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Scientology saw a tempting target in a Tampa pastor gaining fame for her compassion

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Our man Rod Keller keeps his mindful watch on Scientology’s social media presence, and that’s once again netted him a dynamite story…

In July, Tampa minister Savanna Hartman became Internet famous when her Facebook video, apologizing through tears for her “white privilege,” went viral. It’s now been seen more than 17 million times.

She was reacting to the disturbing death of a 37-year-old man named Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. In video of the incident, two white Baton Rouge policemen can be seen holding Sterling down as they were trying to arrest him. They were responding to a report that a man had been selling CDs on the street and had pulled a gun on someone. In the video, one of the officers trying to hold Sterling down yells that he’s going for his gun, and the other officer shoots Sterling multiple times from just three feet away.

Several onlookers recorded the shooting, which sparked protests in Baton Rouge and other American cities. At a July 7 protest in Dallas, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed, shot, and killed five police officers before being killed himself by police with a robot controlled bomb.

Reacting to the racial tensions that were boiling over, Hartman recorded herself reciting her poem.

 

I wasn’t born rich, but don’t get it twisted.
See how I look? My white skin is my privilege.
I don’t get watched when I go to the mall.
If I get stopped for a ticket it doesn’t end in a brawl.
I don’t know what it’s like to go out for snacks
And end up lying dead on my back
My car’s never been watched or followed around
My kids don’t play in parks and then get gunned down

 
Hartman’s video got her a profile on CNN, a book deal, and a large following online. She’s also started a new Christian church in Tampa called Banner Church.

We noticed that Hartman has been invited to speak at a human rights walk in the Tampa neighborhood of Ybor City on December 4. The event is being sponsored by a Scientology front group, Youth for Human Rights.

 
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Ybor City was founded as a cigar manufacturing center in the 1880s. With the decline of that industry the former factories have been converted to restaurants, bars, art galleries and hotels. In 2011 Scientology renovated and re-opened the Ybor Square building as the Tampa Ideal Org.

 
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Curious about Hartman’s involvement in a Scientology event, I called her up to ask her about it.

“I travel and I speak about social justice and human rights and Christ’s plan for us,” she said. “Gracia Bennish reached out to me to ask if I would do a special spoken word address” reciting her poem at the Scientology event.

Gracia Bennish is the President of Youth for Human Rights Florida, charged with implementing the L. Ron Hubbard policy “The Safe Point,” in which prominent citizens, or “opinion leaders” are recruited as allies to create a safe space for Scientology expansion.

 
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Bennish recruits Opinion Leaders to serve as Scientology allies across Florida, and is seen in the photo below with Ana Maria Pineres, Executive Director for the Colombian-American Chamber of Commerce…

 
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…and with Florida State Senator Dwight Bullard:

 
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I asked Hartman if she had ever heard of alleged human rights abuses by the Church of Scientology, such as the policy of coercing abortions in the Sea Org, the prison camp at Gold Base and The Hole, and the practice of Disconnection from family members who have left the Church. “No, I have not. I did hear about Disconnection. But from my understanding, [Youth for Human Rights] is funded by the Church but they are not an affiliate of the Church.

“I was told that the only member of the Church who is speaking at all is the President of the Tampa Church,” Hartman said. “I would like to read more about the things you mentioned [about human rights violations]. That’s very interesting to me.”

I also spoke with another invited speaker, Rev. Manuel Sykes, who is the former President of the St. Petersburg chapter of the NAACP and pastor of Bethel Community Baptist Church. He says his address will focus on “Uniting a divided country based on our common humanity. We have to get in touch with the fact that we all bleed red blood. We all have hopes and desires, and we should all have a heart for the poor. I believe in America we have too much for some people to have so little. I want to encourage the audience to recognize and be motivated to promote the rights of others.”

 
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Rev. Sykes is well acquainted with the Church of Scientology. “I’ve been working on and off with them for the past several years. I’ve spoken there several times, and I was given the President Obama award there for community service. We held our church’s 93rd anniversary banquet at their facility. I attended a Juneteenth celebration there, and Pat Harney has been very hospitable, and I consider her a friend.”

Pat Harney (center in the photo below) is a member of Scientology’s secret police – the Office of Special Affairs, and works in a variety of public relations roles.

 
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It’s her job to safe point local Opinion Leaders. In this next photo she’s seen receiving the key to the city of North Miami Beach and a proclamation from Councilman John Patrick Julien and Florida House member Daphne D. Campbell for Scientology’s relief efforts in Haiti.

 
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The award Rev. Sykes mentions is the President’s Volunteer Service Award, named after President Obama, and Scientology is one of a number of Certifying Organizations empowered to bestow the award to community leaders. The association of President Obama with Scientology is an important public relations tool for the church in dealing with historically black churches.

Rev. Sykes’ involvement in Youth for Human Rights is recent. “I met Gracia [Bennish] about a year ago through a friend of mine. She allowed me to use excerpts of the materials on peace in my school. And when this opportunity came up to participate in an event, I jumped at it, it’s right down my alley.” Rev. Sykes has announced plans to retire from being a pastor at Bethel Church, although he plans to remain active in promoting civil and human rights.

 
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Since we spoke, Savanna Hartman has been researching allegations of human rights abuses by Scientology. I received an email from her stating, “I will no longer be speaking at the human rights walk. I wanted you to know so you could update that in the article.” I responded that it was not my intention to pressure her to cancel, and she assured me I had not. “Oh, no worries. You didn’t. My decision was my own. I am looking forward to looking into it.”

— Rod Keller

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on November 13, 2016 at 07:00

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Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and audiobook versions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Result! Well done mate.

  • Jeb Burton

    And Leah thought she was a troublemaker. Watch out Tony, someone’s not going to be happy about this.

  • Amazing what a little sunshine can do.
    Good on Savannah.

  • Susan black

    Very nicely done rod Keller. Thank you.

  • Glom_of_Nit

    And well done, Savannah, for being true to your creed (wanted to post this in answer to Once_born, not in a post of its own).

    • Indeed. So many people seem inclined to deny that they have been had (especially politicians).

  • madame duran

    I’m telling ya…women are gonna shut this cult down.
    Kudos to Savannah Hartman for having a brain to go along with her passion and her ministry. RESEARCH, y’all!

    Speaking of women, ever heard of LEAH REMINI?
    https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20161129T22&p0=179&msg=Leah+Remini%3A+Scientology+%26+The+Aftermath+%28docuseries%29&font=slab&csz=1

    • salin

      ^^^X10^^^

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Savannah you’re a smart, curious, young woman. We need more like you. Good on you for seeking the truth.

    Rev Sykes, you should be ashamed of yourself. All the awards in the world don’t change what is going on there.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      shame the definition and meaning must not be preached in his world.. and no mirrors in his household either!..

  • Mymy88

    THANK YOU. Thank God for Savannah Hartman seeing the light when it was shun on something trying to sneak past her in the shadows. I needed this article really bad this am. Thank you Tony and Mr. Keller!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *whispers*

      Did you see SNL last night? If not, put it on your ‘to watch’ list. It was lovely and hilarious. ; )

      • ze moo

        Kate McKinnion’s ‘Hallelujah’ was Cohen tribute and a Hillary tribute. I haven’t watched the rest of the show yet, but I expect lots of Trump jokes in the next 4 years.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Kate was lovely and funny. Chappelle was hysterical.

          • Jimmy3

            Chappelle killed it. Just as funny as ever. And then he had a very reasonable message at the end. I enjoyed that.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I’ve missed that guy so much. I hope he’ll come back to television. I think he could hand pick where he wanted to go as far as a network. Who wouldn’t want him?

        • Robert Eckert

          I finally managed to cry watching that. Mostly my mood this week has been dominated by bitter anger and profound shame. I need to get to sadness.

          • gtsix

            I got there yesterday. Cried myself to sleep. Still hopeless though. And the anger is very much still there.

      • Robert Eckert

        The Hallelujah opening is publicly available now
        https://youtu.be/BG-_ZDrypec

        • joan nieman

          Thanks Robert.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Oh dear, that has completely undone me.

    • Draco
      • gtsix

        Wants da puppehs!

      • Mymy88

        Aww thank you so much. There’s nothing that will cheer me up faster than puppy lovins lol!

  • Jack99

    “In this next photo she’s seen receiving the key to the city of North
    Miami Beach and a proclamation from Councilman John Patrick Julien and
    Florida House member Daphne D. Campbell for Scientology’s relief efforts
    in Haiti.”

    What relief efforts?

    • Jimmy3

      Edit: It’s too early for poop jokes.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Didn’t you hear? scientology stabilized the bedrock several miles into the Earth’s mantle, so there will never be an earthquake there again. They built eleventy billion houses in just 48hours, they got everyone cable-TV and high-speed broadband access. They found every citizen a high paying corporate job. No one does drugs there anymore, not even Aspirin. It’s just the bestest place to live on this tiny blue marble.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      being there in person in yellow passing out fliers and ways to happiness and doing the grand standing for photos only touch assists? yeah, some help!..

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    The Divine Rod does it again! Thank you, Mr Keller! Thank you for doing the research, Savannah!

    There is hope for humanity yet.

    Can someone get the TBT to do a piece on why she decided to cancel her speach.

  • Draco

    Good for Savannah. So refreshing to see somebody following up instead of making excuses for their involvement with scientology.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      exactly! preach it draco!

    • ze moo

      Can I have an Amen, Brothers and Sisters?

      • gtsix

        Ramen

        • scottishinlondon

          May we all be blessed by His noodly appendages

      • cdub

        Amen

  • nice work!

    This is why the Internet is the Vietnam of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.

    Anecdote: Years ago at a protest, I was discussing how bad the Co$ is with a passer-by. Displaying a pleasing level of scepticism, the passer-by asked me how what I was saying was not just a different point of view and, in fact, no more or less true than what the Co$ was saying. My answer was simple: “I have a website providing some of my points of view and providing some information. The Co$ members have websites. The Co$ members are not allowed to browse my website, but I can read anything I like.”

    (To which I could have added that the fact of the Co$ being criminally convicted is relatively easy to verify and that the Co$ itself maintains that the law does not apply to it, to the extent they enter into a discussion about their legal setbacks at all…)

    All of the front organisations are reduced to making inaccurate claims and flat out denials when confronted with the Internet. This only works – and only to a certain extent – to their own members who have something to lose from not toeing the line. Outsiders, the vast majority of the human race, can actually make up their own minds.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      well said.. don’t you hate it when people who do NOT KNOW what they are talking about feel the need to express their opinion as fact or just as valid as those that DO KNOW what they are talking about and using vague simpleton responses like this passer by did to you years ago.. hopefully you set them straight forever!

  • Ella Raitch

    Outstanding work Rod

  • LongtimeLurker

    Nailed it.

    Well done Rod and Savannah.

    And Tony.

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Re: ““I will no longer be speaking at the human rights walk.”

    Savannah Hartman’s decision to not participate at the “human rights” walk, sponsored by the scientology Front Group, Youth for Human Rights, is both admirable and wise. I enjoyed today’s presentation by Rod; her decision is like icing on a cake.

    I’ve posted a new blog that’s interspersed with never-before-seen photographs of scientologists and Sea Org members. I shot those pictures during a visit on March 10, 2016, to the Pacific Area Command Base (“PAC Base” or “Big Blue”), scientology’s West Coast headquarters in Los Angeles, California. Maybe, just maybe, you’ll spot a loved one, a friend or work associate, someone who gave up everything in order to dedicate their life to L. Ron Hubbard and scientology. Such a person may have even disconnected from you. I’m including most of the pictures here, along with an abridged answer to a question posed yesterday by Tony Ortega (“Leah Remini schools us on what motivates Scientologists to toe the line”):

    What Motivated Me to Follow the Intricate Rules in Scientology

    On Saturday, November 12, 2016, Tony Ortega at The Underground Bunker wrote:

    We have many former Scientologists in our reader community, and we wanted to hear your thoughts about this. What motivated you to follow the intricate rules in Scientology? And what fear did you have, if any, for the prospect of being hauled in by ethics for a sec check?

    As a former scientologist (1977 to 2014), I recall how exciting life became when I joined fellow scientologists in going against the status quo.

    When I joined scientology, I had been looking, searching for a new religion. I had been raised as a Christian in the Methodist church, but early on developed an affinity for the subject of reincarnation. Mankind, I noticed, liked to treat each other like dogs but, I reasoned, men are not dogs. So, I explored other worlds: the Catholic religion; the Bahá’í Faith; and Jehovah’s Witnesses. But I reached a turning point with a viewing on the big screen of the motion picture Siddhartha (1972), based on the 1922 novel by Hermann Hesse. My journey through many faiths is my search for the meaning of life.

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    Two female Sea Org members talk on the front steps outside of the American Saint Hill Organization (“ASHO”), located at 1413 L. Ron Hubbard Way (“LRH”), in Los Angeles, California. In the foreground is a metallic sculpture of a lion, ASHO’s mascot (with the lion acting as the Protector of the Technology of scientology).

    In 1977, I came into a small amount of money, an insurance check, which had been lost in the mail for a year. I had no idea that it had been sent to me, so when it turned up, I made plans to leave Upstate New York. Just before this, I had a few conversations with Jerry, my former Methodist Youth Fellowship Leader, in which I explored my desire to write. Jerry suggested that I should travel these United States; get a job on a farm, then work in the city, all the while discovering what makes people “tick.” So, with check-in-hand, I said “goodbye” to my friends, family and job.

    I had little to no idea of the direction in which I would be heading. I simply got in my car and started driving. I had a vague idea of my destination: west. A work associate’s sister had been dating a musician, living somewhere between the Mississippi and the Pacific Ocean, and I thought, “How wonderful it would be to join them.”

    The vehicle I drove in (and the only car I’ve ever owned) has been voted (by a YouTube Channel, that is) the worst car ever made: a Ford Pinto, a 1972 hatchback. The Pinto and I drove from Upstate New York to Orlando. Florida, where I secured a job at Walt Disney World, yet I opted out. Instead, the Pinto and I headed west.

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    In this composite of two photos, we see two scientologists doing the Survival Rundown (“SR”). In the left picture, the guy is most likely a public scientologist, whereas the lady holding the official SR clipboard (always white) and pen (always blue) is a SO member in her particular org’s uniform. In the photo on the right, she smiles nicely for the camera. She is his “coach”; they are standing on the east side of LRH Way, just north of the intersection of that street and Fountain Avenue.

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    In this photo, there are two people: on the right, is a male SO member as he exits the front door of the Advanced Organization of Los Angeles (“AOLA”), located at 1306 LRH Way, in Los Angeles; and a female dressed in blue, a scientologist who has been recruited for the SO. She is on the Estates Project Force (“EPF”) and will become a SO member only after she has satisfactorily graduated from that program. When I served in the SO in the late 1970’s, the EPF consisted of a lot of hard work (such as the type this EPFer is engaged in) as well as various courses (such as “Introduction to the Sea Org” and “Welcome to the Sea Org Tapes”).

    My trip into Utah and Salt Lake City (“SLC”) proved uneventful except upon my arrival in that city. After passing Strawberry Reservoir, I entered the mountains to SLC’s east, and began a long, gradual descent into SLC. Soon, I could see the golden dome of the state’s capital building shining brightly with the descending sun. The effect of the city and ensuing shadows as night arrived made me declare, “This is the place,” the exact phrase uttered by pioneer Brigham Young some one-hundred-and-thirty years earlier as he arrived in what would become Salt Lake City.

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    In this picture, we see two scientologists having a conversation at the Pacific Grill & Barbecue (“PGB”), on LRH Way, in Los Angeles. The lady on the right, a SO member, is a “coach” for the SR (notice that Bridge action’s signature clipboard and pen in her hands). In this photo, they are facing LRH Way with the Main Bldg. behind the shrubbery.

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    A woman walks north along LRH Way, outside of the Los Angeles Organization (“LA Org”), located at 4810 W Sunset Blvd., in Los Angeles. She may very well be a public scientologist on her way to course at that org.

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    In this composite of two photos, we see two SO members on the left; in the picture on the right, one of them looks like she’s taking a picture of me. I shot this photo as they walked west along the north side of Sunset Blvd., about a block away from PAC Base, in Los Angeles.

    “Where do you see yourself six months from now?” the Body Router from the Mission of Salt Lake City inquired. Other questions followed in quick pursuit: “Where do you see yourself a year from now?” and “Where do you see yourself five years from now?” The words, “five years from now,” echoed in my head as I blindly rattled off a few now-forgotten dreams. The BR’s excitement and enthusiasm captured my attention as he stated, “What if I told you that I have a way for you to achieve those goals?” Intrigued, I walked with the BR (not knowing anything about a BR and what one does and why) to the Mission.

