the victim.

    How do we know about Masterson’s “Things That Should Not Be” report? Inside source?

  • Oh dear, if only Snortimer had been able to get a landing-permit, he could’ve warned the Lembergers in time…. (re-stock with turkey-bacon?): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/514f63adf3342a57fdd9e883ce54a378179d913b497d180ba5e241200cf645ea.jpg

  • Sherbet

    There’s an interview with Louis Theroux in people dot com. Just look for it amid all the Big, Exciting Stories About Mama June! The Duggars! The Kardashians! and you’ll find it.

    • Jimmy3

      Oh god. I feel like Andy Dufresne crawling through the pipe

      • Sherbet

        I hear ya.

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s a great fucking metaphor!

  • UhLasare

    Horribly disgusting behavior on the part of the Co$ and its minions. This is so criminal.

  • Glen

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/03/10/my-scientology-movie-alleged-trainings/98903476/

    Lots of stories coming up about My Scientology Movie because of its USA opening. This one in USA Today has garnered one typical comment by $ci adherent

    “I really don’t know why people would want 2nd hand info from a questionable person like Rathburn. If you want the truth go to the source and check it out.”

    P.S.: The source he refers to in LRH, not Tony Ortega.

    • UhLasare

      Someone should post some choice quotes from “source”.

    • madame duran

      If the Scientology “source(s)” refuses to be interviewed on camera, avoids answering direct questions or in any other way decides to NOT participate voluntarily, then what good is that advice?

      • Glen

        Just head on down to your local Idle Org and purchase a copy of Dianetics and sign up for a course. Don’t believe anything else.

    • JaxNGold

      I went to reply to him but it wouldn’t let me. Anyone else have trouble replying to his post? Perhaps it’s something wrong w/ my iPhone or whatever else…dunno.

  • Glen

    http://ew.com/movies/2017/03/10/my-scientology-movie-ew-review/

    Review of My Scientology Movie in Entertainment Weekly. This is the last paragraph of the review:

    “Which was an insight missing in Alex Gibney’s adaptation of Lawrence Wright’s book, Going Clear. That documentary, in order to assure participation of apostates I suppose, never really challenged any of them in the way Theroux does Rathbun. Gibney tended to treat the ex-Scientologists as victims—and in Going Clear‘s worst scene, he features a whole montage of former church members laughing and crowing about the religion’s crazy sci-fi precepts…the ones that they all believed for decades. That is deeply uninteresting as journalism. Theroux dispenses with the gratuitous mocking of the religion itself (is its backstory really any weirder than, say, Noah?) and his low-key approach yields honest moments of insight about the complexities of confronting another person’s faith. His conclusions about the power of doctrine are, ironically, transcendent. And for its imagination and open-mindedness, My Scientology Movie is one of the best documentaries of the year.”

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Theroux dispenses with the gratuitous mocking of the religion itself (is its backstory really any weirder than, say, Noah?)”

      Why yes…yes indeed, it’s waaaay weirder than the biblical tale of Noah and the Great Flood! Trouble is, $cn’s infinitely whacked space opera cosmology is so utterly weird and beyond belief that most folks who stumble upon it can’t imagine how anyone could take it for truth, so they dismiss that possibility.

      Add to that all the secrecy and bald-faced lying about the cult’s core space alien beliefs and you’ve got the perfect recipe for disbelief by those who are insufficiently well-informed.

      • Glen

        I take your point but I wouldn’t have any problem with this weirdest of backstories if it weren’t directly tied into the abusive actions, including bald-faced lying, undertaken. People can believe what they want and it is often a derail when folks start debating who has the goofiest origin stories and why all “religions” are basically the same.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I agree, keeping our eyes on what’s most important here is the best way to approach the vast and overwhelmingly complex subject of $cn.

          Many religions have core beliefs that are implausible and empirically unsupported in the same way as $cn. But it’s not the inner beliefs that folks maintain in their own personal heads that’s of concern to others; it’s their actions and there effect upon others that is.

          Focusing in on the goofy and ridiculousness of this cult’s obviously made up sci-fi nonsense almost makes $cilons appear merely daft and more in need of a conservator than a prison sentence. However, to underestimate the amount of harm and true evil that they’re capable of is a huge mistake.

          Let them believe what they like, but prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law when they engage in the kind of crimes and officially sanctioned cover ups that we’ve been documenting here!

          • Glen

            Yes. Yes! YES!!!

        • JaxNGold

          Exactly. I don’t give a damn what $cientologists believe. Everyone has a right to believe in whatever religion they choose. But that’s NOT the problem. The myriad abuses and criminal activity must stop. That’s what this is about.

  • Shivani33

    Who is reading here who knows Masterson personally? Who is reading here who works with him or is involved with him socially? If you are one who is in this situation, what do you feel about it? What do you think about Masterson right now?

    Will you decide to ask him questions, to confront him? Or will you decide to end any ties to him? Will you tell yourself that since Masterson hasn’t been arrested so far that you’re going to ignore victims A, B and C? Are you going to close ranks to protect Masterson? Are you going to step away from him, yet remain silent? Are you no longer able to trust him to be anywhere near your daughters and any female relatives, friends or colleagues?

    Or are you going to high-five him and to express concern for Danny’s lamp?

    • chukicita

      Whatever Keeps Scientology Working is the correct response.

    • madame duran

      Nice questions for Ashton Kutcher to answer.
      As for Masterson’s fellow Scientologists…they’re just as cowardly, insensitive and brainwashed as he. They probably think that the allegations are a “psych” ploy against righteous Scientology.

  • Rasha

    Steve Mango and Tiponi “ShhhBAP!!” Grey… So cool….

  • ombrifuge

    I wonder I feel Tom Cruise is aware of this going on? Wonder if this (or anything for that matter) could make him start thinking rationally?

    • Jimmy3

      Hahahahaha. You’re silly. I like that.

      • Frodis73

        Hey, guess what I saw on wkyc this morning? Twice too. A freaking commercial for NarCONon! I wrote the station about it telling them what’s what.

        • Rasha

          On my Channel 3?????? THANK YOU for writing them, Frodis!!! There is still hope for Rasha’s childhood memories…

        • Jimmy3

          Dammit! I’m gonna tell Jim Donovan personally.

    • Observer

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he had some rather nasty skeletons in his closet. Most Scientologists seem to.

    • This is the man whose ‘Church’ auditioned wives for him without telling puzzled women what was going on. It’s not too much of a stretch to go from that to pandering for the likes of Masterson.

    • Rasha

      INTERIOR

      SFX KEYBOARD CLICKING

      DARK ROOM WITH LARGE WINDOWS, LIT BY LAPTOP SCREEN AND CITY LIGHTS

      CLOSEUP CAMERA PAN ACROSS BUNKER WEBPAGE ON LAPTOP. SLOW PAN TO TOM’S FACE. HE IS IN SHOCK.

      LOW SHOT OF TOM AGAINST FULL-WALL WINDOW FULL OF CITY LIGHTS. HE IS HUNCHED OVER WITH AWFUL REALIZATION.

      TOM: Can it be true? Danny… Danny, no. You’ve made it all clear.

      CLOSEUP OF TOM’S HAND. VALOR MEDAL FREEDOM OF AWESOME MEDAL SLOWLY SLIPS AND UNRAVELS AND FALLS

      (SFX CLANK)

      CLOSEUP TOM FACE. HE CLENCHES HIS FACE

      TOM: Damn you, Dave! It’s all a lie! A lie!

      MUSIC SWELLS. PULL BACK. EXTERIOR PULL BACK FROM WINDOW. TOM IS SOBBING AGAINST WINDOW. PAN ACROSS CITY.

      TOM (in distance): I’ll stop you Dave! You lied to me!!!!!

      ……. nah.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It’s just too implausible.

        Write another where he clings to the side of a plane taking off.

        • Rasha

          EXTERIOR

          TOM IS SOMEHOW HANGING FROM A PLANE TAKING OFF AT 150 MPH RESULTING IN AIR PRESSURES THAT WOULD SEPARATE A NORMAL HUMAN’S FINGER JOINTS AND TURN THEIR EYELIDS INSIDE OUT

          TOM: This….. this is… for… you… Dave……..

        • Rasha

          *sigh* I’ll keep working on “Masterson: A Thousand Tasings”. It’s an anime series based on a real incident I’ve been working on…

        • GrangerFX

          The last Scientologist on earth sat alone in a room.
          There was a knock on the door.
          “Land thetan!”

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I picture two Scientologists, the last two, sitting in their rockers on the Front Porch of Infinity, and spending their final days writing KRs on each other.

            • GrangerFX

              Different rooms since they would have disconnected from each other long ago.

        • GrangerFX
      • Observer

        That’s less plausible than Lafayette’s talking Magellanic clouds.

        • Rasha

          Yes… musn’t stray so far from reality….

      • chukicita

        At first I thought this was a new Marvel character introduction…Theta man !

        • Rasha

          ThetaMan! His SooperPower draws from the confines of Isolation. The Words of Validation spoken by the Chosen, sent by DM… “You are Great. You are the Best. Only You can Help at an Auto Accident. How about a Check. Half a Million should Do for This Week. You are Perfect.”

  • Robert Ramsay

    Ok so Danny Masterson, David Miscaviage, Mike Ellis and Julian Swartz are in a lift boat and it capsizes. Who survives ?
    The human race.

    • Missionary Kid

      Snickersnort!!!! (Forgive me. I used exclamation point tech. No, I haven’t gone over to the dark side).

    • Glen

      Funny, seems like a reworking of an old attorney joke.

      • Missionary Kid

        Two attorney jokes. I’ve told them before. The one you are referring to is, I believe-
        What do you call a thousand attorneys at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.

        A man, standing at the front of a bar, speaks up, and, in a loud voice says, :”Attorneys are assholes.”

        A voice from the back of the bar yells back, “I resent that.”

        “Why, are you an attorney?”

        “No. I’m an asshole.”

        • Glen

          Ha, with apologies to all the great people in the Bunker and elsewhere who are attorneys (including my daughter, son-in-law, and soon to enter law school son).

          Q: Why did New Jersey get all the toxic waste and California all the lawyers?
          A: New Jersey got to pick first.

          • Rasha

            *giggling*

          • Jgg2012

            A Frenchman, a Cuban, A cult leader and a Californian businessman are on a train. The Frenchman pours everyone a glass of wine and throws the bottle out the window. The businessman is shocked. “Oh, don’t worry” says the Frenchman. “We have more wine than we know what to do with.” The Cuban then hands everyone a cigar, and throws the rest out the window. Again the California businessman is shocked, so the Cuban says “oh, don’t worry, in Cuba we have more cigars than we know what to do with.” So the California businessman stands up, grabs the cult leader and tosses him out the window.

            • Noallball

              Chortle, chortle.

            • Jgg2012

              Know what the definition of “cruel and unusual punishment” is? Being in a room full of Scientology celebrities.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Danny Masterson, David Miscaviage, Mike Ellis and Julian Swartz are caught with their pants down after getting busted out for lying under oath in a case involving the cover up of multiple incidents of child molestation by a $cilon. Instead of taking responsibility for their crimes and serving their prison sentences they decide to end it all by taking a swan dive off of the top of Tom Cruise’s not-yet completed Clearwater penthouse.

      So, what do you call it?…a damned good start!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T Fascinating and sad
    The implosion of another abusive and exploitative cult: The Children of God

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/11/children-of-god-church-sex-cult-texas-mexico-fbi

    In other news, the sebaceous cyst has made a remarkable return in recent
    showings in spring collections in Milan, Paris and New York.
    Dior, Givenchy, Chanel and Jean Paul Gaultier are among the
    haute couture houses to feature it.
    It hadn’t been seen to grace the catwalk since the last century.
    It has, however, become fully embodied in DJ Crotch Rat, the only known
    example of an ambulant sebaceous cyst.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/146141664b46b3747e4b1e5392d4001f0986d672a927f86d972560d8037ad5fe.jpg

    I had to dig out my snowshoes and walk away from the Bunker for a while.
    Only 4-legged predators where I went.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b4f6ba033bd022cd2f35924bdeb7769c61922e08bd6fc1db94d9f7ab3598fef6.jpg

    • Susan black

      yeah, it’s the two legged prey that are really dangerous.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ugh, the Children of God–aka The Family–are horrid. I watched a documentary a while back–“Children of God: Lost and Found”–about a group of 2nd generation brothers who’d defected from the cult, and their struggles to integrate into society and try to reconcile with their mother (who stayed in the cult). It was heartbreaking.

      This quote below from the article you linked to grabbed me. It’s not a big revelation, as those of us who watch scientology have come to understand–from hearing the stories of the exes in our group especially–how difficult this struggle can be. But whenever I think about it–really think about it, and try to feel what that must feel like–it just kills me. How lonely and frightening it must be to feel so adrift in the world and unsure of not only your place in it, but who you even are, at your core. Getting thru something like this is the mark of a strong and honest soul. It reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite authors, Jeannette Winterson: “Only the very brave could live with themselves.”
      ***************************************************************
      Dr Marlene Winell, a psychologist who studies religious indoctrination, says it can take a long time for former members of cults or extreme religious groups to feel comfortable in their new reality.

