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HowdyCon: Aussie journalist Steve Cannane’s response to Marty Rathbun

[Steve Cannane and your proprietor in Denver]

Saturday night in Denver, those of us who were there had the privilege of hearing London-based Australian journalist Steve Cannane address the crowd at our annual gathering, HowdyCon. He had prepared remarks for his talk, and we obtained his permission to publish those notes here on the blog today. Here’s what Steve told us that night…

I was one of a number of journalists who got a mention in Marty Rathbun’s surprisingly well shot video diary and I asked Tony if he wanted a response for the Bunker.

I told him I’d wait until Marty finished, because in one of his earlier posts he said he had more to say about Lawrence Wright’s analysis of the Australian inquiry and I thought I better wait and see what else he had to offer.

I didn’t realise at time that Marty’s page by page analysis of Wright’s book Going Clear could end up taking longer to complete than Robert Caro’s five volume biography of Lyndon Baines Johnson.

Because I’m worried I might actually be dead before Marty finishes up his video series, which I have now fallen asleep in front of three times, I’ve decided to issue an interim response, here at Howdycon.

I’m not going to address the rubbish Marty spouts about Tony, about Mike Rinder, about Hubbard curing himself of his non-existent war wounds, or his strange defense of Fletcher Prouty. To start with I wanted to deal with the 90 seconds where he mentions me and the inquiry in Australia.

He says the following:

“Page 91, he talks about the Australian government’s inquiry and I note I went through with him in some detail, Ewen Cameron being involved in this and I’ll talk about the significance of that about the prosecutor Dax and the fact that it was really a Kangaroo Court.”

Marty’s talking about how he was telling Larry Wright about the inquiry into Scientology in Australia in the 1960s. The first of its kind anywhere in the world.

In just four lines Marty says four things that are either inaccurate or lack the evidence to back them up – not a great strike rate for someone who is criticising other people’s work line by line.

1) It was not an Australian government inquiry. It was an inquiry set up by the state government of Victoria in 1963.

2) How was Ewen Cameron involved in this inquiry? And which Ewen Cameron is Marty talking about? Is it the Scottish born psychiatrist and former President of the American Psychiatric Association involved in the MK Ultra program who has featured in Scientology’s Freedom magazine a number of times? If so where’s the evidence he had anything to do with the Australian inquiry? Is he referring to Ewen Cameron who was previously a Minister for Health in Victoria, and was in favour of an inquiry, but his advice was ignored by the Premier Sir Henry Bolte which means he was hardly influential?

3) He talks about “prosecutor Dax” referring to Cunningham Dax, who was a psychiatrist not a prosecutor, which underlines how little Marty knows about the inquiry. The Scientologists believe Dax was the man behind the inquiry – my research suggests there were other far more influential figures. If Marty did give information to Larry Wright about the Australian inquiry, Wright was wise to ignore it.

4) He refers to the inquiry as a “kangaroo court.” It wasn’t. A “kangaroo court” normally refers to a sham set of legal proceedings, where the judge is owned and the verdict is set up in advance, something that tends to happen in dictatorships not democracies. In my book I’m critical of elements of the inquiry – and some of the moralising of Kevin Anderson QC who ran the inquiry – but it was hardly some kind of star chamber as Marty is suggesting.

The fact that Marty has used the term “kangaroo court” is interesting in itself. It’s straight out of the Hubbard playbook. In fact it was the name of book published by the Hubbard College of Scientology in 1967 that was issued as a riposte to the inquiry’s findings. Bound in black and gold featuring a kangaroo resplendent in a judge’s wig on the cover, it took a very patronising attitude to Australia and the state that dared to set up an inquiry about Scientology and issue such a scathing assessment of both the organisation and Hubbard.

Among the pearls of wisdom in Kangaroo Court:

“Only a society founded by criminals, organised by criminals and devoted to making people criminals could come to such a conclusion. A criminal society would applaud brutality, regard leucotomy, lobotomy and other major operations depriving a being of the use of his brain, as necessary to relieve a desperate situation.”

Another of my favourites quotes from is this:

“The Foundation of Victoria consists of the riff-raff of London’s slums – robbers, murderers, prostitutes, fences, thieves – the scourings of Newgate and Bedlam.”

Of course Hubbard was happy to make money off the riff-raff of Victoria when about 100 of them moved to Saint Hill around the same time Kangaroo Court was written.

So it’s very interesting that Marty uses the term “kangaroo court” – straight from the title of Scientology’s rebuttal of the Anderson Inquiry.

After Marty labels the inquiry a “kangaroo court,” he moves onto criticising my book, saying “the guy’s like a terrible writer.”

As he says it, he’s sighing and his eyes are rolling so much, it’s almost as if he’s just popped some of the “pinks and greys” Hubbard was on when he wrote OT III in Tangiers.

Now Marty might be right about this. I may well be a terrible writer, but he provides no context like a good literary critic should. I mean, I’d like to know exactly how bad my book really is.

Is it worse than Battlefield Earth?

As impenetrable as Dianetics?

Even more substandard than some of the book-shaped objects that Marty had released in recent years?

As he continues his rant, Marty accuses me of “piling on” on Scientology:

“As much as the guy Cannane tried to pile on, because he’s playing the pile on game now because it’s easy to go after Scientology and so he’s just regurgitating these things that have been said, even Cannane who is not, who wasn’t trying to come to this conclusion, the description he gave of the Australian inquiry and that whole episode to which he went into some depth because his book is in Australia, describes a kangaroo court and a witch hunt to the tee.”

Where to start? Which one is it Marty? Am I part of a pile on or have I uncovered material which helps you argue there were flaws in the inquiry in Australia? Am I just some regurgitator of old material? Or have I uncovered new material that you now want to regurgitate ––in a way that suits your agenda?

Marty’s line “he wasn’t trying to come to this conclusion” says it all about how distorted his thinking is. I didn’t start my book trying to come to any form of conclusion. I wanted to find out the truth. To get to the bottom of the story of Scientology and how it related to Australia. You only want to come to conclusions after you have weighed up the evidence that you have gathered.

Mark Colvin, a good friend of mine who died recently and was one of the best journalists of his generation, used to liken journalism to looking at a sculpture or painting at an art gallery – walking around it and looking at it from each and every angle. That’s what I tried to do with my book.

I quote Scientologists who thought the inquiry in Australia was unfair, but I also spoke to people who participated in the inquiry and thought it was perfectly reasonable. I outline the key role Scientologists played in exposing psychiatric abuses in a private hospital in Sydney and the heroic efforts of a Scientologist nurse who went in undercover and accessed medical files and gathered evidence of malpractice.

I quote Marty talking about how James Packer benefited from Scientology.

I make the case that the ban on Scientology in three states in Australia was wrong and defend the right of people to believe in whatever they want to believe in.

How is any of this part of a “pile on”? To quote Marty’s own words about Larry Wright back at him, “the facts don’t suit his narrative.”

In his videos, he takes morsels of information, distorts them and shapes them into the narrative that he wants to tell at this point in time.

I don’t know why Marty is saying what he’s saying now. I’m not going to guess at his motivations, like he likes to guess about others. But I will say I am grateful to him for the two interviews he gave to me back when he was speaking out about Scientology, and speaking out about things he had first-hand experience with. When he did, he was an excellent source, and helped me immensely with my chapters relating to Nicole Kidman and Rupert Murdoch.

Unfortunately, Marty is now engaging in the kinds of distortions and over the top language that was a hallmark of Hubbard. This is at its worst when he describes people who oppose Scientology, or who are critical of Scientology, as being in some form of cult.

Marty likes to portray himself as a deep thinker and if you have read his blog posts over the years they often refer to books he’s read and some of the ideas that have emerged from those books. But his capacity for critical thinking seems to have abandoned him of late.

By describing critics and opponents and journalists who cover Scientology as being part of what he calls the “Anti-Scientology Cult” or “ASC,” is some of the laziest thinking and analysis I’ve come across. Marty uses terms in his videos that you learn in first year philosophy like “sophistry” and “straw man arguments” and the Latin term “reductio ad absurdum.”

One fallacy he fails to mention and it applies to his argument about the Anti-Scientology Cult is the concept of false equivalence. Cults control people. They tend to have strong charismatic leaders who use discipline, punishment, mind control and threats of deprivation to their followers as a means of controlling them.

I don’t see any of the people Marty mentions in this so called ASC controlling anybody.

Do they make them wear a preposterous naval uniform?

Make them sign billion-year contracts?

Send them off the the RPF?

Enforce a policy of disconnection so they will never see their family members again?

Engage in human trafficking?

Throw children in a chain locker?

Tell them if they leaving “the ASC” that eternal life will allude them?

Ring them up and hound them for money?

Tell them they have to buy whole new sets of books now that the punctuation has been modified by the cult leader?

Tell them they can’t read negative press about “the ASC” on the internet?

It’s an absurd argument and is deeply offensive.

It diminishes and trivialises the suffering of people who have been exposed to the real trauma of a real cult. People here tonight like Bernie Headley and Phil and Willie Jones who can’t see their children because of Scientology’s policy of disconnection.

It is an outrageous false equivalence and if Marty’s going to try and shoot holes in other people’s arguments he ought to get his own arguments in order first.

The last time I spoke to Marty on the phone was in June 2015. I looked up my notes from that conversation earlier today. I was struck by the section where I was telling him some of the stories I had uncovered and I asked him to keep it to himself until publication and he said no problem.

“I’m not in the gossip circles,” he told me “I’ve been very critical of them [he’s talking about people he considers anti-scientologists] because I think it takes on the trappings of a cult in a way. So don’t worry about that.”

Notice the moderation in his tone. He says, “the trappings of a cult in a way.” That has now morphed into absolutist terms. Critics are now members of a cult.

People he once praised, he now trashes. Long term friends or journalists and film makers he was once happy to work with are now written off as liars or members of “the troll farm”. Something has changed. Only Marty, and perhaps whoever is still close to him, knows what’s driven that change.

 
— Steve Cannane

 
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Chris Shelton from HowdyCon!

Wow, we didn’t know Chris was putting together a video while he was at HowdyCon. We’re humbled by everything in this very appreciated look at our annual gathering.

 

 
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Aaron Smith-Levin on the claims made by Marty Rathbun

Jeffrey Augustine talks with Aaron about the recent unpleasantness.

 

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Sacre bleu! Scientologists marching against les drogues in France…

 

 
The planned Kansas City Ideal Org sure will be responsible for a lot of territory!

 

 
Jim Meskimen and Erika Christensen and that favorite necklace of Jim’s that is totally not what you think it is.

 

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,796 days.
Jamie Sorrentini Lugli has not seen her father Irving in 2,553 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,899 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,393 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,433 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,145 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 671 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,760 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,900 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,220 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,195 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 551 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,853 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 960 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,362 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,235 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 816 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,321 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,565 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,674 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on June 29, 2017 at 07:00

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  • Mockingbird

    Steve Cannane hit it out of the park. He collected together and wrote out better than I would have so many of my feelings and thoughts on Marty Rathbun. I have said a bit here and there and made individual arguments against the cult label for critics and that Marty Rathbun is frankly not honest or accurate and callous to the people Scientology harms but Steve gave a far better argument than I have and put it all together.

    I definitely look forward to reading his book.

    • Liberated

      Plus, he looks all right too.

      • mockingbird

        If you like the tall handsome and good looking type.

        • Liberated

          Uhhhh…oui.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    WARNING ABOUT MARTY’S VIDEOS!!
    They are so boring that you could easily fall asleep in front of your computer and when you wake up, you might suffer from pain in the neck and the shoulders or this could even cause serious back pain.
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eea8cf6b5760a25c86f2321b077d59f5f5282e5899c8e6cad0aaf6da34eba14e.gif

  • Harpoona Frittata

    WARNING: $cn-related Troll Site

    Whoever is now operating Mutty’s “Moving on Down a Little Lower” blog site appears to be deleting the comments of select posters and substituting a word-for-word copy of a lengthy diatribe against Tony without their knowledge or permission.

    This happened on the 27th to Grasshopper and webber517gdw, who have both denied posting the long smear entry that appears under their user names (see here https://markrathbun.blog/2017/06/28/leah-remini-and-her-troublemakers-part-9/#comments )

    The exact same diatribe was published on the 28th as well, under the user name “COB”. It seems that instead of following Mutty’s previous pattern of just deleting posts which didn’t agree with him, whoever is now in control of the site is spamming this long attack post against Tony by deleting the content of select posters and substituting the attack post under these users’ handles, without their knowledge or permission.

    It’s reprehensible enough to edit out all opposing views, but to delete poster’s comments, then substitute someone else’s words under their name, is evil troll behavior that everyone should be aware of.

    Please don’t feed the evil troll(s) who’s now running Mutty’s blog by posting there…that is, unless you don’t mind having someone else’s words put in your mouth.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Yes, it was mistakenly thought that webber517 was a troll when he posted here yesterday (or was it the day before?) to explain that he hadn’t in fact posted that diatribe about Tony. I can understand why the mistake was made, but it does seem to be the case that the poor guy was piled on unfairly.

      • Glen

        That might have been me doing some of the piling on. He kind of came on strong with an obscene message without warning. Whether he was just relaying what was substituted or not, it felt immediately to me very invasive.

        I may have been overly sensitive in part because his comment came up first thing when I logged on. I still feel somewhat traumatized from when I logged on some weeks back and immediately was assaulted by the vile images of a cyber attack.

        I may very well owe Mr. Webber an apology but I was probably so harsh that he will not return.

        I can not, for the life of me, understand why anyone would post to Marty’s blog at this point. Is there some sort of illusion that it will stimulate a fair conversation or have any impact at all other than being misused?

        • Supper Powers

          Oh, geeze. I encouraged you with upvotes. It’s an honest mistake.

        • To create dissension among criticts – just as you describe.

        • TexasBroad

          Mr. Webber’s comment (which he included in his comment here advising that it had been changed) was pretty awful. I don’t like that it was changed, but it should not have been published in any event.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I am so glad I was safely tucked up in bed when those awful images were posted here, Glen. That’s the sort of thing that could scar you for life. Please understand I wasn’t being critical, I know lots of people assumed he was trolling because of the crude nature of his opening comment. It just turns out that we were wrong in this case. It’s like you to immediately put your hands up to it, though. You’re a good person 🙂

          • Glen

            Thank you.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Part of the difficulty there was that webber517 was not very articulate in describing exactly what occurred in this instance. Plus, no one seemed to have any history with him/her and, when no one can vouch for you around here and you’re spouting what sounds like rubbish, it’s not likely to end well 😉

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Yes, now that the exact same post has been re-posted on the following day under yet another user name, it seems clear that whoever is in charge of his blog now is spamming that lengthy diatribe against Tony.

        Perhaps the plan there is to piss off even his most loyal butt nuzzlers, so that no one comments there at all, thus making it into a zombie site that the cult can link to in order to pretend that the Mutty videos were created independently and without cult backing or participation.

        If that is indeed the case, then look for the archives of his past $cn-critical blog posts to eventually be deleted, when it will be less obvious to do so than it is now.

        • Qbird

          smells like John Sugg. just sayin’

          • Harpoona Frittata

            It sure does! Someone put some real time and effort into creating that very long blog post. So, it sure wouldn’t surprise me if they put John or one of the very few remaining literate cultists up to it.

            However, spamming it by using those deceptive and dishonest means just doesn’t seem like a good idea because no one is fooled for long, but you’re credibility ends up getting completely trashed…which just might be the intended outcome here, if the cult’s intent is to wind down Mutty’s blog and turn it into a zombie site.

    • pluvo

      It’s more than evil troll behavior – its forgery and deception. I’m wondering if this was done with more commenters than those they were caught with.

      The most ethical people on the planet? Yeah, right!

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Got that right! Whatever very short term gain one might achieve by doing something like that is very quickly turned into a loss, when folks catch onto the ploy, quit posting there and spread the word about his deception.

        I quit posting there quite awhile back because Mutty routinely censored out comments that were either in disagreement with him or raised questions that he didn’t want to answer. However, to my knowledge, he’s never done anything this blatantly dishonest and deceptive on his blog before.