    The BR turned me over to a Registrar, who had me fill out an OCA, the Oxford Capacity Analysis, a 200-question test designed to plot your personality and characteristics (good, bad and indifferent) on a chart. Grinning at me widely from ear-to-ear, the Registrar held up my chart and stated, “Here’s where you sit in life.” The chart showed peaks and dips, a number of them in not-so-complimentary realms of which the Registrar said that scientology could help me with. His solution? The $50 Communications Course.

    With that the mention of money, however, I balked. Everything with scientology had been proceeding nicely, even with their evaluation of me on that OSA chart (tactics I would know nothing about until after I left scientology in 2014). So I did what comes quite naturally to almost any unemployed lonely guy in the big city: I lied. With my wallet in my back pocket and $175 in life savings tucked safely in it, I told the Registrar that I had left my wallet at home, but that I would come back the next day and pay for the course. Not knowing that the Registrar had heard that song-and-dance before, he offered to drive me home so I could get the money and pay for the course that night. So, I went through the motions: he drove me home; I went to my room; I watched the clock for a minute or two while I “retrieved my wallet”; and then forked over the cash to the Registrar.

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    I shot this photo of two female SO members as they walked west along Fountain Ave., in front of AOLA, in Los Angeles.

    Oppressed by a domineering mother (my father, when I turned eighteen, told me if given a chance to do it all over again, he didn’t think that he would marry her), I never did display a rebellious youth. Scientology helped unleash that, the teenager in me yearning to be free from the constraints of society. L. Ron Hubbard voiced those restrictions with wild abandon in his book, A History of Man, which I read, cover-to-cover, during a month’s hiatus between the Comm Course and the HQS (“Hubbard Qualified Scientologist”).

    Scientology didn’t hook me, however, through a book. They didn’t make me read the book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health. They didn’t invite me to a lecture where I would then discuss Hubbardisms with other participants, over a cup of coffee. No, scientology knew exactly what this free spirit and open-minded soul needed: through their “TR’s,” or Training Routines in the Comm Course, scientology promptly hypnotized me.

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    In this composite of two pictures, we see two women in the left picture. In that photo, a SO member talks to an elderly scientologist. They may have been discussing vitamins (notice the container that the elderly lady holds). The photo on the right is a better picture of the SO member. I captured them digitally as they sat outside Lebanon Hall, between the Main Bldg. and ASHO, on LRH Way, in Los Angeles.

    Scientology, I would later discover, has its roots in Theosophy, yet LRH claimed his “discoveries” were all his own; I thoroughly believed LRH when he declared himself “Source.” L. Ron Hubbard’s power through his devotees helped capture my soul and steer me from the life I would have had if not for scientology. I became a devotee and believer; I lived for L. Ron Hubbard and scientology because it offered me a slice of truth, something my “inner voice” grabbed hold of.

    After a few weeks in scientology, it began to dawn on me that maybe, just maybe, scientology believed in reincarnation, so I confided in a Registrar at the Mission. “Do you… I mean, does scientology believe in reincarnation?” I whispered after I closed his door for a conversation most private. “Heck, yes,” he exclaimed quite loudly, and with that, I knew that I had “arrived.”

    Just a little over a month transpired between my arrival at the Mission of Salt Lake City and the break-ins by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), in scientology offices in Washington D.C., and Los Angeles. In that brief moment of time, scientology had me hood-winked; as I prepared to move from Tibbet’s Boarding House into an apartment, I had also been working, non-stop, on slipping comfortably into scientology’s “bubble world.” The FBI, I “knew” were wrong for doing what they had done. Did I even know the reason for their actions? Did it bother me? Did I even care? No, and I wouldn’t even understand the nature of “Operation Snow White” (as Wikipedia refers to it) for another 37-years, not until that “bubble world” dissolved when I finally left scientology.

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    The man on the left is a public scientologist, while the other man (in uniform) is a SO member, his “coach,” on the SR. To the right is a lady wearing sunglasses and a red hat who is walking north along LRH Way, in Los Angeles. Between the “coach” and the lady is a tree, and behind it, sitting on his bicycle, is an ever-present PAC Security Guard.

    Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom” is the carrot that they dangled in front of me in my pursuit of the answers to the mysteries of life. Every time I ached spiritually or stumbled physically along the way, scientology caught me and urged me on, much like a cheerleader at a football game. I can’t tell you how many times a Registrar promised that “scientology can fix that,” as I went further into debt in order to buy my next step on the Bridge. I never did make enough money to afford countless hours of auditing or security checks (“sec checks”); a scientology liability that would later become my advantage.

    I made it only to Level Zero as an auditor and never did attest to the State of “Clear” (although something scientologically and wonderfully weird happened in April 1978, the result of an assessment done by a Field Auditor, and I haven’t had a single headache or migraine since). So I did the next-best thing to support scientology: I joined the Sea Org (“SO”) for two years and later “contributed” countless hours working as a public person at a bevy of scientology orgs and Front Groups.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/What%20Motiv%20Me%20to%20Follow%20the%20Intr%20Rules%20in%20Scn/94-11%202016-11-12%20DSC02237_zpsgc5gvgwj.jpg

    I used to live three blocks west of PAC Base, in Los Angeles, which made it very easy to go there and do photojournalism. As I walked home that sunny March day earlier this year, I came across a BR handing out “free” Dianetics Film and “free” OCA Test tickets. One of the most effective ways to disabuse a BR of doing his or her work is to simply take many pictures of their activity. After a dozen pictures, the BR left the northwest corner of Sunset Blvd. and Edgemont St., a block west of PAC Base.

    Through scientology, I never really feared anything; not going up The Bridge became my only real fear; a fear of being left behind. Aside from that, nothing else really mattered. And without money, I never faced sec checks. Sure, I ended up on Ethics lines from time-to-time (ex-scientologist Skip Press, as an Ethics Officer at ASHO Day, helped guide me as a public person in the mid-1980’s. Thanks, Skip!). I sat on the side-lines, watching scientology pass right before my very eyes.

    In 1986, while at the event at the Hollywood Palladium in which David Miscavige announced the death of LRH, I vowed to never attend another scientology event. My “inner voice” told me that scientology would never, ever be the same again, and I stuck to that decision. I never did get caught up in the confusion evoked by LRH’s “successor,” David Miscavige; I never contributed financially to the “Ideal” Org project. I barely maintained an annual membership with the International Association of Scientologists (“IAS”), and never had a staff member try to get me to “raise my status level.” When selling complete sets of the “Basic Book and Lecture” package became all the rage, I didn’t fork out $5,000 for that privilege; instead, I bought that material, for pennies on the dollar, at eBay. What better way, than eBay, to “Complete Your LRH Library”!

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/What%20Motiv%20Me%20to%20Follow%20the%20Intr%20Rules%20in%20Scn/94-12%202016-11-12_zpsru1wshwf.jpg

    In the last photo, you might be able to see the large tree planters that line the north side of the street. In this composite of four photos we see, in four such planters, an unwanted Dianetics Film ticket as well as discarded OCA Test tickets (in English and in Spanish).

    Originally posted to JennyAtLAX (with more pictures and the full story), “What Motivated Me to Follow the Intricate Rules in Scientology,” November 12, 2016.
    https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/what-motivated-me-to-follow-the-intricate-rules-in-scientology/ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ef48e8bf655b8981691829d12b7df9d8908cc9873ea79707b30de8382081300d.jpg

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      4th from last photo, I believe that is Ken Nieztche in center, folder in hand, lady in red hat to the right. Ken’s from Australia.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/65247d02fc473c412801c550807391ef169ce6eeda98ee4f2e6f36cb3d4c7478.jpg

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Thank you very much, Chuck. It’s been my intention to “Reconnect the Disconnected and Declared,” so such an identification goes far.

        Here’s how I mentioned your contribution in an update to my blog:

        [Update: the second man from the left, the one in the Sea Org uniform, is Ken Nieztche (perhaps spelled “Nietzsche”), an Australian, who is a staff member at the Advanced Organization of Los Angeles (“AOLA”). Many thanks to Chuck Beatty for the identification.]

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    Thank you so much Rod and Savannah.
    Would it be possible to know as much as possible what is said, what tools and or brochures, pictures, docs are used by these OSA staff in their initial meetings and invitations?

  • Tracy Schmitz

    WELL DONE, VERY WELL DONE! and well done on savanna hartman’s part to actually doing her homework on the matter! and being common sense, integrity, decency, and courageous to do pull out FOREVER anything, i repeat anything remotely to do with this insidious “thing”….can we hope that everyone will do so ESPECIALLY those with political office and public awareness “stature”!…

  • Xenu’s son.

    After 40 years of safepointing every attempt to safepoint makes it less safe.These are not footbullets as Scientology’s feet are gone.
    http://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirituality/the-insidious-nature-of-scientologys-outreach-programs

  • Just a thought Scientology: Maybe if you’d knock off all those human rights abuses, you wouldn’t need to use those humane shields?

  • BosonStark

    With the work Rod is doing, one day Scientology may get a speaker who accepts their invitation and then, surprise, speaks on the human rights violations and abuses in Scientology.

    • holding up pictures and recorded on youtube

    • kemist

      Ehehehe…

      That would epic.

      Somebody do eeeeeet.

  • Andrew Robertson

    OT **Tsunami warning!**

    Off to find a hill or tall tree…….(or practice swimming)

    Andrew
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9b554ab2e7c51198f9878fba65e697499120ba83a260f4dc813a2754dae0b2e7.png

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Oh my Andrew. Please be safe. The quake didn’t hit your home too hard did it?

      • Andrew Robertson

        It shook alarmingly – but remained upright!

        Andrew

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Glad to hear it. Take care and check in when you can. Trust me when I tell you, I understand what a force water can be. *hugs*

        • Ella Raitch

          Stay safe Andrew

        • chukicita

          I hope you are on high ground already!

          • Andrew Robertson

            Still dry!

            ‘New Zealand earthquake: Tsunami arrives after powerful tremor hits’

            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37967178

            Andrew

            • chukicita

              WOW! That looks very scary. I hope you and yours are okay.

              Nature doesn’t play.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Are you still safe? How worrying. My friend landed in NZ 3 days ago and her hotel was in the epicentre. She’s fine.

    • Stay dry!

    • Missionary Kid

      I live about 25 miles (40 km) away from the Landers earthquake of 1992 it was only a 7.2. NZ got hit with a much larger one, 7.8.

      Stay safe.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Holy cow.

      Be safe Andrew.

    • gtsix

      Be safe.

  • Jimmy3
    • LongtimeLurker

      I particularly approve of how well you captured the Pitt howl noise.

      • Jimmy3

        Thank you, sir. I was inspired by Savanna Hartman to do my research.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Lol.

  • madame duran

    “I will no longer be speaking at the human rights walk.” = SCIENTOLOGY DENIED!

  • Flying High

    Amazing how a young and talented girl is able to look and find the truth about the ‘church’ but Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi who is highly educated and ‘trained’ to look cannot come up with the same conclusion and thereby cancel her speaking engagements at the ‘church.’

    • Probably long odds, but how would “US Attorney General Pam Bondi” sound?

      • ze moo

        Pammy could easily get a high Justice Department job. Now, will Congress bring up her $cieno ties? And her Trump University bribe?

        • chukicita

          Well they could also bring up Trump’s donation to the front group that promoted the Purification Rundown for 9.11 first responders.

      • Flying High

        I hear you and at this point how can these ‘representatives’ of human rights not know who they are getting involved with and that they are being used to solidify the phony cause(s). In addition, I find those never ‘conditioned’ by the Church (99.999% of the population) as more decent and genuine people with a higher level of integrity. Tony wrote about the Minnesota Police Chief who, when he became ‘informed,’ retracted his support after the ‘church’ flew him in to present him with an award. – http://tonyortega.org/2016/01/12/a-great-peek-into-how-scientology-uses-fronts-to-love-bomb-a-public-official/ – So how can Pam Bondi not know, yet blindly goes and speaks at their ballroom? As far as her Trump connection, let’s hope she does her job when immigration comes in regarding all staff ‘slaves’ who are way past their stay and have their passports returned to them as they are sent home and freed.

        • Robert Eckert

          Of course she knows. But she charges remarkably little money to not know.

  • These walks and runs seem to be a thing now with Scientology front groups. Time to start tracking them.

    They collect a bunch of donations, pay the expenses, have a big PR event with people like Savanna Hartman, hand out all the usual booklets, and in the end, generate less for real charities than a bunch of girl guides with mint cookies on a slow weekend.

    Category:Say No to Drugs

    • chukicita

      But it is a great way to have a programmatic activity to report on the 990. Otherwise you’re just passing out booklets in a world where people get information much more effectively in other ways.

  • ze moo

    “Scientology’s relief efforts in Haiti”??? Groping those injured in the immediate aftermath of the earthquake is really a ‘relief effort’, is it? What have they done besides groping? Travolta’s ‘plane load of supplies’ was nothing, nothing useful. Just a load of ‘volunteer ministers’ who felt their way around Haiti.

    But then they probably didn’t grab women by the p&ssy either. ‘Can you feel me now’? is not an accepted medical treatment. But then, what in $cientology is?

    Good job Rod, education is the best tool. Nice to see Savanna Hartman educated herself. Now she’ll educate others.

    Civil discourse is civil. And fun…

  • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA
  • chukicita

    I’m surprised at Julianne Holt. She is a respected Latina in this community.

    • MarcabExpat

      Likewise. When is the bulletin going to get out to charities, churches, etc, that if something is “funded” or “supported” by Co$, it is in fact a front for Co$ with the explicit purpose of making PR photos and draining credibility from the good name of your own legit organization?

  • Chee Chalker

    So Rev Sykes is retiring from Bethel Church and going to work for Scientology? Looks like someone is finally getting paid!

  • chukicita

    One thing I appreciate about Savanna Hartman – when her videos went viral, she didn’t lose her head.
    If you go to her website and see about booking her to speak at your event, she says she doesn’t ask for a speaker’s fee – just a love offering or honorarium (and hotel and travel costs). To me, that’s integrity.

    Savanna Hartman’s church also serves the Ybor City neighborhood. Her church members meet at a coffee/tea house in the area. It’s inviting and comfortable.

    Scientology had to buy the biggest available former cigar factory – one that has a lot of meaning to a lot of families here, a lot of history – and basically remove it from public use (it was formerly a bunch of shops and restaurants). No one is comfortable walking in there anymore. It looks nice, but you can’t walk in unless you pay.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Yes, I remember the place well before they bought it. What a loss and shame to the community and visitors.

      • MarcabExpat

        It was beautiful and people loved it. It really backfired on Scn locally when they took it over – the entire community was pissed and that didn’t go away. The locals already don’t like Scientology, but the well was poisoned much more than if they’d renovated a no-name building instead of basically “stealing” a beloved local landmark. (Not technically theft, but you know what I mean.)

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Absolutely!

    • MarcabExpat

      Last time I was in the area, I observed an informal no-go zone around it — pedestrians actively avoid it. They don’t even take a picture from across the street!

      • chukicita

        From the lovely bar across the street, i see walking tours hurry by – they are talking about the rich history of the building, and important things that happened there related to Marti and Maceo, but no one wants to linger and appreciate the architecture.

  • David Arum

    Savannah Hartman is exquisitely destructive .She is not destructive in the manner that COS is ,but her ministry will hurt people and many who are not willing participants .

    • LongtimeLurker

      I normally avoid talking to people who use meaningless soundbites like ‘MSM’ in their comments.

      But…

      Do you have any kind of proof, data, or anything at all to back this up?

      Enlighten us.

      • David Arum

        There is no evidence that race played a part in the Alton Sterling case ,and black people who subscribe to idiocy of “white privilege ” end up in poverty and ,or prematurely dead..

        • chukicita
          • LongtimeLurker

            lol

            I missed that.

            This conversation will be really rewarding, I bet. /s

            • chukicita

              Don’t fall for the Dev-T.

          • David Arum

            It was Alton Sterling.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You respond to that, but not my question?

              Interesting.

            • David Arum

              Your question is insane ,the woman proffering lies and fantasies ,the lies and fantasies don’t have weight they don’t take up space. There is no data or fact connected with a lie or fantasy.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Insane?

              You’ve come back much more…abusive…after your little break.

              What happened Dave? Bad day?

            • David Arum

              I can’t produce honestly facts ,figures ,or data about someone else’s lies and fantasies.Why do you believe that it is reasonable to ask me to to so ?

            • David Arum

              The woman’s preachments are lies and fantasies Their is no data or facts relevant to lies and fantasies .

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s utter nonsense.