      “It’s a common thing to feel like you have to adjust to the secular world because there are so many expectations and behavior patterns that you’re not familiar with,” says Winell. She says it can take them a long time to leave those groups, especially if they were born into them. “They also are reconstructing who they are. If I’m not a cult member or a member of this religion, then who am I?”

  • Jgg2012

    Why didn’t Masterson undergo searching of his own past lives to find out why he is a rapist?

    • Missionary Kid

      Because he gives more money.

    • grundoon

      If the incident didn’t upset him, and the victim kept quiet about it, Scientology would not see it as a problem.

      • Missionary Kid

        If he talked about it in session, it would be noted for future blackmail.

    • Rasha

      Please come this way now. Just through this door.

  • Dave Reams

    “(a) Sodomy is sexual conduct consisting of contact between the penis of one person and the anus of another person. Any sexual penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the crime of sodomy
    […]
    (f) Any person who commits an act of sodomy, and the victim is at the time unconscious of the nature of the act and this is known to the person committing the act, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for three, six, or eight years. As used in this subdivision, “unconscious of the nature of the act” means incapable of resisting because the victim meets one of the following conditions:

    (1) Was unconscious or asleep.

    (2) Was not aware, knowing, perceiving, or cognizant that the act occurred”

    http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/penal-code/pen-sect-286.html

    • To classify this as sodomy, rather than a sexual assault involving penetration is to wildly under-charge the offense. Usually an accused is wildly over-charged.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Not saying this is necessarily the case here, but many big city PDs are constantly being evaluated on the basis of the increase or decrease in the number of reported crimes in certain selected crime categories, like murder and rape. So, one way of showing a reduction in a particular crime stat is to categorize reported crimes as being something other than what they actually are. For example, in this case, instead of writing it up as a rape report, the officer may have chosen to classify it as sodomy because it’s not one of key crime stats that are used to evaluate the department’s overall performance.

        You’re absolutely right, it’s a completely bogus maneuver, but it can occur for reasons that many would never suspect if they weren’t already clued into the possibility…and let’s not even get into a discussion of the literally thousands of rape kits that have been backlogged for testing, sometimes for years.

        • angela73

          Bingo! I live in a small town in KY, and even our PD are pulling it. They won’t even respond to property crimes unless you demand it, otherwise they tell you to call your insurance co. I can’t imagine how large cities are manipulating crime stats.

        • Sure, but there are surrounding circumstances that all point a different way in this particular instance.

      • Dave Reams

        Could the length of time between the crime and investigstion (years, not hours) have anything to do with this? Consentual or not, anal sex is still a crime (in California? in 2017? Watch out Ron Jeremy! They have you on tape!)

    • Observer

      And I still cannot understand why the forcible, nonconsensual sexual
      penetration of any part of one person’s body with any object or part of
      another person’s body is deemed less criminal than the forcible,
      nonconsensual insertion of a penis into a vagina. This kind of legal
      distinction is pure crap. Rape is rape is rape. Period.

      • chukicita

        Men wrote the law. Now it makes sense, right?

        • Observer

          No, but it’s an explanation.

      • Dave Reams

        I agree. Relative penalties aside, I guess the law needs to be detailed and specific in order to be “fair” (ha!).

        Wrestling a person to the ground fully clothed and grinding your pelvis against theirs until you orgasm – rape or assault?

        Forcibly rubbing your genitals against a victims foot until … – rape or assault?

        Putting your hand up the skirt and pressing your tiny fingers into the vulva of an unknown woman sitting next to you in a New York nightclub … ?

  • flyonthewall

    Everywhere I go some kind of horrible stench follows me. I think a stink demon is trying to possess me

    • Rasha

      …do you move slightly faster, just before you notice it?

      • flyonthewall

        yes

        • Rasha

          Ah. Um. Do you feel slightly better overall, despite the demon’s presence?

          • flyonthewall

            I guess so. Pretty ok. I could use some juice, that’d be nice

            • Rasha

              Sure. Here ya go. I only have cranberry. But, yeah, it’s your carburetor. You’re running a little rich. Check your plugs for carbon and as long as the timing’s good, you should be all set.

    • Graham

      You may have trodden in some Masterson?

      • Rasha

        CODE 2319!!!

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton
      • Rasha

        …the poodle chews it…. So I’ve been told.

        • Helen Van Patterson Patton

          “Nothing but the best for my dog” 😉

        • chukicita

          You do know back in the Jurassic halcyon days of a.r.s. we used to call capt. Blackheart ‘the poodle’ or IIRC, ‘poodleboy.’

          Come to think of it, we also called him * .

          • Rasha

            This is a history lesson Rasha is lovin’….

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I have heard that.

  • Rasha

    So, it’s a frozen lovely sky today, and another amazing sunset is in the works. For now, I’ll click the heart and step out later for a few pics of the orange evening.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Spring has arrived in England. The sun is shining and everything is green. It’s past 11pm and I’m sitting here with the windows and back door open to let in the soft breeze and it even smells like Spring, if Spring has a smell.

      Now if the shit heads leaving the pub up the road three sheets to the wind could just keep the racket down I would be even happier 😀

      • Liberated

        Our time changes tomorrow….does yours?

      • Rasha

        Spring does have a smell, a feel and a sound. 11pm breezes that don’t chill you are the most comforting. (16°F here at the moment, though, and only 6:30 pm)

        …Unfortunately, the shitheads outside the pub up the street also have a smell, feel and sound…. ^_^ I feel for ya, Andrea!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          They’ve cleared off now. I think they could sense my pointed glare through the walls.

          • Rasha

            VWD 😉

      • Jgg2012

        Are you near St. Hill?

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          No 🙂

  • nottrue
  • Julian, I know you read this blog because you declared me, along with Lon Kloeffer. You’re an even bigger piece of shit than I had imagined. I hope you choke on your own ego. You’re fucking scum.

    • Rasha

      I was trying to come up with something to augment that, but…. nope. I got nothin’.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    Past lives? something I did in my past life caused me to get raped?

    There are no words, just outrage.

    • Jgg2012

      Scientologists always blame the victim.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Sick, sick, sick!! These poor kids have the odds stacked against them enough!! $camology haz to make it worse? Lame.

        edit: This was also directed to Sarah James, in addition to Jgg2012.

    • Sarah James

      Works the same for a disabled child. They brought it on them self in a past life. Dump them and move on.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        sick!

    • Mockingbird

      That’s Scientology for you. The rich and power are seen as big beings who can do no wrong with ethics protection and their victims are seen as evil degraded beings who pull in the bad things that happen to them. Oddly Hubbard in the loaded language of Scientology portrayed evil people as antisocial. He reportedly borrowed ideas from others on sociopaths and relabeled them as his antisocial personality. He said the social personality helps good groups and is against bad groups. He said the antisocial personality helps bad groups and hurts good ones. He further defined suppressive persons as being antisocial personalities but switched the groups they help and hurt. He said antisocial personalities are against Scientology. His linguistic shift was meant to create an association between Scientology and helpfulness. Scientology is meant to be seen as pure good with its supporters seen as good and its opponents as pure evil.

      But in Scientology it is broken do to a caste system. Hubbard of course put himself at the tip top of the pyramid and everyone else far below. Faithful, obedient, non-threatening and useful servants get a high place. Less useful people are placed lower and relative to anyone above them they have no rights. Relative to people below them they are free to do whatever they like.

      That’s the ultimate expression of Scientology. An abusive relationships with a hierarchy based on power alone. Human rights are no concern, basic standards of decency have no place. This is the Scientology they should tell you about in the beginning. It’s all you will get.

    • Ann B Watson

      Astounding & no Old Ron not in the science fiction section either. But yes, I know whereof you speak Taffy. Thank you. ❤️

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Here’s my thing. Do we go on to live more lives? I don’t know, because it’s never been proven. PROVEN! No scientist or theoretical physicist has proven it to be true. El Con Chubbzy-McGee was never a scientist/physicist, nuCLEAR or otherwise.

        So, I am going to play it safe, and believe that this is our only, ONLY!, life. For now. So, with that being said, why not make the most of it? Have the most fun, the most “present time” experiences, the most love, joy (not Villa), & happiness?!? This is the only life we know, so don’t waste it on planning on spending many more lifetimes serving the sea-orgy! Who cares about “future lives” & “past lives?” You cannot possibly know if that’s even possible, so live in the NOW! This life matters, past ones are p-a-s-t.Done. Ova! Capiche? Can’t do a do-over!

        As for someone deserving rape cuz of a past life discretion? Fuck off! Read previous paragraph.
        I’m out.

        • Ann B Watson

          Good points Taffy.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Thanks Ann! I appreciate you listening to me! And don’t forget to set yr clocks 1 hr ahead!!

            • Ann B Watson

              Of course Taffy, I always listen to all except those trolls….Thank you for giving me some food for thought. I dislike all this clock changing. Pick a time and leave it. Lol, at my age to bed early and up before the sun! 💞💘😘

  • Wonder how many were successfully covered up (so far)?

    • TexasBroad

      Its a terrible thought, isn’t it? That there may be some still there, suffering in order to keep their family and their eternity. I guess Julian Schwartz would know.

      • ze moo

        Schwartz is just one of the trouble shooters. The clampire likes to keep these dirty secrets in several hands. You can be certain that there are similar jobs in Clearwater, Stain Hill, Copenhagen, and in every region where the mOrgs exist.

        There is a paper trail, but it will take a very through search to find them all. Pokiclam is a very hard game.

    • OOkpik

      Considering how smug he was, plenty. He expects to get away with it.

      Scientologists are taught that you have lived many lives before so getting raped would be same-old, same-old. Besides, it’s just a body and whatever bad thing happens to you, you pulled it in. Get over it!

      *runs to grab a bucket*

  • Vaquera
  • Lousy Ratatouille
    • Mockingbird

      David Miscavige certainly does.

      • Observer

        David Miscavige’s takes up more square footage than exists on Teegeeack.

        • Rasha

          Double Saint Hill Size, MINIMUM!

        • Mockingbird

          We should see all the square footage David Miscavige brags about as being used for closet space for skeletons from Scientology.

  • 8675309

    Question of curiosity for those Bunkerites with legal experience: With the Lemberger’s court case with COS being in Tel Aviv, Israel, is there any legal precedent or other statute in place between Israel and the United States that would legally compel Marty to surrender any communications, documents, confessions (even obtained via auditing which could be argued as subject to priest/penitent privileges), or other related information? Or would the information presented by the COS attornies in this legal case have to be obtained by other methods (i.e., voluntary surrender to COS of those materials by Marty), such as that via a “settlement” or other loosely termed “gentleman’s agreement” between Marty and COB as is suspected by the ending of Monique’s court case with the COS? From reading through the multitude of comments and Tony’s articles, Marty’s blogs, and other materials and articles, it doesn’t appear to me that there would be any direct motive that explains a legal reason Marty would have to voluntarily surrender those documents to the COS team (or an unexplained personal desire he may have to impact the outcome of their court case with the COS as demonstrated per Dani Lamberger’s email above) unless he was legally compelled to do so. It pretty much seems, as witnessed by his substantial change in character and motivations as noted in his attacks on this blog, Theroux and his team, and other “ASC” persons as he has declared openly, that he must be back in the folds of COS. I am just curious as to what role, if any, international law, treaties, or agreements between the US and Israel could possibly explain his complicity with COS? Thanks for any explanation or insights that may be offered!

    • Observer

      At least two people in the legal profession weighed in here yesterday, and the answer was no.

      Marty did it of his own free will. I’m sorry for anyone who confided in him.

      • 8675309

        Thanks – I must not have caught those answers. I’ll go back and re-read them to find them. Much appreciated!

        • Observer

          Just ctrl+F search for PeaceMaker. He or she posted asking how we knew Marty hadn’t been legally compelled to do it, and refused to accept any answer to the contrary. The legal people are in the long thread of responses.

          • PeaceMaker

            I refused to accept an answer from anyone who couldn’t demonstrate relevant expertise, and answer questions about the governing conventions, which is different. I used to work in international business, and have a bit of experience in figuring out who really understands the complex subjects involved. Anyway, the most important issues and references that I brought up, are now in a response to the OP.

      • 8675309

        Thank you! Didn’t know that tip. I truly appreciate it. Have a wonderful evening!

      • Mockingbird

        Marty Rathbun is a painful moral lesson and warning. He proves the enemy of my enemy is…an unknown. Not always my friend. Lots of ex Scientologists and independent Scientologists trusted Marty Rathbun and many regret that decision. I never trusted him, but I never was an independent Scientologist. I dug deep into critical information regarding auditing, hypnosis and thought reform and realized there is nothing worthwhile in Scientology. So I dodged that bullet.

        I was concerned that to do all the evil things he did for years made it obvious he should be approached with extreme caution – if at all.

      • PeaceMaker

        Observer, I don’t think we ever did get an informed, conclusive answer as to why The Convention on the Taking of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters (AKA the Hague Evidence Convention) wouldn’t apply, and why the subpoenaing of the Finnish remailer administrator in the Grady Ward civil case isn’t a possibly relevant example of Scientology discovery in fact reaching across borders. There were a couple of commenters with legal background, but not apparently in international civil matters, and the seemingly more knowledgeable one stopped posting after I came up with the better examples.
        There’s also another important point that hasn’t been considered, that I’ll get into in a comment post responding to the OP.

    • Jimmy3

      All I can think is that I have a sudden, strange desire to make you mine.

