We first got to know Guy White in 2012, when we were researching a story about Keith Relkin for the Village Voice.
Relkin was a gay man in West Hollywood who had tried to counter Scientology’s reputation for homophobia by sticking up for the church in various gay publications in Los Angeles.
But privately, Guy told us, before he died that February Relkin had actually complained bitterly about how Scientology treated him. Guy’s help was invaluable to us putting together that important piece about how Scientology had used Relkin to spy on his friends and co-workers and mistreated him along the way.
We were also fascinated by Guy’s own story in Scientology. “I’ve had a very interesting relationship with the church. I married into the Hubbard family,” he told us.
Yesterday, Guy went public with his story of having children with L. Ron Hubbard’s daughter, Suzette, and then later in life coming out as a gay man. His experience, as laid out in a lengthy and well-written story by Laura Collins at the Daily Mail, and also in our own conversations with Guy, document how L. Ron Hubbard’s family was systematically removed from the Church of Scientology’s official record and treated shabbily by current Scientology leader David Miscavige.
Guy was born in Salt Lake City on April 3, 1956. He had a mother who was Catholic and a father who belonged to no religion and taught mathematics at Utah State University, then later at the University of Portland.
“My father’s side of the family was a founding family of Salt Lake City. They were Mormons, but my father was an atheist,” Guy told us in an interview three years ago. When he was 13, Guy’s family moved to Portland, and it was there, in high school, that he first ran into Scientology and took the communication course at the local mission.
After feeling euphoric from Scientology’s introductory staring exercises, known as TR 0, Guy joined staff at the mission and eventually became its executive director at only 22. He built its staff from 30 to 160. “I was good at building new orgs. I did it in Mexico and the Valley. Some of these orgs were monstrous. They’re nothing now. Nothing.” he said.
After opening one org in Mexico, he received a congratulatory telex from L. Ron Hubbard himself. “I did that from 1970 to 1981. It was exciting, it was fun. I was building orgs all over the western US and Mexico.”
It was while doing that work that he met Diana Hubbard, oldest daughter from Hubbard’s third marriage, to Mary Sue Whipp. “She and I would speak on Saturdays, on the phone,” he said. They would discuss technical matters about Scientology facilities.
In 1982, Guy was working in Latin America when the decision was made to split it off from Western US.
“That’s when David Miscavige made his move. I was sent to the RPF,” he said, referring to the Sea Org’s prison program, the Rehabilitation Project Force. “Anyone who has moved up, who draws attention, is going to get hit. I had a lot of staff loyalty in Latin America and West US. I think my success was a threat.”
On November 12, 1982, Guy was reassigned to the boiler room of the Bridge Publications building in Los Angeles for 30 days.
“There were 16 people who went to the RPF when I did, including Mark Fisher. I was radioactive.”
In the boiler room, Guy was in the “RPF’s RPF.” In other words, in a position so low, he was treated with even more contempt than the regular RPF inmates. At one point, however, he found a scrap of discarded computer paper and a pencil. Guy used it to write a message to top Scientology officials about his situation. He merely asked to be moved up to the RPF itself.
“I wrote that and then went back to chipping paint with a hammer. It came back a few days later approved by Marc Yager.”
When he joined the others in the RPF, he says, they applauded, surprised to see him. “Up to that time no one had been in the RPF’s RPF as long as I had.”
As part of the RPF, he was assigned to run around a pole in Griffith Park.
“It sounded better than where I’d been.”
And so on Valentine’s Day 1983, Guy White went to the spot in Griffith Park where he was assigned to run around a pole, and there he met a woman overseeing the running program.
Her name was Suzette Hubbard. She was the younger sister to Diana, and was far less visible than Diana in the Scientology movement.
“Suzette was flighty. She was funny. Suzette would go down and cook in the galley because she thought it was fun. She was gracious and regal and kind and benevolent. She was fun,” he said. “She always had jokes. She’d talk to the RPFers, even though she wasn’t supposed to. She didn’t have an attitude. There was no ‘I’m a Hubbard’ air,” he says.
After meeting on the RPF, Guy and Suzette found some chances to spend time together, he said. “We’d go up the street and eat outside the galley. Or after hours we’d go walk and talk.
