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PODCAST: Karen de la Carriere says former president of Scientology is in a nursing home

[Karen de la Carriere and her former husband, Heber Jentzsch]

Karen de la Carriere has been a regular feature of the Underground Bunker going back to our days at the Village Voice.

Her career in Scientology was extraordinary, and so is her track record as a whistleblower.

We’re so pleased that she’s agreed to talk with us for the podcast, and she surprised us with a number of things we hadn’t heard before.

We hope you enjoy our latest offering.

Today’s podcast episode is for everyone. Tomorrow at noon we’ll be sending our second episode of Group Therapy just for subscribers. It’s a wild one.



Technology Cocktail

“Axiom 51 says that MEST cannot change MEST, and we find that postulates and live communication do change MEST. MEST cannot change MEST, therefore a pair of forceps cannot basically change a tooth condition. This is sweeping and I want you to realize how sweeping it actually is. A medical doctor would not be able to alter completely a broken leg. You may say, ‘That’s silly, of course he could. He could come in and snap the bone back into place and the fellow would feel a lot better.’ No, I’m sorry, a medical doctor cannot over a period of time change a broken leg. Do you know what will happen? Let’s look at it from the standpoint of life, now, and we find out that the individual got attention for his broken leg, didn’t he? It will emerge as rheumatism some day. In the next life it will emerge as two broken legs!” — L. Ron Hubbard, 1954


Jon Atack: Tales from the Underground Bunker




We first broke the news of the LAPD’s investigation of Scientology celebrity Danny Masterson on rape allegations in 2017, and we’ve been covering the story every step of the way since then. At this page we’ve collected our most important links as Danny faces a potential sentence of 45 years to life in prison. NOW WITH TRIAL INDEX.



THE PODCAST: How many have you heard?

— The Underground Bunker Podcast

[1] Marc Headley [2] Claire Headley [3] Jeffrey Augustine [4] Bruce Hines [5] Sunny Pereira [6] Pete Griffiths [7] Geoff Levin [8] Patty Moher [9] Marc Headley [10] Jefferson Hawkins [11] Michelle ‘Emma’ Ryan [12] Paulette Cooper [13] Jesse Prince [14] Mark Bunker [15] Jon Atack [16] Mirriam Francis [17] Bruce Hines on MSH

— SPECIAL: The best TV show on Scientology you never got to see

[1] Phil Jones [2] Derek Bloch [3] Carol Nyburg [4] Katrina Reyes [5] Jamie DeWolf

— SPECIAL: Your Proprietor’s updates on the Danny Masterson trial

[1] Sep 21 [2] Sep 28 [3] Oct 4 [4] Oct 10 [5] Oct 11: Day One [6] Oct 12: Day Two [7] Oct 13: Day Three [8] Oct 17: Day Four [9] Oct 18: Day Five [10] Oct 19: Day Six [11] Special interview with Chris Shelton, Oct 19 [12] Oct 20: Day Seven [13] Oct 21: Day Eight [14] First week in review, with Jeffrey Augustine [15] Oct 24: Day Nine [16] Oct 25: Day Ten [17] Oct 27: Day Eleven [18] Oct 28: Day Twelve [19] Second week in review, with Jeffrey Augustine [20] Halloween special [21] Nov 2: Day Thirteen [22] Nov 3: Day Fourteen [23] Nov 4: Day Fifteen [24] Third week in review [25] Nov 5, Saturday special [26] Nov 6, Sunday special [27] Nov 7, Day Sixteen [28] Lisa Marie Presley breaking news [29] Nov 8, Day Seventeen [30] Nov 9, Day Eighteen [31] Nov 10, Day Nineteen


Source Code

“There is nothing more simple than for a fellow to duplicate himself any place in the universe because he isn’t any place in the universe because he is every place in the universe. Any one of you immediately, any one of you immediately answers up to the definition that has been given the anthropomorphic itself entitled God. Any one of you, because you’re everywhere on omniscient and omnipresent, and on the bus, and everything.” — L. Ron Hubbard, January 7, 1954



Avast, Ye Mateys

“ETHICS: JOHN and DORA HANNIDES are assigned a Condition of Treason for leaving the SO under false pretenses. They may not be audited or trained until they have fully applied the formula. They may not be communicated with. Their only terminal is an Ethics Officer in a Continental Liaison Office or S.O. ship.” — Flag 3rd Mate for L. Ron Hubbard, Commodore, January 7, 1971