              In reality, data and facts are vital to disproving lies and fantasies.

              For example, the fantasy that the Earth is flat can be easily disproved with data from a Bedford Level experiment. *

              So, where’s your Bedford on this subject? That’s all I’m asking, not that hard. No need to call my question insane.

              * Do you understand the comparison I’m making? Let me know if you don’t and I’ll come up with pictures or a diagram or something more…digestible.

          • MarcabExpat

            See, you just have to be bored enough for this sort of thing to be fun. I’m avoiding work, so it’s borderline fun.

        • villagedianne

          Not true. From what I observe, financially successful people of color are aware of white privilege, and that they managed to overcome it.

          • David Arum

            The USA has had a black president and Fortune 500 companies have had black CEO’s .Everyone had break through some social disadvantage.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Keep dodging the original subject David.

            • David Arum

              The original subject were the lies and fantasies being proffered by Savannah.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yes. And it took you 10 hours to stop dealing with insults and get back to the subject.

            • David Arum

              There are three issues:

              1) Is Savannah’s preachment advocating an affectation of paranoid schizophrenia, poverty,unemployment,living in food deserts ,and living without benefit of police or other first responders?

              2)If not, what is she doing ?
              3)The last issue which I have not broached before is that ,one can not be against the COS or similar organization. and for a progressive liberal state .Am I wrong?

            • LongtimeLurker

              This comment is much more reasoned, nuanced and understandable than your original “drive-by”, imho.

              And I appreciate you sticking with it, although I still wish it hadn’t taken us so long to get here.

              Anyway, I don’t believe that Savannah is consciously preaching the items in your first point.

              I could explain what I think she might actually be trying to do, but the problem is some of it would just be my interpretation. And even on her clearly stated intentions I think you and I would disagree.

              And lastly, I’m not for a “progressive liberal state”. Because that’s essentially meaningless and doesn’t go far enough for my liking.

              I’m a Democratic Socialist (from decades before this election, just to be clear). And that philosophy doesn’t allow for Scientology’s overtly criminal activities while hidden behind a shield of religion. Or such activities hiding behind any shield; business, government or what have you.

              So I fail to see any unacknowledged conflict or hypocrisy on my part. Others may not have as robust a set of beliefs, you’d have to take it up with them individually.

            • David Arum

              Your philosophy does not allow for Scientology’s overtly criminal activities ,but governments do .The laws governing tax-exempt organizations are very strict for most people,and organizations,and the word “overtly ” as in Scientology’s “overtly” criminal activities is the plain English definition ,not the Scientology definition.There are are numerous exceptions which the COS takes advantage of including IRS code ,State Attorney General Charity Laws,and “black letter law ” concerning the IAS.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You talk about “governments” as if the semi-functioning messes we’ve had up until now are the best humanity can hope for.

              And as if Democratic Scoialism couldn’t possibly do better.

              An opinion to which you’re entitled but with which I don’t agree at all.

              And personally I think the legal definition of overtly should be brought more into line with the plain English.

              But that won’t happen in any of the (non-Scandinavian) Western democracies any time soon.

            • David Arum

              You do have me pegged in the first sentence .My solution is to bind government tightly by Constitutional mandates ,so that it can’t grant privileges ,exclusions,abatements, concessions,subsidies ,or any lawful inequality to citizens or organizations.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, I’d say we’re diametrically opposed on what we want from an “ideal” government.

            • David Arum

              It is good that we have understanding .

        • LongtimeLurker

          Great. So you didn’t really answer my question, which surprises me…hmmm…not at all.

          But anyway…let’s say for the sake of moving this along that your opinions on this are exactly the same as facts

          Her ministry will hurt a lot of people (some unwillingly?) how, exactly?

          Could you spell it out please, so there’s no confusion.

          • kemist

            Uhm, I are moar confused about the people who will be hurt willingly.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ahhh…he’s saying some will join up and have their “idiotic” anger at “white privilege” stoked, but they’ll know it’s “not true”.

              And then they’ll get shot.

              …I imagine.

            • kemist

              Okayyyy…

              But on what planet does joining a protest, even a violent one, means you’re willing to get hurt ?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wait…let’s not give him too much credit.

              Is he talking about joining a protest or just listening to her?

              I thought it was the latter.

          • Shorter David Arum: “Won’t someone think of white men for once?”

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol/cry

            • Observer
            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m the kind of white man that thinks “if I’m unhappy, and I’m the top of society’s heap, what kind of hell must others be suffering?”

              Then there’s that other kind of white man who thinks “I’m unhappy, it must be the fault of someone who is different to me.”

              Yes, that was me bragging about what kind of white man I am.

            • Observer

              You are like most white men I know. I stay out of the circles which contain the others when possible.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, all my friends are the same.

            • ExCult.Jan

              PerfeKKKt.

          • David Arum

            The word “facts” as you are using it is a cult-term and doesn’t have much meaning ..My opinion is delusions of “white privilege” and police bigotry are destructive to the mental health ,and economic and social well-being of black people .Also your opinion that we should be in a perpetual state of riot and anarchy I disagree with strongly.

            • LongtimeLurker

              So for those keeping score, here’s what Dave considers a reasonable way to argue his point.

              1- five responses, all except the last of which dodged my original, simple question of how she will get people hurt.

              2- HE decided what MY definition of “facts” is, without knowing me.

              3- HE decided that I think the US should be in a perpetual state of anarchy and rioting. Interesting since not only did I not say that today, in fact I said the opposite yesterday.

              Don’t tell me what I think Dave.

              You’re not very good at thinking yourself, so you don’t get to have an opinion on my inner thoughts.

        • Jimmy3

          Sounds like you didn’t just subscribe to idiocy, you went ahead and got the VIP Deluxe Package. That comes with a Klan Kalendar, right?

          • LongtimeLurker

            Go check his comment history.

            It’s pretty great.

          • kemist

            I think you have to prove you’re inbred for that, but I may be wrong.

          • David Arum

            Wow, you are a Brainiac.You think too much it will give you a headache .

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, well you suck at insulting people. Because you’re a dumb poopheady jerk.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Trufax.

            • David Arum

              Evidently you are not following my suggestions .

        • ithilien

          in your comment history you describe trump as possibly a “hero of feminism.” with that in mind, id say your viewpoint is decidedly skewed to the white and right. if you have any additional information about why her ministry is or will be harmful, you should express those thoughts freely. dropping innuendos and skipping out is a very suspect tactic. I’m not viewing her a hero to be lauded, just someone with a start up ministry whose base is one very popular youtube video. i have no other information re her intents or actions, and i assume nothing about her intentions for her ministry or why she backed off her sci connection. i encourage you to share your insights, if any, and validate your previous comments.

          • David Arum

            Her preachments if taken to heart would be injurious and don’t serve any positive purpose .

          • David Arum

            Are you over ten years old ? A delusion that some one who has privilege is preventing a person from success is very convenient for a sick head .Also it doesn’t require many people distrusting police to eliminate all police activity from a neighborhood. Sovereign immunity prevents police from being sued or sanctioned against for nonperformance.

        • kemist

          Well, of course anyone who fights for their right puts themselves at risk when there are violent racists around.

          Means they should lie down and accept the shit that rains on them ? Think that’ll work ? Maybe you should read a bit of history.

          • David Arum

            The violent racists in this day and age are mythological.The government is keeping people in poverty and making their situation worse.

            • kemist

              First, I’d be interested in how getting shot with a bag of skittles in your hands because you happen to have black skin in “mythological”.

              Second, you’ve got the wrong target.

              The government did not shift your jobs overseas… The corporations did. Those same corporations that evade taxes in the US and elsewhere, shifting the burden of taxes on all of you, and defunding government services like public education.

              Government services which normally would create, you know, good jobs.

              You guys have been fucked royally by those corporations. Now you’ll deregulate even more and give them even more power.

              There is one thing you will soon have to realize : when the government becomes smaller, something takes its place, and it’s not the people. Well, technically it’s people, but it’s a very select few. Those few don’t give a single shit what happens to you.

              That’s not to say your government should control everything, but it should control enough things to protect you.

              Trump (or anyone else) won’t be bringing any job back. No matter how you slash your benefits and grovel. The corporations don’t hire people when they get more of your money – they hire them when they need them and have skills they can make money out of.

              If you don’t wake up soon, you’ll have to get medieval on their asses at some point, and that won’t be good for anybody.

            • David Arum

              The government precisely shifts your jobs overseas ,uses education as CETA programs for union teachers ,and pursues anti-employment and anti-production policies .But what is more important is that progressive government policies support the COS or similar organizations which would become bureaus of the federal government if there would be a movement into socialism.

            • kemist

              You’re mistaken.

              The governments of many countries, including mine, have more socialistic policies… And this did not happen.

              As for the CoS, for instance, it is much less powerful here than it is in the US. For instance, our government acted on David Love’s complaints about Narconon – it’s been shut down by the ministry of health. Cults leave my left-leaning province because they cannot do everything they want here – we enforce child protection and labor laws.

              On your side, Narconon is still very much alive, despite deaths happening there and the SO is allowed to treat people (some of them children) like slaves.

          • David Arum

            As far as anyone knows ,he was resisting arrest and thus tempting death.

    • MarcabExpat

      Why? How is she “exquisitely destructive”? What an interesting phrase to use there.

      • chukicita
        • LongtimeLurker

          Did you spell that last word right?

        • David Arum

          Gee ,you are intelligent!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Interesting insight here.

            You’re responding to hour old comments that you find insulting, but not my question from 30 minutes ago that asked you for a clarification of your statement.

            • David Arum

              The woman deals in fantasies and lies ,fantasies and lies don’t have weight or measurement ,thus there is no possible data or facts attendant to them .

            • LongtimeLurker

              That wasn’t my question.

              What question are you even answering?

              Are you okay? Might be time for a lie down.

          • MarcabExpat

            A punctuation tip for you: never insert a space between a word and the comma/period/question mark/exclamation point/colon/semicolon that follows it.

            • David Arum

              Thank you,I will try to keep it mind.

        • MarcabExpat

          Yeah, I know, I’m just stuck indoors on a freezing sunny Sunday morning and feel like playing a little “fetch” before returning to the actual work I’m postponing 🙂

      • David Arum

        She is counseling people to injure themselves and others .

        • MarcabExpat

          You didn’t actually supply any information. What is she counseling that is destructive? And who are the “not willing participants” that she is counseling? Are you saying that she is holding people against their will? You need to be more clear, your statements are so vague that they say nothing. You may have valid points, but you need to make them not sound like smears, because around here we have good radar for baseless smears.

          • David Arum

            If a person is counseled that his/her personal failings are the result somebody else’s social privileges ,that person is set for disaster as are any people involved with that individual..If people are counseled that police are prejudiced against them and they are in a concentrated area ,the police and other first responders are deterred from action because they civil servants have sovereign immunity and suffer no jeopardy for inaction.

    • gtsix

      Your statement is exquisitely moronic.

      • David Arum

        You are projecting.

        • gtsix

          I said your statement, not you.

          Stop insulting me David. That is fucking rude.

          Now apologize like an adult.

          • David Arum

            I don’t want to be “fucking rude “. Please tell me what is so obviously positive about the woman’s message that only a moron wouldn’t see it.

      • David Arum

        It takes one to know one.

        • gtsix

          Again you make no fucking sense. I commented on your statement, not upon you. Yet you keep making this personal, as if I mocked you. I did not, yet your continue to do so. Buy a clue dude.

          • David Arum

            Mocking me or my statement is not the end of the world for either of us,and I don’t mean you any harm .I didn’t think of my statement as anything but a part of a game .I am sorry for offending you .

    • pluvo

      One of your comments a day ago at townhall .com:

      “Biden should ride on a notched rail after being painted with tar and rolled in feathers”

      I guess you are here to push your right-wing agenda.

      PS: another comment: “Man-caused climate change is balderdash”.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Did you see the one he repeated 5 or 6 times in various places?

        “Trump shouldn’t have met with Obama.”

        Nope. No racism here.

      • David Arum

        I am libertarian ,I don’t care for government at all.So I really don’t have an agenda.

      • David Arum

        My agenda in this argument is alert people to stop government policies which support the COS and other similar organizations .

    • ExCult.Jan

      Damn, I love that Discus has a Block User button to weed out trolls.

      • David Arum

        It has to used judiciously or it takes away all the fun .

  • nottrue

    Great work Mr Keller. You pointed Savanna towards reseach

  • Nice move Keller…Nice move!

  • Elizabeth Lavet

    When the Church of Scientology tells me false statements to get me into their business in order to sell me, they are robbing me of my Human Rights. It is my right to be fully informed and make up my own mind. When they grill me on their e-meter about whether I have ever heard or said anything negative about Scientology, they are instilling in me the fear to inform myself, telling me I must not. It is my human right to be fully informed. When they fail to educate their own Sea Org. children with a well rounded education they are robbing them of their rights to be informed. When they teach all their people to not fully look and listen they are encouraging and practicing abuse of Human Rights, the right to be informed. When asked if they believe in GOD and they answer yes, they are prevaricating the truth, hiding it from the questioner, as they know their definition of GOD is not the same as the one asking them the question. They are robbing you of your human right to be fully informed as to where your money and time is going. When, as strangers, they locked me in a room at night telling me I would not be allowed to leave until I signed giving them money, demanding I sign, they were violating my human right of free unencumbered choice. and the list goes on.

    • chukicita

      The last half of this recent Bunker article did a great job of illustrating the ways Scientology, Inc. works against human rights – specifically those listed in the UN charter that they distribute through the front group Youth for Human Rights: http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/04/florida-ag-pam-bondi-hosting-human-rights-event-at-human-rights-abuser-scientologys-hq/

      (The first half has to do with Pam Bondi’s appearance at the Ft H)

      • Elizabeth Lavet

        Good Grief, the UN charter they distribute talks about the mandatory education but Scientology take children out of education and put them to work as staff, pre-seaorg.. Thanks for this link, it is well worth a second look.

    • chukicita

      I just shudder when I hear folks talk about how they were locked in and not allowed to leave an event until they gave some money!

      One’s right to freedom of religion ends when it trespasses on another’s right to informed consent. When a religion has a scripture that teaches lying as a sacrament (TR-L), how can it earn the trust of a community?

  • chukicita

    For all its purported commitment to human rights, Scientology doesn’t seem to care about thetan rights.

    I’ve wondered for a long time – what happens to Body Thetans after they are discharged from your human body through Scientology processing?

    Do they fly aimlessly around, searching out another human body on which to attach? Is it really a responsible thing to do, to clean something off your body and then leave a mess for others to clean up?

    Are they hurting, in need?

    Why don’t they matter? Why doesn’t anyone care?

    • Katy_Lied

      Isn’t it a zero sum game? Auditing expels body thetans and they fly around eventually to attach to some other hapless wog. How will the planet ever be cleared when your -1 BT becomes my +1 BT?

      • kemist

        Yeah, aren’t thetans immortal ?

        This thing’s not very well thought out, IMO.

        Or perhaps it is : they’d never run out of BTs to audit.

        • chukicita

          The only thetans they care about are ones that have bank accounts. How MESTy.

        • ze moo

          You just delineated OT15, the $cience Reveled. So far, only Lron and Davy Miscreant have reached that level. Your reward, take 200 Way to Happiness booklets and distribute them today. That will be $485 please.

      • LongtimeLurker

        HOW DARE YOU WITH YOUR LOGIC AND EMPATHY AND MATH?!?!

    • We need to create more awareness of the discrimination of BT’s by the Cult of Scientology https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/347e0bf5984974bf7ebc3f9677d16eb56e2dcb40eec722ce38f54dffb7d1556c.jpg

      • But as i understand it, they are not exactly a minority!

        • chukicita

          They’re not the 1 per cent.

    • noseinabk

      Maybe we should create a Pokemon Go type game to rescue them. Thetans, Gotta Catch Em All!

      • kemist

        Can we make them fight ?

        Maybe some of them have superpowers and shit. Would explain why no Oatee has any – they got rid of the ones that have them.

        • noseinabk

          Mmmmm… I don’t know how much fun it would be to watch them fight over parking spaces and pretend to be gods.

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            Don’t forget all the red lights they change!

      • chukicita

        This is the best idea I’ve heard all day.

      • MarcabExpat

        Holy shit, this should totally be an app!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      That’ll be addressed in Oatee 9&10 – you’ll spend years trying to contact and audit those former BT’s to increase their tone level! (You’re welcome DM!)

      • chukicita

        LOL! You could make them the 9th dynamic 😳

  • cdub

    Savanna Hartman, smart lady. Safe Pointing is down one point.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Oh she’s been safe-pointed, just not the way CO$ had hoped! And I agree with you 100% – smart lady!