        In addition, since posting this video series, he has not responded to any of the folks who’ve commented on his blog, even when asked direct questions concerning them by his own petting zebra regulars.

        For these reasons, it seems like a good possibility that Mutty is no longer in charge of his blog and that whoever is now running it doesn’t care at all about how engaging in such dishonest and deceptive behavior will impact his credibility and perceived trustworthiness.

        • I’ve been sayin’ it. I think Marty handed over access to his blog and e-mail to Scientology.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            It’s looking more and more like that with every passing day.

    • Not only is that horrible, but it’s disturbing that the WordPress platform even allows something like that to happen.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        That’s an excellent point, Derek. Since this just began happening recently, it may not have come to their attention yet.

        On the 27th, when this long diatribe against Tony was first published under two different user names, it wasn’t at all clear exactly what was occurring. But when both of the individuals whose post were hijacked reported it, and it happened to a third individual the next day, the reality of the situation became much more clear.

        I’m sure the nice folks at WordPress don’t appreciate this kind of shenanigans because it reflects poorly on their brand as well. Strange days indeed over at Mutty the Muppet’s blog…or should I say, the blog formerly owned and operated by the $cn Warrior?

        • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

          I don’t believe his blog is on WordPress anymore… when you go to markrathbun dot wordpress dot com, it immediately transfers you to https://markrathbun dot blog/. (Also, I believe I read over on ESMB that the new address was paid for by Scientology the same day as a number of other Sci sites were paid for…)

    • PeaceMaker

      It all looks a bit amateurish, if not even crazed.

      And comments trashing Miscavige, are still being let through.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Who do you think is behind the triple posting of that long diatribe against Tony, which was deceptively posted under three different users’ handles, and why would someone do something that blatantly dishonest?

        It couldn’t have been some sort of accident, because it’s occurred three times over two days, with no explanation, apology or correction. So, what do you think is the most plausible explanation here?

        • PeaceMaker

          It looks to me like just the sort of thing that a conspiracy theory obsessed guy with a wife and kid, would do in his spare time at night.

          I’ll throw you a bone, and say that a plausible case could be made that more is going on behind the scenes. But it sure looks like Rathbun’s amateur hour up front.

          The other thing that occurs to me, assuming the videos are what they were introduced as, is that the documentarian or interviewer who let Rathbun have the “cuts,” might have refused to give him material airing his more or less libelous rant against Ortega, and thus he’s left to finish off that part of his “other side of the story” through puppets on his blog.

          • Harpoona Frittata

            But why, if he is acting independently and not being paid or coerced by the cult, would he choose this moment to gratuitously go after one of his best friends so viciously? Why would he utterly destroy his ability to get paid as an expert $cn-related witness or consultant? Why would he betray the trust and friendship of so many?

            There’s just no upside to doing all that and tons of downside. If he was merely angry, then, after a couple of days of hurting himself just to vent his anger, he’d be sure to stop himself before he got anywhere near the complete and total destruction of his credibility and trustworthiness, wouldn’t you think?

            He doesn’t appear to be mentally incompetent either. So, I just don’t see any other plausible hypotheses out there at this late point in time, especially now that his videos are being hosted on the cult’s site. You can link to other folks work, but you can’t present them as the cult has without permission.

            I’ve just never heard you or any of Mutty’s dwindling ranks of supporters make a clear case for any other plausible scenario here.

            • PeaceMaker

              Harpoona, Rathbun seems to me to have been on a slow downward spiral, slowly losing his followers and then finally alienating his remaining allies like Alanzo, telling people he “doesn’t care” – and increasingly abandoning any pretense of “balance,” and descending into conspiracy theorizing. He may not be mentally competent, but he seems to be deteriorating in his ability to deal with the world.

              He’s already been isolated, marginalized, and no longer in demand, for a couple of years now – probably in part due to his growing self-defeating behaviors, like the strange things he began to do with his blog. It thus doesn’t surprise me that we’re seeing a combination of melting down and lashing out, that just may not quite make sense.

              Have you really never known someone to withdraw into behaviors that are self-defeating and irrational? I certainly have, and there are plenty of case studies and public figures that have exemplified that as well.

              Someone over at ESMB just pointed out something interesting, that when Rathbun was still a sort of independent scientologist, doing auditing, he was making good money and had followers. I wonder if he is trying to somehow return to that.

              I have yet to see a case made that CofS’ use of Rathbun’s video material conclusively proves approval by Rathbun, though I might have missed something. Then there’s the ongoing amateur bumbling that I’ve referred to, that is inconsistent with the theory that the CofS is running the show.

              I don’t think there’s a clear case for any scenario.

              And I certainly hope you’re not really equating me with Rathbun’s supporters.

              At times it almost seems to me that you have an idealized vision of Rathbun as the rational, calculating Scientology Warrior, that you can’t let go of, as if you can’t consider that he might no longer be the man he once was (if he ever really was), now weakened and miscalculating – and maybe even self-destructive.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              “And I certainly hope you’re not really equating me with Rathbun’s supporters.”

              No, definitely not. I was just saying that there is an ever-dwindling number of folks – mostly made up of his loyalists – who, somehow, still managed to come up with scenarios that, somehow, didn’t involve the cherch gaining influence over him.

              “He may not be mentally competent, but he seems to be deteriorating in his ability to deal with the world.”

              I think you meant to say “incompetent” there, right? I spent almost three decades working in the mental health field and know crazy when I see it. Mutty displays none of the signs of the kind of serious mental illness that would render him so him incompetent as to no longer be able to make judgements and determine his own behavior at all. Other than what we know of him through his videos and previous blog posts, there’s objective information that I’m aware of to support the conjecture that he’s deteriorating in his ability to deal with the world. Do you know something that I don’t?

              “Someone over at ESMB just pointed out something interesting, that when
              Rathbun was still a sort of independent scientologist, doing auditing,
              he was making good money and had followers. I wonder if he is trying to
              somehow return to that.”

              How would what he’s done in betraying confidences and turning on friends help him to build an independent auditing business!? It’s done the exact opposite; there’s no one but five or six very loopy members of his petting zoo who’re left that see him as being anything but a dishonest and untrustworthy.

              This goes right to the central point that I was making about his recent actions completely destroying any possibility of making money out of anything $cn-related. He’s so utterly destroyed his credibility that there will be no more work for him as an expert witness or consultant, and after betraying Dani Lemberger’s confidentiality, you have to be crazy to trust him as your auditor….no upside whatsoever and lots of downside concerning his livelihood.

              “At times it almost seems to me that you have an idealized vision of
              Rathbun as the rational, calculating Scientology Warrior, that you can’t
              let go of, as if you can’t consider that he might no longer be the man
              he once was (if he ever really was), now weakened and miscalculating –
              and maybe even self-destructive.”

              No, I see him as a Bob Minton type of individual, someone who put himself out there as leading the charge against the cherch – and especially against lil davey – who put himself in the cult’s sights and became cult enemy #1…and we all know just how far the cult will go to do whatever is needed, pay any price, tell any lie, to neutralize or destroy those who threaten the cherch that seriously.

              They couldn’t destroy him, despite spending huge sums, so the next best thing was to neutralize him…or, I should say, put him in a position to discredit himself because the cult lacks the credibility to do that itself.

              If lil davey is willing to spend millions to track and surveil the very non-threatening Pat Broecker for three decades, then how much more would he be willing to spend to neutralize the guy who knows where all the cult bodies are buried?

              If Mutty was merely enraged on a personal basis and targeting those he felt were most responsible for spreading hurtful rumors about the couple’s mysterious withdrawal of their civil suit, then that surely wouldn’t include his former best buddy, Mike Rinder, because Mike has adamantly refused to speculate on the matter and has never said that he didn’t believe the couple’s account of why they chose to settle in the way that they did. Similarly, most of the folks that he’s gone out of his way to trash, such as amy and Matt, had nothing to say or do with that either. Rage might explain why he’s gone after Tony, but it does not come anywhere near explaining why he’s chosen to betray his friends.

              You seem attached to a counter-narrative for which no one has even tried to build a logical argument, one which only makes sense if Mutty is so mentally incompetent that he’s unable to understand the consequences and repercussions of his behavior on his own livelihood and on the last of his friendships and trust relationships. I just don’t see any evidence of that kind of mental illness at all. Indeed, his long pauses, looking to notes and very carefully worded position changes evidence a wily and calculating mind.

              If seeing the Mutty video series being featured on the cult’s web sites, not as a mere link embedded in some other cult propaganda, doesn’t say cult-owned and operated to you as the first likely possibility, than I’ve got a bridge for sale that I’m sure you’ll be interesting in hearing more about;)

            • PeaceMaker

              Harpoona, maybe it comes down to your seeing Rathbun as a Bob Minton type character, as you put it, while I see him as more a Barbara Schwarz type character – she apparently isn’t incompetent, or that would have been at issue in her extensive legal engagements, but she’s certainly delusional, probably largely dysfunctional, and likely has cut herself off from the world.

              I’ve seen people descend into anti-social and self-destructive behavior, including needlessly cutting themselves off from family and friends. I was thinking of trying to find a famous case similar to Rathbun’s, but then it struck me – there’s Hubbard, who betrayed and demonized almost all his friends and associates, and unnecessarily made enemies.

              One of the things that conspiracy theories demonstrate, is that stories full of drama, are more attractive than ones that deal with human foibles and weaknesses.

              And the first 6 Rathbun videos were put on the CofS smear website after they came out, and then the following two were added – but not the two latest. Again, that doesn’t look like real organizational coordination to me.

              I’m not sure any theory can be said to be more or less likely, but I’d tend to go for the one that’s simple and take things at face value, involves compassion by assuming human failing – and that doesn’t play into Rathbun’s obvious needs for adulation and attention.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Other than lil davey and his psycophants, there are very, very few people on the planet who are going to be feeding Mutty’s need for adulation and attention, after this little self-annihilation tour draws to a close.

              ” I was thinking of trying to find a famous case similar to Rathbun’s,
              but then it struck me – there’s Hubbard, who betrayed and demonized
              almost all his friends and associates, and unnecessarily made enemies.”

              The real EP of $cn is to aquire, through lots of super-expensive auditing, Elron’s very real mental illness “case,” super sticky BTs and all. So, in that sense you could say that all $cilons are either crazy or working hard to get there, including Mutty.

              Time will tell and we’ll figure it out. I don’t mind being wrong, if it turns out that way, but I definitely smell cult involvement here, so I’ll be completely shocked if it turns out that Mutty’s career-ending, friendship-ending, self -neutering was all of his own free choice. He was either bought or blackmailed by the cult, I’ll give 2:1 odds on that.

            • PeaceMaker

              Harpoona, one of my suspicions is that Rathbun is isolated and starting to slip into delusion enough, that he imagined that this gambit would result in restoring him to some position of prominence – as obviously miscalculated and out of touch that my seem. It would fit with the conspiracy theorist mindset, for him to expect people to flock to him once he laid out the truth as he saw it.

              Marty started “getting weird,” as Tony put it, 2 years before the lawsuit pullout. He was, for instance, posting some of the same critiques of Going Clear that he aired in his videos, and then going out to promoting the book and later the movie.

              I’ve never ruled out the CofS having some hand in this, but I expect we’ll find that was more indirect, and that he’s been acting, well, more Hubbard-like on his own.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T

    But I am in the process of designing and building a zipline.
    Look what I got today 🙂

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/89838f95f2cc3733e461988da1373e6d4b52a9bfc4b56720b60d63a7f8b5e592.jpg

    Heart-shaped and beautiful like the Bunker.
    180 feet of high-speed fun coming up.
    And, like $cientology, it goes down fast.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      The fun those boys are going to have!

      Their dad, too 🙂

    • Rasha

      Oh. My. Xenu. O.O

    • Draco

      Things are so hi-tech nowadays. When I was a kid, we just had an upside down T shaped bar to hold onto – no harness, helmets or safety gear. Rope (not cable) was strung between 2 trees over a river or body of water, and the only way to not hit the tree you were speeding towards, was to let go of the bar and land in the water.
      Was great fun 😀

      • Rasha

        That sounds so amazing!!!!!

        • Draco

          It was! And we called it a Foofy Slide. You also had to climb up the tree to get onto it.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Foofy? How did you come up the name?

            • Draco

              I didn’t. That’s what they were called here.

            • Puget Buckeye

              Thanks. I learned something new today.

            • Draco

              Every day in the Bunker, we learn something new. And they call us a cult!

      • When I was young, when we got a cut we didn’t have none of these fancy band-aids, or antiseptics.
        No, we just let it fester and get infected.
        And we liked it.

        • Draco

          And when it finally started healing, we picked at the scab repeatedly, and were left with a lovely scar as proof of our adventure.

        • Liberated

          We were told no matter the injury – ahh, just walk it off.

      • Kestrel

        We had one of those, too.

    • Glen

      I’m sure your zipline will be fantastic. What fun the boys will be having.

      There is a pretty amazing zipline close to me that goes through the redwoods. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ba1085408ee174213bc69bf04b62c6181900216d73884e1d8435eb97b359b7a2.jpg

      • UhLasare

        I went to summer camp in the redwoods for years as a kid, and we ziplined. This is my happy place. When I need a happy place, I imagine myself back in those redwoods in that mountain air.

        • Glen

          Nice memory and thoughts, Uhlasare. This particular zipline is near the town of Occidental off Bohemian Hwy in west Sonoma county.

          And how cool is it that Pan has the imagination and skills to create a home zipline.

  • Rasha

    Lumbering, they came
    without rhythm or cadence
    just

    noise

    …and they, in their very small group,
    could each only see the surrounding few, and thought,
    “the streets must be filled! I cannot see beyond this throng!”

    …and then the noise was gone.
    …and no one remembered the droning.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea67289fbe76f85def8eeac14271c9dbd9d3e8b35429ccb192f203c40ebd2cf2.jpg

    • Sherbet

      That’s deep, Rasha. Deep.

  • Ugh. I feel the same way about the small penis jokes as I do about the short jokes. Just stop with that stuff already.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I think I made one. Sorry, Derek, it won’t happen again.

      • I wasn’t looking for an apology. My comment was rhetorical. I’m sure there are lots of short people and people with small penises that participate in the comments here. It’s fine if you think someone may have a small penis or that they might be short, but to use that as a character judgement is unfair.

        • Observer

          I don’t want to think about any of these people’s junk. 🤢

          • Yes but we should be considerate of others in what we are saying. That means that while you don’t have to think about the junk, we should consider how what we are saying might affect people who are reading it. Even if it’s not directed at them.

            Also, change “any” to “some” and I feel the same way.

            • mygirltuesday

              Now Obs gets to think about you thinking about the some.

            • Observer

              I don’t make junk jokes. I do, however, feel that Captain Miscavige’s and Tom Cruise’s heights accurately represent their characters. I don’t make height jokes about anyone else, nor do I even really notice. Heck, Mr Observer is several inches shorter than I am.

            • Kestrel

              All I know is, I will always look up to you, Observer.

            • Observer

              You are a man of high stature in my book. Not even joking.

            • Honestly, I think that you feeling that the shortness of Tom and Dave is representative of their evil nature is a mindset that you should reassess. Along with a lot of other people here.

              It’s fun to make jokes about people’s height when you are teasing friends. It helps to alleviate insecurities, too. But I don’t ever think that someone’s appearance is representative of their character.

            • Observer

              I view it as more of a representation of their lack of humanity, but mostly as a failure of Scientology–if it worked, they’d be well over six feet tall. Instead they resort to lifts and ridiculous bouffant hair. But I will absolutely think about what you’re saying.

            • Think of it more this way. Being short is not a bad quality. Being tall is not a good quality. Height is simply a part of our physical appearance that we cannot control. The implication that short = bad and tall = good is wrong and unfair.

            • Observer

              It’s not short = bad, it’s that these two particular short people are bad, and the cult they push and abuse people with can’t make them as tall as they want to be, or do anything else they claim. Hubs was tall, and he was just as bad, and in some ways worse.

            • Observer

              Definitely will take this under advisement though. I don’t want to cause pain to someone who may be struggling with the issue.

