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As Louis Theroux’s ‘My Scientology Movie’ hits U.S., troubling news of co-star Marty Rathbun

[Marty Rathbun and Louis Theroux in ‘My Scientology Movie’]

On Friday, Louis Theroux’s unconventional documentary My Scientology Movie opens in select U.S. cities after a successful run in the U.K. and Australia. The movie was largely shot in Los Angeles in 2014, and besides featuring Theroux himself it spends much of its time considering the veracity and perspective of former Church of Scientology official Mark “Marty” Rathbun.

Rathbun was once Scientology leader David Miscavige’s top “enforcer” for an organization that is known for its disinformation campaigns. So Theroux challenges Rathbun: Given that background, why should we accept what he was saying as a critic of Miscavige after leaving the church in 2004? Those questions produce a couple of the film’s most contentious and entertaining moments.

When Theroux’s movie had its October 2015 worldwide premiere in London, Rathbun didn’t attend, but director John Dower said in a Q&A after the film that he’d received an email from Rathbun saying that he liked the movie. By the time we saw the picture again at last year’s Tribeca Film Festival here in New York, it was obvious that Rathbun was no longer singing the movie’s praises.

Meanwhile, at his website, Rathbun attacked readers who raised questions about why his wife, Monique Rathbun, had suddenly fired her legal team in January 2016 and a few months later dismissed a lawsuit against the Church of Scientology that her attorneys had been litigating for more than two years and that they were clearly winning. Documents Monique submitted to the court blamed her attorneys for bungling the suit and for telling her there was no money in it — two things that didn’t comport with reality, according to our legal experts. When Marty was asked repeatedly for a more believable reason, he said the court documents spoke for themselves, and he denied that there was any kind of financial settlement to end the case. (If there had been, the fired attorneys would be entitled to a substantial percentage of it. They, too, were told that no settlement had occurred and that the Rathbuns had simply walked away from a lawsuit that realistically could have resulted in a payoff from the church of several million dollars.)

And then, last September, another stunning development just a few days before Theroux’s movie was having its first theatrical run, in Australia: Rathbun, at his blog, denounced the film, calling Theroux and his producers dishonest and deceptive. (And, for good measure, he called producer Simon Chinn a “tabloid hack,” Theroux an “ass clown,” and Dower a “rimless zero.”) Just days earlier, Rathbun had made a similar broadside against Ron Miscavige Sr. and his memoir, Ruthless: Scientology, My Son David Miscavige and Me. In both essays, Rathbun defended David Miscavige from what he characterized as unfair attacks. Rathbun also wrote pieces criticizing former church members like Jefferson Hawkins and Chris Shelton (and also this website). And to ABC, for a recent 20/20 episode, Rathbun refused an on-air interview but sent a message criticizing what he characterized as an “anti-Scientology cult” that he said was capable of worse acts than anything perpetrated by the Church of Scientology.

As we told ABC, it was a shocking turnaround, a “180” in perspective that was hard to reconcile. After leaving Scientology in 2004, Rathbun had started up a blog in 2009 that for the next four years savaged David Miscavige on nearly a daily basis as it became a rallying point for a growing number of defectors and “independent Scientologists.” After 2013, however, and as his wife’s lawsuit took up much of his time, Rathbun’s criticism of Miscavige had dropped off. But to see him actually defending his former nemesis while he attacked Ron Miscavige and Louis Theroux seemed, at least to some of us, hard to believe.

And now, there’s another new development that may stun Marty Rathbun’s many former readers.

It took place in, of all places, a courtroom in Tel Aviv, Israel.

A trial has been taking place there that we expect to tell you much more about in the coming days. The two sides are reportedly in settlement talks and will soon bring to an end what has been a running battle between Dani and Tami Lemberger and the Church of Scientology.

You may remember the Lembergers as the Haifa couple who, in 2012, made news by pulling their Scientology mission entirely out of the church’s orbit and going independent. Like many other longtime Scientologists, the Lembergers were dissatisfied with the leadership of David Miscavige, and they convinced nearly everyone at the mission they run as a partnership, the Dror Center, to declare their independence. The Lembergers even made a trip to Texas to visit with Rathbun, who was then at the high point of his shepherding of an active independent Scientology scene. On their way back to Israel, we interviewed Dani during a stopover at Newark airport. Since then, we’ve kept in contact with him and we’ve also visited the Lembergers in Haifa. So we were aware that they had filed suit against the church for libel and fraud in 2014. Since they had taken the Dror Center independent, they alleged, the church had harassed them and spread libelous statements about them in a “Suppressive Person Declare,” and were trying to keep them from doing Scientology independently.

On February 20, Dani Lemberger took the stand for testimony in the trial, and we had an observer in the courtroom. On his cross-examination, Dani was questioned by attorney Mattan Ben Shaul, who represented Scientology’s Israel operation.

And during that cross-examination, Ben Shaul said something startling. Stunned by what our courtroom observer told us, we obtained the hearing transcript to make sure we had it right.

Mattan Ben Shaul: I am telling you that I contacted Marty Rathbun, that enemy of Scientology that you visited in 2012. And I received from him an email that you sent him in 2013. Please confirm that you sent an email to Marty in April 2013? I will read to you what you said about Mr. Hubbard. Admitted into evidence as N33.

Ben Shaul went through the email with Lemberger, asking him about something that made Lemberger laugh in the courtroom.

Ben Shaul: In the email I’ve shown you, you are presented as a “squirrel,” and that makes you laugh? Why does that description of you as a squirrel make you laugh?

Dani Lemberger: The person who distorts Scientology is Miscavige, and he is designating me as a “squirrel,” but he is the master squirrel. ‘Judge not lest ye be judged.’ And he says about me that I’m a squirrel? That’s laughable, he is a big criminal.

And then, Ben Shaul read from Lemberger’s email something Dani had supposedly said to a Scientology auditor in a confessional setting.

Ben Shaul: I’m continuing with the same email, reading it to you. You said in that email that if you had a pistol, with just one bullet you would put it in Miscavige’s head. You said this at Flag. When were you at Flag.

Lemberger: I didn’t say it at Flag. I said it to my personal therapist in the course of therapy, privately. That is forbidden from publishing…

Ben Shaul: But it’s your email. Did you write it?

Lemberger: My email is my private email and I don’t know if he [Marty Rathbun] was allowed to give it to you, without my consent. But the fact is that he gave it to you.

 

[A key portion of the transcript from Dani Lemberger’s Feb. 20 cross-examination.]

 
At his website, Marty Rathbun has criticized former Scientologists like Ron Miscavige and Jefferson Hawkins, and filmmakers Louis Theroux and John Dower, accusing them of being even worse than the Church of Scientology while he, Rathbun, has pulled back from the fray in a neutral position — the “middle path” he has called it numerous times on his website.

But this exchange in a Tel Aviv courtroom suggests that Rathbun is not neutral. If Scientology’s attorney is to be believed (and he said it under oath), Rathbun has actively helped the Church of Scientology in litigation against a former member, and turned over an email not only sent in private, as Lemberger testified, but which contained the inflammatory detail that Lemberger had talked (probably jokingly) about assassinating David Miscavige.

Marty Rathbun, of all people, would know exactly what a weapon such an email would make in the hands of the Church of Scientology.

After confirming the court exchange, we sent Rathbun a message.

“Are you cooperating with the Church of Scientology in litigation with a critic of the church? Are you being paid by the Church of Scientology for your cooperation? Was the dismissal of Monique’s lawsuit part of a deal for the church to pay you?”

He sent us a response.

“You are admittedly clueless. Given your serial, repeated representations that you know what ‘really’ happened, that also makes you admittedly fraudulent.”

We then sent him a copy of the court transcript to make sure that Rathbun knew exactly what had been said. He didn’t respond.

According to Texas law, Monique Rathbun’s former legal team — Ray Jeffrey, Marc Wiegand, Elliott Cappuccio, and Leslie Hyman — would be entitled to a substantial portion of any settlement made, even in secret, between the Rathbuns and the Church of Scientology.

Those who speculated that Rathbun had secretly settled will be feeling justifiably smug today.

And everyone who ever sent him an email that they didn’t want the Church of Scientology to see?

It may be time to rue the day.

 
UPDATE: When we posted this story, Dani Lemberger was unable to comment because his lawsuit was still in settlement negotiations. The next day, however, those negotiations were completed (the terms of which are not being disclosed), and Lemberger sent us this message about Rathbun turning over his private message for the church to use against him.