      • Rasha

        All yours, Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy.

        *pops popcorn*

      • Vaquera

        //Bunker hearts breaking from Cleveland to Adelaide//

        • Rasha

          …he’ll be back.

    • flyonthewall

      i wash myself with a rag on a stick

      • Jimmy3

        At least you have a rag, you lucky SOB. I have to wash myself with just a stick.

        • flyonthewall

          i can send you a rag in the mail. I have two in case i lose one. You like red or brown? You like red. I send you red wash rag.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        Sweet Simpsons reference!

        • flyonthewall

          lets go to the library and rent some movies

          • Taffy Sinclair

            It’s a date, babe!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to”…in order to answer your question?

      Unless the cult obtained that email through hacking, or in some other illegal manner, and the cherch’s attorney was lying about being given it voluntarily by Marty, then the cult wouldn’t even have known that it existed in the first place unless he told them about it, or he turned over his entire computer files and the cult discovered it for themselves within those files.

      Lawyers generally don’t lie for their clients about things that can be proven to be false, because to be caught in a lie to the court can easily get you disbarred or at least suspended from practicing law. I don’t know if the justice system in Israel is more tolerant of that sort of thing than here in the U.S., but I doubt it. So, it just doesn’t seem plausible to me to believe that $cn’s attorney was lying about how it was obtained from Marty.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s probably wrong to talk about Marty being “back in the fold.” Please remember that back in 2012, when the Headleys owed $43,000 in court costs to the church after the dismissal of their lawsuits, the church offered to erase that debt if the Headleys would agree to spy on critics. (“The Headleys agree to discuss with CSI and RTC all of their contacts with Marty Rathbun and any others involved in disparaging CSI and RTC, including any media contacts.”) The Headleys refused, and found a way to pay that $43,000 by selling a car, taking loans from friends, and even selling off a playground playset. It was a study in courage, as far as I was concerned.

      Faced with a similar situation, Marty Rathbun chose the other option. So if he’s feeding information now to the church, such as Dani’s email, it means that he’s entered into an agreement with Miscavige, but not that he’s actually back in the Church of Scientology. I don’t think either one of them would want that.

      We don’t know what Marty’s price was, or if he took money. We may never know. I can only wonder if he was told that the emails he turned over would never be used in such a public way. Someone must have really screwed up to do that. It would be interesting to know, when Ben-Shaul contacted Marty and got him to turn over the email what assurances he made, and whether he betrayed them. Again we may never know. But either way, it’s a sad end after all that Marty did for exposing Scientology’s crimes.

      • Re: Tony’s comment, “I can only wonder if he was told that the emails he turned over would never be used in such a public way” —

        — I believe there may be some precedent for that scenario. As I recall (and it has been a very long time and I can’t find the links now), when former Scientologist, former FACTnet board member and critic Kim Baker signed two affidavits for the Church of Scientology during the mid-1990s Scientology vs. FACTnet case she did so after being promised or told that they would be used only in an emergency, if truly necessary, etc.. (As I recall, she understood they would’t be used unless the very existence of the church was at stake.) The Church of Scientology of course used them immediately. Rod Keller may recall better because he maintained ARS Week in Review at the time.

        For general background, see: http://home.snafu.de/~tilman/mystory/index.html#02

        Marty would be far from the first person to leave the Church of Scientology only to, if not return as a member, subsequently provide information to the church. If one reads the above-linked material about and from Kim, one will see similarities to what Marty said in his later years about critics.

      • 8675309

        Thanks you very much for the clarification of my statement Tony. I certainly didn’t mean to imply that Marty was directly back within the rank and file membership of COS, but rather, trying to see if there was any way to explain his sharing of the material within a legal framework between the US and Israel. While seemingly things seem to point point to him cooperating (either directly or indirectly by the varied ways discussed) with the COS legal team, I didn’t know if there could be a legal explanation at hand, hence my question. I gladly stand corrected and give thanks to everyone for the added insight and discussion.

      • Juicer77

        Someone must have screwed up to tell him they emails would never be used? Or screwed up when they used them? Come on, TO, Rathbun knows better than anyone that Missmanage will turn on someone at the first chance.
        But perhaps Rathbun’s hubris got in the way of past experience and he thought he was the only one immune from Missmanage shenanigans. (That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.)
        Or perhaps Rathbun turned this information over knowingly and uncaringly.

      • grundoon

        Marty organized a collection for the Headleys, IIRC.

    • PeaceMaker

      8675309, before addressing your post, I’m going to bring up a related issue that I think raises an important angle that hasn’t been considered in the speculation so far, and that I want to put first for anyone who doesn’t read through the whole post. If Rathbun were working or cooperating with the CofS, why didn’t they at least issue something along the lines of a subpoena, even if it weren’t enforceable, to give him cover and plausible deniability for providing the information? Instead, what the attorney said in court “dead agented” Rathbun in the classic sense, undermining his credibility with Scientology’s perceived enemies.

      I don’t know if you’ve seen the discussion on yesterday’s article or elsewhere, but I have posted that I remember that in 1996 in the Grady Ward civil case, Scientology got Finland to carry out a subpoena against the administrator of the penet anonymous remailer, which shows that they can find ways to reach across borders in discovery. IANAL, but it appears to me that this is governed by the The Convention on the Taking of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters, more commonly referred to as the Hague Evidence Convention; there is also a relevant document to be found in google, Israeli Legal Practice Regarding Cross-Border Discovery Requests, that address very generally how they implement the Hague Evidence Convention. It does seem like Scientology would have a basis for subpoenaing information from Rathbun in the Israeli case, though I’m sure we’d all like to see some expert commentary on that from someone knowledgeable in the field of international law.

      The other thing I’ve wondered about, is if Rathbun might have felt obligated to disclose the e-mail because of the threat it contained, under his construed (or perhaps mis-construed) responsibilities in his role as a therapist and possible mandatory reporter. The Keith Henson case from the same era, and the criminal charge over his “Tom Cruise Missile” remark, is a reminder that Scientology has actually been able to use the legal system to turn molehills into mountains of consequence for people around issues like that.
      I certainly agree with many others that Rathbun ought to provide an accounting of the matter. But he seems to a curious character, and I don’t think it’s surprising that he’s responded indignantly – not only given his testy relationship with Tony, but particularly if it’s actually the case that the supposition about him is wrong. I suspect that given his nature, and that fact that this matter affects his reputation with communities more important to him than the Bunker, that he’ll respond but in his own due time in a place of his choosing.
      It seems to me to be a bit of a meme here to expect that people owe us answers, so I’m going to stick my neck out a bit and say that I hope that proprietor Tony is being diligent about finding out anything he can regarding Rathbun’s involvement in the case through Lemberger and his attorneys or through other channels, and that work behind the scenes will be revealed in due time. Even if Rathbun provided an explanation, such as that he’d been subpoenaed, wouldn’t we want to verify that through another source and find out any additional available details?
      p.s. I appreciate Tony’s post on this a little while ago, which is as thoughtful and compassionate as could be expected, and appropriately “iffy” about some of the things that we don’t or can’t know for certain.

      • Tony Ortega

        Jesus. Try not to break too many vertebrae bending over backwards like that to find a way to absolve Marty.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          The comment you respond to is “not active.”

          EDITED TO ADD:
          I have a screen grab of it, if anyone is interested.

        • PeaceMaker

          Tony, thanks for the concern, I’m trying to stay safe and not overdo it 🙂
          I do think mental gymnastics are good exercise from time to time. Folks seem to have gotten sedentary, and missed a couple of points of perspective. I enjoy a good stretch, and even having it reveal where my weaknesses are – that’s what makes us stronger, isn’t it?
          I am curious, though, why do you think Scientology would have dead agented Rathbun in court, rather than providing him something like a subpoena as cover to retain some credibility?
          The facts will condemn or absolve Rathbun – the conclusive ones that leave no reasonable room for “if.” Hopefully we will get them sooner rather than later. I’ve already saved the crow photo that Alonzo used today, which I will dutifully post if and when I think my time has come to eat it….

        • lol – that was funny

      • Frodis73

        I tried to post this right after you posted, but disqus kicked me out and I had to re-boot. Tony said it much better than I though.

        You are persistent, that’s for sure. If the past 6 months or so could
        be erased, I would be just as eager as you are to find some explanation
        for what happened. However, we cannot erase the past 6 mos or so,
        sometimes a cigar is a cigar. In this case I think it is very obvious
        what happened and it has happened before too. If I am wrong, I will
        write a public apology about it and I would absolutely *love* to be
        proven wrong in this case because I think what Marty did is beyond
        shitty. Such a betrayal of trust…just so low and inexcusable.

        • PeaceMaker

          Frodis, thanks for sharing your thoughts, well put. I too have promised my apology if I’m proven wrong.

      • grundoon

        No point in speculating. When Marty feels like clearing it up for us, he will. Or not.

      • Robert Eckert

        But: they would already have to have known of the existence of the email, or what would they subpoena? They can’t just demand that everyone in the world who has ever spoken to the other party release every communication they have ever had.

        • PeaceMaker

          Robert, I think it’s most useful to talk about Scientology’s legal strategies in general, which I have been following for a long time.
          Scientology is known for engaging in exhaustive (and even abusive) discovery, deposing or subpoenaing everyone or anything that they can manage to include, and asking about everything possible, in part because of their theory that enemies and SPs are connected and that they need to ferret out the connections. They seem to use it as a way to probe for anything that could possibly be of use to them, even in other legal cases, as well as part of their general strategy to harass and wear down their opponents. Mark Headley has given a good first-hand description of this.
          There have been quite a few times that Scientology has ferreted out some piece of information that surprised all the observers (and, often, the person confronted with it in court), and then used it to their legal advantage – and, also, sometimes to “dead agent” their opponents.

  • outraged

    I can’t i can’t even READ this. A woman was RAPED. And scientology has her write a REPORT??
    And says it is HER FAULT????

    Are you really reading this people still in??? Do you understand what your so called religion does in the face of abuse, and terror and death???

    Take your cult DAVID FUCKING MISCAVIGE and shove it up your teeny tiny asshole.

    • iampissed

      Outraged meet Pissed!

    • Rasha

      Yes. This is beyond “blame the victim”. It’s also, “Joke about it, because, I’m rich and popular, and I am paying this tax-exempted, billion-dollar organization to cover MY ass, so shut up.”

      …and women, abused and shuttered, are, quietly and without mercy, disposed of.

      NDA.

      …..

      …sorry. I’m getting a little angry….. Can’t type now…

      • chukicita
        • Rasha

          Thank you, Chukki, I’m good. *so many shnuggles*

          • Ella Raitch

            Licking your face…….. (puppies and kitties and hamsters…not me!!)

        • Frodis73

          Aw, and guinea pig!

      • outraged

        And young men are raped and blamed, abused and shuttered.
        It is criminal. Horrific.

        Unbelievable that ANYONE has ANYTHING they could say in defense of Danny Fucking Masterson. He belongs in jail. A serial rapist roaming the streets defended by his CHURCH. Anyone having anything to do with Scientology after reading this article is living in the river Denial or they have no heart, no soul, nothing left to give.

        • Rasha

          …..yup.

  • Lousy Ratatouille
  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Has anyone posted a photo of Julian Swartz in the comments today? I wanna know what this POS looks like.

  • Ann B Watson

    I have gone beyond outright rage and upset when I see and know firsthand how rape victims are treated by all concerned when you ask or beg or cry for help. What makes the knife cut deeper toward the bone, is the blatant cruelty, calculating coldness, and absolute non- empathy that the cult and yes the Tech therein carry for those who have been raped, had a forced abortion or been held up for ridicule about your second dynamic because you have not shown interest in dates with other SO members when told to do so. I mean really what is the obsession with command control and rape is perfectly OK because we all know what those in lower conditions pull in.. Such a Criminal Church through and through. I send all victims of violence and rape. Hope and Love. On a lighter note Hugs to Steve Mango,love the picture Steve & Tiponi and My Scientology Movie. How I wish I had been there, but know another Crack is racing down the fortress bubble walls with this film. 💛🎞🎟📃💛

    • Rasha

      [very long response redacted]

      The beautiful humans who have been attacked and hurt need understanding, help and care. They are as me. The ones who perpetrate the violence need treatment, psychological and legal.

      • Ann B Watson

        Thank you Rasha. 💓

        • Rasha

          Hugz, Ann. There is no “religious rule”, no “divine right”. There is only Us, Here, Now. No mystical hierarchy. Live well, and let no one take that away. That life is meaningful to Rasha. ^_^

          • Ann B Watson

            Beautifully sent. Thank you. 🌌

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Sleazy, male desperation? Pegah, you’ve got no idea…

    A review of Danny Masterson’s bar Harvard & Stone: https://www.facebook.com/harvardandstone/
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/11cabf25b0ff5b9530befc2dabdc28af66642257d88ec6ca1d3eb5d3e7836287.png

  • gtsix

    “Can I deliver a letter please. ”

    Enjoying the Theroux show. Such a polite lad.

    Why did no one tell me it was Louis who caused the ASC to be (imaginarily) formed?

    More thoughts later.

    • gtsix

      More thoughts now: holy shit, the punching headley response. .. epic for the build up before the response. Ya’ll been holding out ( and like a yank, I’m not)

      • Juicer77

        What did you think of Rathbun’s response to the actors not “getting the benefit” of the Tek?