“I ended up at Int Base and she was at PAC,” he added, referring to Scientology’s downtown Los Angeles administrative headquarters — Pacific Area Command — and its top international management complex about 90 miles east, near Hemet, California, known as “Int Base.”
They managed to stay in touch and eventually they decided to get married. But how, he wondered, was he going to get word to her father, L. Ron Hubbard? The Scientology founder had vanished in February 1980, and only a small number of people in the church were allowed to know where he was hiding out.
“I wrote to LRH, asking to marry his daughter. I think it went as far as the ED Int,” he remembered, referring to the ‘Executive Director International,’ a high ranking official in the church. “I remember writing and rewriting it. But he died before it could get to him.”
Hubbard died on January 24, 1986 at a ranch in Creston, California where he’d been in seclusion for several years. Three days later at the Hollywood Palladium, a crowd of Scientologists were told by David Miscavige that their beloved leader had chosen voluntarily to leave his body and pursue further research elsewhere in the cosmos.
That was all well and good, but Guy and Suzette still had a wedding to plan for. And Guy pointed out that it wasn’t a simple matter.
“Where do we get married? At Int Base? Her friends weren’t qualified to go there. At PAC in LA? There were problems there, too,” he said.
So they decided to have the wedding at Mary Sue Hubbard’s house at 2345 Chislehurst Dr in Los Feliz, near Griffith Park. (Mary Sue had been given the house as a sort of consolation prize after she took the fall for the “Snow White Program” domestic spying program that resulted in 11 top Scientologists, including Mary Sue, going to prison while her husband Ron was merely named an unindicted co-conspirator. He vanished in 1980, and she ended up spending one year in prison of the five she was sentenced to. She came out of prison in 1983 and moved into the house on Chislehurst and never saw her husband again.)
Top Scientology officials Norman Starkey and Ray Mithoff said they’d be at the wedding at Mary Sue’s house, but then the event was cancelled.
“We got married at the Justice of the Peace, and we were back at work the next day,” Guy said. They were married on March 8, 1986. “After we got married, I was at Int Base, and she was at PAC. It didn’t change.”
Suzette was living at the penthouse at PAC when they were married, and they spent their wedding night there. The next day, he was sent back to Int Base. Then, on July 5, he was busted to the RPF camp known as “Happy Valley.” Guy and his RPF “twin” were later moved to PAC’s RPF, and that’s were he was when his son Tyson was born, nine months and one day after he and Suzette had spent their wedding night together.
“I remember being at the hospital, and then I went back to the RPF. I called Mary Sue — she said ‘What? Get back up here to the hospital!'”
Guy admits that when he saw his red-haired son for the first time, he remembered that L. Ron Hubbard had died almost a year earlier. And, given the way Scientologists think about their immortal selves taking over new babies — could this be LRH? He laughs at the prospect now.
Meanwhile, there were serious challenges facing them. While Suzette was pregnant, a new order had come out, saying that Sea Org members could not have children.
Another sign that things were changing occurred the next March 13 — L. Ron Hubbard’s birthday and the second one since his death. Guy was still assigned to the RPF, now at Int Base, and he was watching Tyson as Suzette got dressed up for a special event at the main dining area on the base.
“She came back a few minutes later, bawling. I asked her what happened, and she said ‘I have no place to sit’.”
Guy explained that in previous years, she sat at her father’s table for his birthday celebrations. But this year, there was no Hubbard table.
“That was an example of the beginning of how the writing was on the wall, and the growing disrespect in Scientology for the family,” he said.
For example, when Guy was at Happy Valley, so was Suzette’s younger brother Arthur Hubbard, and Jon Horwich, Diana’s former husband and father of her child, Roanne. That treatment of Hubbard family members was unthinkable before L. Ron’s death, Guy said.
When Tyson was born, Guy says that Diana’s daughter Roanne was excited to see another child at the base. They were the only two children at the compound, and a sign that even with the changes, the Hubbard family did still get treated special in some ways, like being able to raise children at the base.
He also appreciated that Suzette’s mother, Mary Sue Hubbard, was so interested in her grandkids.
“When we visited with the kids, she would be in jeans and would be rolling around on the ground with the kids. It was wonderful. There was no pressure,” he said. “Mary Sue was big on family. When Arthur got married to a woman with two kids, they had a floor prepared for them, a penthouse at PAC base.”