Hey Tony, Shabbat Shalom,

Not much I can say about Marty. I was surprised by the Church’s attorney presenting the email from Marty but I don’t see it had much impact. It gave them satisfaction that they had something on me. I laughed at the very bizarre twist.

The next day I wrote Marty an email, see below. He didn’t respond. He did answer you when you asked him about it.

Marty and Tami and I spent a week together at their home in June 2012. That got us declared. I stayed in comm with Marty the next year or so, until mid-2013. He became weird and “anti-Indie Scientology,” so the correspondence ended.

There was never a real upset between us, he has no reason to want to hurt me. Only if he is now working with David Miscavige and being paid by Miscavige would he give any info to a lawyer in Israel he doesn’t know.

That’s all I know about this. Regards, Dani

Hello Marty, how are you?

It’s been a long time since we were last in comm.

A lot has been happening at my end, Tami and I have a lovely granddaughter, Dror Center is busy, we are doing well and are still working hard trying to make a better world.

How are you? How’s Mosey and your son?

I have finished reading some time ago your book, Memoirs of a Scn Warrior. What a story! I know you’ve been through a lot, I hope you are well and life is comfortable.

As you know, my lawsuit is going through the court in Israel. There was a hearing yesterday with myself cross-examined by the Church’s lawyer, Matan Ben-Shaul. He took me by surprise when he mentioned he had been in comm with you concerning the lawsuit and then presented to the court an e-mail I wrote to you in 2013. In this mail I told you of something that came up in my auditing at Flag, concerning David Miscavige.

I don’t think this e-mail has a major impact on the proceedings. Still this was upsetting to me since I did not expect you would act in any way to hurt me or help the Church against me. I’m just wondering about this, what made you give them my private letter to you. Of course, you have a right to do with your correspondence as you see fit but maybe you can tell me more about this.

Please let me hear back from you. Best reagrds, Dani

 

 
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Chris Shelton on Sea Org recruitment

Says Chris: “Back in 2014 I wrote an article for Mike Rinder’s blog about Scientology recruitment, specifically focusing on how the Sea Org recruits new staff. This has surprisingly not been a topic that has been covered in much detail. So after seeing a few bits and pieces here and there, I thought it was time to download most of what I know about this topic and especially combine this with the conspiracy theories that Scientologists get into following because of L. Ron Hubbard’s wacky beliefs. Anyone who follows my channel knows that I’m not big on global/international conspiracy theories and the reason for that is because I’ve been all the way down that rabbit hole and I clawed my way back out of it with a lot of study and critical thinking. That experience left me very impatient when someone starts talking about blood-drinking lizard people from outer space or centuries old plots by gangs of old men trying to subjugate the planet to their evil will. There’s enough real world nonsense, including real conspiracies, to worry about without having to dream up that psychiatry is trying to lobotomize all of us. So with that, here is my video on recruitment methods which I think may surprise some of you. This was actually one of the harder videos for me to produce in quite a while. Enjoy!”

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,685 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,788 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,282 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,322 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,034 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 501 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,619 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,789 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,109 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,084 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 440 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,742 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 849 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,251 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,124 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 705 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,210 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,454 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,563 days.

 
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  • ombrifuge

    I wonder at which point in the compiling of the above story the PIs started showing their faces? I wonder if it was after the email Marty got with the court transcript that he didn’t reply to. If so, I think that shows which side of the middle path he is on.

  • Noesis

    I’ve been a critic of Marty’s conduct for some time. Months ago I predicted skullduggery about / from / by Marty immediately prior to the US release of the Theroux “My Scientology Movie” (as a distraction from his unflattering portrayal) but this was not quite what I thought would occur.

    Not exactly sure how to fit this into the timeline of prior events we think happened.

    I would add that a routine part of Hubbard’s instructions to his GO (and now OASA) minions was that if one cannot bend / turn a critic, that at a minimum that critic needs to be destroyed as a credible source of entheta (these are my words and I’m too lazy right now too go through all of Hubbard’s spew to document the exact reference.)

    Sliming a source of entheta can be accomplished in many ways. This smells like one of the ways.

    If nothing else, another rather foul odor has been created about Marty Rathbun right before the US release of a movie that will prove damaging to Sea Org Captain David Miscavige and Scientology. While the reputation of the latter two probably can’t sink much lower, the portion of the general population that is aware of that reputation can grow.

    If Marty is discredited further, the strength of the message of the movie is lessened. At a minimum, a greater degree of confusion about one of the sources for the content of the movie has been generated.

    My guess is there is more to know about this than appears on the surface. It will be interesting to see what additional information comes out (or is offered) over time.

    • Absolutely… there is much more than meet the eye.

      • Noesis

        It is not beyond the pale to include the idea that there is intentional self-sliming going on here… to create doubt about the credibility of Marty’s own earlier and very damaging revelations about the true nature of Scientology senior leadership.

        That would also fit the “Marty has returned to the fold” theory.

        Whatever is going on, murkiness has been generated…squid ink…in the style of those who use such devices regularly to escape the consequences of their deeds (and the motives behind those deeds.)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Rue, rue, rue, you bot
    Gently drown the screams
    Murkily, murkily, murkily
    Lies instead of dreams

    Here, Martyr Wrathburn, have a few poison arrow frogs –
    perfect for a toady.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef9a8317fd6d856cbbbc83ef526087d69a4a995aff81ecc7df5f0f54b8505673.jpg

    $cientology: Putting you in touch with your inner psychopath

    $cientology: spiritual, emotional and financial bankruptcy, guaranteed since 1953
    [This is NOT a money-back guarantee]

    $cientology is to religion as Trump is to truth, as Kellyanne Conway is to facts, as
    Power of Source is to music, as clean is to coal.

    $cientology: The way to haplessness

    $cientology is to ethical as slavery is to immigration

    It is ironic to think that the most successful long con of the 20th Century
    uses a lie detector to peddle it’s fraud.
    Reed Slatkin had no comment.

    It is sickening to remember that Danny Masterson’s friend, horse lover
    Jenna Elfman, is on camera for yelling about baby rape at a critic.
    Jenna Elfman – redefining stable wins.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f4c410816b4d90d2d86cca0c3cfb4ba9da13ab9581c121d751a444daaf7d8f5.jpg

  • WOG with Attitude

    Who knew?! Foul language and ad hominem attacks are our next spiritual & evolutionary step. Homo ad Hominem.

    I’m sorry for Marty. Even more sorry for Monique and their child.

    Very sad.

  • iampissed

    Who?

  • Martyr Athbun… You are another Brick! in my Wall..

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Are you playing with Legos again?

  • Creidiki

    Isn’t it obvious. Rathburn needs to be the hero of his own story. He’s not prepared to face what he did inside the Co$ and Louis and the Bunkeroos will not let him forget it.

    • If Marty is the hero of his own story, it’s probably a flawed hero tragedy with a lot of.bodies.

      • It would work as Absurdist theatre.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m still waiting for Godot.

          • chukicita

            He’s still waiting for Ron to come back.

            • That would work – but in a different way. Hubbard is even less likely to turn up than Godot, and the two Scientologists would be either regging or snitching on each other.

            • Chee Chalker

              Waiting for Rondot

          • I normally hate that sort of thing… but I love “Godot” – two old fools protecting each other from the anguish of living in an utterly indifferent world.

      • Creidiki

        Well first he was the knigh protector for the church, then he was the master auditor bringing Ron’s true “tech” to starving masses. Then he became Marty the Martyr persecuted by the church. Then reasonable new age guru but always, always the good guy of the story. I suspect that if Miscarriage had not turned on him he would still happily be Scientology’s chief enforcerer with zero regrets.

  • Relax, everybody. This is just Louie Theroux’ extremely clever plan to promote his film that co-stars Marty. You can bet this story about the Lembergers will not hurt the box office. Cash in, Louie!

    • Observer

      How is Louis Theroux behind Marty turning private emails over to an Israeli attorney for use against an Indie in a lawsuit taking place in Israel?

      • George Layton

        No worries, sometimes Independent means “of reality”.

      • Ben Franklin

        He is probably being sarcastic

        • Frodis73

          That is what I thought, but ya never know!