  • nottrue
  • noseinabk

    We see so many that go along with the cult for personal gain and attention that it is heartening to see people with the intelligence and integrity to understand why it is so wrong.
    Well done Savanna!

  • nottrue

    Words of Wisdom… https://youtu.be/v715OPK-SHc

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T
    But oh how topical.
    Finally they have names:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-deportees-guthrie-20130710-dto-htmlstory.html

    Woody’s song, sung by Arlo:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2eO65BqxBE

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Thank you Tony for speaking to Savanna Hartman. Education is vital!

    Thank you Savanna for due diligence into this ‘cherch’ and blessings on your continued good work.

    • gtsix

      Rod, not Tony.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Zod, not Brony.

        • gtsix

          Cod, not pony.

          • iPod, not Sony.

            • gtsix

              God, not Semicolony

            • Chabad, not Mulroney.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Correction: Thank you Rod for speaking with Savanna Hartman. Thank you Tony for printing it.

  • Phil Jones

    Great article by Rod Keller. Good for Savanna Hartman for doing her research. If she continues researching on it she’s in for a wild ride. Scientology abuses are legion.

    The stated purpose by Scientology for these front groups is to safepoint (make well thought of) and expand Scientology. There is no benevolence in them.

    With Scientology, just their practice of ‘disconnection’ is terrible enough. They’ve broken up thousands of families and continue to do so. We haven’t seen or heard from our kids, who are in Scientology, for some years now. Scientology wouldn’t even let us get a message to them about a death in the family recently.

    Scientology has no regard for the rights of others. They are only interested in their own agenda, and to them the end justifies the means, which includes whatever abuses they perpetrate on those they perceive to stand in their way.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’m so sorry for the loss of your family member, Phil.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Phil – so sorry to hear of your recent loss, my condolences. I can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to not even be able to get a msg to your kids regarding the death of a loved one. Extra prayers for your family today!

  • Elizabeth Lavet

    People, in their attempt and strong desire to do something good or get a worthy message out, are tempted to ignore bad things, especially when those things seem removed somewhat. The craziness of The Church of Scientology, as WE all know, is that they themselves are some of the worst violators of human rights and use some front groups to improve their image without changing their true substance themselves and make contacts to get people into their buildings to sell them. They contradict themselves right and left. They do one thing and say another, many, many timesI was a CASA volunteer. I became aware that the man dressing as a clown, doing balloon animals for our events, was miss-using his contact with people in crisis on a crisis hotline he volunteered for. I reported him to my supervisor, the crisis hotline, and the military where he had top secret clearance. At first the CASA group stopped using him, but with time, they reasoned that they would watch him closely and since his offenses involved adults at the crisis hotline, not children, they would still use him as a clown making balloon animals for the children. I had left by this time.I just hoped that the crisis hotline did not also lower their standards. Even people with good intentions can be conflicted. We have seen, through articles here at the Bunker, where government organizations, given the task of drug education, through grants or their own directives, have relied on the Scientology drug groups to more easily fullfill their mission. Some of the groups using Scientology associated programs, like the school and service organization, reported on here at the Bunker, believe the Scientologist(s) are doing a really good job. Deciding where we draw the line as individuals and a society is difficult sometimes, especially when dealing with a misleading and contradictory organization such as Scientology.I appreciate the efforts of Tony Ortega to gently and professionally make people aware that Scientology connected organizations they are associating with might need further thought.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “Pat Harney (center in the photo below) is a member of Scientology’s secret police – the Office of Special Affairs, and works in a variety of public relations roles.”

    Deb Maxwell is a Florida Christian who has been protesting regularly at Flag in Clearwater recently. Pat Harney has been keeping a close eye on Deb and showed up at Deb’s church recently with another Scientologist called Jennifer.

    “They followed us outside after service. Pat wanted to talk reach a compromise. I told her we do not compromise with evil. The other did the intimidation staring thing I stared back till she averted her eyes.” – Deb

    Here is a video of Pat Harney accusing Deb of psychiatric abuses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQgwJ_v4Az0&feature=youtu.be

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Here is another video Deb took of Pat Harney who says she has tried to contact Deb’s pastor.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt0jolCoOxM

      • Captain MustSavage

        You really have to admire people who have the courage to get out and engage in peaceful protest. What I notice as always is the aggressive way scientologists act. Secondly, this video further confirms my belief that one needs to be well informed to engage in discussion with a scientologist and be able to quote specifics, and in the same token, be able to press the scientologist for specifics. E.g. Pat the scientologist said all court cases against Scientology are thrown out. It would have been great to hear Deb challenge that by quoting cases that hadn’t – off the top of my head:
        – the Time magazine Church of Greed case,
        – the Wollersheim case that resulted in a multimillion dollar payout and the OTIII material going public,
        – the ongoing de Crescenzo case which has survived multiple attempts to shut it down and revealed that priest penitent privilege doesn’t apply to case folders as over 200 people have access to folders, and that revealed a 12 yr old child was punished for missing her parents,
        – the Debbie Cook case which Scientology initiated then humiliatingly had to settle as court testimony about the hole was just too damaging.
        – anyone know any others?

        Specifics are Scientology kryptonite. Apply liberally in all interactions.

        • Bob Crouch

          I noticed the same thing. Of course, I don’t know if I would have done any better in the heat of the moment, even though I am well familiar with all of those court cases.

          While yours is a good observation, I’m not sure that I agree that specifics are scn kryptonite. For the simple reason that they adhere to the “never defend, always attack” maxim. So had Deb cited those facts, I suspect Pat would have simply changed subjects or switched to personal accusations and slander. After all, Pat is demented enough to accuse Deb of imaginary psychiatric abuses of the worst order. In my experience, scilons don’t care one bit about facts. If they did, they would be unable to remain in the cult.

          In any event, I whole-heartedly agree with your observation that it is indeed best to have your facts ready. Facts beat generalities such as “you guys are an evil cult” anytime.

          • Captain MustSavage

            I think you make some great points and that sadly, you are very probably correct.

        • All court cases thrown out?

          While the lie isn’t unexpected, it’s nonetheless egregious.

          In France, the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology was convicted (the organisation, in addition to individual employees/members) of organised criminal fraud. One of the arguments tried by the lawyers for the Co$ was “see, it says ‘church’ over the door, so my client cannot – by definition – be on trial for fraud.” All French courts and then the European Court of Human Rights (highest jurisdiction) found against the organisation.

          https://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-paris-trial-coverage-2009-2013.html

          Oh, and Pat Harney probably knows the French $cientologist Jean-Jacques M (ahemm!) who was convicted of manslaughter of Patrice VIC in Lyon France and who was rumoured to have gone to Clearwater to spend the rest of his considerable personal gains (moneys for $cientology courses were paid to his persona bank account..). The conviction was upheld in all applicable courts in France.

          http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/Patrice_Vic_31/

          • Captain MustSavage

            Wow, of course, yes, the French convictions, how could I have forgotten those? Didn’t France also convict Lafayette of fraud in absentia at some point?

      • dungeon master

        Sitting, drinking coffee and reading the Bunker, and reacting to that clip.. Pat said ‘Jesus was all about love..’ What about him calling out the slut shamers? (he who is without sin cast the first stone) What about him upending the tables of the money lenders? Jesus protested wrongs he saw. He cured a leper.. not the undeliverable cures Scientology promises. (I know it’s easy to second guess someone when you’re not there in that face to face conversation, and I probably would have blanked then lol.) She really is good at being present and engaging them in a friendly manner. Sounds like a genuinely good person.

        • Bob Crouch

          Jesus overturned the tables of the money changers (regges) because they were exploiting people’s faith in God for their own monetary ends. I’ve often wondered how long Jesus would last in a “C”o$ org before he would be evicted by security goons and declared SP.

          • dungeon master

            Good one, Bob! I couldn’t think of a correlation when I was typing, but you have exactly the right equivalent in ‘regges’. VWD! There are so many other examples – do good to those who Persecute you not Fair Game them. And to treat the least of us well, not turn up your noses and call them DBs. Edit for tablet which sends whenever it feels like it.. And Fn auto correct.

          • It would likely lead to an interesting court case.
            “And did you characterise my client’s Church as a ‘den of thieves’?

        • Hierophant2

          Stop calling women sluts, you misogynistic asshole.

          • dungeon master

            Read it again. I did not call anyone a slut. I said Jesus called out the slut shamers (who wanted to stone Mary Magdalene for being a prostitute) by saying he who is without sin cast the first stone.

    • Phil Jones

      Good for Deb Maxwell in getting out to protest Scientology abuses.

      • (((dagobarbz)))

        1. Local.
        2. Cult will fuck with you, lurk outside your home, try to get you evicted or fired. Harass your kids.
        3. Protesting a cult that probably has your deepest and darkest written down and stored somewhere can be dicey.
        4. Threat of disconnection

        Well, I could go on, but you get the idea.

        • Phil Jones

          True.

      • chukicita

        There’s a lot of fear among the locals, I think.

    • LongtimeLurker

      That staring thing is lame as ****.

      They need to stop it.

      • flyonthewall
      • (((dagobarbz)))

        I like it! I once stared down Abelson from across the street by the LRH museum in Hollywood.
        He tried, but years of boring math classes made me a master at staring contests.
        Another fun alternative, pull out dark glasses so they can’t see your eyes and just point your face in their direction. They’ll never know if they won or not.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’m happy when SPs do it.

          I just feel kinda embarrassed for the Scientologists who think it’s so all-powerful.

          • (((dagobarbz)))

            It’s one of the things that makes them seem weird.
            That, and valences. Changing emotional tone from one sentence to the next, it’s weird with a beard. People are often knocked off-kilter by that tactic and wonder later what happened. 🙂

            • chukicita

              It just confirms the crazy.

            • MarcabExpat

              I saw Mike Rinder do this, in Clearwater. It was fleeting but unmistakeable, and startling. I’m firmly in the Mike Rinder Fan Camp, but at that moment what crossed my mind was damn, mofo still has his TRs in. Decades of training like that can’t just wash away with no effort, and I wonder if he was even conscious of it. It wasn’t that he was saying anything insincere or disingenuous, he was just getting a point across.

              [ETA I mean last year, at Tony’s book event.]

            • gtsix

              There’s a camp? No one tells me anything around here!

            • LongtimeLurker

              They learn how to weave Rinders out of reeds. And they have egg and Rinder races. And Rinder Gliding.

              White water Rindering.

              At night they roast Rinders over bonfires.

              You’d like it.

            • MarcabExpat

              Oh yah it’s great, but you live the rugged life — BYOC. (Bring Your Own Caek)

            • gtsix

              Damn, I only have muffins. Next year!

            • MarcabExpat

              I’m not supposed to tell you this ahead of time, but first-years have to perform an a capella solo of “We Stand Tall.” Mike really likes it if you add a little finger-snapping swagger to it. Whatever you do though do NOT wear a Hermes sweater when you climb up on the picnic table to sing.

            • gtsix

              Ahhhheem… oh la la la… I’ll start practicing.

              Do I bring my own apple box?

            • MarcabExpat

              No, we will supply a trash can for you to stand in.

            • gtsix

              But… I am a perverted homo.

              Damn… at least I can confess quickly. That’s good, because I don’t really like air conditioning.

            • MarcabExpat

              Not to worry. At Mike’s Fan Camp, you’ll be a *perfect* homo and the only confessions involve a bottle of Macallan’s and the words “Never Have I Ever.”

            • gtsix

              Well that’s me screwed. I don’t like scotch… and the “I never”… I end up just guzzling. Damn my well lived life.

            • MarcabExpat
            • Jenyfurrrrr

              I’m literally sitting here cracking up (& up-voting) as I’m reading your back & forth! Thank you two for a funny afternoon!

          • Bob Crouch

            It is pretty embarrassing considering that most folks outgrow the staring thing during their teen years at the latest.

        • dungeon master

          Thanks for the tip!

        • I paint eyeballs on my eyelids.
          When you blink you’re still staring.

        • Bob Crouch

          From ACROSS the street you did? Wow! That’s true OT stuff, at cause, the whole nine yards and nine lives! Congratulations! You deserve a dinner plate SP Medal of Freedom.

          • (((dagobarbz)))

            With diamonds? I want one like Tom Cruise got… for my Halloween pirate costume! 😀

            • Bob Crouch

              Like a rhinestone cowboy…

      • MarcabExpat

        The OT Death Stare was my first up-close in person encounter with Scientology, in 1993. Freaked me the fuck out and inoculated me permanently against any lure of the organization (or would have, if I hadn’t already known about them via Richard Behar.)

        They truly are their own worst enemy. I mean, everybody is their own worst enemy. But Scientology has well and truly taken being one’s own worst enemy to a higher plane of art.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Foot bullets.

        • gtsix

          Yeah, I got the stare a few years back when explaining to the gays that they consider us 1.1s. (Standing at 16th & P watching the pride parade) I couldn’t stop giggling, it was just to amusingly creepy. Stare giggle stare giggle. I got him to break by offering him some beads, he broke by looking at the beads. Giggle. He wouldn’t take the beads though.

          • LongtimeLurker

            The weirdest part of that is not taking the beads, imho.

            • gtsix

              Well… to be fair to him, that would have been out exchange. But I bet his BTs wanted them.

            • LongtimeLurker

              : )

          • MarcabExpat

            You realize if you were In, you could claim this in your stats as a Big Win.

        • I have encountered it just the once.

          Strangely, it came from a woman stepping out of Plymouth Org in quite polite circumstances.

          I was walking towards the place, along the very narrow pavement (sidewalk) and she suddenly emerged. I stepped aside into a doorway, to let her pass, and she looked at me and nodded in acknowledgement.

          Thing is, she must have just just finished practising herTRs, because that brief look came over to me as very unsettling ‘thousand yard stare’ which you cannot describe until you have experienced it.

          It’s not intimidating at all – you actually worry about the state of mind of anyone who can switch such a thing on. (especially when they are not even aware they are doing it, or the impression it gives).

          I suppose, while we are repelled by the apparent loss of humanity, they interpret out reaction as evidence that they are just too powerful for us to cope with .

          • MarcabExpat

            “It’s not intimidating at all” – ah, but as you said, the lady was not focusing on you or trying to intimidate you. If someone is confronting you with it (or worse, following you around with it), it can feel like you just stepped into a slasher movie.

            • I was recently started at (and was the subject of more video footage in an few minutes than in my entire previous life) outside Saint Hill Manor.

              It was very low-key, however – Sea Org ‘officers’, all dressed up as security guards, staring at you and talking into radios, when they weren’t pointing a camera. Always almost daring you to cross the boundary line.

              That was after being photographed in East Grinstead town centre by utterly inept ‘agents’ who denied everything when politely asked. In one case, a bloke carrying a camera fitted with a telephoto lens the size of a field mortar claiming he had taken it with him shopping, and was shooting pictures of the interesting protest he had just happened upon from across the road.

              The impression I got was that, in their minds, these people were engaged on an important and dramatic mission, and genuinely didn’t realise how stupidly obvious they were, nor how ineffective. It was difficult to take them seriously.

              In the situation outside Saint Hill, there was a phalanx of professional security guards and two amused coppers between protesters and Scientologists. I imagine in situations where you are in direct confrontation (which I have not experienced) things can get a little more fraught – but how much of that is normal human reaction to direct confrontation and how much is due to ‘the stare’?

              Perhaps it only works if you play their game and react to it. Perhaps that was the power of the ‘Anonymous’ approach – to simply refuse to take such an ineffective ‘weapon’ seriously.

              Having said that, I don’t really know – they are few opportunities to experience it now, in the UK. On a previous occasion, Scientologists simply locked the doors of the London Org and hid in a back room until everyone went away. They just don’t do much confrontation, that I’ve seen.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Excellent example of how they are trained by GO/OSA.
      Great video, thank you Deb, so much!

    • Newiga

      Creepy…. *shudders*

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I absolutely love and bless Deb for her courage to speak the truth and openly talk with the members.

    • (((dagobarbz)))

      Yeah, that is such a time-waster, which is of course the point of the whole exercise.
      “Compromise?” Yeah, Ken Hoden wanted to do that with us at Gold Base.
      I pointed out that neither party had any authority to do anything, so thank you but no thank you.

      • chukicita

        Was that the time when he wanted you to come eat breakfast, and was trying to get you to smell the good food cooking — when he really wanted to divert you from the horror of Moxon’s daughter, who had just been electrocuted at the base?

        • (((dagobarbz)))

          Yep, the very same. Hoden’s line was taking us into town for breakfast at Dennys. It was Dufresne who tried to lure us on base with promises of fragrant feasts that could only be smelled by OTs.