            • Sherbet

              I think DM’s and TC’s heights have informed their personalities in that they seem to overcompensate for being short by being arrogant. “Napoleon Complex” might be anecdotal, but a high school boy who is shorter than his peers can be scrappier than most. My opinion, and I’ve seen it in RL, although I know it isn’t scientific.

              I’m with you, Obs.

        • PattyCakenfeld

          It wasn’t so much a comment as a command that people change their behavior.

          • I’m not in a position where words coming out of my mouth could be construed as commands. One day maybe, but that day is not today. This was a rhetorical comment.

            It’s not hard to figure out what that means. Most browsers you can highlight the word, right click and there will be a “search for” option. You should be able to figure out what that means.

    • Rasha

      …it’s not about cooking utensils? Rasha got a letter wrong again???

  • Steve Cannane spoke incredibly well at HowdyCon and covered some amazing background info on how Scientology developed the way it did. I could have listened to him talk all evening, although part of that might have been the Australian accent and handsome demeanor. I confess to a bit of man-crush here.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I know Marty doesn’t rate Steve’s writing, which must crush him, but I got on everyone’s nerves here when his book was released and I kept tearing myself away to rave in our comments about how great it was.

      • Bo

        I remember that. I think you should get a commission on the books you helped sell. You convinced me. And you were right. I couldn’t put it down. When I read Marty’s stuff I can’t put it down fast enough.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          It’s my second favourite after Miss Lovely 🙂 I will take my commission in hair clips. I bought 20 yesterday – today they are all gone. What is it with hair grips and socks?!

          • Bo

            I love Miss Lovely! That guy who wrote it (haha) did such a great job of describing everything that anyone could read that book and get it. Well, maybe not current members of the cult. I’ve recommended it to both my sisters who were never in.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        It’s a very well-written and well-researched book that reads like the best historical fiction, except that it’s not fiction at all! Very highly recommended!

    • Dibythesea

      I agree Phil! Maybe he will do a audio version of his book. His accent was dreamy:)

  • JAYE R

    Thanks Tony and Steve Cannane. You’re preaching to the choir here – and we get it! Well written response. Nobody’s believing in MBs sermons from the mount!

  • Lindsay

    Off topic…but can I just remind everyone that today marks the 5th anniversary of Katie leaving Tom and CO$.
    It’s a celebration b*tches!

    • Sherbet

      That’s what pushed me into the Village Voice for full-time sci coverage.

      • Lindsay

        I too was hooked as of that moment. Katie Holmes – Stealth Ninja

        • Sherbet

          I had lurked around the VV under a different name — which I can’t recall — but the Katie Holmes exit grabbed me.

    • Alright!

      I was in Dublin for an international Anon protest. Happy days.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Miscavige’s boomerang did come back: It was Marty!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd14NxZuvGg

    • Rasha

      Now you’ve done it. My introduction to Rolf Harris was this sketch on I’m sorry I’ll Read That Again…..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtmt6WinUA

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      It broke my heart when Rolf Harris was arrested and jailed for indecent assaults on various teenagers and girls. Another childhood hero who turned out to be a horrible person. My sister and I had a homemade didgeridoo and would sing this song in our tree house 😛

      • Rasha

        Did not know about that, but I won’t let it ruin humor of the Prune Radio production below….

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Me neither. I’m listening to it now – Two Little Boys is the most saccharine song ever written but it still makes me cry!

          • Rasha

            Many, many years ago, I made my first international trip – alone, at that – to Ireland. I sat at the end of the pier in Dun Laoghaire with ISIRTA playing on the Walkman, in tears, laughing. Lovely days.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              That was really courageous of you! Did you love Ireland? I have only been to Dublin twice (since I met Pete and John) but I’m dying to see the rest of the island. Mum did a tour 2 years back and fell in love.

            • Rasha

              So loved it! A week in Dublin, a week in Co. Clare. Many memory. ^_^

          • mOstSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

            My sister and I had the kids record. It had Two Little Boys on one side and Court of King Caractarus on the other side. I can still remember every word and sing the songs, without any effort, 40 plus years later.

      • I was going to buy a didgeridoo, but I in the end, I didgerididn’t.

        • Glen

          groan…..

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Applause!

          Ours was made out of 6 loo rolls taped together. We played that bad boy like pros.

          • I know someone who had a slide didgeridoo – it was built like a telescope and worked like a trombone.

            I found that bottom of the birdcage worked better than a wobble board. Unfortunately, despite this stroke of luck, my musical career didn’t take off. I could only practice when me and me Mam were cleaning out the budgie, and tended to flip bird dropping all over the carpet.

            • Sherbet

              You certainly struggled for your art…

        • Laugh of the day.
          No you didgerididn’t.

      • Lolow 0708

        “I’ve got hair oil on me ears an me glasses slipping down, but baiby I can see through you”. Loved Rolf Harris. Sad. Is he still living? Is he “didgiredone?

        • mOstSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

          He’s 87 and in gaol in England. He was tried and convicted, of sexually abusing minors, a couple of years ago. He was accused of sexual abuse that, apparently spanned his whole career, by many victims.
          He was also tried on other sexual assaults while in prison too but after 2 mistrials they didn’t try again to prosecute.
          He seems unrepentant and a song he wrote victim blaming his targets was smuggled out but discovered.
          He was a beloved children’s entertainer in the UK with his own show, wrote books on dealing with strangers and others that were the opposite of who he really was.
          It’s sad but he’s not the only UK children’s entertainer to face revelations decades after they started their crimes.
          Edit (thanks gtsix.) He was released after serving half his sentence last month.

          • gtsix

            He’s been released, FYI.

            • mOstSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

              Really, ok thanks for letting me know. I followed it for a while but the whole thing was so depressing.

  • JAYE R

    I like what Aaron Levin-Smith said about Marty is a recent YT vid. Marty is the only person he knows who went and out of the SO 3 times! Conflicted… ya think?

    edit: just listened to Jeffrey Augustine and Aaron posted here and they go over Marty’s in and out also. Interesting comments by Jeffrey on reversion.

  • mygirltuesday

    Di, here I am (everyone pls ignore).

    • Dibythesea

      Hey girl!

      • Kestrel

        Hi, Di!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Hi Tuesday, Diana and Kestrel!

          • Dibythesea

            Lol! Hey guys!

          • mygirltuesday

            Hi! What did I start?

            • Kestrel

              Proof that we ignored your message. Or didn’t. We’re all just a bunch of rebels and scofflaws around here.

            • Draco

              Scofflaw – a new word for me – I went and word-cleared it and all 🙂
              (But I didn’t use it in sentences…)

            • Liberated

              There’s an entire Seinfeld episode devoted to that word.

            • Draco

              Must have missed it. Or forgot it. Which is very likely 🙂

            • vwd … lettuce no if ewe knead two clay demo

            • Draco

              2 clay demo? Wun not enuf?

            • watt, y u know wanna fork on a the table?

              (this one is a classic A++)
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAFQFvSPhQ8

            • Draco

              Son of a beach! 😀

            • Glen

              Getting the cult rules right is like herding cats.

            • TexasBroad

              I can’t tell you how many time I used that analogy at HowdyCon!!

            • Kestrel

              I can. It was 47.

            • salin

              Hi Texas Broad! (I missed you before — oops)

            • Allied Scofflaws of Cat-herding

              ?

              http://i.imgur.com/Yj9Xe2A.gifv

            • Rasha

              ASC Revealed – This week on “MartyVid – Episodes 32 – 47”

            • salin

              Aka: how to talk to a plant, literally, and play make believe.

            • mygirltuesday

              Plant: “I’m good. Pls ignore.”

            • Rasha

              HI PLANT!!!! *waves*

            • Draco

              Okay – that’s done it. You made us laugh so now you have to stay!

            • Draco

              Much better!

            • Rasha

              Hi! I didn’t hear anything here – just shouting “Hi!”.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Hey BOTH my girls! First thing I said to the hubs when I got back was, “I need to take a girls’ trip to TX!” Had such a great time hanging with all of you and feeling so instantly comfortable & at home – can’t wait to hang out!

        • Dibythesea

          I have met so many wonderful people on this blog and you are no exception😍😍
          Sweet and adorable😉
          That would be so much fun! Let’s make this happen Anita and TexasBroad!

    • Draco

      And here you are. Hi Tuesday 🙂

      • Rasha

        Hi, Draco! Oh – sorry. Thought you were waving at me.

        • Draco

          Hi Rasha! Always waving at you! You make me smile :)))

          • Rasha

            #^_^#

    • salin

      Hi, Di – and Draco, and Diby, and Kestral, and Andrea, and Rasha, and Glen, and Liberated – heck Hellooo Bunkaroos!

      • Glen

        hi

      • Kestrel

        Hi, salin!

      • Draco

        Hi Salin! XXX

      • (i’m ignoring you)

        (j/k)

        (or am i?)

        • salin

          I missed you (don’t type and scroll down real well, I guess) – Special apology and greeting to Succulent Duck!

      • Rasha

        Ignore me. I’m just saying “Hi!”.

        But HI, SALIN!!!!!

        • mygirltuesday

          I was going to delete my original comment within a few seconds, I swear. My apologies. Pls ignore.

          • Kestrel

            Please don’t. We’re having fun.

            • Rasha

              Hi, Kes!!!!

            • Kestrel

              Hi, Rasha!

          • Rasha

            Totally ignored! HI Tuesday!!!! =^_^=

            No deleting. Just sayin’. 😛

          • salin

            No – to ignore. You started – unintentionally – a playful set of interactions and reactions. Thanks for that. (And chime in, any time!)

          • Draco

            Too late – you are one of us now :0
            Drinkie?

            • mygirltuesday

              That was easy. YES.

    • Kestrel

      PRO TIP: To have the Bunkerues ignore your post, simply produce a 47-line paragraph with a liberal sprinkling of words in ALL CAPS. It always works for me.

      • salin

        JUST DO THE SURVEY!

        edited to add – a real followup response (multiple times) to one such post that aside from the mocked statement I typed, was roundly ignored.

      • Rasha

        This is true.

      • Draco

        Ditto. And don’t forget the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Rasha

      (my co-workers are wondering why I’m laughing so hard….) ^_^

      • Draco

        Luckily I’m at home, so it’s only my cat wondering.

      • mygirltuesday

        They need to pls ignore.

        • Rasha

          I said “Hi!” to them all….

    • Jimmy3

      I don’t know what is happening but this song
      http://youtu.be/a00_tPLcE_g

    • TexasBroad

      That didn’t quite work out the way you meant it to my friend, but it certainly worked out beautifully!
      “Pls ignore” – lol!

  • Mooser42001

    I gotta say Marty Rathbun is doing the best imitation of a man terrified by blackmail I ever saw.

  • Andrew Robertson

    Terrific piece by Steve Cannane!

    If Mr Rathbun was C. J. Dennis, and a Strine speaker perhaps he would reply:

    ‘Is name’s Cannane…Well, spare me bloomin’ days!
    You could er knocked me down wiv ‘arf a brick!
    Yes, me, that kids meself I know their ways,
    An’ ‘as a name for smoogin’ in our click!
    I just lines up ‘an tips the saucy wink.
    But strike! The way he piled on dawg! Yer’d think
    A bloke was givin’ back-chat to the Quaen….
    ‘Is name’s Cannane.

    Andrew

  • Liberated

    Just finished Jeffrey’s interview with Aaron, wow was it good.

    Near the end, Jeffrey talks about Leah’s ” Aftermath ” being up for an Emmy – that’s not something that happens to reality tv shows, and he’s hoping so much it wins (aren’t we all.)

    Wouldn’t that be great, put that in your pipe and smoke it, Marty !
    What d’ya say now …hot shot ?

    • Ha ha. Emmy vs loser.

      • salin

        Emmy vs. pay for clicks. Gulp that down, Marty.

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      I don’t consider Aftermath a reality show. Reality tv usually has to do more with entertainment and titillation. Aftermath deals with facts supported by scientology’s own policies.

      I’m off to do dishes and listen to the Jeffrey’s interview right now.

      • salin

        I have read a term that capture’s its unique genre – not reality tv, but also not a documentary a relative hybrid. Was it Docudrama? Maybe someone remembers the term.

        • Draco

          Docu-series?

          • salin

            That sounds right.

            • Draco

              I think docudrama is something from real life but portrayed by actors rather than interviews with the people themselves.

            • salin

              That would be ‘My Scientology Movie’ – at least the reenactment part.

      • Liberated

        That was the argument, Marty said it was reality show but it’s really a documentary.

        • Helen Van Patterson Patton

          I misunderstood. I haven’t been listening to Marty. But that sounds like him from what I’ve glimpsed. What a tool he is.

  • Everyone must watch Ana Navarro’s take down of Donald Rump.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNWLwHExP5U

    • Draco

      I like her! 70 year old man baby!

      • This woman put it as clearly as it could be.
        Yeah, I’m not familiar with her, but I love her immediately.
        Geez Republicans, when? If not now, when?

        • rayne troika sheep troll

          its very sad… i have friends/relatives who still post things trying to misdirect and avoid actually looking at the issues…
          if you say, what about this? they go “well, obama….”
          i’m like, how does that make this ok?????
          denial is not just a river in egypt…. but seriously….
          “Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” Martin Luther King Jr.

          • “if you say, what about this? they go “well, obama….”
            i’m like, how does that make this ok????? ”

            These people never got the first lesson in life, sadly. (And they are stupid)
            Remember as a child when you would say, “But Johnny does it too!”?
            I don’t think I even have to say what the response was, but I will,
            “That doesn’t make it right.”

            • Draco

              You had nice parents. That response from me would have earned me a wack on the bum.

            • I did have the greatest parents in the world.
              They also were avid ping-pong players.
              And in those days, the ping-pong paddles had nubs on the surface.
              Do you see where I’m going with this?

            • Draco

              I do 😛

            • rayne troika sheep troll

              exactly !!
              can’t help compare the tactics to how Mike Rinder explained cult policy on dealing with reporting… stop the story, if you can’t stop it, misdirect, if you can’t misdirect, attack. (thats my interpretation, not his words)

            • Bo

              Totally off topic here, but this reminded me of an incident with my daughter. She wanted to do something and I told her no. She said, “Ambers mom lets her do it.” I replied by asking her if Ambers mom let her eat dog poop, would you want to eat it, too. She started crying and yelling at me that never ate dog poop. She was so upset at that thought, that she forgot about the original issue. I was a terrible mom!

            • Pia Pill

              I think that you offered her another point to consider! We got, “My house; my rules.” or “If xxx jumped off a bridge, would you jump off too?”

            • Pia Pill

              I am ashamed to say this but I am a registered Republican but I ALWAYS VOTE MY CONSCIENCE AND NEVER PARTY LINES; EVER ….. Trump, McConnell, and that whiney Paul Ryan (and quite a few others truth be told) repulse me and don’t EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE “TEA BAGGERS”. It is quite sad that in my lifetime, I have never really voted “FOR” a candidate but was left trying to decide which one was the “lesser of two evils” ….

            • With just those you cited, and for whom you rightfully expressed revulsion, I fail to understand why you continue to identify as Republican.
              There are no good ones anymore (except apparently Ana Novarro), so why?
              They stand for absolutely nothing.
              I’ll just leave it there.

            • Pia Pill

              I guess it is a long story and I really have never believed in “labels” anyway due to my upbringing (which is even a longer story) 😊 So when at 18 and I went to promptly register to vote, I was asked Republican or Democrat … for which I had NO IDEA what either party “stood for” (except that the “other” is no good 😊) so then I deferred to “pictionary”. Democrat had a picture of a mule while the Republican had a picture of an elephant …. not very good choices either and again, I was a very sheltered individual born and raised in California and our family did not debate politics at all (except maybe Mom teasing my Father that she would cancel out his vote) so I was in a quandary but since I know that I would never just vote for a “label” or the “party line” but read about the issue(s) and/or the actual character of the candidate, it didn’t really matter that much … and really as I saw it, only mattered in terms of selecting the candidate to move forward in the primaries; and this was only if the primaries were “closed primaries”. So all those years ago, I had to make a decision … back then (as I recall) there were only 2 options so I punted and as I got older, I saw no reason to change because for me being too radical on either side is unappealing (conservative or liberal) and since I have always been too logical, I understood each side had it’s merits and not one party had a corner on the market in terms of what is best for our country overall. I believe I am an American Citizen first and foremost that hopefully will be able to make decisions based on what is right or wrong, what is truth or lie, what is good or evil ensuring that everyone be treated fairly while protecting the vulnerable and holding those accountable that try and manipulate the system/processes for their own selfish greed or ego. I also understand that there are pros/cons for most all decision(s) and policies and the ripple effect can be far reaching with possibilities for “known unknowns” surfacing that were never even contemplated by either party and there are many times that the decisions are very difficult to make because undoubtedly there will be people and/or things undercut due to the issue of scarcity (money, time, people, systems. .. etc). Truth be told, I am not sure I “fit” in any party because I try to do the best I can and make the best decisions I can with logic, fairness, compassion, respect, tolerance, and what would be the right thing to do considering everything involved (the data, cause/effect, laws, etc).