          • Ben Franklin

            Reason I said that is because I have miss read some of his statements before and asked him what he meant, and he would point it out later to me that he was being sarcastic and not literal

      • gtsix

        Because, like Leah influenced Brandon Reisdorf to attack a church and Leah used 3 victims of rape to slander a fine actor all to increase her ratings for a show, Louis convinced Marty to send the emails in 2012, but told him to wait until 2016 to do it, then Louis used the Chaos Demon Ortega to provide this press release just in time for the US premier.

        Did ya get that? All about the $$$$$$

        /end sarcasm

  • I saw an ad for an upcoming Jenna Elfman series.
    Now I’m sad.

    • Missionary Kid

      Does it have horses in it?

    • Frodis73

      I saw the first one on tv last night too. It looks soooo bad. Cannot believe anybody would still want to hire her, she is just not that good an actress.

    • Alice Graves

      Don’t be sad – now the networks cancel shows after even two episodes if they really, really suck.

    • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

      None of her series after Dharma and Greg have lasted more than 13 episodes when she was a cast member. Feel sorry for the executives who green-lighted this project.

  • Jimmy3

    Thank ron the pix I sent Marty were fake.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Marty is a turncoat.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1709fd8e7ca39e15216530b2a47afc303b31dcd823988b555500e9f9451ece74.gif
    He goes by LRH’s “attack the attacker”. He is below 2.0 on the Scientology emotional Tone Scale, which he is supposed to still believe in. Hostility at the most.
    The Sea Org is doing ANYTHING to recruit new members.

  • Harmless Weirdo

    I would like to take this opportunity to say, “Fuck you, Marty. Enjoy the feeling of Miscavige’s hand up your ass, you puppet.”

    And to Monique: “Lady, you married a bona fide crazyman. Yeah, it happens; he didn’t seem too crazy to us, either, at that time. But I no longer have any doubt he’s using the same old narcissistic cult mindfuck on you as well. Because that stuff doesn’t stay neatly penned up, used only on “enemies”–it spills out into everything and onto everyone else.

    “So if you get up the nerve to pack up your kid and high-tail it out of there, know that there are a lot of us out here willing to help you survive the epic shtstorm that will follow.”

    • George Layton

      P.S. Take the money with you.

  • Alice Graves

    I can’t imagine a more soul-less life trajectory than the one Rathbun appears to now be on. To forfeit your values, and all of the good will he created by going public with the truth about scientology’s scam, for money, is something most people can’t even fathom.

    Rathbun’s revelations about the scam of scientology is what alerted me to the evils of this cult years ago, and I never lost interest in the subject. So many shining souls have emerged out of the horrors of it, and their stories of recovery and strength and hope have kept me hopeful about the human race even in these dark times.

    I think I’m going to call this “Marty’s Choice.” Can’t think of a better example in recent times of someone who could have done huge good, but chose to make a deal with the Devil instead.

  • SP Wannabe

    Good morning, Bunker friends. I don’t have time to read the comments today, darn it, so I apologize if this has been discussed into the ground already. It’s always appeared to me that DM and MR each have enough dirt on the other to bury them both under the prison. It looked to me, prior to the lawsuit, that neither one could pull the trigger without destroying himself. Then something happened to shift the balance. MR getting more cautious b/c of the baby? DM getting more reckless as the con dwindled? Evidence sanitized or manufactured?

    I’m just engaging in conjecture, but it looked to me that the belly-to-belly, dirt-kicking posturing suddenly came to an end, and MR was back on DM’s leash. I suspect it had less to do with “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” , and more to do with, “I don’t care what it costs me, I’ll take you down and laugh.”

    IMO, couldn’t happen to two “nicer” guys. I feel so sorry for Monique and her son, though.

  • ombrifuge

    I watched the Louis Theroux film last night and found myself feeling a bit sorry for Marty towards the end of it. It almost felt like Louis was trying to expose him in some way. And then I was amazed to see he was the subject of today’s story. Could it be that Louis Theroux knew exactly what he was doing in his film? I’m wondering if he (Louis) knows a lot more about Scientology than was allowing himself to appear to know? The film suddenly makes way more sense now.

    • chukicita

      I haven’t yet seen the film, but I have seen promotional trailer and interview where Louis says maybe he would be the first journalist to show that Scn is beneficial.

      For some reason that makes me think of Scn saying it wants to be a good community neighbor in CW.

      So was he gaslighting the gaslighters? Wonder how that feels.

    • It’s okay to feel ambivalent about Marty. Like any good character in a Greek tragedy, he can evoke a panoply of strong feelings from empathy to rage. The brilliance of Theroux’s film is that when it became obvious that the church wasn’t going to cooperate with his documentary, the film became a study of Rathbun as a product of Scientology. It deserves an Oscar, and not because it will embarrass Miscavige and the church, but because it’s an astonishingly deep portrait of a troubled man, troubled by the product of another troubled man, who is himself a . . . well, you get the picture.

      • ombrifuge

        The more I think about it the more clever I think that film is. And I read lots of reviews that painted it as bland, soft and doing nothing new.

        • Some people just don’t get English humor or subtlety. The film grew on me as well. Everyone who appeared in it was very much themselves, including Theroux. Remarkable.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i want to snuggle Louis . He just looks like a good snuggler ..he always had bed head

            • I’d rather fancy a Theroux/John Oliver sammich. Of course, you have to like nervous, witty, English twin porn.

      • George Layton

        It’s almost as if scientology creates a troubled and delusional mind.

    • Louis is very, very good at giving his subjects room to reveal themselves. He doesn’t try to expose people. He allows them to expose themselves. Many of his subjects in his TV programmes come over as eccentric or even deluded – but sympathetic.

      Rathburn did not come over well, because he revealed himself to be arrogant and manipulative.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i loved the scene when he and Louis were in the car and Marty was upset that Louis was not asking him serious questions about the universe and stuff …so he could be imparting real wisdom , as opposed to answering Louis question about how it felt to punch Marc Headley with anything other than …” like hitting a wall “

      • ombrifuge

        I wonder if he specifically targeted Marty to be in the film rather than any of the other high level defectors? Did he know that Marty was different? (I am even wondering if the appearance of the lady in the bikini was staged by Theroux to throw some confusion into Marty’s mind)?

        • The lady in the bikini just happened… and was left in because everything Louis does is a celebration of the absurd.

          Many prominent exes appear in the film – but Rathburn was the only ‘Indie’ who was prepared to demonstrate ‘the tech’ (on the actors who had played part in the recreation of Miscavige’s tantrums).

          Louis certainly researched Rathburn. He knew who he had been (that’s why Louis wanted Rathburn to direct the recreation – because he had from inside knowledge). That was only part of the objective though. Rathburn was also a man who had been at the top of Scientology – and still believed. He was the next best thing to interviewing a Scientologist.

          When picking the actors and directing the action, Rathburn was in charge and in his element. That was revealing of his character.

          In contrast, one of the pivotal moments in the film was when Rathburn demonstrates TRs. He has a tantrum when they just don’t take TR0 seriously when he wanted them to tell the world that they had experienced wonderful ‘wins’.

          When he gets angry with Louis, immediately afterwards, for wanting to know why he won’t do the ‘hip hip hooray’ to Hubbard that’s a distraction from the fact that the ‘tech’ didn’t impress.

          • ombrifuge

            Thats very interesting. I noticed that when he did the first TR exercise he said “if anyone feels they have gained something they may wish to raise their hand”. That fits in exactly with how you just described it.

            I was thinking he didn’t want to be there for the ‘hip hip hooray’ because it would bring back painful memories (or maybe even because he thought they were mocking him in some way), but now I think you are exactly right.

  • Sunny Sands

    I don’t say this to be mean, but Marty’s behavior look like mental illness, which gets progressively worse as a person ages. His deceased mother and brother also apparently suffered with it.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    One of Scientology’s Insane Recruitment Methods might be:
    They lie it’s the real US Navy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp33eqvQErA

  • Ben Franklin

    It can be said the man is DM’s bitch for life because he keeps going back to do his dirty work for him.

  • Jimmy3

    On the bright side, at least that kid is adopted.

    • Snuzey

      So dark…. but I can’t help laughing at that.

    • You will rue that statement, Hate Monger! Oh, that reminds me, I need to pick up some bile and a pound and a half of ire. What’s the market rate for those this morning? If it’s below a buck fifty, I’ll take 2 liters of bile and, make it two pounds of ire. Now, to find my recipe for Rue roux . . .

  • pkatz

    So much fun trying to sound out some of the non-Hebrew words. In the second line of bold script that runs across the page, read from rght to left, third word:
    MYSKAVITZ.