Overheard in the FreeZone

“The Satanic cult of the Elite have many names, they go by Deep State, Illuminati, Globalists, the Cabal, and many others. Their front organizations include the Fed Reserve, UN, CIA, FBI, IRS, CNN, ABC, NBC, BBC, Hollywood, Planned Parenthood (mass murderers), Disney, CONcast… they own and control nearly all of the Main Stream Media including nearly all newspapers and TV. They own all the Central Banks, they own all railroads, all energy companies, most of the great manufacturing, they own and control all the drug cartels. They formerly owned and controlled North Korea, Iran, China… all of the terrorist states, all terrorist organizations. They were responsible for all the school shooter events, all false flag events including 9-11, Last Vegas shooting, the California fires, Pearl Harbor, you name it. They created WWI, WWII. They created Socialism, the NAZIs (a Socialist party), Fascism, Communism. They owned and controlled the Democratic party and until recently also the Republican party. Every US President was one of [them] with the exception of JFK whom they murdered, and Regan whom they tried to murder, and Donald J Trump who is beating them all with the help of Patriots in the US Military. The Cabal owned/controlled almost everything. And literally everything we thought we knew about how the world worked was wrong just like everything some of us once thought we knew about Scientology was wrong. How could anyone bring down the Church of Scientology as long as Big Brother had the CoS under their wing? It was hopeless. The correct target to end CoS corruption was to bring down the Deep State so I shifted my support to that end. Incredible strides have been made.”


Past is Prologue

2000: The doors of the Lisa McPherson Trust opened this week in downtown Clearwater. From the St. Petersburg Times: “An organization that says it wants to reform the Church of Scientology has followed through with its plans to open a headquarters at the epicenter of the Scientology world. The group, led by New England millionaire Robert S. Minton, on Wednesday purchased a small office building at 33 N Fort Harrison Ave., just 30 feet from a major Scientology building downtown. Minton and a five-member staff say they plan to educate local residents — including existing Scientologists — about abuses within the church. Scientology reacted Wednesday with strong words. ‘These guys are nobodies,’ said church official Marty Rathbun. ‘They bring absolutely nothing to this community.’ He compared it to the Ku Klux Klan opening an office in North Greenwood, a Clearwater neighborhood with mostly black residents. He said the notion that a group of outsiders needs to reform Scientology is absurd. Support for the church is higher than ever among its members, Rathbun said. He also said Scientology has worked hard to normalize relations in Clearwater, where city officials have included the church in discussions about downtown redevelopment for the first time since its controversial arrival in Clearwater during the late 1970s. Minton’s group has a different view. He and a staff that includes four former Scientologists say they have been embraced by locals, including some current church members. ‘Everywhere I go I’ve met people in the community saying, ‘Thank God you’re here,’ said Stacy Brooks, a former Scientologist who will help Minton lead the new group. ‘People are starved for information about Scientology: ‘What are they doing? Why do they act so secretive?'”


Random Howdy


“Phew, I’m just getting back after sitting in the alley for 2 hours with the cats after some asshole in the building tried to set some other guy’s door on fire. The firemen said we were very lucky the ornament that the asshole tried to start the fire with went out otherwise we would have all been toast. Isn’t life grand?”


Full Court Press: What we’re watching at the Underground Bunker

Criminal prosecutions:
Danny Masterson charged for raping three women: Mistrial declared November 30. Status conference scheduled January 10, retrial scheduled March 27.
‘Lafayette Ronald Hubbard’ (a/k/a Justin Craig), aggravated assault, plus drug charges: Grand jury indictments include charges from an assault while in custody. Plea deadline scheduled for December 16.
Jay and Jeff Spina, Medicare fraud: Jay sentenced to 9 years in prison. Jeff scheduled to time served with three years supervised release, restitution of $9.7 million.
Rizza Islam, Medi-Cal fraud: Trial scheduled for March 1 in Los Angeles
David Gentile, GPB Capital, fraud: Next pretrial hearing December 9.
Yanti Mike Greene, Scientology private eye accused of contempt of court: Found guilty of criminal and civil contempt.

Civil litigation:
Baxter, Baxter, and Paris v. Scientology, alleging labor trafficking: Complaint filed April 28 in Tampa federal court, Scientology moving to compel arbitration. Plaintiffs filed amended complaint on August 2. Hearing November 17 to argue the arbitration motions, awaiting ruling.
Valerie Haney v. Scientology: Forced to ‘religious arbitration.’ Selection of arbitrators underway. Next court hearing: February 2, 2023.
Chrissie Bixler et al. v. Scientology and Danny Masterson: Appellate court removes requirement of arbitration on January 19, case remanded back to Superior Court. Stay in place at least through February 7.
Brian Statler Sr v. City of Inglewood: Case settled ahead of scheduled Dec 6 trial.
Author Steve Cannane defamation trial: New trial ordered after appeals court overturned prior ruling.
Chiropractors Steve Peyroux and Brent Detelich, stem cell fraud: Lawsuit filed by the FTC and state of Georgia in August, now in discovery phase.