          • chukicita

            Yikes. When I imagine the only cooking meat aroma that could have been wafting at the time was Moxon.

            • gtsix

              Ouch, harsh. True but harsh.

            • chukicita

              At the time we thought it was pretty harsh, too. They were desperate to get wogs off property while they were still coming up with a shore story and getting the body out.

    • Phil Jones

      A Scientology compromise means everything for them and nothing for you.

      • Bob Crouch

        You let me keep mine and I’ll let me keep yours.

    • dungeon master

      It occured to me that this is what you get, when you only get your information from one place. Certainty on ignorance and a very limited world view. And here’s the thing – she’s OSA, so I think she’s more aware of other sources than other scibots, but there’s the fanatics gleam in her eye, shining skin of a martyr. A classic Stepford Scientologist.

    • Chee Chalker

      I wish she would have accepted that Freedum magazine! Just for the yuks

    • madame duran

      Deb Maxwell is a Florida Christian who has been protesting regularly at Flag in Clearwater recently. Pat Harney has been keeping a close eye on Deb and even showed up at Deb’s church recently with another Scientologist called Jennifer.
      “They followed us outside after service. Pat wanted to talk reach a compromise. I told her we do not compromise with evil. The other did the intimidation staring thing I stared back till she averted her eyes.”

      JESUS A-READY FUH YA, CULT!!!!!!
      SATAN NEEDS TO TAKE SEVERAL SEATS AND ACCEPT THE HEAVENLY MIC DROP THAT LANDED ON HIS HEAD.

      *goes back to re-read text in bold*

      Anyone know the coding trick to make text appear in a different colour? It sounds like something Jesus would say. I want this statement framed.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Thanks for sharing. Deb is a brave warrior. Respect!

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Good work, Rod!

  • flyonthewall

    Rod is tha man
    The man with the plan
    I like Rod
    He is good

    Watch out Pan, there’s a new poet in town

    • Jimmy3

      Where is he? Are you going to introduce us to him?

      Watch out Triumph, there’s a new insult comic dog in town

      • flyonthewall

        hey, I think Flylady is trying to poison me by putting arthritis in my food or possibly injecting me with diabetes while I sleep. I need help.

        • Jimmy3

          That’s horrible. That poor woman must be losing so much sleep having to wait for you to fall asleep. Is she alright?

          • flyonthewall

            what? I..don’t know, I think. I will ask ok thnx

        • (((dagobarbz)))

          I’m pretty sure you can’t eat arthritis, you have to smoke it. Or is that something else?

    • Eivol Ekdal
      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        RIP Rik Mayall, you daft bugger 🙂

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Savanna Hartman is fabulous. If we had more Savannas in this world it would be a kinder place.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Hear, hear! Good on Rod.

    • Whenever you finally see, really see, an injustice at a level where it can’t be unseen, it’s often agonizing. Especially when you see how that injustice has benefited you for most of your life. Ultimately, after the tears and shame, comes the possibility for a greater sense of humanity.

      • Draco

        ^^^^^^

  • Smart decision by Savanna Hartman. Congrats on sharing information with Hartman and helping her to better understand who and what she is dealing with regarding “human rights” per Scientology. Sykes is probably a hopeless pawn and really doesn’t care — no matter what documentation you present to him.

  • People react all funny when they find out Scientology is involved.

    Tie to rights march wasn’t revealed April 7, 2007, Meg Laughlin, St. Petersburg Times

    • Harpoona Frittata

      They sure do! And many thanks to both Both Rod and Tony for their ongoing efforts to “unsafepoint” the community opinion leaders that $cn has targeted for their various stealth campaigns to smuggle $cn in through the backdoor.

      Although $cn and its top leadership have not been convicted in a court of law for the felony crimes of physical assault, false imprisonment, human trafficking, etc. that have been alleged, the numerous credible accounts of serious human rights abuses, such as coerced abortion and enforced familial disconnection, that the cherch refuses to substantively address make use of the word “alleged” no longer a requirement for fair reporting, imo.

  • (((dagobarbz)))

    Boy, just wait until she finds out about the abuses in the Sea Org and at Gold Base! No doubt she’ll come across the picture by Angry Gay Pope of the security blades topping the fences at Gold.
    Wonder what she’ll think of that…

  • Youth for Human Rights Florida: No such company.

    It was a fictitious business name for United for Human Rights, but that expired in 2015.
    http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/ficidet.exe?action=DETREG&docnum=G10000081829&rdocnum=G10000081829

    Gracia Bennish is their agent of service in Florida, and she has ‘super wide-angle lens’ vision with ‘colors turned up vibrantly’:
    Category:United for Human Rights

    • LongtimeLurker

      “Super wide-angle lens vision with colors turned up vibrantly”

      I applaud Gracia for managing to make the concept and her grammar equally ludicrous.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Hahaha…forget about lauding Elron and Dm, (No) Gracia needs to pay homage to Dan Sherman there!

  • nottrue
    • Newiga

      Saying Scientology has a dark side implies it also has a “light side”. HAH!!!

      • pluvo

        The light side is what you encounter when you get sucked in and it is their PR. If you go on their sites you’ll see that too. I suggest everyone to do that occasionally brushing aside for a moment what they know from the “dark side” and view it from that point.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Excellent advice & great reminder for us all!

      • try not to use Logic. It hurts!

        • Newiga

          It’s the silver bullet to the Scientology werewolf. 😛 J&D too..

    • pluvo

      link: unlaid – the-dark-side-of-scientology-they-dont-want-you-to-see
      http://www.unilad.co.uk/featured/the-dark-side-of-scientology-they-dont-want-you-to-see/

  • I was looking as the staff of PostcardMania (actually Joy Rockwell Enterprises, Inc), and it’s so cute where they’ve replaced the pictures of people who’ve blown the company with “Now hiring” and “This could be you!” boxes. It’s easy to see which divisions have high turnovers. (It might be fun to scroll back through archive.org to see the changes over time.)

    http://www.postcardmania.com/maniacs

  • Observer

    2016’s body count now includes Leon Russell…RIP

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQbk2C4ZmsE

    • ze moo

      Leon was my fav recording artist around 1970. Sad bull is sad…

    • LongtimeLurker

      Screw off, 2016. No one likes you.

      • Hey 2016, eat a Snickers!

        • LongtimeLurker

          Oooh, that’s good! : )

    • He came around to a local place yearly. He would park his bus behind the place, and you could visit. Sadly I did not.
      Last time I saw him he came inching out very slowly using a walker. He finally made it, sat down, raised both hands over the keyboard, they came crashing down like lightning, and the music took off like a rocket.
      I believe his son was playing drums.
      Two of my favorites were “Hank Wilson’s Back ” recorded at Bradley’s Barn with the best in the business, and Hank Wilson Vol. III.
      I was living in a shack in Spruce Pine North Carolina in 1973, and the ol boys went wild for Hank Wilson.
      He went so far back, and forward..

    • Vaquera
    • Anony-Lurker

      Nice choices, believe it or not, I still have the vinyls somewhere in the garage.

    • Missionary Kid

      Some Leon Russell Trivia:

      William Gary Busey is an American actor. He appears on several Leon Russell recordings, credited as playing drums under the names “Teddy Jack Eddy” and “Sprunk”

      Leon Russell Bridges appeared on at least two Sinatra songs. He was a clean-cut session musician back then. He recorded under the name Russell Bridges.

  • Jenyfurrrrr

    Rod I’m really enjoying your Sunday reports very much! Great job! Also much respect for Ms. Hartman! I appreciate that she wanted to take time to research on her own. I also like that she noted she didn’t step away from speaking just because of what Rod said. Rid thanks for making so many more people aware of the abuses and SAFE pointing (for real) the safe pointed!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      ROD (sorry for butchering your name there at the end… Mom brain!)

  • ze moo

    From CNN: “Trump considering repeal of Obamacare on inauguration day.’

    Congress has to pass a bill or law to do that and they are not in session that day. Don’t let any bullshit stampede you into hopelessness or action. Bullshit is bullshit and the Trump transition will be rife with bovine excrement.

    I particularly love ‘Sarah Palin being considered for Secretary of the Interior’. Like someone who wants to hunt wolves from airplanes could do that. Drill baby drill? All the decent off shore places are either producing or have been found to be dry. And strip mining the national parks will never happen. It won’t happen without the army guarding any such attempt. And they’ll be too busy taking down ISIS.

    Keep Calm and Obama on.

    • Maybe trump will wake up one day and declare war on Alaska! Who knows?

      • LongtimeLurker

        “Alaska? That sounds foreign. Bomb it!”

        • yeah! it’s not on the map anyway!

      • Liberated

        Well, he’ll have Sarah Palin to the rescue.

    • Observer

      Trump’s administration:

      1. Is not going to be as great as he promised his supporters because he legally cannot does not have the power do much, if not most, of what he promised,

      2. is not going to be as horrible as he threatened his detractors because legally cannot does not have the power do much, if not most, of what he promised.

      He is subject to Constitutional checks and balances, as are all presidents, and cannot wipe out amendments or just write his own. He has been disavowed by quite a few Republicans in Washington. I do not think Congress is going to be the rubber stamp he thinks it will.

      ETA: As for the KKK and his other less savory supporters, law enforcement’s feet need to be held to the fire to enforce the law.

      • Anony-Lurker

        I agree with you, however we cannot sit back, primarily because of the hate he legitimized and unleashed…and this is not acceptable for anyone.

        I attended a protest on Wednesday and Friday and Saturday.The mood was palpable, Wednesday, it was more subdued and people were in shock and depressed. During the weekend it turned to anger and outrage. No violence. This is good because I felt the same, but also pretty isolated but seeing thousands yesterday helped a lot.

        My friend lives in Petaluma, part of northern California and a San Francisco Suburb. At the veterans day parade downtown, there were people holding up Confederate Flags. Only three, but the flag does not represent fallen confederate soldiers, it has a much darker meaning. This is the first time she saw such a thing, only 40 miles out of SF.

        • Observer

          I agree. We can’t be complacent toward the violence on either side.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Anony – I actually grew up in Sonoma County (Rohnert Park & Santa Rosa) and have family up there. That is sad and somewhat shocking to hear as it tends to be a very liberal area. Though I will say Petaluma in particular was known for being a place all the wannabe Cowboys and meatheads came from when I was in high school.

          I think, as divisive and dark as this election season has been, that it’s a good thing (to some degree) much of it happened. I say that only because this division and resentment has been bubbling for a long time but people chose not to see it. We are SO divided and people who think racism is a thing of the past or these small-minded attitudes are “not a big deal because most people aren’t like that” are being forced to wake up to the fact that this is a lie and we have SO much to work on as a nation and society! We’re not this enlightened, warm-fuzzy place many have liked to assume as we’re busy with our own lives keeping our heads in proverbial sand. We’ve become so “me me me” focused and worried about only what affects is personally. We don’t take care of our elderly, veterans, hell even our own parents & grandparents! It’s a scary time for sure but I think so many of us needed the slap in the face to wake up and see what’s really become of society while we’ve focused on “our own stuff” while not investing in our neighborhoods, communities, schools, etc. Maybe the best thing to come out of this election is to finally scare people into action?!?! All these things we’ve said and heard could “never actually happen” – the RE Bubble, another Great Depression, loss of freedoms, and most recently someone like Trump becoming president. Well it CAN happen and all these things HAVE happened so maybe more will actually step up & get involved instead of leaving it to the few who’ve been saying and doing this stuff for so long? I hope this can be the good from all this mess!

          • ze moo

            In the end, all elections are about the economy. 40k a year manufacturing jobs have been replaced with $10/hr Walmart jobs. Of course the electorate is scared. The Democrats used to be the party of working class. Bill and Hillary made it the party of Wall Street and Banks.

            Billary ignored the resentment that so many have for them. The Repubs got their payoff for 20 years of investigations. Whitewater and Vince Foster and Emails did them in. Well, lets see if they will step aside and let the Democratic Party reform. And reform is needed.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Somehow I missed your reply. You said it perfectly and I do hope we see reform on both sides of the political coin! And yep, I remember when Bill was campaigning and what made him such an attractive candidate and it was that he seemed to be the antithesis of what he and Hillary have now become!!!

        • Graham

          A friend of mine has relatives in Petaluma. Shocking to hear this.

        • ze moo

          Trumpys cohorts are saying get over an election 4 days past, when too many of their cohorts can’t get over a war that was 151 years ago.

          • Anony-Lurker

            ze moo
            Trump’s minions can kiss my ass

            (apologies to those offended by my language)

        • Mymy88

          Pffft, all the Trumpies on my Facebook are poo pooing the unrest, that it even exists much, and where it does exist, it’s going to be fiiiiinnneee, people are just getting it out of their system. They say Trump will give a speech and everybody will be all love and flowers and forgiveness and trust… justice will find a way.. don’t worry, be happy… it’ll all work out. That’s kind of what they are all saying.

          Have they not seen all the upheaval by the police related shootings in the months and months leading up to this election? And now they think with Trump it will get better????

          I feel like I’m losing my mind. People cannot possibly be this blind can they? I am going to be sick, truly, sick.

          • Anony-Lurker

            Mymy88

            That’s the most bizarre and amazing thing about this election and campaign. They were oblivious to everything, no matter what Trump said, they agreed, it didn’t matter how outlandish. You can’t discuss things with Trump supporters because they’ve drunk the Trump-Aid very deeply.Very much like Scientologists believing and agreeing to everything Hubbard wrote, no matter how out there it was. No room or ability to discuss. If their paradigm is even slightly threatened, they respond with blind anger.
            This is why I thought the Election and this blog had so much in common. Trump isms, Hubbard isms, Trump supporters, Scientologists. Cognitive dissonance?

            You comment about losing your mind struck me as I and people I know have been feeling the same way. I just keep telling myself that I’m sane and the rest are crazy. Going to the demonstrations helps a lot, I’ve realized how “not alone” I was.

            I really enjoy reading the Bunker blog and posts as this is one of the sanest groups of people around, we all have our quirks, but all in all it’s a comfort reading Pan’s Poetry or Andrea’s anger or some of the witty and really thoughtful posts etc.

            Repeat after me: We are sane, everyone else is crazy.

            • Mymy88

              Thank you so much for your words of comfort because I do truly feel like I’m losing my mind. You have helped me feel better. It could be worse. I can’t go to a protest though I would love nothing better. I’m going to try to plan on going to one soon. I just have obstacles but it’s not impossible. God what I need is a support group called “You are not crazy, we don’t trust Trump either”. lol.

            • Anony-Lurker

              Mymy88

              If you have Netflix, watch the last episode of Chelsea Handler. It’s a 1/2 hour of she and Barbara Boxer speaking….very cathartic.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Still glad I don’t Facebook.

      • Liberated

        Don’t ever underestimate the evil of Newt Gingrich and the other bad guys he’ll have as his cabinet.
        I heard one of the first order of business is undoing filibuster, he’ll slowly but surely remove all the checks and balances .
        Dictators and their henchmen do anything they want.

        • Observer

          The Cabinet doesn’t have much actual power, and you know the press and watchdog groups are going to be all over them. The Constitution was designed to prevent dictatorship. I don’t think Trump and his failed politician henchmen are going to be able to even think about circumventing it secretly.

          • Liberated

            We’ll see.

            • Observer

              As always when it comes to politics. lol

          • Robert Eckert

            I’m not impressed by the press this year.

      • ze moo

        When Obama got the parties nomination in 2008, he had to ‘bend the knee’ to Bill Clinton because Bill controlled the parties fundraising system. Something he and Hillary were very good at. Too bad that gave them a sense of entitlement that Hillary ran with and didn’t do her market research.

        Paul Ryan will be Trumps first and foremost brake. Too bad Ryan is a putz too. I have relatives from his district and my Dad was raised about 50 miles north of there. I expected ‘those people’ to have better judgement.

        The Washington Post has good take on Trumpy and ‘Obamacare’. I actually prefer the correct name, Affordable Care Act. Basically, it says that the main provisions and market ‘rules’ of the ACA have to stay the same. I would like to see more competition and provisions for working out competitive drug prices. But you have to be careful to not give the insurance companies too much power to run the medical practice of doctors and hospitals. I will not see something like the Catholic health network saying what procedures can and cannot be done.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/12/donald-trump-is-beginning-to-face-a-rude-awakening-over-obamacare/?tid=pm_pop

      • http://www2.nybooks.com/daily/s3/nov/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival.html

        (It’s too harsh on Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. They have to respect the rule of law.)

        • daisy

          depressing

      • madame duran

        Now there’s talk of Trump’s wall will be part-wall and part-fencing.

