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PODCAST: Auditing Mary Sue Hubbard while Scientology kept her on house arrest

[Mary Sue with her husband, and her 1993 auditor, Bruce Hines]

Yesterday, we posted another great piece by former Scientology auditor and Sea Org member Bruce Hines.

This time he had a bit of a bombshell for us. It turns out that in 1993, he was sent to a house in Los Feliz, California to audit a particularly special person in Scientology’s long history.

And that’s Mary Sue Hubbard, the third and last wife of founder L. Ron Hubbard, who had died some seven years previously.

For the first time, we get some idea what it was like to audit the famous Mary Sue, who went to prison for her husband, and at one time oversaw Scientology’s vast spying network, the Guardian’s Office. What a piece. And we couldn’t wait to ask Bruce even more questions about it.


Today, we’re releasing the seventeenth episode of The Underground Bunker Podcast to our paid subscribers at Substack. You should receive it presently at your email inbox if you’re on the list.

Not a paid subscriber? Well, we have something for you, too. Last week’s episode was with Mirriam Francis, who talked about what it was like to break Scientology’s code of silence about child abuse. In the weeks before, we talked to Jon Atack, Mark Bunker, Jesse Prince, Paulette Cooper, Michelle ‘Emma’ Ryan, Jefferson Hawkins, Marc Headley, Patty Moher, Geoff Levin, Pete Griffiths, Sunny Pereira, Jeffrey Augustine, and Claire Headley.

Those first sixteen episodes are now free to all of our subscribers, paid and unpaid. All of our podcast episodes can be found here.


Technology Cocktail

“As of this writing, the standard intensive processing consists of thirty-six hours of auditing delivered in six consecutive days beginning on Monday and ending on Saturday at the rate of six hours per day. It is usual to deliver this processing wit chemical assist and, except in cases with heavy circuitry, with free wheeling.” — L. Ron Hubbard, 1950



We first broke the news of the LAPD’s investigation of Scientology celebrity Danny Masterson on rape allegations in 2017, and we’ve been covering the story every step of the way since then. At this page we’ve collected our most important links as trial begins and Danny faces a potential sentence of 45 years to life in prison.



THE PODCAST: How many have you heard?

— The Underground Bunker Podcast

[1] Marc Headley [2] Claire Headley [3] Jeffrey Augustine [4] Bruce Hines [5] Sunny Pereira [6] Pete Griffiths [7] Geoff Levin [8] Patty Moher [9] Marc Headley [10] Jefferson Hawkins [11] Michelle ‘Emma’ Ryan [12] Paulette Cooper [13] Jesse Prince [14] Mark Bunker [15] Jon Atack [16] Mirriam Francis

— SPECIAL: The best TV show on Scientology you never got to see

[1] Phil Jones [2] Derek Bloch [3] Carol Nyburg [4] Katrina Reyes [5] Jamie DeWolf

— SPECIAL: Your Proprietor’s updates on the Danny Masterson trial

[1] Sep 21 [2] Sep 28 [3] Oct 4 [4] Oct 10 [5] Oct 11: Day One [6] Oct 12: Day Two [7] Oct 13: Day Three

— The Underground Bunker Podcast on YouTube

[1] Marc Headley [2] Claire Headley [3] Jeffrey Augustine [4] Bruce Hines [5] Sunny Pereira [6] Pete Griffiths


Source Code

“The fellow who says, ‘Well, all right, all right, so they’re fighting in M-ghanistan. I can’t do anything about it.’ You’ve suddenly — you’ve suddenly had him admit that he couldn’t, he couldn’t have the space of M-ghanistan. And now, this is the biggest trick that your real entheta boys use. They get people to go around admitting they can’t have any — can’t do anything about things.” — L. Ron Hubbard, October 16, 1953