    [In my imagination: Judge, interrupting: “He’s Jewish?”]

    • Exactly. I remember reading, either here or in Ron Sr.’s book, that their name was Miskawitz (or something close to that) in Poland. It was anglicized.

      • pkatz

        Right. There’s no “idge” sound in Hebrew. There is a hard G, and I would have laughed if it had been put down as MYSKAVIG, too.The closest the transcriptionist could come was the letter sounding like “tz”, like in Fitzgerald.

  • Snuzey

    This is giving me a headache.

    Every time I try and twist my brain into understanding the why’s of this, it stops making sense all over again. I’m beginning to think there is no sense to this apart from the whims of a rival narcissist to Miscavige who has literally thought himself into a place that has no benefit to anyone, except himself.

  • grin-meat

    LAmberger should be asking himself what else Mr. Marty (aka covert
    agent) knows which can be thrown at him in his suit vs the co$ no
    doubt they will use every devious method to neutralize him in the court
    – marty&co$ bffs

  • villagedianne

    I guess the most charitable explanation is that COS and Miscavige got to Marty. By intimidation, blackmail, or possibly exploiting an emotional instability.

  • Jimmy3

    Maybe he’s got Brooks Syndrome. It’s when you’ve been in prison so long that you come to rely on the structure and the environment of enclosure.

    …I don’t like it here. I’m tired of nobody being afraid of me all the time! I’ve decided not to stay. I doubt they’ll enturbulate much theta. Not for an old henchmen like me.

    • flyonthewall

      instead of a bird, Marty keeps a small BT in his pocket that he feeds

      • Dagnabbit, Fly! Jimmy was being all serious and keenly insightful, and now you’ve ruined it with snark! It’s like when a super rare bird is at the feeder. Just freeze in place and be grateful for your luck at being able to marvel at it before it starts and flies off.

        In all seriousness, a brilliant observation, J3.

        • Jimmy3

          Yeah get the hell away from my feeder, fly.

          • flyonthewall

            so that wasn’t a play on Shawshank Redemption? Don’t lie

            • Jimmy3

              Of course it was. But Artoo is right. I need to focus on my Big Year and wait for some birds to come.

        • flyonthewall

          you give him too much credit. That was your first…and last mistake.

          • (Gulps. Runs finger under collar. Looks for exit.)

        • “Just the place for a Snark!” the Bellman cried,

  • sundaygirl

    Marty said it himself in My Scientology Movie – he’s unemployable because of his history with Scientology. He was the #1 badass when inside, but nobody cares about him outside of the cult parameters. No one will kiss his ass and put up with his erratic behavior. Scientology is all he knows and all he’s good at. I guess it just took him a few years to figure that out. At first squabbling with Miscavige gave him a sort of idolic following and some sense of his former “badass” glory. When that started wearing down, he turned tail and headed back to the one place that fed his need for power and glory. I give him a few more years before he flips again, just to keep the high of feeling important.

    • madame duran

      There will be no flipping (oh HE might try it but nobody will buy it…at least no-one with common sense and knowledge of the past).

      • sundaygirl

        I think there will be some who forgive him, unfortunately. Of course, the majority won’t get fooled again. There are just some people who don’t deserve to play the victim and he is one of them, so he won’t be getting my sympathy ever again.

  • Quick empathy

    Grrr. This is totally conjuncture on my part: what if DM found or fabricated evidence that would put Marty in prison, or at least under some very difficult scrutiny? I know, I know…..It would look bad on scientology too but holding something like that over someone’s head is very powerful. Marty was second in command and a easy fall guy for scientology. Marty, what are your “crimes”, as scientology would state to others. He did bad things to people when he was in scientology. Eventually those things can come back to bite you in the ass. Karma is a bitch. AGAIN IMO. I do feel sorry for him and his family. He never was able to face what he did to others and coming to terms was never something he could do. We will probably never know why he turned back but I think it was something far more serious and valuable than money. So sad.

    • Chee Chalker

      Yes Marty has said publically he is not the type of person to be in prison (referencing the Hole)
      That and his family are his ‘ruin’ one might say

      • Noesis

        Just out of curiosity…what sort of person is the type to be in prison?

        Lol.

        Marty fits the pattern of many senior “ex’s”…they were fine with the nastiest stuff that Scientology could hand out…right up until that nastiness was directed at them personally…at which point they became “human rights advocates.”

        Well, sort of at least.

    • Possible, but it would be hard to land something like that on Marty without dragging CoS and Miscavige into it.

  • Chee Chalker

    If I were an evil cult leader and I had a nemesis who was suing me and that nemesis was winning and I
    could wind up being deposed and exposed, what would I do? (WWECLD? What Would Evil Cult Leader Do?)
    Let’s think about this….put your conspiracy hats on…..what changed between the time the case started and the time it was withdrawn? A child was adopted.
    What makes a person vulnerable? Their love for other people, particularly family members.
    If I were an evil cult leader (I’m not- full disclosure) I might think ‘how can I exploit that situation?’
    Could I find the birth parents and bribe them ( and offer to pay legal fees of course) contesting the adoption? Could I threaten to somehow break up that family?
    That’s what I would do.
    Nothing buys silence like threatening to break up a family and Dave is already an expert in that

    Or it could be a simple cash grab
    Or a desire to be that big fish in that small pond once again

    Morty Morty Morty…..we hardly knew ye

    • Or Marty or Monique have a dark secret that if exposed would doom the adoption, etc.

      Perhaps the kid is an OSA plant? They’re sneaky that way.

      • gtsix

        Nah, Mosey works for OSA. The kid is our plant. ASC can play a long con too.

      • Chee Chalker

        I always thought that is why Nicole Kidman kept quiet. Something wasn’t right with those adoptions.
        Either they were SO babies whose parents were forced to hand over to celebrities or something along those lines
        And if she went along with it, of course she is going to keep schtum (is that how that is spelled?
        She never took Tom to court to complain the kids were being brainwashed or anything
        I remember seeing an interview with her where she said ‘they want to live in LA….what can I do?’ Lots. There is a lot you can do
        It just never made sense to me

    • Frodis73

      I love when you call him Morty btw. Also, I just remembered the Sad Marty blog somebody created.

      • Chee Chalker

        OMG! Where is that blog!?

        • Frodis73

          http://sadmarty.wordpress.com/
          It is too funny. Oracle said it was evil and was an example of us fair gaming him.

          • Chee Chalker

            Thank you thank you!!!!
            Oh Oracle

            Sweet sweet Oracle (smh)

          • Chee Chalker

            There are some gems on there!
            Mar-fac
            The list of words for me (Marty) to word clear
            Some very clever writing
            Thanks again for that link!

  • jane456

    “serial, repeated representations” is redundant. The whole response is nonsensical. Why bother responding if you don’t intend to answer any questions. That is not a smart move, whatever he may have done or is doing. It is something little Davey would do because he can’t control himself.

    But hey, smarty pants. You just sold me a ticket to the movie, I hope it is playing close to me.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Obviously I can’t name my secret tipster, since he is a celebrity known for playing music to other people and has a penchant for playing fisticuffs with mule-like animals, but he told me that Martyr Athbun dropped the law-suit so he could get his Marty-MarkVIII e-meter updated.

    This is (probably not) true.

    • Ann B Watson

      😘😻😍💛 Trying to picture myself sitting looking at a Marty Mark VIII emeter update. Can anyone say Short Circuit! XO

      • “Short Circuit” will be Miscavige’s prison name . . .

        • Ann B Watson

          Perfectly Perfect, XO.💛

        • chukicita

          Coffee. Everywhere.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Ha ha ha.

  • Mrs. V.

    “Middle path” pffft…it’s not a middle path when you voluntarily sell out someone you called a friend.

  • Quick empathy

    NOW we know why Marty didn’t get an Oscar award from scientology!

    • Yeah, but If Theroux’s movie is nominated for documentary, long form next year and wins, Miscavige will claim he won it for Theroux. SeaOgres will have to make him a 1/18th scale Oscar for his titanium desk.

      • ze moo

        Where’s that Lron buttplug?

        • There’s a smart retort to that question that my BFF in high school always used, and while almost irresistible, I’ll take the high road and not reply with it.