        • Kestrel

          Perhaps a nice hedge of rose bushes.

          • Graham

            Scientology could do him a nice line in shrub-tech.

          • Ella Raitch

            Yes, the odd shrubbery – I can see it now

        • Ben Franklin

          I am still waiting to hear how Trump is going to build this wall over rivers and other natural barriers. Is Trump going to force people to give up a portion of their property so that he can build his stupid wall? I bet you he never even gave it much of a thought. He just took the idea of building a wall and ran with it because it sounded effective but it is not very practical. Germany tore down their wall of hate, and Trump is planning to build a new one. How embarrassing and backward is that?

          • madame duran

            I am still waiting to hear how Trump is going to build this wall over rivers and other natural barriers. Is Trump going to force people to give up a portion of their property so that he can build his stupid wall?

            Ummm…you need to watch this to answer your question (start from 7:23 then go up to 12:05. If you have the time, I’d recommend that you watch the entire 18 minute video).

            https://youtu.be/vU8dCYocuyI?t=7m23s

            • daisy

              Thank you so much for posting this . I love his show but I don*t have cable.

        • kemist
    • Anony-Lurker

      As far as I’m concerned, Palin can be the secretary of Irrelevance-No One Cares, the secretary of Stupid or perhaps the secretary of How Not To Raise your Kids.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I wouldn’t even consider Sarah Palin for Secretary of Interior Decorating.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Well, it has its merits. By her presence, she gives reason for the argument that Trump is not necessarily the most unhinged, least qualified, least eloquent person in the room.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Good point.

  • joan nieman

    Clever girl, she does her research. If only the gossip rags did the same.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Tony…

    I want to thank you for your Twitter feed.

    More than usual.

    • gtsix

      I’m still trying to figure out what a cunk is.

      • If it’s from an alt-right source, it was probably cuck, short for cuckold. A peculiar insult from people who probably aren’t getting any themselves.

        • gtsix

          Ahh, thanks.

          • Thinking about it, it’s possible that cunk is their variant for insulting women. I’ve been chopping their channels out of my YouTube experience, so I haven’t been skimming the comments as much.

            • gtsix

              I shall defer to you, smarter than I could hope to be and you can always provide the dox. As always in awe of your knowledge and exception hard work.

              Thank you for being you.

            • gtsix

              And on that note: that was my first thought, replace the k with a c and… well, ya know, Tuesday.

            • gtsix

              Dammit, replace last K with a T not C.

              I am just not with it today.

  • Graham

    “the President’s Volunteer Service Award, named after President Obama, and Scientology is one of a number of Certifying Organizations empowered to bestow the award to community leaders.”

    WHAT?!?! Scientology is an official certifying organisation for something which bears the name of the President of the United States?! How the hell did that happen?

    [Apologies if it’s been covered down-thread but I’ve been out IRL today, walking amongst the trees of Real Oxford’s Wytham Woods]

  • What’sup

    A few days passed. I thought I might be ready to come back and wax lyrical on clams and gods and guns with ya”ll.

    I was wrong……Too soon.

    • Kestrel

      Sad, but true…

    • LongtimeLurker

      What’sup What’sup?

      Hug?

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      I’m sorry ‘Sup! I feel you – I’m definitely hoping for a cave where last Tuesday isn’t the primary topic. Hell, almost makes one wish Kim Kardashian was back in the news… Ok maybe not.

      • Jerseygram

        Lol!

    • flyonthewall

      I hear you. It wasn’t until Friday when I was ready to read a newspaper. Going to a protest today. Can’t let despair and fear drive me into a bubble.

  • BuberZionist

    Rev. Hartman did the right thing. I thank her.

  • Liberated

    I forget where I heard this….Trump never had a dog as a pet, or any animal.

    Makes sense to me.

    I’m pretty sure he considers the people that do love and care for an animal……..Losers!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Neither do his sons who proudly posed with their trophy African safari kills.

    • gtsix

      Oh he has a pet. Her name is Melania.

      (Yea, that was a bit bitchy. Sue me)

      • kemist

        That may be not so far from the truth.

        Poor Melania. I don’t envy her position.

        • Kestrel

          Oh, she’ll be fine. She’ll reach her sell-by date, he’ll dump her, she’ll get a truck of cash for the experience, and she’ll be fine.

        • Betty

          No it’s surely under him.

          • kemist

            Ewwww…

        • Ella Raitch

          She may be enjoying every minute of it Kemist

      • Princess Squishy

        that would be a frivolous lawsuit. That is right up Trump’s alley

    • Robert Eckert

      He doesn’t have any friends either.

  • Suzy

    Woo Hoo!

  • madame duran
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I heard he ran himself ragged trying to get to as many veterans services as he possibly could on Friday.

      HA!

    • ExCult.Jan

      Nor any of his kids.

    • And many vets fell for this weasel draft dodger.
      He didn’t even dodge for principle.

    • LongtimeLurker

      You go!

  • ExCult.Jan
    • /facepalm

      Most states have laws against Faithless Electors, and some will even void their votes. The electors are picked party faithful and besides, overturning an election that way would be extremely damaging.

      https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/electors.html

      • gtsix

        Agreed.

      • ExCult.Jan

        You are no doubt correct, but we have already seen the damage of not electing the person who won the popular vote. Here we go again.

        Just feeling so powerless living in a blue state. Since Tuesday, every single patient appointment started out with dealing with their emotional gobsmack before we could get to the medical issue the appointment was scheduled for. I am exhausted by it, and expect more in the weeks and months and years to come.

        Edit: Not to mention my own cult survivor triggers at off the chart levels that I haven’t had to deal with for a while.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Thank you for letting your patients open up to you, Jan. That is very kind of you.

    • Liberated

      Already signed, but thanks.

  • Jimmy3

    I was just at Mass and they was like “Lord we pray for President-Elect Trump to keep him safe so he may guide us into blah blah blah”

    The response from the congregation was supposed to be “Lord hear our prayer.”

    But i was like BOOOOOOOOOOO

    It doesnt matter. Ive been asked to leave nicer Churches than that.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Can I go with you next Sunday?

      • Jimmy3

        Not to that Parish. My photo is on the wall now. Banned

        • ExCult.Jan

          Oh, that much was very Clear.

        • Ironic for an iconoclast such as you.

    • daisy

      Fell off chair , spindle punctured my lung , I cannot breath– got to find some saran wrap to cover the wound before my lung collapses. Is that going to leave a scar ? Will I ever be attractive to men now? Am I doomed to live a life of quiet desperation, all because Jimmy had to make us laugh ? Oh wait that is not blood , oh it is a raspberry from the table I upset on the way down. Oh good it is still edible. Nevermind.

      • Missionary Kid

        Great story!

    • Heckling at services is an honorable pastime.

    • Their shoulder-devils were probably whispering that Mike Pence would be better.

    • MarcabExpat

      True story: I went to Mass in a country where I did not speak the language. I was introduced to the priest beforehand and he said through an interpreter, “Mass is the same everywhere, just say everything in your own language.” So I did that. At the top of my lungs, since that was evidently the local custom. Got some strange looks from those around me, but carried on as instructed. Since I was living there for some months, I just kept doing that until I was good with the local version.

      Much later I found out that when everyone else was bawling “Svety, Svety, Svety” and I was bawling “Holy, Holy, Holy,” I was in fact shouting in the local language, “Naked, Naked, Naked.” What were the odds?

      • gtsix

        I could join that church. At least for one night. Mrrreow.

      • Robert Eckert

        Meanwhile you were wondering why they were shouting “sweaty sweaty sweaty”

        • MarcabExpat

          Oh the jokes I dare not make…

      • Princess Squishy

        Why would they tell you to say your part in your own language if you part translates to naked?

        • MarcabExpat

          Because this poor priest knew no English and had no idea that the English word for holy was the local word for naked. He was just saying “no worries if you don’t know our language, just use your own.” And he couldn’t hear me at all during the actual service, I was back in the pews. It was just the parishioners near me who got a confusing earful.

    • Mockingbird

      I fully support your objection to Trump. Welcome to the resistance.

  • Techie
    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Oh dear. Madonna is a couple surgeries away from looking like Joan Rivers… (before she died! smart asses. 😉 )

      • Robert Eckert

        One more surgery from looking like Joan Rivers after…

        • Liberated

          Wait a minute…is that Michael Jackson’s jacket?

          • Missionary Kid

            Nah, Michael didn’t use fake pearls.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Pete, JD, Sharon, Steve – you’re all my heroes.

    • Graham

      Keep up the pressure Pete!

    • In just one hour this documentary has had over 50,000 views on Facebook. That’s twice the number of Scientologists in the world. In one hour! The day of reckoning is fast approaching… Let them bleat about how their social betterment groups are solving problems because the truth is they are most certainly not and the more they say they are the more they will be exposed as not. 🙂

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Tell it! Thanks for all your hard work. I’d hate to be overly optimistic here, but $cn is in a steep decline that I just don’t see it being able to pull out of. Exactly how long it takes for that death spiral to smash into the earth is anyone’s guess, but my sense is that it’s irreversibly headed straight down and vertical 😉

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Up to 80,000 views now in just a few hours!

  • In light of today’s initially lachrymose theme—couldn’t help wondering… (restock on Kleenex—and Pampers): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a75ece84151278be44833986d498ea18ffe84fabcaf395ac5aa653c535e55bb.jpg

    • Liberated

      Don’t forget hair-gel.

      • I think he uses a mixture of Sterno and superglue these days.

        • it’s a rug! he is a rug addict

  • Sejanus

    $cientology’s greatest enemy…
    an enlightened mind.

    • Mockingbird

      Scientology enlightens wallets and clears bank accounts.

  • Mockingbird

    Good day Bunkeroos.

    Busy day protesting. I love how Scientology which obliterates compassion in members through a PR reversal of truth by recruiting compassionate people through front groups as allies and potential recruits.

    Hubbard had stolen valor with his fake medals and false military achievements. Scientology has stolen compassion to compliment the stolen valor and counterfeit dreams along with plagiarized ideas and very generous broken promises ! What more could anyone want !

    • Liberated

      Very well said, MB.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks. This world is frankly inherently unjust and unfair. There’s no natural force looking out for good people and penalizing bad people. That’s a harsh reality. But our tendencies to assume the world is fair and good people are treated well is an incredibly dangerous fallacy.

        It leads to cognitive distortions. Reporters that hours earlier couldn’t fathom the man they called a dangerous narcissist and racist and pathological liar and extremely dangerous man won the presidential election to their shock. They immediately distorted their own ideas about Trump.

        They said well he must be someone reasonable since he won the election. He must be willing to listen to people since he wants what is best for America.

        They are so stunned and shocked they are using reverse projection to make the world in front of them seem like a just one. It’s NOT.

        No one protected the Jews in Germany in the forties. No one protected Native Americans for centuries in America. No one protected slaves for centuries in America. No one protected women for thousands and thousands of years from rape and being treated as property.

        If you want something or someone to make justice or equality it is unfortunately your obligation. I wish it weren’t so. I wish a great hero or wonderful government or powerful group was looking out for all humanity and had infallible wisdom and irrefutable judgment.

        Ain’t gonna happen. All we have is the people here now. All we have is this moment, we may not get another.

        We can stop Trump now. Tomorrow ? I am not so certain.

        • Liberated

          I wish we had someone or something looking out for us too, but we don’t

          I can remember feeling safe when MLK was around, I can remember feeling
          like it was gonna be ok when Bobby Kennedy was around, and look what happened to them.

          I see people trying their best to be positive, but I can’t help but think they’re being silly.
          Humankind never seems to be able to see the terror that’s right directly in our face. Why is that?
          Fear I suppose.

          All I can think about now is somehow preventing this travesty from taking place. I’ve signed petitions, I’ve listened to people like Michael Moore talk about impeachment, but so what.
          I can’t even look at his ugly face on tv, and today when I saw the criminals he’s placed in positions of power, well.
          All I can feel is doom.

          • Mockingbird

            I have been thinking about it and keep going back to one thing. When Trump had two his supporters beat a homeless man and said they are passionate. He showed his true colors.

            He has a sociopathic quality that is absolutely unfettered. The people that are thinking our system or basic human decency or congress or the media will hold him in check are hopelessly deluded. He is not a sane man.

            To think he is because we desperately want him to be is foolish, probably suicidal.

            We are moving under the rule of an enemy to the United States and humanity.

            • Liberated

              I agree, many people smarter than me have evaluated his illness, psychiatrists especially have determined him to be sociopathic and narcissistic.

              The guy that ghost-wrote his stupid book “art of the deal” was one of the first people to speak out about him. Tony Schwartz said “trump just wanted me to make him look great no matter what.” He will never be wrong…isn’t that the first characteristic of that personality?

              Mr Schwartz knew a long time ago that trump was a sick dangerous man.

              His good buddy Putin has admitted Russian intel. was in contact with two of the trump kids during the campaign, and they did hack the DNC and HC’s emails.
              Gee, call me crazy but isn’t that treason?

              Well, now that his supporters have voted in an enemy of the state, I guess they’ll find solace in the fact they didn’t vote for a candidate with a private email server.

            • Mockingbird

              Haha. Yeah he didn’t lose those emails.

              A critical analysis of the flaws and strengths of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump presents a stark contrast. She is not perfect and against many people she would be a draw or poor choice. But against Trump ? She looks beautiful because he is so ugly.

            • Mymy88

              and there’s this:
              This isn’t the first time Trump’s so-called base has harassed or acted
              out against someone they view as an ‘enemy’—after the whole debate
              kerfuffle with Megyn Kelly, she received death threats from Trump’s fans, which led the cable network to provide her with additional security. Trump’s response to the Hollywood Reporter: “I’m sure they don’t mean that,” he said. “I had heard that had happened. But I have gained such respect for the people that like me and respect me and that like my views, it’s incredible.”

              Mockingbird. Do you think he really said that and are you sure that was his true response? Would Hollywood Reporter make that up? What he said is absolutely hideous!

              http://gothamist.com/2015/08/20/trump_ugh_enough.php

            • Mockingbird

              Look at the videos you can get of him saying his followers are passionate after two beat up a homeless man. Look at the videos of him after his followers threatened a Jewish reporter with rape and murder and he said he had nothing to say to his supporters. Look at the videos of him saying he wishes it was the good old days where a protester would be taken out on a stretcher. He promised to pay legal fees for his violent supporters. He said so many cruel, evil and inhuman things on video that you could review the videos and recorded conversations and his words from his books and interviews I believe his character is clearly revealed. If one report or quote is in doubt you can set it aside.

              I have done the same thing with Hubbard and Scientology doctrine. I took his words that Scientology admits to and his history and reviewed them and then used my best judgment to evaluate that the affirmations are most likely genuine. They aren’t admitted orthodox Scientology doctrine but upon serious extensive critical analysis are the best answer regarding Hubbard’s true beliefs.

              The same can be done with Trump comments. He has made so many on video and audio tape that it is easy.

            • Mymy88

              OH MY GOD. This incredibly sick man has said so many very sick and vile things, I can’t even remember all of them. Now that you mention that stuff, you have jogged my memory and I do remember. I can’t take this. Meh

            • Mockingbird

              Yeah, he attacks women in the vilest ways.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      ” I love how Scientology which obliterates compassion in members through a
      PR reversal of truth by recruiting compassionate people through front
      groups as allies and potential recruits.”

      There is truly some very vicious irony at work there. And it’s also worth noting that this is a key strategy that the BIG con which is $cn has always used to draw folks into the cult. Young, idealistic, but naive and somewhat gullible young folks have always been $cn’s prime targets. By presenting an outward face of having the purpose of helping others as a core value, many are attracted to it if they have no other info concerning the cult to begin with.

      Fortunately, since the age of internet arrived, we’ve been more and more successful in “danger pointing” $cn at a society-wide level, so that now only a handful of 12 year olds who are forbidden to watch television haven’t seen the South Park Xenu episode yet (I still chuckle every time I recall it). And I just don’t see $cn changing that one around any time soon…Xenu be praised!

  • “I will no longer be speaking at the human rights walk. I wanted you to know so you could update that in the article.” Win!

  • Lousy Ratatouille
  • Len Zinberg

    Bless you, Rod Keller.

  • Observer

    Isn’t Andrew Robertson in the Christchurch area? If so, I hope he’s okay. 7.8!

    • daisy

      yes – go to oldest .

      • Observer

        Thanks!

    • gtsix

      He commented earlier, haven’t hear since, but he was not harmed by the quake.

      • Observer

        Thank you–that’s good news.

        • MarcabExpat

          He was en route inland to avoid tsunami issues last I read.