Avast, Ye Mateys

“Command Intention for the ship at this time is TO HAVE A FULLY OPERATIONAL SHIP, SMART COMPETENT CREW AND A POSH YACHT ATMOSPHERE AND APPEARANCE FOR SHIP AND CREW. Command Intention for the Flag Org at this time is TO COPE AND CONTINUE AT HIGH SPEED THOSE ACTIONS ALREADY IN PROGRESS AND PROVING SO WORTHWHILE IN Station Ships, AOs and orgs. Flag personnel, attention to the external affairs of the SO and improve those down stats.” — The Commodore October 16, 1969


Overheard in the FreeZone

“Ask yourself what integral formations of Money, Finance and Appreciation may come as our Technologically Interconnecting Advance begins to embrace and engage various forms of Progressive Digitizable Accountancy going forward? Certainly the exploitative globalizations can have untoward effects especially if the new forms of progressive digitizable accountancy do not embrace and engage a more conscientiously integral science in our technologically interconnecting advance going forward.”


Past is Prologue

2000: There will be a benefit concert for the Lisa McPherson Trust in November in Clearwater, Florida. “All proceeds will be donated to the Lisa McPherson Trust, a watchdog group dedicated to exposing the abusive and deceptive practices of Scientology in an effort to reform the organization and its harmful tactics…Poets, guest speakers including former Scientologists, cult experts and video presentations will accompany the musical acts. Musical acts scheduled to date include WMNF radio disk jockey Jah-Be, The Hazies, Crizzy and the Punx, Fornikulture, Undecided, Wicker God, Trocar, Shiver, The Outpatients, Boney Fiend, The Gotohells, and ACK Records recording artist Tranceboy. Scientology founder and Dianetics author L. Ron Hubbard’s great-grandson Jamie Kennedy will be the Master of Ceremonies for this event. Poet and artist Kennedy has been profiled by television’s 60 Minutes and in the New York Times regarding his volatile performances at poetry slams. He truly has a unique, critical perspective about Scientology and his family. Jamie Kennedy will also perform several of his poetry slam pieces.”


Random Howdy


“The only sexual magick Crowley had came from an opium pipe or a syringe loaded with smack that let him keep it up all night. In street parlance it’s called ‘dope dick’.”


Full Court Press: What we’re watching at the Underground Bunker

Criminal prosecutions:
Danny Masterson charged for raping three women: Trial began October 11 in Los Angeles.
‘Lafayette Ronald Hubbard’ (a/k/a Justin Craig), aggravated assault, plus drug charges: Grand jury indictments include charges from an assault while in custody. Arraigned on August 29.
Jay and Jeff Spina, Medicare fraud: Jay sentenced to 9 years in prison. Jeff scheduled to be sentenced on Oct 28.
Rizza Islam, Medi-Cal fraud: Trial scheduled for October 24 in Los Angeles
David Gentile, GPB Capital, fraud: Next pretrial conference set for September 19.
Yanti Mike Greene, Scientology private eye accused of contempt of court: Found guilty of criminal and civil contempt.

Civil litigation:
Baxter, Baxter, and Paris v. Scientology, alleging labor trafficking: Complaint filed April 28 in Tampa federal court, Scientology moving to compel arbitration. Plaintiffs filed amended complaint on August 2. Hearing scheduled November 17 to argue the arbitration motions.
Valerie Haney v. Scientology: Forced to ‘religious arbitration.’ Selection of arbitrators underway. Next court hearing: February 2, 2023.
Chrissie Bixler et al. v. Scientology and Danny Masterson: Appellate court removes requirement of arbitration on January 19, case remanded back to Superior Court. Stay in place, next status hearing October 25.
Brian Statler Sr v. City of Inglewood: Third amended complaint filed, trial set for December 6.
Author Steve Cannane defamation trial: New trial ordered after appeals court overturned prior ruling.
Chiropractors Steve Peyroux and Brent Detelich, stem cell fraud: Lawsuit filed by the FTC and state of Georgia in August, now in discovery phase.



After the success of their double-Emmy-winning, three-season A&E series ‘Scientology and the Aftermath,’ Leah Remini and Mike Rinder continue the conversation on their podcast, ‘Scientology: Fair Game.’ We’ve created a landing page where you can hear all of the episodes so far.