After he finally left the RPF, White went back to his post in marketing at Int Base. Then, one day, he was suddenly ordered to go to the Cine division, where Scientology makes its movies. He would be working a clapper. Suzette, meanwhile, was assigned to the laundry, cleaning Miscavige’s clothes.
“I’m in Cine with no days off, morning to night, and then an inspection every night. I couldn’t go home until a white glove inspection was passed every night. Family time had been cancelled,’ he said, referring to a policy that at least had allowed Sea Org members who did have children to spend an hour each day with them. But that had been canceled two years after Hubbard’s death. “So I had meals, sometimes with Suzette there, sometimes not. We’d see each other in passing. It was very strained.”
In January 1989, Suzette blew the base in the middle of the night, taking Tyson with her.
“We lived at that time in OGH — the Old Gilman House. We had a room there. And there was no fence around the base at that time. So she took off in the middle of the night. And then I had guards on me every night. I was like the bait they were going to use to get Suzette back,” he said.
Then, White made his own run for it. “I blew from Cine,” he said. He had arranged to meet with his family members, who drove him to San Diego.
“I was in a hotel in San Diego and security showed up. I just want my son, I said. But I was taken out to Happy Valley again and left there.” He was no closer to being reunited with his wife and son.
“I was being told I should divorce Suzette and let go of Tyson. The greatest good is to have you here and to divorce Suzette, they said. So I walked.”
He blew for a second time in October 1989. “As soon as I start to leave, the dogs are barking, the lights come on, and I’m running. Cars were coming with their lights on.
He dove off an embankment to avoid the cars, and then made his way to Hemet.
His leather jacket was torn, and he was bleeding. “Nothing was open in Hemet. I was pounding on the door of a bowling alley, and then I saw a cleaners. I wouldn’t have opened the door for me, but they let me in,” he said, marveling at the generosity of the people who helped him out, and that he communicated with in broken Spanish. “I told them I had been in a car wreck.”
He made his way to San Diego and then was reunited with Suzette and Tyson. And he began to think about the things he’d been told by his captors.
“I’d been told that I should divorce Suzette, and that Mary Sue Hubbard was an SP,” he said, referring to a “suppressive person” — in other words, the church now considered Mary Sue Hubbard an enemy.
“That sort of became my insurance policy over the years, that they didn’t know what Mary Sue had told me, and they had told me things about Mary Sue and Suzette that would not make them look good if it came out,” he said.
Suzette came down to San Diego with Tyson, and then they stayed on the Queen Mary in Long Beach, then they went up to Los Angeles.
They were living in an apartment in Burbank when their daughter Alysa was born in 1990. Then they were living in a house in North Hollywood when their third child, a boy they named Connor, was born in 1994.
“We would see Mary Sue every few months. It then became, you know, like normal. For a while.”
And then, the marriage ended. Guy came out to Suzette, and they decided to split up. But Guy says they got along better after the divorce than ever before.
And he remained a part of the family, and could see how they felt about the new church leadership.
“I’ve sat at the table with Mary Sue, who hated Miscavige,” he says. “Mary Sue said he had a Napoleon complex. She hated what he did with the mission holders, for example.”
In 1982, while Hubbard was in hiding, Miscavige and several other Sea Org upstarts called in the Scientologists who owned missions around the country to a meeting in San Francisco and decimated their ranks. It was a naked power grab, as the old franchise model was destroyed rather than make an attempt at reform.
“She said, ‘What your father and I would do, how we would handle them, is to call them to the ship, clean them up, and send them home. Why would you slaughter them?’ She hated Miscavige.”
(If this was indeed Mary Sue’s take on the infamous conference, it may have been a naive view: The historians we regularly consult say that although Hubbard was in seclusion, the massacre of the mission holders in 1982 could not have taken place without his approval.)
But the point is taken. Mary Sue disliked Miscavige’s style as the church alienated the Hubbard family members and then made them disappear from the church’s official record. Mary Sue died in 2002. (And in a strange footnote, her house on Chislehurst could not be sold for another decade: She had stipulated in her will that as long as her beloved Shih Tzu was still alive, the house could not be put on the market. The dog finally died in 2013, and the house was then put up for sale.)