    • Kestrel

      Yes, and the South Island continues to experience earthquakes, the most recent was a 4.5 just 15 minutes ago. It was up the coast a bit from Christchurch.

      • Andrew Robertson

        Aftershocks still continuing every few minutes, 11 hours later. Slightly nerve wracking!

        https://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/wellington/felt

        Andrew

        • Kestrel

          My friends in Wellington alerted me to the first one. It really got their attention up there. I hope you’re doing well, Andrew.

          I just noticed the North Island is also getting earthquakes. Lower Hutt just experienced a 3.0 about 6 minutes ago.

        • MarcabExpat

          I’m so sorry! I complain about hurricanes but I’d much rather face one than an earthquake. Keep us posted if it’s not too difficult for you!

        • Andrew Robertson

          I’m feeling discombobulated……………

          3 minuted ago .. 6.1 intensity

          Andrew

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7f9023b85cd7761acd06b825ce06538486c1276a94a9d01f8024ea23f381162.jpg

          • Kestrel

            I’ve been monitoring RSOE EDIS. The number of aftershocks has been astonishing, and one at 6.8 was registered at 1:34am your time.

          • noseinabk

            Been checking the reports all day. Thank you for keeping us updated so we know you are ok.

    • Missionary Kid

      He posted earlier that he got shook up, but the that seemed to be all.

      • Kestrel

        They have had near-continuous aftershocks all day. Some minor, some moderate, and some recent ones that were over 5.0.

    • Elegant Mess

      Yikes! A 6.8 aftershock just hit.

      • Kestrel

        It’s 1:45 in the morning in New Zealand, and the eastern side of the South Island just experienced a 5.4, a 6.6, and a 6.8 aftershock. During the same time period, Waiouru on the North Island experienced a 4.7 quake.

        • noseinabk

          At least the tsunami warnings were downgraded. He reported this morning that he was fine after the initial event so hopefully he will report back that he remains so.

      • Frodis73

        Holy shit!!

      • Missionary Kid

        A 6.8 is 1/10th the strength of a 7.8

        • Elegant Mess

          Yet, somehow that is not comforting…
          ETA: I lived through the Loma Prieta earthquake of 1989 & that was a terrifying 6.9.

  • Liberated

    I just learned Priebus named chief of staff and wife-beater Bannon chief strategist.
    Oh boy.

    • daisy

      Not at all surprised. KKK having a parade to celebrate Trumps win . I forget where . It will be publicized which is exactly what they want. Yeah fun times

      • Liberated

        I think the Carolinas

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Just great, all these neo-Nazi, racist hate groups think that they were just given permission to be loud and proud about being sociopaths.

        What’s next? Free brown shirts for all attendees and a commemorative reenactment of Kristtalnacht? grrr, GRRR

      • anonsparrow

        So what do you think Daisy?

        I for one am very glad Trump won because hilliary is so corrupt and criminal.

        I fear for my American life right now but I don’t blame one or the other.

        • anonsparrow

          The whole system is broken. We need to re-build somehow. I don’t know how.

          • Kestrel

            Me, either, anonsparrow.

          • Princess Squishy

            I 100% agree with you there

        • Frodis73

          Why are you afraid for you life? If you do not mind me asking…

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll tell you. For one, we have a President-elect that lies all the time. If you think politicians lie, Trump lies far more. He has as his advisers, people who want to privatize Social Security, and who think that taxation is, in effect, theft from the public.

            He has people with him that believe that our national parks are to be exploited for mining and timber interests: that they should be used to fatten the income of our treasury, instead of left for future generations to enjoy.

            He doesn’t believe in man-caused global warning. He stated that it was Chinese propaganda. I’ll be dead by the time it really starts to affect the globe, but I fear for my children and grandchildren.

            The good news is that he doesn’t understand the Constitution, so he’s bound to overreach his limits. The bad news is that he has a whole bunch of people around him that basically don’t care about people who have less money, and that includes some people well steeped in ideas that LGBT people are asking for special rights, and that it’s O.K. to discriminate against them.

            I probably would have been comfortable with Trump in the 1950’s, but this is 2016.

            • Frodis73

              Hey MK. I was asking annonsparrow exactly why he fears his life is in danger…he voted for Trump. I know what is in danger and hate Trump with the heat of a million suns. My anxiety attacks have spiked and I alternate between rage, fear and hopelessness. He is a white guy that seems to love trump….cos you know, emails, Benghazi, etc. I also know whatever he thinks the donald will deliver to him (jobs maybe) will never happen, but he does not. The only thing trump seems to be able to deliver on is lots of stupidity and hate….and confusion since he does not have a clue what he is doing either. The guy did not know he had to bring his own staff to the West Wing FFS. We are so doomed. I weep.
              Sorry, I just could not let this go in case you think I supported that orange freak for president…Id rather die first.

        • Missionary Kid

          The amount of “corruption” attributed to Hillary was a lot of confabulation of the Clinton Foundation and her personal wealth. The Clintons didn’t gain financially from the foundation, regardless of what Trump would have you believe.

          Ironically, Trump’s “nonprofit foundation” isn’t.. It was never registered with the State of New York, he used other people’s money donated to the foundation to pay his corporate debts and to buy himself gifts. He’s going to pay a lot of taxes and penalties over that one, and people who donated to it will have to pay taxes on what they thought was a charitable organization.

          The Clinton corruption was in not avoiding the appearance of corruption. To even infer, or even allow someone to think that donating to the Clinton Foundation would get them access was stupid. The Clintons sailed too close to the fire, and they got burned.

          In one state, Michigan, there were 38,000 ballots cast that voted for other Democrats or for issues that the party supported, but didn’t vote for President. Clinton lost the state by 8,000 votes.

          Trump, along with the FBI director did a good job of poisoning the well. He repeated lies so often, when he was lying himself, according to all of the fact checking that went on from various media.

          Trump is not a good, or even a principled businessman. He has used his economic power to force small businesses to accept terms changed from what any deal that Trump made in the first place. He put some businesses out of business because at the end of a deal, he’s just say “try to collect the rest of your money.” Local contractors who built his gambling palaces learned to pad their bids because they knew he’d pull that crap.

          Even his own lawyers that handled his business bankruptcies learned to have two attorneys in the room when working with him, because he would make a statement, then claim that he never said something that he did. That same habit carried over to the election. He would deny that he had said something, when there was clear, videotaped evidence that he had. Can you imagine how well that will go in foreign relations?

          I’ve worked with people who were attorneys. One ran the County Mental Health department. He was a psychiatrist and an attorney. Unfortunately, his go-to position was as an attorney and to CYA. Unfortunately, that’s the tactic that Hillary took when there was a controversy. It always raises more questions. Instead of saying that something was a screw up, she went into defensive mode.

          The whole investigation on Benghazi was just smoke and mirrors. If there was really any direct responsibility for it, the Republican members of the Congressional committee would have said so. They didn’t. There were far more foreign service personnel killed and facilities attacked under previous secretaries of State. How many investigations were done? None. The woman whose son was killed and was often put forward by the Republicans has changed her story over the years, according to fact checkers. She is entitled to her grief.

          There was no criminal behavior on Hillary’s part, regardless of what Trump claimed. There were ethical and administrative lapses, but show me what was criminal.

    • flyonthewall

      Wife beater and neo-nazi. There is literally a white supremacist with a top WH job right now.

      • Liberated

        Yep.

      • Mymy88

        My head is going to explode.

      • anonsparrow

        What doc are you going by, fly?

        • Quack.

          • anonsparrow

            Quack?

          • anonsparrow

            Hey Shorpy. Are you calling me a quack or not.

            K, thx.

            • FredEX2

              Anonsparrow…that’s a code word for ‘if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck…it’s a duck’ in regards to fly’s comment about Bannon. ( not you ) But it’s easy to misunderstand comments here sometimes and get into a bit of a squirmish. 😁

        • flyonthewall

          This article is a good summary with links etc. I’ve been paying close attention to this election and am familiar with the characters involved.

          http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/analysis-breitbart-s-steve-bannon-leads-alt-right-white-house-n683316

    • Liberated

      He’ll always be a “whiny little bitch” to me.

    • anonsparrow

      It’s not Trump. It’s the system that’s been broken for a long time.

      We had a “financial wellness” meeting at work recently. I could barely stomach the lies coming out of this supposed financial guru’s mouth. I finally had to speak up and I asked him what a “petro dollar” is.

      I wish I would have taken a picture of his face. It was one of fear, disbelief and anger. He said he would talk to me later about it. I responded that maybe most of these people in the room would like to know what you think a Petro Dollar is.

      He responded by saying that he’s trying to get everyone out of here as soon as possible. So I said “huh”.

      So what is a petro dollar? Here’s one description:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Was the speaker’s talk related to subject matter that concerned the concept of petro dollars? We’re missing the context of your nausea here. That point aside, as long as you know that “petro” is short for “petroleum” the concept, in its simplest form, is pretty much self-evident, at least to me that is 😉

        • anonsparrow

          Well he started telling a personal story about how one of his clients came to him all spooked out about having put all his money in the stock market.

          And the guru went on to question ridicule this neighbor who wasn’t even there to speak back. Anyway, it was weird. I just want everyone to get along and no fucking war.

          • anonsparrow

            Sorry for that last post.. terrible spelling and everything..

        • anonsparrow

          No he was all about financial wellness. that’s what made me think about the most basic things. he was off on some other tangent.

          • Robert Eckert

            He was giving a talk that maybe other people wanted to hear. But you wanted everything to be about your own private obsessions. You’re annoyed that he wanted to go off down the rabbit hole that you wanted him to waste his own and everybody else’s time on.

    • Rasha

      Don’t you have to be dead to be on currency? Just askin’.

      • kemist

        Well, we’ve got Elizabeth II on ours and she’s still alive.

        • Rasha

          *retreats to the Colonies*

          • Ella Raitch

            It’s dead Presidents but living Monarchs

            • Rasha

              It does say “United States of America”…..

      • maybe he can get a pass if he is not clinically dead ?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      …and on the reverse side, “In Twunt We Trust”

    • Missionary Kid

      That is obviously worthless. Just try to pass it. 😀

  • Observer

    Dear Scientology:

    Compassionate does not mean stupid and weak. If you weren’t bullies you would know this.

    • Liberated

      They consider vindictive, cruel ruthlessness…..making it go right!

  • Look! Up in the sky!
    It’s a bird!
    It’s a plane!
    It’s Super Moon!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Wishing clear skies for Tony tonight!

      • Eclipse-girl

        Missed the moon rise by about 20 mins.
        Hope to catch it tomorrow.

    • Rasha

      It’s gorgeous tonight.

  • Vaquera
    • daisy

      Oh Ted is designing clothes now.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Psychedelic puke!

      • Missionary Kid

        Those clothes don’t even make it over the bar of psychedelic. They’re as ugly as $cientology itself.

    • Rasha

      Wait, there’s something not right…. it’s..let me see….

      OH! I see! Here! (F5)

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60e85c7b6ed815c48bca0e62e83915e3999f093dd2559d7a62ba28c102bd275c.jpg

      FIFY!!! ^_^ You’re welcome!!!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Proof positive that going OaTy won’t free you from the compulsion to commit fashion atrocities! (apparently that gets handled on OaTy 9 & 10)

    • Liberated

      Wow, real muppets!

    • noseinabk

      Add Cruise and Cardone and you would have the Mt Rushmore of d-bags.

      • Kestrel

        What a waste of granite. Can we just mold clay?

        • noseinabk

          Bleh. If I did that all of them would wind up looking like lizard people.

    • MarcabExpat

      See, this here is what I was talking about yesterday when I was trying to describe what I call the “Scilon rictus grin.”

  • Eclipse-girl

    Thank you Rod.

    You did great work in preventing another dupe to be used by Sic-entology

  • Observer

    I just realized Jimmy looks like Captain America’s pal the Winter Soldier (we’re watching Civil War).

    • LongtimeLurker

      I can’t work out if that’s more or less attractive than I always pictured him.

      Whatever, Sebastian Stan does okay with the ladies.

    • Vaquera

      I can see it.

    • Jimmy3

      I just realized Observer hasn’t yet realized that the check I wrote her bounced.

      • What’sup

        First Luke Cage now Captain America’s holmie. Maybe you should just go to Marvel Studios and see if they’ve got a gig for you.

        • Kestrel

          His super power could be his Irish yoga proficiency.

      • Observer

        This one’s on the house. Next one’ll cost you.

  • Frodis73

    Am I the only one suffering though 60 minutes with our new dictator?

    • madame duran

      I still haven’t watched Trump’s victory speech. I don’t think I can stand listening to him and his cronies for 20 minutes, let alone for the whole 60 Minutes show. It would cause problems for my bodily system as well as my mental and emotional well-being.

      • Anony-Lurker

        I haven’t watched or read or seen the news since Tuesday night…I just can’t watch any of it.

        • Mymy88

          Kindred spirit, you are.

      • Frodis73

        Smart move. I explain above why I watched. I should not have. I am just as scared now as I was Tuesday.

        • Mymy88

          I am more scared, if you can believe it.

    • Vaquera

      I just ate.

    • kemist

      Why would you do that to yourself ?

      • Frodis73

        See above, but I should not have bothered.

    • Rasha

      Sorry, I was listening to David Bowie’s “This is Not America”, and “I’m Afraid of Americans”.

      Is sphincter-lips talking? Then, no. I haven’t seen it. I do miss Bowie, though. A lot.

      • Mymy88

        OMG rolling on the floor “sphincter-lips” lololol!

    • Liberated

      Couldn’t watch.

    • anonsparrow

      What’s your solution? Frodis?

      • Jimmy3

        Yes. Frodis orange garbage away.

      • Frodis73

        For starters, not electing a barely literate, racist, sexist con man, wannabe dictator who has NO respect for the office, or our Constitution would be a good start.
        And dont give the tired line about Clinton being a criminal. I do not like her, but she is NO more a criminal than any other freaking politician in office.

        • Jimmy3

          Frodis guy off an electoral college dorm balcony.

        • anonsparrow

          Oh ok. So besides electing politicians which I’m no fan of.. what’s you’re answer?

          All quiet now? Gee I had’t thought of what I would do if the government fails to deliver..

      • grundoon

        Elect leaders who will serve the people – not those who want power to further their own ambitions and ego, to perpetuate a dynasty, to indulge their lusts, to fatten the oligarchs, to persecute their critics, to punish scapegoats, to police the world, or to trash the Constitution. We need better candidates on the ballot. The major parties only seem to care about their own power and feeding the 1%.

    • daisy

      I stomached until his kids started talking. I just couldn*t . I hate those 1950 boy villainous creatures with the brillcreamed hair more than I hate Trump himself.

      • anonsparrow

        Thanks for answering.

    • Observer

      I see no reason to put myself through the aggravation.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Without wasting too much of your time…how was it?

    • TheMirrorThetan

      They are showing it here tonight.
      But I would rather slam my knockers in the car door a thousand times.
      He makes me sick. even talking about him. I just cant anymore.

      • Mymy88

        YES! I would eat a camel turd before I would watch that! He makes me sicker than sick. He makes me physically ill. WWIII has broken out on my Facebook. I think I’m going to have to move and start a new life. I have been burning bridges. I really didn’t want to but I just could not seem to help myself lol.

    • Princess Squishy

      I didn’t even know he was on. I don’t really pay attention to much of that. I’ve been falling asleep to Netflix all weekend.

  • anonsparrow

    Who Benefits?

    • anonsparrow

      While you comment makers make your comments.. seemingly.. Who Benefits?

      • salin

        Still not clear what you are asking. “While” suggests time (as if while you are commenting – other things are happening and who benefits – as if distraction) Not sure what the “seemingly” after comments means – almost suggests that maybe the comments are not being made but just seemingly are being made – again which does not make sense. The question sounds accusatory – perhaps only because it is so opaque. Guessing you have an interesting point to make, but are, at least for me, being too clever for me to understand the actual question or the point.

        • Robert Eckert

          He wants to talk about his favored brand of radical politics, and is continually upset that not everyone in the world wants to talk about his favored subjects all the time, because what he wants to talk about is the most important stuff in the whole world, don’tcha know?

          • salin

            Thx.