After the success of their double-Emmy-winning, three-season A&E series ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Leah Remini and Mike Rinder continue the conversation on their podcast, ‘Scientology: Fair Game.’ We’ve created a landing page where you can hear all of the episodes so far.


An episode-by-episode guide to Leah Remini’s three-season, double-Emmy winning series that changed everything for Scientology watching. Originally aired from 2016 to 2019 on the A&E network, and now on Netflix.


Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!

Other links: SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Tom Cruise and dirty tricks. Scientology’s Ideal Orgs, from one end of the planet to the other. Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society. Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in a weekly series. How many have you read?


[ONE year ago] Scientology celebrates the sheer competence of a superpower OT 8, and so will we
[TWO years ago] Eyewitness: David Miscavige presided at New Year’s Eve party at Scientology’s Flag Land Base
[THREE years ago] Henning Heldt, 1945-2020: Scientology’s 1970s spymaster went to prison for L. Ron Hubbard
[FOUR years ago] A Scientologist on trial for double murder: A story the church is very nervous about
[FIVE years ago] When two political longshots spar over Joy Villa and Scientology, everyone wins
[SIX years ago] Phil and Willie Jones launch a new effort for billboard about Scientology disconnection
[SEVEN years ago] AUDIO: Hear Scientology boast about the $5.7 million it got from Google in free ads
[EIGHT years ago] The new Scientology ad running on TV — and maybe for the Super Bowl
[NINE years ago] See Scientology’s new TV ad before it’s released — and more IAS gala video!
[TEN years ago] John Sweeney Talks The Church of Fear, Which Comes Out Today
[ELEVEN years ago] Scientology, Cooked: Commenters of the Week!


Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley (1952-2019) did not see his daughter Stephanie in his final 5,667 days.
Valerie Haney has not seen her mother Lynne in 2,902 days.
Katrina Reyes has not seen her mother Yelena in 3,407 days
Sylvia Wagner DeWall has not seen her brother Randy in 2,957 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his grandson Leo in 1,947 days.
Geoff Levin has not seen his son Collin and daughter Savannah in 1,838 days.
Christie Collbran has not seen her mother Liz King in 5,143 days.
Clarissa Adams has not seen her parents Walter and Irmin Huber in 3,013 days.
Doug Kramer has not seen his parents Linda and Norm in 2,118 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 4,591 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 3,907 days.
Dylan Gill has not seen his father Russell in 12,473 days.
Melissa Paris has not seen her father Jean-Francois in 8,392 days.
Valeska Paris has not seen her brother Raphael in 4,560 days.
Mirriam Francis has not seen her brother Ben in 4,141 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 4,402 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 3,438 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy and daughter Jessica in 3,153 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 2,718 days.
Julian Wain has not seen his brother Joseph or mother Susan in 1,033 days.
Charley Updegrove has not seen his son Toby in 2,208 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 6,759 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 3,890 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 4,228 days.
Roger Weller has not seen his daughter Alyssa in 9,083 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 4,202 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 2,558 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin and daughter Taryn in 6,861 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 2,967 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis in 3,365 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 3,241 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 2,824 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike and daughter Emily in 3,319 days.
Mary Jane Barry has not seen her daughter Samantha in 3,573 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 14,682 days.


Posted by Tony Ortega on January 7, 2023 at 07:00

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Our new book with Paulette Cooper, Battlefield Scientology: Exposing L. Ron Hubbard’s dangerous ‘religion’ is now on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle formats. Our book about Paulette, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2021 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Underground Bunker (2012-2021), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Other links: BLOGGING DIANETICS: Reading Scientology’s founding text cover to cover | UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists | GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice | SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts | Shelly Miscavige, 15 years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Watch our short videos that explain Scientology’s controversies in three minutes or less…

Check your whale level at our dedicated page for status updates, or join us at the Underground Bunker’s Facebook discussion group for more frivolity.

Our non-Scientology stories: Robert Burnham Jr., the man who inscribed the universe | Notorious alt-right inspiration Kevin MacDonald and his theories about Jewish DNA | The selling of the “Phoenix Lights” | Astronomer Harlow Shapley‘s FBI file | Sex, spies, and local TV news | Battling Babe-Hounds: Ross Jeffries v. R. Don Steele


Tony Ortega at The Daily Beast


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