“Miscavige always perceived the Hubbard family members as a threat,” Mike Rinder says, after we asked him about Guy White’s observations about the family being disrespected. “Not because they were in any real sense a threat, but because he worried that others might think they had some claim to the throne he had successfully muscled his way onto. None of them was capable of besting Miscavige by any stretch, but that didn’t mean he didn’t take the needed steps to ensure that remote possibility never came true.
“The only one who even remained a Scientologist was Diana. Suzette and Arthur both blew the Sea Org, never to return. Quentin killed himself in 1976,” Rinder points out.
“Diana, the eldest of Mary Sue’s children, has never been any real threat. She too had blown the Sea Org at one point to go off and marry a record producer, John Ryan. But she ultimately came back, though I have never understood why. Diana was always too nice and not nearly ruthless enough to take on Miscavige. I think she feels loyalty to her father and like others at the Int Base is literally waiting for him to return and put Miscavige in his place, or for Miscavige to die so they can get things ‘back to the way Ron wanted them.’
“Like dictators through the ages, first Hubbard and then Miscavige has erased unwanted members of the family from history. In this instance, that means everyone. Hubbard never spoke about his first wife Polly, or their children, Nibs or Katie. And of course his second wife Sara Northrup and their daughter, Alexis, were officially erased by Hubbard himself, who told a television program in 1968 ‘I never had a second wife,’ and who also denied that Alexis was his child. And Hubbard pretty quickly dumped his third wife, Mary Sue, when she became a liability and Miscavige finished the job, erasing all mention of her in Hubbard’s writings and lectures, removing her from official photos and generally applying magic vanishing potion to everything about her involvement with Hubbard and Scientology. There is no official mention of any of Hubbard’s wives and children anywhere in Scientology publications. Not even the official ‘biography’ of Hubbard, the ‘Ron Series’.
“The concept of genealogical succession is foreign to the Scientology belief of thetans and bodies,” Rinder adds. “But it would have been interesting if Hubbard had been in good enough mental and physical shape to actually outline any sort of plan for his succession to see what role Mary Sue and his children might have been given. It’s one of the greatest ‘omitteds’ in Hubbard’s entire body of work that he provided no plan for succession, though he did lay out how to wash windows and offered his wisdom on every aspect of everything ever.”
The Daily Mail managed to get a response from the Church of Scientology about Guy White’s claims that is a classic of the genre. Here it is in its entirety.
Guy White’s claims are false. He is reaching back 40 years to manufacture lies about Scientology to capitalize on the popularity of the religion and its leader.
L. Ron Hubbard always intended for his life’s work to benefit Scientology. While he provided generously for his family, Mr. Hubbard bequeathed the bulk of his estate to the Church to carry out its religious mission. Unlike some religions that have experienced periods of turmoil when their founders pass on, this was not the case for the Church of Scientology. The Church has gone on to flourish and prosper, in accordance with Mr. Hubbard’s vision and plans.
Guy White briefly held a middle management position with the Church in the early 1980s but was removed for repeated ecclesiastical violations. He was given several opportunities to redeem himself, but failed and ultimately departed the Church’s religious order in 1989.
His life became shambles and he involved himself in matters that distanced him from the Hubbard family and the Church. Even though he was no longer a practicing member of the Church, Scientologists helped him on more than one occasion to get his life in order.
White’s current attempt to exploit, through his lies, the Scientology religion, its Founder and its ecclesiastical leader is absurd and shameful.
Mr. David Miscavige was L. Ron Hubbard’s trusted friend. Under his leadership and guidance, Churches of Scientology around the world are growing at an unprecedented rate.
For the past decade, Mr. Miscavige has directed an international program toestablish new Churches of Scientology in major citie sand cultural centers around the world to bring our religion and social programs to greater numbers. The scope of this undertaking is unmatched in modern religious history.
These new Churches reflect the fulfillment of Mr.Hubbard’s vision for the religion he founded. In just the past two weeks, we opened two new Churches,one in Kansas City, Missouri,and this weekend, one in Columbus, Ohio. See www.scientology.org.
In all, we have established more than 70 of these new, expanded Churches. The Church also inaugurated the new cathedral for its spiritual headquarters. Watch Inside Scientology Flag at Scientology.tv to see for yourself.