      • FredEX2

        Who benefits?
        1.~Those who write the comments benefit by being allowed to express their opinion or vent.
        2.~Those that post occasional jokes, photos & shoops to lighten things up benefit sometimes… and remind us not to take things so seriously when the topic is heavy …and often very serious and difficult.
        3.~Those that read the reports and comments benefit from the information shared here that is often accompanied by documents and evidence to back it up. ( Including media who may need tangible verification or references for a report.)
        4.~Anyone who reads the reports and comments and gets a clearer understanding of the topic and can then make informed choices in what they believe or with whom they participate.
        5.~Those who have been hurt, or had their lives destroyed by Scientology’s ‘Fair Game’ policy which Scientologists seem to think is a license to commit violations of privacy, criminal acts and violations of the 1st Ammendment rights of others. These people who have experienced these things or are dealing with the life changing devastation of ‘disconnection’ benefit…bc being able to comment and be validated helps them heal…
        6.~Those who have made real friends…many ‘in person’…here…and benefit from those friendships.
        7.~Those that need support can benefit from the support they find here. ( and others )

        So anonsparrow… I’m sending you a hug in case you’re having a bad day.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thank you.

          • FredEX2

            One for you too Lurker. ❤️You’re not over there where the earthquakes are happening in New Zealand are you?

            • LongtimeLurker

              No. A couple of thousand kilometres to the left of NZ.

              We’ve got gale force winds currently, but nothing comparable to an earthquake.

              I think Australia is the least tectonically active continent on the planet, iirc.

              Which almost makes up for how deadly all the flora and fauna are.

              xoxo

        • Mockingbird

          Doesn’t OSA benefit from getting a job ?

    • salin

      Don’t understand your question. Who benefits …. from what – (assumes some action is being taken by some one/people that allows for some benefit) Are you talking about the act of commenting on this blog? Are you talking about the content of the Article – the attempt to coopt new internet sensation into a CoS backed but obfuscated event? Are you talking about the turnabout by said figure, upon getting more clear information per the backing, deciding to back out? Or something else?

      • Liberated

        This is none of my business, but sometimes it’s better not to engage certain people…if you know what I mean?

        • salin

          Haven’t been around much lately. Never found this poster to be so – oblique. But these are strange times, and you have been much more present of late than I. I appreciate that.

          • Liberated

            No I haven’t .

            • salin

              True – if I haven’t been around much – how can I think you have been around more than I. *snicker at myself*.

            • Liberated

              It’s ok, I meant I’m thoroughly loving the blocking option.
              It’s a good thing.

            • salin

              Oh – look – without yrs of auditing – you got me to go clear (in understanding of a point) in just two exchanges! Win! 😀

            • Liberated

              Making it go right!

          • LongtimeLurker

            He’s been ‘off’ the past 36 hours, imho.

            And misdirecting his feelings.* imho.

            *I am not a therapist.

    • noseinabk

      Everyone.
      The exes benefit from an open dialog and being able to find a place to heal with the support of many.
      The never ins benifit from learning about the evil deeds of the cult.
      All of us benefit from the J&D to blow off a little steam when the topic gets to us or the real world is hard to take.
      You used to know this.
      When you post here you are not talking into a vacuum. People pay attention and try to communicate and participate in conversations.

      • salin

        Well articulated.

        • noseinabk

          Thanks. If I didn’t have the respect for him that I do I wouldn’t bother. He has had a hard time with the cult and possibly some other things. I much admired his quick wit many times.
          Anyone not familiar google annonsparrow and have a look at his videos. He spent years protesting and being prosecuted by the cult.

          • salin

            Appreciate your explanation. My time here is relative short (less than 2 yrs), but that was my impression.

          • grundoon

            “The important thing is never to stop questioning,” said Einstein. On a melancholy Saturday evening, warmed by sipping various elixirs of truth, fellow seekers convene at the Bunker.

          • MarcabExpat

            It always creeps me out when an established poster goes off the rails here. If it were just one person, I’d say, “it’s just that person.” But it’s a repeating phenomenon in the Bunker. It’s eerie and it makes me sad.

  • Just watched Savannah’s video. Very powerful message, from the heart. Thank you very much.
    Glad Rod did what he did to prevent scientology jumping on another PR bandwagon.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      They are always trying to hitch their wagon to somebody else’s star.

      • And put the cart before the star.

    • LongtimeLurker

      How’s Dodo?

  • Observer

    Whoa, huge Westworld twist. Did not see that coming!

    • Tony Ortega

      Shhh. I can’t watch the new episode until later tonight.

      • Observer

        Mum’s the word. Mind blown.

      • iampissed

        First rule of westworld.

    • Rasha

      Yul Brynner is awesome.

      …wait…. sorry.

      • Observer

        He really was, even if the original movie hasn’t aged particularly well.

        • Rasha

          True.

          • Observer

            The 70s aesthetic makes everything kind of cheesy.

            • Rasha

              I consider it a growing period. Awkward, but not without promise.

            • Observer

              Michel Crichton was prescient in that he raised the issue of viruses way back in the early 70s when computers still ran on tapes and punch cards.

            • Rasha

              Echoed by William Gibson in the 80’s… Neuromancer is so classic.

            • Observer

              I thought of that book when the WWW opened for business. Meanwhile, LRH was prescient about…not a consarned thing.

            • Rasha

              *sits back in easy chair with snifter of brandy*

              …..exactly.

            • Missionary Kid

              IMO, Gibson was notable for a style of writing. Many of his ideas had been covered by much earlier authors. The technology was much more rudimentary in the previous stories.

            • Missionary Kid

              There were authors in science fiction that covered it well before he did. They also speculated about terrorist acts. I won’t even mention them here, because they’re still possible.

            • Tony Ortega

              And yet another Crichton classic, Andromeda Strain, still works beautifully, even with the outdated technology. The design work was better, I think.

            • Rasha

              I love the movie and the novel.

            • Observer

              That movie scared the crap out of me when I was about 12 and saw it on TV the first time. Crichton was a brilliant author.

            • Rasha

              Hear, hear. I still watch it from time to time. Usually along with Colossus: The Forbin Project.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Everyone forgets Colossus!

              Neglected mini-masterpiece.

            • Rasha

              RIGHT???

            • Rasha

              Joshua Son of None by Nancy Freedman was a really good read – political and scientific, gave an interesting view of the ethical use of science in a political arena.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Seconded! Classic!

            • coonellie

              Scared the bejesus out of me.

            • MarcabExpat

              Yes, that movie is way better than newer, flashier rivals by a mile.

        • LongtimeLurker

          psssst – did you spot his “cameo” in last week’s episode?

      • coonellie

        I saw him live in The King and I at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. He was spectacular. And, yes I was a preteen. Bummer was that on the way home, via train, we ran over a person who committed suicide by jumping on the tracks. Seared in my memory.

    • LongtimeLurker

      QUIET!

      …LALALALALALALALALALALA…

      • Observer

        I don’t post spoilers. *huff*

        • LongtimeLurker

          You don’t seem like the type.

          I was just funnin’

          • Observer

            I was mock outraged.

    • Ella Raitch

      Look forward to watching it in about 5 hours

  • iampissed

    “Oh, no worries. You didn’t. My decision was my own. I am looking forward to looking into it.”
    What can I say…my week has been made a lot better.

  • Vaquera

    My fantasy team is a disaster. Goodnight peeps.
    Goodbye Leon. Thanks for the tunes.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g6dFeBZ7Nlg

    • Rasha

      Just…….. really?…..

      • Vaquera

        Yes.

      • Observer

        I’m ready for that shoop to be obsolete now.

        • Rasha

          I am okay with the remainder of this year to be gone. I’ll take the hit. That shoop will be relevant for many, many years…..

          • Observer

            🙁

            • Rasha

              Yep

  • Aslan’s Own
  • LongtimeLurker
    • Princess Squishy

      hey, some of the women in this group are pervs, be careful with that…. 🙂

      • LongtimeLurker

        That’s exactly why I did it!

        • Graham

          Careful with this stuff. You’re gonna give Johnny Tank ideas!

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Super moon! Why didn’t I think of that??? SMH.

    • Nice ass!

    • Liberated

      Lurker got back!

  • Dave Reams

    Thank you Rod Keller!

  • M from Toronto

    It’s a very difficult thing for a sincere person to find a way to get their ideas out there, but I’m glad that thanks to Rod giving her information, Pastor Hartman looked into things for herself, stayed true to her convictions, and wasn’t used by the CO$. Good on both of them.

    • Mymy88

      I just can’t watch it, sorry. I just can’t. One thing I have heard about it is he was asked about people doing hate crimes or harassing minorities or something like that and he just said “stop it” and that’s about it. Is this true. Was it really that bad?

      • Mockingbird

        Worse. He meekly said stop it and minimized the incidents. He claimed it was a few incidents. It’s been hundreds.

        • Mymy88

          Oh wow. This is so bad. For me it kind of feels like 9/11 on a slow train coming.

          • Mockingbird

            A lot of people feel that way. For me it’s the worst I have felt since the day I realized Scientology os a fraud and Hubbard a pathological liar and malignant narcissist. That’s utterly crushing.

            This isn’t as immediately traumatic for me, but it’s a much larger problem and has traumatized millions and millions of people.

            • Mymy88

              You are helping me get through this Mockingbird, as others here are also. I appreciate it very much.

            • Mockingbird

              You are not alone. Millions of people are already getting ready for what is coming.

    • Newiga

      *sigh* *sigh* *sigh*

  • Lady Squash

    Good job, Rod Keller!

  • Mymy88

    Well, here I am at 2:30am Monday morning, wide awake and I need to get tired again. I guess I’ll tell myself a bedtime story, and plop it right here.

    This is true and it happened to me today. I was stressed, depressed, had a headache, had a heartache, and was wondering how I was going to survive the holidays with lots of family drama going down this year.

    I was thinking about how horribly painful it is to watch people I care about and love drink the Trump-aide deeply and wonder how people who have lost contact with loved ones because of scientology’s disconnection policy, manger to go on through their pain.

    It’s like grieving for someone you have loved who has died. I don’t think I’ve ever felt this feeling so strongly. It’s a first for me and yet I think of the thousands and thousands of people that live with this feeling at all times every day and many people live inside of this painful state for many many years and it’s hard to fathom.

    I don’t think I could be that strong.

    So yeah, like I was saying, I was very down. I was so thankful it was nice and cold outside now (for Georgia anyway) and I could snuggle under my warm covers with my 2 doggies next too me. Actually one of them is mine and the other is one I keep a lot for my next-door neighbors. So that doggy is here all the time and I love them both and they are BFF’s. But still I was so sad and so down, I told myself I really needed to think of a reason to get out of this bed. I needed to think of something to get enthusiastic about. I tried. I got nothing. My mind was as blank as could be.

    Then one of the doggies had to go pee pee. He hopped on top of me and walked up the length of the side of me and stopped at my head and did his cute little “I gotta to pee pee auntie” noises he makes just above my ear. The other doggy (my doggy) chimed in… “me too mommy, me too!” He started jumping all over on top of me. By the way, these are small 12 pound dogs lol. It actually feels kind of good like a massage lol.

    So then I’m thinking, oh crap, the last thing I want to do is get out of this warm bed and take the doggies for a pee pee walk, especially with this throbbing stress headache, but I know that I have to, dammit, meh.

    I get up and they are so happy and excited they are happy dancing around my feet. They are so cute. Their little faces so full of excitement and anticipation. I still wasn’t feeling it though. I was so out of it and groggy, I actually put my dog’s collar on the other dog. Wow, I needed to wake up.

    I opened the door and the cool Fall air fell upon me and it was a good thing. I felt my head start to clear a little. I started to walk toward the woods where they do their business and I realized I felt okay, kind-of. That was a huge improvement over what I had been feeling just minutes earlier.

    What would I do without my doggies?

    The End, but I’m still not tired sigh. I hope you enjoyed my bedtime story. Thank you for reading.

    • Mockingbird

      Thanks. That’s a good story. I know that this is a tough, tough time. You may avoid disconnection hopefully and have a chance to keep in contact with your family.

      Unlike Hubbard Trump is alive and well and already contradicting himself and may break ALL or most of his promises. I think the great jobs and utopia he promised white people will never come. That may knock almost all his supporters away. He has a cultic core of hard core followers that will be extremely radicalized and are truly dangerous.

      If your family isn’t in that group they can get out hopefully sooner rather than later. Even most hard core followers will be disillusioned with him at some point.

      I know with life there a chance fir happiness, there is a chance to do good, to be kind and experience love and joy, without life there is no chance. I know with life suffering is certain, not constant or always overwhelming. I will take the chance to get happiness for the certainty of suffering. Fuck it. I want to be happy and help other people. A corpse can’t do it.

      • Mymy88

        I don’t think total non contact would happen with my family members but a friend or two, probably, maybe. I already had… OMG you won’t believe this.

        I have a good friend that I’ve known for a long time. We have had such great times together. She moved and I don’t talk to her much or see her much these days as she lives quite a distance away. She’s in the hospital right now. She just had surgery. Sadly, so very sadly, she is a Trump supporter. I am going to call her later today to tell her I’ve been worried about her and thinking about her. She’s too far away for me to visit.

        I could not believe this but her significant other came at me like a rabid dog on my Facebook tonight, right out of the damn blue, just because she didn’t like what I wrote.

        I could not believe it. I barely know this woman. I’ve never even met her. Wow, I just deleted her comment and didn’t even respond. You just don’t know how weird that was. Wow.

        • Mockingbird

          It is off putting and happening a lot.

        • Princess Squishy

          I’ve heard it suggested that instead of Christmas gifts for the Trump supporters in our lives (especially the rabid ones) is that we make donations in their name to a charity that supports people who are likely to suffer in Trumpdom. NAACP or some LGBT charities, stuff like that. I would think it would be best to choose something that won’t make your loved one/Trump supporter actually punch you, but that will still benefit people who’s rights or safety are in danger with the coming leadership.

          ETA: Like my mom would be really, really upset with me if I donated money in her name to a LGBT charity, but she might not be as angry about donating to NAACP or something else.

          • Mymy88

            That’s such a great idea, but get this, one of the enthusiastic Trump supporters in my family is a loud and proud bi who by the way, is married to someone of the opposite sex that she loves very much and she’s loud and proud about that too (that she is bi and married and in love with someone of the opposite sex). Can you believe she supports Trump? Now do you see why I think I’m losing my mind sometimes? I have always supported the LGBT stuff even putting the LGBT stuff on my Facebook when I KNEW there were people her were not going to not like it one bit.

            I’ve been kind of looking at her like I kind of look at how scientologists get sucked into the non questioning state of mind, so I try not to be judgemental with them and I try with her too. Boy, I’m going to be honest, sometimes it is HARD to do especially with my family member. But I like your idea and I think it is an excellent idea! Thank you.

            • Princess Squishy

              I know lesbians that voted Trump, lesbians that are in monogamous long term relationships. I also know Latinos who voted for Trump. I don’t understand it either.
              I know the lesbians and the Latinos who Voted Trump did so for gun rights reasons and because they are corrections officers and so they did it from a law enforcement standpoint. So maybe Black Lives Matter or some fund for gun safety or stricter background checks. Or something for illegal immigrants.

            • Mymy88

              Oh I see. Hmm, interesting.

    • Missionary Kid

      The great thing about dogs is they don’t care about the news. They’re just concerned about the normal details of living.

      • Mymy88

        Yesss, and that is a precious thing and one of their top qualities.

    • Mymy88

      Yes! I agree. Picture of year. That is the most amazing picture I’ve ever seen to tell you the truth. It’s hard to believe it’s real.

      • apparently no one got hurt on NZ i haven’t seen anything

        • Ella Raitch

          2 deaths reported

    • Princess Squishy

      poor cows

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Has our Kiwi Andrew Robertson checked in since the quakes?
    Hope he is Ok.

    • Andrew Robertson

      I lay down for a rest about 9pm NZ time (=ET +6hr-1 day.

      However 61 aftershocks later ranging from light to moderate to strong to severe made sleep a bit unlikely so I’ve just got up!

      And so the excitement continues with no sign of it ending…………..

      https://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/wellington/felt

      Andrew

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I’m glad you are OK. 61 aftershocks??? OMG.
        Suddenly here in shitty old Adelaide doesn’t look so bad. 🙂

      • Ella Raitch

        You sure this isn’t a smokescreen to put off Trump refugees

        ^^ poor attempt at humour

        Glad to know you are ok

        • Andrew Robertson

          It baffles me why anyone would want to emigrate to Middle Earth.

          Wellington currently has northerly gales gusting to 110 k/mph, heavy rain and earthquakes every few minutes!

          Andrew

          • coonellie

            Having grown up in a place with horrific quakes I can’t imagine them with rain and wind. Bless you!

      • salin

        61… (so far?) Yikes!

  • Scientology is quite fascinating in that the members believe that it contains workable technology for improving the individual and mankind without a single shred of evidence. Stating that it works doesn’t mean that it works. There has to be hard proof and there is none regarding Scientology workability and yet the members hold this belief that it works. Yes, fascinating.

  • Mymy88

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