        • gtsix

          That didn’t register as much as his blow up about the clapping Honestly, that is where his ASC theory came from. He literally said the cult of theroux… he said he didn’t care, yet he sounded enraged.

          I gotta watch it again, for sure. Their dynamic was very interesting.

          Also fascinated that the punch story… When did it happen? Why wasn’t it in headleys book?

  • Rasha

    O/T: Any news on the building that Scientology dropped the abused Alexandra in Boston for, the property at 214 Lincoln Street? I occasionally speed by on the Pike, and only see the window sign for a driving business, and the big “Office Space For Lease” sign. Oh, and a Trump campaign sign….

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b33956d02144a72ae9e9bfd73a361543891903dfa4b42bc559603e99019e873.jpg

  • Julian Schwartz, 2nd generation Scientologist, (son of Louis Schwartz long term Money extorter of the Cult in Easter United States “orgs”) ~ Julian has been the MAA of AOLA for at least 20 years. MAA means “Master of Arms” a Nautical term used in the Navy or even a Merchant ship responsible for law enforcement, regulating duties, security and force protection on a ship.
    Scientology has long since had their staff wear fake navy uniforms while using navy titles : Ensign, Lieutenant, Commander etc. etc.
    Julian Schwartz is an extension of OSA (Office of Special Affairs) who use him for their dirty work and *commands* from senior authority.

    I had a few run-ins with Julian in my last 4 years in the Cult.
    One time I was in his office for 1 hour 30 minutes.
    During that time he had 13 phone calls from OSA and was clearly their implementation and “go fix it” boy.
    One day after a “knowledge report” on me, he called me to demand that he come over and examine all my computers.
    He truly felt he had the authority to do a search and seizure.
    I will leave you to guess how I handled that, without any use of foul language and without losing my cool.
    Julian never did visit my home or search my computers.

    • Rasha

      I will leave you to guess how I handled that, without any use of foul language and without losing my cool. Julian never did visit my home or search my computers.

      …can’t stop laughing…..

    • Ella Raitch

      Hi Karen, is Kirsten Caetano 2nd gen too?

      • Kirsten Caetano is a 2nd generation. She works in Intelligence OSA INT but also had been in and Out of SP Hole (The dungeon)
        She can be brutal. Read how she handled Jenna Miscavige in her book “Beyond Belief.”
        Her father has some illness and is wheelchair bound. As long as Kirsten does Miscavige’s bidding all her father’s medical is paid for. He lives on Fountain Avenue with some 500 other Sea org members in that haunted looking “Anthony Building”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c08eb1de676a9f7aefe0e063834afe055d650563dad88fc2e61a42a832b5e1fe.jpg

        Kirsten = David Miscavige puppet. He pulls the strings, she acts.

    • Taffy Sinclair

      Atta girl!! No one has the right to demand to search thru your computers!! Was he on drugs?? I’m not kidding! Who the fuck comes to someone’s house and “demand” he search your computer(s)??? Are we living in wacky-land???

      This Julian Swartz is truly psychopathic, or just plain dumb. And Julian is unaware of the laws in America!!

      What a cold, unwanted piece of garbage. He should look at HIS “whole track.” Whatever the fuck that shit is. I’m assuming it’s very unattractive.

  • Gib

    Alanzo eats crow http://www.alanzosblog.com/eating-crow-tony-ortega-produces-dani-lemberger/

    Alanzo gives some explanation http://www.alanzosblog.com/dead-agent-post-mortem-david-miscavige-burn-marty-rathbun/

    Who would have thought in a private letter between Hubbard and Heinlein, why Hubbard gave the blueprint to his friend Heinlein, the starting ideas of his moonchild called dianetics and scientology and even the Children of the Corn, the Sea Org:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonchild_(novel)

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38446-Dean-Wilbur-Rhetoric-Hubbard-dianetics-sicientology&p=1058062&viewfull=1#post1058062

    • Jimmy3

      I was wrong about Marty, but Mike Rinder is a bad guy too!!!
      Always good to follow up a half-assed apology with a diversion.

      • Ella Raitch

        Is that what they call a pivot?

      • Gib

        It’s not a diversion, Alanzo just wants to know the truth about certain people and what they did, like when in the fucking hell is Jesse Prince going to publish his book, gawd almighty already, be done with it, man.

        • Jimmy3

          The post is titled “Eating Crow”. As in he was wrong about Marty. But he actually spends the majority of it, and the latter part the reader comes away with, attacking Mike Rinder. That’s not a diversion?

        • Frodis73

          You do know Jesse was fighting cancer for more than a year right?

          • Gib

            yes I know that, that’s been awhile ago and Jesse recovered.

            • Kim O’Brien

              jesus christ , grow up and stop looking for other people to make it all better . So much for escaping the cult mind set . gross

            • Gib

              don’t worry I escaped it long ago, and stop shouting at me. LOL

        • Kim O’Brien

          who the hell is Alanzo to tell people when to publish anything ? or get upset about it ? he just moves from place to place and demands some sort of freaking emotional closure , on behalf of other people , while doing his best to interject himself into whatever situation he can milk the most drama and attention from . He’s a bootlicker . And a dick

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            And a dicklicker in boots.

            Don’t mind me. I have had some sake tonight.

        • Erica

          There no way in hell any Scientology armchair scholar with any knowledge of its history would believe much of what Jesse Prince has to say. Just like Marty and Alonzo, he has his own brand of crazy.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Alanzo is a very important person, and just because he has done two 180 degree turns in two days doesn’t mean he is not!

        Wait! I meant to say that Alanzo is a very unimportant person. There. Now he can imagine that OSA is jerking him around.

        And don’t you forget it!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Alanzo will always be the man who firmly hitched his wagon to Marty, viciously slated Marty’s detractors and cast vast swathes of the critic community as cult members. He must have been desperate for Marty’s hands to be clean in the Lemberger trial. They weren’t. So now it’s Mike Rinder’s turn? Despite the fact that Marty is now “a selfish, narcissistic asshole” according to Alanzo, he is still to be believed over Mike because that bolsters Alanzo’s wobbling moral pedestal. Somehow I don’t think Mike will waste too much time fretting.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        You were much more eloquent than I. ; )

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          When I think of the loathing that poured out of Marty’s blog and commenting community towards exes and critics at the Outer Banks, ESMB and here I feel sick. Alanzo wasn’t the only one by any means, but he was one of the most vocal and he used his blog to generate such hatred towards individuals I care about.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Exactly. He made his stand, there’s no walking it back.

            • Gib

              I think that it is not quite true, he just posted he ate crow and apologized to Tony so I give him a thumbs for that. But whatever.

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, but he totally threw Rinder under the bus in that same post.

            • Gib

              not really, he gave the transcript of Marty on how they, Marty and Mike both shielded DM. So he is now asking asking again, Mike what did you know?

            • Frodis73

              He also seems to forget that Mike spent over a year in the hole.

            • gtsix

              When you eat crow, you stop talking smack because your mouth is full of regret. You don’t mouth off about other people. ( shrugs )

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I always appreciate an apology, but why does Alanzo have to taint it with a new diatribe? I realise you don’t know the answer to this, just wondering aloud 🙂

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Really? With all the shit and slander Alanzo was slinging when he decided he’d come out hard for Marty? No way. You don’t get to erase that with a, “Sorry, my bad.” And definitlely not with a half-assed apology that then re-positions the focus on a different target (Mike).

              That second link, btw, is not called eating crow. He’s still throwing shade at Tony, and he’s just trying to re-frame the narrative. Now, he’s painting himself as someone who had his doubts about Marty all along. Don’t be fooled. This guy’s an attention whore.

            • flyonthewall

              i think there is also a touch of mental illness tbh

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I don’t know. I don’t feel qualified to say. But since I first encountered him on ESMB, he’s seemed like one of those people who doesn’t have a real core. He just gets off on being a contrarian. He’s always looking for shit to stir. It’s possible I’m being overly reductive, but I don’t care. From where I sit, he hasn’t made enough positive contributions to the overall knowledge and conversation to outweigh the acrimony he seeds along the way.

            • flyonthewall

              I only know him from his blog posts and comments at Mike’s so my exposure has been limited. It is bizarre to me how he immediately pivots to Mike and then rants about only people who say “unimportant person” to him are OSA. Just sounds off the rails to me

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Maybe. He’s definitely a drama llama.

            • flyonthewall

              You’d think after he’s got himself banned from basically everywhere, it might dawn on him that there is something wrong with him

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I suspect he actually sees that as a badge of honor.

            • flyonthewall

              to not be able to just get along with people to the point of being cast out is somehow honorable. Crazy town!

              you’re prob right

            • Gib

              he started his own blog, so post over there to ask questions

            • Robert Eckert

              Posts that ask uncomfortable questions will not be let through.

            • Gib

              I think he is just telling his story, afterall, he spoke with Marty not long ago.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              He spoke to Marty. Big woop.

              He also made his bed, and now gets to lie in it.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I think he’s retrofitting his narrative.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Followed up by part 1 of what looks like a convoluted take-back. Or walk-back. Or whatever it will be.

          • flyonthewall

            i think alanzo tried to have me killed

            • Jimmy3

              never mind.

            • flyonthewall
            • beauty for ashes

              this is weird. even for me 😉

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Two girls, one taco. Really? I thought we were above that here.

            • flyonthewall

              never

            • flyonthewall

              did it just get real in here? I forgive you *hug*

            • Jimmy3

              Love you buddy. No more accidents, I promise.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Look, we all have felt that way from time to time. But in the end we just can’t bring ourselves to go through with harming you.

            • flyonthewall

              i don’t believe you

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Hold that thought.

            • Juicer77

              LOL It’s his fault my lawn is full of weeds!!!

          • Juicer77

            Notice there was no word of apology about that in his eat crow post.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Oh, I don’t know. I think you made your point beautifully!

      • gtsix

        We’ll see about your last bit. .. Rinder likes Alonzo’s comments on his blog. A “valued opinion” if irrc.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Do you think he’ll lose sleep if he’s added to Alanzo’s “Long List Of People I Don’t Like, Or Who Done Me Wrong, Or Who Betrayed Me, Or Who Took Me For A Ride, Or Who Other People Don’t Like So It Would Be Nifty To Jump On The Bandwagon”?

          • gtsix

            Hahaa, nope. Not one bit. But I do think he’ll still value an opinion. He’s got a way that boggles my mind: hearing massive bullshit and still finding some miniscule microbe corn kernel of value.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          If if?

        • Tommy Prophet

          Mike might be headed in the direction of liking Alanzo a bit less, after Alanzo’s rather pointed question on Mike’s blog the other day about Marty’s possible skulduggery. Of course Mike didn’t answer it.There were a flurry of comments about it, answering the question that Mike certainly wouldn’t. My comment was mysteriously deleted by Mike, with no explanation. I emailed him, politely asking why. No answer. Considering some of the other posts that were allowed there, I guess you have to donate to get on Mike’s good side.
          My opinion of him dropped a bit right there. And Alanzo has a point, about both Marty and Mike, even if he is an asshole and a bit warped.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Oh, really?

          • Juicer77

            Is it possible that Rinder does not want to get involved in the whole situation? I’ve said before that he is possibly one of the only people on this planet who can still be a friend of sorts to Rathbun. Perhaps he stays silent because he has some sympathy for the effects of the continuing mindf*ck of the Co$. Perhaps he just doesn’t want to get involved. Or there could be other reasons.
            That being said, it probably would have been better to let your comment stand on Rinder’s blog, and reply with a simple “I don’t wish to become involved in this situation.” But even that simple phrase might cut off hopes of future communication with Rathbun, who would possibly see it as an abandonment.
            Maybe I am giving Rinder too much credit. But maybe he is trying to live up to the “see the person not the group-think” message that he and Leah Remini and others have fought so hard for.

          • gtsix

            Nah, that’s Alanzo. He berated MR and MR for years. None of what he wrote is new, he could have copied his screed against Rinder from 2009.

            And everytime a post about Rathbun comes up here, alanzo posts it to Rinder blog. I don’t recall rinder responding a single time, but his commenters do.

            Alanzo point is outdated and personally biased. He has nothing.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Fuck Alanzo. He’s a useless troll.

    • gtsix

      Alanzo… so unimportant.

      To be continued at my leisure.

    • Frodis73

      I am going with what 5 Ft said, fuck Alanzo. That second link is disturbing too…talk about paranoid.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Oh, excellent, more Sun Tzu. (F5)

        http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/lucille-portable.gif

        • Ella Raitch

          Summed up my reaction (but with a cup of tea rather than a cocktail, ‘cos that’s just the way I roll)

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            It works either way. ; )

        • Frodis73

          Yep, I do that every damn time someone uses it to make a point. I think they think it makes them sound or look smart. Please, I bet most of them have only read a few quotes and not the whole book.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            They are JV philosophers at best.

          • Ella Raitch

            I made several starts with Machiavelli’s The Prince, but kept thinking wtf do I want to know any of this? Art of War in the same pigeon hole.

            • Gib

              well, that’s what hubbard made OSA read.

          • grundoon

            According to this training checklist for the Chruch’s dirty tricks department, they are required to read and word-clear the Art of War, yes the whole thing. Also, Clausewitz’s On War.