              There are terrible and corrupt politicians in both parties that are mainly there for their own self-serving need and greed and it seems to me that they really are concerned only with their own “bottom line” in getting rich, having access, gaming the system on the backs of others, and securing a lifelong retirement annuity for a very limited amount of time invested unlike us others that have to put in years of labor BEFORE we are eligible to earn a retirement. So I must say that most politicians (in either party) I do not trust but “Head Cheeto In Charge” is so below the pale in professionalism, character, and integrity that I could not even believe that ANY PERSON would vote for him let alone that he would win a primary and then worse, the Presidency! I was stunned speechless and have been appalled and embarrassed ever since. But me changing my party affiliation would not have mattered because there would be no way in hell that I would ever vote for him, let alone his lackeys …

              Not sure this makes sense but thanks for allowing me to explain. 😊 V/R Pia

            • “But me changing my party affiliation would not have mattered because there would be no way in hell that I would ever vote for him, let alone his lackeys …”
              No it doesn’t make sense because you are identifying with loathsome creatures, even if just nominally.
              Now is the time to take a stand. If not now, when?
              All it takes for evil to triumph is for “good” people to do nothing.
              I’m tired of people saying there’s no difference between the two parties. That’s a false equivalency.
              Even if its the “lesser of two evils” that’s huge.
              But thanks for your thoughtful comments.

            • Pia Pill

              Well I did have the opportunity to vote for another candidate in the primary …. and I did; and another opportunity in the election … which I also did. Unfortunately there was a block of people that had other ideas (in other states) which is one of the dark sides to democracy. To do nothing, as you say, would have been to turn away and not vote … much like a whole host of people did when they decided to “not vote” for one reason or another. To me, not voting, is the equivalent of “good” people doing nothing.

            • true

    • salin

      and Navarro is a GOP pundit, granted of the self-proclaimed Never Trump ilk.

      • Worth noting that she’s a Republican.
        Apparently the only one with gonads.

        • Draco

          Brass ovaries, Baby!

          • Clanging.
            But geez, c’mon, the fucking emperor has no clothes.Stop pretending.

            • Draco

              * Shudder *
              No clothes and Trump…

            • And I won’t post a pic of the sculpture.

            • Draco

              Thank you.

            • susan black

              Thank you. The whole world ( maybe ) has seen pix of the sculpture. And NO ONE will forget it.

        • salin

          If you read the opinion Columns in the Washington Post – read Jennifer Rubin’s Lean Right column. She is another one that can pack a Trump punch.

        • Liberated

          Yes, a Cuban American republican.

          • Wow.
            When will the rest of them wake up?

            • Liberated

              Never

            • Pia Pill

              hopefully some are coming around.

    • Betty

      Yes she called him a man baby which he is.

      • And a few more well-turned phrases, which I must save and savor.
        But geez, this is not even a close question.
        And the irony has not been lost.
        Melania’s project is fighting online bullying.
        Yeah, about that….

        • Pia Pill

          Don’t get me started ….. then she has the NERVE to try and defend him!!!!! No wonder they were made for each other …..

    • susan black

      Once Ana got started, I just couldn’t stop laffing till the end. It’s all true,of course, but especially delicious coming from a Reupublican latina. What a nasty woman!

      • Yeah, it was all meat. No potatoes.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love it, thanks for the link!

      Some folks get flustered when they’re angry and lose their words; others, like Ana Navarro, just get more articulate!

      Calling lying liars who lie for exactly what they are – especially if they wield real power – is not just a constitutional right, it’s a duty!

      However, the thing is, it’s very possible that all the high-volume theatrics and serial escapades of idiocy and bullying just serve to distract us from some of the less sensational, but more significant news events that are getting much less coverage – almost as an inverse function of Twump’s outrageous behavior getting dialed up.

      For example, the round up of undocumented aliens who are NOT criminals, along with the re-institution of private prison contracts with the federal government to house them, has not received the media attention that it should. Similarly, Twump’s decision to back out of the Paris climate accord got just about two days of prominence in the news, before more of the Big Orange Menace’s spoiled child tantrums and thin-skinned, sore-bottomed caterwauling shoved it aside. Currently, the short-fingered vulgarian’s idiotic antics are detracting from coverage of the monumentally disastrous Senate health bill, which Senate leader McConnell is attempting to shove down folks throats in the dark of night.

      Ana said she can’t get past the fact that we have a president that acts like that in order to talk about health care and tax reform. I’d say that she, along with the rest of us, better learn how to get past it quick or we’re never going to be getting to those important issues, because he’s very unlikely to change what he’s been doing…and because distracting the electorate absolutely DOES serve certain special interests groups, like the very rich, who’d be quite happy if we never got around to discussing those issues.

      • Pia Pill

        Well said! Agree completely …

    • Kestrel

      I love that woman. Thank you, Shorpy.

    • GfldedKim

      👏👏👏👏👏. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!!

    • Pia Pill

      Bless Ana Navarro! Finally; someone with intelligence and courage to say, “Enough already!” Hope more people follow suit but I won’t hold my breath ….

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Awesome article by Steve Cannane!

    I enjoyed Chris’s video about Howdycon.

    Great video by Jeffrey and Aaron!

    And for Tony my favourite James Bond theme:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbabWHjCSOM

    • bixntram

      One of the better movie themes; very jazz worthy; thanks.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    When you leave the Bunker window open and come back in a few hours 😂……..

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f94b2870caffcc883bb8d016a3ea03c26a154e079163f6f5496f585432b8739.png

    • Jimmy3

      Delete them all from all your tracks. We are still editing them.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Damn, I have work to do here too? Can’t escape it. 😀

    • Puget Buckeye

      And you think “what did I miss? What the hell is going on? I gotta catch up!”

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Not so much with comments in the 200’s. I’ve forgotten to close the window and come back to 500+ new comments a couple times. Then I definitely wonder what’s going on. LOL

    • Rasha

      I blame mygirltuesday….. -_^

      • Kestrel

        Same here. It’s all mygirltuesday’s fault.

        • Glen

          And I am just the fellow to pile on.

    • rayne troika sheep troll

      scrolling down thru comments…
      came to that blue box….
      i totally clicked on it…

  • nottrue
    • Observer

      Yeah, it’s a game: don’t let anyone catch you telling the truth!

    • Rasha

      …may want to switch to a game you’re fit to play, kid.

  • org-rat 1003

    If churches don’t sell a product for money to continue their survival because their existence serves a different purpose than that, and Scientology does sell a product for money as its main activity, surely that by itself should exclude them from having tax exempt status. Allowing scientology to call paying money for a commodity a ‘donation’ is already an act of fraud. People don’t go to church and pay to hear a sermon, and it’s up to them if they do give anything, so surely this distinction between selling a product for a profit and NOT selling a product is enough per se to stop any actual churches worrying that Scientology, just because it uses the words church and donation instead of business and profit, losing its tax exempt status would also affect them : it’s a technicality, not a prejudice.

  • Science Doc

    Greta van Sustern got fired.

    • Liberated

      Whoa !!

    • Supper Powers

      What’s the reason they are giving and what’s the real reason? Do you know?

      • Science Doc

        Don’t know. Lasted 6 months.

      • Kestrel

        “The same source said that Van Susteren was informed that she had not been confrontational enough in her on-air presentation, perhaps a suggestion that MSNBC is once again embracing its liberal roots and adopting a more adversarial posture toward President Donald Trump.”

        Yeah, that would do it.

        • Noesis

          It is likely that Greta’s brand of opinion – journalism went over with the core MSNBC audience about the same way Marty’s spew (with regard to Scientology) went over here.

          It’s one thing to try to span differences of viewpoint to grow an audience – and quite another to try to sell sponsors on a nightly dumpster fire. The latter gets gets old pretty fast.

        • Supper Powers

          Is that you in Shelton’s video?

          • Kestrel

            The overly verbose speaker in the sport coat? Sadly, yes.

    • PattyCakenfeld

      Sorry, Greta. You pulled it in.

    • Liberated

      She’s gonna have to buy a couple intensives of auditing to handle this.

      • edge

        Six months? I’m sure she’s had visits to Flag that lasted longer than that…
        And when she’s no longer paying the freight, er, I mean “donations” she’ll be brought in just like the rest. “Why aren’t you flowing power to Source?” “What were your crimes at Fox and MSNBC?”

    • susan black

      It couldn’t happen to a nicer person.

      • Rasha

        …actually…….

        -_^

    • Jimmy3

      How can you tell? She has the same facial expression she always has.

      • Science Doc

        Taxidermy.

        • Observer

          *spit take*

        • Oh wow.
          “Its not Botox. Its taxidermy!”

        • rayne troika sheep troll

          gigglesnort for reals

    • Rasha

      Shirley, she’s just moved to Target Job 2…..

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
    • Vaquera

      I doubt Scientology can help her with that.

    • Kestrel

      That didn’t last long at all. My marriages lasted longer.

      • Draco

        Well…one of mine did…

    • edge

      Apparently the Bridge To Total Freedom is the one bridge she hasn’t burned yet.

    • Jeb Burton

      Besides the fact that only half her face moved, she was terrible at her job.She had the attitude of all Scientologists that she was the smartest person in the room. But at her defense, as I was told yesterday, that Scientologists are more intelligent than regular people. More intelligent people are more likely to join a cult. No bullshit, somebody here said that.

    • The no-nonsense commentator shared the news on Twitter by simply writing: ‘I am out at MSNBC.’

      The no-nonsense commentator, who believes in a space-age religion created by a messiah who started out as a sci-fi author, shared…. – FIFY

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • nottrue
  • Observer
    • Rasha

      …you guys had an Etch-a-Sketch?????

      • Observer

        Haha, no, that was someone’s tablet (as if you didn’t know!)

        • Rasha

          -_^

    • Snippy_X

      Fabulous!

    • susan black

      Who is the guy in the pic with Claire and Marc on the balcony, second from the right? It’s my brother, I’m sure, but it CAN’T be.

      • Kestrel

        His name is Jeff.

        • susan black

          Thanks. Hi Jeff…you’re a double for my brother. At least in that pic.

      • Observer

        A lurker by the name of Jeff.

    • I love you and I miss you!

      • Observer

        😘😘

    • Baby

      Amazing pictures Obs.. You really have a creative artistic eye for taking wonderful pictures..

  • J. Swift

    Marty and other Scientologists outside the Church share a common complaint that Scientology gets no respect in the media or online. The gripe seems to be that Scientology doesn’t get treated fairly and is instead dismissed out of hand without any regards for its claimed merits.

    So what? The general anti-religious perspective of the secular-technological West sees all religions as antiquated, intellectually invalid, and riven with secret deviance and scandals that periodically explode into the fullblown light of day. Marty himself showed the world the internal culture of violence and deviance that exists inside the Church of Scientology.

    For Marty to now decry an imaginary ASC rings hollow. Marty bears enormous responsibility in exposing Scientology. For him to reverse course now and become indignant and self-righteous about how poorly Scientology is seen only serves as a self-indictment of his own past actions. For this reason alone, Rathbun’s petulant tirades may be dismissed out of hand. As Aaron Smith-Levin commented in our podcast, Marty has offered no caveat or explanation for his reversal. Absent such an explanation, Marty is not credible.

    The world is not fair. The world has no obligation to listen to or even care what Christians, Jews, Hindus, Scientologists, or any other religionists have to say. Christians realized this long ago. That is why, beginning hundreds of years ago, Christians built great universities, parochial schools, hospitals, orphanages, soup kitchens, and other charitable and humanitarian institutions to prove their spirituality with their works. American Evangelicals in the 1970’s began to mobilize their voter base and purchased countless radio and
    television stations to preach their message. American Evangelicals sent their children to universities. American Evangelicals used the generations to develop a class of educated Evangelical lawyers, lawmakers, organizers and other professionals. Evangelicals work as a voting bloc and have gained enormous political clout. Like it or not, Evangelicals have a massive voice that speaks at the ballot box. The Evangelical voice helped put Trump into power in key swing states. Evangelicals also helped put Reagan and the Presidents Bush into power. Evangelicals amassed power so that their voice would be heard.

    Scientology never invested the money or effort to amass real world power as did the Evangelicals. Scientology has never presented an reasoned apologetical or scientific argument for the virtues and validity of Scientology. Rather, Hubbard opted for the tyranny of Fair Game and fake PR to serve as the voice of Scientology. Hubbard became enamored of the money and of taking as much money as he could from his followers. Marty Rathbun came along in 2008 and knocked Hubbard and his mini-me David Miscavige off their throne. Now Marty is self-destructively shredding his own voice and credibility. He has, as Rick Alan Ross noted, become irrelevant.

    • mockingbird

      I think Scientology is not on par with major religious groups in several ways unrelated to size and the esoteric knowledge hidden in the upper levels.

      We know and can verify that Hubbard intended to create a fraud and to use his belief in his own genius as a propagandist and hypnotist to fool, defraud and covertly enslave his followers. His affirmations and hundreds of quotes from his books and lectures that I put forward at Mockingbird’s Nest show it.

      Many cult experts including Margaret Singer, Robert Jay Lifton, Daniel Shaw, Jon Atack, Steve Hassan, and Rick Alan Ross have described Scientology in extreme details as being to quote Ross “A machine designed to abuse”, it is not a large religion like Christianity, Judaism, Islam or Buddhism with millions of peaceful and moderate members and a tiny sliver that are intolerant and violent extremists.

      Scientology as presented by Hubbard demands extremists, even if they are not all violent. It is not a good group with some isolated and rare abuses . It is an abusive and criminal group.

    • salin

      My suspicion is that one of the reasons Marty is doing all these videos is to be deemed irrelevant or discreditable – at least in terms of any future potential court testimony.

    • bixntram

      Brilliant post; thanks

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Right on point and so very well said!

      “Marty has offered no caveat or explanation for his reversal. Absent such an explanation, Marty is not credible.”

      Indeed, he’s refused to answer repeated, direct questions concerning how Dani Lemberger’s private correspondence to him ended up in the hands of the cult’s lawyer in Israel. Further, he’s even refused to respond to direct questions from his most loyal petting zoo supporters on his blog and has not, to my knowledge, engaged in discussion with anyone there either.

      Instead of defending his newly acquired attack chihuahua stance, or even holding forth with his long-awaited “other side of the $cn story,” the mitey $cn Warrior has gone mute and dropped from sight, except for this vile, but super boring video series.

      Pending further developments which might point in another direction, I’d say that Mutty shows every sign of being cult-owned and remotely operated. The only real question for me at this juncture is whether he was paid to self-immolate or coerced into carrying the cult’s poison water – no other possibility seems plausible to me.

      Since Mutty or his puppet master has chosen to drag this ordeal out for as long as possible by posting brief mini-segments, instead one or two longer works, it sure seems like the goal here is to try to hold our attention for as long as possible. For that reason, I suggest we do the exact opposite, which would be ignore Mutty the Muppet’s mad mumbling, and returned to our regularly scheduled program of cult dismantling 😉

      • J. Swift

        I agree.

        I also wanted to add this: IMO, Marty Rathbun has done incredibly far more damage to the reputation of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard than did Program Snow White. This is because Rathbun spoke from his position as an ultimate insider. The Church probably lost tens of thousands of members from 2008 forward due to Marty and the extremely large high-visibility, anti-Church, anti-Miscavige movement and message he led and propagated. Early on, Rathbun frequently said the Church of Scientology was dead.