  • Chris Mann

    Here’s some data I have. Apparently the Church uses hacking and all kinds of covert spying, probably through private investigators. When I was posting anonymously on Martys blog they figured out who I was somehow even though I intentionally withheld any possible identifying information. At one point in 2010 somehow they got Marty’s email contacts. Former Scientologists were communicating with him using email, usually hushmail or other similar accounts. Many of us reported receiving weird black PR emails to those addresses and we figured that Marty had been hacked. I saved these emails. Most were similar in content to the black PR sites the Church puts up on critics. Spreading rumors and disinformation, stuff from PC folders, Confessionals/Sec Checks, etc. I assume if they had access to his email contacts they had access to his emails. The Church was also making comments on various blogs, mostly their own Black PR blogs I mentioned above using the names of known independent or ex Scientologists including mine. There was one post (not in my name) where they said they had attended the Independents Day celebration and that Marty had left his laptop on the table and they were able to read his emails. I assumed this comment was a cover for the hacking. I guess my point would be that there is/was a lot going on behind the scenes that you don’t know about, so when you make presumptions on rumors and limited data they are probably not going to be accurate.

    • gtsix

      So you are saying a lawyer in Tel Aviv LIED and introduced data stolen from Mark C. Rathbun?

    • Ann B Watson

      Thank you Chris. Most enlightening all around. Thank you.😎💛

    • chukicita

      Chris, where (what site) were these black PR emails “reported?” You mention a post about the Independents Day celebration – what site was this posted to?

    • Ben Franklin

      In this case it is the lawyer in a courtroom suggesting that he got the contents of the email directly from Marty himself. I don’t know any sane lawyer who would present hacked email as evidence in a court room. What you are suggesting does not make a lot of sense in this context.

      • He could safely say that the email came from Marty, but that just means that the From had Marty’s name and email address, trivial to forge. Or it might be from someone with access to the account. (Analysis of the full headers would be nice.)

        Asking the lawyer if he actually spoke to Marty might be interesting, but don’t ask a question in court if you don’t already know the answer.

        • Ben Franklin

          Anything is possible, but, it would be a very risky thing for any lawyer to do because at the very least it would be a violation of ethics. It takes a very crooked lawyer to take such a risk. Not many lawyers would be willing to introduce illegally obtained evidence in a courtroom if they are fully aware that it was illegally obtained.

          • Noesis

            Lol.

            I’d suggest that 99.9% of all “evidence” submitted in a FISA courtroom was “illegally” obtained…at least illegal according to the laws in the (non-U.S.) country in which it was purloined.

            And of note, in a FISA courtroom there are no opposing attorneys allowed…just the government attorneys getting a rubber stamp of approval to commit “legal” theft.

            • Ben Franklin

              There is a difference between being legal and being right or being moral. The FISA court itself is a legal body because it is authorized by law. The intelligence officials who present the case in FISA courts are also people who are legally authorized by law. When you get into the intelligence arena, things like wiretapping, eavesdropping, surveillance, are all legal depending on the law under which the operation is being undertaken and who is being targeted.

            • Noesis

              Lol.

              Spend some time studying the actually history of the intersection between intelligence and politics, both in the U.S. and outside, and you’ll probably arrive at a fairly frightened state of concern.

              Because it was written 35 years before 99% of today’s political actors had any stake in the game and is therefore neutral on current events, you might start with “The Puzzle Palace” by James Bamford.

              What most people think of as “new” with regards to mass surveillance has been going on for many, many decades.

              And do remember that is was the (then) number two guy at the FBI (Mark Felt) that ultimately was revealed as “Deep Throat” who was among the central actors leaking confidential surveillance information that ultimately brought down Richard Nixon.

              Much of what we are seeing in the press today about “leaked emails,” “Russia,” and “wiretapping” is the outcome of warring factions in the intelligence “community” (lol) providing dirt on opponents to their allies in the media / politics and let’s just say…there are no innocent actors involved.

          • Oh, I doubt it was illegally obtained.

            I bet that as part of the surrender to CoS, they sent a team in for a Dennis Erlich style raid to turn their place upside down and grab copies of everything, while they were forced to sit and watch.

            Maximum humiliation to literally drive the point home.

            • Ben Franklin

              Nah, in this case I just think Marty gave it to them so that they can stop sending the squirrel busters his way. After all Marty’s relationship with some of the indies and some critics was already starting to sour anyway. In his mind that was probably the least he could do to get Miscavige off of his back. Miscavige is the type of guy that when he gets his enemies backed up in a corner, his enemy has to do something humiliating before he can squash the beef.

              One of the most ridiculous things I ever read about Miscavige, was that when Bob Minton finally gave in, Miscavige was demanding that Minton pay him half a million dollars for pain and suffering, until Miscavige’s own people told him he cannot legally do that kind of thing

            • In any case, CoS certainly had the email before “Marty” sent it to the lawyer.

            • Ben Franklin

              Maybe, I have no idea, but, it would be shocking to me if this lawyer brought up the contents of the email in a courtroom without Marty’s knowledge. Imagine if Marty were to come out and say that he never received such email and had never talked to this lawyer, then what? There is also a chance that opposing lawyer or even the judge would want to verify the authenticity of the evidence by speaking to Marty. It would take a lawyer with very very big balls and a career death wish to introduce evidence in court that was obtained through a crime.

            • I sure that any lawyer who works for OSA is good at only knowing what they’re supposed to know.

              As far as the lawyer knew, the email was from Marty, and he’d be careful not to double-check.

              Judge wants to talk to Marty? He’s not here right now.

            • Mrs. V.

              I’m reminded of when the Headleys lost their case and were ordered to pay scientology’s legal fees. The church sent them a letter saying they’d forgive the amount if the Headleys agreed to spy on the other apostates they were in contact with.

    • George Layton

      Is an assumption similar to a presumption?

    • Noesis

      “When I was posting anonymously on Martys blog they figured out who I was somehow even though I intentionally withheld any possible identifying information. At one point in 2010 somehow they got Marty’s email contacts.”

      Marty’s original blog was hacked (at least according to him) IIRC sometime around the time you mention (late December 2009) and he started a new one shortly thereafter.

      Not sure if this has anything to do with your post, but just added as additional information.

      EDIT to add: The email referenced in Tony’s article today was sent in 2013, well after Marty reported his original blog being hacked in late 2009…thus at least for the purposes of discussing the events being reported in Tony’s post, those two events are probably not connected.

      That Scientology engages in hacking (generally) is beyond question…the evidence of such is well documented.

    • flyonthewall

      pardon my language but that seems like a load of cockadoodee to me

      • Noesis

        Your language does offend me and I’m going to organize a march and riot in protest. That will square things up.

        • flyonthewall

          bullpuckey!

          • Noesis

            Keep it up and I’ll wear a funny hat too while rioting.

            • Observer

              I demand pics.

      • Baby

        OMG..

        When I was a bartender the same old slutty barhag would show up.. someone would buy her drinks and take her home..

        We used to say.. ” Cockadoodle Do… any Cock will do… ”

        You triggered that funny memory because the bartenders and waitresses had this running joke about her.. and then someone would shout.. ” COCKADOODLE DO.. ” AND we would all break out in laughter..

        ( Maybe you had to be there..hahahhaa) I told that to Mac just now and he said..” Well that is vulgar..” Jeeze..

        • gtsix

          I’m giggling.

          • Baby

            It didn’t take much to entertain us back then..

            I used to say.. ” Poor girl just went out for a little affection and came home with a big infection instead..” Good Lord.

            • EDN/laineybin

              It doesn’t take that much to entertain me now – you just made me laugh.

        • flyonthewall

          Ha! That is highly amusing. Thank you for sharing this humorous anecdote

    • Mick Roberts

      Thanks for the information Chris. It’s nice to have different possibilities to discuss. But my question would be, if that’s the case, then why doesn’t Marty just come out and say something to that effect? Unless he’s under some kind of new confidentiality clause or party to a lawsuit, he’s never seemed to have trouble in the past exposing the tactics of his former church (I.e., the squirrel busters/airport videos he put out there). Why not at least give us a plausible explanation as to how this email ended up in the hands of a church attorney?

      • Frodis73

        Bingo! If I was innocent, I would do everything I could to try and prove or convince people. The fact that he did not reply to Tony speaks volumes to me.

        • Frodis73

          Which is why it was so smart of Tony to ask the question first and then follow up with the proof by the way.

      • gtsix

        But that’s not Marty’s game. He doesn’t come out and say anything directly ever. He likes a fake mystery sandwich. And he doesn’t care what people think.

        Explain himself to some wogs? Are you out of your mind?