            OSA INT ED 508R: INVESTIGATIONS OFFICER FULL HAT CHECKSHEET (1991)

        • Gib

          but what you don’t understand is that is what hubbard taught OSA to do.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Disagreement and criticism do not mean that people don’t understand something.

            • Gib

              agreed, argument is what the ancients defined it as..

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I understand this. We’ve heard it many times before. My reaction is to Hubbard and his several generations of minions acting as junior varsity philosophers at best.

      • grundoon

        That’s not paranoia. Alanzo knows how they operate. I thought his post was pretty much on target.

    • Mick Roberts

      Who is Alanzo?

      I suppose I should say that this is a serious question. I only read/comment on Tony’s site and Mike Rinder’s blog. The first time I remember ever seeing (or even hearing about) Alanzo was the other day when he went to Mike’s blog and asked him for his thoughts on the whole “Marty Rathbun” situation from Tony’s article. I was under the impression (maybe falsely) that Mike and Marty were friends (thanks to their fishing videos, that were both enlightening and hysterical) and I never felt it was appropriate for me to ask Mike about some of those things I was hearing about Marty. I cringed when Alanzo even brought it up the other day.

      Just trying to learn who this person is and what his experience is with Scientology (don’t feel like getting involved with another blog at this time). Mike’s commenters and all you fine folks here keep me plenty occupied on a daily basis.

      • Frodis73

        His blog, the older stuff anyway, is actually really good. He is another ex and critic. Was really, really hard on both Mike and Marty when they first left the church. Then when Marty suddenly flipped awhile back, he bent over backwards defending Marty.

        • Mick Roberts

          Thanks Frodis. Wish I would’ve gotten interested in this topic 20 years ago. So much history I’m still unaware of.

          • Frodis73

            There is, but you will catch up to most of it eventually. Someone else below wrote about how he seems to jump from blog to blog pissing people off and getting kicked off of sites. He is well known for that too.

          • Gib

            if you want more history from the old timers, than read up on ESMB. I’m a newly out from 2012 Debbie Cook email and always wondered where the hell were the clears and OT’s from the 1950/60/70’s, you will find them on ESMB long before Mike and Marty and Leah started posting. Once I landed on ESMB as a regular poster there, I always thought somebody who left scientology would eventually post there as there is more truth posted on that forum than anywhere else. I was wrong, this scientology shit runs deep.

            • Qbird

              good job Gib, Thx.

        • Gib

          he was really hard on Mike and Marty in the beginning because they became Indie’s, at least Marty did, I don’t think Mike did.

          • Frodis73

            No, Mike was too…a lot of ex’s do that and it can be okay as long as they don’t get stuck there. Mike woke up to the truth before Marty did imo.
            Alanzo criticized them for that and for not being more forthcoming about every single thing they did. I believe Mike when he says he has disclosed everything, obviously Alanzo does not.

      • Ella Raitch

        A critic who engages with the commenting community intelligently at first, develops a following and then uses that position to create divisions. Long term troll. Twice banned from ESMB for this sort of behaviour – his last unbanning lasted less than a week.

        • Gib

          I’m a ex scientologist and also a troll, and I mean troll in the sense that I have inside knowledge of scientology and it’s workings.

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

          I don’t mean the word in the sense of disruption but more in the line of argument or discussion, that’s what Alanzo does, believe it or not.

          http://www.dictionary.com/browse/argument

          3.
          a process of reasoning; series of reasons

          Everybody here posting is a troll in the same sense.

          • Ella Raitch

            My view, watching daily for the last 3-4 years, is that Alanzo practices intentional disruption

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Gib, if you’re gonna word clear it, then stick to the definition. Disruption is at the core of the definition. And that’s what Alanzo does. If you want to argue that has value, feel free. I argue that it does not, in the way that Alanzo has executed it over the course of many years.

            • Gib

              I understand and that’s why I qualified my statement. Alanzo realized one day his OT8 Mission Holder that he had admiration for and still believed in the tech, why he realized it one day scientology was bunk and slowly became a critic thinker.

              I was in the same boat only many years later. So I respect the guy for that and refuse to ad hom him or label him.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I get that you have an affinity (**not used in the scientology sense, but the meaning is probably similar in this instance**) for Alanzo, as you see your experience as analogous to his. But I encourage you to be a little more dispassionate in the way you assess his approach and his actions. What he’s doing would not be called “critical thinking” by most people. He’s just being a contrarian. He thrives on discord. That is not healthy behavior.

          • grundoon

            You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

            A troll is someone who posts only to stir up trouble.

      • grundoon

        Alanzo was once a Scientology true believer. He ran the Peoria Mission.

        He has been, or will be, a vocal, knowledgeable advocate arguing wisely and passionately on the side that you agree with in any Scientological controversy. One day, without warning, he will switch to the opposite side, and launch low blows and vehement criticisms at your side. He’ll be banned. There is a good chance that another day he will see reason and return to the side of righteousness and all will be forgiven; rinse and repeat. Or vice-versa, depending on the controversy and which way the wind blows.

        Such reversals used to be predictable as clockwork among escapees who had been deeply involved in Scientology. It’s not seen that often any more, perhaps because Scientology no longer pressures as many of them with the old intensity of “fair game” dirty tricks. Latest to join the club: Marty Rathbun.

        I imagine Mike and Marty probably fair-gamed Alanzo back in the day. They know each other from way back. I’m sure Mike can withstand a few pokes from him.

        • Juicer77

          So Alonzo has now swung back to hating Rathbun and oh, by-the-way Mike too. He says Rathbun is a terrible person but still is a legit source to quote (notice there is *only* Rathbun’s testimony here).
          I just can’t with this guy.
          He doesn’t seem to realize there are choices between a fine point pen and an oversize paint roller?
          SMH

    • Observer

      Alanzo and Marty are two mushy peas in a rotting pod. No amount of spinning will make either of their actions and attacks less reprehensible. I don’t care what self-serving justifications either trots out for their words and actions. They’ve shown what they are.

      ETA: betrayal is the thing I find most difficult to forgive.

  • J. Swift

    Here is what really bothers me about the Masterson matter:

    A few weeks later, in August 2004, Victim B was approached by Masterson’s attorney, who brought her a hand-written letter of apology from the actor. She was then asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) so that she would never make her allegations public, and in return would receive payments totaling in the low six figures, our source says.

    Once again, Victim B was put under pressure by the church, told by Julian Swartz that he had an SP declare order written up and would sign it if she did not sign the NDA with Masterson.

    1. In the legal world, a payoff like this is sometimes called “fuck you money” because the perpetrator paying it has no remorse. This is just a “fuck you go away” payment tied to an NDA. Fuck you money is what often allows wealthy criminals to escape the consequences of their own actions.

    2. Given there was a letter of apology, an NDA, and a payment this arguably constitutes an admission on the part of Masterson. This begs the question: Why was Danny Masterson not declared an SP and expelled immediately from the Church when this happened? Why would Scientology allow a character like Masterson to remain a member in good standing? Is celebrity more important than justice?

    3. Why did Julian Swartz fail to report Masterson to the LAPD? Scientology’s real goal is not a world without war, crime, or insanity. In fact, it is just the opposite because a criminal has knowingly been sheltered and protected by the Church at the expense of his victims. This is unjust, insane, and inherently a criminal conspiracy.

    4. What was Julian Swartz not declared an SP for his role in the Masterson affair?

    5. Disconnection again is shown to be a weapon of Scientology Psychoterrorism: Rape victims are told, “Go the police and we will declare and Fair Game you. We will ruin you.”

    The LAPD has to do right here. If Danny Masterson needs to be criminally charged for his actions, then that is what needs to happen.

    Danny Masterson, Karma now has you in its inexorable and iron grip. Your trial by fire has only begun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc

    • Sarah James

      Scientology is monster protection rebligion.

      • Gib

        yes, only if you have achieved the state of clear and or OT. They have to protect that imagine or PR that the tech works.

        There is one other imagine that they protect, and that is Hubbard was truthful.

    • Baby

      ” Is celebrity more important than justice? ”
      ………………………………

      Yes

      • redfisch

        Well, duh.

    • Gib

      points number 3, 4 and 5. It’s a PR World.

      Where was Masterson on the Bridge to Total Freedom, was he clear or OT at the time?

  • DoveAlexa

    So, let’s say I live in LA and I rob houses, and am a Scientologist. Does this mean that I have to be caught red-handed robbing at least four houses before the LAPD will actually try to investigate for real? It sure seems like just robbing one isn’t really considered worth pursuing justice for, or two, or even three. Funny, that…

    • Faux Gibbler

      As long as you give Scientology a portion of the proceeds from the robbery. [sarcasm/]

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        You have to be a Reed Slatkin, then it’s the truth.

    • flyonthewall

      it will help if you are black…or latino

    • grundoon

      No, it is unlikely that LAPD will investigate your robberies unless they see you doing it.

  • TexasBroad
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Oh no 🙁 60 is so young!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Hey honey, sorry to drag you back a few days but I wanted to ask you an O/T question and didn’t want to clutter up today’s conversation. Can you recommend a couple decent, reasonably priced hotels near Wembley Stadium? I have a close friend who is attending this years NFL game in London and I promised her I’d ask you (she wanted to hear from someone who lives there and knows what & where in that area) for some advice.

        No rush on this answer, the game isn’t for months and months. Thanks in advance for your help. I want to make sure she’s safe on her trip. ; )

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Hello my angel! You know, for one heart-stopping moment I thought YOU were coming to London 🙁 Can’t you stow away in their luggage? I haven’t actually stayed near Wembley Stadium but I’ve had a look and there are 3 “chain” hotels on the doorstep which all have good reputations for basic/budget rooms with breakfast and in some cases restaurants attached. I’ll list those first:

          Premiere Inn – http://www.premierinn.com/gb/en/hotels/england/greater-london/london/london-wembley-park.html?cid=GLBC_WEMPTI

          Hilton – http://www3.hilton.com/en/hotels/united-kingdom/hilton-london-wembley-LONLWHI/index.html?WT.mc_id=zELWAKN0EMEA1HI2DMH3LocalSearch4DGGenericx6LONLWHI

          Holiday Inn (the cheapest of the 3) – https://www.hiwembley.co.uk/

          All 3 are within 1-5 minutes walk from Wembley Stadium itself.

          There is 1 Tube/Underground station very close by: “Wembley Park”.

          Equally close is 1 Train/Overground station: “Wembley Stadium”.

          Wembley isn’t a pretty part of London but it doesn’t take very long to get into the centre of the city which is beautiful. If your friends are aren’t worried about hotel costs there is a much wider choice, although you would have to go further in to the city for better hotels. Let me know if they need any more advice. How exciting for them!

          Love you tonnes like currant buns. xx

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Thank you so much honey, I will pass this info onto her and I promise, my trip to London is coming as soon as I’m not spending my days toting a teenager everywhere he has to go and doing paperwork for Hubby. 🙂 And you know, you’ll be the first to know when I’m coming. Love you too beautiful flower. 😘❤️🤗

    • beauty for ashes

      Oh no, that is such a lovely Philadelphia family. 🙁

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    I hate to play favorites, but I’m gonna: Aaron Smith-Levin is one of my favorite people right now. (F5)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67263a124749fa5ab13e6928d1aa980fae68e395f3bf5165cdab9bbabfacec0e.png

  • Andrew Robertson

    For those nostalgic for the good old days when Scientology was no less charming and gracious than it is now, here’s an extract from Paulette Cooper’s book ‘The Scandal of Scientology’.

    It’s from a letter sent by the ‘Reverend’ Andrew Bagley to a father whose son owed $300 for ‘spiritual’ courses:

    “Rather than let my lawyers have *all* the fun, I will
    write to you this once and straighten you out. I
    have a great urge to beggar you to your last pair of
    socks, but I will curb the desire a little longer. If
    you had the wit of a demented swineherd you
    would have read those pieces of literature I so graciously had sent to you…do not judge people by
    yourself. Not everyone is a mass murderer like
    yourself. Yes, I know quite a bit about you and
    your various projects during the war. And how do
    you sleep at night? I hope tis ill…I am expert at
    harassment, try me and find out. You are not
    strong enough. You are not smart enough. You
    haven’t the funds to go through long lengthy court
    battles. We have. Bigger men than you have done
    their best to stop us. They failed. So will you because you are a blatant moron in comparison. We
    joust only with our peers, others – like you – we
    will simply gobble up…one more word out of
    you and I’ll have you investigated. I might anyway.
    I have never seen one person yet that resisted
    Scientology who didn’t have a great deal to hide.
    And you evidently won’t look at free books sent to
    you, so you must, perforce have a great deal to
    conceal.

    …….. concluding with …….

    “If you want to start a Donnybrook, Buddy, wail away; to use the argot of the streets I’ll just start
    my people to work on you and then before long you will be broke, and out of a job and broken in
    health. Then I can have my nasty little chuckle about you and get back to work.
    You won’t take long to finish off. I would estimate three weeks. Remember: I am not a mealy mouthed psalm [sic] canting preacher. I am a minister of the Church of Scientology! I am able to heal the sick and I do. But I have other abilities which include a knowledge of men’s minds that I will use to
    crush you to your knees. You or any other wretch that stands in our way. Cause the list is long, but their careers are very short of those that have jousted with us.”