        Yet now Marty wants to disingenuously lay the destruction he himself wrought at the feet of a self-serving fiction he created called the ASC. I’m not buying and neither is anyone else except for the few addlepated followers who falsely equate criticism with their vapid conspiracy theories. Marty has to own up to the destruction he personally caused to Scientology and LRH.

      • Kestrel

        In my view, ignoring Marty’s mad mumbling would be wonderful.

    • org-rat 1003

      Every time I’m about to make a Criticism of Rathbun’s latest comments I suddenly feel reluctant because it seems too easy : as if he did have to fulfil his end of some bargain but also wanted to let us know that he didn’t really believe the things that he was saying.

      • Kestrel

        He’s not doing a convincing job of stating his case. He’s like a warrior without weapons.

    • Mockingbird

      I think your analysis of the Scientology watching community as decentralized and without a hierarchy and leaders is correct. I personally have to date NEVER made a thin dime from my criticism of Scientology. And I have interacted with likely hundreds of other individuals who also have spoken out about the abuses and crimes of Scientology who also have made no money from this activity.

      We can go to blogs or on Facebook and criticize Scientology at will. Or withdraw at will. Or take a break or disagree with each other and not be fair gamed or have our families destroyed.

      I cannot emphasize enough that we are free from domination and control which you find in high control groups aka destructive cults.

      I seriously want the reality of the real harm the abuses, crimes and fraud from Scientology have caused people to be acknowledged as real. It’s inhuman to me to deny trauma. It harms people in itself.

      It inflicts more trauma. This is why blaming rape and incest victims or denying the crimes is so painful. It denies the humanity of the victims. That’s indefensible.

      Whatever misadventures Marty Rathbun has undertaken I vehemently oppose to the degree he helps Scientology commit and hide crimes including his own crimes and his dehumanizing denial of the harm Scientology inflicts.

      I certainly appreciate the actions you and Karen have done to help people understand and escape Scientology. It’s very important and in my opinion effective as an aid to both education and recovery.

  • Travel ban to take effect as State Department defines ‘close family’
    “The rules sent to diplomatic posts worldwide Wednesday prompted immediate criticism for the narrow and somewhat quirky definition of close family. A son-in-law or a step-daughter can get in, but a grandmother or uncle cannot.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/travel-ban-to-take-effect-as-state-department-defines-close-family/2017/06/29/03eb8a8e-eba6-4749-9fa2-79117be89884_story.html?utm_term=.eff719be07e9

    “Quirky” in the law, by the way, is “arbitrary and capricious”.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      WTF? I consider my grandmother to be a bona fide personal connection as well as a member of my family. Were these rules set up by scientologists? They are the only group I know that believes that family doesn’t matter.

  • Panopea Abrupta
    • Rasha

      Omagarsh. *stern look hiding barely suppressed snurk*

  • o/t: ready for Maiden Voyage … i wonder if i’ll see any Failcoughs … ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c4512af60bad0651a86585e37b59ec1c2489ad1c0e57d345ff6d10ab90aaa1df.jpg

    (yes, this was last year – i’m not posting the current one for [hopefully] obvious reasons)

  • SarahDB

    Marty’s about face reminds me of Nibs (LRH Jr.) who also did a complete about face. I think his grandson Jamie said his kids were threatened and he needed the money to care for a disabled son. who knows what pressure was on Marty. Not making excuses for him but trying to work out motivation.

    Tony wrote a bit about Nibs turning spy in relation to Miss Lovely.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s quite a bit different, because the Rathbuns were *bringing* pressure with the lawsuit they were winning. And with his blog, the media access to tell his story wherever anyone was interested, and with the Internet in general, Marty had far more exposure than Nibs could have ever hoped for.

      • PeaceMaker

        They might have been winning, but they were facing the prospect of a long struggle before they might actually see any money – and even the possibility of reversals.

        When was the last court case filed against the CofS that ended with anyone getting a judgment (not a settlement) and collecting a significant amount of money? I think it was probably the Wollersheim case, started in 1980, won in 1986, but not finally settled with payment made until 2002 – 22 years later.

        I suspect other things may have been at work, but the way that Scientology drags cases out provides a pretty grim prospect for anyone suing them.

        • Jimmy3

          When was the last time they (the CoS) settled for a small fortune and an NDA?

          • Jimmy3

            Focusing on judgments is not the way to look at it. Did Debbie Cook get a judgment? Or did she get a bunch of money? How about those 30 some families suing Narconon… Did they *win* in court? Or did they get paid off comfortably?

            There was a lot of talk during the Rathbun trial about how David Miscavige would never settle with Marty, because it was so personal. He would never let him win, they said. Well now, it seems they’ve come to some sort of agreement. Maybe it doesn’t favor Marty, and maybe they got hosed, we don’t know. But the fact that he was willing to compromise on some level and accept even a slight loss in this case disproves the theory that Miscavige was not willing to bend at all when it came to Marty. If they kept soldiering on in the trial for another year or two, who’s to say it would be any different for a legitimate legal settlement?

            • I think that we’ll see Marty and Monique being sued by Ray Jeffrey in the near future.

            • Jimmy3

              I hope so, if only so Marty doesn’t get away with this shit. But it’d still be a shame, because I don’t believe Ray Jeffrey would ever want it that way.

            • I don’t think Ray Jeffrey wanted to be conned out of a million+ dollars worth of revenue either.

  • Draco

    Night everyone. Night mygirltuesday!

    • Puget Buckeye

      Nighty night.

    • gtsix

      Night Dragon.

    • rayne troika sheep troll

      nite dragon 🙂

    • salin

      G’night, Draco!

  • BosonStark

    Is Marty gonna get a title for this? Marty Rue Rathbun, Professor of Entheta. After giving up his job selling wieners at baseball games, he’s Scientology’s new go-to man for the scoop on critics.

    Next he’ll be writing feature articles for Freedom Magazine, Mongolian edition. I see a lot of travel in Marty’s future as he orbits the planet disseminating the truth about the apostates and critics of Scientology. And next thing you know he’ll be wearing another shirt.

    • Liberated

      Sir Marty Ratfink

    • Harpoona Frittata

      He’s the first and only anti-anti-$cn expert consultant. Trouble is, there’s only one client who’ll pay for those kind of services and Mutty has already sold his soul to them…twice!

      • Puget Buckeye

        I wonder if he has to put a reminder note on the bathroom mirror. So that when he gets up in the morning, he remembers which side he’s on now. If I were him, I’d be really confused.

  • Jgg2012

    btw, why doesn’t Marty post here? If he thinks the sheeple are all wrong, why doesn’t he set the record straight?

    • edge

      He lacks confront and shatter suppression tech. The same reason why comments are disabled on his click-farm supported Youtube videos.

      • Opticheart

        Definitely he doesn’t like anyone challenging him.

    • Observer

      He’s askeered of Tony

      • Jgg2012

        OK. next question: is the Troika the same as the Trinity? Are Tony, Mike and Leah the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

        • Observer

          No, more like the Three Musketeers.

          • Puget Buckeye

            I like Snickers better. haha

            • Observer

              Our Troika has never claimed to be anything more than human, unlike three pompous, deluded asses Big Beings we know of.

          • Jgg2012

            or perhaps the Magi.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Easy. The people here are too smart for him.

    • Because here is not where Marty is in-charge. I think he misses being a feared executive. It must have been a huge blow to his ego to realize that he couldn’t command respect from much more than the wacky fringes of the human population. It probably bothers him that his life in Scientology is viewed as sort of an interesting story by most people. Rather than a philosophical dissertation as he’d like it to be viewed.

    • PattyCakenfeld

      As if any Scientologist would answer a direct question or explain themselves. Misdirect, evade, twist, lie, attack, and smear.

      • Jgg2012

        “The way to control a person is to lie to them.”

  • SarahDB

    Just now I clicked on a Youtube video of Leah on The Hollywood Reporter and the ad at the beginning is a clip of Marty talking trash about Leah and Mike! OSA attempting to dead agent Leah and Mike??

    • Observer

      Yeah, Marty’s sniveling has been showing up as ads for several days now.

  • nottrue
    • Observer

      Peppy is on a roll!

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    O/T In case you hadn’t heard… Greta;s gone from MSNBC today and didn’t get to say goodbye.

    • I followed the OJ Simpson murder case closely as I spent eight years active duty as a court reporter in the military. Greta was more of an idiot than Marsha Clark the prosecutor was. I was laughing at the closing arguments made by Clark and they were so bad despite the fact I knew Simpson was guility in fact I might have had to find him not guilty. Greta was a case of mediocrity being rewarded with celebrity as she had the legal prowess of a gnat. Good riddance as she was one of the most low IQ people I have ever seen argue for legal issues. A total idiot even is she was not a scilon.

    • Observer

      She’ll just postulate herself another job….oh, wait

  • Opticheart

    Seriously, are all the people posting on Marty’s blog still in’s? Their postings are literally insane and crazymaking. They misrepresent or lie about everything that Aftermath has said. Marty tells out and out lies and his fans eat it up. It’s like they all have a collective mindset. It’s astonishing the vitriol. Now this one asshole called COB I think has provided all kinds of links to PROVE that Tony was involved in child trafficking and whatever else. I asked well if that was true why isn’t he in jail? Of course my comment is still awaiting moderation. And he’s blocked me on his Twitter. Writing for a newspaper that has a personals webpage that has dicey personal ads is way different than being a pimp or someone who sells other people. We have a free magazine here in Toronto called NOW. They are liberal leaning but many of their journalists are great and award-winning. Also in the back of the magazines are all kinds of ads for escort services, in/out, transexuals, and whatever else. But I wouldn’t accuse the writers of benefiting from prostitution. I mean who are these people and what are they even talking about? Do they even understand the gravity of what they are saying? Can you sue them? Do you want to sue them? I would but I guess it would cost millions of dollars and get you nothing. Not even a retraction. It makes me so angry for you.

    • Supper Powers

      There are only a handful of them. It’s not impactful or influential in any way.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      You are assuming that anyone reads Rathbun’s blog and comments. Why would anyone but David Miscavige care what Rathbun writes or doesn’t write?

      • Opticheart

        Yes I guess you do have a point I suppose. People may be just going to the YouTube videos but still what he has said is still libel no matter how many people read it.

      • Eclipse-girl

        But..but… they have tens of thousands of upvotes :looking for a cynical emoji: :can’t find one:

      • Opticheart

        I think a lot of people here do watch the new videos and the comments. I watch the videos, I try not to read the comments. Mostly because he won’t let me comment back. He’s such a coward that I’m moderated totally out.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      His blog is very heavily moderated to exclude almost everyone who is not part of his loyal petting zoo. The result is the “cream of the crazy crop,” that’s for sure.

      Go ahead and try to ask him a civil question about any of his most recent statements and see what happens to it…Mutty’s blog is moving on down a little lower every day!

      • Opticheart

        I have tried to ask him a civil question. No response to anything and my comments do not get posted because I don’t suck up.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Yep, that’s been my experience as well.

      • PeaceMaker

        You know, I try to avoid the name calling and derisive terms – though I’ll admit to occasionally falling prey to some other weaknesses, like cynical sarcasm.

        But I was thinking recently, “petting zoo” really is an apt term for what is going on over at the blog now – I’m not even sure “moderation” is an apt term to use any more, since it implies restraint, rather than an extreme like authoritarian control.

    • PeaceMaker

      Yes, it’s pretty crazy.

      Last I looked, it seemed like “all the people posting” were marildi and valkov, regulars who claim to be independents but who at least sometimes act like they could actually be OSA trolls (marildi has even been accused of that, on indie blogs), the unstable Miss Tia, a couple of people who had fairly bland comments that were let through – and several other accounts I don’t recognize, that may be sock puppets or new followers. The rant assailing Tony was repeated exactly under both of the most recent videos, nonethless.

      The one other thing that came through, under an alias but I think by Lori Hodgson (it was posted somewhere else under her name), was addressed to Miscavige and complaining about abusive disconnection. Martyologists need to come up with an explanation for that one appearing on a board supposedly run now by OSA and presumably typically micro-managed by COB himself (hey, someone is being allowed to post there as COB, so maybe it could really be DM himself if he has his own blog now, right?).

      I’m just doing the looking, so y’all don’t have to.

    • Private Investigations Dept

      “COB” appears to be crazy lady Catherine Zoltan aka the Oracle.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I once had an argument on Mike Rinder’s blog and He asked the two of us to stop.

      There are many people who left corporate sickentology but still love HUbbard, and have the belief that every wrong right now is due to The Dim Midget.

      I am a Never In. I read the Russell Miller’s Bio (Bare Faced Messiah). I have an extrememely different opinion of Ronnie.

      ETA: The indies never completely left the mind set.

      • Ang Madog

        I’m not sure it’s just the Indies.

        I cringe when I hear an ex say they got something out of the lower levels of Scientology. What I have to realize is, Thank God they got something good out of it. It doesn’t matter if I think they could have gotten those same things out of just living a normal day to day life with a normal family. What matters is that they got some useful living skills.

        I do still have huge problems with someone saying the e-meter works – or reads something significant. It doesn’t. But I’ve realized, that for some, that’s a hard thing to let go of.

        As a never-in, I believe L Ron was a malignant narcissist who started a religion/pyramid scheme for money, at the very least, he was a man with mental problems who started a religion/pyramid scheme for money. Miscavige may be a worse person than Hubbard, but he’s just carrying on Hubbard’s flawed ideas

        • Eclipse-girl

          Totally agree when you say ‘someone got something our of the lower levels.’

          Within the lower levels there is a great deal of psychology. Then there is the slow drummimg in of what Scikentology expects for a good member. A person is slowly subjected to mind control. They change the way they think.

          I do not disagree with you opinion of Ronnie – boy. Remember that Davey learned at the knee of this person.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I read a comment on facebook by someone who attempted to post to Marty’s page only to have his posting altered to be pro scientology and pro marty which apparently is a feature of word press. Sad. I think that it’s OSA editing the comments.

      • The ability to edit all comments is built into WordPress – but, into many other platforms, too. If you are hosting comments on your own server, you can likely do this by going into the database, even if an editing facility isn’t built in.

        In defence of WordPress and the like – any software vendor depends on the good faith of the person that uses it, and even if text is not edited, it can be quoted out of context.

        We already knew that Marty misrepresents facts to suit himself. The fact that he’s also happy to have comments re-written should come as no surprise, and only underlines that it’s a good idea to stay away from his comments section.

        Let his groupies praise each other and look ridiculous.Nobody’s listening, anyway.

  • saksin

    Re. Jeffrey Augusine’s interview with Aaron Smith-Levine: I have had a sense that Marty Rathbun’s entire trajectory – in or out of Scn – is best explained by his being in a man-to-man power struggle with David Miscavige for control of Scn. At some point he decided that he could not win that struggle inside the confines of corporate Scn. So he exited to continue the struggle from the outside, intent on building a following by auditing and defending the “good name” of you know who, while dealing blows to his rival… Eventually decompression led him to question even some of the foundations of his faith, and he started to sound like a real critic. At the same time it may have become apparent to him – he was living in the real world – that in this world and on its terms, his prospects for the kind of power to which he aspired in battling David Miscavige were dim. He may have concluded that his “outside gamble” was a mistake, and that a return to a modicum of power in the fold was preferable to an ordinary life, with a major “amends project” as a result. Alternatively, his rival had enough “on him” to force him back into the fold, or a combination of the two.

    • abdaman

      totes agree! People don’t realize how difficult it is existing in the real world without even a HS degree. Certainly the amount of respect you will command is going to be minimal. That is more important than even money to a lot of people.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I slightly disagree.

        There are people who successfully escaped, and have made a life for themselves. They may not be wealthy, but they are a whole lot happier than within the chult.

        I do not completely buy into your response. I think (speculate) Marty’s ego was involved.

        ETA: Perhaps it has to deal with the skills one learned and used in Co$. Marty’s skills were intimidation and bullying.

    • Eclipse-girl

      There were people who were helping Marty.

      As I state below, I think his ego was involved and he no longer mattered to the exposure of Sickenotlogy’s crimes.