    • Chee Chalker

      I agree it’s always important to consider all possibilities. I have zero knowledge of the Israeli legal system, but I would be suprised that they would allow ‘evidence’ that was (effectively) stolen

  • Michelle Klein-Hass

    Depressing as hell. What a treasonous douchebag.

  • Mick Roberts

    Another question. Sorry if this has been discussed further below (I’m in and out of the Bunker today). But I can only assume, at this time, based on the logic I’ve heard in the comments and the fact that Marty didn’t respond to Tony after he was sent the court transcript, that Marty did, in fact, provide this email to the church for whatever reason. My question is….using the “priest-penitent privilege” argument, can a religious counselor (such as Marty was here to Dani I believe) be sued by one of their “parishioners” for violating this code? That could possibly apply to both Marty in this case and CoS for publicly revealing this presumed “confidential” information in this case and in many other instances (such as their attack sites).

    • A ‘confessional’, by definition, is an exchange between two people in private – one person’s word against another. You could take an allegation to court, but what evidence would you have?

      • Mick Roberts

        The evidence would be information they shared on their hate sites from a former Scientologist’s auditing files. Not sure how that’s one person’s word against another, unless the church claims “oh no, they just said that outside of an official auditing/confessional session”. I do however, believe that Yingling has already stated that they use that information (to “defend themselves”) in the recent 20/20 interview with Leah.

        • And a court could not look into the auditing files because they are a protected religious communication. Full circle.

          • Mick Roberts

            I think I heard yesterday that DeCrescenzo was able to subpoena her own files? It’s all a moot point if it’s NOT illegal for a church to share this information (that a parishioner assumed was confidential) publicly. I’m just curious whether parishioners are protected from having this confidential information revealed from a member of their clergy. Just in general. I know the church can argue that they do NOT need to reveal it in court, but if they use that argument, is it also protected information that would actually PREVENT the church from disclosing it anywhere else?

            • I doubt that situation has ever come up. Being as how confession is a protected religious practice and the doctrine has always considered breaking the seal of the confessional to be a mortal sin that’s a matter for canon courts.

              Suing a ‘church’ in a secular court for leaking privileged information is, as far as know, unprecedented.

            • Mick Roberts

              Thanks Once_Born. Was hoping that could be a possibility, but I suppose not (probably would have only been a misdemeanor anyway).

            • The implications of the first amendment (as mercilessly exploited by the CofS) bend my brain.

              It’s like going back in time to when an English priest could plead ‘benefit of clergy’ and claim the right to be tried by a cannon court instead of a secular one.

    • Ben Franklin

      I believe for the “priest-penitent privilege” doctrine to apply one would have to prove that Marty is a legitimate priest or clergy as recognized by the law, otherwise, that privilege would not apply.

      • Mick Roberts

        He could probably legitimately argue he wasn’t technically a “clergy” person as he wasn’t part of the official church at that time, but it could still (possibly) apply to how the church uses this presumed confidential information from the folders of ex-Scientologists.

        • Ben Franklin

          Yes he could argue that he is “clergy” , but, the argument would have to be a convincing argument in a Court of law based on facts. It is one thing to claim something, it is another thing to prove it in court based on the laws,

  • flyonthewall

    A new front in the ASC blog wars has been opened. Ron help us all

    • Frodis73

      I am eagerly waiting for what The Oracle will reveal to us.

      • flyonthewall

        oh god, I forgot all about her

        • Frodis73

          Kestrel said she would post the definition for a common word and then try and twist it sound profound….or something very close to that. I have to admit that is a very accurate guess at what will happen!

        • Kim O’Brien

          i thought she started her own blog …about this blog

          ugh

          • I’m going to start a blog about her blog about this blog.
            I’m sure there will be enough material to keep me going for years.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i promise to blog all about it

            • I’d say that I would blog about you blogging about it – but we could go on for ever.

          • flyonthewall

            right right, taking screenshots of our comments. I’m guessing it’s working out very well

          • Frodis73

            That is funny, because I really do think she is the one behind that outer banks blog.

  • Quite amusing, but not why you may think:
    “Lawyer’s pants catch fire during arson trial”
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/09/lawyers-pants-catch-fire-during-arson-trial/98948050/

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Marty admits it: he’s a fool.
    Well, I mean Marty Stuart’s guitar solo in Now And Then There’s A Fool Such As I.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zCHseGtJPw

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    There is white smoke coming from a building at Gold Base. A new Pope has been elected – it’s Marshy Rashbum!

  • Jimmy3

    I think I know what’s happening… The *real* Marty Rathbun is eligible for parole this Spring… I can’t say much more, as I’m waiting on my source to confirm some details, but you can probably infer what I mean. The chaos merchants would sell out their inventory with the shitstorm this would be.

    • Noesis

      Is that you Barbara Schwartz?

      • Observer

        You beat me to it. I’m slow these days.

    • You’ve been talking to Babbles, right?

      • Jimmy3

        I won’t divulge my sources.

    • Observer

      Barbara Schwartz? Is that you?

    • flyonthewall

      what kind of inventory do chaos merchants keep anyway?

      • Jimmy3

        Mostly chaos and chaos accessories. Also they have a magazine rack that’s always empty.

      • Depends. It generally ranges from slightly disorganised to absolute pandemonium.

  • Mrs. V.

    I’m interested to hear what the Lembergers have to say…

  • flyonthewall

    Coincidence that Tony drops this post on us on the anniversary of Biggie’s death? I think not.

  • nottrue
    • Mick Roberts

      Was the wife of the highest ranking member of this so-called “church” able to attend this event in honor of Women’s History Month?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Mosey..?

        • Observer

          Zing!

    • Marshall

      And this is in the mecca of Scientology land! That’s sad

      • Frodis73

        It is amazing they believe the lies about expansion. Even if the idea that it is happening everywhere but your own Org were true, Flag would be packed and it is just not.

    • Baby

      Wonder if the Mad Hatter Miscavige showed up?

    • Jack99

      Do they know the narrator of the book is 1:1 on the tone scale, or did they just see the film version?

    • Ben Franklin

      Very huge crowds as Trump would say. I can barely see the grass.

    • madame duran

      No “A Day Without Women” strike action going on here! Seriously…how would Scientology survive if all the women staff just walked off the job or members stopped paying? Food before justice! (new rallying cry)

    • chukicita

      Breakfast at Tiffany’s? Is this really an appropriate Women’s History Month theme OR Scientology? The psychological struggle between the need for stability and the desire for freedom? How friendship can make people take drastic measures to help a friend?

  • redfisch

    A bit confused here. Was Dani Lemberger saying that he made the comment about Miscavige while being audited by Marty by email? I wasn’t aware that auditing could take place other than face-to-face.

    • Frodis73

      No, Dani did travel to TX at one time and visit Marty. I assumed they were discussing that after the fact. Marty also probably did do some form of counseling via email, etc. to some people too though.

    • Tony Ortega

      I believe he was telling Marty in the email about something that had come up (the idea about shooting Miscavige) during his auditing with someone else.

      • redfisch

        Thanks, Tony.

      • Frodis73

        Oh, even better!!!

  • flyonthewall

    You’d think dropping the lawsuit and sliming people would be enough for whatever compensation Marty probably received. Actively helping out CoS in a lawsuit involving an SP seems just nasty in that it is totally unnecessary. Doing that goes above and beyond the call of doody even for a rat fink

    • Observer

      And when Scientology calls, it’s doody.

      • flyonthewall

        floor to ceiling and wall to wall, stanky dog doody

  • Mick Roberts

    According to this article, there does seem to be precedent for “clergy malpractice” lawsuits, although it depends upon the jurisdiction. However, courts appear to allow for other claims (such as defamation) to proceed in trial. This was an interesting article to me as a whole, but specifically these sections:

    http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/201002/ejonline_201002_pastor_confid_.cfm

    Some courts, however, are finding there is such a claim and there is a
    special or fiduciary relationship that requires the pastor to exercise
    reasonable care. The more common approach appears to be that the court
    does not recognize a claim for malpractice, but does allow other claims
    to proceed that are independent torts such as assault, defamation,
    misappropriation of funds, fraud, or any other crime or tort that might
    apply.

    Whether your jurisdiction recognizes clergy malpractice is important
    because such conduct may or may not be covered under church insurance.
    Many policies make exclusions for intentional misconduct. In that case,
    the claimant may assert clergy malpractice and plead it as a negligent,
    and not intentional, action.