    With the utmost sincerity possible, Reverend Andrew Bagley

    Andrew

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I haven’t seen this in quite a while. Shocking.

      • Frodis73

        Mind blowing that anybody would put their name on that letter, let alone somebody who says they are religious.

    • Liberated

      What an asshole!

      No wonder they were scared to death of Paulette.

    • Glen

      And then in the same vein but much more recently, there was this letter from a $ci vendor on Amazon writing to a customer with a complaint.

      “Re: Feedback
      From: Hannah’s Attic & Place
      Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 6:02 AM
      To: xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx

      Two things… I apologized for the mistake. It was a simple one that my daughter made when she came into the office here to help, she cut and paste a long row of prices into a spreadsheet. Just one place off and the whole thing became a nightmare of wrong prices and wrong items.

      For which, we noted it quickly, but not before 20 or so orders of items priced in the several thousand dollar range were bought for pennies. And most people understood.

      Except you, who instead of listening to the apology threw a hissy fit and vomited up that feedback.

      But I don’t want to go into this much more with you. You sound like a complete nut job. So I won’t waste much more of your time.

      …which leads me to my second note I want to relate. This will be the last email thai I send, buy you should listen very closely.

      This account is for the Church of Scientology. I am sitting in an office looking out over 300 people who work under my tutelage. And what they do all day is deal with what we call “suppresives.” If you wish to look at what that means, I suggest you Google some of our work.

      If that feedback is not down in the next few hours, I am going to make sure those people target you. And in one month from now, you will be sitting with your head in your hands wondering what hit you.

      You really want to roll the dice on this? Be my guest.

      But I am telling you, nobody is going to help you. You cry Amazon again and it will get much worse. I can get another Amazon account easily.

      Can you get another life?

      You’ve been warned.

      The feedback goes down now, and you slink away like the vermin you are. Or, you can try me and see if what I say isn’t true.

      I hope you try me…in fact, I dare you.”

      • Frodis73

        Yep just more proof that scientology either attracts or creates psychos.

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        Both these letters sound so very… what’s a good descriptive word? …So very…

        “Ron”!

        Yes, that says it perfectly. They sound so very Ron. You can even read them in his voice… or try not to
        😉

      • Baby

        OMG I was just off to google this Glen.. First thing I thought of.

        • Glen

          Yeah, specialists in community, consumer and personal relationships…not.

          Btw, I’ve been sending healing thoughts in your direction. You are funny and you are loved.

          • Baby

            Awww.. Glen I was getting those healing thoughts and wondered who they were from.. xoxox thanks honey that made me feel good.

      • grundoon

        The seller was promptly kicked off Amazon.

        The memory of this incident is all that now remains of “Hannah’s Attic and Place” in Google.

        However, Google does show a Hannah’s Attic Estate Sales & Appraisal’s in Mercer Island, Washington, and a Hannahs Attic Gift Shop, Landmark & Historical Place in Wytheville, Virginia. I don’t know whether either one has any connection with the Amazon psycho. Apostrophe evidence, while inconclusive, does not rule out a Scientological connection for either Hannahs Attic or Hannah’s Appraisal’s.

        • ExCult.Jan

          …umm, Landmark?

      • Erica

        I’m going to have to be a buzzkill and say I don’t think that rant was written by an actual scientologist.

        • Glen

          Why do you think that? I thought somewhere back when this was circulating that there was some sort of statement by Amazon.

          • Erica

            I don’t think a scientologist would believe that their organization is dangerous. But if they knew that it was, I don’t think they’d admit to that over something as mundane and common as negative feedback. It reads to me like it’s someone who understands Scientology completely as an outsider and wrote it drunk, almost as a mean-spirited joke.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Sounds like Baggie was jumped into the cult by Elron himself…such a nasty piece of work!

  • mrssandoval

    TO and anyone else, I’m not one of those people who demands pc speech. I’m Korean and when someone ignorantly says “let’s go to the gook store”, unaware that I’m biracial, that offends me. When people joke, telling me not to eat their dog, I hysterically laugh. I take issue with one sentence “[victim B] found herself under Masterson as he was having sex with her.”
    One cannot be “having sex” while unconscious; my own husband would not have sex with me while I’m under the influence of Ambien, because, in his words, it feels like he “doesn’t have consent.” A nonconsensual sex act is sexual assault; to insert your penis into a woman who’s under the influence is rape, not sex!
    My mother, my 2 marriage-related cousins, my half-cousin, my husband, my eldest goddaughter, almost all of my girlfriends, my doctor, my psychiatrist (also a doctor), as well as myself have been raped. I cannot, in words, describe to you the helplessness, violation, terror, pain, anger, and the lingering fear that runs in your veins once you’ve been raped. Though I am a survivor, that memory is scorched in my brain like a movie on replay. I literally have a scar on my soul from being sexually assaulted at 15 years old, and I’m 37 right now.
    I believe in the death penalty and because of the severity of what rape does, I believe they ought to be executed–painfully. It’s not just vengeance, but a deterrent for my son and my future children, as well as yours.
    If you read this and you, too, have been sexually assaulted, you’re not alone. I believe you; we believe you; and united we will stand by you. I am a stranger to you, all of you, and victim A, B and C; however, my scars bear witness to you.
    Danny, Xenu may have mercy on your soul, but God does not.

    • flyonthewall

      people actually say “let’s go to the gook store”? I have never heard anyone say that. What is a “gook store”?

      • beauty for ashes

        Korean store, I am assuming. That’s terrible I hate that word.

        • flyonthewall

          smh. Ok. Her doctor and psychiatrist and basically everyone she knows, including her husband, has been raped? Does that sound weird to you at all?

          • Frodis73

            No, most women know many other women that have been raped, assaulted or molested.

            • flyonthewall

              why would your doctor and psychiatrist tell you they’ve been raped?

            • Frodis73

              Well, that part *may* be weird, but then again maybe not. Esp if you needed to ask for a referral from the dr to see the shrink. Also, depends on the dr/patient relationship, I went to family clinic for years that treated my grandmother, mom and me…so they literally knew everything about us and vice versa. Not professional, but not necessarily wrong either. I think it depends on the people involved.
              Also, when I was diagnosed with infertility and was looking for a shrink, I was real up front about what I specifically wanted to discuss and why. Turns out my shrink was also diagnosed with the exact same thing I had. She didn’t tell me in session and not on the first visit, but she did tell me. She was also the best shrink I ever saw too.

            • flyonthewall

              ok i’ll shut up about it but i just want it on record that i think it’s weird

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, it is not normal. Or maybe her therapist wrote a book and that is how she knows.
              Keep in mind they say 1 in 5 women have been raped/assaulted…and I think that is going by people who report it. So many never even report it.

            • beauty for ashes

              I don’t think it’s abnormal though. Maybe it’s just me Froyo! People like to talk to me and tell me things.

            • Frodis73

              I guess I mean professional more than anything. I have had the same experience with shrinks and doctors. I am very open and honest with them about everything so they can actually try to help an they cant if you are not telling them all.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Keep being weird. Don’t shut up. And always be ready to listen.

            • beauty for ashes

              I might quote you on this 🙂

            • Baby

              You know fly.. There are 2 opposing sides to this patient/ Dr./ professional relationship dynamics..Ain’t nothing in between. You are either for it or against.

              I was in a team meeting with a gentleman who was an alcoholic and his wife. I said to the wife ” My husband ( X) is a recovering alcoholic and if you would like me to attend an Al Anon meeting with you I will. My husband also abused me..So I know how frustrated you must be. ”

              The Psychiatrist wrote me up for sharing such personal information with the patient and wife. I had to go before a Board to explain that I was being empathetic because I went going through what she was going through. I thought I could better assist her with my caring.

              Well.. out of 12 Therapeutic professionals on the Board ( Most were my friends)

              there was pretty much a 50/50 split on whether I should have volunteered that information. It went in my personal record ( OH GAWD I’ll never work in this city again.. pffffffft.)

            • Frodis73

              Lol, when my shrink told me we both had POF she did say she wasn’t supposed to as it was against some professional code, which I do understand. I think it depends on the parties involved.

            • Baby

              Absolutely doggie..

            • beauty for ashes

              To make you feel more comfortable. Have you ever been to a shrink?

          • beauty for ashes

            Unfortunately not. I know men that have been as well. Members of my family have been raped. By people they know and liked. I have girlfriends who have been raped and gotten pregnant. I have girlfriends who have gotten raped by their boyfriends and stayed with them as well. One thing too, is that this was in the Christian community where you are not even supposed to have sex until you are married.
            It is terrible. I am so lucky.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              ^^^ This.

            • beauty for ashes

              I forgot to say, I don’t know ANYBODY who went to the police or the hospital.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              And that is also SOP.

              Sick. Wrong. Words fail.

              (This is getting to me. One close to me…. the molester died in an auto accident before she ever told anyone about it. So… no closure. Ever.)

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            When I was carefree and single, I thought rape was rare. Then I got married and connected to a lot of women, and discovered that it is decidedly not. Won’t go into personal; details, but women very close to me have been victims. And sometimes, kept it to themselves for years. I thought it was odd that my therapist asked me early on if I had been ever been sexually molested (I have not). Later I found out it is a standard question, as it is just that common.

      • mrssandoval

        @flyonthewall Gook stores are usually minimart-like in that they sell smokes, booze, candy, pop, and always cheapy knock-off designer-goods. It’s so embarrassing, but one of my Korean uncles did 5yrs in white-collar prison for running a fake Louis Vuitton, Dior, Gucci handbag scheme.
        They usually can’t speak English very well, and they always look sad. Also, we’re known as the cheap Asians, so there’s no ac or heating in the shops.
        Good prices on smokes, though 🙂

        • beauty for ashes

          Mrs Sandoval, I miss my old neighborhood where the the Korean store had the best cheapest hoagies! West Philadelphia, had a multitude of ethnic stores and restaurants so it was not that uncommon. 🙂

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            And knock-off toys with incredibly entertaining copy on the labels. My all-time favorite was a baby doll with bottle, boldly labeled “SUCKING BABY.” With the tag line, “She sucks with pleasure.” So wrong. So guileless.

          • mrssandoval

            I never knew that! I’ve been to Philly once, and I did not seek out such stores. I’m temporarily living in Seattle until I can move back to Las Vegas, and there are A LOT of Asians here! All of Las Vegas maybe had just 3 Asians, so I can have all of my teriyaki chicken hoagies I want here!
            There’s a Vietnamese-owned sandwich shop that sells their style of cooking into a hoagie and it’s delicious!

            Can any of y’all tell me how I can be notified of new articles? I’m always a day late, dollar short 🙁

            • Glen

              There is a new article everyday. Tony posts it at 7 am east coast time.

              Edited to correct time.

            • Glen

              Sorry, I meant to say he posts it at 7 AM east coast, 4 AM west coast.

            • mrssandoval

              Ok, so I’m on my phone because I hate using my laptop. When I bust out the laptop, my 3yr old wants to press every button.
              So, Glen, on the main page, bottom left, there’s an email address you’re supposed to write to in order to get the latest info. I told whomever reads the emails my full name, Discus name, offered my social security number (jokingly), and that’s about it.
              Have you written to that address?

            • beauty for ashes

              Just in case nobody did, there is a paragraph at the top left, that tony puts his email address to contact him just incase you want to be notified when new articles come up. I never check my email, so I never signed up, but if you do I hope that helps!
              I lived on the outskirts of west philly, and there was an Ethiopian store, a Korean deli, a barbeque, a Mexican restaurant. A Peruvian restaurant, an Ethiopian restaurant, sushi restaurants, indian, and so much more. I miss it a lot.

            • mrssandoval

              I found that, but thank you!

              Where do you live now, if you don’t mind me asking? I’m currently in Seattle and although it’s supposed to be multicultural and liberal, you’d never know by the way people act, and especially the restaurants. Chinese food is not Panda Express!

              I LOVE Peruvian food!!! I’m from Texas, Arizona, but mostly Las Vegas and there was a Peruvian restaurant in walking distance. Dang it. Now I’m hungry!

              I love Greek, Israeli, Mediterranean food. There’s so many places in Las Vegas, but not here. I love Indian food, too. Both Native American and India!!!!

              Philly is COOOOLLLLDDDDD!!!! It’s like, the ice-is-cutting-through-your-bones cold! I’m so used to warmer climates and I thought I would die. Beautiful city and I was supposed to go to University of Pennsylvania, but dang it is cold!

            • beauty for ashes

              I now live in Florida near Daytona. I’ve called it culturally anorexic here. That is why I miss food so much, and people of other races, and culture and learning. **heavy sigh** My parents aren’t well right now so I can’t move, because I wouldn’t be comfortable since nobody else lives near.
              I love indian food. luckily there are a few frozen food dinners that are indian I have found. Soo pathetic. There is one great family owned thai place thank god!

            • mrssandoval

              I could see that about Daytona, being a spring break-area and all.
              I’ve lived in Las Vegas for the longest time in my life–18yrs. It, too, is tourist-y; however, it’s only on Las Vegas Blvd aka The Strip. Outside of the strip, there are a lot of Mexicans, but maybe 3 Asians and nothing else. If you see anyone that’s not white, it’s because they go to UNLV.
              Is there a Trader Joe’s in Daytona? If so, they make decent frozen Indian food 🙂

            • mrssandoval

              Oh, and I’m sorry about your family. This is why we’re here in Seattle (my husband’s mom & dad died within months of each other), and why we’re going back to Las Vegas (my dad has prostate cancer.)