An episode-by-episode guide to Leah Remini’s three-season, double-Emmy winning series that changed everything for Scientology watching. Originally aired from 2016 to 2019 on the A&E network, and now on Netflix.


Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!

Other links: SCIENTOLOGY BLACK OPS: Tom Cruise and dirty tricks. Scientology’s Ideal Orgs, from one end of the planet to the other. Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society. Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in a weekly series. How many have you read?


[ONE year ago] When L. Ron Hubbard’s Scientology followers put him on the spot about space opera
[TWO years ago] Danny Masterson ‘accidentally’ outs Jane Doe accuser after judge told him not to
[THREE years ago] Tom Cruise at the IAS gala with his kids Connor and Isabella? We think it’s likely.
[FOUR years ago] Growing up in Scientology, and growing together outside of it: An appeal
[FIVE years ago] Crashing a ‘Mace-Kingsley’ event in Pasadena to get some answers about Scientology and kids
[SIX years ago] Our story last week about Narconon deaths kicked up a fuss — and news of two more deaths
[SEVEN years ago] Scientology on trial in Belgium: An update from our man in Europe
[EIGHT years ago] The Garcias answer Scientology’s ‘International Justice Chief’ with an affidavit by Mike Rinder
[TEN years ago] Rumors That Tom Cruise is Breaking with Scientology: ‘Bullshit With a Capital B’


Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley (1952-2019) did not see his daughter Stephanie in his final 5,667 days.
Valerie Haney has not seen her mother Lynne in 2,819 days.
Katrina Reyes has not seen her mother Yelena in 3,324 days
Sylvia Wagner DeWall has not seen her brother Randy in 2,874 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his grandson Leo in 1,864 days.
Geoff Levin has not seen his son Collin and daughter Savannah in 1,755 days.
Christie Collbran has not seen her mother Liz King in 5,060 days.
Clarissa Adams has not seen her parents Walter and Irmin Huber in 2,930 days.
Doug Kramer has not seen his parents Linda and Norm in 2,035 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 4,508 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 3,824 days.
Dylan Gill has not seen his father Russell in 12,390 days.
Melissa Paris has not seen her father Jean-Francois in 8,309 days.
Valeska Paris has not seen her brother Raphael in 4,477 days.
Mirriam Francis has not seen her brother Ben in 4,057 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 4,319 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 3,355 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy and daughter Jessica in 3,070 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 2,635 days.
Julian Wain has not seen his brother Joseph or mother Susan in 950 days.
Charley Updegrove has not seen his son Toby in 2,125 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 6,676 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 3,807 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 4,145 days.
Roger Weller has not seen his daughter Alyssa in 9,000 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 4,119 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 2,475 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin and daughter Taryn in 6,778 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 2,884 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis in 3,282 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 3,158 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 2,741 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike and daughter Emily in 3,236 days.
Mary Jane Barry has not seen her daughter Samantha in 3,490 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 14,599 days.


Posted by Tony Ortega on October 16, 2022 at 07:00

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Our new book with Paulette Cooper, Battlefield Scientology: Exposing L. Ron Hubbard’s dangerous ‘religion’ is now on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle formats. Our book about Paulette, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2021 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Underground Bunker (2012-2021), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Other links: BLOGGING DIANETICS: Reading Scientology’s founding text cover to cover | UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists | GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice | SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts | Shelly Miscavige, 15 years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Watch our short videos that explain Scientology’s controversies in three minutes or less…

Check your whale level at our dedicated page for status updates, or join us at the Underground Bunker’s Facebook discussion group for more frivolity.

Our non-Scientology stories: Robert Burnham Jr., the man who inscribed the universe | Notorious alt-right inspiration Kevin MacDonald and his theories about Jewish DNA | The selling of the “Phoenix Lights” | Astronomer Harlow Shapley‘s FBI file | Sex, spies, and local TV news | Battling Babe-Hounds: Ross Jeffries v. R. Don Steele


Tony Ortega at The Daily Beast


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