  • abdaman

    Speaking of getting a job after leaving the COS, (Marty claims that Mike Rinder has never held down a job since leaving) well what exactly has Marty done for employment since ESCAPING the COS? Beyond making a dating profile which won him a lucky meal ticket in his spouse, I haven’t seen much from him. And no I don’t view auditing people for free to be a job.

    • Supper Powers

      He was a reporter for community paper, worked at a baseball stadium and bought and sold used furniture.

      • abdaman

        Wow and he really thinks he is in a position to criticize other people’s careers?? 1. probably no pay 2. minimum wage 3. not even a guarantee of minimum wage and…fleas

        • Supper Powers

          I think it’s terrible what he said about Mike, but Marty did what he had to do to bring in money.
          ETA there’s nothing shameful in honest work.

      • edge

        Oh, don’t forget, he was a successful author!

      • mockingbird

        When he bought the used furniture he called it “material”,I think he couldn’t bear to say he was a lowly furniture monger.

    • Eclipse-girl

      If you listened to Jeff’s interview with Aaron. Mike has been employed by Aaron for two years.

      I doubt anyone would ’employ’ someone just to bitch about sickentology. Life is Real.
      I remember reading once that Robert Almbad had a machine that produced ice very quickly, and with less bacterial growth, perfect for motel, hotels and hospitals. Sickentology went after them. So when you read an article about bad ice from an ice machine. Give thanks to sickentology.

    • John McGhee

      He wasn’t doing it for free; he received “donations” for doing so

      • And useful personal information in the form of notes – which is now likely being poured over by the same people who brought us his videos.

        His betrayal of the Israeli guy is likely just the tip of the iceberg. He has likely also had a chilling effect on a whole group of people who were, at least, once Independents.

    • jane456

      He complained on film about being unemployable, in the LT Doc. Then he pulls this shit on a friend.

  • downtherabbithole

    OT: Over at Mikes in the Thursday funnies, there is a flyer for Narconon at Trout Run. Did I miss some news or can they actually use this picture in their adverts?

    • Observer

      They own it. They just can’t turn it into a Narconon yet (hopefully ever).

      • Eclipse-girl

        🤞🏻

      • downtherabbithole

        Oh guess I forgot about the detail of them owning it. Memory can be such a fleeting thing.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Sickentology can help you with that

          • dungeon master

            Ha!

    • ze moo

      They own the property and ‘borrowing’ others pics and locations has always been De Rigueur for the Clams.

      A new law firm has taken over the case for NarCONon. They and the previous lawyers have received 8 extensions for the filings of any pleadings.

      • Eclipse-girl

        TY for your help is keeping us apprised of the Trout Run Info.

  • ze moo

    Greta Van Sustern is out at MSNBC. She only lasted 6 months.

    • Rasha

      …who?

      • Sciloony McSciloonface.

        • Rasha

          Gotcha! ;

  • Baby

    I am scooting in to say hello.. Great post Tony.. Loved the HC video Chris.. OK computer handed over to my nephew.. sigh.. love you baby .. ( I still love this meme ) ha

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/318954530a1fa16697cd239e7e23011bf4aa3802dc75f29b15655d48e86cb5b3.jpg

    • Rasha

      Just plant that seed. They will one *hic* day start … start… something… my glass needs fillerin’

    • Eclipse-girl

      NO one gets my tablet.

      I do not care how ‘nice’ I am. They need their own machine.

      ETA: Will you consider coming next year? Chicago is not a good place for seeing stars, though

      • Baby

        My twin sister’s son.. He has such a huge work project to complete and I promised his mom I would watch over him.. So anything I have is his…

        Absolutely am planning on Chicago… xo love baby

        • Eclipse-girl

          Me, too.

          Look forward to finally meeting the vaping you.

      • dungeon master

        Sure it is! There’s a planetarium next to the aquarium!

    • Kestrel

      Baby!

      • Baby

        You looked so handsome in the video Kes..

        • Observer

          You’re in the batch of HC pics I posted today…

          • Baby

            Oh new pictures..ya.. thanks Obs.. you are so thoughtful. xo

            • Observer

              Wait till you see it before you thank me 😉

            • Baby

              ha.. they were all good as usual.

        • Kestrel

          [blushes]

        • Supper Powers

          I am smitten now and regret not being in Denver!

          • Kestrel

            [blushes again]

          • Baby

            Oh Sup.. You save for Chicago honey.. I got lots of hugs.. smooches..xo

            • Supper Powers

              I am in Chicago once or twice a month. If Kestrel will be there, I’ll be sure to schedule my meetings around HowdyCon!

            • Kestrel

              I’m looking forward to meeting you, Supper Powers.

            • Supper Powers

              I was so excited I responded Woo Hoo! to myself!

              I am smarter in real life, Kestrel.

            • Kestrel

              Most of my Woo Hoos are internal.

            • Supper Powers

              Woo hoo!

            • Baby

              hahahhahahha …You are so cute.. ( and so is Kes..)

          • Eclipse-girl

            Where you in Cleveland?

            • Supper Powers

              No. I did go to the Chicago book event, but I was too shy to say hello to anyone but TO and Christian. I talked to Darth Vander but that was an accident. He approached me and I didn’t have a way to escape so we chatted.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Do you remember the Caek?
              Did you introduce yourself to me, or others?
              Did you come to the Pizza party afterwards?

            • Supper Powers

              It was beautomous. You brought it, right? I did not go for pizza.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You should have joined us.
              It was a good time.

              You should have introduced yourself.

            • Supper Powers

              I’m extremely nervous when I first meet people. My job require me to be very personable so I can do that if I have work topics to discuss. Personal interest conversations? I rarely have those. Chicago will be doable because I can mix in work meetings or go see a friend if I get uncomfortable.

            • Supper Powers

              Nope. I have just hung out with Fly when I’m in his city for work.

    • Snippy_X
      • Baby

        Oh Snip thanks..so great seeing you guys… I liked the top picture the best..
        ” Those fuckers are Wack.. I am OUT OF HERE! ” ha

    • salin

      XD! Loved seeing you in all the HowdyCon pics. You are, and always will be, the bees knees! Even though I don’t know what bees knees are like – I know it means fabulous!

    • Phoebequeen

      Bwwwwahhh!! This is hysterical.

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    This is how I hope DM will eventually end up: as short as possible, and with a teensy boat.
    (Apologies to the cute Daschund dog)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6772416d974754963e3683466bb6d0d940226929e8d26ebb902a435009e7b485.jpg

    • ombrifuge

      He’s in the Sea Dorg.

  • WinningForever

    Let’s see what PR disaster ASC managed to pull in this week! Oh, Marty shoots from the hip and takes down another of ASC’s pillar documents in its test-a-ilie against SCIENTOLOGY. You guys do realize you pulled in Marty’s reversal. Maybe, if you hadn’t been quite so CRIMINAL Marty would still be buddy buddies. I mean what do you expect, you visit untold crimes against a guy meanwhile Captain COB is Totally ARC with the guy and doing anything he can to help him. Gee, what do you think he’s going to to do. Once, again The TECH IS THE TECH OF LIFE and it is working as intended. Use the Tech as your shield against the insanity of the WORLD and you will live in a sane world where good people are rewarded and DB downstats punished!

    Mean while ASC has no visible means of support outside of laundering money between it’s members. And you dare call for an IRS investigation into SCIENTOLOGY. It’s ASC the IRS should be investigating!!!!!

    • Supper Powers

      *chuckles*

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I didn’t realize winning was still at it. I think if Winning over here made videos it would probably get more actual views than Marty’s.

    • salin

      OMG – he doxed us? Oh, that’s right. No documentation, no confirmation, just a lot of speculation that has been refuted (with some real dox – like court records/documents), and additional Alex Jones type speculation. Keep pining, though. It’s sort of cute. Like a parody of a parody. Peace out.

      • mygirltuesday

        So it’s not actually a joke?

      • dungeon master

        5 Bunker Points for ‘Like a parody of a parody’! Nice metaphor.

      • iampissed

        I haven’t opened it….but I know it’s going to be good.
        ETA: Yep!

        • haha, too much pressure. i don’t know if i can keep my batting average up all season … but i can hustle and will work the concession stand if i have to (until the IRS busts us for money laundering?) ;p

    • iampissed

      I for one would be proud that the IRS would investigate the ASC. They could prove they know thier ass from a cult.

    • jane456

      Nice Schtick….needs a little work. Don’t stop, though. It is amusing.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Winning?

      Look at this:
      The Missing Missions, So Far

      United States and Territories
      There are 14 , no, 15 or 16 or even 17 oops, actually make
      that 18, no 19, 20, 21 22OMG 23 24 states so far
      and 4 of 5 inhabited territories with NO $cientology Mission.

      Alabama
      Arkansas
      Connecticut
      Delaware
      Indiana
      Iowa
      Kentucky (though they do have the Cinncinnati Org, just over the bridge)
      Maryland
      Michigan
      Minnesota
      Mississippi
      Missouri
      Montana
      Nebraska
      North Dakota
      Oklahoma (though they do have Narconon.)
      Rhode Island
      South Carolina
      South Dakota
      Tennessee
      Vermont
      Virginia
      West Virginia
      Wyoming

      Oregon should perhaps be on this list too.
      The two Missions that are ostensibly still open are in fact
      inexistent, naught but a gleam in a Thetan’s I.
      As indeed should Illinois – the sole remaining Mission is dubious in the extreme.

      Our Mission network inquiry – results to date
      (We’re looking at Missions only, NOT Orgs or Ideal Orgs)

      Monkey created THIS list of links to all the detailed and documented posts this actual list is based on:
      http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftonyortega.org%2F2017%2F05%2F21%2Fscientology-may-be-crumbling-but-around-the-world-its-still-plotting-a-planetary-takeover%2F%23comment-3318555992%3AZzIwt3KZOegQtEqMkLQenYc-dAc&cuid=2055563

      Alabama
      Mission of Biloxi – closed

      Missions left to close – none

      Alaska
      Mission of Fairbanks – closed
      Mission of Anchorage – an industrial building, without signage

      Arizona
      Mission of North Phoenix – closed
      Mission of Tucson – open, barely

      Arakansas
      No Mission

      California
      Mission of Santa Monica – moved to a house in Fair Oaks
      (400 miles north, a trifle, a mere bagatelle, to a thetan)
      Mission of Temecula – closed

      Connecticut
      Mission of Hartford – closed
      Mission of New Britain – closed
      Mission of New London – closed
      Mission of Waterbury – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Colorado
      Dianetics and Scientology Group of Colorado Springs – closed, operational Dec. 30, 1997 to Oct. 1, 2000
      Mission of Alamosa – closed after 23 years of operation (1992 to 2016)
      Mission of Aurora – closed, operational 2003 to 2013
      Mission of Boulder AKA Mission of Boulder County – open
      Mission of Denver AKA Dianetic Counselling Group – closed, operational 1979 to 1996
      Mission of Enlewood – closed, operational 2004 to 2008
      Mission of Greeley – closed
      Mission of South Denver – closed, operational 1983 to 1999
      Mission of Steamboat Springs – closed

      Delaware
      No Mission

      District of Columbia
      No Missions

      Florida
      Mission of Palm Harbor – closed
      Mission of Fort Myers – closed
      Mission of Pompano Beach – closed
      Mission of Hollywood Beach – closed
      Mission of Old Tampa Bay – closed
      Mission of Hyde Park – closed
      Mission of North Gold Coast – closed
      Mission of Sarasota – closed
      Mission of Hillsborough County – closed
      Mission of Ft. Lauderdale – open, living on fumes
      Mission of West Palm Beach – open, living on fumes
      Mission of Ocala – open, struggling, despite whale backing (JT and KP)
      Mission of Clearwater – open, almost given up the thetan
      Mission of Belleair – open, struggling, despite whale backing (Feshbach)
      Life Improvement Center, St. Petersburg – open, close to non-existence
      Life Improvement Center, Plant City – open, close to non-existence
      Mission of Jacksonville – closed

      Hawaii
      Mission of Honolulu – open, barely

      Idaho
      Mission of Boise (earlier edition) – closed (active 1982 – 1985)
      Mission of Boise – a CPA’s office, virtually invisible, virtually dead

      Illinois
      Mission of Champaign-Urbana – ostensibly open, listed at a 2nd floor mall suite.
      Mission of Chicago – closed
      Mission of Chicago Center – closed
      Mission of Carbondale – closed
      Mission of Elgin AKA Mission of Lake County – closed
      Mission of Highland Park – closed
      Mission of Lakeview – closed
      Mission of Northwest Chicago – closed (9/27/2002 to 02/02/2004)
      Mission of Northwest Chicago bis – closed (06/09/2004 to 11/11/2011)
      Mission of Peoria – closed, in 2015, after 61 years of operation
      Mission of Rockford – closed
      Mission of Springfield – closed
      West Suburban Mission – closed (12/18/2014 to 05/13/2016)

      Indiana
      Mission of Anderson – closed
      Mission of Anderson, different version – closed
      Mission of Greater Indianopolis – closed
      Mission of Indianopolis – closed
      Mission of Indianopolis, different version – closed
      Mission of South Indianopolis – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Iowa
      No Mission

      Kansas
      Mission of Wichita – whale-financed magnificence, yet moribund (KA)

      Kentucky
      Mission of Kentucky – closed
      Mission of Louisville – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Louisiana
      Mission of Baton Rouge – open, active
      Mission of Lake Charles – closed
      Mission of Lafayette – closed
      Mission of New Orleans – open, active

      Maine
      Mission of Bangor – closed
      Mission of Brunswick – still open

      Maryland
      Mission of Baltimore – closed
      Mission of Bethesda – closed
      Life Improvement Center of Baltimore – closed
      Mission of Rockville – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Massachusetts
      Mission of Cambridge – closed
      Mission of Merrimac, Haverhill – closed
      Mission of Quincy – still open
      Mission of Watertown – has NEVER been in Watertown,
      actually located over 50 miles away, in a private home with no signage
      Mission of Woburn – closed
      Mission of Worcester – closed

      Michigan
      Mission of Flint – closed
      Mission of Genesee County, Grand Blanc – chiro’s office, Mission closed
      Mission of Huron Valley – closed
      Mission of Oakland County – closed

      Missions to close – none

      Minnesota
      Mission of Burnsville – closed
      Mission of Golden Valley – closed
      Mission of New Hope – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Mississippi
      Mission of Gulfport AKA Mission of Biloxi – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Missouri
      Mission of Independence – closed
      Mission of Kansas City – morphed into Org
      Mission of St. Charles – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Montana
      No Missions

      Nebraska
      Mission of Omaha – closed
      Mission of Fontenelle (Bellevue) – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Nevada
      Mission of Sierra Nevada (Reno) – open, barely, on life support
      Mission of Vegas Valley – closed
      Mission of Las Vegas – closed
      Creative Mission of Las Vegas – closed
      Mission of Sparks – closed

      New Hampshire
      Mission of Merrimac Valley AKA Mission of Greater Concord – moved to a private residence

      New Jersey
      Mission of Delaware Valley (Marlton) – closed
      Mission of New Jersey (Elizabeth) – open, barely, a dentist’s back-office
      Mission of Flemington – closed
      Mission of Mt. Holly – closed
      Mission of New Jersey (Teaneck) – closed

      New Mexico
      Mission of Albuquerque – open, surviving on a wing and a preyer

      New York
      Mission of Albany – open, barely
      Mission of Bay Shore – closed
      Mission of Elmira – closed
      Mission of Fifth Avenue – closed
      Mission of Long Island AKA Mission of Hicksville -> now an Org
      Mission of Middletown AKA Mission of Catskill Mountains, Liberty – chiro’s office, Mission closed
      Mission of New York – closed
      Mission of Queens – closed
      Mission of Rochester – closed
      Mission of Park West – closed
      Mission of Westchester, White Plains – chiro’s office, Mission closed

      North Carolina
      Dianetics Center of Winston-Salem – closed
      Mission of Central Charlotte – open, in theory, in a private residence with no signage
      Mission of Greensboro – closed
      Mission of Raleigh – closed

      North Dakota
      No Missions

      Ohio
      Mission of Central Cleveland, open, barely functioning, open since 2008
      Mission of Cleveland – closed, operational 1976 to 1988
      Mission of Columbus – morphed into an Org
      Scientology of Maumee Valley – closed, operational fron 1971 to 1978
      Mission of NorthEast Ohio – closed, operational 1988 to 1993
      Mission of Southwest Ohio AKA Mission of Dayton – closed, operational 1978 to 1993
      Mission of Toledo – closed, operational 1993 to 1999

      Oklahoma
      Mission of Tulsa – closed
      Mission of Edmond – closed
      Mission of Oklahoma City – closed

      Missions left to close – none

      Oregon
      Mission of Davis-Portland – closed
      Mission of Davis-Sheridan – closed
      Mission of Lake Oswego – closed, feigning life at a condominium
      Mission of Portland – open, if a UPS PO Box counts

      Pennsylvania
      Mission of Bucks County – ostensibly open, all vital signs missing
      Mission of Erie – ostensibly open, all vital signs missing, an appliance store resides there.
      Mission of Main Line – became the Org in Philadelphia
      Mission of Pittsburg – in Charleroi, 21 miles from Pittsburg, a PO Box, ostensibly still open
      Mission of Pittsburg AKA City Office of Pittsburg – open

      Something is very wrong with 3 of these.
      I surmise a tax scam (which would be perfectly in the image
      of Hubbard’s and Miscavige’s decades-long inurement.