    • Mick Roberts

      Damnit….@once_born:disqus this was meant to be a reply to you in our conversation below. I tried to copy and paste there after posting this, but was told “You’ve already posted this comment” or something. Damn Disqus.

  • Observer

    I see you, Baby! I miss you. ❤️

    • Frodis73

      So good to hear from her last night.

      • Jimmy3

        I summoned her with magick. Not bragging or anything.

        • Frodis73

          Tis right! I am very proud of you!

          • Jimmy3

            Next I am going to summon a moonchild. But I need some halp.

            • Frodis73

              Sweet. I’ll throw a shower.

            • Baby

              I am a Moonchild.. funny that you should mention that.. Cancer the Crab! And I have been living up to my name..

            • I’ll get my wand.

        • Baby

          Yes you did Jimmy.. I had to check what you guys were sayin behind my back..xo

      • Baby

        Oh you guys are easy.. smooches.. thanks doggie..

    • Baby

      I am here.. enjoying being a little Daffy … chillin with my buddies.. xo

      • flyonthewall
        • Baby

          That just put a big smile on my face.. Thanks Fly..

      • Kim O’Brien

        miss you !!

        • Baby

          Oh my sweet little ” F*ck you buddy.. ” Miss you too..

          • Kestrel

            Miss you, too!

      • chukicita

        Bay-beeeee!

  • AngryNotSoOldHippy .

    If Rathbun is indeed a paid employee of the Scientology corporation once again, taking money to close his wife’s lawsuit against the enterprise for their supposed human rights and civil rights abuses would be another blackmail point of fact that the enterprise could use again him inasmuch as if his attorneys seem to be entitled to Rathbun’s wife’s settlement (and possibly Rathbun’s supposed continued paid employment fees,) the attorneys would likely sue the guy.

    There’s something seemingly very wrong with Rathbun flying to the aid of the syndicate once again, it sounds like. Shame we can’t get a mental health professional to strap the guy to a gurney, medicate him, and gently, soothingly ask him some questions about his mother.

  • Qbird

    Well, ain’t that a fine kick in the head?!

    The Aditor’s Code: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d2fb21c2ed87488e65cb86167049f7ab7469e56039102734718688603589ff5.png

    Get people to trust you, audit them, listen to them, say you can help them

    and then fuck ‘em in the a…

    Yeah, Thanks Ron, you made a terrific bunch of players to continue playing your sick game.
    Got nuts?
    https://media.giphy.com/media/l4KhSrgvvJxgIJjDG/giphy.gif

    • Baby

      F*ck them in the Danny Masterson!

      ( I must be feeling better… )

      • lori banister

        Good to see you! And, ha!

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Me too, after taking a Danny and wiping my Masterson 😉

    • It’s wonderful how all of the articles of Scientology’s ‘codes’ have exceptions if you read them carefully. Even ‘don’t do murder’ leaves the loophole that it’s sometime OK to kill ways in ways that aren’t strictly speaking legal murder.if you read them https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/the-codes-of-scientology-pt-2-the-auditors-code/

    • flyonthewall

      hey I want to “thank” you for recommending An Open Secret to me. *shakes head no*

      I can’t see children on tv or movies without getting a little sick now. Bryan Singer!? So sick

    • Kestrel

      From what I understand, auditing sessions can be watched and/or reviewed by others – like the auditor’s supervisor, so technically, the auditor didn’t. But someone above them did. And I doubt there’s any “Code” against that.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Louis Theroux participating in spiritual practices (turn down the volume) (he doesn’t just shout at ashtrays):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAgqatqFz9g
    Louis Theroux ‘5 minutes’ interview. “You’re too dumb.”
    https://youtu.be/2HCwgAm6Kfc?t=93

  • Frodis73

    I so want Marty to comment on this…with words long discarded by regular people too.

    • Ben Franklin

      I never heard of the term “Rimless Zero” until the Scientology warrior began to breath fire on the “Anti-Scientology Cult”

    • Alice Graves

      It’s not just the archaic words but how he strings them together….makes my brain explode.

  • nottrue
    • gtsix

      Oh hell yeah, I wanna be a GODDNESS!

      • Graham

        Goddness gracious me!

    • madame duran

      Friggin’ “god” that can’t spell or even do a spellcheck. Moron.

    • flyonthewall

      so it’s like a cross between God of War and America’s Next Top Model? Cool

    • Ann B Watson

      I am new to all the web games so thank you for showing me the kuba ka empire one. Spooky. ❤️

    • Harpoona Frittata

      My goodness, a real “Goddness”? Where do I send my money? I want to be one NOW!

    • Juicer77

      Complete with spelling errors!!

  • Khalil

    The rathbuns are both scientologists. I can confirm that.

    • Jimmy3

      Go on…

    • Ben Franklin

      That is very good to know because I have spending so many sleepless night lately just wondering about that.

    • And we should believe you because…?

      • Jimmy3

        Maybe he’s Khalil-Khan. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.

        • Ben Franklin

          I don’t give benefit of the doubt even to my own shadow.

          • Jimmy3

            You know there’s medication for that, right?

            • Ben Franklin

              There is no medication for not trusting anything. It is sane and human to be skeptical of everything.

      • Mick Roberts

        Maybe this comment from Khalil 8 months ago to a German article:

        “Scientology is a good religion. I have been a scientologist since ten years now and everything is fine.”

        Or perhaps this comment one day ago on the Haggis article here:

        “I’am not a scientologist but I defend their right to believe what they want.”
        ….or…..
        “Believe me I’m not a scientologist, but I think scientology is a modern
        and tolerant religion. I don’t understand why it is attacked in the
        West.”

        • Observer

          Uh-oh…someone hasn’t figured out privacy settings yet.

        • Jimmy3

          Hah

        • GrangerFX

          I am constantly impressed with the regular posters on this blog. Seriously. You are amazing.

        • Frodis73

          Do they even try, like at all??

        • Maybe… maybe not. ..

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Oops, it appears that it’s time for Khalil to launder this discredited handle and begin lamely posing as some other fake person.

          Why is it that $cn trolls are so incredibly incompetent!!? Why even make the effort if you can’t do any better than that? I guess someone ordered him to do it, but without letting him read enough in order to be credible.

          Seems like a worse than useless effort to me, but of course the same could be said of all of $cn, so….

    • Mick Roberts

      Squirrel or IAS? And can you provide evidence?

    • flyonthewall

      you’re that troll, I know you. I know all about you

    • Qbird

      What kind of scientologists, can you say? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Odcyh-MFSrA/UTir1Wk8s0I/AAAAAAAAAGM/X4RpxakUAP0/s1600/funny+squirrel.gif

      Are they Western Indy’s?

    • Mrs. V.

      I believe everything you have to say. No need to back up your statement with facts.

    • Jack99
    • Harpoona Frittata

      Great, glad that’s settled! Now, if you wouldn’t mind telling us exactly how you know this to be true, then we can all just rest assured that we’ve finally gotten to the bottom of what has been a huge mystery for quite awhile now. I’m absolutely sure that you won’t just disappear on us now that we’re so close to learning the real truth 😉

  • Joe

    I never liked or respected Marty.

    His battle with DM was always a personal one. He could care less about the pain inflicted on others (either by him or DM after he left). If his personal issues with DM have been resolved or some sort of armistice has been reached, then why wouldn’t he go back to being his lackey?

  • Mrs. V.

    You know what just baffles me? Well, I’ll tell ya. Marty gives this email to scientology. Then scientology submits it as evidence in their defense to the Lembergers’ law suit, and admits that they received it from Marty. Then Tony says “What’s up with that, Marty”. And Marty claims there’s nothing to see here.

    He must have known the church would use the email. He must have known it would come out. He must have known he’d be asked about it, if not by Tony, then definitely someone else. I mean, does he seriously believe he’s fooling anyone?

    • Joe

      His narcissism prevents him from seeing even on his best day he’s not as clever as Tony or Ray Jeffrey.

      • Mrs. V.

        That’s probably true, but I can’t wrap my head around it. He did it. He knows he did it. We all know he did it. But he’s trying to say he didn’t do it.

        • Observer

          The Scientology mindset in a nutshell.

        • Joe

          That’s the deteriorating effect Scientology has on a person’s mind. They do something and then say they don’t as if their MEST-y powers somehow override reality when to everyone but them, it’s obvious.

    • Ben Franklin

      Remember this was a lawsuit in Israel, he probably thought it would be difficult for people in America to know what went down in a courtroom in a foreign country. If Tony did not follow the case closely, we may have never known, probably for a very long time.