              In my sorority, many moons ago in college, my lil sis was from Philly. We’re still very close. She’d say “yo” at the end of every sentence, i.e., “let’s get outta here, yo!” I made fun of her so much that I now say “yo”, without a thought, at the end of sentences!

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              I added myself to Tony’s mailing list so I get notifications that way. I think in other comments you’ve made I read that you’re in the Pacific NW (I’m in So Cal but am a former Nor Cal girl myself 😘) SO know that he also posts every morning at 7:00am EST which is 4:00am for us. I’m an insomniac so I tend to be up when his posts publish every morning. You’re a total spitfire – so glad you’re here! Xoxo

            • mrssandoval

              Jennyfurrrr, my name is Jennifer, too! Jennifer Anne, born in 1979, so my name is the most common name for that year according to the ssi administration. My parents were sooooo original🙄
              My nickname since junior high is “Crazy Jenny” or just “Crazy Jenn.” Inside, it hurt because what they didn’t know is I have clinical depression and panic disorder. Both are so debilitating, and if it wasn’t for meds, I wouldn’t be alive—which we know is against scn doctrine!
              I embrace the craziness and my spitfire personality. It has nothing to do with my illnesses; rather, it’s just me😘
              I’m from Las Vegas and I’m moving back home soon. I lived in Houston for years, and so I plan to very soon but a house there to set roots. I just have some classes that need retaking at UNLV, where I did my 1st year of law school. After that, I have to go to University of Houston. Bleh.
              I was scouted by Yale (hand to god!), Cornell (boooo, hate that school’s law program), Pepperdine (tier 3, but subsidized housing in Malibu?! YES!!), ASU, USC, Penn State, and 1 more that I’m flubbing. I’m a nerd student, I’m a hs dropout from drug addiction and that makes me desirable (weirdly), 1st to go to college, Vietnam vet dependent, and my weighted GPA is 4.15. Oh, and I started a charity and worked with (former) Mayor Oscar Goidnan to deciminalize prostitution and to bring a needle exchange to Las Vegas. I’m not even liberal, but do have some liberal beliefs!
              I’ve been lurking for years, primarily due to their horrendous treatment of the mentally ill. Also, their propaganda against psychiatry can, and has, taken lives. This to me is criminal, basically a RICO charge-worthy org, dangerous, and the whole org is just one big human rights violation!
              I adore you and have followed you for awhile. Us Jennifers should stick together 😉. Once I get my law degree/dual masters in public policy, let’s take this cult down!!!!

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Aw thank you! Just made me teary-eyed – seriously!
              And WOW impressive – I need to pick your brain as I want to head back to school. I started having kids when I was in college so I never finished & have to start from scratch. Until the crash in 07-08 it never affected me. I was a systems analyst and/or interactive marketing project manager for years and all of a sudden my experience meant nothing without a degree so it’s time.
              I SO understand the nicknames of childhood vs underlying pain. Mental illness runs rampant in my family and my generation was the first to seek help (myself and a few cousins) so looking back we realize how much easier life might have been had we known and gotten help earlier (or had our parent gotten help earlier)!
              I’m in SoCal but get to Vegas fairly often as I have a few cousins there, so we will definitely have to get together one of these days! I was THIS close to being Jennifer Anne but the middle name went to my Dad’s Christy banjo instead. Lol! I’m a ’74 Jennifer (I think that was the 1st or 2nd year of the 5-6 yr run of our name being #1 … LOL I still remember one English class being one of FIVE Jennifer’s in there!) and yep I’ve used all the versions myself! Jenn to most friends now, Jenny to family & friends with whom I’ve known since childhood, Jennifer to teachers and professional contacts and even JC for a while (that started due to the 5-Jennifer class!).
              Lastly – I’m SO down – let’s take them on! I’d done mission work through church & Food for the Hungry for years until having my 2 youngest THE past few years and I’m lost without tangibly doing something to serve and help people & Scientology is something about which I’m SO passionate and tired of watching the blatant abuse – I want to help! Lets do it!

    • iampissed

      “It feels like he “doesn’t have consent.” He doesn’t, he is a real man.

      • mrssandoval

        @impissed Thank you! He very much is!!! He will go to the store to buy tampons for me and will call another man out for making fun of him. One time, recently, he said “My wife’s a woman. They have periods and it’s natural. She’s cramping and I’m not sending her to buy them. Good luck finding a wife with an attitude like that, bro. Grow up!”

    • ExCult.Jan

      Thanks for your clarity, mrss. I’m embarrassed that I had the same reaction but let it slide without commenting.

      Edit options include:
      “[victim B] found herself under Masterson as he was sexually assaulting her.”
      “[victim B] found herself under Masterson as he was raping her.”

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      The way you put that was so powerful and your attitude towards life and way of reaching out to others who’ve suffered is absolutely beautiful!

      • mrssandoval

        Jen, thank you so much. My heart just fluttered after reading that, because it means the world to me! It’s been my life’s passion to help others that have suffered sexual violence, to stand up and say my real name, and let them know that they’re not alone.
        I am beyond crushed when a victim comes forth against a “celeb”, and then read people—even other women!—doubting the veracity of their claims. What’s most crushing is the victim blaming and shaming: “why didn’t you call the police?” Fear. “Yeah right. He gets girls all the time and doesn’t have to take it.” Rape is a crime of control, not some guy being horny. “She just wants money and/or fame.” No amount of money can erase that pain, and no victim really wants their name, lives, friends & family dissected and disseminated in the media.
        Ignorant fools and it’s the 21st century. We can marry outside of out race, marry same gender, but can’t be rape victims?!

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Exactly! And how sad is it that SO often it takes someone else standing up and saying “This happened to me – let me tell you about it…” so everyone’s uncomfortable because it’s still such a taboo therefore easier to believe it doesn’t happen as much as it does until someone forces people to hear that it happens ALL THE TIME in order to shatter that bubble and get people to drop preconceived notions and LISTEN! The letter that rape victim wrote last year was a perfect example- no one paid attention to her or her case until she spelled out how ridiculously she was REvictimized via the court case intended to vindicate and bring “justice.”
          That’s why you speaking up so eloquently IS so courageous and important! Hugs!

  • Way off topic. One of my friends decided I need a $600 SRL camera to capture mother nature.
    So they bought it for me. Hope I will get it around Monday. Friends are amazing.

    • ExCult.Jan

      You must be an amazing friend to them!

    • iampissed

      Friends are amazing….thanks for reminding us of that.

    • iampissed

      The waiting for it must be pure bliss.

    • TexasBroad

      How exciting! Looking forward to your pictures!

    • flyonthewall

      What’s the catch? Maybe they’re just trying to get your prints on the camera in order to frame you? That’s what I would do

      • iampissed

        I keep trying to hit the down arrow….why is the down arrow there.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Ha! A double exposed camera pun.

      • Dunno what’s the catch, but as a retaliation, I gave one of my friends a few movies on VHS today and some movies on DVD’s to my neighbors. Most of it was surprisingly appreciated. To each their own.

      • Observer

        Note to self: return any packages from fly unopened.

    • iampissed

      Maybe you “Pulled it In”

      • Observer

        I bet he did!

        • iampissed

          Maybe it works…who knew.

    • Frodis73

      Wow, what a great gift and a great friend. Congrats Dodo!!

    • beauty for ashes

      I am going to be soooo jealous!!!!! excited to see what you post. Glad to hear you have good friends 🙂

    • Baby

      Good Gawd.. How fabulous..

      All my friends are bums who don’t have a pot to piss in.. Damn.. I gotta start hanging out with different people.. ( Just kidding)

      The treasures I have received from my friends are priceless.. Now I don’t want to start listing Bunker friends who have given me treasures because I know I would miss someone..so I won’t. but they know who they are.. xoxox baby

      • beauty for ashes

        you know we’ve been dying to help you. clean your house send ya food. you don’t answer me!!! everyone always says yes if you do that for baby count me in!!! (I am so sarcastic, it is totally up to you with what you are comfortable with) I will just keep sending you love!

        • Baby

          Love is all I need sweet beauty..

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsxtImDVMig

          • beauty for ashes
            • Baby

              beautiful.. wow

            • Asclepia

              Milkweed – Monarch butterfly food!!!

            • beauty for ashes

              really? oooooh!!! I love them. we already have a butterfly bush in the back yard too. Thank you for taking the time to tell me, I was sooo enamoured of their tiny blooms.

            • Asclepia

              I had to tell you because I watched three monarchs emerge from their chrysalises near this plant yesterday. They eat this plant down to the stems, but it comes back in time for the next batch of caterpillars. It is a ridiculously moving thing to experience. 🙂

            • beauty for ashes

              OOOOOoooh!!! that is beautiful. 🙂 LUCKY!!!!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You can say that again…

        • Baby

          All I need is love darlin..

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsxtImDVMig

  • Jimmy3

    Yall know what time it is. Yall hear the drums echoing tonight.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY

  • beauty for ashes

    Maru tries waist training like Joy Villa, then thinks better of it. I can’t believe he fit!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71hVro7CH80

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That last part? That’s what I look like trying to take off a turtleneck sweater.

      I’m convinced Maru has no bones.

      • beauty for ashes

        Isn’t he just delightful to watch? such a strange cat. LOL!!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          He is a trip! A unique personality.

  • Observer
  • Observer

    Oh, yeah–daylight saving time starts tonight. If we’re going to hang on to this useless, disruptive anachronism the least they could do is make the switch on a Friday night so we have two days to get used to it. Humbug.

    • Baby

      I never adjust.. Never..

      • Observer

        I’m screwed up for a week at least, and it’s getting worse as I get older. The only good thing is that the first couple of workdays fly by.

    • Frodis73

      I hate it too, but at least we are going into more daylight time which means more sun. Yes, I hate winter and lack of sun drives me batty.

      • Observer

        I don’t mind it. I have the opposite of SAD (and it’s nice to be validated, haha). I find hot weather and endless sunny days far more depressing than winter, though I actually get more irritable than depressed. It’s why I left California for Seattle at 18.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/13/health/seasonal-depression-can-accompany-summer-sun.html

        • Frodis73

          Wow, so opposite of me. I cannot imagine and would sell my soul to be living in CA.

          • Ann B Watson

            Well I never wanted to leave Los Angeles in 1978. The Sea Org and old OSA Guardian’s Office had other travel plans for me. But I swear Frodis73, I am going back to LA to visit before I fly on. That is a given!!💛💛

        • TexasBroad

          I’ve never been formally diagnosed with SAD but I don’t need to be…ask anyone who ever has to be around me over a stretch of cloudy days. The Gulf Coast is famously humid and while people acclimate to it here, they still complain – while I love it. I get into a sweltering car and sit for a second to soak it up before I hit the AC.

          • Ann B Watson

            Hi TexasBroad, I hear you. Boston, Mass born and lived in my younger years in the blizzards there,skiing and always outdoors. Then moved on and went to The Sea Org in Hollywood 74-78, and enjoyed the weather and the sunrise sunsets there, not the work of slavery in SO. Lived all around mid Atlantic and Florida, and 20 years ago came to Baton Rouge Louisiana not knowing a soul. And here I still am. I cannot stand the cold anymore and I like you would much rather be humid and hot. Love the heat cool car seats too when it is one hundred degrees! And I have hissy fits with the best of them sometimes clouds or sun. Good to meet you.❤️

      • beauty for ashes

        You are always welcome to visit me at the old folks neighborhood in Florida. They do get like Heathers though , I warn you. Its is also bike week in Daytona! 😉

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      I’m a bit lucky living in Japan, I guess. I understand the government here tried DST some decades ago, but decided they didn’t like it. It’s convenient not having to switch back and forth, but I do have to keep the time change in mind when communicating with folks back home.

    • Ann B Watson

      Love This Observer. Make us all crazy change the time every Thursday : 2:00 pm.💛

  • Baby
    • Observer

      <3

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Sweet dreams.

      • Baby

        thanks honey.. xo

  • Baby

    I wanted to leave you all with this. One of my favorite songs.. by Queen. What a rough day this has been for us..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kijpcUv-b8M

    • Baby

      RIP Freddie.. No not Rest.. You just be Crazy wild.. just like you were on earth… You certainly
      ” Lived out Loud..”

      • Newiga

        Freddie Mercury <3 Queen <3

    • beauty for ashes

      I love this song too, happy memories.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaZpZQG2z10

      • Ann B Watson

        💘💛❤️

      • Baby

        awww does it.. sweet..

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Not one of my favorite Queen songs, but def one of their best performances. Look at that crowd participation at around 1:44! This entire set was legendary. (F5)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukC2FIjwUqM

      • Baby

        WOW .. they love that man.. eh.. amazing.. I would have given anything to be there..

    • Ann B Watson

      💛😘😘😘

      • Baby

        💛😘😘😘

    • Haha – I’m so behind on music I don’t even know which of those if any is Queen. Wonderful music thanks 🙂 It was a rough day but I had fishing scheduled and we fished for a good 6 hours which dissipated the forever ongoing bad news from the church. Thanks Baby.