      Rhode Island
      No Missions

      South Carolina
      Mission of Beaufort – closed
      Mission of Charleston – closed
      Mission of Columbia – closed

      No Missions left to close

      South Dakota
      Mission of Sioux Falls – closed
      https://vimeo.com/2815318

      No Missions to close

      Tennessee
      Mission of Memphis – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Texas
      Deep Ellum Life Improvement Center Hubbard Dianetics Foundation, Dallas –
      a long named but empty dump
      Mission of Harlingen, TX – still open
      Mission of Houston, TX – still open, living on fumes
      Mission of El Paso, TX – still open
      Mission of San Antonio, TX – still open, living on fumes

      Utah
      Mission of Salt Lake City – open, limping

      Vermont
      Missions to close – none

      Virginia
      Mission of Alexandria – closed
      Mission of Arlington – closed
      Mission of Fairfax – closed
      Mission of Richmond – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Washington
      Mission of Bellingham – closed
      Mission of Burien – closed
      Mission of Redmond AKA Mission of Eastside – a sad suburban building in need of maintenance
      Mission of Seattle – closed
      Mission of Spokane – closed

      West Virginia
      No Missions

      Wisconsin
      Mission of Milwaukee – open
      Mission of Racine – closed

      Wyoming
      No Missions

      Territories

      American Samoa

      No Missions

      Guam
      Mission of Guam, AKA Life Improvement Center – closed

      No Missions left to close

      Northern Mariana Islands

      No Missions

      Puerto Rico
      Mission of Puerto Rico – open, struggling

      US Virgin Islands

      No Mission

      • iampissed

        I don’t know how you do that. Please come to HowdyCon next year.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Just because – can I have your links for the state of Wisconsin?

      • Kestrel

        Not to beat a dead horse, but Houston, the fourth largest city (2.3 million) in the country, does not have an org – just a pathetic little storefront mission. San Antonio, the seventh largest city (1.5 million) in the country, does not have an org – just a pathetic little storefront mission.

      • Jimmy3

        Hey, where is Monkey? That dude owes me like 10,000 upvotes

    • iampissed

      Funny as I was reading this the line…..”You guys do realize you pulled in Marty’s reversal”
      I was thinking that scientology pulled it in……waiting is!

    • Eclipse-girl

      You came here to disrupt? Why?

      What did this blog pull in? There was always support for Mary and Mosey until they pulled their lawsuit.

      We do not pay into a chult. We disagree, usually civilly. The idea that this blog, Mike Rinder’s Blog or the A & E series “Scientology: The Aftermath” is some part of a coordinated campaign is laughable.

      You are correct, none of us look fondly on the Co$. That does not dismiss what Marty Rathbun has done to people who thought they were his freinds and trusted him with emails.

      Why did Marty Rathbun give Co$ the Dani Lemberger email?

      • mOstSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

        I think it’s close to the bone satire, maybe too close to a real Tech user, for some.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Because it the internet, I read every thing at face value. It makes it easier.
          There are times the satire shines through.
          It was not evident in this post.

          • mOstSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

            Read the past posts for clues like they are 10X 47X and N64 for stats LOL. Quite funny
            Add Also correct spelling

            • Eclipse-girl

              Dont have the time for that type of investigation.

            • salin

              I think the line the line between parody and sincerity is obscured. Good parody drops a clue – somewhere, even if very subtle, – that is parody. None of the posts that I have read have done this, and none have engaged in a way that in the exchange the sen of parody/joking comes through. I could be wrong, but don’t think this is joking. I think these posts are a sense of “blowing a strike against the (Marty fabricated) ASC.”

            • mOstSpecialAgent Joe McClaine

              So it would better be described as trolling, but I don’t think this person believes what they are writing. Maybe I’m wrong but it doesn’t sound like they are serious, just perverse.

            • salin

              I detect trolling. Either a true believer, or one following Marty Rathburn’s direction per there existing an ASC (cult). Parody usually has a hat tip (so over the top) to the fact that it is parody. )

          • Jimmy3

            “Because it the internet, I read every thing at face value. It makes it easier.”
            E-girl is the funniest in this thread

            • Eclipse-girl

              You need me as your straight (wo)man.

              (((HUGS)))

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Truly excellent satire can only be detected as such when you know the background of the poster…then it’s easy!

            But when new folks show up here any time close to the full moon, or an L. A. alley sighting of lil davey, or events like the Mutty show, then folks get suspicious almost reflexively, which is a great first response given how toxic any kind of contact with chult is.

            Personally, I enjoy a good troll. The cult has basically abandoned the field and it’s like they’re all the way down their tone scale in Hiding. Let’s hope that when the SuMP finally takes the new XenuVision channel live that we’ll be able to coax a few out in the open for, umm, a little fun!

    • TexasBroad

      There is no ASC.

    • Observer

      I think Captain COB is totally SITB* with Marty.

      *stabby in the back

      • beauty for ashes

        sitting in the booth? LOL!!!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Tell us your crimes and I’ll tell you mine.

      Instead of calling your group or mine the “C” word, I suggest we evaluate our respective affiliation, based on the degree of control and demand that each of them exert on their members…sound like a reasonable way to proceed. WF?

  • nottrue

    ” I think I will just pocket this. That dumbFuck Miscaviage will never know ” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7186acdbc2f43b07b8a42893bf49fe8fb72d549967055851efffcb35f9115b95.jpg

  • Q. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1cd88ca3149b4aa75e3459a83f09f3ad674756bdb5e9b0a059e6ae856ceb097c.png

    A. hmmm … *thinking* so many choices, but ima go w/ The Mummy feat. Tom Cruise? that’s my final answer.

    • edge

      You mean Tom Cruise couldn’t postulate a hit movie? The Mummy doesn’t even fall into the “critically-acclaimed” category of great movies that nobody sees. It’s just bad all around. Bad reviews, bad box office, and bad gossip. It has been reported in movie circles that TC basically took over the production

  • burythenuts

    Greta Van Sciloon got fired!!!

    • Philbyification

      From what? Squaty Potty?

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Kestrel

      Yiannopoulos destroyed his credibility months ago. Good choice hitching your wagon to that horse, Ms. Villa.

    • Philbyification

      Pfffffft

    • MrsLurksALot

      She makes my head explode.

    • Observer

      Ugh

    • Harpoona Frittata

      She’s expressed her virtues just a little too often already for my tastes. Personally, I like her earlier stoner girl period pics, they’re HOT!

      $cilons gravitate to repubs, both for their shared affinity for authoritarian control and power hierarchies, and just out of a sense of the need to feel protected…after all, these are the End Times for corporate cherch!

    • salin

      This is the video – that when it came to light got him fired from the far right/provocateur website Brietbart. The further into the video he appears to be an apologist for pedophilia – and claims that his 14 yr old experience with a priest was because *he* (Milo) was the predator. Joy – you are hitching your start to this? Telling. Predatory and opportunistic.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJhHwspZGcg

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Joy: “What are your CRIMES?”
        Milo: “Pedophilia”
        Joy: “FAKE NEWS! You are going to re-tweet me, right?”

        • salin

          Exactly!

    • OTD:OutTheDoor

      Joy, protect families from Co$!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’m torn between being disgusted, and being weirdly proud of her for having more game than I gave her credit for.

      Nah, I take that back. I’m mostly disgusted.

  • WhiteCentauress

    Of all the disturbing things I’ve seen on Twitter today…..this is the most chilling.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2568cacef1a1890380e3f2f9d69e2842ed62cb1d9d500d0b645d53a504d34233.png

    • Observer

      Lucille needs to come back.

    • GfldedKim

      😡.

    • OOkpik

      About time you showed up again. I missed you. 8)

    • Philbyification

      Why is he trolling a park for little girls. Isn’t his wife sick? And Everything and Left out of PARADE mag too!

      • rayne troika sheep troll

        because, seriously… its probably the only place he can find girls who don’t know he’s an “alleged” rapist.
        scumbag POS

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      <—– MISSING LUCILLE.

      • Ella Raitch

        You need to hang out on twitter for Lucille sightings

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Why is he still allowed to walk around free and not chemically castrated?

  • Glen

    ” It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.”

    I understand the anger and betrayal that people feel. I think he has mostly become irrelevant although bolstered by the play we give him. However, my reaction is that I think the underlying abuse and pathology makes his tale primarily a sad and pitiable one.

    And I can not understand, for the life of me, why anyone would post to his blog.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I wonder where Jim & Erika were. The CO$ Stalker Hall of Fame? I think the guy in the photo behind them is crazy clam Christopher Smith, one of the creepy guys who stalked Marty in the Louis Theroux documentary.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8078ebc0cb58f0c4523c9dc66a896930d9be59a98374aaa89d1796f07149e371.png
    https://youtu.be/TrLP-29eTzE

  • TexasBroad

    I’m embarrassed to admit how many times I enjoyed watching Chris’ video today.
    Attached is a pic of the lobby cow, in case you weren’t the dork that had to take a picture of the lobby cow on the way out the door.
    Last weekend was so much fun…so https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5c2a76bddf0bd721ffe721ead1ecae386d34594376ef36be6c8b4986b22b4eb6.jpg what are we doing THIS weekend??

    • salin

      Forget about this weekend (well not really – cookout Fri night with friends, Farmer’s Market and Breakfast Sat am) – I am still jelli about last weekend – and relishing the pics (and video) that ease my jealousness with vicarious joy.

    • iampissed

      I hit the floor…which is TOTALLY ok. You helped me so much and others who made mention of my fathers passing and my wife’s mothers passing….I wish to thank you all.

      • TexasBroad

        Hugs, iampissed. It was so very good to meet you. I’m so glad you were there and also so glad you are here.

        • iampissed

          Thank you…to a true Broad.

          • TexasBroad

            😉

      • Pia Pill

        Pissed,

        I am so sorry to hear that you have had to deal with the loss of both your parents! My mother, suddenly and unexpectedly, passed away Mar 1996! I had just moved with my job and I usually would speak to her every evening. But the evening before, I had just got my landline in the home and all my moving boxes delivered and dropped off so I gave her the new number and did not think anything about it for the next THREE DAYS because I was whooped and distracted trying to work and set up our home. Back at the CA home front chaos and shock was running supreme; it took my family 3 days to find me (they didn’t know Mom had written down the phone number by the phone). Luckily she was napping when she passed away; the Coroner’s Office refused to sign the death certificate because it was all so sudden. We were told that EVEN if someone was with my Mom at the house when the incident happened, there would have been NOTHING anyone could have done to save her! You see, her left ventrical in her heart collapsed; they told us it was very quick and she would not have known what hit her because she was napping when this happened! At 62 years old, she was so vivacious and energetic it was difficult to keep up with her! That was back in 1996 and I still feel like she was ripped away from me just recently … I did NOT truly understand how selfish of a person I was until the death of my mother …. I cried everyday driving to work and then again driving home; I wore her shoes everyday so that I could feel close to her until they literally fell apart in my hands well over a year later. My sister passed away suddenly and unexpectedly in Apr 2003; I worked overseas at the time and dropped everything to go home for 3 weeks helping my family take care of her estate. I worked nonstop both days and nights taking care of the funeral arrangements, gathering all the paperwork and creating the necessary files for the lawyers, and helping emptying her home and place the stuff in storage …. I worked hard to ensure my Father didn’t have that much to take care of after I left to go back to work! Each loss has been difficult but the loss of a loving parent can cut you off at the knees sort of speak (I STILL very much miss my mother and sister)! I am not sure when you lost your parents but I am sending warm thoughts your way and several cyber ((((((((hugs)))))))) to boot. My thoughts and prayers are with you. V/R Pia

        • Phoebequeen

          Awww, such a sad story. I am glad she went in her sleep but that was way too young. I think that is one of life’s cruel lessons that we don’t appreciate what we have until it is lost. You did the best you could with your sisters passing and helped out so much. That is what your mom probably wished for you the most.

    • PattyCakenfeld
      • TexasBroad

        Thank you. I feel bad for tipping the cow. 🙂

        • Puget Buckeye

          LOL

  • BuberZionist

    One of the dumbest complaints Rathbun makes is that Leah Remini wouldn’t appear in Going Clear unless she was paid, while he, Rathbun, appears for free.

    Leah Remini is a professional actress, with an agent, a publicist, a SAG card, fame and hit TV shows.

    Marty Rathbun is not an actor at all.

    As a professional Leah Remini has far more reason to require payment for her appearances than Marty Rathbun. Bear in mind that HBO is a profit-making venture and that Going Clear was an HBO project. I hardly find it unusual that a professional actress would expect to be paid for her participation.

    • chukicita

      Wouldn’t the SAG card *require* her to be paid?

    • PattyCakenfeld

      I chalk that up to JARL. From all that we’ve seen of her, Leah would absolutely have participated without asking to be paid.

      Just Another Rathbun Lie

      • BuberZionist

        JARL is the most likely explanation.

        But it would’ve been OK for professional actress Leah to have required payment. She depends on getting paid to support her lifestyle and family. HBO is not a charity and Going Clear was not a charitable event. There was nothing improper about a professional actress who gets paid to be on TV wanting to get paid to be on TV.

  • Liberated

    I just had the best idea in the world !

    What do you think about sending our howdycon banner to Clay Irwin – and he can put it on display at his bar ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f8d064aecdc3809c83035ae1bf7b893dd0f114840d8696f70aafe61b2126d7e4.jpg

    • Supper Powers

      Love this.

    • Philbyification

      Is Bruno in it?

      • Liberated

        Not sure who Bruno is.

        The list is compiled from “top commenters” – click underground bunker beside 1116 comments – it will say latest discussions and top commenters, Dice included as many people as he could.

        • Supper Powers

          Oh. My. God. YOU DONT KNOW WHO BRUNO IS?!?
          That’s Clay’s little dog. He became the mascot here for a week or so.

          • Liberated

            Oh yeah….I forgot !
            Little slow on the uptake these days….I love that dog, I even nominated him for MVP.

        • rayne troika sheep troll

          << starts posting like mad so i make next years cut… 😛

        • Philbyification

          lol It’s Clay Irwin’s Dog. The camera hunter!

      • Sherbet

        He doesn’t post much.

    • Sherbet

      Some people have their real photos for avatars. Not sure how they’d feel about having them in a public place. I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade. I’m a green alien, so it doesn’t matter to me.

      • Jimmy3

        I had to change my real face avi for similar reasons. My picture was on the wall in certain establishments

        • Sherbet

          Oh, yeah, at the Post Office. I saw it and drew a mustache and beard on it so nobody would recognize you.

          • Jimmy3

            This leprechaun thanks you

      • Supper Powers

        *whispers*
        This is public space.
        *squinty questiony face*

        • Sherbet

          I know. But somehow it seems different to me.

          • Supper Powers

            I’m smelling what you’re stepping in.

            • Sherbet

              I don’t get it, but if it would be helpful, I’ll mind my own business on the subject now.

            • Supper Powers

              It just means I hear you and understand your point of view.