      • Mick Roberts

        Then Marty has obviously underestimated the “OT XIX-like” powers of our proprietor here…….

      • Mrs. V.

        I see your point, but this is Tony we’re talking about. He’s been in touch with the Lembergers for years, and he has reported on their law suit before. He posted photos of his visit with them not too long ago.

        I mean, I guess Marty could hope it would never get out, but even if it wasn’t Tony, it could have been someone else – I’m sure there are plenty of members at Haifa who aren’t happy that Marty is assisting the church in their lawsuit and they may be in touch with other Indies. It’s a pretty small community and I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that word travels fast.

        • Ben Franklin

          Hard to say, but, maybe he thought the records would be sealed and no one would ever see the transcripts, or maybe he knew the information would come out and he just didn’t care.

          • Mrs. V.

            Both good points.

    • Juicer77

      There was discussion downthread that I find intruiging. If part of the lawsuit drop involved a silence agreement AND that Rathbun would turn over all his materials it may explain it. You can be sure the super-slick Co$ attorneys wrote clauses into the agreement that give them an “out” to use the materials as they see fit. Since the Rathbuns fired their attorneys long before dismissing the case, they probably didn’t have adequate legal counsel on the agreement they signed. Voila! Rathbun thinks he’s silenced Mismange forever, and doesn’t realize he’s just handed over everything and tied his own hands.

      • Kestrel

        To me, this is part of the issue. I believe Marty thinks he is the smartest person in the room – any room. But just like you may be able to outrun a cop, you can’t outrun the police department. He’s working alone and his presumed adversary has an army of competent professionals to draw from.

  • sizzle8

    I guess Dani could file a civil suit against Marty for violating confidentiality.
    The Marty Rathbun pimple could be squeezed for more pus.

    • flyonthewall

      i have been hungry but too lazy to get up and make something. Thnx for fixing that problem for me

  • GrangerFX

    How is Marty doing financially? Is his home well kept? Is the landscaping taken care of? Does he drive a nice car? Does he have visible means of support? The answers to those questions will be a strong indication of what is going on behind the scenes. It is easy to assume that money is the motivation for his about face but there could be other reasons. Blackmail comes to mind. With all the awful things the cult has done during Marty’s time and the constant auditing all recorded for the cult to use against its enemies, is it possible that there could be another reason why Marty changed his tune so suddenly? All of DM’s actions over the years appear to be about controlling people who have enough information to hurt him. Isn’t that the reason why Shelly is locked away on the top of a mountain?

    • flyonthewall

      Leverage. All about the leverage

      • GrangerFX

        It could be both financial and blackmail. One does not preclude the other.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Excellent points! While Mutty and the cult’s current Dark Lord may have had M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destruction) dox on each other at one point in the distant past, it’s very likely that with billions at his disposal, and hundreds of slaves willing to testify to whatever they’re told, that lil davey the despicable now has both the leverage and the resources to see Mutty destroyed, but without much risk to himself.

    • Roger Hornaday

      Any explanation that doesn’t include blackmail doesn’t fly.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I believe any sentence that has the words ‘blackmail’ and ‘fly’ in them – it just has to be true.

        • flyonthewall

          leverage

  • Roger Hornaday

    I am, thank you, feeling justifiably smug today. Indeed the Rathbuns have made a secret deal with the church, for that is the only explanation that makes sense of the known facts.

  • itsIBBy

    This is all a bit over my head, so I’m just here to keep the popcorn supplied

  • Jennhatesyou

    I mean, even for money or to “save face”, there is no way Marty can make it out of this with any dignity, not that he had any to begin with. If, for instance, he claims everything he said before was a lie and the cult is actually a good entity, could he be sued for continuously lying not only to media and press but under oath as well? How can someone make all these claims and then about-face?
    Maybe I don’t understand all of this, I don’t know.

    • Ben Franklin

      It is not unusual for a former Scientologists to make a 180 degrees turn around after being very critical of the church. There are several examples of former Scientologists who ended up denouncing every criticism they ever made about the Church of Scientology by signing an affidavit.

    • Juicer77

      You can’t criminally prosecute someone for what they believed (and when). Lying in court or in deposition would be another matter entirely. It’s important to remember that Rathbun is has a mercurial temperament (to put it mildly) and likes to take strong positions as a “warrior.” Doesn’t matter what the position is, he’s a “warrior.” IMHO he’s trying to make his own path outside the Co$ and the critic community, and bungling it all along the way. Because he’s so special. And unique. And knows more than everyone else. But I don’t know the man so I can only judge by his actions and words in the public forum. His words don’t help much. More confusing than anything, at least to me.

  • Observer

    My opinion is that Qarty is doing this of his own free will. He’s a nobody like the rest of us out here despite his appearances in two films, and, longing for his inglory days, and since Captain Miscavige stubbornly refuses to learn the lesson that Sarty was attempting to teach, he has given up and is trying to grovel his way back in.

    • Jimmy3

      That’s even sadder than the sell-out theory.

      • Observer

        Undone by his colossal ego. I find being a nobody rather pleasant. Pity he didn’t give it a chance.

        • flyonthewall

          basically you’re saying you pity the fool who doesn’t give anonymity a chance?

        • You’re somebody if you can be somebody without everyone having to know that you’re somebody.

          Does that make sense..?

          • Kestrel

            Not to Martyr Athbun (H/T to Johnnie Tank).

          • I should add that if you spend all your time trying to persuade everyone that you’re a somebody you don’t have time to learn to be somebody and end up a real nobody.

            Or maybe I shouldn’t…

    • John Prince

      For whatever reason, i’m happy to hear about ANY Lawsuit in ANY Court against the cherch of scamology 😆but it’s especially gratifying to see marty rathole get his pants pulled down! Hooray to Tony for staying on top of the Story 👏👏👏👏👏✊✊✊✊

  • Jack99

    I’m bored now. Here’s why Nicole Kidman clapped like a seal at the Oscar.
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/09/nicole-kidman-oscars-seal-clapping-diamond-rings

    • Qbird

      And so, the explanation is: diamonds are easily damaged by human hands. got it. thx

      • gtsix

        No, but you can easily damage a gem by hitting it against another ring.

        • Qbird

          sadly, I wouldn’t know this, gtsix.
          Rings inhibit the ability of my hands to work, as do long nails.
          See, I can move objects with my mind
          when i use my hands.
          I am natural born OT.

  • nateht

    Scientology messes with people’s minds. Many survived it like us, some fell into the darkness, and some killed themselves. Since leaving the cult Marty has been falling and tumbling.
    I know this sounds crazy but a year ago, or so, Marty, using an alias, replied to me on this blog. I was saying I don’t care anymore to read about him. A reply comes back, “Marty cares about you.” Well I was kinda freaked that a former OSA exec is taking an interest in me. But my real takeaway, having followed his adventures for a few years, is that he’s one messed up dude. Whether it was him or someone here joking me, I still think Marty is in a bad place, mentally.

  • davegrille

    When Marty Rathbun worked for the church he was not hired on as a choir boy.

    • Ben Franklin

      come on, he was an angel

    • Qbird

      wrong area of reply.

      • I took that to mean that they knew a potential no-questions-asked enforcer when they saw one.

        • Qbird

          nope. I just put the reply in the wrong spot. my bad.
          Regards this post… davegrille is correct.
          Marty has done some bad bad dings. That’s how he made it all the way up the bridge to Inspector General. Miscavige’s right hand fist.

  • New Gal

    So…while I enjoy reading the comments, I have never contributed myself. I felt like this is my time…it is that he has been sucked back in. I do believe he was truly out of the cult for a number of years. The evidence is in his earlier posts. He is a good and articulate writer. All of his earlier postings have been clear, concise and backed up with actual fact as well as corroborated by others who escaped! With his newfound “love” for everything DM, he has reverted back to just insults, name calling and threats. All with NONE of the evidence to back up his claims!

    • Qbird

      You’ve been reading Marty’s blog for a long while, New Gal?

    • Ben Franklin

      If he was back in, his blog would be gone and in it’s place you would only find theta things. Nothing critical about the Church or David Miscavige would be posted on Marty’s blog.

      Rathbun’s website is still a landmine for any Scientologist in good standing, that is why I am confident to say that Marty is no way back in the church. He may be helping them try to destroy church critics but I don’t believe that he is one of them at this time

  • nottrue
  • Lousy Ratatouille