      • Baby

        Oh Cece( HUGS) fishing is good.. Queen is the name of the group.. xo

        Mac says sometimes his fishing should be called Waiting.. but he is more his
        authentic self on the water than on land.. ( except of course with me..had to add that because he would to balance it..

        but.. his eyes light up like a little boy getting ready to fish..) and I love to see that..

        Yep the Fuckin Cult sux. errrrrrrgh

        • Thanks for the hugs Baby. Mac must be comfy to be around ~ ya my guy likes fishing too and is right at home waiting with his bud-lite for hours and hours!
          Glad you are feeling well enough to be posting again.
          Oh and I’m reading all about Freddie Mercury now – thx.

          • Baby

            hahaha.. Freddie Mercury.. There you got it!

            Mac is so comfy to be around.. Like a nice fluffy robe that you’ll never give to Good Will..xo

  • Erica

    Slightly OT: This current and newest rift in the anti-scion crowd makes me yet again wish for a concise and objective history of the Lisa McPherson Trust and that whole clusterfuck. What a fascinating and unfortunate hiccup in the critic community that was.

  • Very strange. Dani and Tami spent a week with me and my wife in Sweden a year or so after they visited Marty and the church never contacted ME to get emails Dani and I have exchanged over the years. I wonder how the church knew to contact Marty but not me? Could Marty be . . . . . nah!

  • And I’m Cute, Too

    In this article alone, I read accounts of: cover-up of sexual abuse, failure to report to authorities, victim-blaming, meaningless interrogations, forcing the victim of an assault to meet her assailant, and obstruction of justice. Oh, and for good measure, rooking the victim for money. Did I miss anything?
    And Scientologists claim to be “the most ethical people on the planet”.

  • grundoon

    What if the Chruch infiltrated Dani’s org, snuck into his computer and copied the email from his Sent folder? They could have lied about getting the email from Marty. It would cover their tracks and as a big bonus, it would dead agent Marty. I haven’t seen this theory shot down yet, so fire away!

    • Ben Franklin

      Why can’t you just admit that Marty gave the email?The lawyer himself said he got the email from Marty. Marty has not even disputed that claim. Don’t you think if Marty was being accused falsely he probably would have come out by now and fiercely denied the accusations.

      By his own actions and his writings you can obviously tell that Marty has turned against Scientology critics. Why do you find it so hard to believe that Marty has turned against CoS critics, when every evidence so far points in that direction?

      • grundoon

        The lawyer himself said he got the email from Marty.
        Good point. It is well known that lawyers for Scientology never lie or mislead.
        Especially when the credibility of Miscavige’s recent bitter foe is at stake.

        Marty has not even disputed that claim.
        He hasn’t confirmed it. He may not see the point in engaging with people who he thinks have already passed judgment on him.

        Why do you find it so hard to believe?
        I don’t. “Peacemaker” is the one who finds it hard to believe.

        At present, we have only the word of Scientology’s lawyer. I simply asked: Could there be any plausible way that lawyer could have gotten that email without Dani’s or Marty’s cooperation? (Peacemaker has suggested some ways that I find implausible.)

        It is very easy to believe that Scientology would burglarize documents from an opponent in a legal case – they have done it time after time in countries around the world. Mrs. Hubbard was convicted and imprisoned for it. IIRC a Scientology PI is in jail right now for trying to hack into Tony’s email and Rinder’s email. Why wouldn’t they use their favorite trick against Dani and Marty?

        • Ben Franklin

          “It is very easy to believe that Scientology would burglarize documents from an opponent in a legal case”

          Yeah sure, who did they burglarize to get the email Dani or Marty? I am not a conspiracy theorist, so I don’t spend my time pondering far fetched scenarios. Hey, maybe some aliens are trying to frame Marty, who knows. Not every Scientology lawyer is a Scientologist, so, I don’t get why you think that every lawyer who represents CoS is liar, just because they represent CoS. You may think that lying in court is just a casual thing, it is not.

          • grundoon

            Who did they burglarize?

            If they could get access to Dani’s or Marty’s computer, those probably contain copies of all email sent and received, possibly including copies or fragments of “deleted” email; or from that computer they probably could obtain copies from the email server (at the ISP, gmail, etc.) if not kept locally. In less than a minute someone could walk up to a computer, insert a prepared USB stick, and walk away with a copy of the local email archive – and/or leave behind malware that could exfiltrate files and passwords.

            Physical access to Marty’s computer might not be that easy… but with Miscavige’s PIs living in the house next door which Miscavige bought for the purpose (which he has done twice that we know of), I wouldn’t rule it out.

            Physical access to Dani’s computer is probably a breeze. I suppose one of the dozens? hundreds? of students, staff, and friends who pass through the doors of Dani’s org would just have to step into his office. Scientology always tries to plant an agent in a position of trust in the enemy’s office or social circle.

            Without physical access, it might be possible to hack into Marty’s or Dani’s email. We know that Scientology hired an agent to hack into Rinder’s email and Ortega’s, because his bungling landed him in jail. How close did he get? Did he succeed against other victims before Rinder and Ortega got wise to him? Did Scientology later find a real, not pretend, hacker who could make it go right?

            I don’t spend my time pondering far fetched scenarios.
            It’s not far fetched to think that Scientology might continue to use the same tactics that they have always used.

            Hey, maybe some aliens are trying to frame Marty, who knows.
            Maybe some aliens successfully framed Paulette Cooper.
            No, that was Scientology.

            Not every Scientology lawyer is a Scientologist, so, I don’t get why you
            think that every lawyer who represents CoS is liar, just because they
            represent CoS.

            There are far more lying lawyers than Scientologists in the world.
            If lying lawyers are 1 in 100, that’s still more than enough for Scientology’s needs.

            It seems there are not that many lawyers of integrity willing to take orders from Miscavige and feed upon Scientology’s dirty money. Talking to a person of integrity probably makes Miscavige feel dirty and uncomfortable, so he prefers the likes of Muffie Yingling and Stripmall Soter.

            Let us suppose that there is a well-respected, impeccably honest lawyer who is not ashamed to represent Scientology in a case like Dani’s. Scientology’s in-house counsel hands over a document which Scientology’s investigator has obtained “from Marty.” Dani will testify that the document is genuine. Does the hired gun inquire into the legality (under US law) of how the document was obtained? I think the question would not be asked unless there was a challenge to the document from Dani’s side. What the lawyer says in court is misleading: he relies in good faith on incomplete information from the client. He isn’t a liar. Yet the end result is a lie.

            • Ben Franklin

              The way Marty has been acting against Scientology critics, I am more inclined to believe that Marty gave the email to Scientology lawyer, instead of the idea that someone stole his emails. Marty used to be friends with Dani but he turned against Dani and stopped communicating with him altogether. I don’t see why he would be loyal to a guy that he doesn’t even talk to or like anymore. The only thing that might change my mind is if Marty came out and vehemently denied that he gave the emails to the Scientology lawyer.

              Until Marty denies that the gave the emails, I will continue believing he gave the emails to the lawyer. Yes it is possible for Scientology to hack into people’s email, but, in this case I don’t believe so. If Marty was still very critical of Scientology, I would probably bought into the theory that he was hacked. There is no way Miscavige was going to just stop harassing Marty after the case was dropped unless he promised to give the to church something in exchange

            • grundoon

              If Scientology obtained the email without Marty’s assistance, we can go on thinking that he simply withdrew from the battle for the sake of his family.

              If Marty gifted the email to Scientology, it makes him lower than a snake’s belly, a quislingminton who threw away his claimed integrity to betray the trust of his former friends. He is not the person he seemed to be. Anyone who ever communicated with him has to assume that the Chruch has it all now. He is discredited in a way that all of Miscavige’s propaganda could never achieve.

              I agree that (2) seems pretty likely. But (1) is supported by
              Scientology’s 40+ year record of black bag jobs and infiltrations.

              If (1) is the truth but everyone believes (2), it’s a searing injustice to Marty and a stunning victory for Miscavige. I would not want to contribute to such an outcome, so I’m keeping an open mind for now. I’ll wait for more definite evidence.

            • Ben Franklin

              When Marty started attacking pretty much every Church of Scientology critic out there, I lost all the respect and trust I had for him. This is why I believe that it is more likely he has become a traitor. Marty’s attack of Scientology critics was a gift to Miscavige in a way if you want to look at it that way. Some of the people Marty viciously attacked are people who regarded him as a friend.

              On this, I don’t think we will ever come to an agreement because there is nothing I see to convince me that Marty is such a loyal guy that he would never ever throw his former friends under the bus. I have had an open mind and have defended Marty on certain criticisms. For example, I don’t believe that he was paid money, I also don’t believe that he has gone back to being a Scientologist. What I strongly believe though, is that he has become friendly with Church lawyers again and is willing to give them information about certain critics. Do you think it is just a coincidence that the Church does not criticize Marty anymore? Marty has become CoS friend, that is why they don’t find the need to attack him anymore. I have an open mind but I Just don’t trust Marty at the same level that you do. I see him as a guy who is capable of betraying his friends to save his own skin.

            • grundoon

              Eventually the truth will be unmistakable. Then we can agree.

              Thanks for the discussion.

            • Ben Franklin

              I agree. Truth is truth, and If eventually it turns out that I am wrong about Marty, I will be the first one to admit that I was wrong about Marty. Unfortunately for now, it is very hard for me to give Marty the benefit of the doubt based on Marty’s almost 180 degrees turn against CoS critics. If Marty was still a critic of CoS and was being attacked by the Church as he used to be, I would have been more inclined to believe that he was probably hacked.

              CoS has a long history of asking it’s former critics to help them kill outstanding legal cases as condition for any settlement agreement. All you have to do is look at Bob Minton and Vicki Aznaran’s 180 degrees turn around to see why I am saying Miscavige would not just give Marty peace of mind for nothing in exchange.

  • John Prince

    ..the same “ethics” awfisser who pressured the scio-mothers Not to go to the Police when their Kids were molested, huH? Am I hearing this Right? This story just keeps gettin’ more sickening! How can they let a slimeball like that run around free? (Even in L.A.!) IF the LAPD is serious about getting to the bottom of their Investigation , they need to Grab this motherfucker. .with THICK Rubber gloves, of course!

    • John Prince

      …oh, and THREE CHEERS for Tony O for connecting the dots and staying right in the Middle of this sobering Story of the Crimes of co$ 👐👐👐

  • chukicita

    Late to the game here, but Tracey Ullman nails it in this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51-hepLP8J4

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Wow, neat!

  • Fink Jonas

    My Scientology movie is now playing at the Archlight theater in Sunset Blvd, if you live in Hollywood area in LA, is playing almost every hour from 10 am till late night, am not making money for the plug in , just exited about it.

  • Jgg2012

    I would like to see these women sue Masterson and Scientology. First, they can make him testify, which you can’t do in a criminal case. Second, the punitive damages (if they can get it) are based on the wealth of the defendant. Scientology has billions. Third, I think that more info will come out regarding Scientology covering up serious crimes, like Shelly being missing.

  • ombrifuge

    Here is an article where Danny explains why he hates the fact that certain people (Psychiatrists) give drugs to vulnerable people (patients):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2949815/Danny-Masterson-explains-Scietnologists-hate-psychiatrists.html

  • Jgg2012

    btw, for those readers in the USA (which is most of us) I just want to remind you that our tax dollars help pay for this nonsense. I can think of better things our tax dollars can go to.

  • Someone Anonymous

    oh the things Julian Swartz knows…. I know of one person who cleaned up a suicide attempt by an AO older PC and was told by him to keep quiet and not tell anyone. She was also the last one on the scene yet the only one to call the cops. I’m sorry, but if you have a guy barely crawling that’s bleeding from his wrists (with the room looking like a murder scene) yelling feebly for help, 911 should be dialed within the first minute of assessing the situation and not 5 minutes later. I hope Julian wakes up. He’s not a bad dude but shit like this is just wicked. RAPE IS A CRIME. IT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH IN THE CRIMINAL JUDICIAL SYSTEM! Not by untrained MAAs in a “religion”.

  • Sal

    When I was in church, a fellow scientologist was being forced to date me. their goal was to keep me in church so dating a scientologist would help in that goal. Also, she would bring some troubles and “misunderstanding” in my life so i’ll need more session hours to “handle” those. I was just staying away from her as she was very adamant. She would keep texting me, meet me at my work and just won’t leave me. she was like ..”you are texting me back, so it works” but I was just trying to get rid of her and told her that clearly too that i am not interested in her but church staff would motivate her persistently to no give up her “goal” as she can achieve her goal of getting me. They would play different brutal games where another staff member (“who was already trailed for strong ethics actions”) would beat her up and she would show me wounds so as to have mercy on her. anybody would have given up and gave her some shelter. She was beaten up many times. finally, I left the church but that girl was married off to someone whom she never liked. She probably collected lot more money to “handle” her situation with him which was never suppose to work anyway. Staff member who beat her up (on advise of another staff member) is also paying big for his audits for doing such a evil thing and likely will serve in seaorg for “sins” he has done as that is part of his ethics conditions. All those advised beatings were win-win for church. They have life long servants who have done “big” sins.

    Church believes that black PR is actually a sort of PR. Don’t think that church did not want all these things to happen

  • Bob Miller

    So isn’t the obvious question….if all of what the members of this “Church” do and say is well documented in signed papers, audio, video, etc, why isn’t LAPD serving search warrants for the info? Hmmmmm.