            • Sherbet

              Oh. I thought you were saying I, personally, was full of, you know. 😀

            • Supper Powers

              No!!! Kind of like, “I’m picking up what you’re putting down”.

              A friend says the first phrase all the time and it amuses me.

            • Sherbet

              Sniff, sniff…got it!

            • Jimmy3

              SUPPER VS DESSERT
              FOOD FOIGHT

            • Sherbet

              Nah.

            • Jimmy3

              dammit.

            • Sherbet

              I know. You were all excited at the prospect.

            • Jimmy3

              Haven’t had a good chick fight in a while

            • Sherbet

              Watch some old “Dynasty” reruns. Padded shoulders, teased hair, and fake fingernails.

            • Jimmy3

              Last good fight I witnessed was only verbal, and I only caught the tail end of it, but I loved the dialogue. ANd I’m not making this up, this was in a store parking lot:

              “YOURE THE ONE SHOUTING AT ME IN A F****N PARKING LOT”

              “DONT CALL ME A B**** IF YOU DONT WANT ME TO SAY ANYTHING BACK TO YOU”

              “I CALLED YOU A B**** CUZ YOU CALLED ME A C***”

              “YOU WERE ACTING LIKE A C***”

            • Sherbet

              I don’t know if that’s funny or sad. I’m going to go with funny since you don’t mention any bodily injury.

            • Jimmy3

              They were both very embarrassed when other people got involved to settle them down
              Turns out it wasn’t the first time they’ve met and they have a bad history. Small town problems

            • Sherbet

              I’m glad it didn’t happen at HowdyCon.

            • Jimmy3

              It was Kim yelling at a bag of weed

            • Sherbet

              I’m no Narconon expert, but if someone is having a two-way conversation with a bag of weed, it’s time to cut back.

            • Jimmy3

              Fundraiser time

            • Puget Buckeye

              Did one say the other one was a bigot? Or call them glib? That childish argument sounds familiar.

      • I’m up for it!

      • Mooser42001

        I have been noticing something strange: a profusion of copyrighted images being used as system-assigned Gravatars. In particular, an image of “Laura Palmer” from Twin Peaks.

    • salin

      I would contribute to the cost, (production and shipping), but first would want a statement from him that he would be willing to post something so controversial (in the neighborhood of his bar). Love the idea, but recognize that he has a challenging context: Does being confrontational with CO$ in downtown Clearwater increase or decrease business?

      • Liberated

        I know it’s a long shot – I mainly said it cause it thought it was funny.
        The idea takes too many liberties and we would have to have everyone’s permission including Mr. Irwin’s – but wouldn’t it be great ?

        • salin

          Yes – it would be awesome. My first reaction – was a chuckle. That’s why I said (before my caveats) that I would donate to make it happen. I think I have been remiss that I haven’t told you that I also think *you* are awesome. Am glad that we have crossed paths here at the UB.

          • Liberated

            Back at ya sister.:-)

    • Phoebequeen

      Ooooh , I see me! It’s like where’s Waldo?

    • OOkpik

      How about having Dice print it in a smaller size, say, 20×24, and offering them for sale to the Bunker?

      • Puget Buckeye

        You know, I think I’d buy one even though I’m not on there. I think it’s a great way to commemorate HowdyCon. And I was sort of a part of it, if only on the fringe. (And who knows? It could be a collectable someday. When the abuses of Scientology are no more.)

      • Liberated

        You can do that right now. I have a 12″x18″ on my closet door.
        You’ll have to find Dice’s earlier post where he posted the download info.
        Get a Vistaprint.com account and get either a banner or poster.

        The one for HC was a banner 2.5×4′ in vinyl – Dice ordered a poster (paper)
        I’m gonna ask my son to print out some for free at his job – he did the 1st rough draft, but the size was weird.

        I did a smaller one at Staples, but the reason I ordered Vistaprint is cause they mailed directly to Kim. If I can have smaller ones printed up, I would be happy to mail you one – but that would mean giving me your mailing address, and I understand why you might not want to.

        Giving out smaller bunker posters was part of our original plan – but didn’t get them done in time.
        I’ll keep you in mind when I have more info.

        • OOkpik

          Nice!
          I would be delighted to have one.
          Thank you for the work you have done and are doing to make these available. You Bunker buddies really are a special bunch.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Media Lush’s avatar with a testicle-headed Tom Cruise might make some patrons lose their appetites! :O

    • Rasha

      Can we get a web-based version, with name pop-ups when you hover over them (SWIDT?)

    • Rasha

      I do agree though. That’s a brilliant idea!

  • Jimmy3

    Oh thank God… she wasnt set on fire, as reported earlier. She was just fired from her job. Whatever that was.

    Carry on.

    • Phoebequeen

      hehehe

  • MostEthicalPimp

    If Rathbun was genuine in what he was saying and doing. He’d call Leah up on the phone and get a sit down interview with her and discuss it with her on camera. But since he’s now just another one of DM’s paid puppets he wouldn’t dare have a live discussion with Leah or anyone with the ability to point out in real time just how much crap he’s spewing.

  • salin

    Reminder to click the recommend (upper left from the dialogue box) to upvote our Proprietor’s daily edition and the ensuing comments/conversations. Sitting at 133 – surely this is a more than 150 upvote day.

    As a reminder I am sharing some real life space opera as it manifests itself in magnificent skyscapes from Flagstaff Arizona on June 25th.: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=136568&PHPSESSID=81n1pfijvaipqfbfqjt0341713

    • rayne troika sheep troll

      wow… never knew what that was.. will be sure to click it…
      thanks.

    • Puget Buckeye

      Thanks for the reminder.
      PS I like the picture of the moon.

  • Observer
    • Sherbet

      Look at the beautiful and unusual markings on that cat. Wow.

    • salin

      Captain Kitteh!

    • Phoebequeen

      I can do that . In heels. Kitten heels.

    • JaxNGold

      Oh, wow. That sweet kitty looks so much like my Sophia who passed away in 2013. Very similar markings.

    • Liberated

      I hope Dice sees this….I know he would have Meme go for a ride.

      • Sherbet

        Meme would want to do the driving.

  • Phoebequeen

    Great points from Steve Cannane. I wonder if we will ever know why the switch flipped with Marty? It is an interesting question.
    Haven’t scrolled down yet, but saw where Greta Van Susteren is out from her short lived show on MSNBC. I would like to think I had something to do with that as when 6:00 pm came around, I would find the remote and change over to CNN or reruns of Gilmore Girls.

  • This is (mostly) true – [phone rings, call from known Scientologist, wogass friend sees name come up on phone …]

    Friend: why are they calling you? Do they need help hooking up that, uh, what’s that thing called?

    Me: e-meter

    Friend: ya, what does the “e” mean?

    Me: electrolytes

    Friend: why?

    Me: it’s what plants crave

    [lots of chuckles, lots of wonderment]

    Me: *google-fu* here, take a look at this pic of LRH and a tomato

    Friend: … [mind.blown.]

    Me: naw, I’m just forking w/ you, but please, have a seat …

    • Supper Powers

      The recreational kind is legal there now, huh? 🙂

      Hi Ducky!

      • It is. I’m not even on it. That’s a whole other level for me and I won’t subject any of you to that.

        Hi Supp!

    • Liberated

      Wogass….I love it !

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Eternal upvotes for quoting Idiocracy–one of the most prescient pieces of cinema to have ever been created.

      • Elegant Mess

        Who knew it would happen so quickly?

    • Puget Buckeye

      I never really did understand, what was the point he was making with the tomato? Was he trying to audit it? Can a tomato have past crimes? Overts and Withholds? Think bad thoughts about Scientology? WTH?!?

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thanks Jeff and Aaron. Terrific podcast.
    Love the Tommy Davis bit especially.
    So amusing Tommy calling someone else a “fucking lunatic” while he himself is having a screaming ragey tantrum.
    That will never cease to be funny.

    • rayne troika sheep troll

      i know, right?

      • beauty for ashes

        upvoting your name!

        • rayne troika sheep troll

          giggle

    • Elegant Mess

      Ha! I STILL quote him, to this day! “I’m angry, real angry…”
      Best PR ever.

    • J. Swift

      So amusing Tommy calling someone else a “fucking lunatic” when he is having a screaming ragey tantrum. That will never cease to be funny.

      True. And what makes it even more deluxe is that I was able to quote Tommy Davis’ screaming ragey tantrum to make my point. I miss Tommy Davis being Scientology’s spokesman. We should start a “Bring Back Tommy” movement.

      • Elegant Mess

        Something like this? Much more sophisticated, though. Can’t disappoint Mr. Davis. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9fa1683a7d9fae0f36b2ffc9dfe5b8f3abfe3bbcc694b970a69af48751e5e668.jpg

      • TheMirrorThetan

        It made your point perfectly.

        Making my Bring Back Tommy! placards right now. 🙂

      • beauty for ashes

        Let’s all sing!
        ” Bring back, bring back,
        Bring back my Tommy to me, to meeee!
        Bring back, bring back,
        Bring back my Tommy to me!!!!”

      • Juicer77

        That sudden Tone40 of Tommy’s is pretty laughable. I can just imagine Missmanage coaching him – minutely and for DAYS – exactly how to do it.

        • pluvo

          It’s actually 1.5 on the tone scale (anger) which is just above 1.1 (covert hostility). As per Hubbard to be just above another’s “tone” is to control the person and be at cause over him. All reporters are considered 1.1 – Hubbard said so.
          I’m sure Tommy did drill this extensively. Tone scale drills are used for auditors and are standard and it is also drilled on the PTS/SP course. And certainly OSA drills them with the TRs and TR-L (TR-lie). So Tommy was very purposely angry and it was part of the ops.

  • beauty for ashes

    What I really want to know is how many people hit on Steve Cannane at HowdyCon?

    • Elegant Mess

      I know I would’ve.

      • beauty for ashes

        Iknowright?

    • Jimmy3

      He’s still gettin action from American Idol yo

      • beauty for ashes

        Was he on American Idol?

        • Jimmy3

          He was the host

          • beauty for ashes

            No shit. He sure grew

          • EmmaDaoust

            I thought that was Australia’s Got The Biggest Voice Talent.

            • beauty for ashes

              Who are the judges on that?

            • EmmaDaoust

              A kangaroo, a sheep, and a drop bear.

            • beauty for ashes

              And the guy who played Crocodile Dundee.

            • Puget Buckeye

              With a REAL knife!

            • beauty for ashes

              Don’t do the quote Beauty, don’t do the quote……aaaaagggghhhh.

            • EmmaDaoust

              What quote?

              bah hahahaha!

            • beauty for ashes

              Half my brain is movie quotes, and the other half beauty tips. **cries into her silk pillowcase as to not cause wrinkles** (I kid~ can’t afford that!)

      • Puget Buckeye

        Jimmy, isn’t it past your bedtime?

        • beauty for ashes

          Yes, and I believe someone has fed him, and gotten him wet so we are all screwed.

          • Puget Buckeye

            Aw hell! Past the point of no return. Crap. That means he’s just gettin’ warmed up.

            • beauty for ashes

              Watch your back Pug……

            • Puget Buckeye

              Don’t let the peace sign fool you.

            • beauty for ashes

              **hearty wheezy laugh**

    • TexasBroad

      Happily married, so I did not. But I do want to say that, in addition to being handsome, he is witty, intelligent, charming, funny, and very, very sweet.
      I didn’t hit on him, but I did eat him up with a spoon.

      • beauty for ashes

        Like a very small spoon that you sometimes get with crème brulée, so you can savor each small mouthful of deliciousness? 😉

        • Puget Buckeye

          OK OK OK I can’t take any more. I have to go to bed now. But trust me, I think dreams will be …. interesting. Nighty night.

          • beauty for ashes

            night night puggie!!!

      • EmmaDaoust

        He is a really nice guy.

      • Robert Eckert

        I got two long talks with him. Had to move away the second time so as not to monopolize him. The problem with a gathering like Howdycon is that you never get as much time as you’d like to talk to all the people you want to talk to, but I was glad to meet Steve.

        • Jimmy3

          Was you like, “ECKERT OUT!”

        • Kestrel

          Unfortunately for you, we had an overly long talk. I enjoyed your company on the trip to the Arsenal.

          • Robert Eckert

            And I enjoyed yours. I see you got buttonholed by Chris Shelton, one of those I didn’t get to say more than Hi to, although I got him for a while in Cleveland.

    • Liberated

      I wasn’t there, but a girl can dream.

    • Harmless Weirdo

      Haha–I wasn’t there, but if I had been…

      I probably would have reminded myself that going after cute guys these days is like a dog chasing a car. And what’s a dog going to do with a car when it actually catches one?

      • Interested2

        I hear you….

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Great Van Susteren out at MSNBC. Makes me wonder if the coming shitstorm of Season Two and the other as yet unrevealed tsunamis would taint MSNBC if GVS remained on board.

    If they have any inkling of what is coming and that GVS has run interference for COS for decades, they know she will be implicated.

    She’s become unemployable. Solely and only because she is in the employ of Scientology and has done invidious service for them.

    • Glen

      I don’t really attribute Van Susterens’s ouster at all to $ci. (although it couldn’t help). To me, a more likely explanation is her low ratings on a surging network. I think that her history at Fox News and her defense of Ailes were too much to overcome in attracting an audience that skews to the political left.

      • Liberated

        I didn’t know she defended Ailes.

        • Glen

          She did when the first reports of his sexual harassment came to light. She later apologized. But I think the association with Fox News was very damaging when trying to start a show and build an audience at MSNBC, a liberal bastion.

    • Baby

      Michael I am surprised how many people in the Real World know that Van Susteren is a Scientologist.
      I have read many comments on gossip sites that indicate that ( Radar online for one)

      So glad to see you again at HC… You always bring joy to my heart..

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thanks Chris. That was a great video about HowdyCon. Love the poster at the end.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Graham

      “But it sure is a blow to Leah’s show”. Yeah, Morty rambling on a second-rate hate site is sure to have Leah worried.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I’m trying to remember if there is anything he says against the CO$ in the videos that the CO$ wouldn’t want a clam to hear. I can’t think of anything and I’m not going to re-watch them but apparently not or the CO$ wouldn’t post them where clams would see them. Why would they be so sanitized unless they were produced just for this purpose? No wonder he’s clutching that script in all of them. He takes a big dump on his friends for no reason other than to please the CO$. What a RAT. Good riddance to bad rubbish – the CO$ can have him back.

    • Draco

      Haha. A blow to Leah’s show. That’s funny.

      • ReneeG

        Yeah, she’s going to lose that MASSIVE Scientologist viewer base

    • OOkpik

      edited
      SMH

    • Juicer77

      I’ve been wondering what the public $ci reaction would be to this… Stay tuned!
      ETA: it will also be interesting to see what the Co$ says to public $cis about Marty. Undoubtedly there will be chatter that gets out.

    • That last comment is significant. Inside the bubble, people really think that Marty really is making a difference, when in fact nobody out here even knows who he is.

      However, they think this it is so and that is what is keeping them from taking critical material seriously, so from Miscavige’s point of view, it’s working,

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    I’m so glad I don’t read MA-Erty’s strange blog. I’m even more glad I did OT OUT and am Scientology Free, you can do it, too!

  • richelieu jr

    In/re Mr X, Fletcher Prouty:

    “Prout” means “Fart” in French, so he is ‘Mr Farty’, which might go quite a way towards explaining the odor of “sheep ‘dipping'” surrounding all his Scilon-excusing nonsense….

  • Sissy Borba

    I don’t know if you have noticed that Marty’s NEW videos are being ADVERTISED on YOUTUBE.
    I found that very interesting.

    These ADS have to be paid for. By whom?

  • KaseyS

    Marty is now distributing his videos as youtube adverts. I saw one yesterday when watching a not scientology related video. I wonder where is he getting the funds from for this campaign and who is he targeting with the ads…

  • MaxSpaceman

    The taking apart of Rathbun’s sanctimonious video of smugness beingness havingness doingness Marty style

    by Steve must’ve been terrific to see/hear in person.

    Marty Mark appears small, insignificant, ineffective and lame.

    Thanking Steve for the detailed critical thinking.