Mr. Miscavige’s far-reaching vision and unrelenting dedication have brought the Church of Scientology to where it is today. Mr. Miscavige works tirelessly on behalf of the religion. Further information pertaining to his accomplishments is available at www.davidmiscavige.org. For the real view,there are interviews you can watch of individuals from many walks of life who have actually worked with Mr. Miscavige recently and over the past 40 years.
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Mark “Warrior” Plummer could use a hand
Our old friend Mark Plummer, former Scientologist and ardent church critic, recently survived a car accident that sounds like it was extremely frightening. In its wake, he’s been pretty wiped out financially, and he’s asking for a helping hand. Please visit his GoFundMe account and donate a few bucks if you can.
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Bonus items from our tipsters
Meanwhile, in Canada…
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“I myself had a rig worked out in order to take care of witch doctors down in Africa. Ran this way: I was going to get an asbestos glove, you know, and — it doesn’t matter whether something is supercold or superhot, you know? They both burn and there is sensation, so the practitioner should be careful when he’s doing something like this. I was going to take an asbestos glove and I was going to put a metal disc, preferably a lead disc, in the palm of the glove, you see? And there’d be a little snap in there so that it could be taken out and put in easily. And get this little disc supercold, totally supercold, you see? Get it down there to maybe -200 or something like that — way down, you know — and then snap that quickly in the glove and go out and shake hands with the witch doctor. Well, the dampness of a palm is quite adequate there, and it would of course brainwash him. Be very, very effective. As a matter of fact, one could probably take over the entirety of witch-doctoring throughout Africa with the greatest of ease, particularly if you shook hands with all of the witch doctors in front of the tribe, and they instantly went down on their knees and went “gaggo bulla,” and you said, “Bark,” and they would thereafter bark. You see, they hold all the natives in that sort of a thrall. And so if you held them in that sort of a thrall, why, then the natives would of course do what you said twice as good as they would do what the witch doctor says; and this is already perfect.” — L. Ron Hubbard, November 13, 1956
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“The ‘beings’ that run this planet are totally controlled by a superior AI outside of this galaxy to such an extent that we ought not think of them as beings but instead refer to them as MEST entities.”
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“Shit, I was under the gun for suggesting there were mucho socks on board…which was later proven to be true thanks to help from Robert, StillGrace and Andrew…and I was a big meanie for ragging on the noobs for over-commenting…and then I had the audacity to merely hint that the beloved Knickers was anything less than the Virgin Mary. I wasn’t saying shit to anyone at that point.”
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Scientology’s celebrities, ‘Ideal Orgs,’ and more!
We’ve been building landing pages about David Miscavige’s favorite playthings, including celebrities and ‘Ideal Orgs,’ and we’re hoping you’ll join in and help us gather as much information as we can about them. Head on over and help us with links and photos and comments.
Scientology’s celebrities, from A to Z! Find your favorite Hubbardite celeb at this index page — or suggest someone to add to the list!
Scientology’s ‘Ideal Orgs,’ from one end of the planet to the other! Help us build up pages about each these worldwide locations!
Scientology’s sneaky front groups, spreading the good news about L. Ron Hubbard while pretending to benefit society!
Scientology Lit: Books reviewed or excerpted in our weekly series. How many have you read?
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THE WHOLE TRACK
[ONE year ago] Shifting gears: Leah Remini talks about tonight’s two-hour special on Jehovah’s Witnesses
[TWO years ago] Sexual harassment allegations strike a blow against a Scientology political ally in Florida
[THREE years ago] Scientology saw a tempting target in a Tampa pastor gaining fame for her compassion
[FOUR years ago] Why it was Scientology leader David Miscavige who declared Lisa McPherson ‘Clear’
[FIVE years ago] Scientology Photoshopping, Part 2: A mystery disappearance on the yacht Apollo
[SIX years ago] LISA MARIE PRESLEY ON SCIENTOLOGY: “CRAZY CRIMINAL PEOPLE”
[SEVEN years ago] Lay Off Xenu: An Ex-Scientologist’s Plea
[EIGHT years ago] Scientology, “The Money Machine:” Explosive New Series by the St. Pete Times
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 13, 2019 at 07:00
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